🧠｜serious-chat

[red fulcrum]

There's nothing beyond Ishwar

[thorny steeple]

That's what I'm talking about

[red fulcrum]

so you can call all major 5 Gods Ishwar tatwa(Ishwar elements)

[thorny steeple]

We may refer it as the universal power

[red fulcrum]

yes people see it in different ways

[thorny steeple]

Every religion at its core follow this that there is some universal power which rules over us

But people use religion as a weapon to radicalize and use communal politics.

[red fulcrum]

before there were different religions too

but they coexisted @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Yep, but I'm talking about the present

[red fulcrum]

According to my research the history of Sanatan Dharma is at least over 500 BCE

5000* BCE

[slender coral]

Hey @feral river, what are your religious beliefs?

[red fulcrum]

years

[thorny steeple]

Nope

There is no start of Sanatan Dharma

There is no end to it

[feral river]

flexible or Atheism/Judaism

[red fulcrum]

present is joke really, most forgot their own culture and dharma blinded by other's culture and outer fancy things

[thorny steeple]

Flexible. That's a great term you used lmao

[thorny steeple]

Agreed.

[red fulcrum]

They say people still follow it like 1.4 billion or smth, I don't agree

hardly few lakhs people actually know the real Sanatan Dharma

[thorny steeple]

Nah, people are leaving their religious beliefs and copying the west

[red fulcrum]

yes

[slender coral]

Oh, a Chinese with Jewish beliefs, this is the first time I encounter something like that. But what do you mean by atheism/Judaism?

[red fulcrum]

agreed, i was speaking about archeological proofs

[feral river]

basically I believe in things under observation in science rules or materialism that means I don't actually believe in things that out of the natural rules, but religion is a tool that used for establish rule and social order which it can represent your stance on specific matters so I would be flexible on it.

[thorny steeple]

Ah, I see.

[red fulcrum]

yes

there are logical ways to prove existence of God

I can prove, but will the world believe even if I give a logical proof

today's humans are so rational and biased that even if you feed them truth with all the proofs yet they'd reject it

and try to prove it wrong with illogical arguments

[thorny steeple]

Agreed.

[red fulcrum]

I've wasted a lot of time with such people 😂

during my initial days

[thorny steeple]

It's better not to argue with such people

[red fulcrum]

yes

[thorny steeple]

They've preconceived notions in their minds and won't listen to the argument you present.

[prisma cipher]

Yes yes

[red fulcrum]

yes

[feral river]

if you ask me is god exist ? I will say no, but do you believe in god ? I would say yes

[sage jay]

Guys do you wanna talk about bera?

[slender coral]

What's that?

[sage jay]

The British educational research association

[feral river]

it doesn't exist in real world or currently not under the observation by science rules but it can be exist as a social factor that you just need to say you believe in god

[prisma cipher]

Sounds controversal

[feral river]

I don't think it's necessary to be faith with a social factor

just like my profile

[ashen mortar]

yooo

[slender coral]

Hello

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-car-explode-cat-boom-bah-gif-5387928273689188008

[sage jay]

The purpose of the British Educational Research Association (BERA) is to promote and support high-quality educational research and to ensure that this research informs policy and practice. Specifically, BERA aims to:

1. Advance Educational Research: BERA fosters the production of high-quality research that can contribute to understanding and improving educational practices.

2. Inform Policy and Practice: By promoting the use of evidence-based research, BERA helps shape educational policies and practices in the UK and internationally.

3. Support Research Community: BERA provides platforms for researchers to share knowledge, collaborate, and advance their careers. This includes offering funding opportunities, fellowships, and organizing events such as conferences and workshops.

4. Ethical Standards: BERA promotes ethical guidelines to ensure the responsible conduct of research in education.

Through its journals, conferences, and awards, BERA actively engages with educators, policymakers, and academics to foster dialogue around key educational issues.

[quartz willow]

[ashen mortar]

[manic juniper]

Minecraft and I will convert to Judaism

[dapper laurel]

When is the conversion ceremony?

[rose eagle]

Wtf!!?

[shy summit]

Lmao

[thorny steeple]

Reminder: Kamu is a member of every Jewish server on dc

[rose eagle]

pls become free thinker

[shy summit]

Reject all, embrace Realmatic Theory.

[manic juniper]

It's not about faith, it's about power and advantages

[manic juniper]

3 days or less

[dapper laurel]

I met her again lol

[ashen mortar]

Lmao thats the most western thing i ever heard 💀

[dapper laurel]

Count me in guys, I'll be there

[ashen mortar]

Converting from this regional to that religion 😹

[real monolith]

I thought that you guys were converted already

[shy summit]

VP debate in a nutshell

[manic juniper]

The Helsinki mosque was closed

[real monolith]

Not a synagogue?

[rose eagle]

I still believe in Buddha and sometimes I go to the temple and pagoda to pray and seek peace, but I don't follow Buddhist teachings like being vegetarian, so what should I called? In my profile in section "religion" it says "no".

Free thinker?

[real monolith]

What do you think?

[rose eagle]

idk

[real monolith]

Me neither. You have the choice to decide which path you want to follow.

[manic juniper]

I never prayed although reptiles rewarded me for my servitude

[quartz willow]

[feral river]

State of Israel will take over the world 🇮🇱

world dominance! they need me for more guns, tanks, drones, missiles, and nukes

militarism 1st

there's one solution to sign the peace deal, is hardly hit on the enemy's head and coerce them to sign the deal.

if you don't win on the ground, you won't even be on the table.

尊严只在剑锋之上, 真理只在大炮射程之内

"dignity is only exist on the sharp point of a sword, truth is only exist in the attacking range of a cannon"

[ruby vector]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/king-king-baldwin-king-baldwin-4-rikoamv-riko-amv-gif-8479237540916603760

[ruby vector]

What happened to his left hand ?

Holding the book

[thorny steeple]

note

[ruby vector]

Isn't the bible?

[thorny steeple]

idk

[ruby vector]

Why is he wearing musk
Is he ugly ?

Or someone burnt his face

Oh phak

[hushed bear]

Wassup

[thorny steeple]

Hi let's talk about Hitler

Why he lost world war 2

[ruby vector]

I think with my humble knowledge about him

He was ambitious

[real monolith]

He didn't listen to my advice

[ruby vector]

Willing to gain more areas

Instead of controlling one and working on the others later , no, he thought that he would be able to do more and win

But GOD had another plan

Floop to the 🕳️

[bronze kraken]

You are not in a voice channel

[ruby vector]

What was your advice?

I hope it's not 50-05

[real monolith]

I said that to him that yk power isn’t just about conquest—it’s about connection. What if you instead of trying to dominate through war, you redefined Germany’s strength by leading with compassion? Think about it: Germany could become a beacon of hope by uniting people through humanitarian efforts, art, and innovation. Imagine where you can use your passion for arts to inspire a new cultural movement that promotes peace. But, that dumbass didn't even give a shit

[onyx hazel]

who cares wtf

[real monolith]

What if it's 100😈

[thorny steeple]

Agreed! All Brazilians stand for Israel right now. A Shabbat Shalom to all my fellow Jewish friends. 🇮🇱🤝🇧🇷

Lula said he will fund the 3rd temple when the Gaza War will end

[ruby vector]

😂😂😂😂😂

I wasn't expecting that much stupidity on discord more than twitter

[thorny steeple]

Guys can we talk about love and how to treat woman right

As a new guy will engage

[thorny steeple]

How to treat woman good

Should I buy alot of food

Do they like food

I'm ready to buy two kilos of shrimps

I'll give her ice cream , cheesecake, milkshake , rice with shrimps and shrimps's soup

[coral urchin]

An Error Occurred

An error occurred while processing your command. Please report this in my support server.

[feral river]

you can not to care, survival for the fittest

[coral urchin]

An Error Occurred

An error occurred while processing your command. Please report this in my support server.

[thorny steeple]

Yes let's survive I'll make sandwiches

Survive from death by eating

[uncut tiger]

The nitrogen in your DNA, the iron in your blood, the carbon in your food, was all forged in the heart of a dying star. The cosmos are within us, creating a way for the universe to know itself.

[thorny steeple]

After 8 months of engaging and we supposed to marry in one week

[ruby vector]

Keep boys away
Girls will be good enough

[ruby vector]

[onyx hazel]

no, not me, I'm Brazilian

[thorny steeple]

hello

Sup

Gtk

what's that?

Do you also have a new date?

interesting

Iudaeourum

Let's put religion aside

of what?

of jewish ppl

yeah?

nvm

So what are the Jewish?

The Chosen Ones (according to what your religion says)

Wdym?

Those who were recruited?

But u believe in God

got ya

okey let's put religion aside

how did u get there btw, I mean, was your grandfather born in Israel?

where's that

italy?

So Israel is not your mother country

Settlers only *

In fact, even if you are religious, your religion prohibits the establishment of a state

Nvm, what i want to know is he's not a israeli

They are religious arent they? They know religion more than you

It was built to stop the Islamic advance

right?

So why did they choose Palestine?

But you used to live in peace with other religions and beliefs, not like now

[hybrid siren]

wdym? there was no such thing as palestinian state in the first place.

[thorny steeple]

Many empires passed through it It is not just Palestine, and the land cannot be owned for an ethnic motive. Everyone has the right to live. Christians can return and say that this is the land of our ancestors as well, as you say.

Ottoman Empire?*

But Palestine was an Ottoman country

I know exactly what you're saying, but understand what I mean. The Romans can return, the Greeks, the Turks, the British...

[crisp swan]

messi or ronaldo

[thorny steeple]

All of these empires were under the Christian religion, weren't they? They ruled Palestine

Are you evading?

nvm, But they can say that this is our land

There are no indigenous inhabitants of this area

[dapper laurel]

Hellenism literally ruined Rome, along with Christianity, what a shame

[thorny steeple]

The Israelites came from Jacob, right?

answer

[dapper laurel]

Are you discussing the origins of the Jewish people or what?

[thorny steeple]

So the Arabs have the right to say that this is our region because they are cousins

But you said that the Jews are the indigenous people, and I am talking about race, not religion

But you are cousins

[dapper laurel]

Jews are indigenous to Israel, and lived there long before the Arabs

They just migrated to Europe after the Jerusalem distribution and then returned

[thorny steeple]

I believe that they appeared at the same time, and the evidence for this is their saying that the Jews are cousins ​​of the Arabs

[dapper laurel]

If the Arabs cannot accept simple migrations, well, I don't know what to say

[dapper laurel]

There are relationships, look at the haplogroups, they have a common lineage, but the Jews lived before the Arabs in the region of Israel

[dapper laurel]

Literally, Palestinians are called Arabs because they are originally from the Arabian Peninsula, not the Levant

[thorny steeple]

nvm

But what confuses me is why the genocide and racism against Palestine

Although Israel is the only democratic country in the Middle East

[dapper laurel]

Well, this is clearly wrong and not to be supported. I am for a binational state in Palestine

The genocide began in recent times

[thorny steeple]

u killed 40000 They are all innocent, with only a few Hamas fighters

[dapper laurel]

What about Gaza? Isn't it a genocide or an ethnic cleansing operation? It clearly is, and soon the Israelis will create more colony cities

[thorny steeple]

You now admit that you are committing genocide

there's a genocide

The whole world knows this except the Israelis

[dapper laurel]

It is a poor land with no prospects for development, but now that your population is approaching 10 million, it is in your interest to occupy it

Is it fair that they can't feed themselves because you're blocking supplies?

It simply cannot be true, you are bombing their soil, supplies cannot arrive if you also bomb the infrastructure

Yes?

Even a war crime I would say

If they hadn't managed to defeat them, maybe yes, certainly 600,000 people are not few, and those are only civilians

Bcs Europe is a Us puppet, no point doing that in the long term in ww2

It corresponds to what I say

[dapper laurel]

And it also corresponds to what Israel is doing

You have created colonies in the West Bank, you are bombing the Gaza Strip relentlessly, killing civilians every day, what do you think you are doing?

With their crude weapons, how many Israeli victims have the Palestinians caused, with "bombings"? How many have you caused instead?

You have one of the most sophisticated air defense systems in the world, what would be the danger for you?

What do the Palestinians have instead?

And you are doing the same thing with Lebanon, this is imperialism

So? The death toll is clearly disproportionate

But you bombed their capital, Beirut

[dapper laurel]

And you have caused about a million displaced people

Definitely not

[dapper laurel]

I would be happy if no one died unjustly

[thorny steeple]

You killed a few Lebanese through raids

[dapper laurel]

If Israel did not occupy the West Bank with its settlements, this probably would not happen, don't you think?

[thorny steeple]

I agree with you

Palestinians

[dapper laurel]

According to the treaties, the West Bank is the territory of the Palestinian National Authority

[dapper laurel]

Ty

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank#:~:text=From 1967 to 1983%2C Israel,three-quarters of the territory.

Bro, defending Israel is like defending Nazi Germany, it is not possible

It's an occupation, those are not the real borders

It's Poland bro, it can be Poland

There are few Germans there now

It was legal at least, your occupation is illegal

The green area is the Palestinian territories, you are occupying them, this is illegal, it is not difficult to understand

[thorny steeple]

He will tell you that it is the land of our ancestors and we must restore it

[dapper laurel]

In a defensive war the defender conquers territory???? Lol, that's absurd

[dapper laurel]

Lel

[thorny steeple]

Before the arrival of Ben-Gurion*

before jews?

[dapper laurel]

The caliphates were Arab lol

[thorny steeple]

before jews again?

Do you believe in Adam and Eve?

[dapper laurel]

The Arabs have been living in those lands for more than a thousand years, so you cannot expect to chase them away

[thorny steeple]

great

[woven saffron]

Who are they?

[dapper laurel]

There are one million displaced people in Gaza

[thorny steeple]

Then you displace them to Gaza

[dapper laurel]

Have you ever wondered why they did it?

They have been assimilated

That's not a valid answer, there are always cause and effect conditions, and Hamas is an effect of what you did to them in the past

Lol, south Africa 2.0

[thorny steeple]

Good night people who speak about politics things that let us go to jail

[dapper laurel]

But you live segregated

It's social segregation

But it's segregation

Why would an Arab choose to live in a city with a Jewish majority? He could be discriminated against, this is social segregation

They would live an unhappy life

You can't perceive discrimination because you are Jewish, you're the majority

I can't, because I'm talking to you about social discrimination, not legislative discrimination

It seems like a silly statement, If social segregation and discrimination is present everywhere, it does not mean that it is justified

In reality, the phenomenon is amplified in your country

Should I trust?

[dapper solar]

what the fuck is up 🗣️

[feral river]

nice to be an Israeli

[dapper laurel]

A parallel could be drawn with American society, black Americans are discriminated against by whites because they are a minority and live in black neighborhoods, attend low-level schools, etc. It's social segregation, and if it happens in the Us, why not in israel?

[dapper laurel]

And the social situation in Israel is even worse

I'm talking about a statistical average

[feral river]

I don't think it's pretty worse to live in an ethnic state

the multi-cultural things literally ruin the state order

[dapper laurel]

You're jew, you can't notice this

As I said before

[feral river]

if they stand with their enemy against their Jewish state what do you think on what do they deserve besides discrimination

if you are in China or Russia you might be wiped out very fast and soon

or in the US like during the cold war how they gonna deal with the red threat of the Soviet Union ?

I think those people is not just being discriminated in here they will be wiped out

you may never see them again

no I'm not talking about Israel but other places like my home China

if you support separatism, terrorism you will be wiped out very soon

[dapper laurel]

You are half Jewish, it's not a problem, especially if your faith is Judaism

[feral river]

we are totally zero tolerance to anti-state power

not only like this but it's a national security issue if a bunch of people could have a chance to against state, spread propaganda and disrupt the social order they will collapse the state.

[lavish creek]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_salami_slicing_strategy

Actually it's present.

[feral river]

the truth is, there's no anyone able to cast off all the source of propaganda to defend themselves, once they got sick by those news which spreaded by certain propagandists, state got sick too

what we are doing is practicing our national sovereignty integration on press to ensure we all live in a prosperity society with order

[lavish creek]

https://en.idi.org.il/publications/6759

[thorny steeple]

yeah ! but if u were arab and go to jewish villlage u wont get anything .

[feral river]

I don't think there's no discrimination in everywhere, everywhere has discrimination but based on different degrees, I think Israel is okay

[dapper laurel]

But you may have participated in Jewish rites or customs, you just chose not to believe, as many "Christians" do in Europe

[lavish creek]

Well the point was about discrimination down on the earth, isn't ?

Not that Israel is doing nothing

[feral river]

well that's pretty normal in a society

[lavish creek]

Common ≠ normal + gradation is important

[feral river]

when you go out, see there's a guy talking shit on the street you can't even notice your discrimination uprise from sigh, leave me alone

that's just too damn normal, the thing that not unusual is discrimination by generalizing a group of people

for example race

[lavish creek]

Ig Russian should have said the same to Jews during pogroms

And Germans in 30s

[feral river]

well first Israel is an ethnic state, which is a not a diverse shit

second, that ain't bad as what they think

[lavish creek]

Well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_controversy

[feral river]

if there's a general discrimination happening right now it wouldn't be like this

[feral river]

that's not arabs I guess

that's illegal immigrant with suspected terrorist supporters without Israeli citizenship

that's totally out of the Israeli arabs

[lavish creek]

So, the pale of settlement and Nuremberg Laws were fine ?

[feral river]

also we are zero-tolerance towards illegals too

some people flee from North Korea into China we will just send them back

[lavish creek]

I'm not saying that it's the same lil boi. It's about discrimination common = discrimination normal

[dapper laurel]

This is irrelevant, you are part of their culture and it is difficult for you to be discriminated against

[prisma cipher]

She moved several times in Ukraine, escaping from the war, but in 2024 the war caught up with her in Israel

[feral river]

well it exists for some unsettled refugees in west bank

what's the time to grant them citizenships or let them out of that place ?

[lavish creek]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duma_arson_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_murder_of_Mohammed_Abu_Khdeir

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Natan-Zada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Goldstein

To this

You aren't able to read I see

[prisma cipher]

It's his usually strategy u put a lot info to read

[feral river]

not on status

I would discriminate a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizers

[lavish creek]

I already dropped the link where officials admit that "discrimination is common"

[feral river]

I support the case that Trump always said "I'm gonna bomb the shit out of this place"

[lavish creek]

Graduation is important, once again

Nothing, just don't mislead ppl

No, I just prefer to bring facts instead of personal experience and photos

It was meant to debunk your point. There are way more actually, these which I remember and know .

And there was a government link actually

Yeap

[dapper laurel]

@lavish creek bro, how are you btw?

[lavish creek]

Which means that your point is absolutely garbage

Yeap

I actually said that here a few weeks ago

[lavish creek]

:))))

Stop sharing your smart Ideas and bring shame to our ppl

[lavish creek]

I'm fine, let me finish this and we can play

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, but just a 5 minute match, I'm way too tired

[feral river]

no idea just go on, my opinion is clear that everywhere has discrimination and the conflict between Israelis and arabs is not as significant as what somewhere do have systematically discrminate a group of people

yeah China mainland

[manic juniper]

שֵׁשׁ עֶשׂרֵה

[feral river]

that means what

[manic juniper]

I don't know, I don't speak Hebrew

[feral river]

I can read a little bit Hebrew lol

[manic juniper]

I only know few words now

[manic juniper]

Easy compared to Chinese?

[feral river]

well... idk because I'm a native Chinese

but difficulty ofc it's damn hard for you to learn Chinese instead of Hebrew

[lavish creek]

We can play next time then I actually have a book to finish

[feral river]

I just don't get it why is Hebrew reading from the right to left ?

if you want lol I'm the most Chinese person in here I believe

there's no anyone more Chinese than me

[lavish creek]

Read and maybe that would

You can be Kabilian, but Bourdieu would know more about you and your ppl that you do

You yourself admitted how that there is no peaceful coexistence

.

[feral river]

well anyway you guys doing a good job for anti-terrorism that's why I'm interested in State of Israel

and It's getting fascinating to learn a religion which is Judaism anyway

[lavish creek]

Which once again :)))

[feral river]

if I got a chance I would like to convert to a Jew (if possible)

like at least a year or 2 years for reform Judaism

orthodox even more strictive

that's the only way for non-jews attempt to obtain the Israeli citizenship asap

gotta be hired at the first place then stay

and do the paperwork, study some hebrew well i think Israelis can't speak english

that's a little bit overwhelming

yeah Israel is a developed economy that you can earn a lot like in Europe and America

anyway here's pretty late i gonna sleep now

have fun my Israeli friend @ancient ruin

peace upon Israel 🇮🇱

[thorny steeple]

wsg yall

[edgy shard]

Hi everyone 👋

[shy marsh]

hi

[manic juniper]

I can say only few words like a Pokémon

[eager cargo]

#free Palestine

Are u humans!where's ur humanity

[umbral roost]

Hello

Everyone

Nice to meet you and I hope you are doing well.

[eager cargo]

The animals are more educated then u

Than*

[manic juniper]

Free Western Sahara 🇪🇭

[dense agate]

not the Western Sahara flag lel

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/polisario-vencera-sahara-occidental-sahara-libre-الصحراءالغربية-rasd-gif-21603883

[dense agate]

you 2 are so outdated

this is my take on their borders, it's the only right take

i keep it real

[manic juniper]

It should've been named "Western Western Sahara" and "Eastern Western Sahara"

What does this say

[dense agate]

hahaha true

[manic juniper]

The region where I'm from is called "Pohjois-Pohjanmaa" that means "Northern Northern Land"

This is because there are regions named Northern Land, Central Northern Land and Southern Northern Land

[cinder quartz]

huh

what's the topic

[cinder quartz]

strange sea creatures?

interesting

[manic juniper]

Yes ostracoderms

[cinder quartz]

aw

[dense agate]

i see many regions, even countries with this kind of naming, very silly

[cinder quartz]

Idk what's this but cool

huh

What year is it now according to the Jewish calendar?

[manic juniper]

There is also Finnmark in Norway(Land of the Finnars, an old slur), Sweden has Norbotten and Vasterbotten (northern and western bays respectively)
Finland has Österbotten (eastern bay, it's the Swedish name of Pohjanmaa anyway)

[cinder quartz]

interesting

where does this calendar start?

[dense agate]

i know Norway has Nordland, and Finland got Lapland on the north, which for some reason isn't named after how you guy say north in Finnish

[cinder quartz]

Creation of the earth?

Our Earth is millions of years old

maybe something else is meant

[dense agate]

billions'

[cinder quartz]

even better

[dense agate]

yes, we are much more insignificant

you're missing an A

[dense agate]

yea, which by itself comes from shimon

[manic juniper]

Where does Simeon stand then

[manic juniper]

It's called Lappi because it's loaned from Swedish Lapland, they have that too

A region of northern Europe where the Sámi live

https://tenor.com/view/sodankylä-lapland-lappi-inari-fernandez-saami-people-gif-25704197

People that herd reindeers, fish, and they live in tents like those

At least if they are trying to live traditionally, otherwise they are the same as anyone else

[misty jacinth]

Some asian culture

[manic juniper]

No

[misty jacinth]

So what then

Uralic

Idk

[manic juniper]

Yes, but that's a broad group like Indo-European

[misty jacinth]

Oh k

[manic juniper]

They are from Europe

[misty jacinth]

So prob more northern one

[misty jacinth]

Ok

[thorny steeple]

this life>>>>>>>>

[dull breach]

morning

[thorny steeple]

Gm

[nocturne sorrel]

Hey

[rose eagle]

Saocu?

[weary belfry]

Thanks. And yes, I know. What's up w her?

I doubt I have detailed knowledge on this topic. But please continue. Im listenin'

[frank furnace]

Where's the proof?

[weary belfry]

Oh, Prophet Muhammad did this?

Ohh. And what do you think abt it?

I also want to hear his comment too. I will choose to be objective for now

Hmmm, did he do this while they were married?

Don't worry, dude

How does this verse prove that Prophet Muhammad did such a thing?

[rugged cove]

whoaaah...is that okat for talking that?

[weary belfry]

Bro, ofc I don't want. I'm trying to be objective right now

[rugged cove]

is this not too much? i meant...we now talking someone famous

[weary belfry]

I still don't understand. Why would they force her? Is there any compulsion in Islam?

But how can you prove this anyway?

I only see comments

As far as I know, there is no verse in the Quran abt them forcing Zainab to marry w Prophet Muhammad

But where is the evidence that they forced her?

Can we know this for sure?

Oh, you talk abt a deep research process?

How

[rugged cove]

@turbid ivy are u thing christian is true?

[weary belfry]

Good luck w it. I wonder what you will find

[balmy matrix]

bro was making fun of egypt and today he got the pharouh pfp 💀

[weary belfry]

How do you plan to get accurate info abt the history of that time?

Something caught my attention on the first page. Allah is everywhere. How can Allah refuse to enter the room?

How can you prove that those events are reliable?

Oh, my bad . Let me read the other sentences too

[rugged cove]

why debate islam,when not sure is another religion is not fake.

i meant...why not belief it

[smoky pagoda]

What is he yapping about

Yea 🆗 WOMP WOMP CRY ABOUT IT

[weary belfry]

Abt Zainab and Prophet Muhammad

[smoky pagoda]

What about them?

[weary belfry]

Let's try to calm down a bit

[rugged cove]

i meant....rather u search a false thing on the one religion...why not find one true religion...and give the information to public?

[smoky pagoda]

Don't worry I can be bit blunt with him

[weary belfry]

They forced Zainab to marry Prophet Muhammad

[smoky pagoda]

No he didn't

[weary belfry]

Damn, nice qn

[rugged cove]

yeah right....rather make debate for fighting...why not find one the true religion and give it to public.

[smoky pagoda]

Prophecies

[weary belfry]

Okay, gotta go. I have to go now. See you later

[smoky pagoda]

He said there will be people in my ummah who will consider musical instruments and alcohol as permissible and will call it another names and will drink it

[weary belfry]

So are we having a conversation based on comments right now?

[smoky pagoda]

None are

[smoky pagoda]

@turbid ivy

Guess what dawg Muslims do that

Arab will have tall buildings

In the desert

[balmy matrix]

[smoky pagoda]

Hmm 🤔 interesting

[balmy matrix]

no yap

[smoky pagoda]

Cry about it

WOMP WOMP

[balmy matrix]

childish reply lol

" womp womp "

[smoky pagoda]

@turbid ivy dunk it

If you can

[weary belfry]

Hanee, friend, don't forget to act according to the server rules

It's not good for you two to discuss about religion

[smoky pagoda]

First of no he didn't

Second of all this isn't about Muhammad

Read what it says

There will be people in my ummah do haram things saying it's fine

Mand dawg

Mend ain't wine

[balmy matrix]

ofc there are bad people in every ummah bro

none is perfect

what's the point

[smoky pagoda]

Read the hadith

It's a prophecy

It specifically

[balmy matrix]

☠️

[smoky pagoda]

Talks 4 things

[balmy matrix]

okay " there are bad people in the server , and they will curse mike , and troll in genreal 1 "

is that prophecy

[smoky pagoda]

Illegal sexual intercourse alcohol silk and musical instruments as permissible

[smoky pagoda]

......

[muted lantern]

LET HIM COOK

[balmy matrix]

let him cook

[smoky pagoda]

Sex outside marriage

[smoky pagoda]

Oi no no illegal sexual intercourse means

Sex outside marriage and outside sexual slaves

Sex with free woman

What does it call uhh

Matural sex or something

That's why I corrected bruhhhhhhhhh

Sex with free woman is considered Zina

Sex with wife or sex slaves isn't

Allowed

Not anymore

200 years ago we can

Same 💀200 years it was legal to marry a 7 years old in UK 🇬🇧

7 years old!!!!!!

Child aduse ohhhhh by UK

Wow

Yea I know same as in islamic sharia you can marry a woman once she reaches puberty.

💀 Dude what does immature has to do with puburty?

I said you can marry a woman who has reached puburty

Where

Show me

Yes 💀 you have a problem with that he engaged yes

Marriage physically took place at when she was 9

*Engagement

[smoky pagoda]

Yes 💀

I know

Yes 💀

Problem?

[smoky pagoda]

Another prophecy

The one more it says the hour will not come until there will be Zina common among you

Fun fact 😃 Zina isn't only sexual

[weary belfry]

Hellow

[smoky pagoda]

There are types of Zina

[dense agate]

testicular torsion

https://tenor.com/view/testicular-torsion-spin-saul-goodman-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-gif-3051070541126261493

[smoky pagoda]

💀

Welcome to serious chat

Of 2024

[dense agate]

you asked what hurts, TT is agony

they didn't answer my question whether being single or losing a spouse is worse 😔

society is doomed

[ashen mortar]

Hola

Hola Everyone

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-meme-duniya-ka-papa-jack-meme-burnknucklesog-gif-1444926593516084110

[quasi needle]

..?

do you just throw out moralities

[smoky pagoda]

Huh?

[quasi needle]

can you tell me why someone shouldn’t have a problem with someone even engaging with a child that hasn’t even surpassed purity

[smoky pagoda]

💀 Dude she wanted agree to marry what do you want?

[quasi needle]

this is such a fallacious point

the brain isn’t done developing until 25 and you’re arguing on a stance they can wholly consent

[smoky pagoda]

.......

[quasi needle]

there’s a reason 18 is an adult and not 7

it’s a disgusting view

[smoky pagoda]

You from UK right?

[quasi needle]

yes

[smoky pagoda]

What was the age consent of marrying in 1500s

May I ask

[quasi needle]

i do not know

[smoky pagoda]

7 years!!!!

[quasi needle]

then that is disgusting, what is your point

the prophet you preach is a pedophile so like

[smoky pagoda]

My point you can marry a woman when she reaches puberty

[quasi needle]

no you cannot

[smoky pagoda]

That's not what the islamic sharia says

[quasi needle]

there’s a reason modern standards have been implemented after we established moral certainties

[smoky pagoda]

Well 1500s they did I believe

UK 🇬🇧 your country

[quasi needle]

the Uk didn’t exist in the 1500s

[smoky pagoda]

Islamic laws and the revelation are timeless

[quasi needle]

and they are still pedophiles…?

[smoky pagoda]

Whatever there was they did that

[quasi needle]

you’re acting as if i support english pedophiles but not muslims

acts of the past were with disgusting lack of knowledge about human growth and development

[smoky pagoda]

Dude girl reaches puberty isn't a child

Anymore

That's my point is

[quasi needle]

errrrrm… yes they are!

adulthood is when a person reaches a state of justifiable self independence since they have developed to a stage where they are mature enough

[smoky pagoda]

That's your point of what an adult is

That's not what the creator said

[quasi needle]

please consult with every law

[smoky pagoda]

Islamic law

[quasi needle]

a 9 year old girl is not developed enough to make decisions that will affect their whole life

[quasi needle]

the very thing every other country shuns

stuck in the last

[smoky pagoda]

It was his father decision BTW

[quasi needle]

so someone’s father forced them to marry a grown ass man?

genius

[smoky pagoda]

Didn't force

He asked for her consent

[quasi needle]

which she cannot certainly give at such an undeveloped mental age

[smoky pagoda]

And only then the marrige happen

[smoky pagoda]

Well she did. And she said yes

[quasi needle]

no she didn’t

[smoky pagoda]

Show me

Where does it say that

[quasi needle]

read it again

she cannot certainly give

[smoky pagoda]

Oh my god

Bruhhhhhhhhh go read the hadith

[quasi needle]

are you illiterate

[smoky pagoda]

Interesting

[quasi needle]

she can give whatever consent but at such an age it’s impossible for them to provide a certain decision that will force severe implications for the rest of their life

a decision of that magnitude at that age is a shorthand decision they cannot fully understand

this is justifying pedophilia

[smoky pagoda]

What makes you think 🤔 that

[quasi needle]

do you know why adulthood starts at 18

[smoky pagoda]

No it starts at when she or he develops understanding and reached puburty

[quasi needle]

the body of a girl may be developed as early as 13, since their purity starts at around 9. the mental growth does not stop for another DECADE. they are easily impressionable and immature

[smoky pagoda]

Don't specify any number

[quasi needle]

this is a fat lie that you are using to push a disgusting idea

[smoky pagoda]

[quasi needle]

the definition of adult is a fully developed human

the brain INCLUDED

albeit that ends at 25, it’s widely concluded that a sufficient maturity can be reached by 18

[smoky pagoda]

That's not what the creator says.

[quasi needle]

do you talk to the creator

[smoky pagoda]

Who's words have more power yours or the creator

[smoky pagoda]

Revelation

[quasi needle]

mine because i don’t believe in any creator

[smoky pagoda]

Quran and the authentic hadiths

[quasi needle]

because i know one doesn’t exist

[feral river]

I didn't see we had a talk ever before

[smoky pagoda]

That's your problem not mine

[quasi needle]

how is it a problem

[feral river]

I'm the creator but what did you say bro

[quasi needle]

religion is used as a basis for moral certainties when yours provides ZILCH

you use “words of the creator” to justify inhumane pedophilia

[feral river]

what I'm always saying is no pedophilia, no matter what the fuck is your religion or other stuff

[quasi needle]

which quite frankly fucking disgusting and you should be ashamed

[feral river]

you think based on your religion you can enforce that on a kid ?

LMAO

[quasi needle]

a 7 year old girl cannot consciously consent and handle all the implications of marriage with a grown man in a mature way

[feral river]

so why can't I based on my religion to bomb the shit out of those basters ?

that's unfair

[quasi needle]

islam also says to wage war on non believers so

https://tenor.com/view/steam-happy-steam-happy-gif-4531022007608143773

[feral river]

"I'm gonna bomb the shit out of these places" - Donald J. Trump

[quasi needle]

donald trump is insufferable

there must MIGHT be a correlation between the islamic holy book telling you to attack non believers and the shocking amount of islamic extremist terrorists in the world

[feral river]

1st I wanna say correlation does not imply to causation, 2nd no matter what do you believe, what is your ideology, we all have a common sense of how a kid should be treated

[smoky pagoda]

[feral river]

if you think you can use religion to enforce some ridiculous rule on kids, we can use religion to eliminate such people too

let's see which gun is much bigger

[smoky pagoda]

Not interested double it and give it to someone else

[feral river]

you should be not interested LMAO

[quasi needle]

but it is used by the extremists to justify their actions. extremist islamics are created by the koran

[smoky pagoda]

And I'm very much not

[quasi needle]

they interpret it extremely literally and that’s how they’re formed

[feral river]

very good that's what I wanted to hear

[smoky pagoda]

Gr8

[quasi needle]

it’s quite odd how islam, the religion with all these horrible and disgusting parts of their religion, are the ones with MASSIVE militaristic groups that slaughter and rape kids

[feral river]

idc that much in last decade they tasted american bombs in this decade they tasted Israeli bombs, go on

[quasi needle]

i don’t justify america or israel

[feral river]

they are the only people who still remember how it tastes

reflect yourself carefully

[quasi needle]

it’s a back and forth. israel oppresses palestine, hamas rapes israelis. israel bombs palestinian citizens, hamas bombs israeli citizens

[smoky pagoda]

Bombing and killing innocent isn't a part of religion Islam it's just people skill issues

Islam doesn't say

Kill kids and all

[quasi needle]

Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush

Surah 9:5

[feral river]

sigh

[quasi needle]

this is odd!

[smoky pagoda]

Idiot read the next two verses as well

[quasi needle]

surely it’s all random

[smoky pagoda]

Taking things out of context

Agnorance

[quasi needle]

“if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them”

so it’s saying if they become muslim they’ll be fine

[smoky pagoda]

If they don't accept Islam make sure take them to the place of safety

[feral river]

@turbid ivy bro it's now your ground

[smoky pagoda]

That's what it says

[smoky pagoda]

Read the next verses as well

[quasi needle]

tl;dr

• kill non believers
• but also protect them! (only if they ask), because they’re “lost”
• kill anyone who “defames” islam
• fight the leaders for disbelief
• you should fear allah otherwise you’re not a true believer
• “punished those who disbelieve”
• “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”
• give [Christians and Jews] tidings of a painful punishment.

[smoky pagoda]

@quasi needle

[quasi needle]

each verse contradicts itself

[quasi needle]

then the following verses immediately say jews and christians should be tortured and you should fight those who don’t believe

[smoky pagoda]

Where?

[quasi needle]

i quite literally quoted a whole verse

[smoky pagoda]

I don't see it

[quasi needle]

surah 9:29

[smoky pagoda]

Show me the verses

Not your interpretations

[smoky pagoda]

It says if they believe leave then let them go next verse it says if they ask for protection and not accept Islam take them to the place of safety

That's what It says

[smoky pagoda]

Where does it says fight for those who fight with you first if they start the fight first.

[quasi needle]

• 9:5: “kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush”
• note this immediately follows talking about a “treaty” that a nonbeliever must accept within the “holy months”. this treaty is if they “have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you”. aka, supporting another religion or saying islam isn’t true

“expended” are those that are wholly neutral

[smoky pagoda]

Dude
But once the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists ˹who violated their treaties˺ wherever you find them,1 capture them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them on every way. But if they repent, perform prayers, and pay alms-tax, then set them free. Indeed, Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

[quasi needle]

further note, it says “And when the sacred months have passed”, then kill them

[smoky pagoda]

This is what the verse says

I don't what you are talking about

[quasi needle]

yes. expended are those that are wholly neutral, not those that believe another religion or speak down on islam

[smoky pagoda]

This Quran 9:5

[quasi needle]

anyone that isn’t “idk if it’s true” is to be punished, as for these exact words

[smoky pagoda]

Yes read the next verse as well

[quasi needle]

if you want to say read the next verse then why does the verse 16 verses down say fight the disbelievers

[smoky pagoda]

If they attack you

If they attack you

If

IF

[quasi needle]

“if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief”
“defame” - speaking down on it, saying it’s a lie

[smoky pagoda]

First

[quasi needle]

where does it say this

it says this nowhere dude

[smoky pagoda]

Defame means torture or fight with Muslims

[smoky pagoda]

.....

[quasi needle]

defame - damage the good reputation of (someone); slander or libel.

[smoky pagoda]

...

[quasi needle]

you are main your own interpretation that contradicts the literal definition to make your point sound

your religion says to fight nonbelievers, it says that with NO PRETEXT to if they fight first

[smoky pagoda]

I don't know man at this point it's feels like your skill issues

[quasi needle]

you ask me for quotes and verses then fail to do the same to prove your defenses

[quasi needle]

because you are making false definitions to defend a disgusting religion that preaches terrorism

[manic juniper]

I guess that the polytheists that violated the treaties were all of them, since no polytheists exist there anymore

[smoky pagoda]

Yes the polytheism violate and fight the Muslims first fight them.

[quasi needle]

doesn’t say that anywhere but ok 😂

have a good day

[manic juniper]

I don't think you understood the point

I doubt all polytheists violated the treaties, it's simply ridiculous

[quasi needle]

blud is straight up making false statements that the koran doesn’t say!

[smoky pagoda]

Violate doesn't mean like not following Islam

[manic juniper]

Why are there no polytheists anymore there

[smoky pagoda]

Violate in the sense that they attack the Muslims

[manic juniper]

What happened to them

[smoky pagoda]

Where?

[manic juniper]

In the Middle East and North Africa

[quasi needle]

there are

[smoky pagoda]

They went away to the part of the world

[quasi needle]

oh

[manic juniper]

They're new lines

[manic juniper]

They didn't, that only happened in India

When the Romani migrated to Europe

[smoky pagoda]

Ok

[manic juniper]

There is no migration of polytheists from the Middle East

[smoky pagoda]

Most of them converted

Fun fact 😃

[manic juniper]

Ok but I asked where are those that didn't

[smoky pagoda]

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him uncle didn't convert

He didn't kill him

[quasi needle]

3:151 "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they [Christians & Hindus] join others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the wrong doers."

[smoky pagoda]

If that's what you're saying that it says to kill them where ever you see them

[quasi needle]

8:39 "And fight them [the unbelievers] until there is no more disbelief (fitnah), and the religion will all be for Allah Alone [the translation adds: 'in the whole of the world'.]"

[smoky pagoda]

Until there is no fitnah

You know the meaning of fitnah?

Guess not

[manic juniper]

Do you know the meaning of borough?

[quasi needle]

Fitna (or fitnah, pl. fitan; Arabic: فتنة , فتن: - temptation

[smoky pagoda]

Fitnah doesn't mean disbelief or disbeliever

[quasi needle]

it means heretical disbelief

[smoky pagoda]

💀 Yes someone who spread currpution in land like raping and killing others

[quasi needle]

what religion is hamas

[smoky pagoda]

That's what fitnah means

[quasi needle]

this is once again your own definition and not the actual definition

fitnah, in Islamic usage, a heretical uprising

[smoky pagoda]

Islam. His actions what does it has to do with Islamic teachings?

[quasi needle]

the first one “LEAD” to a civil war, but it wasn’t a fight itself

[smoky pagoda]

No this is the definition of fitnah

[quasi needle]

sure bud

[smoky pagoda]

F
I
T
N
A
H

[manic juniper]

After 1930 a lot of verses have been completely reinterpreted to their likings, it's better to read the explanations before that decade

[quasi needle]

muslim apologists make their own interpretations to lessen the violent cries that the koran makes

[manic juniper]

All the "scientific miracles" are a post-1930 thing

[quasi needle]

wdym by scientific miracle

[smoky pagoda]

So? Your point is it says kill the disbelievers interesting point @quasi needle

[manic juniper]

The stuff they interpret as a description of the Big Bang or modern, accurate embryology

[quasi needle]

yes. because that is what it says!

[smoky pagoda]

Do you see me killing you?

[quasi needle]

no. but i do see at LEAST the top 20 violent terrorist organizations in the world being islamic!

because you are making your own less violent interpretations of the koran. they are taking it literally

[smoky pagoda]

Nothin to do with Islamic teachings

[quasi needle]

yes it is

[smoky pagoda]

Nah

That's there skill issues

[quasi needle]

they read it word for word when it says kill disbelievers, they’ll kill disbelievers

you make your own bluff up to make it sound like it’s less violent

[smoky pagoda]

Islam doesn't say that

[quasi needle]

and you’re the one talking about arrogance 🤣

[smoky pagoda]

[quasi needle]

well the alpha particle scattering experiment was in 1908

[smoky pagoda]

Why am I not killing

💀

[quasi needle]

because you made your own less violent interpretations. do you want me to repeat this for the 7th time?

[manic juniper]

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Miracles_in_the_Quran

[quasi needle]

oh that

i didn’t know that was a thing

[smoky pagoda]

No 💀 Cuz the Quran says be kind and respect other people religion

Quran 2:256
Let there be no compulsion in religion @quasi needle

[manic juniper]

It's amusing because our creation myth too has some sort of egg involved that breaks in two, separating the sky from the Earth

[quasi needle]

please use a holy book that doesn’t contradict itself every 3 verses

[smoky pagoda]

Doesn't contradict

[quasi needle]

no compulsion! but kill them! but only if they don’t defame it! but fight them!

[smoky pagoda]

[quasi needle]

terms and conditions ahh religion

[smoky pagoda]

Kill them if they fight you or create fitnah in land like raping killing etc etc

[quasi needle]

doesn’t say “if they fight you” at all

[smoky pagoda]

That's what it says

[smoky pagoda]

Defame if they create fitnah

[quasi needle]

please find me a verse near 9:29 that corroborates that point

[quasi needle]

you asked me for verses, give me one that corroborates that

[smoky pagoda]

?????

Where?

[quasi needle]

oh my holy fuck

your holy book begs for violence

[smoky pagoda]

F
I
T
N
A
H
Currpution in land by doing things like raping killing etc etc

[quasi needle]

once again your own definition

[smoky pagoda]

Search yourself what fitnah means

[quasi needle]

fitnah, in Islamic usage, a heretical uprising

literally the dictionary definition

what is heresy

disbelief

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple

????

[thorny steeple]

[quasi needle]

like dude you make me send verses and quotes and definitions meanwhile you’re making up ur own shit out of thin air

[smoky pagoda]

Fitnah doesn't mean disbelief or a disbeliever

[quasi needle]

if you want me to ask you for the 9th time where it says only if the disbelievers fight first i’ll do that happily

[quasi needle]

well it means heretical uprising, and heresy means disbelief. so you can keep lying

[thorny steeple]

Hershey's

[thorny steeple]

Oh yeah so I was on this american server. And I'm sorry if I sound insensitive. Do you guys defend weird fetishes?

[smoky pagoda]

💀 If they create fitnah if if

F
I
T
N
A
H

[quasi needle]

you are unable to prove your point

i will end this here

[smoky pagoda]

I literally proved it

[thorny steeple]

Obviously no normal person will. But most of the people in that american vc were defending it and I was just surprised like wtf

[quasi needle]

in your falsified interpretation sure

[smoky pagoda]

Nah

[quasi needle]

you are brainwashed

[thorny steeple]

I don't know
I don't do it

[smoky pagoda]

[thorny steeple]

Well let's go to hangout. You're in school. Forget about it.

[quasi needle]

you’re making up fake definitions that physically cannot be corroborated in the dictionary to justify the outcries for slaughter

[thorny steeple]

Thank you though for listening to me lol

[smoky pagoda]

Yes 💀 to not kill the disbelievers for no reason to not to not steal to not kill.

[thorny steeple]

Use Xtra detergent

[quasi needle]

you’re making up fake definitions that physically cannot be corroborated in the dictionary to justify the outcries for slaughter

[thorny steeple]

are you a graduate?

[quasi needle]

have a good day

[smoky pagoda]

Offffffff

[rugged cove]

can someone tell me...about is that true, the reason of the chaostic world. the root of that USA

[quasi needle]

no

[thorny steeple]

Uncle Joe 😭
We need Trump 🦅

okay

[quasi needle]

the root of chaos is extremism

[manic juniper]

USA caused the fall of the western Roman Empire and Constantinople

[thorny steeple]

We need people like me 🃏

[manic juniper]

They killed my hamster too

[thorny steeple]

[manic juniper]

And stole by toothbrush when I was 6

[smoky pagoda]

[quasi needle]

the usa caused the dinosaur asteroid

[thorny steeple]

Lol

[rugged cove]

IRAN,IRAK,afganistan....before and after US invade it....that evidence for history.

[thorny steeple]

[muted lantern]

Ye

[thorny steeple]

Why are the people in serious chat so depressed

[muted lantern]

Government is here

[quasi needle]

all are islamic states that violently oppress freedom and women

[rugged cove]

agree...trump better

[thorny steeple]

seriousness is the reason

[quasi needle]

the usa did a shit job but that doesn’t mean their governments are any better

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-shuffle-gif-17256984547434954757

[thorny steeple]

Hitler was serious too

[muted lantern]

When he comes back

[thorny steeple]

dead now

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-pump-oou-rap-slurpee-gif-13736098

[rugged cove]

is that have a freedom of woman....u freedom for gun make USA become unsafed country.

[quasi needle]

..? what

[manic juniper]

I agree, some people don't deserve to vote

[rugged cove]

are u read journal about shooting on school in USA.

[quasi needle]

are you saying the trade off of not having guns is worth stoning women for not wearing a hijab

[thorny steeple]

Bro you need a teacher
Not an argument

[manic juniper]

Reading stuff like that makes me authoritarian and against universal suffrage

[quasi needle]

what?

why

[manic juniper]

I don't want that person to vote

[thorny steeple]

that's why we have age restriction

[quasi needle]

freedom for all or freedom for none

[rugged cove]

at least them safest for life, cause never have history in sadam husa*n goverment have a evidence about dozen a studient die cause got shot.

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately some people believe that even after they turn 40

[molten magnet]

fact: there is no morality in the nature only who is powerfull

[quasi needle]

america is, was and will be safer than pre 2000s middle east

that is a statistically corroborated fact

it is was and will be more free as well

[thorny steeple]

🦅 Freedom=Rich

[manic juniper]

There are other countries besides USA where many people own a gun and nothing ever happens

[quasi needle]

you do know sudan hussein was the cause of the fall of iraq

[molten magnet]

Turkey more safe than USA. We are in middle east

[thorny steeple]

They have other problems
No country is perfect 🦅🦅

[manic juniper]

Antarctica is perfect

[thorny steeple]

That's under the USA (some part of it)

[quasi needle]

let’s check this with the global peace index (the ranking of country safety)

[manic juniper]

I don't think it is

[thorny steeple]

Middle East and safe

[quasi needle]

USA - 132nd
Turkey - 139th

turkey is not safer

[real monolith]

What are you guys talking about?

[quasi needle]

i am british myself so i am 34th

so my country is roughly 105 points higher on the safety index

[thorny steeple]

Love and Romance between countries

[molten magnet]

Turkey's security index may have declined because of its neighbors, but it is safe within itself.

[quasi needle]

it is also an oppressive state

[thorny steeple]

I am sorry I searched for it now
Antarctica is peaceful
Lessss goooo

[quasi needle]

turkey are also the ones waging a proxy war on syria

[molten magnet]

which country is completely free. Freedom only weapon against enemies

[thorny steeple]

safe by not letting people express themselves

[quasi needle]

nothing is completely free otherwise you’d be subjected to anarchism. but my country is significantly more free and safe

[molten magnet]

Yes we support

[quasi needle]

don’t confuse freedom of speech with freedom of expression. my country has freedom of expression while islamic states do not

[molten magnet]

I went to London. It doesn't seem very safe. There are a lot of foreigners.

[thorny steeple]

They don't even have a church

[rugged cove]

USA is root of chaostic in the world....u can see, a lot war in the world on modern war, a US always there...that prove is US always make war. whereever them go

[quasi needle]

it is actually quite safe

[molten magnet]

I SUPPORT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION BUT IT IS NOT UNLIMITED

[quasi needle]

this is a propagandist view pushed by fascistic states

[thorny steeple]

Cause it has a freedom of expression 🦅

[quasi needle]

list me wars and how the usa made it chaos

give me examples not a generalist take

[rugged cove]

vietnam,ww2(japan),cold war,irak,iran,afganistan,israel-palestine(middle east) and other many thing

[quasi needle]

blame the usa while ignoring how the biggest terroristic organizations are all from the middle east

[molten magnet]

Even Western Turkey and Eastern Türkiye are very different, the East is closer to the Middle East, there are many Syrians and are insecure, but the Western regions are more similar to Europe, they are safer. Look at Turkey differently, it is a much larger and more diverse country than England.

[quasi needle]

…???????????

okay let’s debunk all of these

[rugged cove]

US always there

[molten magnet]

Also Eastern Turkey has kurdish seperatism but west no

[thorny steeple]

Aw

[manic juniper]

Many of the countries you listed have another country involved that doesn't exist anymore

[rugged cove]

cause rudal and bomb is exitst on there

[manic juniper]

Also idk how USA is involved with Palestine when Israel was created by UK and Russia mainly

[thorny steeple]

history

☠️

[rugged cove]

if u dont know...i will give clue. samson option

[manic juniper]

So? Iran has nuclear weapons too and it's an enemy of USA

[quasi needle]

vietnam - preventing the communist spread of the USSR, the same state which subjected its citizens to one of the worst famines in human history and disgusting living quality
ww2 - the usa was literally avoiding the war until JAPAN ATTACKED FIRST
cold war - literally wasn’t even a war, it was an era of technological advancement and tension
iraq/iran/afghanistan - awful tries at freeing their populous from oppressive and militaristic fascistic regimes. the “weapons of mass destruction” (chemical warfare) was successfully destroyed
israel-palestine - hamas slaughtered and raped israeli citizens (israel is the western stronghold in the middle east and is an american ally. hamas attacked first, but i’m not saying any side was justified)

[rugged cove]

@manic juniper i can give u how much money US give to israel for buy waepon.

[manic juniper]

They asked you to list conflicts where USA is involved and you listed past conflicts instead of modern ones

[quasi needle]

yes every country buys weapons it’s not exactly a new concept

or a western concept

[manic juniper]

That's like me listing the Punic Wars and the Roman-Persian wars in the list of wars where Italy is involved

[rugged cove]

okay one by one....remember nazi? ever hear holocost? so...what u thing that nazi can make genoside cause the jewish people not help german empire on ww1

[quasi needle]

the nazis caused ww2! that’s why modern germany is bad

[quasi needle]

what

[manic juniper]

Here we go, antisemitism

[quasi needle]

you just brought up something that goes against your point…?

[manic juniper]

Didn't take long enough

[rugged cove]

u said palestine and isreal cause haman and rape israel....but that make them right to genoside?

[molten magnet]

Don't act like the West is so good. The West hasn't progressed since 2008. Asian countries are rising

[quasi needle]

i already said i’m not justifying any side. but israel is allowed to defend itself and seeing as they are a military ally with america, they will naturally provide weapons

[manic juniper]

True, China without enough immigrants and an aging population will do extremely good

[quasi needle]

the usa gdp has doubled since 2008 lol

[rugged cove]

@quasi needle read this buddy. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

[thorny steeple]

I don't understand why middle easterns hate Jewish when in fact they should hate terrorists

[quasi needle]

so..?

[thorny steeple]

They don't hate only Israel but they hate Jewish overall

[quasi needle]

every nuclear country has this

[molten magnet]

I am a medical student. My doctor friends who went to England are returning to Turkey because the health system is bad. It is a third world country except for London and its surroundings.

[quasi needle]

including russia and china

[rugged cove]

@quasi needle are u ever know about israel ever thread US to give them nucklear before?

[quasi needle]

what are you trying to prove

[molten magnet]

only usa exception

[quasi needle]

i live here and i’m literally fine

i have a medical appointment that i booked on tuesday and it’s in 3 days

it’s not exactly some massive backlog

[thorny steeple]

Global Economy is not in a good health right now