🧠｜serious-chat

[whole beacon]

ITS EXACTLY WHAT THE CHRISTIANS DID IN THE LEVANT.

DAAAMN UR DOUBLE STANDARDS

Wtf

The lvl of hypocrisy

[manic juniper]

I would too because as a woman I could pass it on to my heir

[native bronze]

crusaders killed the muslims and non muslims innocent ones

[median temple]

Well in history it was race between Muslims and Christians that who is more cruel.

[minor pond]

if am not passing the limit can i ask u why do u left izlam

[whole beacon]

The Christians won it for sure

[whole beacon]

Not me.
Its the guy nobu.

[native bronze]

he not him

[feral river]

I want to be flexible on gender too

[whole beacon]

Just be fluid

Or gas

[feral river]

LMAO

[median temple]

Currently downfall going on, so Muslims are dominanting.

[native bronze]

muslims killing christians?

rn?

[median temple]

Like how does that work bro? will you cut your banana?

[feral river]

transgender ?

they/them ?

[whole beacon]

Don't be a copy cat. Okay.
Those propagandic nonsense won't do u well. I refrain from reading unknown sources.
Ur just playing around trying to justify ur anger and play the victim card.
Salam

[median temple]

am not talking about killing, I am talking about religion war, Christianity is falling and people are converting to Islam so rapidly.

[native bronze]

hbt what U.S did in iraq ,yemen , syria , pakistan and afghanstan

[feral river]

that's not because religion itself, just because the vulnerability of their state especially western nations

[native bronze]

ah

i see

[feral river]

what they promoted like multi-culturalism, freedom of religion really give a lot of chance to their enemies

[median temple]

You mean you'll join LGBTQ++ 🏳️‍🌈

[feral river]

did you see anyone in China convert to Islam ?

or Russia ?

that's because our national defense is working

[native bronze]

u.s is christian country

[median temple]

In china they are banning on azaan and destroying mosques.

[whole beacon]

I can draw enough resources about countless massacres that were committed on the Christians.
But u would call it whataboutism.
U don't get my initiative, i don't like religious talks.
Im trying to send a message of ( live and let live)
U chose to be convert knowing wat would happen.
Live up to ur choice.

[feral river]

yeah but it worked

no one converting Islam in China

[native bronze]

why u acting like islam gonna end ur life

or their life

[feral river]

because it is gonna ruin our state

[native bronze]

like disease

[minor pond]

in china u r not even allowing the muslims to live peacefully and how can a person think to covrt tbh

[native bronze]

communist?

[feral river]

they can live peacefully if they are peaceful

why you think a peaceful person can't live peacefully

[native bronze]

huh thats much worse

[minor pond]

no they can't

[feral river]

because they are not peaceful

[native bronze]

our religion isnot ur concern then

[real monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-med-crockett-marcel-generalization-thats-quite-a-generalization-there-generalizing-gif-10272878793561448646

[whole beacon]

Uuugh yeah yeah
Yeah
Keep up the act bye bye.

[native bronze]

me not you

[feral river]

they aligned with separatism, anti-state forces, extremists and terrorists against our state

that can't be toleranted

so we ruthlessly crack down on them very fast

problem solved ✅

[minor pond]

they r peaceful , u guys r the evil one we saw a video of u guys forcing the to dring alchol and brainwash their child

[feral river]

LMAO

[native bronze]

lmao?

[whole beacon]

Plz remember guys

no ad hominems.

[median temple]

China should do the same with Christian people too

[hollow raven]

Nuts have higher saturated fat than the old nikado avocado

[shy summit]

Excuse me?

[feral river]

not really Christian in China is growing literally

[native bronze]

dw imnot getting in ur house in first place

cya😁

[median temple]

It should be fair with everyone, why discrimination?

[feral river]

even we don't do anything to Hui Chinese they are peaceful muslims

[shy summit]

I’m sorry I’m gonna need you explain @median temple

[feral river]

we even have special dish for muslims in everywhere

and we respect them, they don't eat porks so we offer chicken

they don't drink alcohol that's okay

they go to mosque to pray, we have that, in megacities

[shy summit]

Are you saying China should treat any group like its treated Muslims in its camps? o_o

Cause that’s really disgusting. They shouldn’t be treating anyone like that…

[feral river]

well I'm not going to correct you on something but I can guarantee that it's not because they are muslim they got imprisoned

[manic juniper]

There are many Arab goths, they are growing

[feral river]

why there's no any Hui Chinese being imprisoned ? they are muslims

[minor pond]

what abt Uyghur population

[shy summit]

Moving on

Next topic

We are not talking about the Uyhgur genocide camps rn

[feral river]

next one next one this one boring

[shy summit]

No one should be treated like that end of story @median temple

[median temple]

Well not like camps but I think if china is stopping Muslims from following their religion, because its extreme, then why not with Christians and Jews. why so unfair?

[shy summit]

Because racism

[feral river]

what ?

[shy summit]

Next question

[feral river]

ah fine

[manic juniper]

It's more about ethnicity than religion

They don't care much about Muslim Hui Chinese

[feral river]

crap

[minor pond]

what abt the ughur muslims

[shy summit]

I’m more interested in the rise of Arabic Goth Mommies

[real monolith]

Me too

[manic juniper]

https://www.instagram.com/dsbmetall
There is also another called gothicsally or something

[median temple]

Chinese Muslims are literally Chinese people ethnicity wise. they are not imported from arab or central asia.

[feral river]

actually if you check the demographic situation in Xinjiang you will see there's more Han Chinese than Uyghurs

[manic juniper]

The Uyghurs aren't ethnically Chinese, they are Turkic

[shy summit]

They’re mostly turkish

[feral river]

I guess in recent years, XUAR (Xinjiang Uyhgur Autonomous Region) will be Xinjiang Province instead

[manic juniper]

They would be Central Asian if China didn't have Xinjiang/Uyghurstan

[feral river]

that's what Xi jinping trying to accomplish

[shy summit]

Not an accomplishment to boast to democratic nations….

Anyways…

[median temple]

Move on

[minor pond]

what abt the hui muslims they face restriction even tho Hui Muslims have a long history of integration into Han Chinese society. They speak Mandarin and share many cultural practices with the Han majority,

[manic juniper]

https://www.instagram.com/gothicsally?igsh=MWFxMGgwMnJlMDVxbQ==

[feral river]

how beautiful Urumuqi is

the capital of the XUAR

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang

[manic juniper]

Out of all Arabs I didn't expect Iraqis to be the first to share their gothic fashion

[manic juniper]

I don't know much about them, but I don't think they're in camps

It's still bad if they are facing restrictions to their practices

[median temple]

Goth but in halal way

[feral river]

in Guangzhou City

one of the largest megacities in China

[manic juniper]

Is that guy holding a bong?

[feral river]

Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Chongqing, Tianjin

[minor pond]

Religious Education: There are significant restrictions on religious education for Hui Muslims. Religious schools have been closed, and there are limitations on teaching Islam to children

[feral river]

ofc it has what the heck exploit islam upon our people ?

that's insane

no way you can do that

[minor pond]

Mosque Regulations: Many Hui mosques have been forcibly renovated, altered, or even shuttered. The government has imposed strict regulations on the architecture and decoration of mosques

[feral river]

we are not a Islamic state

if you need or like a Islamic State you can get to the Taliban afganistan

[minor pond]

if the ppl wanna learn they can , that's their freedom i mean i feel sry that u r chinese u don't know much abt freedom

[feral river]

that's insane you asked for Islam education it's like what the heck

[minor pond]

my counrty is not muslim state but the muslims are allowed to have islamic schools

[feral river]

I will never need such freedom and for anyone in my state

and they do what I have said

[minor pond]

if u don't wanna learn don't , if u want u can but u r restricting it

[feral river]

you can have it, keep it

and don't say anything while you are having problem with them

[feral river]

we do restrict it, it's a ideological exploitation

[minor pond]

they brainwash you

[feral river]

it's a national security issue

ofc we gonna restrict it we do restrict on western ideologies why you think Islam education is not restricted 😂

[minor pond]

u think that will help u

[feral river]

ofc it helps me a lot a huge

when you are seeing the muslims walking on the street calling for their stupid agenda in the west for nothing

you will appreciate what we have done in here

[minor pond]

never

[feral river]

I appreciate it thank you very much China for caring our people

to defend our people from exploited by ideological rivals

[minor pond]

if u say we don't acccept the western ideology and here u say i wanna change my gender

[minor pond]

ur country will never allow u , u don't have the freedom to choose

[feral river]

but I have freedom to eat dogs

eat donkeys

do you have it ? 🤣

[minor pond]

i have too and that is not a freedom

[feral river]

it is, you can eat or you can't eat

[minor pond]

yaaa

[feral river]

woah you must enjoy it

where ru from ?

[minor pond]

u can eat where ever u r if u r not disgusted

[minor pond]

nah i nvr tried it

[feral river]

US doesn't have right to eat dogs

or cats

we can eat both

[minor pond]

u eat cats?/

[feral river]

I never try a cat but dog yeah sure

dog hot pot pretty delicious

[minor pond]

i don't think its halal tho i nvr tried it

[feral river]

in our city Shenyang we got a lot a famous resturant everyday is booming a lot of people come to have a dog hot pot

it was fucking delicious and drinking beer woah that's amazing

[minor pond]

but yesterday i was waching how the dog was killeed to be eaten

[feral river]

quality of the life instantly goes up

[verbal torrent]

u are turkish right?

[minor pond]

how old r u

[feral river]

22

[minor pond]

oww u r allowed to drink beer

[minor pond]

nahhh

[feral river]

we don't have age limitations on drinking alcohol

[minor pond]

u fr??

[feral river]

I drink alcohol since I was 15

[minor pond]

we do have even to drink coffee until ur 18 u don't drink

[feral river]

what ?

why coffee ?

[minor pond]

until u r 21 u r not allowed

[minor pond]

only the elders drink

[native bronze]

bro thinks freedom to eat dogs ,cats and insects are flex

[feral river]

that's a weird tradition

[feral river]

yeah

[native bronze]

and having no age limitations for alcohol

[feral river]

delicious bro you should try

[native bronze]

thats freedom i dont want to

[feral river]

because we are the freedomest state in the world!

[minor pond]

we had ended that topic

don't start it guys

[feral river]

🇨🇳 People's Republic of China

[native bronze]

freedom is good thing until it starts to harm

[native bronze]

no thank you

[feral river]

wym by harm, there's no harm

[native bronze]

yeah cya dying from liver failure after years

[feral river]

weirdo

[native bronze]

weirdo for telling ya effects of alcohol thats so obvious for every human

lmao

[feral river]

wym by every human

[native bronze]

?def human

[cursive bobcat]

Word: human

Definition 1 (noun): any living or extinct member of the family Hominidae characterized by superior intelligence, articulate speech, and erect carriage
Definition 2 (adjective): having human form or attributes as opposed to those of animals or divine beings
Definition 3 (null): characteristic of humanity

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by sefoo66

[native bronze]

say thank u

she left the effects and said wdym by every human

[feral river]

nah you put a freaking definition doesn't indicate your vague meaning really is

only appears you are not capable to answer this simple question

[native bronze]

huh

it is ur problem that u didnt understand it

[feral river]

womp womp

[native bronze]

on skibidi

[feral river]

it's your problem that you don't understand it

womp womp womp to the freaking womp

🤣

[native bronze]

whats the sigma

brainrot

[feral river]

womp womp

[native bronze]

🤓

[feral river]

@turbid ivy bro there's a suspect muslim where are you

[thorny steeple]

Muslim

[feral river]

I need your backup, request immediate evac!

[frosty falcon]

How can we make friends with people in other countries?

I want to solve this problem.

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from

[boreal tartan]

u just can exchange about ur lifestyle

like i'm french and i went i a english summercamps and i'm now friend with some chinese/german/grec/corean

[median temple]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-1Ya4NvsZl/?igsh=MThtOWYxdTRyYXMweQ==

Comments

[weary belfry]

Wow, nice suggestion

[boreal tartan]

thank's

[void wedge]

Moon, are you still mad at me?

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1287144476992868414/1289365593702666261/359102065bcbcc5cfac4db0f8135b94e.gif

[weary belfry]

My pleasure

[weary belfry]

Hmmmmm, who knows

[void wedge]

You I guess

[void wedge]

Sorry for what happened and you know I sometimes lose control and forget to use my fkin brain, I hate myself for this reason too

[weary belfry]

||shush|| you have already been forgiven

[weary belfry]

Serious chat. The only chat where I want to laugh but can't

[void wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry6-laugh-gif-23737499

[dapper laurel]

@feral river @lavish creek

[thorny steeple]

is that yeally a serious convo

[median temple]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-timmy-turner-fairly-odd-parents-console-no-sleep-gif-5096256

literally me when everyone was dying in 2020

[arctic linden]

can u die from eating spicy noodles 🤔

[feral river]

North Korea got 0

lol

[last geyser]

hi guys

[main bison]

my tv is singing a song saying hezbuallah is winner and israel is destroyed

[thorny steeple]

no

[arctic linden]

5 kids passed away

[thorny steeple]

kids fault 🗿

[arctic linden]

alr

[thorny steeple]

You were saying some days ago that Christians never suffered any persecution in any part of the human history. And now you're telling me I should study it

I bet you don't know much besides America's history

[shy summit]

When did I say Christians haven’t suffered persecution?

If anything I might’ve said that in America Christians have been the ruling demographic.

Christian’s have been a huge influencer of policy here. @thorny steeple

[feral river]

Generally it seems there’s only us as the most secular state in the world

And happy birthday 🇨🇳 People’s Republic of China

Today’s our national day

[dense agate]

China is an atheist state, not secular. xi jinping gets really anxious when people's faith isn't directed toward him

[dense agate]

weren't christians mainly persecuted by other christians for much of the past millennium ? lel

[thorny steeple]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[shy summit]

Oh I guess I did say that, except the context was mostly referring to western democracies, outside of that you see some but within them? Rarely

Granted given that the responding message was deleted that’s difficult to exemplify

[unique light]

lmaooo

Jaysus 😂

[shy summit]

Right?

[tranquil shell]

hey

can somebody tell what's going on labonon

[dense agate]

Israel is doing god's work

[tranquil shell]

so you're supporting isrealis?

[dense agate]

i support the destruction of terror organizations

[shy summit]

Israel killed the leader of hezbolla and fired upon some of their holdings, granted it looks like the start of the gaza issue all over again.

[tranquil shell]

So why don't they attack the terror headquarters?

[shy summit]

They did

[tranquil shell]

um

[shy summit]

The leader is dead

[dense agate]

what do you think killing Nasrallah means

[tranquil shell]

what is nasrallalh?

[dense agate]

the head of Hezbollah

[tranquil shell]

ohh

[uncut crater]

"As we have noted, the apparent problems of meat consumption are not limited to red meat. Although the saturated fat load in poultry and fish products may be lower than in typical red meats and omega-3 fatty acids account for a portion of the fat in many fish species, saturated fat content is nonetheless generally higher in poultry and fish than in typical vegetables, fruits, legumes, and grains."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3942738/

I'm seriously not trying to be condescending

I'm genuinely aiming to improve everyone's life with this information rather than destroy someone in a debate

[jolly stream]

Hello Nobody, welcome to my virtual world.

[last geyser]

hi guys

[slender coral]

@plush geyser why shouldn't I be fine with gay marriage?

[plush geyser]

Bro I didn't get u at all

Come to Arabic channel

[slender coral]

Which one is it?

[plush geyser]

Wait I will mention u there

[slender coral]

Hey we should actually continue here since this channel is for controversial stuff.

This take is so hot for the Arabic channel that it could burn it

[plush geyser]

Normal ya khoya

[plush geyser]

My English doesn't help me

[slender coral]

We can continue in dms then

[plush geyser]

Ok

[slender coral]

I sent you a message

[tardy path]

I'm Gonna Shoot myself

isnt that serious

[thorny steeple]

Not a native speaker, but it seems to me that both are correct.

[dense agate]

lel this is just a matter of lacking proper context than having to be "native English" speaker.
If i remember correctly this was in the second opioid war, the destruction of the palace was both a retaliation and to pressure Qing into negotiations, the money that the British-French were asking for was a compensation for the torture and killing of several European envoys and soldiers by the Chinese.

[slender coral]

why?

[tardy path]

Are You asking why is shooting yourself serious?

[slender coral]

No, why you want to shoot urself?

[restive minnow]

What if your boyfriend hurts your feelings really bad

[dense agate]

an action can have multiple motives behind it, the destruction of the palace was both a retaliation and to pressure Qing toward negotiations.
the part of the letter you showed just says that the destruction of the palace and exaction( demanding money as compensation for the sufferers) were done prior to negotiations.

idk what they're talking about exactly, maybe jsut clarifying the "in name of compensation..." but that one is already pretty clear

[shy summit]

Gotta love that American Healthcare.

[open plover]

Oh my goodness! Is that so?

[shy summit]

A slight exaggeration but not really

[open plover]

Should I be scary about it?

[dense agate]

the statement from the letter doesn't tell or imply that there is a foul play behind the demand of money to compensate those who suffered. Saying "in the name of X" doesn't mean there are hidden motives, just that said actions are done for "X"

[feral river]

We are actually not and why you think Xi jinping got angry that people who don’t follow him ?

There’s no any political group/ethnic group/organizations in China able to challenge his leadership

No matter what do you support, radical Mao or western democracy, he don’t care but don’t disrupt the social order

The point is not what you support, the point is any type of support to creating cult of personality or spread propaganda is not tolerated

Some students in Sichuan didn’t say anything but pull out a Palestinian flag and immediately to the police office

Even some cases for example Chongqing, where has rich Maoism atmosphere, their support group allegiance to Mao’s ideology got suppressed

So almost any political activities or activities affiliated political events are under strict regulation mostly banned

It’s not about him or anyone, it’s just a simple rule that do not disrupt the social order

@dense agate

”Stability above all” - Deng Xiaoping

[feral river]

what's the next season of war on terror

[dense agate]

China is a officially an atheist state

"social order" lel

[feral river]

well no where did you got this statement ?

we have 5 legal religion in China, Buddhism, Taoism, Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam

[feral river]

social order is a real thing.

[dense agate]

anything can be disrupting to the "social order" when it comes to authoritarian regimes, one of their main priorities is to maintain the status quo. censorship, dissenting voices, arrests without any legal process,... these are the classic tools used similar regimes, they don't really create actual stability but a superficial one, .he social issues are there, just ignored and silenced.

it's basically a state that is always in panic mode,

[feral river]

we live under authoritarian regime with maintain the status quo, censorships and we are stable and prosperous, we are second largest economy and second most powerful country in the world

[feral river]

I don't see there's any panic in our state

I live in China I send photos of China in here

conversely it's more stable than the west

you won't see some stupid people walking on the street and calling for their own shit in here

everyone's chill and friendly enjoy their life

[dense agate]

and it's not like endorsing personal liberties invite chaos, law and order can exist regardless, saying otherwise is like implying Chinese citizens are unfit to make decisions for themselves, reducing them to mere subjects of a regime, instead of individuals

[feral river]

why you think so ? what's the reason you think Chinese citizen can't make decision by themselves ?

I'm a Chinese citizen I travel globally, I back to China and enjoy my life

I say something how Xi jinping's administration is not going well during covid

[dense agate]

so ? i'm talking about this on an individual and fundamental level, authoritarian regimes can show positive perfromance in metrics like economics, science, etc...

[feral river]

I have my CCP friend usually talking with me about politics

[feral river]

it doesn't exist

or we don't care because you said "we are live in a panic"

that's a bullshit

even most people in here say you guys are live in a panic

and I see there's a lot of mess, drug problems, illegal immigrants, homeless people all around the city

it's like zombies walking on the street

we don't have any of these problems

[thorny steeple]

what r yall yapping about?

[dense agate]

lel, nice strawman, reconstruct what i said as you see fit, basically replying to your own version of it

[feral river]

no that's a simple statement based on yours which is "we are live in a panic"

[dense agate]

these last 6 messages you sent are literally irrelevant

[feral river]

and we don't live in a panic while some people in here questions you guys live in a panic

[dense agate]

show me where i said that please

[dense agate]

where i exactly said you guys live in panic

[feral river]

that's what you have said

[dense agate]

now witness how i said "a state taht is always in panic mode"

the State

[feral river]

what ?

[dense agate]

the authoritarian state

[feral river]

wym by authoritarian state ?

[dense agate]

don't you know the difference between state and the citizen ?

[feral river]

why put state on the opposite of the people ?

I don't understand why

[dense agate]

wdym ? the state isn't the people

[feral river]

there's no state there's no people

yeah but state is with the people

people love state, state going well and bring propserity to people

that's the model

[dense agate]

the state, as in the regime, as in the government with it's agencies

[feral river]

that's the authority if you mean

you mean may authority misbehave and against people

[dense agate]

yes but not always strictly called the authority

jesus

[feral river]

but things are not happening in China

[dense agate]

go back to what i said, put it in context

i was talking in a more fundamental level, how authoritarian regimes are, and gave the analogy as if they were always in panic mode

[feral river]

wait I just don't get it why you guys always assume the state is not working or working opposite against the majority of people's will ?

where does that assumption comes from

[dense agate]

they are always looking for threat to so called "social order", censoring and oppressing whoever and whatever they deem as a threat

[feral river]

social order is real thing

if there's no social order who is going to maintain the security, who is going to take responsibility, who is going to solve the problems

it's not a mess chaos anarchy

every country have its social order

[dense agate]

i didn't talk about this point

[feral river]

I don't see there's any necessarity to against our will to maintain the social order

even most people support it

we support more cameras, we support more censorship to make sure some people won't do crime

[dense agate]

yes, when we say authoritarian regimes are bad, it's because we're anarchist who seek chaos, there is no order outside of authoritarian regimes

[feral river]

there's order but you guys don't maintain it and we do

that's why you see homeless people, you see drug problems, you see zombies on the street

and bunch of people against the state that's the reason you see those stuff

because you didn't enforce your social order, that's your problem

and you are blaming us to have solved those problem

[dense agate]

why are you generalizing, and who is this "you guys", and wtf is wrong with being against the state

[dense agate]

yea we really just jeally of china

[feral river]

how tf you can being against the state ?

is there anyone live without a state

in arctica ?

[dense agate]

jeez, you can be against your own state for example because you disagree with it's actions, so you're free to express you disapproval

[feral river]

no the heck that's crazy and insane

okay that's insane

[dense agate]

how ?

[feral river]

that's betrayal of your state

[dense agate]

is it so wild for you to imagine that

[feral river]

that's so wild yeah I'm sure

[dense agate]

??

[feral river]

and literally no benefit for doing that

what's the benefit to against the state's will ?

I don't see it

[dense agate]

betrayel ? how is the government can be kept in check if you're not allowed to criticize it and show resentment against it

[feral river]

what you can have benefit from against it

what any possible you can have benefit from against the state's will ?

that's crazy

anarchist would say

[shy summit]

The state has no will, the only will is that of those in power. When you say state, what you really mean is the dictator of the country.

[feral river]

for communist utopia ?

[shy summit]

A state has no will. People have will.

[feral river]

no it's a political entity called government and the party

[dense agate]

state isn't ruled by gods, but by other humans, who can be corrupted, incompetent,... being able to express your disapproval is for the sake of your country so it can improve

[feral river]

government and the party make decisions not only the supreme leader

[shy summit]

A state is a tool, it wishes for nothing, desires nothing.

[feral river]

if the supreme leader gonna decide everything he will be tired to do all the stuff 😂

he's a human

[shy summit]

Thus the many, many blunders of China’s recent decades.

No state is perfect

[feral river]

state is a real entity that includes a group of people stick together

also they are the supreme authority of a region

[feral river]

that's a totally anarchist idea not a socialist one

[shy summit]

Just don’t pretend by hiding behind words like region or state, you and I both know the individuals who call the shots in that particular country

Men make these choices.

[feral river]

individuals live in the state

[shy summit]

Not some abstract system devoid of emotion.

[feral river]

outside the border you see everything different

because their supreme authority changed

even it's 1 inch

[shy summit]

Men are the same no matter where you go.

[feral river]

that's how state works don't pretend you have your state problem to blame on certain individuals

individual live in the state

there's almost no anyone who don't live in a state

[shy summit]

Oh trust me, China has serious problems with its system. Don’t get me wrong, but its men that make the individual choices that I condemn too.

[feral river]

you live in USA I live in China you follow the US law I follow Chinese law

[feral river]

well you can give a further explaination

[shy summit]

Trust me I give my own country plenty of smoke too so this isn’t me taking things out on China.

[feral river]

if you wanna say we have a corruption problem, fair

[shy summit]

Human rights issues, equity issues, abuse of systemic authority?

[feral river]

or our economy isn't going so well as you can see

[feral river]

well western human rights we don't follow that

[shy summit]

Sure but to an extent every state has some corruption.

[feral river]

we don't have a thing called universal values I already explained to you before

[shy summit]

It’s not a Western Standard. Its a Human Standard

[feral river]

that's literally not

that's a western standard

[shy summit]

Torture without due process is a universal violation.

[feral river]

we even condemn the western models of how universal values help them spread propaganda and destroy the state

[dawn dagger]

uhhhhhhhh

[shy summit]

China signed the Geneva Convention

[feral river]

well that was a problem I would say but not so much as you think

[feral river]

Republic of China

[dense agate]

yes, the chinese state telling you that you wanting personal liberties, better representation in the government is Western propaganda meant to destroy the nation

[feral river]

People's Republic of China rejected and repealed all unequal treaties that signed by ROC and previous dynasties

that's what we have since our country founded

[shy summit]

I’m not even talking about freedom I’m talking about torture and incarceration psychological abuse all done without due process.

[feral river]

no I have personal liberties and we have representation in the government, a lot of people join the CCP and even my friend

or I will join PLA probably in the future idk if I got a deal

[shy summit]

Idk why you keep bringing up your CCP friend.

[feral river]

well yes that's a problem I agree with you but only rare cases

[shy summit]

Millions of cases is not rare

[feral river]

and some process without so-called due process is incorrect because we have our party discipline system that cross the state's law

so it's not under jurisdiction

[shy summit]

As of current count (2017-18) its over a million.

Thats just the ones officially recorded in the system currently

[feral river]

well... that's not true most cases has trail not opening to the western journalists, and some are public ones

especially sentence some terrorists those are the real justice cases

[shy summit]

Its CHINA’s reported data

🤣

[feral river]

you can show me

[shy summit]

Not playing the link tag game again, it never gets us anywhere

[feral river]

well I would say it has conflict okay ? isn't it fair

I basically agree with justice without trail is not a good thing

[shy summit]

Even non Chinese intelligences estimate the population of this demographic to be over one million occupants.

Given the intricacies of Chinese justice systems in this regard are known, well…

Its a big issue

Look the USA ain’t clean either

We had a similar situation a couple years back

[feral river]

not as sophisticated as you think actually most cases for example civil issues are practiced in the court

[shy summit]

Had an island where we did the same thing, the only difference was that we only had a few hundred not hundreds of thousands

[feral river]

only political stuff and party's issue were not justiced within a court

that's just because our political system is different

so just don't put it together and you will see how this system works

and don't assume state power is above the party or general secretary it's not

[shy summit]

No punishment should ever be given without a proper hearing.

Thats just common sense

[feral river]

you can't even figure out which power is on the higher ground between the state and the party that's what I'm always saying

you just need to know they are together, they belongs to only one authority

[feral river]

true I agree with you

[shy summit]

Except that’s the reality of a one party system

[feral river]

well that's it I would say

honestly to say not really bad

you may blame they get rid of partially civil liberties and not granting you as much as privacy and other stuff but everything is normal and working properly at least we don't have that social problems in the US and Europe

at least I can accept that if I give out my personal liberty to have a better stable or even prosperous society

[shy summit]

Challengers that present political differentiation aren’t given the respect in court.

In these systems you find that your political opponents somehow fall out the window of a hospital building while in a coma, or somehow shoot themselves in the back of the head three times in a suicide attempt.

[feral river]

no one want to live in a place that the next second you may counter robbery or gun shot

[shy summit]

We need only look to other examples like Russia, or North Korea.

[feral river]

okay that's do that

Russia always having a lot of problems, oligarchs pretty classic

[bitter sedge]

Can confirm

[feral river]

well the challengers that present political differentiation are not toleranted in an authoritarian system

[shy summit]

The same issues that plague China can be found to greater or lesser extents in other countries with single party systems though China is something of a Capitalist hybrid

[feral river]

that's not a problem but how it works if they want succeed the power they need to follow the parties election system not against it

[bitter sedge]

I might not be understanding this conversation fully since I haven't read where it started but don't you think it's best for people to be able to at least somewhat influence the government?

[feral river]

to a certain extent I would say capitalism influenced us a lot

[bitter sedge]

Or do you just focus on wanting it to be stable with one thing?

[shy summit]

Indeed though it may actually lead to China’s military collapse… for the second time.

[feral river]

you mean the tiananmen thing ?

[shy summit]

Taiwan has recently called for US aid and congress is sending it.

No I’n talking about how the Japanese bodied China prior to US involvement in WW2

[feral river]

well if you think our military is not good let's see how Korean war works

recently I get to the international ceremory park in South Korea, Busan

[shy summit]

You realize that the only reason the US left was because they got bored right….?

[dense agate]

that's mostly why many nations endorse such regimes, in the name of security (i.e: middle east), but that doesn't mean democracy and good liberties can coexist with a good stability, there are many liberal countries with low crime rates and good safety measures.

[shy summit]

They were literally farming men and armor for XP before we decided we were done dude.

[feral river]

not really we have statistics that US soldier suffered from Korean war and Chinese advancements

also you guys even built a museum of korean war displays the misbehave of US soldier against communist forces

[shy summit]

True true, can’t let any war crime go unremembered

[feral river]

and the first thing is, some american soldiers captured by Chinese forces, we offered them a chance to stay live in China and go back to america

[dense agate]

just be happy douglas macarthur didn't get to do the plan he had in mind for that war

[feral river]

a significant amount of US soldiers stayed in China till now they even have their kids

holding Chinese citizenship

[dense agate]

hmmm, must only mean China > USA

[feral river]

well at that time we are the symbol of backward chaos, and macarthur ignored our warning to cross the 38th parallel line that provoked us to interfere the war

and we achieved significant success against U.N. forces led by america

[shy summit]

This isn’t unusual, among any army this is often the case

[feral river]

at that time no matter it's our technology or equippments and supplies we are lagging back a lot than americans

[dense agate]

if Truman didn't fire him, the Korea-Manchuria border would look very different nowadays

[shy summit]

Granted no one should piss off the US… we’re like 50 fuckin’ war tribes…. In a trench coat…. With a defense budget big enough to fight God……

[feral river]

but they still can't defeat us because we have the highest organization degree above all of other militaries that even a company that suffer causualties above 113% without collapse

that's a huge thing because even Japanese have their 50% of organizations against americans which means above 50% of casualties they will collapse

but our organizations are averagely above 70%

even we have backward weapons some doesn't even have enough guns

[shy summit]

The fact that this fucking thing was a possibility at one point is what you get when you hand a florida man a lab coat and a bottomless defense budget and tell him you want him to build the scariest thing with wings since the cretaceous period…

https://youtu.be/FXTR-QNGUt0?si=C9munNQbKHqr62O2

[feral river]

facing attack when america throw their bombs throughout the Korea and the Northeast China to attack our supply chain

[shy summit]

Like what kind of drugs was peeps on back then holy fucking speed

[feral river]

we basically achieved significant success and finally signed the fair cease-fire treaty with the most powerful country in the world and UN forces

that's a huge success for us, that's the first war interfered PRC

that's the reason we didn't assemble our amies to retake the Taiwan

so in conclusion is possibly our armies is god damn well and maybe not so advanced than yours but for spirit and organizations we are the best

that's how we fight the Korean war, we fight Soviets, we fight India, we against Japan, Vietnam, and USA

[feral river]

not really probably california will in vain or somewhere like Japan, western Europe will all in vain and we too, Soviets yes

[feral river]

well the point is I don't see democracy is doing well conversely it waste much resources created a chance to exploit our state and people

[median temple]

How to be sigma

[dreamy venture]

Secret

[solid dawn]

Damn

[merry grove]

Oh my Allah

😱

Israel is relentless. It must be stopped immediately

[thorny steeple]

something serious going on here 💀😮

[dreamy venture]

It really serious

On this night in Lebanon died 70+ civil people

World need to stop Israel

[thorny steeple]

sheesh 🫥

[dreamy venture]

?

[thorny steeple]

reaction

[dreamy venture]

Ok i got u

[chrome shell]

Hmmm

[feral river]

by hezbollah ?

what a good job they got their head

[feral river]

that's the paycheck of intimidate a power

[dreamy venture]

By Israel

[thorny steeple]

@quartz nest share me your believe as a shia and what's tawheed according to your aqeedah?

[quartz nest]

But on condition of adhering to the manners of dialogue

[thorny steeple]

Okay sure

I just wanna know your believe as a shia

[dreamy venture]

Ahi u are shia?

[thorny steeple]

I'm also shia

[dreamy venture]

U from arab countries?

[quartz nest]

am a Muslim believes in only one god Allah that it

but i don't know how u even discovered that topic and ur Arabic not good
it should be good cuz more important things in Quran and suna

[quartz nest]

yes but pls don't inter this discussion cuz i already have one guy to discuss with

[dreamy venture]

Ok I'm just wondering, all Muslims are the same for me

[quartz nest]

ty for ur cooperation

if u have another question am always here @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

No

[quartz nest]

I add to that the excuse of being late in replying to the circumstances of both sides
And in the end this dialogue is nice to get to know the doctrine @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Sure sure akhu

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[static pivot]

@hoary cliff what

[feral river]

https://en.as.com/videos/chemical-explosion-triggers-mass-evacuation-as-toxic-cloud-looms-over-conyers-georgia-v/?pbsvideo=top

@shy summit what's going on in Georgia ?

[quartz nest]

just for ur info i don't have any question about u
so u have to begin asking

[median temple]

We should rename it racist-chat

[thorny steeple]

Yeah it's alright

We'll discuss it later InshALLAH

[quartz nest]

InshALLAH any time

[manic juniper]

Anyone here ever broadcasted/streamed something on YouTube?

[fallen summit]

I did, was gaming only.

[manic juniper]

How do you delete a broadcast? Do you need to do it on desktop or something else?

[fallen summit]

You can do that from your an app called youtube studio

[manic juniper]

Ok thanks, I don't understand why it was so difficult to have the option on the default app since it's doable with other videos

[fallen summit]

This app was created to ease your control over your channel. If you’re an active user there or not. It also helps you to track your revenue, viewers, watch time and even ads.

[median temple]

Lol

[fallen summit]

I’ve never tried from the default app, but youtube studio was created for “partners” let’s say. Since it’s for the ones who upload etc..

[fallen summit]

I think it is more useless data for the majority of Youtube users actually, let’s have an example of 100000 random person. 3 of them would be youtubers 😂

[manic juniper]

There is a live section in the manage videos feature of the default YouTube app, but if you click on it it's empty. It makes no sense to even include it

Also it's weird because the default app let me delete or edit my lives IF I was spectating them while streaming

[fallen summit]

I don’t exactly know how it functions, I used to be a PUBG mobile streamer. Then I’ve decided to sell my channel, I have never used default youtube on phone for editing or anything else, I was using browser not the app sometimes. But yeah, apps have their stupid design sometimes!

[slender coral]

Have you talked to him about your feelings?

[static pivot]

@manic juniper @fallen summit what's your English level?

[manic juniper]

I didn't say they are...?

[manic juniper]

Maybe C1

[hoary cliff]

what

[slender coral]

Damn bro is so handsome that he's making me consider returning to Islam

[fallen summit]

I am A2 why?

[rose eagle]

Hallellujah!!!

[copper oriole]

Haliloyaaaa

[static pivot]

Here's a little quote for you

"Send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."

Try to explain this quote

[manic juniper]

Why

[rigid rampart]

Can I try it?

[unique light]

Sure

[static pivot]

Yes

[rigid rampart]

Should’ve thought before I have written that😂

[unique light]

If someone else suffers or dies, it affects everyone, including me (or you), because we are all connected

[manic juniper]

It applies to me with extinct reptiles

[rigid rampart]

I think even for natives that’s difficult to explain🥲

[unique light]

Metallica - For Whom
the Bell Tolls

[rigid rampart]

The bell tolls for those who don’t know that it’s for them

[rigid rampart]

@static pivot How would you explain it?

[manic juniper]

iseal's explanation is the correct one

[real monolith]

No

[real monolith]

You’re right

[rigid rampart]

Sounds nice to me

[rigid rampart]

Interesting 🤔👍

[rigid rampart]

Maybe it’s right, but it’s without any interpretation so also not much explanation…

[thorny steeple]

may i?

[unique light]

😬

[real monolith]

No, You’re right

[static pivot]

The phrase "send not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee" comes from a 1624 meditation by the English poet John Donne, in Devotions upon Emergent Occasions. The "bell" refers to a funeral bell, traditionally rung to announce someone's death.

Donne's message emphasizes the interconnectedness of humanity. He suggests that when a death occurs, it affects everyone, not just the deceased's immediate circle. We should not ask "for whom the bell tolls," because ultimately, the loss is a shared human experience. In a broader sense, it implies that any person's death diminishes us all, because we are all part of the same human community.

[static pivot]

Quite good

[slender coral]

Muslims always say that the Qur'an level of eloquence is miraculous and shit but the book is so fucking unbelievably boring. With Arabs, you'd find that it's only Arab Muslims who would praise it, Arabs who aren't Muslims never enjoy it. I'm also pretty sure that many Arab Muslims find it boring as well and would enjoy poetry more than it.

[median temple]

Its my last day on this server

How do I make it memorable

Ughh its gonna be boring i guess

[unique light]

Why?

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-yoda-how-embarassing-thats-so-embarrassing-embarassing-gif-17362984

[manic juniper]

It's pretty repetitive

[slender coral]

Yea

[dapper laurel]

I believe there is some truth in what they say. In fact, one of the richest men in Arabia (Muhammad) had all the means to write a sacred text that was almost excellent

[slender coral]

Excellent? How so?

[manic juniper]

It contains information that was outdated by the time it was written, like the knowledge on embryology

[slender coral]

Yea but that's not relevant to the point about eloquence right now

[manic juniper]

Not only it's very incorrect but it wasn't even in line with the knowledge of his times, feels like he got it from some backwater village doctor

[dapper laurel]

In the Quran it is said that the sun and the moon cannot collide because they are in different orbits from earth

[manic juniper]

But it also says that the Earth is a carpet and the mountains keep it pinned down or something

[amber kite]

hello sir i have an assignment from my lecturer to have a 15-20 minute conversation with native english speaker

if you are interested in helping me, you can dm me.

thanks in advance 🙂

[thorny steeple]

[dapper laurel]

The form in which it was written is quite correct

[slender coral]

Wdym

[dapper laurel]

Christian theology is a real mess instead

[slender coral]

It being better than something in comparison, assuming that this thing is really worse than it, doesn't mean it is good.

Idk much about Christianity but I know for sure that Quran is a boring shallow book.

[slender coral]

hi

[dapper laurel]

I know, but being a more recent holy book, in some ways it is also much more accurate in several aspects

[slender coral]

Are you a Muslim?

[dapper laurel]

No

[slender coral]

ohh

I left Islam a couple of years ago. Over the years I've come to realize that it's honestly a pretty harmful religion. Don't get me wrong there are a lot of good Muslim folk out there, but most of them don't truly follow Qur'an and Sunnah. Those who truly follow them are what they call "the extremists".

[manic juniper]

Where are you from

Luckily most people I've met in real life are unlike those that are active online, or at least they hide their true tendencies quite well

[dapper laurel]

That's really sad, I guess

[slender coral]

And extremism in the Muslim world seems to be very special, it's so friggin' common. The only countries that punish leaving their religion by death are Muslim countries, and most Muslim countries have harsh laws against blasphemy and any form of critical expression against Islam. Religious minorities often struggle in those countries, they struggle of discriminating laws, and mob violence. People in my country just barely tolerate Christians and think that they are super religiously tolerant like that, as if they reached the height of religious tolerance because they accept the mere existence of Christians.

[slender coral]

Egypt

[manic juniper]

I've read articles on that, an Egyptian here told me it's not the case even though I showed some evidence of mob violence that's usually instigated by third parties

Maybe that's why people tend to live in more isolated communities

[slender coral]

It happens often, and it is wild. I don't blame that person who told you that tho, the awareness about these issues is very weak. I learnt about many cases where mob violence caused Christian families and communities to move out of villages and neighborhoods, this has been happening for decades and I've just come to know about that a year ago or something.

Our shameful media just burry such stories.

The army boot lickers

The army isn't Islamist or anything, they are secular to some extent, but the mfs don't want to be embarrassed by such cases, so they don't cover them. They control most of our media outlets so if they don't want to cover something, it just goes under the radar. And a big chunk of people on the ground don't care about whatever happens to Christians, so you basically have a recipe for an endless suffering of a minority.

[manic juniper]

There is some kind of idealism about the status of minorities in many countries, as if their lives are much safer than how it really is

[manic juniper]

Are there acts of vandalism too?

[slender coral]

Yeah. They often burn their houses.

Afaik, that happens in villages.

[real monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-anakin-skywalker-if-youre-not-with-me-then-youre-my-enemy-hayden-christensen-gif-18489728

[manic juniper]

There always was something that drew my attention about Egypt but there seems to be no answer whatsoever about it online

I should ask an historian that knows about it since not even Egyptians seen to know

[slender coral]

In big cities, they do something that I call "social pressure" to force Christian families to leave. They harass them til they have enough and move elsewhere.

[slender coral]

What's that?

[manic juniper]

The Coptic language, I don't understand how it died out

And the script too of course, they're liturgical languages only now. with Latin it makes sense because it didn't really die, it just evolved into different languages. Meanwhile Coptic only survived in few words

[real monolith]

I heard that it got replaced by the Arabic language.

[manic juniper]

It did

[slender coral]

Try to ask here
https://www.reddit.com/r/coptic/

[manic juniper]

I can try

[slender coral]

I can't ask myself because I'm banned from Reddit.

[real monolith]

Lmao why?

Have you read the whole Quran?

[slender coral]

Saying that the Muslim community is bad or something, I don't remember.

[slender coral]

Yeah, multiple times.

It's kinda essential in Ramadan you know, that you تختم القرآن.

I used to do it once, in some years.

I was mostly forced by my family to do that lol
Reading Quran is torture. I really enjoyed picking up my Arabic school book and read poetic verses that we were taught more. I'm not a poetry guy but it's really significantly better than the Qur'an.

[main bison]

guyzoo

i heard some missles sound

its a boom

[real monolith]

Cool

[slender coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-gif-25498247

[real monolith]

That’s quite a generalization, don’t you think?

I mean, have you visited any other places or countries?

I bet most of the people from all religions are pretty nice( like 99%) and that remaining 1% is kinda bad ig

[slender coral]

Sorta, but I think it's a fair one giving how laws and norms regarding religion are pretty similar across many different Muslim countries, even ones with different languages and cultures.

[real monolith]

Okay

[manic juniper]

Do you know Apostate Aladdin? It's an ex Muslim YouTube channel

[slender coral]

Yea

[rugged vigil]

Who will stop the madmen who are fomenting a new world war in front of our eyes?

[real monolith]

Nope

[slender coral]

I like the dude, very polite and smart.

[slender coral]

I'd recommend this video from him
https://youtu.be/5gOX-pr5N28?si=C2OoFZ2hzRbobM1c

[real monolith]

I will check it out later

[umbral girder]

Some intersting here ?

[slender coral]

If you think religious discussions are interesting then yes. Start from here:
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[main bison]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1181285647055589488/1290719409727471636/VID_20241001_201816.mp4?ex=66fd7b9f&is=66fc2a1f&hm=65ce74f2d8c0e3ee055f5c55d6b5d21093de719d3cbc6a049884f5714edc78cf&

thats a missle

[slender coral]

Where do you live?

[main bison]

Iran

[slender coral]

Mhm

[slender coral]

Are you a regime supporter or anti regime?

[main bison]

anti

[umbral girder]

Well, religious discussions is good to understand each other, but here and at least 99% places in the world, it's to see who is more "religious"

So, i like to watch Alirezja playing chess

[umbral girder]

WTH

[slender coral]

Wdym?

[real monolith]

Holy shit man

[forest patio]

Ana dammi falastiniii

[thorny steeple]

DAMN It's raining missiles

[shy summit]

Someone stop letting Netanyahu cook. He keeps igniting the gunpowder desert.

[peak shale]

@thorny steeple Amrica behind everything

[latent hatch]

Hello guys

[slender coral]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

sup neighbour

[shy summit]

America is defending its military ally that surprises you?

[peak shale]

Nah, just imagining consequences of Iran, like what they did to hezbollah

[lusty sleet]

Ordo ab chao

The notion behind everything

[manic juniper]

Did you record this?

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[main bison]

yeah

[dapper laurel]

Good luck brother

[slender coral]

Someone in Palestine recorded a video of the missiles reaching Israel.

He is with us in the server, the dude who sent the video is the one who recorded it.
#1006558890315497534 message

[manic juniper]

Corridors are one of the safest places in case they bomb back

[manic juniper]

Maybe more rockets should be fired around the world at night

[main bison]

im not gonna sleep there

[main bison]

thanks

[manic juniper]

Move there if you hear bombs next to your home

[dapper laurel]

So your country is officially at war with Israel?

[chrome shell]

https://youtu.be/PUYMvYcz3ZI?si=cIENvwZgvf-TZZhQ

Did you watched this?

[dapper laurel]

If that's the case, if I were you I'd lie about my age, sign up and go fight

[main bison]

i dont think so
They have lunched a same attack before

[main bison]

nah israel even if they wanted to bomb somewhere it would be necular stations

not just a random home in a random city

[dapper laurel]

But 200 missiles is no small thing, they are not letters to deliver

[verbal torrent]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

[next lava]

https://www.mineralcup.org/2024/vote/r5m1
guys pls vote for kyanite, its the final match

thanks

[thorny steeple]

True

[thorny steeple]

Don't overthink it

[rugged vigil]

Israel, which has killed 40,000 Palestinians and more than a thousand Lebanese in less than a year, suddenly announced to the world community that it was attacked.

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/9wj6SgEqmkc?si=amrMu3-UnBS5-inO

Iran or Israel
Messi or Ronaldo

[rugged vigil]

Im not familiar with football players

[thorny steeple]

Same

[thorny steeple]

Same

[forest patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/755192482966405160.gif?size=48&name=WaddlingDuck&quality=lossless

[verbal torrent]

Can’t stop myself
Im fed up with greedy people

Always war wtf

[rugged vigil]

Terrors on both sides?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

It's always the Way

[thorny steeple]

Realpolitik

[rugged vigil]

I am sure that the right people on both sides dont want this war, they are being forced to do it from a third party.

Who could it be? Let me think about it... Hmm

maybe this is someone who is in dire need of making money on weapons and other scarce goods?

[thorny steeple]

Yes maybe

[last geyser]

hi guys

[unique light]

gg pal

[unique light]

Hi

[shy summit]

I’m going to be the next one to say it that defending genocide, be it in China, Palestine, Israel, or anywhere else in the world is going to get you a swift kick in the ass from the server.

The same goes for the advocacy of genocide.

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

I’m going to be the next one to say it that defending genocide, be it in Britain, America, and France or anywhere else in the world is going to get you a swift kick in the ass from the server

The same goes for the advocacy of genocide.

[shy summit]

That goes without saying

[feral river]

That goes without hopefully saying that’s better to shut it yall all the genocide talks

Don’t accuse other people or their country by genocide if you don’t want a problem

Nobody supports in case of genocide but no one also gives a shit of accusations by genocide

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[shy summit]

I don’t think you caught the context….

Iran just fired aprox 200 missiles at Israel

[smoky pagoda]

💀

[shy summit]

It felt prudent to say something before the anti-semites did

[feral river]

State against state is not a fucking genocide

You can’t say they got a war that’s genocidial

[shy summit]

No but I am already having to deal with people calling for ‘death to ***’ all over

[feral river]

Good job

[shy summit]

Discussing the conflict is fine,

Advocating for deaths of civilians is not

[feral river]

Nice that’s what I want to hear

[manic juniper]

I don't think Russia is involved

[shy summit]

Iran and Russia have had talks of dealings recently, as had the likes of North Korea and Russia, granted that’s cause Russia needs fodder to test for land mines since they don’t have metal detectors.

In all seriousness Russia is trying to avoid open conflict, Iran is its proxy in some ways

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[thorny steeple]

Iran and russia sigma
USA and israel gay

Lol i'm fkin cringe

[prisma cipher]

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[thorny steeple]

But that's fact

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/pick-me-blake-shelton-the-voice-choose-me-over-here-gif-13769512883612602744

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OK OK professional analysis

[shy summit]

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[thorny steeple]

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[manic juniper]

Only Greece is sigma

And Cyprus

[prisma cipher]

[ancient fractal]

That's isn't real

[thorny steeple]

K24 is lie

Idk idk

@dapper laurel Good evening

[slender coral]

Saying that unarmed civilians shouldn't be targeted is such a controversial hot take

[feral river]

I agree unarmed civilians needs to evac immediately from the war zone

otherwise what they are waiting is the care from the sky, sea and ground with little sparks on their homes

[slender coral]

Imagine attacking civilian areas killing hundreds of them and claim that you are the hero.

[feral river]

Imagine put the military structure and facilities within the civilian buildings and launch missiles to attack opponents civilian residential area.

[slender coral]

lol

[feral river]

that's pretty civilian

[slender coral]

The papers that they wrote international law on are a waste. They should donate it as toilet paper.

[feral river]

how about just let it go separate with armed conflict and civilian conflict ? we will see how it goes

[feral river]

it always

[slender coral]

I'd really like a mortal kombat tournament to resolve political conflicts between leaders and politicians.

[feral river]

that's a good idea actually! LMAO

they are the side hiding behind them and encourage them to fight on the ground while drinking wine with their ladies

[shy summit]

Maybe… not…. I get its a joke but over here people are legitimately considering that

[slender coral]

I got banned from a Discord server for non-religious Egyptians for saying that Hamas actions aren't justifiable lol

The take that killing unarmed civilians is bad is legit a very controversial one.

[sonic lion]

I mean it’s a polarizing world

Being rational is threatening

[slender coral]

That's real

It kinda saddened me honestly, I was a member there for years and the community kinda had a place in my heart. Mfs didn't even warn me.

[echo flower]

Guys

GUYS

[slender coral]

WHAT

[slender coral]

What

[echo flower]

Present perfect 😭

[slender coral]

You want someone to explain it to you?

[echo flower]

Yeah….

[sonic lion]

I know how it feels, specially such unfair conditions

Feeling like you lost a comfort place is so sad

[slender coral]

It was especially comforting for me. Idk if you know about this or not, but non-religious people in Egypt aren't tolerated. So, it meant more than a Discord server for me. It makes the situation crazier too because of how the people these mods defend are the people who hate them and the rest of us the most.

[feral river]

that's their political correctness, a powerful, influential Israel has literally no benefit to their state and their people

we must know about a fact which is people do have difference such as races, nationalities and ethnicities even gender and other stuff, when we are living a society that brings people together separately that the people who sharing the common factors they are likely to be together and naturally against what the other traits they are not practicing.

with modern days supreme authority of government and state or even party, it's unjustified to use only people to represent the interest of most people.

so there's a case that we have our common sense that we know something terrible happing upon some group of people while it doesn't really affect you that much even based on your interest/your national interest you would need to continue to do this.

that's the objective truth, and people do defend their own interest more than anything.

government, state do so, that's why some region like Egypt they are struggling to against it in any possible ways while americans sending their weapons and bomb the shit out there, and we just see and do business with everyone

@shy summit that's why I'm always saying that it's not what it should be but it's what it always will be.

so, that's the conflict, the conflict between two powers represent their own people's interest and they fight against each other as normal in a war.

nothing really special, in history and in modern days

even their own interest are not crossed in some term of allies for instance the Egypt and the Iran

and that's why I'm repeating the EU is a potential threat of the US.

people, intellectual lives, or in terms of mammals, or some carbon-based species, a joke

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Q5DJTDyoQ

[smoky pagoda]

Isn't this allowed everywhere?

[shy summit]

No… its allowed nowhere

Its a violation of international law

[thorny steeple]

And national law in anywhere

[sonic lion]

What country is this?

[thorny steeple]

England's colony that isn't anymore

[feral river]

law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper

[feral river]

based on state policies for instance Poland they just simply shoot them

we do electric fences with machine guns

that's why our country stay safe without zombies in San Francisco

"who's gonna win in US, what do you think ? it's going to be Kamala or Trump ? kamala hopefully. LMAO there you go thank you very much"

"they support leftists in the US, why they want Kamala to win when they are not happy about safety in Italy because of illegal migration ?" Dominik Tarczynski

what are anything still justified when they are messing up everything by their tone of their version of tolerance and sympathy to give the people's interest to illegals ?

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[weary belfry]

Do Palestinians fall into what you mean by the Jewish community?

[thorny steeple]

[weary belfry]

Who sets this target

I asked abt people who chose the Jewish community

Which country or

Oh, sorry. You said that the target was determined in the Jewish communities. Who determined this target?

[feral river]

yeah Hamas I guess

sure they are in the Jewish communities

in the State of Israel which is the only sovereignty state in this region

[weary belfry]

I understood. Thanks you guys for answerin'

[feral river]

no problem you're welcome

[thorny steeple]

Iran has the right to defend itself.

xD

[feral river]

Israel has the right to defend itself 🤣

xD

you can clearly see who's gun is bigger and powerful

[weary belfry]

I don't think this is right tbh. It's really sad that smth happened between the presidents/officials or whatever of them and it spreads to innocent civilians

[thorny steeple]

Lol. I'm happy you understood the joke.

[feral river]

I don't even need to mention it

[feral river]

you are welcome

[thorny steeple]

I mean. I'm not in any way justifying Iran's actions. But predominantly, Israelis are incredibly psychopathic.

[weary belfry]

Politics and wars are very dirty swamps. Once you sink into them, you can never get out of them
We can't figure out who is innocent and who is not. Everyone says something different

[feral river]

maybe some of them are trolling and acting as foreign agents to try to attract accusations against their enemies

if I'm a spy of Hamas, I'm sure that I'm gonna wave the Israeli flag and say kill them all

not totally surprised

that number of people can represent nothing but a bunch of crap @thorny steeple

Just gonna remind you

that trick is playing all the time throughout the human history

spread propaganda, spies on each other, exploit people

that's just too classic

[thorny steeple]

Yeah. Some Palestinians are pretty... weird. But I've never seen an Israeli who does not support any of the massacres Israel have committed. They've objected to let humanitarian aids enter Gaza despite the extreme famine Gazans (civilians) have been suffering from for months.
https://youtube.com/shorts/cVsIL5IiLNM?si=8Q4UvoNroggHsrqn

[feral river]

I got at least 4 cases of how is this happening

@thorny steeple this is your middle east eye

very funny and impressive

wilder than CCTV

CCTV can't even do all of those 🤣

[thorny steeple]

I mean, this is not even objection. It's an outright protest against the rescue of men, women, and children who are suffering from extreme famine. Many Palestinians have succumbed to the lack of nutrition and medication, especially children. This doesn't look so innocent to me.

How do they know?

[feral river]

under Hamas rule

pretty correct.

I didn't see people in West Bank suffering the Israeli Palestinians

the people who live under the Hamas rule suffered, why ?

20% of muslim population in Israel suffered ? I don't see there's any

[thorny steeple]

Do I seem like someone advertising for the Middle East Eye? I've provided a primary source evidence that, predominantly, Israelis are people with psychopathic tendencies.

That doesn't have anything to do with who held the camera at that time.

[feral river]

that's your accusations based on what you are trying to interpret you are just casting irrelevent indirect videos as so-called evidence to proof your point which you have no idea on what is it

I never heard once you say something directly on what do you advocate based on this source

this is no clue totally even now

what does that video proof ? it proofs you find a ground with some people with you and pretend they are israelis ?

[thorny steeple]

I mean, despite not advertising for the Middle East Eye. I don't see anything disturbing or is in anyway a gotcha in the screenshot you've provided. Israel is an offensive occupation and it's very natural that regular human beings will be against it.

[feral river]

that's what you are trying to advocate not me why would I required to provide any source to make a simple question ?

I can't proof a negative being

like how I can't proof god exists

[thorny steeple]

Wouldn't that justify Iran's action as well? After all, the civilians they've targeted are under the Israeli government rule. 🤷‍♂️

[feral river]

also I don't see there's an offensive occupation by Israel happening because they are the only recognized sovereignty state by most countries and by their force under authority

that's how it goes a war because these guys want to get independence from Israel

and Israel won't tolerant the separation forces to divide Israeli territory

just a common war why you are depicting so much ?

[feral river]

well what ? you mean Iran attacked Israeli state so ?

what's your conclusion

you mean Israeli suffered from Israeli government rule ?

[thorny steeple]

It means that the whole Palestinian land is brought back to the Palestinians. What's wrong about it? Palestine is a land that has been occupied for 76 years. Pretty natural slogan if you ask me. 🤷‍♂️

[feral river]

both Hezbollah and Hamas get aid and support by the Iran they are the de facto proxy of Iran

[feral river]

there's no Palestinian land since they lose their war four times

they gonna pay it

you think you can easily have a war without paychecks ?

[rugged vigil]

Radicals on both sides should be stopped, they are a main reason of the war

[feral river]

with everytime they fight Israel for some so-called Palestinian land they lose over and over again till now Palestinian state doesn't exist even

[thorny steeple]

I know what I'm talking about. I've spent months researching these matters.
However, I've been pretty direct in what I mean by these pieces of evidence. Most Israelis suffer from psychopathetic tendencies.

[feral river]

that's what they received from the war against Israel

[feral river]

better than Islamic terrorists for sure if you gonna compare them with your psychopathetic tendencies

[rugged vigil]

who is it that exerts influence and pokes its nose into all countries of the world?

[thorny steeple]

Although Israel hardly lets any humanitarian enters Gaza through the borders. My statement was clear. They do suffer from psychopathic tendencies.

[feral river]

US

that's obvious they do it for their national interest

and every global power do so, US, China, Russia, UK, France

I don't think there's something wrong with it

even they operated carpet bombing in almost every continent in the world

that's for americans

[thorny steeple]

You didn't make a question. Your statement under the screenshot seemed very much like a "gotcha". Which it isn't.

[feral river]

you mean this one ?

[thorny steeple]

Your lack of basic human intellect has nothing to do with the current topic.

[feral river]

"gotcha" ?

[rugged vigil]

How many guns the terrors bought from China, Russia? I think the main supporter, sponsor and beneficiar is US (i mean the corporates and funds owners, not a civil people)

[feral river]

you lack of basic human intelligence and it influence the current topic that you can't comprehend yourself

[feral river]

well... that's the global market if you gonna blame on them, I have no idea because the market is open as always

they sell weapons normally they took profit benefit themselves very good

[thorny steeple]

I mean that justifying the attack on civilians by means of pointing out what government is ruling is a pretty weak argument.

[feral river]

well it is 🤣 if Hamas surrender right now I'm sure they won't suffer anymore

if Nazi Germany surrendered earlier, German won't die much from American bombs and Soviet advancements