🧠｜serious-chat

[slate hornet]

Delelu

[ornate siren]

Could I be a sigma tester instead?

[full bramble]

Discord is primarily a gaming audience, that's why we take people here for our game

[formal pilot]

Double it and give it to the next person you see

[thorny steeple]

sigma tester ?

[thorny steeple]

[formal pilot]

Wth

[ornate siren]

They have "beta tester" on their list...

[full bramble]

All in PM

[slate hornet]

If they fail to win any arguement they will directly jump on ur family . Or they will start speaking in their language

[ornate siren]

But it's AM here, at the moment.

[thorny steeple]

haven't seen any science talks recently

[formal pilot]

I'm waiting for this ngl

[slate hornet]

Then u should debate with yeet 🤣

[ornate siren]

That stuff used to happen when I talked in here.

[formal pilot]

Let's start it

[thorny steeple]

you are here rn

[slate hornet]

U can share anything if u want to

[formal pilot]

What y'all think about free will?

[thorny steeple]

checkmate

[formal pilot]

If free will doesn't exists, why we have prisoners

[slate hornet]

Why to think about it everybody does have

[ornate siren]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-how-it-works-disagree-contradict-counter-concern-gif-12425344

[slate hornet]

Because we made laws and four walls to keep them in

[formal pilot]

We playing Jenga

[ornate siren]

I'm compatibilistic

[formal pilot]

Elaborate

@thorny steeple we chatting philosophy

[ornate siren]

Too tired

There goes your philosophy chat.

[thorny steeple]

lol

[formal pilot]

So free will doesn't exists

[slate hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-philosophe-singe-philosophe-santo-sinj-gif-19180659

[formal pilot]

I hate philosophy from bottom of my heart lol

She knows it

[slate hornet]

What do u actually mean by free will??

[ornate siren]

Then there's no use talking with you about it.

[slate hornet]

How can a person hate philosophy??

[ornate siren]

Really?

[formal pilot]

power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions
(Google)

[formal pilot]

That's my philosophy

[thorny steeple]

hmm

[formal pilot]

Im trying to be more open minded

[ornate siren]

Good job

[thorny steeple]

lmao

[formal pilot]

Technically plant pp

[thorny steeple]

pp ?

[ornate siren]

Male body-sword

[thorny steeple]

is it what i think it is

[ornate siren]

Yes

[formal pilot]

It's literally in your brain

[thorny steeple]

u mean plants have those too at that scale ?

[ornate siren]

Nope

[thorny steeple]

lamo

[slate hornet]

Hmm I was expecting the answer in ur point of view but anyways u have answered from google . Free will does exist . The only thing it is it can be partially or fully be used or u can’t use

[slate hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-philosophe-singe-philosophe-santo-sinj-gif-19180659

[ornate siren]

But ostriches and whales do.

[thorny steeple]

so it's a joke

[thorny steeple]

elephants too

[ornate siren]

Yes to both

[thorny steeple]

let's not dive any deeper let's change the topic

[ornate siren]

Gladly

[thorny steeple]

who's the father of philosophy

[slate hornet]

Me 🥱

[ornate siren]

I don't think philosophy could ever have a father.

[thorny steeple]

my google search says otherwise

[ornate siren]

What does it say?

[thorny steeple]

jk any good topic ?

[formal pilot]

Might be Aristotle or Socrates

[ornate siren]

Nope, I'm gaming right now.

[thorny steeple]

socrates

[thorny steeple]

oh okie

[ornate siren]

Many consider Socrates to be the father of Western philosophy, but Pre-Socratic philosophers existed.

Moreover, the Eastern school of philosophy still remains.

[ornate siren]

"Socrates said, our only knowledge was
‘To know that nothing could be known;’ a pleasant
Science enough, which levels to an ass
Each man of wisdom, future, past, or present.
Newton (that proverb of the mind), alas!
Declared, with all his grand discoveries recent,
That he himself felt only ’like a youth
Picking up shells by the great ocean—Truth.’"

[thorny steeple]

" to know that nothing could be known " true , we only look for something better not the exact answer

since the exact answer don't exist

doesn't*

[smoky pagoda]

[ornate siren]

Agreed.

[smoky pagoda]

[thorny steeple]

hmm

[whole beacon]

Im sorry,
But ur nonsense is funny.
I never found a load of shit to be so amusing.

[magic olive]

@uncut crater you believe that its only turning vegan will end animal cruelty

[thorny steeple]

wdym

[whole beacon]

Hahhahahaahahahahh
U can do English hub stand up comedy

[magic olive]

Should I start a protest about how the car wheels waste particles contribute to air pollution and
Ppl should walk?

[uncut crater]

Being vegan means that you're aiming to reduce animal cruelty. Animal harm might still happen, but it wouldn't be intentional

Not paying for animal products is a great start to reducing animal exploitation, but also advocating reduces it too

[hollow raven]

fuck animals

[magic olive]

We should shut down factories that will increase production of meat alternatives

[hollow raven]

kill those and eat them

[magic olive]

Chup

[hollow raven]

that's the natural cyclee

[uncut crater]

I don't have a particular liking to animals either. I just logically think utilitarianism makes sense so I abide by it

[magic olive]

Would this increase air pollution?

[hollow raven]

fancy word alert

[uncut crater]

As long as the demand exists people wont make it illegal. They should be stopped but doing things like replacing what gas the animals die by greatly helps utility

[magic olive]

Yeah ur right abt that

[uncut crater]

“The utilitarian doctrine is that happiness is desirable, and the only thing desirable as an end; all other things being only desirable as means to that end.”

- Mill, Utilitarianism (punctuation modernized)

[magic olive]

Thanks for sharing and ur time

[uncut crater]

Jeremy Bentham has the correct form of utilitarianism though

[hollow raven]

i don't think animals have a taste in victorian philosophy

[uncut crater]

Yeah fo sho just doing the most positively consequential thing I can think of

[hollow raven]

they are tasty tho

[magic olive]

Yeah cool

[uncut crater]

I don't hold them to the standard that they should or could, or whether any of that is necessary in order to deserve moral consideration

[hollow raven]

killing animals with a conscience e.g dogs and cats

sure isbad

but killing cows ain't

[uncut crater]

I'm of the view that any reason you could give to harm a pig, chicken, and or cow could be applied to a human, cat or dog.

That's what the "name the trait" argument is all about

[hollow raven]

ok im for it, for every kfc bucket, let's kill a african chil- wait that's happening nvm

focus on minimizing human suffering before animals

and feeding everyone

[uncut crater]

Farming methods aren't perfect even for plants and so aren't the production processes for technology but we gradually improve the well being for all and I'm here to be part of that help

[hollow raven]

vegan food is intensive and costs a lot of farmland

[hollow raven]

very misleading since a lot of those agricultural land is NOT fertile

and plus naturally as human our diet isn't full meat

that isn't a factor

we naturally eat more plant-based than meat

[devout shale]

lol bro actually thinks cows are robots

[manic juniper]

We need less domestic animals, including farm animals

[devout shale]

what does that mean

[manic juniper]

Use Google Translate if you can't understand

[devout shale]

im talking about semantic

[thorny steeple]

hmm

[devout shale]

i suppose you are trying to say animals should live in their habitat?

[manic juniper]

No? Domestic animals are human creations, they don't have a place in the wild

[devout shale]

i agree

[manic juniper]

Less domestic animals (including less farm animals) means more productive habitats for wild animals

Since less land will be used to feed those

[devout shale]

but you know wild animals don't produce money

Jeff Bezos is not going to hunt deers in the mountains

[manic juniper]

It depends on the country

But they do produce money through turism

At the same time tourism may hurt them

[devout shale]

unless is doing it as a sport

[devout shale]

right

[hollow raven]

they aree

[devout shale]

you so funny little man

[hollow raven]

Ik

[south vapor]

Hawk tuah

[feral river]

I just think some are delicious

for example dogs hot pot which I really enjoyed a lot

I never try cats but donkey or other popular stuff like pigs, mutton those are all my favorite

[uncut crater]

Yeah for the past 2 million years we hunted, but that was mostly out of sexual selection cause mate that could demonstrate hunting prowess showed like vitality. It was meat once a week on average because any animal spoils within the day. Billions of years before the 2 million ur right we have been primarily adapting to digest plant matter. We can of course digest meat, although less optimally due to heart disease being the number one killer. Even lions develop atherosclerosis

[thorny steeple]

Aren't you built like pig cuh

[feral river]

I don't think I'm a type of person like you of built based on pigs ?

[thorny steeple]

No you look like one

https://tenor.com/view/neuquenpepa-peppa-pig-neuquen-gif-25489396

[feral river]

a pig really sees everyone as a pig, pretty make sense

not your bad

[thorny steeple]

Its forbidden for me ; so ofc I don't see but i see your ancestors that way

[feral river]

better than yours 😂 lmao

[manic juniper]

It's forbidden to be a pig?

[thorny steeple]

Says the one who don't even know if your parents are really your parents

[thorny steeple]

You be one is enough for the chat

[manic juniper]

I'd rather be a pig than whatever you are

[feral river]

will you mind to see what your ancestor really is

🤣

[thorny steeple]

Ofc your obesity would lead that way

[feral river]

just look yourself

@thorny steeple

[manic juniper]

I think he's still bitter about getting humiliated

[feral river]

at least you contained some DNA from your ancestor isn't it

[thorny steeple]

They were legends not like yours - slave for life

[feral river]

probably a lot lmao 🤣

[thorny steeple]

That's your father figure or your future child?

[feral river]

legends who being ass kicked

very legend

legendary !@

[thorny steeple]

Are you getting thristy you gooner

[feral river]

enemies LMAO

[manic juniper]

Lmfaooo legends, and now his descendant is on Discord arguing about dead people and books

[feral river]

@thorny steeple "enemy legendary!"

aces

not an ace cuz you exist

[thorny steeple]

Says the mentally ill squillo

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/chips-cry-about-it-cry-about-it-gif-22048775

[manic juniper]

You're the one that comes here just to insult

[feral river]

nope that doesn't works to say it to a mentally il; squillo

[dapper laurel]

Guys, why all the dissing?

[thorny steeple]

I didn't insult, i was speaking facts about you both 💫

[dapper laurel]

What happened?

[manic juniper]

Sure, facts like the heavens and Earth

[manic juniper]

Just an edgelord that thinks he's cool because he knows mean words

[thorny steeple]

Pull your daddy issues here

[feral river]

of how you are so fucked to talking a lot of shit comes from your shitty mouth ?

[dapper laurel]

Is he insulting you?

[feral river]

just look at yourself

[manic juniper]

I mean he's trying to, I don't think he succeeded

It just shows what kind of lowlife he is

[thorny steeple]

I ain't chilli 👉🏻👈🏻 but i burnt anuses here

[dapper laurel]

@thorny steeple Don't you think life is already difficult for all of us? Why do people like you have to make it even more difficult?

[feral river]

i should not be and no one tell you that you should chill

[manic juniper]

Can't you see it, his life is quite difficult already

[feral river]

grown trans need to know what to do by themselves isn't it

[blissful atlas]

bro chill

[dapper laurel]

Responding with more hate doesn't make the situation any better, let's all just calm down, today is Sunday, let's stay calm

[thorny steeple]

Well, if life’s already difficult, think of me as the bonus level. I’m just here to make sure you’re really earning it; you didn’t think it would be that easy, did you?

[blissful atlas]

LMFAOOO WHATT

[manic juniper]

I didn't, I don't think it's worth insulting him

[blissful atlas]

AIE GOIN CRAZYY

[thorny steeple]

HOMIE QUINN THE LEGEND

[blissful atlas]

I AINT QUIN FOR THE FCKIN 6583719837TH TIME

[dapper laurel]

Who exactly do you think you are?

[feral river]

how him ? didn't he's the guy who claim that he's a girl ?

[thorny steeple]

Mb mb OG

[blissful atlas]

he is aie, a legend

[manic juniper]

You confused him with the other one

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-your-father-darth-vader-gif-13250196

[blissful atlas]

nahh u servin here all on em cuh

[dapper laurel]

👍🏻

[feral river]

well

@thorny steeple are you a transgender ?

🏳️‍🌈

[dapper laurel]

This question seems so random

🤷🏼🏳️‍⚧️

[feral river]

that should be

[hollow raven]

Fish and chicken is the main meats of today, red meats are minimised for special occasions in my opinion

And fish and chicken are much less disruptive

[dapper laurel]

But how are you my friend?

Are you having a good Sunday?

[feral river]

im pretty good just playing lol while deal with some stupid ass

[thorny steeple]

Nah I ain't got any gender crisis ; I'm dude

[feral river]

yeah today I get to the UN memorial park in Busan

[blissful atlas]

BROO NOO

[feral river]

wanna see some pic ?

[dapper laurel]

Yes mate

[feral river]

one sec let me finish it

ain't play good cuz playing while dealing with some stupid guys

anyway who cares

[dapper laurel]

As you wish mate

[feral river]

@dapper laurel

I didn't discover it before but it only has 1 mile distance from where I'm living

[dapper laurel]

There is fantastic weather there

[feral river]

average East Asia

[dapper laurel]

You must have enjoyed this day, I'm happy for you

[feral river]

Japan is too hot and wet, Korea has the highest temperature gap between night and light

China... depend on region

[dapper laurel]

My father always said this about Japan, when he was there

[feral river]

yeah they are drinking ice water everyday that I enjoyed with

btw it seems only Chinese people drink hot water

I can accept both lol

[dapper laurel]

Hot water is strange for me, it's not thirst-quenching

[severe kindle]

man chilll this is a serious channel

[feral river]

well most people in China drinks hot water

[severe kindle]

man

[feral river]

also who live in Taiwan

typical Han Chinese

[manic juniper]

Why

[dapper laurel]

What is this habit related to?

[feral river]

tradition and culture

[manic juniper]

Hot water is horrible

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine

[manic juniper]

I tried drinking it sometimes

[feral river]

also relating to this

[dapper laurel]

But hot water contaminated with aromatic herbs is good

🤤

[feral river]

we are drinking it everyday and even if you are kid your parents gonna told you not to drink ice water but hot one

[manic juniper]

I guess The Legend of Zelda follows Traditional Chinese Medicine

[feral river]

because hot water = safe, comfortable

well according to them

personally I can accept both

[dapper laurel]

Cold water helps the immune system

[feral river]

well true yeah I like ice water

[dapper laurel]

So you don't put water in the fridge?

[feral river]

what the heck who would do that ?

[dapper laurel]

Me

[feral river]

we even boil water before drinking

[dapper laurel]

I like cold water as hell

[feral river]

apple input system really ass

[dapper laurel]

Sometimes I go and get it at the source

[feral river]

in China and Korea you can't literally directly drink the tap water

[dapper laurel]

As a good mountain enjoyer

[feral river]

you need to boil it to make it safe

so we usually drink the drinkable water

and tap water is one category characterized by undrinkable in China

[dapper laurel]

Can't you put a filter system in your sink?

[feral river]

I heard Vietnam do so

[feral river]

well we have filter system but it's different

because they usually add excessive chlorine and it tastes terrible

also it's bad for health if you drink it for a long time

[thorny steeple]

*SERIOUS

[severe kindle]

why you tagging me?

[thorny steeple]

I thought you can edit or change the typo on the bot

[severe kindle]

man what is my inolvemnt with whatever that thing is

[thorny steeple]

aight still a W mod ✨

[severe kindle]

a pr mod is only for politics and religon room

just so you know

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iZFSmGZ1eEc

dude knows humorous 🤣

[raven forge]

[raven forge]

Dead chat

Ummm

[feral river]

@thorny steeple https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma

your Jack Ma is a member of Chinese communist party

[manic juniper]

Is he still alive?

[shy summit]

That is one boxy ass lookin’ face

[thorny steeple]

At least you won't contaminate yourself

[feral river]

yes

remember donald trump handshake with him ?

[manic juniper]

Are they friends?

[shy summit]

I wouldn’t call trump friends with him

[feral river]

pretty wholesome

my trump baby

[shy summit]

He’d probably confuse him for Japanese or Korean

[feral river]

your harris did't even got a handshake with Xi jinping

I don't support her 😠

[shy summit]

We don’t support felons in dis here house

[feral river]

trump got handshake with Putin, Xi jinping and Kim Jong Un

I guess your harris got nothing

[shy summit]

Yes,..now they have Cheeto dust on their fingers

[thorny steeple]

#MAGA

When I see some conversations I think: if we left the presidential election to someone other than the American people a more beneficial president could be presented to the American people

[coral belfry]

i found this on my device💀

[feral river]

I believe they need Kim Jong Un to restore the order in their society and bring some people back in line

Putin or Xi is not really enough to solve their problem

they indeed need Kim

or Stalin if alive

[craggy sphinx]

it will Putin , Trump and Kim

[feral river]

georgia not texas or florida

[craggy sphinx]

do you like Putin?

[feral river]

well.... hard to say I like him but at least he did something

he's capable to restore great Russian influence

[thorny steeple]

Nooo, they need Rasputin

[lofty sparrow]

Hi everyone

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/manlsmonet-gif-23253122

[median temple]

Isn't he went missing when he said something about government?

Good to see him back

[crisp swan]

messi or ronaldo?

[feral river]

he's always disappearing for instance after 2021 he's in Japan and around 3 years there's no any information about him till 2023 he returned China mainland as a teacher, after he quote something to our leader he disappeared again

I believe in some degrees of exposure in public space, as well as Jack Ma is in a category were intermittently allowed to be exposed

and I'm sure he's still alive neither in the prison nor the public area but probably being softly detained by the party

[shy summit]

Ah the problems with a 1-party system

[feral river]

well apparently we don't allow any voices challenge our leadership, especially the party's leadership

that's how we have our prosperous, safe and stable society that helps to develop a better economy

[shy summit]

No wonder China has hit a wall with its growth lately. Corruption is easier in such a system, not that it doesn’t exist in other systems its just less people that need to be corrupt in order for the system to halt

Concentrated power leads to concentrated issues

[feral river]

well corruption I would say it's not so rampant as we do in before, under Xi's administration it's clearly being better

we are always been a highly centralized state under absolute leadership by the party

that's why we are growing strong, powerful economically and militarily

we could literally reach any inch of our space without opposition

that's a huge deal

it was efficient, low-cost, and easier to organize

[thorny steeple]

And it looks like India is going to be your biggest competitor in the next 100 years

[feral river]

well ? nah we don't even care India

they can't even handle their own mess I would say

[shy summit]

Thats not what outside analysis has concluded

[thorny steeple]

An image should be created to take on a leadership role in the world but the media does not allow it. Only economic, military and political power does not provide world hegemony. Confucian Institutes also seem to be inadequate. Doesn't he have plans to take on world leadership?

[feral river]

it has I believe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-corruption_campaign_under_Xi_Jinping

Investigations by the party's disciplinary bodies are not part of the state judicial system. When an official is detained for an investigation, known as Shuanggui, they are essentially placed under house arrest and are isolated from the outside world.

encircling that old topic in China, state > party or party > state ?

[cinder quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1074670102231924747/1276978142531289171/Leva_classic.gif

[feral river]

and the truth is, in different terms and fields both are crossed into different power degrees above the term "state", "party" itself.

that means state without party is not China, party without state is not China

there's only China with party and state.

that's a main confusion that westerners would think about China

so simplified it, just add some suffix after our state name, People's Republic of China to People's Republic of China with Communist Party of China

[feral river]

dude you are like no one even some stupid guys thinks you are stupid

[thorny steeple]

#MAGA
#LatinosForTrump

[thorny steeple]

Already a maga fan eh

[feral river]

do you think I'm insulting ? that's pretty weird there's enough medical resources to waste on you I guess

enjoy your treatment

that's really a personal insult

yeah prob that's why you are talking shit for all the time

enjoy it

[lavish creek]

literally reality for almost everyone except western and northern europe

[spring zephyr]

Yo man, you need to calm down. If, you are willin to argue, argue respectfully. No personal attacks.

[prisma cipher]

Lame

[thorny steeple]

hmmmm

[wary sinew]

What can be serious for you, guys ?

[thorny steeple]

politics, religion, scientific topics and stuff like taht

[real monolith]

[shy summit]

Granted if science is involved its usually because someone isn’t exactly educated on a subjectmatter

[feral river]

science may should not be involved but it's one of the top reason why their rhetoric didn't work in modern days

science do educate people for sure

you never see there's any religion calling themselves true only science they will be destroyed instantly

all they can do is trying to give a somehow answer of how science can't explain or currently can't explain to try to convince people

in old days they have capitalists, monarchy to protect their ideology to fool proletariants

not a chance in modern day expect in ultra totalitarian states.

and communism is the last iron fist pushed them into almost eternal hell, that's W and credit to communism I would say

[spring zephyr]

Gender dysphoria 🥰 .

[lavish creek]

how does it feal ?

[spring zephyr]

How would I know?

[wary sinew]

interesting.... i like it

[devout shale]

The world is a shitshow

[sonic lion]

We know, yet we live

[devout shale]

For what

[sonic lion]

Passion

[devout shale]

And what is the end goal of passion

[sonic lion]

Passion per se is the end goal

It provides spiritual reward

[devout shale]

Spirituality and world do not have much in common

[sonic lion]

What you mean?

I don’t mean spirit in a religious way

[devout shale]

There is only one way to mean it, but many false paths

[devout shale]

I mean that spirit must transcend the world to attain the 'end goal'. World is just distraction for the most part

Just patterns repeating over and over

Recursive function

[sonic lion]

Good point. I think I mean spirit in a sense of consciousness, but a specific one

[sonic lion]

But there’s nothing really outside the world which it can transcends to

[sonic lion]

Yeah but that doesn’t mean it can’t provide satisfaction, we are talking about emotions and not objectivity

[devout shale]

Satisfaction is not what I seek

There's junk food and sex for that

Satisfaction is just a loop

Non ending seeking

[sonic lion]

Pleasure doesn’t equal satisfaction

[sonic lion]

What you seek anyway?

[devout shale]

Maybe just my antidepressants

[sonic lion]

C’mon

[devout shale]

To continue the loop

[sonic lion]

That’s what we all do

It’s not that bad

[devout shale]

Just kidding

[sonic lion]

I think most of our life we spend just waiting for something or someone to make us feel whole and connected but it never comes

And when it seems to, it doesn’t really

So being aware of that is one step ahead to try and making every second a little bit more mindful

And that is subjective

What it works for me is building some kind of interiority

Some rich and spiritual interior world driven by homeostasis and childlike wonder

Which is mostly achieved through knowledge and poetry

But yk, you decide whatever works for you

[devout shale]

That would be awesome

But that confirms that real meaning is not in the external world

[sonic lion]

Absolutely

It’s some kind of relationship between you and the world that you need to cultivate

I think curiosity and passion are the key things to live better

[lavish creek]

https://www.marxists.org/

what a website

[devout shale]

@sonic lion thank you

[sonic lion]

Did I helped? Damn I’m surprised

My pleasure

[devout shale]

Nice conversations always help in some way

[sonic lion]

It’s really good I could read Feurbach for free

His books are really expensive here

[lavish creek]

where?

[sonic lion]

For sure

[sonic lion]

On marxists.org

[lavish creek]

no no

where are they expensive?

[sonic lion]

Oh

Brazil

[lavish creek]

there are no copyrights so why are they even expensive in the fist place

[sonic lion]

I have no idea

[devout shale]

Meaningful*

[sonic lion]

They’re R$150,00 here which is like 30 dollars

But for us is expensive af

[lavish creek]

i see wow

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

[devout shale]

Also i appreciate the effort you put in your answers

[sonic lion]

Oh, that was nothing

I know how hard it is to face those questions

To feel it in your bones, and yet everyone is just telling how you’re pessimistic

When we see meaninglessness we’re desperate to be wrong

But the world just keep proving itself awful to us

[devout shale]

I cant say people are bad to me fortunately because I look like the most (lighthearted?) and careless (in a good way) person ever in recent times but you know, its not all light and sparkles as it looks from the outside. I have phases.

But enough talking about me

Thank you for the kind words

[sonic lion]

Well, we can always talk when things get dark. It’s pretty bad to close yourself in those moments

[sonic lion]

/<3

[slender coral]

@feral river do you support CCP?

[smoky pagoda]

Hmm 🤔 died here as well

[obsidian lodge]

you can read a lot free

[shy summit]

There are some people in here who need to see this….

[sonic lion]

Idolizing anyone is kinda stupid

To be fair

[sonic lion]

Yeah, too bad I really like collecting books

I need to have their physical copy

[thorny steeple]

I proudly put Trump on a pedestal 🇺🇸 #MAGA

[shy summit]

See this? This right here kiddos; this is what consuming too much fiction looks like. 😭

Don’t worry, a few years of studying history, maybe some economics and some science classes will fix the problem!

[sonic lion]

What?

[sonic lion]

Not necessarily. Knowledge doesn’t fall from heaven, it’s still produced by a certain system who dictates which knowledge is going to be available and what doesn’t. There’s also a class struggle, I mean, who gets access to academia?

And assuming that everyone who votes for Trump is stupid is so delusional. It’s way deeper then that

And besides it’s just mean

[sonic lion]

And fiction, as I’m assuming you’re referring to books and movies, it’s just pathetic how little knowledge you have about it to say it spreads misinformation

Get down your fucking pedestal, sir

[shy summit]

I wasn't referring to movies or television shows sweetheart. I was referring to a much more dangerous form of fiction that has plagued mankind for over two millenium, halted social and scientific progression and been the justifying spark for all forms of depravitous violence.

[sonic lion]

Which is?

[shy summit]

Look at their name again, look at their political standing and tell me yourself.

[sonic lion]

Um

[shy summit]

Religion.

Fundamentalism to be more precise.

[sonic lion]

Well, the problem is not religion per se, it’s how power uses it for manipulation

[sonic lion]

Sure

[shy summit]

Religion has been the primary friction force standing against social, political and scientific progress. Most often to a bloody degree involving the destruction of manuscripts or the death of the mind that sought to challenge norms.

[sonic lion]

Yeah

[sonic lion]

I don’t even know how that happened, I mean, religion should provide some spirituality, some kind of meaning to people’s lives. I don’t know why the fuck does it have to interfere in politics

In Brazil we supposedly live in a secular state, however, religion almost dictates the laws here

[shy summit]

Because religion, since the dawn of modern science, has operated in the realm of fantasy.

Science proves something, religion tries to operate as if it didn’t.

Churches were, for all intents and purposes the earliest form of extrapolitical entities

And they are frantically trying to pretend they aren't dying out as each and every one of their stories are proven wrong by astronomists, physicists, historians, biologists, geneticists. The rise of the far right groups across the globe is the shuddering, dying breath of a bygone era that has outlived its usefulness. It will get worse over a decade or two, a few panicked spikes in activity, then the crash.

But it will die out. Perhaps as soon as two to five generations.

[sonic lion]

You mean churches or religion?

I think religion will always exist

It just takes other forms

Some people even treat science like religion

[shy summit]

Perhaps, but this is the end of organized religion.

Though anyone to treat science like a religion never understood the assignment in the first place.

The unknown scares people, they’d rather cling to something illogical that claims to have all the answers as opposed to the promise of uncertainty that the search for truth stands for.

[sonic lion]

I mean, nothing really provides concrete answers. That’s Foucault’s theory of post-structuralism that characterizes post-modernism

And post-modernism carries so much anxiety about it

[shy summit]

And that terrifies the fundamentalist.

[sonic lion]

A natural response is to seek organized religion

It has guidance and community

[sonic lion]

Absolutely

[shy summit]

Exactly, but as the young are raised to accept this reality, as they learn the logics we have learned. They forego this childish fantasy.

[sonic lion]

Btw sorry I was rude to you, I thought you insulted art 😭

[shy summit]

Its one thing to love fiction

It’s another to confuse it for reality.

[sonic lion]

Men are getting more conservative tho, as opposed to women. Religion is a system that benefits them

Don’t you think there’s also a gender factor that makes them more inclined to accept religion?

[shy summit]

A typical response to the loss of power.

[sonic lion]

Sure

[shy summit]

Religion oft gives men more social power and they all know it, even if they don’t want to admit it.

Islam, Christianity. I suppose NeoJudaism is less so but still.

[sonic lion]

Oh god, yeah

[weary rampart]

i dont understand why the mayority of men are machist if they was raises by womans

[sonic lion]

It’s so revolting seeing how they treat women in those religion

[shy summit]

They’re raised by men too as were the women raising them.

Don’t forget it takes a village.

[sonic lion]

Women also reproduce misogyny

[bold kelp]

Because the women were also blinded by patriarchal ideologies to a great extend

[sonic lion]

Some of the most awfully sexist things I heard came from women

[bold kelp]

Exactly
Experienced in real life as well

[sonic lion]

Again, our values don’t fall from heaven, they’re deeply rooted in patriarchal sacrosanct religion

[sonic lion]

Yeah

[bold kelp]

There are women who consider themselves as inferior to men

[shy summit]

Those raised in that culture as much victims as those brutalized by spousal abuse.

[sonic lion]

Some women will say it proudly. It’s sad

[shy summit]

Don’t hate them, simply pity them.

[bold kelp]

Yeah
But they don't change

[weary rampart]

also in male hormones that make us agresive and dominant

[sonic lion]

C’mon 😭

[shy summit]

Hormones only do so much. Socialization is what does the bulk of the work

[bold kelp]

But don't one learn to control being aggressive?
Can you say that as an excuse of being violent

[shy summit]

Besides ‘dominant’ isn’t even a biological factor but a social one.

[sonic lion]

It’s so dangerous to fall completely in the biological “argument” because it’s used almost to justify violent and cruel behavior

[weary rampart]

i dont know how the women think but i how a man a have many aggressive thoughts

[sonic lion]

Well, It’s not a crime to think

[bold kelp]

I have heard using "he is a man " as an excuse for abuse

[sonic lion]

It’s so common

Revolting tbh

I hate those podcasts for spreading so much misinformation

I’ve seen so many crazy takes from it

[feral river]

I just don't see there's another better option than CCP.

liberal democracy even worse

I don't want my country to be a crazy mess which bunch of people living without rule and disrupting normal people's lives

I can't even count how many this shit and how much resources were wasted by this crazy mess in almost every country adopted liberal democracy

I understand every system has cons and pros, centralized authoritarian also can cause a lot problems for instance corruption, abusing power, and limit on freedom

even based on those factors, liberal democracy would be a fair one but costly and inefficient

authoritarian rule is a cheap one, efficient one but having leverage on risk especially tests the quality of the leader

I would say I'm lucky our Chinese leaders are intelligent

[hoary cliff]

Xi is ruthless

[feral river]

That’s why he’s one of my favorite

Ruthless towards enemies

What should we do towards enemies besides ruthlessly eliminate them

[sonic lion]

Average Nietzsche reader

[bold kelp]

Who are these enemies actually

[hoary cliff]

And a dictator.

[feral river]

Even nicer then, but he’s not a dictator

[uncut crater]

Indeed but there's still saturated fat (more on average than nuts, beans, legumes, greens), heme iron (effective oxidant (bad (inflammation))), hormones, heavy metals, fecal matter. That being said it's risk increase not sudden death (although heart attacks are the most common due to heart disease being the number one killer) . Science considers overwhelming coorelation to be the same as causation. Whether you mean environmentally or health wise disruptive, the most disruptive thing we can do to a sentient individual is torture it which we should avoid as long as it's not a matter of our survival

[feral river]

If such a way exist, actually it doesn’t exist.

There’s demands, there’s supplements

For torturing I would say it doesn’t even make sense to torture a food ?

What some of you guys doing is trying to enlarge the drawbacks and aftermath of eating them despite they were being eaten all the time, and using it to spread propaganda and seek more power from the society.

It doesn’t have much difference between a leftists trying to dream their ideal society cuz their life sucked

[feral river]

This is an example of enemies

Who trying to spread left propaganda possibly disrupt social order

There’s a lot of enemies in our country and outside of the world, we are fully cautious with their threat to damage our core interests.

[hollow raven]

Being a person who tried nuts, I'll tell you first hand, they're better than meat but in VERY small amounts, and fish is vital for humans due to omega 3, chicken is also vital for the middle eastern, African and Asian diet, due to being so common and such cheap food, remember not every vegetable can grow everywhere.

[arctic linden]

i give up

[feral river]

I didn't find a type of meat I can't accept till now, but I found a lot of vegatables has terrible taste no matter how you gonna cook it

and basically if you are a vegetarian you really need that large and various amount of vegetables to stay healthy which proven by science

https://academic.oup.com/nutritionreviews/article-abstract/80/2/242/6209457

[thorny steeple]

Lol. That's true.

[raven forge]

Hii

@native bronze yk the rest

[native bronze]

she aint latina btw

he is asian

he /she

[raven forge]

[native bronze]

prb a scam

[raven forge]

[native bronze]

😢

[raven forge]

@final nacelle umm

[feral river]

I agree but not a leader

A random politician are not eligible to establish their personality influence that possibly challenge the leadership of the party and the state also damaging the reputation of the authority

A supreme leader or general secretary is a symbol of the state’s ultimate authority that granted absolute power to drive the state under party’s leadership for good willing of the people

[manic juniper]

What is your opinion on Sankara

[feral river]

who is this guy

I'm not familiar with something happened in Africa

probably most third-world nations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Worlds_Theory

[manic juniper]

He was a statesman from Burkina that was able to boost his country's literacy rates, economy and productivity in a relatively short time with good reforms and laws

He was assassinated by warlords I believe, some suspect France was involved

He seemed like a very effective leader

I think his best friend was responsible for his death

[feral river]

only some history I'm familiar with Africa is propably under French and British rule

[hoary cliff]

Shut tf up. Don't assume shit like that

[hoary cliff]

bie

[rose eagle]

if i miss school because i'm too tired, like 2 or 3 times a month, is that ok? does that make me a lazy or bad student?

[verbal torrent]

Mommy chill

[feral river]

is there anyone ever researched about Juche, I'm investigating some details of how is this ideology works

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche

[manic juniper]

I did, it's kind of fun

[feral river]

Yeah this is kinda like a deviation version of the complex between Stalinism and Marxism-Leninism with highly focused on self-reliance

Also main ideas like military-first, self-reliance are fantastic and pretty useful in modern days for the nation of North Korea

Actually after the Kim Jong Un succeeded the power, their economy significantly growths by fulfill the stuff in their market and shops

[manic juniper]

The issue with that is that I don't think it's realistic

If you take countries like China and Russia they are large but they lack a lot of products that they obtain through the free market

And most countries in the world would be much poorer and weaker without international relationships

[feral river]

The problem is they barely have resources and purchasing powers that allows the state as their proxy to buy enough stuff from foreign nations

[manic juniper]

The EU for example can make most things on its own but it lacks prime materials and oil, if the EU had Juche it would be poor

[feral river]

I don’t see they have another choice, opening up like equals end of the North Korea because of their totalitarian rule, for the trade partners for example China, they don’t really have adequate purchasing power or capable to opening up their domestic market for us to exploit their labor

[manic juniper]

There are some western countries it trades with, their main issue is that they're seen as unreliable even by their main western partners. For example Sweden, it used to be its largest western partner but they stole millions worth of Volvo cars, there is even a Wikipedia article on this

[feral river]

Well yes… even Sweden is the only country have embassy in North Korea for westerners

[manic juniper]

I guess Sweden felt like Russia feels now that so many western companies are leaving

Volvo cars are good

[feral river]

If so basically there’s no way for them to be rich as opening up to the world.

But this ideology literally founded in Cold War era so using modern perspectives to evaluate its utilization on practical state issues seemingly improper.

[manic juniper]

What do they produce even, I only know about their animation company

[feral river]

Export goods
watch components, beauty products, iron alloys, instructional models, tungsten (2019)[2]

[manic juniper]

If they lack resources they need to do imitate countries such as Liechtenstein and move to services

[feral river]

but they got a rich semi-advanced military industry directly subsidies by the state

[manic juniper]

Baltic countries too are moving towards services except Latvia since it's kinda poor

[feral river]

you need visitors and population-flow to do services and it was not possible in planned economy

but they tried a lot of ways like opening up somewhere in the Pyongyang as special economic zone

[manic juniper]

How did that go

[feral river]

like basically copy what we do in Shenzhen and they attract few foreigners

[feral river]

2021 they closed to the world because of pandemic till now

Dec, 2024 they gonna reopen the border again

I think they can do it better if I have enough time I will visit North Korea again

and that will be my second time visit North Korea

for what media says their situation isn't that depressing than before but idk if it's true

[manic juniper]

Would you ever visit?

[manic juniper]

Lol

[feral river]

yeah that's an amazing place last time I think it's 2016 I get to the North Korea with my dad and mom

[manic juniper]

What animals live there? I've always been curious

I watched videos and I couldn't see any

[feral river]

I didn't left any useful memories, or just curious what is this fucking place

with no internet

[feral river]

well idk, I ever see cows but not much and I basically stayed in Pyongyang 5 days and only on the trains from China to North Korea I see their countryside doesn't even have a proper road

well probably if I say anything better in North Korea they gonna arrest me because now I'm in the South 🤣

just kidding

[manic juniper]

Kinda sad but understandable

I wonder if they even have jobs related to wild animals there, like ornithologists or something else

[feral river]

well don't be afraid about it, just few bucks you can travel from China to North Korea

they will check you for sure but not so strict and rule-based mindset against every foreigners

I'm sure they are more friendly than US-visa officer

if you curious anyway follow the guide and don't break any rules

you will be okay

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyongyang_International_Film_Festival @manic juniper

they even got a international film festival

[raven forge]

Bei

[manic juniper]

The flight would be expensive

[smoky pagoda]

Coffee ☕

[feral river]

won't be as costly as you took a flight to Japanese Empire

[cursive bobcat]

What are some potential health benefits of moderate coffee consumption?

[manic juniper]

Vasodilation I guess

[manic juniper]

Maybe in the next vacations I will visit the DPRK

[feral river]

that's get cooked, do you prefer coffee, or tea ?

[manic juniper]

Or I could visit both South and North

[feral river]

this is probably the reason of the WW3

[manic juniper]

Tea, I don't like coffee unless it's ice cream, you?

However I don't consume tea that much either

[feral river]

that would be costly for sure because you need to took flights separately

[feral river]

well both I can accept but by favor I would say coffee

I like suger-taste drinks like full suger cocacola, ice-cream other stuff

it seems to be weird for a guy who love sweets but I'm one of them

[manic juniper]

I only like water and almond milk, some fruit juices

Grape juice is very good

[feral river]

you can't add some suger into tea I believe that's why I prefer coffee

[manic juniper]

I only take coffee if I'm really tired, only used it three times in my life

I like to drink it as if it's some super powerful WW2 drug

[feral river]

excessive coffee for me would cause periodical headache I don't know why

[manic juniper]

𐎫𐎨𐎥𐎤, 𐎼𐎧𐎨𐎢𐎧 𐏀𐎮𐎸 𐎫𐎮𐎮𐎪 𐎥𐎮𐎱, 𐏀𐎮𐎸 𐎼𐎨𐎫𐎫 𐎭𐎤𐎵𐎤𐎱 𐎥𐎨𐎭𐎣. 𐎥𐎮𐎱 𐎼𐎧𐎤𐎭 𐏂𐎧𐎤 gods created 𐎬𐎠𐎭, 𐏂𐎧𐎤𐏀 𐎫𐎤𐏂 𐎣𐎤𐎠𐏂𐎧 𐎡𐎤 𐎧𐎨𐎽 𐎽𐎧𐎠𐎱𐎤, 𐎠𐎭𐎣 𐎫𐎨𐎥𐎤 withheld 𐎨𐎭 𐏂𐎧𐎤𐎨𐎱 𐎮𐎼𐎭 𐎧𐎠𐎭𐎣𐎽

[feral river]

what the heck is this

[manic juniper]

Maybe it's hangover

[weary belfry]

Ah nah. I don't know arabic

[manic juniper]

Sumerian cuneiform

[weary belfry]

Im from turkiye. Can I ask the same qn to you if you don't mind?

[feral river]

well I don't have such feeling while overly drinking alcohol but anyways

[wind forum]

hi

just new here

hey how is your day been?

thanks

nothing much just a usual day

[weary belfry]

Ohh, great.

I think the family factor was the most effective factor in me becoming a Muslim. And also I live in a Muslim country. We are taught how to be Muslim logically.

And oh, yeah. Istanbul as it is now called. Constantinople is the old name of Turkiye's most populous city

[wind forum]

yeah where are u from by the way? if u dont mind me asking

[weary belfry]

Damn, this questions..

Cuz I believe that Islam is a true religion. It seemed like there were gaps in other religions

[wind forum]

ohh nice

philippines

thanks

[weary belfry]

It would be more accurate to say that I went by eliminating religions. I found an opening in Christianity, and also in Judaism and other religions etc..

[thorny steeple]

If you don't mind (which religion you belongs to)?

[weary belfry]

Sure pls. Go ahead

[thorny steeple]

I see
That's why you wanna know the beauty of Islam

[weary belfry]

Sure. Just say it. Don't hesitate

[shy summit]

Which motherfucker started speaking Dragonborn?

[thorny steeple]

Basically, if we see, Islam is a religion that is open to all, here I mean that Islam is such a religion.If someone wants to adopt it, then he should adopt it, and whoever does not like it, i.e. prefers another religion, then he is also allowed to choose the religion that he does not like.

[shy summit]

Tbh there are plenty of grown men that wish for the same thing, Christian or not. 😭😭😭

P-Sure that’s honestly just a dude thing.

[thorny steeple]

By the way, if you look, I am a Muslim. Most of the people, if you look, there are such people in different countries who say whether they are Sunni or Wahhabi or Shia etc.But I am a Muslim, my religion is Islam, neither am I a Sunni, nor am I a Wahhabi, nor am I a Shia, I am a Muslim

[shy summit]

They don’t make clear distinctions between sects in Islam Nobu, it’s culturally a no no to acknowledge it.

So’s not being straight but here I am.

Actually so are a lot of things buuuuut fuck it.

[thorny steeple]

If you travel to different countries I mean travel to different Muslim countries and meet people there like Pakistan.So you will see many people here saying that we are Sunni, we are Wahhabi, we are Shia, etc.But if you look, it is not in Islam that he is a Sunni or he is a Wahhabi, he is only a Muslim and Muslims are brothers among themselves.

[shy summit]

As I said they have a sense of cultural holism. They aren’t segmented like Christians.

What’s that saying?: “No one hates a Christian more than another Christian?” The sects don’t typically get along.

[thorny steeple]

By the way, have you read anything about the Shia's that now I mean what mistake was made thousands of years ago that they are still beating themselves up about.

[shy summit]

In Islam they don’t bicker amongst themselves as much

They just bicker with everybody else

[cedar pulsar]

hello

[shy summit]

Sup essee

[thorny steeple]

Finally, you know what it means

[uncut crater]

"Better than meat" already implies that you have the correct understanding of good and bad. Unfortunately, you mean bad as in health, which is a tertiary reason. Animals being tortured is the first and foremost reason to abandon animal products promptly. Ant reason you can give to hurt an animal can be applied to a human. Although 3rd world countries have a less diverse diet, that doesn't apply to us in the 1st world where we are able to have time to text our feelings. For the vegetables that can't be grown in certain countries such as the UK, they have them imported to feed their populace and their animals. The goal is to reduce suffering- a undeniable characteristic of sentience

[cedar pulsar]

im okay what bout you, hmm like?

[shy summit]

You heard it here first boys Middle likes Nut more than Meat.

[uncut crater]

I'm serious

[shy summit]

“Nut > Meat,” @hollow raven

[cedar pulsar]

And how am I supposed to know the things you know?

No it was a question, so you tell me what do yo know

and yeah i do

[shy summit]

I only speak freedom and cheeseburgers

[cedar pulsar]

me speak yum yum

hmm

[shy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/d4dj-anime-spaghetti-eating-rinku-gif-13931612455359300736

[cedar pulsar]

sure if its something i can translate

who's that

whats the name of the surah?

[cedar pulsar]

exactly like that

k wait

lemme see it

ahzab?

i know no one i just read my quran + pray do the things im supposed to do

[weary belfry]

Woah

I'm not sure how to comment on this ngl

Prb no

Shias?

I am not sure I know whats this means

[cedar pulsar]

Prophet of the (End Times)! Fear Allah (as required) (avoid acting contrary to His consent and the Quran), do not obey the infidels and hypocrites (absolutely and in any way), (do not bow to them!) Surely, Allah (does everything rightly) He is the Knowing, the Possessor of Judgment and Wisdom.

[weary belfry]

Oh, interestin' info

Yeah

Yes, its

I wonder where the conversation will end up

No, I don't go. I don't have the opportunity to go to mosques cuz I spend most of my day busy with my studies. It must be a very absurd reason for not fulfilling the requirements of my religion

[thorny steeple]

I'm back

I believe that everyone has the right to their own beliefs, and I respect the diversity of opinions in both theology and politics. As a Muslim, I follow the teachings of Islam, which emphasize peace, tolerance, and mutual understanding. While we may have differences, I think it's important to focus on what unites us and engage in respectful dialogue.

[weary belfry]

They believe in the existence and oneness of Allah. They fulfill the principles of faith. They go on the Hajj, give alms, help the poor, and sacrifice. But they don't go to the mosque and pray

[thorny steeple]

Basically, it was Maghrib time here, so I went to pray, that's why my mobile battery is very low anyway

Both are good

Which country you belongs to?

[weary belfry]

This questions will kill me

And nah, they don't read Arabic, cuz they don't know arabic lang
Also, I dunno exactly what those two books you mentioned are, but I only saw the Quran related to our religion in their hands

[thorny steeple]

If we talk about them, they are very different from us Muslims but they live among us because they are like us and Islam tells us to respect everyone.

Nice

Pakistan

I think you know about Pakistan

[native bronze]

hmmm

[thorny steeple]

ویسے ہی یہ جان کر بہت خوشی ہوئی کہ اپ اردو بول سکتے ہیں

ویسے اپ کو یہ زبان کیسے لگتی ہے خوبصورت کے لحاظ سے اپ اس زبان کے بارے میں کیا سوچتے ہیں؟

Hi

Nop

But little bit similar

[thorny steeple]

Good evening!

[thorny steeple]

Good evening!

[thorny steeple]

Hru?

From which state u are?

[thorny steeple]

Good,wbu?

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from?

[thorny steeple]

Glad to know
I'm good too but tired little bit

[thorny steeple]

Me too

[thorny steeple]

Damoh, Madhya Pradesh

Wbu?

[thorny steeple]

Kia bat ha😅

I hope you understand

Your native language Hindi?

[thorny steeple]

Haa

[thorny steeple]

Pakistan

[thorny steeple]

Ye to achi bat ha

Punjabi

I'm Punjabi

[thorny steeple]

Aap konse province se hain?

But Also speak Many languages

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[thorny steeple]

Punjab

Dm me Aiye

Okay

[edgy elm]

Hi

[slender coral]

What makes you think liberal democracy is worse than CCP authoritarianism exactly?

I heard a sheikh claiming that the woman would put her milk in a cup and give to the man but idk

Either way it's a gross and stupid practice

[latent hatch]

Hello guys

[slender coral]

Hi

[feral river]

crazy mess and stagnation happening in the freaking west

[weary belfry]

my English is dead for now

[feral river]

except the United States of America the super boss extracting everyone's economic benefit is growing

[slender coral]

That's actually a good theory

[feral river]

any of you guys having significant gdp growth ?

[slender coral]

I'm not a westerner actually

[feral river]

only bunch of people walking on the street shout their freaking nuts for spread propaganda and caused instability of the society

[feral river]

that's what happened in the west

[weary belfry]

Religion is not something that can be changed easily. I have internalized Islam. Other religions give me a feeling of uneasiness and wrongness. But thanks for ur sentences

[feral river]

you don't like CCP's rule okay but it doesn't mean they didn't work properly actually it worked damn well recent years

[slender coral]

But what the west have for slow gdp growth is a good human rights situation.

[feral river]

that's why they stayed slow gdp growth

list 5 global powers and knowing how they were developing their economy you will know there's no anyone who do not expand power externally

they are the really big boys they can do anything they want because they have power

all of the logic behind what you are enjoying the order from your society is literally based on military power

you got enough military power you can make everything in vain

that's what today's world and it always is

[weary belfry]

No, he didn't say that.
Prophet Muhammad was a very good person. He respected the religion of others and tried to ensure justice in society. He was a person who gave justice to the unjust and treated people fairly

[feral river]

law/rule without enforcement is a toilet paper

[slender coral]

Yeah, sadly.

[whole beacon]

Hello Christian guy

[native bronze]

@turbid ivy do u have life outside this chat

jesus will be proud of you dw

[feral river]

that's how I'm satisfied under CCP's rule because I'm a Chinese citizen and I was born from a semi-rich region

[rose eagle]

yup

[native bronze]

and there are conditions btw

[slender coral]

You live in China?

[weary belfry]

You cannot know for sure whether the info you provide is accurate.

[feral river]

yeah ofc

[rose eagle]

I thought it was their right to abandon their religion?

[slender coral]

Discord isn't banned there?

[rose eagle]

he can use vpn

[feral river]

just 3 USD you can get a vpn per month and enjoy discord

[weary belfry]

Look, no Muslim believes this. If I did, I would not be a Muslim. I believe in the existence of the Prophet Muhammad and that he has good characteristics. I also believe that he is the servant and messenger of Allah, sir

[whole beacon]

This isn't about whataboutism or anything, but why does the Bible say u should kill none Christians.

Just Like wat happened to the jews and so

[feral river]

seems it's unnecessary because we already have our internet atmosphere, you got discord we got QQ

[native bronze]

he ignored me

[rose eagle]

holy shiet

[whole beacon]

Than how do u explain the jewish massacres during the crusades ????

[slender coral]

@weary belfry if you don't mind me asking, are you a traditional Muslim?

[weary belfry]

I am sure that no book I have bought here will show what you say. If you tell a person living in a Muslim country to buy things that will make Prophet Muhammad look bad, they will not find them
I live in a Muslim country. Here they showed us the good sides of Islam. And I believe in them

[native bronze]

laws should be done when the conditions are fulfilled

easy

[whole beacon]

No he didn't attack. Get ur historical figures right fgs.
It angers me to see someone playing around with history

By the name of the pope himself.
Wat a peaceful religion
Great

[weary belfry]

@native bronze Do you have any thoughts on this topic? About Saudi Arabia

[native bronze]

yeah im answering him

[whole beacon]

Nobu is just another yapper.
Prolly ex muslim.
Whi seeks to play around with history

[native bronze]

adult , should show offense to islam in publicity

[whole beacon]

Which attack?
Which battel?
Whuch city. Do show me.
Cuz ur wrong

[weary belfry]

Wdym w that "traditional"

[native bronze]

do yk what these people who got killed by sharia roles did?

[whole beacon]

Denominations. Are irrelevant here

[weary belfry]

When I go to mosques, I have never come across any book that would disparage my prophet

[weary belfry]

It could be

[whole beacon]

He says the prophet attacked the jews.
Where?

[slender coral]

Adherence to old religious views about stuff like gender roles, modesty, governance, etc.

[weary belfry]

Sorry. I don't prefer to go to a site on discord

Cuz I don't need to read them

As a religious person, why do you expect me to believe in these books?

[whole beacon]

Ur judging islam by the small doings of the minority.
Why can't i do the same.
Or is ur sense of pride really that thick???

[slender coral]

If it has https:// it's probably safe, the domain also matches the one of amnesty international. It's safe.

[native bronze]

@turbid ivy ?

[native bronze]

@turbid ivy answer amk

[weary belfry]

Ohh, thanks for this info 🤍

[native bronze]

well show me a source where people who left islam in peace got killed by sharia

[whole beacon]

Against Christianity in general.
I don't recognize denominations.
Nor will i adheer to the principle that( catholic and orthodox )
Should be segregated.

[native bronze]

minor or people who didnt show offense to islam in publicity

[feral river]

what peaceful religion ?

you mean Islam ?

[native bronze]

@turbid ivy u forgot this again

wear glasses

[whole beacon]

Pope is not a prophet. Nor was he the orchestrater , he followed the book. As all will agree.

[feral river]

I don't wanna bring a bunch of statistics about Islam that seems that's all fault on islam itself

[slender coral]

Np. So to make you understand a little bit, http is a protocol used on the internet for web pages and web servers to communicate with each other, https is the same protocol but secured (encrypted communication). Do not trust every https link tho, since there's a possibility for it to be faked. You can know that a link is safe if its domain matches the one of the organization it claims to be from and at the same time has https in it.

[whole beacon]

Not exactly. But its part of the discussion

[weary belfry]

This will at least help me determine if the site is safe or not. Thank you so much

[feral river]

well cool anyway

woah sentence people because they betrayed their religion, impressive

such a theocractic state would do

[whole beacon]

Im still waiting for ( historical facts that shows Mohammed attacked the jews) @turbid ivy

Oh stop yapping fgs.
Ur bloody alive

Now tell me about that attacking thingy

[median temple]

Hello So what is the topic of fight today?

[slender coral]

Such stuff happens in China too right? 😅 But instead of getting sentenced to death for criticizing a religion, you'd get sentenced to death for criticizing the state.

[slender coral]

Islam mainly

[feral river]

is this your site ?

[median temple]

Islam always been a hot topic since 600 AD.

[whole beacon]

Oh yeah !
Lemme dig deep on this.
Thnks

[feral river]

well... no you can criticize the state or secretary no one cares, even if you hold a position in government or state-owned enterprises, all you may face is forcibly resign probably

[slender coral]

I wish I had the energy to make content critical of Islam like that.

[verbal torrent]

Oh la la today’s topic fire

[feral river]

what you can't do criticize the state is launching a protest, that's not allowed not because you criticized state

it's just because we need to maintain the social order, so no matter it's a criticize or praise we all suppress it

[slender coral]

I think Arabic social media needs that more than English social media. Cut the corrupted plant from its roots y'know.

[median temple]

Nice to see some Chinese people on internet, bro which VPN are you using right now?

[feral river]

well currently I'm in South Korea and when I was in China I use Chinese VPN that's exclusive for Chinese citizens to pass the GFW

[weary belfry]

Why don't you try to respect other people's religion?

[median temple]

I heard china dont allow its citizens to use western social media platforms

[feral river]

respect their religion doesn't mean accept their indoctrination or rhetoric

[whole beacon]

Wat u mention is basically a battle fought btwn Muhammad's forces and the tribe of bani qurayza.
Because the jews (bani quarayza ) sided with Quraych tribe during the battle of the trench.
Bani Quaryza basically betrayed there oaths for siding with the muslims.
It was not about evading taxes ( jizya taxes) as they did evade it.
It was a simple treaty , developed into a war declaration.

I had to search the name qurayza in arabic to remember

[weary belfry]

If denigrating the religion of others is not disrespectful to someone else's religion, what is?

[feral river]

it's about how conversation works if you are insisted to enforce your ideas on other people that's not conversation that's an argument

[native bronze]

nah they burned quran moshafs and killed muslims and showed oppostion to abubakr what do u want beside that to make their killing allowed?

[median temple]

All people respect each other's religion except Muslims.

[unique geyser]

hey guys, is there anyone who wants to fill in my survey for a school assignment? pls let me know ill send the link privately bc i cant send links in this group ❤️

[native bronze]

people who went out of islam for the first time

[whole beacon]

Like duh Don't weaponize nonsense.
They sided with Quraych to kill them during the battle of the trench.
U think they would go knocking at their doors for a war request.
Duuuuh wth

[weary belfry]

No. Bro. You can share your ideas in any religion you want, without disturbing others and violating server rules
But you portray Islam as a bad religion and I am starting to feel uncomfortable about this situation.

[native bronze]

HAHHAHHAHAHHAGAHAHAH

[weary belfry]

Bro, show me then
Where did I write a message to denigrate other religions?
Pls show me

[native bronze]

he was insulting islam in his social media accs and he is an adult both conditions are fullfilled

[feral river]

depends on your standard if you gonna say, I said I can bring out a lot of cases of what you guys did something generally terrible based on statistics on your religion and state the fact would you consider that's a disrespectful behavior ?

[whole beacon]

There was a treaty which was based on taxation.
Any reasonable leader would gather taxes.
It servers so there would be no rebellions in the future.
(The jizya tax)

[weary belfry]

Look, I have no idea if you're up to it or not.
If slandering a prophet in Islam is not disrespectful, what is?

[native bronze]

hahahwtf the most number of these muslims killed in these wars bruh and 2730737239 copies of quran got burned innit learn history u just learn what do u want to learn

like how can people insult a religion?🤓

[whole beacon]

Well thats how it works.
Im sure i can say the same thing about the romans and the byzantines.

Administrative acts are separated from religion.
If u can't see this ur just as naive and prejudiced as the catholics u so desperately condemn.

[feral river]

first it doesn't make sense that you got a prophet so I must give a shit, second when you are saying there's a prophet that physically exist to do exactly what in your holy book interpreted doesn't mean I can't question his existence

that's your religion your religion not mine

[median temple]

I am not talking about particularly you, I am talking about in general and I don't blame those people the thing is that all Hadid and Quran doesn't acknowledge other religion and infact it hates them and says kafir will go to hell.

[native bronze]

read well he ordered if quran got edited burn it

no edit for quran allowed

[feral river]

and I have no idea on enforcing ideas on other people in this way we are not having conversations between your religion and mine

[prisma cipher]

Chill

[feral river]

apparently you got a prophet, okay that's yours not mine why would I care lol

[native bronze]

ref is literally what u sent

[native bronze]

arent we debating with nobu who is she

[feral river]

that guy saying I disrespect his religion, I have no clue

[weary belfry]

Yes. That's what I mean. Someone just told me to change my religion. It's none of his business

[native bronze]

https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/حروب_الردة

gl in translating

and reading

[native bronze]

did u do?

[feral river]

I don't think so

[native bronze]

ok

[feral river]

I always have no problem with religious people they are mostly friendly and awesome

freedom of religion outside of my state is the value I promote

[native bronze]

the exact story is written here and marked by references in the end of the page

why do u care

[whole beacon]

First of all if we were to force yesterday's rules on moder day reality.
I don't think wat would happen.
Plus the Palestinian case is not a religious one.
The jewish problem has never been ana arab prblm till recently.
There accounts of jews living on Jerusalem (after the conquest of the rashidun caliphate)
Where Omar wept on ( why the Christians threw trash in the jewish holy grounds)
Omar went later to establish a reasonable (jizya tax) method, and jew lived harmoniously till the crusades hit the levant.

As for the bani Quarayza,
They were outnumbered, and they signed a treaty of mutual assistance.

And taxation was imposed only on none muslims.
If ur not muslim, u pay the tax.
Ur allowed to remain in ur home and od watever u want.

[native bronze]

follow ur religion

no u go for it cus u asked

[median temple]

Atheism is the best religion, you can do whatever you want to do and eat whatever you want to eat, and live the life the way you want, you no longer need to worry about hell or heaven

[native bronze]

good

aslong u happy

[verbal torrent]

🐸

[feral river]

Marxism-Leninism Atheism, Stand up! the people who don't want to be a slave!

[median temple]

and yeah you can frogg too.

[native bronze]

🤓

😁

[median temple]

Its worst than slave.

[whole beacon]

I don't bookmark sources .
U can check for it, we are discussing matters here.
To later examine it.
But instead ur only fixating on references as if they are gonna do magic !!!?

[feral river]

well... not as terrible as you think if it's in Soviet Union or China

[native bronze]

zehracim ig it is time to send me that athiest book @verbal torrent

[feral river]

other places I can't guarantee

[native bronze]

lemme see ur pov

[verbal torrent]

Lol what u gonna do w that

[verbal torrent]

Hmm okay

[native bronze]

frog withit🐸

[median temple]

What religion do you follow.

Yes

[feral river]

well I'm flexible on religion, personally I regard religion as a tool to expand my interest not a lock to limit myself, if I live in a Christian state I'm a Christian, if I live in a Jewish state I'm a Jew, if I live in a irreligious state I'm irreligious

[median temple]

Zizya tax

[feral river]

and I will never live in an Islamic State so nvm with it

[median temple]

Do you officially convert yourself or just follow the religion virtually

[rose eagle]

me too

we are free thinker

[feral river]

personally I'm trying to convert myself to a Jew which following Judaism but I still have flexibility on it

because I live in China I can't just virtually be a Jew that's pretty weird in China would damage my interest

[median temple]

Well the tax is for non-muslims, for muslim its very less almost negligible.

[real monolith]

Yes

[whole beacon]

Its not that.
As an ex muslim im sure u know this very well.
Jizya taxes were imposed on none muslims.
As for the massacres ur so desperately referring to.
Bani qurayza committed treason!
IN ANY OTHER religion, IN ANY OTHER law
That deserves capital punishment.
And wat U failed to mention is the prophet in hadith he did forbid the killing of women and children.
Thats dishonesty from ur part.
And I can say that ur prejudice clound ur sense of reason.

[manic juniper]

Holy

[median temple]

Unholy

[real monolith]

Holy