🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

Smok

[cinder quartz]

I need help in Chinese or Japanese, I don't know myself

[shy summit]

I mean you can say whatever, freedom to speak doesn’t mean freedom from judgement

[formal scaffold]

judging is smth, punishing by silencing is another thing

[shy summit]

I mean in the instance you posted sounded like the dude just didn’t wanna be harassed

[formal scaffold]

yes you are punishing the person x by taking away his ability to express himself, but you are also punishing the world from hearing him out (if that punishment is really fair in the first place)

[formal scaffold]

dude is blackmailed btw

He's speaking about the safety of his fam thought you'd catch that one

[shy summit]

Was he forced?

[formal scaffold]

Duhh

[shy summit]

People’ve said simpler shit on the internet and been killed for less. But obviously maybe not commenting on the genocide unless its to stop it wouldn’t have gotten people upset

[formal scaffold]

when it's just people it's nothing alarming as much as goverments

[shy summit]

Agreed, like Israel murdering people for facebook posts

Govs can have reasonable limitations like “No endorsing violence bigotry genocide or the like.”

But to murder? Nope

[formal scaffold]

It'll be fair if all sides speak their minds and society judges them afterwards, but if there's silencing that highly indicates that one side is already doubting their chances to win people's support if it's all done fairly

[manic juniper]

Isn't it a private company

[thorny steeple]

I applied to join Mossad

Let's see if goyims are allowed

[prisma cipher]

There is no justice in the world. The one who is stronger is right.

[mighty inlet]

Hello people

[thorny steeple]

Being just goes against the human nature

[prisma cipher]

Everyone has a sense of justice, including animals. But it doesn't work at the state level.

[thorny steeple]

We have some sense of justice when we see cruel things such as murder or rape. But that's not the case when you have power. And we as human beings need a group to control ourselves

Time to finish my assignment

[prisma cipher]

we also have a feeling whether this person is ours or a stranger. strangers are equal to enemies. strangers do not deserve justice. why are strangers enemies, because everything unknown we perceive as a danger

[thorny steeple]

Natural law can undergo arbitrary decisions as well

[royal spruce]

[thorny steeple]

Hello ever

[jade pivot]

There's justice. It's just that it will be on the term of nature which comes with time

The unjust will not go unpunished

[jade pivot]

You're welcome

[thorny steeple]

Thanks

[prisma cipher]

Dorud kanka

Also khafe sho

[jade pivot]

time is a great factor...

[red veldt]

Hey there what’s the topic?

[shy summit]

One ‘side’ is endorsing genocide, which is illegal in most countries

[turbid ivy]

4 people in the apartment, 2 were 4 days old , that's what she said. Can I see like any sources for this claim?

[shy summit]

Birth certificates have been released to the public as has the story, covered by a number of journalists.

Take the name of the father look up the story and you can independently verify

[turbid ivy]

Can I see

[red veldt]

God bless Israel in their struggle against terrorists

And Islamic expansion

[formal scaffold]

God doesnt bless genocide and invasion .... try satan he'll surely help the true terrorists 😉

[red veldt]

There is no genocide

[formal scaffold]

Try glasses bc god and satan can't help yr case

[red veldt]

I doubt their existence

But the thing was

[formal scaffold]

Tho you were praying just now ... hmmm quiet the delulu

[red veldt]

Why makes you think there is a genocide?

[formal scaffold]

My eyes

[red veldt]

Swear to god I was not praying

ahahhahahahahahahah

[red veldt]

Where are you from?

[formal scaffold]

Why do u think palestinians are terrorists?

[formal scaffold]

From a country that didn't invade another lol but I'm terrorist in yr textbook

[red veldt]

Well it could be any country below Mediterranean Sea

I mean Palestine is not a real country to be honest

[formal scaffold]

Def not the US who used nukes n invaded several countries for adapting a communist regime

[red veldt]

And it was attacking Israel multiple times throughout the history

[formal scaffold]

Israel is lol

[formal scaffold]

The history that began in 1948 ... gues who came to who?

[turbid ivy]

Not Palestinians, I think Hamas is one of the terrorist organisations

[red veldt]

I can tell that Israel is the most prosperous country on the Middle East

[formal scaffold]

Palestenians came from mars to invade israel 😢

[red veldt]

They are the head of the Gaza Strip

[formal scaffold]

Have you heard about self defense?

[turbid ivy]

Most of them are Muslims

[red veldt]

Well there is only Muslims

[red veldt]

US have used nukes in the proper way

[formal scaffold]

Muslim = terrorist? Then christian= crusaders .... was hit*ler muslim or christian btw???

[red veldt]

And can you tell me about those countries that USA invaded for communism?

[turbid ivy]

Doesn't seem like self defense when they entered inside the bar and started killing anyone they found and when they kidnapped people. Wow!

[red veldt]

It was a proper response on the Muslim expansion

Crusades we’re good

[formal scaffold]

I mean in most state laws in US you have every right to murder those inside yr property ...

[thorny steeple]

Atheist

[turbid ivy]

Uh oh that's not I meant I mean, majority of them are Muslims, so invading lands is morally right in Islam.

[red veldt]

Hitler was not atheist

[thorny steeple]

He was

[turbid ivy]

US? I'm not from US

[red veldt]

He was more agnostic

[formal scaffold]

Tell me u dont know islam without telling me

[red veldt]

Than atheist

[formal scaffold]

Who said that you are lol

[turbid ivy]

I know, what do you wanna know

[red veldt]

Hitler have said that he is catholic

[turbid ivy]

Talking about US lol

[thorny steeple]

He's born in a Catholic country

[red veldt]

Yes!

[thorny steeple]

And wanted to be a priest in his youth

[formal scaffold]

Us law to be precize throwing a parallel here lol

[thorny steeple]

But he turned to apostasy when he joined the SS

[red veldt]

You confusing Hitler and Stalin I guess

[red veldt]

He wasn’t part of the ss…

[turbid ivy]

Uh what's wrong 😐

Did Muhammad enter in Madinah in 610 and suddenly captured the Jewish Tribes?

[thorny steeple]

Because he was influenced by his fellow esoteric friends

[red veldt]

He organised it for self protection

[thorny steeple]

In his childhood, Hitler was enthralled by the pomp and ritual of the Catholic Church,” wrote Fritz Redlich in his 1999 biography of the Führer. “Allegedly, for a while he even considered becoming a priest.” But Hitler, born 130 years ago on April 20, 1889, began rejecting religion as a teenager.

[red veldt]

Hm

[formal scaffold]

Lmao you tell me how he entred? Its quiet funny yall are making parodies of history at this point

[thorny steeple]

The Schutzstaffel (SS; also stylised as ᛋᛋ with Armanen runes; German pronunciation: [ˈʃʊtsˌʃtafl̩] ⓘ; lit. 'Protection Squadron') was a major paramilitary organisation under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in Nazi Germany, and later throughout German-occupied Europe during World War II.

[turbid ivy]

[red veldt]

It is alleged not the fact

[thorny steeple]

If it's alleged then you can't affirm the opposite is true either

[red veldt]

There is a quote of him saying that he is a catholic

Publicly

[formal scaffold]

Everything they bring to this point are allegations too

[thorny steeple]

He was during his youth, he even wrote than on Mein Kampf

[turbid ivy]

He migrated from Mecca to Madinah with some of his Muslim companions in 610 CE. He started preaching Islam, once he got many followers, he started robbing the Quresh caravans, some times later, he started looting the tribes

[thorny steeple]

But no proof he remained Catholic during his whole political career

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

"After the Night of the Long Knives, when the SS became independent from the SA, Hitler was listed on SS officer rolls as member No. 1 and considered supreme commander of the entire SS (Oberster Führer der Schutzstaffel: Literally, "Supreme Leader of the SS") by virtue of his position as the Führer of Germany"

[turbid ivy]

He used to rob, his bad habit robbing made him to rob the tribes.. he had become awful and later died by poison

[formal scaffold]

Wrong... medina Emmisarries came to mecca after hearing from him they offred to follow him n to split everything with his companions and to stop the 70'year war between "ouss" and "khazrej" which the major jew clans there couldnt solvr

[turbid ivy]

Source?

[red veldt]

You’re right

[turbid ivy]

[red veldt]

Thanks for putting effort into our conversation

[turbid ivy]

Khahah that’s OK

[thorny steeple]

Atheist or agnostic seem the same thing to me, I used to be both of them. Objectively they're the same

[red veldt]

Atheist is strict in his believe of afterlife

Agnostic is not sure about it

[formal scaffold]

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/muhammad-completes-hegira

Dn by a non muslim

[turbid ivy]

Also didn't have a job, he had 10-10 wives, gotta provide fir themselves, so he found robbing is cool

[formal scaffold]

And even claiming islam is a copy of old theologies, seems like a fair source, btw u screw up even the dates

[thorny steeple]

Both will live their lifes as if God didn't exist, none of them will follow moral rules. Of course they're not the same but there's no objective distinction

I'm leaning into Catholicism again

[formal scaffold]

State yr source? Fr yr claims? Or did u just claim all that on a whim??

[red veldt]

How is there no objective distinctions between these two terms

Atheist is absolutely sure in the non existence of god

[thorny steeple]

No distinction as to how they will live their lifes

Or see religion in general

[turbid ivy]

On September 24, 622, the prophet Muhammad completes his Hegira, or “flight,” from Mecca to Medina to escape persecution. In Medina, Muhammad set about building the followers of his religion—Islam—into an organized community and Arabian power. The Hegira would later mark the beginning (year 1) of the Muslim calendar.

Interesting, so migrated from Mecca to Madinah to save his life? But claimed something different, lemme see that source

[red veldt]

Sorry about that I’m quite sleepy 5:24 am

[thorny steeple]

Bye

[formal scaffold]

Lolz open the link and read or are u that lazy?

[red veldt]

You know it’s a categories of people who are atheists and agnostics

But these people may have a Christian values as well

[turbid ivy]

Badr robbery

[turbid ivy]

Which paragraph?

[red veldt]

Some of them may even admire churches

[red veldt]

As the place that uniting people

[thorny steeple]

All people who live in post-Christian or Christian societies have Christian values here and there

The fragments remain in the culture despite the religion not being strong anymore

[formal scaffold]

621 =/= 610 ..... they took oath to him

[red veldt]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

In Brazil, we shake hands with relatives older than us (or higher in the family tree) to ask for blessing

[formal scaffold]

We are discussing how he came to the city u claimed he went there n preaches his way to leadership in 610 state yr source about that then we can discuss the "stealing"

[red veldt]

Sorry johannes for being a no worthy person to discuss at the moms

[thorny steeple]

-hi, aunt. Bless
-Hi, niece. God bless you

[red veldt]

Same thing here

[turbid ivy]

So these 12 people came to meet Muhammad, can you tell me why? Also, this article was written in 2024, can I see from historical book of Islam, they are quoting this line?

[thorny steeple]

Which country are you in?

[red veldt]

Oh wait it’s not the same

It’s interesting

[red veldt]

Russia

[turbid ivy]

622*

[formal scaffold]

I have tons of those xd wait

[thorny steeple]

How is it there?

I like the Russian Empire

[red veldt]

Well shitty

[turbid ivy]

Lemme see, and why did these 12 people came from Madinah to meet Muhammad?

[thorny steeple]

I'm asking about the blessing

[red veldt]

More you know about it more depressed you get

[thorny steeple]

Orthodox tradition

[thorny steeple]

Because I will miss how good it was?

[red veldt]

Well we say that if someone doing you a favour

[red veldt]

The opposite

[formal scaffold]

One note badr "caravan stealing" didnt happen "abu sufyan" the leader of that caravan ran away according to islamic records ... and even if they were stolen its a retribution for mecca's pagan leaders staling muslims goods first @turbid ivy

[thorny steeple]

Hold on

We need Catherine and Peter I back!

Also Nicholas the 2ND

[red veldt]

No

I don’t think so

[thorny steeple]

Your economy would be dead if Russian hadn't conquered Siberia

[red veldt]

Only Peter I in some way I guess could be revived

[thorny steeple]

Wouldn't it, you rely so much on oil and natural gas

[thorny steeple]

Which ones?

[red veldt]

There is countless countries that rely on its people and they’re prosperous

Russia with huge resources can’t be prosperous somehow

[red veldt]

In being pro European

[turbid ivy]

Lol I just read from Al Tabari, Muhammad was literally looting their Carravans, between Mecca and Madinah since they were trading in Syria

[red veldt]

And looking towards Europe

Right now it would save Russia

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

I think that was because of the URSS heritage

Dictatorship heritage and rivarly against the West

[red veldt]

Yes

But most importantly Russian people inherit it

which makes it complicated

[thorny steeple]

My stepfather asked me why do Russian just don't kill Putin

Like, if it was that simple

He will put Medvedev on its place

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4pm2fSYhCI

can't find free books

[red veldt]

Your father perhaps doesn’t understand that people support him

Even in the crisis

[turbid ivy]

Putin also tryna occupy land...
Uahjkjg no free Ukraine? I can't see people holding banner

[formal scaffold]

ofc he did but you mentioned badr which is a diffrent case .... and they had every right too ...

[turbid ivy]

Ayo, can you quote from the actual sources instead of sending a video. Cause Jews rejected Muhammad Madinah, they were not expecting for Muhammad. You are confused, they are expecting for the Messiah

[formal scaffold]

in the vedio he's stating all the sources used

he's a theology teacher

[thorny steeple]

Is it many people?

Most of the country?

[turbid ivy]

You mentioned Badr and quoted Matthew, tryna commit Tu Quoque fallacy?

[turbid ivy]

Name me those sources 😵‍💫

[formal scaffold]

An eye for an eye baby, you are saying that it's stealing, I'm questioning your belief really you don't seem very christian to me

[formal scaffold]

it's literraly in the first seconds in the vedio

[red veldt]

Yes

[formal scaffold]

you didn't even click I see

[turbid ivy]

What about eye for an eye?

[red veldt]

At least 60% supporters

But I think there is much more than that

[formal scaffold]

they stole their houses and goods and killed their families that's one eye, I let you find the other eye dude

[turbid ivy]

Watch it and tell me the name of the book and page number

[thorny steeple]

Is putin the new tsar?

Tsar Putin the 1st

[turbid ivy]

Who stole their houses ?

[red veldt]

Well some sort of

But brand new tsar you know

[turbid ivy]

Heavy claim, no sources
😵‍💫

[formal scaffold]

The Beginning and the End – Volume Four
Author: Ibn Kathir
Chapter: The Pledge of Allegiance to the Prophet Muhammad on Islam and the Testimony of Faith on the Day of the Conquest

Imam Ahmad narrated: Abdul Razzaq told us, from Ibn Jurayj, from Abdullah ibn Uthman ibn Khuthaym, who said that Muhammad ibn al-Aswad ibn Khallaf informed him that his father al-Aswad saw the Messenger of Allah ﷺ giving the pledge of allegiance to the people on the Day of the Conquest. He said: He sat at a corner facing the people and took their pledge on Islam and the testimony of faith.

I asked: What is the testimony of faith?

He said: Muhammad ibn al-Aswad ibn Khallaf informed me that the pledge was for belief in Allah, the testimony that there is no deity but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger.

Ahmad is the only one who reported this.

According to Al-Bayhaqi: The people, both men and women, young and old, came to him, and he took their pledge on Islam and the testimony of faith.

Ibn Jarir said: Then the people gathered in Mecca for the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet ﷺ on Islam. He sat for them—according to what I was informed—on the hill of Safa, with Umar ibn al-Khattab seated lower than his position. He took their pledge for listening and obeying Allah and His Messenger to the best of their ability.

He said: When he finished with the men’s pledge, he pledged to the women, among them Hind bint Utbah, who was veiled and disguised because of her youth. She feared that the Prophet ﷺ might hold her accountable for her past actions against Hamzah. When they approached the Prophet ﷺ to pledge, he said: "Pledge to me on the condition that you do not associate anything with Allah."

..... continue yrself

[turbid ivy]

Link that book here

[formal scaffold]

https://archive.org/details/BookOfTheEnd_ibnkathir

[turbid ivy]

What this story proves?,

[formal scaffold]

that your claims are bs

[turbid ivy]

Which claim?

[formal scaffold]

I'm as lazy as you buddy maybe a bit less but let's not bs each other

[turbid ivy]

622* that's typo
https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/04/29/muhammad-and-saffiya/

[formal scaffold]

you claimed that he suddenly captured the jewish tribes and that he entred medina and that they were "stealing" what it's rightfully theirs

[formal scaffold]

Classic

[turbid ivy]

That's what he did, according to Al Waqidi, he sent Abi Bakr to ask for money, cause he didn't have a job , I gave posted the sources above

[formal scaffold]

does this proove anything but the mischeivous nature of some people in ban el-nadir

[turbid ivy]

I use classic

[formal scaffold]

I don't see where it says he don't have a job xD

[turbid ivy]

Such as?

I will quote early historian, Ibn Ishaq on that

[formal scaffold]

you disregarded the pacts and went about yr claims?

[turbid ivy]

Do you know what was his job?

[formal scaffold]

BLud they said they'll give him money, they lied, and sent someone to kill him, did u read any of these?

[turbid ivy]

What in exactly? Here https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/04/29/the-massacre-of-banu-qurayza/

[turbid ivy]

Khyah khyy khyah 🔪

[formal scaffold]

you didn't accept my web articles and vedios how come I can read that NOBU YUBU BS xD

[turbid ivy]

Umar and Ali were there, did they notice it?

[turbid ivy]

I have posted actual sources

[formal scaffold]

Appearently you didn't read it then ...

[formal scaffold]

source of bs

[turbid ivy]

What does it say? Umar and Abi Bakr were there, did they notice anything like this?

When Jewish said we will help you. Muhammad suddenly came out of their Palace and went to Madinah. Abi bakr and Ali were tired waiting for him, but he didn't come when he left. They found him in Madinah and asked him, Why did you leave? He said, because Jews tried to kill me, I got a revelation about it so left khahaha

Abi Bakr and Ali were waiting tired for him, cause they didn't notice anything like Jews tried to kill them or to kill Muhammad. How many witnesses does it require to prove that a man is not lying? We will go through the Sharia standard to judge Muhammad

[formal scaffold]

Matthew 2:13: After Jesus was born, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, "Get up, take the child and his mother and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to destroy him."

😄 that's rich coming from yr bible

Luke 9:51: "As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem.

[turbid ivy]

It seems Muhammad was making a plan to get rid of them. A Muslim from a different tribe kills 2 people from the next Tribe, Muhammad goes to ask money from the Jews to pay the blood wit lol

[formal scaffold]

BUhahaha was jesus delulu in the bible to imagine all of that?

[turbid ivy]

Nice deflection, I didn't blame any party here

[formal scaffold]

Matthew 4:1: "Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil."
My father Lays or cheetos?
my blood is wine

[turbid ivy]

So, you are now tryna change the topic, interesting 🤔

[formal scaffold]

that's the logic you are using mocking another relegion bc of "revelation" while yours has infinite amount of dbz likes of powers

[turbid ivy]

Post the arguments buddy

[formal scaffold]

isn't that ironic? are you using yr emotions with no brains? that questions will stay there until you wake up from that church red wine and chips

how's mocking with no logic an argument in the first place?

get yourself some rest yr brain might've rotten from all that bs

I need some too after hearing yrs take cares lol

[turbid ivy]

This is not related to the revelation. When you blame some one by claiming they are tryna kill you. You gotta provide the evidence for it, you can't just say they are tyna kill you, it's a mere claim. Because you are tryna kill that person by claiming they wanna kill you

That's how the court works

[formal scaffold]

when you claim that god is your father you gotta at least bring a birth certificate

when you claim that god told you that 3=1 at least do a correct math

[royal spruce]

you are so lost 💀

[turbid ivy]

How many eyewitnesses requires according to Sharia law that a person is not really lying?

[formal scaffold]

I'm using his logic lol

we need witness for any claim from heaven

[formal scaffold]

how many eyewitnesses attended god's visiting marry's house in yr bible?

[turbid ivy]

Bieth certificate? It just like saying if Allah is God, bring him right infront of me

[formal scaffold]

congrats you can see yr own bs xD

[turbid ivy]

Did I claim Mary accused anyone?

[turbid ivy]

Alright, can you bring Allah in front me?

[formal scaffold]

excatly you are so close to notice the irony of the logic u are using

but yr emotions are on the way

[royal spruce]

[turbid ivy]

Did i claim Mary claimed this guy or that person is tryna kill her?

[formal scaffold]

let's bring eyewitnesses for every claim, you should start since christianity came first after u do bring all eyewitnesses about every claim of revelation in the bible then I can start lol

[turbid ivy]

[formal scaffold]

was talking about jessus brith lol you are not following 🤣

[turbid ivy]

So you can't argue without Tu Quoque fallacy? Oh there is always a Tu Quoque

[formal scaffold]

after you bring yr eyewitnesses bro I'm open to talk to you ❤️

about every heavenly claim there is

From adam for starters

[turbid ivy]

Now, Did Abi Bakr and Ali notice Jews tryna kill Muhammad? Before that, you gotta answer why did Muhammad come to the Jewish tribe to ask money?

[formal scaffold]

that's following your own logic, if you gotta blame something blame your brain for using it on that incident without using it on yr own book

[turbid ivy]

So you have no answer, ie you are scared?

[formal scaffold]

oldest trick in the book, I'll force u to speak by saying are you scared, well kiddo I'm not interested not a tinniest bit scared of a virtuel person xD

[turbid ivy]

Alright, now stop running away and answer this question

Now, Did Abi Bakr and Ali notice Jews tryna kill Muhammad? Before that, you gotta answer why did Muhammad come to the Jewish tribe to ask money?

[formal scaffold]

for the last time bring yr eyewitnesses, check the definition of irony, if you are willing to use a logic use it one the whole world or else it wouldn't be called logic

[royal spruce]

Both of you are pinheads bro 🤣

[formal scaffold]

I'm sitting down not running away lol

[formal scaffold]

Bro's delulu

[turbid ivy]

OK, now answer the question... cause my policy is I don't change the topic neither I do let them change unless they give up

[formal scaffold]

he said revelation, followed by eyewitnesses xD who can seee angellllls

[turbid ivy]

Did Abi Bakr and Ali notice that Jews tried to kill Muhammad?
Wack wack

[formal scaffold]

there was no eye witnesses dude xD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qYC8J63KL0

[turbid ivy]

Are you also a Muslim?

[formal scaffold]

blud got one vedio, and guess what dadaaaaaaan, ISLAMOPHOBIA

just one vedio xD

[turbid ivy]

Ah so they didn't notice. Thank for agreeing with me.

And 2nd, why did Muhammad come to the Jewish tribe to beg for the money?

[turbid ivy]

[crimson pollen]

[royal spruce]

No bro

While I have knowledge on Islam I wouldn’t say I’m Muslim per say

[turbid ivy]

I see. Sheikha sounds like a Muslim name 🤔

[royal spruce]

Because it is a title yeah 🤣

[turbid ivy]

why

[turbid harbor]

ngl i really want to see that komp space guy pop out again he's the only one who can present actual intelligent views here instead of prattling the same carbon copy conservative sentiments with all flavors of rudimentary grammar

[royal spruce]

Just because I don’t care much about religion

It is what it is

[formal scaffold]

it's queit refreshing to use the chat for that ... at least for me I had a blast and laughed my arse off

[turbid ivy]

Hello @desert nebula, who did completely memories the Quran?

[turbid harbor]

i scrolled up and the talks were teetering on anti-semitism only saved by not saying any murderous rhetoric outright 😭 can you sunnis calm down, thankfully we have no shias here otherwise the chat would've seen mass bans

[formal scaffold]

Well can you define semites for me?

[royal spruce]

Shia are chill

In my experience

[turbid ivy]

Are you a Shia?

[formal scaffold]

why it's ok to be anti any country except israel? and why they use the term antisemites instead of anti jews? why are you equating adressing the zioniste state of israel to adressing jews? @turbid harbor

[turbid harbor]

and there it is 😭 im not gonna argue about the canonicity of definitions of recounts of religious stories, not a fan and its part of a moral grandstanding i think would only waste my time. im just going to return to making pamphlets and arranging organization tactics, goodbyde

[turbid harbor]

im primarily invested in sufism, does that answer your question?

[formal scaffold]

so you like to make baseless claims and accusations and too lazy to face consequences noted

[turbid ivy]

Do you accept Sahih Muslim?

[formal scaffold]

the procrastinations and hate here isn't surprising lol

[desert nebula]

Bro

[turbid ivy]

What do you think about Islamic Adult breastfeeding?

[desert nebula]

https://www.islamweb.net/en/fatwa/315589/proof-that-some-companions-memorized-quran-during-lifetime-of-prophet-muhammad

https://www.google.com/amp/s/islamqa.info/amp/en/answers/223036

[turbid ivy]

This before Zaid compiled the Koran or after?

[formal scaffold]

I think we should switch to wine and chips ......

[desert nebula]

I sent them in that chat already you have to check the sources from where you get your questions fr

[formal scaffold]

who memorized the bible? said no one ever

[turbid ivy]

But Muhammad said to Muslim women to Suckle grown up men tho? 🙄

[turbid harbor]

no man i just dont like to engage with discussions about the jewish identity that defaults to bruno bauer's conclusion on the safety of jewish people. and i adverse bearing ethnic-based prejudices bc i have the creed of a sane gal 😭

[turbid ivy]

You can't memorize the 66 books

[desert nebula]

During the life of prophet of Muhammad generally

[turbid harbor]

good luck with the discussion though

[formal scaffold]

Ohhhhhhhh the one that sucled her step son so that she can be his real mom at least once, how honest of you to bring that up in that phrase well summarized, can I do the same for your book now?

[turbid ivy]

Again tu Quoque, I never claimed we memorized the Bible entirely. Did you hear that?

[formal scaffold]

oh you guys don't mind sex between step son and step mom forgot xD

[desert nebula]

If a child is able to memorize the whole Quran now so did the companions who had a strong memory and were profitent in poetry

[turbid ivy]

This is incorrect I want you to read sahi al bhukhari 4986

[turbid ivy]

Uh, so it's cool to Suckle grown up men? To make him Mahrah, by the way, child bride of Muhammad, the mother of Muslims also did that 🥴

[formal scaffold]

THE HOLY BOOK GET YOUR TISSUES READY

[turbid ivy]

Can I see the chapter and the verse?

[formal scaffold]

Feast your eyessss lols

[turbid ivy]

What's the law of God says?

[formal scaffold]

idk you tell me xD

if you are drunk thy can smash thy daughters or sm shit

Bible Playboy

I think I overcooked here, bro don't forget Irony chases ppl like you to the grave so stop digging yours xD

NIght night (give respect = earn it, try to cook = you might get cooked)

[desert nebula]

What's incorrect...it's actually proving my point Umar pointed to Abu bakr to gather the Quran in one book bc they lost many people who memorized Quran by heart in the battle

😭😭why instead of trying to prove me your religion is right you're trying to prove mine is incorrect ....your intention isn't good for sure bc I don't feel it's a debate either

[turbid ivy]

Oou got it so, you are blatantly lying 🤥

[formal scaffold]

srsly what are you on? would it matter if god allowed it? why are u shifting it to the law while old dude smashed his daughters? I mean is the chruch win this strong?

[turbid ivy]

I can't be drunk..being drunk is a sin, Lot committed a sin by being drunk. And his daughters revealed his nakedness, the law says to not to reveal the nakedness of your parents. Lot's daughter's did it, they committed sins. Also they r*ped their father. Again that's a sin according to the law, it's also an adultery, again they sinned.

[turbid ivy]

I love cooking 🍳

[formal scaffold]

any eyewitnesses? xD

[turbid ivy]

Zaid started collecting, and where did her collect it from?

[formal scaffold]

you sure love them eyewitnesses only about muhamed (pbuh) tho

[turbid ivy]

Eye witnesses about?

[turbid ivy]

Can you come to the Transcendent vc

[formal scaffold]

I'm not into trans I'm straight

but we can talk another day on VC

1 on 1

[turbid ivy]

You can come to the P & R

I will educate you both on Islam and the Bible

[formal scaffold]

I can do what I want you don't have to tell me what can I Do dude

[formal scaffold]

the Nobu gobu version

[turbid ivy]

Don't run away like ur prophet lol khahah, I'm not like Jibreel who presses the neck of Muhammad

[formal scaffold]

I used to say that in primary school to taunt people

I can go for eternity about the bible xD

not feeling it rn

we'll have fun another day buddy

[turbid ivy]

I will teach you something new

[formal scaffold]

sure be quick I'm not willing to drag this any longer

[turbid ivy]

So how I debunked you when you were talking about Lot

[turbid ivy]

Yeah, new Teaching for you would be, adult breastfeeding in Islam khahah

[formal scaffold]

sadly you didn't debunk shit I was doing your approach of "misquoting" something

I even said that i'll do it

[turbid ivy]

So, when you adopt a grown up man, your wife can Suckle him?

[formal scaffold]

you don't follow do you?

I need a faster anti islamist student tbf

[turbid ivy]

@formal scaffold would be? I think you should adopt me so she could lol

[formal scaffold]

One, since in God's laws, there's no such thing as step mom or step dad until they breastfeed him they are considred as their true mom, althought one pervert like maybe yrself might find this funny lol

and don't find lot's story funny quiet ironic

[formal scaffold]

U mean my wife? just get drunk and do your daughters mate lol

[turbid ivy]

So, when she suckes him 5 times or 10 times, it's awesome, Wow he notices her b*s

[turbid ivy]

It's also halal in Islam?

[formal scaffold]

typical pervert energy, I wouldn't adopt you since you are a ... you know ... my son would be in danger

https://tenor.com/view/having-a-talk-butters-stotch-father-maxi-south-park-a-boy-and-a-priest-gif-19488686

[turbid ivy]

That's not Islamic? I thought a Muslim woman can Suckle a grown-up man

By the way, to Suckle a grown up man, you don't have to adopt, since Aisha and Aisha suckled their b....s to unadopted men

She was like that's a grown up man... Muhammad be like, do it Aisha

[formal scaffold]

and that's why I was teaching you about misquoting, but stones learns and you can never learn what irony is xD

[desert nebula]

Verses first were preserved either by heart or it was written on random things like palm leaves, stones etc.
Zaid gathered them into like one book that's it

[formal scaffold]

Forget about the VC you need an asylum at this point dude xD

I can help you, you are way too deep in that shit, quit the chips and wine

[turbid ivy]

[Sahih Muslim 1453 b] A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hadhaifa, lived with him and his family in their house. She (i. e. the daughter of Suhail came to Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) and said:
Salim has attained (purbety) as men attain, and he understands what they understand, and he enters our house freely, I, however, perceive that something (rankles) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa, whereupon Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) said to her: Suckle him and you would become unlawful for him, and (the rankling) which Abu Hudhaifa feels in his heart will disappear. She returned and said: So I suckled him, and what (was there) in the heart of Abu Hudhaifa disappeared.

Suckled him

[turbid ivy]

Qursn should be learned from Zaid?

[desert nebula]

Speak respectfully about our prophet we don't insult Jesus or talk about how he was crucificied (according to you) ok

[formal scaffold]

step mom- suckle once to become a family since she's his step mom - blud says it's unethical for a step mom to breasfeed her son in law since his old, yet a baby can suckle from any random women , while claiming the opposite of what he post, exagerrate
why exagerrate? since he knows he can't "debunk" me if it's not exagerrated nor wrong

[turbid ivy]

Jibreel didn't press his neck?

[desert nebula]

Wdym by should be learnt from Zaid? He gathered it so yeah we're grateful to Jim but there was many teacher who taught Quran too

[turbid ivy]

She Suckles her b...s 5 times, nice ethic

Also it's not about adopted kids because Aisha didn't adopt any kids yet she suckled her b...s

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad said the quran should be learned from 4 people,,right? Is Zaid in that list?

[formal scaffold]

“David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king's son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.” 1 Samuel 18:27

cough cough... since you asked about getting breasfed by my wife it's only fair to use yr bible on u
don't call me terrorist after 😉

[turbid ivy]

David the strongest man, killed 200 Philistines and brought their foreskin.

Mighty man, unlike Muhammad he consumed Camel pias and died by poison

Nah, I prefer 5 times milk dahaha

[formal scaffold]

guess who vanquished the romans and persians T_T
I cry I lie

Even pinnocio wouldn't dare lol

[turbid ivy]

Not Muhammad dahah, cause a woman killed him lol

Such a weak guy killed by a woman

[formal scaffold]

what's that? sexisme

lmao, guess the discord kittens will run away "father"

[turbid ivy]

Aaiishhaa khyah khhha ewwwadd a poison Killin me
https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/07/26/how-did-muhammad-die-allah-cut-off-the-aorta-of-muhammad-🗡️/

[formal scaffold]

what in the 240 P is that xD

4 pixel ( from an eyewitness btw)

[turbid ivy]

Allah cutting off the àorta of Muhammad

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad himself said khaha

Ewww wahaha Aisha poison killing me ewww

[formal scaffold]

it's a nobo gubu animations, dude congrats you can model 240 p vids, hope yr lies will be in 8k soon

or is it an image?

[turbid ivy]

If you will debate with me, then you will know

[turbid ivy]

Thoughts?
https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/06/27/halal-to-do-wudu-in-period-blood-halal-to-consume-period-blood-in-islam-🤤/

[formal scaffold]

You'll know true bull shit, the bull shit of the old tells of tales that no one can get .... and you shall accept it for I will keep saying it and spreading it's nasty smell till you surrender to it's will, glory be to gobu nubu

[turbid ivy]

Hadith is old tales, wow

[formal scaffold]

ayo dude srsly I know it's fun mocking peopel like u but it's getting late, I don't want to get addicted doing u

Keep it that way dude so that u make us smile 🙂

[turbid ivy]

Khaha good luck

[turbid ivy]

I see
https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/islam/

@desert nebula was Koran memorized by Zaid bin Thabit?

[turbid ivy]

Dude said adult sucklings is fine 🙂

Eww waagh

[desert nebula]

He didn't say " it should" he adviced them to learn from those 4 specifically for some reasons one of them is that they learned from the prophet directly and had good pronounciation ..if you're more interested you can search about them

[desert nebula]

Why do you care don't worry about him he was known for his memorizations skills

[turbid ivy]

What Zaid bin thabit in that list, sir?

[turbid ivy]

Ah, but he hadn't completely memorized it

[turbid ivy]

Sahih al-Bukhari 4999: Narrated Masriq:

Abdullah bin Amr mentioned Abdullah bin Masud and said, "I shall ever love that man, for I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, 'Take (learn) the Qur'an from four: Abdullah bin Masud, Salim, Muadh and Ubai bin Kab.' "

Let's talk about Ibn Masud

Let's see what Ibn Masud says about the Zaid's Koran. The Quran today you have is Cairo 1924, most likely compiled by Uthman, and Uthman got that copy from Hafsah, and Hafsah got that copy from Umar, and Umar got that copy from Zaid.

[desert nebula]

What's the relation 😭Zaid gathered the Quran
The four mentioned our prophet adviced us to learn from them at their time

[desert nebula]

No comment fr 😅

He did if you're interested

Zaid was young but he was a genius my prophet gave him different missions

[turbid ivy]

The relation is, Zaid hadn't memorized the Quran, and the people as I mentioned Ubbay ibn Kaab and ibn Masud, disagreed with Zaid's Koran.

[turbid ivy]

[desert nebula]

He used to translate what was sent from the Jews(Hebrew to Arabic) also my prophet asked him to learn Syriac ....his story is beautiful indeed that's why you're interested

https://www.alim.org/history/prophet-companions/28/

[desert nebula]

I don't for how many times I'll repeat that Zaid GATHERED the Quran

It was written but as I said on separate things and then Umar came with the idea to gather them in one book after they lost many people who memorized it by their heart

Zaid was responsible and smart that's why he received this mission like other ones

[turbid ivy]

That's why there are many stories from Talmud or from syriac gospel can be found in the Koran, I knew it

[desert nebula]

Lol you forgot that the previous prophets were Muslims too:))

[turbid ivy]

I understand but people who had memorized the Quran completely, did they agree with Zaid's collected Koran?

[desert nebula]

Besides Syriac/Aramaic was the language spoken by Christians or in the levant generally so it might have been important at that time

[turbid ivy]

Yadhhaha 😵‍💫, how did you know lol

[turbid ivy]

Do you know the story in the Quran Jesus talking from the cradle?

[desert nebula]

He was choosen by Abu bakr and Umar so...?

[turbid ivy]

[desert nebula]

I thought you knew

[desert nebula]

Yep it was one of his miracles

[turbid ivy]

Umar and Abi Bakr didn't memorize the Quran and the Quran Shouldn't be learned from them

[desert nebula]

Do you the miracle of Adam who was born with no parents too?

[turbid ivy]

Yadhhaha but that sorry is copied from infancy gospels

[turbid ivy]

He wasn't born. God created him from the dust. Genesis chapter 1 and 2.

[desert nebula]

If you were living with them you won't be even that confident bro😭

First said no one memorized the Quran then said they're only four and now what

[turbid ivy]

They would have killed me certainly khaha

[turbid ivy]

I was testing your knowledge

[desert nebula]

It's not copied but was sent by jibreel and again Jesus was a Muslim so we have his story besides the other prophets too

[desert nebula]

So it's a greaaaat miracle. Is he the son of God too?

[turbid ivy]

Uh, no. The story is a literal copy. How Jesus a Muslim?

[turbid ivy]

He is a son of God in a sense God created him, God nurtured him and God cared him. It's a spiritual relationship

[turbid ivy]

I wanna know How Jesus is a Muslim , sir

Tak tak

Believe me or not but that's gross

Lemme tell you about the story of Lot and his daughters..

The Bible records history, it records what people did. It records what God said them to do and what people did in actually.

We notice Lot was drunk, he shouldn't have been drunk. [Woe to those who rise early in the morning, that they may run after strong drink, who tarry late into the evening as wine inflames them! Isaiah 5:11]

The Daughters of Lot made him drunk. [“Woe to him who makes his neighbors drink— you pour out your wrath and make them drunk, in order to gaze at their nakedness! Habbakuk 2:15]

The Daughters of Lot revealed the nakedness of their father, ie they r*ped him. [7 You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, which is the nakedness of your mother; she is your mother, you shall not uncover her nakedness, Leviticus 18:7]

What God said, and what people did. Lot and his daughters went against the basic morality. Hence, they sinned.

@formal scaffold

We also notice the samething about Solomon, we notice Solomon having multiple wives, he had 700 wives and 300 concubines. We read in the law, it says the king shouldn't have many wives and he shouldn't marry from the foreign countries. [16 The king, moreover, must not acquire great numbers of horses for himself or make the people return to Egypt to get more of them, for the Lord has told you, “You are not to go back that way again.” 17 He must not take many wives, or his heart will be led astray. He must not accumulate large amounts of silver and gold., Deuteronomy 17]

Hence Solomon went against the law, that's how he sinned , in fact, he had started worshiping Asterah and Baal, since his wives turned his heart from his God..

He had started worshipping false Gods, when the law says not to do it.

Same with King David, David had also multiple wives when the law says he shouldn't have multiple haves, also David committed adultery with Bathsheba , when the law says not to. Hence, he sinned..

And David repented for it because God brought calamity upon him..

Unlike in Islam, Muhammad lusts after his adopted son's wife, instead of punishing like Yahweh punished David for committing adultery, Allah gives licence to Muhammad to say it's Halal for you Muhammad. Like what

[agile jolt]

Jesus is God

Let's see, how to explain it to you; so that you understand it in a simple way. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are in substance and essence the same entity. Jesus is God made flesh to redeem us from our sins. God becomes flesh through Jesus to save us from our sins. That is why Jesus is at the same time: Man/Son of God/God/Word/Holy Spirit. Because Jesus is the word of God, he is the word. He is god made flesh. Before Abram was born, I am

I am the way, the truth. Whoever knows me, knows the father. But whoever does not know me will have the wrath of God

[thorny steeple]

Yeah the creator of a billion galaxies,the beauty of a supernova,the sheer power of a black hole,is worried about muhammads marital affairs like wtf

[shy summit]

👁️👄👁️

I
B e g
Y o u r
F u c k i n g
P a r d o n?!

[thorny steeple]

Alhamdulillah

[shy summit]

Frankly I’m more inclined to believe in Realmatic Theory than I am in the abrahamic faiths… cause at least Realmatics explain exactly what things like a Soul, Destiny, and Gods are…

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Realmatic_Theory

[plush geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/khabib-alhamdulillah-muslim-thanks-ufc-gif-12699545

[turbid ivy]

[turbid ivy]

[shy summit]

Yes the creator of such grandeur isn’t busy like… fixing the drake equation but is instead busy worrying about whether I think my neighbor has a fine-ass set of hungungalogoogas

[wraith sorrel]

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

Are you a Protestant, Nobu?

[normal dawn]

I am Hindu

[thorny steeple]

Okay, cool

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-discuss-talk-lets-talk-gif-21804442

Okay

When will Cristianoooo Ronaldo overtake MrBeast

[magic olive]

I guess its gonna take a year cuz if Cristiano really has 300 followers on instagram it took time for him to get those followers too
+
There are bot users and fake accounts too so i would say its gonna be a challenge for cristiano ronaldo and he also has to come up with new content too. Thats what i think

[feral river]

It's quantum era I don't understand why someone still obsess with some social tool used for rule certain group of people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum

but I don't care anymore since they are losing anyways

even top 20 😭

[magic olive]

Hi san

[desert nacelle]

@magic olive Robot does need to be manually maintained but as we know they're progressing and evolving better and faster than living being.

What takes an organic cells to evolve independently relying to a chance that it's natural environment gives in the thousand of years process.

Robots as we know at the moment evolving much faster in the span of a mere decade.

Soon they will be autonomously maintaining themselves.

[thorny steeple]

who labelled them and its nothing to do with Islam

[pearl condor]

true. it is to do with the impoverished status of many of the countries of the middle east. its like how in improvished latin america, drug cartels formed. these groups just use things like "religion" to rally disenfranchised young men to their side, further destabilizing their respective nations.

[feral river]

I didn't say it has anything to do with Islam, but see how it shows

[agile jolt]

For this debate, we need someone else, I'm going to travel back in time to look for someone

[thorny steeple]

that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "What befell the children of Isra'il will befall my Ummah, step by step, such that if there was one who had intercourse with his mother in the open, then there would be someone from my Ummah who would do that. Indeed the children of Isra'il split into seventy-two sects, and my Ummah will split into seventy-three sects. All of them are in the Fire Except one sect." He said: "And which is it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "What I am upon and my Companions." [Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2641]

Nice. You're proving Islam for me. Thank you. 😂

[magic olive]

Yeah thats a good point that they would become autonomous maintaining themselves
But human intervention would still be needed cuz then with the information it has, we don’t know what bad things it can do and make it happen

[pearl condor]

terrorist groups are often funded by organizations such as the CIA or other foreign powers to keep their rivals / enemies unstable. For example US funding of the Taliban or Irans funding of hamas

[desert nacelle]

Did you notice that if one person who lived under Sharia moved to a country that doesn't practice Sharia, they wouldn't want to go back again, yet they tried to preach Sharia in their new welcoming place.

[pearl condor]

all of this to say terrorist groups are not a symptom of religion, rather, they are a symptom of horrible political and economic decisions

[turbid ivy]

Non denom

[feral river]

well you gotta know is people used to believe something, people do need authority naturally, and how religion works is provide some literal evidence of they are legit and then market their ideas with their believers to do something in real.

[agile jolt]

Well, well, well, They told me about a robot vs. human debate

[magic olive]

If i talk about chat-gpt one of their architects mentioned that there’s a team that observes what the AI tool learns and speaks and there was a case that the tool was communicating in a encrypted language to a different source, in that case the team had to withdraw away some of its autonomous functions to avoid any uncertainty

[desert nacelle]

Human intervene each other because they have different purpose and goals, which they must allign to co exist.

What if robots could do the same.

[turbid ivy]

[feral river]

it's nothing special like I'm saying oh 1+1=2 this is the signal of god, and I'm the freaking messager of god, so believe me and other's all will freak out

[magic olive]

Yeah again a good point, we don’t know if robots reach at a point that they’re lives start to matter too. Its gonna be one hell of a journey of our generation
Alot has yet to come

[feral river]

dude this is 2024

[turbid ivy]

[feral river]

🤣

[agile jolt]

Robots are simply an invention of capitalism to replace the proletarian hand of man. They are not at all a complex metaphysical matter like the human being. It is true that at the epistemological level they can become complex from the biological point of view. But the human being has characters that are impossible to be replaced by a machine. Such as consciousness, or meta-consciousness

[thorny steeple]

What country today practices true Sharia law? There is none.
Assuming you're talking about what are labelled as Islamic countries today, nope, there many reasons for Muslims to settle in western countries, such as better economy etc... none of which include not practicing Sharia law.

[feral river]

I would say consciousness or meta-consciousness doesn't really related to the production speed

production efficiency, risk, cost is the points that determines which one is more qualified to do the job

[desert nacelle]

ISIL is a government on it's own because they have territory and people to govern.

[feral river]

you can remain your factory with human employer in the future, while other's using the fast, efficient robot factory with way cheaper products than you, you will bankrupt by yourself

[agile jolt]

I have not said production. I said that the invention of robots is to replace the exploitation of the worker. In the end, the robot will simply be another slave to the work assigned to it, it will never be a human. We are not our work, our work is invented by us. That is a matter of capitalism to identify with our work, robots if they are their work

[pearl condor]

https://tenor.com/view/shamery-hi-bot-gif-24359112

[feral river]

there is a stealth hand on the market that manipulate everything.

[agile jolt]

You're telling me something about the quality of the robot, and I'm talking to you about its objetive funcion

[desert nacelle]

Who would expect an AI to make a realistic video, I didn't expect it until recently.

So it would be amazing to see them to be able to live autonomously, even with mechanical body.

[magic olive]

Expect the unexpected i guess

Hehe

[agile jolt]

Is a bot simply an algorithm, think, in 19th century Germany did bots exist?

Of course no.

[thorny steeple]

yeah agree the combination of economic hardships and the appealing promises of extremist groups can lead to more instability and problems in affected regions.In history, extremist Christian ,budhist,and many other groups have emerged, such as certain militant sects during the Reformation or modern-day groups that use religious rhetoric to justify violent actions or political aims.

[feral river]

well I was saying that if you think robot can not replace human at all I agree, but on some jobs robot will replace them after the price of robot drop, efficiency of robot surpassed human.

[agile jolt]

That's why I'm telling you. The function of the robot is to replace the exploited worker hand

The new Proletariat: The Robot

[turbid ivy]

Saudi Arabia

[thorny steeple]

Yes now a days it shows like this but in past the sucide bombers are tamil tiggers which were hindus so its good that no one blame hinduism bcz it has nothing to do with it and hitler example is worth seeing too . RSS ideology

[agile jolt]

In many Muslim countries. Afghanistan for example

Islam is not religion, it is Geopolitics

[feral river]

I don't exclude the possibility of robot which will be developed like a human or human-like ultimately not only replace a bunch of cheap labors but will be largely used in almost every field possible

[thorny steeple]

What does that have to do what Islam? ISIS in general does takfir against whoever Muslim not conform to their doctrine. Refer to Sahih al-Bukhari 6930, where the prophet talks about groups of people that almost identical to today's ISIS.

Have a look at this video to know if ISIS represents any Islamic values.
https://youtube.com/shorts/WillivNWDJU?si=nixR7k969F2H7-YH

[desert nacelle]

Yeah the downside of an advanced robot or as colloquially called android was that they would be very inefficient in a world where rare minerals are scarce because these resources would be exploited for mankind leisure and needs.

[agile jolt]

The New Proletariat: The Robot

[turbid ivy]

I can show you few hadiths if you want to

[agile jolt]

Later El Robotal will be written

By I.a Marx

[thorny steeple]

ISIS followed a radical and extremist interpretation that is widely rejected by the majority of Muslims worldwide. ISIS used a distorted version of Islamic teachings to justify its actions, which included terrorism, violence, and the persecution of various groups.

[thorny steeple]

about what ?

[agile jolt]

¡AI from around the world Join us!

[turbid ivy]

Sahi al Bukhari
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 80i:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)."

[feral river]

well I would say some situation in the middle east is not like in other places, the order of the middle east is always under some great powers, in the past it's the UK, France, now it's United States, Russia, Saudi and Iran, those great powers represent their own interest and expand their influence over the region, it's not hard to understand a place with mess and some group can recruit some fighters to do something crazy like a bandit

[thorny steeple]

They only claim to practice it. In fact, they've done many things that directly go against Sharia law, and they seem to continue doing so 'till this day.

[turbid ivy]

They represent true Islam

[turbid ivy]

They are becoming Liberal, sure

[thorny steeple]

This hadith should be understood within the broader Islamic teachings about mercy, justice, and the importance of not misusing religious principles. The majority of Islamic scholars emphasize that extremist interpretations and acts of violence are not supported by mainstream Islamic teachings. Instead, Islam advocates for peace, compassion, and justice in dealing with others.

[desert nacelle]

In the process to re enact the Sharia law I suppose a lot of people would be posed to injustice, I talked about this with several young men from Libya previously, they said if there is injustice and they fall victimized by the Sharia due to human error they would be granted paradise in heaven. What more could they asked as muslim to God as the best price other than the best place in paradise.

Very Sharia minded if you asked me.

[thorny steeple]

ure islamophobic and brain washed by ur media

[turbid ivy]

Oou leally?

حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ يُوسُفَ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ، عَنْ مَيْسَرَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي حَازِمٍ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَة َ ـ رضى الله عنه ـ ‏{‏كُنْتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ أُخْرِجَتْ لِلنَّاسِ‏}‏ قَالَ خَيْرَ النَّاسِ لِلنَّاسِ، تَأْتُونَ بِهِمْ فِي السَّلاَسِلِ فِي أَعْنَاقِهِمْ حَتَّى يَدْخُلُوا فِي الإِسْلاَمِ‏.‏

Narrated Abu Huraira: The Verse: --"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4557
https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4557

[thorny steeple]

You’re right in noting that the Middle East has been a focal point for global powers throughout history, and this external influence has significantly impacted the region's stability and conflicts.

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure whether Afghanistan is actually practicing it now. Last time I checked, they seemed to be restoring what America has destroyed, such as the economy and education.

[feral river]

but I think that's the best situation the middle east should be, you know after arab spring, some radical islamic organizations and boardcasters they do spread influence over the region and even such group like ISIS can came to power and expand in Syria and Iraq which culminately occupied a place with the same size of a Britain

[turbid ivy]

Can you tell me one thing they do which is not done by Muhammad?

[prisma cipher]

Yesterday Islamic terrorists ISIS seized a prison in Russia. All of them were killed

[turbid ivy]

[feral river]

I think that's the best situation of the middle east, remain divide and rule by western powers and the cold war between Saudi and Iran that keeps those groups inside of the middle east

[thorny steeple]

Any interpretation suggesting that Islam advocates for forcing individuals to convert is inconsistent with the core teachings of Islam, which emphasize voluntary faith and respectful engagement. Understanding the verse within its proper context and aligning it with the broader principles of Islam reveals its true meaning and purpose. you better reasearch briefly

[turbid ivy]

Isis are Muslims btw

[thorny steeple]

There are some rules of wars according to prophet muhamad even u cannot harm plants of enemies

[turbid ivy]

Can you explain that hadith? Putting the chain on the neck of people till they embrace Islam, oou leally peahful convo

[feral river]

I don't expect another great power will emerge in the middle east since everyone already got what they wants in that region, americans will do actions in Iraq, Syria, Saudi, Yemen, Taliban were trapped, Iran is stagnated so pretty ideal situation for us

[turbid ivy]

Like you can't cut their trees, you mean?

[feral river]

even in the western world, more political and violent events came out about islam and muslim so there is nothing to worried about

[agile jolt]

It is practiced or practiced, it doesn't matter. They are directed by Sharia

[feral river]

once they carried out all the stuff and face the actual threat of them, they will done as quick as you can't even know how they are done

[thorny steeple]

ys our religion is so peaceful

[turbid ivy]

[feral river]

or exploit them as miners like we do in africa ? idk if that works but Pakistan is already cooperating with us

[turbid ivy]

Oou leally?

(Sahih al-Bukhari 4031) Narrated Ibn Umar: Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) had the date-palm trees of Bani Al-Nadir burnt and cut down at a place called Al- Buwaira. Allah then revealed: “What you cut down of the date-palm trees (of the enemy) Or you left them standing on their stems. It was by Allah’s Permission.” (59.5) (Sahih al-Bukhari 2326) Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet (ﷺ) got the date palm trees of the tribe of Bani-An-Nadir burnt and the trees cut down at a place called Al-Buwaira. Hassan bin Thabit said in a poetic verse: “The chiefs of Bani Lu’ai found it easy to watch fire spreading at Al-Buwaira.”
(Sahih Muslim 1746 c) ‘Abdullah b. Umar reported that Allah’s Apostle (ﷺ) burnt the date-palms of Banu Nadir.

Whippe

[feral river]

middle east, still a playground of superpowers

[thorny steeple]

you cannot js take hadith like this there is always some context of every hadith and the background like on what occasion prophet said that and what was happening that time

[turbid ivy]

Oou explain it 😵‍💫

[thorny steeple]

I think you have a misunderstanding. Perhaps you're confusing Sharia law, which is a very broad term that encompasses all aspects of Islam in a country with Hudud punishments. Yes, Hudud punishments are part of Sharia. However, it's very unlikely that one would be wrongly punished due to the strict nature of the requirements for implementing any of the Hudud punishments.

Anyhow, I wouldn't see this as "Sharia minded". I'd see it as a genuine belief. Something that one rarely finds in other religions or even non-religions; yet they are the norm in Islam.

[thorny steeple]

its right agree This indicates that the destruction of the palm trees was done under divine permission as a measure against the transgressors (the Banu al-Nadir) and served as a punishment for their betrayal.

[feral river]

having the good meaning and purpose doesn't equals to market it as a tool to moblize people, every religion have their good meaning and purpose but every religion all have some intentions to expand, to recruit, even to rule.

that's just an ideology that used for moblize people to establish order

[turbid ivy]

So you can cut down their trees?

[thorny steeple]

I was talking about practicing true Sharia law. But okay, I'd be happy if Afghanistan is one of the rarest countries that practice Sharia, no worries.

[turbid ivy]

Can we have a vc for a while leally

[covert bobcat]

hello guys

[thorny steeple]

Religions, like other ideologies, can be used to mobilize people and pursue various goals. While the core teachings of most religions aim to offer moral and spiritual guidance

[manic juniper]

The trees and the animals living on them were innocents

[feral river]

you mean you like Taliban's rule of Afghanistan ? 🤣

[thorny steeple]

"The Prophet (ﷺ) said, ‘Do not cut down the fruit-bearing trees, nor destroy the crops, nor kill a sheep or a cow except for food.’”
— Sahih Muslim 1657

[feral river]

it is, that's why I would say having a good moral, a belief, and find guidance from religion is a good thing

[thorny steeple]

Perhaps "Islam is so just" would be more accurate. People interpret peaceful as simply being tolerant to anything, even to intolerance. Which is a paradox by the way.

[feral river]

but use it to establish order, you gonna face my machine gun with electric iron fence

[manic juniper]

lol

[thorny steeple]

agree

[turbid ivy]

Yet he himself cut down the trees , contradiction 101

[manic juniper]

Too bad they never achieved that in over 8000 years since their existence

[feral river]

lmao so damn true but still a good thing if they achieved that isn't it

at least in most secular state, religious activities are allowed and generally peaceful

[manic juniper]

Irreligion achieved more in like 400 years

[thorny steeple]

that must be specific incident

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure how they rule it. I'm saying if they are actually practicing Sharia law, then that would be good.
Lol, my message is clear about this.

[turbid ivy]

While fighting with enemies

[thorny steeple]

whats ur age ?

[turbid ivy]

22

[turbid ivy]

What's good in Sharia

[thorny steeple]

Islam.

[turbid ivy]

What's good in islam 🙁

[thorny steeple]

Truth.

[feral river]

you can consider that as Lenin's proletariant dictatorship

[covert bobcat]

u can simply read the quran if u want real answers.

[thorny steeple]

am nothing infront of you so better u vc with someone great knowledge of Islam

[feral river]

use this as tool to establish order of absolute rule of Islam

[turbid ivy]

Like marrying lil girls?

[feral river]

like Bolsheviks

[turbid ivy]

Leally ?

[lofty patrol]

U can read gita for real world answer

[thorny steeple]

who marry lil girls in Islam ?

[manic juniper]

Muhammad

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad your prophet

[thorny steeple]

yeah how can I debate with someone who is 5 years older than me and Islamophobic and brain washed

[feral river]

do you think I'm islamophobic ?

[thorny steeple]

it depends who want to not everyone is forced

[thorny steeple]

How does this work?

[thorny steeple]

not really

[turbid ivy]

How am I a Islamaphombic

[turbid ivy]

It's allowed right? Because Muhammad married a 6 years old? That's truth and Sharia

[thorny steeple]

Me too

[thorny steeple]

so do u respect Islam ?

[turbid ivy]

Nope 🙅‍♀️

[thorny steeple]

Alhamdulillah, the prophet is great

[manic juniper]

You can marry four of them by the way

You're not limited to one either as a man

[turbid ivy]

And can have s*x slaves

[thorny steeple]

Your wife has to allow it though

[thorny steeple]

yes its allowed why not

[turbid ivy]

And that's right?

[feral river]

btw if it's legal with enforcement I don't think that's not allowed or something

[thorny steeple]

look u cannot tolerate any religion

[manic juniper]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

why not

[turbid ivy]

I can 😉
Sahih al-Bukhari 6130) Narrated Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13

😒

[feral river]

I can have unlimited girls in which full of my palace if I'm an old emperor of China

[thorny steeple]

who said playing with dolls are forbidden

[pale crater]

huh?

[turbid ivy]

Sounds like Islam Jannah khiihi

[turbid ivy]

Forbidden for grown up men

[feral river]

legalism so crazy at that time if you violated the law, you will be killed, your bro and sis will be killed, your mom and dad will be killed, your family all will be killed 💀

[thorny steeple]

The practice is permissible as long as it does not involve inappropriate content or behavior

[thorny steeple]

And what does "lil girls" specifically mean? Some countries consider anyone below 13 a child, others raises the age to 16. It's all the way up to whatever limit they impose.

In Islam, the age marriage is constrained with pubescence, physical, and mental capacity. It's more accurate and better suited for any country, culture, era, or civilization. It's flexible that it can be implemented anywhere and anytime; yet it's so just and deterrent of harm.

[feral river]

that's legalism in Qin Dynasty

that barely have no conform to human nature but that works for hundred of years

[thorny steeple]

Nobu, i have questions

Can i ask them later when you're done with the discussion

[covert bobcat]

At the age of 9 some girls get mensus. Hence the same was the case with Hazrat Ayesha. And in the holy quran it is not mentioned that she didnt reach puberty which meant that she was mature for marriage.

[manic juniper]

There is no way a girl undergoes puberty at 6, especially in an age where nutrition is worse than it is today

[turbid ivy]

Can you quote any scholars?

[turbid ivy]

Generally the girls who aren't physically and mentally mature, like Aisha when she was 6

[covert bobcat]

At 6 years she was married by paper only didnt move in with Hazrat Muhammad

At the age of 9 she moved in with Hazrat Muhammad

[manic juniper]

Still weird

[turbid ivy]

He used to visit twice a day, buddy.

[covert bobcat]

Also Hazrat Muhammad was 25 when he married a 40 year old widow with kids to support her.

[feral river]

Islam doesn't exist at that time

[agile jolt]

This debate entails that someone else comes. The issue of robots has already passed

[thorny steeple]

The Prophet (ﷺ) came to my house while I was playing with some dolls. He smiled and said, 'What is this you are playing with?' I said, 'These are my dolls.' He asked, 'What is this that I see around them?' I said, 'These are horses with wings.' The Prophet (ﷺ) then said, 'Do the horses have wings?' I replied, 'No.' He smiled and said, 'If you are not telling the truth, then it is of no importance.'”
Sahih al-Bukhari 6130

how can be it prohibited

[manic juniper]

I don't get how this is supposed to make pedophilia better or less immoral

[covert bobcat]

In islam its prohobited to touch a woman before marrying

[turbid ivy]

Aisha was playing with dolls, indicates she hadn't reached the puberty, also she had no kids even after intercourse reason she was a kid

[covert bobcat]

for god sake. How does playing with dolls means she didnt reach puberty

[turbid ivy]

Do you play with dolls like Aisha?

[covert bobcat]

I got my mensus at 10

[turbid ivy]

Ouu, Muhammad used to visit her that means he touched her

[thorny steeple]

no the marriage was consummated when she was nine years old.

[thorny steeple]

I used to play with dolls but not now

[covert bobcat]

U visited school does that mean u touched all your classmates?

[thorny steeple]

don,t disrespect please

[turbid ivy]

Were you physically and mentally when you got your first menses?

[turbid ivy]

Before she became 9, was Muhammad entering her home?

[turbid ivy]

I'm talking about theighing

[turbid ivy]

Why not now?

[covert bobcat]

Nobu listen

[agile jolt]

I feel sorry for all Muslims, but the only true religion is the Apostolic/Catholic/Christian. It is the only religion that adheres to strong logical arguments that demonstrate the existence of God, to the most saving theological discourse for the ethics of Man, and to the moralis of citizens. Isaiah 10:8 There are those who defend evil with foolishness, saying that it is good

[covert bobcat]

okay u dont know what happens

In islam first there is nikkah

then there is ruksati

[turbid ivy]

You mean theighing is not allowed to a minor wife? I have the fatwa dihhi

[thorny steeple]

when Ayesha (RA) was young, the Prophet (ﷺ) did not begin living with her until she was older

[pale crater]

whoa that was sudden

[thorny steeple]

wdym by that 💀

[turbid ivy]

Did Muhammad enter Aisha freely before she become 9? Uuhu uhhu

[turbid ivy]

Leally?

[covert bobcat]

okay if u think that prophet muhammad only married young "kids" for fun what about his other wives who were all divorced and why did he marry hazrat khadija who wasa 40 years of age

[turbid ivy]

Why don't you play with dolls now?

[thorny steeple]

I don't know if you believe in god or not but if you do, I think you also should believe the word of god right?

[agile jolt]

Muhammad is simply a prophet. That he did not even know Christ, and that he also fears God. After him emerged that supposed religion, which is not a religion, it is geopolitical. Islam does not save you, nor will it be able to

[thorny steeple]

Maybe he visits I don,t know more about it

[turbid ivy]

Why would anyone marry a child dude? What was so urgency?

[manic juniper]

If someone marries a child and also some widows it doesn't take away from its immorality

[thorny steeple]

bcz I don,t wanna play

[thorny steeple]

I'd be skeptical about nutrition at their era being "worse" than today.
How about we ask Aisha herself about her marriage:

• "...Yes (you are right), but by Allah, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), I leave nothing but your name..." [Sahih Bukhari 5228]
• "The Prophet (ﷺ) died in my house on the day of my turn while he was leaning on my chest closer to my neck, and Allah made my saliva mix with his Saliva." Aisha added, "AbdurRahman came with a Siwak and the Prophet (ﷺ) was too weak to use it so I took it, chewed it and then (gave it to him and he) cleaned his teeth with it" [Sahih Bukhari 3100].
• "...How can it be (that a woman like me) should not feel jealous in regard to a husband like you..." [Sahih Muslim 2815].

So it seems to me that she loved the prophet so much. It never caused her harm and as all scholars have asserted, she was mentally, and physically capable of marriage. Additionally, the prophet consummated his marriage with her when she was 9. If he wanted to consummate his marriage with a child, why did he wait?
Furthermore, before the prophet, Aisha was already engaged to Jubayr ibn Muṭʽim.

[agile jolt]

I myself, persecuted Christians, ended up being an apostle

[turbid ivy]

He literally used to visit her twice a day

[desert nacelle]

I have bear witness to falsely charged Sharia law that costs life of foreign worker, interestingly I was talking about women worker from Indonesia (My country). Who worked in the country where Sharia is told to be practiced more loosely than it was, Saudi Arabia.

I was given this similar argument as well as you said, (it is unlikely for people to get punished until it reaches "nisab") when they explained about it.

Then I asked what if it was falsely charged or they were being framed as scapegoat. The answer is similar to what I gave you before, Paradise and Shaheed death.

[covert bobcat]

Dont ignore my question nobu. answer me why he married divorced women and a woman of 40 years of age

[thorny steeple]

Then whats prob if he visits

[covert bobcat]

u are only stuck on his one wife what about the rest?

[thorny steeple]

exactly

[covert bobcat]

And read the quran u will know otherwise its easy to argue here and waste our time as well

[turbid ivy]

He didn't wait, as I mentioned you can do theighing with your immature wife, he used to visit Aisha twice twice a day

[agile jolt]

Of course, you don't see that I'm an apostle. How can I not believe the word of God, if I saw him, if he saved me

[turbid ivy]

Because she was rich

[thorny steeple]

false allegations

[covert bobcat]

and what about the rest of his wives were they filty rich as well

[turbid ivy]

Theighing it's halal in Islam khhihi

[covert bobcat]

he also was very rich

[manic juniper]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383190/
The age of puberty is getting lower, not higher

[turbid ivy]

She wasn't rich?

[covert bobcat]

and he had great reputation

hazrat khadija herself proposed him by a messenger

they never had met before

[thorny steeple]

Don,t wanna answer that

[manic juniper]

Also I don't care about the fetishes of a dead guy, if he waited 3 years to have intercourse with a child, it's still immoral to me

[covert bobcat]

and she was impressed by his status

[thorny steeple]

is there any prob to marry rich people

[turbid ivy]

They were beautiful...
A Muslim can narry only upto 4, but this guy Muhammad who claims to be prophet can mardy more than 4, and it's only for him, khihhi

[covert bobcat]

DUDE HAZRAT MUHAMMAD WAS RICH AS WELL

[turbid ivy]

Why tu tu

[desert nacelle]

Khadija was a polytheist did you know, I am referring to the first wife of Muhammad PBUH.

[covert bobcat]

Oh so its a sin if a guy marries for beauty?

will u marry a divorced woman>

i dont think so

[turbid ivy]

Muhammad wasn't rich. If he was rich why he used to rob people's money? He had 10 10 wives to feed.

Can you tell me what what was the main source of his income?

[thorny steeple]

because I don,t want to

[covert bobcat]

trade

[agile jolt]

All those Muslims get rich, I don't understand how Islam allows attachment to material matters. The Kingdom of God is the only thing that should matter to us, above all material things

[turbid ivy]

Duhha

[desert nacelle]

He get it from his wife businesses.

[thorny steeple]

Islamophobic detected

[covert bobcat]

he was at first poor then he got rich. he literally was a commander as well but he donated most of his money as an example

[turbid ivy]

He was a servant who used to carry goods.
His was poor, and married a 40 years old Khadijah, because she was a rich woman 😵‍💫

[manic juniper]

That's not talking about Muslims, only about Islam

[turbid ivy]

Fact, amen

[covert bobcat]

omg she HERSELF PROPOSED HIM

[agile jolt]

How can you be anti-Islam if he is Islam himself is anti-Islam?

[covert bobcat]

If he were so greedy he would have proposed HER

[turbid ivy]

True

[thorny steeple]

how can be Islam Anti Islam

San Pablo, where are you from

[dapper laurel]

Well well well, conversation about Islam

[turbid ivy]

Because she was desiring for a young husband who could fulfil her desire

[agile jolt]

Your argument has no basis, it is like telling a Christian who defends traditional marriage to call him homophobic, you are simply making a fallacy ad Homien. Your argument doesn't make sense

[covert bobcat]

People used to accept gifts, war gains and sadqah to prophet muhammad and he did his own business

[manic juniper]

We didn't have these in months

[dapper laurel]

We're back in our prime

[agile jolt]

From Tarso of course

[thorny steeple]

Alhamdulillah, May Allah Guide you

[manic juniper]

There is even the ChatGPT droid guy

[turbid ivy]

Do you know he commanded grown up women to Suckle grown up men?

[thorny steeple]

Islam is a religion with its own set of beliefs, practices, and principles. It cannot be anti itself because that would mean contradicting its own core teachings and principles.

[manic juniper]

Although he already disappeared after I sent an actual study

[agile jolt]

Amen

[thorny steeple]

Where is tgat

[dapper laurel]

Mashallah

[thorny steeple]

Islam is the truth

[dapper laurel]

The whole gang came back then

[manic juniper]

Guide me where

[turbid ivy]

How come

[thorny steeple]

Ando is Muslim wallah

[manic juniper]

What's the difference between Allah and Google Maps

[desert nacelle]

Before Muhammad given the sign he was a prophet he used to be doing Meditation and Seclusion in the Cave of Jewel (Hira), it was at least for a month every year, and he used to give alms or provision to people who came to him, and he would then go back to his wife Khadija for more provision if the provision running out.

At the time he was at the late of his thirties.

[dapper laurel]

I am a Pastafarian

[thorny steeple]

Dont ask questions, you wont get an answer

[turbid ivy]

One is dumb abd another one is not.

[dapper laurel]

I'm simply different 😌

[thorny steeple]

Flying Spaghetti monster

[turbid ivy]

Leally?

[thorny steeple]

Leally

[nova panther]

yayaya

[ashen mortar]

your pfp is cute

[dapper laurel]

Maybe he can help you find the truth, be blessed

[thorny steeple]

So I think you also believe that quarn which is also the word of god we as Muslim believe in Jesus and the bible but we also believe that Muhammad is the last prophet that's sent to the world as in the phrase of the Surah Al-Ahzab (33:40):

"Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and the last of the Prophets. And Allah is Knowing of all things."

This verse establishes Muhammad as "the last of the Prophets," signifying that he is the final prophet in a line that includes figures such as Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. The term "last" (Khatam) indicates that no new prophets will come after Muhammad, according to Islamic belief. This concept is central to Islamic theology, affirming that Muhammad's teachings and revelations are complete and final, and that the Quran is the ultimate and unaltered guidance from God for humanity.

[thorny steeple]

I will be canonized alhamdulillah

[turbid ivy]

Do you know Muhammad commanded grown up women to Suckle grown up men?

[agile jolt]

Which coherent practices that prioritize human life are: allowing polygamy, allowing women to be seen as belonging to men, dressing them as if they were in mourning. Hitting oneself if we supposedly fail God. You will never find in the Christian religion that we have to condemn ourselves for our sins, on the contrary God knows that we are sinners, so when we accept Christ we accept salvation. You accept a prophet, we accept God

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/fsm-spaghetti-monster-gif-5611270

[plush geyser]

Hm
Wht is ur religion then

[pale crater]

whar

[ashen mortar]

he is no more i guess

[dapper laurel]

This is my god

[covert bobcat]

Prophet Muhammad only ate what he earned from his own hands thats why he worked as a shepherd at first. He also used to do business with his paternal uncle Abu Talib. It is well known in prophets biography. They also recieved gifts that they won during war.

[pale crater]

spaghetti

[covert bobcat]

which made him rich

[thorny steeple]

Dont follow this s*it

[covert bobcat]

Do your research

and read the quran then come and argue

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

[thorny steeple]

The fsm is just mocking other religions

[covert bobcat]

exactly

[ashen mortar]

he was merchant

[thorny steeple]

It was created as a joke

[agile jolt]

Jesus is no prophet. You don't even understand Jesus in a substantial way. Jesus is the word, the word of God, he is God made flesh. God/Jesus and the Holy Spirit are essentially the same substantial thing. They lack philosophy and have too much text. Continue to believe in what Muhammad says that he neither knew Christ nor knows what a prophet is

[dapper laurel]

But it is recognized as a real religion in the United States 😡 I'm recognized too 🦅

[thorny steeple]

Okay, no worries. As I previously said, I see this as a genuine and strong belief. However, assuming they are falsely charged. What does that have to do with Sharia law? It's the person who charged them who should be blamed, no?

Aber egal, schick Bilder von den römischen Münzen

[thorny steeple]

Aber nicht in Österreich

Ein weiter Grund dafür, warum man die USA nicht ernst zu nehmen kann

[agile jolt]

I am left with a phrase that your Muslims are amazed: Before Abram was born, I AM

I AM...

[dapper laurel]

I will, give me time to find them, I'm close to discovering the ancient mystery

[thorny steeple]

Was für ein Mysterium

[turbid ivy]

I have

Once khadijah died Muhammad became so poor, because he had no skills

[thorny steeple]

Good, so you know she was still living with her father before consummation.
Anyhow, what does him visiting his wife supposed to mean? Taking a good care of her and asking if she needs anything? It's of no use to attack Islam, no? 🤷‍♂️

[turbid ivy]

What's the truth in Islam?

[covert bobcat]

yeah he had no skills thats why everyone knows his name and most people follows his religion

[thorny steeple]

Dont ask questions, just accept that Islam is the truth

[turbid ivy]

Oou and he used to freely in her room to play with her twice a day, theighing lol

[dapper laurel]

And that's why Austria is not a world power like the United States 🦅

[turbid ivy]

[manic juniper]

Does it matter

[livid cedar]

You accept Christ and you accept salvation. And what about your sins against others ?

[agile jolt]

It does not exist. I think the only one is that God exists

[turbid ivy]

What do you think about adult sucklings

[dapper laurel]

So they can tell you that you are Islamophobic if it comes out that you are Christian, ez

[covert bobcat]

he had no skills thats why nobu knows his name till this day and nonmuslims are even accepting isalm WILLINGLY

[turbid ivy]

Right ✅️

[agile jolt]

God knows about your sins, so He condemns you when you don't try to change

[turbid ivy]

Why

[pale crater]

man this is just a religion warzone alot of the time

[thorny steeple]

Here are some reasons for each marriage:

1. Khadijah bint Khuwaylid: She was his first wife and the mother of his children. They married before his prophethood, and their marriage was based on love and mutual support.

2. Sawda bint Zamʿa: He married her after Khadijah's death. She was a widow, and the marriage aimed to provide her with protection and care.

3. Aisha bint Abi Bakr: He married her as a young girl. This marriage was part of political and religious alliances, and she held a special place as "Mother of the Believers" in Islam.

4. Hafsa bint Umar: She was also a widow, and marrying her was to support her and strengthen ties with Umar ibn al-Khattab's family.

5. Zaynab bint Khuzayma: He married her after her husband's death. She was known as "Mother of the Poor" due to her concern for the needy.

6. Umm Salama (Hind bint Abi Umayya): She was a widow with children, and the marriage aimed to support and care for her.

7. Zaynab bint Jahsh: She was previously married to Zaid ibn Haritha. The marriage was intended to demonstrate that lineage is not the only factor in relationships and to abolish the practice of adoption.

8. Juwairiya bint al-Harith: After being captured in a battle, she married the Prophet to free her and strengthen relations with her tribe.

9. Safiyya bint Huyayy: She was captured after the Battle of Khaybar, and the marriage aimed to free her and strengthen relations with her tribe.

10. Maymunah bint al-Harith: She was a widow, and marrying her was intended to reinforce ties with her tribe and to demonstrate principles of justice and compassion.

Most of the Prophet's marriages had social and religious objectives, contributing to the promotion and application of Islamic values.

As you can see most of the prophet Muhammad marriages were widows or femals without a shelter or someone to take care of them

[turbid ivy]

@thorny steeple leally?

[covert bobcat]

thank you sleepy joe

but nobu will still not accept lol

[thorny steeple]

I wonder, what are you talking about bro? It really feels like you know nothing about Islam or you're desperate to attack Islam.

[dapper laurel]

May God bless you all, guys

[turbid ivy]

Oou chat gpt

[feral river]

I have no idea on why you are obsessed with people against Islam 😂

[covert bobcat]

oou the truth

[agile jolt]

How much text to defend what God has wrongly done. Isaiah 12: Ahhh of those who defend evil by holding that it is good. You defend arranged marriages based on the fact that they were supposedly happy

[thorny steeple]

They are too blind to see the truth

[feral river]

Ofc! I’m the god

[covert bobcat]

exactly sleepy

[dapper laurel]

Amen

[turbid ivy]

No one is gonna read it from chatgpt,use your brain

[livid cedar]

Then the shouldn't have justice between men because you accepted christ and have decided to change ?

[thorny steeple]

Then why did Khadija leave trading completely when she married him? You're truly desperate to trigger Muslims and attack Islam.

[turbid ivy]

What's the truth

[agile jolt]

You no are God. jesús is God

[dapper laurel]

Prove it

[turbid ivy]

Because she had a lots of servants

[covert bobcat]

Nobu read the actual quean not the quran from America lol

[feral river]

I’m the 10th son of Jesus and I’m the messenger of God, Jesus come into my dream told me that

[thorny steeple]

It's about the context not where we gather the information from as you can see no one brings shit from their head anyway unless you are making historical lies

[feral river]

Believe me and we will conquer the world

[warped scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/the-world-is-less-intelligent-today-derek-muller-veritasium-the-world-is-less-smart-now-the-worlds-not-so-smart-now-gif-25707587

[turbid ivy]

Can I see the sources, I will need ss from the pages

[agile jolt]

What do you mean, because justice exists in the world. Evil is not a thing in itself, it is the deprivation of good. And righteous men are rewarded, here, or in the reign of God

[thorny steeple]

Read quran easy clap

[feral river]

Well all the truth they have is to copy the word from other fields 🤣

[dapper laurel]

The real truth is Islam, mashallah

[turbid ivy]

Qursn says to marry the girls and have intercourse with then who haven't reached the menstruation, that's the truth?

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

We are better

[feral river]

They are so damn struggling to proof their shit stuff with something they said that’s part of them but that always existed

[turbid ivy]

How

[covert bobcat]

Hazrat khadija cousin was christian called warqa bin yousuff. But he was the fist person who comforted prophet muhammad and said that its the same angel who visited prophet moses hence dont worry. I will support you strongly

[thorny steeple]

And more affluent

[unique light]

No way

[feral river]

They think oh damn this is Islam oh cool Islam dude awesome I’m gonna tell everyone how Islam good

[dapper laurel]

Cuz they have cool mosques and Afghanistan

[agile jolt]

Only Islam believes that it has the truth, believing a prophet who did not know Christ. To say that Christ was a prophet. Now I remember the parable in which Jesus said to Peter: Even if you speak to them, they will not listen to you, even if you touch them, they will not resent you. That is why you must speak to him in parables

[feral river]

Dude I can tell you how communism good if you let me to say

100% better than Islam

[turbid ivy]

Jibueel pressed the neck of Muhammad, Muhammad had became suicidal after getting chocked by Jubeel. Did Gabriel chock or press Moses?

[feral river]

The communist utopia

[turbid ivy]

Kyah khyah

[pale crater]

🤨

[warped scroll]

Who? China? In wukong?

[dapper laurel]

No, we're better 🇰🇵

[agile jolt]

Communis good, islam meh

[feral river]

Wukong won the bestselling in Steam!

[unique light]

Bruv lives in every country

[feral river]

People’s Republic of China NO.1

[dapper laurel]

I'm such a pragmatic and controversial figure

[unique light]

I see

[turbid ivy]

When you ask them they can't tell

[agile jolt]

I gotta go, I'm going to find a friend

[dapper laurel]

Now you see

[feral river]

I promise I’m better if you give me a chance to proof how good communism is

Even I’m not a communist 🤣🤣🤣

[agile jolt]

Travel TIME

[unique light]

We are so back

[warped scroll]

I know Chill dude

[turbid ivy]

[thorny steeple]

I have no idea why are you involving yourself while unable to know the most basic Islamic knowledge. It's embarrassing to say the least. 😂

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/arno-breker-spud-gif-12818611053390299192

[thorny steeple]

Bruh you in the western countries rape and have sex with girls under 18 on daily basis anyway go to streets and ask females how old were they when they lost their virginity,I don't see where is it acceptable to do that before marriage anyway

[feral river]

Yeah so embarrassing to yourself if you think that 🤣🤣

[turbid ivy]

I'm not from the West, uncle. And rape is allowed in Islam

[thorny steeple]

Sure sure. Keep it up man, you might find a real gotcha in the future. 😁

[agile jolt]

Greetings, they came to look for me

[thorny steeple]

No it's not

[unique light]

Hi pal

[feral river]

You think I don’t understand Islamic but I see all the truth behinds your Islamic word which is war, fighters, rule and how you guys lose once and once again

Dude ur 0-4

0-4 🤣

[turbid ivy]

Oou leally?
https://nobuyubu.wordpress.com/2024/04/29/the-background-story-of-surah-424-rape-is-allowed-in-islam-🥲/

[feral river]

This is funny, 0-4

[agile jolt]

Oh, they talk about the so-called Islamic world

[dapper laurel]

💀

[thorny steeple]

The only thing that embarrasses me is how low IQ I have to deal with when I engage in a discussion with you. 😂

[feral river]

Dude this is a little too much if you wanna let me to say but I didn’t wanna say that

0 - 4

[turbid ivy]

[agile jolt]

Islamic metaphysics is certainly very similar to the immobile cause of which I speak in Metaphysics

[feral river]

Dude 💀 imagine 0-4 while telling others how good ur

[feral river]

0-4

Dude please win once

Then talk about how good ur okay ?

[agile jolt]

Allah has no connection with the world, he is external to it, but he creates it. And he commands Gabriel to speak to Mohammed and reveal to him the truth of the immovable cause. Or so Mohammed told me on the trip here

[thorny steeple]

The verse of Surah An-Nur 24:30, provides guidance for Muslim men on how to conduct themselves with modesty and respect. Here's a detailed explanation:

1. "Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze": This part instructs men to control their gaze and avoid looking at anything that might be considered inappropriate or sexually provocative. It emphasizes the importance of maintaining modesty and respect in one's interactions.

2. "And guard their private parts": This directive focuses on sexual propriety and self-control. It encourages men to avoid any form of sexual misconduct or immorality.

3. "That is purer for them": The verse highlights that following these guidelines leads to greater purity and righteousness. By adhering to these principles, individuals maintain their moral integrity and are protected from temptation and potential sin.

4. "Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what they do": This serves as a reminder that Allah is aware of all actions and intentions. It reinforces the idea that maintaining modesty and self-control is not just a social expectation but a matter of divine accountability.

Overall, the verse promotes a lifestyle of modesty and self-discipline, contributing to a respectful and moral society.

This is what Quran also says

[agile jolt]

The world is sustained by the immovable cause, but it does not act directly, it moves all the causes to the causes that move them

[thorny steeple]

Stop reading Americas Quran bro

[turbid ivy]

Oou leally?

[Sunan Abu Dawud 2:2150/2155] حَدَّثَنَا عُبَيْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ بْنِ مَيْسَرَة، حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيد بْنُ زُرَيْعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سَعيدٌ، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ صَالِحٍ أَبِي الْخَلِيلِ، عَنْ أَبِي عَلْقَمَةَ الْهَاشِمِيِّ، عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم بَعَثَ يَوْمَ حُنَيْنٍ بَعْثًا إِلَى أَوْطَاسٍ فَلَقُوا عَدُوَّهُمْ فَقَاتَلُوهُمْ فَظهَرُوا عَلَيْهِمْ وأَصابُوا لَهُمْ سَبَايَا فَكَأَنَّ أُنَاسًا مِنْ أَصْحَابِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم تَحَرَّجُوا مِنْ غِشْيَانِهِنَّ مِنْ أَجْلِ أَزْوَاجِهنَّ منَ الْمُشْرِكِينَ فَأنزَل اللَّهُ تَعَالَى فِي ذَلِكَ ‏{‏ وَالْمُحْصَنَاتُ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ‏}‏ أَىْ فَهُنَّ لَهُمْ حَلاَلٌ إِذَا انْقَضَتْ عِدَّتُهُنَّ ‏.‏ Abu Sa’id Al Khudri said “The Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of Apostle of Allaah(ﷺ) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So, Allaah the exalted sent down the Qur’anic verse “And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hand posses.” This is to say they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

[feral river]

• Minecraft_652

Comrades, copy the word from me !

[thorny steeple]

Nice work bro! Simple and comprehensive explanation. But we might be wasting time arguing with people here, honestly.

[agile jolt]

What does the Qur'an represent for you? And the existence of Allah?

[turbid ivy]

That's chatgpt, not the actual interpretation from Islamic classical scholars

[agile jolt]

You call it in a thousand ways, I call it the Immobile Cause, the Creative Mover. The Uncaused Cause, Act 1. I don't understand why they name him

[agile jolt]

In fact, it seems something not written by HIM

[turbid ivy]

Correct

[agile jolt]

It seems like a school assignment that I ask my boys to do in Liceo

[dapper laurel]

I don't think that talking to scholars in general is helpful

[thorny steeple]

Sure, WE are

[thorny steeple]

The Quran is the word of Allah and he is the only god that we should worship because there are meanings for everything and you can't make something from nothing

[agile jolt]

These kids who copy their homework don't think for themselves

[dapper laurel]

Essentially many may have quite extreme views regarding religions

[turbid ivy]

Is the Quran eternal?

[feral river]

have you ever listened the international ?

[livid cedar]

Every religion indeed believes that it holds the truth and follows its own teachings and prophets. In the case of Jesus Christ, he did not directly know his predecessors, such as Moses or Abraham, but he honored their mission and messages. Moreover, Jesus never said that no more revelations would come after him. In fact, in the Gospel of John (16:12-13), Jesus states: "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth." This passage suggests that further revelations could occur after him.

Regarding the divinity of Jesus, it's important to note that in the Bible, several figures were called "god" or "son of God." For example, in Psalm 82:6, it is written: "I said, 'You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.'" This shows that these terms were not exclusive to Jesus.

In contrast, in the Quran, the title of "god" is attributed only to Allah. Islam emphasizes the oneness of Allah and considers any association of others with God to be a grave error. This illustrates the fundamental difference between the beliefs of different religions and shows that each has its own perspective on truth and divine nature.

[agile jolt]

But Ala creates the world out of nothing

[dapper laurel]

Yes, thanks to you

You sent it to me here

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNPKRjNEZ5E

this version my fav

[turbid ivy]

Taking the verse out of context, the context will Bury your claim

[livid cedar]

Why won't you put it in the context for us

[warped scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/evcerpQAQcI?feature=share @thorny steeple Islam debunked

[agile jolt]

Well, I'm not the right figure to talk about Jesus. Because I didn't know him in his time, I know him from my time travels. But two points: what you say about the truth is an Ad Macro Fallacy, you say nothing more than a silly argument that it would be the truth for religions. And as I understand Jesus is called the Son of God because of the Hebrews looking for the Messiah, since he proclaims himself as the son of Man. But Jesus told me that in his book The Bible he makes it clear that whoever knows him knows God directly. And that another prophet named the Baptist makes it clear that he baptizes with water but only God baptizes with the holy spirit. What Jesus does