🧠｜serious-chat

[cerulean sleet]

What about france, israel, and America oppressing muslims in different places of the world?

[feral river]

and they were being crashed

[cerulean sleet]

i wish that isn't partly true also

[feral river]

just some terrorists

[cerulean sleet]

🤣

[dapper laurel]

There are mosques in France and the United States, do you call it oppression?

[dapper laurel]

And I don't support Israel, actually

[feral river]

we have mosques in China too 😭

even we have Hui Chinese which are also muslims

[thorny steeple]

why is it yours? historically, it wasn't part of china until Qin Dynasty which occupied Mongolia also,
so if you said Xinxang is your territory, then why not demanding Mongolia?

[feral river]

because we have it.

that was a simple reason

[dapper laurel]

No, you oppress them 🫵🏻🫵🏻🫵🏻😡

[cerulean sleet]

A woman can't wear a hijab, which is practicing her religion
Do you call that oppression?

The USA invaded & helped invading so many muslim countries, isn't that oppression?

China killed tons of muslims in Uyghur, ISN'T THAT OPPRESSION?

[thorny steeple]

that's the definition of occupation

[cerulean sleet]

Pretty oppression to me.

[thorny steeple]

thats not makes you the right owner of the land

[cerulean sleet]

Civilized oppression maybe?

[dapper laurel]

They can wear it in their country, not here

[feral river]

the action, state, or period of occupying or being occupied by military force.

[cerulean sleet]

🤣

[feral river]

read the definition please

[cerulean sleet]

literally oppression and it shows you know nothing about islam

[thorny steeple]

so? you did occupy their state after the revolution

[dapper laurel]

Ok, then give rights to Christians in your countries

[thorny steeple]

they do have

[waxen oyster]

They don't get oppressed

[cerulean sleet]

I'm in egypt buddy, i can get my christian friend here and you'll be sooo embarrassed fr

[waxen oyster]

They have churches

[dapper laurel]

You have oppressed Europe for hundreds of years, now it's our turn

[thorny steeple]

Lol

[cerulean sleet]

how did we do that sir?

[waxen oyster]

So you are saying you are oppressing Europe

[cerulean sleet]

so you're saying you're oppressing us

[thorny steeple]

Crusades be like

[cerulean sleet]

fr

[thorny steeple]

what's that?

[dapper laurel]

You persecute Christians, so don't complain

[waxen oyster]

What propaganda is that?

[thorny steeple]

How do you know? have you talked to one of them?

Iraq has plenty of Christians

[dapper laurel]

It's by the UN

[thorny steeple]

Egypt too

[thorny steeple]

no UN credit there

[dapper laurel]

What fallacy is this? Lol

[dapper laurel]

Lol wtf

[thorny steeple]

how do you know they don't have rights??

[thorny steeple]

give me this from their offical site bud

[dapper laurel]

It has been described by many human rights groups

[thorny steeple]

like?

[cerulean sleet]

link please

[feral river]

I will quit the conversation anyway since you guys can't really recognize our sovereighty and continue to promote the Sharia law, hate against atheists, I will continue with my mind of islamophobia 🇮🇱 🇨🇳

[waxen oyster]

trust me bro

[dapper laurel]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/02/persecution-driving-christians-out-of-middle-east-report

[cerulean sleet]

your argument is a failure
the chinese guy made sense at least 💀

[dapper laurel]

https://www.eurasiareview.com/16032023-christians-in-the-middle-east-a-persecuted-and-forgotten-people-analysis/

[thorny steeple]

sure bud, you were not gonna change your mind from the start tho

[cerulean sleet]

oh my god the propaganda

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_by_the_Islamic_State

[cerulean sleet]

ok let's get my chirstian friend maybe?

He can tell you about his rights

[dapper laurel]

Propaganda 😭😭😭

It's always propaganda, always

[thorny steeple]

THAT IS ISIS

Loool
BRO USING ISIS

[cerulean sleet]

Isis?

[thorny steeple]

[cerulean sleet]

really?

[dapper laurel]

So?

Not real Islam 🤣?

[cerulean sleet]

that shit doesn't represent islam

[thorny steeple]

😂 NO. ISIS IS JUST USING ISLAM NAME FOR TERRORISM

[cerulean sleet]

Yeah cuz muslims don't attack each other💀

[thorny steeple]

they kill Muslims too

[dapper laurel]

Delusional

[waxen oyster]

Wtf?

[cerulean sleet]

Sure bud, make up your own mind

[dapper laurel]

Have you even read the other articles?

[thorny steeple]

so a terrorist group killing muslims hiding under the name of islam is representing the muslim world for ya?

[dapper laurel]

There is no point in arguing with Muslims, it is either propaganda or it cannot be true

[thorny steeple]

u are giving us articles about ISIS bud

[cerulean sleet]

my god you are delulu

[thorny steeple]

tf that has to deal with our argument

[cerulean sleet]

Yeah cuz all mozlims are the same

[dapper laurel]

https://www.thetablet.co.uk/news/7907/un-under-fire-over-christian-persecution-

[waxen oyster]

You didn't only get it from the resource (ISIS) which also kills Muslims, You are talking about us, the Muslims, that we are delusional because we, the Muslims, don't support ISIS the one killing our Muslim friends?

[dapper laurel]

So, they persecute us anyway, there is no justification, you continue to wage holy war, there will be consequences sooner or later

[thorny steeple]

"ttacks by Islamic State, Boko Haram and other Islamist extremist groups."

[coarse sluice]

Who wanna be friends with me
Dm me or add me
I'm learning English because I am beginning in it

[cerulean sleet]

#🧊｜chill-chat

[thorny steeple]

they kill MUSLIMS too, that's not how you say Christians don't have rights.

[dapper laurel]

Muslims have many rights in Western countries, but obviously our effort is not rewarded, we are dealing with ungrateful people

[dapper laurel]

Idc

[thorny steeple]

delusion

[cerulean sleet]

🤣

imma die

[thorny steeple]

I'll give you an extremist group killing muslims, and then I'll act like we have no rights

victim..

[cerulean sleet]

We're actually being oppressed 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean sleet]

he's just delulu

[thorny steeple]

2017

[dapper laurel]

Map of human rights, you clearly do not respect them, this also applies to Christians

[thorny steeple]

limk new stats and we will see

link*

[cerulean sleet]

like you can't keep a mosque and call it a day
muslim woman need to do what islam told them to do, which is to wear a hijab, why is that banned in france and other european countries? Idk

[dapper laurel]

Almost nothing has changed

Delusional, again

[thorny steeple]

human rights based on western values

sorry we dont apply western values 🙏

[dapper laurel]

Keep crying

[dapper laurel]

Because you are not very civilized

[cerulean sleet]

avg Western argument

where are you from if i may ask?

[dapper laurel]

It's a fact 😂

[cerulean sleet]

sure,

[dapper laurel]

EU

[prisma plume]

I want to be serious from now

[thorny steeple]

oh no, i need to let people walk on the street naked to be civilised

[prisma plume]

what's a serious topic

[thorny steeple]

sorry 🙏

[cerulean sleet]

oh no, i need to wipe my butt to be civilized

i can't use water 😔

[dapper laurel]

But what do you imagine about the Western world? you should turn off Islamic television

[cerulean sleet]

Islamic television 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[thorny steeple]

bud, you let people go naked and that's a fact

Liberalists.

[dapper laurel]

And it's not just this, here we have more economic freedom, freedom of expression, we have more freedom of the press, we have freedom of movement, a better quality of life etc. This is what it means to be civilised, buddy

[thorny steeple]

you let kids take hormones to change their sex

thats western values

[dapper laurel]

Better than marrying little girls

[cerulean sleet]

You realize most of your points have nothing to do with islam but current governments ( which is funny enough cuz they don't apply sharia today )

[thorny steeple]

so if a kid wanted to be girl, their parents cant prevent him from cutting his own thing?

You do legalise Adultery with Unmarried, so you increase AIDS rate

that's civilised?

[waxen oyster]

We don't support Gay people

[cerulean sleet]

nooo you're very oppressive imma take this child from his parents 🤢

[dapper laurel]

It's called the development of society and the economy, an underdeveloped society reflects many other aspects, even religion

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel so that's helps in the development of the society?

[cerulean sleet]

uuuh, no?
that's dumb tbh, if you don't apply islam in our country how are you judging islam not our countries?

[dapper laurel]

we don't do these things lol, how can you be so perverted?

[cerulean sleet]

والله ما صار الا اهل الشهوة يتحدثون

[dapper laurel]

The freedom of your religion is only a reflection of your poorly evolved society

[thorny steeple]

Canada and USA have different sayings that yours, here
wait, lemem grab a canadian protest while men were naked, wait

[cerulean sleet]

"preverted*

• i just got aids after having multiple 7 days relationships

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but even if they did, wouldn't it be their business?

Delusional

[thorny steeple]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.1683249

[cerulean sleet]

you get me? Our govs isn't applying Islam
You understand this right?

[thorny steeple]

That's development of society

Being naked infornt of kids

[cerulean sleet]

Alsoo, gulf countries apply islam more and they are developed enough

Your argument sucks if you ask me 🤷‍♂️

[dapper laurel]

Government is chosen by the people, it's all your and your society's fault

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel is this helping in society if i may ask?

[dapper laurel]

So everything else doesn't matter? Why do you come here if we are so wild?

[thorny steeple]

i didn't go there

😂 lol

[dapper laurel]

And you want to assimilate us to your religion

[cerulean sleet]

You realize that most muslim countries are now a kingdom

[dapper laurel]

Most of you do, and you might even be lying

[thorny steeple]

we are talking about Western Values, stop changing topics

[cerulean sleet]

and that kingdoms and sultains ( i guess? ) don't choose the government

most republics have no real elections, like syria

[thorny steeple]

Sultnates

[dapper laurel]

After maybe a civil war, and a kingdom needs the support of the majority of people, if there is no civil war in your countries then it means that you support your regime

Delusional, as always

[cerulean sleet]

yemen & syria: خخخ احا

[thorny steeple]

bro saying delusional while wanting to enforce western values on eastern countries

[dapper laurel]

The point is that if you despise Western values, why do you come here to escape wars or poverty?

[cerulean sleet]

weird stuff

anyways, I'll go pray cya

[dapper laurel]

And the other countries, Assad is winning the war anyway

[cerulean sleet]

Assad regime is like russia
They have fake elections

[thorny steeple]

you said it. i don't agree with them. i just go there for NOT the values, but the economy which was maintained by (let's say slavery and stealing resources?)

[cerulean sleet]

so the people live in a very bad country because of this horrible regime they can't change because syria doesn't apply sharia nor real islam

you see?

[thorny steeple]

& Egypt

[dapper laurel]

And he is supported by the people, otherwise the rebels would have already won the war

[thorny steeple]

he isn't.

he is supported by Russia

[cerulean sleet]

He's bombing his own people 💀

That's why i guess?

[thorny steeple]

bro enforcing western values on eastern countries and calling us delusional

[cerulean sleet]

being backed by western countries too?

to kill his people?

[dapper laurel]

The benefits are also freedom of the press and the fact that your minority here is not persecuted, even if it commits serious crimes, these are other Western values

[cerulean sleet]

The civilized western countries?

maybe?

[dapper laurel]

There are two of you and you can't take me down, this is delusional

[thorny steeple]

who said we persecute minorities? look at iraq, tons of minority religions, thus, non pressed and living freely

[cerulean sleet]

We've beaten you already, you're saying random stuff rn

[dapper laurel]

But many still support him

[thorny steeple]

you just keep changing topics.

[cerulean sleet]

Yeah because they can't speak

[dapper laurel]

No, you're the ones talking nonsense

[cerulean sleet]

Ok you can leave the discussion or stay in one topic till you lose maybe?

[waxen oyster]

I hate Gays

I call them LGTV+

[cerulean sleet]

What an uncivilized sub human

ew

[thorny steeple]

yea, he hates spreading AIDS

ew

[cerulean sleet]

You're not even a full human you're a sub human because you are muslim 🤢

[waxen oyster]

I like Women, I like to befriend Men, I don't befriend Women (unless marriage)

[cerulean sleet]

He doesn't want 6 year olds to be castrated!!

[waxen oyster]

I don't groom Children

I don't drink cum

[cerulean sleet]

💀

[cerulean sleet]

💀

[thorny steeple]

💀

[waxen oyster]

I hate ISIS AND Crusades

They kill innocents

I don't kill innocents, I don't speak with a Christian badly

I am not Oshlama Bin Shladen

[thorny steeple]

💀 stop

[waxen oyster]

I am a "Giga Chad" "Islamic Praying to God" Man

🗣️

[dapper laurel]

The summary is: you persecute Christians because you are underdeveloped, you support dictatorial governments, oppressive Islamic laws, etc. This happens in Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Iran and Pakistan. Then you emigrate here, you want to put Islamic laws to assimilate our cultures and you despise us. You call us uncivilized because we have LGBT, but you don't know the rest obviously, you don't know our history our traditions, you simply despise us. We have freedom of the press, freedom of movement, a great index of human development, great quality of life, and we offer you all this, but you continue to persecute Christians in your countries, because you're ungrateful, that's it. You have persecuted us for years, from the Islamic Caliphate and the Ottoman Empire, to the present day. Obviously you play victims because now the Chinese are doing the same thing, this makes me angry. You may not understand my motives, and you will say that I am talking nonsense, but in reality it is one of the most sensible speeches you have ever heard. It is useless to say that it is only ISIS that does these things, because in the end you hate us and ISIS is built by people, if they manage to persecute us it means that they have your support, I don't care how you can be "progressive" it's only a mask that you wear. And don't you dare call me an Islamophobe, I'm not, I'm just saying true things, verified by human rights associations, which are obviously lacking in your countries

[thorny steeple]

bro wrote an article

[waxen oyster]

About how he hate ISIS

and not Muslims

[thorny steeple]

WHAT COUNTRY PERSECUTE CHRISTIANS
you didn't asnwer

[dapper laurel]

.

[thorny steeple]

💀 you literally just yapping about nothing.

[dapper laurel]

You didn't even read what I said, how immature you are

[waxen oyster]

Ok nerd

[thorny steeple]

as we said, that doesn't mean anything, it just means we don't apply Western Values, we are not enforced to.

[cerulean sleet]

Saudi has no christians:

This mf: they are persecuting chirstians 😱😱😱

[dapper laurel]

Best argument ever

[waxen oyster]

Eat well and make children that hate Muslims and become a terrorist that kills Islamic Scholars

[dapper laurel]

Best argument ever pt. 2

[thorny steeple]

the first point is invalid, then the complete speech which is depending on it is invalid.

[waxen oyster]

I gave you the plan

[cerulean sleet]

Best argument ever ↑

[dapper laurel]

This is not my goal, we would just like to be left alone, you know?

[waxen oyster]

Start with Othman Alkhamis

[waxen oyster]

Ok? We too

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel give me a country that persecute Christians and they don't have their rights.

[waxen oyster]

Don't say to our Women to stop wearing Hijab

[dapper laurel]

Afghanistan

[ocean tree]

That's your thought only. Countries is countries usually because they've a historical right in its land. Most of the countries are like that. Even China! Can you object that your people are proud of their historical right in this land? And who are you to consider Palestine a proxy state of Iran? Give a fair specialist says that. You aren't a scholar in history or Geography or Politics to say your opinion witg such Effrontery. Palestine was an independent country which suffered The ambitions of the occupier and shall beat it like what Egypt and all arabic countries did in the past. The historical right in the land is much more important than your sick mind thinks.

[thorny steeple]

i onced messaged a friend from Afghanistan

he said western media applies false jnfo

[waxen oyster]

[thorny steeple]

so im not

going to deny or accept your answer

[unkempt cairn]

Suuuuuiiiiiii🙆🏾‍♂️🙅🏾‍♂️

[dapper laurel]

And he said that everything is great and that human rights are respected, typical

[waxen oyster]

Whtcha opinion on Islam

[carmine trout]

[thorny steeple]

meh, the new Taliban is different that the old one

[dapper laurel]

Always western propaganda, no doubt

[unkempt cairn]

Am orthodox bruh

[thorny steeple]

sowwy, i must believe everything they say

[waxen oyster]

Ok makes sense

[dapper laurel]

So that's why people keep fleeing there?

[waxen oyster]

Whatcha opinion on Jesus (PBUH)

[unkempt cairn]

Whtcha opinion on orthodox?

[cerulean sleet]

It's not like you don't know

[dapper laurel]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghan_refugees#:~:text=There are more than 8,total of 103 separate countries.

[thorny steeple]

Doesn't like Shari'a maybe? Taliban is not perfect. yes they have issues.

[waxen oyster]

Idk about Christian people

😔

[dapper laurel]

Already 8 million people

[unkempt cairn]

Me tooo bro I don't even have Muslim friends or neighbors

[thorny steeple]

so what? Afghanistan population is 40M

[waxen oyster]

Happy to meet you

[dapper laurel]

I don't think so anymore, have you at least read the article?

[unkempt cairn]

Thanks 😊

[cerulean sleet]

my religion told me to respect them

[waxen oyster]

or Nice

Idk

[unkempt cairn]

Where you from?

[waxen oyster]

Egypt

[thorny steeple]

i won't, it clearly states they flee off because of the unstable situation there.

[unkempt cairn]

Me from Ethiopia 😅

[waxen oyster]

Most of the server are secretly Egyptian Nuslims

[thorny steeple]

1978 to 2023

Wars. too many of them

[waxen oyster]

Nice.

[cerulean sleet]

why r u taking the nile from us man 😔

[thorny steeple]

nice to meat you

[unkempt cairn]

You're the 4th Egyptian I met today 😁

[dapper laurel]

It also says they fled because of human rights and poverty

[waxen oyster]

😂

[carmine trout]

[unkempt cairn]

We didn't 😭

[waxen oyster]

We are conquering England soon 🗣️

[cerulean sleet]

Let them be 5

[thorny steeple]

Of these 8.2 million refugees, just under 6 million are deemed to have been displaced as a result of the United States' War in Afghanistan.[12] Along with this, approximately 3.2 millions Afghan nationals have been driven from their homes and into the status of internally displaced person (IDP)

@dapper laurel thanks Western Values

[unkempt cairn]

Suuiiii let's gooooo😂🙌🏾

[unkempt cairn]

I'll be happy 😁

[cerulean sleet]

u r building a wall 😔

[thorny steeple]

6 Million flee because of US war

[waxen oyster]

🔥

[unkempt cairn]

A dam not a walll

[thorny steeple]

what a country!

[dapper laurel]

Remember 2001?

[waxen oyster]

Bruh

[cerulean sleet]

ur building a dam 😔

[cerulean sleet]

Best argument ever

[waxen oyster]

Bro starting to speak about Oshlama Bin Shalden

I wasn't even born

[unkempt cairn]

Yea still water get exhausted after producing energy tho🥲

[thorny steeple]

😂 what does that even has to do with our argument, IT WAS FROM A TERRORIST ORGANISATION NOT A COUNTRY

[cerulean sleet]

leave some watta for egypt brother

[waxen oyster]

AND NO ONE FROM MUSLIMS SUPPORTED HIM EVEN

[thorny steeple]

Egypt needs elictrcity at this point

[cerulean sleet]

they're planning to cut water 3 hours a day here lol

[unkempt cairn]

We're not greedy as other countries bruh

[waxen oyster]

[cerulean sleet]

yeah

[dapper laurel]

You hosted members of the terrorist organization in Afghanistan

[cerulean sleet]

Who is "you"

[unkempt cairn]

Not more than Ethiopia

[waxen oyster]

Ethiopia is African?

[thorny steeple]

so KKK

KKK is good?

[unkempt cairn]

Tf😂

[cerulean sleet]

Bro اثيوبيا

اللي عايزين يعملوا صد النهضة

[waxen oyster]

IS IT IN AFRICA???

[thorny steeple]

صد

[cerulean sleet]

هيعملوا سد النهضة فين؟

[unkempt cairn]

Is it Egypt in Africa 😂

[waxen oyster]

[cerulean sleet]

في أوروبا ؟

[cerulean sleet]

typo

[waxen oyster]

No it is in the Middle East

[thorny steeple]

it's European bro

[unkempt cairn]

Nahhh its in Africa brotha

[thorny steeple]

@cerulean sleet dat man disappeared after the name of KKK

[cerulean sleet]

THE MIDDLE EAST CONTINENT IS REALL

[dapper laurel]

The Afghan government

[waxen oyster]

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKK Mr Crabs voice

[cerulean sleet]

this guy is an european revert

not Afghani

[thorny steeple]

@dapper laurel

answer.

[dapper laurel]

It affected African Americans, nothing to do with you

[thorny steeple]

answer

[dapper laurel]

However no, it wasn't good

[thorny steeple]

ml why u hosting them?

[dapper laurel]

But it didn't even interest you

[thorny steeple]

why y hosting terrorist organisation???

[dapper laurel]

And I'm not American

Lol

[waxen oyster]

General Chat: talking about love
Serious Chat: so you support oshlama bin shladen?

[unkempt cairn]

Go and Google it mann

[waxen oyster]

Ik

[thorny steeple]

isn't America the most country with Human Rights and Western Values?

im not Afghani too

[unkempt cairn]

Aight

[dapper laurel]

They were hurting other American citizens, not Muslims, it's not international terrorism, like what you do

[thorny steeple]

KKK is Christian group

[dapper laurel]

In fact, the kkk no longer exists

[thorny steeple]

😂😂😂

so it's okay?

[dapper laurel]

But terrorist organizations still exist in your country

[thorny steeple]

it still exists.

stop the falsehood

[waxen oyster]

Why are only Men talking about politics and religion too serious? @thorny steeple

[dapper laurel]

If it exists, it will be a small organization, certainly smaller than ISIS

[thorny steeple]

"Aside from the Ku Klux Klan in Canada, there have been various attempts to organize KKK chapters outside the United States in places such as: Asia, Europe and Oceania"

so it isn't international?

[thorny steeple]

still. a terrorist group is a terrorist group.

[dapper laurel]

"There have been various attempts"

[thorny steeple]

(Aside from KKK in Canada), so there is one in Canada also.

[dapper laurel]

So this justifies your terrorist groups, but are you thinking with your ass?

Lol

[thorny steeple]

i dont

😂

[dapper laurel]

It is right to be against all types of terrorism

[thorny steeple]

I said it's a terrorist group

[dapper laurel]

Even the white one

However, Islamic terrorism has also affected Western countries, many Western and non-Western countries

Russia too

[thorny steeple]

you literally making claim country is bad because it hosts terrorist group, now you are negating that claim

[dull raven]

salamm

[dapper laurel]

I said that your countries suck because you have no rights, in addition to having terrorist organizations

[dull raven]

aham

ah-am

[dapper laurel]

We have terrorist organizations, but we also have rights for minorities, which you don't have

It's pretty simple to understand

[thorny steeple]

you can't bring up any source that say we don't have rights.
US host terrorists groups also

[thorny steeple]

who said that??

[dull raven]

the loudest to say human rights isnt always the actual human rights guy eh

[thorny steeple]

you.

[thorny steeple]

literally

[cerulean sleet]

exactly

[waxen oyster]

exactly

[dapper laurel]

The fact that immigrants here can vote, they have mosques to pray in, they can work freely, very often they also have many benefits, we host almost all refugees, we have a free press and such

[thorny steeple]

so what? we don't have that?

we do.

[dapper laurel]

Not for Christians apparently or minorities in general

[cerulean sleet]

huh?

[dapper laurel]

Name an Islamic country where immigrants receive financial benefits

[cerulean sleet]

bruh we have more than 1000 church here

[thorny steeple]

bro, stop the nonsense and give me a country that does that? Iraq has plenty of Christians and other religions

[thorny steeple]

GCC countries

[waxen oyster]

We do have thousands of Churches open in Egypt

[thorny steeple]

thanks.

[dapper laurel]

Afghanistan, again

[cerulean sleet]

💀💀💀💀

[dull raven]

ignore aham

[waxen oyster]

YOU ARE LITERALLY USING THE AFGHANISTAN CARD EACH TIME

انت بضان ياض

[dapper laurel]

Your problem is that it is not socially accepted to be Christian there, you only do it to get recognition from Western countries

[waxen oyster]

بجد ابضن من كده انسان مفيش

[cerulean sleet]

get this guy here we need an afghan

[thorny steeple]

Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq and egypt

[dull raven]

loll

[thorny steeple]

Hi

IT IS very acceptable and normal.

[waxen oyster]

We freaking do have it from the first century of the Hijrah of Mohammed

[thorny steeple]

What are you guys debating

[dull raven]

hes afghan originally, living in the US

[dull raven]

americas blessings on the world

[cerulean sleet]

even better,

[dapper laurel]

https://www.bushcenter.org/catalyst/freedom/akyol-islam-and-freedom#:~:text=In countries like Saudi Arabia,can be jailed or flogged.

[thorny steeple]

a guy saying Christians have no rights while they have every right possible

he is playing a victim

[cerulean sleet]

↑

[waxen oyster]

Stop giving resources from the deep web

[thorny steeple]

Depends on where

[dapper laurel]

See?

[dapper laurel]

Best argument ever pt.3

[thorny steeple]

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

bro linked

[dapper laurel]

Western propaganda

Obviously

[thorny steeple]

😂 (from muslim to other religion)

ITS MUSLIMS SITUATION

[dull raven]

this is for u, btw thats how google has brainwashed the west fyi

[cerulean sleet]

Saudi arabia has no christians bro

[waxen oyster]

Talk to real Christians before even trying to prove a point

We have 2 million or more Christians in Egypt

And they can talk for themself

[thorny steeple]

you have no right to speak in a kusliks situation.

Muslim *

[thorny steeple]

Yes, Cristiano

Discord mobile is bad

And his family

They live in Ryad

[thorny steeple]

they do

[dull raven]

💀

[cerulean sleet]

he's not saudi

[waxen oyster]

He is

[thorny steeple]

But he lives there

[waxen oyster]

He got the جنسية

[thorny steeple]

@cerulean sleet ده جايب حق المرتد وبيتكلم

[dull raven]

sheesh

inta min wayn? misri?

[thorny steeple]

I can't understand that Arabic

[cerulean sleet]

It's not like bro has no rights 💀

[waxen oyster]

ايوه

[dull raven]

jansiah means nationality

[cerulean sleet]

سوري؟

[waxen oyster]

جنسية means a nationality

[thorny steeple]

He has special rights because He is famous

[dull raven]

nah lol im originally pakistani, living in ksa since my childhood

[latent obsidian]

привет

[cerulean sleet]

Most immigrants too

[thorny steeple]

Привет

[dull raven]

im trilingual, add hindi ill know 4 languages xd

[latent obsidian]

как дела

[dull raven]

bas arabic im not as good at it as i am at eng

[cerulean sleet]

Oh cool

[thorny steeple]

Нормально а у тебя

[dapper laurel]

I won't read it even if it's not newspaper articles from reliable sources

[cerulean sleet]

mashallah

[thorny steeple]

why he chose Saudi Arabia at first place

[waxen oyster]

@latent obsidian PLEASE SAY RUSSIAN BLYAT

[thorny steeple]

😂

[thorny steeple]

Money

[latent obsidian]

BLYAT

[waxen oyster]

IN RUSSIAN

[thorny steeple]

so no problem being Christian there, huh?

[cerulean sleet]

Yhay if you didn't st-fu I'll beat u 💀

[thorny steeple]

Likely and because they wanted him

[waxen oyster]

blyat means bitch

[dull raven]

then come to ksa and see how many kids die in school shootings, watch how many women get r4ped every night, thats a better resource than wtv sm1 puts on google

[cerulean sleet]

Ik

[weary belfry]

Serious chat

[thorny steeple]

If you got money you're safe i think

[dull raven]

watch how many homeless ppl we got here

[thorny steeple]

💀 usa not ksa

[dapper laurel]

The conversation ends here, there's no point arguing with you now, I've already won

[thorny steeple]

th? so Buddhist Workers aren't safe?

[cerulean sleet]

Homeless people in ksa? I've never heard of those

[thorny steeple]

oh

[dull raven]

ikr thats what im taunting ab

[cerulean sleet]

oh lol

[thorny steeple]

Maybe they are, im not one how should i knkw

[dull raven]

bro needs reliable resources, come see how many of us kill each other and commit suicide

[cerulean sleet]

DW bro's trolling

[dull raven]

welcome 💗

[thorny steeple]

aha

[dull raven]

watch how many couples cheat on each other

[thorny steeple]

I think Saudi Arabia might be one of the safer Muslim countries for Christians

[waxen oyster]

There are not Couples

Marriage only is allowed

[cerulean sleet]

بيتمسخر

[latent obsidian]

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[waxen oyster]

and no Dating before Marriage

[cerulean sleet]

بيتمسخر يبني

[waxen oyster]

I hate to break it to you, there is no raping nor sex before marriage

[thorny steeple]

Oman, for example, is one of the safest countries in the world, i believe 4th or 6th, how are they persecuting Christians??

[dull raven]

btw, yall cant even own a watch or a phone, gotta beg the bank of loan and work like a dog all ur lives just to get that debt off, allow me to call that partial slavery. they js havent made it obvious enough by yelling "freedom" too loud

[thorny steeple]

Cristiano is Not married and he is allowed

[cerulean sleet]

يابني بيتمسخر شتفكب

[waxen oyster]

[latent obsidian]

why are you guys speak arabic???

[waxen oyster]

As Islam not SA

[cerulean sleet]

I want yhya to understand

[thorny steeple]

I dont think they are. Nigeria is as far as i know

[waxen oyster]

عارف؟

[thorny steeple]

Nigeria has terrorist groups, that's why.

[waxen oyster]

بكره الكل عموما

[dull raven]

lol yeah not even couples

[cerulean sleet]

بوكو هرم؟

[thorny steeple]

Yes, that's very sad.

[thorny steeple]

y

[dull raven]

sry to break it to u @dapper laurel

[cerulean sleet]

Did i get banned

[latent obsidian]

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[cerulean sleet]

what happened?

[thorny steeple]

Idk

[dull raven]

u wouldnt be here if that happened

[cerulean sleet]

@latent obsidian can you shut?

[dull raven]

@thorny steeple

[latent obsidian]

nou

[thorny steeple]

so the one we are arguing, is linking countries with terrorist organisations and saying we give them no rights.
that's just delusion

[waxen oyster]

MURIICCCAAAAA 🦅

[cerulean sleet]

i just realized lol

[haughty forge]

He's like,I want Islamic countries to be like western countries but I don't want western countries to be like yours. Double standard.

[dull raven]

💗

[waxen oyster]

Freedom of INTERESTS ma Nig

🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[cerulean sleet]

Literally

[thorny steeple]

Which countries were you talking about

[cerulean sleet]

where r u from brother

[thorny steeple]

Muslim countries in general

Arab specifically

[thorny steeple]

Okay, i see

[dull raven]

the supremacy cant get off them minds. its nothing more than Allah letting them excel in their dalaalah

[thorny steeple]

i love how he left now

[dull raven]

"yall werent being respectful"

[cerulean sleet]

bruuuh

[thorny steeple]

Who, the Italian guy

idk his name

[dull raven]

u guys code tho? (sry off topic question lol)

[cerulean sleet]

@thorny steeple come to vc bro i wanna see if i got the indian accent

[cerulean sleet]

ye how did u know

[dull raven]

loll?

[thorny steeple]

Unsafest country for Christians is north Korea i think

[thorny steeple]

we linked github with our profile 💀

[latent obsidian]

fun fact: people who eat bacon are less likely to explode in the name of allah

[waxen oyster]

@thorny steeple your name is god in japanese

[dull raven]

well i do code, so thats js a random question id ask whenever i get bored xd

[waxen oyster]

[thorny steeple]

Kamila is the full name

[thorny steeple]

huh?

[cerulean sleet]

lol interesting

[thorny steeple]

come

I dont eat bacon

[cerulean sleet]

@waxen oyster @thorny steeple
Vc bois 🙏🏼 i gotta see our accents

[dull raven]

js started the third one

[cerulean sleet]

Which one?

[dull raven]

https://pythoninstitute.org/pcpp1
the gui one

[cerulean sleet]

Come to shy vc

[latent obsidian]

bois 🤦‍♂️

[thorny steeple]

Chillest Chat

[cerulean sleet]

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/852892441757614130

[thorny steeple]

where

💀

[dull raven]

honestly it was cool yall were here, wouldve been a heated up talk if i were alone here with him

[thorny steeple]

You are all shy

[dull raven]

i enjoy them debates with muricans tho lol

not as for now i believe, dont.

the question pretty much looks like it got an agenda behind it

[thorny steeple]

[dull raven]

u tryna get smth out by asking or what mate

[thorny steeple]

why not

[waxen oyster]

Bismallah, ALLAHU AKBAR

[dull raven]

imagine bombing a country for 20 years then asking if its cool to visit

like who u tryna play around with lol

[haughty forge]

Imagine you are living in a country where the govt used police and army to kill 150+ students during peaceful student protest and did an internet black out for a week ;-;

[latent obsidian]

00001118798314

[dull raven]

bd?

00001118798314

[haughty forge]

Yeah

[dull raven]

ya rab

this is prolly yet to happen in pk

[thorny steeple]

there isn't

[dull raven]

they havent lost their sanity to this extent yet, to kill young men on blank point

but lets see

[haughty forge]

Not only that the police is arresting students even if they find any pictures of protesting on their phone

[latent obsidian]

when you come home???

[thorny steeple]

why thr balckout tho

[haughty forge]

To prevent student protesters from communicating online and to hide the news of their crimes from the international community

[dull raven]

who wants to show the world we killed 150 young lads

kill and turn off the lights

never happened, sweet isnt it

[haughty forge]

Its 200+ if you count children and normal citizens

[dull raven]

crazy

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

Do you think a state ruled by Taliban is good to visit ?

Probably nothing but if you violated their law you will be punished

You must follow the law of your local government

Ofc you have to follow the law of Taliban afg if you’re entering their territory

[cunning knot]

Has anybody experience with silva method?

[shell lily]

it is way safer than it was before
but some students protests are going on
i dunno if they are done with those protests or not
plus u can watch some youtube vlogs abt afghanistan

[mystic kindle]

yo anyone

wanna debate

[wraith sorrel]

option C

[ocean tree]

"Sorry, not available at the moment"

[wraith sorrel]

I'm too lazy to show u

where c is

[ocean tree]

DON'T

[wraith sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/aether-nah-nah-i'd-win-nah-id-win-jjk-gif-16808655936508644412

[thorny steeple]

Yes the country that prohibits public displays of faith

Lol, yet Cristiano still did it

[thorny steeple]

Cristiano is one of the most famous figures in the world. I think that was an exception, wasn't it?

Yes

You aren't being honest

Cristiano is allowed to live with geo although they arent martied

Theyll make exeptions for rich people

If I did that in a countryside region and they decided to take me to a court, I would be dead right now

[thorny steeple]

Also for capitals in countries like Russia and Morrocco, they allow hmsexuality there

Yes, maybe

They just avoid international punishment

[thorny steeple]

Are you from Portugal

Or Brazil

[latent obsidian]

yea

Эдравствуйте

[thorny steeple]

Привет

[manic juniper]

Turkey is the safest

[thorny steeple]

brother

Turkey is full of nationalists who are racists against visitors and even refugees

[manic juniper]

Never heard of anyone getting discriminated for practicing Christianity in Turkey

[thorny steeple]

not talking about Christians, just talking in general

[manic juniper]

I've seen Turks being prejudiced towards Islam but never towards Christianity

[manic juniper]

I wasn't talking in general

[thorny steeple]

you dropped

Turkey is the safest

how is this not in general?

[manic juniper]

Yeah read the conversation above

[thorny steeple]

the one we were talking about christians having rights Muslim countries?

[manic juniper]

Safety of Christians in general, in the Middle East

[thorny steeple]

I was out of context, my bad

[thorny steeple]

Brazil

although is turkey considered middle eastern?

I see Christians in Turkey complaining about how rare it is to find a Christian church there

Most Turkish I knew there were atheist or non-praticant Muslim

also, if we are going to measure the safest country for christians, aren't we supposed to see if there was a safe country ranking in world wide positions?

[manic juniper]

Because they are few, but realistically no discrimination exists there

[cyan garnet]

hello, guys. can I join your class?

[manic juniper]

Christians don't have any reputation with the secularists and nationalists
No institutional discrimination
Churches can exist
No terrorist group targets Christians
No tensions amongst Muslims and Christians

[thorny steeple]

I know lots of turkish muslims

[thorny steeple]

me too

Most turks i know frequent a mosque

[manic juniper]

I know a Turkish nationalist that converted to Christianity because he thought that was what made Europe stronger

Or more advanced

[thorny steeple]

i really think that is almost in every middle east countries, except for terrorist groups who target both muslims and christians (that's sad)

From my experience turks are rather religious

Secularism seems to be a trend in Muslim countries. If the state allowed it, they would lean towards atheism as much as Europeans do

[thorny steeple]

actually, compared to other countries, they areant

[thorny steeple]

I mean even though the state allows it in some countries

[thorny steeple]

Yes, i know they are a secular country

i meant the people themself

Oh, that's not my experience

[neon hound]

Is there anyone here, who studies the Neuroscience field?

[lusty steeple]

I kindly ask you not to generalize Turkey. I am Turkish and I can answer your questions within the scope of information

[thorny steeple]

Are people there religous?

[manic juniper]

I've heard that it was the case in Lebanon but not anymore, Christians and Muslims are divided there now, even in Egypt it isn't that safe

[thorny steeple]

Lebanon is the most Christian country in Middle East, isn't it

Syria also has a considerable amount of Christians

[simple solstice]

This must have been named religions-chat

[thorny steeple]

Egypt has Coptic church and i have Egyptian Muslim and Christian friends who say its safe.

Lebanon was dividing its ruling system between religions (like every religion gets a position there) until the civil world happened

GCC Countries & Jordan are okay with christians as they lived there from 500 AD or smth

[manic juniper]

How, there is terrorism against them
https://cihrs.org/islamist-groups-must-stop-inciting-to-sectarian-violence-protection-of-christians-responsibility-of-the-state/?lang=en

[thorny steeple]

(islamic groups)

[simple solstice]

You guys don’t have something other than religions?

[manic juniper]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-muslim-brotherhoods-war-on-coptic-christians

[lusty steeple]

Turkey is a secular country by law. Everyone can practice the religion they want and there are no restrictions in any area. A large part of our population is Muslim. Of course, all Muslims perform their religious duties. I cannot say that everyone is very religious and lives their religion flawlessly.

[thorny steeple]

what's wrong with that.

[manic juniper]

?

Does that disprove that they're persecuted or something?

[simple solstice]

It’s a repeated topic

[thorny steeple]

as i said, terrorist groups doesn't represent the country

Haven't there been lots of attacks on coptic churches

[thorny steeple]

this is an egyptian, ask him yourself
@cerulean sleet

[manic juniper]

When one of them operates in a country and isn't even strictly terrorist then yes it represents their safety status

[thorny steeple]

I actually never heard of that attacks to be honest

[lusty steeple]

I am Muslim. If I had no Christian acquaintances in my close circle, I would like to share their experiences. I can speak for myself as a Turk and I always find it wrong to judge people by their religion. I think people should be treated well because they are human.

[manic juniper]

It's even written in the article that the Muslim Brotherhood incited violence towards Copts

Incited, someone else must've carried out that violence

[thorny steeple]

(Muslim Brotherhood) adopts secular thinking tho

they are weird, indeed

[manic juniper]

?

[thorny steeple]

dont ask me, i dont really know what's wrong with them also

[cerulean sleet]

bro not again

u have zero life wallahi

[thorny steeple]

we talkin about Turkey bro

is Egypt having operations to kill christians there?
@cerulean sleet

[cerulean sleet]

yes, isis

[cerulean sleet]

kill christians? No, but they destroy a couple of churches

every 2 years or so

[thorny steeple]

so no major issues

[cerulean sleet]

anyway bad word isis

[thorny steeple]

It's still grave

This is terror

[lusty steeple]

Is there any confirmed document that this attack was carried out by Turks?

[thorny steeple]

i didnt state that

[cerulean sleet]

nope we live in peace

Bro isis attacks mosques too like tf r u talking about

💀

[lusty steeple]

I'm sorry, I misunderstood.

[thorny steeple]

imagine your country ranked like 4th worldwide in peace and out of no where some ISIS-inspired 2 people attack a mosque....

[thorny steeple]

That's terrible

[cerulean sleet]

average terrorist group naming themselves after islam

also 💀 i told you bro your country is home for isis members because none hears about your country as much

[thorny steeple]

bro we don't have them

[cerulean sleet]

they are everywhere

literally like a virus

[thorny steeple]

stop za cap, the 2nd last time i remember someone talking about isis here was 2012 or smth

[cerulean sleet]

isis is inactive in the gulf

they destroyed mosques in saudi and never came back ig

[thorny steeple]

yeah

[cerulean sleet]

[thorny steeple]

Halal

[austere obsidian]

f

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-gif-19002585

[cerulean sleet]

anyway where's the turks

[thorny steeple]

Hey anyone is upto here?

[thorny steeple]

@lusty steeple

[lusty steeple]

ATAMM

[cerulean sleet]

my great leader ataturk

[lusty steeple]

🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/atam-atatürk-altinturk-gif-27006118

[lusty steeple]

Very good

[thorny steeple]

what does 🐺 means

[cerulean sleet]

so what do you think about the greek Constantinople

[thorny steeple]

i remember it's smth about parties

[thorny steeple]

bro really chose violin

[manic juniper]

Nationalist furry party of Turkey

[cerulean sleet]

bro i once asked a turk how many rakaats are in wudu

he don't know it's 2

not 4

[lusty steeple]

The wolf is like the symbol of Turkey.

[thorny steeple]

lol

[thorny steeple]

not Rome?

[manic juniper]

They have different mythological origins

[thorny steeple]

The Grey Wolves, an nationalist rightist Turkish group

[manic juniper]

The Turkish wolf comes from Tengri while Rome's comes from its foundation myth by Romulus

[thorny steeple]

ew group

🤟 also represents them

[lusty steeple]

I recommend you to read the Grey Wolf Mythology and the Ergenekon Epic to learn more about this subject.

[thorny steeple]

I've read Turkey was seem as "the land of wolves" in the past

[austere obsidian]

meow

[cerulean sleet]

i wanna do this haircut fr

[thorny steeple]

Some hystorians doubt whether Romulus even existed

[manic juniper]

There aren't primary historical records of the first kings of Rome

[modern aspen]

it does in star trek!

[cerulean sleet]

Is the Ottoman empire turkish

[manic juniper]

Only from the third onwards it's somewhat more plausible

There was a contemporary inscription of some centuries after the supposed date of foundation that directly confirms the existence of a kingdom there, but it doesn't mention the king's name

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, the Gauls destroyed that all. And the reigning time for each of them is irreal, each of them is thought to have reigned for 40 years

[manic juniper]

The existence of one of the founding consuls of the republic is just as mythical

[thorny steeple]

Some Roman inventions (such as the census) are thought to have been invented by Numa, one of their kings, but there's no consensus about his existence

[thorny steeple]

The r-pe of Lucrecia is mythical too but that isn't even arguable

[manic juniper]

We have more evidence of the existence of a Roman kingdom today than the Roman Empire itself did in the first century BC

[thorny steeple]

yes

[cerulean sleet]

so not muslim, noted

[thorny steeple]

Imagine if the Gauls hadn't decided to leave Rome and then created an empire ran by Celts

[thorny steeple]

💀

[cerulean sleet]

You said it's turkish bro

[versed rain]

@manic juniper

What do you think about Yisrael Katz's statement that Turkey should be removed from NATO?

[manic juniper]

Who is that

[shy summit]

What was the reasoning for wanting to remove it?

Human rights violations?

[versed rain]

israel Minister of Foreign Affairs

[shy summit]

If that were the case Canada would have been removed years ago…

[manic juniper]

NATO is perfect as is, if anything more countries could join for their own safety

[modern aspen]

show me a government that HASN'T done human rights violations

[versed rain]

Erdogan said that we will do the same as we did to Libya against Israel if Israel does not stop the genocide.

[manic juniper]

Georgia and Bosnia (if Bosnia wishes to)

[versed rain]

What do you think Europe and America will say to this Israeli proposal?

[shy summit]

True. Israel needs to stop. And I have problems with the many theocratic regimes mascaraing as constitutional democracies.

[manic juniper]

I don't know, probably will be ignored or nothing will happen

It's difficult to remove countries from the EU or NATO

[versed rain]

No one responds to Turkey's rhetoric about Israel.

[manic juniper]

I would've kicked out Hungary but it's not that straightforward

[shy summit]

We already stopped giving them toys to make tomato paste of the Palestinians and put them on the world court.

[versed rain]

Turkey is already a strong ally of NATO. We have no problem with NATO.

[manic juniper]

I'm saying unless it was causing huge problems (and it isn't) it won't be removed from NATO

[versed rain]

For example, the Israeli foreign minister called the Spanish prime minister ignorant and stupid for recognizing Palestine.

[shy summit]

What do you expect America to do? Be like Israel and occupy an entire people because we disagree with their religious claims?

[manic juniper]

If Israel itself was part of NATO it would be more likely to be removed but I bet it would be kept anyway

[versed rain]

Israel is aggressive against everyone.

[shy summit]

Israel is just plain aggressive with netenyahoo in charge

[manic juniper]

USA threatens to kick countries that don't pay the 2% GDP budget for NATO

But still nothing happened so far

[modern aspen]

what did america do to the natives? america is the worst civil and human rights offender in the world. and i'm american. i know my country is shit

[shy summit]

And you’d have us do it again?

[versed rain]

Israel is getting a lot of backlash. The offender is always aggressive and shouty.

[shy summit]

You want us to do it again but to Israel? We’re trying to be better than our past bro

[manic juniper]

Lol I expected Turkey to pay more

Bad boys

[versed rain]

@manic juniper we have economic crise.

Most of the money goes to the Southeast.

[manic juniper]

Yeah but that's why the target is 2%, so it's regardless of how rich the country is

[versed rain]

Prayers are prayed for the health of the nato in mosques.

[shy summit]

The rest of Nato needs to follow Poland’s example

[manic juniper]

I find it hilarious how there are 3 countries that pay just slightly less than 2%, it feels like trolling

[versed rain]

Spain has $600 billion more GDP than Turkey

[manic juniper]

That means they should pay more

[versed rain]

But Spain provides much less aid than Turkey.

[versed rain]

yes

[manic juniper]

I'm just surprised by Turkey since it has a stronger military

Plus the borders

[versed rain]

@manic juniper It invests mostly for itself, but also for NATO as much as it can.

[manic juniper]

If you look at the stats the highest percentages belong to eastern countries

[versed rain]

Turkey announced an annual loss of $600 million from the vault.

[versed rain]

becausr of russia

[manic juniper]

Yes, but Turkey borders many countries that are at war or unstable in general, that's why I expected more

I expected no less from my own country

https://tenor.com/view/mannerheim-cigar-smoking-gif-13663252

[versed rain]

For example, in our country, Meloni, the Prime Minister of Spain, the Prime Minister of Ukraine are very popular and very liked.

[manic juniper]

Meloni is from Italy

[versed rain]

There are NATO bases in most provinces of Turkey. Just because it borders too many unstable states doesn't mean it will help NATO more.

[versed rain]

idk the name of spain prime minister

i know meloni is from italy

[manic juniper]

I'm not saying that, I just assumed they cared more about their own security

Maybe it prefers to rely on itself instead

[versed rain]

Already Nato has borders next to almost all of its enemies.

in turkey

[manic juniper]

Belarus is the most powerful NATO enemy

[versed rain]

i dont say anything about it

[manic juniper]

Yes I know

I'm just stating that it's the strongest

[versed rain]

But it is unbelievable that even in this economic situation, when Turkey is confused on its own, it donates more than Spain.

[manic juniper]

Other countries lack the industrial output of Belarus when it comes to making tractors

[manic juniper]

But it's based off GDP so it isn't really a matter of wealth

[versed rain]

There is also the issue of possibility.

turkey has not

Turkey has a resolute stance against NATO's enemies. For example, isn't China the enemy of NATO in terms of production?

I couldt see any products except made in china

in europe

[feral river]

humm typically China is not a enemy of NATO

[versed rain]

But in production, yes. Because china is ally of russia

[feral river]

But it’s a competitive power that possible threats US national plan on global interests

[feral river]

Not really we are so ally with Russia but we do business with everyone

[versed rain]

i know

[feral river]

Russia’s cheap gas, cheap stuff is really satisfied

[versed rain]

i dont think nato behaves with justice against turkey

[feral river]

Yeah turkey holding one of the most important geopolitical regions that nato needs turkey to engage with their matters

[versed rain]

every nato member makes agreements with other countries but turkey shouldnt.

[feral river]

But turkey still has cooperation with other powers like Russia

So that’s just not bad but US sanctions against Turkey, well pretty weird

They really think they are the only big boys

[versed rain]

i think everyone has cooperation.

if turkey has cooperation with russia anormally. NATO shouldnt agree Turkey's agreement with Russia. NATO should say I can understand u, u are in bad conditions, i can help u with my products, u dont have any responsibilities to sign any cooperation with russia because i am next to ur side. We are one.

But they dont behave against turkey like that.

@manic juniper

[feral river]

I wanna join the NATO and EU

EU CHINA 2024

[manic juniper]

It's a community effort, if they don't like it they can kick any country out

[feral river]

MAKE EU GREAT AGAIN

[manic juniper]

Just like I believe we shouldn't respect Hungary in the EU for its decisions and kick it out

[versed rain]

but i hope nato should support turkey very much because of health of nato

[manic juniper]

I don't think it should if they choose to cooperate with Russia

[versed rain]

Because NATO always wants to be strong.

[versed rain]

But Turkey is obliged.

[manic juniper]

In what way

[versed rain]

The U.S. did not give the Patriots during the Obama era and Turkey had to buy the S400 from Russia.

Turkey has always wanted products from America before Russia, but also from Europe.

But they But they didn't, They said that Turkey wants to grow itself anormally in the region.

For example, Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet that entered its airspace in 2015.

But this was not greeted with great congratulations by NATO.

@manic juniper

For example, Germany prevented the sale of Eurofighters to Turkey because of the Israeli issue. And when everything is ready.

[manic juniper]

Trading never wasn't allowed

Most of Europe depended on Russia for its gas

If it was on that basis then NATO would have next to zero members

[versed rain]

But because of this, the United States imposed an embargo on Turkey for 6 years.

Also in Turkey, an agent who smuggled Turkish intelligence information was caught.

who is from america

Andrew Brunson

I mean, the U.S. never wants to support Turkey. It is forcing Europe to do the same. No one is free. America is just trying to get on good terms with the so-called Turkey.

@manic juniper

The majority of Turkish people no longer think that america is beneficial to Turkey.

[manic juniper]

It isn't a good ally in general

[versed rain]

But for Europe, the views are the opposite.

[versed rain]

but america wants it

[manic juniper]

There was the spying they did on European politicians few years ago

[shy summit]

The US won’t support turkey till it ends its theocracy

[manic juniper]

Blatant spying of its allies

[dapper laurel]

Hi people

[versed rain]

As a dissident, Erdogan occasionally uses religious elements, but he doesn't do it too much. I hope that Turkey will switch to the CHP in 2028, as in the provincial-district elections.

[dapper laurel]

Lol what?

[versed rain]

Because Erdogan tarnishes our image too much.

turkey is secular btw

[manic juniper]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/

[shy summit]

Its a theocratic regime in all but name

[manic juniper]

Many Europeans and Americans get surprised when I say USA is a bad and dishonest ally

[stable nova]

I don't agree

[versed rain]

Yes, i defend leaders like JFK

[shy summit]

We’re just the biggest throat clear in the locker room so what we say goes.

[dapper laurel]

Again, lol what.?

[versed rain]

And europe didnt response bad against usa afyer that spying.

[shy summit]

Don’t touch our stuff 🙂

[manic juniper]

Germany is the largest economy in the EU yet it doesn't spy or does anything like that with its allies

[manic juniper]

Yeah it was a shame, I would've changed relations after that accident

[versed rain]

erdogan is an conservative leader. Dont wants sheria but talks as a muslim.

[dapper laurel]

Ammerrica is our greatest ally

[manic juniper]

Just because your country is capable of something doesn't mean they should

[manic juniper]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
Why then

[shy summit]

Because it got its butt handed to it twice having started both world wars

[dapper laurel]

Murrica is great, second to none

Great ally indeed

[manic juniper]

80 years passed since then, they still didn't, neither did Italy, France... It doesn't take much to be good allies

[shy summit]

Is it a warcrime? Perhaps. Maybe its just USA

[versed rain]

Yeah, i feel good cause usa in nato but usa spys

[manic juniper]

It's only a strong ally but not a good one

[versed rain]

dont behave as an ally

[manic juniper]

Just like how Germany sucks at military projects

[versed rain]

yes

[gaunt bronze]

The U.S. is an amazing friend. 🥰

[dapper laurel]

However it is true, Europe should keep to its own business, create a confederation and become the master of the world

[thorny steeple]

The people debating on this server is the same as when I left

[shy summit]

We spell team with two I’s and the native word for self reliance: ** Apache**

[manic juniper]

I guess they didn't spy on Canada yet, or they weren't caught in the act

[versed rain]

if u dont see turkish people as european or not, i support ur this idea

[dapper laurel]

You're honorary Europeans

[gaunt bronze]

They probably definitely have spied on Canada.

[versed rain]

every country should has independence at foreign works.

[gaunt bronze]

But they are still an amazing relationship.

[manic juniper]

Do you consider people that spy on you as good friends?

[gaunt bronze]

However, it's not like Canada hasn't spied back, either.

[versed rain]

we are eurasian.

[gaunt bronze]

Ummmm, no, but it doesn't boil down to just that!

[versed rain]

because canada is a good one but usa not.

[dapper laurel]

I sympathize with the United States only because they are blood related to us

[gaunt bronze]

In modern day Canada I don't believe that the U.S. goes around spying in Canada.

[versed rain]

usa is in everywhere

[dapper laurel]

They are literally us but with more powers

[gaunt bronze]

Yes!! But the thing is they really don't need to spy.

[versed rain]

they need to taking the right step

[gaunt bronze]

We have a really good relationship w/ them (ppl would argue that we're too pinned to them, which I sort of agree) which makes cooperation between the two countries really easy.

[manic juniper]

Denmark or Norway would've been the most powerful countries in the world had they not stopped in Greenland

[gaunt bronze]

Like the U.S. can usually ask for some data and they'll get it from Canada and vice versa.

[dapper laurel]

Are you Canadian?

[versed rain]

just for their benefits

[gaunt bronze]

Yes, yes!

[dapper laurel]

What do you think if Canada joined the United States?

[gaunt bronze]

I mean, that can be applied to a lot of things! "Britain would've been the most powerful if they hadn't lost their colonies..."

[gaunt bronze]

Now that would be awful.

[manic juniper]

Yeah but I don't care about Britain

[dapper laurel]

Is this currently possible?

[gaunt bronze]

I love–hate the U.S.

[gaunt bronze]

No. It is not possible and it's definitely never going to happen.

Omg help- I couldn't imagine being an American. 😭

[manic juniper]

In the best timeline Kalmarunionen would be the most powerful country in the world and saunas would be installed everywhere in every country

[gaunt bronze]

0% chance.

[thorny steeple]

Do you sympathize with Southern Brazilians and African Anglos/Boers?

[dapper laurel]

Why? You have the same language, the same heritage

[dapper laurel]

Ofc

[gaunt bronze]

There are many similarities but there are many differences as well.

It is better for both of our countries to be separate.

[versed rain]

like turkey-azerbaijan.

[manic juniper]

Turkey and Azerbaijan should be one country

[gaunt bronze]

Even if you have two almost identical rocks over a course of millions of years they will change (witness change) incredibly, even if there are still similarities.

[manic juniper]

I don't think it makes sense for them to be separate, even Azerbaijani Turkish is a variant of Turkish rather than a fully separate language

[versed rain]

Azerbaijan was a slave of russia and they have assimilated too much.

[dapper laurel]

What changes? System of laws? Taxes? There is no problem, in a federation like the United States, each state can maintain the laws and taxes as it wants

[gaunt bronze]

Canada and the U.S?

[manic juniper]

No, Turkey and Azerbaijan

[manic juniper]

There is already a thing like that in Canada, Quebec is almost a separate country

[dapper laurel]

I think they are Persians with simply a slightly different language