🧠｜serious-chat

[shy summit]

But social programs bennefit a society so a society pays for it together

[feral river]

In a capitalist system people struggling with competition to other people to bring customers the better service the cheap stuff

What about socialism ?

[feral river]

How to value it

[shy summit]

I imagine you enjoy the fruits of socialist infrastructure each and every day.

[feral river]

I don’t think there is way you can value it in a socialist economy

[shy summit]

I’m not talking about a socialist ecconomy

I’m talking about socialist value combined with a capitalist market system

[feral river]

Based on state plan only creates more non-value jobs to spend more money on managing which is inefficient and expensive

That’s part of how Soviet Union collapsed

[shy summit]

Let’s just say I enjoy having roads 🙂

[thorny steeple]

@distant jungle btw i stand with Palestine

[distant jungle]

You know what i like you buddy ❤️

Palestine free ❤️❤️

[thorny steeple]

Thank you!

[stiff dagger]

sup

[halcyon abyss]

Sup

[feral river]

Split the territory of Gaza province of Israel ?

The only thing you will hear is the gun fire from IDF to fight against terrorists

[vapid hare]

The "gaza province of israel" is crazy

[feral river]

I enjoy more when construction companies with the super capitalists and government officials come together to share the benefit while they are charging people for the land/new area, new town, new buildings and new real state properties beside the roads and generating infinite profits to government.

They are real hero, who create value, generate value, benefit and serve the other people in competition

The magic of capitalism is how they are bringing people together no matter the race, the culture, the differences but only matter to how they can benefit each other, generate more value to contribute to the society.

[shy summit]

Ah yes the manmade famines, impoverished nations and depleted lands of natives are so heroic. I shudder to think what your concept of a villain may be.

[thorny steeple]

You words are enough.. use them instead to videos

[vapid hare]

Competition rather than cooperation guys

[dapper laurel]

It looks like he was having a heart attack 😂

[obsidian lodge]

ofc

lol even karl marx lenin and stalin dont say there is stateless xommunism

proleriat dictatorship, party is just organs for communism

also their mean goal is achiving communism

but you didnt read them ofc

obviously

🤓☝🏿

anarchism is international

if we achive anarchism there is no other global powers

long process

i am anarchist because i dont think same with marxists at some points

but all of us want to achieve COMMUNISM

to marxists after proleriat dictatorship was established goverment will extinguish itself and after enough meta created they will pass to the communism

so they dont defend STATE COMMUNISM

BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THAT

[obsidian lodge]

some anarchists are still libertarian socialists but do not care about communism too much but i am anarcho communist

[thorny steeple]

"Serious-chat"

[obsidian lodge]

fake link?

[dapper laurel]

I think anarchy isn't a possible thing today

[obsidian lodge]

🤓☝🏿

i dont say lets collapse goverment immediatly right now lol

[dapper laurel]

In the end, of course, man would reorganize himself into small communities, until modern times

[obsidian lodge]

everything has time

i dont think it is time

[dapper laurel]

It is certainly a process that took time, but it will not be useful, it would imply a regression of the entire human community

Unless you're a primitivist anarcho

[obsidian lodge]

no actually but

[obsidian lodge]

i am not

it is unlogical

[obsidian lodge]

idc too much 🤓

[dapper laurel]

Read TK, he has good points

[obsidian lodge]

tk is idiot

eco fascist

[dapper laurel]

have you read his books?

[obsidian lodge]

no just some articles

i will read

[dapper laurel]

Then you can't understand

[obsidian lodge]

are you primitivist?

[dapper laurel]

I'm not, but if you want to be anarchist, I suggest you to be a primitivist anarch

[obsidian lodge]

nah

[dapper laurel]

Your life will be much more fulfilled

[obsidian lodge]

i am anarchist

and my ideology is communism

i dont want to die because my leg is broken 😔✌🏿

[dapper laurel]

I don't think these ideologies will ever work

[dapper laurel]

In anarchy the life expectancy is 30 years

[obsidian lodge]

how .d?

it doesnt sound more than propoganda lol

but i wanna listen you

[dapper laurel]

In anarchy there are no services, hospitals or specialized people who can help you, everyone simply thinks of himself, consequently the strongest dominates

[obsidian lodge]

there is?

are you real?

lol

[obsidian lodge]

thinking only about your own interests requires thinking also about the interests of society

[dapper laurel]

In anarchy there is no system of laws, so everyone does what they want, lil bro

[obsidian lodge]

it is egoism

[obsidian lodge]

there is system

would you mind to learn what is anarchy?

[dapper laurel]

Brother, if there is, then what changes?

[dapper laurel]

Human beings are selfish by nature

[obsidian lodge]

"Solidarity is therefore the state of being in which Man attains the greatest degree of security and wellbeing; and therefore egoism itself, that is the exclusive consideration of one’s own interests, impels Man and human society towards solidarity; or it would be better to say that egoism and altruism (concern for the interests of others) become fused into a single sentiment just as the interests of the individual and those of society coincide."

anarchy isnt chaos

if you are talented in surgery or treating you can be doctor

[obsidian lodge]

you cant stay alive and fight with nature

without solidarity

whatever i am at work i have to go bye

[dapper laurel]

The assumptions from which this reasoning starts are obvious and simplistic for human nature

[manic juniper]

The EU is the closest thing we have to true anarchy right now

If you take Schengen that's pretty much anarchy, you can move almost freely within various different countries

Anarchy isn't absence of any order, it's more that government's existence and involvement has to be justified, people form smaller and bigger communities out of their will akin to an enormous worldwide network

Anarchy as defined by Kropotkin at least which is considered by many as the person that defined it the best

[obsidian lodge]

capitalist anarchy?

[manic juniper]

Nah just the Schengen aspect is, and it's kinda capitalist (at least, the reason of its existence are both about personal freedom and less restricted trade)

[obsidian lodge]

freedom of travel is anarchy?

[manic juniper]

But the results are undeniably anarchy-like, we don't have to be subjected to any control just because it isn't needed and we can move freely, it's as if like there are no borders

[manic juniper]

I'd say yes, freedom of movement anywhere

[obsidian lodge]

but there is still monopolys, states, authority

[manic juniper]

Of course outside of personal property

[manic juniper]

Yes, I'm talking about that one aspect only, it's far from an anarchy as a whole

But you must admit that it'd be a feature of an hypothetical anarchistic world

[obsidian lodge]

hm okay

[obsidian lodge]

it is one of the natural results of anarchy

[manic juniper]

And I've never heard of other countries doing anything of the sort, allowing anyone to freely move within so many countries

[obsidian lodge]

terrorist EU 😌✋🏿

[manic juniper]

Plus there is a good deal of mutual trust between the members themselves, there is no hostility at all

There is no danger of a country aggressively expanding its borders or trying to militarily occupy another

[obsidian lodge]

between countries? it is just political

[manic juniper]

Yes but it works

That's why I think anarchy would work here or at least in the Nordic countries

[obsidian lodge]

proudhon had a critique on the eu even before eu was establidhed 💀

[manic juniper]

What did he say

[obsidian lodge]

my battwry is %1 wait

[oblique minnow]

Helli

[dapper laurel]

Anarchy is a society based on the cooperation of individuals and the absence of any hierarchy, this also implies the absence of laws and no respect for them

I don't think it will ever work for the progress of humanity

It's like going 100 years back and there's little positive about it

[manic juniper]

You mean 40k if not more

I don't think humans ever were without hierarchies since the very conception of sedentary farming, maybe it survived in hunter gatherer cultures for longer

[obsidian lodge]

"Among the democrats in France, the idea of a European Confederation, in other words, of a United States of Europe, has been expressed many times. It seems that we have never understood this designation as anything other than an alliance of all states, great and small, under the presidency of a permanent congress. It seems to mean that each state would retain the form of government that suits it best. However, since each state has a vote in the congress in proportion to its territory and population, the smaller states would soon find themselves subordinated to the larger ones in this so-called confederation. Moreover, if it were possible to revive this new sacred alliance on the principle of collective evolution, we would see it rapidly degenerate after an internal conflict into a single great power or a kind of Kingdom of Europe. Such a federation would be nothing but a trap or would make no sense at all.

Proudhon

i translated it with AI from turkish to english

i am too lazy to find this passage on its english version

[ivory oracle]

Cool

[manic juniper]

I don't think it would end up in a conflict, they'd be allowed to leave but of course smaller states are subordinate to bigger states, it shouldn't be the case

Ideally it'd be closer to a federation with regions interwoven together that hold more or less equal power

[obsidian lodge]

fck nato fck eu fck capitalism

😌✋🏿

[manic juniper]

Sure

I don't think humans are smart enough to achieve any of that, even though I'm an anarchist myself, I'll always envy parrots for their perfect societies knowing mammals never did anything good or never built something worthwhile

This is the world parrot wants, and it's perfect

[dapper laurel]

Written from a phone on an international server

[obsidian lodge]

because theyare against internationalizm

lol

[manic juniper]

The EU wouldn't be but also there aren't the right conditions to accept so many countries

[late atlas]

Capitalism is the most fair system yet

[obsidian lodge]

irrogant

@late atlas

are you worker or boss

[manic juniper]

Capitalism is kinda showing its limits and inefficiencies

Products have lower quality and higher price for no good reason

Also it doesn't matter how many compromises you make with capitalists, they will find a way to exploit the system and make an entire country worse, I say this as someone from a Nordic social democracy. It isn't a system where compromises will work forever

[obsidian lodge]

i think nordic social democracy is the best capitalist system

[late atlas]

You are trynna say capitalism produces things of lower quality than communism?

[obsidian lodge]

most liveable

but i dont support that alsi

[obsidian lodge]

we dont care about quality lol

[feral river]

You can try and we have our guns, drones, missiles, even nuclear weapons to eliminate someone want to challenge us 😄

[obsidian lodge]

you dont have as a slave

your rulers have

[late atlas]

That word does not exist. Learn English first before you start talking about things you don't understand

[obsidian lodge]

to rule you

[manic juniper]

It depends on the country more, for example capitalism in Brazil isn't the same as capitalism in Finland, ours is obviously more liveable and produces better results

[feral river]

I have I’m not a slave but I’m man living good under capitalist system

[obsidian lodge]

i slept 3 hours and waiting for customer in office rn my brain isnt braining

[feral river]

I will defend the system, defend my rights and my interests

Why would I defend your interests ?

[manic juniper]

About communism those countries had communist parties in power because communism was their goal, but formally they were socialist

I don't think their socialism was good for their citizens because it often came in a package with extreme authoritarianism

[obsidian lodge]

socialism is very big term

[feral river]

I know that’s possible for some states like they don’t have the ability to prevent such ridiculous thing like that but in our country if you act like that you will be eliminated immediately

[obsidian lodge]

anarchists are socialist democratic konfederalists are socialists marxists are socialist

[obsidian lodge]

okay lol

[feral river]

And we are a socialist, Marxism-Leninism state 😂

[obsidian lodge]

no you are not

you are dengist capitalist state

[manic juniper]

Yugoslavia>Vietnam>Cuba>USSR>China>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Whatever the f*ck was going on in Cambodia

Talking about socialism

[feral river]

That’s the only way to achieve the real socialism

Stalinism

[obsidian lodge]

lol you didnt even read about socialism

before true?

[feral river]

I read it and it happened before

[obsidian lodge]

fck stalin dog

fck lenin

[late atlas]

Capitalism makes satisfied society unlike communism. Capitalism and free market let the society act free. Capitalism is about competition and therefore it makes better products. You can compare West countries (UK, France, Netherlands) and eastern European countries (that were oppressed by communism (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia). Western countries are much more developed (better infrastructure, better technology, better life level, better products). There is no discussion about it.

[feral river]

Stalin, what a legendary socialist leader

[obsidian lodge]

no it was not

they were revisionist

[feral river]

Revisionist is the next leader after Stalin’s leadership

[obsidian lodge]

no

it was going to the revisionism from start, lenin

[manic juniper]

I live in the best capitalist society in the world, I'm still unsatisfied, I still think it could be improved and made better. Was our capitalism good? Yes it was, for about ~50 years because they eventually found out a way to exploit it and make even the middle classes and everyone below it miserable. It doesn't really work, trust me, and it is going to make us poorer and worse off over time.

[obsidian lodge]

anarchists are also socialist?

liberterian socialism?

[feral river]

There is only one original socialist state ever existed which is USSR, and the state in your dream doesn’t exist ever

😂

[obsidian lodge]

you cant be free without socialism you cant be socialist without freedom

[obsidian lodge]

it does?

[manic juniper]

I guess it depends on the flavour of anarchism, classic anarchism could be considered socialist

[obsidian lodge]

yes

are you ancap? hoppean?

they are not anarchist

[manic juniper]

Not capitalist at all, probably anarcho communist or something close to it but I never read enough about it because I'm more interest on other subjects than economy and politics

[obsidian lodge]

of course nordic system better but it is still capitalism and slavery

[late atlas]

If you live in capitalism society and under democratic government, you should consider yourself as lucky person. You should be satisfied. Think about all the suppressed and oppressed and controlled people in China, Russia, North Korea.

[feral river]

Socialist never meant to anarchism, most of them were eliminated when Bolsheviks came to power

[obsidian lodge]

ofc you dont have to

but i need to say this ancom is also socialist

[feral river]

Lmao I’m from China

[obsidian lodge]

as a ancom

[feral river]

Oppressed, controlled people lmao

[obsidian lodge]

they are capitalist too

just in differen characteristics

state capitalism have you ever heard about?

[feral river]

Remember the only people being controlled or oppressed is the people who violated the law of People’s Republic of China

[manic juniper]

I consider myself lucky, but as someone that lives in a somewhat free society I wish for more freedom and equality for all, you know, the same things that made our country happy in the first place and better for everyone. And if the current system is eroding or failing then I am supposed to criticise it, I want either a reformatiom or a full rework of it in its entirety before it fails completely

[obsidian lodge]

one of characteristics of capitalizm is oppressing controlling people lol

dont america oppress people?

ofc it is better than china but

[obsidian lodge]

not by goverment but by monopolys

[manic juniper]

Yes it is, since communism is socialist isn't it?

[obsidian lodge]

socialism is very wide term

it includes communism

[manic juniper]

Yes I know

[feral river]

What a nice authoritarian rule that eliminate anyone want to challenge our society our system and our nation.😂

That’s called people’s democratic dictatorship

Very socialist

[obsidian lodge]

i am not defending anarcho communism %100 i am actually anarchist without adjectices

but i wish communism

[manic juniper]

For example I'm convinced that just by adopting a system not that much different from market socialism our country could be improved

[obsidian lodge]

but mutualism or other anarchists are also okay

[feral river]

Communism only in your dream, such people like me will defend the current order based on our authoritarian rule by using powerful weapons

[obsidian lodge]

markets dont mean capitalism btw

[obsidian lodge]

it is okay

[manic juniper]

It would foster more healthy competition and cooperation at the same time, less exploitation, definitely improved over social democracy

[obsidian lodge]

i love market socialists

[feral river]

Why the hell some people can’t even take down the North Korea want to challenge the PRC ? That’s quite strange

They are our socialist friend

[obsidian lodge]

mutualists are good

i like egoists

anarchy can change to the situtation i am ancom but

[manic juniper]

There you'd have a system that still isn't that utopian because it existed at least once and worked and competed quite fairly, but isn't a slowly failing system like social democracy, @late atlas opinions?

[obsidian lodge]

not that radical

[feral river]

Competition for our people, but exploitation for aliens.

They are different

[obsidian lodge]

GOOD AND FAIR CAPITALISM IS UTOPIA BECAUSE IT NEVER EXISTED

[manic juniper]

Aliens are reptilian, they will always exploit and reign over us

[manic juniper]

It did but for about 50 years and can't be replicated anymore, it was also just good for the sake of developing the country quickly

[obsidian lodge]

idc about developing countrys

[manic juniper]

Once our development slowed down it started showing all the cracks that a system like that brings with its existence

[feral river]

Capitalism doesn’t need to be fair but benefit a group of majority of people to maintain the capitalist system is all enough

[obsidian lodge]

it oppress people

with kapital

[feral river]

All you need to eliminate those people want to challenge your interests, not that hard

[manic juniper]

I mean our country, it was developing quickly economically but I wouldn't say it was a developing country per se

[obsidian lodge]

BRO IT IS OKAY IF YOU DEFEND FREE MARKET

[manic juniper]

You need some decades to build the organised crime that is a feature of capitalism

[obsidian lodge]

BUT IN CAPITALISM THERE IS NO FREE MARKET OK?

[feral river]

I don’t defend free market I’m sorry

[obsidian lodge]

there is just monopolys

[feral river]

I don’t defend it, I defend capitalism under authoritarian rule

[obsidian lodge]

you make most people slave for few peoples sake

[feral river]

Which is market economy under government regulation

[manic juniper]

Average mammal mentality

[obsidian lodge]

ohhhh you are

i dont have words for you

[feral river]

It benefit me and a lot of people so damn much we all defend it

[manic juniper]

This is why I doubt we could ever succeed, mammals barely conceive living with real freedom

[obsidian lodge]

go touch dirt

read adam smith

[manic juniper]

They never achieved anything like the termites did

[obsidian lodge]

karl marx

[feral river]

Know about Stalin, Lenin, Mao Zedong

Those great socialist leaders

[obsidian lodge]

no?

[manic juniper]

Opinions on Tito and Ho Chi Minh?

[obsidian lodge]

stalinism betrays leninism leninism betrays marxism

tito was better btw

[manic juniper]

Also Pol Pot

[obsidian lodge]

lol pol pot 😂😂😂

[manic juniper]

And idk who was the other guy, Fidel Castro? And Allende

[obsidian lodge]

than other socialist dictators

[manic juniper]

What's Minecraft's opinion on them?

[feral river]

Pol Pot made a lot of mistakes but mostly he benefited the farmers in Cambodia so just not bad

[obsidian lodge]

i have never seen such state capitalist like minecraft before

[obsidian lodge]

btw capitalism is authority

[manic juniper]

He is very consistent in general, you'll see

[feral river]

It is and I defend it

[obsidian lodge]

free markets are not capitalist

[manic juniper]

Minecraft wants more authority than average capitalism

[feral river]

My authority benefit me a lot I don’t know why you are so anti-authority

[manic juniper]

Maybe one step away from fascism

[obsidian lodge]

so you like soviets?

it is exactly what you like

[manic juniper]

He does but just the authoritarian aspect of them

[obsidian lodge]

so you are marxist leninist?

state capitalist

[feral river]

I’m a capitalist

[manic juniper]

He is Machiavellian

[feral river]

But capitalism under authoritarian rule

[obsidian lodge]

lenin is also capitalist

[thorny steeple]

ideologies are stupid, why can't we kill eachother with rocks

[manic juniper]

Mammals do that because they don't know better

Honestly I just want to chill with the dinosaurs

[obsidian lodge]

btw humans have abilty to change nature with their hands, think rational, and they cant live without solidarity

[manic juniper]

I'd enjoy a new flavour of anarchism called myrmeco-termitism with psittacine characteristics

[obsidian lodge]

are you anarcho primivitist?

[manic juniper]

It's based off ant and termite ideology and has the philosophy of parrots in it

[manic juniper]

No because there is no such thing as primitive

[obsidian lodge]

i find it stupid too but

[manic juniper]

Technology can be used to restore the world to its original state 40k+ years ago

Plus we are too many and living without technology is inefficient, it would literally destroy the world

It wouldn't be long before the world degrades again if we reject our current tools

[shy summit]

Because a threat to human decency anywhere is is a threat to it everywhere

[feral river]

Why not ? I’m satisfied with my life, I should not care anything but a stable positive state

Now I’m on vacation in Japan

[obsidian lodge]

you cant be free while i am slave

you cant live without me

you cant fight against nature and stay alive without solidarity

[shy summit]

Seems like a rather pessimistic and selfish way to live if you ask me.

[obsidian lodge]

it is characrteristic of humankind

[feral river]

Oh yeah ? So I can find another one replace you

You are not really special to me

[shy summit]

Lonely in a way as well.

[obsidian lodge]

lol i wasnt talking aboout myself

[feral river]

Does it matter?

[obsidian lodge]

are you stupid 😂

humankind based on solidarity

[feral river]

Who the hell cares some stupid excuse to benefit yourself?

Why not me ?

[manic juniper]

The first step to improve is to reject mammal irrationality and philosophy and learn from reptiles

[uncut linden]

Hi I'm a person Who makes others learn French or English, who is interested?

[feral river]

So ur Chinese ? Ur my friend ? Or you are my family ?

You are a human doesn’t show any value to anyone

[obsidian lodge]

If I don't knead the dough and he doesn't bring water, how can you make bread?

i make it simple for you

[obsidian lodge]

we can even be enemy but still we cant live without solidarity

[prime magnet]

Hi. I'm new.

[manic juniper]

What about the others? Do you like them or don't know enough about them?

[obsidian lodge]

there is also solidarity in capitalism

but this solidarity is just for few persons sake

[thorny steeple]

worst ideology ever

nobody takes that seriously

[obsidian lodge]

no it is not but

it is bad yes

[thorny steeple]

green aura

[obsidian lodge]

even in capitalism you cant live without solidarity

[feral river]

Why would I like someone want to challenge my interest 😂

I’m a capitalist

[obsidian lodge]

if you are bourgeoise you must societys solidarity for your oen sake

[manic juniper]

Anarcho primitivism would destroy the world anyway, just more slowly

[obsidian lodge]

LOL HAVE YOU EVER READ ABOUT EGOISM?

[thorny steeple]

wait you're from PRC and you're supporting full-capitalism?

[manic juniper]

Yes he is very consistent about it

[thorny steeple]

the PRC itself isn't capitalist either

or socialist

[obsidian lodge]

it is state capitalism

[manic juniper]

Just an opinion on the people, they are dead anyway so they can't challenge you

[thorny steeple]

arguable

[obsidian lodge]

ofc not classic capitalism

[manic juniper]

If you ask Minecraft he will tell you that it's mostly capitalist

[obsidian lodge]

capital isnt belong to monopolys but goverment

[manic juniper]

But it isn't enough for him to like it

[thorny steeple]

we know

state capitalism is different

[obsidian lodge]

dengism?

yes china is different than state capitalism but very similiar

soviets were state capitalist

like other leninist countrys

[thorny steeple]

that's even more debatable

I'm pretty sure stalinism isn't near to state capitalism

[feral river]

Well I’m pretty right-wing that I can precisely tell you because I enjoy my life everything is going well and I have money to go anywhere I want

Just like now I’m on vacation in Japan and it was amazing

[manic juniper]

Where in Japan

[obsidian lodge]

lol it is stupid for me to discuss this guy because i am working rn as a student when he is on vacation 😂

[feral river]

Osaka

[thorny steeple]

right wing capitalism leads to autism

[obsidian lodge]

capitalism is also bad for in his situtation but he cant understand

[thorny steeple]

🤥

[prime magnet]

?? def right-wing

[cursive bobcat]

Word: right-wing

Definition (adjective): believing in or supporting tenets of the political right

Definition requested by justin0wong

[feral river]

Pretty awesome

[obsidian lodge]

Michael Bakunin said that “No individual can recognise his own humanity, and consequently realise it in his lifetime, if not by recognising it in others and cooperating in its realisation for others. No man can achieve his own emancipation without at the same time working for the emancipation of all men around him. My freedom is the freedom of all since I am not truly free in thought and in fact, except when my freedom and my rights are confirmed and approved in the freedom and rights of all men who are my equals.

[manic juniper]

Damn I'm also in Japan but in Hokkaido, that's far from here

I'm in Wakkanai

[obsidian lodge]

@feral river

you do for your own benefit

[manic juniper]

Indeed

[obsidian lodge]

unlike capitalism

in capitalism you dont work for your own benefit but for your boss

or goverment

there is not your benefit in capitalism just bourgeoises benefit

you are just slave you thinking that you are living working for yourself

i dont use word slave as an insult dont get me wrong

[manic juniper]

Japan is the most pagan country in the world or at least top 5

[feral river]

Damn that was awesome

[obsidian lodge]

sry guys i slept 3 hours i will sleep until my boss comes good bye it was nice discussion

[feral river]

I’m in Osaka and going to Fuji tomorrow

[manic juniper]

I'm working here tho 🤘🏻😔

Shorebird conservation

[feral river]

Really ? If I know it early I want to meet you 😂

I’m with my friend on vacation

[feral river]

Yeah

[sour marlin]

Japan is beautiful as heaven

[feral river]

It’s just the heaven

[manic juniper]

One of my friends also travelled to Hokkaido months ago but unfortunately I wasn't there, she is from ROC

[feral river]

Beautiful than my home, China

[manic juniper]

And we have been friends for a very long time

[sour marlin]

In which city of Japan u r rn?

[feral river]

Osaka

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/taiwan台灣-gif-11756168

[late atlas]

I don't understand why communism is so attractive among young people all around the world.

[manic juniper]

It always was in my country

[late atlas]

"Free market" is one of the definitions of "capitalism". Mate you don't know what you are talking about. Almost all of your statements are lies. Go take a rest.

[sour marlin]

My fav

[shy summit]

Because the youngsters of the world are crushed under the weight of rich men. Have you seen housing prices?

They work for decades and can never make enough. The prices of goods climb, but their wages stay the same.

[wraith sorrel]

[fair panther]

Guys I have a question

[late atlas]

Housing prices are through the roof, I know. But people are still better off with capitalism than they would be under communism.

[shy summit]

Capitalism with Socialist values however…

[late atlas]

Name one country where communism has worked and created happy society.

[obsidian lodge]

yes as a student i am working rn

[shy summit]

Name one country that is entirely communist or capitalist

[manic juniper]

If you read the definition of communism it says that it's stateless, so there never was a communist country

[obsidian lodge]

if there is monopolys there is no free market?

[obsidian lodge]

i am highschool student

in turkey

[sour marlin]

Ask

[shy summit]

Absolute Capitalist/Communist systems do not and have never existed on the world stage

[obsidian lodge]

also as an anarcho communist i dont let rich class to own our solidarity for their own benefit

like how feudalism is collapsed

capitalism will be collapsed

[shy summit]

Or be changed

[obsidian lodge]

reform?

[shy summit]

Indeed

[obsidian lodge]

like social democracy

[shy summit]

Exactly

[obsidian lodge]

no i dont agree with you

ofc nordic system is better than

[late atlas]

communist countries:

USSR in 20th centry
PRC in 20th century
North Korea 2024

Capitalist countries:
USA
Netherlands
UK

The communist countries failed to create satisfied and functioning society. The capitalism countries has created fair, free and functioning society.

[obsidian lodge]

others but

[dapper laurel]

It's funny how we're all on vacation

[obsidian lodge]

learn difference between communism socialism

[dapper laurel]

I'm at the airport now

[obsidian lodge]

learn differen characteristics of leninizm

learn soviets are state capitalist

also do you know what USA did?

to be powerful

i do not like soviets but how can you compare it with usa?

soviets were feudal society before revouliton

but america was one of the world powers

north korea has very different ideology jucheism

also prc is something called dengism

they all are state capitalist capitalism in different characteristics

all countrys you named are capitalist and that countrys people are working for ruling classes benefit

[shy summit]

None of these were completely Capitalist or Communist.

Nor are they now

[shy summit]

And as someone who lives in a ‘fair’ country I assure you it’s anything but

[obsidian lodge]

do you live in nord countrys?

[shy summit]

No

[obsidian lodge]

social democracy is the best form of capitalism i think

[shy summit]

I live in the land of obesity guns and butter

[obsidian lodge]

but still capitalism

[fair panther]

If I say earth is round will that make me anti muslim

[obsidian lodge]

KDKAKJFKAKFKAJDJAJJD

😂

[fair panther]

Just curious

[obsidian lodge]

nice question

[sour marlin]

Well, first of all as a Muslim I'd say it has been mentioned in Quran 1400 years ago that earth is spherical and in addition if u ever believe the opposite of others that doesn't mean u r against them

[obsidian lodge]

i need to read examination of that ayat

how to say this in english

ayet ayat ayad?

[fair panther]

I see

[obsidian lodge]

commentary*

[thorny steeple]

Yo wdym

[fair panther]

Howa reyou brother

Guys what do you think that divorces should be illegal

[thorny steeple]

Nope

[native bobcat]

yo wsg

[manic juniper]

It works but only temporarily, and there is still exploitation of poorer countries

[weary belfry]

hello

[obsidian lodge]

discord is giving me free nitro for 2 months 😂

am i choosed one

[dapper laurel]

Quran says that the sun and moon can't crush because they're on different orbits too

[native bobcat]

what does that have to do with the earth being round

[slender wadi]

batman

[native bobcat]

we have a heliocentric and a geocentric model of the earth

[native bobcat]

yo wsg

[slender wadi]

no but fr tho

[slender wadi]

ok fckn nerd

[native bobcat]

we learnt this is science u were fckn there too bi sh

[native bobcat]

and i copied u for the science test

[slender wadi]

no

i was copying adam

so u were basically copying adam

[native bobcat]

and i was copying u so we prolly failed science cuz of adam

[slender wadi]

true

[unique light]

Ask the pilots if you can enter the cockpit

[dapper laurel]

It would be nice, but the only thing I want now is to sit down, I've been waiting for 3 hours

There are a lot of people from Singapore, I noticed, and the flight isn't to go there lol

Singapore will dominate the world

[sudden knoll]

English or spanish

[vapid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-kurt-angle-100-yard-stare-what-are-you-serious-gif-4081464694509837388

[feral river]

You really think I work for my boss and satisfying in a capitalist system

I’m a boss of myself I do investments I have my business to do and I built my intelligence and skills not work for some stupid company 😂

Also I have my ties to the people who work for government like they are member of CCP and I can take huge benefits from them

Idk why you are so anti-society or anti-government, I always think the people who greed as stupid because all they have done is give up their long-term interests for some stupid sh*t or actually live in the hell will have such emotions like this

I don’t think in our country we have large member of people who holding power to challenge the system and our government is working good to deal with them so good luck for you.

[obsidian lodge]

then no problem

i askes you are you boss you said no

[obsidian lodge]

im not anti society?

[obsidian lodge]

btw if you work freelancer and dont even have a little kapital you are still working for someone

[feral river]

Based on your logic, everyone is working for someone or to the ultimate power, the government

[obsidian lodge]

no?

[feral river]

But the truth is most powerful people satisfied in this system

And they hold the power

[obsidian lodge]

there is proleriat

[feral river]

That’s why I said I’m one of them

[obsidian lodge]

and bourgoise

are you bourgoise?

or proleriat?

i am proleriat

if you are bourgoise it is not unlogical to defend capitalism

[feral river]

I’m not 🤣 but I’m satisfied in this system so why not

Why would I want a dream rather than my great life

You can’t give a reason

[civic reef]

cuz to achieve a better state, you gotta have a dream to follow first

[obsidian lodge]

i am not anything than living lol

[feral river]

Oh then f*ck it

[civic reef]

lmfao

[feral river]

Who the hell cares your dream state

That’s not my dream state

[obsidian lodge]

do you think we communists are just dreaming and doing nothing?

[feral river]

Why talking like your dream state your dream state

[obsidian lodge]

politics, ideologies philosophy is just hobby for me

[feral river]

I care my dream state, over

[obsidian lodge]

disabled people has potential to show personal autonomy

so it is bad for me to kill them

btw every muslim should be anarchist

i see you are muslim

[feral river]

Extremism ?

[obsidian lodge]

there is no ruling class in islam

just free market

i think not communism but

every muslim should be anarchist

like mutualists

[obsidian lodge]

i am studying reading working

[manic juniper]

Minecraft isn't Muslim

He is atheist, or alternatively whichever religion grants him the most power and wealth

[obsidian lodge]

i was talking about another muslim guy

he deleted his message

[prisma cipher]

Sad

[late atlas]

That's a good point. Freedom of speech and thought are kinda important though.

[graceful valve]

😂

[late atlas]

What part are you sad about? Tell me

[graceful valve]

Your whole existence is sadness

[prisma cipher]

Just sad

[late atlas]

What do you disagree with? You can't even express your thoughts

[rancid pier]

**
YODAAAAAAAAA
**

[civic reef]

there is no comparison lol. social stigma vs being killed by the state

[prisma cipher]

I won't hear anything dumber today.

[civic reef]

i really wonder how people who end up here are this delusional wtf

[willow oracle]

Hello Guys, I have a domain, for example, text.com. I want to create 3 different websites from subdomains like a.text.com, b.text.com, and c.text.com. How can ı do that? Someone can explain to me from DM. Thank you.

[static pivot]

Thoughts?

[grave temple]

I thought you were supposed to avoid these kinds of topic

[static pivot]

Man

Or something

[grave temple]

You know perfectly the two camps

[static pivot]

I'm just simply looking to talk about it

If you don't have anything to say

don't waste my time

[grave temple]

That’s respectful

[static pivot]

Seems like I'm the owner 😉

So if I want to create awareness or talk about a serious chat

You call me a troll

[grave temple]

I never called you a troll

[static pivot]

You realise what you've been doing?

Crazy

[grave temple]

You know perfectly what you are doing

[static pivot]

if you just wanna chill there are plenty of chats

General, chill chat etc

[grave temple]

You know this server is diverse, people have different povs

[static pivot]

Leave serious chat for serious people only

[grave temple]

Why would you send these kinds of stuff

[static pivot]

I know better than anyone else

[static pivot]

Because it's a serious chat

[pastel epoch]

What you talking about? I have seen many white girls date black men ... you can't judge whole country by a single video

[static pivot]

And it's a serious political topic?

[grave temple]

Then you complain about serious chat being to violent

[static pivot]

I don't get it. What's your problem with it?

[grave temple]

Alr man

[static pivot]

Go to general

[fallow dune]

Considering the gravity of the current global economic situation, it is imperative that we all acknowledge the unprecedented challenges we face. The intersection of inflationary pressures, supply chain disruptions, and geopolitical tensions demands a strategic and unified response. We must engage in rigorous analysis, policy innovation, and international cooperation to navigate these complexities and ensure sustainable economic stability.

[static pivot]

Thank you.

[grave temple]

Don’t tell me what to do

[static pivot]

https://youtu.be/BY-DnIQdjyQ?si=VoXqxYVW9V2cGbDb
Hello guys, thoughts?

[grave temple]

You gon ban me like bin Laden?

[static pivot]

I did and you'll follow

[static pivot]

L O L

Thats a terrorist

So yeah if you're a terrorist too

Sure

I'll ban your ass

@willow oracle hellos.

[civic reef]

rules do not concern these who make them

[static pivot]

They do

But again

[civic reef]

they do not lmao

[static pivot]

Read the chat

I'm in serious chat

[cinder quartz]

let them wear what they want, it's just clothes

[static pivot]

I follow them

[static pivot]

agreed.

[cinder quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/chillin-chilling-chill-relax-pool-gif-16974138536260668869

[formal pilot]

[prisma cipher]

[graceful valve]

what is a white girl ?

[prisma cipher]

My thoughts, nothing.

[thorny steeple]

hellos

[pastel epoch]

Girl from white race

[graceful valve]

Are arab girls white girls ?

Cause Arabs are "white" In USA

[pastel epoch]

Maybe i don't know

[graceful valve]

Do you have a thing for white girls ?

[pastel epoch]

No...i was just replying her

[graceful valve]

https://youtu.be/QFvtB-c4VvY?si=UILKN5BmfAl1mcWs

[graceful valve]

PURE WHITE SKIN: Turn Off Melanin Production - Subliminal Affirmations

[graceful valve]

@pastel epoch Try this and you will be white in a month

[pastel epoch]

I don't wanna be white...i am happy with my light brown skin

[graceful valve]

I know you use fair and lovely

No need of that

You need affirmation and can manifest white skin in a month

[pastel epoch]

Fk no ..i am naturally light brown

Every skin colour is beautiful

Except black

I mean black too beautiful

[graceful valve]

I want to have white skin

[pastel epoch]

What's your skin colour?

[pastel epoch]

You can plastic surgery

[graceful valve]

Brown

[pastel epoch]

Also follow Korean skin care and medicine

[graceful valve]

No , i will manifest white skin through affimration and raising my vibration

[pastel epoch]

Bro you can't be white...if you want your future generations to be white then marry a white girl

[feral river]

You know me that much 😭😭😭

[graceful valve]

white people vibrate in higher frequency if you dont know @pastel epoch

[graceful valve]

They wont be white but mixed

[pastel epoch]

What ? Wdym vibrate ?

[wraith sorrel]

[pastel epoch]

I mean in most cases female gene is dominant over male

[pastel epoch]

Where you from if u don't mind saying

[graceful valve]

Frequency

[feral river]

What is female

[pastel epoch]

Huh ? You forgot your own sex 💀

[feral river]

Yeah unfortunately 💀

Now I think I’m sexually supreme leader

My sex is supreme leader, not male or female

[pastel epoch]

I got u trans

[feral river]

I own my right to identify the gender of myself 🏳️‍🌈

CUZ IM ON VACATION IN A PRO-LGBTQ STATE

THIS IS AWESOME

[manic juniper]

I remember when I was starting a playthrough on Mass Effect 3 and it said:
"Choose sex:
Male
Female
Import Mass Effect 2 character"

[graceful valve]

bro i have been using crytals to raise my vibration and i have never been this happy, joyful and postive ..Also , i have become slighly lighter than before ..no bs

[manic juniper]

The third gender

[pastel epoch]

Is lgbtq legal in china?

[graceful valve]

White people vibrate higher

[pastel epoch]

Bro Stop your obsession with high skin....i feel like black are superior than white in terms of physics ability...no hate to any race

[feral river]

It is but society doesn’t recognize it

[graceful valve]

why didnt blacks have any empire then ?

[feral river]

You can’t change your sex in terms of paper like another opinion than male and female

[graceful valve]

if blacks are superior

[feral river]

We don’t have that bs political correctness

That was stupid

[pastel epoch]

So u staratigh or lesbo ? Have you ever dated a guy

[feral river]

I’m not a lgbtq lol

I’m straight

[pastel epoch]

Idk man ask @feral river she is good at history and geography...also she is white

[pastel epoch]

W

[graceful valve]

china woman ?

[pastel epoch]

Yeah

Btw you haven't told me your nationality yet

Where you from

[feral river]

I’m not white lol I’m East Asian

Like average Chinese, Korean, Japanese

[pastel epoch]

I mean Chinese are yellow white...i have seen

[feral river]

Well quite white if you compare it with ppl from India or Middle East

[graceful valve]

Hyperborea

[pastel epoch]

Btw minecraft i know a Chinese dude

[feral river]

Yeah yellow white

[pastel epoch]

He is 5'7 and asking me to find a gf ... you okay dating 5'7 dude...he is from china

[graceful valve]

Yellow

[graceful valve]

Chinese are dangerous .They were buying pakistani girls .

[misty tangle]

They did Mali Empire

[pastel epoch]

Really? 😱I didn't know about that zamnnn....why they buying? They are plenty of women in china...also Chinese women are not getting married and most of them are 30 now ..i have heard this

[graceful valve]

Did they expand beyong the continent ?

or was the empire more about within the continent

[misty tangle]

they did not need to as they had a lot of gold there

so they had most resources they had within their borders they expanded here and there but not beyond continent

[graceful valve]

Then they didnt conquer much of other ethnicity and race ..The empire superiority only lies amongst themselve ( blacks)

Look at the mongol empire or the British Empire

Thats what real superiority is

[graceful valve]

I dont know .Probably due to incel problems

[misty tangle]

Yeah but mongols were a warlord state in the time of gengish khan and also the british people were looking for more resources power and stuff like that so they did also they had better military technology

[graceful valve]

we will have to see expansive black empire

[graceful valve]

Yellow ,Brown ,White and Black

[misty tangle]

superiority was there because they devided the people in themselves using their hatred towards each other as an advantage intern they got alliances and influence so after that with their cunningness they ruled

[graceful valve]

Youre yellow

[graceful valve]

Yes , divide and rule is also another good tactics ..Superiority doesnt only come from brute physical strength , Intelligence and technology also has a place

[misty tangle]

exploting unity is what is done today as well

just look at news media

you will see people fighting over diffrences and they fail to see the big picture of the common good of humanity that is the way for the goverment to control us as the british did

[graceful valve]

https://youtu.be/UmqkLZSun30?si=4yWnx5fklrep_wre

Watch this everyday when you go to bed

[manic juniper]

I transitioned to white 5 years ago

All I had to do was giving up my reindeers and learn Italian and Swedish

[graceful valve]

Welcome ( even though iam not fully there yet )

what were you before ?

[feral river]

I don’t think Chinese guys like Muslim girls

I see Chinese guys like girls from us, from Japan, from Canada, from Europe even Ukraine and Russia

I never see Chinese guys like Muslims

[graceful valve]

why you buying their girls then?

[feral river]

?

[graceful valve]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/12/5/more-than-600-pakistani-girls-sold-as-brides-to-china

[prisma cipher]

What do you mean even Ukrainine and Russia, are you crazy or what?

[feral river]

Aljazeera, do you like to see what our CCTV says

[graceful valve]

Fake chinese

hes a nato shill

[feral river]

That is just our cctv the media runs by government

[graceful valve]

he doenst like the slavic people

[misty tangle]

whats your opinion on Maoism?

[graceful valve]

are you denying it ?

[feral river]

I mean Chinese guys like Ukrainian girls and Russian girls

[prisma cipher]

That is it.

[graceful valve]

frog

[graceful valve]

There are russian muslims

[feral river]

It achieved great success like establishment of prc, 2 bomb 1 satellite, economic reform and fight against global powers to let China to be the global power, and it also has failures like Great Leap Forward and cultural revolution

[graceful valve]

You dont like them ?

[feral river]

In China you know where the Muslim being sent to

[graceful valve]

🤔 🤨

[feral river]

You will never see anyone in the streets covering their head

And we are an atheist state

[misty tangle]

Yes, Indeed I believe left wing ideologies under good leader can be benificial to the countries but mordern day leftist are unguided lost and forgotten the core values that made one a red.

[graceful valve]

genocide and repression

[pastel epoch]

Bro what... this is a fake video 😭 you got scammed he got view

[feral river]

That’s not genocide and repression, just arrest some terrorists and some criminals

Not all the Muslims being arrested

[graceful valve]

you said muslims arent allowed to wear hijab

[feral river]

Only the Muslim violated the law of prc will be sent to the re-education camp

[graceful valve]

send me

what do they even teach

[feral river]

Yes, disturb society order

Violated the law of PRC

[graceful valve]

free education ?

[feral river]

You can’t spread influence over society

[misty tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205898139081510942/1249590374658216018/based_china_edit_soyjak_meme.webm?ex=669bee79&is=669a9cf9&hm=5d7f7cd662adad7c9e2b9790c8f19d2b12e4e5e07345b8789ff207dc219f64bf&

[feral river]

That’s not allowed

Wearing hijab is disturb society order and will be punished under the law of prc

At least under the Xi’s administration

[graceful valve]

how does it disturb society

[feral river]

No question to the law and government

That’s not allowed, no protest allowed

If you do it, you will be punished

So that’s a good thing

Government made laws protecting the interest of majority of people

[graceful valve]

there must be a reason

[feral river]

Disturb society order

[graceful valve]

true democracy

[feral river]

This is the reason

[graceful valve]

how

[feral river]

No how

[graceful valve]

a true democracy doesnt care about minorities ..china is very democratic

[feral river]

That’s called people’s democratic dictatorship

We have our paper and our term of democracy

[misty tangle]

china is a authoritarian regiem

[graceful valve]

authoritarian democracy

[misty tangle]

True democracy is the nordic countries

[graceful valve]

fake

[misty tangle]

thats a contradiction

[graceful valve]

soyjak democracy

[misty tangle]

yeah but it is more democratic than india china russia and many other countries

[feral river]

Wearing hijab or practicing your religion in your home, very good but in public or in society, no.

We don’t care if you practice your religion in your home, but we do actions if you spread influence over society disturb society order and influence people

[thorny steeple]

is that the same for lgbt?

[feral river]

Not same, actually it’s only for religious people

LGBTQ in China is quite minority and they don’t have their community to challenge the political in China

[graceful valve]

china bans lgtbq

[feral river]

So they are allowed to do it since they don’t do politics

[graceful valve]

It doesnt care about its majority

[graceful valve]

Lgbtq is quite political

[feral river]

Once it becomes to a political movement it’s the time of disappearance of them

[feral river]

Not political in China

[misty tangle]

Bro I had a friend from Malmo he told that it is full of islamic people

[feral river]

They are so slient in China, no one dare they can say something or challenge our government

[graceful valve]

Can i come to china and live in your basement for some days

[misty tangle]

LGBT are banned from donating blood in India

[misty tangle]

Also the supreme court baneed LGBT marriage

[graceful valve]

India is a communist fascist regime

[misty tangle]

in Indian society LGBT people are frowned upon fathers kill their children if they are gay

[graceful valve]

are you from India ?

[misty tangle]

Not quite I wish it was a strong country like that but its devided within still

[misty tangle]

yeah

[graceful valve]

Youre a dravidian ?

[misty tangle]

No Indo-Aryan

[graceful valve]

Tamilian

[misty tangle]

No

[graceful valve]

?

[misty tangle]

Tamils are dravidians the south in general Im from the north east which is Indo aryan

[graceful valve]

Hrithik Roshan is Indo Aryan but you dont look like him

[misty tangle]

It varies from person to person

also anglo indians are their as well

for example rajashtani people are most indo aryan

[graceful valve]

https://tenor.com/view/hrithik-roshan-kabhi-khushi-kabhie-gham-alina-reaction-hindi-gif-17031342835578475012

[graceful valve]

Youre from Rajasthan ?

[misty tangle]

No

I am from the east rajashtan is in the western region

I am from a place called West bengal

its a state in the east and west of bangladesh(east bengal)

[graceful valve]

so youre a bengali

[misty tangle]

yeah I am

[pastel epoch]

Bro West Bengal is in India

[graceful valve]

Youre a communist ?

[misty tangle]

Yeah that was what I am saying

[graceful valve]

How is it divided ?

[misty tangle]

I consider myself close to fascist ideology than to communist I am a left leaning centrist authoritarian

[misty tangle]

Political and Socitial

[graceful valve]

Do you like Mamta Baneerji ?

[graceful valve]

Must be the caste system

[misty tangle]

Well he has some other bloods as well the depection of Aryan people are fabricated by a austrain writer that hitler used to depict his aryan super race

the word aryan came from

North india which was called Arya bharata

[graceful valve]

He is a Brahmin

The top caste

The top dog

[misty tangle]

Yeah He is indo aryan but he has some foriegn blood I will say

If you track back aryan history you will find

[graceful valve]

He is not mixed

[misty tangle]

Aryan people were originally Yamanites from a region called yamnaya right at the caucasis mountain they immgrated through Iran and central asia to the northern regions of India and because the northern region was called Arya Bharata from their came the world Aryan

and this is what Yamanites looked like

facial reconstruction through Bones

[graceful valve]

The sinthasta people

[misty tangle]

yeah

[graceful valve]

The thing is sinthasta people got mixed with the aborigines

[misty tangle]

yeah

[misty tangle]

Well a little bit but most politicians are corrupt here thats the thing

Even the Indo aryan some of them got mixed with local tribes here

[graceful valve]

AASI ( ANCIENT ANCESTRAL SOUTH INDIAN )

[misty tangle]

Yeah

but the thing is that its all mixed now you cannot say that you are 100% aryan

the highest purity ones are king families mostly

[misty tangle]

I am Brahmin as well but you need to realise that not all brahmin looks like hrithik roshan

He has west sided blood thats why he is more pure a part of his blood comes from punjab and the sindh region

[graceful valve]

But , we can see this contrast between the Indo aryan and Aborigines( AASI ) clearly in some places( expecially between the Brahmins and Tribal groups )

[misty tangle]

Yeah

[graceful valve]

Most Indian are a mixture between the two

[misty tangle]

Yeah mostly

even if they are white they have some amount of aborgines blood

like 10% to 5 % for the purest ones

[misty tangle]

which country are you from?

[graceful valve]

True

[graceful valve]

scythian influence ?

[graceful valve]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-world-globe-mapping-details-gif-3270140137824791678

[misty tangle]

Yeah I guess

[misty tangle]

Thats earth Not a country

[misty tangle]

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[noble niche]

How dare she indeed.

[graceful valve]

Yes, some Brahmins just look like the Aborigines cause of mixing

[misty tangle]

Yeah thats the thing

[graceful valve]

How do some people still hold to caste purity with this clear genetic evidences of race mixing

[misty tangle]

thats what human are best at doing showing superiority because of "oh i have more aryan blood than you"

Most Indian nowdays are like pajjet bro

[graceful valve]

"I have 30 percent steppe ancestry henceforth Iam superior than you ( even though I share the same 50 percent genetics with you )"

[graceful valve]

Hmm

[misty tangle]

Dumb argument blood dosnt make you superior but action does

[graceful valve]

Arent Bengalis around 5 percent east asian shifted too ?

[misty tangle]

Yeah but my family comes from the Up region

And punjab

[graceful valve]

What is the meaning of this meme ?

[misty tangle]

soyjack memes a meme about mordern day internet

[misty tangle]

this is mordern day fake communist people https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/809308213110767666/995670327105433650/20220710_153757.jpg?ex=669bafc0&is=669a5e40&hm=6ba9d91cddbff8128a26c296f9bb8904812f17125cc27c9f0101419b4788d107&

[graceful valve]

Pathological sjw communist

[misty tangle]

whats your opinion on the LGBT?

[graceful valve]

Dont care that much ..I have a neutral stance on it

[graceful valve]

Mamta or Modi ?

[misty tangle]

I don't really like their whole agenda as is I am neutral towards them but if they try to make you one of them or enforce propoganda on your children I am against it

[misty tangle]

Mamta for state and Modi for Prime Minister

[graceful valve]

I mean which one do you prefer

[misty tangle]

Well neither

I don't like modi's privatization efforts even though he is a nationalist as he calims and wants autarky

[rancid pier]

I like how flat it is

[misty tangle]

Modi Hasn'f fullfiled his promises as well

but the thing that Shifts the scale is his privatization effort

[graceful valve]

For religious reasons ?

[misty tangle]

Not even that he is somewhat tolerant than other bjp leaders I don't like he contradicts himself me myself I am a nationalist but he says he is a nationalist but then get multi national companies to Indian to poison indian youth

[rancid pier]

Both are good

[misty tangle]

Both are sufficient at their respective fields

[rancid pier]

Cause no one cares about you lol

[graceful valve]

Chinese are honorary aryans

[misty tangle]

even with privatization india has a huge unemployment issue it is just giving companies a edge over workers so they can pay so little to the workers because of the abundence

[misty tangle]

what do you mean?

[graceful valve]

I mean are you against lgbtq for religious reasons

[misty tangle]

Not even that I think it's immoral in general I am an agnostic person

[rancid pier]

You better read some research on lgbtq before saying immoral

[misty tangle]

Volentierly shedding your seeds for the reason to fulfill your own lust is immoral

[rancid pier]

Wtf

You're delusional bro

[misty tangle]

I might be if I am I shall figure it out by experience as most LGBT people I have met in real life and also in internet I did not have a good experience with. Also it goes against my cultural teachings

I am tolerant of them as long as they do not interfeare with my personal life

[rancid pier]

You can't impose your personal things on others

Culture has nothing to do with science

[misty tangle]

Its my opinion and I stick by it and about imposing I do not do it. I said "I think its immoral" not that everybody should think that me personally I do not really like them

and if you try to make me accpet them then you are imposing your belifs on me and contradicting yourself

[rancid pier]

Okay 👍

[misty tangle]

Alright it seems that you understand good 👍

[rancid pier]

I'm talking about scientific research not beliefs lol

Soja bhai

Goodnight

[manic juniper]

What does it say

[misty tangle]

Research yeah I have read some of them but its like this they are that way because of varities of reason it really depends on which criteria you talk in

If that is their problem from birth alright but the impulses they get because of it they should control it

[manic juniper]

Why should they

[misty tangle]

some things about people's sexuality developing because of truma molestation and from birth and vise versa

[uncut linden]

hi

I help to learn French or English who is interested

[manic juniper]

If it's there since birth and it's just interactions between two consenting adults I don't understand why anyone should interfere or judge them

It'd be like policing people's tastes or kinks

[misty tangle]

That is right its their business but do not bother other people for it

[manic juniper]

They do not...? They're pretty much invisible

[misty tangle]

well there are in some cities schools and colleges

and also the beggars

many of them will bother you until you give them money

and in schools and colleges they try to get along with some straight guys and they get beaten up for it

[manic juniper]

I've never seen a beggar in real life

[manic juniper]

That's a bit extreme

[misty tangle]

thats the thing I am saying

you have not seen this peopleI I have

thats why my opinion is like that

[manic juniper]

It's a generalisation

[misty tangle]

Well if someone says to me sodomitial things I would tell them to get the damn out of my face but the thing is many of them are presistent they do not so they get beatenup

[pastel epoch]

Lol dude stop capping i never seen this...so stop spreading negative things to people

[misty tangle]

Well most are like that some are ok but most of them bother you

[misty tangle]

I am not It happened in my school that is why I am saying it

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't lump an entire group of people together just because of a bunch of rotten apples, if I were to do that with every group of people that wronged me or others few would be spared

[misty tangle]

for me its like that you see boundaries I have principles if they break them then I do not care if they are lgbt or not they are getting beaten up

[manic juniper]

That's unrelated to generalising

[misty tangle]

as I said I am tolerent of them as long as they do not interfare with my personal life

most did so I am really cautious around this people and also I talk with them not like insulting them in their face

[graceful valve]

Steppe-jeeta vs AASI-jeeta

[misty tangle]

Man the thing is most lgbt people I have encountered were not good encounters so its like that and generalization is like it is the thing of experience that you had majority of time with people

[misty tangle]

Yeah

[graceful valve]

Ajnana

[graceful valve]

whats the reasoning behind it being immoral ?

[thorny steeple]

@pseudo ocean I was saying that the bible is not not written by the single version

The bible has many books

The bible has teaching of Jesus and stories of ancient Israelites with God

These things were slowly consolidated and made into one book in the 1500's called Bible

The most popular version is the King James version

[graceful valve]

mostly lgbtq being immoral always has religious justification of God commanding against it

[misty tangle]

It is not immoral to love each other but to engage in lustful behaviour to satisfy owns end is immoral

[thorny steeple]

Sorry if I wasn't audible + I was kinda nervous revealing my voice

LGBTQ is collapsing every society

[misty tangle]

I think that in general to most groups that engage in sexual behaviour out of lust and destroys the means of creation exp. Pedos furries molesters etc

[graceful valve]

But you need to be atleast a spiritual person to say that

[misty tangle]

True

[graceful valve]

because we can say lustful desires are hindering our moksha/liberation or endangering our salvation in heaven or something

[manic juniper]

Spaniards took LGBT away from Filipinos and they became miserable

So much for causing societal collapse

[graceful valve]

But, without any religious consequences , you cant simply say it is immoral

[misty tangle]

Spiritual a little bit yes

I follow some teachings of my forefathers

[thorny steeple]

They're always saying about freedom to love each other but in fact It divides the public

[misty tangle]

Yeah that's the thing when you try to enforce a belief so profound that you need to force people to accept it intern making them angry

Its all just poltics deviding and ruling people

[thorny steeple]

I think It also can be expressed as a disability

[misty tangle]

Yeah it is

[thorny steeple]

on scientific aspects

[manic juniper]

There is no such thing as disability in science

That's lingo used in civil sense to recognise people's limitations, in fact what counts as disability and what doesn't is subjective

[thorny steeple]

It's a kind of mental disability

[manic juniper]

It isn't

Should we consider religions a mental disability too? People say they feel things that don't exist and are best friends with invisible beings

[thorny steeple]

It also has a bad effect on children

[misty tangle]

It is subjective yes but it is a special condition I will say

[misty tangle]

Exposing any sexual content to children is bad

[manic juniper]

Not much, its very existence is made up but so is sexuality as a whole

[thorny steeple]

I agree 100% with you

[manic juniper]

Just like gender roles

[thorny steeple]

There are only two gender, male or female

[manic juniper]

There are no genders

[misty tangle]

Yeah

There are two genders

[manic juniper]

There was no word for gender in Finnish until 1980 so no there are no genders

Pretty sure it wasn't a thing in many other languages

[misty tangle]

You either have XY chromosome or XX chromosome biologically

[manic juniper]

That's chromosomal sex not gender

Gender is language grammar

[thorny steeple]

XX and XY are normal but others are abnormal

[manic juniper]

There are languages with more than zero genders because they created them

And languages with 3 or more

[misty tangle]

Yeah but that doesn't justify having like so much genders

[manic juniper]

It doesn't justify having more than zero genders

[misty tangle]

If your definition of gender role is socially constructed roles that are enforced upon people then I will argue that there is no reason to have 2 or 3 genders

[manic juniper]

People enjoy genders in their languages, English has three genders