🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

and you will be okay

[tulip gazelle]

Sounds like cool experience but i wouldnt want take the risk, what was your favorite part of it

[feral river]

well Pyongyang is awesome like in their highways, there are no cars on it

and other places like we take a train to go North Korea and you can't even see a proper road

[tulip gazelle]

Driving on highways before that sounds awesome

[feral river]

and like few people in there idk if it was my illusion but I didn't see really much people

and they speak Korean (I can spell Korean and read/speak/write some Korean but still basic)

[tulip gazelle]

How do people tell where they are going sounds hard to figure out destinations

I often wonder how average north korean lives and how they visit each other in other regions or family in other parts of the country

[feral river]

they are not allowed to leave their provinces if they don't got a permission to the local agency

that sounds very terrible but it is

and for the local economy, food industry I don't see many and I'm not allowed to see many

[tulip gazelle]

My friend in china said he had to gove heads up to local police when travelling to other region of china but he was never prohibitted visiting any as long as he gave head up

[feral river]

but their currency is so damn cheap, food is damn cheap, and I heard their hospitals and houses and edcuation is all free.

[tulip gazelle]

That is good at least then in that case

[feral river]

so they are living a nice life without a lot of worries but lacking of high tech even phones

just like you are living in the past but they are happy

[tulip gazelle]

Thats interesting to be honest

[feral river]

and they don't care because they don't know much about internet or something

and they also don't know the outside of the North Korea

but they all know is watching the TV in the center of their garden or square to know what's happening to their country

electricity running out every nights

[tulip gazelle]

I wonder what north korean war movies are like

[desert nebula]

Though you don't deserve a reply. Especially when you always support the terrorist Israel

[feral river]

seems you replyed a lot and I support Israel yes not verbal but using my money to fund Israeli war industry.

and entry into turkey to stay here like permanent like a citizen is violating the law

I don't think something verbal works but I believe my money is going

and they gonna use this to buy some guns idk that's okay that's what im gonna do

[desert nebula]

You reminded me of a Turkish journalist I think. I'll send the video when I find it. He showed how the hypocrites sees the syrians and the ukranians.
If you looked at the numbers of the Syrian refugees and the ukranian refugees in the first years you'll know the difference 😅
Now tell me how we're NOT THE SAME

Isn't Russia interfering in both countries?

Since Russia interfered the Syrian refugees increased

[tulip gazelle]

Yes they are

Russian nazis also do war crimes to syrians like wagner group

[feral river]

you from Syria they from Ukraine, Russia consider Ukraine as their own people, and your syrians are illegal immigrants

remember, illegal immigrants

alliens

okay ? is that clear

[desert nebula]

InshaAllah, his whole family should be thrown since this father became the president Syria wasn't Syria anymore but his son is more of a psychopath

[tulip gazelle]

Ukrainians do not consider russians the same as them or the same country what Russia believes isnt tie to reality, different language, culture, history and people

[feral river]

yeah as you said but Russian authorities provide Russian passports to Ukrainian

[prisma cipher]

Just one question, a bunch of countries interfere in Syria, Russia not first one, but you mention only Russia, is everything alright? I mean you good?

[feral river]

that's what they do, they consider Ukrainian as their own people

and those syrians are just illegal immigrants

[desert nebula]

That are controlled by Türkiye right?
The real Syrian army already died in the war now only left the terrorist army of bashar and the other troops controlled by Türkiye İran Rusya PKK.......

[feral river]

criminals which already violated the law

[tulip gazelle]

They also abduct ukrainian children from families in occupied zones to indoctrinate them

Not best example to use for turkey and syria

[feral river]

yeah so still a lot of differences idk why he kept saying there is no difference

maybe he got a lot of money from syrian illegal immigrants

who knows

[prisma cipher]

This information fake.

[tulip gazelle]

They are alawite too ehich is kind of fringe religion if i remember

[desert nebula]

I know I'm a clever girl no need to confirm.
Prices rose in most countries now I think they need syrians to put the blame on. Poor politics how can they justify their corruption without us🥲

[torn bridge]

If real one died then new one come right? If u don't wanna see Turkish army in your country how about putting Syrian man instead of us better

[feral river]

well Russian's interest in Syria is also important for you guys for expanding influence over middle east

but you guys are late compared to the americans they established their bases first

[desert nebula]

It happened a lot years ago I saw someone talking about this but now I'm witnessing it in life.

[torn bridge]

Can u tell me how government blame for financial situation.... Erdoğan always supported u... Is it lie huh

[tulip gazelle]

They are doing it in west africa too for resources

[feral river]

and they interfered syrian civil war a lot than you guys do

[feral river]

yeah they do work for americans

[torn bridge]

If u think they are scape goat take all refugees and see how your economy develop bro

[prisma cipher]

Yes it is but I mean it's bunch of countries fighting there, but that dude see just Russia. Like us were there way before we did, but he don't see it. Classic brainwashed.

[tulip gazelle]

Things start small and escalate very quickly in situation like this

[feral river]

literally yes a lot of countries in there are supporting their proxy to ensure their interest in Syria

[torn bridge]

It affects rent car food health everything... Clothes education

[feral river]

that was the tragic fate for a non-power nation

that is the world

superpower, great power are players, regional power are pieces, and non-power is the board.

[tulip gazelle]

Turkey economy tried basing it off chinas but lack the population and wealth and currency flexibility china has for massive infrastruktúra projects which is why the turkish economy is failing not just refugees

[torn bridge]

It is like population of 20 new City for Türkiye and we aren't ready for that..

[desert nebula]

Where? Egypt or Türkiye? There's many syrians in Egypt but not everyone can get there especially refugees.
And I said Türkiye is the neighboring country and the closest to North Syria. Surely they'll go there if they still wants to live. Also it's your president who welcomed and opened his country for us. Seems all that love speech by your gov and people was a cover

[torn bridge]

Ok. I was supposing only it was affecting

[feral river]

illegal immigrants

do you like illegal immigrants rushing into your country ?

[desert nebula]

Yeah don't cry my family did it a lot(before the war) they don't get a permanent resident but we enter and leave easily BEFORE THE WAR. if you wanna see some pics of Gaziantep tell me it was closer to us than to visit my mom's city

[prisma cipher]

yeah this doesn't mean I like it, but it's how things are done. and if strong countries do this, you don’t need to take one country and point your finger at it and say, you’re bad

[tulip gazelle]

No its due to Erdogan economic policy, he want to do a ton of infrastructure project like china in region earthquake is common, but also lack china cheap currency and population while growing isnt as big as china. He wanted use infrastructure to revitalize economy, it worked short term but cause a ton of inflation and now economy is going in crisis and he blames syrians for every problem

[torn bridge]

Lol... Cover? After 13 years maybe patience run out.... Did we invite and ensure you Europe standards.. As I told u why Egypt isn't welcomed as Türkiye then... After 13 years not just after the war..

Ungrateful.... That's all

[feral river]

oh nice then good for you

I'm good too with the recognize of the State of Israel with Republic of Turkey

they are friends

[desert nebula]

Salam

[tulip gazelle]

Russia is genociding ukrainian right now, so they are bad

[torn bridge]

Offff u r still supposing Erdoghan blames them... I won't try to explain he doesn't blame bro can u show me where he blamed

[torn bridge]

Not much....

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel

[tulip gazelle]

What other reason Turkish people would blame Syrian for everything to do with economy when economy is in it situation because of Erdogan

[desert nebula]

Ok let this money save you from hell.
Keep supporting the strong terrorists till one day you meet them in real life but it'll be too late to regret

[torn bridge]

Security crowded...

[feral river]

lmao what a useless curse

all I need to do is see how is this money going up

and it is

[tulip gazelle]

Israel will never attack china because Israel only tries to target neighbors because it has military advantage over them

[desert nebula]

Yeah I know about them🫠may I ask where are you from?

[feral river]

it proofed that investing Israel is profitable

[desert nebula]

[prisma cipher]

I watch the video from Kharkov, and I don’t see large-scale attacks on the city. the main fights takes place outside, this does not look like genocide of the population. You can also see statistics on victims. to call it genocide there must be many times more civilian casualties than military casualties

[feral river]

profitable profitable nice

[tulip gazelle]

Poland originally but i am in usa now

[desert nebula]

I'm such a clever alien then. I could adapt and treat humans more humane than some of you "Humans"

[feral river]

actually we have cooperation with Israel in many fields like militarily

we even sold weapons to Israel

[tulip gazelle]

There is evidence of liberated cities and villages after russian occupation of being completely emptied and mass graves found its easily accessible on google

[feral river]

and cheap stuff made in China also shipping to Israel

[desert nebula]

Besides yeah I saw how they start their own poeple. Reminds me of assad how he treats his people I wonder if they're brothers

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China-Israel_relations

[prisma cipher]

Classic propaganda, when someone liberate city first thing to do is tell how bad were those people

[desert nebula]

Do Putin have blue eyes like Asad?

[tulip gazelle]

Putin is Georgian just like Erdogan

[desert nebula]

I mentioned several ones but you only commented on this😅 here I was comparing Syria to Ukraine and I don't think there's Iran in Ukraine to compare

[tulip gazelle]

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/new-report-highlights-evidence-of-escalating-russian-genocide-in-ukraine/

[feral river]

nothing more I just mentioning that those syrians illegally stay in Turkey is illegal immigrants

[desert nebula]

Asad and his gov Russia PKK İran and all the extremist add to them some Turkish soldiers who killed some of our citizens USA also.......

[feral river]

and Ukraine, Syria is different

[desert nebula]

I wonder if there's more all are terrorists on my country

[torn bridge]

Woow....

[prisma cipher]

didn't you understand what I said? I didn’t say that there were no civilian victims, I said what could be called genocide and what not.

[torn bridge]

that's the appreciation for 5 millions... Maybe because of that we struggle

[tulip gazelle]

I think israel and syria is much more complicated conflict than ukraine but i know what you're saying

[tulip gazelle]

What Russia's doing violates multiple guidelines regarding genocide in geneva conventions

[prisma cipher]

I saw you mentioned several times Russia. I read what you write before.

[desert nebula]

You know a lot. Yep he's alawite. I don't know much of their beliefs but they have things from Islam Christianity and some weird beliefs idk from where🙃(like this soul transfer to another body after death...)

[prisma cipher]

I said that can change my opinion, the total number of civilian victims is more than military victims, everything else is not genocide

[feral river]

well that's your own people how does that make sense ?

can you genocide yourself ? i don't think that works

that's your own people, the Great Russian

[torn bridge]

Mao.

[feral river]

remember the days of Union of Soviet Socialist Republics

you guys are from in one big family

[prisma cipher]

If I said that he going crazy.

[tulip gazelle]

I think we probably won't fully agree on this issue with genocide but i'll leave it here, i think there is plenty evidence online to show whats genocide, but i never had a conversation on this topic that end well

[torn bridge]

No one likes them especially who lived under Ussr

[feral river]

you can denounce communism but how does that make sense they can declare themselves as their own race ?

and they split your country

[feral river]

well propaganda

[torn bridge]

Yeah. Yeah funded by MI6 and FBI

[feral river]

actually if you know about USSR you will know that living condition in most of times of USSR is nice

[tulip gazelle]

Former USSR countries and communist bloc don't see that way anymore, maybe early in 90's after breakup but not any longer

[desert nebula]

Did we force you to come here?😅 You acted as an ally for us and opposed Asad but truly it was only to get rid of the terrorist Kurds .
Million Syrian died already and yeah we were about to remove him if the trash didn't beg for help from other countries.
Civilians aren't superheroes to stop a bomb, a rocket or any illegal chemical weapons

[feral river]

only the time of collapsing they have a lot of problems

[prisma cipher]

What I say will prove this direction and intent of military operations. but what you are talking about are isolated individual cases, and in war anything can happen, including mistakes and anger and just bad people. but this does not show that the meaning of the whole war is genocide

[feral river]

you call kurds terrorists because they staying in Syria ?

[tulip gazelle]

Ukrainians and Belarusians had their own nationstates and kingdoms before russian empire & muscovy and had many uprisings for independence during russian empire and declared indeoendent states after ww1

[feral river]

LMAO then Turkish can call Syrians terrorists because they staying in Turkey based on this logic

[torn bridge]

Wtf what level of.... As much as I see u will live happily with terrorists.... Turks will host millions of refugee Turks will support your side but at the end of the day u'll treat me as Russia İran and Esad what a nice...

[desert nebula]

Yeah Erdoğan "used to support us" he showed his true face now.
Look at him trying to restore his ties with assad after calling him a terrorist a child killer......
Many of your politicians blame us and don't say otherwise and seems Erdoğan is going to join you soon so he won't lose his popularity

[prisma cipher]

One thing might prove different total number of civilians dead more that military

[feral river]

yeah with the german support but still puppet of german empire

[tulip gazelle]

No they declared it before germans

[prisma cipher]

Yes if you ask Ukrainian they believe they are so different.

[tulip gazelle]

There was the All Ruthenian Council in 1800s

[desert nebula]

Go read from the beginning and don't pick up the words you like

[feral river]

they believe is not what you are gonna tolerant it

you need to know how to make them believe

that's what you guys doing here

[prisma cipher]

Spoiler alert they aren't.

[feral river]

with the force of Russian Federation

[desert nebula]

You can't know a person well from the first meeting but rather time shows you their truth

[torn bridge]

Lol.... What shall he do keep sending weapon your dead Syrian liberation army (as u told me) ... U lived under dictator Sisi right who killed Mursi so maybe they will deal 🤝 with each other u like or not and will be better....

[tulip gazelle]

Беларусь нават не лічаць сябе рускімі і маюць слабейшую нацыянальную ідэнтычнасць і гісторыю чым украінцы

[prisma cipher]

I just recently watch a lot shorts video with girl on the bike, she talk something and show how she driving, after a while she was stopped by police and only then I realized she is Ukrainian.

[tulip gazelle]

Yeah that is very true tbh

[prisma cipher]

Literally the same people

[feral river]

I get it anyways

[feral river]

bro how you can tell a difference ?

[tulip gazelle]

Try speaking with a Ukrainian from West Ukraine or Carpathia

[feral river]

I can't even tell a difference between Korean and Chinese

[torn bridge]

Can u tell me who's your real friends Bahreyn UAE Ksa or Egypt who helped u most who hosted you even u hate Turks there's reality okay. See it

[feral river]

they look the same

[tulip gazelle]

If its in east the girl was speaking russian not ukrainian

[desert nebula]

So what's it then? Do humans change their skin like snakes do?
You did invite and insured their safety. You gave hope for millions when you said you'll welcome them and opposed Asad.
You should have said from the beginning you won't allow them😅why after 13 years??

[torn bridge]

He called Esad as a brother before civil war..

[prisma cipher]

No idea language is the same culture the same we were grown watching the same movies, no idea

[desert nebula]

🤢🤢🤢

[feral river]

so you guys are the same

they are your people

[prisma cipher]

When police stop her they speak Ukrainian, because I guess they have to and the have Ukrainian flag on the their bike

[feral river]

lol

[feral river]

🤣 🤣 🤣

🇮🇱 🇹🇷

[torn bridge]

Wtf u came my country how I invited you... Shall I wait u die would be better??? Even w are doing right s..t u won't like us that's the truth. I didn't invite anyone we just helped who struggled and saw their betraying

[torn bridge]

Lol ... Nonsense

[feral river]

what if I can proof it's not nonsense

[desert nebula]

I wonder why the west keeps interfering in the middle east since the past and then cry when he sees refugees. What do they expect?

[tulip gazelle]

So you can understand this no issue?

[feral river]

they don't cry but they took a lot of benefits like military positions, cheap labors, resources, pretty much

and they will continue to do it

[torn bridge]

What if I can proof China support Palestine?? These are politician u'll show some s..t that I knew already no worries.... But we boycott Israel and avoiding commercial stuffs... Don't u know how politics work and keep repeating same like parrot

[feral river]

oh then you wanna say China support Palestine ? I can tell you China support more to Israel.

[desert nebula]

Yeah and China isn't close either. Their existence alone surrounded by all the arab countries feels weird but the blame is on is after all.
I wish sham(Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine) will return as one together

[prisma cipher]

And in the past, I have subscribed a lot of people on YouTube, and like 10 people from my subscription started to say they are Ukrainian after 2022 and they support it, I unsubscribed most of them, but like before that I was thinking I just watch Russian bloggers

[feral river]

and we have cooperation with Israel militarily and economically

so tell the deal with Palestine and China

even one.

[torn bridge]

More or less support both of them at the end of the day...

[tulip gazelle]

Same people and language, so what's this guy saying

[desert nebula]

Ohh

[torn bridge]

Abbas visited you right that's enough.... Also do u recognize Palestine as a state I mean your president 🤔

[feral river]

we just do businesses, who has money we do business with whom

[torn bridge]

So u understand welll....

[feral river]

we do and we recognize Israel as a state too

we do businesses

but I don't see Palestine has money to deal with us

Israelis have

[torn bridge]

Then ... It is same for us. But RİGHT NOW we're supporting Palestine ok... 🧠

[feral river]

we have cooperation with Israel militarily and economically that exists

[feral river]

you can support Palestine and I can support Israel

I respect you but I don't see many people respect me

[desert nebula]

The conflict between Syria and Israel was mainly because of Iranians in Syria.
Even the Golan asad's father left it for Israel😅
The Palestinian conflict is different though.

[torn bridge]

Maybe u do business with İran and they provide rocket to Hamas so clever political analyst

[feral river]

we do we also do business with North Korea, Iran, Russia

and we do business with US, Israel, EU

but you know who has more money

[torn bridge]

Do whatever u want.... I'm done today.. live for money die for money happy end 👏

[desert nebula]

Because I'm talking about the ukranian and Syrian war now. That's the common thing between both.

[feral river]

you need to proof your purchase power

[prisma cipher]

I respect you, but you might not respect him if you don't like his opinion, you might understand it but not necessarily respect it

[feral river]

and purchase power of Palestinian ??? what the heck

that was funny

[feral river]

understandable, I also support Russia in Russian-Ukraine conflict

[torn bridge]

No one mentioned about that... U just create your own discussion...lol

[feral river]

why can't I, are you a introvert ?

I'm not I have a lot to say

[tulip gazelle]

That is true and is funny, because it reminds me how russian view ukrainian how turk and israel view arab

The Russian earlier kept talking about russian and ukrainian being same people & only example is russian propaganda videos & ignoring east ukrainian use russian because was forced on them by ussr & empire

So he thinks we are all same people, but at same time will never understand spoken ukrainian much less ukrainian dialects or rusyn language so is quite funny to see this double think both sides

[desert nebula]

You're funny bro that's what they call them
My aunt was living in an area under the Kurds control and it was safer than to be under the child killer control. Though I think the area is under the Turkish control now since it's in North Syria

Kurds in Syria are syrians there's a kurd Syrian family here. We call each other "Syrian"

[feral river]

under control of Turkish maybe they are turkish or syrian

[torn bridge]

How Turks viewed Arab?? And why u need to pit Israel near Turks? For perception

[tulip gazelle]

Negative

Because turkey support israel against their fellow muslims from my perspective

[feral river]

fr I don't care that much but I support Israel with my money

they can use my money to buy guns

[prisma cipher]

it would be funny if Ukrainians really spoke Ukrainian

[torn bridge]

Ohh really??? Don't u know Mavi Marmara affair

[feral river]

whatever they can do

[ancient mauve]

Ha?

[tulip gazelle]

Go to Ukraine outside the east and plenty do

[ancient mauve]

Turkiye support palestine amk Immigrants come to turkiye

[prisma cipher]

Problem is, most of them just don't

[torn bridge]

U just take a part of history as u wish that's all

[torn bridge]

Dur a... Dur

Çorba oluyor burası sonra

[verbal torrent]

Aha

[ancient mauve]

Boş konuşuyo ama sen türksen õzür dilerim buradan gidebilirim.

[verbal torrent]

Agaiin

[tulip gazelle]

When you base entire interaction off east ukrainians then sure only thing you meet is russian and surzhyk, but east ukraine isnt most ukraine

[ancient mauve]

Amanabiyo

[prisma cipher]

I live near Ukraine, you just don’t need to tell me what language they speak there, I know from my own experience that in all big cities and even Kyiv they speak Russian, and speaking Ukrainian it was as if you were from the village

[desert nebula]

I didn't witness when Mursi was leading in Egypt first.
Second I don't support Sisi but did you know he gave some syrians the Egyptian nationality? Every Syrian who contribute with millions to his country can get the nationality.
Besides there's not racism or killing in Egypt walk at any street you'll find a Syrian restaurant that's full.
And to clarify you're supporting with weapons to kill the PKK. Nobody really cared to help remove the dictator

[torn bridge]

Bize sallıyorlarda uslubunca cevap vermeye çalışıyorum. Real argüman varsa sunda trolleme lütfen

[ancient mauve]

Kanka trolleme değil, olanı söylüyorum emine hanim gecenlerde almisti filistinlileri. Ayrica birak sallasinlar uğraşma mute yersin adam kayiriyorlar

[tulip gazelle]

Back in 90s and early 2000s sure, most used russian, but not anymore and it's clear you havent been to ukraine recent, because all my family in ukraine used ukrainian or their local dialects only used russian for business reasons

And if we talk ukrainian russian used in center and east is different to russian used in russia multiple way from stress, vocabulary and many other thing it not even the same kind of russian

[torn bridge]

Ohh I see u never seen Syrian restaurant in Türkiye..lol. I was the one who's bringing social aid Syrian family 6 years ago with foundation but times changed... That's all

[desert nebula]

They're mostly Egyptians. I don't need their financial help but they let us work(equal salaries btw) and live among them without hatred or crimes and that's enough for us. Syrians seeked a safe refuge till their country become safe and it will never happen while the terrorist is ruling.

[torn bridge]

Eyw

[prisma cipher]

👍

Now they forgot Russian

[desert nebula]

And btw maybe some years ago my fav country was Türkiye. I knew it hosted many syrians until your crimes against syrians rose.

[torn bridge]

And Why don't they go .. they can go safely right now?
Am I wrong... If Egypt is better there must be more immigrants than Türkiye because we are super villains and barbars... Maybe Egypt has a few compared to Türkiye or they just got as they wish so u feel safe maybe...

[desert nebula]

He called him terrorist during the civil war. Wars ways show the true face of poeple now again seems he'll call him brother

[prisma cipher]

@tulip gazelle you know I respect your opinion. So far you don't say bad thing I respect that.

[tulip gazelle]

Most know it because were forced to learn russian empire and ussr but they are moving away from it even in east and center most are switching to ukrainian and have been since 2014 its used most in east

Its seen as a oppressor and colonist language

[torn bridge]

And until Syrian crimes rose right....

[tulip gazelle]

Well, im just giving perspective of ukrainians i dont really hate russians i only dislike when they rude

[prisma cipher]

No. People who learned Russian by force like you said don't speak Russian, but Ukrainian still speak it. Like go in Georgia young people for real don't know Russian.

But Ukrainians is different

[desert nebula]

Keep dreaming even china isn't with terrorists

[torn bridge]

Because of that I don't want anymore immigrants because I'm being the bad guy at the end of the day.... That's all no one give a sh.. about how much Türkiye lost...

[desert nebula]

They're crying too

[prisma cipher]

Same here

[tulip gazelle]

Situation of Georgia and Ukraine is different because East Ukraine always had a complex about Russian over ukrainian until invasion in 2020, the thing that people ignore is, language doesn't mean identity in Ukraine, they see russian language use and outsider think they see themself as russian but they still consider themself Ukrainian

What turned the east heavily against Russia recently was their invasion, they still wanted close ties even in 2014, but now they dont

[prisma cipher]

Polish don't speak it, but Ukrainian and Belorussian speak Russian language.

30 year is enough to stop speaking language if they teach it by forces

[desert nebula]

It all depends whether they'll benefit from the other or not. Ukraine and Russia can be allies again in the future and called one or be like what Turks(not all) view Arabs

[tulip gazelle]

The east mainly speak Russian, center Ukraine it depend where you go, but many places in Kyiv have switched to Ukrainian, west Only Speaks Ukrainian and Carpathia speaks Rusyn, Hungarian and Ukrainian

Belarus Russian situation is because of Lukashenka, he harmed belarusian language more than Stalin or USSR did, but Luka doesnt even consider himself Belarusian

[desert nebula]

They're Syrian

[tulip gazelle]

I don't think Ukrainian and Russian will be friends again at all to be honest, its far too much bad blood at this point

[torn bridge]

Why not look at Eu

German Uk France

[tulip gazelle]

Who?

[torn bridge]

These are splitting each other

[tulip gazelle]

Because at this point Ukrainians view Russia as a colonizer and a nation genociding their people and families, youre going to have at least 3-4 generations of ukrainian who want nothing to do with russians or russia

[prisma cipher]

but I don’t consider this a language learned by force, it’s just a convenient unifying way of communication. it is clear that countries to which this language was strange stopped speaking it when the USSR collapsed.

[desert nebula]

I know there's. If there wasn't I won't hear about the incidents of burning Syrian shops in Kayseri.
So you're helping them what happened now? Did that Syrian family changed and doesn't deserve "humanitarian aid" now?

[tulip gazelle]

Because it's not their native language, you had to use russian or russify name to get ahead in USSR if you didnt you were never moved ahead or had your name remembered

Outside of Russia, countries dont see Russian as a valuable language to learn anymore for business or social reasons have increasingly moved to native languages

There's no love for former USSR in these countries outside Russian now

[torn bridge]

Yeah I'm tired of seeing same arguments.... Your priority is your nation... Mine is my nation... that's all but there's little spec all these stuffs accidents atrocities happen inside of my country so as a normal minded human being I try to avoid it by removing factors...

[desert nebula]

Bro you do realize Egypt is another continent right? How can a refugee cross there?
And who told you they can go safely? What changed now in Syria. The dictator is still there. The terrorists are still there nothing changed except that Asad killed a lot and now taking rest till the poeple on his list come back to kill them in his famous prison sednaya

[tulip gazelle]

He probably means the sea like algerian do in italy and spain

[prisma cipher]

because that's how propaganda works. The country should not love the time when it was united. because that means then we need to unite back. and the meaning of independence is lost. This is why all former members say like that.

[prisma cipher]

Like if you say it was good or not that bad, people start to ask, why than we are separate?

[desert nebula]

See the difference between the crimes😅when a Syrian kills you can punish him we don't need him he's a criminal we won't view him as a Syrian but when a Turkish kills a Syrian his reason is only pure racism.
When you see criminals as criminals regardless of their nationality then that's logical. Fixing a crime with another crime is dumb

[torn bridge]

Sorry for my s..t English I mean there's million of Syrians who live in Türkiye right? So they can leave here and go there I mean Egypt by ship through Mediterranean sea right

[tulip gazelle]

I can tell you man, Ukrainian do not believe in concept of brother nation or USSR at all, USSR & Russian Empire is viewed as colonizer to Ukrainians, this is common among many young Belarusian now too.

Our history really is a lot different to Russian history, we don't view or have the same lense of the world or history as you guys at all.

We even speak a completely different language with different culture, when I wrote Rusyn to you earlier you didn't even know whar Rusyn is & even Ukrainians dont understand it. You can see why the view we are all the same doesn't fit strongly to many Ukrainian and Belarusian anymore

[thorny steeple]

how they gonna do that

[torn bridge]

I'll die did I fell u let criminal Turks release and free... U just manipulate topic valle fed up

[torn bridge]

Ship 🚢

[desert nebula]

I think they'll hate the government but not the people. I have a friend from Russia and my cousin is half Russian so I always hate the gov not the nationality. I hope people see it in this way

[prisma cipher]

Yea you believe different history, I'm not, don't want to argue, since you are 👍

[thorny steeple]

whose ship? which ship? who gonna protect them at the nowhere of the sea? are they gonna get accepted at the destination they go?

[charred trail]

Turkish kills Syrian?

[tulip gazelle]

It's different for Ukrainian and Russian because of history, many Ukrainian really do hate Russians for their own reasons, i dont hate russians but I am wary meeting them because i never know their political view to ukrainian or rusyns

[desert nebula]

First of all I don't prioritize a human over another. I'll be on the side of the right one regardless of his nationality. If a Syrian hurt a turk I'll be with the Turkish and vice versa
When you stop being so nationalistic and understand all humans deserve the same rights you'll understand me

[thorny steeple]

it happens not everybody is so perfect

[torn bridge]

Do u know the topic or u just jumped up??? She was giving a compliment how Egypt is great and Türkiye worst ok... So Egypt can do that Eu can do that Arab Emirates can do that instead of buying Neymar and other starts ok except Türkiye because we're bad...

[tulip gazelle]

Yeah, thats fine, i just giving my perspective why nowaday many these people no longer see themself close to russian anymore, maybe it will change in long future but will require regime change to do, i hope you guys achieve a democracy someday and no longer ruled by dictator

[torn bridge]

Yeah yeah u don't prioritize... Be real after all convo...

[desert nebula]

Yeah but I haven't heard of such cases bc it'll be to dangerous. It's a long distance from Syria to Egypt unlike Türkiye. We even passed through Türkiye first to get to Egypt🙃

[thorny steeple]

nobody is gonna take refugees like nothing why do you think refugees got to turkey instead of other places? cuz they bought us

they used us as a barrier

[charred trail]

Oh that's so sad

[tulip gazelle]

Yeah im not sure how he means myself

[torn bridge]

..... 🤔 Is that map invisible

[tulip gazelle]

No

[prisma cipher]

democracy is overrated, but I don't want to argue about it. Just a cliche

[tulip gazelle]

But that distance is very long even if on a map it looks short

[desert nebula]

Egypt didn't open it's borders like Türkiye the drawing makes it too easy but you should be aware how many Syrian died in the sea😅 You know Alan kurdi that Syrian child right. Your soldier was the one carrying his little dead body

[desert nebula]

I just mentioned what's happening

[desert nebula]

Type turkey Syria today and see what's happening

[tulip gazelle]

Most refugees on boats drift until they arrive on shore, im sure theres lots of rafts with skeletons who havent washed ashore yet out there still

[thorny steeple]

are you blind..

[tulip gazelle]

Whats it say

[torn bridge]

Started with Syrian r@ .. a child and Turkish people got out of control

[thorny steeple]

our country is sold

[torn bridge]

Yeah....

[torn bridge]

Yeah there's no hudud for brotherhood so Egypt is still good option

[desert nebula]

I know some people hate just like this. I had an Azeri friend who hated Armenians(all) and I couldn't understand how can someone hate a whole nation bc of history. No country was innocent honestly but everyone is responsible for their own acts only

[tulip gazelle]

I feel bad for armenians tbh they never catch a break

[thorny steeple]

armenia and azerbaijan had a war tho

[tulip gazelle]

Nagorno Karabakh

[desert nebula]

I'm defending them since no one does bro. If I hated Turks generally I won't have friends from there. During the earthquake our pain was one. But I wish your poeple start viewing is the way we did.

[torn bridge]

No need to say we ig maybe u do that personally...

[tulip gazelle]

This is at Mukachevo in carpathians

[desert nebula]

There's revolutions in North syria and they don't want the existence of the Turkish soldiers there.
But that sentence on the wall was saying brotherhood has no limits.

[tulip gazelle]

Why does turkey have armies in syria

[thorny steeple]

"kardeşlik sınır tanımaz"

[thorny steeple]

terrorism, to protect its borders

[desert nebula]

Egyptians are good but not their government(for us). They don't have agreement with the EU to accept refugees like Türkiye.

[tulip gazelle]

Didnt they learn from USA it doesnt do anything

[thorny steeple]

well it did tho

no terrorism on east turkey now

[desert nebula]

Yeah unfortunately

[tulip gazelle]

Isnt PKK still there

[thorny steeple]

not really

no no they're not

[torn bridge]

Just escaping and finding another hole...

[tulip gazelle]

They are ignored by most people and nations too

[thorny steeple]

they're totally cleared, only if they're not hiding very well

[desert nebula]

What about you? How do you see us?
Have you talked to syrians irl or do you have Arab friends?

[desert nebula]

The nature and the houses are so beautiful

[torn bridge]

I did. I stayed in the same dorm I had Syrian teachers... I also said above I helped them.... But my mind changed that's all I was defending them before until I realize it's getting worse unfortunately

[desert nebula]

As I know it's to protect their borders. Second bc they were opposing Asad and but mostly to fight the PKK there by supplying the free Syrian army

[desert nebula]

USA also fought there to kill terrorists 😅but seems they forgot about the main terrorist in there

[torn bridge]

And I don't generalize all Arabs there's many different country and culture... Why shall I criticize random Tunisian or Kuwaiti for example

[thorny steeple]

right? why criticize a random syrian too

[tulip gazelle]

True iraq i dont understand but i can understand going to afghanistan because taliban and bin laden

[torn bridge]

Off Kurbis yoruldum ben fazla açıklamaya ne hacet...

[desert nebula]

I knew about them from syrians(of Armenian origins) :)) but I didn't know about the genocides or how they reached there back then

[thorny steeple]

açıklıyoruz da anlamak istemiyorsun kü

[torn bridge]

Doğrudur ben biraz inadım

[thorny steeple]

sorun yok, zaten çoğu anlamıyor ister türk ister arap

[torn bridge]

Öyle

[thorny steeple]

genocides...

can't make anybody understand that there wasn't a genocide, they wont understand anyways

[torn bridge]

Yeni bir facia konu.....

Kolay gelsin sana ..

[desert nebula]

Bro did the poeple change to change your mind? Why not say you watched so much of your biased media. Let's be real when I watch my poeple killed I also feel negative feelings towards Turks but I do calm down after when I realize I can't hate a whole nation for some individual crimes.

[thorny steeple]

they didn't fought every nation at their downest time at all

[thorny steeple]

hahahha

[thorny steeple]

same, we gotta be real about that

[tulip gazelle]

I gotta go for the night all

[thorny steeple]

good night, farewell!

[desert nebula]

Maybe you didn't but many did just yusuf here was saying several times he hates syrians and Arabs. Btw again I'm mentioning this if you typed in Arabic
An attack on ....
Tourist you'll see all of them happening in Türkiye. Idk if our media is biased or it's real most Turks hate Arabs

[torn bridge]

... I have to be rational that's all.... I saw streets where's no Turks anymore so sad .... Syrians who are claiming they're poor and need help but at the same time have a lot of children after immigration... I mean how can't they realize their own situation so I have to protect my country that's all

[desert nebula]

[thorny steeple]

tbh my dad himself don't hate arabs instead he still insists that they're brotherhoods

it's just a thing young people say

it's understandable when you think about it

[desert nebula]

There was several genocides in the past but not all countries still hate each other for that.

[thorny steeple]

yeah.. thats the problem

[thorny steeple]

i thought you were talking about armenian genocide

[desert nebula]

Yeah, you proved to me before also😶

[torn bridge]

Look don't make me do that I'm not enjoying...

[desert nebula]

Good night:)

[torn bridge]

Afərin 🐸

[thorny steeple]

see? it's all what they show you

while in meantime same thing happens for turks

you can't make anbody innocent here

[desert nebula]

Syrians sometimes gather in a certain area and that happens in many countries not only syrians who do this. In Egypt there was cities who was only filled of Syrian shops like Rehab....most of my Syrian friends lived there. I don't know how's that bad. That city was very beautiful 😅

[torn bridge]

I m aware of that my purpose is decreasing immigration and providing safety as much as possible... That's all I don't say let's give them hands of killers...

[thorny steeple]

yeah that's the thing

[desert nebula]

Neither did my dad or grandpa. That's why I'm wondering what you're taught at school. In Aleppo they still use many Turkish words since the ottoman empire. We don't realize this even

I'm

[torn bridge]

If it happens authentically maybe ok but all of these happened after immigration in the short period compared to other.... There was also Arabs before immigration in the south east np I'm okay with that because they're our citizens but the immigration is totally different and another topic

[thorny steeple]

wdym by what you're taught at school?

[desert nebula]

You just proved my point😅 each country will show the other as a criminal. I didn't even type the word Turkish but it showed

[desert nebula]

Yes, it's one of them. It didn't happen?

[thorny steeple]

it's not a "genocide"..

but yeah everybody overworld insists that its a genocide

[desert nebula]

bro

Does carrying the term "refugee" will make you worse than someone not Turkish but not a refugee?

[desert nebula]

Yusuf said he studied at school how Arabs betrayed the ottoman that's why he hates arabs

[thorny steeple]

well everybody betrayed us when you think about it like that :D

every nationality in ottoman wanted independence when nationalism spread

[torn bridge]

There's difference if I would put some strangers in your house u won't equalize them as your parents or your siblings maybe temporary time...

[desert nebula]

It seems everyone has their own perspective.

[sly rock]

We need a channel for "inappropriate" sayings, for real

[thorny steeple]

not everyone, mostly every other person overwolrd and turks have different opinions

[torn bridge]

We both learned there was Arabs who betrayed and supported us ..

[desert nebula]

Not to mention that ottomon army contained Arabs too and after the revolt the majority stayed loyal.

[desert nebula]

We learned if someone is in need to help them and yeah we did this during the Lebanon crisis the numbers weren't high as in Türkiye but everywhere syrians opened their homes for them and shared everything regardless if their stay is temporary or not😅

[desert nebula]

Yeah I realized today you have different opinions on many things

[thorny steeple]

ottoman army contained a lot of other nationals. you know janniserries right, they're so popular. they're not native turkish or not even native muslim. very young children gathered from places that's occupied by ottoman which christians and such live are have the chance to be a jannissary or a ottoman noblesman (i dont remember the right name) if yhey're smart enough

[desert nebula]

Arabs fought among themselves too. Maybe all of us carry same word but we became very separate.

[thorny steeple]

the gathered young children are given to muslim, turkish families to be raised like this

[torn bridge]

Did it last 13 years.... Didn't u read what I wrote we also helped u know I also have feelings but... Until it's exploited and caused to negativity

[torn bridge]

Sipahi, Tımarlı sipahi

[desert nebula]

Yeah someone mentioned them above as a "crime"

[torn bridge]

He's 🧠 less... Instead of killing this children as son of b... we took care and accepted them like one of us

[desert nebula]

Aren't they also suffering? You do realized war isn't easy. No one would prefer to live in a camp instead of their warm house. We thought like you it'll be temporary. Most of us left our homes(if it wasn't destroyed) hoping to return to it one day. Now many cities became ruins

[torn bridge]

We didn't say your dad killed our soldier...

[thorny steeple]

people say a genocide happened because that's what other countries authorities say, but they don't even know what turkey was up to when that "genocide" happened. turkey was at it's worst time. republic was not even found i guess. people was fighting to death, almost no supplies for some wars, literally fighting against the best nations out there and yet there's other nationald thag want independence in your land now. what you gonna do now? give them land? of course not. you will deport them. oh! but some people died at the process!! how??? well.. there's not even a country at all and it's at a very big war.. very big. so whay happens? can't feed people, can't protect them, they get ill, oh some officers go mad and beat people!! why the hell!!!

idk if i explained it good enough i just tried to explain lol

[thorny steeple]

tımar system is different

[torn bridge]

I don't refuse your pain I can't but as I told u.... If my country collapse one way or another way I don't have a choice like u ig... I have to maintain this problem... I'm not here to pump rage or dehumanizing ok

[desert nebula]

That's your own perspective but I don't have an opinion on this since I don't know much about it.

[desert nebula]

Dad of whom?

[sly rock]

armenian stuff?

[thorny steeple]

kinda right but as far as they teached us families had the choice to give their children for a better future as a janniserry

[thorny steeple]

yea

[torn bridge]

This children's dad I talk about janniserries

[sly rock]

ottoman empire losing, no supplies, can't properly feed its army, there are records of people starving in Istanbul

Oh no, they didn't properly feed the people they deported ! Genocide!

[desert nebula]

I understand what you said still that doesn't justify killing civilians in the process but to be more fair the blame should be put on other nations too.

[torn bridge]

U explained enough for who want to understand

[thorny steeple]

damn they didn't even had vehicles to transport them, they just walked probably

[thorny steeple]

killing civilians is not intentional tho

that's the case

they had to deport because that was unsafe and people say that armenians even attacked people there but idk how true is that

[thorny steeple]

of course we are the bad ones lool

[sly rock]

they were rebelling/on the verge of it

[torn bridge]

If we didn't deport we couldn't fight against both Greece and Armenia as u know

[desert nebula]

Who told you deporting syrians will fix the problem is lying. It seems it'll happen soon though if Erdoğan stayed and Asad accepted his invite maybe after it you'll realize the problem lies in the government and the people not us.

[torn bridge]

There will east and west front so it will be worst

[thorny steeple]

afaik french don't even allow to search the archives for documents about armenian "genocide" do they

i don't know it might not be france tho

[desert nebula]

Everyone will write history as they like. Only who lived the process knows truly not us.

[torn bridge]

5 million... What do u wanna hear .. let's give them citizenship.. it affects.

[thorny steeple]

we can make a image in our minds by finding reasonable reasons tho

[sly rock]

I always wondered how those families could give their children away to be raised as a Muslim and stuff

[thorny steeple]

that might not be true at all, i have no idea

it doesn't really sound true to me tbh

[desert nebula]

Maybe Turks can't live only with Turks after all.
Regardless that was in the past

[sly rock]

I see the same thing even today, successful/"gifted" children end up going to private schools just to be raised completely away from Turkish culture and Islam.

@thorny steeple tanıdıklarım var, dindar bir aile ama çocukları lgsyi fulledi diye galatasaray lisesine gönderdiler.

[torn bridge]

I guess some of them were pushed to do that because we need soldiers and need to reduce rebellion against us in my perspective...

[sly rock]

so yeah, I think it is definetely true that people gave their children away to Ottoman Empire so that they would be successful and important people

[thorny steeple]

ben de dindar değilim, inanmıyorum da. bir şey diyemem fazla ama sorun şu ki çocukların akıllarıyla oynarlarsa sıkıntı işte

other than that, i can't say nothing

[torn bridge]

Anakronizm?

[desert nebula]

We'll see later how the economy will flourish without us.

[thorny steeple]

it might be that too

[thorny steeple]

whats that

[torn bridge]

Ok if it happens I'll hit u up..

[desert nebula]

InshaAllah

[torn bridge]

Biraz günümüzün mentalitesiyle o dönemi yargılama ya da anlama diyelim

[sly rock]

dediğim şu, çocukları için refah/"başarı" isteyen ve buna dinî ve kültürel değerlerinden çok değer veren aileler hep vardı, hâlâ da var. O zamanlar Osmanlı refah konusunda üstündü ve güçlüydü, günümüzde avrupa öyle. O zamanlar Osmanlı devşiriyordu, şimdi Avrupa devşiriyor.

hepsi de rıza dahilinde.

[thorny steeple]

yeniçeri olayından mı bahsediyorsun? bilmiyorum valla

[thorny steeple]

aynen öyle

[sly rock]

Anakronizm yok bence bu durumda, şimdi de aynı olay ama devşiren/devşirilen yer değiştirdi.

[torn bridge]

Ewt.. hani çocukların aklıyla oynama falan... Ben şimdi asker olsam ya da şöyle diyeyim 70 lerde 80 lerde askeri okula gidene Kemalizm aşılıyorlar kardeşim demek gibi galiba... Bilemedim

[thorny steeple]

please keep it english though..

[torn bridge]

Yeah sure

[sly rock]

yup. we got carried away a bit.

[torn bridge]

But mine is not that sufficient for this topic

[thorny steeple]

heh kinda right

i just want to make a last comment about "genocide"

[sly rock]

f*ck türktelekom btw, drove me crazy today

[torn bridge]

Same for Vodafone

[tulip gazelle]

Theyre brainwashed to believe theres no genocides anyone in Balkans would disagree with anything they said especially regarding janisarries being good

Its nationalist propaganda

[thorny steeple]

i'm sure that people who believe in "genocide" don't even know what was turkey going through that time

[tulip gazelle]

Lol

[thorny steeple]

alright my man..

you know the best

[tulip gazelle]

So greeks genociding turks wasnt genocide either, got it

[thorny steeple]

when did that happen?

[tulip gazelle]

Greco turkish war

Applying your logic here

[torn bridge]

🤔. I guess everyone is genocider then... Isn t there a definition for massacre and genocide differently

[sly rock]

didn't they just slaughter whatever person they came across?

[desert nebula]

I thought you slept🫠
I'd agree they have different views on many things but as I said every country will write their history as the good side. Even in Egypt bad things were neglected

[tulip gazelle]

Just like turks to armenians

[tulip gazelle]

I did and popped in for a moment & saw genocide denial again from Turkey

[torn bridge]

Lol.... Then also Armenian applied genocide us according to your logic

[tulip gazelle]

When did Armenians gneocide Turks? You guys almost wiped out the entire armenian population

[sly rock]

there is a difference. we couldn't feed the armenians so they died (I can say that those civillians were under our control and care, thus in our responsibility, but we were incapable of providing required conditions to transport them safely)

But the greeks just killed directly. One intentional, one not.
in the end nothing really matters, as whatever happens, happens to innocent bystanders and crap, whatever.

[torn bridge]

Lol... Do u suppose we just woke up and started to kill them for no reason

[desert nebula]

Maybe it's a disposition in us. We don't like our country to be mentioned as a criminal
No country was/is innocent

[thorny steeple]

bruh what that does even has to do with that?

[tulip gazelle]

Yes considering you didnt want them to be independent youd rather try to wipe out an entire population of people

[thorny steeple]

they are literally the ones attacking there

[tulip gazelle]

Difference is, in Turkey they deny all wrongdoing for any genocide or warcrime they never take accountability for anything

[thorny steeple]

there's no protecting your nation here, it's just destroying others and claiming it for yourself

[torn bridge]

Ok if someone tries to separate your land let them do and die ok smart guy

[thorny steeple]

im talking abojt greco turkish war, my connection is bad srry

[tulip gazelle]

That wasnt even Turkish majority region to begin with Armenia seperating is like saying Ukraine seperating from Russia was bad

[torn bridge]

I don't refuse we did something wrong but calling it as genocide just trying to make us bad guy that's all... Just u wanna hurt our reputation

[thorny steeple]

thats the thing

[torn bridge]

F... Ridiculous not even same

[tulip gazelle]

If you did something bad you did something bad, you'd rather defend and deny genocide than asmit you did it and blame the people you nearly wiped out

To me that's very gross and indeed bad and makes your reputation look worse than your country just admitting it did a genocide

[torn bridge]

So there's also Kurdish people who live there then there must be 2 state right?

[sly rock]

the problem we are uncomfortable about is the hypocrisy of the west. during each "armenian genocide anniversary", turkey gets crapped on. I haven't really seen the same thing happen to greece.

[tulip gazelle]

If they no longer wanted to be in armenia yes

[torn bridge]

Russians armed them and let them on us Armenian gangs burned villages so u just checked one side and coming here trying to teach us ethics and morality

[thorny steeple]

damn, what you don't understand is genocide is a thing that's intentional, which in this case armenians dying wasn't intentional

[tulip gazelle]

No one in the West knows anything about Turkey or thinks about it unless they meet armenians or learn about the genocide

[sly rock]

again, the problem we are absolutely annoyed about is the hypocrisy of the west.

[tulip gazelle]

Lol

[tulip gazelle]

Yeah, genocide is horrible, regardless how you want to try and spin it or defend it, you did a genocide

[torn bridge]

Power of diaspora that's all

[sly rock]

dude don't you ever see the international statements countries make?

[torn bridge]

They made up story and make them believe in cinema, media ...

[tulip gazelle]

Do you not think it's strange everyone except Turkey recognizes it as a genocide?

[thorny steeple]

damn give it up guys it wonr matter at all

[sly rock]

No.🗿

[sly rock]

I know. but this is fun fr, I can't sleep anyway

[thorny steeple]

they don't even let us search the archives for it lol

[torn bridge]

I didn't defend any genocide u just like tagging people... That's all even though Armenian killed innocent people u never tend to listen to that..

[tulip gazelle]

That's a bit crazy bro

[tulip gazelle]

You almost wiped out the entirety of Armenians, almost took out an entire group of people, i'm not sure you understand that

[torn bridge]

2 billions people believe in religion then it's true ok so reasonable as Much as u

[sly rock]

I ain't thinking that it is strange, when I keep in mind attitude of other countries (mostly west) when it comes to international relationships with turkey, not only about this.

[sly rock]

I believe you should have pointed out the fact that you are talking about Islam, with the word "religion".

[torn bridge]

If I would do it entirely there wouldn't be millions of Armenian in diaspora keep repeating

[tulip gazelle]

So because other countries hurt Turkey feeling now no crimes Turkey does is applicable? Good to know how Turkish people view other people 👍

[tulip gazelle]

Lol great logic, i guess you forget the armenians you couldnt genocide were safe only because they were inside russia at the time

[sly rock]

I am saying that other parties love bullcrapping, thus it isn't strange that they are making one-sided statements.

[torn bridge]

Doesn't matter Islam Christianity he just point number of recognition the pseudo genocide

[tulip gazelle]

Yeah....everyone is against turkey because turkey does no wrong, still messed up thinking and genocide denial

[torn bridge]

Lol 😂😂😂 we let them go you liar..

Did Russia put them into ships

[sly rock]

Gotta love how you don't differentiate in-between intentional murder of people and armenians dying due to illnesses/starvation

[tulip gazelle]

After killing 90% of armenians in Turkey? How kind of you

[torn bridge]

Wow... Good to make up numbers

[tulip gazelle]

Lol

[sly rock]

ottoman empire couldn't provide healthy conditions for the transportation as it was actively getting g4ngbanged by other countries

[tulip gazelle]

Cool genocide denial, doesnt change the fact you tried to wipe out the armenians

[torn bridge]

Konuyu açtın nereye kaçtın 🐸... Bnm mesai bitti

[sly rock]

yeah we wanted them off the land we had control on, as they were causing problems.

we didn't really try to wipe them off the face of earth

[tulip gazelle]

So you dont even deny it amazing double think

[sly rock]

thus they were TRANSPORTED. not shot or stabbed or gassed, lmao

[tulip gazelle]

Just like the natives in trail of tears

[sly rock]

(transported rather unsuccessfully)

[tulip gazelle]

Well, i can see my croatian friends werent wrong about turkish people denying genocides

[sly rock]

you don't need your friends to tell you that, all you need to do is be online at international forums/stuff like that to see that lmao

I am not denying the death or anything, just saying that it is being taken out of context.

[tulip gazelle]

I'm not mad, just disappointed

[sly rock]

I am not mad, nor disappointed, I guess. I know that I won't change your mind, now will you. Just practicing english here

not hating you or armenians or anyone in that context

I am just annoyed by the hypocrisy overall.

[thorny steeple]

uyumam lazım yarın ırmağa gideceğim

[sly rock]

zıbar yat kurbişçiğim, Tengri Teâlâ rahatlık vere.

smells like a scam tbh

[thorny steeple]

can't even mention mods

[rose eagle]

I guess 80% he live in south asia

[feral river]

Do you guys eat dogs in Vietnam ?

I just ate a dog hot pot and it’s so damn delicious

[sly rock]

nah they eat american soldiers

or at least they used to idk

[feral river]

Lmao then we eat them too during the Korean War

[sly rock]

how are things going over there?

your profile says that you are from china

[feral river]

Yeah I’m a native Chinese I live in China

Everything is just nice

But not perfect

[sly rock]

nowhere is perfect, but some places are further away from perfect lmao

[feral river]

Well yeah but I prefer to live in some mega rich cities

In developed countries like US, Canada

[sly rock]

many people do so

[feral river]

And in China just not bad but not so rich than Americans

[sly rock]

china got quite the economy fr

but how much does the common folk benefit from it?

[torn bridge]

Gn

[rose eagle]

Yes

[rose eagle]

No in vietnam war we eat american dog meat

[sly rock]

and making canoes out of jettisoned fuel tanks lmao

[rose eagle]

Yea and we make pot with b52 plane aluminium

[thorny steeple]

Hey i'm 30, i'm french fluent and i'm learning english,send me a msg if you wana improve our communication skills together.

[wintry oxide]

@feral river @feral river @feral river @feral river @feral river @feral river @feral river @feral river

[night cedar]

wat is this

[still mango]

Teach me kong fu girl

[rose eagle]

Kung fu panda🗣️🗣️🗣️ mailemo ku ku ku kuk kak ka🗣🗣🗣

[dapper laurel]

The eternal friendship between the bootlickers of Israel 🇮🇳🇹🇷🇮🇱

LOL, the UK prime minister resigns, now Indians can't joke about the British anymore

[pastel epoch]

Lol... right me being an Indian

[dapper laurel]

It's ironic that an Indian is part of the conservative party

I mean, the Labor Party would have been ideal for him

[thorn lagoon]

Israel helped India in the Pakistan-Indian war

[manic juniper]

Don't forget Morocco

[dapper laurel]

And you shouldn't feel indebted, they only did it to increase their influence in India, in fact now most Indians support Israel now

[dapper laurel]

The extended friendship would be this 🇮🇳🇹🇷🇮🇱🇲🇦🇦🇿🇺🇦

Only Ukraine is justified in this

[manic juniper]

Tbh Ukraine was closer to Israel because many Jews were Ukrainians, but nowadays they don't have many ties anymore

[dapper laurel]

I discovered something absurd, Italy doesn't recognize Islam

[manic juniper]

Israel didn't do anything to help Ukraine in the current war so the relationship is strained

[thorn lagoon]

That's just geo-politics .
Nobody is lending help just for the sake of help but for influence and values in return

[manic juniper]

If it's what I think then it's just like Greece, Greece recognises its ancient religion and neopagan movements but not Islam

[dapper laurel]

You have been manipulated, I hope the Indian leadership manages to emancipate itself with time

[dapper laurel]

The Muslim community here is not recognized, it's as if they don't exist

[manic juniper]

Greece has "recognised religions" it includes Catholicism despite them being Orthodox majority, but Islam isn't there

[thorn lagoon]

How ?

Iam just being real here

[dapper laurel]

It was a "you" intended to Indians

Many Indians don't even know where that spit of Israeli land is, but they support it

[manic juniper]

https://wildhunt.org/2017/04/greek-paganism-legally-recognized-as-known-religion-in-greece.html

Why doesn't Italy do the same with its own

[dapper laurel]

We also recognize such religions, but except Islam

[dapper laurel]

Here many are not close to paganism, we are either Catholics or we are atheists, minimally deists

I also know some Mormons

[manic juniper]

Oh no that disease eventually landed in Europe

[dapper laurel]

As a Catholic I don't consider it as a disease, they just exist, we can't do anything

[manic juniper]

As an atheist I think it's a stain on Christianity that I wouldn't even consider as part of it, and their teachings are disgusting

[thorn lagoon]

Don't generalize

[thorn lagoon]

I want the Eleusenian mysteries to be back

[thorn lagoon]

I like Joseph Smith

He restored Christianity from the great apostasy

[dapper laurel]

Rial

[marsh robin]

Moron..

[frigid radish]

hi guys , how are you today

[thorny steeple]

Serious-chat

[feral river]

What is Islam

[uncut mist]

Religion.

Oh damn I didn't read previous chat sorry mb

[static pivot]

You've admitted trolling.

Which is against the rules.

Very well.

[stark arch]

Is italian difficult to learn?

[manic juniper]

Not much

[stark arch]

I need to learn some foreign language, have a choice between albanian, portuguese and italian.
I like how italian sounds, maybe should learn this one😁

[manic juniper]

If you want to pick the easiest definitely avoid Albanian, it's beautiful but unfriendly to beginners

[timber apex]

hiiii

anyone else here

[stark arch]

Yeah, actually i do want something easier, because i know russian, english and arabic, but albanian sounds too different from those, not sure if i am ready to risk learning it)
Guess i will choose italian

[timber apex]

nice indea

[feral river]

what? 😂 lmao

I’m a little bit confused

I won’t do that again if troll is prohibited I’m sorry for that

[thorn lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/thugging-for-ali-ali-madad-ya-ali-madad-ya-ali-oddstania-gif-26731293

[cold crag]

Even in discord really

[cold crag]

Where we should go we hates you people

[thorn lagoon]

iam not a muslim, idiot

[versed rain]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C89Q6xCNb-b/
Don't fight, get into sexuality. Anyway, the Turks will look at it.

Syrian proverb

deryayldz_mka

Likes

10076

Instagram

[thorn lagoon]

what do you mean " you people " ? lol

[thorn lagoon]

You hate muslim ?

fine, go on

[cold crag]

Wtf so why you posted this pc

[thorn lagoon]

I cant post this ?

which rule dictates that i cant post this ?

[cold crag]

Nvm sorry idiot

[versed rain]

What do u currently chatters think about this post?

[thorn lagoon]

bye idiot

[versed rain]

@thorn lagoon what do u think about this post?

[thorn lagoon]

which post ?

[versed rain]

.

[thorn lagoon]

Thats in turkish or some foriegn language

what is it saying ?

[versed rain]

there is translate

[thorn lagoon]

what does that mean ?

[feral river]

Why is Islam so damn green

I just curious

[thorn lagoon]

its shia islam

[versed rain]

Don't fight, get into sexuality. Anyway, the Turks will look at it.

Syrian proverb

[thorn lagoon]

I dont know what that means

get into sexuality?

[versed rain]

Syrians have been refugees in our country for 14 years and their population is more than 10 million. They breed very quickly. They fled during their civil war and came to Turkey, they did not fight. In other words, it says that no matter how many child you make, Turkey will take care of all of them.

[thorn lagoon]

Take care as in expulsion ?

or genocide ?

or assimilation ?

[versed rain]

Let them not assimilate. Let them all go to their countries.

[thorn lagoon]

so get into sexuality means breeding

[thorn lagoon]

so , expulsion

arent they muslims ?

[versed rain]

They are

[late obsidian]

most of them don't act like one

[thorn lagoon]

which sect ?

similar with the turks ?

[versed rain]

I don't know, and I don't care.

[thorn lagoon]

Turks are also muslim

[versed rain]

We don't like Arab culture, it is incompatible with us. It's just that our religions are the same.

[thorn lagoon]

I see

[thorn lagoon]

Interesting

[versed rain]

Most Turks don't like Arabs.

[late obsidian]

not every Turk is Muslim

[thorn lagoon]

I saw a turk saying arab are inferior mentally

[versed rain]

And muslim turks are not arab.

[thorn lagoon]

he said arabs have larger amygdala

[late obsidian]

yes.

[thorn lagoon]

Majority are

how about the turks return to tengrism ?

[versed rain]

We don't like the Arab world right now because of their desire for executions, religious war, harassment and sharia.

[thorn lagoon]

They have larger amygdala thats why

[versed rain]

70 percent of turkish people are muslim. Last percents are Atheist, Deist, Christian, Jew etc

[late obsidian]

well since Islam is in here for a very long time it started to be a part of our culture, most of Turks born as Muslim yeah but today they don't live like Muslims. at least not the majority

[versed rain]

amygdala?

[versed rain]

We don't behave like Middle Eastern Muslims, not like Muslims.

[thorn lagoon]

Amygdala is a small, almond-shaped structure inside of your brain. It's part of a larger network in your brain called the limbic system. The main job of the amygdala is to regulate emotions, such as fear and aggression. The amygdala is also involved in tying emotional meaning to our memories, reward processing, and decision-makin

[thorn lagoon]

The main job of the amygdala is to regulate emotions, such as fear and aggression.

[versed rain]

I don't know, we don't have such superstitions.

[thorny steeple]

i love how this chat had only ever argued over things related to race, ethnicity, religion, sexuality 😭

[thorn lagoon]

It is science not superstitions

[late obsidian]

it's similar to Islam, that was one of the reasons why Turks started to convert to Islam in the first place

[thorn lagoon]

How is it similar ?

and, are you a turk ?

[late obsidian]

like, they both claim that there's only one God

[late obsidian]

yes

half Georgian but live as a Turk

[thorn lagoon]

According to many academics, Tengrism was, and to some extent still is, a predominantly polytheistic religion based on the shamanistic concept of animism, and was first influenced by monotheism during the imperial period, especially by the 12th–13th centuries.

polytheistic religion

[late obsidian]

hmm

i might memorize wrong

but we learned that they had some similarities

[thorn lagoon]

They do believe in a sky god or something

i dont know much about it either

[versed rain]

Yep

[thorn lagoon]

Tengrism is centered on the worship of the Tengri (gods) and the sky deity Tengri (Heaven, God of Heaven). This is similar to Taoism and Tengri is often linked to the Chinese Tian. Kök Tengri (Blue Sky) is the sky deity and often considered as the highest god. It is known as Tangara to the Yakut.

[late obsidian]

i like searching about Ottoman Empire so i don't have that much knowledge abt early Turks

[versed rain]

Thats right, turks believed in tengrism, shamanism

[thorn lagoon]

So, it is henotheism

henotheism doesnt reject many gods( polytheism) but consider one god as the highest

[versed rain]

idk

[thorn lagoon]

while , monotheism rejects other gods as false/demonic

thats the essential difference

[versed rain]

btw are u near to turkey?

[thorn lagoon]

Nah

[versed rain]

europe or asia?

[thorn lagoon]

did mongols have any roles in the formation of the ottoman empire ?

[late obsidian]

do you know about different beliefs so much?

[versed rain]

because normally western fronts people think it doesnt matter this much

[thorn lagoon]

Asia

[late obsidian]

well yeah

[thorn lagoon]

I know some

[versed rain]

How do u define turkey?

[thorn lagoon]

Asian or middle eastern

i know some turks like the european identity

[late obsidian]

Mongols started to overpower Seljuks, there were a Sultan but the government wasn't independent completely in the East, meanwhile in the West Turkomans started to attack Byzantium. basically they affected each other and for being able to independent completely they established Ottoman

[thorn lagoon]

turkey as a country ?

[versed rain]

yep

[late obsidian]

it was around 13th century if i don't remember wrong

[late obsidian]

it's an interesting topic

[versed rain]

dont define turkey as middle eastern because Mesopotamia and south part to be identified as middle eastern. Turkey is anatolian and Thracian.

[thorn lagoon]

Seljuks were oghuz turks , right ?

There are many turkic tribes

its interesting

[thorn lagoon]

Then asia minor is the correct term ?

[late obsidian]

yep

[late obsidian]

yeah that's right

[thorn lagoon]

Are the languages similar ?

[versed rain]

80 percent of Turkey is in Asia. But the region is Anatolia.

U can define eurasian.

[late obsidian]

today there's several Turk republics and some of them similar while some of them assimilated

[thorn lagoon]

I heard they paid tributes and were vassals to the mongols ( the seljuks )

[versed rain]

Actually, I wouldn't want to say it, but we have almost no blood similarities with the Turks in Central Asia.

[thorn lagoon]

Really ?

[versed rain]

Mostly

[thorn lagoon]

Central asian turks are mixed

[late obsidian]

yeah in the end of the Seljuk Empire the situation was like this.

[versed rain]

Central asian turks are mixed with russian blood and turkish turks already came to turkey for a lot of century. And we have mixed with other anatolian-balkan nations.

[thorn lagoon]

I wont say "absolute no blood similarites " tho

[thorn lagoon]

Central asian turks have some east asian ancestry/mixed

[versed rain]

We already have blood ties, but they are really few.

[thorn lagoon]

mostly due to the mongol invasion i guess

[late obsidian]

that's also another reason why Ottoman Empire established, Turks are independent so they can't keep Turks in captivity for so long. at least throughout the history that was the status

[versed rain]

The Turks in Turkey have nothing to do with the Mongols.

[thorn lagoon]

I was talking about central asian turks

[thorn lagoon]

.

[versed rain]

u are right

Do u watch euro24?

[thorn lagoon]

I see. They have self determinancy

[thorn lagoon]

I watched some portions of yesterday's match

[versed rain]

Even if you watch it, if you at least compare the faces of the Turkish players with those in Central Asia, you will see that we look more like Europeans than them.

[thorn lagoon]

Germnay lost

[late obsidian]

it's also the same in the establishment of Turkey, they captivated the Ottoman so establishing a new government needed

[versed rain]

We are happy for it

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah ,because central asian turks are mixed lol

[versed rain]

Germany fined a Turkish player for 2 games for making a Turkish sign.

[thorn lagoon]

some of them have mo*goloid facial features

[late obsidian]

do you think it was a right thing to do

[thorn lagoon]

why ?

[versed rain]

If u look at last post of Uefa official u can see a lot of turkish comment for this reaction.

[thorn lagoon]

Mesut Ozil was a good player

[versed rain]

Demiral made the sign of the wolf and this is the mythological symbol of the Turks, but Germany counted it as a political symbol.

[versed rain]

No

[late obsidian]

some of European countries claim the wolf as terro*st symbol tho idk why

[versed rain]

Because they love the terrorists in Syria, but they are hostile to their Turkish identity.

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, you stole their women

[versed rain]

?

[late obsidian]

understood

[versed rain]

We also know of Greek, French and Italian soldiers who raped Turkish people in Anatolia.

[thorn lagoon]

Dude lmao

[dapper laurel]

During the ottoman era you stole their women and brought them to turkey

[dapper laurel]

Rial rial

[versed rain]

There is a lot of good biased teaching in your schools.

[thorn lagoon]

Its riyal not rial

[thorn lagoon]

Hes talking about central asian turks tho

[versed rain]

I'm not going to talk to a racist, hateful person who loves nationalism and all the scum of his own nationality.

[dapper laurel]

There are a lot of people with Albanian origins in Türkiye because of this

[dapper laurel]

I responded to a message in which he talked about the Turks in Anatolia

[versed rain]

Yes, the turks f___ed all the women they saw, okay? Are you happy?

[dapper laurel]

Yes, I'm happy now, at least you admitted it

[versed rain]

Yes, Turks are a very barbaric, ungrateful, dishonorable and ignorant people. Go and put henna on one place.

[late obsidian]

why you hurt that much

[thorn lagoon]

💀

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[dapper laurel]

Today I want to create drama

[versed rain]

@dapper laurel I'm not going to talk to a sided sc__rel like you.

[dapper laurel]

It doesn't change my life

[versed rain]

It won't change mine either. We know that you are the real barbarian, ignorant and biased.

[versed rain]

We are not the children of a colonialist v__e nation like you.

[dapper laurel]

You can't call me a barbarian when it was Europeans who created most of human achievement between 1800 and 1900

[versed rain]

At that time, I was not the one selling land from heaven. Go and tell your own ignorant people about it.

[dapper laurel]

What are you babbling about lol

[dapper laurel]

It doesn't offend me in the slightest

[versed rain]

I am not the child of the people who sold land and received money from heaven, declared war on science, took over their country from ignorant religious people and supported the oppression of the Catholic church.

[dapper laurel]

The Ottomans also colonized the Middle Eastern countries, you don't know the history of your country lol

[late obsidian]

it's not always a human achievement when you just produce something yk

[versed rain]

But when the time comes, if a Turk did these things, they would be the worst nation, right?

[thorn lagoon]

what about the centuries prior that and centuries into the future ?

[dapper laurel]

Idc

[thorn lagoon]

You dont care because it goes against euro centrism and supremacy

[late obsidian]

explain the colonization

[versed rain]

Then all states are colonialists.

[dapper laurel]

We wanted more materials and so we bought land in Africa from the native populations

[late obsidian]

bought? lmao.

[versed rain]

Colonialism is what all states except the central European states do.

[dapper laurel]

Yep, this happened many times

[thorn lagoon]

Its an invasion dude lol

[versed rain]

North Africa fought with the Ottomans to prevent land from being given to vile nations like you.

[dapper laurel]

Europeans are thought to be the bad colonizers, but we didn't always colonize by force

[versed rain]

duck it

[thorn lagoon]

Africa and America was invaded and colonized by the europeans

also through barbaric means

[versed rain]

yes

[dapper laurel]

This apparently didn't help

[late obsidian]

is "buying" the new term of colonialism? it's no longer "to bring civilization"

[versed rain]

Yes, alas, they succumbed to scoundrels like you.

[thorn lagoon]

You arent any different from the other groups and as barbaric as them but only you play mental gymnastics to justify it around and claim moral supriority

[dapper laurel]

Yes, maybe we didn't always behave well, but then we decolonized everything, how many would have done this? How many would have given up their power?

[late obsidian]

oh they must be grateful for this🤠

[versed rain]

Because at that time it was you who accused the Ottomans of barbarism. If you didn't, you would be the real barbarian.

[dapper laurel]

You don't bother me

[versed rain]

For a depraved, ungrateful, and dishonorable person is shameless.

[late obsidian]

i can't stand anymore to this nonsense, @versed rain @thorn lagoon it was a nice chat we had, have a good day🕺🏻

[dapper laurel]

Idc

[versed rain]

It was bad to talk to a vile and white European racist and fascist.

[dapper laurel]

Now I'm fascist too?🤣

[versed rain]

Everyone knows that you are the real despicable and colonizer. You are barbarians, and we did not have the problems that preceded the reform. Now go and cry.

[dapper laurel]

Ok idc

Why should I cry then? 🤣🤣

[thorn lagoon]

Good day to you too

[versed rain]

No one will deal with you because you are dishonest people who do every bad thing to yourself and see nothing wrong with yourself.

[dapper laurel]

Remember that you denied the Armenian Genocide several times, so don't call me a fascist when you do these things

[dapper laurel]

The Turks tried several times lol

[versed rain]

We did not commit the massacres of America, Africa, Australia and most importantly the Nazis. Now he has only one trump card in his hand, the Armenian genocide. That won't give you a chance.

Now dance with lgbt people.

[dapper laurel]

At least I don't deny these things

[versed rain]

I don't care about you.

[dapper laurel]

Here LGBT is not recognized

[versed rain]

So u live in italy. That is not a problem. Already u are german. U can dance with german lgbt people.

[dapper laurel]

So do you also discriminate against LGBT people?

[versed rain]

Because there can't be a person who is so self-trampled.

[versed rain]

I respect their rights, but I don't support them.

[dapper laurel]

I'm taking screenshots

[versed rain]

What is the problem?

[dapper laurel]

Maybe I'll have a laugh, maybe I'll watch them again and have a laugh

[thorn lagoon]

Many christians also dont support the lgbtq

expecially the catholics

[versed rain]

There cannot be such an immoral Christian.

This is disrespectful to Christianity.

[dapper laurel]

If you tell me I shouldn't generalize about Indians, then you shouldn't generalize about Christians

[versed rain]

Oh, another racist rhetoric.

[dapper laurel]

You are racist towards Arabs and Armenians

[thorn lagoon]

Well , what I said is true tho .Transgenderism and homosexuality go against central catholic tenets

[versed rain]

@dapper laurel I think nobody didnt support u today. I am sorry for u. Already ur countries hate arabs.

[dapper laurel]

True, but modern Christians respect them

[thorn lagoon]

Unless there is some reformism in the catholic church ( i dont think there will be ) , i will have this opinion

[dapper laurel]

Idc btw

[versed rain]

That's right, I forgot that u was dishonored

[dapper laurel]

You're trying in every way to make me angry, you won't succeed

[thorn lagoon]

Some are more polite about it and some arent

[versed rain]

And you're always initiating it.

[thorn lagoon]

I think majority of catholics are against it tho

There is no controversy in saying this

Iam not even criticising but you are already on defensive mode

why ?

[versed rain]

It was nice to take down a fascist ultra-white European today.

@thorn lagoon See u bro

[civic reef]

thats just racist lol

[thorn lagoon]

See you again , good day

[civic reef]

pour out your anti-white phobia elsewhere

[versed rain]

This is not racism. It's meant to tease. If you go through the rest of the conversation, you'll see who's racist.

Angry message against the racist, get it?

Good afternoon to everyone except racists and fascists.

[tardy gulch]

aw :c

[thorn lagoon]

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/11/02/how-catholics-around-the-world-see-same-sex-marriage-homosexuality/

Perhaps Iam wrong

[proper chasm]

hiiii

[cinder quartz]

any arab here?

[random oracle]

me

[cinder quartz]

what is hijar?

[random oracle]

stone

[cinder quartz]

thx

@random oracle Its says Syria Stone?

[random oracle]

uh no that would be a name

if in that context

[cinder quartz]

This is map

1785

[random oracle]

1 sec

[random oracle]

hijaar is stone so this could be a name for sryia

or even a name of a place in sryia

other than that i have no info about this

[cinder quartz]

np

im just wondering

[dapper laurel]

I just say facts, but if you want, I can be friendlier

[desert nebula]

I haven't heard of this city but there's many places named after stones in Syria. Since it's located between Hama(hamath which means castle/fort in aramaic) and homs that has a nickname of the mother of the black stones maybe that's a reason.

[desert nebula]

Hama was famous for the monumental blocks. Still not sure of the location of this hijar

[cinder quartz]

why are there 4 Palestines?

Map from 1745

[hot bison]

You know the language? Perhabs it's Portuguese?

[cinder quartz]

French

[desert nebula]

I don't know actually but if this map was during the Roman empire they renamed the area to Syria Palestina. Look above there's Syria salutaris and below Palestina salutaris 🙃i think that's how they referred to provinces in each area. Still it's just a guess

[desert nebula]

Lol

[sage dock]

typiing for so long
I thought u were cooking 😒

[desert nebula]

I was thinking while typing

[cinder quartz]

Salutaris from word salut (hello) ig

[desert nebula]

What did you think I'm typing?

[desert nebula]

Oh French lol🫠

But the French mandate on Syria wasn't that early

[cinder quartz]

Its French map by French geographer

[cinder quartz]

but not in 1745

[desert nebula]

Yes I think it's because of the French geographer

[cinder quartz]

so

what abt 4 Palestinas

[dapper laurel]

Maybe just the territorial subdivision

[cinder quartz]

By the way, I have many maps of this territory

[dapper laurel]

Like when the Romans divided Gaul into Gaul narbonensis and Gaul transalpine

[cinder quartz]

Yea i kn abt Galia

[desert nebula]

It seems they divided it

Under the byzantines(romans)

[dapper laurel]

Palestine at the time was a fairly large territory, I believe it also included Sinai

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one sec

Like that?

Its Italian map

1669

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Right! I am still amazed at the accuracy of these maps

You should check the Roman ones

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The countries back in that time isn't not like now🙃Syria too was called the great Syria now it's only a small area....
They weren't countries too. Most countries was declared as a country recently. Even the same country in the past there was several different kingdoms

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The red sea was different too

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not so accuracy cause its from 17 century

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there were no satellites back then to make accurate maps

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There's Babylon in Egypt too wow

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This is a roman one

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They also managed to map Denmark

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They tried

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Just, wow

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Consider that they didn't have our means, they mapped the land by boat, so it's quite accurate for the time

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ikn

wanna see more maps of Holy Land?

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Yeah

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1595

from Amsterdam

Iudea

hm

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https://www.alamy.com/a-map-and-chart-of-arabia-the-red-sea-persian-gulf-child-1745-old-image381603672.html
In this website it's more clear. I think bc in the other one it's just focused on a certain area

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https://tenor.com/view/history-history-time-griffin-johnson-armchair-historian-gif-24511461

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Yes

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cause its 1745

80 years later

@dapper laurelre u here?

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Oh yep

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I'm back

How do you get all these maps?

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oh cool, maps

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next one from Belgium 1595

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internet

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post more

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