🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

yeah but not only you still need to influence them

once the influence is over 80% you can directly puppet them without effort

and suppress them by sending guns, building stuff in their state, or other ways like decisions or focuses

[dapper laurel]

How can I increase influence?

[feral river]

right click the state you will see a panel that you can influence the target state

[thorny steeple]

Seriously, Guys, Why did churches refuse in the past philosophy?

[feral river]

because they pissed them off

that was a easy question

[thorny steeple]

But philosophy tries to find the truth about everything physical and metaphysical

[dapper laurel]

Yes, that's how it went, even with Galileo Galilei

[feral river]

that's how they destroyed churches

religion doesn't allow questions

but the core of philosophy is questions

[thorny steeple]

Because they revealed that the churches are false?

[feral river]

yep

[thorny steeple]

If churches are considered a holy place for Christians, then Christianity is a false religion

[dapper laurel]

I don't know if they ever succeeded, but many of their ideas conflicted with the church because they started from different assumptions

[thorny steeple]

And all their assumptions match the truth

[feral river]

well you can say they are false by the logic of philosophy

but the Christian will use another philosophy to prove they are not false

[thorny steeple]

Philosophy is defined as finding the truth So, that's real

[thorny steeple]

what kind of philosophy, They rejected it in the past. Anyone who previously practiced philosophy was killed

[dapper laurel]

What is the truth for you?

[thorny steeple]

The truth for me is what philosophy says

[dapper laurel]

What if the truth for me is what the bible says?

So we are assuming that truth is a subjective metric

So there is no absolute truth

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_theology

[dense locust]

But there is a strong truth than another one so you have to be honest with yourself

[feral river]

there is if I put a gun on your head

that's where the truth comes from

[thorny steeple]

This is your choice To search for the truth

[dapper laurel]

CCP certified method 👍🏻

[thorny steeple]

Let's put theology aside. If we get into theology, the topic will develop, as I will write an article for you that will make you abandon your religion. Let's go to the simplest example, which is the bible

[dapper laurel]

However, I would be ready to become a martyr

[feral river]

that was the truth!

isn't it

(put a gun on your head)

[thorny steeple]

.The Bible has so many versions that it loses its identity
There are many conflicts about who Jesus is in the Bible
Is he a message from God?
or the Son of God

[feral river]

well that's pointless to do that at least for me

[thorny steeple]

well Do you believe in the idea of ​​the Trinity?

[feral river]

what was that

[thorny steeple]

God the Son, God the Father, the Holy Spirit

aren't u Christian?

@feral river

[worn bolt]

👀

[thorny steeple]

@lime jolt im waiting...

[versed rain]

Hello,

I want to ask a question

https://youtu.be/Mj2st8yypvg?si=v1Ec_hyJ3rAUNkQe How does this background music make you feel?

What does it remind you of?

[versed rain]

Any respond?

[cold crag]

About what?

[wintry oxide]

Ayo bro!!! Becuz of u, I saw what i wasnt suppose to see in my entire life!

[thorn lagoon]

All the four gospels have conflicting accounts/contradictions

[thorny steeple]

Exactly

[worn bolt]

[thorny steeple]

im from Armenia and i supported Palestine 🇵🇸🇦🇲

[pallid owl]

same here

the youtube adds made me switch sides

[sonic lion]

politics as a fandom

[thorny steeple]

men im dont like seeing of rich peoples (israeli) killed poor people (palestinien) it is sadly seeing this......

it is unfairly fighting.....

freed Palestine pls🇵🇸

[pallid owl]

so you support them? aight

well people die

and im being forced to use adblock

[haughty forge]

Typical Bangla crime investigation documentary bgm.

[feral river]

I'm not a Christian

[feral river]

I don't like seeing of bunch of people mislead by terrorist organization keep fighting against another regional power no matter what

they really lose a lot from this war, they should know they can't win and accept the fact of the existence of Israel to avoid more casualties.

[hot bison]

Free your Grammer.....pls😂😂

[marsh robin]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-you-drop-this-no-brain-rdbtc-stupid-gif-2904241459179304722

[unique light]

Why supported? 😂 I wouldn't be surprised if you support the invasion of Ukraine as well.

[unique light]

So invading Israel is acceptable, but when Israel defends itself and prevails... Everyone focuses on Palestine! Oppose Israel! They're protecting their country! They shouldn't do that!

Hamas shouldn't have invaded Israel, and the only ones responsible for the bombings in Gaza are Hamas, they're the only reason. If it weren't for their actions, Israel wouldn't be responding this way.

I genuinely don't support Gaza bombings, but there's no way back. Hamas did a mistake and now they're paying for it.

Nobody in their right mind would never invade a country that has nukes, a strong army and the ability to defend themselves.

Except for Hamas.

[whole beacon]

Get a grasp of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.
U seem to be watching the last season only

Peacful?
Where?
When?

[unique light]

The problem is, Israel had many air strikes before October 7th... Did they bomb themselves?

[whole beacon]

Lmao
U guys baffle me with ur logic.
Hamas has never been the problem
Its the symptom of the problem.

Stop getting ur info from media news, and indulge in history.
U will find it surprising

[unique light]

I'll tell you a secret, media mainly stands with Palestine...

[whole beacon]

Right!

[unique light]

Uninformed readers wouldn't acknowledge that this media supports Israel, which defends itself against perceived threats.

You must be supporting Russia as well, if you support Palestine.

[whole beacon]

U seem quite the liberal folks. U don't know nothing about the prior history of the conflict.
All u care about is 7 October

[whole beacon]

I see the russia offensive quite justified. I don't stand with it.

[unique light]

Russia claims that Ukraine doesn't exist, they say it's part of Russia. They claim that it was created by Lenin, which isn't true at all.

[whole beacon]

U sound like piers morgan lol

[feral river]

Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republics ?

[unique light]

The underlying narrative is quite similar. Palestinians believe that Israel, established in 1948, should not exist and that it is part of Palestine. Similarly, Russia claims that Ukraine does not exist as a separate country, asserting that it is historically Russian territory.

[whole beacon]

Study some history.
Just like u

Why is turkey in there.

[unique light]

It's his country. People of Turkey are proud of their country.

All of them. Quite reasonable why he puts a flag there.

[whole beacon]

Hmm i see

If u guys are willing to vc.
We can adresse this prblm.
If not.
Peace be upon u

[unique light]

One question. In your opinion, why did Hamas invade Israel?

[whole beacon]

U tell me.
Im curious

[dapper laurel]

It seems that erdogan is the bootlicker of Israel

[unique light]

Well, in my opinion there's no reason to invade any country. UN Resolution 3314.

[dapper laurel]

Israel is exterminating a lot of Muslims, isn't turkey a muslim country?

[whole beacon]

These guys are just hilarious fr.

[dapper laurel]

Plus, the situation in Ukraine is completely different from the situation in Israel, Ukraine isn't an oppressor

[whole beacon]

Yeah exactly.
And @unique light here knows nothing about the Palestinian/Israel conflict.

[unique light]

Do you prioritize religion when deciding which side of the conflict to support?

[dapper laurel]

Being Muslim is part of your culture, your art, you even have a Muslim symbol on your flag

[unique light]

🤝

[whole beacon]

Which is true.
But there are other things

[whole beacon]

Glad we agree on that

[dapper laurel]

No, but I check culture affinity, religion is part of this criterion

[unique light]

I guess it's just called a handshake...

[unique light]

If Ukraine were a Muslim country, would your support Russia just based on their Christian identity?

[dapper laurel]

You also share blood with them, I don't understand why you support Israel

[dapper laurel]

I would support them anyway because they are not oppressors, then, as a European I share blood and history with them

[unique light]

So according to your logic, because you're German, you should support what Nazi Germany did?

[dapper laurel]

But Hamas is not Palestine

[unique light]

You share blood with them.

You share culture with them.

[dapper laurel]

That's ideology

[unique light]

So supporting Palestine because you're Turkish is okay, but supporting Nazi Germany because you're German is different. Fair.

[dapper laurel]

Even children?

[whole beacon]

@sharp sable @unique light
U guys are toxically stupid ngl.

[feral river]

they wanted a terrorist organization, indicates they wanted an annexation of Palestinian state

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, pretty, but remember, in Germany being ns is a taboo

[unique light]

A mod saying "stupid"... Hm...

[whole beacon]

Oh yeah nthing wrong with that

Freedom of speech

[dapper laurel]

How do they use children as human shields during bombings?

[whole beacon]

Ur comparing the nazi regime to this like fr.

This is outrageously idiotic

[unique light]

Who said that I'm comparing Nazi Germany to Israel? It was an example for Andosweher, who asked why Mustafa doesn't support Palestine (As they share the same religion, culture etc.).

[dapper laurel]

But if Israel cared about children and civilians, it wouldn't have bombed hospitals and schools, would it? They would have carried out more "surgical" military operations to eliminate terrorists

[whole beacon]

Both of u are too lazy , to dig up some resources and get some viable info.
So u just soaked up enough bullshit from western media.
And u brought here just to sound smart.
If both of u are willing to talk about this in a vc ,
Im more than willing to put some sense in u two

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/kabangu-upset-annoyed-gif-14814728

[unique light]

🥴

[whole beacon]

I told u
Its cringe

[feral river]

the only thing they deserve of making more terror against Israel is destruction by Israeli forces

[whole beacon]

Stick to ataturk plz
Thats enough for u.

[feral river]

they should know they stand no chance against a regional power

[unique light]

Some "real truth"-knower

[thorny steeple]

What Israel It dont even exist

and soon IT will be proved

[whole beacon]

Wat has antisemitism to do with any of this.

Nah uh.
Ur just too naive
Im having fun talking here fr.
However if u come into a vc.
Things might change

[unique light]

Enough Discord for today...

[thorny steeple]

hamas is freedom fighters not terrorist

[whole beacon]

Exactly

[unique light]

😂

Hamas's first goal is to establish Islamic State in Palestine and kill all Jews... LOL

[whole beacon]

Are u guys willing to join a vc?

[unique light]

No

[dapper laurel]

The United States wanted to spread democracy when they invaded Syria, Iraq, created political unrest in Iran, invaded Afghanistan, Vietnam, bombed Serbia, gave military aid to Israel ( Israel isn't even considered a perfect democracy)

[tough matrix]

Hello Musti

[whole beacon]

Okay.
I have an ak47. Imma call isis on u

[unique light]

So you're pretty much okay with mass executions of those, who're traitors to Islam, but you stand for humanity...

That's what ISIS does

Why am I Islamophobic?

[whole beacon]

Bears are terrorists as well

[unique light]

That's a serious accusation, but what's the evidence behind it?

[dapper laurel]

Nobody talks about Israeli settlers in Palestine

[unique light]

As well as you, a terrorist supporter.

[feral river]

well that was just an excuse to expand their interest over the middle east

and it was successful

[dapper laurel]

The truth is that perfect democracy does not exist and never will

[unique light]

I usually drink coffee and play some games, sometimes I have to code a bit. I'm not getting into conflicts with any countries...

[feral river]

no our democracy is the best democracy

(put a gun on your head)

we have the best democracy ever

[thorny steeple]

then you should not exist

[unique light]

ISIS fan here and is to prove that being Muslim = support anyone, who's Muslim as well, no matter what they're doing

Do you support 9/11 attack?

[dapper laurel]

Isn't Turkey from the Middle East? You share culture with arabs

[feral river]

🇮🇱 🇨🇳 🇺🇸 🇷🇺 🇬🇧 🇫🇷

[dapper laurel]

This guy is crazy

[unique light]

Do you support 9/11 attack?

Was it required or inquired?

[dapper laurel]

Turkey is not European culturally, and it will not be a small part of your territory that makes you European, you are Middle Eastern, you are Muslim. Maybe turkey is western, but not european, you are like arabs

[unique light]

He's a peace maker! He stands for humanity, where people are executed for not being Muslim!

[whole beacon]

Uuuh
People throwing worda and labels they do not understand.
The world is just a wonderful place

[whole beacon]

Don't waste time mate fr.

[feral river]

LMAO

see ya in Israel

[thorny steeple]

GOOD FOR YOU

[feral river]

Gaza, Israel

[dapper laurel]

I won't do it again, it's useless.

[thorny steeple]

HOW

[dapper laurel]

You didn't even reply to my message, I usually don't waste time with Turks

No, you simply don't want to think

[thorny steeple]

FROM WHAT?

[whole beacon]

Yep.
Pretty much it.

[dapper laurel]

How? With ethnic cleansing? Is this what you are supporting?

[whole beacon]

@sharp sable
Just tell me u are familiar with the entire history of the Palestinian/Israel conflict?

Wow

[dapper laurel]

Do you even know the whole story? Or does your knowledge stop at the events of the last year?

[whole beacon]

That means u know nothing mate.

Holocaust was a European prblm.

The jews prblm is a European prblm.

[dapper laurel]

As a Christian, you are quite disgusting

[whole beacon]

Study some fuckin history for god sake

[dapper laurel]

Yes, I know about the holocaust and it is not part of my present

[whole beacon]

@sharp sable how old are u?
If i might ask?

[dapper laurel]

But Israel's ethnic cleansing is part of everyone's present

[whole beacon]

How old?

Cuz u seem so naive

[dapper laurel]

12 yo lol

[whole beacon]

Yep

Well bye bye for now guys.

Stop dropping labels plz

[dapper laurel]

You know when Italy occupied Turkey after the First World War, they had every right to do so (according to your reasoning), Turkey was part of the Roman Empire, so it was part of Italian history and territory. This situation is similar to that of the Jews now, but my question is: why if you sent the Italians away with Atatürk, why Arabs can't send the Jews away?

Jews don't deserve to be sent away, but can they exterminate Palestinian civilians?

But according to your reasoning, civilians are Hamas because they voted for it, so Israel wants to exterminate civilians

[versed rain]

@haughty forge Like intelligence service music? Yeah?

There are sides in Turkey that defend both Israel and Palestine.

Are u turkish?

Why are u talking about that?

There are sides who support Israel or support Palestine in turkey

I am turkish and i live in turkey

But majority of turkish people support palestine

The influence of imams in the country

Quite a lot of young people hate it now

Where are u from and who are u?

i support palestine personally

Is Pakistan like afghanistan?

So that is how most European countries know it

Don't use caps

[fierce fox]

interesting chat

[versed rain]

I mean, I know Pakistan as a poor country with ruined, broken and mostly ignorant Muslims.

Don't use caps!

Can't u write normally?

You may recognize it as such, but Turkey makes independent decisions.

[fierce fox]

at the end of the day it all depends on the media you get your informations from

[versed rain]

Yep

Otherwise, it would have supported Israel

[thorny steeple]

BBC CNN

[versed rain]

In our country, CNN is generally run by nationalists

[thorny steeple]

they always just propaganda against Muslims

[fierce fox]

i stopped watching our local media too, they only show you what they want you to see

[thorny steeple]

It has been loooooing time since Muslims put their pov about them in rubbish basket

[versed rain]

Btw Turkey Republic is not islamic country. There is secular administration suh as EU

[fierce fox]

i grew up thinking it was an islamic state again bc of the media, they call erdogan a savior and the opposition a menace for the country, until i had turkish friends who explained everything to me

[thorny steeple]

It's not about religious principles islamic or any other religion cuz even Palestine has Christians they got killed by the Izrealian

[versed rain]

70 percent of turkish people support secularism. Erdogan is a savior for women in headscarf because turkey was banned headscarf at 1990's

[manic juniper]

Developing your country and separating religion from state is the bare minimum

Doesn't have to do with being western

[versed rain]

Fully support

[manic juniper]

You could accuse China and Russia of the same thing but it's just what anyone should expect from their country in 2024 unless it's Vatican City

[versed rain]

Yes

[dapper laurel]

They would like to be a Western puppet, and I don't understand this behaviour

[fierce fox]

actually im from east africa and for over a decade now turkey has straightened their relationships with us making immigration easier so many many people (muslims) went there, a little bit different from syria but its basically the same politics. Spreading propaganda to make the country muslim majority or so

[versed rain]

Why didn't the U.S. give the Patriots when Turkey wanted to protect Syria's borders and strengthen its inadequate defenses? Why was it a problem when Turkey bought the S400 because its relations with Russia were normal after not giving the Patriots? Besides, we want weapons from our ally America and they don't give it, and then when they buy the weapons from Russia, Turkey is to blame, right?

Why does the West stone us when we want to take our relations with the West to even greater heights? Then, when they make a deal with China and Russia, why is Turkey presented as a criminal?

In addition, why are we guilty when Turkey takes away from Russia the face that the westerners do not give, even though it is against Russia and is in the western pact?

[thorny steeple]

And this is why it becomes insecure for the Arabs and Muslims in general

[versed rain]

If it weren't for Turkey, Europe wouldn't have been able to eat wheat last year. All of them, in fact, because of you, thanks to our rapprochement with Russia, you were able to eat properly with the agreements signed.

What will you do if Turkey doesn't give you Russian gas? We say we love Europe, but you and your politicians are stoning us. And Turkey is in the Middle East, I would like you to pay attention to this as well. No country in the Middle East region would be so humane.

[dapper laurel]

We can get it from North African countries, it's not a problem

[versed rain]

Even though you don't support Turkey, it is still trying to be a great alliance with you.

[dapper laurel]

I'm not sure about this

Turkey attempted to destabilize the European Union with Syrian immigrants

[versed rain]

Although Turkey does not receive much support from the West and Russia provides good words to Russia every day, Turkey is hesitant towards Russia and tries to carry out a policy of balance.

[dapper laurel]

This is also the reason why many do not want Turkey in the European Union

[dapper laurel]

Russia is very interested in you, make good use of this

[versed rain]

Erdogan threatens to release Syrians into Europe every time he gets stuck because he does not get support from Europe

In addition, Türkiye carries Europe's Syrian camp.

We do it for europe

[dapper laurel]

He is playing with human lives

Because we won't let them in even as a joke

[versed rain]

Say the same for the bombed camps in Palestine.

[dapper laurel]

I think they need immigrants

[versed rain]

Are u kidding me?

[dapper laurel]

I am not an Israeli

[versed rain]

Most of european country support israel

Say same thing to your politicians

[dapper laurel]

But most Europeans do not support Israel

[versed rain]

Because your country is selfish

[dapper laurel]

This is why we are all voting far right

[versed rain]

so select ur politicians correctly

Turkey that prevents Europe from being filled with refugees, Turkey that prevents terrorists from entering Europe, Europe that supports terrorism, Turkey that is stoned despite this.

[versed rain]

Why do you think the European Union is paying for Turkey for refugees?

Because turkey stops refuugees to transition to europe

[dapper laurel]

We are using the friendly way, we don't want to treat immigrants badly at the border

[versed rain]

That's not the problem. They still see Turkey as an enemy, and I am angry with them.

[dapper laurel]

But if we are forced we do it, as we are doing in Poland

[versed rain]

It means that your country loves to drive others for this reason and then insult these countries.

i know but someone dont know

For some, Turkey even has to clean up all of Europe's excrement.

And they still selfishly and rudely say that you can get closer to Russia ...

What I am doing is not a generalization, but resentment towards the person

[versed rain]

What do you do? Uncover Nazi times?

[feral river]

imagine you guys have a refugee problem... we will never have that

[dapper laurel]

Nah, we just reject illegal immigrants, nothing wrong with that

[versed rain]

Like I said, I'm just mad at Andoshewer, and I'm responding to him. I'm not generalizing.

[feral river]

if there is we will just open fire to expel them

that's People's Liberation Army's job

[dapper laurel]

Well, you're right

[versed rain]

Dude, do you have a problem in mind? Our economy collapsed because of about 10 million Syrians.

Just to protect Europe.

[thorny steeple]

what nazis did was so wrong

[feral river]

then why you guys are not kill them or expel them ?

[thorny steeple]

I am saying to all

[feral river]

why you guys need those people in here ?

[versed rain]

Because of Erdogan

[feral river]

the illegal immigrants

[dapper laurel]

Well, then expel them

[feral river]

we never have that problem ever because we open fire if there is someone want to enter our country illegally

[versed rain]

Erdogan is absent from the next election, and the first party wants to expel them already at the moment.

[thorny steeple]

YK same situation with pakistan many afghanistan refugees came to pakistan and lived here foe 20 years

[versed rain]

The question is not whether to fire or not. There are many Europeans like you, and they all talk selfishly about Turkey.

[dapper laurel]

So good for you, here too we are expelling them

[thorny steeple]

after 9 11

But sometimes we have to help humanity

[feral river]

after 911 our border secured, United States helped us to crack down on Islamic extremists and terrorist regimes.

[dapper laurel]

Yes, Turkey would destabilize the European Union, it's a fact

[feral river]

at that time, China stand with the US against terrorists

[thorny steeple]

why you relate islam with terrorism

[versed rain]

And you still don't understand. stop talking about refugees. You still don't see what Turkey has done for Europe. All you see is dividing Turkey and creating a Kurdistan, providing weapons and money to the terrorists in Syria and Iraq with the United States.

[feral river]

Islamic extremists

I never said Islam is terrorism

[thorny steeple]

can u plz explain islamic terrorism

[versed rain]

I'm not talking about the European Union. I'm talking about whether they like it or not.

[feral river]

Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban, Hamas etc.

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but I don't care, Turkey would destabilize us, and then we don't like Turkey because of the Turkish immigrants here, it may seem absurd to you, but many think so

[thorny steeple]

what about tamil tigers hinduish terrorism

[versed rain]

Then you will understand one day when Turkey rains bombs with Russia in your mouth. Because Russia wants Turkey more than Europe.

[feral river]

what was that what did they do

[versed rain]

You are right about Turkish immigrants. That's what we think.

[thorny steeple]

search all then what about chritian terrorism when they finished jews temple

[dapper laurel]

Yes, just try it and we'll nuke turkey and Russia

[thorny steeple]

and dont forget christianity terrorism what nazis do

[feral river]

3rd time for my solution is just simply open fire will solve the problem efficiently

and your border will be safe, safe forever

[versed rain]

At least we will release the refugees:D Then how do your economies sink?

[dapper laurel]

We could do as @feral river suggested

[feral river]

that's what we do and you see our border is 100% secure

[thorny steeple]

If politly then watch this speech to understand nothing like Islamic terrorism exist there are prople who do terrorism

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/45RGK44smy4?si=X5gWuVA6gsCFnsz7

[feral river]

hummm so ?

what do you want to say

you wanna say oh there is christian terrorism, there is hindu terrorism so there is no islamic terrorism ?

that's bs

actually I didn't heard a lot of events or impacts on our life about what the christians/huidus/jews did something terrible to us

[versed rain]

Look, I don't want to argue. We see all Europeans as friends and we want you to understand some issues. Türkiye stopped the refugees for you and our country's economy collapsed. What we expect from you is this: I wish it hadn't bought it, but Türkiye is good too. But then you say get closer to Russia. Say this: Turkey was forced to cooperate with Russia due to some embargoes of the West. Turkey is actually a good country but it does not know what to do.

[feral river]

I never said Islam encourages terrorism

[versed rain]

Turkey is already conducting operations in Syria.

[feral river]

but the truth is the major terroist organization using the back of Islam

that was the truth

you can see what did I said, I said Islamic extremists not Islamic terrorism

okay ?

[versed rain]

@dapper laurel

[versed rain]

.

[feral river]

well first you guys need to secure your territory in some Kurd places then secure your border

Kurds are top threat of national security of Turkey so solve them is just the best move to promote the national integration.

like Uyhgurs in Xinjiang

can you please see what did you said in here

[late atlas]

Islam is beautiful. But it's extremely aggressive and it doesn't tolerate another religions.

Calm down mate

[versed rain]

Europeans will never understand the value of Turkey.

They think of themselves as the superior race and their land is already connected to Asia.

They despise states that do good for them.

But they don't know that there will be nothing true with their own people.

[feral river]

That’s how we think of people from other countries

You can’t know China better than me

[versed rain]

Its politicians are America's lackeys.

And they still think they're something.

[late atlas]

Don't forget that that many European countries: UK, Germany, France, Netherlands, Norway are extremely generous and providing. And they accepted millions of immigrants from Asia.

[feral river]

Bro you really think it’s generous

[versed rain]

Are the French generous, who have been selling African children in slave markets for years? They are generous with the sale of people.

[feral river]

It’s nothing about generous but using it as a source of economic boost for their own economy

Increasing demands

That was the basic of modern capitalism

[versed rain]

And Germany, which for years brought African children and had them for sweep the chimney?

[feral river]

All you have to remember is, you have to take responsibility of every actions you made

Countries also do

That’s why some countries becomes to superpower, and some countries are going to disappear

[late atlas]

I "like" how Arab people criticise Europe and the West, they do protests against Western values. And then they enjoy the fruits and advantages of Western society and take it as granted (immigration).

[feral river]

Survival for the fittest

That’s how the world works

[versed rain]

I am a Turk and not an Arab. We didn't get as much feedback as we liked the Europeans. Russia, on whose faces we always spit today, loves us more than the Europeans. And even though we protect Europe and give weapons to Ukraine.

[feral river]

And only the powerful countries have rights to define what is good and what is bad

Puppet states of superpower really think they have the right to be their own

Cringe

[versed rain]

Europeans think they can defend Europe by waving the LGBT flag on their butts.

[feral river]

Europeans are not the big boss

But the United States

United States of America, People’s Republic of China, Russian Federation

Those are big bosses

[thorny steeple]

but we only FEAR GOD

[versed rain]

If you ask them, they are very righteous beings, but they are fools who cannot defend Palestine today because they are afraid of America.

[feral river]

Who cares

I don’t care

[thorny steeple]

MAYBE FOR YOU BUT OUR WHOLE COUNTRY IN IN FIRE JUST TO REMOVE PUPPETS AND INFLUENCE OF AMERICA IN OUR COUNTRY

[versed rain]

Personally we don't like arabs as turk becausr of syrians and arabic culture

[feral river]

If I see you on the battlefield I don’t care you believe in god or not I will just open fire without hesitation

[thorny steeple]

WE dont cares about big bosses

[feral river]

Then see what will happen if you don’t care

The proxy of big boss will just destroy you guys

State of Israel

[thorny steeple]

yes and thats the point thats Why we are struggling for our freedom

[versed rain]

Did u listen 6 day war song?

[thorny steeple]

Israel is afraid of children

so shame

we dont accept defeat we fight till end

[feral river]

In our state, Xinjiang we are building tons of camps to protect our national security from arrest Islamic extremists

[versed rain]

Israel, the butcher of children, today receives the most support from Europe, which is very fair.

[feral river]

Yeah they fear ofc those are the source of fighters

[thorny steeple]

oh afrais people

[feral river]

Cut off the source would be the best for them

For the national security of Israel

[versed rain]

@feral river Do you see Turkey on the side from the east or the west?

[feral river]

Idk that much actually but you guys have some ties with Russia and west at the same time

Terrorism towards terrorists, what a nice thing

[versed rain]

For the most part, we have ties with the west, but in recent cases our decisions are more similar to the east.

[feral river]

Insulting ?

I suggest you better stop insulting

XD

That was fun

[versed rain]

i have to leave

bye

[feral river]

🤣

Sorry I don’t believe some sh*t doesn’t exist

I’m not that dumb

You better stop your insult

Or I will just report

[whole beacon]

hi

[whole beacon]

thats okay. its a debate

[feral river]

I come from heaven

[whole beacon]

non sense is not an insult

[feral river]

I created it

[pastel epoch]

Me am the god

[feral river]

It was fun

[pastel epoch]

No am the god i created it

[feral river]

Then there is a war between gods

[pastel epoch]

Lol haha

Haha..... reacting to your own message 🤣😂

Dude is just brainwashed by religion

No am not...lol
I never will...i treat every people equally irrespective of religion and never said that my religion is superior than yours

[whole beacon]

yep yep. its discord after all.

[pastel epoch]

Lol...even non modern people don't pray or worship

Wrong... their neighbours...ig same as your country

[thorny steeple]

men....pls dont talked to me if you are supported israel...you are a very eviled... pls freed palestine🇵🇸

[pastel epoch]

I do believe

Nope but i respect islam

Yup

[feral river]

Oh I support holy state of Israel

🇮🇱

Israel value +1000

[thorny steeple]

and I want all to respect mine as I do thats it

🇵🇸

[pastel epoch]

Most people do respect eachother religion.... just some brainwashed people from social media specially from Instagram spread hates

I don't know about that... never saw that....also most of the people here are muslims...

Ig they were talking about ISIS

[feral river]

What is Muslim

[pastel epoch]

People who follow islam

[pastel epoch]

Ig you are Buddhist cuz you are from china

[feral river]

Bruh why

I’m not a Buddhist

And most people in China are not Buddhist

[pastel epoch]

Ohhh i thought most people in china are Buddhist cuz they show kungfu and Buddhist monk in their films

[feral river]

Nope most people in China are atheists

[fair panther]

Fr

[thorny steeple]

men....in your country you have camps where you are killed many muslim....pls dont supported that....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

[fair panther]

I didn't knew

[feral river]

Burh I’m funding that what are you talking about

My friend works in that camp

And he got up to 3000usd a month

[fair panther]

Hey what's going on

Um?

[thorny steeple]

men....im now understand why your so islamophobic......

[feral river]

I respect Islam and Muslims

But I protect my interest from defending my country

[fair panther]

Wo cool

[thorny steeple]

men....after reading many of your message....im not believed u.....im sorry men

[fair panther]

You muslim?

[thorny steeple]

yes masalah im muslim....are you?

[fair panther]

I am not sorry?

[neon sierra]

elhamdulillah bro is back

[thorny steeple]

men....it is oked

[neon sierra]

hes fake muslimied

[thorny steeple]

hello womaned

[thorny steeple]

not....im a real muslimed

[neon sierra]

im femaled girled

i prefered that mored

[cyan bone]

My point of view on the matter is that a person must defend what is right and not be biased towards a country or race

[fair panther]

Fr??????

[neon sierra]

armenienn canted be real muslimed

[feral river]

well I must defend my interest.

[thorny steeple]

@neon sierra womaned pls readed this....it is a proofed im a real muslimed and supported a palestinien......🇵🇸

[neon sierra]

you still eated dogs?

[feral river]

yep

I missed dogs so much when I was in South Korea

[thorny steeple]

womaned....im a convertibled to muslimed for a many months now....masalah

[fair panther]

You support Palestine my friend?

[feral river]

now I come back to China I must eat dogs

[thorny steeple]

yes my freind.... do you supported palestinien?

[neon sierra]

doesnted make you muslimed, everyone supported innocented people

[fair panther]

I don't support both of them

[neon sierra]

you changed country?

[thorny steeple]

masalah womaned you are have a good souled......

[feral river]

nope I just traveled back to my country

[neon sierra]

what do you leaned with come back to chined

[thorny steeple]

men.....which country your from?

[fair panther]

Tevyat

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/all-you-can-eat-dog-tilt-head-huh-what-gif-16328151

[fair panther]

Both are killing each other

[neon sierra]

where you wased?

[feral river]

because I was in South Korea from march to june

[thorny steeple]

men.....im not wanted to talked to you im sry.....

[feral river]

and I come back to China now so I can eat dogs again

[neon sierra]

you too portguese maled

[thorny steeple]

womaned....pls

[fair panther]

You are the first person who support Palestine without much hatred towards others

[neon sierra]

you listened to kpop dog music?

[cyan bone]

🤢

[feral river]

I think your support worth nothing compared my fund of military industry of Israel

[pastel epoch]

You been to South Korea? Did you face any racism there after they knowing you from china?

[feral river]

and it generated profit

[neon sierra]

what

you dont liked our grammar

[thorny steeple]

men.....im not wanted a problem of conflicts.....im just wanted a supported of innocant womans and childs being in suffer.....pls men

[neon sierra]

Omg.

[feral river]

nope I ever been a lot of countries, Singapore, Malaysia, North/South Korea, Japan

they are awesome and I live in China

[fair panther]

I respect you and your decision

[thorny steeple]

men....this is so eviled.....

[thorny steeple]

ty men....

[cyan bone]

I felt disgusted

[feral river]

for you but justice and profit to me

[thorny steeple]

men....there is more importanted thing in lifes than moneys.....pls men...

[feral river]

yeah more importanted thing in lifes for state of Israel and with money

that was incredible because you can defend their people and you can get money at the same time

I must love that

[fair panther]

Everyone has different view my friend you cannot say that

[thorny steeple]

pls freed palestinien 🇵🇸 (my loves from armenien 🇦🇲)

[fair panther]

How much you donated tho

[agile owl]

Hi guys

[thorny steeple]

men.....it was my opinioned....im not cared for money....im cared for peace.....please dont telled me i cannot sayed my opinion......

[neon sierra]

Im going to donate to hitmen to slice up minecraft

[feral river]

Stand with Israel for the west for China for America for the world 🇮🇱 🇺🇸 🇨🇳

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/deploy-katana-gif-23542673

[fair panther]

Bro you are supporting Palestine but don't you know there is still war going on ukrine

[thorny steeple]

in a mosque they gathered a money for gaza childs.....my family is donate the 1k euro.....im only donate 50 euro....im sorry men im not a rich with moneyed.......

[fair panther]

Ig??

[fair panther]

It's ok

[feral river]

well that's nothing with my 2000usd share of stocks of Israeli military industry

bro i'm a student

[thorny steeple]

men....im support innocant in ukraine too.......but ukraine get many billion dollar military supports for defend itself (usa and eu sended much money and weapons)......but palestinien not get any money to helped defended themself......it is a different.....

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/squirrel-what-about-whataboutism-gif-21354591

[feral river]

and numerous american weapons granted by Pentagon are shipping to Israel.

[neon sierra]

Stop the whataboutism

[fair panther]

Literally every muslim country support

[feral river]

at this time we support Russia too much

Russia are kinda relying on us to fight a war with Ukraine

so we got huge benefit from it

[neon sierra]

We support china too much as well

[cyan bone]

Palestine Children and women die every day at the hands of Israel due to hunger, bombing and other brutal methods. They do not possess a quarter of the weapons of mass destruction that Israel possesses. They took them out of their homes and let the dogs prey on them. Then man comes to defend Israel. Is this correct?

[neon sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/save-uyghur-uyghur-kecebong-togog-islam-gif-15848128

[versed rain]

We don't support china

[feral river]

lol

if you come here see ya in camps

[neon sierra]

ill see u too ching chong

[feral river]

at least they are in camps and you will be friend with them

[thorny steeple]

men....israeli blocked borders of gaza.....there isnt much that can comed inside.....they in control of what comes in and out of country.....they blocked even the foods of enter.....and no country allowed provided the palestinien weapon to defended itself.....but whole world sended so much money and weapon to ukraine to defended itself......this is not a comparison in fairly to make....pls men...just stopped talking to me....im not liked this

[neon sierra]

You like genocide jokes

I see

[feral river]

that's not genocide

that's bunch of people supporting terrorist groups against national integration of China

[neon sierra]

Oaky u child labor

[thorny steeple]

yes....these mens are supported israeli....im so sadly of this....pls freed palestine🇵🇸 (me is sending this love from Kurdistan)

[neon sierra]

Go to work

[feral river]

ofc we crack down on them

[feral river]

in camps ? idk I'm not in camps

[versed rain]

Traitor

[feral river]

I live in my city and here is prosperous

[neon sierra]

Going to send ur future child to make anytihng with “made in china”

[thorny steeple]

men....why im traitor?.... im in supported of palestinien from day of borned......🇵🇸 and my family too....

[neon sierra]

youre made in china, cheap and useless

[versed rain]

The Armenian president says that there was no Armenian genocide, you still say that there was a genocide.

[feral river]

?

[neon sierra]

The hell.

So many genocide supporters here

[versed rain]

You eat the bread of the country, and you use electricity illegally.

[cyan bone]

When Palestine defends themselves, they call them terrorists, and Israel is an angel with wings

[thorny steeple]

men.....turkiye itselfs admit it killed 600000 armenien (they reduce number from 1.5 millions) please readed this:https://www.mfa.gov.tr/the-armenian-allegation-of-genocide-the-issue-and-the-facts.en.mfa

it is a TURKIYE official government site....
this is not from west or from armenia or from arab....
this is turkish saying this.....

[thorny steeple]

yes.... im agreed.... pls freed palestine🇵🇸

[thorny steeple]

this is very misinformation and falsed propaganda....pls dont done this its not good....pls

[feral river]

how is a non-sovereighty state defend themselves ?

they doesn't even exist

but the sovereighty state of Israel is defending themselves

a state without sovereighty 🤣 sounds like an illegal regime

[fair panther]

I just heard that Palestine support Terrosis

[versed rain]

On the page, he does not acknowledge the genocide

so hakan fidan etc

Look at fact 4

[thorny steeple]

men....stop deny of armenian genocide.....please readed this proof.......

https://guides.library.charlotte.edu/c.php?g=644173&p=4512920

https://www.ictj.org/sites/default/files/ICTJ-Turkey-Armenian-Reconciliation-2002-English.pdf

https://genocidescholars.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Turkish-State-Denial-Open-Letter.pdf

[feral river]

Armenien Soviet Socialist Republics ?

[thorny steeple]

if you wanted to deny armenian genocide....then please sended me proofs....and not just deny and attacked withot the sources.....

[versed rain]

None of it is evidence

[feral river]

well at that time they are part of Russia

part of Russian Empire

[thorny steeple]

men.....are you turkished?.....im never seen someone deny armenian genocide so much like you......and you dont think it is a suspicioused that only 2 country in the whole world deny armenian genocide (turkey and pakistan)......pls men....just stopped this

[cyan bone]

Israel has usurped the lands of Palestine by force, but I tell you that Israel has lost and will not have a state from now on. I promise you.

[feral river]

that was a war between Russian Empire and Ottoman Empire

not something stupid sh*t genocide

[fair panther]

Lol is that Pakistan and uzbekistan

[thorny steeple]

pls stop deny armenia genocide....pls read the documents i sended.....even turkiye itself admitting it genocided 600000 innocant armenien people....(the real number is 1.5 million) you are just deny proof and attacked me without a sources....

[fair panther]

Hi

[feral river]

that was a massacre not genocide

just a massacre okay ?

[whole beacon]

Chinese lad must be so proud with Mao Zedong.
Who resulted in the death of over 80 million.

[thorny steeple]

in the whole world it is only turkey and pakistan that deny armenien genocide....(pakistan only agreeing for the political ties)

[feral river]

well I'm condemning the rule under Mao Zedong

[whole beacon]

Thats the core of wat china is today.

[feral river]

but I'm proud of Mao Zedong how saved China from invasion from authoritarian regime of Kuomintang

[thorny steeple]

men.....killing over 50% of a population can be counted as genocide......600000 deaths is not just massacre.....it is genocide....pls stop deny armenien genocide.......

[feral river]

Mao Zedong is the founder of People's Republic of China

[whole beacon]

His regim is authoritarian

Well was

[feral river]

but he still made a lot of mistakes like great leap forward and cultural revolution

he know how to save China from darkness but he don't know how to rule China to be prosperous

he's a legendary leader with a lot of mistakes

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

like Stalin too

[whole beacon]

We call them brutal dictators

[thorny steeple]

men.....just freed palestinien pls....🇵🇸

[feral river]

that's what you call

[whole beacon]

No
We call

[feral river]

but a brutal dictator saved China from invasion, liberated China from division, expanded Chinese territory and protect the Chinese nation, I must love that brutal dictator

he still made a lot of mistakes, no one is perfect

[thorny steeple]

Don't ever pleased someone to stand with Palestine. If they want they will search and educate themselves about it. BBC/CNN won in brainwashing practice. Palestine needs only human beings not the others that we live with

[feral river]

like killed millions of people

[whole beacon]

That makes u a nationalistic extremest.

[feral river]

I'm a capitalist I support anyone benefit me

[thorny steeple]

yes ty womaned..... masalah.....you have a good souled......🇵🇸

[whole beacon]

Okay, watever u say

[feral river]

and I'm glad I have 9,596,961 km2 land with hundred of Chinese cities to travel to live to experience and my home is prosperous

why I won't love that ?

I love my home that was simple

that was wholesome, my river my city my sea my mountains

without visa

because that was my land, land of peace

why the hell I will like some places even requires a visa for me to go ?

even our leader are struggling to expand our land for us

how to hate him ?

[cyan bone]

I hate where I live if he doesn't have the right

I belong to standing with truth and abandoning falsehood, not because my country does something that I should be like them, just because I was born in it

[thorny steeple]

Seriously?

There is a serious chat here not for ads

[high knoll]

Hey layla

[thorny steeple]

You may got banned you have to read the rules sir

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[high knoll]

How are u buddy

[thorny gulch]

hey @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

Hi I am good guys

But here for discussion not for chatting

[thorny steeple]

men....which is your country?

[cyan bone]

Egypt

[cyan bone]

And u

[thorny steeple]

im armenien🇦🇲

[thorny steeple]

men....im liked egypt and im liked palestinien👍

[cyan bone]

Nice to meet u

[cyan bone]

Ty too much i am happy too much for that ty

[night cedar]

[unique light]

We're all Americans (Like you say)

[marsh robin]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-n0-the-boys-starr-gif-25749194

[rose eagle]

lmao??

[rose eagle]

Because he was a selfish man, he always wanted to be the ruler and keep that throne, so he created the Red Guards, brainwashed them and turned them into a tool to fulfill his wishes

[thorn lagoon]

genocide is a form of massacre

[haughty forge]

Kinda

[night cedar]

banana rain

[cold crag]

Are u kidding bro

[cold crag]

Banana rain?

[night cedar]

yes

[cold crag]

How old r u 🙂

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-real-true-fact-checked-fact-gif-6343207587503842551

[violet latch]

Serious?

[rose eagle]

hey everyone? Should I use the graphics card used to mine bitcoin to build a gaming PC? Can it be used for a long time?

because those graphics cards are very cheap

[quick plover]

if you don't have a warranty you won't be able to replace them btw

[night cedar]

weeeeeeeeeeeeee

[feral river]

is there anyone is not selfish ?

well if it was me I will do that to keep my power too

[thorny steeple]

So u don't know anything about what i was talking about

[desert nebula]

Why are so many people hypocrites?
They make me feel sick.

[feral river]

well not all of them

but I read religious books like Torah, the Old testament something

[raw verge]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

If it helps their interests then of course they will, that's human instinct

[thorny steeple]

u've read them for what?

[desert nebula]

They want an excuse to justify their sick crimes and hatred.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah that's all the ppl doing at this age, You can see it all over the world

[desert nebula]

May every trash president, gov and criminal taste the same suffering they've caused to innocent lives
||جهنم وبئس المصير||

[thorny steeple]

i hope so i think u got the point many presidents They play a role for innocent people and hide it by claiming that they are doing the right thing and helping all the victims of the idea, but the idea does not lie only with the presidents, but rather the idea lies with all human beings because they are watching what is happening and do not do anything.

[desert nebula]

Bro I lost hope in all presidents. There's not any one who really cares about humans. They'll show their true colors one day. Poeple who supports them are blind since they don't see the dark side that the others see.
And yeah we're part of the problem bc we're silent or to be more exact "afraid" in my country whoever claims his basic rights or say a word against the president his fate is death.
I wish a courageous leader comes and unites us like in the past rather than a dumb selfish person.

I wish many things haven't developed especially weapons. While wars drowned on who's stronger and smarter in the past now it depends on who's less human and have the nuclear and chemical weapons. Hiding from their holes they can shoot a rocket or a bomb and end everyones lives

[thorny steeple]

I hope so, and I hope so for every person who wants to achieve lasting peace and freedom .

[thorny steeple]

Ending everyone's life requires great psychology and not just pressing a button, but the current generation can do it without caring for the other because they have lost their minds and have been brainwashed with things that do not even exist.

[manic juniper]

It's the mammalian condition, mammals will always wage war to one another in the attempt to dominate their peers

[thorny steeple]

exactly

[dapper laurel]

What about Bonobos?

[manic juniper]

They will engage in sex to solve small scale conflicts

I don't know if bonobos would be able to create a peaceful society where other mammals aren't oppressed simply by engaging in more intercourse, further testing needed

[dapper laurel]

I heard that in bonobo society there are no patriarchal hierarchical orders, so they don't wage war, more than anything their society is very hedonistic

[manic juniper]

Yes, unfortunately they still display frequent aggression compared to pigeons or social lizards

[thorny steeple]

On this subject, I think that primates, or as you call them Bonobos, cannot of course do anything right. They can live in a warm place and they have instincts, of course. But I do not think in the future or currently that they can invent things and rely on them, especially humans only.

Or as you say mammals

[dapper laurel]

I once saw a pigeon being killed by a seagull

[thorny steeple]

I respect your ideas and your ideological direction, but I think that the theories that you in particular followed are taken for granted and are just imaginary talk.

[manic juniper]

That's just a human adaptation, there are animals that use tools and those that don't rely on them much, ants can farm aphids for instances, some ants and termites farm fungi, dolphins or bonobos aren't capable of that but would you say they're dumber or that they rely on instincts more? It's just the way they evolved

[manic juniper]

If it's a theory it isn't imaginary, that would be a hypothesis

[manic juniper]

Same but with a rabbit

[dapper laurel]

I felt like an ancient Roman in the Colosseum, seeing this bloody show

[manic juniper]

I consider humans as less advanced than termites because so far no society ever managed to build a fully independent, self sufficient town/city that is very populated but doesn't rely on trading. Termites can do that

[manic juniper]

When I was little I made a scorpion and a spider fight one another, now I regret it because it was kinda cruel

The scorpion absolutely thrashed the spider, cut all the limbs one by one, grabbed the body with a pincer and started eating it while it was still alive

[dapper laurel]

Instead I took two ants from two different anthills and made them fight

[thorny steeple]

The way they evolved, and they did not evolve, comes to them randomly because they need it to live, and like anything, whether an animal or a human, it fights for its livelihood, but do they have the options to invent better things than what you just mentioned? I do not think so because they live a routine life, which means they live only for themselves, unlike a person who does everything in order to succeed himself and ensure the continuation of generations, especially his generation.

[dapper laurel]

I also saw a wasp killing a bee, then I killed the wasp

[manic juniper]

The process of inventing and developing better technology is just our evolutionary path, applying our standards on everything makes little sense. Otherwise I'd ask "Why didn't humans develop better lungs like birds to filter the air more and being less influenced by air pollution", the answer is: we cannot, and that's not how we survive

Also the thing about generations makes no sense, most beings live to reproduce. There are animals that literally die just to reproduce, that's a lot more effort than anything humans do

[manic juniper]

Why

[thorny steeple]

They have not been tested in reality. Let us take a simple example of Darwin's theory. Darwin's theory has not been tested and will not be tested because it is impossible. Therefore, he has no evidence that there is an evolution of man from apes, and he kept the origin of apes unknown, so his evidence is just illusions, and his theories are as well.

[dapper laurel]

Because I was sad to see the wasp cut off the bee's head

[desert nebula]

Yes who's in authority nowadays requires to be devoid of any sympathy. As I said before who really cares will be afraid of this responsibility. They'll keep thinking about everyone's well being about the people who dies from hunger or cold .....

[desert nebula]

I feel we've talked before. Months ago if my memory didn't betray me🙃

[thorny steeple]

But animals do this for their sexual desire

[manic juniper]

Why do you spread disinformation, it was tested and even his predictions like the one about the Madagascar moth was true

[manic juniper]

No, there are animals that don't reproduce sexually

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

Literally one of the most well documented examples of evolution

[prisma cipher]

it's easy to test it

[manic juniper]

It makes little sense to deny it, is the evolution in the Bible? No. Does the Catholic Church and the Pope recognise its validity? Also yes. Did we see actual effects on humans too? Yes, we did.

[manic juniper]

Well they also need to eat, did you know that bees can kill flowers? And other pollinators too, if they are left unchecked they will damage the plant and possibly kill it

[thorny steeple]

I haven't looked at it, but let's keep it to humans and apes. If you defend Darwin's theory, can you give me the origin of Monkeys

[thorny steeple]

U can grab a monkey and have a sex with him and let's see the result

[manic juniper]

? Monkeys are primates, do you want me to go back in time and find what the first monkey looked like? Because that's impossible, we don't know the appearance of the first Egyptian, first Russian, first Roman, how can we know about the first monkey?

[prisma cipher]

[prisma cipher]

Thanks

[manic juniper]

Monkey is also an informal term, the scientific term would be simian or Simiiformes

[thorny steeple]

According to the theory you rely on, it says that the Russian, Egyptian, African, and Roman origin are monkeys. Didn’t you find this theory to be the origin of apes in themselves?

[manic juniper]

Why do you spread disinformation, months ago I answered this question and no, Darwin never said we are monkeys or we descend from monkeys

Exactly 0 of our ancestors were monkeys

[prisma cipher]

@thorny steeple we did not come from apes, we are apes. We have the same ancestors in the past but it was millions of years ago

[thorny steeple]

What did he say then?

[prisma cipher]

We just one of monkey species

[manic juniper]

He said that we have similarities with them, and that they are some of our closest relatives in the animal world. Do you think humans are mammals? Yes or no?

[thorny steeple]

give me a prove, Is your only evidence that we're similar physiologically? I don't think that could work, but mentally we're not.

[manic juniper]

Ape, but yes

[thorny steeple]

Yes, humans are breasts

[manic juniper]

Mentally we are too, our brains are an enlarged and specialised version of their brains, their brains are also different from ours or to one another. Chimps aren't gorillas, their brains are different. Are they similar? Yes. Are they the same? No

[rustic grove]

From apes or not, but unlike humans they don't create deadly weapons to kill each other.

[manic juniper]

It's the same logic, we are not frogs, we still have some similarities with frogs. We have even more similarities with a pig. And even more with a monkey, and a lot more with any other ape

[manic juniper]

Mostly because of their body plan, they are more quadruped than we are, they have worse hand-eye coordination, their muscles are stronger but less precise, however they can swing and lift themselves very easily

Humans also have a remnant of the muscle used by monkeys and non-human apes to lift themselves, but ours doesn't work anymore, some people even lack it (I don't have it)

[prisma cipher]

The similarity is not only visual, genetics are also similar, and we have similar genetic errors, for example, an error that interferes with the production of vitamins in the body and therefore we get scurvy if we are left without vitamin C. chimpanzees have the same problem

[thorny steeple]

All apes are from the same species and share the same mind, the way of eating, the way of living... etc., but if we are an enlarged copy of them, then why are we arguing about this, and they do not even care about this matter, of course they do not care because they only have a routine life, unlike us. We can control our life routine and think about the last day we will live and think about our children as well

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmaris_longus_muscle

Useless muscle but still present, it will disappear eventually

[true lark]

Hello, what are we currently discussing

[prisma cipher]

Monkey

[thorny steeple]

If you say that we are similar to monkeys, I will agree with you about this, of course, and anyone who rejects this idea is an idiot, but mentally we are not like that.

[manic juniper]

They don't lmao you are talking out of your ass now. Gorillas absolutely don't eat the same stuff as chimpanzees, chimpanzees are a lot more like us, they eat fruits and hunt for meat (sometimes in complex ways like antelopes, often just by catching a small monkey), gorillas are herbivorous, they eat leaves, they eat fruits too (tbh many animals do, even lizards), sometimes they consume insects

[manic juniper]

Monkeys aren't like one another either, but they still share similarities

Apes too, for example most apes are social. An exception are orangutans (they can be social, but more often than not they aren't)

[prisma cipher]

leave a little child in the forest for several years, if he survives, he will look more like a monkey than a human

[true lark]

About in between mammals and dogs in differences I'd say

[prisma cipher]

And he never become normal human if you take him back in social after that

[thorny steeple]

Did you keep the topic on this thing? I gave you a superficial idea and you did not even understand the point that I wanted to tell you.

[manic juniper]

A capuchin monkey isn't the same as a mandrill, at all. Capuchin monkeys are a lot more peaceful and frightened, mandrills are insane and aggressive

[true lark]

What?

[manic juniper]

You edited your message, it didn't say that earlier 🤔

[prisma cipher]

But what I said is bulshit. Because you can't grow monkey like a human

[thorny steeple]

What message

[manic juniper]

The one I replied to, anyway it's pointless because I already gave you the answer. Animals don't do routines only, or if you insist on that I can insist that humans also follow routines most of the times, I don't see how that distinguishes us from them

Our brains changed very little in the last 40k years. People probably had way less things to entertain them 40k years ago, does that mean that they were dumber? No, I don't think so

[thorny steeple]

Are you saying that humans were as primitive at that time as apes?

yes or no

[manic juniper]

What do you mean with "primitive"? As in, they had less technology?

Or that they had smaller brains

[thorny steeple]

let's say Bonobo

[manic juniper]

40k years ago is quite recent, our brains were the same as now, and we had a relatively developed technology too

40k years ago the first stable agrarian settlements were taking over the hunter gatherer societies

Things like bows, spears, axes already existed

[thorny steeple]

How did they discover technology, etc., unlike apes? Or is it because of their mini version?

[manic juniper]

Clothes, bowls, purses, bags existed

[manic juniper]

We didn't discover technology, some animals also use it. We are just better adapted to develop it since we have both opposable thumbs (like many mammals) but we also walk on two legs most of the times (so our hands are free to operate and do stuff, they're not busy to move you around or lift you up)

[thorny steeple]

If you say that we have not discovered technology, then who discovered it, and how do animals use it?

[manic juniper]

If birds had opposable thumbs instead of wings some of them would do the same as us

[thorny steeple]

u re talking from ur ass now actually

[manic juniper]

It isn't really a discovery, and answering that question is impossible because the first technology was made of wood and stones, two things that aren't well preserved

[manic juniper]

ok buddy, at least I don't edit my message to slander you

[velvet ridge]

Hello

[velvet ridge]

What's the topic

[vagrant yew]

probably

[velvet ridge]

Lemme join you

[vagrant yew]

vultures use large rocks to bash open skulls so yk

isn't too far fetched

[manic juniper]

And hawks in Australia set entire forests on fire on purpose

There are also tools that are reused by apes and crows because they have a useful shape, like their personal pointy stick

[thorny steeple]

Can you tell me what i changed in my messages, or are you just saying that nonsense to distinguish yourself from me?

[manic juniper]

Your message mentioned eating and you completely removed it from the text in your edit, then you proceeded to say I didn't answer

[vagrant yew]

not 100% on this but crows sometimes collect shiney objects

[rustic grove]

Human evolution I think. But that was like 15 minutes ago

[manic juniper]

It's an as*hole move tbh the conversation isn't in good faith

[thorny steeple]

The answer to this question is not impossible. You are just evading the truth. The truth is that it was discovered by a human being, and I do not know where you get this nonsense that you spew out of your ass just to convince the weak with your ridiculous arguments that do not even make sense.

[thorny steeple]

i didn't i swear

Here you are, just dodging

keep ur mind up next time

[true lark]

I was there though

Not to start anything but

[thorny steeple]

bruh give a proof that i removed my message or i edit it

[true lark]

You did mention something about their diet

[thorny steeple]

yes i edit the word monkeys and i've changed it to apes

[manic juniper]

Plus I don't think you're informed about the argument since:

1. You don't know the difference between theory and hypothesis
2. Evolution has many examples, some are taught at school because they're quite simple. Unfortunately some countries outright ban its teaching for some reasons
3. Darwin never said we are monkeys

[thorny steeple]

that's it

[manic juniper]

This bunker killed my connection

[true lark]

Let's switch the topic okay?

[manic juniper]

Did the message about cathedrals arrive?

[true lark]

Let's go to my favourite topic of all, metaphysics

[manic juniper]

It says failed to send

[thorny steeple]

Try to find someone weak next time, this time you failed

[true lark]

Let's leave the topix

[true lark]

Let's leave it behind and move on

[manic juniper]

lol if you feel better about yourself then ok, you didn't counter ONE of my arguments

[thorny steeple]

question for u Whoever invented technology, be honest

[true lark]

LEAVE IT

[manic juniper]

Yes it's boring to repeat the same things over and over, I'm pretty sure I already talked to this guy

Dagemer invented technology

I was there when he did that 16 minutes ago in this military bunker

He invented sauna, the best piece of technology so far after Japanese toilets and bird feeders

[thorny steeple]

I have not disputed a single argument that we are physiologically similar to apes that's it

[manic juniper]

Who taught termites to build cathedrals

[velvet ridge]

Ohhhh

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper Good luck next time

[velvet ridge]

Sucks

[thorny steeple]

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[prisma cipher]

@royal spruce

[vagrant yew]

me

I did

for I am lord of the termites

[manic juniper]

Then he was right, humans invented technology... Wait, are you a human?

[true lark]

Well it's not a singular thing, the use of tools in primates has been documented (eg. Using sticks to gather ants etc) this I consider the start of technology, a form of humankind has discovered fire, the next big step, with many many years in between that we smelted metals like bronze In to new tools, another leap in time to only just recently we discovered electricity, thats my opinion on it, discovering technology isn't a singular thing but a path

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper You know, I don't care about things like bible... etc

[manic juniper]

I mostly do not, they're not my thing

[vagrant yew]

nope

I always fail the 'I am not a robot' checks

[thorny steeple]

But who did all that?

[thorny steeple]

same as me

[true lark]

So primates started the process of inventing technology and we completed it

[vagrant yew]

me

[thorny steeple]

What type of primate?

[prisma cipher]

I know you rely only on your experience, and if you didn’t see how a monkey gave birth to a human, then there is no evolution, spoiler alert, a monkey never gave birth to a human.

[vagrant yew]

yeah monkeys don't give birth to humans

[thorny steeple]

exactly

This cannot be done

[vagrant yew]

no one said they do lmao

[prisma cipher]

I forgot it ape🐒

[thorny steeple]

Some people believe that it has already been done

[prisma cipher]

Also it's never happened

[thorny steeple]

exactly It is true that we resemble them physiologically, but that does not mean that we resemble them mentally

[true lark]

No specific one, you aren't getting my point about all creatures in our line of evolution contributing, nobody invented technology, it just slowly developed as species transitioned into more intelligent species able to better make use of the technology at hand to further the concept of technology, a sharp rock is technology just as much as a phone is, a phone is simply more advanced

[prisma cipher]

this means that at a basic level you do not understand what evolution is.

[vagrant yew]

y'all do realize that the theory of evolution states a common ancestor and not direct inheritence, right?

[thorny steeple]

The species you are talking about are humans, or are you trying to ignore the information and reject it outright with your ridiculous arguments?

[true lark]

Oh my god what is wrong with you I'm saying not a singular species invented it

[true lark]

I cant with these people, how can they think a species just goes from whatever common ancestor to home sapien instantly

[thorny steeple]

I understand many types of evolution. What type of evolution do you mean? If you mean the evolution of human from apes, then I do not believe in that, even out of ridiculous arguments.

[manic juniper]

The common ancestor is supposed to speciate (diverge and originate different species)

[thorny steeple]

So how did it reach you?

[manic juniper]

There was one mammal species once, that one eventually diverged into multiple ones that over time speciated even more

[vagrant yew]

exactly

[true lark]

Evolution?

[thorny steeple]

Development *

[manic juniper]

Technology isn't that different from singing, humans didn't teach birds how to sing and we didn't have a bird teacher for ourselves. It was developed independently

It's convergent evolution

[thorny steeple]

by who

[prisma cipher]

Before you disbelieve, figure out what it means. you don’t even understand what the phrase "human came from a monkey" Mean, you think that monkey gave birth a human one day.

[true lark]

Not omg you're stupid I just realised, you will never accept anything I say and will just stick to your own beliefs, this isn't how a debate functions, but then again this isn't a debate hosted by the debate club but just a conversation with a idiot who won't accept anything you say.

Yes I used . Its that serious

[thorny steeple]

It came from evolution through "the reproduction of several generations "am not that stupid

[rustic grove]

So quiet after that .

[thorny steeple]

But you did not specify who did it

[vagrant yew]

who did what?

[thorny steeple]

Who discovered the technology?

[vagrant yew]

oh it happened over time

[manic juniper]

[true lark]

IT. WAS. NOT. A. SINGULAR. PERSON. YOU. #%@%@%@

[vagrant yew]

like if you analyze various civilizations you can see a lot of humans came up with similar concepts

[true lark]

They're crazy and won't accept that's a possibility

[vagrant yew]

a good example is a bow and arrow or a spear

[prisma cipher]

you mean a millions generations.

[manic juniper]

Bro if pasta was discovered by Romans and Chinese that doesn't mean one taught the other, some things are developed independently

[thorny steeple]

finally

[vagrant yew]

so like not 1 person discovered how to make something and then shared it with every other human

[prisma cipher]

Several generations

[manic juniper]

In evolution it's the same. Look at a thylacine skull, it's strikingly similar to a wolf's. Except wolves are much closer to us than they are to thylacines (they are related to koalas)

[thorny steeple]

😂It doesn't matter what I mean, what matters is that I understand you

[true lark]

Yes but it started with using sticks or sharp rocks, right?

[fallow ridge]

[prisma cipher]

But you don't

[thorny steeple]

mhm yeah

[vagrant yew]

mhm

[thorny steeple]

i do

[manic juniper]

The wolf didn't teach the Tasmanian tiger how to get a skull like its own through mewing or Korean plastic surgery, they evolved under similar pressures and developed the same skull

[prisma cipher]

No you don't

[thorny steeple]

okey then

[manic juniper]

For example Aztecs had the wheel, but they never used it on a large scale because they lacked domestic animals to pull carts. But they found toys with wheels

[vagrant yew]

mhm

[manic juniper]

Pasta, yoghurt, wheel, these are some examples of things that probably were discovered independently

Multiple times

[thorny steeple]

several gens are so short for evolution

[neon sierra]

waiting for my pookie to wake up

[worn bolt]

[verbal torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-belong-here-uatu-what-if-you're-in-the-wrong-place-disney-gif-8900009544677800990

[prisma cipher]

No you

[verbal torrent]

No u

[raw verge]

Hi

[raw verge]

Doing well

What about you

[unique light]

Long time no see

[raw verge]

Hi

[true lark]

Oh great to know

[raw verge]

Doing well

[prisma cipher]

Yes, but I saw you recently here.

[unique light]

Hanging out here

[prisma cipher]

Good talk bye

[onyx pawn]

Hey

[royal spruce]

[night cedar]

[thorny steeple]

men.....just pls freed palestenien....🇵🇸

[feral river]

men….just pls annexed palestine…🇮🇱

[thorny steeple]

this is just toxical evil trolls pls dont talked to me.....

[thorn lagoon]

[solemn jay]

that vs which

[feral river]

this is just a bs evil trolls pls talk to me...

the full annexation of Palestine would be the best for Israeli national security, social stable, strengthen the regional power and achieve economic prosperity.

in the back of a superpower they have no fear and they will achieve that

[marsh robin]

Full annexation of Middle East would be the best for Israeli national security 🤡
Then Eu and first Germany because national security 🤡..

[thorn lagoon]

I like this

Iam a good and obedient goy

[dapper laurel]

But it wouldn't be bad if Israel conquered Lebanon, Palestine, Sinai and Jordan, it would have its living space

https://tenor.com/view/israel-israel-flag-israel-independence-day-israel-76-am-yisrael-chai-gif-13642661260005341821

[thorny steeple]

I support Israel 🇮🇱

[dapper laurel]

If they conquer all these lands they will become a minority, mix with the local population and disappear from the face of the earth

As happened with the Huns

[thorn lagoon]

Not if they assimilate and convert all those people

[dapper laurel]

It's not that simple, there are already many Arab immigrants in Israel who are replacing the "native" population in the major population centers

[thorny steeple]

Geopolitics is a very complicated to predict, so chill , wait and watch

[marsh robin]

U forgot to add 🇪🇺. These anti semitic people also must be converted to Judaism. We didn't forget how they tortured innocent Jews in the past 07

[dapper laurel]

And after Europe there will be the whole world

Because we are all goyims

Infidels

[thorny steeple]

pls men....stopped.....freed palestine and done a ceasefire soon....pls🇵🇸

[late atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/godblessamerica-america-usa-gif-1955659946067674628

[marsh robin]

https://tenor.com/view/palestine-palestine-flag-palestina-free-palestine-gaza-gif-7463938738516990166

[late atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/happy4th-of-july-fireworks-usa-gif-9187951295685163199

[hot bison]

Why would God bless America?

[feral river]

Happy 4th of july!

[late atlas]

Ahhh another Anti-american muslim..... Because America deserves it

[feral river]

🇺🇸

[hot bison]

What has America accomplished that constitutes anything that God would desire? Have you acted upon your own Bible? That is if we were to believe that your Bible is flawless. What have you done but to cause chaos and disruption in your foreign policies? In the recent decades. So why would God bless your country. Disregarding the individual perspective.

[feral river]

Technically yes but they can’t achieve that, all they can achieve is annex the Gaza Strip and West Bank

They are doing for it

[hot bison]

Laugh all you want. The truth remains still. unfazed.

[hot bison]

Im not anti American. I'm anti America. I have no problem with anyone individually.

[manic juniper]

Sinai deez nutz

[near jackal]

No nuts

[fathom birch]

Anyone serious their

?

[night cedar]

aloo, serious pepes

[thorny steeple]

yes men....in agreed so much...pls freed palestenien....🇵🇸

[raw verge]

Good morning guys

Good morning guys

[thorn lagoon]

Join h@mas if you cared that much

And, Armenian genocide is real

[thorny steeple]

yes thank for admit armenien genocide is real....thank u for supoorted us...🇦🇲 💛

[feral river]

That was just a massacre

[dapper laurel]

Did you hear about the rocket?

[feral river]

A massacre that Ottoman Empire against Russian Empire

Lmao

[feral river]

Nope

[thorny steeple]

men pls be a calmed down....dont be a toxical.... pls freed palestinien 🇵🇸

[thorn lagoon]

I can't free Palestine

[dapper laurel]

The Chinese rocket took off by mistake

[thorn lagoon]

Sorry

[feral river]

🇮🇱 Annexation of Palestine 🇺🇸

[feral river]

I didn’t hear that