🧠｜serious-chat

[velvet ridge]

No clue

[unique light]

They want you to learn English, maybe you're not good enough or they want you to become a teacher. Who knows?

[unique light]

You're a big thinker my lad.

[velvet ridge]

No way just I didn't know how to join to convo

[unique light]

Fair enough, just start by discussing the same thing.

Just reply with your opinion on a particular topic that's being discussed and tell why someone's right or wrong.

[kindred turret]

Can i get your gamertag

[velvet ridge]

Well cool

I started understand

[unique light]

If you're at a loss, just ask what they're discussing, start the conversation, happy days!

[velvet ridge]

Okay so what were you discussing

[unique light]

Religions and why there's no point/there's a point to believe in God.

I don't, I find it too complicated.

Makes no sense to me, if there wouldn't be a punishment for not believing, no one would ever believe in God.

Because why make your life more complicated, when you can fully enjoy it without having to deal with the rules that religion tell you not to break?

And most religious people can't give an answer to these questions, yet I haven't found one.

Most religious people have strong faith in God, they don't want to loose it, they've been spending years on studying it, why mess up your progress? And opinions of different people do change their opinions, they start delving deeper into their religion, finding some strange moments that have no explanation.

[velvet ridge]

Shiiiiii

[whole ruin]

They can't afford to accept reality

[unique light]

It's not about accepting something, it's about finding the point where you start to be unsure about what you're believing in.

[whole ruin]

They're tryna cope with their problems using religion.

[unique light]

That's exactly what egregor does: gives you feeling of protection, while using your energy

[whole ruin]

Egregor, who?

[unique light]

For instance, you'd have to pray many times if you're religious, it does use your energy a lot

[unique light]

It's an esoteric term.

[whole ruin]

I'm beginner my g

?define egregor

[cursive bobcat]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[unique light]

Wouldn't tell you are though.

[whole ruin]

?define esoteric

[cursive bobcat]

Word: esoteric

Definition (adjective): confined to and understandable by only an enlightened inner circle

Definition requested by felisdomesticus

[unique light]

Wrong spelling, my bad.

[whole ruin]

Ohhh

[unique light]

Well, either is correct.

Both egregor and egregore.

[whole ruin]

Ohoh

I see

[civic reef]

it gives people reassurance and something to rely on. Some have no support in other people. Some have no families, or broken families, little to no friends. Or they are severely ill or something. In such moments religion lets people believe at least in anything in their lives

[pure dew]

false hope

[civic reef]

you know, if they see a lack of harmony, a lot of troubles and difficulties, then it all is kinda like a mess. And religion shows them any harmony

Not necessarily false. Like, it itself is false from my perspective too, but sometimes it may help them right. Some people achieve great things or overcome addictions, diseases, because they "lied" to themselves so well. But it wotked

*worked

[unique light]

Despite knowing that many people will disagree, I still recommend watching Zeitgeist movie, you might watch the first part of the movie about religion, without proceeding to 9/11 events, which is in part two. And I say that many will disagree because I've watched this movie (All three of them) and their thoughts on some events may seem ridiculous to some people.

[velvet ridge]

What's the topic

[unique light]

Wanna discuss something in particular?

[velvet ridge]

Yes

Maybe

[unique light]

Do you have any topic you'd like to discuss with someone?

[velvet ridge]

Well I am not top on any topic cuz my whole life I was playing computer games so but I mean we can talk about religion or why trump is good for all of us

[unique light]

And why Trump is good for all of us?

[velvet ridge]

Because we can stop all the world war like Palestine - Israel
Russia Ukraine and etc

İt's good for economy and happy life

[unique light]

And how can he stop the Russian-Ukrainian conflict?

[velvet ridge]

He will stop to send guns to Ukraine

[unique light]

Who told you that?

[thorny steeple]

I'm the opposite

Speaking is my best ability

I developed reading later

[thorny steeple]

Because Democrats are p3dos just like Bill Clinton

[unique light]

If Russia is going to win this war, it well eventually lead to China-Taiwan conflict as well. Totalitarianism will become the main political system in the world.

[velvet ridge]

Maybe

[unique light]

Though, I'm pretty sure they won't win this war.

The conducive outcome would be the victory of Ukraine.

[unique light]

That's a serious accusation, but what's the evidence behind it?

[thorny steeple]

There are several evidences. There's a leaked document where Clinton firmly says that "he likes them young" and those are official

[unique light]

But what does it have to do with Democrats? It has to do with Clinton, not with all of them.

[cinder quartz]

Too bold an assumption

[unique light]

You can try to prove that I'm wrong.

[thorny steeple]

The last election that Trump won was against... Guess... Clinton's wife. Probably there are more people involved on that

[cinder quartz]

I don't want to prove anything, but I have questions

[unique light]

Ask them.

[cinder quartz]

How Russia’s victory in a local conflict will help the development of a totalitarian regime throughout the world (there is no totalitarianism in Russia)

[unique light]

But why do you think there's no totalitarianism in Russia?

[cinder quartz]

Because there is authoritarianism here

(I'm from Russia)

[unique light]

On paper, not in reality.

[cinder quartz]

On paper we have democracy, but in reality we have authoritarianism, where did you get the argument about totalitarianism?

We have free markets, freedom of movement, freedom of enterprise.

[unique light]

It works just like in the USSR: everyone who is against the government is persecuted, many are imprisoned, and you remain silent, claiming that there is no totalitarianism in your country. It worked exactly the same way under Stalin, when all those displeasing to the authorities were sent to the gulags. There's simply no freedom of speech in your country.

Take a large piece of paper and write something like "I'm against the government" and go for a little walk, I'm pretty sure you'll end up in jail the same day.

[cinder quartz]

Only because of this? Do you know what totalitarianism is or do you think that it is connected only with freedom of speech?

[unique light]

It doesn't have to do only with the freedom of speech, it's just an example.

[cinder quartz]

You gave an example of an authoritarian attitude towards undesirables; if people here are dissatisfied with something removed from politics, no one will be sent to prison

[unique light]

Russia is totalitarian because the president and his government control many aspects of life. The media is heavily censored, with little freedom for independent journalism. Political opposition is often silenced through imprisonment (Navalny). Public protests and free speech are restricted by strict laws. The judicial system often supports the government's agenda rather than being independent.

[cinder quartz]

Give examples of spheres of life controlled by the state here (except for the political sphere

You don’t know what totalitarianism is, I think you should at least google what it is

[unique light]

They control what's on TV and in newspapers. They own big companies like those in energy. Schools teach what the government wants. And they watch what people do online.

[unique light]

Maybe, but I'm not sure if you know either.

[cinder quartz]

The government does not control ALL television channels, only news ones. Schools don’t teach what the government wants, the textbooks are all the same, even if they were 20 years ago they’re identical now.

You only named aspects of the authoritarian regime

[cinder quartz]

Hahahah bro)

I asked you to name the definition, you didn’t answer anything other than “well, the channels are on TV and Navalny was killed”

[unique light]

As far as I know, Russian students have a subject called "Important things". They're basically talking about WWII victory, the modern conflicts and why everyone around are traitors to Russia.

It's a form of propaganda, shouldn't be a subject at school

[cinder quartz]

I am a Russian schoolboy, and, yes, we have such a subject, but what you said is complete nonsense

[unique light]

But you don't explain why, you just say it's nonsense.

You are defending your point, not trying to understand mine.

[cinder quartz]

Do you know what the last topic was in this lesson? "Nikolay Gogol - 215 years since birth " . Is this what you call propaganda?

[cinder quartz]

Because your point of view is “Russia is totalitarian because they told me so”

[unique light]

But does this mean that this subject isn't a form of propaganda?

[unique light]

But who told me so?

[cinder quartz]

You are confusing concepts, you described an authoritarian regime, but not a totalitarian one

[prisma cipher]

You probably listen some propaganda but not Russian one

[unique light]

Definitely not Russian propaganda.

[cinder quartz]

This is writer bro

In these lessons we are told about Russian culture

I don't know why you decided that this was propaganda

Yes - these lessons were made so that more people would love their homeland and know more about it, and I think that this is not bad

[unique light]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68550459

Don't they encourage you to become a soldier and fight against Ukraine?

[cinder quartz]

What's that

[unique light]

That explains everything.

[cinder quartz]

This is the first time I've seen a book like this

What is this school subject?

[unique light]

I've no idea, should've asked you, but you don't know either

[cinder quartz]

It says Russian Army In Defense of the Fatherland

[unique light]

I see.

[cinder quartz]

Most likely this is a social studies textbook for grade 11

I heard what was written there about the modern history of our time

[unique light]

Yep, for high school students to go to war just after finishing the school. Well done.

Would you fight against Ukraine yourself?

[cinder quartz]

This is a social studies textbook, not a recruiting script lol

[velvet ridge]

Hi

[unique light]

Hello

[velvet ridge]

What's the topic

[unique light]

Modern Conflict: Russia-Ukraine

[cinder quartz]

@velvet ridgeAust, have you seen such a book?

[unique light]

Would you fight against Ukraine yourself?

[cinder quartz]

What

[velvet ridge]

Нууу возможно новые

[unique light]

Would you become a soldier and go to Ukraine to fight against them?

[cinder quartz]

Я тоже думаю это обществознание за 11 класс

[prisma cipher]

The headline of this news is 100% propaganda. we don’t know what is written in this book and what purposes it serves, but the title clearly explains to us that this is a bad boo. It's not neutral news about book it's propaganda

[cinder quartz]

Bro💀💀💀💀

Ofc no

[unique light]

Who would've said.

[cinder quartz]

Этот бро реально думает что тоталитаризм это про свободу слова💀

[prisma cipher]

the same book in another country will be called patriotic education

But for Russia it urges to join army

[thorny steeple]

They'll have to

They have no choice

[unique light]

Same propaganda as in Russia.

[cinder quartz]

Whaaat I found a historical military book about the French army, does this mean that France is promoting joining its army

[thorny steeple]

Lol

[unique light]

And how does this book encourage you to join the army?

[velvet ridge]

@zealous egret agree?

[glad patio]

@thorny steeple Dia dhuit

[cinder quartz]

How will a social studies book motivate me to join the army??

[zealous egret]

for what

[glad patio]

yea

[velvet ridge]

@zealous egret

About this book

[thorny steeple]

I didn't ask you to send the picture of yours

But that's fine

[glad patio]

What about it?

[thorny steeple]

Try to guess

[glad patio]

I'm English and you're one of the Irish people that don't like us

[zealous egret]

I've never seen it before, need to look inside

[thorny steeple]

Well done

[cinder quartz]

Man whose name I can't even read, you got something confused

[glad patio]

Well don't dislike me, I obviously had nothing to do with that

[thorny steeple]

Fair

[thorny steeple]

Tf

[glad patio]

I actually want to visit Ireland one day

[thorny steeple]

Good on ya

[glad patio]

I knew someone who was from Galway

[thorny steeple]

Don't forget to visit Temple Bar

[glad patio]

not well though

[thorny steeple]

For a lovely pint of guiness for 9.50

[glad patio]

9.50???? damn

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[glad patio]

You use Euros, don't you?

[thorny steeple]

Great price, why don't you like it?

[thorny steeple]

We do

[glad patio]

I'm used to much cheaper prices, here a pint is like a fiver 🤣

[thorny steeple]

Well, that's all what you can expect

Temple bar is a tourist trap, that's the second name of it

[glad patio]

Idk what the currency difference is though

[thorny steeple]

Come with pounds so they can charge you a tenner

You're very welcome!

[glad patio]

If it's in Dublin, I've spoke to someone a while ago who said they went to Dublin and people don't care about the prices, they'll just keep drinking

[thorny steeple]

Dubliners are just different

[glad patio]

Thank you for the heads up!

[thorny steeple]

🩷

City of weirdos

[glad patio]

Is it true that people literally stay up all night at pubs?

[thorny steeple]

Ahh, idk

Some people do spend the whole night drinking

[glad patio]

It's funny, I would not be surprised in the slightest, the majority of folk songs are about drinking till the sun comes up 😆

[thorny steeple]

https://www.tiktok.com/@thisisdubln

This is dooblin

[glad patio]

Ah nice 🫡

[thorny steeple]

It should've been installed anywhere, but not in Dublin

[glad patio]

Omggg 😭🤣

[thorny steeple]

Oh lord. Not again with this buffoonery.

[glad patio]

What did she do?

[thorny steeple]

Idk

But she got arrested

So I think she did something inappropriate

[thorny steeple]

We know who was behind the 9/11 attacks. The dancing jews.

[glad patio]

She looks like the type of person to walk up to it and try to walk through it

[thorny steeple]

When will the straight pride parade start?

[thorny steeple]

Tomorrow

[glad patio]

"oh lord, not this buffonery"

[thorny steeple]

We need to celebrate the fact that we are straight.

[thorny steeple]

All kinds of gayness going on nowadays.

[glad patio]

Leftists mostly

[thorny steeple]

All kinds...

[glad patio]

I don't like them

[thorny steeple]

The best place to visit in Dublin

You need to see those tents

[glad patio]

Literally taking up a whole street, bruhh

[thorny steeple]

The Irish peacekeepers in south lebanon. what are they up to?

[thorny steeple]

The gays?

[glad patio]

The ones that give us a bad reputation

[thorny steeple]

Ask them

[worn bolt]

👀

[thorny steeple]

Moore St in Dublin, the worst place I've ever been to

When a woman has been created for a man to have pleasure and produce a family, some men still choose to make love to another man. Absolutely disgusting.

[glad patio]

Guilty

😂

[thorny steeple]

I saw your profile picture and thought you were one of the blue helmets.

[glad patio]

Well I'm not because I've never done it

[thorny steeple]

You mean flamers?

[glad patio]

I don't know what that is

[thorny steeple]

flamer - a gay man, especially one with an extravagantly flamboyant manner. (1st definition)

flamer - a person who directs a vitriolic or abusive message at someone on the internet or via email (2nd definition)

[glad patio]

2nd definition is true like if they just attack people then that gives us a bad rep

[thorny steeple]

Imagine if the English colonized it again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/05/14/peru-officially-classifies-trans-as-mentally-ill/

[glad patio]

People who dislike those are wrong, flamboyant men aren't the problem

Straight people have accused us of things which aren't true

I think pride parades are an issue too

[half creek]

I have to agree

[thorny steeple]

I applaud Peru for making this official.

[kindred turret]

Is it true that oil protesters get on road to do the protest

[half creek]

Generally it's message is not wrong, like equality for everyone and not making exceptions based on sexual orientation and gender identities

[thorny steeple]

Oil protesters

are

non-existent

In the middle east

[half creek]

But recently at some places the Pride Parade became somewhat provocative so it actually make more and more people resent against it

[prisma cipher]

It was always provocative

[thorny steeple]

That is why straight pride parades came about. All kinds of straight energy in those kinds of parades.

[half creek]

And it's not a good idea to represent an already somewhat resented community with a Parade that can annoy people further

[thorny steeple]

It's about time that we celebrate our heterosexuality.

[half creek]

Okay let's not go to the other extreme 😅

[prisma cipher]

when we start doing this, it means we have lost

[thorny steeple]

heterosexual-ness, if you even want to call it that.

[thorny steeple]

How so?

Hi

[half creek]

I don't think this should be a competition that could be lost and these two sides are against each other. We are all humans, and if something like this divide us, and we fight because of it then there is really no winner, because humans fought against humans for a stupid reason like who is attracted to whom

If humanity gets to a point, where straight people and lgbt+ people compete against each other, there is really no winner. Humanity lost there

[glad patio]

I mean you can dislike it all you want and not want us to be here but at the end of the day there are millions of us, you can get rid of us that easily

[half creek]

Well said

[glad patio]

Thank you

[prisma cipher]

I expected that you would react like this to the word lost, but this is a very capacious word, and I didn’t mean lost won situation, I meant if this happens, then we are vanishingly small and we need to fight for our rights

[half creek]

I get you

Hopefully there won't be an instance in the future where straight people should fight for their rights.

Because actually, no people should fight for their rights

Equality should be the norm

[glad patio]

That will never happen, straight people will never lose their rights

[half creek]

And there should not be need for parades for neither of the sides

[half creek]

Yeaaah, no doubt about that xdd

But if something like that were to happen, that would mean that gay people as well got so corrupt, that they'd become the very thing that previously took their rights away, which is hypocritical

[thorny steeple]

What we need to acknowledge first and foremost is that homosexuality is a major sin (in an Islamic point of view). And it can create a ton of issues. I shall list some reasons in a bit.

[half creek]

Everyone can believe what they want. I respect that your religion forbids homosexuality, as long as you respect that not everyone believe what you believe.

[thorny steeple]

1. Homosexuals go against the natural disposition (fitrah) which Allah has created in mankind.

2. The spread of homosexuality and lesbianism has caused man diseases which neither the east nor the west can deny exist because of them.

3. Homosexuality and lesbianism cause the breakup of the family and lead people to give up their work and study because they are preoccupied with these perversions.

[glad patio]

2 is so stupid

What disease? the disease of love?

[half creek]

Objectively homosexuality never hurt the stability of our society. Humanity won't get instinct because there are gay people. Homosexuality by itself never hurt a soul, only religion

[thorny steeple]

To be honest, what I found with most lgtvqadcdxyz+ is that you cannot be hostile with them when explaining the islamic point of view, you always have to reason with them and have discussions instead.

make them understand and so on.

arguments never work.

[half creek]

And for people who are not religious, your religious beliefs that say homosexuality is a sin are just empty words

[thorny steeple]

Mainly, AIDS.

[glad patio]

*LGBTQ if you're going to have a discussion at least be smart and not ignorant

[half creek]

AIDS spreads between straight people too

[thorny steeple]

Well if I did make a claim I have to back it up with evidence from the Quran.

[half creek]

You can use it as evidence, but that evidence is not evidence for us, who do not believe in the Quran

Neither the Bible (at least for me)

[thorny steeple]

What I meant is that they have a higher chance of getting it than straight couples.

[glad patio]

The Quran is more opinion

[thorny steeple]

So what you are indicating is that you are not open to taking other's point of view.

[thorny steeple]

Radiating some ignorant energy here, but it is understandable.

[half creek]

That's not because they are gay, that is because there is a stereotype that gay people fck around more than straight people, which is actually non sense. And even if the stereotype was true, if a straight person fooled around the same amount as a gay person, they'd have the same exact chance to get HIV

[thorny steeple]

I see

[thorny steeple]

The Quran is a revelation from God. Get it right.

[thorny steeple]

Yes I have heard that it is a rumor that spread like wildfire.

[half creek]

No, you are twisting my words. I AM open to taking your point of view, as I DID listen to your point of view. I just expressed that I do NOT agree with it, because I do not believe in what you believe, and I can't take anything as evidence that you say you BELIEVE in.

[glad patio]

God's opinion

[thorny steeple]

Commandments.

[half creek]

A thing that people believe is evidence is NOT always an evidence

[thorny steeple]

Understood. Maybe I misunderstood your responses.

[half creek]

It's alright

[thorny steeple]

True

[half creek]

I know we won't come to an agreement in this topic and we won't have to

[glad patio]

I really don't like that we can't

Talk about acceptance

[thorny steeple]

But, we still can agree to disagree and have a conversation

nothing stopping us from doing that atleast

[glad patio]

I didn't see this but I definitely agree, people see the wrong things and assume all LGBTQ people are like that

The majority of us keep ourself to ourself

[thorny steeple]

https://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/hiv-risk-in-gay-men

[half creek]

An important thing however that I believe EVERYONE should agree on is that everyone has their own belief systems, but more importantly we are human, therefore there's no such thing that someone deserves less rights because of how they look, how they were born and who they love

[thorny steeple]

This is an article I read about HIV chances being higher with gay couples.

[half creek]

Live and let live (there is a saying in my native language, i dont know if it makes sense like this)

[glad patio]

It does

What is your native language?

[half creek]

Hungarian

[glad patio]

ah nice

[thorny steeple]

One of my siblings live there haha.

[worthy aspen]

Hi

I'm new

Can you help me

[half creek]

Yes, but that is not because they are gay. It's because in the past when STDs were not taken into account gay people were the most sexually active and HIV became a major problem among the gay community. Ever since people but especially gay people got so much more cautious about STDs, and amount of HIV patents reduced greatly, but yes, still gay people tend to have sex with more people, therefore they are more likely to spread the virus. But that has nothing to do with homosexuality, rather with the nature of men

[half creek]

And I see you're from England

Niiice

[thorny steeple]

“And (remember) Lut (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn)?

Verily, you practice your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)’” [al-A'raf 7:80-81] -----> one of the verses in the Quran that refers to homosexuality.

[half creek]

I'm starting uni soon and I wanted to earn a scholarship in the UK, but it became sooo difficult ever since Brexit

[thorny steeple]

If you want I can provide other verses as evidence.

[thorny steeple]

UK is comprised of 4 nations. Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland.

[half creek]

Don't spend your time on that, like I said, I won't accept "evidences" from any holy books that cannot be scientifically proven

[thorny steeple]

Sure

[half creek]

I know

[thorny steeple]

Religion backs scientific evidence.

Is this thumbs up sign 👍 really disrespectful in Arab culture?

[thorny steeple]

Not sure about that.

[thorny steeple]

All I ever do is spend my time reading the Quran.

Even though I am agnostic myself, I still find that the religion of Islam makes a lot of sense.

[half creek]

Now I have doubts about that. Nothing you just quoted from the Quran against homosexuality was backed by science.

[thorny steeple]

I am sure that studies have been done on this matter.

I knew it.

[thorny steeple]

That cross beside your username checks out.

[half creek]

I meant that don't try to find evidences in the Quran in order to convince me, because you won't. At least not with the Quran

[thorny steeple]

I have to honour what I believe in.

[thorny steeple]

Not trying to convince you in any way.

[half creek]

We already agreed on that we won't be able to convince each other, therefore let's not continue doing that

[thorny steeple]

Again, I am not trying to convince you. simply providing proof from the Quran.

That's all.

Six more months of study and I'm pursuing my fluency in English.

[half creek]

Okay, sure you do

[thorny steeple]

I respect that.

[thorny steeple]

That sounds fantastic.

[thorny steeple]

Hopefully you will give your IELTS soon or some English proficiency test right?

[unique light]

Try ES FET one, it's difficult enough I'd say

[thorny steeple]

TOEFL did not go that well for me, but IELTS did.

[unique light]

Here's mine

Realistically, my level isn't even close to C2

But is still good enough I think

[thorny steeple]

Based on my grammar, my use of the language and my last few test (I got B2, nearly C1) on the English Score app by British Council. I can read almost any book I want rarely needing a dictionary. So I need one more step to reach what I'd call "fluency".
I still lack some words, most of them related to specific fruits, animal and objects which I will learn during these 6 months

[thorny steeple]

I will give it a try.

[unique light]

I reckon it's the best free one

Just make sure you take the 90 minute one

[thorny steeple]

Oh nice, I got C2 on reading but didn't want to do the listening part. This test is quite good but it gives everyone a very high level.

I mean, you need at least an 8.5 on reading and listening on IELTS to reach C2, a bit exaggerated (not saying this is your case)

[unique light]

Reading and listening were overly difficult for me, as I was worried, that led to some stress so I got C1 in both Reading and Listening, but I was close enough to C2

[thorny steeple]

Ielts?

[unique light]

Nah, just this es fet test, I took one yesterday to see where I'm at and I'd say I could've done better

[thorny steeple]

Why does your test show C2 tho

[unique light]

Because it shows you the mean of all results

[thorny steeple]

Oh ok, when I took it, it only had reading and listening

[unique light]

I was lucky to get 91/100 in writing because I had to write two emails and describe a room for renting it out. I was looking for one in real life and It was relatively easy for me to describe a room for an advertisement

[thorny steeple]

I'm gonna take it

[unique light]

Speaking depends on your mic, mine was good, but the website didn't feel like detecting it so I had to use the one that's in my laptop I presume

And I failed the "environmental changes"

Was a difficult topic to speak about

[umbral patrol]

How can I take that test?

[unique light]

Online for free, https://www.efset.org

[umbral patrol]

Okay

[torpid stream]

Is that accurate tho? I tried it and got c1 even though I'm still an intermediate

[unique light]

I was wondering if someone will mention it here. Yes, it's accurate, but only in case if you take the 90 minute test

[torpid stream]

Yeah i took 90 minutes test

[unique light]

Well

[torpid stream]

I took it last year

[unique light]

Try it now, I'd say it's pretty good for a free test

I wouldn't say that it accurately reflects your level of English

But it's close enough

Just take away one level, you got C1 so say your real level would be B2

[umbral patrol]

Test my English level??

[torpid stream]

I see

[unique light]

How do you mean?

[unique light]

Reading sucks

[torpid stream]

Fr

[thorny steeple]

I'm too nervous to try it, I might try it later tho

[unique light]

I mean it's free

[umbral patrol]

I mean I will take to know my English level??

[unique light]

I don't get it

[unique light]

You can retake it once in 90 days, but you can just use a different browser

[torpid stream]

They asking the point of taking the test.

[umbral patrol]

https://www.efset.org/
I am talking about that test

[unique light]

Yea, try it

[unique light]

Ahh, just to know where you're at

Because I've encountered loads of words I don't know throughout the test

[umbral patrol]

I took a free test from British consil to know my English level

[unique light]

It sucks

These are easy enough to get through

[umbral patrol]

Yeah, I took it from a long time

So that's why I am asking about that test

[unique light]

Gonna be way harder to get through than the British Council one

[umbral patrol]

Okay, I will try to take it

[umbral patrol]

Do you know busuu application ?

[unique light]

Nah, I've never used it

[torpid stream]

Accurate English tests usually cost money, this world is too p2w😞

[thorny steeple]

It doesn't, actually its results are more accurate than those from EFset

[unique light]

That sucks as I don't want to spend 200 euro on a test

[unique light]

That's now how I see it, but okay, I'll try.

[umbral patrol]

I took it and it told me that I am upper intermediate

[torpid stream]

But I have to, if I want to get into college or work

[umbral patrol]

I am talking about the British council test

[jolly agate]

Aint you dead

[mystic harbor]

We will all be at some point

[jolly agate]

Thats not What I said

anyway

[mystic harbor]

Doesn’t matter the fact still stands

[jolly agate]

Truth isn’t a fact, It may include fact

but it’s different

[mystic harbor]

Meh i am not a hindu so i thunk everyone will be dead one day

[jolly agate]

Bro couldn’t understand me

[mystic harbor]

Maybe becuase i am drunk

Or becuase i do not kniw

Whi knows

Please don’t

[covert quiver]

Well reasearch has been done which shows men who have sex with men (MSM), have higher and longer rates of partner acquisition, and have higher rates of use of condoms during anal sex with other men vs men who have sex with women vaginally. Unfortunately there is still a higher rate of HIV when looking at MSM vs MSW, purely on the male side. When it comes to females who have sex with men there’s substantial evidence which shows they have one of the most prolific rates of HIV (mostly undiagnosed) due to confirmation bias and optimism biases.

TLDR Bi-Gay men have more sex and higher proportion of HIV cases

Yet they use condoms more and women don’t get diagnosed enough hence caveats

Oh and source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3334840/

It’s peer reviewed with other concurrent studies listed, I won’t use sources from think groups or magazine that use anecdotal evidence

[covert quiver]

This is an article not a study and it uses anecdotal information and one medical professional for “medically reviewed”. So it’s a shit source. It also assumes the answer it it’s title and never proposes a question or line of logic.

Word to the wise never use these resources if you’re a STEM major writing a paper lol. It will end badly

[covert quiver]

Also it’s a broad amalgamation of conformity and survival biases. We have to step back and ask can the reason these statements are such be due to lack of testing in general, assumptions that individuals who are heterosexual will always practice monogamy, were the individuals subjected to questions before potential testing being transparent and truthful. It’s a bitch but you have to take every account into factor. So I agree with the dismissal of such an anecdotal claim but on different grounds.

[covert quiver]

Instead of the word “proof” use “contextual definition” since it’s not something under the auspices of proof. No religious book falls into that category.

Or “textual backing”

[half creek]

Thanks for sharing your thougths

Glad someone actually did the research, I admit I somewhat drew my own conclusions of why HIV is still more present among gays. But definitely not because of their homosexuality 😂

[primal palm]

What topic are we discussing?

[slim fjord]

Maxwell's theory

[primal palm]

I come from Asia.

[slim fjord]

Me too

[turbid river]

interesting

[feral river]

I tend to the viewer who had read that statistics are thinking the statistics they see is what they want to see, and almost there is no statistics with full proof like the proof of tested individual, proof of no cheating on the statistics, that’s literally unreasonable

Even some statistics made up by following the steps in those factors but their objective results are biased by the viewer who seen this statistic literally proofed they are in favor of it

I would say generalizing is the human’s nature, it’s a survival skill which is needed in ancient days you have to know what species are danger, what fruits you can eat, etc.

[covert quiver]

The word statements was auto corrected to statistics

I never meant to say statistics

[rotund cave]

hi

how can I exchange my icon beginner to other

[thorn lagoon]

https://x.com/InfraHaz/status/1798436630140764496

Haz Al-Din 🇷🇺 (@InfraHaz) on X

🚨🇰🇵 South Korea has been blasting annoying K-POP on loud speakers toward North Korea as a form of propaganda.

North Korea has retaliated by sending 3500 balloons filled with 15 TONNES of TRASH to the South.

Now that's what I call an equal exchange!

Twitter · Jun 5, 2024, 7:28 PM

LMAO

china and north korea should liberate south korea from american occupation

[haughty forge]

Go to id:customize

[astral pagoda]

Is there any topic to discuss

dead chat

[thorny steeple]

I am not a STEM major so I don't know. Thanks for the advice anyways.

[covert quiver]

Well if you have any STEM classes, Science classes, or pysch or phillosphy classes it would also stand true.

[wraith sorrel]

Hello I'm new here I came here to Improve my English , feel free to DM me if you want to have a chat!

[night cedar]

do u want me to dm u son ?

[wraith sorrel]

YES !

[vapid hare]

I didn't know you had a son lucifer

[unique light]

Lucky me. I wasn't meeting most of the requirements, but I got in to the college without any problems. I don't even meet their age requirements.

And some are required to take some English tests, prove something etc. to get into a college/university.

One of my college mate was told that he either has to finish the "Communication module", which we don't have on our course, of take an English test and prove that his level of English is B2+

Just to get in to the University.

In to or into, correct me. I remember I saw "into" in one of the tests, but in to just sounds better.

[thorny steeple]

Maybe, who knows?

Hello 👋🏻

Is there a programmer here?

@fallow ridge

[static pivot]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

[fallow ridge]

What?

[thorny steeple]

Ntg

[thorny steeple]

Yeah maybe.

[thorny steeple]

The new pfp is way better

[coral belfry]

Question what will end society first
Nuclear disaster
Global warming
a Pandemic?
Capitalism

[thorny steeple]

Tf lad

[amber onyx]

Is this what cats think about all day? Heavy

[unique light]

🧐

[thorny steeple]

Agreed.

[thorny steeple]

What's wrong?

[thorny steeple]

Thanks a million!

🇺🇳

[unique light]

🧐

[thorny steeple]

St Benedict protects my soul

“Brothers and companions, let us follow the sign of the Cross with true faith and in it we shall conquer.” quote from Hernan Cortez @dapper laurel

[manic juniper]

Mammalian vices

[warped frigate]

does anyone playing LOL how system mmr works? like dota2 tbd too?

[jolly agate]

Mashallah

[jolly agate]

Third gender

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[astral pagoda]

UN

[coral belfry]

your name is similar to mine

[astral pagoda]

let me guess
you are "mohamed nasir"?

[coral belfry]

yep

nasr not nasir

[astral pagoda]

i'm honoured to know you

[astral pagoda]

so we are exactly the same

[coral belfry]

yep

[astral pagoda]

I'm here to discuss hot topics

let's talk about gaza

[coral belfry]

caution: this conversation may lead to loss of faith in humanity and anger , and the info we will share here is mostly confirmed by the Palestinian people

okey were do we start ....

[astral pagoda]

will us invade holand if the national police managed to arrest israilie president?

[coral belfry]

you mean the Netherlands
i dont think so

[astral pagoda]

I forgot how to spell it

[astral pagoda]

they have a law that allows them to do so

[coral belfry]

whaaat do you mean
the us invading the NL
or the israilie being arrested

[astral pagoda]

us will invade nl after arresting israilie president

[coral belfry]

short answer : no

[astral pagoda]

the only problem they face is how to invade a country in the middle of europe

[feral river]

Gaza province of State of Israel ?

Well not really yet but it’s already gonna happen

[astral pagoda]

does israel have the control over it?

[feral river]

Part of it

[astral pagoda]

You know the future news

fortuneteller or what

[feral river]

I know that you can believe me or not 😂

Who cares ? Even I don’t care

[astral pagoda]

Israel president is gonna be arrested before he does so

[feral river]

By Israel ?

🤣

[astral pagoda]

so why did you interfere in the chat if you don't care?

[astral pagoda]

what happened to the president of serbia?

[feral river]

Why can’t I and i just regularly express my concern about the situation

[coral belfry]

sadly this is true

[feral river]

So you think Serbia is Israel ?

[astral pagoda]

okay no problem but how come you say you don't care after expressing your opinion?

[astral pagoda]

what do you think?

[feral river]

Yeah I don’t care that why can’t I have my opinion on it 😂

[astral pagoda]

do you know what happened in Bosnia and Herzegovina?

[feral river]

I know but are they Israel ?

[astral pagoda]

You don't care about the entire topic after giving your pov

[astral pagoda]

worse

[feral river]

Oh really ? That’s your narrative right now

Using your narrative to generalize my care

Really awesome

[astral pagoda]

[feral river]

I will see what you want to do

[feral river]

😂

[astral pagoda]

where are you from?

[feral river]

Where are you from ?

[astral pagoda]

egypt

[feral river]

China

[astral pagoda]

china is the same as serbia in the western part of china

so is india

[amber onyx]

Wow. This server is just very troubled. In the "Is Christianity True" chat it's just a casual thing when people drop in and proclaim murder. I'm not sure if this is a safe or healthy environment that I would recommend for young people.

[astral pagoda]

Yes
young people shouldn't be composed to these arguments

[feral river]

Bro you really need to check what you have said

“china is the same as serbia in the western part of china”

What are you talk about?

[astral pagoda]

Your country is the same as israel
that's why you're defending israel

[coral belfry]

Chinese genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang

[astral pagoda]

Us threatens to invade the Netherlands if they do anything to Americans or their allies
The world is controlled by power, not UN agreements.

[coral belfry]

wait i never heard about that
oh no

[astral pagoda]

Now you know

the national court proved they can do nothing against great nations

They don't have real permissions when it comes to america
Even America threans to punish their staff and judges

[coral belfry]

my reaction rn:
what the f*k

[astral pagoda]

I wish they all turn gays so they stop produce

and disappear from the existence

america is lucifer

[coral belfry]

yep

[astral pagoda]

they are having a hot discussion about christains but i can't understand their entire argument

[coral belfry]

caution: f$ck these politicians
i hope they all go to الدرك الاسفل

[coral belfry]

everyone will die sooner or sooner
and they all will meet their creator

[astral pagoda]

Our victims are in the heaven
theirs are in hellfire

[coral belfry]

inshallah

[formal pilot]

Why it looks bigger than usual

[mild scarab]

Hello, everyone

I'm come back

How are you, chat?

[feral river]

“Your country is the same as Israel” bro that’s what you said

Don’t you think it’s funny 😂

[feral river]

False accusation committed

[manic juniper]

It's longer than my index

And chomk

[still condor]

minecraft is maybe the biggest game already created

[formal pilot]

I'm not familiar with this American Metric System

[manic juniper]

No Man's Sky

[still condor]

you crazy

[manic juniper]

There are over 18 quintillion planets

[thorn lagoon]

fake genocide

[coral belfry]

are you sure
if you are
bring the proof

[feral river]

You are the one who making accusations and you are asking me for proof 🤣

My friend in Xinjiang sent me this photo

very xinjiang

[formal scaffold]

classic chinese cuisine you don't know what you are in for it and what kind of animal you are munching on

[coral belfry]

idk what is going on there i dont even live in China

i just take info from One of the reputable newspapers

[dapper laurel]

What were they eating?

[dapper laurel]

Western propaganda

[marsh robin]

F@@@ off how can u say it's fake

[coral belfry]

Most of the time

[marsh robin]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

[dapper laurel]

@feral river

[marsh robin]

😂 I'm not American or European and u can't dodge everything like that

Than there's no Holocaust it's Jewish propaganda 🧐🤔

[dapper laurel]

I was joking

[marsh robin]

Listen to Uyghur people then decide...

[dapper laurel]

I'm anti China

[marsh robin]

I just commented what I saw then ok

[hot bison]

Discord it's self isn't really considered a healthy environment to begin with. Like father like son😂. Like app like server. But as far as I know this server is fine. Although I haven't checked the entire server.

[hot bison]

Might as well make the u.n obidece act on January first😂😂

[thorny steeple]

Muslim hue chinese food. I wish to visit that part of china someday.

nah china is acturally not bad except politics and education

[coral belfry]

and of course social credit systems

[versed rain]

We dont like and want china and russia. Maybe we can be friend with russia but never china

A country that is in a bad position between both America and Russia must pursue a policy of balance in order to regulate its future. But that's not all:(

No!

[thorny steeple]

btw is this is a chat for topics like this

[versed rain]

@dapper laurel @thorny steeple btw this news turned out to be false. Hakan fidan did not have such a speech. Fake news in the media. I'm very happy about that.

[versed rain]

Hello, do turks look more like arabs than europeans?

[thorny steeple]

im not turks

[coral belfry]

no they are Asian

[versed rain]

As a majority, it's true. I didn't understand what there was to laugh at. I also didn't ask if we were Europeans. because it is not the majority.

[dapper laurel]

I'm really happy that BRICS hasn't extended their influence

[versed rain]

Are Turks more like Arabs or Greeks?

[thorny steeple]

turks are like turks

[thorny steeple]

True

definitely not greeks

[versed rain]

We don't want. Everyting turns on Erdogan's finger.

[coral belfry]

wrong emoji , i miss clicked

[versed rain]

where are u from?

[thorny steeple]

I refuse to answer

[coral belfry]

true

[versed rain]

arabia?

Yes or no?

[thorny steeple]

Do not even try to guess. I refuse any questions like that

[versed rain]

thanks

[dapper laurel]

This is the report from Myheritage, a company that examines DNA samples

They are a mix

[versed rain]

28 percent mostly about southeastern region

[versed rain]

Because Eurasia

[dapper laurel]

Maybe the Aegean Turks can be similar to the Greeks, you were united under the same rule for many years

The Roman, Byzantine, Ottoman empires

[versed rain]

I live in Marmara. Frankly, the Central Anatolia region is not like the Greeks at all, but I went to Greece and did not see the difference with the place I live.

[dapper laurel]

Do you mean by people's facial features?

[versed rain]

yep, hairs, face features

This is the case in the Aegean, Marmara and southwest region

[dapper laurel]

Greeks also have a lot of DNA from the Levant

[versed rain]

Previously, there was a Trabzon Pontus Greek State in Turkey. So in trabzon.

[dapper laurel]

Literally you had the same dominations and emigrations

[versed rain]

That is, the eastern black Sea region

[dapper laurel]

Let me check something for a moment

[versed rain]

Frankly, I can never compare myself with the Turks in Central Asia. Compared to the country as a whole. Objectively.

[dapper laurel]

I forgot to translate the page, but it should be understood

This is for the Greeks

It is quite similar with the Turkish type

The interesting thing is that they also have some Northern European DNA

[versed rain]

i have to leave.

I will reply u soon

[versed rain]

Could it be that the soldiers who came with the Crusades were settled?

[dapper laurel]

I think it's due to slave migrations during ancient Greece

Checking, I saw that Turks have more Eastern European DNA than Greeks

But I don't know how accurate this site can be

[versed rain]

Sure

I have seen a lot of nuns in Greece, but there are not so many in Turkey.

I think Greece is a more faithful country than Turkey

fraud?

<@&852814479569059840> There are advertisements

[whole beacon]

@thorny steeple no self promotion plz

[spring zephyr]

Done and dusted.

[versed rain]

🙂

[sour kernel]

Hello

[versed rain]

hi

[manic juniper]

They look more like Levantine Arabs and some southeastern Europeans

Europeans are 750 millions I believe, some look nothing like Turks because they live far from the Mediterranean Sea

[thorny steeple]

Turks look like Greeks to my conception

[feral river]

hummm chickens ? idk

[feral river]

hope you will have a good time in China !

you can almost access any food in China there is no food limit

you can eat pork, beef, donkey, dogs, cats, and even most insects including roach etc

and they are limitlessly cheap

or you can just grab a bird and cook it, well that's allowed in some places

but I don't recommend you to do this I suggest to buying consumption in the field which under the regulation of the government to ensure your health safety.

[worn bolt]

👀

[dapper laurel]

Can you also eat human flesh?

[feral river]

technically yes, you can eat your own flesh

that's the only legal human flesh

[dapper laurel]

Then I will try it when I go to China

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I shall try the beef and chicken dishes, and seafood. and stay away from forbidden stuff.

[crisp sky]

Where do I find US guys?

[night cedar]

there is one

[crisp sky]

Where? 🧐

[night cedar]

hmm

@formal pilot

FBI came looking for u dude

are u there

[crisp sky]

Why FBI?

[night cedar]

ur FBI

nice try

i won't fall for that

[crisp sky]

What do you mean?

[versed rain]

Bulgarians also like Levantine Arabs. But i cannot say no for ur reply. We look like some Europeans, we're not Arabs either. If we were to resemble each other, we would resemble the Greeks, and the people of Central Anatolia are a little more like the Levantine Arabs than Greeks.

[crisp sky]

?

I don't actually understand

[night cedar]

u're trying too hard

[night cedar]

u're not American then

[crisp sky]

Then is there any easier way make such friends?

[crisp sky]

Ofc I'm not American

[night cedar]

hmm

[night cedar]

don't know

[amber onyx]

Oof, I think one of the more exhausting qualities in this server is that chats/discussions that make any sense tend to end up being kind of heavy and negative, often also antagonizing, i.e. a match about who is right, who is wrong

[pure dew]

no common ground

[versed rain]

@manic juniper , if i say a type of person, it would be Erdogan. Erdogan's hair was dark in his youth, because he is from eastern Turkey. But as he got older, his hair lightened. The appearance of the Aegean, the Mediterranean region of Turkey, the Marmara region are exactly the same as the Greeks as young or old. Central Anatolia and the Black Sea, on the other hand, are like Erdogan, brunette in their youth but auburn haired as they get older. In the southeastern region, there is not much difference with Syria and Iraq.

[manic juniper]

You're talking about phenotype, phenotypes are the external appearance which is highly variable, I was talking about genotype

Besides Arabs have different origins, the ones I've mentioned used to be Phoenicians and Philistines, not Arabs

[manic juniper]

Of course, we also have people that look more like Scandinavians and even cluster with them genetically speaking, but the average Finn has Finnic ancestors, the average Turk belongs to southeastern Europe, Anatolia and people of the Levant

There are still exceptions, people that probably cluster closer to Greeks, others closer to Arabs

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-coffin-just-woke-up-wwe-gif-5289384

[manic juniper]

By the way colours aren't really good indicators of relationship or ancestry, blonde people exist in the Middle East, China, Europe, North Asia... Many of them are barely related

[night cedar]

lol u came

[versed rain]

yep

@manic juniper, greeks are quite similar to Turks with blood similarty

[manic juniper]

Yes, they were even more in the past but they have less Anatolian ancestry now

[versed rain]

May change from region to region

[manic juniper]

Cypriot Greeks maybe are more similar to Turks since they stayed isolated from mainland

[versed rain]

Yeah, it can be

[manic juniper]

There are mainly two Turkish populations

A western coastal one, and another that is also western but more inland and that is more similar to the rest of Anatolia except eastern Anatolia (that's too mixed)

The western one can be compared to Greeks and Levantine people while the other is more similar to the countries on the eastern borders

[versed rain]

In terms of genetic similarity, yes

<@&852814479569059840> advertisement

[thorny steeple]

Dealt ✅

[versed rain]

uh sorry

[spring zephyr]

Done and dusted.

[versed rain]

that is not an advertisement

uh

[spring zephyr]

Can i ban you now?

[versed rain]

no please, i only improve my English

when i see a link preview, i thinked it was a advertisement

[thorny steeple]

Colour is the genetic trait that changes the fastest. Argentinians, for instance, didn't use to be as white as they are nowadays, but their black population was killed due to wars, diseases and some projects at the 19th century that didn't allow black women to have children

Unfortunately

[whole ruin]

Colorism plays a major role in that

[thorny steeple]

At the 19th century, it used to be even worse

[manic juniper]

If Greeks changed compared to the past it's because of the influx of foreigners like Slavs and Italians

[whole ruin]

Hmm, ig you're a historian?

[manic juniper]

Armchair historian maybe

Nah I think most Europeans know that, at least those that come from those countries. The Slavic migrations were a big event

[gaunt bronze]

Whoaaa

A lot of immigration is happening rn and some diasporas especially, do you think maybe there's going to be shifts in appearances or whatever..?

Especially for countries that rely on some immigration, like mine!!

[thorny steeple]

Oh yea, the UK

[manic juniper]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

And what do you think of it?

[manic juniper]

It already happened in Sweden because of Finnish immigrants in the 90s

Many Swedes have Finnish backgrounds nowadays

[whole ruin]

That's not it, I felt you discuss topics with much more precise descriptions.

[gaunt bronze]

There will be changes (there already are a lot)

[manic juniper]

I have a stupid memory, it isn't anything impressive in my opinion

[thorny steeple]

How do you mean?

[manic juniper]

It's stupidly large

[thorny steeple]

"There will be changes", of course there will be

They either make things better or make things worse

[gaunt bronze]

More representation of people of colour, or other nations, and i'm sure that over time what the "average canadian" wil llook like will change bc of these diasporas

[manic juniper]

I wish Estonian immigrants were more so they could influence our appearance

[gaunt bronze]

In Canada, there is a sense of vulnerability, however

[thorny steeple]

So are you from Canada?

[gaunt bronze]

The "Canadian Identity" is very fragile, yk! and having powerful diasporas in this country means people will interpret it as harming our identity, or embracing it further

[manic juniper]

Is it true that those of European descent are less than 50% in USA now?

[gaunt bronze]

yes!

[gaunt bronze]

i doubt it's that low

but it's probably not far from that!

[thorny steeple]

Jaysus, thought I'm talking with someone from the UK

[gaunt bronze]

in history class, the final question

the penultimate question--besides whatever the teacher decides in the end--is: "what is the Canadian Identity?"

I had to write a whole essay on it and explain it through Canadian independence and conflicts 😭

[gaunt bronze]

Oops-

[thorny steeple]

I mean...

The Queen

[manic juniper]

59% apparently

My grandma is one year older than her

[gaunt bronze]

Ok thats my fault i shouldve explained 😭

[thorny steeple]

There are over 35 million Irish in the US, while only 5 million live in Ireland

[manic juniper]

The power of birth rates and genocide

[gaunt bronze]

3 of my 4 grandparents are younger than her reign

[thorny steeple]

Nah, the only problem was the UK

[gaunt bronze]

her reign + 2 yrs

[manic juniper]

Well yes for both of those

[gaunt bronze]

Oh- the english did some horrible things to ireland

[sage lagoon]

Hello guys , who can help me , it will take 5 minutes very importand for me

[thorny steeple]

Help you with what?

[sage lagoon]

Add me as a friend

[thorny steeple]

Bruv...

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Interchange
Probably the largest scale immigration that I know of

[gaunt bronze]

That mustve hurt

[whole ruin]

Is this due to continental drift?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[gaunt bronze]

We'll have to deal with it tooo

If we're still around 🤷‍♀️

[whole ruin]

Prolly after thousands of years. We all would be dead

[jolly agate]

maybe

[grave kestrel]

This chat out of control

[storm talon]

hi

[dense hill]

Hi

[static pivot]

Hello

[opal oasis]

my mom has a friend that has a daughter, i heard she is 3... its time to go beserk on her like a freak

[jolly agate]

Bro tryna be like Drake

No he tryna surpass him

[static pivot]

@jolly agate what's up with drake issue

[thorny steeple]

The issue will be solved when you look between a and o on your keyboard...

[solar patrol]

tryna... what does tryna mean?

i really want to know about it

[verbal torrent]

Trying to

[solar patrol]

thanks

[verbal torrent]

Your welcm

[static pivot]

I told you

Kitchen

🥰

[verbal torrent]

Chup

🥰

[thorny steeple]

tschüss dear😘

[astral pagoda]

Why western media stopped talking about Russia? Because they are using same excuses as Israel
Oppression is not only in Palestine. I don't think any chinese, indian, etc will support palestine because of their racism against muslims.

[vivid sinew]

Personally, I believe that both are in the wrong, and they need to learn how to co-exist with each other

[astral pagoda]

I found an mcq question and personally I believe that all answers are wrong. The answers need to co-exist with each others.

Can I ask a question?

[vivid sinew]

sure

[thorny steeple]

Strongly agree

[astral pagoda]

Where are you from? As an Egyptian, we study the ps-is conflict in history subject. What about your country? Do they teach you that conflict? Did you study the roots of that conflict?

[astral pagoda]

I just don't like when people say " All are wrong". So what is the truth?

[thorny steeple]

I agree with u brother

Oppression should be stop an oppressed can't be blamed for a war

[vivid sinew]

okay, so i was born in scottland, and have lived in america for all of my schooling. I am still not in any courses that have discussed it. But I have learnt about the history very breefly and informally with a teacher. with their biased oppion. but i have not yet learned about it nor the roots of the conflict. I do believe that they may teach the roots in world history

[astral pagoda]

I know everything from Theodor Herzl until now.
We are neighbors of Israel. They invaded Sinai in 1967 after 19 years of "No peace, no war". They killed many people and bombed a children school"Ba7r-elbaqar". We could restore sanai but it was with many conditions that make life there "a part of our country" very difficult.

[thorny steeple]

@astral pagoda
Why whole world is against Palestine?

[vivid sinew]

in america it seems that it is the opposite

[astral pagoda]

I don't think so.
How many countries that refused to recognize palestine as a country ? 10

[thorny steeple]

Ok, so is world supporting Palestine over israel?

[astral pagoda]

yeah
like how democracy doesn't work there when it comes to israel.
What happened in the universities must make you have doubts about them. Who accually rules America when america can be critisized but israel can't be?

[thorny steeple]

But America stopped funding of iron dome

[vivid sinew]

its not the government its the people for the most part that i know

[astral pagoda]

This is a different case.
They support the rights of ps people. They didn't mention the conflict.

[astral pagoda]

Government is led by Israel.

[thorny steeple]

Is'nt American government democratic? My dear friend

[vivid sinew]

one would think but with all things in america its all about who has the most money

and who is a white man

[thorny steeple]

Hm, we support their rights

[astral pagoda]

So white men support israel?

[thorny steeple]

Who knows the relligion of that white man 😄. Hope u understand the indication.

[astral pagoda]

Most of protesters are white though.

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[vivid sinew]

i feel like this problem is so very complex it would take so many years for it to resolve.

[thorny steeple]

They just protest for juice sir . They love to drink juice.

[astral pagoda]

US democratic media
that must be what morgan said on bbc

[thorny steeple]

Problem will permanent until juice industry want . Because Americans loves to drink juice sir.

[astral pagoda]

No, it's not that complex. Just make israel stop bombing camps, hospitals and schools. Their target is the civilians.

Fact: Jouranlist killed in is-ps war are more than all of journalist killed in ww2.
However, ww2 lasted more.

[thorny steeple]

@astral pagoda hope u are understanding the indication . Well majority indians like mango juice. 🤣

[astral pagoda]

Their media made me have doubts if they are worse than Egypt's.

[thorny steeple]

Who's?

[astral pagoda]

America media may be worse than Egypt media.
They change their opinions every 12 hours. What we hear in the morning is the opposite of what we hear in the evening in egypt.

[thorny steeple]

Juice effect saar

[vivid sinew]

yep

[thorny steeple]

Drink juice everyday it's healthy

[vivid sinew]

ill drink water i dont like juice

[astral pagoda]

Recently, they killed 2 egy solidies by MISTAKE.

We have a peace agreement though. A peace agreement? who cares? They invaded rafah even though it's egyptian and this was against the agreement

[thorny steeple]

Don't be angree brother drink mango juice 🤣

[astral pagoda]

Israel is the cancer in the middle east. Thet are not just having problems with ps

[vivid sinew]

Does mango juice solve all problems?

[astral pagoda]

We will drink our blood

[thorny steeple]

Btw, nice to meet u

I am syoraan, from india

[astral pagoda]

Me too

[astral pagoda]

I'm mohammed nasr, Egyptian.

[thorny steeple]

Mashallah, nice name

[vivid sinew]

im peter from america

[astral pagoda]

Nice to know you

[vivid sinew]

you too!

[astral pagoda]

You deserve a white heart, white man

[vivid sinew]

ok

you get a red heart beacuse on the inside we are all the same

[rare stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kermit-frog-dancing-dance-gif-16739364

[thorny steeple]

No, he deserves mango juice

[vivid sinew]

everyone should get mango juice

[night cedar]

ya

[thorny steeple]

hey everyone, I want to improve my English speaking skill, any help would be appreciated 🙂

[vivid sinew]

hii

[faint monolith]

https://ripsimohanty.blogspot.com/

check it out you'll love this

[marsh robin]

Gm y'all

[shut parrot]

Talk to people

[unique light]

Great!

[lime jolt]

Opinions on my pfp chat

[slim fjord]

Horizontal face pfp

[feral river]

I see you guys launching terrorist attack against our state in Xinjiang, starting invasion against Israel in Oct 7, 911, ISIS, AI-Qaeda, European immigration crisis

I don't like to mention that much because we all know what you guys exactly did

[astral pagoda]

Can you join vc right now?

Just hear me if you don't wanna open mic

[feral river]

so the global power leaders elected by their citizens decided to fund Israel, support Israel, give weapons to them, to eliminate the enemies

that's what they are always doing and they won't stop

which vc

[astral pagoda]

2.3

[safe crescent]

Brah everytime i hope on this chat

the only topic ur discussing is politics

[thorny steeple]

Can Mikey beat Jake in November? @safe crescent

[velvet ridge]

Hi what's the topic

[safe crescent]

Ofc

[thorny steeple]

Boxing

[safe crescent]

well im not a fan of boxing but i like it at a certain lvl

old boxing was great!

[velvet ridge]

Mike Tyson the best

[safe crescent]

Muhammad Ali was the greatest!

[thorny steeple]

Do you think Max Hollway is the best boxer in UFC?

[rose eagle]

Mikey 1 kick🤣 🤣

[thorny steeple]

LOL

[safe crescent]

I agree that Max Holloway is an exceptional boxer in the UFC

[thorny steeple]

And?

[safe crescent]

but cant say "best" for sure

[rose eagle]

Sano Manjiro > Mike Tyson

[velvet ridge]

Is he 😁

[safe crescent]

If we talk about "Best" then the name "Khabib" comes into my mind

[thorny steeple]

Who's the best in the world according to you?

[thorny steeple]

McGregor forever

[trim kelp]

Ufc is my cup of tea. Max is definitely the best boxer in the ufc at the moment.

[thorny steeple]

hello guys, all good?

[safe crescent]

well Khabib won !

[thorny steeple]

i am new in this group

[safe crescent]

Khabib has an undefeated record in the UFC, with 25 wins and no losses

[trim kelp]

And some big names on their like Gaehtje, Dustin, Conor

[thorny steeple]

They just wanted to give Khabib farewell soon...

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[trim kelp]

Mcgregor vs Khabib was probably Mcgregors worst fight ever

[thorny steeple]

Who's your favorite in lightweight?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[trim kelp]

He sold the fight well, but got demolished inside the octagon

[safe crescent]

a fan would definitely say that !

[trim kelp]

Of all time or current?

[thorny steeple]

Both

[thorny steeple]

😕

[trim kelp]

All time has to go to Khabib imo

Best rn is Islam Makhachev

[thorny steeple]

C'mon man

[safe crescent]

c

im not the only one

[thorny steeple]

Dustin is cool

[trim kelp]

Dustin definitely underappreciated

[thorny steeple]

Yup

[trim kelp]

Dustins resume is something to be scared of. That dudes a warrior

[thorny steeple]

His fight with Holloway was crazy

[trim kelp]

Every Dustin fight is top tier imo

Dudes deffo not a boring dude in the octagon

[thorny steeple]

What 'bout Diaz brothers

[safe crescent]

hes but Dustin lacks maturity in certain areas, such as his unclear speech and mis-articulation of words

[trim kelp]

Nick diaz was robbed of a career.

Nate on the other hand is a G

But Nick is better than Nate imo, cuz Nate fights a little odd

[safe crescent]

ok gtg im reading a book

[thorny steeple]

We can say that... but the intensity he brings in the octagon is always on top

[thorny steeple]

He's fight with Conor and Edwards

[trim kelp]

Nate couldve got Edwards, instead he got the hardest pic ever which is respectable

Nate probably has the scariest 1-2 combo in the UFC

[thorny steeple]

Yup

Also dudes gangsta

[trim kelp]

Real

Adds power fr

[thorny steeple]

Yup

[trim kelp]

But my favourite ufc fighter of all time is GSP

[thorny steeple]

Did you watch his recent shi-

[trim kelp]

Im the biggest GSP fanboy there is

[thorny steeple]

BRUV

[trim kelp]

Nah I dont watch too much nowadays, busy with school n work n all

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-bros-bro-code-dude-bro-hug-gif-15039924

[trim kelp]

WHAT BRUV

[thorny steeple]

GSP

[thorny steeple]

Ah

[trim kelp]

Baddest and nicest guy in the UFC, dude sounds like a nice guy but is a killer fr 💀

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

What else we've got?

[safe crescent]

Did you guys know the longest poker game was lasted about 8 years (skull emojis)

[rose eagle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z0uMgpZ7UE

Vietnamese fishermen cursed Chinese fisheries surveillance ships in the South China Sea

[rose eagle]

@feral river

[thorny steeple]

Why asking for approval

[lime jolt]

Random, is that a problem?

[feral river]

well 5 years ago apparently

[rose eagle]

yea

[thorny steeple]

Of course it is

I never ask for those

[lime jolt]

Why is that a problem?

[lime jolt]

You dont, i did

[thorny steeple]

First how old are u

[lime jolt]

20

[rose eagle]

wdym?