🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

At least I won’t be accused for an affiliate of CCP because I’m from China

Even a Singaporean were being accused

[vapid hare]

Worst will still hound your ass from hell and back

[feral river]

who knows

at least better than don't know what's going on with religion

[vapid hare]

Hm are you an atheist/agnostic

[feral river]

I never define myself an atheist or religious but I can be religious and atheist for any cases I need.

in China, I'm a firm Marxism-Leninism revolutionary, a Chinese nationalist, a pro-CCP and authoritarian.

[vapid hare]

Blud is religiously fluid 💀

[vapid hare]

Hm how can you also be a capitalist then? Aint communism and capitalism polar opposites

[feral river]

in West, I'm a freedom fighter, a religious, a believer of american values

[feral river]

capitalist doesn't mean I must support capitalism but seek more benefit in current situation.

in a perfect communist society, there is no class, everyone is equal, in such a utopia it still needs leader, needs politician

and those guys tell people that they are "leader of the society not superior is bs" because corruption exist.

and actually the Soviet Union, China those country which pursues communist society, they still establish their order based on nationalism, and alleged Marxism-Leninism philosophy

and something you know like socialism with Chinese characteristics.

so it becomes to what you see is fighting our equality, but using bugs which establish by THEMSELVES to get benefit.

[vapid hare]

Ah so you dont support capitalism outright but just wanna get the most our of the current system (which happens to be capitalist)?

[feral river]

maybe, based on current situation, the supreme entity of both wing is as same as authoritarian.

[vapid hare]

If you go too far on either side, you'll still end up as authoritarian.
Horseshoe theory

[feral river]

so less to be authoritarian is more possible for a normal people to get higher on ranking of class.

that's why if I'm a higher class I supports more authoritarian, if I'm a lower class I supports more democratic.

all of its logic is seek more benefit and defend my interest, nothing strange.

that's the core of capitalist.

[vapid hare]

Maximize your personal benefits and defend your interests ig

[feral river]

yes.

that's how explained I don't really belongs to any religion or irreligious.

but I use any religion or irreligious philosophy to maximize my benefit.

[vapid hare]

Such a pragmatist you are

[feral river]

maybe I shouldn't say I'm a capitalist but a pragmatist but I think someone don't really know what pragmatist mean.

that's why I said I'm a capitalist at least some left-wing crazyer know I'm their enemy

[vapid hare]

Minecraft the defender of capitalism fr

[feral river]

from People's Republic of China sometimes I feel like I'm not a Chinese

I already got used to the english environment

[vapid hare]

You will be deported from china

[feral river]

Can I abstain?

[thorn lagoon]

unborn and cant be killed, neither cessation nor generation, neither birth nor death , thats who I AM

[cedar oar]

Vale, you better delete that message which is suffusing slander on my name soon! You know very well I quit that preposterous hobby (life). Now chop chop, prisoner #82848

[lusty zenith]

Afterlife (if it exists) doesn't care whether you believe in it or not

You die, you die.

[vapid hare]

What if you get to do a new game+

[vapid hare]

Im not gonna book burn

[vapid hare]

Literally 1894

[lusty zenith]

I thought for sure I could type it. Some days I can, some days I can't

[vapid hare]

Depends on big bro's mood

[visual jolt]

who wanna make extra income, please ping me.
I am a web developer and I am looking for US or Canada guy who is over 25.
Let's collaborate!

[vapid hare]

I am 1 years old. Is this okay?

[visual jolt]

I am serious

[vapid hare]

Goo goo gaa gaa

[lusty zenith]

You have a minions profile pic

[vapid hare]

A REAL man loves minions

[visual jolt]

Is there any relation between minion pic and serious?

[lusty zenith]

No. But there's some relation between bad grammar and scammers

[visual jolt]

im not a scammer

As i said before, I am looking for a serious man

[lusty zenith]

Maybe try Grindr

[vapid hare]

If you're not a scammer, prove it by giving me 10 dollars

[pale mantle]

Hi

Who is interested in improve his english skills?

[sweet spear]

me

[civic reef]

"help this gentleman relieve himself"

[abstract abyss]

u guys are slacking off

[balmy matrix]

u just wanted to use the new word which was shown in idiom of the day right

[abstract abyss]

yes

[balmy matrix]

caught it

[abstract abyss]

just practicing so that I don't forget the idiom

[balmy matrix]

yea great job

[abstract abyss]

I learn and then usually forget in just some matter of days

due to lack of using the word

[balmy matrix]

u should talk

using them

[abstract abyss]

people near by talk in their native language. and usually don't talk in english

even in school

even tho its english medium

[balmy matrix]

texrs can help too

texts

[abstract abyss]

talking to myself on mirror and texts really help a lot

people are just not so enticed to talk in english.

[balmy matrix]

great ideas

[abstract abyss]

they just don't feel comfortable

My english is not so horrible if I try

[balmy matrix]

the whple server is for using english though

whole

nah duck keyboard

[full trail]

who to undestand and continue in conversation and ask if they didn't get something

[abstract abyss]

a person in real life who doesn't speak english because it doesn't feel good way to be connected and when we both know the same native language. we ust not able to talk in english

[full trail]

let's catch our hands learning and rise to sky

yes

where are you from

[cedar oar]

That's not burning books, Vale. That is simply burning your slander

[thorny steeple]

Religion is only for people, who don't want to think. In 99% cases you just believe in something you know nothing about.

The problems is that while traffic rules save your life, religion does the opposite: it takes your life, it takes control of your life so that you feel safe. There's a difference.

[trim kelp]

Depends on which rule. For example, rape is a heinous act which should NEVER be committed, so theres a rule against it

[high saddle]

rape takes away control, so rules aim to forbid it;
religion often also takes away control, but rules don't often aim to forbid it 🤔

[hasty gull]

Wassup guys, what is the discussion about?

[feral river]

wassup! I just learned how to type ur name 🤣

[uncut mist]

Lol just click on username

[steep bloom]

Hello, everybody!

I am man.

[sour marlin]

Well, religion save people too, but here are the humans themselves who misuse it and commit crimes under the name of religion

[rare stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-kermit-frog-dancing-dance-gif-16739364

[glacial lodge]

To join a religion, you have to agree to conform to a set of values that the religion teaches. The religion's values are related to the teachings of the religion; for example, to become Christian, you just need to follow Christ. But to do that, you need to do what Christ teaches, and that is where the rules come in. That's what I think.

These teachings can guide the follower's behavior and actions, forming the basis of the moral code or rules within that religion.

That way, religion can be seen as restrictive. For some people, though, that is good; these guidelines provide a framework for living a meaningful and purposeful life that is in accordance with their (and the religion's) beliefs.

[safe crescent]

theres no way to satisfy atheists 🙌

[glacial lodge]

How so?

[safe crescent]

they wont get what u say tho..u can try ..

[glacial lodge]

Do you get what I'm saying?

[safe crescent]

I mean yes cuz i have a religion

ig

[glacial lodge]

Okay. I don't consider myself very religious, but I can see why people choose to follow religion.

[safe crescent]

yea sure

im not against buts thats a reality that Atheists often overlook the deeper meanings of religious practices and myths, treating them as mere intellectual errors. Additionally, some atheists exhibit a narrow focus on specific religious beliefs, failing to engage with the broader spectrum of religious thought..

[glacial lodge]

Indeed. Some atheists do not bother to study religion and say ‘religion is false’ without knowing exactly how it is false.

[hybrid creek]

so, could you spell it out more about this?

by "how it is false"

[hybrid creek]

what prompted you to think so? any statistical data or just you judge it by your acquantances?

[manic juniper]

The second one lol

[dapper laurel]

Guys, in Italy they are about to reinstate compulsory military service

War is near

[manic juniper]

For men only?

[dapper laurel]

Yes, only for boys between 18 and 26 years old

In reality it can be either compulsory military service or civil service, it's up to you

But I'm going to do the military service

[manic juniper]

It's the same here but we had this for a long time now

In Sweden they only pick people with the best physical features of both sexes and they only select few of them

[dapper laurel]

We also had it in the past, then they disabled it for a while, but now they want to put it back on

[manic juniper]

I wish they did the same here or that they made it mandatory for women as well

[dapper laurel]

Italy

[manic juniper]

In Finland it was never removed

[dapper laurel]

Most likely it will be the same with us

[manic juniper]

This means you could easily circumvent it

[dapper laurel]

Because there isn't enough money to support such a large number of reservists

[manic juniper]

It's a huge waste of money, one of our economists proved that a volunteer force is cheaper and more efficient

[dapper laurel]

But I don't want to, I will give my all to be part of the military service

[sour marlin]

That's because of misconception and misuse of the people from religion

[manic juniper]

In Sweden most people involuntarily avoid it because the chances of being selected are microscopic

[sour marlin]

We can't blame the religion for that

[dapper laurel]

Indeed it is, but I think it's only temporary, here they are simply afraid of a war

[manic juniper]

What war does Italy risk even

[high saddle]

In essence, that's agreeable.
In practice, oh boy, those are often abused to death!

[dapper laurel]

It is not yet known how it will work here, the law still needs to be approved by Parliament

[sour marlin]

So is god that weak in ur believes?

[dapper laurel]

A full-scale war with NATO against the pro-Chinese/Russian bloc

[sour marlin]

Atheism is better then

[manic juniper]

Given that Italy gave very little military support to Ukraine it would be strange to backtrack now and participate in a war against Russia directly

[dapper laurel]

Nah, we have donated a lot to Ukraine, our government is just an opposition controlled by Europe. If there is a war between NATO and Russia, Italy will probably participate

[sour marlin]

I see

Nice

[thorn lagoon]

Atheist can't deny God if God is existence itself 🧠

[manic juniper]

No offence but even Canada and Denmark donated more, Italy gave humanitarian aid (aka taking in refugees)

[thorn lagoon]

Well , Existence is
It's self proving

[dapper laurel]

This is military support, but we have given a lot of economic support. However, it's not something I'm proud of

[lusty zenith]

How many is many

Hey Vsauce. Michael here

[thorny steeple]

Very true

[lusty zenith]

Maybe people just like to have fun. You should try it sometime

[thorn lagoon]

The greatest metaphysician the west has ever produced (Parmenides)

[dapper laurel]

I agree with this statistic, here we are talking about military support, but we have given a lot of economic support

[thorny steeple]

Russian opinion in chat 🤩

Hopefully you're not. If not - good on ya

[manic juniper]

I think he is saying that the ammunition use different standards so it's a mess

[dapper laurel]

But it must be said that Ukraine is holding up well to the invasion

[thorny steeple]

But "zoo park" sounds strange

It's started in Ukraine already

[sour marlin]

Gtk

[thorny steeple]

Russia is next

Yep, true

[manic juniper]

Well no they shouldn't be, they are required in the Parliament and to maintain stability

And they shouldn't interfere with those that actually studied and live to be soldiers and officers

Unfortunately that's how it is everywhere except Antarctica

Penguins are incorruptible

[thorny steeple]

Ukraine is a really corrupted country and many people think their countries don't need to donate anything to Ukraine as they will eventually sell everything, grab the money and leave the country

I know some Ukrainian lads and none of them want to go back

They all want to live in Ireland

True

Really?

The Irish people support people of Ukraine, not their politics

We can't as we have housing crisis

Well, they get much more money than in any EU country

They are provided with accomodation

Our hotels are all full

We can't take more, we can't find a house to rent ourselves

The Irish people becoming second class citizens and no one even cares

Asylum seekers come to our country to live for free as they have a refugee status and you're not allowed to work if you're a refugee, they get 38 euro weekly and free accommodation with food

And Ukrainains have to find themselves a job, rent a room/house as now they are provided with free accommodation only for 3 months

It's ridiculous as most of them are hard working and no one wants to support them any longer, but illegals are welcome. How come?

Asylum seekers even ask for family reunification so they can bring their grandmas and relatives here to live for free

Some even get 213 euros a week

So it's more than 800 a month

Loads of money, considering their accomodation is free

[manic juniper]

Sounds like Ireland has a lot of money to spare

[thorny steeple]

But no money for their own people

[manic juniper]

Always difficult when it comes to that 🤔 I wonder why

[thorny steeple]

Because the Irish people are second class citizens in their own country, no one cares about the Irish, there always be a house for anyone, but not for the Irish

[manic juniper]

I was considering that because there are countries I like more than my own but I already have a job and I worked for years to get where I am

I don't know if I would get the same opportunity elsewhere, plus I'd have to sell my home and almost everything I have

[thorny steeple]

Just imagine, 800 euros per month, no need to work, free accommodation

You won't be able to get a refugee status

No reason for that

[manic juniper]

Do you think a girl from Myanmar could get it?

The country has a civil war going on

[thorny steeple]

I'm pretty sure you won't

[manic juniper]

Not me, asking for a friend

I don't think I pass as Burmese lmao

Plus 800€ are a lot if you do nothing, but I don't want to earn a lot less than what I get and be poorer overall

She could even fake being one of the persecuted minorities since I don't know how the Irish government would be able to check her background like that

[thorny steeple]

Ukrainians get more money as they are not refugees, they are under international protection. Refugees typically get less, 38 euro per week (Ukrainians will be getting 38 a week soon as well)

Go home ya lads, if you don't want to work at all

All working Ukrainians and immigrants are welcome!

[manic juniper]

She could be recruited in the army in few months

Since they recently passed a law that will make them able to recruit women as well, for lack of manpower

[thorny steeple]

They will definitely try

[manic juniper]

Yes but I find it difficult in general

She is from a country with over 50 major ethnicities

I don't think her documents even say which ethnicity she is

[thorny steeple]

You can't work if you're a refugee (Refugee status, not international protection) as refugees typically have no docs, no passport or whatever, they get 38 euro a week, free accomodation

And no one would ever say they are welcome to waste taxpayers' money

[manic juniper]

I think she should give it a shot

[thorny steeple]

Why did I tell ya about refugees? Come on

I'm dumb, I know

I should've never told ya

[manic juniper]

I think the worst is when she gets back to her country if that's the case

[thorny steeple]

If she has no visa - she goes home if she won't have a reason to come to Ireland

[manic juniper]

If they find out that she tried to escape it will be bad, they restricted travel for men abroad and probably will do the same for women

[thorny steeple]

I'd suggest you to try to come legally, this is a good country, the government will help you, but please, respect Ireland, it's full already and we don't need more asylum seekers here so they could get all of taxpayers' money and live for free

[manic juniper]

She wants to move legally and also leave forever and work elsewhere

[thorny steeple]

Welcome

[manic juniper]

I wanted to help her leave but I don't know how any of that works at all, plus my country wouldn't be good since most people speak Finnish and Swedish, not English

[thorny steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjAguuNnAeM

[manic juniper]

She could learn Swedish but there is no way she will ever learn Finnish

[thorny steeple]

Ireland-Rwanda migrant deal soon

[manic juniper]

Imagine being an Albanian caught on the same boat as some Rwandans

[thorny steeple]

Rwanda is a great country though, people are paid some decent money and they live in a well-developed African country. That's a great deal

And the UK even pays them 3000 pounds when they come to Rwanda I presume

[dapper laurel]

Is this a remigration policy?

[prisma cipher]

least of all, I feel sorry for the Russians who abandoned everyone and ran away. Don't mention, they are dump.

[hybrid creek]

what's your point of this msg ?

why you gave me it ?

[prisma cipher]

Вот это поворот

[slender steeple]

Is there anyone who knows Nobisuke?

[thorny steeple]

muted 💀

[thorny steeple]

You

https://tenor.com/view/well-homelander-antony-starr-gen-v-anyways-gif-7737520366159422155

@balmy niche let’s debate and pretend to fight to cause drama and choas

[balmy niche]

but i can't fight against you 😭

instead let's bully sukuma po

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

Sure

[harsh aspen]

Hii

[manic juniper]

Just say the keywords, religion, atheism, Islam idk what else

Communism capitalism the West reptiles deez nutz

[cedar oar]

Serious chat is the same place it used to be, but much worse now. Hello once again, everyone

[thorny steeple]

got it

i have something in mind

[cedar oar]

Quite correct in that regard. Finnish is obviously the superior Reptilian Honorary Aryan language. She does not stand a chance

[thorny steeple]

I’m wondering if I will get muted if I say this

[manic juniper]

Idk someone said the N word days ago and nothing happened lol

[prisma cipher]

I got warning for neyro word

[trim kelp]

Good

[prisma cipher]

It was long time ago

Just telling what might happen if she say it

[thorny steeple]

What word?

[prisma cipher]

Neyro

[fickle wadi]

What was that?

[thorny steeple]

What does it mean?

[prisma cipher]

It mean black dude, their race name

[thorny steeple]

I know you want to say that

Say it

[prisma cipher]

It's boring conversation.

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[prisma cipher]

Why you send friend request, you aren't my friend.

[thorny steeple]

Sorry... I didn't mean to hurt you big man

[thorny steeple]

"Ran away" to save their lives*

People don't leave their country without any reason

The must have been a reason to leave it

[prisma cipher]

Unless they are dump

[thorny steeple]

Dumb or dump?

[prisma cipher]

[thorny steeple]

Dump sounds weird

[prisma cipher]

But it's not offensive

[thorny steeple]

Idk anything about it, I just know they send asylum seekers to Rwanda

[thorny steeple]

Neither dumb sounds offensive bruv...

[prisma cipher]

I think you won't understand. but tell anyway. It short true story. there is a man who ran away, and there is his old mother who now has no one, who can help. those, who ran away, I don’t feel sorry for them. they abandoned their family and friends. All of them. they simply have no sense of responsibility. If you feel pity for them, I'm not.

when I see videos of these people, I ask myself who you left behind. was it your dog, was it your boyfriend or girlfriend, was it your parents, who did you leave?

you didn’t just leave for another country to earn money, you left when it became difficult and dangerous to live in the country. and that changes everything

[thorny steeple]

.......

[teal cloak]

Serious chat

[thorny steeple]

They'll make money and will provide a good farewell... maybe a cool retirement or something...
Leaving your parents behind isn't a cool thing. But if it's good for your folks future, and your future... don't hold back... your neighbors will take care, your friends will take care of your parents... your cousins and all

[prisma cipher]

It was message for Liam, not for you. I forgot to put his name. You are good I'm not gonna say it to you

[feral river]

what's the daily stance ? 🤔

I decided to believe in god this day, and the left-wing socialism democratic.

freedom, democracy, no communism, no nationalism, for justice, for god, for human rights!

god is the only thing we believe 👐

[fickle wadi]

💯

[fickle wadi]

Believe in something was good as always..

I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live as if there isn't and to die to find out that there is.

[thorny steeple]

Smart people will always live a country when it's dangerous and difficult to live in. They all made a good decision for themselves as now no one's going to send them to the frontline to kill innocent people.

It became difficult because you've decided to support the war in Ukraine

That's simple. You support killing, we support sanctions against you.

Enjoy!

[prisma cipher]

I knew that you wouldn't understand, but I tried

[thorny steeple]

Good try, well done

[trim kelp]

Ignore, some of these people are known for 'debating' like this

[prisma cipher]

I take it as an insult.

[thorny steeple]

I guess most Russians have never seen how people live in Europe or in the US. People leave the country looking for a better place to live and better future for their kids.

[thorny steeple]

I have no problem with that at all

[prisma cipher]

I mean I report it to mod

[thorny steeple]

I said no problem with that at all

[trim kelp]

I said the same thing and u didnt care either lil bro

Crying as always

[thorny steeple]

Nevermind, I've never heard of "You support killing" curse word though, I guess my English is getting better now

[trim kelp]

These people debate, lose, and then moan

[feral river]

god said human is literally superior.

[thorny steeple]

Did you talk to him?

[feral river]

nope but I find some words he said in Bible.

he didn't really directly say you can kill them but he said you can rule over them

which is superior, if I understand it correctly

"And God said, “Let us make man in our
image, after our likeness. They shall rule the fish of
the sea, the birds of the sky, the cattle, the whole earth,
and all the creeping things that creep on earth.”"

[manic juniper]

Yes because it was written by mammals for mammals

Mammals require constant propaganda to feel superior otherwise they will be depressed

[feral river]

now I just feel how I did destroyed a person who uses religious content in before by science or marxism-leninism philosophy and what is that guy actually thinking just like, WTF you don't believe god you ssob god curse you you gonna die or sth

100% empathize

but that's religion, I'm sorry and god would curse you if you are holding this mind.

you know the religion, religion, this is religion

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

It's like I'm sorry this is religion, I'm really sorry, I can't admit this is truth and deny the existence of god, this mind wtf, I just feel like this is crazy.

[thorn lagoon]

God is existence itself

The unconditioned fundamental reality

[feral river]

I would say I don't really believe something proved by unfalsifiable contents.

religious content is unfalsifiable one.

but I have to say that I believe in god sometimes, OMG this is so incredibly distortion

[thorn lagoon]

You cant falsify being/existence itself

existence is and ever will be with no change

because the idea of change means it will go from being itself to being something other than itself

if existence were to be changed , it will have to be changed something other than itself

which is non-existence

but, something cant go to non-existence . ex nihilo nihil fit

[feral river]

you also can't assume a thing that may exist with little evidence or literally no evidence/solid proof.

[thorn lagoon]

from nothing comes nothing

[thorn lagoon]

existence exists ( tautology )

[feral river]

you need to proof it.

[thorn lagoon]

existence itself must be timeless

[feral river]

you can say god exist, because existence exists, why can't I say the supreme leader of universe also exist because of this ?

this is pointless.

[thorn lagoon]

what proof ? its self-evident .. there is existence rather than non-existence .. the fact that we are chatting now is proof that existence is

[feral river]

self-evident only make you trust it, not other people.

[thorn lagoon]

God is existence itself . God is not some sky daddy above nor a being amonst other beings

[feral river]

based on this logic, I can say everything exist, so this is just a pointless statement

then why god ?

why not the supreme leader of the universe

[thorn lagoon]

you are superimposing abrahamic idea of a God

[feral river]

if you think, but I don't really care if you can't answer this simple question

because based on this logic, all of the assumptions can be justified as exist.

you can't say a thing exist so this is really exist.

[thorn lagoon]

again , forget about God .. You are so roused about the idea of the god ..Think abstractly about existence itself ..The isness of everything ..

[thorn lagoon]

you are misundertanding

forget about the god ...contemplate on existence itself

[feral river]

existence is easy

my freaking iPhone exists, my body, my brain, my DNA exists

[thorn lagoon]

we cant ever think about non-existence because if we think , we are thinking about something . To think about nothingness is not to think at all

non-existence is a bogus idea

[feral river]

then what is non-exist ?

for example, my third hand doesn't exist.

that's just so damn easy

[thorn lagoon]

yes , now youre getting it .. when you eat a food , does it go into non-existence ? or rather it was a mere transformation ? you cant ever destory the isness of something

something cant go into nothingness

[feral river]

Energy conservation law

that's what I learned when I was a kid

in a freaking Chinese school

[thorn lagoon]

energy and matter also has an origin .. its not something primary

[feral river]

that's basic science

[feral river]

the point is you can't proof the origin, but make a pointless abstraction which is god and I can even make it because you made it by assumption

[thorn lagoon]

when we are talking about the unconditioned reality , we are talking about the absolute primary thing

[thorn lagoon]

you are rejecting science

[feral river]

remember this is your assumption

this is an assumption, not a observation

[thorn lagoon]

no,matter ,space,time,etc has an origin

this is not an assumption

[feral river]

this is an assumption

then tell me what the origin is ? have you see it ?

or have you created one ?

it's unobservable.

[thorn lagoon]

thats why we use inference and deduction

do you reject inference and deduction and logic?

[feral river]

inference and deduction based on observable evidence, not the assumptions

you can never use your assumption as your proof

[thorn lagoon]

we didnt see fire directly , but when we see a smoke arising , we can infer that there must be a fire/heat/combustion

[feral river]

this is science

you can never use your assumption as your proof

[thorn lagoon]

because fire and smoke is invariable concomitance

[feral river]

this is bs because using smoke to infer a fire is obviously fake science.

you never can use your past experience as solid proof

how do you know it's a fire ? what if it's not a fire

[thorn lagoon]

big bang theory is based on observation

[feral river]

that doesn't really related to this

you can never use your assumption as your proof

[thorn lagoon]

and it clearly says time,space and matter has an origin

[feral river]

this sentence, only this sentence.

[thorn lagoon]

its related

[feral river]

you can never use your assumption as your proof.

this is science.

you can't make an assumption there is a fire because there is a smoke

[thorn lagoon]

lmao have you ever seen smoke without fire or heat ?

[thorn lagoon]

big bang clearly says space,time and matter has an origin

[feral river]

what if ?

[thorn lagoon]

dont cope

[thorn lagoon]

what if what ?

[feral river]

how do you know there is a smoke because there is a fire ?

how do you know that

how you can sure this is because of a fire ?

[thorn lagoon]

invariable concomitance .. these two things go together

[feral river]

one is observable, one is not observable

you are using an observable thing to assumpt another thing also exist which you can't observe.

[thorn lagoon]

its based on empirical evidence that smoke and fire always go together

[feral river]

how do you know that evidence works ? how to proof that

you need to proof which you need to observe both things

and you have a proof

if you can only observe the smoke, how do you know there is a fire ?

how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?

[thorn lagoon]

its not an assumption that existence is ..its a tautoligcal statement ..

[feral river]

how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?

because of what ?

god ?

[thorn lagoon]

whats the cause of smoke ?

what causes smoke ?

use your brain

[feral river]

how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?

you are using this rule to explain the smoke exist along with the fire

then if you can only observe the smoke how do you know there is a fire ?

I think this logic is clear.

[thorn lagoon]

the very definition of what a smoke is that it is airborne particles caused by a combustion of matter

[feral river]

how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?
you are using this rule to explain the smoke exist along with the fire
then if you can only observe the smoke how do you know there is a fire ?

directly answer the question

[thorn lagoon]

its called inference

[noble turtle]

b

[thorn lagoon]

its a way of deducting logical consequence based on empirical envidence

[feral river]

have you read my text ? the first sentence is "how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?"

[thorn lagoon]

what does that even mean

[feral river]

if this rule doesn't exist, your inference also doesn't exist

because you are using this rule to infer a smoke exist with a fire

[thorn lagoon]

are you rejecting inference as proper epistemy ?

[feral river]

nope but you are trying to avoid my question

[thorn lagoon]

what ?

that sounds so dumb lmao

[noble turtle]

pokemon go opinions

[thorn lagoon]

what question ?

[feral river]

how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?
you are using this rule to explain the smoke exist along with the fire
then if you can only observe the smoke how do you know there is a fire ?

[thorn lagoon]

because every smoke is caused by combustion, heat or burning , you dummmb*****

[feral river]

how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?
you are using this rule to explain the smoke exist along with the fire
then if you can only observe the smoke how do you know there is a fire ?

I think you need to read what you have said

[thorn lagoon]

its the very definition of what a smoke is

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

answer the question

your definition of smoke is based on observation

[thorn lagoon]

Smoke is a suspension of airborne particulates and gases emitted when a material undergoes combustion or pyrolysis, together with the quantity of air that is entrained or otherwise mixed into the mass.

[feral river]

how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?
you are using this rule to explain the smoke exist along with the fire
then if you can only observe the smoke how do you know there is a fire ?

I don't need to repeat it anymore but I think you are done with this

you can incapable to answer this question, which you don't wanna admit you have to observe the both things to get a conclusion

that's so damn clear I think everyone see this will understand

[thorn lagoon]

the very definition of smoke is that it is caused by combustion or fire or heat .. so yes, every smoke is caused by fire or heat ..

[feral river]

even a kid

[feral river]

your definition is based on observation

you are not even talking to me

repeating the definition doesn't really proof you are intelligent

[thorn lagoon]

yesssss, when did i deny that ?

[feral river]

oh so you agree with this ?

[thorn lagoon]

inference is based on observation ..

[feral river]

okay then, tell me, if you can't observe the fire but only the smoke, how to get that definition ?

[thorn lagoon]

do you know what empirical evidence means right ?

empirical evidence means sense observation

i have said that a long time ago that inference is based on observation

[feral river]

I didn't say this at all I just asked a simple, very simple question please answer it directly

[thorn lagoon]

what ?

[feral river]

if you can't observe the fire but only the smoke, how to get that definition ?

[thorn lagoon]

what does that even mean ?

[feral river]

you can observe: smoke, you can't observe: fire, how to get that definition ?

inference is based on observation that's what you said

[thorn lagoon]

inference is deducting based on what we normally experience ..

[feral river]

don't avoid the question

you can observe: smoke, you can't observe: fire, how to get that definition ?

[thorn lagoon]

what we experience at all times is that smoke and fire always go together .when we see smoke , we can infer that there is a fire

[feral river]

can you get a definition because you see there is a smoke and there is no fire because you never observe it

[feral river]

you can observe: smoke, you can't observe: fire, how to get that definition ?

I really said you can't observe it.

okay ?

[thorn lagoon]

are you talking about a hypothetical scenario where there is a smoke but there is no fire ?

[feral river]

your experience is also based on observation

[feral river]

no this is a simple question. you can observe: smoke, you can't observe: fire, how to get that definition ?

[thorn lagoon]

how to get that definition ?what ?

[feral river]

I think your english doesn't have any problem which you can't understand this question

[thorn lagoon]

thats a non sensical question

[feral river]

you can observe: smoke, you can't observe: fire, how to get that definition ? #🧠｜serious-chat message

let me get this to you

[thorn lagoon]

ooga booga

thats what you are saying

[feral river]

yeah that's what I'm saying

and you are avoiding my question because you can't admit the smoke and the fire needed to be observed to get the rule, get the definition which will deny the existence of god 🤣

but the truth is you need to observe smoke and fire to know that there is a smoke, so there is a fire.

if you can only observe one you can't get that conclusion

[thorn lagoon]

Iam avoiding your non sensical question

[thorn lagoon]

i already said inference is based on empirical evidence

why are you repeating the same stuff again and again ?

[feral river]

why you are focusing on some stuff doesn't relating to this but the only thing, a simple thing

observation

I didn't see you talk something in that

because you can get a conclusion without observation ?

this is gonna be crazy

[thorn lagoon]

empirical evidence means observation

[feral river]

nope that doesn't mean observation

say observation

this is easy and clear

[thorn lagoon]

lol

[thorn lagoon]

do you know what empirical evidence means tho ?

[feral river]

I know but I don't have to know because it's 100% not relating to this 🤣

did you see any of my word or question related this ?

but you are the only one who is repeating this

why ? 🤣

[thorn lagoon]

empirical evidence is not related to observation ?

[feral river]

you can continue your autobiography which is more funny than now

but you can never shift away from my question by this

[thorn lagoon]

your r-worded question ?

[feral river]

"how is this rule exist if you can only observe smoke ?
you are using this rule to explain the smoke exist along with the fire
then if you can only observe the smoke how do you know there is a fire ?" - Minecraft_652

and you said: "because every smoke is caused by combustion, heat or burning , you dummmb*"

this is just ridiculous when I see this question and this answer.

[thorn lagoon]

based on prior observation ,plus, the very definition of smoke is that it is an air borne particles caused by combustion/HEAT or burning so obviously smoke and fire is an invariable concomitance .Its definitional .

[feral river]

okay based on prior observation, as you said based on prior observation, based on prior observation, then what if there is no prior observation and you only see a smoke ?

what if there is no prior observation and you only see a smoke ?

[thorn lagoon]

The very definition of what a smoke is that it is an predicated effect of burning/fire/combustion ...

[feral river]

"what if there is no prior observation and you only see a smoke ?", "The very definition of what a smoke is that it is an predicated effect of burning/fire/combustion ..."

[thorn lagoon]

so , no , you wont ever see smoke without any combustion

[feral river]

bro this is crazy

"what if there is no prior observation and you only see a smoke ?", "The very definition of what a smoke is that it is an predicated effect of burning/fire/combustion ..."

please read our conversations

and you may answer it again

[thorn lagoon]

"what if there is no prior observation and you only see a smoke ?" then , you cant make any predication from about anything, thats a useless hypothetical scenario

the very idea of inference is that it is a deduction based on obervations and prior rules/patterns

[feral river]

bro avoiding my question again

what if there is no prior observation and you only see a smoke ?

[thorn lagoon]

then , you cant predicate about from anything

[thorn lagoon]

do you read what i said ?

[thorn lagoon]

.

[thorny steeple]

I was too tired to engage in this discussion and now I regret it

[thorn lagoon]

lol why

[thorny steeple]

Idk

hey guys

what’s the topic

[median gate]

Hey everyone

[gaunt bronze]

omg it's always better not to get involved

[thorny steeple]

Why not?

[gaunt bronze]

Bc it's never productive

Only once in a blue supermoon 😍

[thorny steeple]

Fair

[grave temple]

Uh yes. Technically smoke is defined as a visible suspension of carbon or other particles in air. So smog is smoke and so is liquid coming out of an aerospray

Neverthless, I feel your conversation with minecraft to be very pointless

What is the point of arguing when does smoke occur when there are many better things to do

[thorn lagoon]

It wasn't an argument .
I was stating a common sense of an inference that smoke and heat/combustion/fire always go together

[balmy lava]

https://tenor.com/view/def-batccoon-def-batccoon-simurg-rakun-gif-22038768

[thorn lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-smoke-gif-25003355

[thorn lagoon]

He said matter ,space ,time ,etc having an origin is an assumption 🤣
When it's extrapolated
clearly based on observation and which the big bang model proposes (that it has an origin)

[thorn lagoon]

And ,the big theory is based on extrapolation/deduction(which is an inference ) based on current trend and observation( the fact that the universe is expanding exponentially) .

Inference is used in science .
He said inference is a fake science 😭😭🤡

He doesn't know what he's talking about

[feral river]

you can observe: smoke, you can't observe: fire, how to get that definition ?
inference is based on observation that's what you said

[feral river]

yeah true because he's incapable to answer my question but repeat his definition again

he's already done in this logic

I don't think he's capable to understand this logic or he just don't want to admit it, who cares ?

he's basically repeating an existence of smoke can inter the existence of fire, smoke is one you can observe and fire is one you can't observe.

so why I can't say because the existence of my d which can infer I'm the god ?

my d is observable, and god is not observable, a perfect example which proofed god exist 🤣

he's done with this logic, don't repeat it anymore.

and all I want to say is, you have that definition because you can observe a smoke exist along with a fire, smoke is observable, fire must be observable which you can conclude it.

this is the real science and philosophy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

it's quantum science nvm, we study it in our middle school maybe it's too hard for you.

[thorn lagoon]

Don't cope .
You said inference is fake science when science uses inference as a valid epistemological tool

[feral river]

yeah true because he's incapable to answer my question but repeat his definition again
he's already done in this logic
I don't think he's capable to understand this logic or he just don't want to admit it, who cares ?
he's basically repeating an existence of smoke can inter the existence of fire, smoke is one you can observe and fire is one you can't observe.
so why I can't say because the existence of my d which can infer I'm the god ?
my d is observable, and god is not observable, a perfect example which proofed god exist 🤣
he's done with this logic, don't repeat it anymore.
and all I want to say is, you have that definition because you can observe a smoke exist along with a fire, smoke is observable, fire must be observable which you can conclude it.
this is the real science and philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schrödinger's_cat

[thorn lagoon]

Don't spam

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

bro ur done with this logic

🤡

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorn lagoon]

Even though we might not observe a fire immediately ,when we see smoke ,we can infer that it's caused by the fire

Don't make me repeat this

And we can infer because of our prior experience and observation

[thorn lagoon]

If we didn't have any prior observation

[thorn lagoon]

We cant infer anything

It's about recognising a trend and pattern

Also ,you're wrong that space ,time ,matter,etc having an origin is an assumption .
It's not assumption as it is based on observation and inference .
The Big Bang theory clearly says matter ,space and time has an origin if we extrapolate further back in time

You're coping so hard right now

Don't cope ,kid

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[feral river]

Changing the subject doesn't work for me.

[thorn lagoon]

You only spam sh*t

[feral river]

so is that insult ?

#🧠｜serious-chat message

I'm sorry but changing the subject doesn't work for me.

[thorn lagoon]

What topic ?
Iam getting back to the topic where you said inference is fake science

Big Bang theory itself is based on inference

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

google translation maybe it's a good tool

[thorn lagoon]

Kid have nothing but to spam

[feral river]

but I don't think my speech is really hard that you need google translation

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

you are done with this logic

you are already done bro

you are not even trying to get it out

[balmy matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-paw-stomp-jump-on-gif-15745172

[thorn lagoon]

Chinese kid coping

[feral river]

stop personal insult or you will receive a mute or something

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorn lagoon]

Then don't spam

[feral river]

I didn't really #🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorn lagoon]

Say what you gonna say in precise manner

What you saying is incoherent
Rephrase in other words

Also ,you can't proof God based on inference
When did I ever say that ?

You live on strawmanning

[feral river]

okay then, answer me only yes or no: you can see there is a smoke, but you can't see there is a fire, you have no prior experience of it, can you say you can infer the fire exist ?

only yes or no

[thorn lagoon]

No

You are repeating the same thing again

[feral river]

okay then, very nice you get it out, then answer me yes or no: Can you infer a thing which is not observable, by a observable object ?

[thorn lagoon]

Inference is based on prior observation of having always seen fire and smoke together .
If you didn't have any prior experience of both of them causally related to each other ,you cant infer anything

[feral river]

yes or no

[balmy matrix]

yes

[thorn lagoon]

Yes ,if we have established prior that two objects are causally related to each and Can be predicated as effect from that other object.
No,if we don't have any established prior observation of their causal relation

[feral river]

which one have solid proof ? the Yes or the No ?

[thorn lagoon]

Do you understand what I wrote ?
If we have established prior that one object is always caused by the other object,we can infer the cause when we see the effect ,even though we can't directly observe the cause

[feral river]

I'm saying which one have soild proof ? the Yes one or the No one.

[thorn lagoon]

This means you didn't understand .
It's a mutually exclusive condition .
It's either or (Exclusive or ).
We can't ask which one has "more" solid proof .
Either one can be true in certain circumstances .
For example , through observation,we have established the causal relationship between the fire and smoke ,so we can always infer fire/heat from the smoke from a far away places ,Even though we can only see the smoke

[feral river]

yes or no.

this question, only yes or no.

[sour marlin]

[feral river]

I can't believe you can say a thing has more proof in word than the thing you directly observed.

I think you are smart so answer this question directly only yes or no.

[thorn lagoon]

Yes ,we can infer it if we have established prior of their causal relationship

[balmy matrix]

yes or no

[thorn lagoon]

That's the very definition of inference ,you idiot

[feral river]

I'm saying which one have soild proof ? the Yes one or the No one. this is the question

#🧠｜serious-chat message based on this

[thorn lagoon]

The very definition of inference is that it is inferring something which is not directly observed by a thing which have been observed ( but have priorily established of their invariable concomitance )

[feral river]

I'm saying which one have soild proof ? the Yes one or the No one. this is the question

#🧠｜serious-chat message based on this

[thorn lagoon]

The very category of my second answer is based on lack of prior causal relationship or lack of evidence of causal link.
So ,you are again asking a non-sensical question

You can't ask which one has more proof of a mutually exclusive category

[feral river]

repeating the question non-sensical doesn't proof ur intelligent bro

I'm saying which one have soild proof ? the Yes one or the No one. this is the question
#🧠｜serious-chat message based on this

[thorn lagoon]

It's your intelligence not intelligent and yes ,you're asking a non-sensical question

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[wind compass]

[feral river]

everyone will curious why is this simple question can't be answered by you ?

[balmy matrix]

||[]||

[thorn lagoon]

Yes ,if we have prior observation of their causal relationship

I have already answer it

You are too dense to figure it out

[thorn lagoon]

a cause , which is not immediately observed ,can be inferred from an observed effect if we have previously established of their causal link or invariable concomitance .

And ,if we don't have prior experience/observation of relationship bwteen two objects as a cause and an effect ,we cant infer anything

You can't ask which one has more proof here

So stop spamming the same thing again and again

Me : something is either red or not red
You: which one has more proof 🤡🤓

[glacial lodge]

🍿

[azure nebula]

The more we suffer the more we grow I see something wrong here Uk the choices we make and the way we deal withtht pain decides of our ...... Growth?

[balmy lava]

[azure nebula]

Or is it smtg else and I'm the dumb one?

[mental verge]

Game I played stopped updating 2 weeks ago, is there any way I can skip sophomore, junior, and senior years so I can graduate this year like I'm supposed to? I failed freshmen year 3 times, I'm in a risk of failing a 4th time, and I have a GPA of 0.14. Next week is my last week of school.

[balmy lava]

Cheat

[mental verge]

How

What should I use to cheat

[lusty zenith]

Give up. And start looking into trade schools. Maybe uni/college is just not for you

[balmy lava]

Make cheat sheets on bras and skirts

[mental verge]

But can I also skip sophomore, junior, and seniors years too? I want to skip them and graduate next week since I'm supposed to be a senior rn and graduate next week.

[balmy lava]

If the exam is not a written test, I don't know how to cheat

[mental verge]

It's not written...

Man I really don't want a 5th high school year

It's already my 4th

And I'm freshmen

[balmy lava]

you should ask AI for suggestions, AI is always better than human

[vapid hare]

You are NOT making an academic comeback

[formal pilot]

Just like you

[vapid hare]

So wrong smh

[mental verge]

Even if I have time to do school stuff at home now? The game stopped updating recently, but I have one week of school left.

And I'm supposed to be senior rn

I'm actually supposed to be graduating next week

But I'm freshmen

[vapid hare]

Dude you're not a super senior. You're something else 💀💀

[vapid hare]

Drop out at this point and hope for the best 🙏

[mental verge]

Or how about skipping sophomore, junior, and senior years so I can at least graduate next year

Maybe not this year but next year

[vapid hare]

Isn't that reserved for the smart kids tho. If you're really talented, the teachers allow you to skip a few grades or smth

[mental verge]

I didn't had time to do school stuff at home before

But now I do

I also got sent to alternative school

[vapid hare]

You better study as much as you can then. Maybe you'll get into one of those acceleration programs

[mental verge]

On top of that

But yeah I'll definitely start studying next year since I'll have a lot more time

But definitely not doing 4 more years of high school

And having 8 years in total

I have to do something about it

[vapid hare]

Have you realized that you wasted four years more than you're supposed to man?

[mental verge]

I hate whoever decided to make the school system this corrupt

[vapid hare]

Wait a sec, doesnt that mean you're in your early 20s by now

[mental verge]

I'm 18

[vapid hare]

So around the average age of college freshmen then

[mental verge]

Yeah

[lusty zenith]

The only sensible option at this point. Not even joking

[mental verge]

I was forced by my school board this year to go to alternative school

But still about to fail freshmen year a 4th time

Since I didn't had time to do school stuff at home

[vapid hare]

The punisher is getting punished 🙏

[hollow lake]

[pale mantle]

Hi

Iam searching for a job as a land surveyor

[formal pilot]

Israel might hire you

[craggy sphinx]

[safe crescent]

☝️

[lusty zenith]

Eisan is my favorite friend

[lusty zenith]

At least 36 I think

[jolly agate]

Im one of them and eisan

[kindred turret]

Obsessed?

[lusty zenith]

Nope. Just full of love

[civic reef]

Man what the heck. In my country 18 is a highschooler. 20 years old is a freshmen in university/college

nineteen is a highschooler too, twenty is like, on the verge between the highschooler and a uni freshman

[hasty gull]

Guys what is the topic

[lusty zenith]

Topic is how to get people to scroll up and read instead of asking pointless questions

Do you have any ideas?

My idea is to use subtle sarcasm but it doesn't always work

[hasty gull]

Wow that was 1 minute of my life I would not get back

[hasty gull]

I'll take it as:
This chat is not for lazy people

[lusty zenith]

Yes

[hasty gull]

Where you from?
In my country it is both XD
After 12th grade you finish highschool or you can continue school to 13 grade but most people don't do 13 grade.

[hasty gull]

You from russia/Ukraine?

[civic reef]

Nah, am from a civilized country, not like russians. Am polish

[hasty gull]

Oh nice

[hasty gull]

On one hand Poland is good for not accepting immigrations on the other hand I dont like their new hollucust rule

[boreal citrus]

what if some of the messages are repeat

[civic reef]

there are no holocaust rules here idk what u talkin about

[lusty zenith]

You're looking too deep into a joke

But you're right. Then I will say I have at least 1 favorite person

[hasty gull]

I meant the rule that says you can go to jail for saying Poland had part in the hollucust ( am not saying all of them were Nazis or helped them am just saying it is wrong to say Poland has no connection to that)

[civic reef]

it is correct to say poland has no connection to that

polish national heroes, who fought for polish independence from nazis, were not against jews, in case of every victory jews were viewed as victims to be rescued

they saw jews similar to how they saw polish citizens, jailed and repressed, so they naturally thought jews should be let free

even now during the conflict in the middle east most polish media support israel, there is like literally not a single voice supporting the muslims

[civic reef]

there is no jail punishment for saying this tho. I could say this to anybody here. I would not be imprisoned

[hasty gull]

I do believe some polish people did help the Nazis but like I said not all of them... Overall I love Poland

[prisma cipher]

[candid rapids]

Polished*

[patent igloo]

be my friend. This is gold.

I came looking for copper and this is what I find

[candid rapids]

yes

[topaz dawn]

im serious

i think

[candid rapids]

oh

[feral river]

Danzig or war ?

German Soviet non-aggression pact

Polish people’s republic

[glacial lodge]

War! The Allies will come to our aid . . . or maybe not.

[quaint idol]

case obout burning sun, everyone watching?

[boreal citrus]

i know (:

[stone dove]

Polish thinking that Poland is civilized country. LOL

[solar current]

Hi,I'm here to practice my IELTS exam and where can I practice my speaking?

If you guys have any method plz lemme know

[fickle wadi]

In vc

[solar current]

what does vm stand for?

[fickle wadi]

Sorry it's vc "voice to chat"

U can practice here at your level

[dry hamlet]

Hello guys

[prisma cipher]

@fickle wadi one question why white?

[fickle wadi]

How do i change?

In my laptop, it's dark, but I rarely use Discord on my phone soo

[hasty gull]

it is a based country

[prisma cipher]

I am more surprised by the use of the word civilized country in the context of his nationalist statement.

[topaz dawn]

im serious

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

Idk that... but, it's just the psychology of a hardworking man, or a person who wants to do something in his life... wants to do something for their loved ones...

[thorny steeple]

Drink water...

[junior jewel]

Hello, everyone.
I hope everyone's help
Let's study help each other
If I make mistaks, I want your correction to me immediately

[thorny steeple]

Okey

[knotty spindle]

Help me find someone to rely on

[patent igloo]

Do you have a particular area that you feel in need of assistance?

[thorny steeple]

improving Al

are you guys interested in spiritually things

[prisma cipher]

That pfp is something

[tough steppe]

That’s a good thing

[thorny steeple]

something what

[tough steppe]

Do we have to talk about something serious here?

[thorny steeple]

no we wil screwed up

[prisma cipher]

Something good

[thorny steeple]

it’s scary

[thorny steeple]

ik

[tough steppe]

Ca anyone give me explain

[tough steppe]

Not really.

[prisma cipher]

You can talk about ai

I think she has to break it instead of improving

[tough steppe]

I don’t know if she can break it unless she is a developer

That too a developer in a major company

[prisma cipher]

@tough steppe if she's improving it, it means she changed something. So she have to break it

Just sabotage something

[thorny steeple]

u need to watch black mirror

[tough steppe]

Lmao

Real life is not like black mirror you know @thorny steeple

That will probably take more than 100 years

We will be dead by then so I don’t really care

Cause no one can stop advancement in humanity

Otherwise we won’t be here right now

[prisma cipher]

You can't, she can stop it

[tough steppe]

I disagree. Can you explain how can she stop it

[prisma cipher]

Make it work wrong, I don't know what exactly that ai do to be more precise

Like she is improving algorithms, and make it work weird

[thorny steeple]

ppl is crazy they can do everything maybe they are trying rn but we don’t know

for example they can get money using your voice

or pic

[tough steppe]

Improving or reducing the accuracy?

[tough steppe]

Yeah that is very easy compared to what you are trying to say

[prisma cipher]

Yes or gives it wrong answers, wrong data

[thorny steeple]

i didn’t say to do easy or hard i meant that’s not good

[high nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[true aspen]

hi

[static pivot]

@thorny steeple @high nacelle @true aspen good morning

How's everything

[true aspen]

Good

[high nacelle]

Heeeey yoooo brooo

[dusty fossil]

hi

[glacial lodge]

Heeeey yoooo brooo

[thorny steeple]

@glacial lodge because as slong as we htink we aare the victims and we're born to suffer wewon't even have ethe hope to change our lives

we'll blame external factors and accept our so called fate.......as victims.......

yk someone told me a quote ........a lovely one too,
we either praise the sunshine
or blame the sunburn

[glacial lodge]

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

But being born into certain circumstances or environments can subject us to various challenges and hardships beyond our control. Are the people who are born like that victims, then? I would like to hear what you think.

We inherit genetic traits from our parents, which can include illnesses. If a baby dies from this illness, is he a victim?

[sleek badger]

you are right

[thorny steeple]

inequality reigns free in the world we live..........life in it self is unfair....... there's not much we can do but....... the least we can try is to be hopeful.... if we just tell a kid who has cancer tht he is going to die .then he would lose the hope to even live

[glacial lodge]

Then, is he a victim? Wait, this is becoming nihilistic.

[sleek badger]

Diseases that are passed on from parents to children often result in death

[glacial lodge]

Then, would you say that the child was a victim of being born?

[sleek badger]

I am not saying that the child was born sick, I am saying that the diseases that are passed on from the parents to the children may be the cause of death.
Because I heard some cases about this

[glacial lodge]

I think in cases like this it's reasonable to feel a sense of victimization because these circumstances are often beyond one's control. However, sometimes labeling individuals as victims can sometimes oversimplify their experiences and resilience. While some may perceive themselves as victims, others might view their challenges as opportunities for growth and transformation. Perspective.

[sleek badger]

Some people in the society think that it is caused by God, but if seen, it is caused by the parents because their diseases are passed on to their next generations, which often leads to May cause death

[sleek badger]

hmm

By the way, if you look at it, there is no doubt about it, no one knows that he has to die, he has life and life, and no one knows about it, not even the doctors, because doctors only guess.

I know my English bad 😅

by the way who do you worship? ( if you never mind)

[glacial lodge]

I'm Christian.

[sleek badger]

oh okay

i'm Muslim

[daring knoll]

sameeee

[sleek badger]

glad to hear , sister

[daring knoll]

😁

[sleek badger]

where you from?

[daring knoll]

maldives

wby?

[sleek badger]

Pakistan

[abstract abyss]

This chat is no laughing matter

[balmy matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-paw-stomp-jump-on-gif-15745172

[sleek badger]

first time i heard this country name (Maldives) and i searched on google it's Asian country ( nice country)

[daring knoll]

yeaa

[sleek badger]

you heard about Pakistan

[daring knoll]

yep

[sleek badger]

oh nice

[lusty zenith]

please take me there. I wanna visit it. So much

[daring knoll]

i went there once

[daring knoll]

uhmm then u should come

[balmy matrix]

life on easy mode :

[lusty zenith]

sure. When I win the lottery

[feral river]

I just think why is it not belongs to India ?

Or the UK

It should be part of UK, France or other countries

Unlike the Vatican City which protected by master as a holy place for religion

Those micro nations doesn’t really have any power to defend any foreign influence

or it’s being protected by UK or the US ?

[sleek badger]

What

If you look at the United States, it is currently only supporting Israel and giving it bombs so that it throws more and more on Palestine. He supports people who are ready to attack Muslims and he does not want Muslim countries to remain in the world, he wants to eliminate them somehow.

[feral river]

So ?

Is it really special?

The existence of hamas is threatening the national security of Israel and the global order based on the United States

Of course they want eliminate it

[sleek badger]

And you should also know that whoever is martyred in Palestine, the Israeli army rips up his body, sells his internal organs at high prices, buys more bombs and destroys them back to Palestine, and the United States fully supports it.

[sleek badger]

If you know about Romans then you know that today is someone else tomorrow is someone else I mean someone wins today someone wins tomorrow

Everything happens with time. Anyway, if you look at it, everything changes with time. At the moment, America and England are powerful and Israel is powerful over Hamas. Next time, maybe Muslim countries will destroy them isael, england, america .

(Nice to meet you)

[feral river]

so ?

Are they citizen of Israel ? Nope

Are they citizen of United States ? Nope

[sleek badger]

where you from @feral river ?

[feral river]

Are they citizen of their enemy ? Yes, are they providing assistance to their enemy included not limited like money, taxes, fighter, shelter, guns?

Any words left ?

[feral river]

People’s Republic of China

[sleek badger]

bye

[feral river]

Remember, it’s United States of America

Not United States of the World

[balmy matrix]

its united States of the World

cry china

[feral river]

Next time maybe there is a historical term comes out which is Muslim

Good luck

Please struggle to avoid this

[little delta]

why must the US and China fight. why can't they kiss instead

[feral river]

It’s more complex than you think about the US-China relation

We share some common interests as being a global power and we also have conflicts

[little delta]

i'm aware, my friend, i was making a joke. but to be serious, the ordinary people of the US and China have more in common than they realize

[feral river]

🤣 I know that

but we don't really have that nice economy condition than US anyways

[sleek badger]

are you he/she @feral river ?

[feral river]

I'm a god

god doesn't have a gender

[little delta]

i would say neither of us are particularly great at the moment, lol

[feral river]

well we have our problem and you guys have your problem

[little delta]

exactly

[feral river]

drugs, crimes, social unrest, unemployment, homeless, inflation, for the US

stagnation economy, authoritarianism, corruption, for China

[little delta]

we've got plenty of corruption here too lol, but yes we both have serious issues

[feral river]

yeah for sure, are you a US citizen ?

[little delta]

yes i am!

born and raised, yeehaw, hyuck hyuck

[feral river]

so proud of that 🤣 I'm proud to be a Chinese citizen but I have that interest to get a green card in US!

I hope both country will be okay

[sleek badger]

@feral river can you tell me who gave Israel a place to live in his country when Hitler made it illegal for Israel to live?

[feral river]

United Kingdom

[little delta]

ehh, proud as i am willing to be. i hope you can get a green card and pay us a visit! we do have many wonderful things here

[sleek badger]

are you sure?

[feral river]

yeah maybe 🤣 , I ever been a lot of countries like South Korea, Japan, Singapore etc.

maybe next is Austraila or Israel

then I will come to US

[feral river]

the ruler of the region of Palestine is United Kingdom at that time.

they decided to split the region, then you guys wanna eliminate them, but you defeated every time.

[little delta]

"you guys"? is flame an israeli?

[sleek badger]

But still the people of Palestine gave them a place to live and not America.

[feral river]

your people of Palestine is not the ruler of region of Palestine

the ruler of region of Palestine in that time is UK

they decide everything not you.

you are holding no power facing UK

[feral river]

who knows.

he's a egyptian I guess

[little delta]

well we could certainly ask

[hard parrot]

I agree

(I just joined the chat)

[little delta]

flame, where are you from? if you don't mind me asking

[balmy matrix]

.

[little delta]

ah i see lol

[hard parrot]

Bro's stalking

[feral river]

LOL

[little delta]

all i'll say on the issue is that my heart goes out to the people of palestine, i hope there is a ceasefire soon

[balmy lava]

Everytime I enter the chat Minecraft_652 is here

[hard parrot]

Oh we're discussing Palestine vs Israel?

[hard parrot]

He's the king here

[little delta]

i think we were? i didn't scroll up too far

so i dont know all the context

[feral river]

well I think Israel gonna annex the region but I'm not sure

it's not my business

I only invest some military industry of Israel and get some profit

[balmy lava]

~topic

[molten mica]

If you had a HUD that showed three stats about any person you looked at, what three stats would you want it to show?

[feral river]

not gonna do moarchy but the supreme leader! 🇰🇵

[sleek badger]

@feral river
Palestine belonged to the Muslims and it will remain the land of the Muslims, so I will say this, people have a different opinion. All of America has stood up. If there is no America, then Israel will be completely removed from the land by now. It can't do anything without America.

[feral river]

hail the leader! @mint idol

[balmy lava]

I don't need it

[hard parrot]

King sounds cooler tho

[feral river]

oh really ? maybe you will awake the dream by the sound of guns, missiles, drones, coming from Israel.

5 global power, 4 has cooperation with Israel.

and Russian doesn't really give a s to that region

[little delta]

because they are all imperial powers. the imperial powers will support colonial projects like the annexation of palestine even if every other country on the earth is against it

[feral river]

US, China, Russia, UK, France, only Russia doesn't have cooperation but they are fighting with Ukrainian.

[feral river]

Palestine isn't a sovereignty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–Israel_relations

LOL

[little delta]

but palestine is a place that people call home, even if some countries do not recognize it as a "sovereignty". it should not be destroyed, and the people that live there deserve a sense of peace and dignity just like everywhere else on the planet

[feral river]

live there deserve a sense of peace and dignity UNDER Israel

not Palestine

[sleek badger]

@feral river
Consider that if your country was attacked by another country and then the dead bodies of those who died in your country were taken out from the graves and their bodies were cut into pieces. If their body parts are removed from their bodies and sold in the market, then new weapons are bought with this money and then dropped again on your country, then how will you feel?

[feral river]

I feel nothing because our country won't be attacked by another country, if they want to taste the guns, missiles, drones, destoriers, and nukes they could try.

[sleek badger]

@feral river
A person who has a heart inside him, after seeing this, his whole body trembles if he sees it, have you not seen it in reality?

[feral river]

I will do that person who is killing them if it's for defending my country's interest and my interest.

you Palestinian threatening the national security of Israel

[sleek badger]

This is why people forget that what they think is something else.

[feral river]

who can tolerant that ?

you can't say you are pity when you are threatening other people's life

and who tf cares ?

[sleek badger]

We are Muslims, we have no fear of anyone, it doesn't matter if we become martyrs, we don't mind it, but everyone has to die.

[feral river]

okay then try it, let's see who has more power

[little delta]

i am not muslim, but i care. because they are human beings and do not deserve death simply for existing

[feral river]

"our mission is send those bastards who don't afraid of death to the hell." - MacArthur

"The pope, how many troops he have ?" - Stalin

[little delta]

you're quoting Stalin of all people?

[sleek badger]

How long can you live your life Maximum 100 years 120 years 80 years 30 years No one knows No one knows No doctor knows No other person knows Death is for everyone Do whatever you want

[feral river]

I remember that was said by MacArthur

[little delta]

i'm gonna look that up, i know multiple MacArthurs in US history

[glacial lodge]

That quote is in the Hearts of Iron 4 loading screen, hahaha.

[feral river]

douglas macarthur