🧠｜serious-chat

[charred trail]

I read but did not understand much

[thorny steeple]

Re read it

[charred trail]

Why 😂

[thorny steeple]

I believe In literacy Supremacy

If I am a Manchu, can I become a Han?

[feral river]

yes

my hui friend converted to the han 2 years ago, although his birth certificate is still says Hui but it's Han in household registration

through some special measures you know.

[thorn lagoon]

assimilation ?

wow ccp doing extremely good at homogenizing the chinese society

[feral river]

you can kept your ethnicity ofc he converted to the han because he want to.

[thorn lagoon]

but there must be some dynamics which make people to convert to han chinese

[feral river]

but if you are ethnically Han, you can't convert to other ethnicity.

[thorn lagoon]

i dont know for sure but there must be it ..otherwise, why would anyone leave their identity for others

[feral river]

Regional Population Movement Control

it's complex to explain I'm having a dinner so i will explain it

[thorn lagoon]

sure

[thorn lagoon]

Interesting that Manchurian language belongs to different language family(tungusic) unlike mandarin (sino-tibetan)

I heard that there's only 10 native speaker left

[feral river]

i dont even there is a language for manchus

i thought they speaks mandarin

[thorn lagoon]

yes, there is and they have a script as well. a chinese american told me this

[thorn lagoon]

majority of them speak mandarin but theres few native speakers left( 10 native speakers apparently)

[feral river]

yeah I also have a classmate he's manchu and now he's ethnically Han because he's family forced him to convert when he was a child.

he don't even know he's ethnically manchu in before.

also he's name, converted to han name too.

[thorn lagoon]

Why they want to convert to Han Chinese ?

[thorn lagoon]

They founded the Qing Dynasty

[thorn lagoon]

Bruh

[feral river]

the regional movement population control is basically a policy that used for regulate the regional immigration, which means the different limit threshoud based on ethnicity, assets, social status, education etc.

[thorn lagoon]

Aren't they proud of their own identity ?
Or is it some CCP incentive to national integration and homogenisation and assimilation to Han Chinese?
I get why they would do that .

[thorn lagoon]

Okay makes sense .
Are Han Chinese dominated region more developed than other regions ?

[feral river]

yeah you can see the most developed region in China is all Han majority cities

[thorn lagoon]

So ,Manchurian who wants to migrate to these regions have to convert to Han ?

Yeah ,I can see the dynamics now

[feral river]

nope that's one of the most important reason but there is a lot of policies like this distinguish the threshold for Han majority and minorties.

[thorn lagoon]

Hmm

[feral river]

and the common thing is: majority are getting more and more benfit that minorities doesn't have

maybe they didn't differ people by law and policy but they can do that based on region etc.

such as enact by violence in Xinjiang to maintain the order they didn't say they gonna do something only for uyhgur

but the people who were sent to the re-education camps, are uhygurs.

and there is an another option for minorities, be a majority.

[upbeat slate]

Hello. Is everyone can fix my intro?
It does not be perfect, just not containes mistakes and looks good.

For several years, I tried different jobs: I worked as an assistant cook, a postman, a real estate agent, and even as a CNC operator in various factories.
In my childhood, I dreamed of becoming a cook, a soldier, or a firefighter. You could say that I've tried it all and settled on the last one. For about 10 years, I've been working as a firefighter. I mostly like my job, despite the fact that the salary is not high. I like that the job is not standard and I have a lot of free time. In my free time, I study English and programming, do physical exercises, and go for walks. Sometimes I learn to play the guitar, but I have given up on it for now. I try to make 10,000 steps every day, but it doesn't always work out. Mental work is hard for me, but I feel stupid if I don't study. Even now, as I talk about myself, I notice how poor my vocabulary is and how sparse my speech is.

[thorn lagoon]

Based

👽🗿

[hasty gull]

Hi guys what topic are you talking about?

[thorny steeple]

hiii

[thorn lagoon]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

I messaged you privately. I hope you don't mind. Kindly check

[thorn lagoon]

sure

[dapper laurel]

Fr, minorities are becoming majorities in my own city

[dusk mauve]

Hyy

Is there going any funn chat

[manic juniper]

No, it was stripped away from them just like their language

And they're probably bullied into thinking it doesn't matter or it's negative

[thorn lagoon]

Thats sad

[feral river]

LOL

that's why I said this policy which implemented to assilimate the minorities to majority in China is really good

[dapper laurel]

I agree with you

[thorn lagoon]

It's good from the CCP administrative pov but they are losing their culture and language

[dapper laurel]

I hate mass migration

[manic juniper]

Manchus aren't immigrants

[feral river]

yeah that's the consequences but they don't care.

[dapper laurel]

I was talking about Europe, not China

[manic juniper]

She is talking about China

[dapper laurel]

And I gave an example relating to my country, here there are large minorities that must be assimilated. We have a common problem, that was the connection

[manic juniper]

No it isn't the same thing at all

[thorn lagoon]

It seems they are related more to eastern steppe and siberic people (atleast linguistically)

[manic juniper]

The Manchus don't need to be assimilated and they've been living there for centuries

[manic juniper]

Tungusic mfs

[thorny steeple]

Indeed they rule China for awhile

[manic juniper]

I wish there was a Tungusic majority country

[dapper laurel]

However, there remain minorities that must be assimilated, even the Finnish peoples assimilated the indigenous populations when they arrived in Europe

[manic juniper]

Minorities don't need to be assimilated lol they were literally used by the State and for that reason they must be rewarded

[thorny steeple]

What's that?

[dapper laurel]

Minorities can sometimes create problems, they should be integrated, we should not be the ones to assimilate with them

[manic juniper]

A country where most people are ethnically Manchu or some other Tungusic ethnicities

[manic juniper]

Integrating is very different than assimilating

[thorny steeple]

Making finnish being from another language tree

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhonghua_minzu

guess it's integrating or assimilating

[manic juniper]

Swedish speakers contributed a lot to our culture and international recognition, the Sámi contributed to our economy and culture, it makes no sense to betray them just to assimilate them into Finnish society

[thorn lagoon]

China won't allow it .
Maybe it can happen when the CCP decline and disintegrate .
But ,CCP is good at the assimilatation and I dont think they will be able to maintain their distinct identity and language ..
Most Tungusic people live in China right ?

[manic juniper]

In Russia as well, and Mongolia, but I think they only reach majority in one tiny region in Russia so that's the only possible country, and no it'll never be allowed or isn't possible

Mongolia is very diverse despite having few people

[dapper laurel]

However, you do not have separatist groups that carry out terrorist attacks

[thorny steeple]

Indeed which damages the perception of the movement

[manic juniper]

What does that have to do with minorities

[feral river]

LOL

[manic juniper]

Gaza still better than Yemen and Western Sahara

[dapper laurel]

You shouldn't laugh at the situation that thousands of people live in Gaza, it's inhumane

[feral river]

I guess, you are right.

[manic juniper]

Damn many of these buildings must have asbestos

Their lungs are doomed

[feral river]

that's bs 🤣

[manic juniper]

Why

[dapper laurel]

Yemen is in civil war, but the pro-Western side doesn't seem bad

[thorny steeple]

China's last monarchy was ruled by tungusic people

[feral river]

no point

[thorny steeple]

And there's higher stability there compared to those regions

[manic juniper]

It's a poor country, they must have asbestos for sure

[feral river]

🤔 chinese world's 2nd economy is poor country

I see

[manic juniper]

I know but they only had Manchu origins by then

[manic juniper]

Was I referring to China?

[feral river]

hummm I guess ? if you are not. sorry

my bad

[thorny steeple]

And a scam culture higher than in America

[manic juniper]

I was referring to the destroyed buildings since those are more likely to emit tons of asbestos powder

[dapper laurel]

Maybe she was referring to GDP per capita, which indicates the average wealth of each citizen, and not the total wealth of a billion people 😂

[thorny steeple]

The ones Standing are probably tofu dred projects

[manic juniper]

There are poor countries that follow asbestos regulations

[thorny steeple]

Hahahahaha oh well mistakes happens

[manic juniper]

I don't know if China does, but knowing the political situation of Palestine is practically inexistent I guess they have not banned its use or modernised many buildings

[dapper laurel]

However, I don't think she was referring to China

[thorny steeple]

Actually manchus are the only tungusic people with enough people to form a country itw, there are not even 100.000 in Russia for instance

[manic juniper]

You don't need that many people to form a country, San Marino exists

Tuvans should have their own country

[feral river]

Tuvans are ethnically Chinese what are you talking about ?

Tannu Tuvan is the part of Republic of China

[manic juniper]

Most of them are of Russian nationality tf are you saying

[thorny steeple]

Damn

[manic juniper]

280k in Russia

[feral river]

bro that's a land Russian stolen from us

[manic juniper]

Rightfully won

[feral river]

I see

[thorny steeple]

Are they turkic or tungusic)

[feral river]

yeah they won.

[manic juniper]

I must be asleep because there is no way I'd ever defend Russia

[feral river]

Soviet also won fight against Finland.

[manic juniper]

Turkic

[manic juniper]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

Not enough to be a independent country

Bashkirs and Tatars should be independent tho

[manic juniper]

Why not if San Marino exists

[thorny steeple]

By luck is that san Marino Exists

[thorny steeple]

Nowadays it's very hard to break free from imperialistic powers such as China and Russia. But I know you're kind of dreaming

[manic juniper]

Italy is the most cucked country, it has two microstates

I don't get why they didn't just storm Vatican City once WW2 was over

San Marino has some rights to exist at least

[thorny steeple]

Well one by luck and the other due to religion

[thorny steeple]

Thanks to Fascist Italy and its treaty to form the smallest country itw

[manic juniper]

It was due fascism

[thorny steeple]

Yep but the Pope pestering too

[manic juniper]

Imagine having a State with virtually no army where your own people disappear, why should that thing exist? I'd order its conquest after the first incident there

[thorny steeple]

The craziest part is that it has 0,44 km²

[thorny steeple]

Well the papacy used to be massive once

Like you can round its borders by walking too fast

Liechtenstein another European country had a army once same with San Marino

[manic juniper]

A paper tiger

[thorny steeple]

Back before Italian unification the papacy had a well standing army

[prisma cipher]

Why not, I like Russia

[manic juniper]

Yeah because you're Russian

[prisma cipher]

I mean there are Russian who don't like Russia

[manic juniper]

I know, I have some in my family

But they don't live in Russia anymore

[prisma cipher]

@manic juniper so you are at least half Russian?

[manic juniper]

No, they are not ethnic Russian, some still have Russian citizenship

[thorny steeple]

Would you fight against Russia

[manic juniper]

They are Siberian Finns

[manic juniper]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

What about Karelia finns

[manic juniper]

They lived alongside them too

[fossil lynx]

Hello, I need help. Could anyone tell me their understanding of how narratives shape our world?

[prisma cipher]

Flat

[thorny steeple]

Well they got not choice

[manic juniper]

The first of them were deported alongside Karelians, Ingrians, Izhorians and Sámi to Nenets and Komi

[thorny steeple]

Back when the union was a thing

@manic juniper is the eugenics project that happened in the early 20s talked about on history classes in Finland and other nordic countries?

@manic juniper how are the Sami people treated?

[thorn lagoon]

Evenki in Russia .
They look mixed

[manic juniper]

Badly

[thorny steeple]

You Sami?

[manic juniper]

We didn't have that, only in the 50s to the 70s and without many people involved, we had instances before the 50s that were outright illegal and without consent but yes they're taught

There was a huge outrage in Denmark when it became public that Greenlandic were being sterilised without their consent

[thorny steeple]

Interesting did it stopped?

[manic juniper]

no but I live close to a Sámi community, their language is barely spoken anymore and it's worse in the Scandinavian countries plus they have no regional autonomy like Åland

[manic juniper]

To our knowledge yes

[thorny steeple]

Sweeden literally opened a department to study racial purity and its results

But later they replaced it with a genetics department

Few people know that in Latin America

[manic juniper]

Already in the 19th century they started classifying us as that one pseudorace whose name is related to the country of Mongolia

[thorny steeple]

Oh that sucks.

?def isfrun

[cursive bobcat]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[manic juniper]

We weren't true Caucasians to them, but they aren't Caucasian either

[thorny steeple]

It was in the whole world, eugenics reached its peak after Darwin's consolidation on the sience field

Especially France

[thorny steeple]

Well the Sami bring there for a long time

[thorny steeple]

That's sad how did this came to be

[thorn lagoon]

Mongols are build different

[thorny steeple]

It's ironic to think that Mongoloids were regarded as the smarter race in that period

[manic juniper]

Fundamental misinterpretation of how evolution and genetics work

[thorny steeple]

They are

[thorny steeple]

Well did Darwin participate in this?

[manic juniper]

Not in Sweden for sure, we were thought of as inferior

[thorn lagoon]

No wonder they almost conquered whole of Eurasia 🗿

[manic juniper]

No, Darwin didn't know about genetics when he first made his discoveries about evolution

[thorny steeple]

Great

[prisma cipher]

Who are those

[thorny steeple]

With horses and arrows

[thorny steeple]

It is known today that we can't classify humans in just three races. If we tried to do so, there would be more than 300 human races

They also thought that the size of our skull was related to intelligence

[thorny steeple]

Well sh*t that sure is not good

And it's been largely debunked

[thorny steeple]

Thought it was Soumu

Or Soume

[thorn lagoon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/cZ2SgxMep14?si=HjCQglN5lqgLN_nY

[thorn lagoon]

They are mongols

[manic juniper]

Besides some isolated regions in the world it'd be impossible with 300 as well

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah ,cranial measurement 😂

[thorny steeple]

And the difference people's

[thorny steeple]

Of dead skulls

[prisma cipher]

Damn

[thorn lagoon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mathematical_Olympiad

so chinese are good at maths

[thorn lagoon]

They have been dominating this competition from 1989 onwards ..

[thorn lagoon]

Are you russian ?

[manic juniper]

Romania and Hungary being top 6 with less than 20 millions people

[prisma cipher]

Definitely not Russian

[manic juniper]

Must be Albanian

[thorn lagoon]

Soviet Union 🦉

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah,they must be mathing hard I guess 🦉🗿

[manic juniper]

It has to do with their educational system

[manic juniper]

It favours only the top students rather than trying to teach all the same skills

[formal pilot]

What bro is wafflin about

[formal pilot]

[formal pilot]

Why indians aren't there

[thorn lagoon]

India is there at 26th position

[formal pilot]

Dayammm with population over 1B

Most of USA gold medalist are Chinese by ethnicity

I wonder is it just a cultural thing or something to do with genetics

[thorn lagoon]

cultural thing

unless its proven that chinese are somewhat racially/genetically better at maths

[feral river]

the secret was not genetically and racially better at math but thanks to the education system and Chinese lanaguge.

[rose eagle]

Totally agree as a Vietnamese

[rose eagle]

cramming education 💀

gaokao 💀

[rose eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-laughing-josuke-okuyasu-rolling-gif-6962966962548607625

[pale mantle]

Hi guys

[covert swallow]

How does Chinese language benefit students' math?

[feral river]

for example when we say, 1 is actually 一, when we say 10 is actually 十, when we say 11 is actually 十一

when we say, 2 is actually 二, when we say 10 is actually 十, when we say 20 is actually 二十

so what is 21 ? 二十一

not freaking twenty-one or twenty or twelve or eleven

[thorny steeple]

When did this become a math server

[dapper laurel]

This reminds me of the Roman system

Like
1= I
2= II
3= III
4= IV
5= V
And so on

[thorny steeple]

Same interest system

Where do you the Romans got the idea from?

[dapper laurel]

My ancestors did not have 0 in their number system, which is why they adopted this symbolism

[feral river]

1=一 2=二 3=三 4=四 5=五 6=六 7=七 8=八 9=九 10=十 100=百 1000=千 10000=万 100000=十万 1000000=百万

[covert swallow]

This method of presenting large numbers is straightforward, but I question its effectiveness for math ability of Chinese students.

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[dapper laurel]

I think it's just their school system

[feral river]

we have that, called 零

0 = 零 or 〇

and we use it, till now

[dapper laurel]

Lucky you, the Romans instead were thinking of the Greek baddies and the conquest of Gaul all time

[thorn lagoon]

You need sunya

[covert swallow]

No, this is used by every school in China.

[dapper laurel]

What is that?

[thorn lagoon]

Empty or 0

[dapper laurel]

They obviously knew the concept of 0, but it was just an abstraction

[covert swallow]

Understanding the concept of zero is a giant leap in history.

[thorny steeple]

Thanks to the Abbasids, now we have 0 in our system

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

Without them mathematics would be weird

And incomplete

Until Hulagu Khan come there and destroy Baghdad

[thorn lagoon]

Thanks to Aryabhatta and brahmagupta

[balmy matrix]

how

[toxic dagger]

Hello!!

[thorny steeple]

hi

[thorn lagoon]

They probably had the idea of zero but the usage of symbol in a base-10 positional system is in the Bakshali manuscript and in a jain text

it says it wasnt positional

from the bakshali manuscript

this dot is the precursor to the mordern symbol of zero ( hollow)

[formal pilot]

[thorn lagoon]

" were not positional"

[golden pewter]

Ra!

[thorn lagoon]

It's not weighted/positional so yeah ,modern concept of zero comes from India .

[formal pilot]

What zero has to with positional or non positional number system??

I'm not cultured enough about this

[thorn lagoon]

Using it in a positional system is an innovation .
Nobody did this before

[formal pilot]

What it has to do with zero

[thorn lagoon]

First, you must know what weight is in a number system

Innovation is the practical implementation of ideas that result in the introduction of new goods or services or improvement in offering goods or services.

"new improvement "

[formal pilot]

positional number system is one where the value of a digit depends on its position within the number

It's about expressing the number

[thorn lagoon]

Improving something is innovation

[formal pilot]

What zero has to do with it

Maybe I should ask GPT

[thorny steeple]

Imagine the Spanish sailing to America just to find out that another civilization had a more advanced math system than they did

[thorn lagoon]

Innovation, for its part, can refer to something new or to a change made to an existing product, idea, or field. One might say that the first telephone was an invention, the first cellular telephone either an invention or an innovation, and the first smartphone an innovation.

Also ,you have to prove that the basic principles of Zero werent discovered by Indian independently

Still it's an innovation

[thorn lagoon]

Using zero in a postional base-10 weighted number system is an innovation .
Innovation can also mean change or improvement made to an already existing idea or system

No, the usage of zero is in a weighted sense is an innovation by the Indian mathematician

[versed rain]

Hi

Indian mathematicians founded zero.

We learn it like it.

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah ,it's called weighted system .
The poisition of a digit have different weight ,with the rightmost(position 0 ) i.e one's place having 1 weight
So, zero has never been used in this positional way before ...
Egyptian had the idea of zero but it's not positional/weighted

Egyptian system weren't weighted

What doesn't make sense ?

Weighted positional system is much advance

[versed rain]

But they teachs same with my opinion in school that i typed.

Where are u from as country?

[thorn lagoon]

I never said Indian invented zero .
I only said they made an innovation .
This whole discussion is mere semantic disagreement

[versed rain]

uh, okay.

Is India good?

[thorn lagoon]

I was right to say that .
Nobody used it in that way before .

I said innovation not invention

[versed rain]

I don't knoe why but everyone says India is a poor and dirty country, their series and movies are to unrealistic.

[thorn lagoon]

really ?

Invention is the creation of a new product, process, or idea that has never been made before. It's about the original concept and its theoretical development, often requiring scientific skills and research & development efforts1.
Innovation, on the other hand, refers to the implementation of a new idea or the improvement of an existing product or process. It's about adding value and practical application, involving a set of marketing, technical, and strategic skills. Innovation can be seen in the practical use of inventions, making them accessible and beneficial to the public2.

no, i never wrote invention

ask the mod to view edit history

i only corrected the spelling

[versed rain]

.

[thorn lagoon]

what is this copium

[versed rain]

but a bit more than all

U are right

We have dubbing account on Instagram for annoying with dirty indian street food and servicement.

Is it in terms of accounts or cleanliness?

[thorn lagoon]

I said it was an innovation even before that comment 😂

[versed rain]

u can look at hindistansokaginlezzetleri for this instagram account.

I also saw the ritual of people bathing with cow dung during the pandemic from the video.

Frankly, I'm sorry that you converted because of cultural factors.

50 percent of young people in Turkey are atheists. All of them are religious situations that have developed because of the conservative Erdogan.

Huh akashi

🙂

[thorn lagoon]

Hello

Bot deleted my message wth

[versed rain]

ur message was too long.

[thorn lagoon]

That person never talks about Invention .
He only said " thanks to .... We have zero in our system"
What system?
Modern base-10 positional system ?
Then ,the credit goes to the Indian mathematician .
The Egyptian 0 wasn't positional and preety much useless in modern arithmetic.
Even Einstein praised the Indian mathematician for this

[formal pilot]

Gotcha, now it make sense

[versed rain]

Bro what does mean of toyota in your status part?

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/toyota-cat-meme-gif-8981041498658678924

[versed rain]

Ordinary events in the Middle East.

Are you one of them?

[formal pilot]

I'm asian

But I got some middle eastern genes

[versed rain]

middleeast is on asia.

[formal pilot]

My bad

[thorn lagoon]

Which nationality ?

[versed rain]

Arab i think

[formal pilot]

Nice try FBI

[versed rain]

Because Aladdin is arabian name.

[formal pilot]

It's not my real name

I like to be anonymous here

[versed rain]

russia, China , india, afghanistan?

[formal pilot]

Ayoo blud stop it

[versed rain]

oh my god

An ordinary Middle Eastern person with genetics.

[thorn lagoon]

Iam not a fed

[versed rain]

Lower the weapon

[formal pilot]

Me when I'm lying

[formal pilot]

I can't control it, yk

[thorn lagoon]

Open your door 🦉

[versed rain]

https://tenor.com/view/war-cat-war-kitten-cat-ak-cat-ak47-gif-26809997

[thorn lagoon]

🤣

[formal pilot]

[formal pilot]

This is kinda geh ngl

[thorn lagoon]

Fed's job

[versed rain]

akashi, are u european?

[formal pilot]

Do you think top intelligence agencies are always spying on people, irrespective of nationality?

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah ,iam white 🦉

[versed rain]

Are only Europeans white?

[thorn lagoon]

Sorry saar

[versed rain]

Bro, i was born in Istanbul, am i european or asian?

[thorn lagoon]

You are a Turk

[versed rain]

Yep 🙂

[thorn lagoon]

Are the Turks related to the mongol ?

I heard they followed tengrism before islam

[versed rain]

Never!

Not related with Mongol.

We fought the Mongols for centuries. We have no connection with them.

But before Islam, they believed in shamanism.

We also fought with Muslims for a while.

[trim kelp]

Ottoman empire 🗿

[versed rain]

No war, no sadness.

[thorn lagoon]

Yes, both mongolic and turkic people before seem to believe in the same sky God called Tengri
You can correct me on this one

[versed rain]

The Turks believed in more than one god.

[gray pasture]

Ottoman Empire….

[versed rain]

Is it good or bad comment?

[trim kelp]

I have never met a turk my age that was cool 💀

[versed rain]

What?

[gray pasture]

Good comment

[trim kelp]

Most turks my age (where I live) seem to dislike almost anyone that is not a turk

[versed rain]

Where do u live?

[trim kelp]

Netherlands

[gray pasture]

Turkey also Turkish person is different we not like that another person or country (I think)

[gray pasture]

Wow

[versed rain]

Turkish people are not arrogant, they are hospitable. They do not see anyone as low.

[trim kelp]

Yeah i've heard that too

Just the turks here are a bit odd

Actual Turkish people are A+

Especially the elders

[versed rain]

The majority of the Turks you see in Germany are mulattoes of Arab origin. Turks have a custom not to live in a foreign country.

[trim kelp]

Yeah that aswell

But y'all are cool. I respect 🫡

[versed rain]

Turks, for example, are mostly not brunettes, but sometimes I see on Instagram or somewhere else that they introduce themselves as Turks and their hair is jet black. Of course, there are black ones, but they don't look like Arabs. For this reason, most people think that Turks are Arabs.

[versed rain]

you too.

[trim kelp]

Turkish food tho

[versed rain]

In our country, Arab culture is not liked at all, especially because of the damage caused by the Syrians, and they usually appear in the news as perverted

[trim kelp]

Yeah I get that

[versed rain]

There are a lot of news in our news about the rape of Syrians. But it doenst related with all.

[trim kelp]

Same thing happens here, especially with my Moroccan brothers & sisters

[balmy matrix]

Which are the most hated Arabic countries for you

[versed rain]

I hope that the Syrians will return to their country, our economy will improve, relations with Russia will be severed and we will enter the European Union.

[versed rain]

Saudi Arabia because we was have super league match in saudi arabia. They banned ataturk and Turkish flag posters.

[trim kelp]

Do you like ataturk?

[balmy matrix]

Whats your opinion on North African countries

[versed rain]

Yeah, sure.

[versed rain]

Idk too much things.

[balmy matrix]

Also I've heard about that cancelled match in sudia

It was trending

[versed rain]

That's what I said.

[trim kelp]

Yusuf important question

What football club u support? In turkey ofc

[versed rain]

The Turkish team returned to the country.

[versed rain]

Galatasaray.

[balmy matrix]

Why did they play in sudia lol

[trim kelp]

Yesss!!

[versed rain]

I don't know, I think it was the anniversary of something.

[balmy matrix]

I mean you guys deeply hate each other

That was expected

[versed rain]

Mike, are you the one i told you about the crazy mike on Turkish airlines?

[balmy matrix]

Yeah that's me

[versed rain]

The Turks did not like the arabs at all, especially with their betrayal in the Turkish War of Independence.

[balmy matrix]

I don't know much about it

Which countries exactly?

[versed rain]

While the British were attacking the Ottomans from below, they helped the British with their desire for independence.

[balmy matrix]

Which countries did betray?

[versed rain]

Syria, a part of iran, iraq, arabia, saudi arabia, palestine, israel.

In short, the integrity of the Middle East.

[balmy matrix]

Oh Alot

[versed rain]

What would you expect from that area. jaja

[balmy matrix]

Ikr

[trim kelp]

I like the arabian peninsula

Especially people from Yemen

[versed rain]

I don't know much because our relations are not very good. But I can't say anything about people.

[balmy matrix]

People were just too bored without internet back then and started to invade each other I guess

[versed rain]

Now, Britain supports almost all of Turkey's moves. The balance changes.

[trim kelp]

Fr

[balmy matrix]

At least we can compare the land of Britain with and without internet lol

[versed rain]

In the Palestinian-Israeli war, no one wants a ceasefire except Turkey.

I don't defend Turkey, in fact, there are many aspects of it that I don't like, but this is a fact.

I also don't take sides.

[sudden ocean]

Hi

Do you have something to tell me?

Seems like you might have.

no i don't need research

Think of 10 people you know

How many of them know about that company?

Okay, that's enough.

Is it because of geological since India is huge country?

Do you find it useful?

How did you know about that as soon I said mention Vinod?

[manic juniper]

Mammals, especially humans, are the problem

I don't know why mammals chose not to intervene and stop humans

[thorn lagoon]

I see .
They also believe in tengri right ?

Before islam ofcourse

[manic juniper]

Once Jahtodokõn will complete their intergalactic migration they will punish humans and their allied species

[versed rain]

Yes

But tengri is an old turkish word.

And it means God.

It's not about what the Mongols believed.

[thorn lagoon]

You can correct me

But ,it says the Mongols also believe in Tengri

[manic juniper]

Yes, they did

In the past deities weren't really restricted to an ethnicity or another, Mongols call it Taangri

[thorn lagoon]

Yeah ,that's what I thought

[thorn lagoon]

They are referring to the same deity right ?

[manic juniper]

For example Estonians believed in Taara, similar to how the Norse referred to him as Thor

[thorn lagoon]

Both Tengri and Tangri?

[manic juniper]

Yes and no, Tengri is more of a pantheistic entity/deity, but yes the concept was fundamentally the same

That Tengri resides in everything and everything is Tengri, the universe is Tengri

They believed in other deities besides Tengri, but they thought that they were all part of Tengri

[thorn lagoon]

Interesting

[thorn lagoon]

Monistic I guess

[manic juniper]

Some Greek philosophers had similar beliefs, and Romuva and some schools of Hinduism also did

[thorn lagoon]

Yes ,in Hinduism ,it's Brahman

[versed rain]

The gods they believe in are not the same, but I heard that the Turks believed in the sky god only for a short time.

[thorn lagoon]

Brahman is the metaphysical foundation of our world and is our real Self/Essence

[thorn lagoon]

I would argue that the greek neoplatonist had the same metaphysics

The One (To Hen )

[versed rain]

That is the summary.

[manic juniper]

Most people from Siberia or northern Asia used to be some kind of shamanic/animists

[thorn lagoon]

The Relationship between Brahman and the individual self differs from school to school .
But ,in the non-dualistic school (Advaita ) ,there is no difference between this one eternal immutable essence( Brahman ) and the Jiva (the individual) but that the individual is only ignorant about this identity

[versed rain]

The main religion of the Turks is shamanism. In addition, for a short period of time, they had a belief in a customized god of sky. They fought with the Umayyads, and after a certain period of time after meeting the Abbasids, they converted to Islam.

[thorn lagoon]

Interesting

Are you a muslim?

Or an atheist ?

[versed rain]

Yep. But who cares? We are human being.

[thorn lagoon]

Yes ,true

https://www.thecollector.com/the-eleusinian-mysteries-ancient-greece/

Were they using psychedelic here ?
I remember a scholar saying they were

During the rituals of the Eleusinian Mysteries, the initiates consumed “kukeon,” a barley-based beer. According to Brian Muraresku, the author of The Immortality Key, the kukeon brew was likely psychedelic because it contained ergot—a fungus that possesses hallucinogenic properties.

[versed rain]

I would like to know how European countries see Turkey cutting off trade with Israel until a ceasefire is reached. @manic juniper

[manic juniper]

I haven't heard of that

[versed rain]

It happened 4 days ago.

How do you think it's seen?

@balmy matrix i think u was european. What is ur mind?

[manic juniper]

Most people don't care much about Israel or Palestine here, those few that care about Palestine probably appreciate

Most countries in the EU don't even seem consistently aligned, some openly support Palestine like Spain, others don't care like Finland

[versed rain]

I would like to have the peace of mind of Europe.

You are very lucky to be away from such attacks.

[manic juniper]

There are countries that border Ukraine in the EU

Some even received collateral damage from it

[versed rain]

You can't compare it to a country that has Syria, Iraq and Iran or even worse in the south.

[manic juniper]

Lol some of these countries are tiny unlike Turkey

The slightest airspace violation is huge

Some have had their airspace violated for decades by now

[versed rain]

I don't understand if it is the misfortune of the Turkish people, how Azerbaijan in Europe :(. Wouldn't it be possible if they took the Mesopotamian upper when drawing the map?

[thorn lagoon]

Russia vs Ukraine is in Europe

[versed rain]

This is very disturbing. Everything 😦 against us

[manic juniper]

Only two countries within Europe (three if we include Belarus when their president chooses to act like a joker) cause border issues to all the others

One of them is large enough that they feel the need to annoy everyone around them

[versed rain]

Unfortunately, I can't focus on what you re saying before this finishes upsetting me.

[thorny steeple]

Oh well that's cycle of Russia post Soviet Union

[versed rain]

@manic juniper Did you draw the map of Europe, tell the truth? 😢

[manic juniper]

? I don't understand the victimism

If I was in charge of that there would only be microstates except for Estonia

[versed rain]

Turkey has remained like a framework, even Azerbaijan is in Europe, but Turkey is not.

So it's mostly

[manic juniper]

Turkey is transcontinental

Is it good or bad that part of it is in Europe?

[versed rain]

I would like them all to be in Europe

[thorny steeple]

Blimey it must me interesting eh

[versed rain]

Turkey's rights have been defeated again.

There is also the issue of whether Turkey is European or not.

[manic juniper]

It's transcontinental just like Russia or Kazakhstan

Or Spain

[versed rain]

Who says from which contiguous piece of land the borders will be drawn when Asia and Europe are contiguous?

[thorny steeple]

And Egypt

[manic juniper]

Urals, sea, Caucasus

[thorny steeple]

Caspian sea

[versed rain]

Frankly, I think it would be more accurate to draw a map of Europe in line with the Bosphorus that Turkey has.

[thorny steeple]

Black sea

[thorny steeple]

That would make it more interesting due to redrawings of map

[versed rain]

Like this thing, to consider Asia as European and to see turkey as partially European because Turkey has the Bosphorus.

[manic juniper]

It's just formality, there are countries outside of Europe that feel more European like Australia or New Zealand

[versed rain]

True, Turkey will always continue to be a lonely child. 😢

[manic juniper]

There is Azerbaijan close by

[versed rain]

Not in that sense. In most ways, we are unlucky.

[manic juniper]

Isn't everyone

Some more than others

[thorny steeple]

Well that's understandable

[thorny steeple]

Don't forget Indonesia

Continents is a sociopolitical concept, if it were based off physical characteristics, there would be a continent called Afro-Eurasia

[manic juniper]

I wasn't making a list lol

[high nacelle]

Aywaaa

[feral river]

You can move the capital to Istanbul then turkey will be a European country 😂

That’s how Russia was defined as a European one

[dapper laurel]

Turkey will never be European, there are too many economic and cultural differences, Russia is European because its people originated in Europe or from the Caucasian steppes (a place where all Europeans have a common ancestor)

[thorny steeple]

Great points. did wish erdogan wasn't damaging the country tbh

[feral river]

I mean isn’t the destination of capital will define it was in Europe or Asia ?

[dapper laurel]

I think it is mainly a cultural factor, even Cyprus is not in Europe, but is considered European from a cultural point of view

[thorny steeple]

Probably due to having Christians

[dapper laurel]

Yes, probably, but it's important to remember that there are some European countries that have a muslim majority

[thorny steeple]

True Spain used to have massive Muslim majority

[feral river]

well in my opinion it clearly has crucial factors and its prioritize is above other factors, like geopolitical and economy than cultural.

at this point I guess it's because Turkey's capital is in Asia not europe.

[dapper laurel]

Bro, trust me, for Turkey changing the capital is of little use, placing the capital in Istanbul will not make Turkey European, like placing the capital in Lampedusa (an Italian island in Africa) will not make Italy African

Their capital throughout history was Istanbul, but they were not considered European

[feral river]

well that's not what you think like changing the capial is of little use, it is the set one's countries political center and it affect a lot of things even some country converted its culture and focus because changing capital.

[thorny steeple]

Not even when it was Constantinople?

[feral river]

changing capital is definitely a big issue.

[dapper laurel]

Constantinople was Greek, at the time it could be considered European

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[dapper laurel]

It also depends a lot on the economy of the country, for example in Italy modern culture is mainly influenced by the north, which is the most productive part, even if the capital is located in the south

[feral river]

that would be crazy if Italian's capital in Africa if it realizes maybe Italy will be influenced more from Africa not Europe, everyone comes to capital to managing their business in Africa not Europe, Europe nativism and central government conflict etc. etc. etc. and more.

that's definitely not a simple thing.

[feral river]

geopolitical reason more over economy.

[dapper laurel]

The function of the capital has taken on a completely different role, the world is now interconnected, the capital only plays an institutional role, but no longer determines the center of a country

[feral river]

the interconnected of the world is based on global economy and global order which based on US, UK, Russia, China and France.

your country is in Europe pretty safe no aggressive neighbor, economy prosperous.

let's see Turkey, west is European Union, not bad but still has small issues, north is Russia and other small states like Azerbajian, several conflicts happen, in their territory, kurds rebels, in the south Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, civil war, proxy war etc.

let's see China, north is Russia, Mongolia not bad, and both freaking Korea annoying, in the sea, Japan, Phillipines, rival government Taiwan, south, Myanmar in civil war, pro-american vietnam, cambodia, and about Tibet, Sino-India conflict, Sino-Butan conflict, about the west not really bad till now but Taliban, and stan nations.

[dapper laurel]

Sorry I have to leave the conversation, I'm on the way to school and I'm busy with different things, like looking left and right before crossing the street and stuff like that

[feral river]

that's not really interconnected

[feral river]

ok

[dapper laurel]

I will read it after all and reply

[feral river]

I think China will easily be a superpower soon if we switch places with the US and get rid of those annoying neighbor instead of obedient Mexico and Canadian son. (just kidding 🤣 )

[lusty zenith]

Scary

[formal pilot]

Burari family is still my fav

[thorny steeple]

i will stay a bachelor my whole life

[thorny steeple]

Damn why wiki

[thorny steeple]

us bro us.

[thorny steeple]

us

[thorny steeple]

read the old texts

[umbral escarp]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Ok wanna join beginner chat?

[dapper laurel]

In my opinion the United States built its power with blood, before Mexico was powerful and had many territories such as California and Arizona. Only after a war did they manage to make it inconsistent. While Canada instead represented Anglo-Saxon power in North America for a long time, so USA had many problems during their little history

[thorny steeple]

Cool

[feral river]

Yeah right their nice neighbors was “made” by themselves which their ancestors really did a good job

[sudden ocean]

It is said that US dollar will fall down to zero, does anyone wanna share opinion. I wonder if I have to replace all my USD saving into CNY.

Or EUR

It is what I often heard before, however I can hear it very often from influential people like Elon Musk.

[dapper laurel]

Ultimately the Anglo-Germans contributed to the creation of a powerful state like the USA

[versed rain]

Putin announced that: if England won't stop support Ukraine so militaryian aid, Russia will hit Ukraine and except borders of Ukraine. because Ukraine hits area of Russia.

NATO is one heart against Russia!

[prisma cipher]

He doesn't said like that. if Ukraine uses a British missile to strike Russian territory, then Russia will strike British military targets in Ukraine and beyond its borders

he said this in response to statements by the British, who said that they allow the Ukrainians to use their weapons to attack Russia

[dawn spindle]

Hi

[jade knot]

aslamalikom

what u want ?

[junior viper]

Your boy?

[dawn spindle]

Hate

Punish me

[jade knot]

Where do you live ?

I'll come to do

[dawn spindle]

India lol

[jade knot]

why u supposed Israel ??

[dawn spindle]

Was joking

[jade knot]

@formal pilot

[lyric idol]

https://tenor.com/view/america-patriotic-eagle-usa-patriotism-gif-9438241

[jade knot]

ok , then ?

[jade knot]

if u joke , why I'll punch you ??

[dapper laurel]

You won't do it🙃

[shut iris]

Because you’re Palestinian, everyone from Palestine/Jordan/Syria/Lebanon has anger issues 😂

[shut iris]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-cold-canada-gif-19243732

[dapper laurel]

It's understandable, their countries are at war/civil war

[junior plume]

if you can't check your anger at the door when in an english learning server then you should prob be more productive with aid efforts

[jade knot]

bro , I'm not good in English 😅😅😂

[shut iris]

That’s why you’re here, to learn 😉

[jade knot]

because that, I don't tend to fight by English

[shut iris]

I get that, but you would be forced to respond back in English; when times get heated.

For example, when I got into that heated dumb argument with Karim and lferda the other day; it was weird bs

I was debating in both English and Arabic at the time; making it even harder as the latter isn’t my native language.

[jade knot]

||قصدك لما حطينا الي بقول انا رأيس الجيش في اسرائيل في الزاوية ؟||

[shut iris]

I didn’t see that, but I was talking about 2 days ago

At the end I took Sheikh’s advice and gained hasanat

[jade knot]

ohh

it's happened again

but I miss it

see photograph Chanel

@shut iris

[shut iris]

I sent some more

One of my hobbies is photography

[jade knot]

I mean what happened in the last scrolling back to see

[shut iris]

I translated a message that I saw first after I woke up

And then Karim + lferda attacked me for it, making it seem that I’m worse than the Israeli who was there

Because the Israeli translated the message incorrectly so I corrected it

It’s hilarious now that I look back at it

If you scroll back their messages from the fight are gone as they were softbanned

[manic juniper]

Free Myanmar

[high nacelle]

Eeeeey 🙂🗡

[shut iris]

Put the blade down akhi

[high nacelle]

🙂🙂🙂

[main shoal]

Hi

🤝

[jade knot]

come to DM

[manic juniper]

@formal pilot
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesosaur
First amniotes that became fully aquatic again and first possible viviparous amniotes

[cedar oar]

What a serene day at #🧠｜serious-chat

This is nice, I like this

Well, it's a little quiet for my liking, but I can at least stare at it

I'm gonna be honest here, nobody in particular, this is not the most entertaining thing I've done

[cedar oar]

Not only that, but every country on Earth needs to be freed. (I'll let you decide on who the liberators shall be.)

Well, there doesn't seem to be a sign of anybody coming here, so I'll just start writing.

Man, was The Prince of Egypt such a good movie. Everything about it was amazing. The animation was stunning, the music fabalously beautiful, and the story speaks for itself.

[dapper laurel]

Bros finally back

[cedar oar]

Back? Yeah, sure, I'm back

I was expecting a reply to one of my messages. It seems as if my anticipations have not correctly acquired future's intention

[dapper laurel]

What do you mean?

[cedar oar]

In short, I was expecting a reply, but that expectation was not to be realized

[dapper laurel]

I hadn't read everything you wrote 😅, I just wanted to say hello to you

Btw how are you?

[cedar oar]

I see, it all makes sense now

[cedar oar]

The usual, as always

[dapper laurel]

Mmmh

I'm at my grandparents' house and I just noticed that there are many images depicting Christ

[umbral escarp]

Hi

[dapper laurel]

There are at least five in the kitchen alone

[cedar oar]

Truly a devoted Christian, he certainly is

[cedar oar]

Okay, that might be a little overkill if I'm being honest

[shut iris]

You sound more formal than me

[cedar oar]

Also, I just recalled something. Is it not forbidden to idolize God or Jesus in Christianity?

[umbral escarp]

Hope thats good

[dapper laurel]

I like it, and I just found more in other areas of the house

[cedar oar]

A surprise indeed! Though I'm quite tired, and did not have the best day

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-trollface-sad-troll-gif-21649584

[dapper laurel]

Like 5

[umbral escarp]

Its not allowed to make a picture

[dapper laurel]

I don't think it's a problem

[cedar oar]

I think 1 is enough, man, though I don't know how big the house is

[cedar oar]

I should do some re-search on this. Be right back

[dapper laurel]

There are 7 rooms

[umbral escarp]

Not that big

[cedar oar]

Didn't bother doing much re-search, but I remember seeing a lot of people say that it isn't appropriate to do so

[cedar oar]

Fair enough, but 5 for one room is overkill in my opinion

Aye, it's the reptile enthusiast typing

[manic juniper]

I'm just saying random countries that need freedom like Western Sahara

Free Western Sahara

[dapper laurel]

However, idolizing God is not a sin, only doing so with other deities is

[cedar oar]

Yeah, fair enough. Though I still feel like we aren't truly free. My inner anarchism is slowly taking me over

[umbral escarp]

Its kinda sin

[dapper laurel]

Then in fact there are three in another room

[cedar oar]

I don't know about that. I'll do some actual re-search and see if it really is so or not

Man, I love Fridays. I really can't get enough of them

Anyway. Tankies contradicting themselves:

[dapper laurel]

I'm doing them right now, they say there's nothing wrong with it

But it depends on the Christian current of reference

Maybe Catholicism can be different from Orthodoxy in this case

[cedar oar]

Well, you are a more knowledgable Christian, but I'll still do some re-search for myself to find out if anybody contradicts that statement

[manic juniper]

I recall the Soviet soldiers crying in our labour camps

[cedar oar]

Wait, you actually do?

[manic juniper]

I wish I did, I wasn't alive back then

But I think my grandparents saw that

[cedar oar]

Well, you weren't. This however, does makes me recall a specific line from Nyet Molotov. The one where the singer sings about how "the Ivans" do not have a piece of bread

[dapper laurel]

I just asked my grandmother why this is, she is the highest religious authority in the family

[cedar oar]

Probably did

But honestly, you cannot blame the soldiers much. They had been brainwashed beyond comprehension

[dapper laurel]

She said that my grandfather often donates money to charity and that he receives several images of this kind, so as not to throw them away he displays them at home. With regard to whether it's a sin or not, she simply said no

[cedar oar]

I see. And props to your grand father for donating money. Though I believe those images could have been donated or gifted to others

[high nacelle]

I'm baaaaack 😃

[dapper laurel]

Mmmh, maybe

[cedar oar]

Anyway. I'll do my very thorough re-search later. (I shall spoil you with one detail. The re-search may not be thorough, and this may be satire or sarcastic.)

[dapper laurel]

One should never be sarcastic when talking about God

[cedar oar]

I was not talking about God though. It was the re-search I was talking about

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but, trust me, never be sarcastic in these situations

[cedar oar]

But I was simply being sarcastic about my message

[dapper laurel]

God does not forgive sarcasm

I'm joking

Btw

[cedar oar]

Got a good laugh out of that, and was about to say "Where did that come from?"

[thorny steeple]

How to become a teacher?how much i can charge?

Please help

<@&852814479569059840> please help

[dapper laurel]

However there are also depictions of Mary here, so everyone is idolized equally

[spring zephyr]

Sup?

[spring zephyr]

Send me a dm.

[thorny steeple]

What does he think about the Molotov-Ribbentrop treaty?

That Minecraft Chinese guy coming here to give the worst takes humankind has ever witnessed about communist atrocities

[jolly agate]

hello

[jolly agate]

a dream good dream

I'm pretty sure this guy has blocked me

[somber glade]

what's going on

[unique bramble]

Gender Neutral Names

Are “Angel” & “Sam” gender neutral names?

[prisma cipher]

what do we call invading? any victorious war, with a few exceptions, ends in a war on the side of the enemy. I sure that the USSR flag over Berlin is not what can be called an invasion example.

if you convince me that this is a direct example of an invasion. so the word invasion has a good meaning, because this is how a war with your enemy should end

I know why that dude show that picture. in case to show Russian invasion, because it well known pic, and dump kid like for real they put their flag over Germany, they are invaders. Don't be that dump and don't make propaganda work. 🙏

I’ll give you an absurd example, it’s intentionally stupid, so that even children can understand... A criminal get arrested, police go to criminal's house to take him. Police are invaders. End.

[manic juniper]

It was called an invasion

[manic juniper]

That's called a blitz

[prisma cipher]

it's called a play on words

[manic juniper]

I'd be interested to know how one could justify the invasion of Finland in WW2

[prisma cipher]

Do you want me to show you a propaganda technique? if that picture serves as the main evidence of the Russian invasion. this means Russia has never invaded anywhere.@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

Most countries invaded other countries, besides I'm not talking about Russia since it wasn't a country back then

[prisma cipher]

End

I'm going sleep

[manic juniper]

I'm asking about USSR

I guess there was no good justification

[prisma cipher]

But USSR don't judging by pic

Bye

[manic juniper]

The picture says that USSR invaded Finland and everyone knows the Winter War

[prisma cipher]

But they show not Finland or Afghanistan.

So

[manic juniper]

?

[prisma cipher]

You know why he do that

Because no one know those episodes

He show Germany

[manic juniper]

If a picture focuses on one thing I don't understand what other things have to do with it

[prisma cipher]

Pure propaganda

[manic juniper]

Saying that a country invades another is perfectly normal

[prisma cipher]

[manic juniper]

If I say that my neighbour stole my bike he doesn't need to say all the crimes committed by my ancestors, because we are talking about him

[prisma cipher]

All analogies are bad, I don’t like to use analogies. my example with the police was for stupid children.

If they read it

[manic juniper]

But you started with one

Maybe it's better if you just go to sleep if your intention is to avoid answering

[prisma cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-smile-jack-nicholson-yes-nod-gif-14306654

[grave temple]

tankies huh?

[formal pilot]

First viviparous sounds interesting, tell me more about reproductive mode

How can be something first viviparous

[formal pilot]

Blud you died or what?? I haven't seen you in a while

[formal pilot]

@split shadow i think this is what you were trying to say during politics & religion discussion

About Wales having legs and eventually evolving to fish like mammals

[manic juniper]

First viviparous amniotes, the very first viviparous animals may have been sharks or other fishes

[formal pilot]

Lmao i can explain you my question, my English sucks

[manic juniper]

Whales still have the hind limbs

They're just detached and not working anymore

[formal pilot]

How can be something First viviparous, like they born by cracking eggs and now all of a sudden they're popping babies instead of egg

[manic juniper]

They still have the basal mammalian digit amount, which is five, while fully aquatic reptiles often developed polydactylia (extra digits)

[manic juniper]

The egg shell gets increasingly thinner, to the point it doesn't exist anymore, the egg stays inside the body for longer (some reptiles like crocodilians do this, but they're not viviparous)

They found aquatic reptile eggs, so they suspect that not all of them evolved viviparity but some kept laying late stage embryos inside thin shelled eggs

This is about Cretaceous reptiles I believe, so either sauropterygians or mosasaurs, it's unlikely ichthyosaurs kept the egg shell

[formal pilot]

Shell gets thinner ,it can't be a drastic change, right?? So there must be a point at which a animal is viviparous and oviparous at the same time

[feral river]

Not gonna lie USSR would invade any country that benefit themselves.

[sudden ocean]

What about your country?

[feral river]

We have that peaceful cooperation agreement

[sudden ocean]

What about China's support for southern Vietnam historically?

Actually China and USSR has one thing in common, they had no rule.

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_coexistence?wprov=sfti1

[sudden ocean]

Done it, and try to justify it.

[feral river]

Hummm China annexed a small island from Southern Vietnam

[sudden ocean]

Is that because China was weaker than USSR.

They needed much help from USSR.

I'm not sure USSR made such China, however we can't reverse the time.

[feral river]

I can sure that China has much rule than USSR only because the global order which established by the 5 global powers only USSR and US are the 2 superpower in before and global economy is based on the US

If global economy is based on China, of course we are the side gonna focus on rule because this order is based on us

No doubt

Now it’s not, now it’s based on our geopolitical enemy, US

Why we gonna care their rule then

[sudden ocean]

Real peace is balance of peace, they say. However I'm too young to just accept it.

Maybe we can find another defi of peace.

In our generation.

[feral river]

Politic is the war without blood, war is the politic with blood. Mao Zedong

I think it’s truth.

[sudden ocean]

My only favorite Chinese book is currency wars by song hong bing.
Can you send me English version of that book?

[feral river]

Dignity only exist on the point of sword, truth only exist in the attacking range of an artillery.

尊严只在剑锋之上，真理只在大炮射程之内

[sudden ocean]

Who said that?

[thorny steeple]

are ub from china

[feral river]

A professor from Peking university, Ai

[feral river]

I’m from China yes

[sudden ocean]

What about my request?

[feral river]

A professor from Peking university, Ai

[thorny steeple]

good can i tell some questions

[feral river]

Np

[sudden ocean]

I mean send me book.

I don't wanna buy it however.

[feral river]

Hummmm book ? I didn’t read it I just heard some word from him

[sudden ocean]

Just learn more words in English, will make arguments with you.

What am I saying? Prove the truth against you.

[feral river]

He’s name is Ai yuejin

[feral river]

I’m not sure what information you want to convey but I’m confused right now

[feral river]

Yeah sure

[feral river]

I never read that

[sudden ocean]

People always focus on what happend. That books wanted to reveal the truth behind it.
I mean not to focus political event too much.

[thorny steeple]

why is these years china come from country so poor to country has lots of money and force to world

[feral river]

Opening up and reform which drafted by Deng and implemented by Jiang

[feral river]

I see

[sudden ocean]

I've learned much things from his book, and surprised by one Chinese with wider vision.

[thorny steeple]

but dinag tp bad things in china

[feral river]

Depends what bad thing it is, maybe the bad thing in your eye is the good thing in our eye.

[thorny steeple]

as what

[cedar oar]

I don't know. But if I had to guess, it would be something stupid

[cedar oar]

I don't argue with tankies. They all have the same stupid, whataboutist, straw men arguements

[cedar oar]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[cedar oar]

They cannot. Frankly, save your time and sanity, Isfrun, they are not to be reasoned with

[prisma cipher]

my goal is to explain my point of view, not to argue

[cedar oar]

They were enslaving liberating the people! 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[prisma cipher]

I don't know what he is think but.. This is a non-attack agreement when a country next to you behaves aggressively and this country is very strong. I can understand the motivation for such an agreement.

For some reason, it seems to me that none of you even tried to understand the situation at that time, you simply think we have agreement and that means we are bad.

[mellow inlet]

Anyone here

[brave bridge]

yeah me

wanna chat?

[vapid hare]

but by signing a pact with Nazi germany, the USSR compromised their ideological principles by legitimizing Hitler's regime and the fascists. Also demonstrated that the USSR's foreign policy was driven solely by pragmatism and Realpolitik rather than ideology

[cedar oar]

Papa Stalin had noble intentions, trust me bro 🗣️

[vapid hare]

Noble intentions of siding with Germany and doing global domination together

[cedar oar]

Yeah! I'm sure he cared a lot about the proletariat of the other countries though

[vapid hare]

he definitely cared a lot about his citizens

[cedar oar]

Yeah, same with Pol (Western) Plot and every other "communist" leader

[vapid hare]

Pol pot was backed by the western powers therefore he wasn't real communism. Case closed

[prisma cipher]

next to you is a country with a million-strong army that behaves aggressively. this is not the time when you put your ideology to the fore. Ideally, you need to defend your beliefs, but the price for this is millions of your people and nothing else. I can understand the actions of the USSR, yes I can and consider them correct in that situation @cedar oar

[vapid hare]

They sided with their archenemy who practiced an ideology antithetical to their own

[cedar oar]

W- well, Vietnam attack them, and thus we must side with the glorious CCP and defend Pot

[cedar oar]

Read a history book, and an English one, and an entire book for the definition for "Invasion"

[prisma cipher]

I have nothing to add, you just can't understand

[vapid hare]

ik it was just the most pragmatic thing to do in their situation but still.

what is this Anti-HCM propaganda

[cedar oar]

Vale, the Western powers must be Pol Plotting our country! Let's kill 25% of our population!

[prisma cipher]

I know how the actions of the USSR are explained from the point of view of Western countries.

[vapid hare]

also kill the intellectuals 🗣️

[cedar oar]

Oh, please. Do yourself a favour and do what I said

[prisma cipher]

Still what.. It's not 100 we would win Germany. It's cool when you know we win them talk about it, we can lost

You truly don't understand?

[cedar oar]

Yeah! They're a great danger to the stability of our country!

[prisma cipher]

And all our ideology all people got nothing

[vapid hare]

We? you're russian?

[prisma cipher]

Don't try to make agree will be dumb

[vapid hare]

no four eyes in OUR country

[cedar oar]

Hell yeah! Also kill anyone with a slightly different opinion from ours mine

[cedar oar]

Fix your English before trying to call him dumb

[vapid hare]

yeah, anyone who disagrees with~~ my~~ OUR opinion is a traitor

[cedar oar]

Yeah! Death to the fascist liberal pigs who want a fair country for everyone!

[vapid hare]

how dare they want a western-style democracy, an eastern-style "democracy" is best for everyone

[cedar oar]

Yeah! Those westerners will ruin everything we have done for the proletariat!

[vapid hare]

the proles must love our regime, right?

[cedar oar]

Of course! Why wouldn't they? They, after all, have yet not protested or submitted any complaints about our regime

[prisma cipher]

I know all the main theses of Western countries on these events, how they explai n it.

[vapid hare]

yes. No protesters at all 👍

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/black-kid-arguing-into-camera-21st-century-humor-gif-21110340

[prisma cipher]

I know how this agreement is explained by the West. What should I read there that I don’t know?

[cedar oar]

Must be a good sign

[vapid hare]

Explain the cold war from your point of view

[cedar oar]

Glorious "Communists" against the fascist liberal capitalist pigs

[vapid hare]

the glorious struggle of the proletariat against the fascist liberal trotskyist capitalist anarchist pigs

[cedar oar]

Anarkiddes*

[vapid hare]

the anarkids

did putin get neyro

[cedar oar]

I really wanna make a questionabke Catholic clergy joke, but I'm quite afraid of the consequences

[vapid hare]

I thought the same thing lmao

[cedar oar]

He disrupted the glorious regime of our totally democratically elected leader Putin II 'The Controversial'

[prisma cipher]

[cedar oar]

The group chat has temped our minds

[vapid hare]

Democratically elected for 20 years! Such a popular leader he is

[vapid hare]

epitome of degeneracy

[cedar oar]

I just realized we're in #🧠｜serious-chat again.

[cedar oar]

Epitome of your average Discord group chat

[vapid hare]

every group chat has someone like Bill

[cedar oar]

Or Vi

[vapid hare]

or both

[cedar oar]

Yeah! (We're the good guys)

[vapid hare]

the Conservative Party truly is the supreme good

[cedar oar]

Of course it is. There is a reason for why it's the current ruling party after all

[vapid hare]

We have been ruling since the dawn of time. Adam and Eve were our first members

[cedar oar]

But, My Liege-

[prisma cipher]

Where are you both from?

Yes I'm ruski by the way

[vapid hare]

oooh nice

you're allowed to use discord there?

[prisma cipher]

Discord isn't blocked

[vapid hare]

what is blocked in russia btw

[prisma cipher]

All meta ap are blocked

[vapid hare]

Meta as in FB and IG?

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[vapid hare]

what about whatsapp

"alleged" @cedar oar

[prisma cipher]

they are blocked in response. Facebook allowed Ukrainians to insult Russian soldiers in posts, this was an official statement.

Whatsup is working

[vapid hare]

do you have your own versions of FB and IG there

[cedar oar]

See? China and North Korea supported them! The rest of the non-"communist" regimes are just Western propoganda

[vapid hare]

Vietnam is officially non-communist now

[prisma cipher]

Fb mostly no one use among Russian we have vk. We don't have analogue of IG

[vapid hare]

VK is short for?

[cedar oar]

They were traitors at the end of the day, not much of a loss

[prisma cipher]

Vkontakte

[vapid hare]

is that a russian-only app

[prisma cipher]

@vapid hare mostly Russian use it but you can download it. It big thing they have music video service game in it

[vapid hare]

Im guessing its not on the playstore lmao

[prisma cipher]

Vk game is lame, but music and video is big

[vapid hare]

@cedar oar ordered me to send this

[cedar oar]

Hell yeah! Awesome and true meme

[vapid hare]

damnn what games does VK have

[prisma cipher]

@vapid hare some Russian. Like a said it's lame at the moment.

[vapid hare]

what about music and videos

[prisma cipher]

It's second after YouTube. They have millions of views on some video. Like what I'm watching have several millions

[vapid hare]

is that the russian version of youtube? coooool

[prisma cipher]

Yes kinda no mostly we use YouTube.

I don't use vk services, I prefer Yandex

Another big thing in Russia

It search gigaant here, kinda like Google, kinda like Google services

[vapid hare]

Yandex is popular here as a way to seach for corn lmao

[vapid hare]

I see

[prisma cipher]

Like use Yandex map or Yandex music

Yandex go for taxi

[vapid hare]

monopoly?

[prisma cipher]

Yandex market for buying stuff

[vapid hare]

like amazon

[prisma cipher]

We have two vk and Yandex.

[vapid hare]

you guys have an oligarchy, is that true?

[prisma cipher]

I think the past tense is more appropriate here. after sanctions against Russian oligarchs, little remained of them. and apparently they don’t influence politics anymore

[vapid hare]

who opposes putin now

[feral river]

Hummmm the pol pot thing ?

[prisma cipher]

no one significant. and when Navalny was alive he had no serious opposition

[feral river]

Humm

I hope our former government didn’t really release HCM, so we can easily took over IndoChina region after Japanese surrender, and we don’t need that pol pot thing as our puppet government

I don’t know why I’m unable to type the name of a Vietnam leader, it says blocked

[grizzled aurora]

Glad to meet all of you

[prisma cipher]

Why you glad here?

[rose eagle]

Yea........... wait what!!?

You mean you want the Chinese government to turn the whole of Indochina into a dependent countries?

[rose eagle]

Hmm?

[bitter otter]

Hi everyone

[feral river]

I mean if the KMT government didn’t release him, today’s region of indochina would be part of China or autonomous region of China.

[rose eagle]

hmm yea and it can happen too

[rose eagle]

I thought Vietnam would become similar to North Korea?

[feral river]

Nope you guys holding an amazing region which could be used for develop economy

[rose eagle]

I think there is a high possibility that there will be no possibility of Vietnam becoming an autonomous region of China because in my opinion, China has occupied Vietnam many times in the past and has been kicked.
Will France or America jump in and tear Vietnam apart?

[feral river]

Well I mean if your leader didn’t be released by us, there is no Vietnam resistance anymore, no Vietnam communist party.