🧠｜serious-chat

[formal pilot]

I think i mixed it up

[safe crescent]

what about brown

[cedar oar]

Me and my homes hate blue light

[thorny steeple]

yeah my brain is not braining today

[cedar oar]

Whatever

[formal pilot]

Red
Man
In
Van
Uses
Xray
Gun

[cedar oar]

Because you aren't a part of our secret society to understand the joke

[cedar oar]

I didn't get it

[formal pilot]

Radio waves
Microwave
Infrared
Violet
UV rays
X ray
Gama ray

[cedar oar]

VI REFERENCE!1!1!?

[formal pilot]

It's the order for waves

[thorny steeple]

how about we talk about something more biologic so i can understand

[cedar oar]

How about we talk about politics instead?

[safe crescent]

great

[safe crescent]

no

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah, I'm good with biology

[cedar oar]

Yes

Bill, let's do it

[formal pilot]

Yesterday we were discussing about Butterflies

[safe crescent]

hurts

[thorny steeple]

no

[cedar oar]

What?

[cedar oar]

Yes. I am determined to make this channel a hell hole again

[safe crescent]

poli

[formal pilot]

Do butterflies have any memory of being a caterpillar or are they effectively new animals?

I was discussing this with isfrun

[cedar oar]

I have no clue of what you're talking about

[thorny steeple]

any result?

[cedar oar]

The result was a 3 hour conversation with no result

[thorny steeple]

[safe crescent]

Studies have shown that moths and butterflies can remember what they learned as caterpillars, even after undergoing the dramatic transformation of metamorphosis

[formal pilot]

Apparently they've some memories or experience

[cedar oar]

STOP USING THAT EMOJI

[formal pilot]

That's what Google said

[safe crescent]

yeap

[thorny steeple]

thats the nearest emoji in my emoji bar

[safe crescent]

random web

[formal pilot]

We need some topics dude

[cedar oar]

Anything against my opinion is just X propoganda

[formal pilot]

I'm starving rn, I can't think of any good topics

[thorny steeple]

ok let me say
oxytricha trifilax has about 16000 chromosomes

[cedar oar]

I don't care. The whole server is using it non-stop and I'm losing my mind

[safe crescent]

Best Topic : Money

[grave temple]

Uh you are actually wrong

[formal pilot]

What's the common name of oxytricha

[grave temple]

they were all special military operations

[formal pilot]

I don't have any

[cedar oar]

Thank God. For a moment, I thought you turned into a lib tard

[safe crescent]

wheres your jene

[thorny steeple]

good question
but its the common name

Oxytricha

[formal pilot]

In @safe crescent 's pants

[safe crescent]

wait lemme google

[formal pilot]

Oops wrong ping

I gotta go grab my dinner, I'm starving

[cedar oar]

Putin energy right here

[safe crescent]

o: you mean in ur hole theres a goal😂

[formal pilot]

Brain isn't braning

[thorny steeple]

Sterkiella histriomuscorum
thats its name

I won't read that

[safe crescent]

Oxytricha is a genus of ciliates, which are a type of single-celled eukaryotic organisms.

[grave temple]

nuh uh the ukrainians had to be liberated

[thorny steeple]

The Oxytricha trifallax macronuclear genome: a complex eukaryotic genome with 16,000 tiny chromosomes.

[safe crescent]

dont be racist

[cedar oar]

Yes, liberated from their incompetent selves

[grave temple]

they were under a leader that was a jewish n@zi!

[thorny steeple]

infinity evolves

[grave temple]

can you believe that

[safe crescent]

no poli

[cedar oar]

I agree, supreme leader Putin, they were fascists and we are their liberators

[cedar oar]

Why would our glorious supreme leader lie to us?

[grave temple]

Exactly

[main ruin]

any americans/canadians in chat?

[safe crescent]

! 🚸

[grave temple]

But I am not a dictator of course, all elections were non-rigged and I was appointed by the Russian people

[thorny steeple]

its too late mate

[grave temple]

Fair and square

[thorny steeple]

the chat we knew is gone

[safe crescent]

Yeap War has begun 👋
retreat citzens retreat

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1114998069042348172/1151897802469806260/disappearing-rr11.gif

[cedar oar]

Yeah, I never said you were. I simply said that you were our glorious leader out there to protect us against the western, uh, pigs

Aw, come on, I killed it again

[feral river]

Union of Soviet Socialist Republics 🫡

I don't know what is the point that invading is uniliterally justified.

what can you do from justify it ?

the other side, the opposition or enemy will call it as "great liberation, great achievements" after they killed enemies, destory their targets one per one.

[cedar oar]

Ah, yes, the great liberation of Tibet

[feral river]

ofc we liberated Tibet from brutal of the monarchy what you talking about

[cedar oar]

Yes, liberated it with annexation

[feral river]

you can search the information of Tibet before PRC's annexation

and u know what iti s

[cedar oar]

Reply to this

[feral river]

what's wrong with an annexation ?

I have no idea.

does annexation means the suppress of the people ?

[cedar oar]

It's not liberating the people, but more so oppressing them under another regime

[feral river]

not sure what you are talking about, people always under regimes.

[cedar oar]

Because you're a right winger in China somehow

[feral river]

no exceptions if you are in antarctica.

[cedar oar]

You replaced the oppressive monarchy with the oppressive "communist" regime

[feral river]

nope i see a lot of right winger of China

I'm pretty left wing and even pro west on some ideas

including privacy and freedom

[cedar oar]

Pretty left wing 💀. "Minorities serve the majority"

[feral river]

so majority serve the minority ? I didn't out of my mind

why you think 90% of people gonna serve 10% of people

that's crazy

[main ruin]

any americans/canadians in chat?

[cedar oar]

No, nobody serves anybody like that. You're also a hardcore nationalist, which is a right winged thing

[cedar oar]

I never said such things, stop straw manning me into oblivion

[feral river]

I'm not pretty nationalist for sure but I clearly know how do work for myself.

I'm a capitalist

[cedar oar]

Yes, not at all, but long live the re-education camps. And of course, you're a capitalist as well, which is a right winged thing

[feral river]

yeah right wing but not the far and radical one, I didn't lose my mind

I can be a right wing no problem for that everyone can be it.

[cedar oar]

"I'm pretty left winged"

[feral river]

yeah left wing in right wing no problem ?

most people only more right wing than me

[cedar oar]

What are you even talking about now?

[feral river]

the left in the right.

[cedar oar]

That's called right winged

[feral river]

some people even think they kill all of the uyhgurs for our great goal of PRC and I don't even think it's okay

[cedar oar]

I don't know, man. Your past encounters with me make me highly doubt anything you're currently saying

[feral river]

you can doubt that, that's your freedom

[cedar oar]

It indeed is

[feral river]

yeah

[cedar oar]

Though I'm not sure about how the CCP would like it. Why do I hear knocking on my door? Brb

[feral river]

maybe you think CCP is mysterious or they are terrible or something but they are close to me, they did something I know or I don't know I talk to them even it's not high ranking but still close.

[cedar oar]

Please reword that, as I'm having difficulties fetching the lore behind that message

[grave temple]

They really should (no offense to anyone) conduct tests to evaluate everyone's English level before giving them a tag

I saw a "fluent" guy speaking broken English and I just could understand him 💀

[feral river]

the story is, they did good decisions for people and they did bad, they are pretty smart and they are clear about the situation, they will choose the best decision they think.

and that decision, serves 90% of people

I think that's all enough

[cedar oar]

Tell me about it. I've noticed that oh so many times here

[grave temple]

What he is trying to say is the 10% that make all the decisions, and those decisions are there to serve 90% of all people. Most people are dumb and follow dumb leaders therefore, a representative or multi-party system wouldn't suit the Chinese.

I think I made that clear enough

[feral heart]

is this ser use

[cedar oar]

That is quite more toned down than what I thought it was, but it still hurts my sacred democracy

[feral river]

People's Democratic Dictatorship.

[cedar oar]

Dictatorship Over the Proletariat

[feral river]

I mentioned that numerous times in here maybe you have read that.

[feral river]

yeah sure

[cedar oar]

Read what?

[feral river]

the article, you have read that if you can say dictatorship over the proletariat this core idea of the PDD.

[cedar oar]

What?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_democratic_dictatorship

this, I said you have read that.

I guess

[thorny steeple]

yo

can i have a conversation with humans

like fr im tryn to talk in this server for 10 min and noone is replyn

[cedar oar]

I was just correcting the tankies who say Dictatorship of the Proletariat, when it's reay over them instead

[balmy matrix]

.

no problem , i did

[thorny steeple]

Why don't you discuss penguin knees?

[thorny steeple]

finally thank u 🐸

[balmy matrix]

all good my friend?

[cedar oar]

(No offense) @grave temple, EnglishHub "fluent" speakers going out of their way to make every grammatical mistake possible:

[balmy matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-no-one-cares-who-asked-who-asked-meme-gif-24508192

[thorny steeple]

yeah ma im just writting quickly

[cedar oar]

(No offense, yet again) EnglishHub fluent speakers coming up with excuses for their fluency:

[thorny steeple]

bro im good asf at speaking

[cedar oar]

Nobody did. It was simply a cool thing I pointed out for @grave temple

[cedar oar]

Sure...

[thorny steeple]

yea ..

[balmy matrix]

no problem , a cool one tho

[cedar oar]

Yeah......

[shut iris]

Take all the time that you need, I mean you aren’t in a rush eh bud.

[feral river]

The people who creating social unrest, ignored warnings and fighting against the people’s regime will be directly oppressed.

Any questions?

[cedar oar]

Yes, one. I have no idea what you're talking about yet again. The wording, please

[feral river]

What ?

Is my English unclear ?

[cedar oar]

Yes

[feral river]

I mean the people, who created social unrest, ignored warnings, violated the law and fighting against the people’s regime, which means the people is the people in Tiananmen Square in 64 incidents, Beijing government released a warning and broadcast several times before the incident, and those people violated the law of PRC so they got directly oppressed.

[feral river]

How about now ?

[thorny steeple]

yea lol, it just feels good to write quickly , u just got that vibe that u r that hacker behind the screen who is writing codes to hack the world

[cedar oar]

It's better, but still has a lot of issues. It's fetchable

[thorny steeple]

i wrote that 4 times

[cedar oar]

That's still oppression, though I have no idea what this topic is even about

[shut iris]

I know, but still

[thorny steeple]

where are u from brda

u took my attention he he he

[shut iris]

I’m from Canada

[thorny steeple]

the biggest country in the world

[shut iris]

Second biggest

The biggest country is Russia

[thorny steeple]

🐸 even tryn to be a pro isnt working

[feral river]

yeah oppression on enemies, that's an amazing decision

[prisma cipher]

[feral river]

we are not gonna eliminate oppression and violence but use them to against our enemies.

[prisma cipher]

Did you see that, exhibition of NATO wehicles in Russia https://youtube.com/shorts/5kepoIOY8J0?si=kqqVIpdU0KiwWDkG

[grave temple]

Honestly proving that NATO countries care more about their soldiers than the Russians

Insane survivability of Western vehicules compared to Russian ammo rack tanks

[prisma cipher]

I don’t know how this proves it, but okay

Yes yes so good wehicles

[grave temple]

Definitely better than Russia's turrets all going to space

[prisma cipher]

Sure sure

[grave temple]

Thank you for agreeing with me

[prisma cipher]

Now Russian can watch how good Western wehicles is. 👍

No problem👌

[grave temple]

And the astronauts on board of the ISS can enjoy T-72s turrets orbiting next to them

[thorny steeple]

Does making mistakes take fluency off someone?

[dapper laurel]

Saturday has finally arrived

I can finally enjoy some rest

[oblique mauve]

[cedar oar]

The people who protest, or have a sentiment differing from that of the CCP are not enemies, they are people with different sentiments

[cedar oar]

No, it simply makes them not look fluent

[cedar oar]

I'd argue that Fridays are better than Saturdays

[thorny steeple]

Indeed the great rest of 2 days

[cedar oar]

So will I

[thorny steeple]

Well it's better than Monday

[manic juniper]

No

[thorny steeple]

Nope but you learn to improve

Fluency in my conception is when you're able to talk about a long range of topics at a decent speed in your traget language as well as reading books of your interest and consuming native content

[dapper laurel]

For me, Saturdays are better because I can go to church and the next day I don't have to go to school

[spice swallow]

@thorny steeple 👋 Howdy

[feral river]

they can regularly express their opinion and tell the official to know how to improve the current situation, not disrupt the social environment, violating the law and launching terrorist attack.

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[feral river]

no anywhere will tolerant a continuous no order situation.

we are not a paradise of anarchists.

WE NEED ORDER

[dapper laurel]

Order above all

[feral river]

"stability above all" - Deng Xiaoping

[dapper laurel]

I also think that order is the essential thing, and must be protected

to protect order, an ultra-nationalist policy should be adopted

[thorny steeple]

Well that's the day of the lord

[feral river]

that's the current situation because every entity which establishing order in the world is the country/regimes.

[dapper laurel]

Sunday is the holy day

[feral river]

we are not living in an anarchist society, no where

[thorny steeple]

Yes the two holy days

[manic juniper]

It's that, mistakes happen even in your own native language, there are also people that speak in a very crude way but can be understood by pretty much anyone, I consider those to be fluent

[dapper laurel]

Although the idea of ​​living in an anarchic primitivist world doesn't scare me

[manic juniper]

As long as it's not a dumpster sentence

[dapper laurel]

It is certainly the best way to achieve human fulfillment

[feral river]

I would like to laugh if it exists, like a free cash in the ground and I will just pick it.

not only free cash, just like free assets, resources, money, population etc.

[thorny steeple]

Then go back to 1916 and see how was in France around Verdun

[dapper laurel]

In an anarchic primitivist world, money would no longer exist, to obtain resources there would be hunting

[dapper laurel]

The two situations are not at all comparable, but I would be happy to see if I can resist natural selection

[feral river]

yeah I know, so a regime with a professional organized military can easily took over this world and establish order.

[thorny steeple]

Basically Europe before the arrivement of Anatolian Farmers

[feral river]

that's why they won't be exist.

the forces, doesn't allow them to exist.

[manic juniper]

66 millions years ago poverty wasn't a thing

[thorny steeple]

More or less Rome west part of it the 400s AD

[dapper laurel]

Exactly, I would like a world like that

[manic juniper]

Indo-Europeans took that way from us

[cedar oar]

Yes, they can express their opinions regularly. They even told them on the square!

[thorny steeple]

3 billion years ago life was simpler

[dapper laurel]

But in a primitivist anarcho world there would be no organized states, there would be total anarchy

[thorny steeple]

At this date, Rome already had an established monarchy, which indicates an advanced stage of development

[thorny steeple]

Or one were homo erectus was still alive

[feral river]

nope, that's clearly not the will of the people but the foreign influences fight against the social order.

[dapper laurel]

Not bad

[manic juniper]

Total Indo-European annihilation

[feral river]

we won't tolerant this. just like america won't tolerant communism

that's simple.

[cedar oar]

The feeling a Friday gives is much better than a Saturday. You are rest assured, after school or work, that you have 3.5 days left until another dreadful week begins yet again

[cedar oar]

How welcoming and liberally expressive of them

[feral river]

how ? you can fill an article/post to express your opinion to officials, not fight against them.

[thorny steeple]

True we didn't evolve to have this

[feral river]

and it has the way to do it.

[thorny steeple]

There's a reason why Finland has Europe's highest IQ nowadays

[cedar oar]

Ah, to officials only, how liberal. And if they consider you dangerous, you may be offed

[manic juniper]

Btw that study was done by a Finn and weirdly Estonia is also up there 🤔

[feral river]

yeah right, smart people smart decision, no need some stupid ass to disrupt them and do something worse.

[dapper laurel]

Omg, I found the same video on TikTok

[manic juniper]

On Uralic mythology?

[cedar oar]

They have a good policies against the housing crisis

[feral river]

you can't change that, forever.

[cedar oar]

Yeah. No need for people to be able to communicate with each other without fear

[dapper laurel]

That's right, that was about a week ago

[thorny steeple]

It was part of the swedish empire

[feral river]

they are communicate with each other without fear but they are not gonna communicate with each other to create fear.

[thorny steeple]

It seems like we have a pattern right here 🤔

[cedar oar]

AY CORUMBA. Conversus, please do not confirm this saddening news. But, do you use Tik Tok?

[feral river]

you can't create social unrest and violate the law

[dapper laurel]

Total PewDiePie domination

[cedar oar]

Better wording, please

[manic juniper]

For a short time, Estonia was more under Russia and Denmark than it was under Sweden

[feral river]

that will not be toleranted.

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[feral river]

no explaination that was a ez sentence

[dapper laurel]

Yes, unfortunately I use Tiktok, I fell into Chinese propaganda 🥲

[manic juniper]

Swedish Empire bad Gran Duchy of Lithuania and Novgorod Republic good

[cedar oar]

You aren't creating social unrest by expressing the opinion that authoritarianism is opperessive

[feral river]

PDD.

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-fall-bryan-cranston-cry-dying-gif-7619047

[feral river]

we are practicing PDD and it works very well

we have our poliburo.

you have your senator

very good.

[cedar oar]

"People"s" Capitalist Dictatorship. Just because it works well supposedly, doesn't mean that the authoritarianism should be ignored

[feral river]

you can't tell me that western democracy is the true democracy

[feral river]

how is that authoritarianism ? that's China's characteristic special socialism

we see your western democracy based on different party with different people who controlls money as economy-authoritarianism.

[dapper laurel]

In fact, Indian democracy is the real one 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[manic juniper]

No, true democracy is the Greek one

[feral river]

according to Karl Marx and Lenin

[cedar oar]

Western countries are much more democratic than China. At least here we don't have to use a VPN to access things that have differing opinions from our governments. We can actually vote for different party's, and we're allowed to state our opinions publically. This is at least the case for my country

[dapper laurel]

The only difference is that anyone could come to power in a democratic country

[manic juniper]

Intergalactic Saurocracy should be the norm

[cedar oar]

Ah, yes, 1984 with Chinese characteristics

[feral river]

yeah in here China everyone have right to be the chairman or general secretary by in-party elections.

[thorny steeple]

Weirdly Ivan the terrible and Peter the great made the last two part of the great russian empire

[dapper laurel]

How do elections work in your country?

[cedar oar]

"Mine", oh please. The topic was whether China was more democratic or not, not whether corruptions was present in certain countries or not

[cedar oar]

I LOVE REPTILOCRACY

[feral river]

oh yes you don't need to use VPN to access things, but I see you not live in the United States but you are probably using google, amazon those american services, and you barely have your own industry and technology but less than those superpowers, the firewall which established by us will protect our industry to continue to develop not inviting americans to took over our market.

your market is dominated.

[thorny steeple]

Canadian democracy seems well

[feral river]

we are not.

that's why I said those are the modern puppet states.

[cedar oar]

Straw man detected. Ignored.

[dapper laurel]

Plot twist

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[cedar oar]

@manic juniper loves it much more

[thorny steeple]

He surely does

[feral river]

your market is dominated by americans and we are not, that's why we have our great firewall and you have nothing.

LOL

[cedar oar]

He??!1!? It's a she

[cedar oar]

Straw man detected yet again

[thorny steeple]

My bad

[cedar oar]

And insolence as well

[feral river]

the truth is our industry is developing, developing and now we can beat americans

🤣

[thorny steeple]

What's a straw man?

[dapper laurel]

Here there is something called "free market" every company has the right to compete with others and this is what guarantees our economies prosperous and continuous growth

[cedar oar]

It's when people are too lazy to actually argue, so they come up with something else entirely

[feral river]

I'm sorry there is no such thing in a socialist country, everything must be approved by government.

and it worked, we are now second most powerful country.

[manic juniper]

Alexander I was the one that put an end to the Swedish empire by taking Finland

[thorny steeple]

Interesting concept

[feral river]

millions of people out of poverty, economic prosperity, we all achieved.

any questions ?

[cedar oar]

Conversus, do not bother with the ones who have been raised under the CCP, for all they know are straw men and whataboytism

[dapper laurel]

You are controlled by the government so, from you in the government there is only one person who holds the supreme power, a billion people are controlled by a single person, lol

[cedar oar]

Though I did distort the actual meaning of it

[feral river]

how I'm being controlled ? explain.

[thorny steeple]

It's fine we change concepts to our liking don't we

[feral river]

if you are saying that obeying the law, is another type of control, you are under control too.

there is no absolute freedom exist in anywhere.

[cedar oar]

No, objective things remain so. I simply made message a little satire and silly, to represent a certain man here

[thorny steeple]

And Finland was the only lucky country to become independent from Russia early enough to develop itself

[manic juniper]

Miscalculation on Lenin's side

[thorny steeple]

If only Estonia also did that...

[manic juniper]

He could've easily taken over Finland but he probably didn't care enough

[feral river]

Finland joined Axis and it barely lose in WW2 but finally they got their independence not Soviet Socialist Republic of Finland.

[thorny steeple]

Well that's tribal setting

[cedar oar]

Tribal?

[manic juniper]

There was a Finnish Socialist Republic

And a Karelian SSR too

[thorny steeple]

Remember we humans used to be tribal

[feral river]

oh I guess so they don't want to annex it ?

[cedar oar]

What an anti-imperialist. Amirite amirite?

[feral river]

I thought they gonna absorb it just like baltic states.

because that's old Russian empires territory

[manic juniper]

It was a puppet created so they could claim the rest of the country but they failed and it was destroyed and abandoned

[cedar oar]

Yeah, but what does that have to do with objective facts?

[dapper laurel]

The government here exercises widespread control. No one can criticize your government or even oppose it in the slightest, your freedom of the press is very limited. Plus, as you said, the government approve companies, companies have power over you ( advertising, chemically modified products, etc.); since companies are controlled by the government, according to the transitive property, the government controls you

[feral river]

I see you guys crushed soviet dreams 🤣

[manic juniper]

No idea about Lenin, he is an ambiguous figure to me, he was an opportunist that did good and bad, much less black and white than his successors

[manic juniper]

Kinda, they are the ones that won

We didn't win anything

[feral river]

proof you are not under control by this system explained by you.

[thorny steeple]

It's a true or false statement isn't! Facts!

[manic juniper]

Just killing a lot of their soldiers isn't really a victory per se

[cedar oar]

I was being satire. Though I do agree that he was better than Stalin 'The Murderer'

[cedar oar]

What?

[feral river]

wait I thought a small part of territory you guys ceded to Soviets in the winter war ? is that returned to you guys ?

[manic juniper]

I know, I'm just saying that I don't know what to think of himm

[thorny steeple]

Nothing how's life? Have you eaten?

[cedar oar]

He was clearly a perfect man with nothing to criticize over. And just as a reminder, anything bad about Lenin is just Western propoganda

[dapper laurel]

Another twist

[manic juniper]

Small? Our second most populous city, most of our distinct cultural region (Karelia), plus the only northern sea harbour we used to have and where my family was from

[cedar oar]

Let us not speak of this, and pretend this never happened

[feral river]

not a twist but the truth is you are living under this system too.

[thorny steeple]

Yea how's life btw

[manic juniper]

It'd be like China giving away idk Shanghai? And a huge area surrounding it

[cedar oar]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[dapper laurel]

The system is not controlled by the government in my country

[feral river]

you can't explain a company is absolute free under a government, they have to pay taxes, follow laws, do anything under regulations by government.

[feral river]

which country you are in.

[cedar oar]

Wait, are you talking about the territories seized after the Winter War?

[manic juniper]

Yes, except for the other one, that was from the Continuation War

[dapper laurel]

Italy

[feral river]

so Italy government are not taking taxes from companies ?

[versed rain]

Do u like turkey?

[feral river]

companies in Italy doesn't need to follow the law of Italy ?

or companies in Italy doesn't have to do something under regulations by government ?

[dapper laurel]

In some areas of Italy there are subsidies for companies

[cedar oar]

So, as I understand, from what I read with the corners of my eye. He was considering the territories that were seized after the Continuation War as trifling

[thorny steeple]

How's Italia

[feral river]

does company need to follow the law of Italy ?

[dapper laurel]

They follow the law, but the law does not involve manipulating citizens

[feral river]

yeah I guess we don't have that too

[manic juniper]

We don't have any harbour in the Arctic sea anymore

[feral river]

we doesn't allow company taking our citizens information easily

for protecting privacy

[dapper laurel]

I think it's a beautiful place, our countries share a lot of history

[thorny steeple]

Well that's fine Norway can just rent a harbor to Finland

[feral river]

Leningrad

I like Leningrad this name not Saint Petersburg

[dapper laurel]

Not entirely, just a few general laws

[cedar oar]

Wait, I don't remember Finnish pre-WW2 borders looking that large with port in the Arctic Sea

[feral river]

so your company in Italy has less regulations than China.

not no regulations

[versed rain]

Yes but i can say 40 percent of our people is religious.

[manic juniper]

No, only the red area, part of that red area was ours

[feral river]

and I don't think that company could be out of control and towards a way to harm people.

[manic juniper]

That's Petsamo

[feral river]

so they have to be regulated by government.

[dapper laurel]

It doesn't matter if companies then manipulate you with advertising, furthermore companies don't need to violate privacy when the Chinese government already does it

[feral river]

how is that Chinese government already does it ?

you are talking about the ID cards issued by Chinese gov so they violated your privacy ?

[dapper laurel]

It's a good country, I live in south tyrol, there's a lot of nature here

[feral river]

that doesn't make sense

[versed rain]

.

[cedar oar]

Yes, I was talking about that. I seriously do not remember Finnish borders stretching out that far

[thorny steeple]

Nice how's Ravenna?

[manic juniper]

It was even more in the South

[feral river]

I still see no chance you can live free under anywhere's government.

[dapper laurel]

Of course, haven't you ever thought that if you say something against the government they can easily track you down?

[feral river]

wait, why you think they are tracking me down ?

[manic juniper]

We had half of lake Ladoga

[dapper laurel]

It's a very far city from where I live, but I've studied the basilicas and churches, it's a beautiful city

[feral river]

what is the point to do that ? they have to pay for it, they need to hire large amount of people to tracking citizens and why ?

[dapper laurel]

They might

[feral river]

what is the point to do that

[thorny steeple]

How's Finland how's that is into NATO?

[thorny steeple]

So yk Latin?

[cedar oar]

I know about the Karjala part, and the north of it, but I can only faintly recall Finland's borders stretching out to the Arctic Sea

[manic juniper]

The same as before, maybe a marginally better military

[cedar oar]

I knew of that as well (except for how lakes are even claimed)

[dapper laurel]

They do it much easier, they probably know your address or your tax code

[feral river]

how they can't ? if there is a criminal and he's moving fast so they can't track this criminal because privacy ?

that's ridiculous

[versed rain]

@manic juniper @dapper laurel, do u support Turkey's Europe Union membership debate? If u want to say why, it can be about Erdogan.

[feral river]

the track is definitely not targeted to the normal people but the criminals.

[thorny steeple]

Have you been to Helsinki?

[feral river]

what ? the tax code issued by government so they know it

[dapper laurel]

No, but they can do it when they know your name, what your face looks like, your car license plate, your tax code and so on

[feral river]

your tax code is not issued by government ????

[versed rain]

?

[feral river]

so ? what's wrong with it

[manic juniper]

I think I've already expressed my opinions here, if it wasn't for Erdogan it'd be the average corrupt Balkan country no different than Albania, with less secure borders but it's not like Balkan issues are unsolvable, neither would be Turkey's

[feral river]

what is the point to do that, I still see no idea.

no idea to do that bro.

[dapper laurel]

They keep tabs on you that way

[manic juniper]

I would accept it after enough time and effort were spent in making Turkey a better country

[cedar oar]

I really do not like his sentiment on Armenia

[versed rain]

Yep, i remember. Without erdogan, it will be better.

[feral river]

they hire a lot of people just to know what is the tabs on my computer 🤣

[dapper laurel]

I think Turkey inside the union would destabilize many countries

[feral river]

that's ridiculous, too ridiculous

[manic juniper]

About that, I don't know what really happened to create such propaganda since even Ataturk expressed that it wasn't a very nice thing

[versed rain]

So do u say no?

[dapper laurel]

Not necessarily, there are cameras there, you are all registered, both by traditional and non-traditional means

[feral river]

yes so what ?

[thorny steeple]

Isn't there way to avoid it?

[feral river]

I'm registered, yes

[dapper laurel]

Yes, for me it's a no for the moment

[thorny steeple]

That's a loss in privacy

[versed rain]

Thanks.

[manic juniper]

They have too many people, there needs to be a rework of the entire system

[feral river]

ofc I'm registered, how I'm not registered in a country ? am I illegal immigration ?

[feral river]

that doesn't make any sense

[manic juniper]

I don't think certain western European countries should have that much influence either btw

[feral river]

that seems uses for protecting illegal immigrants

how does that make sense ? I'm 100% legal

[versed rain]

What type of idea do u feel uncomfortable?

[feral river]

I don't understand that

[dapper laurel]

I've been trying to explain to you for 30 minutes, if they know all your personal data, they can track you, they can repress you at any time if you don't respect the law imposed by the regime

[manic juniper]

In Sweden some of your personal are fully public, like address and sometimes phone number

You can opt out of that but it's allowed by default

[cedar oar]

I've heard bad things of Ataturk as well, though let's focus on Erdogan here. Some of the propoganda that I've witnissed Azerbeijanis confirm themselves flabbergasted me. Care to hear a lie out?

[feral river]

yes I clearly know what you are saying but I have no idea about this thing is literally the privacy you lose and you may be imposed by the regime because you are not respecting the law, I have to say, if you violated the law you deserve to be punished.

[thorny steeple]

Oh well that's a system!

[dapper laurel]

In Sweden, journalists have never been executed or imprisoned

[feral river]

I don't think they gonna need a way that allow people to violate the law.

[dapper laurel]

?

[manic juniper]

I don't think he's perfect but the fact that he was ashamed of the event makes me think that there was a fundamental misinterpretation or propaganda

[manic juniper]

No, the personal data thing is perfectly in line with Swedish culture

[manic juniper]

It makes hiring easier especially if you're a native

[dapper laurel]

Yes, however, as I was saying, they do not use your personal data to carry out atrocious actions

[cedar oar]

I don't know if he was ashamed. He would have given a recompense, or have consoled Armenia if he really cared

[manic juniper]

No, but a random person could, it happened before

[versed rain]

U can ask me everthing about Turkey so i am turkish.

[manic juniper]

Nah that's too much, he was still a politician

[thorny steeple]

It sure does

[feral river]

still confusing and no idea about government controlled personal information have any problem.

[dapper laurel]

As long as the government has nothing to do with it, I won't be scandalized

[feral river]

we are not living in an anarchy rule

[cedar oar]

Being a politician doesn't change what I said, though I get what you mean

[manic juniper]

It has to do with it I believe, but it's just very transparent about it

[feral river]

but I'm pretty scared a company would do that

[versed rain]

I think you've seen from previous discussions that I'm neutral. I like to look at things through other people's eyes.

[manic juniper]

It was a joke about politicians having no real substance

I know a Swedish girl's name, surname and town, I once searched that on the two data sites and I found out pretty much everything

[cedar oar]

That's why I said that I got your point, though I don't know if I realized its masquarade

[versed rain]

Okay.

[golden pewter]

Heyy

[feral river]

still no idea anyways

[golden pewter]

Im Turkish too !

[thorny steeple]

Well that's a backdoor Cheat

[golden pewter]

Ohh fairytale is here!

[feral river]

no one could explain what's wrong with a government controlled information will cause any problem

[golden pewter]

Hello arrogant fairytale

[manic juniper]

Many people in Nordic countries trust the government, I don't think it's necessarily good no matter how transparent they try to appear

[feral river]

so I think I'm right.

[golden pewter]

I know

[versed rain]

🙂

[manic juniper]

I'd be more likely to trust a machine or an organic computer if it's behind all those data collection processes

[golden pewter]

No

[feral river]

I need my think not your think.

[versed rain]

jaja

[golden pewter]

Because @feral river you are an arrogant fairytale

[cedar oar]

Well, that makes sense, as it will only carry out things that it was told to do

[golden pewter]

You shouldnt think youre right

[manic juniper]

It would require other people that have to lie in its place

[dapper laurel]

Trust me, many have tried to explain it, you don't want to understand

[cedar oar]

It would require a politician that ran it

[versed rain]

I will be glad if we do not make personal attacks, after all, we write as a Turk. It would be better not to do it, especially when nerves are tense because of Erdogan.

[golden pewter]

@cedar oar i know you. Because you're always hanging out on this channel and I'm just looking at this channel.

[feral river]

I understand what you are saying about privacy controlled by government have a chance that your privacy isn't respected by them that's because your government will change

our government won't change, it's CCP, still CCP, and it will be CCP.

[golden pewter]

Aga bu adam çok salladı bize dün

[feral river]

they will protect our privacy, they did it, and they didn't really not protecting it.

[dapper laurel]

In the end you are not free

[versed rain]

I know, no one likes it but be chill.

[thorny steeple]

It could be Kmt

[feral river]

you are not free too! that's my point you may have less regulations than us but you are not free

[thorny steeple]

Sad reality we live in

[feral river]

KMT more authoritarian and doesn't care the people

[golden pewter]

I know just youre hangin’ out in that channel

[manic juniper]

Reptiles will free us

Mammals don't know anything about freedom, only servitude and enslavement of their kind

[cedar oar]

Vote for the The Reptile's Reptilian Party!

[golden pewter]

I didnt want to reply Yusuf. Probably that was misunderstanding

[feral river]

And worst of all trying to spread accusations about me and talking sh*t here not gonna join the debate cuz what ? idk who tf cares.

[manic juniper]

Pahan laulu

[golden pewter]

Okay. Thx for advice.

[versed rain]

Not really knowing what he know is when you're most uncomfortable.

[dapper laurel]

So if you put it that way the discussion no longer makes sense, in order to be free in all respects you should be an anarchist, our freedom instead begins only when the freedom of others begins

[manic juniper]

I think we should resurrect the ancient rulers of our people, or create AIs that would impersonate them

[versed rain]

Just a quibble.

[feral river]

"I'm right if my friend supports me, I'm still right if the enemy oppose me, they are enemies if friend is opposing me" - Pol Pot

[manic juniper]

Like Caesar for the Italians and Kalevi for the Finns

[feral river]

so basically my point was right which is you got less regulations than us.

so you have more free than us in this field.

[cedar oar]

Quoting Pol Pot 💀

[versed rain]

I have a headache, have you taken my medicine?

[golden pewter]

Who is Pol Pot

[golden pewter]

You should take Parol or Tylol

[feral river]

there is no problem quote him.

[manic juniper]

Asian Hitler

[versed rain]

But I have a headache, take the damn medicine, Mike.

[feral river]

he's a leader even he messed up Cambodia.

[dapper laurel]

You just tried to get away, first you said that we are not free, now instead you say that we are freer than you but we are still controlled btw 💀Furthermore, the concept of freedom is easily manipulated, for example it will be impossible to have the freedom to kill someone, this goes against the norms of the human species. But if you mean this as freedom, you are making a big mistake

[golden pewter]

Do you have any of them?

[golden pewter]

Oh wow. I didn’t know him

[cedar oar]

There definitely is. It makes you look like an idiot tankie when you do it, as tankies are the ones insane enough to defend and praise him

[versed rain]

🙂

[feral river]

I ain't tried to get this away and our term about free isn't really the same.

I thought the free I said in the first is absolute free

[thorny steeple]

More like stalin

[feral river]

and that's what you are not thinking

[dapper laurel]

Plot twist, once again

[manic juniper]

Hitler and Himmler have a baby, but he's Cambodian and that baby is Pol Pot, he had the insanity and fanaticism of Himmler and the evil charisma of Hitler

[golden pewter]

@cedar oar for example this guy is always in this channel too!

[feral river]

no twist that's explaination

[golden pewter]

Hello @dapper laurel

[versed rain]

Was it the American or the Arab who crashed into the twin towers?

[dapper laurel]

Hello

[manic juniper]

Pol Plot twist

[feral river]

no need to say something I said is a twist to say I'm wrong

if you think you have question just point it out

[dapper laurel]

This made me laugh

[feral river]

I didn't praise him ? I just quoted a sentence from him.

[cedar oar]

Good one

[feral river]

"I'm right if my friend supports me, I'm still right if the enemy oppose me, they are enemies if friend is opposing me" - Pol Pot

[golden pewter]

Okey i see

[feral river]

just a sentence nothing wrong

[thorny steeple]

Pol twist

[versed rain]

too many things you can not think of.

[golden pewter]

Answer is absolutely Americans!

That was just a plan of attacking middle east

Who add watermelon to my message???

[versed rain]

Me

Will this stupid dialogue continue, my friend? Jajajajaj

[golden pewter]

Yeah

[versed rain]

Sure

Btw where are u from?

As a country

[golden pewter]

@cedar oar you should be sure, i promise i do not know anything about you 😭

[versed rain]

Really?

How is your relationship with the Turkish community?

[golden pewter]

He has not any problem

And that is ideal one

[versed rain]

General

[thorny steeple]

Thought you were British

[golden pewter]

Why would he have a problem with us?

That is just a Propaganda

[versed rain]

Objectively, I will ask something, do you know about the Khojaly massacre?

Sure

[golden pewter]

How can be nations enemy?

[golden pewter]

I cant understand this

[versed rain]

How is it explained to you?

[thorny steeple]

Interesting have you found the good ones?

[manic juniper]

Either that or they're girls

[versed rain]

You're not supposed to humiliate girls.

[manic juniper]

I'm elevating them

[versed rain]

But it was a bit racist.

I'm out of charge

I've got to get out

[manic juniper]

How? I implied that none of the Turkish girls I've met were nationalistic

[versed rain]

see u later

[manic juniper]

Or were just a bit patriotic

[versed rain]

uh, sorry

See u humans

[golden pewter]

Nations cant be enemy. Shouldnt be enemy. We may have experienced something in the past. But aren't these only the leaders' fault? People should not be encouraged to hate. Peace and love will save the world.

[thorny steeple]

Oi see you! Have fun

[manic juniper]

Yes they can, the mammal nation is swore enemy of the reptilian nation despite the reptiles' compassion

[dapper laurel]

Only sigmas on tiktok do this

[manic juniper]

I only humiliate mammals but that's unneeded when they literally exist

[dapper laurel]

I completely agree

[golden pewter]

Am i right @feral river or do you have any opposite arguments to me?

[cedar oar]

Inferior races, man

[thorny steeple]

Agreed. The only specie that harm each other is the mankind.

[dapper laurel]

Surely he will have something contrary to say

[manic juniper]

Yes, the traitors of the mammalian kind

[thorny steeple]

Were's this from?

[dapper laurel]

Me with my math teacher

[golden pewter]

Thats why i asked him lmfao

[manic juniper]

Dinosaur Attack card series

[thorny steeple]

Wow it's been awhile

Since I sad those cards

[cedar oar]

Dad, is that you?

[manic juniper]

Behind every great man there is a reptile puppet master

[thorny steeple]

Do you own the whole collection?

[cedar oar]

Isfrun, you should really make your own pagan religion focused on reptiles

[manic juniper]

They are my father's, I never checked so I have no idea but knowing him he should

[manic juniper]

There sorta are, or used to be

[thorny steeple]

Its unique since those cards hold up a story

[cedar oar]

Well, I'm not sure if it's a surprise or not. However, you could make your own one entirely focused on reptiles only

[manic juniper]

Some ancient Mesopotamian religions depicted reptile people, and many mesoamericans or South Americans worshipped reptiles at the head of their pantheons

[cedar oar]

But were their religions entirely focused on it?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[manic juniper]

My family's religion is the closest thing to that in a way

[manic juniper]

I don't think so, usually other animals are involved too

[cedar oar]

It all makes sense now, though I must leave, as it's stuoidely late and I'm here talking about reptile paganism. (It's 00:11 here)

[manic juniper]

Very late, goodnight

[manic juniper]

I'm kinda atheist though

But I consider reptiles as a concept to be truly divine, I don't believe in God because I know that reptiles exist, I have proof of their existence

[thorny steeple]

24 hour time eh it's 4:13pm around here

[formal pilot]

Why are you obsessed with reptiles

[thorny steeple]

Yea why

[manic juniper]

They are proof that perfection can be exponential and take multiple forms

[thorny steeple]

I'm curious tbh

[formal pilot]

What about mammals?

[manic juniper]

They are limited by design

They never achieved greatness although they are worthy of respect

I respect their relatives like Lisowicia, and also their achievements (the blue whale, Palaeoloxodon namadicus)

[formal pilot]

Platypus laughing at you

[manic juniper]

Reptiles are the only beings that no matter what's your perspective, they're perfect

I'll take a lizard as an example

[formal pilot]

When you say reptiles
Do you include birds?

[manic juniper]

Yes of course, and parareptiles too

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[formal pilot]

Wth is parareptiles

[thorny steeple]

What a great fanfic

[manic juniper]

There were two main branches of reptiles once, but one of them disappeared

The surviving one is the eureptile branch, most reptiles to ever exist were eureptiles but the parareptilian efforts won't be forgotten

The first animal with fully erect limbs probably was a pareiasaur (a successful group of parareptiles)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunostegos

[formal pilot]

Lemme Google some pictures

Aight thanks for sharing

[manic juniper]

"Analysis of the limb bones (including the scapulocoracoid, humerus, radius, ulna, pelvis, and femur) was published in 2015, and revealed that Bunostegos walked upright on four limbs, with the body held above ground.[3] This new information directly suggests that it could be the first tetrapod with a fully erect gait.[4]"

This is one of the notable achievements I'm referring to

[thorny steeple]

Interesting you archeologist?

[formal pilot]

Intresting, I'm not familiar with parareptiles I need to study about em

[manic juniper]

No but I like paleobiology

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudibamus
First bipedal animal recorded too

Also a parareptile

[formal pilot]

Wth

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[formal pilot]

First bipedal was a reptile

Well yeah it make sense

[sour marlin]

Guys

[prisma cipher]

I need that dog

[sour marlin]

What's the topic about

[prisma cipher]

[formal pilot]

She's evolutionary biologist as far as I can remember

[manic juniper]

Even those that were well established bipedal clades much later were reptiles, they were all rauisuchians and the very first dinosaurs

[formal pilot]

Why reptiles are the best and isfrun is obsessed with em

[manic juniper]

Rauisuchians include the ancestors of modern crocodilians btw

[thorny steeple]

Biology

[sour marlin]

Oh nice

[formal pilot]

Lemme Google it

[sour marlin]

But ik nothing about it lmao

[manic juniper]

Imagine asking why reptiles are great, and you start reading all of this about them

[sour marlin]

I see

[manic juniper]

It's impossible to deny after a while because the evidence is just so crushing

[thorny steeple]

Well isfrun will get you the basics of it right isfrun

[manic juniper]

Yes, basically there were two branches of reptiles once, one of them went extinct but the reptiles in it were somewhat diverse or developed many features

I just showed two, bipedalism and erect posture (the same most mammals and birds have)

[formal pilot]

They aren't close to ground, it's really intresting that they evolved into crocodile

[manic juniper]

The thing is that feature is somewhat present amongst some crocodilians, they can change stance and gait but not fully or not for long

Crocodilians show many hints of having been endothermic (warm blooded) in the past

Their heart is four chambered as in birds and mammals, they have lungs more advanced than ours (similarly to birds, they have one-flow lungs)

[formal pilot]

There's no f way they evolved into being cold blooded

[thorny steeple]

Interesting you major in biology

[manic juniper]

There is, sloths possibly are cold blooded

[sour marlin]

I'm not interested in biology tbh

[manic juniper]

Also the platypus and the echidna have a sprawling stance like lizards, it's probably secondary, and this is still debated but it's possible that even egg laying was reevolved in mammals

[formal pilot]

What's your fav genre apart from religion?

[thorny steeple]

What's the difference between hot and cold blooded

[thorny steeple]

Then my goodness what you interested on?

[formal pilot]

Platypus are really crazy animals

[manic juniper]

A variety of factors but warm blooded animals can regulate their temperature internally through metabolism, cold blooded organisms require the environment too

[formal pilot]

Why evolution supported this?? Isn't being warm blooded is advance?

[manic juniper]

Warm blooded animals' metabolisms work at a very narrow range of temperatures, but those temperatures are internal so it's not a big issue

[sour marlin]

Hmmm idk

Maybe talking about feelings

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah that's a really great topic

[manic juniper]

No, it's about lifestyle, crocodilians occupy a successful niche with low competition and high yields

[thorny steeple]

Oof my friend you need to start picking on more hobbies

[manic juniper]

Imagine this, out there you have large felines, bears, canines and humans fighting one another for the meat

[sour marlin]

Love

[sour marlin]

Tbh I just wanna see how ppl think of it
The diversity of opinions

[thorny steeple]

Great what's your major?

[sour marlin]

Like what?

[manic juniper]

A crocodile can wait for months without food, they live in the water so they don't need to drink because they drink all the times, they have preys that go towards them instead of having to find them

[thorny steeple]

Well what do you got a passion for

[manic juniper]

Because their preys either live in the water, where they are the biggest players, or their preys SEEK water because they need to drink

[formal pilot]

Why humans aren't cold blooded

[thorny steeple]

And they have tough skin unlike us soft humans

[manic juniper]

Wouldn't work at all with our lifestyle

[sour marlin]

Politics

[sour marlin]

Hmmm I like reading books tbh

[manic juniper]

We are supposed to be the "dinosaurs" of the mammals, we have a lot of stamina and tire out other preys

[sour marlin]

And watching k drama

[thorny steeple]

Great

[thorny steeple]

Great what genres and books!

[manic juniper]

Usually they live in bodies of water large enough like lakes, river estuaries, even the sea

And dryer seasons mean more desperate preys

[sour marlin]

Political books
And sometimes novels

@thorny steeple this PFP of URS is so handsome

[thorny steeple]

Interesting person you are with this hobbies

[manic juniper]

Crocodilians have a successful morphology and combo, it was imitated by many other animals

[formal pilot]

Crocodiles are flawless tbh

[sour marlin]

Mine is snake pet

[manic juniper]

Crocodilians are some of the last iterations along champsosaurs

[sour marlin]

Wbu

[formal pilot]

They haven't evolved in 200M years

[manic juniper]

They did

[formal pilot]

Not in a major way

[manic juniper]

Before them there were crocodile-like reptiles but they weren't crocodiles

[thorny steeple]

Music,books, and others

[old ibex]

Facu your new photo is very good

[manic juniper]

Modern crocodilians mostly developed this morphology around 100 millions years ago

[thorny steeple]

You per owner?

[old ibex]

U are a big gostoso 💕🤌

[thorny steeple]

did you know

[sour marlin]

I didn't say ur pet

[old ibex]

Hahahahahahaha We use a lot with handsome boys but with a naughty way to say it

[sour marlin]

Oh I like music too, which genres of music

[sour marlin]

I have a cat

[manic juniper]

I didn't know

[formal pilot]

So yeah if we include birds, reptiles are the best

[sour marlin]

Well, I usually think of having a pet snake

I Think that'd be nice

[manic juniper]

If you see the whole spectrum of reptiles you'll realise why birds are an extension

[thorny steeple]

Interesting I like pretty big range

[manic juniper]

For example Microraptor 100% isn't a bird but looks like it's related to them

[thorny steeple]

did you know!

[thorny steeple]

Interesting what's She/he Name?

[sour marlin]

Wow

[formal pilot]

I would love to have one, imagine hunting ducks n chickens with em

[manic juniper]

Birds' closest relatives today are crocodilians, since they don't look similar people assume birds kinda feel out of place amongst other reptiles

[sour marlin]

I don't call him with a particular name
Just my baby my son or something like this xdd

[thorny steeple]

Well that's cute tbh

[manic juniper]

Birds once coexisted with other dinosaurs that looked more varied overall

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[sour marlin]

Yup

[thorny steeple]

How long you been a pet owner?

[formal pilot]

Which animal do you think is the epitome of evolution apart from humans or chimp like animals

Yeah dolphins are smart

[manic juniper]

Chimps aren't very successful

[formal pilot]

You'll find many in @sour marlin 's country

[manic juniper]

They have a very small distribution

[sour marlin]

Few months

[manic juniper]

The most successful and diverse animals are those capable of flying

[sour marlin]

I'm one

I'm penguin

[manic juniper]

Insects were nobodies before developing wings, wingless insects today have no diversity

[formal pilot]

You wear Abaya/naqab/burqa?

[prisma cipher]

giraffe

[thorny steeple]

How's it been the experience

[sour marlin]

No uh

[manic juniper]

Ray-finned fishes, they kinda fly in water

[formal pilot]

That's an interesting choice

[manic juniper]

Ray-finned fishes are limited by design like mammals tho, but it's debatable

[sour marlin]

Great
Tbh owning a cat has a different joy

I recommend everyone in this chat to have a cat

[formal pilot]

@manic juniper give me one name, which animal is the epitome of evolution

[formal pilot]

I have

[manic juniper]

Today? Or since always?

[sour marlin]

Show

[formal pilot]

Today

[thorny steeple]

Interesting movie or TV show person are you

[sour marlin]

Facu

[manic juniper]

The most successful animal ever was related to us

[sour marlin]

Hm?

[formal pilot]

Apart from us

[prisma cipher]

who said that from the point of view of evolution we are at the top?

[sour marlin]

Ily

[prisma cipher]

We don't talk about who is smartest one, we talk about evolution

[formal pilot]

#🐶｜animals message

[thorny steeple]

Are you a TV show person or a movie person Selena

[manic juniper]

It isn't us even today lol

There is a species of Antarctic krill that outweighs us in biomass

[sour marlin]

I watch Korean tv shows sometimes

[formal pilot]

Unfortunately we're on top, we've nuclear weapons

[manic juniper]

Only few people do

[thorny steeple]

Interesting have you watch train to busan?

[formal pilot]

Fortunately we've 100s of em

[prisma cipher]

this is not evolution

[sour marlin]

Dammmm yes

I've watched many others which are like that one

[manic juniper]

The most successful organism ever recorded was an animal, the Lystrosaurus

[thorny steeple]

Pretty good movie tbh it hits

[formal pilot]

Why do you think they're epitome of evolution?

[prisma cipher]

from an evolutionary point of view, the giraffe has changed more than humans

[manic juniper]

It was the most abundant organism once

[thorny steeple]

Have you watched kingdom or shogun?

[formal pilot]

What's evolution for you?

[manic juniper]

I don't think they are, or neither are ae

[sour marlin]

I don't think so

[prisma cipher]

Some monkey changed more than human

[sour marlin]

I don't remember such thing

What kinda movie/drama is that?

[manic juniper]

An animal is better if they contribute and enrich biodiversity, humans don't do that

[prisma cipher]

Monkey hands evolutionary better

[formal pilot]

But they don't have iphones

[thorny steeple]

How's life around your city are you a rural or city person?

[formal pilot]

I think octopus and squids are epitome ngl

[prisma cipher]

Because they are dump, we smart, but it's not evolution

[formal pilot]

It is evolution

[manic juniper]

They're successful but not as much as the previous most successful mollusks which is funny

Squids and octopuses are the complete opposite of ammonites in term of philosophy

Ammonites were slow and heavily armoured, they weren't agile at all

[sour marlin]

I'm a Martian

Ok guys goodnight

[manic juniper]

Goodnight

[sour marlin]

See u all later

[manic juniper]

Your name is almost the same as mine btw

[hard parrot]

Take care

[manic juniper]

Just without the S

[thorny steeple]

Ok have great night

[hard parrot]

@formal pilot

[formal pilot]

Molluscs used to be successful?? Dayamm

[hard parrot]

I thought you were offline

[sour marlin]

Really?

[hard parrot]

Whatchu doing here

[prisma cipher]

Ok.

[manic juniper]

They still are but they were even more widespread

[manic juniper]

Yes, it's Elena

[sour marlin]

U too pookie

[formal pilot]

Howdy

[sour marlin]

Thanks

[hard parrot]

Ofc darling

[sour marlin]

Omg nice

[hard parrot]

WHERE WERE YOU

I WAS WAITING FOR YOU IN GENERAL CHAT

[manic juniper]

The majority of animal diversity is arthropods, mollusks and vertebrates

[formal pilot]

Under your bed

[hard parrot]

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

[thorny steeple]

Huh that's interesting I thought you were a he isfrun my bad

[formal pilot]

Yapping tbh

[hard parrot]

About what

[formal pilot]

Yeah that's understandable

[hard parrot]

This chat seems calm tonight

That's new

[formal pilot]

Goodnight blud

[manic juniper]

The unsung heroes of the Mesozoic, the ammonites

[prisma cipher]

@formal pilot why do you think that the pinnacle of evolution is the development of intelligence, because you are human. we need to think more broadly

[thorny steeple]

The great 6 or 5 extinction events

[manic juniper]

I think successful morphologies (shapes of animals, plants etc.) are those that are constantly evolved, it doesn't necessarily make them superior, just more reliable

Some of those are lizards, fishes, crabs, crocodilians, snakes

[formal pilot]

Cuz with intelligance we can do anything

[prisma cipher]

for example, tomorrow a meteorite will arrive and destroy most of life. and those who survive are better adapted and are not people

[formal pilot]

So Archaebacteria are epitome of evolution?

[manic juniper]

It's kinda overrated, my intelligence doesn't allow me to fly or go in the deepest depths of the ocean

[thorny steeple]

Well there's always the learning to lesson

[manic juniper]

Even boarding a plane, yeah my gut bacteria are boarding as well but that isn't anything special

[formal pilot]

You can fly to the moon tho, we're working on ocean depth

[manic juniper]

But flying with precision or wherever I wish to, with my own metabolism

[prisma cipher]

from an evolutionary point of view, success is when you survive and continue to reproduce.

[manic juniper]

Our biology is inferior, we cannot do that on our own and it isn't satisfying

[prisma cipher]

Intellect not always help you with that

[manic juniper]

You should feel human when you walk for very long amounts of time

Most mammals can't do that in a sustained way

[thorny steeple]

Yet those guy bacteria are unique in being random to each person

[formal pilot]

In few hundred years we'll be multi planetary species, just because of our intelligence

[manic juniper]

I'm saying they didn't do anything to be able to fly, they don't even enjoy it

[manic juniper]

I don't think so, we can barely sustain ourselves on this planet and we seem incapable of sending people on the Moon once more

Plus no amount of terraforming is possible, that technology doesn't exist and isn't possible today

[thorny steeple]

Remember bacteria is alive yet it has not consciousness

[prisma cipher]

and then I will call our species the pinnacle of evolution, but not today

[formal pilot]

Yeah but it'll be in few 100 years

[manic juniper]

We can boast about going to Mars yet we cannot rid ourselves of invasive species all over the world

[manic juniper]

No it's simply not possible, you can't metabolically accelerate that

And whatever will evolve on that planet simply won't be compatible with our biology, it will kill us

[thorny steeple]

Well remember this is a death world

[formal pilot]

I think I'm biased towards our species

[prisma cipher]

It's pretty normal

[formal pilot]

Don't say that, that's the only reason I pay taxes

[manic juniper]

Plus humans are quite stupid, like most mammals we believe that the success of one is the same as our collective success

If my neighbour becomes billionaire I will not be one as well

[thorny steeple]

There's a different between sapient and intelligence

[manic juniper]

This is why we will never achieve greatness like the reptiles did

[manic juniper]

We are neither

[formal pilot]

Guys i feel offended, please be respectful to our kind

[thorny steeple]

Well I always wonder why didn't homo erectus took over

[manic juniper]

We kinda are that

[formal pilot]

You mean Neanderthals?

[manic juniper]

We probably evolved from Homo erectus and coexisted with other species that also evolved from that

[formal pilot]

Yeah they're our ancestors

[thorny steeple]

Homo erectus

[thorny steeple]

They were lazy

[formal pilot]

We're them

[thorny steeple]

See the skull I mean the face

[manic juniper]

Homo erectus looked more similar to us

[formal pilot]

That mouth can rip my guts apart

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal

[manic juniper]

Humans used to be powerful with the same brain or even better, we used to have larger brains

[manic juniper]

But it's unknown if ours are simply optimised or if they shrank

[formal pilot]

Rn it takes 20-25% of our energy, big brains aren't sustainable

[thorny steeple]

Larger brain doesn't equal intelligence in non sapient species y'know

[thorny steeple]

Well evolution had to do it's work

[manic juniper]

Intelligence is a vague concept, in primate species it seems linked to absolute mass and volume

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's really difficult to explain intelligence

[thorny steeple]

True what about Sapient how does it relate?

[manic juniper]

I don't think either of them have any meaning to be honest, they're mostly philosophical concept without much ground in science

[thorny steeple]

True I always wonder where do we become conscious on this earth

[formal pilot]

I GTG guys

Cya

[prisma cipher]

I found it In English, who interested might watch. https://youtu.be/9kWmrz85CRw?si=4o7M49d1paRWF_3W

[hard parrot]

WHAT IN BLYAT IS THAT

[thorny steeple]

M1A1 Abrams

Older model

[hard parrot]

Still tho

Why is it in Moscow

[thorny steeple]

It was captured

Along with other stuff

[hard parrot]

Oh

Makes sense

[thorny steeple]

But it was a heavy cost yk

[hard parrot]

That's also tru

[thorny steeple]

Interesting meat grinder that war has become

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper
That study you mentioned in details. Apparently, Finno-Ugric regions in Russia present a low iq compared to others (we have to note that they live in worse conditions than Finns and Estonians do)

[manic juniper]

Finno-Ugrian is a large category, it'd be like saying Indo-Iranian, it could be a Kurd or a Bangladeshi

The Permyak Finns are somewhat far from us even genetically, the closest ones are other Baltic Finns

[thorny steeple]

At the beginning of the article, it says that they tested people that are genetically close, they showed 70% of similarity between Finns and Estonians. It is also the reason they didn't use Hungary in their study

[manic juniper]

I don't even take seriously IQ let alone the one study (weirdly made by a Finn and someone from another nationality) that puts us on top with Estonians quite close

It's suspicious to say the least

I belong to the dumbest category anyway, both northern and eastern

[thorny steeple]

I also think it's bvllshit to explain IQ results based solely on genetical reasons, but somehow it interests me. I'm still trying to figure out why Belarus has a so high IQ

[manic juniper]

IQ is genetic too but it's just on an individual basis

And the differences shouldn't be that big after all

[thorny steeple]

Scholars say it's 50% genetics and 50% environment

[thorny steeple]

IQ testing are flawed

I take PISA tests more seriously

[thorny steeple]

Pisa test?

[lofty python]

Program for International Student Assessment

[manic juniper]

If they used people from nearby regions and we are still closer to Estonians then it's their educational system, we are closer to Ingrians, Izhorians and especially Karelians than Estonians

[thorny steeple]

Interesting what's it about?

[lofty python]

measures 15yo reading, math and science literacy

[thorny steeple]

Interesting first time hearing on PISA Test