🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

Pretty much the non-nationalistic version of Hinduism if it still exists outside of festivals

As of late I've seen that even they are trying to promote it as rational or scientific when that wasn't the whole point of any religion, ever

[vapid hare]

And here I thought hinduism was incredibly decentralized and you could worship whoever you want without backlash

[vapid hare]

Isnt that somewhat heretical??

[manic juniper]

Wait until they realise that most deities popular today aren't the same that were popular thousands of years ago, even if the same deities are still featured

[manic juniper]

I don't know, it doesn't change the religion at its base, it changes the interpretations from a mythical one to a pseudoscientific one

Like those people with magnifying lenses attempting to find "scientific facts" in their religious texts

[vapid hare]

At least they're not becoming more conservative/fundamentalist so that's gotta count for something

[manic juniper]

Anyone that studies anthropology for more than 5 seconds would realise what's the purpose of regional religious practices

[vapid hare]

Is it just me or did anyone also confused anthropology with geology and thought anthropologists studied rocks or something

[manic juniper]

It never confused me because I kinda knew the meaning of anthropos or terms related to it

[vapid hare]

I was literally flabbergasted when I found out they studied civilizations and not rocks

[manic juniper]

Lol yes, they study humanity but honestly modern anthropology also compares us to other animals

[vapid hare]

I wonder how that works out in countries like saudi arabia

[prisma cipher]

Modern anthropology is like damn we can't studied humans because it looks similar to what nazi did. Bad times for modern anthropology

People of different races differ not only in skin color. or facial features. also, even the pattern of fingerprints is different for some races. But today main stream political idea we are all the same.

It’s clear why this is being done. because some may think that one race is better than another. but this is bad for science.

[manic juniper]

But races don't exist, those are clinal phenotypes

There is this kind of variation even amongst animals of the same species, like black bears or brown bears that are very widespread and vary a lot between a country and another

[prisma cipher]

All people on earth are one species. Homo sapiens. appeared at least 50k years ago. but we have races, and this is obvious. How do races differ from species? Races can interbreed and produce offspring. There are exceptions, but this is the main indicator

In old time we have several species, like I believe 30-100k years ago were Neanderthals, it's not different race it different specie

[manic juniper]

Race isn't a scientific term though, people should agree on what kind of classification to use, we don't even have a basis to have subspecies anymore because even the most isolated humans (the Sentinelese) had recent contacts with other Andamanese people so they are part of a larger cline

[manic juniper]

Even that isn't really known, they are considered a different species out of formality, but usually a species is the same when they are able to produce fertile offspring... Something that probably was the case with Neanderthals, since there were some hybrids

The thing about races is that they always existed on a very superficial morphological basis, they used to lump together most/all white people into a Caucasian/Caucasoid race, they did the same with Africans (and here it's already a problem, since Africans sport the highest diversity because they are close to our species' point of origin)

There was that one Asian race I probably can't mention whose name was taken from Mongolians, which is also wrong because Asia also has huge diversity, Turkic, Mongolic, Uralic, Tungusic, Sinitic and many others all have very different genotypes and origins

[prisma cipher]

Neanderthals are the first wave of migration of apes, more than 100k years passed between them, they managed to change a lot and become a different species. It's more than enough to become different species

[manic juniper]

They could interbreed with us though, and having a very different morphology isn't that important compared to molecular and genetic changes. Do you know that Eurasian bison and cows can have fertile offspring? Yet they're considered separate species

[prisma cipher]

All other races were separated not so long and they aren't different so much

[prisma cipher]

Kinda yes

That is why I say it's main difference

[manic juniper]

Well trust me, just because of nazi Germany anthropologists in USA didn't just stop thinking that races were a thing, it was a realisation that came at the same time as scientific advancements

[prisma cipher]

I'm glad to believe you but I heard so many anthropology stories about how lame modern anthropology is.

[manic juniper]

Classifying people in different races always was wrong and unscientific, I guess it had to do with lacking advancements in genetics or a misunderstanding of how a cline works

[manic juniper]

I'm no anthropologist nor I studied it much, I'm just an evolutionary biologist and I know for sure that the meaning of "race" is quite vague, in some languages it's used for dogs and it's completely related to their appearance alone and little about their genetics

[prisma cipher]

but people of different races have differences and they are not only external, and the only reason why they stopped studying it is modern norms, where all people are the same, and even you were exposed to this idea.

[manic juniper]

Dogs are pretty much all the same, they change a lot externally because of our meddling

[manic juniper]

They still study those differences, and they don't deny them to my knowledge, if anything now there are more studies about people of different populations because even in USA medicine was based off European-descent males

So it was bound to not be accurate if applied to other populations

[prisma cipher]

Not really.

Just check scientific magazine back then in 30th and now

[feral river]

the race itself, will classifying people no matter you want or not.

you can't see everyone as people, but a strong one, a thin one, a white one or a black one.

and male, female and trans

if you want to eliminate this term called races, you can visit some places in East Asia like China, Japan, and Korea you will see almost everyone's race are the same and people don't really care racism because they don't have another races but nationalism instead

and they don't need another races invade their home.

the other country which allowed multiple races and immigration is vulnerable under assimilate pressure by some countries who encourge people to go to other places and settle down, if this situation continues, one day the race and ethnic group who has more people will replace the current situation and establish the order which they wanted. it can be religious or ideologically, like capitalism, communism or Islam, Christianity.

that's why I really appreciate the existance of Donald J. Trump because he is acting for end this crisis for the america, and the whole world, in here China we don't accept any refugees, we don't accept people who doesn't adopt our system, our tradition, our rule and order, that's the point I really appreciate because we aren't being invaded by other nationalities and races.

[manic juniper]

Did you even read what I wrote? Nowhere did I say that classifications don't exist anymore

They're just not based off superficial morphological traits like it used to be

[cedar oar]

All hail the CCP's sentiment!

Trump supporters, man, they're even in China

[feral river]

all I'm saying is truth 🤣 if you think it's not then pick one here

[feral river]

I read that and I see that you said classification based on race is all wrong I don't think it's wrong but it's normal, common, and sometimes it's wrong.

so I'm telling the truth but you are evaluating myself 🤣 which means you have no idea against my content but my personality.

that's another type of vulnerable.

#🧠｜serious-chat message

you can mention your message again and repeat it.

and you know who is the person evaluating the other one based on opinion.

you didn't even stop evaluating that 🤣

yeah I see so reply based on your opinion on my statement, not my personality.

attacking my personality is pointless and i don't fcking care

I don't care so I bring it up because I don't want to accuse you back because of this.

I'm not the person who will tolerant someone spreading sh*t about me I will just give it back and I won't give any fck to anyone wants to attack me in any measure.

nice out have a nice time kid.

[thorny steeple]

[feral river]

Coming from a person who only accuse not even talking something back and label someone as racist spreading false accusations

you may say it first

22

ok now I'm on LOL see ya later

[formal pilot]

I can confirm

[iron salmon]

🇵🇸 or 🇮🇱 ?

[formal pilot]

Both

[manic juniper]

I don't care about what you think, science doesn't agree

[formal pilot]

I believe in 2 state solution, and I also believe that extremist government of Israel is doing war crimes in gaza

[iron salmon]

The kids in gaza 😢😢

[feral river]

whatever, the stronger side will win

[formal pilot]

I feel really bad for them, the one who died and also the one who lived, they'll suffer from trauma

PTSD*

[manic juniper]

I hate both because they're not reptiles but I don't hate them more than any other mammal

I'm equal

[iron salmon]

Palestine will win one day❤️

[feral river]

its the real life

[manic juniper]

I believe in a one-State reptile solution, where there is one State obviously controlled by reptiles

[feral river]

i see

[manic juniper]

Not just in Israel/Palestine but an international one-State reptile country

[thorny steeple]

Best solution

[formal pilot]

[iron salmon]

Everyone must receive justice.

[feral river]

there is no such term called vile in a battleground

[manic juniper]

It's funny because in our country's civil war the weaker side and the one with the least resources won

Won I mean

[feral river]

only powerful, and the weaker.

[manic juniper]

The chain of command was simply better and the troops were better trained even if outnumbered a bit

[iron salmon]

Who is Muslims?

[manic juniper]

Like how Israel won decades ago against some Arab countries

They were outnumbered but Arabs weren't organised at all

Strategies and tactics can achieve a lot, simply throwing numbers at the enemy doesn't always work

[formal pilot]

Arguably xi jinping

[formal pilot]

What do you think is the best way to eradicate hate between Jews and Muslims of that region?

[manic juniper]

If violence isn't included I don't think it's possible

[formal pilot]

Maybe education in long run?

Focusing on rational thinking

[manic juniper]

There are utopian solutions like separating and segregating both with very defined borders and a third party government to forcefully keep the situation in this way at least for some decades before opening the borders again

Even then, opening the borders will be useless since they would all get their own houses anyway

So they'd awkwardly stare at each other

[prisma cipher]

one side wins and imposes its opinion, there is only this option. because there is no truth in this feud

[feral river]

Xi jinping

[manic juniper]

No country is pro-Palestine or pro-Israel enough to do such a thing or to achieve economic suicide simply for charity

[formal pilot]

That region is special, i don't think anyone can impose specific opinion for all

[manic juniper]

This would require a hypothetical third party to destroy both Hamas and the IDF lol it's simply absurd

[formal pilot]

I'm voting for china to do that

[prisma cipher]

For me I don't like Israel but it's because it's allie with us.

[manic juniper]

Either a charitable country or a country imperialistic enough that wants both Israel and Palestine under its own control like the ottoman empire did

[formal pilot]

Lmao the Ottoman Empire got smoked by British, arab revolutionaries, Jewish and french

[prisma cipher]

You know what funny about China, it's might be strong but those people not really like to use their force, like we in Russia fight a lot, with all countries around, and we have border with China, but those people just chill

[manic juniper]

Yes and in its latest days it was being bad to all ethnicities that weren't Turkish

It was a giant walking corpse

[prisma cipher]

Those who scared China will act like us acting when they be strong enough, I'm not so sure about it

[manic juniper]

Today no country would have a war with Israel just to control that tiny sliver of land, and Palestine doesn't have anything to offer

[formal pilot]

They don't want to waste money, they're doing good ig

Not like to use forces? Dude they literally swallowed Tibet and parts of india

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[formal pilot]

@feral river where do you use your forces?

I've some good friends from that region, rip to those

They caused the crash of srilankan economy by exploiting it

They're about to exploit Maldives

[prisma cipher]

We talking not about who don't take another territory we talking about non stop war, big country all do that.

Us British Russia French ottoman polish empire, non stop war

[formal pilot]

Big countries do that to grab lands

[prisma cipher]

China not like that

[formal pilot]

They're also about to invest $400B in iran within next 25 years

[formal pilot]

China is playing classical chess

While everyone is playing ludo

They're also doing something big in Bangladesh as far as I can remember

What do you think is the true super power is in terms of influence?? China or USA?

Everyone is biased, that's the human nature

Like what?

It is faccs

Feel free to add

@manic juniper why humans are designed to be biased?

[manic juniper]

Towards who? Themselves?

Or mammals as a whole

[formal pilot]

Towards certain ideologies/ thoughts

[manic juniper]

Idk I guess it's the way people are socialised or what they link to more happiness

[formal pilot]

Or it has something to do with survival?

Like to make quick decisions

@manic juniper like our ancestors encountering a rustling in the bushes. Their brains, wired for survival, might quickly interpret it as a potential threat, like a predator. In this situation, confirmation bias could kick in, leading them to focus only on evidence that supports the belief that there's a predator lurking, such as previous experiences of predators in similar situations or stories passed down from others

[iron salmon]

Allahhuakbar ☝️

[manic juniper]

Usually those reactions are much faster

They're based on urgency and sometimes fear

[iron salmon]

Inshaallah bro 🥰

Are you not Muslim?

But you know Inshaallah word

No I just confused

[civic reef]

I would be very arrogant and bold, and say that its obviously the US, since dollars are just more powerful, american music is widely known same as the english language. I am using the english language to write this comment, despite being a polish citizen raised speaking polish language. I think this shows how huge the influence has been

[iron salmon]

No I’m Muslim

Okkk

Are u cristian ?

Which religion do you mean?

What religion do you follow?

@cedar oar

But you told cristian doesn’t exist

[dull scaffold]

he was talking about your spelling mistake

its Christianity

[grave temple]

In the contrary, Christian Bale does exist

He is the epitome of the Sigma male

Wait is Christian bale written with or without the h

I forgot 💀

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-24293069

[dull scaffold]

with h

and i just learned the word epitome ty

[iron salmon]

Islam is realllll

[cedar oar]

Yeah, I mean, the religion is real, just any other religion we know about

[grave temple]

Np

[grave temple]

Erm what the sigma

[iron salmon]

No god But Allah

[grave temple]

I feel molested

[cedar oar]

Said everyone who visited Little Saint James

[grave temple]

Gyatt dem I didn’t know that

Ok I seriously need to drop the brainrot

[dull scaffold]

well religions are about preference and since everyone has their own faith on their own religion its absurd to say my religion is the right one to someone

[cedar oar]

Please don't use Gen. A brainrot

[dull scaffold]

everyone can enjoy their own religions in their own lifes and minds

[dapper laurel]

Brrooo

I found the test

The tessst

Statstts

A test on political values

The values ​​of the third position

[cedar oar]

Yes, I saw that. And now I remember what I wanted to say. It was honestly much inferior to the one I sent, the questions seemed vague. And, how do I explain this? The questions seemed a little too specefic?

[dapper laurel]

Noioooooooooookoa

[cedar oar]

It put me as neutral on the nationalist-globalist scale, which is just absurd

[dapper laurel]

Maybe you just changed your political values

[grave temple]

I am a full fledged nationalist-conservative

[cedar oar]

No, no chance. I am staunchly committed against nationalism

[cedar oar]

Well, well, well, that's another house I'm going to have to break in to!

[dapper laurel]

I got NS from the test 💀💀💀

[grave temple]

nah fr tho I got centralist

[cedar oar]

Which stands for? (Yes, I don't know)

[grave temple]

I support both right and left policies

[cedar oar]

A good way to piss off everybody

[dapper laurel]

I can't say it here, let's just say far right

[grave temple]

Nah i hate liberals

But I support liberal capitalism

💀💀

[cedar oar]

Those darn lib tards always ruining the day, amirite amirite?

[cedar oar]

Tell it to me in the secret realm

[grave temple]

Colleges used to be houses of knowledge now it’s filled with crap

[dapper laurel]

Dm?

[cedar oar]

Of course

[cedar oar]

The world used to be agrarian, now it's filled with pesky machines making our lives easier! Those darn progressives, man

[grave temple]

Nationalist socialist?

You feel like you would be one 💀

[dapper laurel]

Noooooo

But I think that from my (conservative) family background I may have right-wing ideas

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-saul-goodman-lawyer-attorney-inside-the-court-gif-17518658

[grave temple]

legit me too

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/alvin-and-the-chipmunks-alvin-whoops-my-bad-oops-gif-15512287650458333097

[grave temple]

But how far right?

[dapper laurel]

Moderate

[grave temple]

Then it’s chill

Nothing to worry abt

[cedar oar]

Yeah, he isn't a painter after all

Nothing to worry about at all!

Anyway. Time to criticize the CCP yet again

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_China

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

[dapper laurel]

😏

[dapper laurel]

Brooo, you should know this: nothing happend !!

[grave temple]

I feel except for the 6/4, xinjiang and internet censorship, there’s nothing else you can criticize about

[cedar oar]

It was just another day in the glorious People's Republic of China

[cedar oar]

Xi looks like Winnie the Pooh

[grave temple]

Western countries’ mistakes and crimes are never much publicized

Almost like if media was controlled 🤔

[cedar oar]

Yeah, but, Your Honour, that would be whataboutism

[grave temple]

erm not really, you can’t always use whataboutism to defend crimes

[cedar oar]

There is definitely government control, but it's not like you can't find out about the Five Eyes organisation, the terrible leadership of the west

[grave temple]

That would be whataboutism

[cedar oar]

Your Honour, I'm not defending them, I'm simply saying that the topic was about China, so let's focus on that. The west will get its own criticizing session later

[grave temple]

It never does in this channel

[cedar oar]

Well then, let's begin. CIA, please don't target me for this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_crisis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare

@grave temple, is that enough yet?

[grave temple]

Idk man

I feel the Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya go above the housing crisis

[cedar oar]

The housing crisis is really terrible, but the wars as well

[grave temple]

It’s really strange how we’ve been to Iraq but we forgot we’ve been there and why we were there

They said there were WMD, UN inspectors didn’t find anything

[cedar oar]

While, not really we, since I'm not American or a westerner really

[grave temple]

They said they had/developed nukes, they didn’t

They just toppled a sovereign country with no repercussions

Doing what Russia is doing to Ukraine

It’s literally hypocrisy

[cedar oar]

They used it as a justification to attack. In reality, they wanted to find out which country may have had involvement in Eisenhower's death, and Iraq was one of the suspects

[grave temple]

What

No Saddam was overthrown in the 2000s

[cedar oar]

Yeah. Eisenhower had an unexpected heart attack, or I may be confusing that with another thing. Excuse me as its late

[grave temple]

Eisenhower died in the 60-70s

I think you are confusing yourself

[cedar oar]

Yes, definitely am. I'll blame it on the day being late

Anyway, I do know about the bogus justification though

[grave temple]

They just got cheaper oil 💀

[cedar oar]

Oh, darn it, greed again!

[grave temple]

Libya, Iraq , Iran had their respective regimes overthrown because their government nationalized oil

And Oncle Sam hates that

[cedar oar]

Yeah, because the USA needs all of that oil to fuel its war machine

[civic reef]

it wouldnt need to if russia stopped comitting war crimes, and china stopped its propaganda

there are clear causes of conflicts on this planet right now, and these causes are russian and chinese governments. american government has never been clear, but they are, overall, on the good side

[grave temple]

Nobody is on the good side

This world isn’t in black and white

Everyone has their own interests

I don’t see how Chinese propaganda and Russia has anything to do with Iraq but sure

[civic reef]

well, i think it does have something to do with it, because if you have two big players against the US, and then also Iraq, then the situation is worse for the US cuz there are more dangers

[grave temple]

No it hasn’t. Unlike Ukraine joining NATO, Iraq was no threat to US national security whatsoever

[civic reef]

whats wrong with ukraine joining nato

[grave temple]

Define “dangers”, is nationalizing your own oil being dangerous to the US national security

[grave temple]

Russia used the same pretext as the Americans for Iraq

Why is it okay if the US invades a sovereign country but not Russia?

[civic reef]

ah, okay, i see the logic here

[grave temple]

It would be like if Mexico was in a military alliance with China or Russia

[civic reef]

neither of them should

obviously, i guess. Almost obviously cuz some people would defend russsian war

[grave temple]

Exactly both countries committed crimes that violated UN charters

So saying US is on the “good side” is not true

[feral river]

they did but how did UN committed ? UN never committed that

every resolution against China and Russia will immediately vetoed by themselves.

so they didn't commit that

all of those accusations and resolution against US, UK, France, China and Russia which having veto power is futile. including nuclear issue, regional security, war, internal policies etc. no exceptions, no solutions against those five global powers, that's how global order works, and it will not change.

maybe they can try some resolutions against Israel, Iraq, Syria which some government backed by the US, Russia or China will also being vetoed by them because of the conflict of interest.

unless, a country that angered those 5 powers, no vetoes and they all want to fight against it, will be passed.

that's why in my home, China, no one freaking cares UN because that's our tool for expanding our interest.

[timber iron]

But Putin isn't been put against the wall bc of how the Russia isn't doing well in the war?

I think he might press the button

[feral river]

it isn't doing well yeah that's their own problem.

[feral river]

he will if Ukraine joins NATO

if you can imagine the Mexico is backed by China and Russia, and they want to put the missiles and nuclear warheads in Mexico to threat the US, what US will do is clear and it almost happened in before which is the Cuba missile crisis.

same logic on Russia.

thanks for this guy for the world peace not nuclear war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Arkhipov

"the man who saved the world".

[cedar oar]

The guy deserves a monument

[dapper laurel]

All his work was useless because china will destroy the world now

And USA

[cedar oar]

China? How will it destroy the world alone?

[dapper laurel]

A combined nuclear war with Russia and the United States

[cedar oar]

Yeah, fair enough. But if we get our sheiße together, we can pull through

[timber iron]

It's the post nuke the problem

One will press

[cedar oar]

But that wouldn't end humanity or the world, that would just severely damage the select countries and the areas surrounding them

[timber iron]

And another also will do in retaliation

[cedar oar]

We weren't denying that, but ok

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately these countries govern blocks of influence so allied countries will also be victims

[timber iron]

Well, we don't have vaults like fallout, so IF it happens in a global scale, we are f*cked

[cedar oar]

That increases how much damage is done, but that still isn't enough to end the world

[timber iron]

Have that too

[cedar oar]

Who talked vaults, no. We don't, but we do have bunkers and a lot of land

And by we, I meant the billionaires

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[timber iron]

[cedar oar]

Let's just hope globalist socialist win elections and try to mitigate the damage, if it happens that is

[dapper laurel]

We don't know, with the fall of the major economies the whole world could fall

[cedar oar]

Or y'know, they could just get their sheiße togethwr hopefully. God, damn it, humans being incompetent at building houses again!

[dapper laurel]

Scheiße, stop with this German bad words

Verdammte Hure

[halcyon scarab]

Yes USA is on the good side they just need power or allies because of the Russian and Chinese danger

They are trying to destroy communism so that the power in the world is not concentrated in one hand (I say this not as an American nationalist, but as a Turk).

[cedar oar]

I was using it because the word in English is blocked here. And I'd like to say that it isn't a bad word

[cedar oar]

I hope that's not referring to me

[manic juniper]

They're not on the good side, they're not even against spying their allies

[cedar oar]

The only good sides are the socialists and other leftists (tankies excluded)

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-gif-20772593

[manic juniper]

Idk there are some leftists I talked to that aren't even social democrats, they only care about the social aspects of it

[halcyon scarab]

They want to replace things that threaten them with those around them, and if that doesn't work, they destroy them and rule them themselves.

[cedar oar]

As long as they're aligned with my viewpoint, then they're on the good side

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-gif-20772593

Isfrun, you're aligned with it, so fret not as I will not eradicate you like the tankies

[manic juniper]

How exactly was the EU being threatening?

Since they were spying on our politicians

[cedar oar]

They're spying on everyone and everything

Totalitarianism has been unleashed beyond the common person's imagination

[manic juniper]

The point is that there is no way they are on the good side when they aren't even good to their allies

[halcyon scarab]

I don't know much, but it may be that the Chinese will agree to the new generation new road project.

[cedar oar]

Yeah, they're not. But can we agree that I and the other socialists and leftists are the good side? Aye? (Say yes)

[halcyon scarab]

He doesn't want to get close to the Chinese

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't say all of them when there are socialists that still defend the Soviet Union or leftists that are pink capitalists

[cedar oar]

Yeah, well, I already clarified that they're excluded. Here: #🧠｜serious-chat message

[cedar oar]

Red capitalists*

[manic juniper]

I don't think there is an absolutely good or bad side, just one with better solutions

[cedar oar]

Yeah, obviously my side, right?

[manic juniper]

No I'm talking about those that think only having rainbows and acceptance everywhere will magically improve the economy as well

[halcyon scarab]

where are you from bro

[manic juniper]

Finland

[halcyon scarab]

very good

[cedar oar]

So the liberal populists, I see

[halcyon scarab]

you are very lucky

[manic juniper]

I guess

[feral river]

Everything has prices.

[cedar oar]

Anyway. Us leftists are definitely the better side of this. We want equality and unity between humans, unlike the profit driven greedy bourgeoisie pigs!

[halcyon scarab]

You are definitely very lucky

[manic juniper]

I want a world order of mostly reptiles like it used to be 66 millions years ago

[feral river]

Marxism-Leninism

[cedar oar]

Oh, God, damn it. It's always the reptiles

[manic juniper]

No one is lucky to live in 2024 but he's I'm more lucky than most

[halcyon scarab]

too utopian

[cedar oar]

I said, excluding tankies. Here: #🧠｜serious-chat message

[cedar oar]

Bourgeoisie propoganda that it isn't possible

[feral river]

Well Marxism and Leninism are definitely not tankies

[cedar oar]

Yes, they definitely are tankies

[feral river]

And the stuff you mentioned is literally part of Marxism-Leninism

[manic juniper]

Marxism isn't but Marxism-Leninism is like national socialism, it's Marxist only in name

[feral river]

That’s the point

[manic juniper]

It's like thinking national socialism was socialist in any way besides name

[halcyon scarab]

Do you think you can trust the person from whom you gather the power?

[cedar oar]

Oh, please. The point of ML is to create an authoritarian state with the premise of it preparing for true communism, but never achieving it

[feral river]

It’s not if you ever known about it

[cedar oar]

What do you mean?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism–Leninism?wprov=sfti1#

You can read it

[cedar oar]

National Socialism but with red

[halcyon scarab]

Bro leave the Uyghurs alone

[feral river]

Not Stalinism, Maoism and other stuff. I only mean the Marxism and Leninism itself

[cedar oar]

No sheiße I can, that's not the point though

[feral river]

Nope

Uyghurs are living good

[manic juniper]

The thing is that it got the Marxism-Leninism label after Lenin was already gone lol

[halcyon scarab]

Then long live USA, long live Democracy

[feral river]

That point you mentioned is literally part of Marxism-Leninism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism–Leninism?wprov=sfti1#

[manic juniper]

So it isn't even Leninist, it's just Stalin doing whatever the frick he wishes to because he got rid of the opposition and is surrounded by yes-men and bloodthirsty maniacs like Beria

[feral river]

Read it

[feral river]

Who cares

[halcyon scarab]

We have at least partial knowledge of what happened in the concentration camps.

[manic juniper]

Read the first lines, it literally says it was developed by Stalin lmao

[cedar oar]

I considered Marxist-Leninists to be tankies. End of story. And that is quite the true statement

[feral river]

Yeah I see, I have a friend who currently working in the reeducation camp and he can earn up to 8000 USD per month

[manic juniper]

Lol

[halcyon scarab]

haha your population is decreasing most of your people are poor billionaires in prison you have no future

[feral river]

Then you are totally misunderstood about Marxism-Leninism because the tankies you mentioned is Stalinism and Maoism

[cedar oar]

Don't mention it, it's all western propoganda!

[manic juniper]

There is no way China can throw money away like that especially if he is one of the people being held at the camp

[feral river]

Oh I see, so I think some country are devastated because of immigration, abusing drugs, Muslims and other minorities are prospering and the country which are safe, unity and powerful is collapsing is totally right!

[cedar oar]

Oh ffs. I definitely didn't. Meet a Marxist-Leninist, criticize one of the following countries: USSR, China, Cuba. Now get the usual answer of it being western propoganda, or something else that is delusional

[feral river]

USA 1st!

[halcyon scarab]

There are 15 trillion dollars and 1.5 billion people in your country. It is impossible for an unskilled worker to earn 8 thousand dollars a month.

[manic juniper]

Yeah no way

[feral river]

China isn’t really Marxism-Leninism, USSR is Stalinism and Cuba is literally the puppet of the USSR in before

[manic juniper]

Not even in 3000 years the average worker will get 8k USD just like that

[manic juniper]

Stalinism is a pejorative name for Marxism-Leninism

You really don't get it even though the Wikipedia page you sent earlier clearly states that it was created by Stalin, not Lenin

[cedar oar]

You're missing the point. The ML's claims are what matters here, the countries are just bait to get them talking

[halcyon scarab]

Arabs do not concern me, they do not represent me, I am a democratic Turk.

[feral river]

Apparently not, actually the socialism movement itself, is beginning because of Karl Marx

[feral river]

You can be whatever you want

We won’t bother you

[manic juniper]

Yeah that's called scientific socialism by some, or just Marxism

Marxism itself isn't that similar to Marxism-Leninism

[feral river]

So you are known about Leninism ?

[halcyon scarab]

but you do

[feral river]

I didn’t do that where is your evidence

[manic juniper]

Lenin was long gone when the term Marxism-Leninism was made, it's just a PR move to make it sound like it was Lenin's project all along

When you can see that Lenin's USSR and post-Lenin USSR are already very different

A lot of programs like the Latinisation of minority languages were interrupted after Lenin's death

[halcyon scarab]

I have no problem with you, I support Tayyip Erdoğan.

[feral river]

Well Lenin has some thinking about modifying the socialism system and concept based on Marxism you can’t say that Leninism is only being modified by Stalin because that’s literally Stalinism the important part is socialism in one country and that’s not socialism

[halcyon scarab]

These words come from the mouth of every Uyghur who comes here. If your dictator allows, we will provide evidence by making a video.

[feral river]

I think some people have confused about Marxism-Leninism, Marxism, Stalinism, Maoism, Xism

They are completely different

But currently the socialism movement whatever they admit or not, almost all based on those ideologies

[cedar oar]

A lot of people confuse a lot of things. But I still stand by what I said here: #🧠｜serious-chat message

[manic juniper]

There was no Leninism in Stalin's era, pretty much nothing was left of the multiple socialist outcomes and viewpoints, there were no progressive or conservative socialist views, there was just Stalin's project

[halcyon scarab]

oh nice unity strengthens for world peace

[manic juniper]

All the opposition like Bucharin and Trotsky were exiled or assassinated by then

[halcyon scarab]

where are you from

[feral river]

Yes I thought you confused about the Stalin’s modification on Marxism-Leninism and you included his modify on this ideology itself

[manic juniper]

He didn't modify Marxism-Leninism, he created it

[cedar oar]

"If we sneak Lenin into our ideology's name, they won't notice!"

[halcyon scarab]

Do you live in Armenia?

[feral river]

That’s 1920 when the Lenin still not dead

[manic juniper]

There was no Marxism-Leninism when Lenin was alive, I already said it

Even the Wikipedia page states that it was created by Stalin

[halcyon scarab]

oh okey

[feral river]

Lenin was dead in 1924

But this ideology was developed in 1920

[manic juniper]

That's Leninism

[feral river]

Lenin must known about this

[feral river]

I mean Marxism-Leninism

[cedar oar]

Ok. Now tell me why you skulled that message

[feral river]

You can see it on Wikipedia

[halcyon scarab]

anyway, good night guys (except anti-democrats)

[feral river]

So if everyone in here saying the US is part of China and is US part of China ? 😂 your word comes to your mouth proofs nothing

Where is your proof, soild proof

[violet peak]

hi

[manic juniper]

This is from the link you sent btw

[violet peak]

Ain’t no way this girl is alive 😔

100000 lashes 👎🏿

[feral river]

Yeah I know that’s what I sent this ideology I mean Marxism-Leninism was developed in 1920 and Lenin is dead in 1924

I mean Lenin known about this even it’s developed by Stalin

That’s why it’s Marxism-Leninism not Stalinism

Stalinism is socialism in one country stuff

I’m pretty known about this

[halcyon scarab]

haha I must either be ignorant or understand politics to say that, the facts are clear and your head of state is a dictator
Just because you force them to say it doesn't mean they're saying what's on their mind.

[feral river]

Long live people’s democratic dictatorship!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_democratic_dictatorship?wprov=sfti1#

[feral river]

That’s not a dictator but a leader which was elected by people’s congress 😂😂😂

[halcyon scarab]

to hell with it

[feral river]

Hell? How many troops it has ? “The pope, how many divisions he have ?”

• Joseph Stalin

[halcyon scarab]

I mean the soldiers .d

[feral river]

Oh that’s democracy obviously your western democracy are literally economic authoritarianism

Election != democracy

[halcyon scarab]

Our western democracy is democracy, which is an environment of free thought and expression based on the individual, a system in which the people can criticize the state.

[feral river]

Oh yes propaganda based on money, party movement based on money, very impressive

[halcyon scarab]

ou probably like listening to fairy tales, you must be very obsessed with the fairy tales of your state.

[feral river]

Once it has some stuff that could abuse money for government like resources in Russia it will become to a totalitarianism which is extremely authoritarian based on economic blockade by capitalists and politicians

Very awesome

And it happened in before

[halcyon scarab]

No, you can freely express your opinion using the x application, my friend, we have an application called x.

[feral river]

Oh yeah, Elon Musk’s new toy you must like this

Maybe he will shut the f up after being fined some billions

By your government

There is freedom of speech, but you have always be responsible, for your speech anytime

[halcyon scarab]

There will never be a penalty unless there is terrorist propaganda. Of course you think the world is like that because your government won't even let you tell the truth.

[feral river]

No any chance you can be irresponsible for your speech

It has prices, on your freedom

And my government, doesn’t give a sh*t if you follow the rule and law, you still have much freedoms such like freedom of eating which some countries doesn’t have

🤣🤣🤣 freedom of speech is allowed and freedom of eating is not allowed is ridiculous

You can’t even eat something you want but you can say it

LMAO

[halcyon scarab]

Haha, I understand that you say we don't care about freedom, let's be full, but this is a matter of conscience, don't forget that it is not forbidden for us to be full.

[feral river]

I see but I don’t care because I have my freedom including freedom of speech 🤣

And freedom of eating! Dogs, cats very delicious

[halcyon scarab]

Without ideas, there will be no development. Without development, more people will go hungry.

Go out, damn Xi Jinping, and criticize her.

[feral river]

You need an idea you can follow it all the way or you have thousands of idea and you don’t even know which is right?

Come on

You can do nothing if you don’t follow it for a long time

[halcyon scarab]

We decide which is right by voting, not by one person dictating it.

[feral river]

Oh yeah voting based on numbers, let’s see after some years which ethnic group will be the majority

But for us, I’m the majority, my kid is majority all the time

It will never change, never

They will defend our interests but your government doesn’t defend your interests 😂

[halcyon scarab]

For us, ideas are important, not race. People are raised accordingly. Those who are not raised accordingly and become nationalists cannot enter.

[violet peak]

Least nationalist chinese:

[feral river]

Even you vote you contribute but it worth nothing because voting based on number !

Very impressive

Next government who opposes your idea will waste all the struggles you do and even labeling you as political enemy

But we take a break, and do whatever we want

[violet peak]

Yo minecraft man

I don’t think he/she even reading these

[feral river]

Sup

[violet peak]

So ur talking to a wall

[feral river]

I know 😂

[violet peak]

I mean stop talkin man

[feral river]

I’m practicing myself when I’m talking back

[violet peak]

Does that means you live here?

[feral river]

Nah it’s a good way to develop my language skills

Why not

[violet peak]

With yo Iphone 15 😭🗣

[feral river]

How do you know I have iPhone 15

Omg

[halcyon scarab]

In our country, power is not in one hand, it belongs to the people. Therefore, no one can oppress the people. There is a concept of social state. Learn about democracy by seeing it, not from the propaganda of your state.

[violet peak]

Cuz ur chinese

And chinese ppl are rich

[feral river]

Damn how

I’m using iPhone 15 right now

[violet peak]

And probably atheist

[feral river]

And I’m in Korea

[violet peak]

So you escaped from china?

[feral river]

Nope

[violet peak]

And also

[feral river]

I’m studying here for 3 months and I will back to China

[violet peak]

You probably hate uyghurs and tibets

[feral river]

I miss my home 😭😭

[feral river]

Nope but I hate terrorists

[violet peak]

Average chinese

[violet peak]

Are they terrorist? 🙏🏻😭

[feral river]

They are not but some of them are

[violet peak]

Some of them?

[feral river]

Yeah

[violet peak]

Can you describe???

Not too long cuz Im not readin allat

[feral river]

Like separatists, rallies out and violent/normal protests

The action which violated the law of the PRC

[violet peak]

How is that terrorist tho

I heard china doing bad things to uyghurs and tibets?

[halcyon scarab]

In short, the state deceives them by calling them Uighurs terrorists.

[violet peak]

Idk about tibetian ppl but Im sure about uyghurs

[feral river]

That’s obviously terrorists which rallies out starting anti-society movement against Han Chinese groups and government

[violet peak]

Do u think like that?

[halcyon scarab]

yeah

[feral river]

Some of them

They violated the law of PRC of course they got punished

[violet peak]

I think the only “terrorist” here is china government rn 😭🙏🏻

[feral river]

No exceptions

[violet peak]

Lashes ahh thing

[halcyon scarab]

Their media is not independent

[violet peak]

Oh?

[feral river]

Then overthrow it

[violet peak]

I only know bilibili

Lmao

[feral river]

Only the side have much force can define terrorist or not

You can’t define it

[halcyon scarab]

in china

[feral river]

No strength, no dignity, and no interest

That’s the rule of this world

No exceptions

[violet peak]

thats sure a thing

No power=nothing

That how world works

(Idk how to spell unfortnuently)

[halcyon scarab]

where are you from?

[violet peak]

Turkiye

[halcyon scarab]

lan diyorum sezin bi yerden dank ediyor kaffama

[violet peak]

Selam

[halcyon scarab]

ben de Türk'üm

[violet peak]

Bnde

[halcyon scarab]

sanada

[violet peak]

bu kızın dediklerine katılyıon mu

çok Türkçe konuşmayak ban yiyebilioz

[halcyon scarab]

kız mı o

[violet peak]

Mhm

Eskiden öyle diyodu

[halcyon scarab]

yok ya bildiğin çin milliyetçisi propaganda yapio

[halcyon scarab]

haklısın

[violet peak]

yani

[halcyon scarab]

I don't like doing politics with strangers, they are generally not very objective.

[halcyon scarab]

where are you live

[violet peak]

İstanbul you?

[halcyon scarab]

Adana

Istanbul is very expensive and crowded. I am a person who wants silence, so it is not for my own sake.

[violet peak]

That’s a sad fact Istanbul is overcrowded

I hate it too :(

[halcyon scarab]

How old are you? Are you a university student?

[halcyon scarab]

yeah so bad

[violet peak]

no…

[halcyon scarab]

What is your target?

[halcyon scarab]

I am 17 years old

[violet peak]

For university?

[halcyon scarab]

yes

I plan to study BANU software engineering and improve myself and go abroad, maybe I will get an Erasmus program, who knows?

[halcyon scarab]

Anyway, good night, we can talk again if you are available tomorrow if you want.

[opaque merlin]

G

H

[brave kestrel]

hi

is anyone here

[soft vessel]

Hi 👋

[violet peak]

♥️

[polar tusk]

Hi everyone

Is there anybody i can talk with

[prisma cipher]

You mean serious? You can talk in general chat

[thorny steeple]

I see, this is your western "democracy"

[prisma cipher]

I take this pic, it's great organised

[thorny steeple]

The USA is imperialist, but that does not mean that Western democracies are imperalist

The internal political system is not the same as international politics and wars, democracy may be good but not the country, different things

For example Switzerland is a democracy, a western democracy but it´s not imperalist and USA is a western democracy too but imperalist

I recommed u "Democracy pace theory"

[open plover]

That is military history - it is obvious these things are to happen at some point

[terse pike]

A lot of the examples given here are not what I would call imperialist interventions. Here's a few examples, China 1945 was us just assisting in the transition of Chinese territory from Japan back to the ROC. This was the case for pretty much any country that was invaded by Japan in WW2 so it's not like China is an outlier. Vietnam is an inherently defensive mission contrary to popular belief we were there on the request of South Vietnam who was being invaded by North Vietnam. The objective was for South Vietnam to retain their sovereignty not for their to be an American occupation. Kuwait in 1991 was another strictly defensive mission done at the request of Kuwait after their territory was fully invaded and under the control of Iraq.

[feral river]

I don’t think Switzerland is even a regional power in the game of geopolitics. 😂 they doesn’t even have much influence over the world and they don’t have their interest sphere in the world.

United States is not an imperialist but chauvinism, every superpower are chauvinism if they don’t they will not be superpower

I just don’t know what’s going on recently some people are literally promoting some actions which will threaten their own interest 😂😂😂

or they are just trolling themselves

[thorny steeple]

My opinion on Switzerland

I miss Gaddafi sm

[terse pike]

Better proposal is making the southern half of Belgium a part of France and the north half of Belgium a part of the Netherlands. This would also make Brussels a city state administered by the European Union.

[thorny steeple]

I think about this everyday
Belgium is just two utterly different provinces formed right after Wallonia's revolt against Netherlands.
It is the worst result of the Napoleonic Wars

Brussels should be part of Congo, they built this city

[terse pike]

I'd give it a week before it becomes the most anarchic and economically depressed part of Europe.

[thorny steeple]

It was just a small pinch of irony
Western Africa could not even free themselves from the French rule to these days
How come would something like that happen

Why do Indians consume so much milk

[terse pike]

Us Americans have to get our numbers up.

[obsidian orbit]

yeah

[thorny steeple]

60% of India are lactose intolerants

[terse pike]

Hindus believe it has purifying qualities.

Also milk is good, I can't blame them for drinking so much of it.

[thorny steeple]

I think it has more to do with the amount of self-made Yogurt that they make at home

[terse pike]

It very well could be. I'm not adequately informed on dairy consumption within India.

[thorny steeple]

I even found some Americans asking why they see so many Indians buying milk in grocery stores

[muted patio]

To be frank,most people in the country you mentioned many do not agree with your viewpoint

Such rhetoric was swept away as early as the United States failed to invade these regions

And most of the "American democratic friends" you mentioned are considered a traitorous regime in these countries, especially in China

I remember a doggerel:"When i'm a child,i laughed at Chang with grandparent's stories,When i.grew older,i laughed at him by myself,.And when i passed away,i would laugh at him face to face in nether world "

[terse pike]

I can see how the ROC could be considered traitorous in the modern day PRC, but Vietnam and Kuwait? Vietnam was invaded by China quickly after being reunified. I wouldn't say either North or South Vietnam was particularly well liked by the PRC at the time. Kuwait is definitely not viewed in a bad light in China as far as my knowledge. I didn't give this as an example but if anything China's view on US involvement in the Global War on Terror in Afghanistan should be positive since we fought against some of the same groups they fight against in Xinjiang.

[muted patio]

It seems like we have different history interpretation.Our country helped Vietnam a lot when they were fighting with French.For Example,the leader of Vietnam,Ho Chi Minh,had a great family-like relationship with our first PM Zhou en lai.General Vo neou Giap, known as Red Napoleon by you, is also a student of Chen Gong. As for the so-called aggression you mentioned, it was the invasion of Cambodia and Guangxi by the Lisun Group after reunification, as they incited national independence internally and invaded Cambodia and Guangxi externally. Only then did we begin the self-defense and counterattack war

[muted patio]

I think you need to review the history and the present in a float, changing perspective

[muted patio]

A little mistake,not "National independence"but "National Conflict"

And to be honest, I personally am happy to see the American people and their governments fighting terrorism like us, which may be a rare commonality

[terse pike]

Foreign policy is everchanging. At the time China viewed it as valuable for their interests to support Vietnam in fighting against France in order to reduce the west's influence within the region. Later on it viewed Vietnam as a threat to their interests and fought againsit Vietnam to defend their sphere of influence in Cambodia. It's not unlike the US supporting the Taliban when they were fighting the USSR and later outing them from power in Afghanistan when they weren't willing to work with the US government towards eliminating terror groups within the country. My point is enemies can become friends and friends can become enemies as political goals change between one another.

[terse pike]

I do feel this is a commonality that most people in the US and China don't recognize despite our military objectives being similar.

[feral river]

We are fighting together but they are accusing us genocide 😭😭😭 no love anymore 🇨🇳 🇺🇸

[muted patio]

In fact ,i.agree with your point,but i also want to add that there is another infulencial factor to regime like PRC(Before 1980S):IDEOLOGY.If North Vietnam is a Reactionary regime,for example, puppy of Western powers,there will be no Vietnamese War,and PRC wolud not support them so Brother-likely.For that Communist Regimes(I mean those country that have a revolution leaded by communism)Compared to Western countries, it is more ideological，just like Soviet Russia in early 1920s,they have their foreign policies totally based on Marxist theory,but after the failure of Sov-Polish war,they started to focus more on reality.In other words,Most regimes are indeed like this, but for Marxist regimes, foreign policy is the result of the combination of national interests and ideological theory.

[terse pike]

I appreciate the additional context. We usually don't heavily consider ideology when making foreign policy decisions and go mostly off of national interests. This is something I overlooked.

[muted patio]

That's it ,China and US is two Biggest Capitalist Economic Empire over the world ,they.have convergence on maintaining thire ruling classes' interests.I think this is the root

[feral river]

That’s truth

But not imperialism

Chauvinism

[muted patio]

Nowadays,there are many voices both in China and US boasting that there will have a war between these two superpowers.Such voice is horrible,for that war only hurts people,just like they always did.

[feral river]

No such thing in China

Most people care Taiwan reunification more than US-China conflicts

[terse pike]

This was my original point. Most of what was mentioned on the list of examples of US imperialism were not military opperations with an imperialist objective.

[feral river]

We still believe US won’t risk themselves to fight against the second most powerful country and that’s incredible which is ww3

No benefits for both people in both countries

[muted patio]

If everyone could see "imperialism" just from the wprds,that is a horrible failure of ideological branch of Capitalist Regime Mechine

And i found something funny…

That's a little ridiculous

[feral river]

The important article of discussion for education by general secretary Xi jinping.

[lyric idol]

Idk I stopped believing in chinas credibility when my Chinese friend told me that teachers teach Chinese students that every other Asian country culture and people are just Chinese

She kept trying to remind me that Vietnamese doesn’t exist and we’re all just Chinese descendants 😭

[dapper laurel]

This reminds me of what happened in Germany between 1933 and 1945

That is, teachers at school taught German children that all European peoples were of Germanic lineage or descended from Germans

[muted patio]

That's individual viewpoint you know

[feral river]

well if you ever heard of SinoSphere, you will know that, China this word "中国" not only means China but "country of the center of the world."

and the Vietnam "越南" is actually south Viet which is historically part of China after the annexation. but after, they successfully got more autonomy and being independent

about Japan and Korea, the people who living in China moved to the places called Korea and Japan declared themselves as an independent country and nationals then being puppeted by China in history.

[formal pilot]

[feral river]

I would say some places like Xinjiang and Mongol are ethnically independent to the Han Chinese, but they almost all being annexed by Yuan Dynasty and Qing Empire, but like some Stan countries like Tajikstan, Mongolia either Russian Empire annexed our territory or Soviet Union split our territory.

Libai, a famous Chinese poet was born in Suiye, Tang China (now Kyrgyzstan)

even the ruler of Taiwan, Republic of China claimed it succeeded all of the territory of Qing Empire, which included Outer Mongolia.

[dapper laurel]

I'm pretty sure the Japanese are quite distant genetically from the Chinese. The Japanese have had very different migratory influences from the Chinese and over time they have become increasingly different from Chinese. What you said is quite strange; it's like saying that since Europeans have common ancestors, (like the Indo-Europeans) they are all the same... This seems quite propagandistic, don't you think? Furthermore, East Asian people have different facial features and different cultures, you can't just say that they are all Chinese

To give another example, if in Europe there are Germanic people who originated in a certain region of the world, it is not necessarily the case that all Germanic peoples in Europe are the same as Germans or Swedes

This also works for the Slavs, the Mediterraneans and so on

This also works for the peoples of Western Asia

[feral river]

please notice I'm not talking about Japanese are Chinese but they are belongs to the same ethnic group politically if you know the historically and culturally and you are known about both countries which declare themselves "center of the world" even the emperor of the Mongol Empire, Genghis Khan after conquering China, declare himself as emperor of China and becomes a Mongol Chinese.

[livid latch]

https://tenor.com/view/taco-bell-taco-bell-regular-boom-boom-too-much-fire-gif-15295595

[dapper laurel]

This seems Sinocentric to me anyway. We cannot know whether China will one day use these assumptions to invade neighboring countries

[feral river]

you should know one thing, China doesn't really recognize any state culturally, there is no such term called invade by China because Chinese emperor and state declare all of the land belongs to him.

[spice hatch]

I have a serious thing to ask

[feral river]

even the diplomatic of british empire, needed to kneel to see the emperor of China

that actually happened in before

[spice hatch]

I have a crush on someone in the same class with me

I've only recently gotten to know her, and we're not that close yet

And i DMed her to ask that do you want a candy cuz i can give you tomorrow and she said yes

So tomorrow i gotta give her a candy but im shy 😓

And can i not think of other friends' eyes,, they might notice that i like her

Okie

[feral river]

that's why I said culturally

but that's literally our culture.

and till now, China word itself still means "the center of the world."

[dapper laurel]

It's quite worrying, and the problem is that we can't do anything because they are too powerful

[feral river]

I see that's a big issue about the land problem because british india took a part of our land which is the South Tibet.

[dapper laurel]

The Indians have done very well, a country as great as India cannot be tarnished in this way on an international level

India should associate itself with the Western sphere, with us there will be no border problems 😉

[true lark]

Good morning, what's the conversation topic right now?

[dapper laurel]

I know a lot of Indians here, they are good people and deserve respect. You have made the best choice in associating with the Western sphere, you will be prosperous and productive in the near future

[true lark]

This seems like the end of a topic, mind if I ?topic

[feral river]

They can stop caring about that that’s not our problem but if it’s not part of us that’s our problem

This is a big issue ready to solve.

People’s willingness isn’t really powerful and useful when it facing the police, the military, guns, cannons and missiles, everything can be changed because of strength.

If they don’t remember, we can teach them how to remember.

“Dignity only exist on the point of sword, Truth only exist within the attack range of the cannon.”

[dapper laurel]

I think managing a people is one of the most difficult things, will the Taiwanese be considered terrorists like you are doing with the Muslims? You have to give them freedom, they now have their economic system and their wellbeing... Why annex them? Yours is only a political purpose, there are no values ​​in the actions you carry out

An attack on Taiwan is considered an attack on the free world and the West is ready to fight against an army like the Chinese one

[livid latch]

https://tenor.com/view/taco-bell-taco-bell-regular-boom-boom-too-much-fire-gif-15295595

[feral river]

That’s the truth not advocating for war and the democracy you mentioned is literally western democracy values

Even the democratic country has most powerful military, 1st powerful alliance launched numerous war against their enemy 😂 not advocating for war 🤣🤣🤣🤣

That’s pretty ridiculous

[feral river]

I have no idea about upcoming annexation of Taiwan but we can sure that west doesn’t really ready for fight a suicide war with us because we are powerful and Taiwan is Republic of China, part of China which internationally recognized.

Oh really ? Talk about Sikkim

our south Tibet ?

And Pakistan ?

Oh yeah it was not invaded, Xinjiang choose to be part of China

Tibet choose to be part of China

And Taiwan will choose to be part of China

Yeah India after independence I see

Yeah I see we defend ourselves because some countries is clearly gonna thrown our government and invade us

[dapper laurel]

We are spending billions to rearm, plus many young people like me want to enlist

[feral river]

You can do that, and we have trillions to rearm let’s see who’s faster

Which country?

Republic of China ?

[lofty grotto]

Hello

[dapper laurel]

Our soldiers are stronger than yours, I'm not just talking about experience, but we Europeans have war in our blood

[lofty grotto]

What are you talking about?

[feral river]

I see some Americans were kicked ass by PLA in Korean War

And PLA has nothing in that time

[dapper laurel]

I'm not scared of a 160cm tall army 🙏🏻😭

[feral river]

Wait the India invaded our territory, South Tibet, we are fighting a civil war with ROC(Taiwan) and Philippines literally claim our territory as themselves 🤣🤣🤣

That’s really ridiculous

[feral river]

Maybe it’s 180cm tall😂

[dapper laurel]

If you are 180cm tall, we are 200cm tall

[feral river]

I see

Who cares dare you can do that ?

Fighting a suicide war ?

[dapper laurel]

I want to fight this war

[feral river]

You can’t even handle the North Korea

How dare you can fight against the second most powerful country?

[dapper laurel]

Who cares about them, you can't annex a small island btw

[feral river]

Oh really ? That’s see about that

The Chinese reunification

[dapper laurel]

Plus you failed to stand up to the Japanese in World War II, they won tactically against you

[feral river]

I don’t like war totally if they can reunify with us peacefully that’s the best we all want to see

[dapper laurel]

I am willing to go to war for freedom

[feral river]

Oh I see so Japanese lose all of its empire because Second sino-Japanese war and you call we lose 😂

And we emerged as second most powerful country

[dapper laurel]

The Japanese didn't even represent half of your population and they occuped you for a long time, they tactically won and if it wasn't for the USA you would be talking all Japanese

[feral river]

And Japanese declare themselves as emperor of China 🤣🤣🤣

Being assimilated by us like mongols

that's literally another way to expand our territory 🤔 but I don't like it.

[dapper laurel]

It doesn't mean anything, Even our Kaiser proclaimed himself emperor of the African colonies, he didn't assimilate, he just reaffirmed his dominion over certain territories

[dapper laurel]

You have a very distorted way of thinking

[feral river]

that's because our policy allowed to start the progress called assimilate and it was successful in before and now.

[feral river]

that actually happened.

u mean Xi ?

nah

but just not bad

he's terrible about economy only know how to expand our territory

that suckes

well yeah he's son of b reassure the dominant of Chinese and literally expelled some companies because some ridiculous reason

but he's not bad because a lot of problem solved after he's in power

like massive corruption, terror attack against China, and unregulated industries.

I would say he's qualified to be a leader but he doesn't really know how to have a good situation for developing economy or he know it but he focus more than itself.

that's incorrect and you can see it on the west and China both.

massive corruption ended after he's in power.

that's not about corruption but local-protectionism led by local government.

that's completely different.

US even do that.

that's not really corruption

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption

local-protectionism led by local government.

part of local policies by certain provinces.

you can see that western companies usually go Shanghai, Shenzhen not Dalian and Qingdao.

yeah HK riots happened in 2019, Xi solved this problem permanently.

that's one of his predominant contribution

of course it solved has prices, but problem solved.

problem solved, that's the truth.

it has prices like investment went down.

those money doesn't really important than territory integration.

that's the decision made by Xi.

and I agree with that, that's simple.

[jolly agate]

hello

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Hi pepe

[misty shard]

Hi

[iron salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/stmmabel-gif-9098200083215181311

[thorny steeple]

I will have my first university test today.

[misty shard]

Oh good luck on that

[cedar flume]

🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱

[iron salmon]

Good luck bro u can do it

[manic juniper]

Free Western Sahara

[formal pilot]

Free NW Taiwan (china)

[whole beacon]

Free Earth

[bitter jolt]

Free you all

[iron salmon]

Free all universe

[subtle swallow]

Hey

How it's going?

[thorny steeple]

Free Athens

[whole beacon]

Are u Hadiran 😳 ?

[thorny steeple]

No I am Cla cla cla cla udius

The Emperor

[subtle swallow]

Anyone??

[iron salmon]

What is that

https://tenor.com/view/hoblos-uhhh-uhhh-brother-brother-uhh-gif-1627688090339014668

[thorny steeple]

Claudius was a Roman emperor who was a stutterer

This is the reason that I say "Cla cla cla cla claudius"

Hahahah

[iron salmon]

Okk sir Tony ragson

[thorny steeple]

Tony Ragson?

Hahahha

[whole beacon]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAH

Man

[thorny steeple]

HAHAHAHAH

[dapper laurel]

He also had murdered his wife or something like this

[bold seal]

Can anyone help me out some toxic random guy is fighting me on ig notes cuz hes jealous can anyone help me out dms

[formal pilot]

There's no point in arguing with someone who already made his mind to not accept your ideas

[thorny steeple]

He conquered Britain. I suppose he didn't murder Agrippina

Agrippina was murdered by Nero

Claudius also maried a kid

[bold seal]

Im not letting him slide though he just got me being a fatherless child involved just cuz he cant say anything else

He even had a fight with the autistic kid they tried wrestling 🙏😭

[thorny steeple]

That disgusting behaviour was common among nobles at that time

[dapper laurel]

Before Agrippina he had another wife who he murdered

[thorny steeple]

It is said that Agrippina murdered him, instead

So did Augustus' wife, in order to secure the throne to her son, Tiberius. At least this is what speculations say, Augustus' death is kind of suspicious

[formal pilot]

If it's really serious call the cops

Otherwise don't engage with that kind of people

It's just waste of time and energy

[thorny steeple]

It's impossible to beat authistic people when the topic is humanities in general

[bold seal]

💀

[thorny steeple]

Don't get me wrong, at least when it comes Asperger

it wasn't ur child

hehehe

sure

it can be my child

we dk

future doctor*

noooooo
i

fell for ur trap.no way

[peak fiber]

Do you have any opinions on how to talk about the dark (in art, f. e.) side of human kind without triggering people?

[thorny steeple]

they say "children" is another synonym of "stress"

[peak fiber]

Children? Eww, bro, eww.

[thorny steeple]

i want to make a century

[formal pilot]

Make serious chat great again

[thorny steeple]

hehehe

[opaque merlin]

Hiii

Hi 👋 everyone

[bleak harbor]

We wouldn't know they got triggered unless they show us the sign of it (only if we are aware) or even better, if they tell us that it triggered them

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but before her there was Messalina, his third wife who was murdered

[peak fiber]

So, trigger warnings in books? Noticed they are common these days in US, at least.

[bleak harbor]

What do you mean by "they are common these days in the US"? People that got triggered when talking about "dark"?

[peak fiber]

So called trigger warnings are common in the US book market. The buyer of the book is warned on the front page about upcoming themes and/or topics that may be triggering especially for sensitive readers.

[bleak harbor]

Ah, got you. Well if the context when you talk about sort of those things with "sensitive" one but you didn't know it before, they may understand and tell you it triggered them so you will not trigger them next time

[peak fiber]

I mean, looking at some classic works of literature, it can get really dark and disturbing (a bit like my life story...) and I personally wouldn't want to impose that on people who are in it for fun only.

[bleak harbor]

You're talking about it doesn't mean you're doing it just for fun in my opinion

[peak fiber]

Of course not! But people are sensitive and they should know what they're getting into. Nobody knows what the reader/viewer/listener is gonna be triggered about so if it is anything extremely serious, should everything just be labeled beforehand with a warning? How to navigate this?

[high saddle]

Intended for mature audiences - Sensitive topics inside

make the warnings more vague.

[peak fiber]

It is not embedded in our art and literature scene (yet). Maybe it should be.

And even I get triggered when someone casually describe what Nabukov's most famous literary work is about. Just out of the blue.

[high saddle]

all promotional items and covers should have one such rating.
we already have those for movies and all that.

[peak fiber]

Movies, yes, valid point. Age limits.

[high saddle]

the way I detect actual artists of language is when I do not recognize their artistic reference that they very casually mention.

[peak fiber]

That is an elaborative topic.

[formal pilot]

What we discussin

[high saddle]

...and then they initiate discussion, sometimes ignoring their audience's ignorance to the reference.

(not to offend, though I did observe this accidental trend elsewhere)

[peak fiber]

The issue is with the impact of the topic in audiences.

[high saddle]

which your recipient does not know.

[peak fiber]

Last night in general chat.

[high saddle]

whose night, again?

[peak fiber]

Uh. My bad.

[high saddle]

😁
it's fine.

[peak fiber]

Say a TEDx talk if that is a more of a neutral ground: the description and bio of say, a survivor of anything, should be already structured well enough with a warning and sensitivity?

What about improvisation on stage? Turn of a tongue?

In Discord one can still mute/block people blasting unwanted chats but not in reality.

[high saddle]

I need you to clarify if this last reply was

1. explaining your reference;
2. describing your #💭｜general night;
3. about the original topic of warnings;
4. naming the issue as seen in the replied message.

[thorny steeple]

I am looking for foreign friends

[sour glacier]

Does anyone know about the DnD event stuff? I wish there's a event list I can check.
I wanna join someday but I dont know where to start or what are the rules.

[balmy matrix]

isn't dnd a bomb

[sour glacier]

Lol no

[pine flare]

hi

[sour glacier]

It's today's event

[pine flare]

its TNT

[sour glacier]

Dungeons and Dragons roleplaying game

[balmy matrix]

TvT

[pine flare]

[peak fiber]

Too much logical thinking for now... maybe I over generalised. The base line in the quoted reply is valid 1.-2. and 4.

The topic, or 3. was inspired by the points mentioned above. I don't think this clarifies much, I am sorry.

[high saddle]

basically, I do see the point in each of your messages individually, but I cannot link them together. my questions seem to go unanswered.

[peak fiber]

I personally was triggered by people chatting in general about the reference in question. It made me think how that could be avoided from the viewpoint of a reader and also as a creative myself in case my topics are triggering.

I offered a possible solution of triggerer warnings in art as a starting point of a serious chat so therefore I included the reference mentioned in here too.

Sorry, today is not my brightest.

[fluid mantle]

.

[golden pewter]

That point is more serious than all universe

So you make a good point.

[fluid mantle]

I just wanted test my internet 😂

[golden pewter]

I know i know, but still it was good

👍🏻

[quick ember]

off topic , but I want a british person to practice the british accent with , preferable male .

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[fluid mantle]

Thank you

[jolly agate]

Hello human

[prime solar]

hello

[feral river]

Nationalism, racism, sexism

I’m kidding😂

[thorny steeple]

Gayzism

Why male

[spice tusk]

Huh? 😭

[thorny steeple]

Everytime some random person says "hello" in this room and never says anything again.
That's mad

[spice tusk]

lol

[thorny steeple]

Why does he want a male to practice. Is he gay or what

[jolly agate]

That is me

hello

[spice tusk]

Eh, who knows

Maybe

[spice tusk]

Hello

Anyway

[sour glacier]

Hello. Those who attend event classes regularly here in this server, which ones are the best? There's so many to pick from.

[thorny steeple]

ANYONE KNOW JAPANESE

??

[sour glacier]

I'm looking for conversation related class/club, if there is one. I'd appreciate it if anyone can point me where or tell me which teacher/speaker

[spice tusk]

I believe there is one

I’m not entirely sure what it’s called but I’m sure there’s one for conversations

[sour glacier]

Oooh yes that's nice. I'd love to participate in that event

[spice tusk]

Yeah, look through the list of events and see which ones you’re most interested in

[sour glacier]

Oki I'll do that. Thanks

[sour glacier]

Oh you should check out the #1006555275152588901. There should a japanese section

[thorny steeple]

yeahh i found tht

[thorny steeple]

The conquest of Siberia is quite a complex topic

[feral river]

I see they annexed some of our territory like Outer Manchuria through Siberia. 🤔

Tannu tuva, Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria

[thorny steeple]

Why didn't the Manchus claim that territory back as they were the last royal dinasty in China?

[thorny steeple]

Inner Mongolia should be part of Mongolia tho

[feral river]

well for responding that content: Outer Mongolia should be part of People's Republic of China.

[thorny steeple]

Let them live their nomadic way of life, they ain't harming no one

[feral river]

Let texas live their nomadic way of life, Let California live their nomadic way of life, Let northern Ireland live their nomadic way of life LOL

if you ever know, there is a thing called, sovereignty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

[thorny steeple]

Gengis Khan's memory shall be kept alive

[feral river]

yeah after he literally declared himself as emperor of China.

but unfortunately, his empire is gone, half part annexed by Russia, and another half annexed by Qing China

[thorny steeple]

Why does China have sovereignty over outer Mongolia? Is there any hystorical claim?
But my doubt is why it would be important for China

It's not a rich agricultural land, nor a strategic geopolitical position

[feral river]

you won't leave your 100 USD from your wallet right ?

and this land, worth trillions of times than it.

its space, economy, resources, people all important for us.

there is no any useless territory in this planet.

[thorny steeple]

There's a region of Peru wanting to be part of Brazil because Peru's government is neglecting them their rights, yet I reject that because it's an area covered by amazon forest without anything productive, plus people that have nothing to do with our country.

But Mongolia is different...

[feral river]

well, if you think you are not capable to control and develop this part of land, let us buy it.

we have that capable to control almost every land we have, and it's successful

Brazil isn't really a great power or global power in the world.

[thorny steeple]

Nooo
We don't China near Latin America. I appreciate but rn we have several problems regarding criminality and China have the potential to bring some imperialistic troubles with it

[feral river]

so you know how this territory functioning, and any question for China's obsession of outer mongoila ?

[thorny steeple]

Unfortunately.
Brazil needs a political reform with foreign support and a development program

[feral river]

I see, the backyard of the United States needs a betrayal ? maybe not.

but thanks for BRICS.

Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa.

[thorny steeple]

We're not US backyard

[feral river]

🤔

[thorny steeple]

We're just victims of them just like everyone else

[feral river]

I see, but they really dominated this region ?

[thorny steeple]

They backed up loads of dictatorship regimes during the mid of the last century to avoid socialism. Plus we're victims of the dollar as a world currency, we uses to profit a lot with exportations, but right now we're so messed up because of that

Most of our governments in this century were not pro-US, they were leftists

I hope the world changes with China overcoming the US as the greatest world power 🇨🇳

Gn guys
I gotta sleep now

[terse pike]

Yep, we essentially handle any major security issues within the region. Protect vital trade routes, are most countries largest source of foreign investment, and largest trading partner for most countries in Central and South America. Since these are our neighboring countries we will always have to be active in this region.

[thorny steeple]

You ruined our continent with your war on drugs

We do not have major security problems, especially regrading wars, our problems are mostly with criminality and drugs. The US did not help us on that. What did the US to solve problems in El Salvador? I

[terse pike]

Your continent is able to participate in an interconnected global economy thanks to the US. We've made massive investments both from private companies and our government towards economic development in the region. We've also ensured that countries respect each other's sovereignty in the region through our military strength avoiding unnecessary wars throughout South America.

[feral river]

True backyard

[terse pike]

May I ask how are we supposed to help with that? We're happy to assist if a country requests US assistance, but we can't take over the responsibilities of a countries justice system unless we were to invade them. Something not desired by the US or any countries in the region to my knowledge.

[terse pike]

Indeed it is.

[feral river]

I see but why isn’t US annexing more land like Mexico after the annexation of California and Texas ? That’s really weird

If US took over all of the land in America, it will be a super superpower and actually capable to dominate the whole world

[terse pike]

At the end of the Mexican American war we weren't particularly interested in any of the land that was remaining in Mexico. The thinking was that we already got the land we were seeking and we didn't want anymore Americans dying or continue spending money fighting the war. Since they're our neighbors we wanted the peace agreement to be somewhat favorable to them in order to start a path towards friendly relations after the war.

[feral river]

I see

But you guys didn’t really expand that much as you guys do in before

Only took some small islands in pacific, annexing Hawaii

And establish some military bases in other states

[terse pike]

We've never been a particularly imperialist country. The only exception to this is the 1800s when the Manifest Destint movement occurred. The goal of that was to essentially expand US territorial control from the Atlantic to the Pacific. We are interested in mainting our military hegemony for many reasons. This can be achieved through military bases like you said rather than acquiring new territory for the US.

Simply put, Americans don't have a desire nor see a reason to acquire additional territory beyond what we have.

[hushed bear]

Any good counselors there?

[sour marlin]

@formal pilot

Showtime!

[formal pilot]

Lemme find the refrence

[sour marlin]

[formal pilot]

How's your Arabic?? Or should I give you English translation?