🧠｜serious-chat

[dapper laurel]

Someone mentioned San Marino??!??!

[cedar oar]

Andorra.

[dapper laurel]

One of the oldest republics in the world

[manic juniper]

Would be great if they had one party without pedophilia

[cedar oar]

This will definitely not be controversial and incite a heated discussion

[safe crescent]

Where lil Aladin

[dapper laurel]

However, I just discovered that my family has a long military history, at least one of my relatives from each respective generation served in the military

[thorny steeple]

What country?

[cedar oar]

Germany probably

[dapper laurel]

I'm half Italian and half German

[void galleon]

Stop Squabbling

[cedar oar]

I thought you were fully German

[dapper laurel]

Nah, I'm mixed

[cedar oar]

Well, I think we all are to an extent

Who knows, I might be 0.0000000001% Jewish?

[dapper laurel]

Maybe

I got like 5%

[manic juniper]

My great grandfather from my mother's side was an axolotl

[dapper laurel]

According to myheritage DNA test

[cedar oar]

Me great grandfather¹⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰⁰ was a singular cell

[cedar oar]

Very trustworthy, I reckon

[manic juniper]

It doesn't account for my amphisbaenian ancestry tho

[cedar oar]

This seems a little fishy

[manic juniper]

But maybe it's because my quadrillionth half cousin was adopted

[dapper laurel]

I think you are Finnish

[cedar oar]

Yeah, might be

[thorny steeple]

Those tests seem very odd in Brazil
We are all like a bit indigenous a bit black a bit black

[dapper laurel]

I once went to Helsinki

[manic juniper]

Disgusting

I hope the sentence ends there without further developments

[dapper laurel]

I found it wonderful

[manic juniper]

I also enjoy leaving Helsinki

[thorny steeple]

It's hard to know if our ancestor from 500 years ago were in Europe, Africa, Asia,

[manic juniper]

Or at least being aware that I'm only temporarily staying there

[dapper laurel]

I went to a large library, it seemed very comfortable and everything was free

[cedar oar]

We are all definitely at least 0.0000000000000000000000000000000001% African

[onyx hazel]

He thinks in Chinese, Idk Chinese

[quaint trench]

bruh

[dapper laurel]

I believe I have ancestors from the steppes, Hunter gatherers

[thorny steeple]

If we count our ancertosts since the ancient times, it might not be

[cedar oar]

Whatever he may think, you cannot slander the truth like this! The CCP is obviously ran for the people of China, and thus the name People's Republic of China. All hail the CCP!

[cedar oar]

I believe I have ancestors from before that, who were literal fish

[thorny steeple]

What's your haplogroup? Anyway, most Northern Europe carry that steep ancetry

Descendants from the Yamnaya

[manic juniper]

I thought northern Europe had the most diverse dominant haplogroups

[onyx hazel]

True, 我忘记了那个朋友

[cedar oar]

Come on, @onyx hazel, liberal, reply

[dapper laurel]

R1a

[quaint trench]

what are you discussing ?

[onyx hazel]

my phone is bad

[cedar oar]

True. Also hail Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism, Tankieism as well!

[cedar oar]

Fair enough

[dapper laurel]

I don't know if it's related to the steppe people, but I think so

[cedar oar]

Aren't we all at least a bit related to each other?

[sturdy idol]

when I play the game and Being arrested the captured character says What, you ran out of donuts? what does it mean

help me answer this pls

[cedar oar]

@grave temple, I baited a tankie by the way

[dapper laurel]

Yes, but only to a small extent

[manic juniper]

I guess it's because cops stereotypically don't do their jobs unless they run out of donuts

[cedar oar]

Yes. So, everyone, I have an announcement to make. You are now all my brothers or sisters

[dapper laurel]

So we were all born from incest?

[sturdy idol]

Thank you

[manic juniper]

At some point yes, some more than others

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-walter-white-breaking-bad-falling-gif-25642150

[manic juniper]

There are 36 hereditary illnesses related to being Finnish

[cedar oar]

Can we end nationalism now?

[manic juniper]

No, I'll always be a xenonationalist

[cedar oar]

A left-winged xenonationalist??!?!

[peak fiber]

Uh huh

[manic juniper]

It's true https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_heritage_disease
At least to an extent

[peak fiber]

I've heard of couples born in the same village who take blood tests to decide if they should have children or not for potentially heightened heritary disease risk. So, faxx but brother, eww.

Only in Finland 👀

[thorny steeple]

They do,
But R1A and R1B are more associated with them. But it can through mutations throughout time. Not to have them doesn't mean you're not of Steep ancestry

[manic juniper]

Probably much worse in Iceland but they are less diverse so they didn't develop all these defects

[manic juniper]

These lactose intolerance map always weirded me out, they represent much of the world as very intolerant to lactose

[wispy escarp]

Do you know why we are lactose tolerant?

[thorny steeple]

In Brazil, it is said that half of us have a tendency to it, yet we don't see it in real life

[manic juniper]

There is no way that many people are intolerant in the Balkans, Russia, Turkey or southern Italy

[thorny steeple]

It is said that the Yamnaya carried those lactose tolerant genes. The other part consists on how much people relied on milk in the past. (Remember that this kind of theory is kind of complex, points of view may vary, but I like this explanation)

[wispy escarp]

This is because during famines, people drank a lot of milk to survive, so tolerant people survived better and reproduced

It is natural selection that has done its work

[thorny steeple]

That's what I wrote

[wispy escarp]

I just wanted to add famine to your point

But I agree with you

[thorny steeple]

So does Latin America, that's absurd

But it doesn't mean that the Northern European part being more tolerant is wrong

Why do Muslims have this tradition?

[manic juniper]

There is something weird with the calculations

We'd need to see the countries in white, some of those are Christian majority

[thorny steeple]

YEA, with one book

The book is... Menexenus from Plato

If u read the Menexenus u can´t be nationalist

But for that u first need the context with "History of the Peloponnesian War" from Thucydides

[manic juniper]

I've read about sauropsids and it was enough to turn me into a xenonationalist

[thorny steeple]

What is that

[manic juniper]

Reptiles

I believe that their nation shall rule the Earth and the rest of the universe with iron claws

[thorny steeple]

Hmmm tell me about them and why now u are "xenonationalist" for that

[thorny steeple]

What

[manic juniper]

Their achievements and contributions are undeniable, our planet was going through a golden age during the Mesozoic when they were at their peak of diversity

A very productive biosphere compared to how it is today

[thorny steeple]

I've seen many people associating Islam with consanguineous marriage, it's quite common to see married cousins among them

Also most of those countries in white used to be European colonies for the last few centuries, many of them were removed to other countries to become slaves

[manic juniper]

Could be, but it seems high even in Turkey where most people don't follow Islam that strictly

[thorny steeple]

Well, they used to follow until Ataturk turn Turkey into a secular country

[manic juniper]

It's lower in Morocco and Egypt where people care about traditions way more than in Turkey

[thorny steeple]

What´s your opinion about Ataturk-?

[manic juniper]

Very based guy

Kind of a shame modern Turkey isn't really how he envisioned it I guess

[thorny steeple]

Yea I think the same

[thorny steeple]

Are you Polish by any chance?

[thorny steeple]

No, why?

guess

Phenotype

[thorny steeple]

You look Slavic, but reading your bio I think you might be Spanish, maybe Aragonese?

Yea

From Spain

What province?

The North

Are u spanish?

[manic juniper]

He doesn't look Slavic to me tbh

[thorny steeple]

Yea bcs I am not

[manic juniper]

One of the few Spaniards I know looks like you but different hair colour

[thorny steeple]

Yea here in the Spain the people is different, but bcs my ancestors are from Scotland

[manic juniper]

Ah the most ginger country in the world, did you get that from there?

[thorny steeple]

Yea probably hahahaa

I am half from Spain and half from Scotland so probably it´s because my Scottish ancestors, yea

[thorny steeple]

Average Polish

[manic juniper]

He has very different eyes and the face shape is somewhat too angular rather than rounded at least to me, I know a Polish actor with his face shape

He looks British/French/Spaniard/Portuguese and it makes sense since he is at least two of those and Portugueses are very similar to Spaniards

Nvm he looks exaggerated

[thorny steeple]

the new game, what is my phenotype hahahahah

Well I have a Polish friends who looks like him. I gotta confess I got that impression from there

[manic juniper]

I can see that

[thorny steeple]

I might find a picture of him, If I do, I'll send here later

[manic juniper]

The thing that makes me recognise Slavs quite easily is how much fat they have around the eyes, especially on the upper part

We also have that but our eyes often are tilted

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from Isfrun?

[manic juniper]

Finland

[latent forge]

Hi!

Can I play?

[latent forge]

Jewish?

[thorny steeple]

HHAAHAHAH

[thorny steeple]

If he's Jewish, probably some ancestors of him were expelled from Spain or had to change their surnames

Lol I have a strong problem with typos damn

[thorny steeple]

There are jews in Latan that don't even know they are Jewish because of the persecution they suffered in Iberia

[latent forge]

Exactly

But he seems like a crackhead, i think

[thorny steeple]

MIGUEL vete a la mierda

HAHAHSASHHA

[latent forge]

What?? I dont understand brooo

R u high inoff?

[thorny steeple]

Yea yea, don´t lie

[manic juniper]

My family was expelled but we aren't Jewish

[thorny steeple]

It means like f*** yourself

[thorny steeple]

From Spain? Why?

Unless your family was communist under the Franco regime,

[manic juniper]

No, from Russia

[thorny steeple]

Someone might have opposed communism here

Or were American spies

This is the only place where I can actually have decent debates in internet
Reddit is filled with soy pedantic boys
Twitter is gay
Youtube is stupid
Not to mention that internet debates are mainly made by white supremacists, which drifts me apart of it

[grave temple]

discord aint the place either 🙏

[manic juniper]

What about reptile supremacists, they're increasingly more common as of late

[thorny steeple]

Shall you elaborate more

[manic juniper]

People that promote reptiles in all their shapes and diversity and consider them to be superior, especially compared to mammals

[thorny steeple]

I have to read the book that you recommended me

[vapid hare]

Mark zuckerberg?

[thorny steeple]

I suspect Putin might one of them tho

[manic juniper]

Kaunas 😩

[clever mason]

si

[onyx hazel]

kkkkkkkkk

[thorny steeple]

omori

[onyx hazel]

omori??

[steel wave]

omori

[thorny steeple]

yes? haven't heard about it before?

[thorny steeple]

paimon

my emergency food

[onyx hazel]

Yes

Basil's pfp

[thorny steeple]

have you played the game?

I've not

[onyx hazel]

Yes I did

It's a very long game

[thorny steeple]

what is storyline

oh

[onyx hazel]

If I'm not mistaken you have 27 hours of gameplay

in the game

[thorny steeple]

uh

you are mistaken

me? have 27 hours of gameplay?

[onyx hazel]

Would it be a spoiler if I tell you?

[thorny steeple]

i love spoilers

[onyx hazel]

Oh no, I meant that the player needs 27 hours of gameplay to beat the game

[thorny steeple]

oh

[onyx hazel]

I see

[thorny steeple]

cuz it's too boring to read the whole thing
spoilers r like summaries

[onyx hazel]

Spoiler
||so basically the game is about a boy who pushed his sister down the stairs and then she dies. And the boy have a lof of allucinations of his sister death||

[thorny steeple]

the girl with pink coloured hair?

[onyx hazel]

No, Mari

[thorny steeple]

i see

[onyx hazel]

It's a psychological horror game in a RPG battle game system

[thorny steeple]

rpg

my fav

https://tenor.com/view/pepepower-pepe-cry-pepe-depressed-pepe-pepee-gif-26637275

the boy wants to die, don't ge?

[onyx hazel]

Omori every each second in the game:

[onyx hazel]

Yes ||in the game he feels gulty for his sister death||

[thorny steeple]

then a girl pops up from somewhere and becomes his friend?

[steel wave]

I think nobody's gonna worry abt spoiler

[onyx hazel]

No, The pink hair girl is other person

||The only girl who died was Mari in the game||

[thorny steeple]

there are different endings, I've heard

in some endings,omori just dies

[onyx hazel]

Yes, that's why this game is so good (opinion)

[thorny steeple]

suicides to be precise

cuz of depression

[onyx hazel]

And the story of this game fits in the endings

[thorny steeple]

there is. no android version, right?

[onyx hazel]

Some endings are really sad and weird, that's what makes the game awesome, because it's very well done

[onyx hazel]

Unfortunately no, just computer on steam

[thorny steeple]

oh

unfortunately

[onyx hazel]

But I think it's because the game is very heavy for cellphone

It's a very large game

[thorny steeple]

genshin is even heavy

i still play it on my phone

[onyx hazel]

Yeah, that's something that I don't understand why there's no Omori for Android

And I thought you were using Basil's pfp too, it's very similar to one that I saw

[thorny steeple]

oh

lol

her hairstyle is cute ngl

[onyx hazel]

fr, it's my favorite character

[thorny steeple]

and the flower

[sacred furnace]

Is there someone here i can practice speaking english with?

[feral river]

why it's not the Elon Musk

[thorny steeple]

elon Zuckerberg

[feral river]

Bill Zuckerberg

Donald Zuckerberg

[thorny steeple]

Donald Bill Zuckermelon

[feral river]

Donald B. Zuckermelon

that will be my kid's name

💀

[thorny steeple]

lmho

[thorny steeple]

so i just named ur future kid's name?

💀🫡

[rose eagle]

Elon Sus

[frail loom]

hlo

[earnest junco]

I would like to learn spanish, I'm more or less capable of expressing myself, but a conversation in Spanish would help

And I would also love to talk about philosophy, but I haven't found anyone who reads philosophy here

[thorny steeple]

Me

[thorny steeple]

Karim Zuckerberg

[tranquil shell]

Prota I like philosophy

I had talked with many people who have interest in philosophy

[thorny steeple]

what is your philosophy

[tranquil shell]

My philosophy?🤣

[thorny steeple]

yeah

gimmy one sentense in philosophy

[thorny steeple]

Plato > Other philosophers

This is my philosophy

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-gif-20772593

[cedar oar]

Most of our philosophies:

[thorny steeple]

Yep, that's why I love philosophy

[thorny steeple]

I used Plato to explain why God exists to this guy another day and he didn't like that

[thorny steeple]

Are u catholic?

I love Saint Augustine too

[thorny steeple]

I haven't converted yet

.

.

[thorny steeple]

I recommend u the "Confessions" from Saint Augustine. (Btw In my case I am skeptycal)

[thorny steeple]

Ok let me read that

[thorny steeple]

Hmm I have a problem with that, I think that Plato does not have a system, u know? If u read the dialogues from Plato u can see that it's very difficult to say "here is the Theory of Forms"

But yep if u are neoplatonic, u can say that

But Neoplatonism is not Plato

This is my point

[thorny steeple]

He was idealistic, his philosophy does have a "base" and his ideas are fundamented on that.
On The Republic, he explains what I'm saying, that's where I got the idea from

And taking Aristotle's interpretation is another mistake.

[thorny steeple]

Where book VII?

[thorny steeple]

VI and VII

He does explain about "the perfect form" and stuff, and you can get those ideas from there

What does Socrates say? Why does Plato take Socrates as his main interlocutor when he is constantly ironic? Why does Socrates in the Apology, in the Sophist, in the Menon and in other dialogues say that he does not teach anything, why does Socrates change his way of acting depending on who he talks to? Does he talk the same with Menon as with Alcibiades?

[thorny steeple]

Look up what Socrates says and tell me if he in book VI and VII speaks firmly or not about the Idea of good

Socrates only want to educate Glauco and Adimant

[cedar oar]

No, I didn't. I asked for evidence of his existance, not a philosophical lecture

[thorny steeple]

Plato uses Socrates on his dialogues to present his ideas. He writes dialogues because he thinks that an idea can only be presented through a dialect point of view, with some interlocutors trying to debunk the idea until a final idea is reached. That's dialetics.
It's not Socrates, it's Plato. Socrates was his great inspiration. We can fall to sophism if we don't go through a debunking process

No one takes that as Socrates ideas, Socrates did not write anything

[cedar oar]

Brb

[thorny steeple]

Yep and why Plato don't use Socrates in Timeus, in the Laws, in the Parmenides or other dialogues?

[thorny steeple]

U are right, when I say "Socrates" is the character from the dialogues

Because the form from the dialogue it's very important too

[thorny steeple]

That's a tough question, ngl. Maybe because he decided to use another interlocutors instead of Socrates that time (?) but it doesn't change the fact that Plato's ideas was being presented through another interlocutors

Particularly, it's been more than one year since I read Plato

[thorny steeple]

No, this change all hahhaa, and it's a crucial question bcs it's not the same to take Plato like a dialogues with different characters or take Plato with an aristoteles vision and see system in him.

I recommend u Leo Strauss and Emil Bréhier interpretations

Let me one sec

@thorny steeple

[cedar oar]

Back. So more philosophy, huh? @formal pilot will love this

[thorny steeple]

Interesting, can you send me the full article?

[cunning venture]

who pinged me?

[thorny steeple]

Take, it's about Plato's Republic

[opal smelt]

"There’s nothing special about being born. Not a thing. Most of the universe is just death, nothing more. In this universe of ours, the birth of a new life on some corner of our planet is nothing but a tiny, insignificant flash. Death is a normal thing. So why live?"

[earnest junco]

Ok I added you

[dapper laurel]

I hate nihilism

[thorny steeple]

I'm glad that this place exists

[opal smelt]

me too but i i always tend to agree with it somehow 😭

[formal pilot]

Dude wth, yk I hate philosophy

[thorny steeple]

That's the beauty of life that everything is contingent, love, reading, life, work, whatever, everything ends, but if it were infinite, what would be the meaning of life?

[cedar oar]

You obviously love it

[thorny steeple]

or philosophy hates you?

[sour marlin]

" Why live?"
Shall we kill ourselves right after being born

[formal pilot]

[thorny steeple]

Mental illnesses and people who suffer from them are often misunderstood and not cared enough.

[sour marlin]

💀

[sour marlin]

Unfortunately

Yes

[thorny steeple]

true

[formal pilot]

I'm happy with both scenario

[formal pilot]

Wth is mental illness? Just wake early in the morning, everything will be fine

[opal smelt]

im just baffled by how some got the worse in life and some r born rich and had to do nothing and die while the other struggles to live and still die broke. Life is just endless suffering for some people and i dont see any beauty in that

[thorny steeple]

I always do. You think you can bypass medicine with your street-smart attitude?

[formal pilot]

I was being sarcastic

[thorny steeple]

Whatever.

[formal pilot]

I find studying mental illness really fascinating, evolutionary aspect of it to be precise

[thorny steeple]

I want the life before mobile phones existed.

[thorny steeple]

Here in Spain there is a poet who says something very beautiful, “death is the most equalizing thing that exists because it ends with everyone, no matter if they are rich or poor...”. Besides, if a person has had a life full of luxuries, he has more to lose and therefore will suffer more at the end of his life?

[thorny steeple]

Good point.

[earnest junco]

throw yours away and go live with more ppl far away without any phones

[opal smelt]

Yes thats my philosphy too. life is unfair and we are never born equal . We are only equal when it comes to death

[thorny steeple]

It isn't as easy to do as to say.

[thorny steeple]

Right.

[earnest junco]

there are houses being sold for 1€ in Italy

in some villages, repoblate them

repopulate*

[thorny steeple]

"No game no life" is my Philosophy.

[thorny steeple]

But we can be happy having little money, it is neither money nor luxuries that make one happy, in my opinion

I think the best way to be happy it´s go to Philosophy

[thorny steeple]

"you are the game
and life is playing you" my philosophy

[opal smelt]

Great point. Its pretty much the mentality/psychology of an individual when it comes to being mentally stable and happy.

[thorny steeple]

There is so much air in the atmosphere then why do people even have asthma?

[opal smelt]

kinda like Cynicism lol

[thorny steeple]

Not to radical but yeah hahahaa

[thorny steeple]

there is so much happiness then why do people even have sadness

you got my point?

in a nazi camp

[opal smelt]

One must consider Sissyphus happy ig🙃

[thorny steeple]

i remember that too

I think the best way to know how to live and be happy is to read the classical philosophers, Greeks and Romans, especially Plato, Aristotle, Stoics, Epicureans and Cicero as well

[opal smelt]

Allegory of the cave by Plato will always blow my mind

[thorny steeple]

It´s good too

[thorny steeple]

"books r the only true friends of a human"

[thorny steeple]

Same

I am platonic, it´s my fav philosopher

plate

[opal smelt]

it is so mind blowing theoritically and so true and applicable pracically too. like its happening every single day with people

[earnest junco]

💯 💯 💯

[opal smelt]

from the Gallileo to the Copernicus

[thorny steeple]

Idk but "why don't we read those great citizens we have in our libraries?" said Thoreau, an American philosopher, and he is right, I recommed u guys read "Walden" from him, Henry David Thoreau

It´s brilliant

[pine flare]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

there are ppl better than him ,but maybe as they said the repeat itself

[opal smelt]

@thorny steeple have u read Pessoa's books

[thorny steeple]

He was a teacher u know hahaha

[thorny steeple]

Yep a little

[thorny steeple]

Not for me but yep

[earnest junco]

Heyy we are talking about philosophers, specially ancient greek's

[opal smelt]

the only nihilist i agree with

[pine flare]

Oh i see

[thorny steeple]

Do u like poems gyeong?

u mean foucs

[opal smelt]

Everything is a copy of copies

[opal smelt]

i do but im have to go deeper

[earnest junco]

are you interested in philosophy? they are mentioning authors I havenn't read yet so I'm a bit lost here hahah

[thorny steeple]

i get you

[thorny steeple]

https://allpoetry.com/The-Coplas-on-the-Death-of-His-Father

[thorny steeple]

It is by a Spanish poet, Manrique, from the 15th century, he talk about the death of his father, I love this poem

[patent nimbus]

Wow

[thorny steeple]

it is near of Asceticism
?

[pine flare]

Not really

[earnest junco]

what are your interests then?

[thorny steeple]

okk

so you take your action seriouse

[opal smelt]

Behold what miserable prize—
What futile task we set upon,
Whilst greed awakes us!
And what a traitor world of lies
Is this, whose very gifts are gone
Ere Death o'ertakes us!

love that

[thorny steeple]

how

[thorny steeple]

Yea me too

I love the whole poem of him

and u say yes if it is fit with your values right ?

[thorny steeple]

Also I like Walt Whitman

And Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise...

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46473/if---

Very stoic

[opal smelt]

its so great ... i didnt catch all the lines but ill prolly read and study it later

[thorny steeple]

So good, And I especially recommend u “Walden”, I think it ´s the best book to learn how to live well and happily, rly i´ts incredible

And if u finish the poem I would like to know your opinion

[thorny steeple]

I bought Meditations but haven't had time to read it

[thorny steeple]

It´s not a bad book but first I would recommend you to read “Enquiridion” by Epictetus

And Seneca too

[thorny steeple]

It's not even a philosophy book, Marcus Aurelius was just a follower of that philosophy

"Letters to Lucilius"

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[thorny steeple]

Did you know that he was the tutor of the worst roman emperor ever

[thorny steeple]

Ya ik hahaha but Seneca it´s incredible

Plato also try to teach the Tyrant of Siracusa

But he failed

And Socrates the same with Alcibiades

And he failed too

The problem is not for the philosopher is for the other person

Have you read all that books? I'm not much of a good reader

[thorny steeple]

Yea

I love read books

I do like to read despite not being an avid reader tho

I've read 3 books this year so far

[thorny steeple]

Dw u can train that

[thorny steeple]

Yep

[thorny steeple]

The important thing is not to read many books but to internalize in our "souls" what we read

Try to read Phaedrus

I've read some Plato

But I still have to finish their dialogues

The Republic, Socrates' apology and something else I don't remember

I can recommend u the reading order that I follow in the dialogues if u want

[thorny steeple]

Go on

Let me translate for u

It starts on the left, at the top with the Protagoras and ends at the bottom right with the Crito

[weak geyser]

Tonnnny montana@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

1 Protagoras, 2nd Alcibiades Mayor, 3 Second Alcibiades, Rival Lovers, Hippias Major, Hippias Minor, Ion, Menexenus, Symposium, Lysis, Euthydemus, Laches, Charmides, Gorgias, Theages, Meno, Clitophon, Republic, Timeus, Critias, Philebus, Phaedro, Parmenides, Cratylus, Theaetetus, Euthypro, Sofist, Politic, Apology, Hipparchus, Minos, Laws, Epinomis and Phaedo...

This is the order

[thorny steeple]

Heyy

[thorny steeple]

And Plato's letters are read in the middle of the Republic between book V and VI

This order is by William Altman, an interpreter of the dialogues

[thorny steeple]

I know some Spanish bro,

I appreciate it, thanks

[thorny steeple]

I have corrected it, 6 dialogues were missing

[thorny steeple]

It´s ok for mee

[thorny steeple]

fck I didn´t know that

My NL is portuguese

[earnest junco]

I follow exactly the same order!!! William ALtman right??

[thorny steeple]

It sounds the same most times

[thorny steeple]

Vete a la mierda hahaha

[thorny steeple]

Oh I see

[earnest junco]

Eso no es muy platonico....

[jade knot]

@keen needle انا محترمك ليش بندتيني ؟ او ايش ثاني اشي انا مسبيت و الغل مش عيب ، و انت ابتحكي على اساس اني 70 سنة انا ١٧

[thorny steeple]

We need a # ⚽ | sports for us to talk about football

[jade knot]

can you help me?

[thorny steeple]

tell me

[jade knot]

thanks ❤️, I do it

[fossil rune]

Hi community. I've been practicing English here with the community for a long time, but I prefer direct messages to 1:1 conversations ✅ . I'm not a teacher, but I can talk with people from any level of English to practice my skills. If you are interested, please send me a direct message ✅ and I will do my best to have a good conversation. 🙂 Have a good day.

[floral acorn]

hello guyss

I'm new here

[earnest junco]

What team do you support?

[thorny steeple]

Arsenal

You?

[earnest junco]

I support a spanish team, do you follow la liga?

[thorny steeple]

ok

[dapper laurel]

Do you support RM?

[earnest junco]

Noo, do you?

[dapper laurel]

Nah, I follow Serie A and Bundes

And both teams I follow suck

But they have a great history

[earnest junco]

HAHAHAH, what teams are you talking about? I support Real Betis Balompié, do you know it?

[dapper laurel]

I'm talking about Schalke 04 and Salernitana

[dapper laurel]

No, I don't know this team

[earnest junco]

Well it has a very important match on sunday. It's called "el gran derbi" bc its the most important derbi in spain and one of the most important matches each season, You should watch it!

[opal smelt]

Bayern Munich>>>

[dapper laurel]

Is it the derby of Seville?

[earnest junco]

Yeah! Betis vs Seville

[dapper laurel]

They took Kane's curse

[dapper laurel]

I'll support you guys, I'll never forget the stolen match Seville Vs Roma

[opal smelt]

you can take the man out of Spurs but not the spurs out the man ig 😔

[earnest junco]

We neither! We were mad at them for winning like that

[dapper laurel]

@cedar oar

[opal smelt]

damn 😭😔

[cedar oar]

Except that the above isn't communist, but a Marxist-Leninist inspired monarchy

[opal smelt]

our small brothers

[dapper laurel]

They are de jure a family-run communist dictatorial regime

[dapper laurel]

Are you Chinese?

[cedar oar]

They are self proclaimed communists, but not in reality. To even be communist, a government must not exist. They are like I said, Marxist-Leninist inspired Cold War authoritarian monarchists

[opal smelt]

korean

[cedar oar]

The real Korea (south)

[dapper laurel]

every country that claims to be communist is never de facto a communist country 😂 common communism L

[cedar oar]

To be a country, they must have a government, which communism does not have

[opal smelt]

yup

[pine flare]

Hi

[cedar oar]

But not really an L to be honest, the idea of it isn't bad, but like anarchism, it's too idealist

[opal smelt]

communism only works in theory

[cedar oar]

Worked for hunter-gatherers

The glorious People's Rock and Stone Party

[dapper laurel]

The thing that struck me a lot about Koreans is that you don't say you are "South" Korean or "North" Korean, you say you are Korean, this is a beautiful demonstration of a sense of identity and belonging, I envy this attitude of yours and I wish it was there in my region of the world too

[cedar oar]

I wish we could all call eachother humans instead of reffering to eachother by nationality

Brb

[opal smelt]

we are brothers. alot of families seperated during Korean war. Its just the stupid dictator that is making all this drama. We'll always consider them our brothers and sisters🥂

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately I don't have these values, I live in an extremely conservative family 😞

[cedar oar]

Back

[cedar oar]

Those aren't really values though, they're facts. And brb again

[thorny steeple]

Being so much ugly is a social disability. Try to debunk me

[thorny steeple]

My ancestors used to be Western Hunter-Gatherers until Early Analotian Farmers come to replace them

[thorny steeple]

Why?

Explain more if u want

[thorny steeple]

Because admiring beautiness is part of the human nature. Ancient Greeks talked a lot about that, they used say that your soul is aligned with your physical appearence, and that the greatest human activities were inheretly connected to how good you look.
In modern societies it's been said that beautiness is a social construct. This is partialy true... My point is that beautiful people will always be regarded with social privileges, such as getting the best jobs easier and having the power to manipulate others. In Ancient Greece, there was a case where a woman was accused of a crime... When the jury saw her face, he said "someone beautiful like that would never commit any crime"
Ugly people will always fall behind, and if you're ugly with no social skills, you'll have as much social troubles as someone with a disability would have

[unreal sky]

hello

[thorny steeple]

Socrates was a very ugly man but his soul was beautiful, that is what is important mate

And he was the most important man in Athens

[thorny steeple]

Hey!

I have many troubles with my appearence ngl

[thorny steeple]

Yep¿? For u, what is the most important thing in life?

[thorny steeple]

First: my family
Second: money
Third: friends
Fourth: not to be stupid

[thorny steeple]

Do u have all those things?

I think the most important thing it´s the knowledge

Because with that u can do many things

[grave temple]

Knowledge is useless in our ever evolving world

[thorny steeple]

How do u know this?

[grave temple]

I know many people who are academically gifted but can't point Israel or Ukraine on a map

Nevertheless, they have a brighter future than history weebs

[thorny steeple]

With knowledge u can know this

[grave temple]

Yeah, and?

What does knowledge bring to the table?

Yes its useful for your critical thinking and etc...

But nowadays people just care about grades, looks, social-economic backgrounds

Not knowledge. Nobody cares if you can recite medieval history or how does a modern main battle tank works

[onyx hazel]

Original image

[thorny steeple]

I don't care what others think, I care about what knowledge offers me to live a good life

[dapper laurel]

It's just no

North Koreans don't even have the money to afford electricity

[grave temple]

Crazy these tankies are always in denial

[grave temple]

Well sorry to break it to you, some will live better than you with less knowledge

And having knowledge doesn't mean you will live a good life

[thorny steeple]

For me, reading Plato and his books of 2400 years ago have made me change for the better, even if people say that it might be silly to read Plato

[thorny steeple]

U only know that with knowledge

Idk, probably yes

[grave temple]

Please link the following image.

[grave temple]

Come one @dapper laurel you can do better

There are tons of better images than that

This is a pretty good article showing the difference between the two countries: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/pages/article/140226-north-korea-satellite-photos-darkness-energy

[dapper laurel]

It depends on what you mean by happiness, unfortunately it is a very subjective feeling and is part of human nature, so I would say that everyone can be happy in their own way in any way, for me there are no shades of happiness. Without a doubt, knowledge leads to asking questions that sometimes haunt the human soul, but at the same time knowledge can make you a happy person if you know how to use it correctly. Knowledge is the means to success, success generally makes you happy. This does not apply to all educated people, but happiness certainly cannot be a typical emotion for the majority part of the people who are not educated. In today's world, culture and education allow you to climb the social ladder and make you happy

So the statement you said at the beginning is meaningless

[grave temple]

Sure thats your opinion, but in the country I live in, some people with college degrees can't even find a job.

The statement I've said is an opinion, and yours too.

Nothing is meaningless, everything has a meaning.

[dapper laurel]

Where are you from?

[onyx hazel]

The original image that I provide is also from NASA, officially in a book called "A Country of Cities". It was taken by NASA, but they changed

[grave temple]

I'd rather not disclose that. I don't feel confortable sharing my personal information to strangers.

[steel wave]

Go watch Squid Game

and take ur conclusions

[grave temple]

I don't know if you pulled that title out of you buttocks, but it doesn't exist

[onyx hazel]

Are you sure?
https://www.amazon.com/Country-Cities-Manifesto-Urban-America/dp/1935202170

[cedar oar]

I'm not going to watch a show to decide which Korea is less terrible

[grave temple]

Is this by NASA

It talks about urban America

[onyx hazel]

The image, not the book

[lyric idol]

The one with the president

[grave temple]

Nothing about space or astrology

[onyx hazel]

The image that is in the book was taken by NASA

[cedar oar]

The one with the glorious supreme leader elected by the people's will of course!

[grave temple]

Well thats mighty useful

[lyric idol]

Serious chat so serious

[dapper laurel]

After watching it I can say that North Korea is much better 💀

[grave temple]

I dont see how an image of the Korean penusula has anything to do with America's urban developpment

[onyx hazel]

I'm just talking about the image that is in the book, that was taken by NASA

[grave temple]

Its still not a source broddie

[cedar oar]

I smell sarcasm from 50 miles away

[lyric idol]

We should all pull a prank on Kim. What if everyone with a nuke just all nukes him at one time ? 😌😌😌

[grave temple]

The image itself wasn't taken from a book, NASA took it itself using a satelite

[onyx hazel]

It's basically the same source that you sent, but your source is changed

[grave temple]

Regardless if it is in the book, citing a book as an image source isn't an image source

[grave temple]

No it's not my source is National Geography, source NASA and by NASA JOHNSON SPACE CENTER

[cedar oar]

Every 60 seconds, a minute passes in Africa

[grave temple]

Yours is an entire book

[lyric idol]

I love afria 😌

[dapper laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/african-kid-africa-grand-m-eat-smile-gif-17321775

[cedar oar]

It's 23:34, of course I'm gonna make typos

[lyric idol]

I never said anything bad 😭

[lyric idol]

You mean it’s 11:34 pm 😌😌😌

[onyx hazel]

Are you serious?

I said that, the image is in the book 🏙️ ➡️ 📖

and the Image was taken by NASA to put in the book. Maybe explaining with emojis can help

[cedar oar]

I just wanted to clarify that just in case you had mal intent with your message

[floral acorn]

yall serious?

[cedar oar]

Burn the heretic!

[grave temple]

Are you serious right now. @cedar oar Is he serious right now

Have you never done a school project in your life?

[onyx hazel]

Something normal in every geography or history book

[lyric idol]

Why when we Americans are sarcastic or joking everyone always thinks it’s a bad thing 😭😭

[onyx hazel]

What does school project have to do with it?

[grave temple]

Citing a book as an image source isn't enough. Broddie never done a project in his life

[cedar oar]

I can't tell. I can say however, that, tankies are gonna tank

[dapper laurel]

I laughed bitterly after this

[grave temple]

Brodie never learned how to properly cite a source in his life

No wonder you are a tankie 💀

[cedar oar]

I don't know, but, I do know that it seemed to make fun of my typo, which to be honest, fair enough

[floral acorn]

how do i make a research guys?

[onyx hazel]

But the image was taken by NASA, can't you understand?

[floral acorn]

I'm solo leveling rn

[cedar oar]

When western propoganda meets itself:

[lyric idol]

National ______ space ______
Help someone fill in the blanks

I totally forgot

[grave temple]

I feel you don't understand. In order to source an image, you need the author, the person, what it was taken from, citing an entire book isn't enough

Plus I don't see how Urban America has that image in it eitherway

I think you don't want to reveal the real source

[dapper laurel]

Propaganda is propaganda, the West is free therefore propaganda for all ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻

[onyx hazel]

The link of the book is right above

[lyric idol]

These are scientists who’ve studied all their lives. Stop being ignorant

[thorny steeple]

I do

[grave temple]

Please don't insult my intelligence

[thorny steeple]

They are just ignorant

[cedar oar]

The People's propoganda! Though to be honest, the west has its shortcomings as well. The Five Eyes especially are a stain on democracy and freedom

[onyx hazel]

Please don't act like an anime character, you're not like them

[grave temple]

I don't see the correlation between urban America and NASA, astrology and space

[thorny steeple]

Knowledge is not objectively important ngl, but it makes you a better person

[cedar oar]

Your Honour, anuthing bad about "communist" states is obviously western propoganda

[thorny steeple]

🤣

[onyx hazel]

The image has

[thorny steeple]

Wrong quote my bro

[grave temple]

Please stop worshiping failed communist states 🙏

[cedar oar]

What. Guy, are you being serious right now?

[lyric idol]

Scientists deniers are absolutely much more worse than religious people. If you’re literally so stupid that you believe scientists (the ones who’ve gone to school for 8+ years and do ongoing studies and research) are just propaganda machines maybe you should really think about the knowledge you currently possess

[onyx hazel]

Here I have to agree, communism doesn't exist, socialism does

This is your knowledge

[thorny steeple]

Bro get a job, u spend 8 hours a day on Disckrd

[dapper laurel]

My honor, it was Western propaganda ☝🏻

[cedar oar]

What does that have to do with anything I said, man

[grave temple]

This is a waste of time, never thought finding a source for a single image would be this hard.

[thorny steeple]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[lyric idol]

Talking about how nasa is just western propaganda

[lyric idol]

Just admit you’re not educated enough to join in on the conversation

[onyx hazel]

I understand, politics isn't easy, but googling isn't that hard

[cedar oar]

Ah, man, I didn't notice the truth until you said it. It's currently 23:43 after all, so don't blame me for not getting the obvious truth

[dapper laurel]

Pal, I think bro was hilarious

[thorny steeple]

Marxist communism will never be reached, accept that

[thorny steeple]

I join loads of discussions here, more than you

[onyx hazel]

Read this

[lyric idol]

You’d think they’d study the truth for 8+ years and do research just to lie to you? 😭

[lyric idol]

Maybe you’re the one that should find a job

[thorny steeple]

Just scroll up and debate w me

[thorny steeple]

Communism never worked mate

[thorny steeple]

I work in a metalworking office during the day and study at night 💀

[cedar oar]

Yes. Some might, but most won't, because it's stupid to do so. But like I said, it's late, so don't blame me for any blasphemies I commit

[dapper laurel]

And it will never work

[thorny steeple]

I use this in my spare time

[cedar oar]

It worked for hunter-gatherers

[lyric idol]

“Metalworking office” wym by that like construction office ?

[thorny steeple]

We actually don't know

[lyric idol]

Okay 😌 it’s fine

[cedar oar]

I know. Anyway. All hail Xi!

[dapper laurel]

Every state that is "communist" today has adopted some type of liberal economy

[thorny steeple]

Metalwork shop, it has many names

[lyric idol]

Vietnam

[thorny steeple]

Elaborate

[thorny steeple]

Even China

[dapper laurel]

I think "Heil" is the correct pronunciation

[cedar oar]

Guys, I need some laughs. Any good jokes you've got?

[lyric idol]

That’s mmm honest work

[dapper laurel]

Or at least the right way to write it

[cedar oar]

I'm pretty sure that's for German only

[dapper laurel]

It's pronounced "hail" but is better spelled "Heil"

[grave temple]

I know defending a failed state isn't easy, but citing an image that a 6th grader can do isn't that hard

[thorny steeple]

Heil has Hitler vibes, I'd rather not write it this way

[onyx hazel]

Here you just admitted that you don't know what liberalism is

[grave temple]

You are only embrassing yourself

[cedar oar]

In German, I presume

[dapper laurel]

I didn't notice, I'll avoid next time

[dapper laurel]

Ja, that's correct

[onyx hazel]

I don't deny child labour

[lyric idol]

The reason a 6th grader can do it is because scientist publish their findings and work for the public to see. Maybe more countries should get on board

[cedar oar]

Yeah, but not English. Anyway, back on topic. Xi, our supreme great leader, is all worthy of praise ans glory for his heroic and brave actions against the western liberals!

[thorny steeple]

Both words are of Germanic origins, but the german one got a very bad semantic due to its use during the past century

[lyric idol]

Different languages use some of the same words. I thought this was a universally known thing

[cedar oar]

Tankies try not to jump into delusional rabbit holes challange (Impossible)

[dapper laurel]

All communist countries today have given up controlling the economy through forced stages and have progressively liberalized their economies on the Western model

[thorny steeple]

If you're talking about communism, you're right. Go study the differences

[dapper laurel]

It's bad that my country is known in the world only for what happened 80 years ago, we are more than that

[thorny steeple]

No, comapanies in these countries can't do watever they want

[lyric idol]

You guys birthed a pretty monstrous dude

[dapper laurel]

But there are foreign companies, and companies from communist countries may have relations with the outside world

[dapper laurel]

He was Austrian 🥲

[cedar oar]

You beat me to it

[lyric idol]

He spoke German did he not ?😭

[thorny steeple]

But they don't have the same political power as billionaires and the bourgeoisie has in capitalist countries

[cedar oar]

So what? He was nationally Austrian

[lyric idol]

He must’ve been really obsessed with the German features lmao

[cedar oar]

He was so impressed in fact, that he excluded himself from the Aryan race!

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, but he wasn't German btw

[thorny steeple]

Not to mention, U.S make it hard for them to develop

[dapper laurel]

He was part Slavic

[cedar oar]

Is this actually true?

[dapper laurel]

It says in his biography, his mother was Bohemian

[cedar oar]

Man, oh, man wad that 'Dolfy guy such a fool

Bohemians must have been honorary Aryans, I guess

[onyx hazel]

Moral panic is just what they know how to do

[thorny steeple]

Both your countries tho

[dapper laurel]

He despised all Slavs, perhaps he considered the Bohemians close to German culture and assimilable, but not completely Germanic

[lyric idol]

I love how America didn’t care some manic was taking over the world until Japan bombed our base 😭😭 we gave them some freedom 😌😌😌

[dapper laurel]

Yes, Italy has done many things in the Balkans

[cedar oar]

I know that he despised slavs, but the delusional loop holes in his ideology are apparent even to a 5 year old

[thorny steeple]

Slavs were regarded as "low arians" but Hitler depicted them as "subhumans" and stuff, though they are close to Germanics genetically wise

[thorny steeple]

Mussolini isn't portrayed as a typical racist but he also despised Slavs

[dapper laurel]

At the time genetics were not known, they preferred to see the shape of the skull and the somatic features, for them this was the "race"

[dapper laurel]

Not many people know this, but the Italians also had concentration camps on the Dalmatian coast

[thorny steeple]

Hitler prefered native americans than slavs, Nazis also made paintings about that. It has something to do with Native Americans being Asians as well as Northern Europeans

[dapper laurel]

In the end it was just propaganda, he needed slaves for his new living space

[thorny steeple]

Hitler also wanted to take people off their properties in Eastern Europe to help his funders and give that to them

Anyway F*** both hitler and mussolini, may they burn in hell

[thorny steeple]

He was an 'apátrida' (it's hard to translate it). But he was born and brought up in a country with a catholic and monarchist tradition just to spend the rest of his life pretending to be German. He also used to be catholic, but he seemed to have abandomned his religion due to his fellow nazi partners, which were also not much Christians

[dapper laurel]

Deep down he thought that Christianity was for the weak, that it was not a religion for conquerors. He was ridiculous.

[thorny steeple]

In the end Nazis are just gay pagans

[dapper laurel]

He only claimed to be Christian for political propaganda, but the regions of Germany with a Catholic majority had understood his double game, in those regions he received few votes

[thorny steeple]

U mean Bavaria and Baden Wurttemberg

[dapper laurel]

Essentially yes, but also the Rhineland

[strong socket]

Hi

[grave temple]

Please try to know what was the topic before jumping to conclusions.

These tankies bro

[main ruin]

any americans around?

[errant stump]

Huh

[shut iris]

They’re everywhere, you just gotta look harder.

[main ruin]

just want someone to judge my pronunciation on a dialogue

[shut iris]

Feel free to send a recording in #🗒｜pronunciation, you will be judged there by natives

I may also judge you

[main ruin]

that's the dream 😊

[gaunt bronze]

Tbh, it wasn't just Germany's fault. 😭

The Treaty of Versailles and the Paris Peace Conferences, I'd argue, contributed more to WWII.

[prisma cipher]

Because what happened 80 years ago it overshadows everything else. my grandmother could never throw away even rotting food because they were starving. You don't understand what are you talking about.

[pine flare]

Hi

[pallid dust]

Who knows about the global crisis in 2008

[rose eagle]

🫨

[feral river]

scientific racism

without any bias and political true emotions, some races actually have advantages and functionally above others.

even I'm not the race that having a nice function than africans.

I know that's the political true of the most of western countries, just like Taiwan issue in China, so I said without any political true emotions, don't accuse me.

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-saul-goodman-lawyer-attorney-inside-the-court-gif-17518658

Source?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

I think that's all enough

[cedar oar]

But, Your Honour, I thought Wikipedia was western propoganda

[feral river]

I will say nice propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_democratic_dictatorship

[cedar oar]

Here's lesser nice propoganda:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

[feral river]

👍 that's truth and based on western views.

how about this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Dream

[cedar oar]

I don't think supressing people's religion can be true or false. It's simply true that it's happening

[feral river]

they are not suppressing religion

[cedar oar]

American dream without the housing crisis

[cedar oar]

The article says they are

[feral river]

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/中華人民共和國法律?wprov=sfti1

then how about this one 😂

They are contradicting each other

[cedar oar]

I can't read Chinese

[feral river]

Oh

It has English version I guess

[cedar oar]

What's the name of the article though?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China?wprov=sfti1

You know what

Based on different language the content of an article is also different

[cedar oar]

Exhibit A:

This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed.
Find sources: "Law of the People's Republic of China" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR

Exhibit B:

This article needs to be updated. The reason given is: especially "History" section. Please help update this to reflect recent events or newly available information.

[feral river]

That’s not my problem😂

[cedar oar]

But even if it does guarantee them that right, it doesn't mean it has to exercise them. I mean, North Korea is democratic in its name

[cedar oar]

No, but it's a problem for the debate

[feral river]

Things are completely different based on your subjective view and opinion

There are no such thing called right or wrong based on this thing, only based on the stances and views

Things are objective

[cedar oar]

No, if you're not letting people practice their religion, that becomes a completely objective fact then

[cedar oar]

I wasn't saying that though

[feral river]

That’s not the objective fact

[cedar oar]

It is

[feral river]

Proof

[cedar oar]

I really don't want to scatter throughout the internet to find sources, but here's the obvious:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China

[feral river]

In 2020, 39 UN member states issued statements to the United Nations Human Rights Council criticizing China's policies, while 45 countries supported China's "deradicalization measures in Xinjiang" and opposed "the politicization of human rights issues and double standards".

That’s from the article you mentioned

[cedar oar]

Yeah, no sheiße they supported it, as it is one of their biggest trading parthner after all, and they cannot change the objective truth like that

[feral river]

How is that an objective truth for you since you have no solid proof ?

You just trust something you want to trust

[cedar oar]

The proof is there

[feral river]

Oh really ? I have no idea

[cedar oar]

No? I simply trust anything that is against the CCP

[feral river]

So subjective

Not bad

[cedar oar]

The things happening aren't though

Brb in 5 hours

[feral river]

The July 2009 Ürümqi riots, which resulted in over one hundred deaths, broke out in response to the Shaoguan incident, a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese factory workers.[66] Following the riots, Uyghur terrorists killed dozens of Han Chinese in coordinated attacks from 2009 to 2016.[67][68] These included the September 2009 Xinjiang unrest,[69] the 2011 Hotan attack,[70] the 2014 Kunming attack,[71] the April 2014 Ürümqi attack,[72] and the May 2014 Ürümqi attack.[73] The attacks were conducted by Uyghur separatists, with some orchestrated by the Turkistan Islamic Party (a UN-designated terrorist organization, formerly called the East Turkistan Islamic Movement).[74]

Impressive

[muted patio]

Everytime i enter the channel ,there is always a debate about PRC

What about other issue such Code Geass

All Hail Lelouch,haha

[cedar oar]

Back

[feral river]

We help them to crack down on terrorists but they accuse us as genocide 😭

No love anymore 😭😭😭😭

[cedar oar]

Impressive what? Yes, the killings weren't justified, and you can imprison terrorists. But the ones that simply protested didn't do anything, nor the ones that actually didn't do anything at all

[cedar oar]

Average #🧠｜serious-chat debate:

[muted patio]

hahahahah

[cedar oar]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

Even bill is lurking here

C'mon, @formal pilot, show yourself

[muted patio]

I m enough for this debate about prc

especially most of them have been debted for uncountable times

[formal pilot]

Dude i don't want to get involved in Chinese politics or philosophy, that's why I'm lurking nowadays

[cedar oar]

You don't have to directly get involved. Simply say, western propoganda

[formal pilot]

Currently I'm reading about the psychology of mass shooters

Lemme finish it first, it'll be a really good topic to discuss

[formal pilot]

That's what I do all the time

[cedar oar]

Guy must be a secret tankie agent

[muted patio]

U mean western propaganda?

[cedar oar]

American schools are really good places to study that topic too!

[formal pilot]

Dayammm

[muted patio]

Hey

[formal pilot]

Yesssir

I love western propaganda

[muted patio]

That is tragedies!

[muted patio]

Huh?

Im appalled

[cedar oar]

Dude, it's freaking awesome. Who doesn't love western propoganda?

[muted patio]

Maybe me.

[formal pilot]

You're missing out for sure

[muted patio]

All of them is involved in capitalist ideology

[cedar oar]

Capitalism sucks, but western propoganda remains awesome as always

[muted patio]

Im sorry ,i don't catch your point

[cedar oar]

Bill, spill it

[muted patio]

What does the word'awesome'means

[formal pilot]

Once a wise man said
If at age 20 you are not a Communist then you have no heart. If at age 30 you are not a Capitalist then you have no brains

[cedar oar]

How do you consider yourself intermediate without knowing that?!

[formal pilot]

I'm the definition of it

[cedar oar]

Did you pull it out of your, uh, how do I put this in EnglishHub?

[formal pilot]

Btw @cedar oar what do you mean by Western propaganda?

[muted patio]

yeah,that is what i want ask

[formal pilot]

Fair enough

Tbh I'm jealous of china

[cedar oar]

Yeah, they have leaders who actually build houses

[formal pilot]

They're doing really good in terms of economy, infrastructure n all

[muted patio]

haha

[cedar oar]

Yes, because the leadership isn't driven by populist idiots

[muted patio]

Although they betrayed their faith of communism

[formal pilot]

Are you a communist?

[cedar oar]

Look at the USA, you get to choose between racist party 1, or the lesser racist party 2 with a sleepy president

[muted patio]

And be a right wing dictatorship

[muted patio]

You can have a guss

[formal pilot]

China with a proper democracy+ human rights>>>> USA

[cedar oar]

Hell yeah

[formal pilot]

I can smell that you're a communist

[muted patio]

Don't define anyone just by still words

[cedar oar]

I smell it too, bill

[formal pilot]

I also used to be one

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-sniffing-spartan370-big-blue-house-gif-22010873

[muted patio]

If someone define me as a communist,that's my honour

[cedar oar]

Me too, when I was 12

But then I realized socialism exists

[formal pilot]

You're still 12

[formal pilot]

Dayamm, that's really great

[cedar oar]

Sorry to bring this up to you, but no

[formal pilot]

Do you think coloney of ants are communist??

[pine flare]

Hi

[formal pilot]

They're so successful

[cedar oar]

No, they a have queen. Overthrow the bourgeoisie!

[formal pilot]

Hey

[muted patio]

And most so called Communist ,in fact ,they do not be a communist from philosophy perspective

[cedar oar]

Most "communists" online are tankies unfortunately

[formal pilot]

What's communism for you in 5 simple terms?

Or points

[cedar oar]

Not really a communist, but 3 does it. I'll wait for him to answer first though

[muted patio]

I want to say there is no real Communist online nowdays

just The part of the left wing in the ideology of the petty bourgeoisie

[cedar oar]

He asked you for what you considered it to be

[feral river]

the one who violated the law of PRC will be punished no exceptions.

[muted patio]

Wait a minute,net wrong

[cedar oar]

Oh, how we have done nothing! Punish me, CCP, for I have broken your law of being Uyhur

[formal pilot]

Go to China and find out

[cedar oar]

Ok

Brb

[formal pilot]

I don't think you will

[cedar oar]

Shut up, it's all western propoganda

[formal pilot]

What's communism for you?

[cedar oar]

A stateless, moneyless, classless society

So basically anarchism but with some red

[muted patio]

That's not a good way of questioning

Any philosophy is a system

You can only get section of it from such ways of questioning

[cedar oar]

Marx said it himself

[muted patio]

Marx is not god of communism

And communism is not another Christian

It is just plain a part of science

[cedar oar]

No, he' not but many communists take a lot of inspiration from him. And, guy, he literally wrote the manifesto along with Friedrick

Actually, I have a better rebuttal

[muted patio]

And that scentence is not for you actually,sorry for my mistake

[cedar oar]

Off to Xingjang!

[cedar oar]

@formal pilot, translate

[muted patio]

So strange words

[muted patio]

I don't get the logic of you to abruptly mention this issue

[formal pilot]

I asked GPT to explain communism like I'm 8 years old in 5 simple points

1. Sharing: Everyone shares their toys and snacks with each other, so no one feels left out or sad.
2. Equality: All the kids are treated the same, no matter what their favorite color is or what games they like to play.
3. No Boss: There's no one kid who decides everything; instead, they all make decisions together about what games to play.
4. Working Together: When they have a class project, everyone works together to make it the best they can.
5. Helping: If someone doesn't have a pencil or a notebook, the others help by giving them what they need.

[muted patio]

For God's sake

You learn communism as eating McDonald

[cedar oar]

I'm parodying tankies, that's the logic

[formal pilot]

Dude I just want to learn i asked you for the basic ideas of communism

So I can see where's your position on spectrum of communism

[muted patio]

I don't think that's meaningful.

Each individual is complex

And anyone can't define he or she just by looking a position in any chart for him

In fact ,reverse from the stereotype,Mao used to be a Anarchists，so do everyone

[dapper laurel]

Brother, I don't know what to tell you, I am ashamed of my country's past

[formal pilot]

I just asked about your idea of communism

[muted patio]

Me?

Marco or microscopic

From which perspective?

[formal pilot]

Gimme the macros

[muted patio]

Wait a minute

[formal pilot]

[muted patio]

Communism, in most cases, refers to Marx's socialist ideology, which is composed of the following parts: dialectical materialism in philosophy and historical materialism in science. This kind of dialectical materialism comes from the continuous development of science and the ideological foundation of predecessors. As for the "genius like work of Marx" often used by Soviet countries in the past, it is just an emotional expression.

And there are remnants

[dapper laurel]

Give some examples

[muted patio]

So, in terms of science, historical materialism has opened up the path of historical science. That is to say, explaining the structure of the entire society based on the material and development of each era (such as how people produce and live) (such as the classic economic foundation superstructure model), even the most vehemently opposed to Marxism must admit that this is a practical theory in this regard

[muted patio]

Furthermore, it should be pointed out that Marxist philosophy is different from any previous philosophical theory. This is clearly reflected in the German Ideology

[muted patio]

In that article, Marx's philosophical ideas matured, he began to draw boundaries with his past self, and began to imply a new philosophy: the philosophy of changing the world. The manifestation of Marxism in politics is based on the two points I just mentioned.

@formal pilot

I can also speak my viewpoint of Marxist politics if you want to hear.

[formal pilot]

I don't understand Dialectical materialism according to this only matter exists, consciousness, ideas aren't real

[muted patio]

oh,may be i can try to explain it

Give me some time

[formal pilot]

Im trying to digest it, I'm not good with English

[formal pilot]

Explain in simple terms

If possible

[formal pilot]

historical materialism focuses primarily on class struggle, neglecting other forms of oppression such as gender, race, and ethnicity, which are equally important in shaping societal dynamics.

[muted patio]

There is an obvious misconception here: it is believed that materialism only focuses on matter, neglects spirit, and even denies the existence of spirit. In fact, his meaning is as follows: in the world, matter exists first with thought. Your shoes are naturally matter, and the particles that scientists have discovered that are invisible to the naked eye are also matter. The content of human thought expression comes entirely from the world of matter. The most prominent opposition to materialism is religion, which claims that the world is created by God or other gods. Is this really the case? Most of the content that is always called out, such as the monsters and ghosts that appear inside, is all based on finding prototypes in reality. For example, in traditional Chinese superstition, the Jade Emperor is depicted according to the appearance of an emperor in the real world.

[rose eagle]

Hmm

[formal pilot]

What about non materialistic things like individual psychology or culture in shaping society and history

I gotta go now, I've to in middle of lecture

I'll be back to continue this

[rose eagle]

Hey, how many atheists are there in here?

[dapper laurel]

I think most people

Thankfully 😞

[rose eagle]

Hmm yes

[dapper laurel]

Yeah, but we should embrace diversity

[rose eagle]

My history teacher once said that religion partly came from the imagination of people long ago, because that was how they explained natural phenomena.

[dapper laurel]

It's a more complex mechanism than that

[dapper laurel]

Your history teacher should continue to teach history, and not try to improvise as a theology teacher

[muted patio]

Historical materialism is not just about emphasizing class struggle. Class struggle is not the most important and decisive factor. This is a stereotype. The meaning of historical materialism is that society is driven by people's material production and life. On the contrary, in Hegel's view, history is the so-called absolute spiritual self evolution. Class struggle, to some extent, is equal to issues such as gender contradictions and is the result of the development of people's material activities. However, class contradictions are ultimately the most fundamental and decisive contradictions. Even in some very specific aspects, he may not directly play a decisive role. Let's take gender as an example: when Europe moved towards capitalism, the existing patriarchy was rewritten by the demands of the emerging bourgeoisie and became a part of the capitalist system (including material and cultural systems). Women are confined to their homes and become housewives, which is beneficial for the reproduction of adult male labor force (which can be directly understood as rest) and also conducive to the development of the capitalist system. So who is oppressed under this patriarchal capitalist system? There are male workers as well as women. But often in some parts of Europe, there are incidents of male workers fighting against working women. This is a common tactic used by rulers to divide resistance forces. Here, the concept of class does not directly play a decisive role, but it still plays a decisive role: upper class women suffer much less harm than lower class women.

[dapper laurel]

So you think religious people condemn those who don't follow their own religion?

[rose eagle]

Yea

[dapper laurel]

True religious people don't do this

God didn't create me to be perfect, but He created me to be merciful

And this applies to every other religious person

Two weeks ago a priest in Australia was attacked by an islamist, he forgave the attacker in hospital and invited all the faithful to do the same thing

I don't judge atheists or those who have a different religion than mine, but rather, I pray for them

[dry lodge]

Dayum after 2 months nothing changed

[thorny steeple]

"the Religion of peace" 💀💀

[dapper laurel]

I don't feel like judging this statement, there are peaceful and non-peaceful Muslims, I will pray for both

[thorny steeple]

It's just that I didn't have a good experience with muslims. Maybe it's my trauma, I feel like vomiting when I see anything related to Islam.

[dapper laurel]

I know, but in the Bible it says that there are few true believers and that in the final judgment few will be saved

[dapper laurel]

Brother, I can understand you, many things happen in this world, but we must learn to forgive

I know, and I hope God can forgive them

Religions are things run by humans, we are not perfect, there will always be things that are not right

It is a problem of faith, if you are not faithful you cannot be religious

Because they are not true religious, they let themselves be devoured by human pride and do not follow the holy word

The true religious are those who know how to interpret the holy word and understand its teachers

Only partially

What's wrong?

I thought I said something wrong, well, see you next time

[rotund fractal]

is there anything u can do when u cant do anything ?

[trim kelp]

There is always something you could do to better not a scenario, but yourself

[static pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/shiv-gif-27612359

Shiv is the Truth.

[weak wind]

satayam shivam shundram

[jolly agate]

Enjoy your life I say

[prisma cipher]

Ok ok👍

[prisma cipher]

Also she remember German soldiers give her candy. She was little kid when war happened. And my city was occupied by Germany

[rose eagle]

A pot made by B52 plane aluminum..

I found it at my hometown

[prisma cipher]

I found machine gun casings when I was a child, and once we found a German pistol

[manic juniper]

Today it's mixed with dumb nationalism and misconceptions about its history

They think that Hinduism is dogmatic or that it isn't "pagan" when it probably was for most of its history since the commoners saw it differently than the priests did

[vapid hare]

L social caste

[manic juniper]

Pretty much many religions were like that btw, Romans are another great example

Their religion was "whatever is popular and directly sponsored by the emperor himself with festivals" then people at their homes worshipped whatever they wanted to worship

[vapid hare]

Pagan religions yeah, i dont think any of the abrahamic ones have any formal caste system though

[manic juniper]

But in the streets you had to attend the Syrian invincible sun god festival, no matter if you lived in Italy or in Dacia

[vapid hare]

Polytheism and all, pretty much the default religion setting for much of human history

[manic juniper]

No because they are more dogmatic and the religious texts are handed over to the commoners

[vapid hare]

Dogmatic as in they have more centralized religious authority and structured doctrines? Idk

[manic juniper]

Ngl the pre-Christian setting sounded fun and exaggerated, I would've attended

[manic juniper]

Less incentives to have your own interpretations and experiences compared to other religions, especially if they go against those of the priests

Meanwhile Greeks had different versions of a deity with the same name and they considered those to be different deities altogether

[vapid hare]

There are different schools of thought within all three though, no? Christians had like three or so iirc, muslims have a ton, idk about judaism though

[manic juniper]

Yes but there are some that are considered fully heretical like Arianism

Or the Nation of Islam

[vapid hare]

They have a billion different sects nowadays, baptism/protestantism/catholicism/orthodox, and some others

[manic juniper]

Even the opinion of a sect about another is sometimes that it's heretical

[vapid hare]

They have varying intepretations of their scripture but is hinduism any different? Or any of the pagan religions for that matter, im pretty sure there were some deviants when the celtic and germanic folk religions were still around (to which war probably occurred around)

[manic juniper]

But to their defence modern Christianity is much less divided than it used to be, yes there are more stupid sects like Mormonism but the three major branches are getting along today especially Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholicism

[manic juniper]

There were texts that weren't considered canonical even back then

[vapid hare]

No more petty religious wars 🥳 hip hip hooray

[manic juniper]

Some stories or interpretations that were quite fringe or weren't identified with the deities they worshipped

[manic juniper]

It took the fall of Constantinople 💀

[vapid hare]

I do remember reading that there were some christian sects that disregarded the Old Testament and only accepted the New Testament as their scripture

[manic juniper]

There are peaceful religions btw but they are too small and don't have actual laws or rules, only traditions or common sense

Stuff like "leave food deep in the forest to keep the spirits away from your home"

The spirits could just be bears

[vapid hare]

More tight-knit communities and less organized religion I think. Just focused on "spiritual growth" rather than adhering to some religious dogma