🧠｜serious-chat

[full socket]

Thats what Im doing right now

[spice hatch]

Thank you

[weary vault]

I got no crush

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Its a risk you have to take and its the only way

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💀

[formal pilot]

Ask for notes, works every single time

[pearl cypress]

Turn it into a k-drama 💀

[inner oak]

thankies❤️

[spice hatch]

K drama cannot be real ☠️

[thorny steeple]

Act like a gentleman, tbh personality and take over attractiveness. I know that from experience lol. I literally lowered my standards for my ex

[pearl cypress]

I thought it was 💀

[thorny steeple]

SAME

https://tenor.com/view/clipped-l-bozo-gif-7344129475163402581

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Thank you

[inner oak]

this is serious chat😡😡

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/arpit-bala-celebration-joy-joyful-g-gif-7346507653213585048

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That would be pretty hard ig

Antways thank you all

[pearl cypress]

Komawayo

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And i gotta go to have lunch now,,

[thorny steeple]

Anytime

[spice hatch]

Komawayo 😅

[spice hatch]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

Hope you have a nice meal, cyaa

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Bye guys

[inner oak]

the server has banned the korean word for bye bye

[spice hatch]

Thanks for sying that

[thorny steeple]

i had more but I talk to much

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Have a good onee

[inner oak]

bye

[thorny steeple]

NOOO

whyyyy

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Whyy

[inner oak]

idk

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안녕히계세요

[inner oak]

it wont let me post

[spice hatch]

It works

[inner oak]

type it in english

[spice hatch]

Anyways i really gotta go now bye :>

[thorny steeple]

Try to say it in English Alphabet

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Annyeonghigyaeseyo

[thorny steeple]

Alright cyaaa!!

[spice hatch]

It works bro @inner oak

[weary vault]

My step to step guide for getting a girl aight guys so look
How to get a girl :
Step 1 : Work on hygiene, dress good, look good aight
Step 2 : Confidence! Be open, just say you like her, show your affection, rizz her up, flirt is good but be real wid it
Step 3 : Spend time with her, be close

Thank me later (i got no b1tches btw)

[spice hatch]

Anyway really bye

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[thorny steeple]

that last past, is da best

[thorny steeple]

But this depends on the girl

[weary vault]

game is game

[thorny steeple]

and bitches is bitches

💀

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[thorny steeple]

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See das why am gay guys

[thorny steeple]

Smhhh

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💀 lmao

[thorny steeple]

LMFAO

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[full socket]

good advice

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in4k-caught-you-in4k-meme-caught-in4k-meme-caught-you-gif-25209362

[weary vault]

am jokin i love ladiessss 🎀🎀✨✨🥰🥰

[thorny steeple]

[weary vault]

I got none

🥰🎀

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big cap

[thorny steeple]

Facts

[thorny steeple]

||un||like me

[thorny steeple]

Are you a girl or boy

Your a girl

im a man

what

Your a dudeee??

[weary vault]

Do play wid me now boy 😠😠💢💢

[thorny steeple]

play wid u?

[thorny steeple]

yes bro

[weary vault]

Don't do me like dat 😠💢💢

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-vince-mcmahon-meme-vince-no-no-no-way-gif-7797789826061351147

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So I used to have a crush on that girl at my work, but now my job contract has ended

[thorny steeple]

Cap

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But I still have a crush on her, even tho Ik Im never gonna see her again

L

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egend

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Me and bro looksmaxxing whole summer, we still got no h0es

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rip

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😞💢💢

[thorny steeple]

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💢💢💢

[weary vault]

[thorny steeple]

just find a good wife, instead of lookin for h0es man

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where bruh

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Yeah where

[thorny steeple]

that's a difficult question

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ye

[thorny steeple]

[weary vault]

Well well well

[thorny steeple]

just go for h0es then.

[weary vault]

I might act gay to get into girlies 🥰🎀🎀🎀

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yea bro

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Mf

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fake it till you make it yeahhh

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/puneet-puneet-superstar-laughing-laugh-funny-gif-24904888

[weary vault]

Ma man

[thorny steeple]

fr

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🏃🏻‍♂️

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become 🏳️‍🌈

[thorny steeple]

bro's on the path of making it already

[weary vault]

🗣️ ye man

Absolutely

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🏳️‍🌈🤡

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@thorny steeple man yk what

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no man idk..

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[weary vault]

I got these 2 girls hitting on me from past few weeks, they cringe asf i don need clown b1tches 💀@thorny steeple

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Lets spam

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[thorny steeple]

clown, bitches...

clown + bitches = clown bitches??

[weary vault]

Yessir
Yk what basically these b1tches prolly don even shower 💀

[thorny steeple]

like... what made you feel clown abt em?

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/cj-san-andreas-here-we-gif-25812718

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♡☪⛏☇⚇⚿☘⚆⚆♎⛗☵♂♀☕☺⛖⛪☄⛰♷⚾♞☟☨☡⚁⚔⚪♹⚱☤♍♗⚦♌☁⛻⛟⚙⚯⚄⚮♕⚝⚇♔♳⚶✆⛘♪♊⛑⚔⛣☕♓☋☽⚌⚍⚛⛄⚴☂☆☏♾

[weary vault]

They basically like the girl i want vs the girl who want me, i just walk outside fresh af, they just give me hints and shit but nah they ain't cool

🏃🏻‍♂️ run bruh

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who want this program

[thorny steeple]

point to be noted..

look somewhere else then, if you can

[weary vault]

And the girls i see in the city they fcking mog me

[thorny steeple]

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😭 damn man

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-cry-laughing-meme-gif-27654463

bro be like:

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Real

[desert nebula]

Bushra

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Hi

[full socket]

@spice hatchH

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Guys

I wanna make english speaking friends

Could anyone here be my friend 🥺

[full socket]

maybe someone can

[spice hatch]

Yeah maybe

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By the way lets be friends

[feral river]

I don't think someone will refuse the friend request

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Let me test

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Israel soldiers attack my village, last night 😭

[formal pilot]

Aren't you in west bank?

[spice hatch]

You were right

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Wowwww

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yes, I live in Hebron ( west bank)

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and u sad

[formal pilot]

You don't have to disclose your exact city

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why ,

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Im sorry

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np

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Here is my one

[formal pilot]

Just for security reasons

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cool city

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Why is it fleped

Nvm

[formal pilot]

I thought west bank was safe

[feral river]

why didn't you evacuate from that place ? it's pretty dangrous and leave here immediately

[jade knot]

no , not all time

[feral river]

no where is safe in war time

Israeli may kill you

[formal pilot]

@feral river you're straightforward at a toxic level ngl

[jade knot]

You run away, we don't run away (freedom or death)

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np , I die a martyr

[pearl cypress]

They are attacking Syria and Lebanon as well

[pearl cypress]

May Allah help you

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thanks ❤️💯

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ik

[pearl cypress]

This is hella frustrating

[feral river]

🤣 I guess

[feral river]

1% freedom and 99% death ? I don't think it's a smart choice, but I 100% respect you because you are defending yourself, your family, your people, and your country, you are a true hero man 🫡

[jade knot]

thanks 💯❤️

[pearl cypress]

He is indeed

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where are you from?

[feral river]

People's Republic of China

[pearl cypress]

Nihao

[feral river]

Nihao ❤️

[pearl cypress]

Oh I should correct it

[feral river]

a real soldier who defend their own people always need to be respected anytime in anywhere.

[manic river]

Hi @sand sleet Welcome to the English club, i'm Sag from India

[feral river]

士可杀不可辱 "soldier can be killed but can't be humiliated"

[manic river]

@sand sleet i checked your profile, are you studying BCA rights?

[pearl cypress]

Not the ones who commit genocide

[pearl cypress]

Absolutely

[opal flame]

do a palestine civilian have to respect an israeli soldier because theyre defending their own people ? 👀

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nice to meet you 😊

[pearl cypress]

That's the point

[opal flame]

point

[pearl cypress]

Period

[opal flame]

panic

[jade knot]

they don't defend, they killed Palestinenan

[pearl cypress]

Peasant

[opal flame]

welp theyre defending their countries by killing other people who are holding weapons or seen as terrorists in a way yk

but the main focus here is about why should soldiers be respected in the first place ? they are just people who hold weapons and follow ORDERS from the higher authority

[pearl cypress]

Because they are dedicating their lives for the safety of their people

[sly torrent]

they killed civilians?

[opal flame]

thats not true.. they are not volunteering.. they are getting paid for that.. its their job

[jade knot]

Do you believe their lies?
My grandfather's age is older than their country's age
It is our land, the land of the Palestinians for a long time, and they have no connection to this land

[jade knot]

they come to kill civilians

[pearl cypress]

But who knows what would happen to them once they take this job

[opal flame]

welp a lotta civilians died in both sides

[opal flame]

who know what would happen to them if they didnt take that job ? being without a job ? cant support their family ? death of hunger ? 👀

[pearl cypress]

From scratch it's a Palestinian land

[formal pilot]

Yup killing of innocents isn't justifiable at all

[opal flame]

true

[sly torrent]

OMG, isn't a war crime? what united is doing rn

[wooden musk]

All we can do is just talk and nothing

[opal flame]

at least we have the freedom of talking ig

in some other places they dont have it hehehshsh

[jade knot]

Who says that ? Watch Al Jazeera News Channel, Israelis kill civilians, Palestinians face the enemy only (who carries weapons)

[formal pilot]

We'll get new perspectives at the same time we're improving English so it's a W for me

[wooden musk]

Trump, keep talking bs

[opal flame]

im sorry but why should i trust one source ? 💀

[wooden musk]

Loosers

[opal flame]

killing is bad in general but the point here was about respecting soldiers just bc of protecting countries ? and i just dun agree with it

[pearl cypress]

Jazeera isn't showing everything accurately

[opal flame]

palestine n israel were just an example

[pearl cypress]

Including you

[jade knot]

All news channels, this information is not from me. Russian, Arab, European and from all over the world.

[pearl cypress]

If they are not murdering innocents I presume they deserve some respect not glorification

[formal pilot]

Ignored

[jade knot]

iBut it is an internationally reliable source

[formal pilot]

No one in the right head will glorify the killing of innocents

[opal flame]

im sorry to break it to you but most europeans countries support israel hehehshs

[pearl cypress]

That was a mistake

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ik 🤷

[opal flame]

which means that the statement u said is wrong heheshsh

[pearl cypress]

Ikr but for instance the massacre that occurred in The Hospital of Al Shifa earlier they cannot picture all that horrific scenes yk

[formal pilot]

Which statement?

[opal flame]

dis one

[pearl cypress]

Why is that

[opal flame]

bc palestinians r too broke

[jade knot]

But reliable news channels always tell the truth, and so do local media professionals in Gaza

[pearl cypress]

Power hungry

[opal flame]

mayhaps

[jade knot]

Local media professionals in Gaza filming

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where are you from

[opal flame]

Egypt

[jade knot]

I'm Palestinian bro

[desert nebula]

The thing I learned poeple who support Israel talking to them is like talking to a wall. If you showed them all the evidence and the crimes done by those trash they'll either escape or deny. Their hearts are blind so it's meaningless. Just an hour ago a pro Israeli escaped bc he couldn't deny the resources I sent.

[formal pilot]

I mean UN's human rights council said it's a genocide

[desert nebula]

And btw Egyptians support palestine

[opal flame]

do you like walls ?

[jade knot]

yes, in Gaza

[formal pilot]

Indeed

[desert nebula]

Changing the topic is their hobby too

[opal flame]

i mean we were talking about soldiers at first then someone changed the topic to the war in israel

[jade knot]

this is the truth

[desert nebula]

Which soldiers?? The idf is trash not soldiers teach them how to fight and war rules first

[formal pilot]

Some people don't even know about the whole conflict, they just support isreal cuz they hate Muslims

[opal flame]

what im trying to say.. before you come here n just state your opinion.. i think its more respectful to read the whole chat from the beginning hehehsh

[desert nebula]

Unfortunately it's true. Brainwashed by social media.

[formal pilot]

Or political parties

[jade knot]

I'm Palestinian, normal civilian

[desert nebula]

I won't do that. I replied to what I saw disrespectful and if you didn't notice I didn't even mention you. I just stated Egyptians support palestine and it's true

[formal pilot]

Who's controlling law and order/ defence in west bank rn?

[opal flame]

have you asked every single Egyptian n they told you that they support palestine ? 🥺

[jade knot]

No one, u can say the Palestinian Authority

[desert nebula]

I lived there 10 years my whole life I haven't met a single Egyptian supporting israhell. I think you are the one who should read about your country's history. They conquered sinaa before and if you never heard about sixth October go search about it.they celebrate every year That day

After they kicked the trash outside their land

[formal pilot]

But I've read Israel retains full security and administrative control of Area C (basically 60% of west bank)

[opal flame]

have you heard about camp david accords ? 🥺

[formal pilot]

Diplomatic recognition= 2 state solution basically

[jade knot]

PA is just a form
Israel does whatever it wants in the West Bank, and no one judges it

[desert nebula]

I'd say those 13 are the coward gov ofc and their dogs or they have problems in their brain who loves their enemy?

[formal pilot]

That's what I was asking

[grizzled yacht]

Hey

[desert nebula]

Atleast respect your ancestors who died while defending your country

[opal flame]

this is a good question

[serene stag]

@jade knot here, friend

[opal flame]

we now can go back to the real topic ? should soldiers be respected or not

[formal pilot]

Dude they support 2 state solution basically, they don't support genocide wth

[jade knot]

see the chat from the first, video

go up to top of chat

[formal pilot]

Depends on the soldiers, if you ask this question to a Pakistani they'll say soliders can be really really bad

[serene stag]

Where?

[formal pilot]

@slow storm we need your opinion here

[jade knot]

The Palestinian Authority has no authority except the authority to steal teachers’ salaries

[desert nebula]

Soldiers will be respected if they acted like soldiers. Did they kill children,women? Burnt houses, churches and masjids? After that I can tell if they should be respected or not

[visual jolt]

hi all~~

[jade knot]

@serene stag see the video

[opal flame]

dats interesting

[opal flame]

do you think soldiers have a saying on their action or they just follow orders ?

[serene stag]

Ah! Ok... I saw

[formal pilot]

If you're a British solider in a colonial country, people will hate you

[desert nebula]

2 state solution is never a solution. Living with the murder of your family under one roof?? Who can bear that. If they support the 2 state they're indirectly supporting the genocide.

[formal pilot]

They can always rebel if they want

[formal pilot]

No they're not supporting genocide, 2 state solution is the most logical solution, conflicts at this level doesn't solve with emotions

[desert nebula]

Yes they have free will. Will you kill a child if you were threatened by an armed person? You'll be just the same as the criminal bc the criminal his crazy desires controls him and in that case you'll be controlled too by a different thing.

[opal flame]

idk if you know that but in 2014 in Egypt.. this happened in general.. lots of mosques n civilians were killed by soldiers meow

so do we consider Egyptian soldiers as people worth respect or not ? 🥺

bc they try to save the country from terrorism 🥺

[desert nebula]

It's just as if you're asking a victim to live with a murder in the same room to achieve peace. Pls have some logic. If this was possible take them to your country and live peacefully.

[obtuse stirrup]

Peace requires compromise, not blind hatred

[opal flame]

but in general.. soldiers have no sayings about their actions.. they must follow the orders or there will be consquences

[formal pilot]

You can't eradicate Israel

[formal pilot]

They have a free will to rebell

[desert nebula]

I don't understand which revolution are you talking about. ثورة ٢٥ يناير؟

[desert nebula]

And who killed who soldiers killed soldiers?

[formal pilot]

I'm not gonna hate British cuz back in day they killed millions of my people

[opal flame]

2014 in Rab'aa

[desert nebula]

If you mean killing civilians they doesn't deserve any respect

[formal pilot]

He's saying soliders are puppets, is it fare to blame them

@opal flame correct me if I'm wrong

[desert nebula]

Then it can't be achieved. Israel wants ethnic cleansing. See their old videos when they used to go out talking proudly how they killed this and that. And now acting as angels wanting peace don't make me laugh

It's their dream to wipe out every Palestinian

[opal flame]

i dun think so
i think soldiers r just doing their job.. we shouldnt respect or disrespect them.. just like any other normal job..

[desert nebula]

And who knows what next claim other parts of the middle east Maybe

[opal flame]

if theres someone to blame.. its the higher authority who gives the orders yk meow

[desert nebula]

Wait wait that makes sense now. You are telling me you support that killings ??

[opal flame]

not really

but Egypt that you claim that it supports Israel.. did smth considered as smth terrorist in da first place hehehshsh

[obtuse stirrup]

Real peace requires acknowledging past wrongs, yes, but it also requires a willingness to move forward. holding onto grudges and demonizing the other side gets us nowhere

[desert nebula]

He seems to be a puppet in the government hand already. Ik this kind blind follower for the authority.

[desert nebula]

Yes and why is it called a revolution?? To fight corruption maybe

The authority was in the wrong hands that time

It's just like if you're telling me o should respect Bashar alhaqeer and his trash when they're killing us

[formal pilot]

Sounds like ad hominem

You should try to plant a seed of reality in his brain instead of this all

[desert nebula]

And you think children who lost everything can move forward? It's easy to say that while we are living in a safe place and can eat well and rest without predicting you'll die at any moment

Yes I'll demonize their acts forever. It's unforgivable it's not like it has been centuries since that time. It's still continuing.

We might forgive France, Britain.... and all those countries which conquered us 100 years ago. Bc its not the same poeple now

[desert nebula]

He escaped:)) I'm used to it

[formal pilot]

Lmao

[charred trail]

@thorny steeple Hi 👋 again

[thorny steeple]

@charred trail Basically my parents think that isreal is good in a nutshell, while I am a pacifist and war is just a mess in general.

Hello.

[charred trail]

Tell me one good thing about Israel. Even the Israeli people want to bring down Netanyahu

[thorny steeple]

I have nothing to say about isreal.

[charred trail]

So you don't support Israel right?

[thorny steeple]

I don't support war in general, so no.

[charred trail]

Aha

[frank furnace]

@thorny steeple every religion is phobic to each other yes

[thorny steeple]

Indeed :/

[frank furnace]

atheists are the most phobic cause they hate all

[formal pilot]

Do you consider atheism as religion?

[charred trail]

@thorny steeple where are you from?

[thorny steeple]

United States.

[formal pilot]

Lmao i type slow

[thorny steeple]

And yes, I want out.

[formal pilot]

I don't thik this statement is true sir

[thorny steeple]

(I'm reliant on my parents, so kind-of bad luck because I have mental illness )

[frank furnace]

maybe a pseudo religion

by worshipping the self

[jade knot]

where are you from

[charred trail]

Well, do you know why your parents say Islamophobia and love Israel? The United States of America sends weapons to Israel and Israel kills the Palestinians. Any sane person hates the United States of America and hates Israel And the European countries that help Israel

[frank furnace]

ur an atheist so

[thorny steeple]

No I know. I am a pacifist and don't support companies that do anything related to war.

(Like Northrop Grumman)

[charred trail]

Ok

[frank furnace]

Why is Islam atheist phobic?

[charred trail]

What do you mean?

[frank furnace]

Atheistophobia

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah I'm atheist

[jade knot]

When you buy from McDonut or Burger King, you support the Israeli occupation

[formal pilot]

Brb

[frank furnace]

A theist?

[formal pilot]

Atheist*

[jade knot]

What do you mean?

[frank furnace]

People are hungry they don't care

[charred trail]

@thorny steeple Do you believe in one God?

[thorny steeple]

Yes.

[frank furnace]

Becoming an apostate in Islam is not tolerated right

[jade knot]

I mean that when anyone buys from these stores, he is helping Israel kill innocent people in Gaza

[frank furnace]

Would it be like gay Muslim?

[charred trail]

Do you believe in our Master Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace?

[jade knot]

I know , I'm Palestinian and Muslim

[thorny steeple]

Yes.

[charred trail]

So you are Muslim?

[jade knot]

where are you from?

[frank furnace]

A lot of Muslims are buying so

They don't seem to care

[thorny steeple]

I consider myself a Muslim yes. But I practice in secret because my parents

[charred trail]

@frank furnace Where are you from?

[charred trail]

How old are you?

[frank furnace]

Do you like burqah or hiljab

[jade knot]

I know, I tell foreigners in the rest of the world

[frank furnace]

Your neighbor

[thorny steeple]

24. Be aware I am bound to my parents right now, because of mental illness

23*

[charred trail]

Are you from Israel?

[thorny steeple]

My b-day is on April 7th

so, I get confused

[frank furnace]

No

[jade knot]

where are you from?

[charred trail]

So why you say you are right neigbor

[frank furnace]

Any Muslim answer this simple question

[frank furnace]

Are you Muslim?

[jade knot]

both of you r Muslim

hi is Egyptian

[charred trail]

Oh I feel very sad because you feel ill

[charred trail]

Yes

[frank furnace]

Islam is not fixing your illness. Allah is not taking care of you so

[frank furnace]

Israel?

[charred trail]

God is capable of everything

[jade knot]

he is Egyptian

[frank furnace]

But they are still ill

[thorny steeple]

I'm getting the help I need, it just takes time. Once I get more independent I can move out.

[jade knot]

@thorny steeple where are you from,?

[charred trail]

Well, she prays to God to heal her

[frank furnace]

She can't pray properly cause mind is not working properly

[charred trail]

Oh God, heal you

[jade knot]

where is she from ?

[thorny steeple]

United States. I met you before, but I don't like sharing photos because I have personal issues and that I'm dealing with, so I get scared.

[frank furnace]

Science will heal them one day

[charred trail]

Who are you to speak instead of her .

[frank furnace]

Alright she isn't healed yet

[charred trail]

@thorny steeple I am very sorry that I spoke inappropriately to you. At first, I did not know that you were a Muslim. I thought you supported Israel

@frank furnace what is your religion?

[thorny steeple]

I forgive you.

[charred trail]

Thank you 😊

[frank furnace]

Don't need to pray. Find for some medicine to heal otherwise you'll be waiting forever praying.

God is not listening

[jade knot]

and me ? u forgive me ?

[charred trail]

@thorny steeple I see many girls from the United States of America becoming Muslims. I see them on Tik Tok. Is it true that many American girls are becoming Muslims?

[static pivot]

😂

What's this chat

[charred trail]

@frank furnace I will not speak to you

[jade knot]

??

[charred trail]

What 😂

[frank furnace]

You speak to girls only?

[thorny steeple]

i forgive you as well.

[static pivot]

and I forgive you

[thorny steeple]

I have not looked into this, maybe I should.

[jade knot]

What are you wearing

[charred trail]

its wrong . You talk about God in a very bad way so I don't want to talk to you

[static pivot]

...

[frank furnace]

So you don't believe in medicine 💉💊?

[charred trail]

Aha ok

[static pivot]

That's 18+ Question deyaa

[charred trail]

Medicine is a cause of healing, and God is the healer

[frank furnace]

What? This can't be true. Medicine works on atheists too.

[static pivot]

Good point

[jade knot]

I met her before she imprisoned me, and I spoke to her on private chat, you know the rest, and I apologize to her now because my account was hacked.

[static pivot]

Ah okay

[charred trail]

God equals everyone in this life, but in the afterlife after death, non-Muslims will not enter Paradise

[fringe folio]

ftmlshitpost

[slow storm]

In Pakistan, our soldiers work tirelessly to protect us during wars and conflicts. However, when it comes to high-ranking officials like our army chief, civilians often lack respect for them. We don't like them
Literally back in 2019 we all love our army and we still love them

[slow storm]

God is for everyone

[frank furnace]

Maybe science is healing and God is not. People are quick to go to hospital than pray about it

[charred trail]

Because you must take the reasons for God to heal you, and one of the reasons is to go to the hospital

[frank furnace]

All these centuries we didn't have hospitals and medicine until science came along.

Many people died praying, and God didn't answer at all.

It's a waste of time. Full of probability

We don't know for sure God will heal us

[formal pilot]

+1

[formal pilot]

Thank for your perspective

I wish you were here few minutes before

Anyway thanks @slow storm

[slow storm]

,😂😂

[frank furnace]

What happens for atheists in Pakistan? Any guess

[formal pilot]

I mean islam is against atheism

I'm not familiar with the laws in Pakistan

[formal pilot]

What's the punishment for being atheist in pak?

She's our primary source

[frank furnace]

Google is saying the death penalty 💀

[static pivot]

I doubt that

How many people would have that on paper?

[desert nebula]

Syria

[static pivot]

@slow storm take me to Karachi

@desert nebula take me to syria

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's in islam

Most of the atheist are religious on paper tho

||Like me||

[desert nebula]

Bro I'm not there. I'd be killed long time ago if I were there

[static pivot]

Cap

Show me papers

And since when you're Pakistani?

[formal pilot]

Lmao you're triggering my PTSD

[formal pilot]

I'm not Pakistani

[static pivot]

Even if people say they are atheists , most of them wouldn't have that on papers

In pak and ind

Pretty sure

It's just people like saying anything

[formal pilot]

Yeah most of the religion hate atheism

I'm not sure about hinduism tho, there's a branch of Hinduism which is atheist

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_atheism

[frank furnace]

Most atheists are in China, and religion is hated and banned

It is like tribalism, and group intolerance

[formal pilot]

Many of europian Nordic countries are atheist

But they not hate religion tho

[formal pilot]

What do you think is the evolutionary aspect of being biased?

[frank furnace]

Those are post christian countries

China is founded with state atheism as their religion

[formal pilot]

Intresting

[slow storm]

Idk, but I don't think so there is any punishment for being an atheist

[frank furnace]

can I explain the "anti-blaspemy" laws

[slow storm]

I guess there is a punishment for lgbt and whatever u say

[formal pilot]

So you're saying if you're an atheist chances of you being a thiestphobic is high?

[slow storm]

U can, I don't know about this

[frank furnace]

Like you're public saying Islam is false

[slow storm]

And I never heard someone got punished because he or she is an atheist

[frank furnace]

Okay Pakistan must be a great place for atheists

I wonder why there are no atheists on paper

Why are they afraid?

[formal pilot]

I don't think I've seen any atheist from pak challenging the laws of religion

[slow storm]

Yeah

[formal pilot]

Just cross checked it there's no law against atheist in Pakistan

[formal pilot]

Because of the society

[slow storm]

I think we didn't revise our laws

[frank furnace]

@slow storm said you can be atheist and fine

[formal pilot]

If you're challenging religious law on public platform you'll get smoked

[frank furnace]

Yeah so you cannot tell anybody you became an atheist

[slow storm]

U guys have better information about Pakistan 😭 idk tbh

I never find an atheist here

[frank furnace]

Lol

[slow storm]

I have some Christian and Hindu frnds

[frank furnace]

Atheist are private people

[formal pilot]

That's pretty much it, I've many friends from Muslim families they're atheist

But they can't disclose it in family

[formal pilot]

You're our primary source, don't say that

[vapid hare]

Surefire way to get your ass imprisoned thats for sure

[frank furnace]

Not brave people I see

[slow storm]

Na bruh, u will gonna fight with me

[vapid hare]

Yeah lets get disowned 🗣️

[formal pilot]

You're being sadistic now

[frank furnace]

All atheists can make their own group

[formal pilot]

Hell na, we discuss here we don't fight

Fighting is for cowards who don't have the element to understand

[vapid hare]

Make Atheist City then

[frank furnace]

But atheists are mostly individualistic

[slow storm]

I don't know why people become atheist..
What is the reason.
Please guide me masters

[frank furnace]

Eating pork and alcohol

[vapid hare]

They just simply become disillusioned with their respective religions thats why

[fringe folio]

[frank furnace]

I heard there are no pigs in Pakistan

[formal pilot]

I don't want you to become atheist, i don't think without faith someone can survive in pak, religion gives blind hope to cope

||Just kidding, pak is good country||

[vapid hare]

America has a ton serving in their police force, maybe it can give some to pakistan ?

[slow storm]

Have u ever researched about it. Why these things are haram?
Do you know what is the food of pigs?

[formal pilot]

I'm planning to visit pak, so there will be one

[craggy patrol]

hello

[formal pilot]

Hey slymer

[frank furnace]

What's the food for chicken

[slow storm]

No matter from where I belong, if I am aware of Quran and hadith I will never become an atheist

[slow storm]

Go google dear

[craggy patrol]

yeah me ?@formal pilot

[frank furnace]

Dirt?

[formal pilot]

Fair enough, you do whatever you want

[frank furnace]

How are piggies any different 🐷

[slow storm]

This is a long debate I have to go for Eid shopping, I'll be back and if you want to discuss this topic with me i, am here
@formal pilot

[formal pilot]

Yes dude, how you doin

[frank furnace]

Wanna try out pork special biryani

[formal pilot]

Slay queen

[fringe folio]

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[formal pilot]

I wish we were in Medieval Times

[vapid hare]

Eat cow dung instead please, I beg of you 🙏

[formal pilot]

So I can bite your heart

[frank furnace]

I'm not Hindu

[craggy patrol]

i just walk around to chat chit

[formal pilot]

It costs 5.5X of chicken, i don't think I'm gonna buy it

In my country*

[frank furnace]

I'll pay for you

Every atheist must try

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah I'm down, I've tried it before

[frank furnace]

Before they go || jail || in Pakistan

[formal pilot]

Well there's no rules

[formal pilot]

That's really good way to improve English

[frank furnace]

Pork is the cheapest

[formal pilot]

What's the evolutionary aspect of being biased?

[formal pilot]

Not in my area

[frank furnace]

In my place, pork is. It's the main meat food in the West

[formal pilot]

What's protein percentage in pork?

27

In chicken breast it's 31

I'm on bulk, chicken is the way

[frank furnace]

It's all the same close

Chicken Costs the double

Two drumsticks probably 10 dollars

[formal pilot]

1 kg pork = $12
1 kg chicken= $3 in my area

[formal pilot]

It depends on the supply

Demand

[grave temple]

welcome back

can’t believe how vivek said “You talk too much”

That’s crazy considering we are in a social/learning server

Df I’m I suppose to do

Do sign language

[formal pilot]

I'm really sorry dude y'all have to go through this just because of me

I've some really really great topic to discuss tho

[hallow tendon]

because Islam has taken it from Jews' law and restrictions. But for Jews at a time as well as now it has sense because God wanted to separate His nation from pagans around and preserve them as a nation by making them distinct. Apparently these weird national features helped them to survive the times of expelling. Oh, and also outward symbolism was important for people of bronze age. Actually a lot was spoken through material and historical symbols.

[formal pilot]

@grave temple again I'm so sorry I made you guys go through this

[frank furnace]

What was it again? I wasn't part of the drama

[frank furnace]

Jews can eat pork, but as beef and lamb

Most food are adulterated

[hallow tendon]

Is it a question? I do not know, but most likely they can eat both lamb and beef.

There is a matter of hoofs and horns

[frank furnace]

I mean, they mix pork with beef and lamb

It's called capitalism

[hallow tendon]

)))

yeah, it can happen, but those who eat might be not know. It is not so big offence.

but if they do know - it won't help - they would beak the law as they have eaten full pork

[frank furnace]

I think it is stupid

Say you were stuck on an island, and pork is the food you have. Would you eat it?

To survive

[final yew]

It might be disgusting

[frank furnace]

It's still tasty though

[hallow tendon]

They could pray and ask God for permission

[frank furnace]

And God will reply?

[hallow tendon]

I am not sure about Jews. But I am no one to know such things and I have not enough knowledge to discuss this. But I think It's possible.

[frank furnace]

Does God answer to you?

[hallow tendon]

Yes.

[frank furnace]

I hope it's not schizophrenia or something else

[hallow tendon]

Although I did not deserve it.

[frank furnace]

What is the name of the God answering your requests

[hallow tendon]

no)) You cannot even imagine what kind of atheist I was about three or four month ago.

[hallow tendon]

What do you mean by that? ))

[frank furnace]

What is the name of the god talking to you

[hallow tendon]

There is only one God who can hear you XD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkvAANLZPLo

[frank furnace]

I presume it is the christian god

Okay

[frank furnace]

Not gonna lie. Protestant music is like the atheist concert show

[hallow tendon]

Partly true. But God wants people worship in their hearts first and foremost. So the style is not so important - it is still music after all.

Contemporary

not for someone who is dead already a couple of hundreds years

[frank furnace]

However, Christianity is dying because caving to secular culture

Look at Islam. They haven't changed their music at all

Yet It is the fastest growing religion

[hallow tendon]

Israelites were surrender by pagans from all sides. And it is true for Christianity doctrines as well. Most people are separated from God. It is our world and it is kind of OK i guess. @frank furnace

[frank furnace]

Yes, it is okay Christianity is dying lol

[hallow tendon]

How?

[frank furnace]

Early Christian music was not like this at all

[frank furnace]

Look at the numbers

The number of atheists in Christian countries are increasing

Not a gotcha but it obvious thing

[hallow tendon]

Look in the hearts of people. Nothing have been changed just is more honest.

[frank furnace]

Huh?

[hallow tendon]

they were not Christians who have left

[hallow tendon]

outward stuff is not about Christianity.

[frank furnace]

Woah the inward reflects the outward

You can't be a Christian and go around killing people, right??

[vapid hare]

They need to translate the bible to gen z slang to get the kiddos into it

[hallow tendon]

Outward can be and usually is a fake

[frank furnace]

Islam is not doing that. I like how it Holding The Line ™️

[manic juniper]

They're not that different, Christianity changes the scripture and Islam changes the interpretation

[hallow tendon]

Yeah. more slander about corruption of NT. Even not a claim just a slander.

[manic juniper]

I'm not saying the changes are significant

In fact I think it's mostly fine

[hallow tendon]

OK. Can you imagine what happens with Greek after it renders into English for example? XD

[frank furnace]

In the context of music, it's different. In Islam, they have nasheeds. Not bombing your ears with music and drums.

[manic juniper]

I'm aware

[frank furnace]

These gullible Christians think it is the Holy spirit, but it's actually the music playing on them

[manic juniper]

Besides that there were little additions in Christian texts

[hallow tendon]

So the point is Idea not a wording.

[manic juniper]

Agreed even though I'm not Christian

It's useless to cling on authenticity when the interpretations are various and conflicting throughout history

[frank furnace]

How is this Christian music without reference to Jesus or Yahweh? I can play this in the disco club, and people won't realize it.

[hallow tendon]

I know textus reseptus vs critical text. former adds subtle explanations to the text. To be honest I like textus reseptus more because of it.

[frank furnace]

I'm happy Christianity's dying because they become so weak

Survival of the fittest happening yay

[manic juniper]

I don't get how having 2,6 billions members is dying lol

[dapper laurel]

They are due to translation errors

[manic juniper]

There are religions with only some hundreds of members

[frank furnace]

It is dropping lower exponentially

[dapper laurel]

They are the true believers who will remain until the end, the Bible has already foreseen everything

[hallow tendon]

indoctrination is not a faith neither claims and lies are truth. So yeah, most people are always in the darkness. Good to go ))

[frank furnace]

The religion which has the most apostates is Christianity

[manic juniper]

Isn't there a controversy regarding these?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauline_epistles

[frank furnace]

Yeah, true believers are not billions of people. Many of them are cultural Christians.

[dapper laurel]

Just compare the Masoretic text and the Dead Sea writings, there are no substantial differences

[finite umbra]

what is the one thing you want to do before you die? (I really would like to read the answers, you can take your time)

[dapper laurel]

However, Christianity is not dying, perhaps it is only growing slowly

[frank furnace]

Wishful thinking I suppose. Look at pew statistics

[dapper laurel]

Wealth, sometimes, does not lead people to believe, because they do not need it, this phenomenon will also occur in Islamic countries

All the immigrants from Islamic countries I know are becoming atheists

[finite umbra]

nietzsche was right when he predicted the decline in christianity

[manic juniper]

Looking at statistics isn't a good indicator of reality, Turkey is full of atheists and they're not counted by their government

[dapper laurel]

So it is not just a problem of Christianity, but of all religions

[dapper laurel]

This is because many are baptized from birth and grow up to become atheists

[manic juniper]

It's similar in "majority Christian" countries like Sweden or Iceland

They just record all people that were baptised and still pay taxes to the church

[hallow tendon]

Yeah. I is not Biblical. @dapper laurel

[manic juniper]

There are more people that believe in gnomes and fairies than people believing in God in Iceland

[dapper laurel]

The churches are empty and the nightclubs are full 😔

We are witnessing a real crisis of values

Today's society will fall like the Roman Empire

[frank furnace]

So the billions of Christians you claimed were right or wrong?

[dapper laurel]

I'm probably wrong, like the Muslims

[finite umbra]

believing in God restricts their freedom. being religious means you'll most likely have a harder life

[manic juniper]

I don't really care about the accuracy bit they're still billions and the same issue affects a Muslim majority country as I mentioned

[frank furnace]

The ascent of Islam looks cool. Though he didn't mention that

[dapper laurel]

It's not cool, at least not in Europe

[frank furnace]

Alright are you sure

[hallow tendon]

No. Not at all )

[frank furnace]

I don't think there are billions

[finite umbra]

who could have thought

[thorny steeple]

indeed

[frank furnace]

Why? Are you islamophobix?

[manic juniper]

I don't think there are billions of Muslims either

[obtuse stirrup]

For many people, faith provides comfort

[frank furnace]

How many as per your calculation?

[manic juniper]

I don't really care enough to think about their numbers

[frank furnace]

That's like putting the head under the sand

[dapper laurel]

😐I'm not, but would you like Christianity to grow dramatically in your country, replacing your culture and traditions? It's not Islamophobia, but it's trying to preserve the traditions of my country. Immigrants can live here, but they must integrate

[manic juniper]

?

If Christians are less I couldn't care less

[finite umbra]

You'll defineatly live a harder life but you'll have faith which would make your life's suffering and pain meaningful. not everyone would trade faith over freedom but having faith makes you less miserable.

[frank furnace]

This is like telling me you want Crusades without telling me you want one

Islamic culture is similar to Christian culture. I don't see much of a problem

[manic juniper]

Yeah I'd like for the opposite to happen, which is already kind of a thing luckily

[frank furnace]

Do you hate math?

[hallow tendon]

That's too fancy. Actually I meant something else. But, forget it.

[finite umbra]

yes, you're right

[dapper laurel]

I never said I wanted crusades, rather the Arabs waged more wars of conquest to spread their religion. I would just like to be left alone, without too much cultural interference

[dapper laurel]

I don't understand the reason for all this victimization

[manic juniper]

They get extra moral points

[frank furnace]

My friend, you're worrying too much. To be spared from trouble, you just have to accept Islam.

[hallow tendon]

lol

[dapper laurel]

There would be no Islam in Europe if immigrants integrated, why can't they accept Christianity, my friend?

[frank furnace]

In places in the West, like London for one, the most common name is "Muhammad"

I think that is cool. We have many mini prophet Muhammad walking around.

[manic juniper]

There is Islam in Europe already

[finite umbra]

it seems he has a 'live and let live' kind of mentality

[manic juniper]

Bosnia, Kosovo, Turkey, Albania, Muslim minorities in North Macedonia, Bulgaria and Russia

[hallow tendon]

there is atheism also. Not a big deal.

[manic juniper]

It isn't, they are dynamically increasing and decreasing so

[frank furnace]

I think I asked the question before, do you like burqah or the hiljab? These are interesting colorful costumes.

[manic juniper]

No

[frank furnace]

What's the problem?

[dapper laurel]

This was due to the conquests of the Turks, who forced the subjugated peoples to convert to Islam, or they would have paid more taxes

[frank furnace]

Choose your clothing, soldier

[manic juniper]

I know but Christianity wasn't much difference, if Christianity became the majority in Spain and Portugal it's because of laws and policies that were enforced

[manic juniper]

Cringe

[dapper laurel]

Then Europeans can emigrate to Mecca and name their children "David", that would be cool too

[frank furnace]

Why? Because you don't preach the gospel to them so yeah. Christians are busy dancing in the church to secular music.

[finite umbra]

its not cringe, he's using clothes as a metaphor

[manic juniper]

A metaphor for...?

[dapper laurel]

Now you are also offensive

[obtuse stirrup]

People have the right to practice whatever religion they choose and it's not up to you or anyone else to force your beliefs down their throats 🤷

[frank furnace]

I think they have Dawwod ?

[dapper laurel]

But Spain was first Roman and Christian

[frank furnace]

It's in Arabic so it sounds differently than in English

[manic juniper]

Spain was first pagan

[frank furnace]

You called it offensive but you didn't say I'm lying

[dapper laurel]

But this destabilizes society... Why are Christians persecuted in Islamic countries? Don't they have the right to practice their religion? 🤷🏼

[dapper laurel]

You are lying, I don't dance in church, you have a distorted view of Christianity because they don't want you to know the truth about my religion, they are afraid that you might convert

[finite umbra]

yes, but its a kind of thing you have to get right, imagine living in the illusion of a false God that didn't even exist? terrifying right?

[dapper laurel]

Then Christianity spread throughout the empire, Theodosius, in some ways, was forced to make the Edict of Thessalonica

[manic juniper]

One may as well be a pantheist for how many religions there are out there, or have been

[manic juniper]

"Naturally" to the point pagans were persecuted as well even after the fall or retreat of the empire

Christians were persecuted but to claim they weren't responsible for enforcing the religion directly most of the times is naive or dishonest

[grave temple]

no its nothing you dont have to be sorry for anything

[hallow tendon]

are you kidding or it is a sincere question? The "truth" must to be protected with iron fist because it is hm... the "truth" and it cannot survive without force of somebody who looks like very devout persons.

[frank furnace]

I'm christian myself. Not that pentecostal speaking in tongues circus clown of a protestant. I feel redeemed.

[dapper laurel]

Pagans were persecuted only when Christians became a majority, moreover Christians were also persecuted 🤦🏼 Diocletian was one of the bloodiest in this scope

[finite umbra]

thats insanity, thats practically casting a blind eye. there can't multiple correct answers.

[manic juniper]

"Were persecuted as well" already pointed that out, also no Christians weren't the majority in some regions, the rulers were the first to convert and persecuted those that resisted

[manic juniper]

How does someone know which one is correct? Especially when they all claim to be

[dapper laurel]

So are you justifying the persecution of Christians? This is crazy

[finite umbra]

aren't popes promoting lgbt?

[sonic terrace]

She needs some Simple Logic v1.0 crash course

[obtuse stirrup]

Turn a blind eye to the discrimination and intolerance faced by Muslims in many Christian majority countries. Stop trying to play the victim card and acknowledge that religious persecution happens on both sides of the fence

[dapper laurel]

This is a video of a Protestant church

[hallow tendon]

I have answered your question! What else can you possibly expect!?

[dapper laurel]

In Italy schools close for Ramadan, is this intolerance? 😐

[manic juniper]

Popes? There are more than one?

[dapper laurel]

During the Roman Empire, at the time of Constantine they were almost all Christians

[finite umbra]

you have to test them. for example did you know hindus worship a genitalia named 'shivling'? thats something I can't accept as truth.

[obtuse stirrup]

It's called accommodation

[manic juniper]

Test them how? They all don't make sense to me

[hallow tendon]

Be more sensible. Read their book a little. If they do not protect their religion it will fall apart very quickly. Force and indoctrination is a secret of successes, you know. Do not expect freedom of thoughts in those countries.

[dapper laurel]

But it's not intolerance

[manic juniper]

No, it was transitioning, I don't think the majority of the empire was being persecuted otherwise it would've collapsed before Constantine even ascended to power

[scarlet harness]

Hare Krishna

[dapper laurel]

Does the Roman crisis of the 3rd century mean nothing to you? You answered yourself, the empire was already in crisis lolllllllll

[manic juniper]

It didn't have to do with Christianity, that's a reinterpretation of history

[frank furnace]

Based on the recent statistics, almost 70% of the priests at the Vatican are homosexual. I suppose nice things are happening.

[dapper laurel]

It's literally written in my history book, now we get to question experts?

[scarlet harness]

Hare Krishna

[manic juniper]

History books mention an assassination, external invasions and the empire being split in 2 or 3

[frank furnace]

I was wrong 😔

A total of about 80 percent of the most revered clerics in the Roman Catholic Church are homosexual despite the church’s opposition to gay rights, according to the extensively researched book by French journalist Frédéric Martel.

[manic juniper]

The fuck that has to do with religion?

[finite umbra]

can I have 8 minutes of your time and attention?

[manic juniper]

If it's a YouTube video, no

[frank furnace]

Huh?

[hallow tendon]

actually yeah. Good question

[dapper laurel]

But don't they mention the crisis of the 3rd century? What history books have you read? Literally the crisis of the 3rd century was one of the darkest periods of the Roman Empire

[manic juniper]

They do, but that has nothing to do with the entire point of this conversation. That's like mentioning what was happening in the Antilles when the conversation is about the American Civil War

[frank furnace]

🤔

[dapper laurel]

But it does have something to do with it... It's a fairly simple connection! The crisis of the third century was caused by the spread of Christianity, the emperors in that period were pagans and did not tolerate Christians

[manic juniper]

Was the emperor assassinated by Christians? Otherwise it makes no sense

And the Sassanid Empire wasn't Christian

[dapper laurel]

Which emperor are you referring to?

There were at least 10 different emperors in this period

[hallow tendon]

OK. Good day or night to all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbwylmj26SU
Good video to watch is better than to fight. Arguing is a sin (most likely).

[manic juniper]

Severus Alexander

[feral river]

not interested to some old ideologies.

[frank furnace]

Communism is new. Let's focus on that?

[vapid hare]

Im guessing most of them are members of the MAPS community then

[feral river]

there are a lot of ideologies more successful than communism, why would we focus on a loser ?

[dapper laurel]

He was murdered by soldiers It was a conspiracy

[manic juniper]

Tell me how Christianity was involved here in any way

[vapid hare]

Is china not communist? Are you saying your country is a loser??

[feral river]

what about socialism-democraticism ? or capitalism-authoritarianism like state-capitalism.

[feral river]

China is not communist.

[vapid hare]

Its literally not real communism smh. We need to try for the 48th time man

[feral river]

China is literally capitalism-authoritarianism.

[dapper laurel]

The crisis of the third century was not only an economic crisis, but also a social one, in fact pagan values were called into question by the new Christian beliefs

[feral river]

real communism is dead after the death of lenin.

[dapper laurel]

Clear now?

[manic juniper]

The fact that I've never heard of this makes me doubt it somehow, it was a political intrigue and wars upon wars, a thing that Christianity didn't change at all

In fact the whole empire collapsed not along after Christianity became the state religion

And you have the eastern "Roman" zombie laying around, as a shadow of its former self

[feral river]

you can have religion in China but rallies are banned, protests are banned, DO NOT AFFECT OTHER PEOPLE AND DO NOT EXERT INFLUENCE ON SOCIETY.

[dapper laurel]

I can't follow your point yet, we're digressing now

[frank furnace]

😳

[dapper laurel]

But, as a final point, Diocletian tried to resolve the crisis of the third century by making several political and social reforms. Among the social reforms there were also the persecutions of Christians. In fact he thought that too many Christians had destabilized society @manic juniper

[feral river]

in conclusion, you can have religion and it's your freedom, even it's respected by the government, but group activities are banned

[frank furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/xi-quickxi-gif-21421154

[frank furnace]

Your social points went up for saying this. Good job!

+20

[feral river]

oh then Xi jinping is a suck leader so my points -9999999

why you think this stupid system really exist 🤣

really funny bro

[frank furnace]

It is not coming from a place of honesty. So your points are remaining the same.

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

[feral river]

please read this article before you say this again.

[frank furnace]

Helping someone out for their misinformation.

+10

[manic juniper]

I stated it very simply, there is no way Christianity was this much involved and yet I've never heard of it

[manic juniper]

Persecuting one group is nothing new, druids also were persecuted

[frank furnace]

Enough of all this irrelevant discussion. Just accept our Lord Christ already. He is waiting!

[manic juniper]

You're probably just dielbach's alt account

[dapper laurel]

They were persecuted to replace them with Roman paganism

[balmy matrix]

Real

Jesus is lord

[dapper laurel]

Fr

[feral river]

mentioned an article which from the west -99999999

[manic juniper]

I know

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Xiuquan

Hong Xiuquan's celestial elder brother was Jesus Christ

LMAO 🤣

[frank furnace]

I actually searched it up. It's a place in Germany. Why?

[frank furnace]

How can you be so dumb? The Chinese Feds will approximately be knocking at your door in 5 mins. Say hello

[feral river]

How can you be so stupid? You are talking here with no clue no fucking sense and continue to questioning me ?

[fringe folio]

Sun Tzu

[frank furnace]

Amen!

[frank furnace]

Right time for gaslighting

+5 points

[feral river]

those people who really think the information which received from the media or government is the truth LMAO

[feral river]

+1000 points for you to justifying your statement is truth and it's totally bullshit

🤣

[balmy matrix]

What about getting info from discord

[frank furnace]

Thank you. Much appreciated. I'll take those points either way.

[feral river]

no problem for that, I always giving out some points to someone and they don't know that's just my shit.

[frank furnace]

I forgot it is all our stuff

We live in a land where there is no private property

[feral river]

oh very good, I have some 🤣

then why you don't have a private property ?

are you currently living in roads ?

[frank furnace]

[manic juniper]

Yeah quit acting oblivious, at least put some effort into acting differently

[frank furnace]

There is no way someone can figure me out who am I? Unless you are working as a federal agent.

I'm tired of playing this game of "hide and seek"

[feral river]

I see, I still see a lot of people who really think we are living in the world which depicted by the media 🤔 but I don't care I just want to pay some game in my PC and watch something in my iPhone 15

[hallow tendon]

I've forgotten to answer it.

For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. (ESV)``` 
The main theme of the song is literally from the Bible. There are more than enough points from the scripture.

[frank furnace]

This is how early Christian music used to sound like.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3N_uLuqGAFc

[hallow tendon]

I do not know any one from early Christians ))) I suppose they are all dead. We live now and I can't lie that I like it. I respect it but it is far from me. Plus I have got no Idea what the language of this is.

[frank furnace]

Look the focus is on the vocals and lyrics. No drums, electric guitars, synth mixing, etc all that crap. In spite of all that circus and effort appeasing the secular norms, the church attendance is still low and hemorrhaging badly.

Then stick with the early sacred form of music. It's gentle, calm and soothing.

Why go to all this end, and get nothing in return?

[hallow tendon]

I stick to Ideas and my thought and my current relationship with the Lord, so, for me modern music only. This one was the first one I've ever heard (But I like hymns performed by Abigail Ginsterblum and Brooke Ligertwood)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjr_EE2j2h4

[frank furnace]

I have found nowhere in Christian history where the culture was driving the religion statues. It is this particular moment in history, we're having the opposite.

It makes us and others to believe that the secular culture is THE superior one.

[hallow tendon]

It is a big issue I guess. I am from secular world and I can not accept odd and outdated music from the past. And I do not think that I ever will be able to. But yes, I respect it.

[frank furnace]

It may not sound much pleasing to the ears due to the lack of explosive instrumentation, but you can't say the words/lyrics don't have any meaning.

These were written by people navigating tough times unlike people today

These were our early church fathers and early Christians

[hallow tendon]

Yes. I didn't say that. I don't hear them and the language is unfamiliar.

[frank furnace]

It's not available in English. I understand.

Possibly there are translations I believe.

[frank furnace]

This version is not bad.

[hallow tendon]

Abigail Ginsterblum has a testimony. She was not a Christian up too the point of the call that's why I trust her. I trust her and I like her voice and performances. It is important to me. A lot of thing are still too new to me but I'm definitely not ready to seek for new styles in hymns. And I did hear Catholic and Othodox choirs and Catholic music like Deutche requiem way back, but it did not save me. We still people from culture. Even language is a part of the culture.

[vestal grove]

do you agree with Ali Shariati?
like do you agree with him about modernising islam?

[cedar oar]

https://tenor.com/view/social-credit-social-credit-score-credit-score-score-china-gif-23125701

[frank furnace]

Oh wait did you hear Christian Death Metal. Your soul will leave you to hell out of fear.

[frank furnace]

"Lootbox" clown avatars. Are we all getting clowned?

[vestal grove]

yes

[thorny steeple]

yep sometimes

[pearl cypress]

How so

[vestal grove]

can you give me an example of the things you agree with him on?

[hallow tendon]

After my testimony I've heard only "In Christ Alone", Abigail Ginsterblum's hymns and Brooke Ligertwood's. May be some more hymns alike. So - No Idea what is "Christian Death Metal" but it already sounds like a blasphemy. Although I will be shocked if you say that this is that metal...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQWFzMvCfLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEaoV9MBZe8&list=RDGMEMMib4QpREwENw3_jAc0YgNw&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGIVuKnfU8A

[thorny steeple]

My friend, I have read most of his books, his ideas about modernization and modernization, taking the positive aspects of the West and the progress of Islamic civilization are beautiful...Also, his ideas about western thoughts, of course he is a contradictory person, Cemalettin Afghani, Muhammed Abduh, Rıza Rıza... you can also examine and look at them.

[vestal grove]

the whole idea of modernising doesnt make any sense
its like changing the religion
"tempering"
تحريف in arabic
but using the word modernising just doesnt make it sound wrong or bad

[vestal grove]

i did read
and i have listed alot of things that got my attention

[vestal grove]

i dont agree with him
do you agree with him?

[frank furnace]

🤔

Hillsong = Meh.

[hallow tendon]

huh? what is Meh. Anyway I have two of Brooke's albums and I love some of the songs but I do not know much about her, so I usually listen to Abigail's hymns and sons alike. Oh right, I like an old one also -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br8c0Kkx6vs
But I would love to listen to it but by Ginsterblum or anyone who can revive it.

[frank furnace]

Ughh it is a shady mega church. The church of Justin Bieber, and the likes of him.

[formal scaffold]

Meh is written to showcase that the person isnt interested in that thing

[hallow tendon]

I see. You know more I see. No I do not care about the church but the song is good although if I listen to hymns they are by Abigail mostly... Or only... I think for two last months I listen to only her. No other music at all... I am shocked myself.

[frank furnace]

The music seems to be good and well performed. The church is, not really.

Mega churches mostly have a watered down version of the scriptures.

It is business oriented, rather than saving the soul, and spreading the truth about things.

[hallow tendon]

actually... I've heard kind of song... that is not by Abigail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZmdjOZZkHQ
The shocking truth.

[frank furnace]

I am not the typical consoomer. Never frozen, thawed, and what not. All of them are the food for the normies.

So, I don't care.

[noble igloo]

is this protestant song?

[hallow tendon]

I think it is more about music style than confessions... And it is more English Christianity feature... but I am not sure. Orthodox church will not accept it for sure, but Orthodox/Catholic Christians... why not?

[noble igloo]

Ah, Im a muslim but Im a admirer of Martin Luther and His İdeas. His Freedom İdea and Religious System is a light for our world. But, like this sounds is seems cringe... Modern protestants are not taking weight of Luther and His legacy.

His revulations and position against to the tyranns must be example for humanity

For this topic, ı would like to suggest a book from Max Weber, The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism

For Weber; Luther is a major factor of modern european system which is creating, thinking and making everyday

Man of Luther is our modern man

But there are very object at issue

[frank furnace]

Luther might've positively influenced the secular reformation, but he did something different to the church. Frankly speaking, he punched in another big nail to Christ's body. Since then, the church is extremely divided with more or less 30,000+ denominations and counting, all around the world.

So, his contribution to Christendom. More pain and infighting.

[hallow tendon]

Martin Luther has put things right. What I know so far he just started to read the scripture and ask questions. His theses are mostly about UnBiblical stuff that was accepted by Catholic Church. As far as I know Catholics imposed laws and traditions not only from their own sources but even from apocrypha... So, as long Protestants hold the Bible first they honour his legacy.

[noble igloo]

You know better than me. Probably you are living in the Christian Heritage. You should know the violence of Rome and his influence to the states. Even today, there are very dispute about pope and his influence. You know bank of vatican etc. I think Luther did not nail to Christ Body, he nailed to the Pope and violence under them. Im from Middle East and there are a idiom on here. "There are charity of dispute" . Dispute is aggrandizeing to the geography

[frank furnace]

The numbers will speak for themselves. The gift from Luther, and his friends.

Do Islam have such an issue?

[noble igloo]

What a issue?

I dont get it

can u be clear

[frank furnace]

The divisions/denominations under Islam. How much are those?

[formal scaffold]

Its complicated but mostly men take twice what a women takes

[noble igloo]

Frankly, I dont believing a divisons. They called us kuraniyyun (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quranism)

[hallow tendon]

It is not an issue. Why is it an Issue?

[noble igloo]

Im just believing Qur'an

[formal scaffold]

2/3 to the wife and the rest to the sons and daughters

[obtuse swift]

alhamdulillah

[noble igloo]

But ım not giving a exact number but with minor there are 30.000+

Our divisions are just a way of terrorism

like i said, ı dont accept a message or way without quran.

[formal scaffold]

Erdogan.exe has stopped working

[frank furnace]

Not what I meant. This is dowry. I'm referring to divisions like Sunni, Shia, etc

[noble igloo]

They are Sunni

[frank furnace]

One that I mentioned, infighting and different interpretation of the scriptures.

[noble igloo]

different interpretation of the scriptures isnt a problem ı think. One message has a different meanings for different geogprahics and different peoples. German man can understand a message different than a nigerian people and it is not a issue ı think

[frank furnace]

As always, my numbers are short and low.

[noble igloo]

For example, You christians cant understand the message of one man can have four wife in the İslam. This verse is a message for different times. I will give a example about that

[noble igloo]

my bro said that already

[frank furnace]

Is this how it works in Islam?

[noble igloo]

The Quran definitely recommends being with a woman. However, in times of famine and when the lineage is in danger, humanity has preferred polygamy throughout history. For example, this situation currently prevails in Uzbekistan. Polygamy is legal for the continuation of their lineage.

Even still, monogamy is common in most places in the Islamic World because the meaning I say is clear. For example, Iranians are extremely attached to their spouses.

[noble igloo]

İt is working like that. For example, Malikis can eat all seafoods. Malikis is common on the North of Africa; near the sea. Hanefis cant eat all type of seafoods as a snail. Hanefis are common living in the Anatolia and Middle East. They are believing same verses but they have a different meaning. But they are proper to the Qur'an.

[frank furnace]

I mean the core beliefs.

[noble igloo]

Ah

Sorry

There are two major division; Sunnis and Shia. They are believing Qur'an and his messages and Prophet Muhammed, Jesus and Abraham etc. But our worships are different.

[frank furnace]

Polgamy is rough.

• The distribution of assets is difficult between the wives and children.
• The man can't focus on himself, and achieve success in his domain of expertise because he needs to satisfy and take care of all his wives and their children.
  Etc.,

[noble igloo]

Core Worship is same but in the details we are different

[noble igloo]

You are right. But this situation is just for hard times for example after the wars, famine and lost the balance between women and man population

Because for our century and our time Polygamy is nonsense

But it isnt meaning that we wont need that

And on Polygamy of İslam woman isnt a meta of man.

Woman should accept the marriage

[frank furnace]

Usually the population of men are reduced after being using as meat fodders. The case is, more women and less men.
Shouldn't women have more men as partners?

[vestal grove]

aids

[frank furnace]

Im testing. I know this is false.

Can a man love more than one wife?

🤔

[vestal grove]

yes
its just like having multiple gfs

but halal

[slow storm]

Yes obv don't you know the mentality of men

[hallow tendon]

I just want to say that Protestants did a great job. It is sad that Catholic Church is not willing to learn.

[frank furnace]

I think you meant a good job of doing a bad job. This is what really happened.

[vestal grove]

i guess my answer is very convincing 😂

[noble igloo]

I said that. İn the Uzbekistan, there are more women and less men. And Polygamy is legal. My English is not quite enough to explain this, but; Imagine if a woman took more than one man, this is literally a social collapse, think about human nature. But a man can marry one woman at a time. Appropriate for these difficult times.

[frank furnace]

So one wife cannot have more preference and love, than the other wives. Huh

[hallow tendon]

In your perspective. The early Church was divided also.

[vestal grove]

yes
picking favs is haram

[frank furnace]

Sorry. Haram thinking

[slow storm]

It is mentioned in the Quran to treat your all wives equally otherwise it is better to marry once .

[noble igloo]

Friends, do not think that I am defending polygamy just because I say these things like this; The Quran sees this as legal only in very rare and special cases and always praises monogamy.

[frank furnace]

Defo not much as today though.

[frank furnace]

The Taj Mahal is a good example of how one wife is preferred and adored to a point where there is beautiful architecture built just for her only.

[hallow tendon]

But what for?

[slow storm]

But not all men are same 😭😭

[frank furnace]

All the other wives are buried in the streets. Sad to think about.

[slow storm]

Y men have multiple gfs at a time?

[frank furnace]

Good question. What for all these divisions? 🤔

[hallow tendon]

XD Why pope called pope? How can you explain that?

[frank furnace]

I know women who have ran through over 100 bodies. The OF girls. Do that count?

[noble igloo]

Pope is a human as us, he cant have any property from us

[frank furnace]

This is like asking why call a father a father?

[noble igloo]

bro u cant be serious

Soory but ı dont see any tie between this two topic

can you explain

[frank furnace]

Me neither. I don't see the point of asking that question to me

[slow storm]

In Islam, the permissibility of having up to four wives is rooted in understanding human nature. Not all men are alike, and Islam recognizes this diversity. By allowing multiple wives, Islam provides a framework for maintaining lawful relationships. Rather than engaging in forbidden or illicit affairs, a man can choose to marry and fulfill his responsibilities within the bounds of halal (permissible) relationships. This approach emphasizes commitment, responsibility, and the pursuit of a righteous path. Also Islam emphasis on marrying to old age girls, widows etc
@frank furnace

[noble igloo]

I think lotus wanted to ask this question; Why should ı have a human quide as a pope for this world; Dont ı have god and his messages?

@hallow tendon ı think

am ı right

[hallow tendon]

I see. No. Actually question was Biblical.

Matthew 23:8-9
But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brothers.
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. (ESV)```
These are the words of Jesus himself.

[noble igloo]

what a beatiful verse

[frank furnace]

Did I claim anywhere that I'm catholic? I certainly did not.

[frank furnace]

What do you call your biologicalFather?

[hallow tendon]

but what the problem with divisions then if you are not Catholic? Are you Orthodox then?