🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

Because I don’t believe something doesn’t matter

Oh thank you I guess 😂

[lofty basin]

we believes "chao neng li" the power of money @feral river

[feral river]

Exactly🤣🤣🤣🤣

Chinese loves money toooooooo much

[lofty basin]

also like to store money to bank

[feral river]

no I don’t do that I don’t store money in bank and waiting for inflation that stole my money, I will invest other stuff to keep my money growing

[chrome token]

Well
Search about Islam

[lofty basin]

u let money to born baby money， u are money father

[feral river]

Idk why they are always linking religion to moral and pretend that if there is no religion there is no moral, the truth is moral is moral and religion is using moral to spread their influence

[lofty basin]

well, you can search taoism

[manic juniper]

Reptiles being superior over non-reptiles

[manic juniper]

It's amazing

[chrome token]

That's A nonMuslim and likes Islam

[manic juniper]

?

[lofty basin]

hug and receive every idea and let it go freely

[chrome token]

My bad ...I miss understand u ?!
I thought u like Islam so u wrote it's amazing

[manic juniper]

No, I don't like Islam

I think Taoism is amazing

[lofty basin]

greating, I also like it

[manic juniper]

It's similar to KŚEMË, a Siberian religion and philosophy

Maybe they have a shared origin alongside Tengrism or Taoism since it's similar at times

[lofty basin]

i am chines, i konw taoism deeply

[manic juniper]

Tengrism is more spiritual and transcendental compared to Taoism

[chrome token]

U r Chinese ?!

[manic juniper]

Taoism is very much real

[manic juniper]

No

[lofty basin]

taoism teach u some method help u to become peaceful in you heart

[chrome token]

E.x?!

[manic juniper]

Eat balanced to avoid destroying your body, treat others without unneeded aggression to avoid causing discord and anger

Don't destroy the world around you and yourself, and everyone else in it, live in harmony

[lofty basin]

taichi

[manic juniper]

Also follow the Tao

[chrome token]

?

[chrome token]

Who's it

[feral river]

I rather have communism that teach you how to liberate the world 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[manic juniper]

What I just said isn't the Tao, words cannot explain or describe the Tao

[chrome token]

In Islam too

[manic juniper]

It can't be described, it's a metaphor and you can have other words for it

A river that flows is the Tao

[lofty basin]

taichi train 'qi' in you body and let it protect and full in your body

[manic juniper]

A new leaf is the Tao

[feral river]

I don’t think that’s unique to any religion but it’s being forced because if you don’t do that, that will be cause more trouble and it’s hell to pay sometimes

[manic juniper]

It isn't unique, like I said it's similar to KŚEMË

You can't force the Tao btw

Most mainstream religions require enforcement but the Tao can't be forced

[lofty basin]

but you can feel it aroud you, amazing, everyone has theirs own feeling diffrent with others

[manic juniper]

If you force it's just a dogma

[chrome token]

More examples

[manic juniper]

The wind moving the sand up and down in a desert is Tao

[lofty basin]

the description like poem

[manic juniper]

Like I said these words are just metaphors but you can understand the Tao yourself

[chrome token]

What I understood
Tao is a power can move anything

[feral river]

Communismmmmm! Liberate all of the workers and slaves around the world!

[manic juniper]

The power can also reside in staying still although that's also relative

In reality the entire universe moves

A mountain may look still but there is magma moving below it, earthquakes

[lofty basin]

only communism can save china， i love xi dada

[chrome token]

Also what I got
That tao is an absolute power of the earth

[manic juniper]

The universe, including ourselves

But again these are just metaphors

One has to know Tao but cannot explain it in a satisfying way, ever

[chrome token]

Now
I knew that Allah has a different name in other religions

Tao in Islam is Allah

[manic juniper]

no

It isn't a god

Making Tao one would be a huge misunderstanding

If Tao was Allah, then you'd be Allah too, and a river would be Allah

Tao is very much present, not transcendental like a deity

[chrome token]

So
Tao is the power of nature

[manic juniper]

Yes, sort of

It isn't really explainable

[chrome token]

Ok
Can u tell me what will happen to u after death

[manic juniper]

Nothing

The Tao goes on

[chrome token]

How nothing

[manic juniper]

Should something else happen?

[chrome token]

Yeh

[high bison]

I love taoism

[manic juniper]

Me too, I don't know if I should consider myself Taoist or not tbh

[covert spear]

yo guys

[chrome token]

As a Muslim
After death ..Allah will judge me

[lofty basin]

welcome to wutaishan

[chrome token]

If I do well in my life he will get me in the heaven ...If the opposite, to Hell

[manic juniper]

What's that? A mountain?

[lofty basin]

Tao only thinks about current time

[covert spear]

try using translator

[chrome token]

And what after death

[lofty basin]

yes, taonist train themself in the mountain and have a lot buiding, called “寺院”

[manic juniper]

Death is part of Tao, without it things wouldn't change

[covert spear]

u should do for ur judgment

[manic juniper]

Without death we cannot live

[covert spear]

huh?

[high bison]

Same. I'm just a beginner and I haven't finished the tao te ching book yet. I just admire how simple the philosophy is

[manic juniper]

Interesting

I might visit : D

[chrome token]

Why, poet ?!

[full socket]

Hmm

[covert spear]

typo i meant another studient

[chrome token]

I don't get u

[lofty basin]

best taonist expect to become immortal and live in the sky

[covert spear]

karim is that u in pfp?

[manic juniper]

That's a child from an old meme

[covert spear]

mk

[lusty zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-hansen-peek-hey-gif-5744948

[covert spear]

how old are u karim

[chrome token]

What is ur opinion

[manic juniper]

People are born and they die, other animals do the same, we cannot exist if the people are immortal and crowd the planet until it's depleted of resources

We are evolving because we are born and they die, and one day they will be born and we will die

[covert spear]

idk ngl

[manic juniper]

Without death this change couldn't take place

[covert spear]

how old are u

huh typo

chat is u dead

[feral river]

Evolution theory would be impressive.

[chrome token]

So U believe in evolution theory

[manic juniper]

Science isn't a belief

I studied and accept the theory of evolution

[covert spear]

lol who believs monkey evoulotion

[chrome token]

U believe that human was a monkey ?!

[covert spear]

the humanity started with adam and hawa

[manic juniper]

Humans never were monkeys

[chrome token]

That is what this theory say

[manic juniper]

The theory of evolution doesn't say that lol

Do you even know what's it about? It describes how evolution works

[chrome token]

What I know about it that human was a monkey 🐵

[manic juniper]

That's like saying that maths says there are digits like 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

[manic juniper]

No, no scientist says that

Idk where you got that

[chrome token]

So why I and Patrick said that

[chrome token]

U may mean another theory

[manic juniper]

You're not scientists lmao

[covert spear]

i believe in monkey evoulotion

[manic juniper]

Why would I trust you

[covert spear]

lol kiddin

[chrome token]

Not me alone
Patrick also said that ...and we don't know each other

[manic juniper]

Yeah and again why would I trust you

I specifically said "scientists" neither of you are

[chrome token]

Search about it 😅

[manic juniper]

People come up with the same ideas without meeting each other, like pasta in China and Italy or the wheel

[manic juniper]

Unneeded, I already know that no one thinks that

Just searched and yes, I was right, it isn't like you said

[chrome token]

So what do you know about it

[manic juniper]

? Am I supposed to give an entire paleontological timeline or something

[chrome token]

What about that

[manic juniper]

I see no monkeys there

[chrome token]

🧐🧐

[manic juniper]

Do you know what a monkey is

[chrome token]

What

[manic juniper]

🐒

They have a huge tail, it is difficult to hide

None of those have a tail, none of those is a monkey

[chrome token]

Yes ...it is there in the pic 😁

[thorny steeple]

there are some spicies of monkeys without tail

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/giantsbetta-small-monkey-monkey-backpack-monkey-gif-661165206272321637

This one has a tail, it's very clearly visible

[thorny steeple]

right, but a monkey does not have to have a tail

[manic juniper]

Yeah some like the Barbary macaque have a small one

[manic juniper]

Those are all apes

[thorny steeple]

never thought about something more unbelievable than the evolution theory

[chrome token]

Any way
U believe in it ...that humans were apes

[thorny steeple]

but they have 😂

[manic juniper]

Were? When did that stop being the case?

Can you tell me why dolphins, bats and the platypus are mammals...?

[thorny steeple]

my honest question if monkeys can be humans, why can't rabbits evolve to create another creature that can think like and act humans

[manic juniper]

Monkeys can't be humans

[chrome token]

I have no idea
Tell me

[thorny steeple]

EXACTLY

[manic juniper]

Literally stated it just few messages above, no scientist ever thought that

[chrome token]

Well
Tell me about it

[manic juniper]

Because they share a common ancestor

[chrome token]

Great

[manic juniper]

You can understand who you're more related to with DNA analysis, and find out that you're closer to your mother and father

For the same reason all those animals are closely related and are mammals

[thorny steeple]

wait I'm trying to clarify sides, you believe that humans were monkeys or?

[chrome token]

No

[chrome token]

I don't believe in it

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper you do?

[manic juniper]

No 🤦🏼‍♀️ no scientist ever did

[thorny steeple]

gen what's this about

then*

[manic juniper]

He thinks the theory of evolution is about humans that evolved from monkeys

[chrome token]

That's my question

[thorny steeple]

the point is Darwin himself stated that the evolution was just for animals

[manic juniper]

https://www.bbvaopenmind.com/en/science/scientific-insights/evolve-from-monkeys-darwins-misunderstood-theory/

"In fact, not only did Darwin never propose that humans are descended from monkeys, but the very idea is erroneous. For some reason, 150 years later, the work of the father of the theory of evolution has remained one of the most misunderstood in the history of science."

[manic juniper]

He didn't lmao

Do you even know what's evolution about

Every living being is subjected to it

I won't even debate if people don't know what the theory of evolution is about and keep making up stuff or spreading disinformation

[thorny steeple]

i mean he didn't state that humans were monkeys, did he

[thorny steeple]

i didn't really read a lot about it, excuse me, tell me about it

[twilit sluice]

moonlight218 avoid her not receptive to change and very judgemental.

[thorny steeple]

[manic juniper]

Change of features of a species over a period of time through various processes

[twilit sluice]

Yep your face explains all.

[thorny steeple]

that's what i used to think about "evolution"

[manic juniper]

You inheriting the green eyes of your mother and the blonde hair of your father is evolution

[thorny steeple]

what you talking about

[manic juniper]

It's quite simple

[twilit sluice]

You tell me. You're the one with face. Let's see how smart you are.

[thorny steeple]

yes, so you were convincing him that evolution exists, that's it?

[thorny steeple]

what

[manic juniper]

No, I never tried to convince anyone, I said that his definition was wrong and didn't make sense

[twilit sluice]

Forget it then if you cannot answer.

[whole anvil]

What's up

[thorny steeple]

bro answer what exactly?

[twilit sluice]

I've already asked you the question why are you asking this?

If you cannot answer move on thanks.

[thorny steeple]

I'm just trying to find what was the debate about 💀

[thorny steeple]

where tf is your question?

[manic juniper]

He said that Darwin proposed the idea of humans being descended from monkeys, and no scientist (not even Darwin himself) ever said or thought that

[chrome token]

U mean genetics?

[manic juniper]

Plus saying that would be akin to me saying maths is about the number 6

[thorny steeple]

i agree, that's what i said actually up there in the chat

[manic juniper]

One of the processes involved

[manic juniper]

I already linked an article that says it's a misconception based off a disinformation

[thorny steeple]

yub

can't agree more

[whole anvil]

What?

[manic juniper]

Yes?

[whole anvil]

When did Darwin say that humans were descendants of monkeys

[manic juniper]

He never did

Somehow many people think he did or that many other scientists did too

[whole anvil]

Oh oh so that why debate

[manic juniper]

I mean there are scientists that think birds descend from arboreal lizards called drepanosaurs which is just a fringe view not many support

[chrome token]

Well
How the humans were created

[manic juniper]

If one human says there is a pink unicorn in the Earth's core you wouldn't assume all humans think like that

[manic juniper]

They weren't created

[whole anvil]

No one knows for sure and why do you assume that humans were created by something

[whole anvil]

It's called thinking neither a hypothesis and far away from an actual theory

[manic juniper]

I mean that it's wrong to attribute one person's words to another

[whole anvil]

Indeed but that's how society works

[manic juniper]

Imagine attributing Hitler's quotes to Buddha, the world would be pretty confusing

[whole anvil]

You say something and over time it becomes something else

[chrome token]

Cuz Adam and Hawa were the first humans on the earth

[manic juniper]

Kinda like evolution

[whole anvil]

Who?

[manic juniper]

How did they avoid inbreeding depression and syndromes such as Down's syndrome and infertility?

[whole anvil]

Yea lol devolution

[manic juniper]

Marrying your relatives isn't a good idea

[whole anvil]

If you already know everything why asking others

[lofty basin]

I would rather believe the source of human acestor is alien

[whole anvil]

I don't even know what Adam Hawa means

[chrome token]

I just discuss her thoughts

[chrome token]

Google it

[silver vault]

They were prophets

[manic juniper]

Adam and Eve, the characters from Abrahamic traditions

Allegedly the first humans of the myths

[whole anvil]

Yea no lol mythology is not related to history

[whole anvil]

Good enough

[chrome token]

Because they were .

[manic juniper]

How did they avoid inbreeding depression and birthing people with down's syndrome?

How did they avoid extinction from infertility?

[whole anvil]

Apparently some people can't distinguish between mythology and science

[chrome token]

Who told u that these things were existing

[whole anvil]

Don't tell us your belief. Give us empirical evidence of some sort

[manic juniper]

There is a funny European royal family, the Habsburg, most royal families in the world are inbred and share deformities and illnesses but the Habsburg went above and beyond compared to all the others. One of their descendants developed countless issues

[whole anvil]

I can also believe that I can fly, but that will mean I am insane, not that I m right

[manic juniper]

And the Habsburg had children with one another, but also other royals. So they wouldn't have been as inbred as Adam and Eve. So how can Adam and Eve avoid the same fate as the Habsburg? Given that they start with a huge disadvantage (they're just two, and they're the entire human genomic diversity)

[manic juniper]

They exist to this day lol, people with Down's syndrome are real

People with infertility, deformities, genetic bottlenecks, low genetic diversity, shared defects

[whole anvil]

Maybe will be assumed that they were created with diverse genetic material but over time got diluted

[manic juniper]

This would literally confirm evolution

It's what happens naturally, animals have varying amounts of chromosomes, some animals have issues mating with those that posses a different amount of chromosomes

[covert spear]

im homophobic

[formal pilot]

It's not an achievement

[covert spear]

ik

i didnt say i achieved

[vapid hare]

Blud is innately homophobic

[covert spear]

...

[whole anvil]

Everyone knows that what's your point

[mossy wadi]

[formal pilot]

I was about to debate him, why he's homophonic

[silver vault]

I like this version of him

[formal pilot]

Then i thought it's waste of time

[formal pilot]

Smash

[silver vault]

Debate me, I'm one

[covert spear]

bc u geh

[silver vault]

No shit

[covert spear]

hell yh

[formal pilot]

No you aren't, you're my neighbour ik you

[silver vault]

Aren't there only two genders, what's the point of putting them in your profile?

[silver vault]

Why don't you ever visit me

[covert spear]

chocolate broccoli identity isss..... walmart bag!!

[formal pilot]

Cuz I'm not your friend, no one wants to be your friend

Guys I've a stupid question

What's the psychology behind gossips??

[vapid hare]

Some people just want drama in their lives I guess

[formal pilot]

Not really

gossip has been at the center of bonding human groups

[mossy wadi]

Do u gossip

[vapid hare]

Its for social bonding purposes then, people sharing secrets with each other makes them closer to each other

[mossy wadi]

There is good and bad gossip

[formal pilot]

I would say no, but actually I do

Unintentionally

[mossy wadi]

Those who talk behind people's back and say shty stuff

Just for entertainmnet

[silver vault]

Isn't it fun

[mossy wadi]

Well

Right this moment there might be someone.out there talking about you

[vapid hare]

Bruh moment

[silver vault]

I would think that they might be just obsessed with me or care so much about me

[formal pilot]

That's what a professor from Stanford University concluded in his research about gossips

[silver vault]

@formal pilot is this narcissistic as well?

[mossy wadi]

Gossip brings troubles
U be in a peaceful life,someone comes and tell u stuff

[formal pilot]

It has postive & moral motivations also

[mossy wadi]

I think it is,i have the same thoughts

[formal pilot]

It's coping mechanism to hide your wrong side

[mossy wadi]

I tend to think less about what others say or think about me

[mossy wadi]

It's kinda of denial

[vapid hare]

What would good gossip be? Sharing positive stories?

[mossy wadi]

Denying the flaws we have

[formal pilot]

The more generous and moral among us are more likely to spread gossip about untrustworthy people, and they report doing so because they want to help others. This type of gossip is referred to as "prosocial gossip."

because it serves to warn others, and the report shows that A lot of gossip is driven by concern for others and has positive, social effects

According to Stanford research

[silver vault]

Why is self-affection labeled as egotistic in the contemporary era

[vapid hare]

Being humble is the rage these days

[formal pilot]

Well having no ego will make you an easy target

[mossy wadi]

True

[vapid hare]

Being humble doesn't mean you're a pushover though

[formal pilot]

@vapid hare

[silver vault]

Been there done that, wasn't an easy life at all

[formal pilot]

You have to find the right balance

[mossy wadi]

What would the bot say abt it

[formal pilot]

What's your intencity of ego from 1 to 10 scale rn?

[silver vault]

6

[mossy wadi]

?def gossip

[cursive bobcat]

Word: gossip

Definition 1 (noun): a person given to gossiping and divulging personal information about others
Definition 2 (noun): light informal conversation for social occasions
Definition 3 (verb): talk socially without exchanging too much information

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by zey_lin23

[mossy wadi]

Information

[formal pilot]

I wanted to talk about evolutionary aspect, talk are dumb

[silver vault]

I used to think that gossiping usually is attached with negative connotations

[vapid hare]

Life is all about balance I think

[formal pilot]

I'm 4, together we can be 10

[formal pilot]

Read this

[formal pilot]

This

[silver vault]

No

[formal pilot]

It has a positive side also

[formal pilot]

In some aspects yes

[mossy wadi]

How do u define someone who doesn't get surprised

[formal pilot]

They're emotionally bankrupt, can't express them selves

[mossy wadi]

It's like i expect

[vapid hare]

They don't give a shit about anything? Its called being composed ig

[mossy wadi]

[formal pilot]

Not always

[mossy wadi]

Dam i don't get surprised and if i'm asked why i would say i already felt it

[formal pilot]

@silver vault she's expert here

She has similar experiences ig

[vapid hare]

Your point makes sense too, maybe they're just generally unemotional

[silver vault]

I do get surprised wdym

[vapid hare]

Jumpscare incoming 🚨

[formal pilot]

I was just checking you were lurking or not

[covert spear]

yo guys

[vapid hare]

Patrick Star?! 😯

[formal pilot]

In majority of the cases

[vapid hare]

Pulled those stats right out of your ass

[covert spear]

no my name is yosuf tf are u talking abt

[vapid hare]

Your name is patrick star now.

[formal pilot]

Majority of the people are too broke to pretend like humble

[covert spear]

read ma nam

[vapid hare]

So they flex what they have

[silver vault]

Relatable

[vapid hare]

Vietnam?

[covert spear]

right

[formal pilot]

Imagine there's 2 friend vale and bill

Both are equally worth

[vapid hare]

Bill Clinton

[formal pilot]

Bill organized a birthday party for vale,
But vale didn't feel surprised

He's emotional bankrupt

[vapid hare]

Shouldve organized a better party Bozo

[formal pilot]

There's nothing to be humble

[formal pilot]

Average communist

[covert spear]

is that u

[silver vault]

Where's the chocolate

[covert spear]

hold on

[formal pilot]

Come to van

[vapid hare]

I guess Vale is empty inside if he doesn't get surprised

[covert spear]

the glasses made of chocolate

[full socket]

Cap

[formal pilot]

That's the situation in most of the cases

[covert spear]

3 caps for free!

[formal pilot]

Most of our friends are from equally worth/ equally valued background, there's nothing to be humble

[covert spear]

halal cat horu

[vapid hare]

What about the malnourished kids in Africa, are they also from the same backgrounds as the rest of us

[formal pilot]

No they aren't

So I don't feel surprised cuz a kid in Africa is dying from malnourishment?

Vale you need to leave your country asap

Education system isn't great

[vapid hare]

My country is good wym you Indian thing

[covert spear]

how much ur ak worth?

[silver vault]

I'm not, it's irrational to be one in here, in the country of inequality, corruption, and exploitation that seem impossible to overcome

[formal pilot]

143 Rubels

[covert spear]

okay we could make a deal rn

[silver vault]

without any significant structural changes it's impossible to overcome those capitalist pigs

[covert spear]

i'll buy it for 100 rubels

[formal pilot]

So you think communism is best to overcome those challenges?

[vapid hare]

Don't talk about pigs like that, theyre even worse

[formal pilot]

I'm not pig

[formal pilot]

Hell na

[vapid hare]

Oink oink or death

[covert spear]

pigs haram

[vapid hare]

keep it halal brother

[silver vault]

Yes

[formal pilot]

Sounds like che in Cuba parliament

[covert spear]

ah i didnt read 'they are even worse'

[mossy wadi]

Eating pigs meat is haram for muslims

[covert spear]

thats new for me

[vapid hare]

What happened to Che btw? Did he get assassinated

[formal pilot]

Left won election in JNU

[mossy wadi]

Subhanallah

[formal pilot]

Yes he got smoked by USA ig

[vapid hare]

You couldve said so earlier, i've been on a pork diet this whole time

[formal pilot]

Your gf isn't a pig lmao

[formal pilot]

The urge to cap react

[covert spear]

lol

[silver vault]

Sounds like a good thing?

[vapid hare]

Whats JNU?

[silver vault]

It's a uni

[vapid hare]

They have elections in universities??

[silver vault]

Student union's election yeh

[formal pilot]

Yeah, now people of JNU can organize protest with more potential

[formal pilot]

It's best and most influential uni, it has history of throwing sitting prime minister

[vapid hare]

What does a student's union do? I get the point of labour unions but not for students

[vapid hare]

Are you a student there

[silver vault]

Lol did you read all the comments under the articles that were celebrating their win? People were balling their eyes out just because of all the hindu-hate now supposedly going to stem from the left

[formal pilot]

Some of my close friends are

[formal pilot]

Lmao

Big up to jnu

[covert spear]

i'll buy ur gun

[formal pilot]

Indra was prime minister at the moment

[vapid hare]

Gandhi??

1980s???

[formal pilot]

Indra Gandhi she isn't realated to OG gandhi

[vapid hare]

Is Gandhi a really popular name in India

[formal pilot]

Not that popular but it's a surname here

[vapid hare]

Is your surname Gandhi

Bill Laden Gandhi

[formal pilot]

Lmao

I'm the combination of kamakazie and Gandhi ~ Eminem

It's the best Uni of our country

I wish I could study there

Anyway, main topic was evolutionary aspect of gossips

[whole anvil]

What's wrong with being homophobic? His wish what he says

[covert spear]

السلام عليكم

[scenic violet]

hello~ hello~

[covert spear]

hello im here to help guys

hello sir im here to help!

[scenic violet]

help on what?

[covert spear]

im a helper!

[lament ermine]

hlw

[covert spear]

hello sir im here to help!

[pearl brook]

hi! My name is Lucky and i am from Singapore.
I really need to find a friend from Philippines.
I have some surprise for anyone from the country.
If interested, DM me!! 💖 ❤️

[covert spear]

say it straight u want gf

[whole anvil]

Maybe more of a scam than looking for gfs

[covert spear]

...

[whole anvil]

Isn't lgbtq activism a form of extremism in itself? Influencing children, indoctrinating adopted kids, staging pointless rallies, always being triggered, demanding special treatment, exacting unusual pronouns on general public...so, what you even on about? A valid personal disgust shouldn't be labeled as 'extremism', even if many people share that feeling. What the og said is his own right

[full socket]

it straight

it straight

[cedar oar]

There seem to be extremists on both sides, and a lot of them at that

[covert spear]

shush

[full socket]

I want gf

n o w

give gf me give gf me give give gf me me gf gf give gf me me I want

[covert spear]

here u go @halcyon igloo

[full socket]

Thanks

[covert spear]

here

anytime

[lone vale]

How to deal with presentation anxiety? I am not used to public speaking get anxious easily hw to tackle

[covert spear]

... who are u talkin

[full socket]

claims @halcyon igloo

[covert spear]

congrats

[full socket]

Now I have meaning in my life

[whole anvil]

Meh...normalcy is unrelated to political views. The og said was just his personal disgust. Extremism by definition is extreme political views...sort of fanaticism. Lgbt is extremism, political and all, right? not the otherwise for it to have double sides

[cedar oar]

I was simply saying that both sides have extremists, not that he was or wasn't one

[whole anvil]

Extremists in the sense? And if it wasn't related to him why bending the topic

[cedar oar]

Not really bending it, just expanding

[whole anvil]

Stretching

[cedar oar]

Expanding is a better word for it, I think

[whole anvil]

Doesn't makes my point anymore invalid

[cedar oar]

Yeah, sure. I didn't say it does, innit that way, bruv?

[whole anvil]

Still there isn't any extremists on...whatever side which doesn't even exists. Lgbts just newly popped up, they are the extremists

[cedar oar]

I mostly see two main sides

Religious people and LGBT

I think both have their extremists

[whole anvil]

Religious extremists have been existing long before this whole obsession with pronouns came into being

Sure both are extremists, but unrelated directly

[cedar oar]

The pronouns thing, sure. But I think they have existed long before, they just haven't had an organised community

[cedar oar]

Both seem to hate eachother

[whole anvil]

I am off for now don't want to waste time discussing irrelevant things my main thing is done anyway

[whole anvil]

Nah, this just creation of myuricans

Some different people existed sure everyone knows that but the ideology in itself is a gift from myurica

[cedar oar]

Most things you discuss on Discord are irrelevant. I don't feel like your time is wasted as long as you had fun or learned something

[cedar oar]

Myricans? I remove the y

[cedar oar]

I don't know about that one

[high bison]

Practice a lot

[feral river]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1771860909591339259?s=46

Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) on X

BREAKING:

The Afghan Taliban release a statement on the Moscow attack:

“We condemn in the strongest terms the recent terrorist attack in Moscow and consider it a blatant violation of all human standards”

🇦🇫🇷🇺

Twitter · Mar 24, 2024, 11:25 AM

they really likes Russia

[sour marlin]

They really like* Russia

Because they wanna pretend they are somehow against America

And wanna Support his enemies

Btw Russia and Iran were the first countries that recognized Taliban

[formal pilot]

Well Taliban and isis got a history, they don't like eachother

[sour marlin]

U Really think it was isis?

I don't think

[formal pilot]

I mean ISIS thinks it was ISIS

[sour marlin]

I see

[formal pilot]

They took the responsibility of the attack

And if you want to talk about some conspiracies about isis linked to USA, I'm down

[sour marlin]

Ik

[formal pilot]

[sour marlin]

But I think it's all America

[formal scaffold]

Afghanistan wanted from hating russia to loving russia bc the US helped them initially then screwed them over after they used them well lol

[sour marlin]

Well, if u look at the history Soviet union fought a lot in Afghanistan and killed a lot of people in there

Russia is there ancient enemy

[formal pilot]

Taliban used USA to defeat Russia, then used Russia to defeat USA
Ngl they got games

[formal pilot]

Yup Russia used to be enemy

[sour marlin]

Bahaha

Wait do u think they have enough wit to play game with USA and Russia?

[formal pilot]

What's wet?

[sour marlin]

They are the servant of America themselves

[sour marlin]

I mean understanding

[formal pilot]

They played games with both of em

[sour marlin]

Btw its wit*

[formal pilot]

You can't deny that

[formal pilot]

Gotcha

[thorny steeple]

let's agree that there is no Muslim sect that loves the other

[sour marlin]

Bro...

Taliban are the slaves of America

[formal scaffold]

there's no organization representing islam tho :V

[sour marlin]

Why don't u accept

[formal scaffold]

using it maybe

[thorny steeple]

yub

[sour marlin]

U too

[slow storm]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

using the "Islam" sign to do whatever they want, then yeah islam did it

[formal pilot]

How?

[thorny steeple]

[formal pilot]

Sup Pakistani lurker

[formal scaffold]

I mean they got oil the propaganda worked and paid off

[sour marlin]

Like they were created by USA and anything that happened to Afghanistan was the America's scheme

United State went to Afghanistan for destroying القاعده

But then stayed for 20 years because of what was inside Afghanistan

[thorny steeple]

never heard about arabian propaganda btw 💀

[formal pilot]

They were created by USA to fight communists

[thorny steeple]

it was always made about arabs

[sour marlin]

What?

[covert spear]

.

[formal scaffold]

just after the US left, 3/5 afghani was hooked on crack, Afghanistan had a lot of occupiers only the pure evil would do that to his colony

[sour marlin]

U think the people of Afghanistan were communists?

Wtf

[formal scaffold]

trust me there's no country is perfect they all liars

[formal pilot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet–Afghan_War

[thorny steeple]

couldn't agree more

[sour marlin]

None of the governors of Afghanistan were loyal to their country

[sour marlin]

Don't show me this

I'm from Afghanistan myself

[formal pilot]

And you don't even know the history lmao

[sour marlin]

Why would I look at online sources when I have lived in here

[covert spear]

u indian?

[sour marlin]

And know a lot

[sour marlin]

Ik better than u

[formal pilot]

Did Soviet ever ruled afganistan or not?

[formal scaffold]

Nehi Nehi

[covert spear]

well okie dokie..

[sour marlin]

Not completely

They were ruling the capital and some other provinces

[formal pilot]

And to fight em Taliban was created

[sour marlin]

No

F

[formal pilot]

By Muhammad Omar and Abdul Ghani

[sour marlin]

Bahahah

U don't know anything

[formal pilot]

[formal pilot]

Instead of teaching me you're Just saying this

[sour marlin]

It was mojahedeen who fought against Soviet union

[formal pilot]

Brilliant

[formal scaffold]

yeah

[sour marlin]

And they were totally apart from Taliban

They fought and borhanodeen

[formal scaffold]

shortliban ====> talliban

[sour marlin]

Was ruling the country

For 2 years

[formal pilot]

Damn

[sour marlin]

And then the mojahedeen's government collapsed

And they started fighting against each other

It was the same

Until Dr najeeb started ruling the country

He was communist and then the Taliban came

Taliban are apart from mojahedeen

They belong to the southern parts of Afghanistan

As soon as they got to the Kabul (capital) they killed the Dr najeeb

And also some of the mojahedeen

Started ruling the country for 5 years

Then 9/11 happened

And the united state came

[formal pilot]

Many of the individual who formed Taliban were part of Mujahideen

[sour marlin]

[formal pilot]

And the got fundings by USA

[sour marlin]

Yea

Mulla Omar was mojahed

But may Allah damn him he destroyed the people's life

By creating Taliban

[formal pilot]

They got money in their struggle against the Soviet occupation ~GPT4

[sour marlin]

Ik

Well, if still Soviet union was in Afghanistan I think the life would have been better

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah you're communist

[sour marlin]

I am not

[formal pilot]

I can make you atheist

[sour marlin]

Wallahi I'm not

[sour marlin]

Get lost

I'm happy with my religion

Just don't call me Cummuinst again

[formal pilot]

How's women doin in afganistan?

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/soviet-cat-sovicat-soviet-ussr-cat-gif-21826197

[sour marlin]

Breathing

I don't wanna talk about it I hope u don't push further

[formal scaffold]

"You are oppressed, if you are muslim" Caitlyn jenner

[sour marlin]

Coz it ain't nice to talk about

[sour marlin]

So what?

[formal scaffold]

So get an only fans

live your life get naked for men instead of doign what you want

[formal pilot]

I would love to listen your pov, but anyway I respect your privacy

[formal scaffold]

that's true freedom

[sour marlin]

Bahaha

[sour marlin]

That's being cheap, worthless, unvalued

And etc...

[formal scaffold]

you don't understand what's good for you, let me force you into what's good for you

[formal pilot]

Let em do whatever they want

[sour marlin]

My pov about what?
The situation of women and girls in Afghanistan is clear to all yet no one tend to see it
They don't have freedom, they can't study, go to work, wear what they want and go where they want

[formal pilot]

Why men are obsessed with creating laws for women

[sour marlin]

It's just being alive

But not living

[sour marlin]

I choose what's good for me and what's not

[formal pilot]

That's how it should be

[sour marlin]

Ikr

[formal pilot]

So all the documentaries I've watched were true, damnn

I've high hopes for afganistan tho

[sour marlin]

Idk what have u watched
But most likely yeah

[formal pilot]

They'll do really great in decade or so

[sour marlin]

I hope so

[formal scaffold]

that's not freedom, freedom is when you do what I want you to :/

[sour marlin]

Afghanistan can be better just if the Taliban fade away

[formal pilot]

Eventually it will

[sour marlin]

Insha'Allah

[formal pilot]

What do you think is best to become a devloped nation a secular nation or a religious nation?

[sour marlin]

Secular

Fr im a Muslim

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah, I've high hopes for afganistan

[sour marlin]

But ik secular is the right thing for Afghanistan

Coz they have misunderstood the religion's entire concept

[formal pilot]

You can follow your religion at the same time you've to develop Scientific Temper

[sour marlin]

Because they have misunderstood the religion's entire Concept

[sour marlin]

Fr

If someone is Muslim, atheist or Christian that doesn't matter

Development is important

[formal pilot]

Yup that's why we don't see more Muslim philosopher/scientists in todays world

They think it's all against religion

Back then Muslim scientists used to do madness

[sour marlin]

Hhhhh

[formal pilot]

Currently you're in afganistan or some other countries??

[main bison]

i hate taliban

[feral river]

Taliban is not a history, the current government of afganistan is running by Taliban

[main bison]

i think american and united nation should attack afghanstan and free it

[main bison]

Taliban is just religious terroristic group

i assume talibanians have shit instead of brain in their skull

[formal scaffold]

I think america's gov aren't any better, they did worse as I mentioned got people hooked on heroine, bombed 2 ilse using nucs, invaded a lot of countries and manipulated info to justify it's crime, you can't defend a criminal while pointing at just on criminal

[noble zephyr]

You really think that they would help Afghanistan????

All US want is money and raw materials

Nothing else

[main bison]

Idk

[noble zephyr]

The blood of millions of people is on their hands and all because of money

We humans are a piece of shit

[slow storm]

Helloooo, brotha, how r u

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/D5xJuyrUIIA?feature=share
this are American vets speaking not a random mofo on his couch or an extrimist Afghani
maybe they should stop meddling with other people's countries the UN existe for a reason

[noble zephyr]

Ye absolutely right

[formal scaffold]

keep in mind the math won't math when an occupier is occupying a country it'll never always be altered info, or can't have a comfy study

[noble zephyr]

well said 😎

But remember, karma is real

God will punish America one day

[formal scaffold]

he'll punish every goverement and politician, aside from good hearted ones

[slow storm]

In sha Allah 😒

[noble zephyr]

Insallah

[formal pilot]

I said Taliban and ISIS got history

[slow storm]

Lurker is here @formal pilot

[formal pilot]

I'm good dude, how's your fasting is going

[slow storm]

Alhumdullilah, bs-roxa-lag-raha-hai 😂😂

[formal pilot]

Damnn i thought you guys have a habit of being hungry

Yk how's Pakistan's economy is doing

Just kidding

[manic juniper]

What economy

[slow storm]

You. Make me emotional 🤣🤣

[formal pilot]

In 2022 it was around $377B

@slow storm currect me if I'm wrong

Anyway gotta go, I've some works to do

[slow storm]

Okok have great iftar 😋

[feral river]

who knows that ? they are hero now in their history because they defeated the most powerful aggressor they met, the United States.

although their government is oppressed, I think they will lead afganistan out of darkness.

[scenic violet]

okay fam, let's have a serious topic now, who's in?

what comes first, egg or chicken? 🫣🫠

[manic juniper]

It's the egg no question

[formal scaffold]

both

[manic juniper]

Some dinosaurs (Coelurosaurs) had similar if not the same egg as birds did before they branched off other dinosaurs

And shelled eggs exist since 320 million years ago, at least

[scenic violet]

but where did the egg come from?

[manic juniper]

Wdym, it was developed by early amniotes if you mean the egg with shell

For example Hylonomus, one of the oldest reptiles that ever existed

[scenic violet]

ohh, okay, so egg before chicken, okay okay

[manic juniper]

Yes, chickens are no older than 11 million years

[dull mauve]

Okay so it says here on my name

[main bison]

@feral river
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1047115243500875819/1222170198115749909/416444427_333288076335404_2633688924392562139_n.mp4?ex=66153db2&is=6602c8b2&hm=e474c166cd4d5932cceccc12d98eb3404e13d0a6c3aad4983763d6fb24b69feb&

[feral river]

Taiwan is not a country, but Republic of China included Taiwan, Kinmen and Mazu.

Taiwan is currently ruling by Republic of China, and China mainland is ruling by People's Republic of China

actually, Taiwan is a province of Republic of China, and ROC has two provinces currently included Taiwan and Fujian, and claimed the whole mainland China.

[formal scaffold]

what does tai means in taiwan, is it related to thai in thailand ??

[full socket]

its not thaiwan

[feral river]

nope, Tai is a Chinese character "台" and Taiwan is literally "台 Tai 湾 Wan"

[manic juniper]

Thailand's real name is Siam

[formal scaffold]

ahh I saw some sort of pattern with the tay part like "taekwondo" .. taylor swift ... etc

[main bison]

Then why china wanna start war against tiwan?

[thorny steeple]

hii people

wssup

[formal pilot]

@silver vault

[silver vault]

Blocked

[formal pilot]

Stop pretending like china

Ik you're from north east

[livid jacinth]

can india become a developed country by 2047 ?

[cloud kestrel]

How'd you define the word Developed Country

[sour marlin]

That's something I would like to not share

[sour marlin]

Me too

[formal pilot]

I respect your privacy

[sour marlin]

Thanks

[warped herald]

your talent amazed me.

[warped herald]

you are polite and genius.

[trail pendant]

@sour marlin Need help

[sour marlin]

What help

[formal pilot]

@warped herald my friends before borrowing Money from me

[trail pendant]

Help with good english I need tutor You think u can help?

[sour marlin]

I wish I could help but I don't have enough time to be ur tutor

@lusty zenith can help

She is an English helper and MATURE

[formal pilot]

And she's my one of the biggest enemy

[trail pendant]

@lusty zenith Need help.

[warped herald]

My the biggest desire is to be your friend.

[sour marlin]

💀💀
Why?

[formal pilot]

I dunno but we hate eachother

[trail pendant]

@lusty zenith need a tutor.

[formal pilot]

Dude you good?? Stop doing cocaine it isn't good for you

[sour marlin]

Whoa

When u love people they are in ur hear

But when u love em they are in ur mind

That's better NGL

[trail pendant]

@sour marlin u free rn I need som1 to talk to rn.

[sour marlin]

Send her a friend request

[sour marlin]

I'm free yeah but can't VC

[warped herald]

dude, are you kidding me? I'm serious.

[warped herald]

dude, are you kidding me? I'm serious.

[trail pendant]

daamnn when can you then I need u.

[formal pilot]

Yeah dude we can be friends but you sound sus ngl

[sour marlin]

Yea I'll hit u up

[formal pilot]

With a pickup truck please

[warped herald]

I'll fix the fault.

[trail pendant]

make it soon.

[formal pilot]

Do i know you, is it someone trolling with an alt account

[sour marlin]

Bro chill ok

I'll try

[trail pendant]

I'm chillin u aint quick enough

type shii

[sour marlin]

[silver merlin]

: )

what are you doing here? trolling?

[formal pilot]

Need some topics

[spare rose]

[dapper laurel]

So

I feel very disturbed because I saw photos of my father as young

Is this a valid topic?

[vestal grove]

nah that just sounds wrong

[dapper laurel]

Why?

[vestal grove]

why will u feel that way when u saw a photo of ur father when he was young

[dapper laurel]

Because he was cringe

I feel embarrassed

[balmy matrix]

atleast he didnt use discord when he was young

[vestal grove]

i mean every generation has its own trends 😂

[vestal grove]

u r on discord

[dapper laurel]

He played Atari

[vestal grove]

atari is cool

[balmy matrix]

real

[vestal grove]

its like the ps5 in this generation

[dapper laurel]

Or some video game computer system of Atari

I still have them

[vestal grove]

my father also did play those stuff when he was young
and my uncles i dont see anything wrong with it 😂

[dapper laurel]

I don't know, it seems like a incel thing

[vestal grove]

like in the future the next generation will say the same thing about us playing games on the current devices

[dapper laurel]

I don't play video games

[vestal grove]

you wana tell me u never did?

[dapper laurel]

Sometimes I play call of duty

But

[vestal grove]

well that does it

[sour marlin]

So unhealthy

[vestal grove]

where can i find the water u drowned in

[dapper laurel]

Should I read a book instead?

I just finished

Looool

Nobody can stop me

[noble zephyr]

Kurwa

[sour marlin]

Come here

[silver vault]

Can we argue here

[vestal grove]

where i want to swim in it

[sour marlin]

Suit yourself

[sour marlin]

I can relate

I used to be addicted to cod

[sour marlin]

Sure

[sour marlin]

I'm not sure u can

[vestal grove]

im a really good swimmer

im sure i can

[sour marlin]

Can't

[vestal grove]

why do you think that

[sour marlin]

Coz it's what it is

[vestal grove]

eh
you dont know what waters i have swam in before

[sour marlin]

U don't know how deep I got drowned before

[silver vault]

You said that you support the doing of imaam just because you follow Islam, do you not have any thought-process of your own?

[sour marlin]

I do

Look I have gone through a long journey until I got to this point

I was born in a Muslim family

[formal scaffold]

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1218995937771389048

[sour marlin]

But I didn't use to practice the religion

When I was teenage I lost my believes

[silent arch]

God, how many of these chats exist here

[sour marlin]

Thinking that there is no god maybe

[formal pilot]

[sour marlin]

But by the time I noticed

[formal scaffold]

as many as problimatic it gets

[silver vault]

I'm not asking about your journey, i just want to know if you don't have any sympathy towards those people?

[vestal grove]

what people we talking here about

[formal pilot]

Homosexuals

[silent arch]

I want empathy

[silent arch]

What

[vestal grove]

gay?

[sour marlin]

I don't do that bruh

[formal scaffold]

I've never spoke about religion in here except when I reply to people, but I notice it's mostly atheist who starts it just for the sake of being disrespectful

[sour marlin]

Stop this topic

My religion is not important rn

[silver vault]

Oh well I knew it

[sour marlin]

We are in a public server

[silent arch]

Damn

[sour marlin]

Look at the General chat

[silver vault]

No

[sour marlin]

Yes

[formal scaffold]

will it rain tomorrow in mogadishu? do you know that too ? lol

[sour marlin]

The owner is blaming me for such terrible topic u started

[vestal grove]

ah hell nah no empathy

[silver vault]

How is that relevant

[formal pilot]

I don't care what your religion is, what you do, I don't want you to be homophobic in this server ~ vivek on general rn

[silent arch]

Lmao

[sour marlin]

Fgs I just answered this dude's question

Wtf

[silent arch]

So you don't like gays and you hate them. Got it.

[sour marlin]

He didn't ask about my opinion

[silver vault]

I did

[sour marlin]

He said what ur religion says

I told him idc about the people's lifestyle

[silver vault]

@sour marlin ?

[sour marlin]

None of my business

[silent arch]

You did say that you support what imam is doing to those people lmao

[sour marlin]

Wtf

Stop

[silent arch]

Aight

[sour marlin]

I don't wanna keep this topic up

[formal scaffold]

what's the imam doing to those people T_T

[silent arch]

How would I know

[formal scaffold]

death or chichi?

they'd like chichi ig

[vestal grove]

what imam u ppl talking about

[sour marlin]

Nvm

The owner will only blame u

For answering

[silent arch]

Guys i would like to come out as Muslim

[formal scaffold]

muslim or moozlim?

[vestal grove]

eh
i dont mind getting banned for such questions
and this chat says feel free

[silent arch]

Which one gets victimized the most?

[formal scaffold]

that's hella true

[vestal grove]

thats great

unless u trolling

[sour marlin]

Ok good luck

[formal scaffold]

I keep playing victime 24/7 until I'm sent to blow buildings and babies

[formal scaffold]

I think those 2billion people are all stupid and you are right I'd vouch to help you get them on the sane path

I should hand you one of those satire detectors

[noble zephyr]

🤫

[formal scaffold]

don't cancel culture me blud

[vestal grove]

someone tell me what imam we talking about 🥲

[sour marlin]

Can't In here

[vestal grove]

nvm

Vi vi we wont chat ly

[sour marlin]

Lol ok

[formal scaffold]

I think I have a theory

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1218995937771389048 come here to break the cycle

[vestal grove]

fr

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuJTNoUkHW4

[full socket]

Helo

[deft berry]

anyone want to practice English speaking skills together?

[thorny steeple]

yap

I haven't done a conv yet

even a one

[spring zephyr]

https://discord.gg/enghub?event=1222289234799493140

[sour marlin]

Not interested

[flat thicket]

Does anyone want to do english practice in voice.

[covert spear]

Im helper!

[thin merlin]

Hello

[covert spear]

hello

[vapid hare]

Can you help me find my IP address

[covert spear]

sure

[vapid hare]

Hell yeah

[covert spear]

temme ur name and info

and send me ur face

and i will get u ir ip address in a seconds

[vapid hare]

Can I send you my bank details as well

[covert spear]

no sur its uuseless for me

[vapid hare]

Its for the payment

[covert spear]

okay sir im a free helper idw payment

just rating me is enough

[vapid hare]

I'll give you 5 stars for finding my IP address how does that sound

[covert spear]

sounds good

just i need few infos and a face photo

[vapid hare]

You will get them after the heat death of the universe dw 👍

[covert spear]

okay sir

[hollow path]

@vapid hare you can find your ip address by https://whatismyipaddress.com/

[vapid hare]

I was being sarcastic lmao

[covert spear]

hold on sir

yes sir this site is safe

[hollow path]

@vapid hare sorry, I don't mean to stop your fun

[covert spear]

no sir we serious

[vapid hare]

Nah its fine, you're good bro

[covert spear]

do u need help?

[hollow path]

yes

[covert spear]

anyone need help

[covert spear]

yh

[hollow path]

give me moeny

[covert spear]

sure sir how much

[hollow path]

as much as you can

[covert spear]

send me ur emil adress

[hollow path]

[e-mail]

[covert spear]

okay sir hold on

i sent 3 bucks sir

3 dollars

can u rate me sir?

[vapid hare]

Speed wants you to send at least 10 buckaroos, then he'll rate you

[hollow path]

yes

you are right

[covert spear]

sir i only have 4 bucks left

[hollow path]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-24688521

[vapid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-perms-discord-gif-discord-permissions-no-perms-gif-19575106

[hollow path]

I rated you

[vapid hare]

Do an organ harvesting operation

[covert spear]

sir i sent 4 fine?

[covert spear]

rate out of 5

[hollow path]

yes

i did

[covert spear]

okay how much?

[hollow path]

same as money you sent me

[covert spear]

sir can u use translator? please

u rate 7?

[hollow path]

did u send me 7?

[covert spear]

yes

[hollow path]

yes

I rated 7

[covert spear]

okay

[vapid hare]

He would've given you 10 stars if you gave him 10 dollars helper @covert spear

[hollow path]

absolutely

[covert spear]

no thx 10 out of 5 isnt my need

[hollow path]

https://tenor.com/view/glitch-stars-space-gif-16982964

[vapid hare]

More stars is better

[covert spear]

nope sir idw 10/5

[toxic goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/glitch-stars-space-gif-16982964

Panjang panjang

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/901838746666803240.gif?size=32

[feral river]

Because they are part of China, literally.

Just like a rival government in a civil war

Actually it’s a civil war and it was never signed any formal agreements to stop the war

So actually we are in a middle of civil war

[lusty zenith]

What why

[lusty zenith]

Go to #📚｜english-questions . But I'm at work so I probably can't help you often. I got work everyday

[lofty axle]

Literally

Anyways i just changed my avatar to some random picture in tiktok what do you all think?

They caught me off guard btw

[sour marlin]

Is it a question to be asked in serious chat?

[lofty axle]

Uh yes..?

[sour marlin]

No?

[lofty axle]

I was serious

Bro just fed me up with some of the insecurities

[sour marlin]

Who?

[lofty axle]

me

[sour marlin]

U r insecure?

[lofty axle]

not really