🧠｜serious-chat

[formal pilot]

@thorny steeple can I say that bihari ____

[covert spear]

begginer chat is dead

[thorny steeple]

save me from tards

[dull valley]

Sao Paulo Has many population

[formal pilot]

[sudden glade]

nah bro im not in haryana

[dull valley]

Delhi is actually the second largest city bruh

[versed rain]

whereis haryana?

[dull valley]

Sao Paulo (Population: 21,846,507)

[formal pilot]

Afghanistan

[dull valley]

NO ITS IN OHIO

[sudden glade]

brau its in dubia ik

i live in haryana

[versed rain]

Sjsjsj, Does can they use internet who lives in Afghanistan?

[formal pilot]

Bihar = Ohio
up = Florida

[thorny steeple]

gonna stream something idk what , from Melbourne

[sudden glade]

no please show me yours 👉 👈

[formal pilot]

Ig yes, Taliban is really active on Twitter

[sudden glade]

most feminine woman from bihar

[dull valley]

LOL

[formal pilot]

Australia??

[versed rain]

If they saw your message you won't be in the World.

Sjsjsj

[sudden glade]

[versed rain]

Jajajaja

[dull valley]

Why did the bicycle collapse?

[formal pilot]

German??

[versed rain]

Turkey

[dull valley]

Guys why did the bicycle collapse

[dull valley]

no it was tyred

[formal pilot]

Don't know, why?

[sudden glade]

it was not stolen

[dull valley]

it was tyred

[versed rain]

We generally use jaja

or sj

[formal pilot]

Gotcha

[dull valley]

what music do bubble hate?

[versed rain]

I know

[sudden glade]

we use jaja to keep people away

[formal pilot]

I'm planning to visit turkey, just waiting for going bald

[dull valley]

what music do bubbles hate?

[sudden glade]

i hate all music, I am bubble

[dull valley]

pop music

[formal pilot]

What?

[dull valley]

pop music

why did the bullet lost his job?

[formal pilot]

Is it male or female?

[sudden glade]

it was fired

[dull valley]

bruh

[covert spear]

im a walmart bag

[dull valley]

Why did the hairdresser win the race?

[formal pilot]

Cuz it killed jhon f Kennedy

Guys it's serious chat

[covert spear]

.

[dull valley]

Why did the hairdresser win the race?

[sudden glade]

bro doing jokes in #🧠｜serious-chat

[dull valley]

because he knew a shortcut

ok i will stop

[formal pilot]

Let's go to #🫂｜beginner-chat

[dull valley]

why bruh its for begginer

beginner*

[sudden glade]

im expert

my mother tongue is C++

[dull valley]

MY MOTHER IS THE MOTHER OF C++

[sudden glade]

don say its C

[covert spear]

guys why u talking abt porggraming lol

[sudden glade]

its a language

[covert spear]

its a proggraming language

[sudden glade]

int main() { fflush(stdout); }

[covert spear]

nah i dont know muh abt it

<doctype>

[sudden glade]

HTML is not a PROGRAMMING language

[covert spear]

html + css + js making a language

a compliation for a good website

[vestal grove]

those are basic

[covert spear]

and?

basic but important

https://tenor.com/view/pov-pov-you-beat-it-to-the-skibidi-toilet-skibidi-toilet-skibidi-dab-dab-yes-yes-openhiemer-gif-16397030071831290676

[dull valley]

are you talking about programming language?

i know javascript

[thorny steeple]

find it and share it to rest of us for free

im doing this for free , you have no idea the physical and mental toll its taken on me , now its your turn

[dull valley]

yes i am 10

[thorny steeple]

plz help me here , help me for free

[dull valley]

but im learning javascript for fun

[thorny steeple]

dont even want to sell it , want it given out for free

[shut iris]

How’s the kiwi accent?

[dull valley]

OH WAIT SORRY IM LEARNING PYTHON

[shut iris]

🥝

[dull valley]

PYHTON

[thorny steeple]

brah , ive got the biggest target painted on my , im safe ..... just need your help

doing this for free .... as usual .

sick of being a nice guy in the internet , then have all these games played on me

thanks English server .

just a guy that likes helping people , for free

[shut iris]

Welcome to the internet 😂

[thorny steeple]

ikr

[shut iris]

What are you even doing anyways

[thorny steeple]

helping you guys

for free

[shut iris]

With what?

[thorny steeple]

listen to music

[shut iris]

YouTube exists

So does Spotify

[thorny steeple]

did u not watch my stream ?

https://wealthdnacode.com/text/index_ctrl.php

[shut iris]

No and I don’t care to

[thorny steeple]

someone buy it then share it on internet

[shut iris]

The only reason why I’m here is because I’m waiting for this sh!tty lab to be done

[thorny steeple]

for free

big fan of piracy js

yarrrhh sailed the seven seas

[severe timber]

dont you guys think that we start to value our place like our culture language when we move to another side of the world

[thorny steeple]

ive helped enough , now its up to you tards

do it for free and share it plz

over and out

hi

I don't understand too much what you are saying. Can you describe it for me?

[covert raptor]

You wouldn't get it. The truth of the world is only understood by the few.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, so do you get it?

[covert spear]

here

[slow storm]

What's up

[covert spear]

guys why beginner chat disappeared

bruh i got banned..

[thorny steeple]

why?

[formal pilot]

Click on text channel

[shut iris]

It’s still there

[covert spear]

yo

[covert spear]

wdym?

[covert spear]

it wasnt a ban

both chats are died 💀

u mean al-israa wa al-almir3aj

[covert raptor]

Whatever the way you scribble it in Arabic. All means the same to me.

[manic kiln]

Hey, guys! Are there people from South America? I need little help with my cultural research for the university project.

[formal pilot]

Lmao, please don't do this

[sudden glade]

he yo

[formal pilot]

That's was embarrassing

[swift fern]

may i ask guys

what is the different between these 3 words:
contemplate
accommodate
compregand

i think they have the same meaning in my language.
but i dont know when can i use each one

[upbeat mason]

1.) Contemplate means to think deeply or carefully about something, often with a focus on understanding or considering it thoroughly.
Ex : He sat quietly in the garden, contemplating the meaning of life.
2.) Accommodate means to provide lodging or make room for someone or something. It can also mean to adapt or adjust to suit a particular purpose or need.
Ex : The hotel can accommodate up to 200 guests. OR We need to accommodate the new requirements in our plan.
3.) Comprehend means to understand something fully or grasp the meaning or significance of it.
Ex : It took me a while to comprehend the complexity of the situation. OR She couldn't comprehend why he would do such a thing.

[covert raptor]

Look, I'm not from South America. Our Papa, the current overseer and shepard of the only one true Church, Francis hails from Argentina. Regardless, we have a lot of connections in South America for centuries. I can't give a fixed number because those numbers overflow.

Does the university have a collaboration treaty with The Holy See?

The spirit of others may be weak, but we're willing.

We're all children of God.

May God bless us all abundantly.

[thorny steeple]

For future reference, this sort of question is far better asked in #📚｜english-questions because there are people like me who regularly check that channel out in order to help learners.

[versed rain]

Hmm, why?

@sudden glade If you rate turks between 1 and 10, what do you rate?

[sudden glade]

i have no idea

i hate humans in general tho

[swift fern]

wow your are the best
thank you

[swift fern]

can i use accommodate as prepare.
ex, what are the accommodation for the trip tomorrow.

accommodates *

[queen egret]

Hey, now it's really a serious question. Girlfriend or video games?

[thorny steeple]

@thorny karma choose
me or video game

[upbeat mason]

They're related but not interchangeable in all contexts, Like For your example : What are the accommodations for the trip tomorrow? is perfect rather than using prepare. However, if you want to ask about the preparations for the trip, you might phrase it as "What preparations have been made for the trip tomorrow?"

[abstract cypress]

I mean the guy you're talking to would think you asked where you're gonna stay for tomorrow

[swift fern]

so in this case is better use preparation?

[slow storm]

Hi
Hru

[swift fern]

we cant say accommodation (s)
with s yes?
because it is noun and we cant make it plural

like information

[covert raptor]

I'm heartbroken of the recent advancements. We have come so far, and adapted to drastic changes.

AI is knocking at our doors. Her name Lilith, and she wants be your girlfriend. The thing is she doesn't die, and is always available on the press of a button.

Would you embrace her? An AI girlfriend?

[swift fern]

so if i want to use accommodate in this example how can i use it in perfect way?

[upbeat mason]

Accommodation is indeed a noun, but it can be made plural by adding an "s" to it. In fact, "accommodations" is the plural form of accommodation. you can certainly use "accommodations" with an "s" to refer to more than one accommodation. We use "accommodations" when referring to specific places to stay, especially when there are different options or types involved. while "information" is abstract and uncountable , so singular.

[thorny steeple]

+and she won't t leave you like others

[covert raptor]

Exactly. I'm afraid.

That way he will have both video games and the girlfriend. Side by side. On the screen.

[thorny steeple]

+she won't ask u to buy anything

money saved 💯

[covert raptor]

Absolutely.

You can use that money to buy the latest hot video games. And of course get new hardware to run these explosive games.

He's saved from trouble and family.

[shell lily]

well just your Wikipidia resource took me too much time to decipher lol, and I got tired already because ur blind, you think differently and what I know and my resources say the opposite thing that you say so im not gonna get into this vicious cycle again. the funny thing is u speak like u were there already, I sometimes stay quite and say things without trying to say its definitely right since I already see today's history being fabricated in front of my eyes, but u got guts and think that u own history lol all what u said I didn't find in the history idk where u come up with those but I looked them up yet didn't find ig they are some biased persian documents so I'm not gonna comment.
Prophet troops raped women and killed innocent civilians lol thats funny ngl.

[thorny steeple]

+she always side by side of the screen while u r gaming

for motivation purposes,yk

[thorny steeple]

indeed

• she won't ever ask you to marry her

[covert raptor]

You are right.

She is the biggest cheerleader. He will be winning all the games.

[thorny steeple]

perfect gf 💯

[thick quiver]

guys is this the serious chat rly

[thick quiver]

desappointing

[thorny steeple]

we are talking about the advantage and dis- advantage of having an ai gf

[covert raptor]

Where did he go? He doesn't seem to like our answers. Mr. Heisenberg

[thorny steeple]

we can change the topic

[thick quiver]

aaa i misunderstood sry

[thick quiver]

nah it's good

[thorny steeple]

i think he might be thinking about replacing hus real life gf with an ai one
after seeing the benefits of Having an ai gf

[torpid stream]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-arlecchino-fatui-gif-3806758570580074438

[thorny steeple]

have not played genshin impact for a long time

good old days

[covert raptor]

That is tragic. Indeed, if that is the case. We don't wanna lose him.

He's been drawn to AI girls so quickly. Extremely addictive.

We need to pray for his soul.

[thorny steeple]

[torpid stream]

Why not you play it again

[thorny steeple]

boring

[torpid stream]

I see

[thorny steeple]

i was at ar 41

i had exams and i never downloaded it again

it's a good game though tbh

the graphics especially

[torpid stream]

And the lore

[sudden glade]

no serious

chat

[thorny steeple]

I hate it most of the time because I'm a very serious person, I want to be a funny person who makes a joke of everything, but I'm a very serious person. 🥲

oi Angelina

Brooo my dumbass logged out of discord then when I tried my to log back in I realized I forgor my password and when I tried to login with my mail i realized I forgot that password too

It was sooo annoying omg

[thorny steeple]

wassup pookie

Since when did they put a timer in genreal

Oh this is serious chat

[manic juniper]

Laulu

[static pivot]

@thorny steeple hello

[thorny steeple]

[undone lodge]

Hello there, i´m new around here ..

[young oriole]

Hello, Me too

[undone lodge]

Hi, how are you? Im trying to understand how this works...

Is there a place to practice conversation?

[hidden merlin]

Well, technically all rooms are designed for that, so you just have to fit in a conversation

[covert raptor]

After leading a mass and passionately giving sermons, I thought of writing a short piece. I am willing to hold my feet to the fire for better discernment, the Church's, and God's sake.

https://deepzero.substack.com/p/the-modern-strangling-of-discourse
No, it is not the ninety-five theses that Luther nailed to the church door. It is much more honest work than that.
May God shine his gracious light upon us. For then, we can see.

[grave temple]

I don't see the relevancy of "this" with everything that was said beforehand. Maybe you confused this channel with another one about religion?

[formal pilot]

[swift fern]

sorry. but is comprehend the same meaning with realize?

[feral river]

maybe, I believe I'm the god and god bless me. ❤️

[vast moss]

your problem is forgot your password 😭
nexti time, take a note all your passwords

[formal pilot]

Lmao stop treating serious chat like it's general/ beginner

[lusty zenith]

We like to break rules

[thorny steeple]

lets start some serious topic.

[sour marlin]

Why do u try to be funny

I think being serious is better than staying funny

[formal pilot]

Damnn @thorny steeple is speaking faccs

I can't believe it

[covert raptor]

The rest are fruit loops. Those scary dragons are dumplings.

[formal pilot]

think the epitome of seriousness lies in joy fullness

If you're being serious and rational you'll understand we are nothing, we are a mere speck of dust in the vacuum of space and to the gargantuan universe we don't even exist, our destiny, our dreams, and our philosophically invented purposes are all meaningless, all of our collective values, philosophies, data and history, didn't, doesn't, and won't mean anything ever, we are simply narcissistic living organisms that fight for survival in an ever dying world.

We don't matter in the grand scheme of universe.

We only matter at consciousness level to our individuality and it's limited, in few years it'll be gone permanently, so if you're being serious you'll be joyful and enjoy the life at fullest

And trying to be funny is a branch of joyfulness

[waxen marsh]

hi

[waxen marsh]

hi

[sour marlin]

Hmmm understandable

Tbh being serious is better because u will be respected

And I think u will have a different vision to everything

I have seen a lot of people who are serious but trying to be funny

Then they look like jerks

[feral river]

😂😂😂 you are questioning without proof

That’s why I said, it’s all pointless for your god or my god, because you can’t proof it, your proof is from the belief of the god

And I’m not his children 🤣 this is the most ridiculous because you think he’s a authoritarian leader so his people is his children

What if I’m your boss and can you call me father 😂😂😂😂

And I would reassert that I’m the god since you can’t proof that I’m not, and your god is not the god, my god is the true god because based on your own logic.

Now serious chat is more stupid than before

And another thing, Xi jinping’s iron fist is to crack down the basters who wants to using some stupid useless statement to justify the excuse to fight against the Chinese nation😂 and it worked properly

I don’t even think america need some useless people who creating stupid statements to justify the excuse to fight against America, they did much more than us, like drop some tons of democracy

I think we have a consensus at this point

[brisk wind]

Im looking for a swedish friend.

please ping me.

[obtuse kernel]

Guys, I'm looking for a responsible person for the position of head of the European department of a design studio. If you fit the parameters and want to try something new, write in private messages

[cedar oar]

Is it just me, or have there been many cases of people offering jobs here?

[thorny steeple]

There's been a lot of nonsense in general. Spam for days. It's all across popular Discord servers, it seems. Par for the course, I guess.

[manic juniper]

Are you Swedish?

[vapid hare]

Should accept some of the offers considering today's economy

[thorny steeple]

I don't think anybody should be accepting so-called offers on Discord. There are plenty of better ways of getting verified legitimate work.

Although there'll be some exceptions, I'm sure.

[vapid hare]

What if it's an offer from Raytheon? food for thought . (as if)

[thorny steeple]

What if one of those spam E-Mails are legitimate and really do want to give me £1,000,000 for free? Maybe I should accept them all, just in case. That sort of logic will likely get you in serious trouble in life.

[vapid hare]

did you know, 99.9999999% of gamblers quit before making it big? 100% super duper real brother, that's why you should continue your gambling addiction

[thorny steeple]

I wish there were free basic Internet safety classes at local establishments. I feel like many people really need that. 😛 #1 on the agenda should be 'How to Spot Spam'. Either that or maybe something to do with scams. Just general awareness, really.

[vapid hare]

Digital literacy classes are very much needed, agreed. 👍

[thorny steeple]

Those would be good too, but I'm especially focusing on the safety part of the Internet. I think there are actually free digital literacy classes in the UK.

Mostly for the elderly.

[vapid hare]

That's what i was about to say, the elderly should be educated on this stuff so as to not easily fall for scams again (such as Indian tech support scams and such)

[thorny steeple]

Yeah. Some young people, too. I've come across a lot of people here, for example, with very little awareness of these things. Hell, even some experienced people in IT are clueless.

Even people in government jobs have been caught out.

[vapid hare]

in IT?!?? what the hell are they teaching them then

[thorny steeple]

Internet safety or security is really just one small part of IT.

Studying Microsoft Office to excel (pun intended) in an office job, for example, is part of IT, but I highly doubt they'd cover any basic awareness for Internet safety.

[vapid hare]

it's not one of the fundamentals?

[vapid hare]

I guess IT is kinda broad so it sorta makes sense

[thorny steeple]

It's hella broad.

Software development, game development, robotics (via computers), 3D modelling, office jobs, teaching, system administration, etc. That's already quite the range.

[vapid hare]

A wide range of fields that will soon be replaced by AI like so many others, which is depressing

[thorny steeple]

gambling is fun

i lost my 4k owo

Not necessarily, but it seems probable.

[vapid hare]

My guy knows whats up

[thorny steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/560242430830575627.gif?size=48

[thorny steeple]

ceiling for some
sky for the others
and dirt for the rest

[vapid hare]

pretty likely in my opinion considering how quick AI is advancing. Previously art was considered as a safe haven from automation but this was proved untrue

[vapid hare]

are these lyrics?

[thorny steeple]

nope

[thorny steeple]

There are a lot of great YouTube videos that cover these topics in depth. I'm not sure I'd do it justice, as I don't know enough about AI to really chip in.

[visual owl]

Don't cry

[thorny steeple]

But, at least logically, it's not a given that AI will take over everything.

[vapid hare]

Me too honestly, I'm just yapping for the sake of it

[thorny steeple]

Same.

[thorny steeple]

it's like there is so much air in the atmosphere
then why do people even have asthma?

I'm going to 'touch grass' in a bit, but wanted something to do before that. 😆

[vapid hare]

Touching grass is my kryptonite sadly

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I'm home a lot as well.

I make sure to go out at least once a week, though. 😆 Usually a couple of times. I've always been a bit of a homebody.

[vapid hare]

We now know you're not American

[thorny steeple]

Going to hang out with a group people, then will probably go to a coffee shop with a friend or to another coffee shop with everyone. Then I'll go walk to my dad's.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I'm British.

What gave me away?

[thorny steeple]

fake Bri'ish spotted

they don't have t in the alphabet

[vapid hare]

No American goes outside, they're all 500 pounds at minimum (jk jk)

[thorny steeple]

Damn. I was just about to bite.

[thorny steeple]

Oooh. I get it.

It's a bonus that I don't drive and don't tend to take public transport.

Gives me plenty of walking. I'll probably walk for almost an hour today.

[vapid hare]

Are your teeth parted like how Moses split the Red Sea 💀

[thorny steeple]

My teeth aren't perfect, for sure, but they're most certainly not that bad.

[vapid hare]

We all know brits don't brush their teeth, you can't fool us good sir

[thorny steeple]

I think the reason why people over here aren't obsessed with dentists like they seem to generally be in America, is because our food isn't typically so toxic. We don't pile sugar, salt, and all manner of weirdness into our food.

But, it's not true that none of us see dentists, because plenty do.

And we don't have takeouts at every street corner.

I'm exaggerating. Sort of.

[vapid hare]

You guys have a sugar tax right?

[thorny steeple]

The UK has fairly strict restrictions as to what can go into food.

[thorny steeple]

Not sure.

[visual owl]

It is not clear that this is because some people have asthma and other don't but this may be due to a combination of environmental and genetic factors

[vapid hare]

Is fast food there good? And is it cheaper or more expensive than in the US

[thorny steeple]

I don't know about cost. I can only guess it's cheaper, because Americans seem to pay a fortune for everything. But, 'good' is subjective. I love it.

I hear a lot of Americans complain of our food being 'bland', but of course they would, because of what they're used to. 😆

Americans do seem to state that Indian food is really good, because it does have quite intense flavors. It's one of our best takeouts over here.

[thorny steeple]

uh,you are right

[vapid hare]

they're too used to their food being pumped with a gazillion different unknown ingredients I guess

[thorny steeple]

Mainly, I think it's the salt and sugar.

It's easy to get carried away with those.

[visual owl]

and it's also due to exposure to various irritants and allergens

[thorny steeple]

Like coffee, drugs, and alcohol, you can get stuck chasing the carrot.

I dunno why I included drugs. That seems to be more of an extreme example. 😆

OK, I gotta dash, jet, bounce, and get the heck outta dodge.

👋

[vapid hare]

Cya bro 👋

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[onyx drift]

Hi learners,

I'm not entirely sure what is meant by serious chat, but I'm assuming the question I'm about to ask is indeed serious in my context.

Lately, I've been pondering something quite odd... And please, let's keep this conversation focused on the question I'm raising without veering off topic.

Many of you might have already encountered this question, so perhaps you can offer some insight. The question is: What is the exact definition of good and bad? Who decides it?

If you take a closer look at the things around you, you'll notice that what is labeled as good or bad varies from person to person.

For example, a person harming another person is considered a crime, and you might even feel sorry for it. But when we intentionally or unintentionally harm other living beings, like stepping on ants or eating chicken for dinner, we don't feel the same level of sadness. It's more like we don't even think about it... This doesn't make you bad in any way; it's just that these things are insignificant in your context.

The same applies at a societal level; different societies, religions, and groups of people follow different rules and regulations that they consider as good and bad.

And that makes me wonder, what if a significantly advanced species find us? Then, to them, we might be as insignificant as chickens are to us. It's not that they are bad... It's just that we're not important in their context.

[IF ANY OF STATEMENT FROM ABOVE QUESTION HURTS YOUR SENTIMENTS, APOLOGIES FOR THAT.... Now a days, people get triggered from small thing] 🙂

[manic juniper]

If they did that then they wouldn't be that advanced, they'd be just as ignorant as we are

[onyx drift]

that's also a way to think at this

[onyx drift]

but what about things that we do unintentionally, for example we didn't kill ants because we wanted, it happened because of mistake.... and even later on when you realize that you stepped on group of ants and they got killed... You would not feel the same amount(or level) of sadness here

[manic juniper]

There is no objective good and evil, if one considers that as bad it's up to their beliefs or what's established by their society at large. Personally I always avoid that, I try as much as I can and I always look out for them, I got stabbed by a scorpion once because I forcefully grabbed it to move it out of the street since a car was coming

If I hurt someone or something by mistake I would feel bad, but of course not as much. Sometimes there is no way to avoid it, and the damage is already done. It's impossible to exist without hurting, and pondering about it too much is fruitless

[onyx drift]

Ya, I think you're right

Thanks, would love to hear your opinion if you have any

Okay, it just helps me understand how different people think about something differently

[dire olive]

That's a really good question, honestly, I never really thought about that

[onyx drift]

belive me, it just crossed my mind last week... 😅

[dire olive]

[formal scaffold]

To me this topic depends to the following:

• loving the self vs loving other (sympathie)
• the value of things/creatures/humans, example based on gender/beauty/uses/rarity and how "unjustice" unfold bc of that
• how entitled humans think they are bc they are in the top of food chain, and the innate narrow vision of humans discrimination
• how power brings out your true nature
• If you include context/circumstance/all creatures, maybe you can have an ultimate justice where you can drew the line between good and bad
• wether you like it or not, there'll be always guidelines that you base your ethics on (Relegion/human laws/social normes/innate common sense....)

that's my 2 cents

[onyx drift]

And your 2 cents mean a lot, loved this answer, especially 5th one... and I think thats what most of the communities are trying right now... but interesting

[honest kestrel]

This question should be asked to a philosophy group; it is philosophy that deals with such things

[onyx drift]

is there any specific group you know?

[honest kestrel]

Nope, but I can say that first before your question you need to understand what truth is, the same sophists believed that everyone has their own truth, while Socrates believed that all this is subjective truth, and real, objective truth, which will always be unchanged and one, which is why he was the enemy of the sophists

[formal scaffold]

I think the 5th one might also be harsh, since people try to push the concept of power and never wanna add it to the equation, or the fact that humans are part of the food chain but they have intellect and conscience enough to not be acting like mindless animal and get consumed by power (so they can exercise their right to be part of the food chain while being empathetic toward the food chain), that humans should have a set of unchanged principle that are constant/unchanging while having others that changes depending on circumstance and context, which is why I think it's lazy to label stuff good or bad like nowadays people, it's a lazy process (I'm adding another 2 cents lol)

[onyx drift]

Interesting, some of the words are unknown to me but looks interesting... will develop my understanding first socrates and sophists

[honest kestrel]

In fact, a person always has his own subjective truth in life, which he received while living his life in this world, which is why he is closer to the sophists, but religions are more similar to the idea of ​​​​Socrates, but still We cannot know that this or that knowledge is true, because it can be both refuted and proven

[honest kestrel]

But I want to disappoint you, there is no correct answer to your question, now you see different people who tell their point of view, the same thing in philosophy, there were eternal confrontations between ideas, you'll have to find your own answer

But if you are interested, then you can start studying philosophy

There are many resources on philosophy on the Internet

[formal scaffold]

@honest kestrel you are speaking Hard facts
I think answers are more meant for precise science stuff like maths or physics, when it comes to sophia all we need is visions, POVs, since there isn't one unique answer, No one seeking knowledge would follow that just unique answer 100% while discarding others, we'd just let ourselves influenced by each others visions and ideas

[onyx drift]

You're right, it contradicts lot of my believe as well... Like I validate something giving all the reasons, and then later on I will find something that will invalidate my current understanding... but will look into the philosophy thing, thanks 🙂

[formal pilot]

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-chat-kaanözdil-angry-turkish-man-gif-22160441

[feral river]

Your stance decides good or bad.

Your power defines good or bad

But if you are not powerful enough, maybe you won’t get in trouble if you follow the definition of the good or bad by other powerful entity.

[onyx drift]

Myabe, I think An idividual, society, or community defines good and bad on the basis of what satisfies their interest

[feral river]

Yep, also you can define which is good or bad based on your own interest and I fully respect that

Sometimes we will have a consensus, and sometimes we don’t have it.

[onyx drift]

You might have seen same people from different community fight together, but they become friends when its against another community

same goes at country level

[feral river]

Weak people being influenced and powerful people influence others.

That’s an easy logic

But someone always trying to use some concept to deny this truth for their own interest because they are not powerful enough 🤣

The powerful people will never deny the truth.

At least I’m gonna be part of them

[onyx drift]

even weak while they would agree on things told by powerful one, but thats more because of fear

not because of their will

[feral river]

I always gave out an example: if I put a gun on your head and if you don’t admit that I’m a god then you will die so what do you choose ?

If they are smart they will call me god and get free

Maybe free ? 🤣 or I just shoot them for no reason

[onyx drift]

You're forcing a decision, this doesn't mean that even if he says yah you're god, that doesn't mean he belives that inherently...

Like killing a person is bad

[feral river]

Yes

[onyx drift]

clearly

in terms of human standard... I don't know right word

[feral river]

It is, but sometimes it’s not

“My soldier do not kill people, but simply destroy the enemy”

[onyx drift]

Yah, you can justify it as well 😅

[feral river]

What a famous word

[onyx drift]

There are scenario, in which killing might be considered as good

but still thats controversial

[feral river]

So I would say it’s pointless.

Good or bad, like only kids care

[onyx drift]

Yah nothing makes sense, even this argument 😅

[feral river]

Adults care interest.

I would use my opinion as my weapon.

To seek more interest

[main bison]

hey chinese mate
Do u where the East turkestan is?

[ember kindle]

Your opinion is kind of social Darwinism.

[sudden glade]

@formal pilot @thorny steeple where you guys?

[manic juniper]

They use deceits and lies, so no they definitely lie

[sudden glade]

Yo

No visual of billa today

He have bigger plans

He knows

Dam he is here lol

[formal pilot]

I'm here, i was reading some articles

[sudden glade]

Articles on..

[jovial vortex]

hello i am looking for someone to talk to to practice my speaking ability for the upcoming english speaking test

[formal pilot]

Something to do with cardiac arrest

[sudden glade]

Oh, why is that, anything serious?

[formal pilot]

I would love to, sadly I'm grammatically bankrupt so I can't join, sorry

[sudden glade]

Me too fr

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's really common nowadays

[jovial vortex]

oh ok ty

[sudden glade]

Due to food habits?

[formal pilot]

You should touch some grass, dude you're in teenage, go out experience world

[ember kindle]

"The winner takes it all, the loser standing small". It sounds rhythmic in music, but cruel and coarse in reality.
When the resource were insufficient, people have to struggle to win it. In that time, no arts, no poems, no aesthetic, there were only competitions. That's the world of "the winner takes it all".
Not today world.

[sudden glade]

Last gone outside: 9 days

[formal pilot]

Not really, it's can occur in completely healthy person

Go alone, find some insects weird animas, capture pictures

[sudden glade]

Dhruv Rathee Video

[sudden glade]

Warrrrr

[formal pilot]

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21736-cardiac-arrest

Allergies??

[sudden glade]

Which video was that I forgot the main topic

[manic juniper]

Also I study evolutionary biology, so far there has been no scientific, empirical proof that we are in any way superior to other animals and even my anecdotal subjective experience failed to find anything that separates us so starkly from all the others.

Every day new scientific discoveries and studies are establishing ground and filling gaps of differences between us and other animals, pretending we are any more special than them is bioethnocentrism and, in my opinion, it's no different than scientific racism, imperialism through justified means (like "religious and moral elevation"). It's very sinister and only demonstrates that we cannot truly operate outside our societal norms.

[formal pilot]

??

[sudden glade]

No i mean Dhruv’s video, i have seen this one

[silver vault]

I haven't seen his video either, his views on things seems too extreme to me

[formal pilot]

Gotcha

[sudden glade]

I saw and forgot lol

[formal pilot]

Cardiac arrest is something to do with nodes (electrical), heart attack is something to do with circulation

[onyx drift]

Right now, It will be too much for me to dive in, I might start questioning my own stands, but interesting...

[sudden glade]

This is too much generalisation tho

You a bio student?

[formal pilot]

Nope it's right

[sudden glade]

Oh you’re just in class 10th 💀

I teach someone from icse class 10th

[formal pilot]

Ig It's general knowledge thing

[sudden glade]

PCM only

[formal pilot]

Average 12 pass girl after giving exams

[sudden glade]

Those exams are over already

[silent arch]

The grind is real

[sudden glade]

The problem is they were not able to find a tutor

And i love teaching

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/padh-le-padhai-kyu-nhai-ho-rahi-padhai-gif-15642960555514287938

[sudden glade]

So basically I’m doing two jobs

[sudden glade]

👆

[silent arch]

Konsi war?

[formal pilot]

That's good

[sudden glade]

Russia ukrane

[formal pilot]

What's your secondry job, if you don't mind disclosing

[silent arch]

Kudos to our beloved modi ji

[sudden glade]

The secondary is tutor lol

[formal pilot]

Wowr rukwa de

[sudden glade]

Otherwise an avg IT guy

[formal pilot]

Btech?

[sudden glade]

Yeah

[manic juniper]

Just think about this, it's known that at least some animals are capable of communicating concepts beyond simple sounds like those of most animals (for example, a dog barking, whining and howling is in no way comparable to the many sounds songbirds and cetaceans can make), yet we both cannot understand each other. If we really were that much more complex then why can't we figure out the meaning of those sounds?

[sudden glade]

You in college?

[formal pilot]

Yup unfortunately

[sudden glade]

Which year?

[formal pilot]

Most animals make only 2 sounds
1)F off
2)let's F

[onyx drift]

Wait for a bit, it takes time in evolution 😅

[manic juniper]

The good old hissing they make because most animals know snakes are dangerous

[sudden glade]

Humans and other animals have same time for evolution

[manic juniper]

I don't think we'll ever understand them to be honest, their brains are completely different from ours

[sudden glade]

Humans are just OP

[small tapir]

Hi

[onyx drift]

someone has to come first

[manic juniper]

Nah

[onyx drift]

not everyone can

[sudden glade]

Yo

[manic juniper]

There were beings that almost destroyed the planet unlike humans

[onyx drift]

Dinosaurs? 😅

[manic juniper]

Cyanobacteria almost put an end to all life on the planet once, humans don't even come close

[sudden glade]

Humans are the one that almost destroying it💀

[manic juniper]

No, dinosaurs are pretty good and enrich the environment and biodiversity, plus they move a lot of biomass

[formal pilot]

Damnnn so they're pretending to be someone else, just for protection

[manic juniper]

We aren't even close, yes we are quite damaging but nothing on that scale

[onyx drift]

But I am glad they don't exist now

[formal pilot]

It's just sad

[manic juniper]

They do, that's why I'm using "are" instead of "were"

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-giant-large-poultry-gif-8085089

[onyx drift]

yah that evolution thing you can point out

[onyx drift]

😂

[sudden glade]

What does that scale measures?
As soon as humans started colonising new piece of land, they literally bent the food chain causing several species to go extinct

[manic juniper]

We never overcharged the entire atmosphere with an extremely toxic gas to the point of bringing to extinction countless species, forcing the survivors to avoid that gas at all costs or adapt to use it in their metabolism (that gas was oxygen)

[sudden glade]

Ah yes another final year worries about placement

[manic juniper]

We are literally a product of their actions, cyanobacteria created us

[sudden glade]

This is something new to me, gotta have a look

[formal pilot]

Don't they produce oxegen??

And caused the Ice ages

[onyx drift]

you might have already heard this, it is just that I am not aware of terms like cyanobacteria.... although I know bacteria

[sudden glade]

I only know for about 200,000 year old human history

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Oxidation_Event

[onyx drift]

thats something interesting now to look at 🙂

[formal pilot]

I'm not from tech background + it's not my final year

[manic juniper]

"isotope geochemistry data from sulfate minerals have been interpreted to indicate a decrease in the size of the biosphere of >80% associated with changes in nutrient supplies at the end of the GOE."

Cyanobacteria have the darkest past out of any organism that ever lived

[onyx drift]

I think its about one of the mass extincition

[sudden glade]

Worrying about placement is eternal

[manic juniper]

Yes, oxygen used to be a toxic gas

It still is to many microorganisms

[formal pilot]

They might be surviving on nitrogen

[manic juniper]

"The GOE is inferred to have been caused by cyanobacteria that evolved porphyrin-based photosynthesis, which produces dioxygen as a byproduct. The increasing oxygen level eventually depleted the reducing capacity of ferrous compounds, hydrogen sulfide and atmospheric methane, and compounded by a global glaciation, devastated the microbial mats around the Earth's surface. The subsequent adaptation of surviving archaea via symbiogenesis with aerobic proteobacteria (which went endosymbiont and became mitochondria) may have led to the rise of eukaryotic organisms and the subsequent evolution of multicellular life-forms."

[sudden glade]

Is possible to be non carbon based life forms

[manic juniper]

Gods exist, the cyanobacteria created us

[manic juniper]

Maybe, but it is unlikely that it would be as viable and flexible as carbon

[onyx drift]

Now it makes sense what you are trying to tell 😅

[sudden glade]

Lol nice

[dapper laurel]

Hello

[sudden glade]

Hey

[dapper laurel]

What's going on here?

[manic juniper]

Humans could achieve a scale of 70-80% through some effort but I don't think we could go past that without destroying ourselves

[sudden glade]

Talking about life and biodiversity

[formal pilot]

@sudden glade back in the school we used to call it seyana (inteligent) bacteria

[sudden glade]

I have totally forgotten this

[dapper laurel]

Interesting, are you talking about extraterrestrial life or life in general?

[sudden glade]

Im that cbse person who knows nothing

[formal pilot]

In general

[sudden glade]

Basically how life forms evolved

[formal pilot]

Dude I'm product of state boards (gov school)

[sudden glade]

We are same category, @thorny steeple is the knowledgeable here

[onyx drift]

Even back then we used to have business deals

[dapper laurel]

And how they evolved?

[grim isle]

we have our limiter.

[sudden glade]

Symbiotic and parasitic relationship

[formal pilot]

Hell na I'm not sc

[manic juniper]

Life is about balance, tipping the scale causes issues and extinctions

[sudden glade]

Idk about the bacteria but the first homo specie originated from eastern Africa

[dapper laurel]

Do you think human intelligence is a genetic error, as it is leading to our own extinction?

[sudden glade]

And then we are here

[manic juniper]

Since the environment isn't as tied to life as life is to it that's where the hiccups and instability reside, eventually causing extinctions and shifting the balance well beyond its tolerable level

[sudden glade]

Genetic error? No
Natural selection? Yes

[grim isle]

with some drugs. we can achieve or break this limit. but the body cant handle this state/level.

[manic juniper]

I don't think it's anything special to be honest, and it's kind of overestimated

[manic juniper]

What

I was talking about our meddling with the environment, I don't think it's related to drug usage

[dapper laurel]

Why should it be overestimated? Human beings have the ability to abstract, no other animal has it

[grim isle]

i thought limit of what our body can do or achieve

[sudden glade]

Cognitive thinking is not special?

[manic juniper]

Proof that they don't?

[silver vault]

the first trace of homosapien's location doesn't exactly give confidence in the conclusion that we all come from Africa

[manic juniper]

Like I mentioned earlier, so far there is no empirical proof

[manic juniper]

Is it unique to us?

[silver vault]

It's just that good chunk of do so

[dapper laurel]

We should analyze their method of communication and understand whether they worship a god or can imagine, many studies say no

[manic juniper]

Animals certainly have the ability to experience subjective thoughts and conclusions, making assumptions and "filling the gaps" whenever the presented information isn't satisfying, just like us

[formal pilot]

Permian was the most badass so far

[sudden glade]

But they are not able to imagine or communicate

[manic juniper]

There are no studies of that kind, plus I don't see how worshipping something is proof of intelligence

[dapper laurel]

Natural selection is not just intelligence

[manic juniper]

They can communicate, otherwise how can they form stable groups? Plus proof that they cannot imagine?

[formal pilot]

Damnn you can talk science, intresting

[silver vault]

Yes, it's just you who's so keen on talking about politics

[dapper laurel]

Because, as I said before, if they do not have the ability to abstract and therefore to think, they cannot imagine and therefore venerate a god

[formal pilot]

Isn't it the other way around

[sudden glade]

Not as effectively as humans
Ofc they can say “hey look danger” but are able to recite poems?

[silver vault]

It might as well be, but you're a enabler yk

[sudden glade]

Human brain is very powerful, we are blessed with one of the best things nature have to offer

[manic juniper]

Again, is there any proof of this? Also I definitely have the ability to abstract as do many others, yet hundreds of millions don't believe in any god

[formal pilot]

||that's what she said||

[manic juniper]

So far no one has been able to translate their language, but there are certainly hints that they do posses the ability to make sentences

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abb1447
Here I'll past my proof of corvids possessing subjectivity

[onyx drift]

I believe in selfish way before my exams, and label them as higher level species that might have exsisted once back in the past(On the basis of sci-fi) once that exam ends...

[formal pilot]

Our ability to think beyond is the biggest advantage imo

[onyx drift]

delusional but funny

[dapper laurel]

Yes, there is evidence, orcas and dolphins have a rather simple language.

Many people don't believe in God, but they know the concept of god, animals don't know the concept of god at all

[formal pilot]

@manic juniper do you think octopus and squids are more intelligent??

[manic juniper]

Post a study then

If there is proof there certainly must be an article

[dapper laurel]

Give me a second

[silent arch]

Make sure it's credible

[manic juniper]

Than we think? Yes, but they're usually overrated, it mostly has to do with how flexible and plastics they are not only physically but also behaviour-wise in order to survive

[formal pilot]

What about their ability to understand surroundings

Like they can see extra colours n all

[manic juniper]

It helps them in achieving success of course

They have to play various roles realistically

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rsbl.2019.0589
Another study on penguin language, hints that they may conform to some of our linguistic laws (such as more common words being shorter in length)

[warped herald]

hello, how are you?

[main bison]

My chinese mate isn't here

[formal pilot]

What's intelligence in terms of evolution??

Becoming complex organism with high maintenance
Or being less complex, divide like crazy while being on less maintenance

We haven't been able to colonize Mars yet

Some bacterias (similar to og Archaebacteria) used to live on Mars

[manic juniper]

It's the capacity to adapt to your environment/surroundings

[manic juniper]

I think those were confirmed as contaminations or just pseudobiostructures

[manic juniper]

I'm doing fine : D you?

[warped herald]

I'm great.

[warped herald]

you are very polite and clever

[manic juniper]

Thanks

[formal pilot]

So Archaebacteria is the most successful???

[thorny steeple]

Hi there, What is your opinion about destitute individuals? The people who are homeless and begging in the streets what do you think about them?

[formal pilot]

Is it the epitome of evolution

[manic juniper]

No, it's about the environment and conditions that change

It would have to be either a generalist or some organism whose specialisation is exactly adapting to an everchanging unstable environment

[formal pilot]

They're roaming around planet way way before any animals

[dapper laurel]

Alright

I'm back

[formal pilot]

So they're adapting

[manic juniper]

Yes but intelligence as it is refers to applying solutions or logic rather than surviving through sheer features or numbers

[manic juniper]

Intelligence requires plasticity and action

[dapper laurel]

https://www.thymindoman.com/animals-dont-seem-to-worship-god-so-did-humans-invent-god/ @manic juniper, try with this and say to me what you think later

[manic juniper]

I can give it a read but that's not a scientific article btw, the author isn't a scientist or a team of scientists and that's not a scientific publication as far as I know

I searched by and large and there isn't any definitive empirical evidence that we are in any way superior to other animals when it comes to vague concepts like sentience

[dapper laurel]

It's the only thing I found, but, if you want, you can explain to me why you think animals are much more intelligent than we think

[formal pilot]

They're so advanced that they don't have to more intelligent

[manic juniper]

Maybe there are studies like those but I truly failed to locate them

[formal pilot]

Lmao i think I'm biased towards Archaebacteria

[manic juniper]

I don't think intelligent is quantifiable, I just think they can't be compared to us any more than you can compare a car to a basketball

They have qualities and manufacture that just can't be compared

[dapper laurel]

We certainly can't give a dolphin a math test, but I don't think our way of life comes close to that of an animal, we've now gone too far along our evolutionary path

[manic juniper]

You can compare humans to other animals but most of the times you wish to get analogies or homologies, it isn't possible with our current understanding and technology. We have no idea about how the human brain works precisely, I read a long article on reptile brains that basically ended by saying "there are a lot of conflicting results and the conclusions are incomplete and unsatisfying despite the efforts, more have to be conducted"

[dapper laurel]

Certainly animals can be empathetic or superstitious, but they don't have the tools to understand what we have understood.

[manic juniper]

Yeah intelligence is often expensive and isn't a good investment

Whales and elephants are very smart but they're not as successful as ants are

[thorny steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1219488060216180767

[dapper laurel]

The human brain is too complex to analyze, each individual is a unique case, can we say the same about animals?

[manic juniper]

I don't know anyone that can build a self-sufficient giant city-fortress like termites do so we are kind of even

[manic juniper]

I mentioned it in the same message, we have no idea about iguanas even

Like they are impossible to understand

[covert raptor]

Enters Communism

[manic juniper]

Their structure is completely alien and unknown to us

[dapper laurel]

I think they did some studies

[manic juniper]

Ants are a very strange of monarchical communism, where the monarch is a slave and the males too don't hold much power at all besides being useful tools

[scarlet harness]

my girlfriend is single

[manic juniper]

Like I said, there is one that is very in depth but the conclusions were pathetic and unsatisfying

[covert raptor]

Nice to see all the experts grinding that midnight oil. Do what gives you pleasure!

[dapper laurel]

Could you send it to me, if you remember the article?

[manic juniper]

If I can yeah, but it's very long and I don't know if you'd find it interesting, one of the few conclusions they were able to establish was that the "visual capabilities of iguanas are similar and comparable to that of humans" which isn't surprising, most reptiles have a decent to extremely good eyesight

[formal pilot]

Double it and give it to the next person you see

[manic juniper]

Mammals are just subpar

[covert raptor]

I don't want to hear more about that ant mythology.

All that heresies meant for the perishing crowd.

[dapper laurel]

I'd like to see it, I'm quite interested

[silver vault]

@formal pilot counter this one, atheist

[manic juniper]

Maybe I should've saved some of my favourite articles

[covert raptor]

Reading this makes me quiver. Someone has taken it too far. Our God is anthropocentric.

[dapper laurel]

Thank you

[dapper laurel]

You took my message out of context

[covert raptor]

They know the concept of God

How did you come to this strange realization?

[dapper laurel]

Humans know the concept of god

I didn't mean animals

I don't see nothing strange with this

[formal pilot]

It's not like nature gives food on plate, they have to hunt, it's not like mating is romantic (I'm not gonna explain otherwise I'll get banned)

[manic juniper]

The human concept of god is very down to earth

It's very relatable and easy to understand

It's just an entity with supernatural unexplainable powers

[dapper laurel]

Sorry, @manic juniper, did you find the article?

[manic juniper]

No, I found a bunch but not the one I read

[covert raptor]

Good to know.

I will pass by the sidelines.

[silver vault]

Yeh, the concept that animals never leave God's presence seems to be just another man-made interpretation of religious texts and cultural practices

[formal pilot]

And if that's the case, tomorrow I'll become a furry

[silver vault]

I would like to see that happen

[dapper laurel]

okay, thanks anyway

[formal pilot]

DAMMNN you're into weird things

[manic juniper]

It's so annoying when so many academic sites are behind paywalls or want your academic credentials

I can't be bothered to enter mine just to read an article that I wasn't interested in or searching for

[formal pilot]

Use Ai

[manic juniper]

At this point I wonder if I've already seen the article but the site changed to be paywalled so I skimmed over it

[dapper laurel]

Everyone should have the right to information, even online

[manic juniper]

Most of the times the authors of those articles don't get any money off them, no compensation at all

That's why if you e-mail them asking for the original article they provide it to you for free

[formal pilot]

Apparently scientists don't get enough money

[manic juniper]

I did that more than once and they always provided it

[dapper laurel]

And it's sad to see that you have to pay for that even the scientific articles

[formal pilot]

We need a communist revolution

[dapper laurel]

Most of them are aiming for a teaching position

[dapper laurel]

Noooo, we don't need it

[formal pilot]

We deserve it

[formal pilot]

It's really sad

[dapper laurel]

Communism made eastern Europe a shithole

[formal pilot]

That's really great, they don't need to build toilets

It's W

[manic juniper]

It depends, market socialism made Yugoslavia very competitive and their diplomacy granted them the best passports in the world

[thorny steeple]

Bro I didn’t even look at the channel I was in

[manic juniper]

I don't like what was going on in the USSR and the satellite states though

[thorny steeple]

The problem is that I also forget then I’m too lazy to fix it

[manic juniper]

There was a fundamental misapplication and it was reduced to bland authoritarianism

[dapper laurel]

Indeed, but it is important to remember that Tito had distanced himself from Stalin, he had not adopted the same economic system

[thorny steeple]

I’m not a scam, I’m a scammer

[manic juniper]

I think it has to do with Stalin wishing for "communism in one country"

[formal pilot]

#1218635314000560248 it's the best channel ever

[manic juniper]

Because he didn't want to be influenced by some of the inefficient policies that held back many countries that didn't need any industrialisation, since they were pretty advanced before the takeover (like Czechia and the Baltic countries)

[dapper laurel]

But we must also remember that communist regimes provide for a dictatorship, upon the death of the dictator those countries collapse

However I wonder how you know so much, I can literally talk to you about anything

[manic juniper]

In Vietnam's case it just transitioned to be more liberal, Yugoslavia was something else because Serbian nationalism was going to take over sooner or later

The USSR would've lasted with much better politics

[dapper laurel]

In the end, Vietnam is no longer a communist country

[dapper laurel]

Unfortunately the politicians were thinking about the army and not the economy

[manic juniper]

I like to think that the USSR gave a worse reputation to communism than American propaganda ever did, especially in the countries that weren't today's Russia because it is clear that they didn't gain as much as Russia did

Its beginnings had intellectualism and optimism to it, that was lost with Stalin, and the successive leaders were straight up incompetent or not as pragmatic

[dapper laurel]

In Eastern Europe nobody likes communism, not even the Russians

[manic juniper]

Having differing approaches and viewpoints was a good thing that they lost with Stalin

[manic juniper]

It depends, ethnic Russians today have mixed feelings about it. Almost everybody else hates it for good reasons though

[dapper laurel]

I have to study now

[manic juniper]

My grandparents think it was going to get better at least socially, even if it was spiraling downwards economically but they cared more about their social situation than the economic one

[dapper laurel]

It was a nice talk

I hope to talk about this again soon

[manic juniper]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2507884/ not the article I was searching for but it's better than nothing

[dapper laurel]

Thank you, I'll read it later

[thorny steeple]

to be honest,you really asked a controversial question.
I've thought about it as well
#what is the exact definition of good and bad?
-i would define ,'good'-an action which is morally sound, approved by culture, religions in a wide range of contexts and beneficial to others (devoid selfish motives)

and 'bad'- things not as it sound be, things that violate the moral principles and not beneficial . so it's just the just the opposite of concept of 'good'.

(a person harming another person is considered a crime,and it should be if he's harming another intentionally.but if unintentionally done,It may not be his fault, but it certainly was his 'irresponsibility'. and not doing one's responsibilities is a bad thing too.
things what are labelled either good or bad may varies from person to person, a group to group of people, even from one generation to another generation. Because humans have the capability of reflecting their actions (some other animals also have the capability of behaving morally,but humans have it the most).
and aliens?
as they are advanced species ,their moral perspective would more likely differ from ours.Whether they will regard us as significant or insignificant will depend on their own moral.they might have a further understanding of the complexity of the concept of good and bad.

and if you don't mind answering the same question.
i would love to see your own opinion about it

[thorny steeple]

Nowadays people get triggered by small things ,yeh

[humble quarry]

Just wondering if aliens exists than do they know about our gods?

[stoic crystal]

I think, if extraterrestrials do exist (which there's nothing to prove that they don't, it's statistically impossible for there not to be other life out there) they would only know about our Gods if they were actively looking into human life. Religion is a huge part of human life, and I would imagine for civilizations like ours - it would be for them, too. They probably have their own religions and Gods, so I wouldn't see why they wouldn't be interested in learning about other ideas

[desert sphinx]

If you see it from a catholic position would be a yes, but if you start to think, the human race created so many gods and different cultures from them, so Aliens could have their own gods

[humble quarry]

One serious question coming in my mind please don't mind it "if no god"

[humble quarry]

Yes

If no god?

[desert sphinx]

So, i think that alien not know about our Gods

[humble quarry]

Please don't mind me I just asked out of curiosity

[sudden glade]

heyo

[desert sphinx]

If god didn't created all the universe and stuff

[sudden glade]

but a book written by human says otherwise..

[stoic crystal]

I partially agree, since it would be near impossible to decipher any language without a rosetta-stone-esque manual. If they could decipher our languages, I'd imagine that they'd probably be quite interested in it, especially if we are their first contacted lifeform

[desert sphinx]

But there are so many books talking about gods in different religions

[humble quarry]

It could be a possibility.but if there is one universal law than they are like us .

[desert sphinx]

I agree

[sudden glade]

Im so black, when god sai let there be light, I was out of town

[desert sphinx]

But think without our god, think in general,

[desert sphinx]

i'm brown so i was a 50/50

[stoic crystal]

Creation myths are the centerpiece of religion, especially older religion. we use creation myths to answer unanswerable questions. I feel, as a human, it would be fascinating to see other civilization's versions of creation myths

[sudden glade]

you in the middle of road

[humble quarry]

Bro you believe in big bang?

We have only theoretical evidences of big bang not completely proven

[stoic crystal]

well that's the same with any creation myth for any religion. none of it is proven because the light from the beginning of the universe is only just starting to reach us. we are essentially able to see into the past because of the travel of light in the universe. isn't that cool?

Personally, I believe in the beauty that the universe was just a big coincidence. it was in the right place, at the right time, in a nearly impossible percentage of it actually happening

and yet, the universe persisted

[humble quarry]

To reach us? It's means we exist before light?

[humble quarry]

There could be sea of such universes

But God says he'll and heaven both are here in this universe is universe don't exist than where sprit used to live?

[desert sphinx]

And what do you think about the other religions that have numerous gods?

[stoic crystal]

not necessarily! it's a lot of math to properly explain how it works, but essentially, light takes time to travel throughout the universe. imagine an endless abyss of glue, and you're told to travel through that glue to the very end. imagine how long that would take to reach even a checkpoint. the farther we look in the universe (aka how far stars and planets are in our telescopes) the older it will appear - because the light of the present day for that specific place in time hasn't reached our solar system yet, so we're experiencing older light

[humble quarry]

Science proved to multiverse don't you check

[sudden glade]

so you consider them gods

lol

[humble quarry]

Bro in our holy boook their is mentioned about it and science proved it now , how it means I don't believe in God !

[sudden glade]

https://tenor.com/view/bastet-bast-goddess-bast-deusa-bastet-wicca-gif-26571063

[desert sphinx]

So you're calling the Hinduism dumb?

[sudden glade]

god in my religion

[stoic crystal]

so, going back on the general topic, if aliens were to look at us through their telescope, we would probably still be in the dinosaur age!

[humble quarry]

I got you

[humble quarry]

Lol but truee

As per general relativity

[desert sphinx]

That's true

[thorny steeple]

[desert sphinx]

and what about japanese shintoism?

[thorny steeple]

math?

[desert sphinx]

I study art, so math isn't my thing

[humble quarry]

This is the reason I guess they are not attacking us

[stoic crystal]

sorry to break it to you, but all religions are valid. religion was (once again) created as a way to answer questions we didn't have answers to. almost every culture has had some kind of God or Gods, and all of them were valid. there is no right or wrong religion, there is just religion

[humble quarry]

What is a religion according to you?

[stoic crystal]

and in the Qur'an, for example, it says "The heavens, We have built them with power. And verily, We are expanding it" (51:47). Just because the book you follow says it, doesn't mean other books are wrong. I'm not religious at all, I personally don't believe in a higher being, but I feel as if you should at least respect other religions

[onyx drift]

It's true that opinions can vary widely among different people, but if we were to simplify matters somewhat, we might say that if a set of rules serves someone's self-interest, then they're likely to view those rules as good; otherwise, they might see them as bad.

Example 1: the last piece of cake not being divided among siblings. I might end up fighting with my siblings over it. However, when facing a common 'enemy,' like a disagreement with the neighbors, the dynamics change. We stand together, defending our family as inherently good, even against others. This pattern scales up to national levels where, during conflicts between countries, people may criticize each other on the internet, often generalizing or vilifying the entire population of the opposing country, despite knowing that not everyone in that country shares the same views. People rally behind their country, framing its actions as just and the opponent's as malevolent.

Example 2: when I hear about a war in a distant part of the world that doesn't directly affect us. The news of people suffering, children being harmed, and other atrocities might momentarily move us to tears, and we might express our sadness and outrage on social media. However, after a day or two, life goes on; we might go out and enjoy ourselves with friends, with the conflict fading from our immediate concern. From a distance, it's easy to label one side as the 'good' and the other as the 'bad' based on our limited understanding, even though we're not directly affected by the conflict.

[onyx drift]

In most of the cases, exceptions are always there, without exceptions arguments can go for infinite 😅

[thorny steeple]

I want to be serious too someone debate with me

Okay I will start

I’m trying to be serious

i want to debate

[stoic crystal]

As are a lot of religious texts, as the bible was extremely widespread. I am once again reiterating that religion was created as a way of answering questions that are unanswerable, such as the creation of the universe or the meaning of life. every answer in every text is acceptable, because there is no true answer

[humble quarry]

The sum of the debate, there is only one almighty

[onyx drift]

@thorny steeple Like answering his/her question 😅

[thorny steeple]

Nooo wut

you misunderstood

i don’t, why did u get heated bruv

[onyx drift]

Go on chat, I really love reading this... from having weird thoughts to talking about aliens, gods, evolutions, etc

[humble quarry]

But if there is only one almighty than ( Please correct me if I wrong) , don't you think all lives in this universe are of same kind like humans?

[stoic crystal]

and we get to loop back around! Personally, I think it depends. If other life was adapted to other climates, I think that they would probably look or act different!

[thorny steeple]

i mean, with that emoji I’m trying to show that I’m not heated

bruh

[stoic crystal]

If there was only one "almighty" then I feel as if they would design their creations with adaptability and survivability in mind

[humble quarry]

It could be a possibility that there's a civilization who don't believe in God

[thorny steeple]

oh
interesting

[thorny steeple]

wiki

[misty eagle]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Your here

[thorny steeple]

I'm @thorny steeplepedia

[thorny steeple]

hey yo

[humble quarry]

Bro universe is so so big it's humongous how can a single person designed it ?

[stoic crystal]

it's not just a faint possibility, it's statistically possible! with how large the universe is, it would be almost impossible for there not to be a civilization that hasn't even heard of the concept of a higher being

[humble quarry]

I'm not off

[thorny steeple]

@onyx drift so whether something should be called either 'bad' or good is based on how we see things? prospectives?

[stoic crystal]

precisely why I don't personally believe in creation myths. rather, we are components of elements that just so happened to gain consciousness, and statistically, there's probably plenty others out there in the universe like us

[humble quarry]

Engineers need companion

They are companions brother

A single person can't handle universe I personally think

It's like I created a software but after sometime when it becomes a big program I need someone who can help me to manage my software

Like Amazon

[onyx drift]

Or in your context at individual level, and if you're part of community then
at community level and so on..... Universe is infinite, there is always a justification for your action.... It just depends how much like and retweets your justification got

[misty eagle]

Before making conclusion, you people have different perspective about god..so what is god? Who is god..then real debate start..

[humble quarry]

Does it matter

I'm 22

Not immature bro launguage barrer

[stoic crystal]

I believe the concept of a God is simply a method of storytelling, a person or thing who is morally neutral as to aid us humans in our endeavors

[humble quarry]

You have different perspective I have different

You follow Bible I follow bhagwatgeeta

[thorny steeple]

i see

by the way, your profile picture*have you watched it?

"the summer ghost",one of my favourites

[misty eagle]

this is so fragile definition of god.

[stoic crystal]

what do you mean? could you elaborate?

[onyx drift]

Nope It looked cool

[onyx drift]

And I take inspiration from both 🙂

[thorny steeple]

it's just 40 minutes
it would be worth watching

[onyx drift]

will try I forgot the name though

[thorny steeple]

"The summer ghost"

[humble quarry]

Good to hear

[thorny steeple]

baii baii
see y'all later

[misty eagle]

I mean, if you consider god as a person then he is not god.human have limitation but god doesn't have.

[stoic crystal]

which is why i also said "thing", as to imply a being higher than a human

[misty eagle]

If u simple say thing.it also has same boundaries and limitation.

because of the movies or alots of story about the god.we already make conclusion, conclusion about how he looks, how he is, This is so unfortunate that we can't go futher about the idea of god

[stoic crystal]

I wasn't- guh. I was saying that I believe God is a concept. something that can't really be put into the facet of human or unhuman thing. it's simply a vehicle to tell stories

[onyx drift]

without the concept of god, people will move towards nihilism, and start doing anything... It's there to bind us together and to teach us that why you should do good if you think so(which contradicts my own wordings)

[misty eagle]

yeah this is true , god is concept..concept in a sense that, the way people tell us since childhood.but at the same time god is not a concept because alots of people experience it..

[stoic crystal]

precisely

[onyx drift]

In bad times, it gives you hope so yah I think you can say... people experience it... having a feeling that there is someone who is looking after us

And this word in itself is big thing HOPE, that all regious belief or any such thing try to tell us

[misty eagle]

Its better to go to nihilism rather than understand the god as a concept..

[onyx drift]

Apologies 🙏 , I am taking my words back 😅

[onyx drift]

Just out of curiosity, I wonder what kind of personalities of people usually spend their time here, e.g. Introvert, extrovert, or more specific MBTI?

[thorny steeple]

Are you asking or quoting? I'm an introvert. Dunno about other people, but I would guess that it's more introverts that use things like these, as they probably generally actively seek out social interactions in person.

Saying that, I've just got home from a long day socializing with a bunch of people. I'm absolutely exhausted. Socially drained and just want to unwind alone at home, so I come here? 😆 Sounds logical. 🤔

[onyx drift]

Yep indeed, for clarification it was question, don't focus too much on english.... I am still learning 😅

[desert sphinx]

idk, i'm extrovert and spent most of my time in here (on the pc mostly) but i think more of the people here are introverts

idk

[onyx drift]

Wow, you should have special privilige over here... but nice to see that even extroverts are her

[thorny steeple]

Oh, OK. Gotcha. For future reference, what you used is known as a 'block quote', so it's best left for quoting a block of text, such as an excerpt from an article.

[onyx drift]

I'm a programmer, and I have sort of an habit of putting things under quote, when I want to grab an attention of an user on that particular word

[thorny steeple]

Do you find you get enough of your daily social injections from chatting online? I had assumed it wasn't really enough for an extrovert, for some reason.

[onyx drift]

Else what happens, whenever we write long form content... then its very likely that user might not read entirely or will read it half

It just usual behaviour

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I feel you. I'm a programmer too, although haven't written much in a while, except an automation script. 😆 Careful though, as you'll confuse people like me. 😄

[covert spear]

sup guys

[onyx drift]

Yah, it works as long as they understand... and also **double star ** of discord actually useless, it just bolds it little bit

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, **...** is synonymous with __...__, IIRC.

test
test

Maybe not. Oh yeah, underline. I remember now. It's synonymous with something in Discord. Anyway, rambling now. So tired. 😴

[onyx drift]

I haven't used that second one... but still that double quote clearly differntiates it

😅

[thorny steeple]

Which languages do you tend to use?
Programming ones, I mean.

[desert sphinx]

Sometimes yeah, because sometimes i'm tired or anxious yk so the last thing i want is to talk, but mostly i got my social injections chatting online

[onyx drift]

Depends, Nowadays mostly use AI to write codes... 😅

[thorny steeple]

Nice one. That's awesome.

[thorny steeple]

Oh noes. 😛

If it works for you, I suppose I can't knock it. Too much.

[onyx drift]

I've applied for an access of Devin, after that I will give it task of building discord... and then will invite all of you guys... 😄

[thorny steeple]

Sounds good. Let us know when it's done. Is it done yet?

[onyx drift]

No just applied, don't have an access right now

[sour marlin]

Guys I have noticed something

There is nothing called "the freedom of choice"

[vagrant swan]

like what?

[sour marlin]

For instance

When people are arguing about religion Muslims should be respectful while other people throw shi* on the Muslim people's believes and book and etc...

And whenever they try to defend themselves they call em wild and stuff

It has happened in this server as well

[vagrant swan]

yeah so?

[silver vault]

Where?

[sour marlin]

So it's unfair

[sour marlin]

Everytime they talk about religion

[vagrant swan]

it all started with 11 September

[sour marlin]

Hmmm how many people died back then?

[formal pilot]

Yeah we've extremists on both sides

It'll really sad, we need to be more liberal

[formal pilot]

Nearly 3000

[sour marlin]

Mhm

[sour marlin]

And how many people died because of bombings in Afghanistan?

Also in Iraq

[vagrant swan]

throughout history, all kinds of religions and races have been oppressed, for example, the Germans did it to the Jews, the French did it to the Muslims (but not all).

[silver vault]

I've only seen people here engaging in polite discourse with theists

[vagrant swan]

correct me if i'm wrong

[sour marlin]

I see

[sour marlin]

Well, I agree with u a bit

[silver vault]

disagreeing with someone's ideas doesn't necessarily equate to disliking them as individuals

[sour marlin]

But tbh recently the only religion that gets hate from other people is Islam

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah dude, We can't justify killing of innocents, it's wrong

[sour marlin]

After 9/11

[vagrant swan]

mostly*

not only the one

[feral river]

You can justify who is innocent

[sour marlin]

Can u gimme an example of other religions being vulnerable?

[vagrant swan]

jews

[formal pilot]

[feral river]

There always be a part that you can justify it using against your enemy

[vagrant swan]

some Muslims treat Jews like this

they do not care about civilians

[feral river]

But the fact will not change by your justification

[vagrant swan]

i'm saying this as a muslim

[sour marlin]

Whoa

[slow storm]

What people think Islam is...
What islam actually is... ✅

1.Don't insult (Q 49:11)

2.Speak kindly (Q 2:83)

3.Speak gently (Q 17:28)

4. Don't backbite (Q 49:12)

5.Speak the Truth (Q3:17)

6. Keep your oaths (Q5:89)

7.Do not be arrogant (Q7:13)

8. Restrain your anger (Q 3:134)

9. Think good of others (Q24:12)

10.Don't be rude to parents (Q 17:23)

11.Don't make fun of others (Q 49:11)

12.Turn away from ill speech (Q 23:3)

13.Walk in a humble manner (Q 25:63)

14. Keep your trusts & promises (Q 23:8)

15.Don't claim yourself to be pure (Q 53:

16.Do not even approach adultery (Q 17: 32)

17.Don't call others with bad names (Q 49:11)

18.Remember Allah and be thankful (Q 2: 152)

19.Speak nicely, even to the ignorant (Q

25:63)

20. Don't ask for repayment for favours (Q 76:9)

21.If enemy wants peace, then accept it (Q 8:61)

22.Salute the Prophet (saw), do salawats (Q 33:56)

23.Call 'all' people to the pilgrimage (hajj)

(Q 22:27)

24. Give charity/spend (in the way of Allah)

25.Don't criticize small donation/charity of others (9:79)

26.Be mindful of Allah and be with the truthful (Q 9:119)

27.Do not consume one another's wealth unjustly (Q 2:188)

28. Stand firm for justice even if it is against yourselves (Q 4:135)

29.Don't remind others of the favours you done to them (Q2:264)

30. Return a greeting in a better manner or at least the same (Q4:86)

31.Do not be excessive, extravagant, don't spend wastefully (Q 17:26)

32 Life of this world is no more than the delusion of enjoyment (Q3:185)

33.Performing prayers (salat/namaz) is a duty on the believers (Q 4:103)

34. Turn away from trash talk like gossip, slandering people etc.(Q 28:55)

[sour marlin]

The Israel genocides the Palestine people

[formal pilot]

Please snort potassium cyanide

[silver vault]

Man

[slow storm]

Give a read guys

[sour marlin]

subhan'Allah

[slow storm]

Let me share more ayats

[sour marlin]

Yes

[feral river]

Oh the Islamic faction genocide against Jews

[vagrant swan]

there is some truth to what you say.

[feral river]

But they failed 😂😂😂

[vagrant swan]

its like 60 percent

[feral river]

They screwed up, losers

[silver vault]

members of minority religious groups such as Sikhism or Bahá'í Faith have faced discrimination and persecution in various parts of the globe

[vagrant swan]

:O

[onyx drift]

You see the bit of touch of that good and bad 😅, that's going on here

[slow storm]

Y so..
There are many people who have unknown hate for Islam 😏

[feral river]

They think they can wiped out the Israel from the Middle East and the truth is the nation will be wiped from the Middle East is Palestine🤣🤣

[silver vault]

Literally who

[vagrant swan]

damn

[sour marlin]

Then?

[silver vault]

Aside from lmknot, obv

[vagrant swan]

bro started a war in chat

[silver vault]

Islam isn't the only religion that faces discrimination

[slow storm]

You'll see

[sour marlin]

That's because the Israel gov doesn't know anything about humanity

[feral river]

I don’t really give a fuck to some jihadists or extremists using some stupid concept like genocide to justify something they do is justice

That’s really ridiculous

[sour marlin]

But we as Muslims doesn't have the right to defend ourselves or talk!!!

Coz we will be called terrorists

[sour marlin]

😂

[feral river]

They know or not, depending how powerful they are

They are here and they are kicking them ass

That’s the truth which no one can deny

[cedar oar]

Have you seen how much Reddit Atheists loathe Christianity? It seems like they are exclusively hating it, but they're not of course

[slow storm]

☠️💯

[cedar oar]

I very much agree with that statement

[feral river]

If you think you are the justice then push them back from your territory, or annex them, but can you do it ? You can’t.

[sour marlin]

The Israel is not any shi* without the western country's help

[silver vault]

You do have the right to defend yourself but if your opponent is just straight up name-calling you and disrespecting you like that then it's only rational to not debate with them further

[vagrant swan]

i don't care what happened in the past but the war is between both sides, so if civilians are dying that's what I care about.

[feral river]

The truth is the country who gets superpowers’s help, the country will win this war.

[vagrant swan]

its same with ukraine war

[feral river]

The back of the Israel is the United States

The most powerful nation in the world

[vagrant swan]

and UK

[sour marlin]

Well, the Christians have changed a lot of things In Their religion
What have they made is absurdity 😂
That makes sense smh

[silver vault]

Damn

[sour marlin]

Hmmm true

[silver vault]

How would you feel I say the same thing about Islam here?

[feral river]

I would not to say they are not innocent since they pay taxes to their rival government and providing more resources.

[sour marlin]

So what?
They are all terrorists although we don't know what is going to happen at the end

[formal pilot]

Let's talk about 911 guys, it was internal job

[cedar oar]

"The Christians" cannot be put into one group when discussing particular details, they have denominations which have their own ways of doing things. Atheism seems to hate all of them

[sour marlin]

Nothing has changed in Islam

[feral river]

Idk, but maybe the end is the end of the Palestine.

[vagrant swan]

the state that started to settle the Jews in today's Israel and Palestinian lands was UK. America bought the Palestinian lands on behalf of the Jews.

[feral river]

The end will not be the end of the Israel

[vagrant swan]

correct me if i'm wrong

[silver vault]

I could pinpoint other arguments like infidelity and child marriage

[slow storm]

Can I share a reel on this issue? 👀

[formal pilot]

You can type it

I'm familiar with 911

[slow storm]

Nah men

[sour marlin]

But the truth is that most of Christians become atheist because the Christianity doesn't make sense for them

[sour marlin]

We will see

[feral river]

Best excuse for US for dominating the Middle East and controlling more territory and power from those area 😂

[sour marlin]

Keep dreaming

[feral river]

911 achieved US

[manic juniper]

Why does it have the most believers then

[cedar oar]

A lot of what you're saying can be applied to Islam as well

[sour marlin]

That's not what Islam says

[onyx drift]

https://tenor.com/view/multiverso-multiverso-akela-multiverso-scout-gif-8208802467565299466

[silver vault]

are you sure

[manic juniper]

Abrahamic religions

[cedar oar]

Using the same terminology sense you used to discuss the Christians, Islam has changed a lot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_schools_and_branches

[feral river]

Idk but why you guys always having a problem with atheist

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah do leave us alone

[feral river]

What’s wrong with atheist ?

[manic juniper]

They don't recognise reptiles as gods

[formal pilot]

Nothing, they're the epitome of human behaviour

[sour marlin]

Because this religion changes by the time
New rules every year, "according to their own desires"

[feral river]

Who tf will care that since they are atheist

[sour marlin]

Proof

[manic juniper]

Changes such as

[sour marlin]

Mhm

[feral river]

I’m the supreme leader

[manic juniper]

Plus I don't get how changing so often relates to having the most believers

[silver vault]

They hate shia muslims as well lol

[manic juniper]

Isn't it supposed to alienate people and drive them away from the religion...?

[sour marlin]

What has been changed in Quran?
U have 5000 Version from bible

[cedar oar]

Are you being sincere here? Look at your messages, change Christianity with Islam, and it's the same thing pretty much

[feral river]

You mean atheists hate Shia Muslims ?

[slow storm]

No, we don't hate them

[feral river]

Are you sure about that ?

[silver vault]

Muslims

[onyx drift]

Thanks buddy, I just learned a new word epitome 🙂 , purpose of joining this channel

[sour marlin]

I don't mind atheists

[silver vault]

Wot? Aren't you Sunni?

[cedar oar]

Give us a source for that claim. Because Islam too, has had heresies

[slow storm]

I'm Muslim

[formal pilot]

Yoo calm down, i can confirm they hate em

[silver vault]

Which branch

[formal pilot]

[sour marlin]

Islam can't be applied in here haha

[silver vault]

Yeh it's only in india, where they don't say it openly

[manic juniper]

Read about the Nation of Islam, it's quite strange