🧠｜serious-chat

[versed rain]

Btw we dont like china cause of Uyghurs. They are torturing them.

[cedar oar]

@formal pilot, do it

[feral river]

that's another thing, but tell me why it's a fascist idea ?

another thing that I will explain after this

because I'm really confused about why minorities serve majority is a fascist idea

[formal pilot]

Yesss sir

[versed rain]

Because Uyghurs dont do anything to China. They want to live.

[silver vault]

What's your definition of fascism?

[sudden ocean]

I don't mean it is facist. It's kinda neo-facist.

[feral river]

ultra-right wing, ultra-nationalism, racism, nazism etc.

[versed rain]

You suppress their religion, you restrict their survival.

[cedar oar]

Explain to the Chinese guy how minorities serving the majority is fascist

[feral river]

they can normally live, you can see a lot of uyghur officials in CCP

but some of them doesn't want to normally live

they want something above living

they want power, they want influence, they got suppressed

[cedar oar]

If there is hope, it lies in the proles

[feral river]

yes please enlight me

[versed rain]

Bro wait just a minute. I will send a video.

[cedar oar]

I really don't want to explain why thag is fascism, I'd rather wait for somebody else to do it

[feral river]

I know what happened bro there is no need for videos

but I'm really confused about fascism thing not your stuff

after this I will give a full explaination about that

[cedar oar]

You're supressing minorities with making them serve the majority, they should be equal. That's a really simple explanation which should do it

[silver vault]

Btw aggarwala the chief of SCBA has written a letter to the president to not disclose the names of any corporate or entity as it might ruin the "reputation that the nation enjoys in the international arena"

[thorny steeple]

sorry interruption, can anyone help me finding a song? my english is not that good, so i cant understand

[feral river]

I think it's not that far to say it's a fascist idea because as you think it's literally suppressing them force them to serve the majority with no equals at all, it's not like that

[cedar oar]

The name highly suggests it

Biladen, take over the debate, brb

[feral river]

I mean the minorties serve majority is the number and the group of them, the less number they have, the priorities they have less.

[versed rain]

I cannot find video but you cannot say we dont do anything.

[feral river]

and the majority always as majority, maybe there is a chance that minorty becomes to majority, but they must serve majority first, second is minority

[cedar oar]

Back

Did you stop being down bad?

[feral river]

it's understandable and it's important.

it's not a fascist idea

[formal pilot]

They aren't gonna reveal any information, I'm hella certain

[versed rain]

Everyone know china is torturing turks in East Turkestan

[cerulean ore]

There's a whole lot more to it

[cedar oar]

Nobody should serve anyone else

[feral river]

just after this I will explain to this I 100% know what is happening just like I said before

[feral river]

that's not how this world looks like

[formal pilot]

@silver vault feels like it was all pre-planned to give us some sweets before passing some spicy laws

[feral river]

this world currently is running by number of countries with different rule and order

[versed rain]

What do u know huh? I have seen the turks who have traces of chains on his back

[silver vault]

Don't tell me you believe that the whole "trying to protect the identity of those poor donars" bs??

[feral river]

there is no absolute equality

[cedar oar]

That's still fascism

[feral river]

and the order is not based on equality at all

[versed rain]

Only china supports this.

[feral river]

by the definition you gave the every order and rule has a little bit fascism except anarchism.

[versed rain]

Everyone knows that China is a tyrannical power, and you will never be like the westerners.

[feral river]

I said numerous times I will give full explaination about your statement

[formal pilot]

Gimme some informations, I'll try to find

[cedar oar]

It doesn't make it not fascist. Germany is currently not supressing any minorities it might have

[sudden ocean]

I can't say you are facist. BTW, i don't agree with your idea how world works.
Maybe live and let live. Don't force them your choice. Don't force the world the way you think...

[versed rain]

Ok, explain it right know.

[silver vault]

This one was actually pretty crucial in the midst of the modi juggernaut and those laws and bills are probably being pitched just to maybe downplay the clownery that's being played out in the bank lol

[thorny steeple]

can i send you in dm? so we dont interrupt the others

[cedar oar]

Man, I really don't want to debate when the debate is going to loop

[feral river]

but how you can establish order and rule without education ? religion is used for it, ideologies is used for it, even science was depicted for it.

[formal pilot]

Send it in #🧊｜chill-chat if I can't find, other will help

[silver vault]

I wonder how long it's gonna last

[thorny steeple]

ok.

[feral river]

the truth is rule by the power and order exist, till now and it work properly

you can't deny this

[formal pilot]

Exactly

[versed rain]

Yes, torturous rules

[sudden ocean]

I mean don not make a rule as a majority. Makes a rule of your own, not minorities'...

[cerulean ore]

I'm actually not cause corporates have been donating to political parties since independence, but full disclosure was required ngl. Black money is also donated earlier & even now despite EBs

[cedar oar]

Yeah, but that doesn't make what you said before not fascist

[feral river]

but did they got what they want ? they have energe crisis because of Ukraine war, they have inflation problem they need to pay money to the USA for alliance

they paid a lot you didn't mention.

It's not a world you can pay nothing to got what you want

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure what this even has to do with the main point. The point was that what you said before was fascist

[feral river]

but can you deny it's truth ?

[silver vault]

Why do you think nobody is targeting bjp tho?

[feral river]

it's about the truth not the fascist I think

[lusty zenith]

But how will you fulfill your duty as a man if you don't return from war in 4 different body bags

[cedar oar]

Yeah, sure, they have an energy crisis due to relying on Russian imports too much, but what does this have to do with the main point?

[versed rain]

Who wants to live in China? I know their labor worthlessness, mismanagement, overcrowded, virus, torture mentality, rude people.

[cedar oar]

Because it doesn't have anything to do with the main point

[manic juniper]

People from shitholes like North Korea or Myanmar

[sudden ocean]

You're really stubborn. One say yes,you're, the other say no,i'm not * 10000000

[versed rain]

And they don't have any structure. Except for those tent like houses.

[feral river]

the main point of minorties serve majority is about priorities as I mentioned before, I don't think there is any of nation they can consider the benefit of the minorities first over majority.

[versed rain]

It's a pity, in fact, if they were born in good places, they would think like us.

[cedar oar]

I think this was supposed to be sarcasm, but I didn't understand its meaning in the firsr place

[feral river]

and they can't literally take them equally to be treated because there is a such thing called money

[manic juniper]

Plenty of countries where minorities are treated just as well as the majority and contribute equally to majority citizens

[cedar oar]

The main point was that it was fascist. I'm not going to argue any further as this is pointless

[feral river]

well my whole point is not about what you said, my point is priorities.

[feral river]

I disagree with that. because that's a common thing and it's truth it happens in almost any state.

[manic juniper]

Politicians are many, they can deal with more than one issue at once

[sudden ocean]

Although politicians are many, leader is one.

[versed rain]

For example, everyone can protest in Turkey, Minorities have as many rights as majorities, everyone is equal, we have an economic crisis, but I still can't say anything about crise. But it is very overwhelming to think about china.

[feral river]

maybe some nation are capable to deal with everyone at the same time, but some of them have to make a decision which serve the majority or minorities, but they always do the first.

that's the whole point I'm saying

[manic juniper]

The PM's power only goes so far, and they're usually not involved in these matters that require other expertise or just to leave the situation as it is (when it's optimal)

[sudden ocean]

is it also true in china?

[manic juniper]

It isn't that difficult to serve both equally

[versed rain]

Yeah.

[manic juniper]

I'm not familiar with China but I doubt it's the case

[feral river]

It is sometimes in some cases and in some nation

for example, the religion

[manic juniper]

Treating minorities better serves the majority once they cooperate and not protest

[feral river]

Yes

that's why I said some Uyghurs deserve to be in the freaking camp

[manic juniper]

Romania and Ukraine are model countries because most minorities have the right to learn their language and their culture isn't threatened in any way, their regions also feature signs in their own languages

[feral river]

that's the whole point I was mentioning.

[versed rain]

For example, as a country, we are saddened by the increase in Syrians because they increase the crime rate and make it difficult for us to get visas, but we cannot do anything about it because there are laws. And that's the way it has to be. But in China, the state is already persecuting those in East Turkestan.

[feral river]

bingo

[manic juniper]

Those minorities contribute positively to the economy and the situation is stable

[feral river]

there is no East Turkestan, only Xinjiang Uyghurs Autonomous Region.

[sudden ocean]

I can't agree with that. Ukraine is not that generous...

[manic juniper]

? There are entire towns and villages with Hungarian, Romanian and Russian as main language everywhere

[sudden ocean]

They don't treat russian equally...

[versed rain]

In any case, you have no respect for minorities as a state.

[manic juniper]

My family used to live in Ukraine and they had the right of education in Russian

[manic juniper]

How

[feral river]

you may know something about respecting sovereighty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

[sudden ocean]

The war breakout explains...

[versed rain]

For example, in Turkey, you can get the education of the religion you want at school.

[manic juniper]

Explains what? That Russia doesn't respect borders?

Most Russians in Ukraine support Ukraine and prefers to stay part of it

[sudden ocean]

I don't wanna argue with that. That's kind of perspective.
Have you ever met all "most russian in Ukraine"?

You just heard it, saw it from 3th party.

[feral river]

Russia doesn't even consider Ukraine as a sovereighty nation.

they don't respect Ukrainians

[formal pilot]

Cuz they're doing the same shady works

[sudden ocean]

What about ukraine?

Do they respect russia?

[cerulean ore]

Why do you think that?

[feral river]

I think they did because they go negotiation table

[manic juniper]

Art. 10 of the Ukrainian Constitution of 1996 states that “Ukrainian is the state language of Ukraine, and the state shall ensure comprehensive development and functioning of the Ukrainian language in all spheres of community life, (…) free development, use, and protection of Russian and other languages of national minorities shall be guaranteed”

[feral river]

and Ukraine never invades Russia

[cerulean ore]

This thing is not only exclusive to bjp, yk?

[formal pilot]

TMC is not that big but it's still on 3rd

[cerulean ore]

also, to add more with the new parliament BJP can easily increase seats in northern states according to population base while killing any voice from the southern states where they can't seem to win

[sudden ocean]

I never thought you're so gullible. If they were dominating the war, then they would go negotiation table?

[feral river]

I don't know why you think I'm gullible

I know 100% know what is happening in this war

so can you please tell me which part of my speech made you think I'm gullible ?

[silver vault]

They are pretty strong in Karnataka. Them and Congress switch there every 5 years. Their seats increased from 1 to 8 this time in Telangana. They will never have TN and Kerala tho yes

[manic juniper]

Why would they respect Russia? Russia has always been anti-Ukrainian identity

[versed rain]

For example, Russia and Ukraine do not want to sit at the negotiating table anywhere other than Turkey. Because Turkey respects all opinions and its diplomatic relations are balanced.

[sudden ocean]

I respect your country. Many people respect the law. However, in some cases it's no more than a paper...

[manic juniper]

?

[versed rain]

For example, I have never heard of any major European country calling for a ceasefire

[formal pilot]

What do you think about WB?

[sudden ocean]

It's not for their native. It's for a show...

[manic juniper]

There is no ceasefire possible, Russia wants to annex regions of Ukraine

[versed rain]

Yes, it is, but Turkey is the only country among them that wants a ceasefire.

[manic juniper]

The only negotiation possible needs Russia to leave Ukraine to its previous borders and not come back

[feral river]

There is no ceasefire possible, USA & Nato wants to test more weapons in Ukraine, using Ukrainian to fight against Russia, and China wants to get the cheaper gas since Russia economy is declining.

[versed rain]

Europe and America are arming them and throwing them in front of Russia.

[manic juniper]

That's about the only possible outcome, a ceasefire where Russia gains territory is a welcoming party for a second invasion. Do you realise that the war started 10 years ago right?

[sudden ocean]

Then everybody is happy. Except soldiers.

[silver vault]

TMC for sure

[manic juniper]

Why do you think a ceasefire would make Russia stop its invasion?

It's been 10 years

[silver vault]

Bjp is pretty strong rn but it's still unclear whether they will be able to unseat Mamata Banerjee

[feral river]

Russia really thinks whole region of Ukraine belongs to Russia.

[manic juniper]

Anyone that thinks Russia has any legitimacy to this war isn't familiar with Eastern European history at all

[sudden ocean]

Is there any reason they must be separated by region, I don't understand. It's a little different than chinese minorities...

[formal pilot]

Yeah dude Bengalis love non veg, they not gonna vote for veg patty

[manic juniper]

And it's surprising that Turks don't remember when Ukraine was the battleground between their old empire, Russia's and Poland-Lithuania

[versed rain]

Yeah, you are right. But they only send weapons and support this war. It is clear that Ukraine cannot win, but it is also unclear how long Russia can sustain it. Countries are arming Ukraine, but only to weaken Russia. It's not that they love Ukraine or that they're right.

[manic juniper]

Yeah because they don't want to sparkle a nuclear conflict, which is stupid in my opinion. If it was up to me I'd throw a full scale invasion of Russia a là Iraq War

[versed rain]

Only for their benefit.

[manic juniper]

Of course but no one helps for no benefit of theirs

[feral river]

true

[manic juniper]

I argue that defeating Russia once and for all would be the objectively best outcome rather than not getting involved

[feral river]

so fight fight fight

[versed rain]

It is best that there is no war.

[manic juniper]

Nah that's not possible

[feral river]

there is more fight, there is more benefit

[versed rain]

But the best is this.

[silver vault]

Bro, BJP will literally do anything to snatch as many votes as possible. The next thing you'll see on the Godi media is Modi chowing down on some raw red meat

[manic juniper]

Of course, but Putin needs to be executed, and the whole political apparatus of Russia to be reworked at a constitutional and individual level

[feral river]

he won't be executed 💀

you can't get him 🤣

[sudden ocean]

Tell me your minecraft github address. I just forgot. Sorry.

[manic juniper]

I'm only saying how you can fix the situation if someone were to defeat Russia

[feral river]

https://github.com/Minecraft652/

[feral river]

oh true

[versed rain]

In fact, Turks do not like Russians at all, but Turkey is the country that shows the most balanced attitude towards Russia and Europe.

Everything is for profit.

[sudden ocean]

But there's only readme.md files. Is it all of the project?

[feral river]

https://github.com/Minecraft652/SFTFinance

[versed rain]

We have problems with the United States from time to time, and it is not clear whether Russia will attack or not, since Turkey is in a central position. Also whether America will be on our side.

[manic juniper]

It will not attack Turkey, it's a fish that is too big to swallow. Moldova is next if they can secure a corridor in southern Ukraine

Georgia could be next too depending on how their government swings

[cedar oar]

It's not that easy to defeat a country with a big nuclear arsenal

[manic juniper]

My point is that giving a free pass to any country just because they have nuclear weapons is pointless, it's just a way to inform them that any invasion will largely go unpunished. Which shouldn't be the case

[gaunt bronze]

isn't turkey in nato??

[manic juniper]

Yes

[versed rain]

I mean, I honestly don't know. We are certainly closer to America, but we are on edge. And then there is Erdogan, a religious politician.

[cedar oar]

Appeasement, if you will. Yeah, sure, I can agree with needing to resist them

[versed rain]

Within NATO

[feral river]

the weakest part of NATO

[gaunt bronze]

waittt wdym by that??

[feral river]

Turkey

[manic juniper]

In Russia's case they have resisted to any improvement whatsoever

[feral river]

Turkey really have a lot of Russian influence

[manic juniper]

I wouldn't tolerate any more aggression from that country

[versed rain]

Turkey is in Nato.

[gaunt bronze]

canada is mediocre within NATO but if conflict arises there's lots of Acts which can turn canada into a crazyy military industrial complex

[cedar oar]

Well Putin needs to somehow keep his position of course

[gaunt bronze]

Omg yea that's the irony of it. i have a close friend and she's turkish-russian

[versed rain]

Are you kidding? Nato's 3rd most powerful country

[manic juniper]

It's implying politically

[gaunt bronze]

What about france and germany and the uk 😭

and probably other countries too Idkk

[versed rain]

About Military power

[manic juniper]

It's third, only USA and UK are stronger

France and Germany are behind

[feral river]

United Kingdom, Germany, France, obviously have more power than Turkey.

[manic juniper]

They do not

[gaunt bronze]

Oh oops- but germany and france have much greater war-waging potential

[manic juniper]

Their potential is higher yes

[feral river]

you mean active personnals ?

[gaunt bronze]

even canada i bet has a greater war-waging potential

[versed rain]

Germany's economy and politics are strong.

[feral river]

I mean politically, economically, comprehensively and militarily

[manic juniper]

Also Italy's and others too, but Turkey is just better at the moment

[manic juniper]

I was talking about power index only

He thought you meant in that field rather than politically and economically

[feral river]

show me that index

[gaunt bronze]

tbh there's already france germany the uk and the usa in NATO, after that you're just refining the sculpture

[manic juniper]

https://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-nato-members.php

There is a power gap between the first places

[versed rain]

Real Turks don't like russians at all. We know what Russia has been doing for the last 6 years. He killed more than 200 of our soldiers.

[feral river]

hummm I doubt that reliable

[versed rain]

Putin is a murderer.

[gaunt bronze]

Ohhh

[manic juniper]

Many people don't realise that countries like Egypt, Turkey and Pakistan have an unexpectedly powerful military

Other countries would do much better of course, but that's not the case until they actually aim for that goal

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_level_of_military_equipment

[versed rain]

Too many people say that Turks love Pakistanis. This is also absolutely wrong. They're just trying to ingratiate themselves with us. But I also feel sorry for them because they can't develop because they are poor.

[gaunt bronze]

oh very obviously. but i hate how limited NATO's capacity is in something like this. yk you start to wonder its fragility bc it seems more like a hegemonic deterence thing than anything else. & it reminds me of like when britain colonised colonial india. colonial india didnt know how fragile the british empire was getting

[feral river]

didn't he cooperate with turkish in the syria civil war ?

[versed rain]

In short, the Turks do not like any Asian country (except South Korea).

[manic juniper]

Not even Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Thailand, Taiwan?

[versed rain]

Did you think so? The U.S. is illegally arming terrorist organizations against Turks in Syria. Including France.

[manic juniper]

Or Japan

[versed rain]

Only Kazakhstan.

And japan yeah

[gaunt bronze]

WHATTT

were they arming the militias bc they wanted to remove the syrian government (Which is a dictatorship)?

[versed rain]

Also Australia

[feral river]

Syrian war is complicated than you think

[manic juniper]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67034560

[feral river]

there is a lot of forces interfered

[gaunt bronze]

every war is complex sadlyyy

[feral river]

including, USA, NATO, Russia, Turkey, Kurdish, Syrian forces and even Saudi, Iran, ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc.

it's a super proxy war ever

[versed rain]

For example, Daesh is an American-backed organization that tries to portray Muslims as murderers. That's why America had its own soldiers killed. That's why Trump said our country is not innocent either.

[feral river]

It's hard to ensure the guns you provide is not finally goes to the rival side

[gaunt bronze]

Omg for our political thinking unit in a civics course we talked about this & i remember my past teachers talking about it too

[versed rain]

Everything is already with the error hahaha.

[feral river]

cool.

in here most people just don't know what just happened in middle east and they don't fucking care

they don't even know where is syria

[gaunt bronze]

that's true here too 😭

[versed rain]

Turkey does not have a problem in terms of security, but it is being portrayed as such.

[feral river]

the only thing they came up to their brain about middle east is the oil

and the US forces

nothing left.

[gaunt bronze]

it's nice knowing geopolitics but it is boring and most ppl wont need to know anyways

[versed rain]

You may have heard that Turkey bombed a French clothing factory in Syria. Inside that factory, there were weapons of a terrorist organization.

[manic juniper]

Too many people take superficial statements and propaganda at face value

[feral river]

I think it's interesting because there a lot of forces comes in and they fight against each other someone gets benefit someone got destroyed or screwed up

[gaunt bronze]

only the dead have seen the end of war 🤷‍♀️

[manic juniper]

So many people claim that Ukraine made Orthodox Christianity illegal when that's impossible, since most citizens are Orthodox Christians

[feral river]

war will never end. we all ready for that. (not really 😂 )

[manic juniper]

They only outlawed the Moscow Patriarchate since it's clearly a sponsor of the RF

[versed rain]

That's why the president of Turkey is not changing. Because every politician has an externally supported statement in our country,that is normal but there are those who are against the country.

[manic juniper]

Or how they made Russian illegal, when it was just declassed from the official state language status

[feral river]

I still remember I'm telling the story about how Nazi Germany take over the europe with my friend and he was excited

[manic juniper]

As a matter of fact my cousins keep studying in Russian at school without any change whatsoever

[feral river]

and how they failed.

[versed rain]

The middle east is an illegal battlefield for powerful states.

[feral river]

war is the supreme court of the civilization of the humanity

[versed rain]

War does not determine who is right, but who is strong.

[feral river]

the winner side always right, because the loser being killed.

[versed rain]

A Chinese thought. You may be oppressing the Uyghur Turks because you are stronger, but it is not justified.

[feral river]

nope, we won't do that

the only justification of oppressing them is the basic law of the people's republic of china.

they violated the law

[versed rain]

Idk but you can't torture. Respect for people indicates the level of civilization.

[feral river]

if you think they were being tortured ? I have a friend currently working in the camp

all of their daily routine is just like a normal prisoner only special thing is they have to study something and produce cottons

[versed rain]

Yeah i think. I can't find any videos, but I've seen whip torture many times. China is already famous for its tortures.

[feral river]

I don't think that justifications works just like you said, but they were being oppressed and there is a simple reason that some of them violated the basic law of the PRC.

they are still chinese citizens, even some are CCP officials

[versed rain]

For example, what are they violating?

[versed rain]

Yes, you don't act like human without saying I'm Chinese.

[feral river]

threatening national security, launching terrorist attack, spreading influence and hate over society.

[versed rain]

I can't say anything.

See u

[feral river]

if you live in turkey, what do you think about kurds ?

if they protest over your nation and they want to independent, they want to split your territory ?

can you tolerant this ?

[feral river]

I would say you guys didn't do anything better than what ours do.

at least our policy succeeded, after 2017 no security issues in Xinjiang, no terrorist attack in anywhere of the China

even Urumuqi, the capital of Xinjiang, has been developed as a modern city, government even built up a metro system with one line and maybe the next line will opened in some years later.

[manic juniper]

Based on what I know about minorities in Eastern Europe I think that giving autonomy and concessions would be enough to lower the wish for independence

Pretty much no Hungarian in Ukraine or Romania wishes to be part of Hungary, they're fine with their respective countries. Or Tatars in Romania

The Swedish speakers of our country don't want that either, Åland used to and they're now pro-Finland because we proved to be more reliable than Sweden is

With time and effort you can integrate most minorities, doesn't really matter how laboured and difficult the past between them and the majority used to be, in the end they only wish for better lives

[feral river]

well I don't think that works, especially in East Asia and central asia, I see Soviet Union gave too much to those minorties, but I didn't see minorties established their mind to be a Soviet rather than a Ukrainian.

Autonomy is a measure that you have no other options to do.

the best example is the British Empire and Soviet Union

[manic juniper]

The Soviet Union didn't really do much for them, only in the early years under Lenin. But the situation degraded quickly especially under Stalin, religion and language weren't valued and protected at all

[feral river]

how about British Empire ? they gave a lot of autonomy to colony states but empire collapsed.

[manic juniper]

Ukraine and Moldova treat and preserve their minorities much better than the Soviet Union and Russia was/is capable of

[manic juniper]

Those regions were drained of resources, mismanaged and mistreated. Not unlike what the Soviet Union did to those living around the Aral Sea by the way, or how Russia is treating its Uralic and Turkic minorities

Moldova, Ukraine, Romania treat most of their minorities well, Hungarians in Romania live in the most prosperous region (Transylvania), their towns are just as good as the Romanian ones

Russians in Ukraine live in beautiful historic cities like Mariupol and Kharkiv

[feral river]

I think there is really have a lot of options to do because giving autonomy is just temporary and you can't except what will happen if you gave out autonomy.

it can't solve the problem, only delay it.

and delay to the last, is the collapse or split.

no exceptions

[manic juniper]

We gave autonomy to Åland because it was a gray area between independent country and part of Finland/Sweden, they're still part of Finland now although autonomous

[versed rain]

Not the Kurds, but the Kurds of Arab descent backed by the United States. And they are killing our soldiers.

[feral river]

how could you ensure that will still be part of Finland in the future ?

[manic juniper]

Well in Romania's case the situation improved tenfold, those minorities love Romania and are proud of it

[feral river]

how could you ensure that ? that is hell to pay

today they are with you because they can have benefit

[manic juniper]

They can have a referendum and leave, but I doubt they will consider that. They are happy and protected under Finland, their only other option is joining Sweden and Sweden showed to be military unreliable unlike Finland, that is toughened by war

[feral river]

one day they can't have much benefit they will seek independence with you

[manic juniper]

We both obtain benefits from this relation

[versed rain]

What do you do anything to this people?

[manic juniper]

Wealth inequality in Finland is very low, and regional HDI doesn't have huge gaps between regions

[feral river]

but what if one day the interest of both side has a split ?

[manic juniper]

We are making sure that it won't happen

[feral river]

so you can't ensure that problem will never happen in the future.

[feral river]

I guess, good maintanence

[manic juniper]

It is possible if you ensure that

[feral river]

but we have more smarter decision, which is asslimilation

[versed rain]

Watch it.

[feral river]

we can permanently solve this problem

[manic juniper]

It isn't smarter, just easier

[feral river]

just like how USA did

[manic juniper]

Different people can live together without issues for centuries, look at Belgium or Switzerland

They can't understand each other at all yet they're very united

[feral river]

I just think it's temporary

[versed rain]

Have you seen the video? Except for Erdogan, they are terrorists.

[feral river]

now you can live together because you guys have joint interest.

[manic juniper]

Why

[versed rain]

watch it

[manic juniper]

We appreciate each other

[feral river]

you can't ensure that one day you guys will split

[manic juniper]

I appreciate Finland Swedes

[feral river]

humm Finland Sweden is literally not in the stage of the global powers

[versed rain]

You bring up the Kurds and you don't read what I write.

[manic juniper]

But why does that matter

[feral river]

but the land of Belgium and Swizerland is

because their location

geopolitical reasons

[manic juniper]

I don't think that matters much

Smaller countries than Finland had more issues of that kind like Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia

[versed rain]

I am saying it for the last time

[feral river]

it matters, really matter

[manic juniper]

Yet we do not

[versed rain]

Did you tell me?

[manic juniper]

Ukraine is the largest country in Europe after Russia and most minorities got along well

[manic juniper]

Only talking to Minecraft

[versed rain]

Ok.

[feral river]

yeah because they have an external pressure which from the Russia

[manic juniper]

Russia has no interests about Hungarians, Romanians and Tatars

[versed rain]

Minecraft, if you equate the Kurds with the Uyghur Turks, watch it for the last time because you will be wrong in every way. Because the ones in the video are so disgusting.

[feral river]

they can't even have a chance to enhance their problem with majorities because they have more important thing to do

which is deal with Russia, just like Kuomintang work with the CCP against Japanese

[manic juniper]

Those policies were in full effect long ago already

[feral river]

nothing special

but once Japanese retreat, Chinese civil war resume.

that's the problem I'm talking about

you can't ensure that problem will not happen.

today it didn't happen because you have more pressure from external

[manic juniper]

Siberian minorities in Russia are mostly peaceful yet Russia mistreats them and enacts bad policies

[feral river]

tomorrow it didn't happen because you gave some autonomy

[manic juniper]

Most of the times it's the government's fault if they revolt and wish for independence

[feral river]

I guess that's because of the massive corruption.

[feral river]

Russia is a federal state.

Russia is not a unity state

[manic juniper]

And yet their regional government is actively hostile towards its own minorities

[feral river]

their regional government loyal to the leader.

but that's regional government, not provinces.

a province can never be justified to be independent

but regional government can

[manic juniper]

Granting rights to minorities doesn't mean they'd turn unloyal

[feral river]

depends what right they are granting.

[manic juniper]

Speaking their own language in official matters

[versed rain]

When asked which country is the most hated, I can say Russia.

[manic juniper]

It isn't really that big of a deal

[feral river]

It's a big deal

a super big deal

[manic juniper]

Russia, Israel or USA yes

[feral river]

even the important thing

[manic juniper]

Why, it wouldn't affect Russians negatively

[versed rain]

I don't understand if you are ukrainian?

[manic juniper]

I'm Finnish

[feral river]

It is! if they don't speak Russian, an only lanaguge that whole nation uses, it's like breaking up the unity of the nation.

[manic juniper]

But they already speak Russian

[versed rain]

Does Finland normally like America?

[manic juniper]

Politically it's favourable, the people feel neutrally about it

[feral river]

yes but if speaking other language is legallized, it will cause a lot of problem, can you imagine a group of chinese living in japan and they want to have more right to speak chinese in japan legally ?

[manic juniper]

The volatile politics of USA made most Finns like it less over the years

[feral river]

I can't imagine that that's freaking terrible

[manic juniper]

But they have always lived in those regions, unlike Russians

Our Swedish speakers are allowed to speak and use Swedish, it never caused any issue

Some towns are exclusively Swedish speaking, it isn't an issue

[feral river]

first, their current policy didn't cause that much problems to the government, and the local majority Russian people.

[manic juniper]

Of course, because they do not speak the language so why would it

But it's costless to allow people to use their own language

[versed rain]

I also admire the selfishness of Germany. The economic crisis and the migrant problem did not exist 10 years ago. But then, too, they did not take us into the european union. Germany is doing this only because it will lose its effectiveness because Turkey is more numerous in terms of population.

[feral river]

and the second, it's a serious thing because you can't compare Sweden, Finland with Russia because Russia is a politcal global power, every decision they make is not only influence Russia, they influence the world, the media, the diplomatic

[manic juniper]

If Romania, Finland, Moldova, Ukraine, Belgium, Switzerland, Ireland, Norway, Greenland all allow it then it's not problematic

[versed rain]

All of them allow.

It's already at a level that begs for Italy and Spain to beg for it.

[feral river]

Those are all small nations no actually have much global powers, you should pick up some countries like UK, US, China, Russia, France.

[manic juniper]

The whole of EU should be reworked to an extent for that reason and some others, it's showing inefficiencies that shouldn't be a thing. But overall it's positive

[feral river]

you can see those superpowers always have some weird policies mistreat a group of people

[manic juniper]

Yeah those countries are homogeneous so they don't have the same need for that, yet they all suffer from those problems exactly because they are resistant to minorities

[feral river]

not because they can't do the thing 'properly' as you said, but they don't want to be like this

for some political reason

[manic juniper]

It's funny because of the countries you mentioned, Russia is the best and the worst one towards its minorities

[versed rain]

Europe does not want to lose Turkey and excludes it. I don't get it. Since Turkey is already predominantly Muslim, it is forced to establish a rapport with the Arabs when it cannot reach an agreement with the United States and Russia.

[feral river]

the countries I mentioned the global power in this world, the UN permanent security concil member.

[manic juniper]

While many minorities can learn their own language at school (although as second language), they also wage war to them in their own country. Maybe it's the sign that something needs to change

[feral river]

I would say they won't but if they can there is a chance, one day they will do that

and the government is literally preventing this

that's why I said that all make sense

[manic juniper]

Because not having diplomatic relations with Turkey is bound to open a plethora of issues that Erdogan could bring to the entirety of the EU, so it's better to partially appease it

[feral river]

you can't just compare a short-term policy with a long-term policy

[manic juniper]

If Turkey had followed a good development post-Atatürk it would already be part of the EU, even if Muslim majority

And having Turkey be less tied to the EU would mean having an uncontrolled border with the whole of Middle East, many of which are countries that are less stable than Turkey and harbour terrorists

So the EU prefers to have Turkey in NATO and EU-aligned

[versed rain]

There have been a lot of coups in our country. Do you know that they are all with the support of America? I don't understand.

[manic juniper]

Do you know Operation Gladio?

[feral river]

but Russia have a strong tie with Turkey ?

and even Turkey is under sanction by the US before

[manic juniper]

America also had interests in controlling Europe

[versed rain]

It evokes something, but no.

[feral river]

if Turkey wants to join the EU, I think they need to pass the US first

[manic juniper]

Having a weaker EU is better for USA as long as their global support is high

[copper snow]

How@to@remove@ping role

[feral river]

true, EU is potential threat to the US and UK

[versed rain]

In fact, I think we cannot enter because of the Middle Eastern countries that are linked to this terrorism.

[sudden ocean]

It is strange. If something is strong, they consider it a threat...

[feral river]

United States of Europe

[manic juniper]

There are secret groups in Europe that are controlled and funded by USA, I don't know if they still exist but they were put in place to prevent Europe from being too independent from USA and forming another pole (like China, or the Soviet Union used to be)

[feral river]

it is.

because there is no problem if they aren't strong

[sudden ocean]

I wanna be strong with many problems.

[feral river]

as I always saying, you can't ensure that will not cause a problem

[manic juniper]

They planned false flag attacks and terrorism to avoid the spread of socialism in European countries, that would set it apart from USA

[feral river]

and mostly it will

[delicate blaze]

May I know the sources?

[covert raptor]

[versed rain]

For example, last month Germany was going to fully support Palestine, but under the pressure of the United States, it said that it supports Israel.

[covert raptor]

A lot of haters on my boi America. All Russian propaganda. Reject

[versed rain]

Europe never knows what terrorism is.

It's completely vulnerable.

[delicate blaze]

Its just crazy to see him say all of that nonsense and his source is :

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-to-totally-trust-me-eric-cartman-south-park-s20e7-oh-jeez-gif-20389828

[versed rain]

If there was visa liberalization, there would be no need for the European Union, but here it is.

[manic juniper]

https://web.archive.org/web/20081212053626/http://www.php.isn.ethz.ch/collections/coll_gladio/chronology.cfm?navinfo=15301
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02684520600957712
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2674730

They disclosed this publicly in Italy's Parliament years ago, if you really think it's Russian propaganda maybe take it with Italy lol

[versed rain]

I just wish I had a European Union ID.

[manic juniper]

Far too many people excuse the dumb Cold War era bullshit the USA pulled off just because they think the country is the only alternative that there is to a world order

[delicate blaze]

Daniele Ganser's whole biography is based on being a Russian merchant. Not a realiable source.

[versed rain]

Frankly, I don't think USA is developed.

They have not been attacked and are advanced in weapons. For how many years have they been printing money without showing gold?

[versed rain]

Nothing more than colonizer country

I never wanted to go to USA in my life.

Because it has no privileges

[manic juniper]

It was literally admitted by Italy's PM in an interview

https://youtu.be/_uAL56wuGVk?si=-XHwsd3DOG2eGQFu
At 1:08

[versed rain]

@covert raptor I couldn't understand why he was laughing, but American people are all about the obese :))

[manic juniper]

https://www.repubblica.it/online/fatti/fontana/fontana/fontana.html
American agent involved in a terrorist attack in Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jul/02/philipwillan

[versed rain]

If we do not consider what the Americans have done to humanity, then yes, it is rude.

[manic juniper]

Americans aren't to blame, it's their agencies and government

[versed rain]

I mean, it is, but it shouldn't be rude to say some things either. After all, they elect their own presidents.

[manic juniper]

But they're not in control of what the CIA does, that's 100% the CIA's fault

[versed rain]

Sure

[manic juniper]

And their current government seems to at least be better towards the EU, but maybe that's just because the EU isn't an economic rival anymore

[versed rain]

I think Europe is much better than America in terms of mentality. At least the Europeans are not boring, friendly

I feel sick to my stomach at the rude and big American jeeps.

I don't know, it reminds me of that murderous American government.

[manic juniper]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/
Russian propaganda btw

[last geyser]

Serious chat for serious

[weak wind]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-hmm-rpx_syria-gif-19045009

[late atlas]

That doesn't look like a message in "serious chat"

It seems like a lot of Arab people are fed with anti-American propaganda

[covert raptor]

Is it so? I'm familiar with ear to ear oral traditions. Quite ancient, though I'm a bit nostalgic. Would this be gossip? Correct me if I'm wrong 😂

[covert raptor]

There is propaganda everywhere. The best ones win. This is a competition.

[covert raptor]

I was kidding. There has to be some space for critique. No nation is perfect, including America.

In the case you mentioned, possibly. I understand where that doubtful sentiment comes from. America has had a troubled past, and is still figuring out the way, gaining moral clarity. It was an isolationist and non-interventionist nation (globally) for the longest time since the founding -- "do our own thing" and be "left the freaking alone". Read on George Washington's national and foreign policy agenda.

Early 20th century and beyond, then land hungry and desperate German lunatics taunted and ignited world wars that shattered America's cherished isolationism. A lot of unnecessary blood was lost fighting against the aggressors. These events dragged a reluctant America onto the global stage to play police and oversee. It was never intended to be this way.

[covert raptor]

Has to be because of high standards of living, Americans living like kings and queens. In that sense, obesity is a proud badge of honor that is worn. If you look at it in a different light, the term obesity captures the incomplete picture. It is a temporary high storage of energy that helps the person to pursue fruitful endeavors.

The best part is everybody's welcome. The path may be long to reach, but Americans are waiting earnestly with open arms for you. Your rightful gift of obesity is also waiting to be yours, to be redeemed. You'll be assured that obesity will be the least of the problems. 😂

[manic juniper]

He's Turkish, he's rightfully upset at that since there are some questionable groups being funded by USA that may be linked to terrorism in his country

Most Turks do not care much about the Arab world

[glad patio]

I mean can you blame them?

[covert raptor]

I congratulate their teamwork for winning the propaganda war

[covert raptor]

My man playing with fire 🔥

[manic juniper]

I wasn't even mad at him, I just blocked since he's a troll

[grave temple]

says the guy defending hitler

[dry trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/conversation-serious-conversation-awkward-walking-away-awkwardly-walking-away-gif-11919995

[hearty blade]

Hi

[covert raptor]

A short rehearsal of the next episode of the drama. Only available exclusively on #🧠｜serious-chat

We want you here. Don't miss it! 🫡

Heart Break + Shower thoughts
Will he get a second chance from his love?

[gaunt bronze]

Beautifulllll

[sudden ocean]

Are you awake?

[mystic shoal]

I'm trying to write an assignment about the reality

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-to-reality-madara-gif-26470371

[mystic shoal]

Nothing ever goes as plan in this accused world

[formal pilot]

Sounds really interesting

[thorny steeple]

bro checking everyone's profile

what about mine?

[mystic shoal]

Do you have useful information?

[thorny steeple]

i see you

[formal pilot]

Dude all the information i gave earlier isn't useful??

It's philosophical topic and i hate philosophy, so I can't provide more information

[mystic shoal]

It was useful buddy but I need a lot of things cause I'm thinking of writing a book about it

[thorny steeple]

it never began

it's over

[feral river]

I’m handling my business 😂

Sup

I agree with that, they all working hard for their nations

[thorny steeple]

-they also want to take over the economy and the power of the whole world

hello

[late atlas]

That's correct. It never mattered what the truth was. It only matters what people think. And today media and internet give excellent opportunity to spread any kind of agenda (truth or lies).

[late atlas]

I mean if you have to pick one nation that should be the most upset for terrorism against its people, it's the USA. Just think of 9/11 and other attacks.

[feral river]

I think that is just what you believe.

Not the truth.

[versed rain]

Racism is not about liking or disliking it.

We know that USA is a terror country.

@thorny steeple ?

[thorny steeple]

hello there!

[versed rain]

Hi?

[thorny steeple]

sup

you got any topics?

[versed rain]

No

[thorny steeple]

~topic

[molten mica]

If you had a personal mascot, what would your mascot be?

[thorny steeple]

🫡 like this

[thorny steeple]

and holding tissues behind him

~topic

[molten mica]

What would the adult version of an ice-cream truck sell and what song would it play?

[thorny steeple]

classic songs

~topic

[molten mica]

What’s the silliest thing you’ve convinced someone of?

[thorny steeple]

my feelings for someone?

~topic

[molten mica]

What was the last song you listened to?

[thorny steeple]

route 9

~topic

[molten mica]

If you could talk to animals and they would understand you, but you couldn’t understand them, what would you do with that power?

[thorny steeple]

talk to cats

~topic

[molten mica]

What’s the most amazing place in nature you’ve been?

[thorny steeple]

hmmm

nowhere feels like home unless you have ur favourite person with u

~topic

[molten mica]

Where is the most awe-inspiring place you have been?

[thorny steeple]

market 👽

~topic

[molten mica]

What animal would be cutest if scaled down to the size of a cat?

[thorny steeple]

lion?

~topic

[molten mica]

What food looks disgusting but tastes delicious?

[wispy crescent]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

とてもうんこしたいです

do i look like one?

[formal pilot]

Sup hydro homies

[obsidian shore]

Religion is good
Humans are just stupid

[formal pilot]

Humans created the religion

While being stupid

[thorny steeple]

Spinoza's God>

[obsidian shore]

Let's say the masses are stupid then

[formal pilot]

You said humans are stupid

I'm just using your formula

[formal pilot]

According to your logic indeed they're

[obsidian shore]

Yes they are.

[obsidian shore]

General populace is easily manipulated

[thorny steeple]

Yo

What is going on?

hi people

[thorny steeple]

true that

[obsidian shore]

As well religion isn't man made.
You are forgetting animism and druidic lore. Nature is the God. Not man, you must respect nature as it is the creator 🤷‍♂️
I like religion but I hate people because of their narrow mindedness and ignorance

[thorny steeple]

What are you guys talking about?

I mean, what is the topic?

[thorny steeple]

religion is good but politics is not. it misleads people for its own benifit.

[formal pilot]

Gotta go guys, it's my lecture time

[thorny steeple]

unfortunately every religion has become politics

[obsidian shore]

Politics is to control whilst religion/Philisophy is to understand

[formal pilot]

Religion played a crucial part in our evolution

Cya

[thorny steeple]

exactly and to control is to divide.

division brings misery and suffering

regilion should be non-dual, intact.

complementary not contradictory

[thorny steeple]

I am not against the truth, but a majority of people are now doing all the things which are sacrilegious in the name of religion.

there are always exceptions.

i think reproduction has become mechanical and nobody is paying intricate attention to what they are actually doing.

[obsidian shore]

It's unfortunate and then outsiders will say 'this is your religion ' 😐

[obsidian shore]

I'll be the next chinghis khan

[thorny steeple]

this sense of our and I and you is the root cause of all problems.

[wispy crescent]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

then please kill me first, i want to go back to the unmanifest form from manifest.

Being a monkey is joyful; being a human is a state of making a conscious decision in choosing between a monkey and a Buddha; being a Buddha is having clarity.

[inland musk]

Buddha is bro's disciple

[thorny steeple]

he is my advisor

we go on road trips and see suffering.

[main bison]

Jesuuusss

[thorny steeple]

I think human consciousness is a tragic misstep in human evolution. We became too self aware; nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself. We are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self, a secretion of sensory experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody’s nobody. I think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.

[thorny steeple]

In short be emancipated, be free.

but that cannot happen so play hide and seek with God.

The desire of the ego to survive leads to conflicts, procreation, and possession. Free will is an illusion. A person who is not content and unrestricted by what they own is said to be driven by will. Regretfully, unless you observe them mindfully and comprehend their essence, the impulse multiplies rather than going away.

[formal pilot]

"We're creature that shouldn't exist by natural law"
Elaborate this

Humans are epitome of natural selection

[thorny steeple]

I read somewhere that Arthur Schopenhauer said, "Man can do what he wills, but he cannot will what he wills." Ever since that day, I have felt like a clown and a king together.

[formal pilot]

I'm not good with philosophy, gimme scientifc explanation

[thorny steeple]

Our nature is to be free from nature. Hence, we want to be liberated from nature. From time, space, and change.

We are constantly searching for answers, does not matter how much money we have we need somthing more, what is that more? the urge to be free.

not wanting more is freedom because now you have gained what you were wanting to gain.

[feral river]

You won’t think about free if you can’t even get enough food 😂

There is a thing called priority

[warm patio]

Living young wild and freeee

[thorny steeple]

I am saying be that poor that you wouldn't think about even reproducing.

[feral river]

Yeah ?

[formal pilot]

Our nature is to f and reproduce

[feral river]

Why you think it matters

If you can’t afford a kid

Why you are gonna have one ?

[formal pilot]

Philosophy isn't science, it's just yapping

[thorny steeple]

Kid is not a commodity. The moment you give birth to a child, you become responsible for his/her death, and all the chaos the kid will cause.

[warm patio]

Freedom is beautiful but responsibilities are necessary too otherwise the society won't sustain

[tardy stirrup]

Which one

[thorny steeple]

the question is why to sustain it?

[feral river]

Hummm I would say our nature is f because it can generate a lot of dopamine that satisfies yourself

[thorny steeple]

animal nature

[formal pilot]

We're animals on steroid aka best animal

[thorny steeple]

that is animal nature not human nature

[feral river]

And the f is the way to reproduction.

So you are satisfied by f, not reproduction

[thorny steeple]

humans can be liberated, animals are driven by senses.

[feral river]

That’s the difference

[feral river]

That’s your conclusion, not a consensus

[thorny steeple]

but they can go beyond them

[tardy stirrup]

I almost thought it was a troll

[thorny steeple]

.

[thorny steeple]

is that so?

it will make sense someday.

exactly

[formal pilot]

If I chose to be monkey I'll be genetically monkey??

[feral river]

They all materials but the brain of the human is just more complicated and more advanced.😂

You can drive nothing without materials

[thorny steeple]

our minds are the products of evolution, hence you can be a human with a monkey mind.

[warm patio]

Doesn't liberation mean not doing anything because afterall anything what one loves is ephemeral (won't exist after one dies) challenges gives one problems and stress but the happiness that it gives us is also abundant.In think one should focus on his purpose and be present completing it freedom(from anxiety and past)

[formal pilot]

||Women can't drive anything|| just saying

[thorny steeple]

no no you are misinterpreting what I am trying to convey

[feral river]

Idk what you are trying to convey

[thorny steeple]

wait I will explain

[warm patio]

Habibi

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but extinction has a different connotation here.

let me elaborate

[feral river]

Precisely, there is no one can be irresponsible for their actions, they were forced to take that and everyone has different degree of freedom and they will pay for their freedom.

Freedom is not a free stuff, it has prices

[formal pilot]

Human with monkey mind?? But how?? Gimme scientifc explanation

• humans are not descended from monkeys or any other primate living today. We just share ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago.

@thorny steeple I'm sorry if I don't understand your point, I'm not good with philosophy, I need scientifc explanation and equations

[thorny steeple]

Violence is a disease of human beings, but it is not so for beasts. For beasts, it is their nature.There is no possibility of nonviolence at the level of beasts. That is why they don’t have any idea of violence. Violence is the disease that man has inherited from beasts, and it is a disease.obstructing his evolving consciousness. It can be said that one who is not willing to wipe out one’spast, is refusing his evolution. If I continue to remain what I was yesterday, it means my ’today’ is wasted. If I wish to make progress, there is no other way for me but to go beyond yesterday.The past must be transcended. The ’past’ of man is his beasthood, and the ’future’ leads him to god-hood. But one who does not transcend beasthood cannot enter the temple of God. But oneWhoever desires to achieve the ’future'—to a attain God—has to die every day towards the past, becomediseased. That disease is like this: suppose a child who has put on his clothes refuses to wear them.away even when he grows up.

[feral river]

I don’t believe in god.

Please don’t provide religious content

[thorny steeple]

god does not mean that which you mean.

liberation freedom and bliss i am trying to sy

[feral river]

Why would I care ?

[formal pilot]

Without violence humans wouldn't have existed

[thorny steeple]

i am just trying to explain

[thorny steeple]

would be good then

[feral river]

Well good job but it based on a religious content

[formal pilot]

Please check my grammar, sounds like it's wrong

[thorny steeple]

no freedom, heaven is exaggeration of human desires

[feral river]

It can’t be reliable because it was based on religion

You can believe in that, that’s your freedom

[thorny steeple]

come on guys, linguistics are now prohibiting your intelligence to function?

[tardy stirrup]

and how exactly do we "transcend beasthood"

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/no-push-nope-denied-gif-11148504

[thorny steeple]

have you heard about the nature of electron?

that its movement is completely random

[feral river]

Because you are trying to proof you are right by mentioning the god

[thorny steeple]

unprecedented?

[tardy stirrup]

yeah it's a wh0re

[tardy stirrup]

@thorny steeple

[feral river]

I don’t think you are right since you mentioned a thing that we don’t have consensus

And it’s highly biased

[thorny steeple]

by understanding, it is the nature of consciousness to search and understand.

[feral river]

God doesn’t justify anything.

[tardy stirrup]

Can I get an example?

[thorny steeple]

it does not, you are just conditioned by god word so much that now whenever you hear it you freak out.

[formal pilot]

Yeah ik that, thanks for reminding me, I've a project to finish about quantum mechanics (Euclidean path integrals)

Now please tell me how we can change our DNA sequence to become monkey

[split plover]

i wanna go back to monkey monkeys are so adorable :{[

[formal pilot]

I want monkey mind ngl

[thorny steeple]

yeah, wait

[tardy stirrup]

Alr

[thorny steeple]

let me find a good way to explain

[tardy stirrup]

Example

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/sliding-chimp-chimpanzee-diaper-gif-10675380

[tardy stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/koba-planet-of-the-apes-gif-25302544

[thorny steeple]

it would be good then

far better than beasthood

[thorny steeple]

sorry, but I cannot find an adequate example for this situation, if I will find something relevant i will send it to you.

[prisma mortar]

throwing your feces sure is adorable

[thorny steeple]

it is good, i have lived well, but trust me one day you will get bored and you will say the same thing.

it will take time but it is bound to happen

[silver vault]

Why is chat not political

[prisma mortar]

nice rhyme
species
feces

such musicality

[thorny steeple]

dude because of humans and global warming everyday 30k species are getting extinct.

and all these elon and bezoz wont take you to mars

[silver vault]

That sure is a lot of " foreigners " with voting rights NRC might be actually needed

https://www-hindustantimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/more-than-1-59-lakh-declared-as-foreigners-in-assam-himanta-biswa-sarma-101707746927720-amp.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17078195239572&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hindustantimes.com%2Findia-news%2Fmore-than-1-59-lakh-declared-as-foreigners-in-assam-himanta-biswa-sarma-101707746927720.html

[thorny steeple]

3 species per hour*

sorry

They estimate that more than 1 million species will be lost by 2050.

[north wedge]

100k D voters is crazy

[thorny steeple]

trust me only humans will remain 😂

fittest will survive but they will lose by winning

we have sucked up all the milk from mother earth's breasts.

i know, but we are not completely matter.

do you think that we are matter?

like 100%?

then we shouldnt discuss because humans are 50%matter and 50% consciousness

dont tell me you dont know this

[silent arch]

I mean yeah NRC as a concept is great but yk the older generation in all states hasn't done a good job at preserving their legal documents

[thorny steeple]

physics

[silent arch]

so implementing it is still going to be challenging

[thorny steeple]

I know you have your own thesis but you do know that science runs on hypothesis right?

and science investigates matter

so for study of matter science is best, but what I was talking about here is related to spiritual realm.

not religion becuase religion is poltics.

science is study of matter, spirituality is study of the one who studies.

observing the observer

[tardy stirrup]

oh?

[silver vault]

well i guess the rules include the minorities of the neighbouring countries which can seek refuge i can see why some people may want to avoid that rule but i genuinely want better border control here , especially in NE region

[tardy stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/oogwaymitchell-gif-21252758

[silent arch]

What about the refugees?

[thorny steeple]

to raise your consciousness beyond time and space. to become unmanifest from manifest. Back to the souce from where life originates.

[north wedge]

There aren't that many from the muslim and other communities

[cerulean ore]

And that's bs

[silent arch]

Yeh lol wait

[thorny steeple]

by studying and recognizing your own self, transcending your conditioning, and animal instincts.

meditation is a way, but people do not know how to meditate.

meditation has become a business

being less animalistic

[cerulean ore]

I think we have some moral obligation to the refugees too. Sending back isn't really an option if they've been in the country for decades but the rule doesn't apply for immigrants after 2014 so I guess that takes care of the borders

[thorny steeple]

you cant be non human while you are alive but you will not respawn here after you are dead.

[cerulean ore]

(or at least helps us differentiate between legitimate citizens and illegitimate ones)

[thorny steeple]

cant guarantee that but you will be more happy will least

[tardy stirrup]

y'all talking about caa bill?

[silent arch]

we do but c'mon other than the people mentioned in CAA category which other groups have a chance of being actually refugees??

[thorny steeple]

by humans i meant ego, because we are nothing but an idea.

[silent arch]

Yep

[tardy stirrup]

Against or in favor?

[thorny steeple]

you must feel I am stupid right?

[cerulean ore]

None

Oh ahamdiya muslims ig?

[thorny steeple]

do not worry, quantum physics says that too.

[silent arch]

@cerulean ore we also let in rohingyas during their persecution as well i don't got problem with that but the current number of illegal immigrants flowing between borders defintely don't all come under refugees condition

[silent arch]

I really don't think it's as bad as some people are making it out to be, so I'm in favor

[cerulean ore]

NRC will take care of the Bangladeshi immigrants who illegally entered to seek better opportunities

[sudden glade]

Are we serious yet?

[tardy stirrup]

Indeed
I am in favor too

[cerulean ore]

Well this is what we've said for all BJP initiated bills so I think it's a matter of time

[silent arch]

don't think that will be implemented in full

[tardy stirrup]

"andho main kana raja"

[thorny steeple]

y'all are indians?

[sudden glade]

only worst option*

[tardy stirrup]

Not all
but few

[thorny steeple]

damn

[tardy stirrup]

oh?
which one do you think is better?
rahul gandhi💀 ?

[thorny steeple]

And I am here expounding vigyan bhairava tantra to y'all

[silent arch]

Why is Rahul Gandhi the only go-to option after bjp?

[thorny steeple]

good luck, may lord shiva liberate you.

[tardy stirrup]

No No
There is sp
bsp
they are worse

[thorny steeple]

bhai 😂

[tardy stirrup]

Mamata banerjea solos
dark magic ftw

[thorny steeple]

being an atheist, theist, and agnostic is all nonsense

[sudden glade]

anyone literate, not chaiwala

[north wedge]

Doesn't it sometimes feels that people are getting way too obsessed with politics?

[tardy stirrup]

those so-called literate were a cancer for this country

[sudden glade]

true

[north wedge]

Let's all name the jumlas modi has spoken about

[tardy stirrup]

someone watched dhruv rathee recently💀

[sudden glade]

omg you guys use instagram alot

[sudden glade]

and deshbhakth

[silent arch]

Moth stop writing para

[cerulean ore]

I think people don't obsess enough. If you're going to obsess over anything, why not the thing that actually affects your life? People are too lax about understanding what's going on in their countries (and other countries). That's why we always get stupid people in power who only want to benefit themselves

[cerulean ore]

I couldn't help myself

[tardy stirrup]

Agreed

LMAO

[formal pilot]

What we talking

It's the best party in entire universe

[sudden glade]

certainly the worst*

[formal pilot]

Stop taxing me I'll stop talking about politics

[tardy stirrup]

Which one is better in your opinion sir

[formal pilot]

Any party that embraces scientific thinking is best

[sudden glade]

why would I tell you< so that you can judge me on that basis? lol

[tardy stirrup]

the GDP difference in the last 10 years says it all

[formal pilot]

Meanwhile

[tardy stirrup]

Just say there isnt one

[sudden glade]

idk what you guys are taking about, but good luck with that xD

[formal pilot]

During covid, it was bad

[sudden glade]

Mathematics is amazing, numbers are verses of a great song.

[formal pilot]

Do you guys know GDP of California > GDP of india?

[sudden glade]

do you guys notice, the % growth is still for years? nothing changed

[sudden glade]

i'm not pointing out "During Covid"

[tardy stirrup]

I said the last 10 years
you really dont know what we are talking about eh

[sudden glade]

https://www.mathgoodies.com/lessons/graphs/line
very usefull, must read

[silent arch]

Imo, Bjp has to move from Hindutva ideology and restore back to a secular approach but that is nearly impossible as this was their whole political ideology

[sudden glade]

come with a stats, talk is cheap

you still don't get my point, GDP growth, on avg, is still

lol i cant argue on that, graphs are hard to read and understand

[formal pilot]

Dude GDP per capita is fukd there's nothing we can do

[tardy stirrup]

Alright sir
India was ranked number 10 in 2013
now it's number 5

[sudden glade]

and you still didn't bothered to real lamao why?

[formal pilot]

At what cost??

[sudden glade]

ranked on what? where? by whom? wtf is ranked 5?

[tardy stirrup]

I wonder
congress?

[silent arch]

Do you think they'll change this ideology even after the massive support they're getting from their supporters?

[sudden glade]

on unemployment

[formal pilot]

Hate and un-scientific thinking

[silent arch]

Cause I don't really think it's possible

[tardy stirrup]

Let's get back to sq 1
which party is better
according to you

atleast we dont have bomb blasts every second day now

[silent arch]

What are you referencing?

[formal pilot]

Any party that promotes scientifc thinking, if there's non I'm gonna fight every single party, and do my best to educate people to eradicate BS party

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-jon-snow-battle-of-the-bastards-preparing-sword-gif-9409526

[silent arch]

@cerulean ore do you think our foreign policy rn is too Isolationist?

[sudden glade]

7

[tardy stirrup]

Well sir
we have to choose one
or you might get something shittier

[thorny steeple]

Bruh

[silver vault]

Bro pinging people and asking for their opinion was my stint

[thorny steeple]

I spoke with him yesterday

So chillout

[spring zephyr]

sup catto?

[silent arch]

You ask baseless questions

[silver vault]

[spring zephyr]

How was the exam?

[thorny steeple]

You okay?

[spring zephyr]

And, still you need more?

[formal pilot]

Crime against women??
Atleast we don't have bomb blast

Crime against minorities??

Atleast we're vishvaguruu

Can we Promote scientific thinking??

Let's make gas by putting a pot on gutter

[spring zephyr]

I looked. And?

[sudden glade]

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

[formal pilot]

In my country indeed it's ok

Dude you have to identify the problem instead of saying we don't have choice

[spring zephyr]

Glad that my parents are a bit chill .

[sudden glade]

they have lost the will to think, sadly accepting whatever internet says

[livid grotto]

Hello!

[silver vault]

This is a common tactic between these people

[spring zephyr]

Lol i aint muslim.

[formal pilot]

Skill issue

[silver vault]

BJP supporters often resort to whataboutism as a defense mechanism when confronted with criticism or uncomfortable truths about their party's actions

[spring zephyr]

Lol no, i'm just roleplayin.

I am a Hindu Sher .

[silver vault]

ew

[sudden glade]

logical fallacies are their primary weapon

[silver vault]

Maybe just don't support this ideology?

[north wedge]

Support me

Wait, I'll give you my paypal

[sudden glade]

bro said one good thing

[spring zephyr]

Still can feed your whole forefathers and all citizens of your beloved country.

[sour parrot]

Why do people here always discuss India?

[silver vault]

Y'all

[tawdry agate]

bcoz they are indians

[silver vault]

do North Indians have any job at all always trending with some dumbest shit💀

[formal pilot]

STFU we're 5th largest economy

||5% of the population control more than 60% of wealth|| hue hue hue

[spring zephyr]

Cuz, they are jealous how they are bein possessed by a 3rd world country .

[sour parrot]

Not everyone is Indian here. I feel outsiders are more interested in Indian politics, they keep poking Indians here who mostly avoid talking about it.

[tardy stirrup]

Crime against women
that's a shame on our country indeed
but sir which party ended the "3 talaq" again?
and
which party started "Beti Bachao Beti Padhao"
I do agree bjp sucks in a lot of places but there is not a better option as of yet

[tardy stirrup]

Cuz the most populated country?

[tawdry agate]

no i dont have it

[sudden glade]

mee too ig

[spring zephyr]

Feel free to create another Enghub and lets see how many members you feed .

[sour parrot]

@formal pilot @thorny steeple where are you two from?
I don't think you two are Indians but always see you discussing Indian politics.

[formal pilot]

I'm indian

[silver vault]

Posers...

[spring zephyr]

Bro is super obsessed with ppl havin anime pfps.

[silver vault]

Ain't no way?!?

[tawdry agate]

yeah

[sour parrot]

@formal pilot drop your solutions for keeping India more safe for women.

[silver vault]

Who will tell these simple-minded goofs that statistic alone doesn't paint a complete picture of the country's socio-economic landscape

[spring zephyr]

I hope atleast our generation makes use of umbrellas properly .

[silver vault]

@cerulean ore you hear that, right?

[sudden glade]

even stats are not correct with them

[tardy stirrup]

Again
what does it have to do with anything I said?
I do agree it's a shame and they should do something about it
and I did say even bjp sucks at a lot of places
my point remains
there is no better option as of yet

troll?

[sudden glade]

not the one you support 😔

[livid grotto]

Can I seek attention to engage in the conversation ???

[sour parrot]

The other day you were saying you are not Indian but your mum is and your father comes from some east asian country. You didn't seem very comfortable in revealing your nationality and today you are so confident that you are an Indian. Be real.

[sudden glade]

sure my dude, welcome

[thorny steeple]

Sure🔨

[formal pilot]

Eradicate all the MPs with crimes against women

Eradicate Exception 2 to Section 375 of the Indian Penal Code (marital rape isn't considered as rape unless she's 15)

Pass harsh law for criminal who commit crimes on women

[tardy stirrup]

he's indian
he know thala memes

[formal pilot]

Check this they're our MPs with criminal records

[tardy stirrup]

Some mp names?

[livid grotto]

ohh blessed!

[tardy stirrup]

Exactly
something is better than nothing

[cerulean ore]

BJP claimed we'll have a GDP of 5 trillion by 2017 I think

[silver vault]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

Did we achieve it

[spring zephyr]

In the refrigerator.

[sudden glade]

you guys might be claimed beggars, some people are blessed with critical thinking as well.

[livid grotto]

kinda u

[sudden glade]

Lol, sure it is.

[cerulean ore]

around 3.5 trillion in 2023

[tardy stirrup]

They claimed a lot of stuff that didnt turn out to be true
politicians are the biggest liars
they lie a lot
But did the parties before bjp not lie at all?

[silver vault]

We atleast BJP cares about our country yk

[thorny steeple]

People

[tardy stirrup]

A bit yeah

[thorny steeple]

Say hello to @thorny steeple

[cerulean ore]

They did

[thorny steeple]

If you need free WiFi

[thorny steeple]

This won't make any change, till people are aware and get sex education. Cause in India, sex is still looks like heavenly pleasure. Without changing the mindset,it will keep happening like this.
Like Europe is the best example why crime against women is low there. I ain't supporter of Europe tho, but if one get to learn from anyone, then we should learn.
Harsh law can be one option but it isn't possible in a country like India.

[tardy stirrup]

So i hope my point remains

[cerulean ore]

modi is worse but decent so far

[thorny steeple]

Political Debate

[tardy stirrup]

huh?
the USA and many European countries do have more rapes per capita than India. Sweden is about fifteen times more rape infested than India.

[cerulean ore]

I believe so, yeh

[thorny steeple]

Wait someone is gonna ping the mod

[silver vault]

Ain't no way, you just said that

[thorny steeple]

See the population man.

[mossy pulsar]

How was comp ?

[thorny steeple]

Cus I was not being serious

[tardy stirrup]

💀

[mossy pulsar]

Me 4 ;-;

[mossy pulsar]

dude it was a sht paper

[cerulean ore]

Irdc about what they did in economical areas but they sure fucked the country hard in Gujarat riots

[formal pilot]

I don't speak English i don't speak Spanish i speak faccs

[livid grotto]

wut if we discuss with the persentage

then wull see

[thorny steeple]

Facts depend on perspective

[tardy stirrup]

lemme research on those names
brb

[formal pilot]

My solution was for immediate actions, yeah for long terms we need to work on education

[thorny steeple]

% don't reflect the true picture at least on a big scale.

[mossy pulsar]

Exactly :(

true

[thorny steeple]

In politics, nth can be changed overnight.

[livid grotto]

oh

[formal pilot]

If someone raped a minor what's the perspective to say that he didn't commit a crimes?

[livid grotto]

The term ' politics' here seems to be hard to understand from my pov

[thorny steeple]

If there is any universal fact then why in many cases predators are saved.

Man you aren't aware of the context. And yeah I agree with you, that's why stats have a huge role on govt. plans or any Yojana

[formal pilot]

Gimme one context justifying rapes in modern age

[thorny steeple]

As idk if it is sin?

There are many, just people aren't aware of those. Yeah they are less but not that less.

I ain't supporting anything lady. You are just missing the context.

[thorny steeple]

I ain't a better person to give it.

You are aware of this only?

[formal pilot]

What about yellowish green crunchy pink notes??

[thorny steeple]

Don't know

[sudden glade]

The govt reduced the price of LPG on women day, what does that mean?

[thorny steeple]

Are you eligible to cast vote this yr?

[sour parrot]

How will anyone prove marital rape in the first place?
Harsher laws can be misused.
Such laws are misused I guess because there's no law which prohibits women against misusing these and marital rape law will get misused a lot.
It's easy said then done. Indian Judiciary is considering these but it will take time, I don't think so just writing down these on discord helps, lawmakers need to consider many things before anything becomes law. Though I agree MPs with any crime record shouldn't get to make laws.

[thorny steeple]

Ah understandable now.

[formal pilot]

Lemme teach you my friend

[thorny steeple]

Nah man, I don't need your teaching.

[silver vault]

omg we are still on this..

[tardy stirrup]

sir u sure that those charges are of sexual harassment?

[formal pilot]

Those are all criminal records some of them are crime against women

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/swat-gif-17979428

[formal pilot]

@thorny steeple we can change overnight laws sir

[silent arch]

Why are most of the bjp supporters either misogynistic or just right-wing lol?

[tardy stirrup]

I did try to research about one
but I'm having a hard time finding
anurag singh thakur
But I'm having a hard time finding news about some sexual violence/violence against women
I might be wrong

[silver vault]

Should be pretty obvious actually

[sudden glade]

cause people having IQ above room temp wont do it

[formal pilot]

https://thewire.in/politics/bjp-mp-yet-to-be-disqualified-from-up-assembly-despite-conviction-in-rape-case-three-days-ago

I can help you sir

[tardy stirrup]

MLA?
Weren't we talking about mp's

plus Anurag Singh Thakur
the report says 13 allegations
I did try to find some
but failed
I might be wrong
so find them for me so I can be at rest

[tardy stirrup]

293.15 - 298.15 is sure a lot

[thorny steeple]

back

[tardy stirrup]

Yeah I did go to this website but failed to see anything that was against women