🧠｜serious-chat

[cedar oar]

Speaking about human rights. Why did pretty much every Socialist regime turn out authoritarian, where did they go wrong?

People can't have true self-determination if their being told that certain things did not happen or that the CCP is good

[feral river]

China is a nation that highly focus on unity, our official law says we are multiple race nation but we all call ourselves as "Chinese" at the first, it's just like maybe you are black or you are white, but you are the american at the first time, but in China, thing goes more seriously which means you can't say you are black or white, we are all the same as Chinese.

[cedar oar]

North Korean people don't have self-determination either, do they?

[vapid hare]

External pressures, such as geopolitical rivalries and Cold War dynamics, influenced the trajectory of socialist regimes, leading to militarization and repressive measures. (IMO) also because of authoritarian strongmen who consolidated power in their hands

[cedar oar]

So what, why commit so many humans right abuses

[cedar oar]

Yeah that's a good theory. Thankfully some countries have less censorship than others, like Vietnam

[feral river]

so it has conflict with the Uhygur people usually recognized them as Uhygur and they believe in Islam mostly they have strong independence willing from China, that's why we suppress them, building concentration camps, installing cameras and dismantle the mosques.

[thorny steeple]

True

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[cedar oar]

So in other words, fascism

[cedar oar]

I don't see why you had to link the channel

[thorny steeple]

Not just Uyghur muslims, the South East Asian countries aswell and claiming the South China Sea as their own

[feral river]

if you click this ?

[thorny steeple]

I heard of chinese using these water thing on boats

[cedar oar]

What do you mean?

[feral river]

building airfields and military structures, claim it back.

[feral river]

it's a link to a message not a channel, can you click it ?

[vapid hare]

Vietnam is still considered a one-party state iirc (still miles better than North Korea ofc)

[thorny steeple]

You know your government keeps lying on you

[cedar oar]

I see, I thought it was just a channel link, I haven't see anyone else utilising that feature, must be new

[cedar oar]

Vale already had a good counterpoint to this

[thorny steeple]

But its very sad for the China. You see as their population grows there will be little resources for them

[cedar oar]

Here #🧠｜serious-chat message

[feral river]

you guess what I responded LOL

[vapid hare]

the sovereign right to oppress an ethnic group?

[cedar oar]

I see, then I replied, then you, then I. But his arguement still stands. This was meant to be a reply to #🧠｜serious-chat message

[feral river]

well we don't recognized them as an ethnic group, they are literally Chinese.

we are not a federal state.

[cedar oar]

You don't have to be a federal state to have ethnic groups

[vapid hare]

you're oppressing your own people then, how does that make it better?

[feral river]

if you curious, they are literally illegal if they participated political events like protests, spreading hate over society and creating division of the Chinese nation

that is a vague stuff like they don't need permission from the court to judge and they literally are permitted to put them into re-education camp(concentration camp)

[thorny steeple]

Booo

[cedar oar]

I think you meant their actions are illigal. But even if so, supressing an ethnic group is fascism which goes agains the whole Communism thing and liberty thing as well

[feral river]

not me, I mean Chinese government.

they are literally illegal under the law of the People's Republic of China

this is the truth.

[cedar oar]

Also, how are protests illigal? Seriously, this is 1984 level of authoritarianism

[thorny steeple]

Obviously you support these atrocities made by your own government

[cedar oar]

The concentration camps? Elaborate further

[feral river]

it is 🤣 that's why I said say fuck to enemies values (western values)

[thorny steeple]

Does that mean fuck the white people too

?

[cedar oar]

Western values? Liberty is a human value, and besides, how is supressing people for protesting allowed

[feral river]

well in our script, there is no such thing called concentration camp, it's literally re-education camp that used for educate the people who violated some of the law of the PRC especially Uhygurs and Tibetans.

[feral river]

well you can say that's human value but we don't recognize.

[cedar oar]

It's a conentration camp but not in name

[feral river]

no one recognize this in China.

[thorny steeple]

Its definitely modern holocaust

[feral river]

true, but they have their explaination about how it works, and as I said I have a friend which currently working in the camp, he can earn up to 2500 USD per month so it's huge and he's member of the CCP.

[cedar oar]

I don't think you can say "we" for the entirity of China, because they are told many many lies and I don't think I need to go further than this

[feral river]

I just explaining this to you if you curious, not anything else.

[cedar oar]

It's a concentraition camp nonetheless, even if you can earn that much money

[feral river]

furthermore, can you guess what did they usually do in the camp except study ?

[cedar oar]

And what are your sources for all of this?

[thorny steeple]

torture and exterminating them ofcc

[cedar oar]

I'll be back in a bit, chat

Maybe in ~30 min.

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

[feral river]

nope, that's pointless, they usually producing cottons in the camp.

that's why Xinjiang cotton so damn cheap

and they produce a looooooot to supply the requirements of the other places in China and they indeed export them internationally

[main bison]

Guys

Do you Recognize Kosovo as a country?

[feral river]

well because I can't find another english word that replace "我们" which is we, you can even know that when I'm saying something like Chinese stuff I usually use "we" because that is just a habit

[vapid hare]

That depends on whether you're from Kosovo or not

[feral river]

they are literally taking huge profit from this and boosted Chinese economy 🤣

I know it's pretty ridiculous for you because in your value that respecting human rights, democracy, civil rights, is basic.

but we have our version of explaination of the human rights, democracy and civil rights, and it's completely different compared to yours 🤣

they even consider your values of civil rights and democracy is literally outdated, because of marxism says the socialism and communism will replace capitalism etc.

but for me, I don't care those stuff I just know it and I'm a capitalist, I support anything which benefit me, not China.

[thorny steeple]

Not really its just an illusion, a propaganda that socialism and communism is percect

[vapid hare]

What is your country's version of human rights, civil rights, and democracy?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_democratic_dictatorship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism–Leninism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_Socialist_Values

you may curious how democractic and dictatorship 🤣 ? so just read the article.

[vapid hare]

Ah so the "People's Democratic Dictatorship" prioritizes the authority of the CCP and the collective interest of the people over individual freedoms/rights?

[feral river]

yep it's just like that

[vapid hare]

I see. brb I will read the two other articles further

[feral river]

our democracy is not elective system, is not voting, it's the CCP works for people's interest.

if you read those article and you know what was the values of the Chinese people, I'm gonna say how it worked in China

actually CCP is still representing the majority of people's interest.

including me, because I'm a Han Chinese they respect me and I have my freedom to do a lot of stuff, like I travelled a lot of east asian countries etc.

[cedar oar]

Back

[cedar oar]

I don't think you understood the point of my message

[cedar oar]

They're literally being fed lies and have their freedoms restricted

[vapid hare]

From what I've read, Marxist-Leninism (the guiding ideology of the CCP) advocates for a centralized, one-party socialist state led by a vanguard party (that is the CCP) which differs from western values such as democracy and liberalism.

[cedar oar]

This arguement has already been countered numerous times

[feral river]

yes they call themselves democratic, respects civil rights etc.

and most people think, yes why not they respect our interests ?

why would I do something to get me into trouble

[cedar oar]

Democracy definitly is not outdated. And I'm prettt sure Karl Marx himself liked it, which again, goes against the whole Communism thing

[feral river]

well if you are trying to enlight me, I'm just saying their explaination of democracy.

I think I know western democracy very well

[cedar oar]

I'm not trying to enlighten you, I'm just arguing for the sake of doing so

[cedar oar]

Their explanation?

[feral river]

you can see the 3 article I mentioned and you will know it.

[vapid hare]

Marx favored direct democracy rather than the liberal democracy dominant across much of the world today

[cedar oar]

It's still democracy nontheless

[thorny steeple]

Idk guys but I just wanna flex on all of you

[cedar oar]

I checked a bit of them, but since we aren't arguing about anything now, what's the point

[feral river]

the point is you may think they did genocide on Uhygur people but no one literally cares in China 🤣

[cedar oar]

If that was the topic, then the arguement stirred too much. And people would care if they weren't told about how great CCP is. And them caring does not matter. What matters is that it's a crime against humanity

Anyway, new debate. @vapid hare, what if the Mensheviks took power instead of the Bolsheviks?

[feral river]

idk why you are saying that CCP is telling people that they are great not they worked properly and Chinese economy boomed so people likes CCP ?

fr they doubled Chinese economy

tripled

[cedar oar]

They definitly are, and you aren't really allowed to criticize them, and censorship exists as well

[feral river]

I'm allowed to do that 💀

[cedar oar]

At what cost. And other parties could do that too

Anyway, this topic is for another today

Mensheviks for now

[cedar oar]

Do it in wechat

[feral river]

I did.

[cedar oar]

Show us

Oh we, I'll be back in around 20 minutes

[vapid hare]

brb

[feral river]

I said it's concentration camp in 2023 may 18 🤣

[feral river]

here

[cedar oar]

Back

[cedar oar]

Are you currently in China by the way?

[cedar oar]

Cool, then maybe that isn't censored

@thorny steeple

Delete their messages too

Thanks

[cedar oar]

But you can't deny that the public is heavily encouraged to support the CCP

[onyx hazel]

How so? Can you read Chinese people's thoughts?

I can't even take it serious, omg 💀

[cedar oar]

No, but I can read about what the CCP is doing

Wait, before we talk. Do you actually live in China?

[onyx hazel]

And what are they doing?

[cedar oar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

[cedar oar]

But answer this as well

[onyx hazel]

Wikipedia again

[cedar oar]

So what?

[onyx hazel]

Not even the right wing biased videos use wikipedia

[cedar oar]

A lot of people do use it. But what is your arguement against it? It's just western propoganda?

[cedar oar]

Also, answer this question

[onyx hazel]

Of course there are some things that are true, but mostly mistaken informations

[cedar oar]

And the originak topic was the Uyghur genocide

[cedar oar]

Mostly true, but some false things are in there is probably what you meant

What was that

A message just got sent and deleted really quickly

Whatever

[vapid hare]

The Mensheviks were more moderate, while the Bolsheviks were radicals. If the Mensheviks had taken power, Russia might have seen a more gradual shift toward socialism instead of the violent revolution led by the Bolsheviks.

[tawdry jasper]

Does anybody have any of the following games?

Rise of the tomb raider
Gta 4
Hitman absolution
Assasins creed brotherhood
Batman Arkham city

[cedar oar]

And is there any chance of them not becoming a dictatorship?

[vapid hare]

They believed in legal methods and cooperation with the other political parties that existed at the time, so a parliamentary system could have been established with multiple parties and regular elections (They aimed for Democratic-Socialism pretty much)

[cedar oar]

Do you think the Soviets would be better off with the Mensheviks?

[vapid hare]

It would probably be less authoritarian which would be good in general. A mixed economy might've also been pursued instead of the war communism implemented by the Bolsheviks. (This is all speculation btw, who knows what could've happened)|

[cedar oar]

Agreed with the former. And there would also be no Stalin, which is a huge plus

[cedar oar]

Speculation that I like, but yes, who knows. The smallest things in history could change the entire world

Like how Napoleon almost got killed in the siege of Toulon by a British soldier

[vapid hare]

since a more moderate version of socialism is practiced, maybe socialism/communism in general would be more accepted by the world too

[cedar oar]

Yeah, and it would be harder to slander it and call it tyranny

Marxism-Leninism did a lot of damage to Communist party's' reputations

But that probably happenee in another universe

[vapid hare]

Maybe Democratic-Socialism replaces Marxism-Leninism as the predominant ideology of the Communist World

[cedar oar]

Yeah. And about Marxism-Leninism, what do you think of it?

[vapid hare]

Most Marxist-Leninist states are/were authoritarian (such as one-party states, leadership cults, centralized power, and suppression of dissent) so I have an unfavorable opinion of the ideology in general

[cedar oar]

Me too. But many leftists cherish it, why do you think that is?

[vapid hare]

brb in a sec

[cedar oar]

Ok

[feral river]

🤣 I live here 21 years and I'm currently in China

maybe next month I'm going to South Korea

[cedar oar]

Cool. But I noticed that you're using that emoji excessively, what's so funny about asking if you lived there or not?

Brb

[feral river]

because..... I don't know I just want to say and if you think it offended you I can stop

[main bison]

[feral river]

well I will hate them if they were like North Korea, a totalitarian regime which doesn't really care their people.

[main bison]

Bro do u think Chinese girls are more good-looking than koreans?

[feral river]

the point is whether they benefit their people or not to evaluate a good or bad regime for me.

[feral river]

well Korean girls more beautiful I guess.

[cedar oar]

Back

[feral river]

so I literally don't care what you guys says they may invade other country, they ignore the freaking voice from western international community, they did something terrible to minorities etc. they did it for the majority of people, that's all enough

I don't mind if they started a war for their own people

[cedar oar]

Not offended, just curious as to why. Because a lot of people on the internet like to use it to mock people, which I find pathethic

[vapid hare]

I think it's because some leftists think that in a parliamentary democracy, the ruling socialist/communist party would eventually be replaced by a bourgeois capitalist party and any progress made would be reversed by the bourgeoise.

[feral river]

I just think it's weird if you care other people more than yourself.

and in a capitalist nation

won't capitalist nation focus on themselves more ?

[cedar oar]

Well man, it's your point of view I guess. We were just debating

[feral river]

yeah but I would say I wondered why would this debate looks like this ?

[cedar oar]

Progress only gets reversed if it's bad (Good example: The USSR)

[cedar oar]

What do you mean by that?

[feral river]

I guess I said earlier that our values are different but you repeated your value about human rights many times and you want to trying to use this to convince me ? I said it's your western values not ours.

[vapid hare]

Some like to think otherwise. That's why they want Marxism-Leninism, so that one party (the Vanguard Party) can remain in power permanently and enact the change needed without any obstacles.

[cedar oar]

No, I simply tried to say that I agreed with Vale's statement. Tried to find the message to link it, but couldn't, but you know what I'm talking about

[odd quail]

What

The hell

[cedar oar]

I guess that's where leftism is at now, unfortunately

[odd quail]

How can you speak english this good?

[cedar oar]

I mean, my English is alright

[cedar oar]

Not good per-se

[odd quail]

I wanna practise my english

I wanna go abroad

[cedar oar]

I'd like to improve my vocabulary, and actually learn English grammar which I have not

[odd quail]

Thats grest

[obtuse perch]

Bla bla bla bla bla

[odd quail]

Great

[cedar oar]

Then make English be everywhere around you. Change your phone's language to English, try to think in English, correct your mistakes in English, use English

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/blah-blah-blah-gif-2813101195058663365

[odd quail]

Thanks

[cedar oar]

Especially the TV-content

[odd quail]

Thanks for help

[obtuse perch]

Yr everywhere

[feral river]

well when you joined a hot debate with another people you won't think about english stuff like me and go fight!

be your best you can be

[cedar oar]

No problem man, also, "Thanks for the help"* is how you say it correctly

[feral river]

if you can't use the freaking google translate and you know it next time use the word as your weapons to destroy another

[cedar oar]

You will keep it in mind if that's your goal though

[feral river]

well that's how I learned english

debate debate debate anytime

W

[formal pilot]

And spreading Chinese propaganda

That's exactly what @feral river has become

[cedar oar]

There is still always room for improvement however, you could watch more videos, try reading books, or just do other things, they will help immensely

[feral river]

nope just let them know I'm the supreme leader 💀

[cedar oar]

Brb

[feral river]

you will instantly remember a word if you are trying to find a word to destroy your opponents and your grammar will dramatically improved which means if you don't thinking and typing fast you will lose definitely 💀

but I'm, I just take it serious and I'm here, It's a war and English is your gun.

be the best you can be anytime

and you will be the best!

[cedar oar]

Back

Also, forgot to reply to this. Like I said, we were simply debating, not caring about anybody more than ourselves

[cedar oar]

It will focus on what makes the most income

[feral river]

maybe that's what you think but the value of human rights is literally caring some people and it's literally political true so

[cedar oar]

Caring about human rights is also caring about yourself since they do apply to you too

[feral river]

but how could they do that on me ? I'm the majority so ?

they are representing my interest.

[cedar oar]

What do you mean by on you

I'm not sure what you meant there

[feral river]

I mean it doesn't make sense in a society which not fullfill of minorities like the United States

[cedar oar]

It does, because liberty is also a humans right, so is freedom of speech

[vapid hare]

He's Han Chinese and they're the majority in China so I think he means that they won't oppress him or something

[cedar oar]

But this debate is just gonna circle around again if we continue

[feral river]

well, you mean the liberty, the american spirit, allowed this to affiliated to human right including freedom of speech ?

[cedar oar]

There is still a lot of possibilities opress the majority. Germany under the Nazi's for example

[cedar oar]

Liberty is not the American spirrit, it is a human right. And like I said, if we continue, this debate will just circle around again

You will say traditions and customs, I will point out as to what Vale said, and it will just go on and on

And frankly, I think it would be better to debate over something else. Brb

[feral river]

but why you think if they don't work for majority of people and we won't start a rebellion to fight against them ?

the core value in our opinion is whether you are representing which sides interest.

if our interest were damaged, why you think we will let them remain in power ?

you may use thousand of excuses including solidarity, human rights, democracy etc. but if my interest were damaged why would I fucking care what they says ? their power is literally based on our trust if people don't trust them anymore they could do nothing.

just like what they did during covid times.

it's nearly impossible and unnecessary to oppress majority, and another thing, what is the point for oppressing majority ?

oppress and kill is measures, not goals.

just like they are oppressing Uhygurs because they want secure Chinese border and stablize the society in Xinjiang province, they killed people in Tiananmen square because they don't want to lose their power.

or here is an assumptions which is they can work properly because we trust them they will work for us, but what if they did something terrible to some of us like they are doing something terrible to the same race, same class and even same places as we are and what is the reason that we can continue to trust them to represent our interest ?

they are not god, no one trust them as a god, most people in China is atheist and they don't trust god they believe in science just like I do. maybe I'm not because I believe whether I'm the god or god doesn't exist.

[cedar oar]

Back

[feral river]

it is if you are the people who being killed. but most are not.

most people even benefiting from this.

nope I just stating the truth about what they do and it worked.

[cedar oar]

Guys, can we not debate fascist political choices by a so called Communist party today?

Ok, let's have a debate about something else then

Suggest something, @thorny steeple

How about debating if "The Most Serene Republic of Venice" was really all that serene

No problem. Tell me what you have knowledge about and are interested in discussing

Alright

[vapid hare]

gonna take like at least a few hours

[cedar oar]

History of the Republic of Venice summarized: Money through trade

[vapid hare]

Venice be wilding wth

[vapid hare]

Venice is the city in Italy right? idk much about it honestly (on an island)

[feral river]

isn't that in america ?

if it's not sorry for my geography

[cedar oar]

Not modern day Venice. I was talking about its past (~500 years before). Mostly Venice during the renaissance

[cedar oar]

Yeah

[vapid hare]

nope, it's in Italy

[feral river]

pizza

[vapid hare]

oh when it was a trade republic?

[cedar oar]

Well, technically, it's off the Italian mainland

[cedar oar]

It was a republic focused heavily on trade, so a merchant republic you could say

[vapid hare]

same thing 🗿

it was the medieval times, what did you expect lol

[cedar oar]

Merchant is the official way of calling republics who operate like that I'm pretty sure

[vapid hare]

well i learned something new ig ty 👍

[cedar oar]

I've heard about it, but I don't like reading Shakespeares plays though, I'd probably enjoy watching them instead

[cedar oar]

You're welcome

[vapid hare]

shakespeare invented many english words that are still in use today iirc

[cedar oar]

You would be much better off reading history books if you want to actually want some good insight about the past world

[grave temple]

😡 how dare u not enjoy shakespeare

jk tho

some of his plays are enjoyable tho

[cedar oar]

Not only that, but also,

Papal infallability
Divine right to rule
Absolute monarchy
Tyranny
No liberty
No equality
And I could probably still go on

Brb

[vapid hare]

At least life was simple though, so that's a plus

[grave temple]

that was legit in almost every shakespeare play

with women

hell no

[cedar oar]

Back

[vapid hare]

It just seems that way though I could be totally and completely wrong ofc. It seemed more leisurely and communities were smaller and thus more tight-knit as a result

[grave temple]

i legit couldnt stand the antisemitism in venic bro

that play was rough

[vapid hare]

💀 there's that too

[cedar oar]

I think the negatives heavily outweighed the positives though

[grave temple]

well this is where the image of the "greedy jew" comes from

[vapid hare]

true. You had limited healthcare, you had shorter lifespans, and there was a STRICT hierarchy between the nobles and peasants and more

[cedar oar]

I'm pretty I heard that it's a big misconsception that lifespans were short. Sure, short compared to today, but it wasn't as bad as it potrayed

[grave temple]

because the jewish were prohibited from practicing many jobs, they were forced to do money-lending (prohibited by the church). When they got rich off it, the dukes and nobles saw they got rich and increased taxes for the Jews. You get taxed more, therefore your interests go up, and that is where the anti-semitism comes in.

plus the jews "killed" jesus christ

[vapid hare]

The average lifespan was lower though, due to the higher infant mortality rates and frequent deaths from diseases

[grave temple]

thats why the play heavily emphases on skylock being treated as a second class citizen

well he isnt even a citizen to begin with

hes considered as an "outsider"

[cedar oar]

Yeah, and deaths occured from other things as well, such as

Getting stabbed
Being a heretic
Getting crushed by a barrel

Didn't the Romans do that?

[vapid hare]

I didn't know getting crushed by barrels were that frequent but okay

[formal pilot]

[cedar oar]

It wasn't frequent, but is was something that happened

[cedar oar]

Biladen, stop lurking dammit!

I think that happened because of a biblical story that got used to justify it

[vapid hare]

There was still the church though, didn't they do medical services for free or is that a misconception?

[grave temple]

According to the Bible, it was a traitor among Jesus' followers, Judas (a jew), sold Jesus to the Romans.

Therefore, according to Christians at the time, Jews were the ones responsible for Jesus' death and crucifixion.

[cedar oar]

I think this would be a better justification for them

[formal pilot]

[cedar oar]

And they flat out committed sins

[grave temple]

I think draining people of blood isn't considered as "medical services"

[feral river]

How is it going to religion again

[vapid hare]

Maybe? The church was very powerful up until the Great Schism but I don't know much honestly

[grave temple]

shakespearian time/religion

[cedar oar]

And even more. Even the pope's themselves were guilty of these things too

[feral river]

What is the pope actually ? Is that an emperor ?

[cedar oar]

The problem was, that if they accused somebody of committing a sin, they would get accused as well

[cedar oar]

He is the Catholic head of the church

Considered to be infallible, and held much power

[vapid hare]

Indeed. He is the Emperor of Mankind, you should obey him

[cedar oar]

Brb

Back

[vapid hare]

stop taking a shit every five seconds

[feral river]

Hummmmmm so he held power but why is he not in power

[cedar oar]

Yeah, very much agreed

[cedar oar]

He held, does not hold anymore

[grave temple]

A messager from God

but i call bs cus god doesn't need a messager

[feral river]

XD

[cedar oar]

And he can't be infallible, since he is a human being

[vapid hare]

The pope's still around though? Pope Francis or whatever

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[cedar oar]

Yes, but his power is nothing compared to what the pope's could do back then

[silver vault]

Bro can you do smth for me

[feral river]

Well I just remember a famous sentence from Joseph Stalin “The pope, how many divisions he have”

[vapid hare]

Compared to the height of the Papacy, yes, but he still holds authority over a billion or so catholics iirc

[north wedge]

Who is that on your pfp

[formal pilot]

Art of greeting

[silver vault]

my wife

[silver vault]

Can you fact check that if this thing is still being upheld?

https://indiankanoon.org/doc/623254/

[north wedge]

I think the age should be 18 now

[cedar oar]

It's still very incomparable. Back then, he could excommunicate nobles, which would make them much more vulnerabke to attack, and in todays world, he can't really do much, sure, he can excommunicate people, but that will be looked down upon unless it has a good reason

[silver vault]

Site the source. The person who got me engrossed in this stuff in the first place left the server

[vapid hare]

He still holds symbolic authority if that's worth anything

[cedar oar]

And also, since there is no clergical hierarchy in pretty much every country now, he's even weaker

[cedar oar]

It's worth tourist money

[thorny steeple]

Hey

What are you talking about ?

[cedar oar]

Medieval times, Religion, the pope

[vapid hare]

The Vatican gets the money, not Italy though

[cedar oar]

We were supposed to talk about the Republic of Venice

[thorny steeple]

It’s boring

[cedar oar]

Mods, excommunicate the heathen

[formal pilot]

Are you talking about exception 2??

[silver vault]

Yup

[vapid hare]

What if he suddenly legalizes transgenderism?? Do they just accept that

[cedar oar]

Did you guys know that the Catholic church accepts the big bang theory and evolution?

Orthodox, how?

[cedar oar]

The church would split again if he dared to

[cedar oar]

But didn't he say that it's not a crime?

[vapid hare]

but he didn't explicitly say it was acceptable right?

[cedar oar]

Oh, I thought Orthodox Christianity

[formal pilot]

Yeah in india marital r""e isn't considered as r""e

[cedar oar]

I think he decriminilized it, but still called it a sin

Better than politics

[vapid hare]

is this it?

[formal pilot]

It's completely BS

[cedar oar]

I just remember seeing a video of him saying that

[formal pilot]

Someone challenged this law, it's in court rn

[silver vault]

The person I was discussing about this was all apprehensive about the cases that might be false or probably take advantage of the said law. But when I looked at its provision, I was like bro, how's a 15 yrs old gonna say such stuff out of ill intentions?!

[cedar oar]

It means to get a Catholic blessing

[formal pilot]

Dude ik some of the victims of marital R""e

[silver vault]

Bro must have realised that I was going to prove him wrong😈so he left the server

[silver vault]

Me too

[formal pilot]

Probably a teenager

[silver vault]

They're still in that marriage

[vapid hare]

the one getting mob lynched will be blessed by god 💀

[cedar oar]

It will do good for people who believe in the faith, and probably make them get less hate

Brb

[vapid hare]

they will surely set aside their prejudices simply because the Pope said so... right? 😄

[cedar oar]

Back

[formal pilot]

@silver vault dude get a life, you're ruining your mental peace

[formal pilot]

Why

[cedar oar]

If you're a Catholic, then you are supposed to listen to what he says

There is, less hate, and id youcbelieve in the faith, it's good to have it

[cedar oar]

Because I finished doing what I was doing

[vapid hare]

What if they simply don't recognize him as the "true" pope though? Like maybe they believe he's the Antichrist or something

[silver vault]

I have a job

Not a stable one but still tho i do have it

[cedar oar]

Only the Catholics accept the pope as the head of the church as far as I know

[silver vault]

Remove that cap

[vapid hare]

The orthodox ones don't while the Protestants did until the Reformation, and now they're split into a million different denominations as far as I know

[cedar oar]

For example: If a Catholic used to hate them, he will likely not after the pope says that their fine

[cedar oar]

They can't, because that would go against Catholoscism

I mean, he could tell the people to protest if Italy were to invade the Vatican City

[vapid hare]

Christianity was one united religion under the Church up until the Great Schism, then there were two - Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Then there were three after the Reformation - the Protestants. And these Protestants are split into a gazillion different sects/denominations. (thats the gist of it iirc)

[cedar oar]

You forgot the Anglicans, Baptists, Reformists, and other ones that were pretty big at the time

[vapid hare]

Those are all under the Protestantism umbrella I think

[manic juniper]

According to the law he could do anything he wishes to, he supersedes any other political power usually given to his delegates

[cedar oar]

And the heresy's that came before Protestanism

[manic juniper]

It was split before that already btw, there were Arian Christians for example

[cedar oar]

No, definitly not the Anglicans

[manic juniper]

Or Christians that existed before Roman Catholicism and never followed the Pope

[vapid hare]

Heresies as far as I know

[manic juniper]

No, it's more akin to an absolute monarchy and a theocracy, and it is both technically. But in practice it's never the case, the Pope just has no real power anymore besides diplomacy

[cedar oar]

It is, because the pope has unlimited power in the Vatican City, his words are law, he has a final say in everything there

[manic juniper]

Arians yes, but others weren't really considered heretic, there just wasn't an unified early Christianity so the Pope just wasn't a thing to some

Like, they weren't considered heretic because they didn't know of each other's existence, or they barely did

[vapid hare]

There was the Nicene Council right?

[cedar oar]

He definitly does have power in overruling anything and everything, and the other things it has going for it

[manic juniper]

I wrote "in practice" because no Pope does that since Italy conquered the Papal State

[cedar oar]

In his land, no. But it is undebtable that the title has lost many of its powers

[vapid hare]

his land is like 1 meter though

[cedar oar]

They definitly could if it was convienent though, and Italy won't invade again (definitly won't)

[manic juniper]

His diplomatic power is immense, like that of the entire church. But he has no military power, and his political power is barely enforced because most Popes have no reason or way to nowadays. If you live in Vatican City, chances are you're already following the rules of the church, and you've been handpicked by them

[manic juniper]

Not the point, I specified that earlier

[cedar oar]

No, it's much bigger than that, it's an entire city

[cedar oar]

In practice, he still could if it was needed to do so

But we'll see if he will, ever

Where did the chat go?

Lurking in the shadows is a more appropriate way of saying it

I bet biladen will show up any second now

[vapid hare]

Are the children also handpicked by them? (JK JK)

[manic juniper]

Yes and no, the common priests pick them and the Cardinals may judge if it's worth it to hide them once they are caught or if they are pretty enough

[cedar oar]

There are actually many speculations as to why there is such a high rate of molestations there. Probably a handful of reasons combined together

[manic juniper]

And then the Pope says if they "went to heaven" or if he prefers not to answer

[cedar oar]

The cardinals may judge if it's worth the money compared to reputation

Say something, anybody

Revive the chat

[formal pilot]

Feeling like dumb

[vapid hare]

It's because of the lack of accountability and transparency, making it so they can do whatever they want. Also the systemic cover up by the Vatican to protect the offending clergy and prevent scandals

[cedar oar]

I knew it, biladen every time, lurking

[formal pilot]

Young Sheldon

[cedar oar]

It's because they are protected by the church if they do it, so they can get away with it

[manic juniper]

And the stupidity of Italy not taking itself seriously and conquering it again once fascism was "defeated"

[vapid hare]

Priests really love children for some reason

[formal pilot]

Apart from it's venomous I don't know anything about this animal

[vapid hare]

Catholics across the world would riot if they conquered the Vatican

[manic juniper]

Some would, many would not, Italy could grant them a routine operation but with full transparency in their regards now

[cedar oar]

It's probably because of a couple of reasons like I said

Could be, having to repress their sexual urges, getting protected, which means that pedos will take advantage of that and join it for the sake of molestation

[manic juniper]

Realistically many Catholics cannot do anything, and yes, Italy has plenty of them but the Vatican being independent isn't really a thing they care about that much

[vapid hare]

But why is there such a high amount of pedos within the clergy?? thats the thing

[cedar oar]

The clergy, or the Catholics?

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure how much they get protected in other religions

[vapid hare]

Clergy, priesthood, whatever.

[manic juniper]

I bet that some aspire to be priests just to do all of those nasty stuff without consequences

[cedar oar]

Catholoscism, Orthodoxy, Islam, Buddhism? You have to be specific

[cedar oar]

Same theory

[vapid hare]

The Vatican ofc, that's the current topic

bruh WHATT?!

[cedar oar]

Then, the major reason is because the clercs get protected by the church for their actions, making it easier to get away

[cedar oar]

Lgbtqia+, the + is for the MAPS community (minor attracted person, or in other words, pedo) which some people support

[formal pilot]

[silver vault]

It's not commonly accepted

[vapid hare]

HOW IS IT NOT TAKEN DOWN YET??

[vapid hare]

The Vatican is a pedo's wet dream then lmao

[cedar oar]

Because it's madness

[grave temple]

cus its lgbtq

[vapid hare]

A map? 🗺️

[grave temple]

and lgbtq is legit uncancellable

[cedar oar]

Being a Catholic clerc is, probably

[cedar oar]

You will get called a bigot for being slightly against it in any way

[vapid hare]

That is so fucking weird dude, how is that even acceptable?!

[silver vault]

It's not?

[grave temple]

thats messed up

[cedar oar]

Because the community is hyper sensitive on online media, and criticizing it will get you slandered

[vapid hare]

so is it just a minority of a minority then?

[cedar oar]

Yes

[formal pilot]

Wth

[vapid hare]

you guys should look up "French petitions against age of consent laws" lol

[cedar oar]

Guys, speaking about the lgbtqia+, do you think there is a cure for the illnessess in that community? (Yes I consider it an illness)

Getting skulled for my opinions, of course. Is pedophelia not a mental illness, guys?

[vapid hare]

Zodiac signs but for pedophiles 😯

[silver vault]

Ok I knew that was coming from looking at your previous statement

[formal pilot]

Indeed it is

[silver vault]

I would strongly dispute anyone who tries to make such a link, and I feel that it is important to hold a clear distinction between the two groups

[manic juniper]

Yes, how is that linked to being homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, queer, intersexual, asexual...?

[silver vault]

The LGBTQIA+ community does NOT support or condone pedophilia in any way

At least to my knowledge

[cedar oar]

Let me be clear here, I don't support them getting the death penalty for being that way, I just think that pedophelia is a mental illness that could have a cure

[vapid hare]

you guys don't claim them then? ty ty

[silver vault]

Are we still talking about LGBTQ community?

[cedar oar]

Those could be as well, but not 100% sure on that. Should've said + then

[cedar oar]

But isn't the * for the MAPS?

[formal pilot]

I don't think it's mental illness
It's just like people are being AH

[vapid hare]

I thought you were a leftist man... 💀

[cedar oar]

The plus

[silver vault]

Lgbtqia?

[formal pilot]

He is, it's just sarcasm

[formal pilot]

Utopia

[cedar oar]

The + at the end stands for the MAPS brb

[manic juniper]

Being homosexual doesn't fit any bill to be classified as mental illness, neither do the others. Intersexual is a deformity that sometimes comes with psychiatric consequences, but most of the times it doesn't

[silver vault]

It doesn't

[formal pilot]

It's for premium subscription

[cedar oar]

Back again

[silver vault]

I don't even know when MAPS started getting associated with lgbtq

[manic juniper]

You could argue that asexuality is sexual anhedonia but anhedonia often comes with depressive disorders, and I don't think there is any study that links asexuality with depression... So not even that

[formal pilot]

Dude you're still using windows xp

[manic juniper]

4chan false flags

[cedar oar]

Are you sure though, is it normal to want to be the other gender or be attracted to something else. But I did mean the pedos, so I should've said +

[manic juniper]

Yeah, it isn't common to be red haired, is that an illness?

[cedar oar]

When people say lgbtqia+, is how, probably

[cedar oar]

No, but that is much different

[manic juniper]

How?

[formal pilot]

Lizard incoming

[cedar oar]

It doesn't have anything to do with sex and gender

[silver vault]

@cedar oar

[vapid hare]

Actual 1v5 💀

[manic juniper]

It has to do with sex, if red haired people don't have sex or if they do not pass on their genes (that often are recessive) they go extinct

[cedar oar]

I see. But it would nice if we could argue about them as well, we need an other arguement

[manic juniper]

Nah it isn't a valid example here, the Danish penguin example would be more useful. Or even ants

[cedar oar]

It doesn't have anything to do with genders

[cedar oar]

Csgo competitive:

[silver vault]

Argue about pedos all you want but just don't link those people with queer community

[cedar oar]

The arguement for is there is any scientific evidence for them being considered ill

[cedar oar]

Ok, but can I now argue about science?

[manic juniper]

Why are you not answering the question, you started claiming that it is out of the norm but when I show another example about being out of the norm then it's not bad...?

[formal pilot]

Yes please

[silver vault]

@formal pilot refute his argument bro, there's your chance

[manic juniper]

There isn't

[formal pilot]

Dude he's leftist,. he's just making fun of y'all ik him

[cedar oar]

Because I thought you mean to ask what tje arguement was

But if it shoukd be legal, then yes

[vapid hare]

My man is DEDICATED to the joke

[manic juniper]

Like I said you could link asexuality to sexual anhedonia (but there is no study or proof), and transsexuality was considered a disorder (I don't know about its status now, I think it's different), not an illness

[cedar oar]

It's a scientific term

[cedar oar]

Then the arguement is over

Isn't biology a scientific subject?

[manic juniper]

Yeah, so homosexuality&Co should be completely accepted : D

[cedar oar]

Yeah, I just wanted to know if there was any evidence for disorders or illnessess

Sex is

[formal pilot]

[manic juniper]

Evolutionary biologist here btw, it is unknown but there are some examples that suggest their role in society despite them not being reproductive members

[formal pilot]

Flex

[cedar oar]

Good point actually

[manic juniper]

If you take ants as an example, being heterosexual isn't the norm in their society. The majority of their reproductive members are seasonal (male drones) and shunned by society at large once their usefulness is over.

There are also the queens that are even fewer, and are expected to lay eggs at a constant rate or else they'll suffer consequences

Most ants are thus asexual

Yet ants have astonishing reproductive capabilities

Yep, it never does and there are no reasons to think that. You can only assume that they play a societal role as caretakers, similar to how elders that cannot become pregnant anymore can offer advice or support despite not contributing to society at large in the reproductive sense

[cedar oar]

I am a leftist, I just wanted to know if there was any scientific evidence for illness or disorder

[manic juniper]

Anyway societal roles are barely a thing, you can't classify neither people or other animals because many have varied and inconsistent roles

[vapid hare]

From what I can understand, Sex is usually assigned at birth based on physical characteristics such as male, female, or intersex, while gender is determined by an individual's personal identity and doesn't always align with their assigned sex.

[formal pilot]

The way population is stonking we should advertise homosexuality

[manic juniper]

Yes, also not all families have two members or not all children have a family (unfortunately). And families should include other members of society and relatives, so those non-reproductive people can adopt and take care of orphans or still support others

I am not sure about this, but I think that homosexuality is more linked to social species, it would confirm my hypothesis

[vapid hare]

Europe is de-stonking tho

[manic juniper]

Non social species would have few reasons to have non reproductive members unless they are a ridiculous case like that of the lesbian lizard

@formal pilot are you happy now? I ended up mentioning it

[cedar oar]

Hong Kong is de-stonking harder

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah I'm huge fan of those lizards

They're best tool against religious people

[manic juniper]

Yes, there are some reptiles whose entire species is made of females, like Aspidoscelis neomexicanus

[vapid hare]

You mean East Asia? Like Japan, SK?

[cedar oar]

There seems to be a lot of de-stonking in East Asia for some reason

[manic juniper]

Those lizards sorta have a gender but not really, I mean you could try and assign them a temporary gender

[vapid hare]

It's due to the overwhelming work culture, people can't afford to have children

[manic juniper]

But they do have "male" and "female" behaviours despite them only being females in sex

[cedar oar]

Or how developped they have become. The housing crisis also plays a role in it

Build more houses, guys

It's that simple

[manic juniper]

Put a stop to housing oligarchies

[cedar oar]

Put a stop on landlords

[vapid hare]

This too. Housing prices and living costs are just too high

[cedar oar]

Yeah, what's the point of having a kid if you aren't going to be able to feed it?

[vapid hare]

And what do we do with landlords?

[cedar oar]

Basement houses?

[formal pilot]

Commit hate crimes and genocide, real estate will collapse

[cedar oar]

We seize their wealth of course, and off to the gulags they go

[vapid hare]

And if there's no one to take care of them as well, the parents are just too busy working

[cedar oar]

Is it kind of like a homeless shelter?

[formal pilot]

Few months back in my area 2 people got brutally murdered for limited time apartment price dropped like crazy

[vapid hare]

why don't we just make mud huts again smh

[cedar oar]

Because some mf owns the property you want to build on

[manic juniper]

Sounds like a plan

[cedar oar]

I don't think any amount of metal is going to stop a nuke

[vapid hare]

What is their use to society man

[manic juniper]

I built a hut once but apparently it stood on somebody else's property and I had to destroy it

[cedar oar]

Capitalism says competition

[manic juniper]

Geez I was just 6

[formal pilot]

Israel in parallel universe

[cedar oar]

That metal could be reporpused for something else though, it's kind of a waste of metal now

[manic juniper]

More like an attempt at San Marino, I tried to build it on top a very small hill since this country is almost flat

[vapid hare]

can't wait to have another recession like 2008! 😄

[manic juniper]

I wanted my own independent republic on top of a hill

[formal pilot]

[cedar oar]

Can't wait to work a 9 to 5. Man life is so loveable

[vapid hare]

Me when late stage capitalism:

[cedar oar]

Speaking about Capitalism. Marx didn't hate it, right? He just simply hated the later stages of it

[vapid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/cornicorn-gif-3161968759910602941

[manic juniper]

He hated it as a whole

[cedar oar]

The early stages aren't that bad if I'm being honest

[manic juniper]

His description of it only stated that it is bound to degenerate even more to the point of societal collapse

And he made clear that capitalism is the better alternative to shit-tier systems such as feudalism

[cedar oar]

Collapse which would lead to Communism

[manic juniper]

First to socialism and DOP

[cedar oar]

Then Communism

[manic juniper]

Not necessarily though, it depends to the societal makeup

[vapid hare]

My man Marx believed Capitalism would inevitably lead to its own downfall, culminating with a socialist revolution then a classless society

[manic juniper]

Socialism may not develop as well

[cedar oar]

Yeah

[manic juniper]

A society with more peasants than workers supposedly couldn't or shouldn't develop into socialism

Or a peasant revolution

[vapid hare]

An agrarian society?

how tf do you spell it

[cedar oar]

Agrarian is for the ones focused on agriculture, so it could

[manic juniper]

Yes, he said that but it happened (but none would achieve communism)

[vapid hare]

The ones that Marx saw developing Socialism was the already industrialized societies (such as the UK and France) not a backwards agrarian state like Russia iirc

[cedar oar]

The money used for that metal could go to helping the more in need

[vapid hare]

sucks to suck

[cedar oar]

I don't know, find a way lol

I was being sarcastic

[manic juniper]

Yes, he would've changed his consideration had he lived for longer since there are many things that changed since the time he wrote the manifesto

[cedar oar]

Good to know

It's good to know that it was indeed good to know that you were being sarcastic

[manic juniper]

Finland fits the bill but socialists lost in the civil war

[cedar oar]

I'm delighted that you're elated to know that I knew about your sarcasm

[cedar oar]

Which bill?

[vapid hare]

What about Yugoslavia? They were doing pretty well for themselves while Tito was ruling

[cedar oar]

Keep it going dammit!

[manic juniper]

Industrial capitalist society (at least the South) that turns socialist

[manic juniper]

Maybe but I'm not 100% sure if they were that industrialised, I assume they were because of late Austro-Hungarian industrialisation

[formal pilot]

Dude Lizards are hissing in my room

[vapid hare]

They definitely were. Sad how it all just ended with the Yugoslav wars during the 90s

[formal pilot]

Asian house lizard

[manic juniper]

Based

[vapid hare]

give them a few toddlers

[cedar oar]

I'm extremely happy to know that you are overjoyed over me being delighted because I knew about your sarcasm

[formal pilot]

Dude i thought lizards are mute

[cedar oar]

Shhhh, bull dogs are watching

[manic juniper]

They're not, especially geckos

Geckos can scream or make other sounds

[vapid hare]

god gives the tastiest toddlers to the hungriest pitbulls 😋

[formal pilot]

Pit bull*

[cedar oar]

Bull dogs

[sudden ocean]

What other sounds?

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-pronuounce-hard-name-what-confused-gif-7363610

[manic juniper]

Mating noises, search tokay gecko sounds on YouTube. I think that's where the name "gecko" comes from

[cedar oar]

I'm amazed at you being flabbergasted as I was extremely happy because you were so elated because I knew about your sarcasm

This is getting confusing now

[vapid hare]

who is gob and why is he getting smacked?!

[formal pilot]

What's your 3 favourite animals guys

[sudden ocean]

What does your introduction mean? What language is it? gecko language?

[vapid hare]

b-bri*ish?? 🤢 🤮

[cedar oar]

I am so honored that your are gobsmacked at me being amazed as you were flabbergasted because, actually, I give up

[manic juniper]

It's Komi poetry about rivers and women

[cedar oar]

Brish

[sudden ocean]

I see river and women, but what is komi?

[manic juniper]

A language from the North Urals

[cedar oar]

Blood over my screen, oh no, I've exposed myself

[sudden ocean]

So complicated... As well as your sayings about capitalism and all that jazz

[manic juniper]

The language is not widely spoken, it's a minority language

Most Komi people cannot speak it either

[cedar oar]

How many people are there still speaking it, approximitly of course

No, I prefer shooting the police officer to get another wanted level

[manic juniper]

About 100k

[sudden ocean]

Really surprised that it is typable..

[manic juniper]

It is usually written in Cyrillic, it isn't common to type it in Latin like I did

[cedar oar]

That's pretty sizable considering they live in freezing hell

Jokes on you, I only finished chinatown wars

[sudden ocean]

Where did you learn English? It is second language?

[manic juniper]

Their republic is immense but there are very few people living in it

[manic juniper]

School, videogames, Wikipedia, YouTube mostly

[cedar oar]

And it's in the middle of a freezing tundra

[manic juniper]

My first language isn't that popular and there isn't a lot of content in it, so you have to adapt if you wish to enjoy more content

[cedar oar]

True for mine as well

And many other languages

[sudden ocean]

what does isfrun mean?

[manic juniper]

Ice lady

[sudden ocean]

what time is it there?

[manic juniper]

19 : D

[sudden ocean]

What does D stand for?

[manic juniper]

It's an emoticon

[vapid hare]

😦

[manic juniper]

I type them separately or Discord will turn it into a dumb yellow emoji

/:D

[vapid hare]

it just did that wth

[formal pilot]

It's emoji from mesozoic era

[cedar oar]

It stands for Dick (Gumshoe), the excellent detective from the ace attorney videogame series

[manic juniper]

It's very popular in Finland to this day

[manic juniper]

Ugly af

[vapid hare]

Dick.

[cedar oar]

Dick is not a nice person

[sudden ocean]

What do you do?

[manic juniper]

Wdym, as a job or right now?

[vapid hare]

At least Gumshoe is

[sudden ocean]

A job...

[cedar oar]

That's his last name

[vapid hare]

That's his alter ego (hes bipolar)

[cedar oar]

That's him in a parallel universe

[sudden ocean]

Just ignoring me...

[vapid hare]

The world will be destroyed if Dick and Gumshoe became one

[cedar oar]

He had secretly been made real by a scientific anomaly in the future, he used this to travel to the past and impersonate Stalin and make many bad decisions as him. That, kids, is how western propoganda works

[cedar oar]

They are already one...

[vapid hare]

Nuh uh. they're not according to me

[cedar oar]

But they're factually the same person, so your opinion does not matter

🤓

[manic juniper]

I'm the chief lab assistant at my university, I wish to become a researcher with a good reputation and many papers with her name on it

[vapid hare]

The only thing that matters in this universe is ME, mortal.

[sudden ocean]

Fighting!

[cedar oar]

Yes, lord. Tell me how I can be forgiven for my proposturous actions. I wish to repent for the sins I have committed

[sudden ocean]

What do you research? Politics?

[vapid hare]

I was joking dw

[vapid hare]

you are hereby sentenced to touch grass for the whole day

[sudden ocean]

What do you research? Politics?

[manic juniper]

Biology-related subjects, at least that's what my degrees are for and what I'm still studying

Evolutionary biology

[cedar oar]

My liege, I would love to touch grass, I however, currently, cannot, it is freezing outside and the sun is already at the oppossite side of the globe

[manic juniper]

But alas finding a job like that isn't easy, and I'm struggling

[cedar oar]

This message was supposed to be a reply to #🧠｜serious-chat message

[vapid hare]

You dare DISOBEY your liege, you mere peasant?! Touch grass, NOW!

[sudden ocean]

That is?

[manic juniper]

They're hell to achieve but I guess they are fulfilling

[cedar oar]

How about a military coup?

[vapid hare]

That shall be acceptable.

[cedar oar]

Down from the throne, thou heritic. Divine right has long left you

[manic juniper]

Researcher

[sudden ocean]

For a living?

[vapid hare]

(thats too good wth)

[cedar oar]

How is that good?

[manic juniper]

It would be more profitable and enjoyable than lab assistant

[vapid hare]

It just sounds *good * to me at least, like it's from a book of some kind

[sudden ocean]

What are you most enthusiastic about, then? What do you wanna have a research on?

[cedar oar]

I guess it does. Anyway, let's continue.

Thou shalt be sentenced to serve below the grounds of the earth, deserving neither it or heaven, may your times be insufferable, and may God have mercy on thou

[manic juniper]

How to destroy invasive species as efficiently as possible

[sudden ocean]

Like me?

[manic juniper]

Yeah, humans count as invasive species but it'd be illegal to do so with them

[vapid hare]

Your shallow decree holds no dominion over my spirit, pretender!

[manic juniper]

Unless I can unleash something on ourselves for the sake of it

[cedar oar]

Invasive species? Could you please elaborate further?

[vapid hare]

It's cause we destroy ecosystems and we hunt animals to extinction

[manic juniper]

They are a species that is not native to most ecosystems and highly damaging to them and their members, causing environmental degradation

Humans are only native to Central Africa

And they are the least damaging there

[cedar oar]

At least I was not abandoned by God like thou were. Your piety remains shallow as we speak, God will not have mercy on people who are as pius as the devil

[cedar oar]

I see

[cedar oar]

Don't forget the experiments, John

[sudden ocean]

What is the occasion makes you hate invasive species?

[vapid hare]

Abandoned by whom? God? As if! Nay, it is I who have forsaken false divine favor. Your hollow words betray the utter emptiness of your faith, mortal.

[manic juniper]

I don't hate invasive species at all, I think that their destruction is the only solution though. I know that most of them cannot be blamed for the role they are taking in the biosphere's destruction

For example I love red palm weevils, but I also would wish to see them completely wiped outside their native range

Invasive species decrease diversity in the long run and degrade the environment, they are not a pleasant presence to keep around

[cedar oar]

Abandoned by the lord himself, thou deceptionist, I shalt not fall for thou traps. If God wanted you to stay king, thou would, but you didn't. Lack of piety is all I can see here

[vapid hare]

should we make ourselves extinct then?

[manic juniper]

I would lol, but I know that I'd get rightfully arrested and imprisoned forever or executed

[formal pilot]

That's the plan

[manic juniper]

If you told me that I can get financed to engineer our disappearance I would

[sudden ocean]

I'm so lucky that I'm the one considered to be illegal to destruct.

[formal pilot]

Sounds like sifi AI

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately other animals too are protected, at least in some countries

[vapid hare]

A Deceptionist?! You dare label me thus when your very own words reek of deceit and manipulation?! I need no god to tell me who is monarch, peasant.

[manic juniper]

I'm already acting to sabotage invasive species, I have American beavers living near my home and I always break or sabotage their dams

I even used vehicles to break them

[cedar oar]

Peasant is what thy lack of faith will be once thou undeservingly arrive at my oubliette. The Lord will have mercy for infidels like you. May thy times be spent in misery and misfortune

[formal pilot]

Dude when I was kid i used to feed freshwater dolphins, i haven't seen them in last 15 years
It's really sad

[sudden ocean]

We're not the god. I think you overthink of that...
I really envy you. I have to think how to survive tomorrow first. As an "invasive programmer"...

[cedar oar]

Conversation between two medieval kings:

[sudden ocean]

I wish there would be not more isfruns there...

[cedar oar]

Ck2:

[manic juniper]

The world is visibly degrading every year more, I recall when I was little and during the warmest days your car would be full of smashed dead insects, and yes it is sad but now cars are always clean. Where are all of those insects?

[formal pilot]

I've never think about that damnnnn

[manic juniper]

I can only imagine how the world used to be before I was born, and even better 66 million years ago when there was still heaven on Earth

[sudden ocean]

Maybe security of car is getting better...

[formal pilot]

We're destroying whole food chain

[cedar oar]

Guys, can we just ban cars and find abother way of doing stuff?

[sudden ocean]

We? Actually I'm not. I prefer vegetarian...

[manic juniper]

The mammalian monopoly wasn't a great success

[vapid hare]

You dare threaten me with your pitiful dungeon when your grasp on power is so fragile?! Your words of divine mercy rings hollow for it is not the righteous who languish in the dungeons but the deceitful such as yourself who abuse power for their own gain.

[formal pilot]

There's nothing we can do ~ nepolean

[formal pilot]

In long term it's really bad

[manic juniper]

One mammal species betrayed all its other brethrens, only elevating few of them (dogs, cats, some other pets) and enslaving and mass killing countless others, mammals and non-mammals too

[cedar oar]

Grasp of power fragile it is not, the army's loyalty is secured, God has favoured my piety over yours. You will eat those words, infidel

[manic juniper]

And those that aren't a result of our twisted selective breeding are forced to live in a literal hell that doesn't belong to them anymore

When reptiles used to dominate this planet there was a lot of diversity and no monopoly of power, mammals too enjoyed their place in a bustling active society

[cedar oar]

B---but, there is no evidence of him saying that

🤓

[sudden ocean]

Have you ever thought about writing a fiction based on your idea?

[formal pilot]

Dude you good?

[manic juniper]

Which idea?

[cedar oar]

Brb

[formal pilot]

Cya

[sudden ocean]

No monopolies in the world...

[manic juniper]

It used to be like that once

[vapid hare]

Loyalty of armies bought with gold is but a fleeting illusion, for TRUE allegiance is earned through honor and righteousness, virtues that you sorely lack. You may threaten me with empty promises of retribution, but know this: the righteous shall prevail and tyrants such as you shall crumble to dust in the sands of time.

[manic juniper]

Look no further than the Mesozoic

[sudden ocean]

I'm not opposed of monopoly. Strong lead is key point of development.

[formal pilot]

More than 99% of all species that ever lived on Earth are extinct

@vapid hare I'm gonna punch your eyes out of your nose

[vapid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-phone-call-calling-cap-calling-cap-is-calling-gif-27456793

[sudden ocean]

Anyway, I need to grab some sleep. Nice talking to you. So many wired ones here in the serious-chat room...

[cedar oar]

I, I give up. A part of my head started bleeding, (It actually did.) it seems as if God did not notice my piety after all. My liege, please forgive me for the sins which I have committed. I know it must be hard to forgive a mere count, but if done so, I promise my allegience to your cause and your dynasty

[formal pilot]

Gotta go grab my dinner

[onyx hazel]

It's actually hard to not find toxic people here, tbh

[onyx hazel]

This method of debating to improve English is good, but it depends on where you are on the internet...

[formal pilot]

I'm making it easier

[formal pilot]

Is it manual scavenging?

[cedar oar]

Try to not insult your opponent during a political debate challange (Impossible)

[silver vault]

Yamuna river

[onyx hazel]

I always try to do it, but that's not how it works in most of times (unfortunately)

[vapid hare]

Oh, noble count. Your pleas cut deeper than any sword could for no soul shall suffer such torment. Your loyalty, though once misplaced, now shines brightly through the veil of adversity! Stand tall with your head held high, noble count, for you have been forgiven.

[formal pilot]

Looks like hot dilute soup (from early earth)

[cedar oar]

Oh, lord, liege, I cannot express my happines. May your days be long and prosperous, may you be remembered as the greatest king on this earth, may your house live on through the ages defeating the infidel scums of the east.

[vapid hare]

well anyways it's almost 1 AM I gtg sleep now cya man

[cedar oar]

Cya, it was fun talking to you, my liege

[formal pilot]

Lmao blud banged his head while arguing about homosexuality

[cedar oar]

May your night be serene as the plotters have assassins everywhere

[vapid hare]

you're the noblest of all my counts, truly.

[cedar oar]

Nah, it was something else. And I wasn't arguing about it, I think people simply misunderstood me, I meant to ask if there was any scientific evidence as to it being an illness

[silver vault]

Gobble up your dinner quickly, I've got some hot takes about AAP

[cedar oar]

I am honored by those words, my liege

[cedar oar]

And I apologize for being rude too

Using the word ill simply looked the easiest one to describe what I meant

[formal pilot]

Dude I'm eating fish (you can guess my state) & you enlightened me with polluted water bodies, i hate you

[cedar oar]

Anyway chat, it's time to make this channel bad again and debate over politics

America bad.

[formal pilot]

+1

[cedar oar]

Biden bad.

Trump bad.

World bad.

Humanity bad.

The universe bad.

The multiverses bad.

Is there anything beyond that?

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-angry-crowd-waiting-the-simpsons-gif-14161923

Brb

[cedar oar]

Oh ok, sorry. I meant to say, Stalin bad.

[cedar oar]

Bad to the bone

Chat chat

I got it, behold

Capitalism bad.

[granite estuary]

What is good then?

[cedar oar]

Socialism, or at least a lot of regulation on companies

And the government itself

Build more houses, please

[granite estuary]

Ow, some regulation for big companies, like high taxes for rich guy?

[cedar oar]

Not that kind of regulation. The kinds regulations to prevent them from, exploiting people, doing shitty stuff. And maybe even higher taxes, because why not, they have enough money to spare, the poor do not

[granite estuary]

Oww, i see.

[cedar oar]

And finally, we must abollish private property and money, and at last the government to achieve true Communism, comrade

Behold the revolution which I will carry out now

[granite estuary]

Oh damn

[cedar oar]

Brb, lemme overthrown my gocernment real quick

[granite estuary]

I cant imagine that happen

[cedar oar]

Back

So it seems like I gave this Georgian guy, who has quite a nice mustache,, too much power. He has taken over the revolution and now renamed the country to Eurasia

[cedar oar]

Me neither, but peasants couldn't imagine reform. But it did happen once the French revolutionary ideas were blessed upon this world

My point being that, anything could happen. Some random guy in Nepal could try to establish a Communist utopia

Biladen's arrival will be worth the wait

[formal pilot]

Dude debate is on lgbt

[cedar oar]

But we were supposed to talk about "biden bad"

I see what you meant there

[formal pilot]

Biden good
Biden great
Biden is people republic of United States

[cedar oar]

Hail Biden the great

[formal pilot]

• he loves kids

[grave temple]

Vive dementia!

vive dementia!

vive dementia!

wait did i already say that

i think i have dementia

[cedar oar]

Was it worth waiting 20 seconds for that joke?

I say yes

[formal pilot]

Gimme your bank details

If you forget it, it'll be Chaotic

[grave temple]

who are u

are u my grandson

[formal pilot]

I'm your daughter in law

[grave temple]

oh alright

[formal pilot]

[grave temple]

3040 4939 1292 6833

expiry date is 4/20

and the pin is 6942

[cedar oar]

Biladen, you gottem'

[formal pilot]

Already expired

[grave temple]

no wait i forgot my bank details

[formal pilot]

We're in 2024

[grave temple]

i dont think these are correct

[formal pilot]

Lmao i actually took screenshot

[grave temple]

nuh uh 1943, Berlin Germany

[cedar oar]

@grave temple, take these normal pills I found on the street, they will be of immense help

[grave temple]

i had dinner with eichmann

and goebbels yesterday

[cedar oar]

Did you see the painter wannabe?

[grave temple]

they were a lovely duo

[formal pilot]

You're in china and you're the dinner

[cedar oar]

Hell naw, you don't wanna be in China or Europe during 1943

Leo, go for Argentina

[formal pilot]

@silver vault sup?

[formal pilot]

I'm not good with history

[grave temple]

what

[formal pilot]

What was china in 1943 like?

[grave temple]

wha

[cedar oar]

Civil war, Japan, and pain

[formal pilot]

When insects eating started?

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[cedar oar]

No, I'm talking about the infamous Japanese atrocities. You don't even want to know what they did

[cedar oar]

Hello, praised be the lord

Did I kill the chat again?

[thorny steeple]

Nah, what is the topic?

[cedar oar]

Nothing, really. It was dementia, now history

[formal pilot]

I really want to know brav

[thorny steeple]

History, what period?

Ww2?

[formal pilot]

40s in Japan China

[cedar oar]

Just watch this, biladen

https://youtu.be/lnAC-Y9p_sY

In short: Japan committed many crimes against humanity

[thorny steeple]

What a painful period for the Chinese

[cedar oar]

Yeah, civil war, foreign invaders, no stability. It must have been terrible

[formal pilot]

I'm historically handicapped, please gimme surface level info atleast

[thorny steeple]

China was in civil war (communists against the Kuomintang), then Japan declares war on China and they carry out ethnic cleansing

It's much more complicated, but I'm not a historian, so the best thing is to follow the lessons

[cedar oar]

The most notable crime against humanity was the rape of Nanking. The Japanese raped every single woman there, reduced the city to pretty much nothingness.

Here are a few crimes they committed outside of that (emphasis on "few")

Forcing Chinese people to bury their countrymen to the neck in the ground

Testing grenades from various distances on Chinese people, to test the damage output

Testing with chemical weapons on Chinese people in laberatories.

Picking babies up with bayonets and throwing them into a boiling pot of water.

Ok, I'm done, this shit is genuinly terrifying

[cedar oar]

Don't forget the other cliques

[formal pilot]

Damnnn

[thorny steeple]

Hey hey hey... I'm another history guy... Don't leave me please...

I rarely found your type of persons...

[cedar oar]

Well join in the conversation then

[thorny steeple]

They were all allied against Japan

[formal pilot]

I'm definitely gonna read about this, thank for enlighten me

[thorny steeple]

Do you've your own personal server?

[cedar oar]

In a united front, yes. But they were still divided into cliques ruled by different "warlords"

[thorny steeple]

Np, It's a nice thing to know the history of other countries

[cedar oar]

Some countries have a lot of depressing history

[thorny steeple]

I wanna know more about WW2,n Germany and H...

[formal pilot]

Like many of African countries

[thorny steeple]

Perhaps China's weak point was its division

[cedar oar]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

Rhodesia is an example

[cedar oar]

It was definitly the corruption and greed

[cedar oar]

Armenia is pretty good fit as well

[pearl cypress]

Algeria is an example

[thorny steeple]

I'm from India and I wanna say we've a vast history but the time period from 712 to 1990s we had faced problems only...

[thorny steeple]

What do you want to know? Battles or politics in general?

[thorny steeple]

Politics and Conspiracy Theories...

[formal pilot]

I'm not familiar with it's history, it was ruled by french right?

[cedar oar]

At least India didn't suffer a mass co-ordinated genocide to try and wipe out its people

[thorny steeple]

Yeah...

[cedar oar]

It kind of suck that India isn't united though

[formal pilot]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

[thorny steeple]

We had faced 26 times of Invasion...

[thorny steeple]

The policy was very complicated, but essentially it was based on racial discrimination and the purity of the German people, eliminating any foreigner or non-German person

[cedar oar]

Was that due to Churchill doing stuff?

[thorny steeple]

🙃...

[formal pilot]

Yeah dude, he's bad guy

[thorny steeple]

Yes, It was

[cedar oar]

Because there are a lot of arguements against ir

But I don't want to argue that Churchill was a good guy

He wasn't

[pearl cypress]

Yes for more than 100 years

[cedar oar]

@thorny steeple, I know this is off-topic, but are you Christian?

[thorny steeple]

What about Technological innovation about his time?

[thorny steeple]

Algerian?

[pearl cypress]

Yessir

[thorny steeple]

British has taken 100 years to Conqueror whole Indian Subcontinent and Rules for more 90 years...

[cedar oar]

That doesn't count, every country advamced technologically. The Nazi's committed many atrocities

[thorny steeple]

Ohh...

[formal pilot]

I've seen capital of Algeria is really devloped what about other parts, before independence?

[thorny steeple]

Ahh, but The British Ruled us for 190 years... 90 more than yours...

[thorny steeple]

Mainly aeronautical engineering, Heisenberg gave great help to the Nazis

[formal pilot]

It's not a compitition

[cedar oar]

Before independence, all colonial territories were exploited as much as they could

[formal pilot]

We can talk about both countries

[thorny steeple]

Once Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Said H was Jew himself... How ture is this?

[thorny steeple]

This is not true, just propaganda

[cedar oar]

Why would he advertise himself as a Jew?

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-face-cat-meme-cat-puke-cat-vomit-cat-coughing-meme-gif-22332765

I'm jk

[cedar oar]

Perhaps to justify that Ukraine is Nazist or something else?

[thorny steeple]

And when they leave us what the gave us is nothing except Illiteracy, Poverty and Famine... 🙃

[pearl cypress]

We were under the Ottomans authority before the colonisation of the French but I did not get your question!

[thorny steeple]

Hmm...

[pearl cypress]

The British did not rule us here

[cedar oar]

What did you expect, fo get that Indian jewel on the queens crown back? No, they will exploit their colonies as much as possible before leaving

[thorny steeple]

Another thing is, were the concentration Camps actually made by USSR to Defame Germany?

[cedar oar]

The French did, which were on the same level of bad

[formal pilot]

What good things french did for Algeria?

[thorny steeple]

No, they're real, my great-grandfather worked there

[pearl cypress]

They did but eventually we kicked them out

[thorny steeple]

Yeah... We can't expect anything... Unfortunately.

[cedar oar]

Yeah, down with colonisers

[cedar oar]

This is the truth about human greed

[thorny steeple]

Damn ☠️

So the number of 6 million is not fake?