🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

genocide this, genocide that, genocide who, then there is a question, why is they are facing a problem that called genocide not others 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

because they are loser ?

[cedar oar]

And wasn't it also in late 2019 and not 2020?

[forest pilot]

Yup. December I think

[glad patio]

There's a lot of speculation regarding where and how it came to be. Personally I think it was man made but for what, I can't say

[cedar oar]

Devestate other countries maybe?

This isn't the first time humanity has tried to kill itself

[glad patio]

Maybe yeah

[glad patio]

The Spanish flu

[feral river]

idk there are a lot of people using genocide as moral shield to defend one side for their interests, and they don't want to literally admit to it because once they admitted they will never getting any benefit for this justification 🤣 but some people really don't know what is going on.

[forest pilot]

Why would one create this for any other purpose than for warfare?

[cedar oar]

Nucelear weapons

[cedar oar]

It's definitly for warfare and devestation of other countries that are not yours

That's if it was man-made though

[glad patio]

I mean China is growing very fast and they strangely were able to stop it as soon as it started so it's like they were ready for it as a country

[cedar oar]

But it couldn't be China, creating global ependemics. You, you have to stop him, you-

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-mcgill-chicanery-breakdown-gif-25422432

[forest pilot]

Does that mean the nutjobs who say it was a plandemic are correct then?

[cedar oar]

Nutjobs?

[glad patio]

That's a thing?

[forest pilot]

Crazies/Schizos

[glad patio]

I've never heard of that before

[forest pilot]

Yea, there are conspiracy theorists who say the pandemic was planned

[cedar oar]

Just call them lunatics. Nutjob is reserved for another thing

[forest pilot]

It's for other purposes..

[cedar oar]

Yeah..

[glad patio]

Ahh interesting

[cedar oar]

This chat is so serious that I simply can't handle it anymore

[forest pilot]

Enter racist mode NOW

[cedar oar]

Enter misogonistic mode NOW

Biladen is still lurking

[forest pilot]

Misogyny + Racism = ?!

[cedar oar]

Ultimate combo

I'm done frying brain cells today, I hope recovery is in sight. I'm never doing this again

[forest pilot]

Too much of your brain cells have been fried sadly you're as smart as the smartest american now

[cedar oar]

The same could be said for anyone who witnessed that atrocity

[cedar oar]

Oppenheimer, thank you

[forest pilot]

People should take notes, so much sigma energy radiated from that one convo tbh

[cedar oar]

We need a new radioactive protection suit to handle the radiation coming from that sigma energy

Ok, I'm done. Cya chat

[forest pilot]

Cya later alligator

[feral river]

we helped US for counter-terrorism but they accused us ? 🤔 well maybe US don't care terrorism in China but we care just like we don't care terrorism in US too 😂 it's none of our business.

[near plume]

We need to start a nuclear war

[vagrant swan]

uhhh

whats the topic

[grim isle]

Covid is genocide. It was agreed upon by the leaders of this world. The system is unsustainable anymore if they will not do it, the system (their system) might fall apart. Come to think of it, who as a normal person would make a virus that would kill millions of people. And why is the virus is more potent to old people? Like it is intended for them. Because old people, thru the years, they saw, heard and learn many things against the system, so they were silenced and took the truth to their graves.

[cedar oar]

That second sentence screams 1984

[cedar oar]

Damn, man. Even Gentoo users are less paranoid than that

[cedar oar]

We need to find a way to unite all of humanity

[grim isle]

There is nothing new in this world and there will nothing be. History will just be repeating itself, until humanity cease to exist. Maybe another thousand years or another million more. And new lifeforms will be born or will be created and occupy this earth. Doing the same thing all over again. Its the ending scene of Attack of Titan. 😆

or the whole attack of titan in a nutshell

[cedar oar]

That first sentence is blatantly incorrect. Technology is constantly advancing, things are constantly changing

[vapid hare]

wth is this system you're talking about

[grim isle]

yes but not talking with tech, im referring to humanity will just always do things that will lead them to destruction.

[grim isle]

The system of this world.

[feral river]

conspiracy theory, you are using result to conclude what just happened 🤣

[vapid hare]

is this system the matrix?

[cedar oar]

Yes, because there is an incentive for it. Things are still changing though

[cedar oar]

This system is 1984's 3 nations which pretend do be at war with each other, allegedly of course

[feral river]

what is the intention of the covid that killed numerous people and make everyone sick ? literally there is no any place is not affected

[grim isle]

Lets hope for the best. Mankind might also evolve on a higher state of being, which some religions are advocating.

[formal pilot]

Source: trust me bro

[grim isle]

dude

[vapid hare]

he was told by his mother so its trustworthy 👍

[grim isle]

We are here to fry braincells and think the unthinkable.

[cedar oar]

No we're not

[grim isle]

me i want

[formal pilot]

My mum told me "Don't take vaccine, there's a chip in it planted by gov"

[grim isle]

so did you?

[vapid hare]

your mom has realized the truth of this world😯

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah I took the jab, my mum is also vaccinated

[cedar oar]

Ok, but actually, vaccines might be made worse on purpose to sell more. And when it's unprofitable, they will sell an actual cure

[vapid hare]

did you become autistic?

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[formal pilot]

Vaccine isn't cure it's like prevention

[grim isle]

Might be true because pharmaceutical companies earned thrillion amount of how much dollars because of the pandemic

[cedar oar]

I know, I was just saying that they might be worse than they could be, on purpose, to sell more

[formal pilot]

Hell yeah my portfolio stonked

[grim isle]

its a micro dose of covid. So yeah were safe.

[cedar oar]

And this is another reason as to why Captialism needs to be abolished

[vapid hare]

extra money for investors 😎

[formal pilot]

Until you become wealthy

[cedar oar]

No

[vapid hare]

defeatist mindset, what if you become a gazillionaire someday

[cedar oar]

Not a defeatist mindset. I'll make my own political party with equality in mind

And not get elected, god damn it

[formal pilot]

Money speaks

[vapid hare]

what about the Kill & Destroy party? no one has done that yet

[cedar oar]

I'm pretty sure a lot of revolutionary party's have done that already. Brb

[grim isle]

Money is good but power is better.

[formal pilot]

Money is directly proportional to power

[grim isle]

But if i get to choose. im choosing power

[vapid hare]

they're intertwined with each other, no?

[formal pilot]

Which type of power we talking about??

[cedar oar]

Back

[cedar oar]

Yes

[grim isle]

Yes. but.. money doesnt always means power.

[cedar oar]

Probably political power

[grim isle]

Power to do anything

[vapid hare]

pp?

[cedar oar]

Most of the time it does

[cedar oar]

Yes, PP

[vapid hare]

I have massive political power then

[formal pilot]

Like rain and tsunami??

[cedar oar]

Don't tell me you got a smooth talker

[grim isle]

Because most rich people, how rich they are, if they dont have power and influence. That money will mean nothing.

[vapid hare]

the rizzard of oz

[formal pilot]

They're powerful because they have money

[cedar oar]

You probably didn't get the reference

[formal pilot]

You know why USA is powerful???

[grim isle]

Because have money?

[junior spear]

because they have money and influence?

[formal pilot]

Because of this

[cedar oar]

I don't think the USA is powerful because of an image

[junior spear]

btw America has a debt higher than its own GDP

[formal pilot]

Epitome of power showcase is war

And lemme tell you in war who's most powerful

[cedar oar]

The one with the better military

[junior spear]

You can't say who's the most powerful

[grim isle]

no.. because the media is telling us that USA is powerful 😆.. but all its leaders are just dummies and puppets being controlled by an international entity at the back of the curtains.

[formal pilot]

Military comes with money

[formal pilot]

LGM 30 intercontinental ballistic missile system is powerful

[vapid hare]

freemasons? illuminati? small hats? who??

[formal pilot]

[grim isle]

that my friend i dont know

[junior spear]

Area 51

[formal pilot]

That's what I'm saying

[grim isle]

If i have power. i can force everyone to give me all their money.

[cedar oar]

Yes, but a good military is still the military that we're talking about. One country good have invested more into science and created a very strong weapon

[vapid hare]

we're controlled by aliens

[pallid surge]

America is still the strongest in most metrics; but eventually they'll have to pull back from the pacific etc

[formal pilot]

To invest you need money

[cedar oar]

Money, if allocated correctly to things

[chrome rampart]

What is it

[pallid surge]

it's on the decline

[formal pilot]

GDP visualisation

[junior spear]

I guess by Nominal?

[cedar oar]

Yes, but you also need good education, just because the Qing were rich doesn't mean that they could actually beat the western powers

[chrome rampart]

I don't understand this image. What is it about? Money? Military?

[formal pilot]

Discussion is
What is more valuable
Money or power

[cedar oar]

My point being, it has to be intelligently allocated to places of need

[vapid hare]

I think you mean technology

[cedar oar]

Then we stirred a bit

[junior spear]

Nominal GDP of countries

[grim isle]

It can sometimes be fear.

[pallid surge]

you think they don't?

[thorny steeple]

Well depends on what do you think as power but power is way more important

[cedar oar]

Yes, which education could give

[thorny steeple]

You can defeat a rich country if you have the power

[cedar oar]

The Qing certainly didn't have a good one

[vapid hare]

you should've teached them how to make guns then smh

[pallid surge]

oh the qing

[chrome rampart]

Ohhh thanks I understand

[chrome rampart]

Thanks

[formal pilot]

Damnn dude went poetic mode

[cedar oar]

For a country to advance in anything, it needs knowledge, which can be earned through education. The Qing had the money, but didn't correctly use it

[grim isle]

try the vice versa, it also makes sense

[formal pilot]

What y'all think is best representation of power??

[cedar oar]

Money

And position maybe

[vapid hare]

they were too arrogant, they thought they didn't need to change how they do things at all

[pallid surge]

The Qing wasn't that centralized no?

[thorny steeple]

Bro if you had money and no technology or whatsoever any random country with enough power could take over you

[grim isle]

How you get power without a tiny money?

[formal pilot]

What's Qing?

[grim isle]

ahaha😆

[vapid hare]

the sound money makes

[grim isle]

The egg or the chicken

[cedar oar]

They were too corrupt as well, if the money was spent on anti-corruption, and then the military, they could possibly have beaten the western powers

[thorny steeple]

It's more like power also contains money in it, it's a very general term

[pallid surge]

It was a dynasty that ruled most of mainland china

[formal pilot]

Gotcha

[cedar oar]

A Chinese dynasty, not really Chinese though, it was Manchu

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure

[pallid surge]

pretty sure it wasn't

[vapid hare]

late qing definitely wasn't

[formal pilot]

Which country do you think is most powerful right now??

[cedar oar]

Wasn't the Qing made by the Manchu's?

[cedar oar]

The USA no doubt

[thorny steeple]

Hmm great question

[pallid surge]

America still commands aboslute influnce and power; It is on the decline however

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-16565229595323670098

[thorny steeple]

I can't say only one though

[formal pilot]

Tell me 5 then

[vapid hare]

would a multipolar world be better than the current unipolar world as is?

[grim isle]

Even great civilizations did not need money to advance during the day. They had power. They built power first then invented money.

[formal pilot]

Russia is broke rn, they're carrying legacy of USSR

[cedar oar]

The most powerful, he asked. I don't think those countries can compare, other than maybe Russia because they have around the same amount of nukes

[thorny steeple]

USA, China, Germany(don't really know about their military) hmm

[formal pilot]

It's not sward fight now

[pallid surge]

I'm someone that actually beleives China and Russia should be dismanlted, so you can imagine my stance

[thorny steeple]

I can't really think about much

[grim isle]

Never heard India, participating in these wars, i see India as a peaceful country even they topped the rankings of the worlds population, unlike China, theyre all over the news.

[formal pilot]

That's what I'm saying money can buy power

[thorny steeple]

Yeah that's not wrong

But power is a very general term

[cedar oar]

Who thinks that?

[formal pilot]

Brb

[vapid hare]

because they don't want war with Russia? if they did more than just send military aid, they would be inviting war

[cedar oar]

But he asked for the most powerful, which implies that he wanted one

[pallid surge]

what do you mean by power

[grim isle]

Because some countries are afraid of Putin, that he might bombard them too?

[pallid surge]

He would send the nukes; that is a line you can't cross

[vapid hare]

of course, the US doesn't want nuclear war with Russia

[pallid surge]

It's just mutual destruction, no one wants that

[cedar oar]

Sending nukes would very likely start WW3

[grim isle]

No one wins at wars. Everyone loses.

[pallid surge]

If europe sends troops to Ukraine, you alrd started WW3

nukes are just a follow up

can't handle what?

[cedar oar]

I guess that could be true

[vapid hare]

yup, US is powerful but Russia has influence and is still powerful enough to oppose American hegemony

[grim isle]

Now thats Putin power. power of fear and intimidation.

[pallid surge]

U.S should be able to handle a war with Russia but it should never get into a war with russia there is no reason to

[grim isle]

yes. it wouldnt benefit the US

[vapid hare]

same as China, it's just a lose-lose situation for all

[pallid surge]

American hegemony exists; entirety of Europe except for the east is their puppets

which was the biggest foregin policy blunder imo

[vapid hare]

Europe (EU) is trying to distance themselves from the US iirc. militarily at least

[formal pilot]

P= W/∆t

[cedar oar]

Probably most, and the planet would be pretty much uninhabitable

[pallid surge]

America should've let Russia in when they had the chance and had a common goal to Contain China

[pallid surge]

they aren't doing a whole lot

[cedar oar]

Puppets is a very strong word

[pallid surge]

Europe also can't deal with any crisis in europe

[formal pilot]

Then propaganda will decrease by 40% ngl

[pallid surge]

the Americans always had to intervene

[cedar oar]

And the nucelear winters, what about those?

[vapid hare]

biggest blunder was when Russia applied into Nato and their application was denied lmao

[pallid surge]

yes

[grim isle]

And always on the good side, calling themselves heroes

[formal pilot]

Why Africa and South Asia is safe lmao

[cedar oar]

They definitly could deal with crisis'

[pallid surge]

Nukes are kinda a joke if you think about it cause the first waves are all going to be hitting silos to disable each other

[formal pilot]

I always get confused
Australia is in north hemisphere right?

[vapid hare]

they handled the immigration crisis pretty well I think, same as the Euro crisis.

[pallid surge]

when did they? Remember Yugoslavia? Greece?

[grim isle]

Because they are not considered threats.

[cedar oar]

What you're implying is that they couldn't have if it were not for the Americans, they definitly could have solved a crisis themselves

[pallid surge]

Europe has too much red tape bureaucracy, history, and contempt for each other that it's hard for them to deal with any crisis quickly

[formal pilot]

Thanks for explanation it's really good one ngl

[grim isle]

Where in Europe ur implying?

[pallid surge]

But how long? and how worse would it have gotten?

[cedar oar]

They can still solve it

[formal pilot]

What's red tape bureaucracy??

[pallid surge]

America wanted Europe to solve it; and they only intervened when nothing was be done, other than lousy debates

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure, but they could have, which is what we're arguing about

[pallid surge]

you can't say "they could have" when they didn't

[cedar oar]

Lousy debates, what time are you talking about?

[vapid hare]

most of europe? i guess Greece was hit pretty hard by the whole Euro crisis

[cedar oar]

They could have, they had the power do solve one without the USA's help

[pallid surge]

why didn't they

[vapid hare]

the topic is slavery.

[formal pilot]

War, influence, power

[cedar oar]

Again, tell me what era

[grim isle]

here we go again? no😆

[pallid surge]

My argument is not that Europe does not have resources to deal with a crisis; It's rather the political climate and leadership

[pallid surge]

Recent examples Yugoslavia, Greece etc

[thorny steeple]

hm?

[pallid surge]

i'll brb

[cedar oar]

You called the European nations puppets, which is just wrong

[cedar oar]

Past examples: Literally every crisis in the Victorian era

[pallid surge]

It's true, Europe is exercising more sovereignty and power recently, but overall they really are American puppets

[cedar oar]

They overall are not, the USA won't be able to do anything if Britain decides to leave NATO, or disobey their American overlords

[vapid hare]

they have been trying to become more independent after Trump and his presidency, what with the whole America First rhetoric and whatnot

[pallid surge]

Who was the prominent power that intervened and solved crisis effeictvly? there are only two right answers, and moreover what form of leadership was it? and is it still as good?

[pallid surge]

as they should

[cedar oar]

Britain was the one during that era

[pallid surge]

Europe ever since hitler has PTSD to be patriotic and proud of their heritage, culture and nation, glad that's changing somewhat

[grim isle]

So summarizing.. America was always the one behind the curtains

[cedar oar]

It will, but if Britain is insistant on staying out of NATO, it won't be able to

[vapid hare]

germans when they say they love their heritage

[cedar oar]

Germans from Austria

[pallid surge]

No one is leaving NATO, they can't that's the point

[grim isle]

Hitler was a great man, he stood by his own ideals till death.

[cedar oar]

Trade with others

[cedar oar]

They definitly can, and that was a hypothethical scenario

[vapid hare]

we should be more like Hitler tbh, very upstanding morally righteous guy

[pallid surge]

they can't afford to

[cedar oar]

Not if you're not ultra reliant on them, you can definitly trade with others

[grim isle]

And history books defining him as the most evil person in the world.

[pallid surge]

We need a modern Napoleon

[cedar oar]

Plenty with nukes can

[grim isle]

Jesus

[pallid surge]

He was evil...

[vapid hare]

we need one big ole French Empire again

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure, but they could leave it and trade with others

We went from power to European puppets

It is, but they can solve most things

The enemies of the US will

[grim isle]

Yes. but if he succeded, and his ideals were passed on. im thinking, this world is a better place than its current state.

[pallid surge]

The truth is for U.K to leave NATO there would have to be some extreme circumstances; in that case what's stopping America from sanctioning and isolating U.K on some madeup bs?

[vapid hare]

Do you really support Hitler and what he stood for? really?

[cedar oar]

Yes, but other countries, like Brazil would still continue their trade

[pallid surge]

Nazi Germany would not have survived; there would have been revolutions after revolutions, and hitler's health was getting worse every year

[pallid surge]

bruv no

[vapid hare]

you think the US would sanction Brazil like Cuba?

[cedar oar]

I already said that it was a hypothethical scenario, and the U.K can threathen the US with nukes if it gets the "If not me, then nobody" attitude

Trade recourses, would

[grim isle]

I dont support him and cannot condone the fact he murdered many people. Maybe his way of thinking and ideals i admire.

[vapid hare]

I see.

We need to become more like Hitler guys 👍 he was a non-alcoholic, didn't smoke, loved animals, was a vegetarian. Overall good guy tbh (💀)

more than 100 people 💀

[forest pilot]

He's my role model 😀

[grim isle]

Like.. Whats the difference of eating pig, chicken, cows meat from eating cat or dogs meat

[vapid hare]

pork is haram

[feral river]

don't you know that if we eat some animals like dogs and cat they have their different processing for eating rather than eat pets, I think there is no one will eat pets.

eat wild animal is irresponsible for your healthy, and it may spread virus to society.

but idk why is there some places banned eating them maybe because some religion doesn't allowed them to eat those stuff cuz they think they are holy ?

[cedar oar]

You're a saint

Thanks for helping those cats

[cedar oar]

What a nice person, no wonder why he got so popular

[feral river]

how vegetarian is a good guy ? I disagree

but non-alcoholic, didn't smoke, loved animals, is better for his health.

some people just drunk too much alcohol like me during the lunar new year 💀 everyday drinking different alcohol.

[formal pilot]

Well if you're broke it's good

[thorny steeple]

topic

[grim isle]

u give

ahhhh.. read so many conspiracies with this one. The system putting chemicals to block our pituitary gland, skeptics believing its the key to higher state of mind hence evolution.

[feral river]

It may good for you but it’s not good for me 🤣

It has a target that you can evaluate it’s good or bad

And it has a evaluator

[formal pilot]

Hell na it's not good for me either

[feral river]

Yes so in conclusion don’t easily say it’s good or not if we don’t have a consensus in some specific topic and don’t be triggered about that if it’s just a misunderstanding

[formal pilot]

Ngl 75% of serious chat works on getting triggered by misunderstanding

[feral river]

I just express my point of view which is I don’t think vegetarian is good, you can be a vegetarian that’s your freedom and I have no right to make you change yourself

[feral river]

True

Now I gradually understood why is some people always hate philosophizer because they are literally questioning anything especially something they strongly believe in and most people can’t give an specific answer, and most of them using this logic which is “it’s the most people do so it’s right” very ridiculous

Only less people are intelligent, this is true.

[cedar oar]

I don't think so, I think using medicine too much however, will weaken your immunity system

[quiet kiln]

hello everyone

[formal scaffold]

Hard time makes strong men, strong men bring comfy time, comfy time makes weak men, weak men bring hard times

[grim isle]

Yogis believed that being sick or feeling something not right with your body is a sign of imbalance. You just have to balance everything on the body for the sickness to be cured. Thats why monks, yogis, and spiritual healers thru meditation balance or align their mental and spiritual energies then the physical will follow. Fasting is also a form of meditation, many believed that the body can cure itself without external intervention like medicines. Just have to let it cure itself thru fasting specifically autophagy(its what they call it) and by eating healthy foods.

Medicnes are cure yes. but mostly have so called side effects. Balancing and curing the sick part then destroying /unblancing another part .Thats why its a never ending business for the pharmaceutical companies.

[feral river]

“生于忧患，死于安乐” live in worrying and death in easing.

[grim isle]

Sadness and suffering is a mans fate.

[formal scaffold]

We are built to face life's hardship, we can do it

[grim isle]

womens fault 😆

[hot bison]

Is it really? Or is it something we impose upon our self only to feel less embarrassed about the fact that we are struggling as a normal person.

[azure whale]

Why people who live in dictatorship country dont try to delete the dictator? And why the dictator have supporter!

[formal scaffold]

what about kings? and emperors?

Kaddaffi was killed by his own people

kings were assasinated also

the will of king is always higher than that of his people

every human has a degree of submissive nature, it's a matter where to direct it

[pure pilot]

I NEED IELTS SPEAKING PARTNER!

LEVEL: ADVANCED

[formal pilot]

[azure whale]

King and queen are dictator if they dont attention the people need

Why the military support dictators?

[formal pilot]

Damnn it's really nice question

[azure whale]

The dictator come fall when the military dont support him like Romania Tunisia germany... but why the last people who come to side of common people are military ......

[thorny steeple]

[silk vapor]

oh this is the best instance of a "serious" channel

[thorny steeple]

Because most dictators are army generals

[feral river]

Because military getting benefits from dictatorship

Dictatorship provides a lot of privileges to military to make sure they work for them

And they use military for getting more benefit.

It’s just like hey boss, how can I earn a lot of money ? Join the military, how can I be a person that is more superior? Join the military, how can I be a nice person ? Join the military.

Even in here we don’t promote militarism but we all know that military has never treated badly

That’s the core of the dictatorship and authoritarianism

[grave temple]

@cedar oar I would like to bring forth my sincerest apologies for the remarks and accusations I made yesterday. After digging further, I realized that I attributed a statement about TikTok being malware to you, which was actually made by someone else. It was an error on my part, and I deeply regret the confusion and anger it might have caused you. Yesterday, I had a frustrating and rough day and I had only a couple hours of sleep. However, I understand that it is not an excuse for my actions. In the future, I will, to the best of my abilities, prevent these kinds of situations from recurring. I sincerely hope that this incident won’t prevent us from having more insightful and in-depth conversations.

This is the message I was referring to.

[feral river]

Don’t USA doing it for sure ? 🤣 Chinese government used their law to access users content but for TikTok they gives out an explain which is its out of their jurisdiction, because TikTok is not TikTok mainland China

Now it’s China exploiting US’s user unlike US did it to China and Russia before

What a great W, huge progress

[grave temple]

Yeah that was what i was arguing before

Like how Facebook, Meta, Twitter does it

but its "wrong" and "malware" when its China who collects user info for their algorithm

[feral river]

Yes it’s bad for the USA so they want to prevent this

It’s truly bad for them

It can’t be tolerated anytime anywhere, it’s a security problem

[grave temple]

but the american government spies on its citizens

NSA

https://www.aclu.org/news/national-security/five-things-to-know-about-nsa-mass-surveillance-and-the-coming-fight-in-congress

If this isn't authoritarianism and a tyrannical regime, idk what is

lmao

[feral river]

Well I don’t know what do you think if your government was doing on its citizens but in here before in some provinces they tried for giving out their cameras to people and people would like to install them for avoid crimes

I respect privacy, really but you gonna pay to this, dare you can doing something like crime in a society which is full of cameras ?

I can tell you the truth that my wallet was lost when I was riding bicycle and police officers literally called me for claim my wallet because they see it on the street by camera

I even kept one picture about that office

I really appreciate them but I can understand someone needs more privacy they don’t want to be watched anywhere but anyways

Different place has different law and order

[grave temple]

Well it has its benefits

and its flaws

but i would prefer getting my stuff back and seeing the criminal arrested than the police just "shrugging" and saying we lost him

[feral river]

I would say our police is willing to serve the people because they got paid a lot really a lot, and there is almost no big cases for a long time their daily job is studying from the CCP agency and handling users calls sometimes it has a criminal they came out and got a big deal

Don’t think CCP’s agency equals evil and bad 🤣 they literally promote a lot of stuff which they think it’s good

That’s why they have the time to find my wallet they monitoring the streets

But I’m not defending them, especially when they clears their opponent and suppress people’s ideas

It’s just like if you are under the order you study the order you follow the order the benefits for you is huge, you can gave out a lot of advice express your opinion within the CCP, not opposing their agenda

You can say they need change, they need turn around, but you can’t say take down the CCP and Xi jinping they are evil

That’s a major difference to the western world

That’s why China will remain authoritarian

[narrow hawk]

brooo am tellin u no one can read all of thisss

[feral river]

Then why you are here ? It’s serious chat

[narrow hawk]

i havnt noticed ots seriius chat

srry bro keep goin

so guys what u think of israel

[feral river]

It’s not my business really, but they have my respect cuz they are powerful

They won the every war they involved

They have their different system for rule the people and establish order

And they work for their people

[narrow hawk]

so if iam powerful and kiiling ppl and more than20k child in less than100 days ,that makes u respect them lollll

its not even thier country the occupied it

anddd they r only strong cuz usa and europe suuporting them not bcuz they r great

[feral river]

they have never kill their own people, and they literally have their naturalization program for locals.

I mean they work for their own people, not those basters who literally threat their lives

[narrow hawk]

work for thier ppl by killing child and civilans

wtfff u r saying ,broo

its not even thier landd they occupied itt

[feral river]

what did I say is they work for their people, that's all enough

they never work for the people who oppose them

they never work for the people who threats them

for Palestinians they are same, their government work for them but you guess who is more powerful ?

I don't care if they killed people for themselves, because there is no any government do not kill people especially the people who starting roits, combat against their occupation

and the land has never belongs to you forever, it can be belongs to anyone who has more qualifications to take the land.

that's how global politic works. no exceptions

based on this, I empathy the current situation for gazan, but they choose this government, they choose the war, but it seems they don't want to pay for the war.

that's a little unexpected, but just like I said if you think you can awake a tiger without get eaten by them, maybe you are wrong.

[feral river]

if you are killing enemies, I 100% respect you because you are hero and you protect your people's lives, your family lives, and your life.

but if you kill people, just for kill people, I would say that's really terrible and no one will like it, remember, kill people is the measure, but the goal is behinding that not letting you know what they gonna do, it's a security problem, huge deal with it

[narrow hawk]

bro saying u r hero if u kiiled ur enemy (they only killed children and civillains

minecraft udk any fuckin thing

[feral river]

if you think they are innocent, I don't think the people who provides more fighters, more taxes is innocent.

if they are truly innocent, leave there, or surrender to the order.

I prefer to consider them as enemies

[narrow hawk]

so u ask them to leave thier land?

[feral river]

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[narrow hawk]

leave ur land or u will be killed

mmmm make senseee

[feral river]

this question I already answered

that's just my point of view, if you think you are right, I respect your opinion too

[narrow hawk]

how its doesnt belongs to me

how broooo

[feral river]

the land has never changed, it's just a land, but who can have the land, that would be a crazy fight to see.

and that's human being

"The crime lies in the present time, but the merit lies in the future" "罪在当代, 功在千秋"

here is just freaking 7:46 AM and I just awake see nothing to do.

[gaunt bronze]

What is happening here 😭

[feral river]

a war just happened

[gaunt bronze]

Lolll

i wouldnt be surprised

the debates in here are rarely ever civil

[feral river]

that's why I stick in here not in other channels they are very intelligent using their different point of view to express their ideas and let me destory it.

CUZ IM MORE INTELLIGENT

[gaunt bronze]

good for you ig!

[gaunt bronze]

Idk if thats a good ambition when debating 🤷‍♀️

[feral river]

if it was, but only for opinions not personally attack, someone has taken this way too far

[gaunt bronze]

Yea debates always go too far here

and rarely anyone follows basic principles when debating

[steel wave]

Classic argument that "Hamas started the war". Palestine can't even defend themselves of Israel, wtf is that guy saying.

Also the own Israel people are protesting against Netanyahu government, to stop the genocide

[grave temple]

lmao so true

[feral river]

is that the point ? 🤣

[grave temple]

Provoking a stronger country and army into attacking you, then crying about losing. Quite funny how they think Israel wouldn't retribute against Hamas.

[grave temple]

Who? The Arabs living in Israel? Or the woke lgbtq people?

[feral river]

who the hell cares you started war or not, only they care is you lose or win

and it's so obvious that Israel is invincible during this war

it's just like double kill, trible kill, god like, legendary if you ever played LOL

you can easily start a war, but it's hard to end the war you started

didn't hear the Japanese crying for the nuke that US dropped in their home ?

that's an atomic one

US and its allies think, Oh japanese did too much bad things and creating holocaust in asia, so we gonna justice them

hell no because Japanese attacked US, threated US, and they have to be responsible by their actions.

you can literally decide a thing which is right or wrong if you are powerful.

no one cares a loser decides the thing that is right or wrong.

no strength, no right to speak, no benefit during negotiate, you don't even have a chance to join the negotiate, this is the world true look like.

[feral river]

they won't take responsibility so they just blame Israel about they attack civillians to get rid of responsibility and let the innocent people take this for them 😂

[grave temple]

of course there will be collateral damage in a war.

[feral river]

exactly 🤣 true intelligent man

what a perfect excuse

[thorny steeple]

Collateral damage:

Now, satellite data analysis obtained by the BBC shows the true extent of the destruction. The analysis suggests between 144,000 and 175,000 buildings across the whole Gaza Strip have been damaged or destroyed. That's between 50% and 61% of Gaza's buildings. [ source ]

Are they really collateral damage

In its latest aerial bombardment of Gaza, however, Israel has relied heavily on these lower-accuracy unguided munitions, which weapons experts say has undercut claims by the IDF that it is trying to minimise civilian casualties. [ source ]

[grave temple]

idk bro

[thorny steeple]

Israel has access to the most advanced weapons on the planet, including the precision-guided ones, given that the U.S is its primary munition supplier.
The U.S possesses the largest arms manufacturers in the world, they export weapons to their allies all the time, and of course to countries that would pay for them.

[grave temple]

if hamas stopped hiding in highly densed cities

maybe there would be less civilian casualties

Unlike the ukraine-russo war, where 2 armies fight head on, Hamas cowardly hides in cities filled with civilians and build tunnels.

and people wonder why are cities shelled.

[thorny steeple]

How is Israel trying to minimize civilian casualties if they instruct them to go northern Gaza just to bomb them halfway there? [ source ]

[onyx hazel]

Actually their protests are just about elections, not to stop the genocide unfortunately

[feral river]

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1764384250621522065

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) on X

277 humanitarian aid trucks, the largest number since the start of the war, went into Gaza today.

The IDF continues to facilitate the flow of aid into Gaza while expanding the aid inspection and transfer capacity.

Twitter · Mar 3, 2024, 8:16 PM

https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1764212191601771006

Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) on X

“The IDF has concluded an initial review of the unfortunate incident where Gazan civilians were trampled to death and injured as they charged to the aid convoy. Our initial review has confirmed that no strike was carried out by the IDF towards the aid convoy.”

Watch the full…

Twitter · Mar 3, 2024, 8:52 AM

I just think if you think that source I don't have, you may completely wrong

I just give it back

if you think that media could proof a truth, not gonna judge but continue to believe that

[onyx hazel]

Well, a war is when two nations can at least defend themselves, which isn't Palestine case. About Hamas: A group that was created by Israel and now they're facing their own problem they made, and also, Israel's attacks aren't focusing on Hamas, saying that Hamas is hiding in groups of people is just a nonsense argument, Hamas was in every Israel attacks that Palestinians were killed? That doesn't make any sense, people might think that Hamas is omnipresent, they're everywhere.

And if you think that "Oh, they started the war, so they deserve it, they deserve to be bombed" is just stupid, the people have nothing to do with it.

This war started when Zionism was created, because Zionism defend colonialism of Palestinian people.

[thorny steeple]

Have a look at the first comment just beneath the IDF's post.

[feral river]

I see but I don't care about both sides trying to blame each other I didn't say IDF is not doing genocide I never said that

I just saying there is a reason that they are facing a problem which is genocide we are not facing

[plucky violet]

both side got lot chances to prevent this situation long ago but it's their own people from both side who declined it because their stupid leader showed them stupid future

[feral river]

and that problem come from their enemies, Israel, and their government, Hamas.

that's what I got and it's all enough

no need to blame each other bro, such a futile and ridiculous

[thorny steeple]

@feral river
Could you elaborate? I didn't get the point.

[onyx hazel]

Who? What leader?

[feral river]

the point is I don't care about both sides blames each other by saying they are attacking civilians

that's just one of the major excuses for justify extreme actions

[thorny steeple]

Then why did you reply? I was replying to @grave temple .

[feral river]

because I see it whole article you mentioned here, and you did it numerous time

[thorny steeple]

Why does it annoy you? I'm confused.

[feral river]

How is that not annoy someone if I was promoting communism all the time ? for example long live for CCP ?

that's too strange and it's way too far

[plucky violet]

remember what happened
during when Ottoman Empire fall who takes the support from British and French to fight against Ottoman
when British take over
Ottoman signed the treaty regarding land and boarders
and in during Oslo peace' treaty
Egyptian and Israeli leader both got killed and Palestinians leader lost his power and kicked by his own people
then both side choose
extreme right leaders
from Palestinians side suicide bombings started and Israeli killing and expanding their territory

[open plover]

What is happening is called 'Ethnic cleansing', which is usual under these circumstances

[plucky violet]

why we are talking about such s small and shity matter like this

[thorny steeple]

Well, if I said I don't care whether communism is holy and someone posts related articles or messages, I'd probably ignore it 'cause I don't care.
You said "the point is I don't care about both sides blames each other by saying they are attacking civilians", but it seems to me that you do care since you responded.

[open plover]

Because it matters more than it is believed

[plucky violet]

I'm more interested in Congo and sudan civil war
which actually the most important and ignoi

ignored

[feral river]

all I care the point is whole article of blames you send here not the blame article itself, don't you understand ?

[onyx hazel]

It actually really matters

[feral river]

I think it's really weird if I sent CCP stuff all the time in this place

and I don't like it at all

[plucky violet]

it doesn't
it's just like Ukraine over hyped and it got support
but do u know more than 25k people died in Congo this same time as Israel and Palestine situation
but not single international news

[thorny steeple]

The article was talking about an incident that was documented multiple times by different sources. Yes, I'm having a difficulty understanding the point honestly, I'd appreciate if you made your point somewhat clearer or articulated.

If your point is that I'm trying to blame Israel, then no, I was challenging the idea that Israel does really care about civilians' death, given the evidence that suggest otherwise.

[feral river]

okay I get it, I agree with you

they literally don't care civilians deaths

that's also my point

but another thing I have to say is, it's a war, the goal of the war is to win, not to protect.

[plucky violet]

-20 credit score
by-ccp

[thorny steeple]

I disagree. Physically speaking, a war is already a loss for all parties involved, the thing we usually refer to as win or lose is a mere victory or defeat, otherwise, everybody loses in wars, even the global economy gets affected.

[steel wave]

You "don't care" but you made a whole (nonsense) text to explain it. You text seems that you just want one of the two countries to win this "war", and that's weird, because people always say that they want to put an end on it. If you defend winning, so you defend killing more people. This conflict (carried out by Israel) isn't recent, It didn't start last year. Serious man, what Hamas did is not even compare to what Israel have been done.

[feral river]

it's a huge gambling game and it has big winner in a war especially those superpowers who sold and test weapons all the time.

using other people's lifes to fight for their agenda

[steel wave]

It seems like you got very bothered with my comment

[plucky violet]

nothing can ends if there's side
it'll end but one have to wipe out

[feral river]

oh man I don't know but if you think the government doesn't represent the people, maybe you are right.

but I think government do represent the people and establish order and rule a group of people maximum their benefit.

that's why anarchist nation doesn't really exist.

and that's why I said the war they started against each other and their goal is to win because they can have more actual power from it.

they can have populations, buffer zones, resources, money, power and rule, almost everything

it's just like a cake and everyone is fighting for it, I don't know why you think it's not important.

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System?wprov=sfti1#Background

If you curious

And there is no such thing that you mentioned 🤣

[onyx hazel]

Why do people hate China so much?

[open plover]

For everything we all know by now

[quartz lily]

Hmm i think some people hate China because the Covid 19🫥

[thorny steeple]

I think there is no single reason that causes people to hate China, it might be a multitude of reasons.
In my case, however, I neither like nor do I hate it, yet I'm a bit skeptical as to whether it's a good country, especially when I watched this video:
https://youtu.be/wjj_mkc6b6s?si=UnSIaTw_3pinOjfM

Now I must clarify that, despite the fact that the video seems pretty convincing, the guy in the video is mostly narrating a story that can neither be confirmed nor denied.
However, I've done my research and I think I'm convinced that the Chinese government is corrupted, and the country is not so safe.

[worn bolt]

👀

[crude copper]

Okay that sound so crazy

[thorny steeple]

What sounds crazy?

[grave temple]

Are you kidding me.

After the second woman "collapses" you can clearly see her screaming at the man.

You didn't even watch the video

what is this fake anti china video

they are simply arguing and fighting

and acting in front of cameras that they are hurt.

mysteriously collapsing my buttocks

u see a old man tripping in front of traffic

and its "all over china"

[grave temple]

u didnt watch the video but the video sure doesnt seem damn convincing.

ik

unbelievable and 2mins in, its a sponsorship that lasts longer than the intro

5 mins of bro selling a product

these videos are clearly a quick cashgrab clickbate trying to attract clicks

if u want to we can continue or find a topic similar to that one

but come on, this is an obvious answer.

without miiltary support, a dictator cannot enforce his laws, ideology, etc not even order.

its like crossing a bridge without support beams

simply impossible.

well usually dictators are either elected, came to power with the help of the miltary or was in the miltary itself

yeah thats what i mean

or its a democratically elected leader but stays in power with the help of the miltary by purging the opposition

yeah.

there are certainly more reasons but i gtg

it was a nice chat

you 2

[thorny steeple]

The video highlights a crucial issue in China: the public's reluctance to assist others due to fear of police accusations. According to the video, helping someone in need may result in being held entirely responsible, imagine how perilous the situation would be if a person whom you've rushed to help has actually dropped dead. It appears you were quick to assume I hadn't watched the video; however, the video suggests the individuals feigning falls are engaged in a dispute, assuming that, as far as I understood, no one would dare to touch them or intervene, or perhaps in an attempt to hold the other side responsible for it.
If you're busy to watch an 8 minutes video, you can start from the 3:44 second to have an understanding of the context.

[feral river]

For most visitors, the PRC remains a very safe country. Traffic accidents are the most common safety concern for U.S. citizens. Training, capability, and responsiveness of PRC authorities vary by region and even by city. The U.S. Embassy and Consulates General have no law enforcement authority and may not represent U.S. citizens in either criminal or civil legal matters.

To ensure your safety and security in the PRC, you should:

Take routine safety precautions.
Pay attention to surroundings.
Report any concerns to the local police.
Call “110,” the local equivalent to “911”. English services are often available, but you should not expect English services in remote parts of the PRC.

Violent crime is not common in the PRC, however:

While sanctioned demonstrations must be approved by PRC authorities, they can turn violent.
Domestic unrest and terrorism can occur.
Business disputes between U.S. citizens and PRC-national business partners can sometimes result in physical confrontation, detainment, or coercion. Go straight to the police if you feel threatened or relocate to a public place.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/China.html

how about the source from the US government 😂

[azure whale]

What is the topic

[thorny steeple]

About the video's title, including phrases like "all over China," might be somewhat exaggerated in relation to its actual content. However, this tendency to use attention-grabbing language is common in YouTube content creation, where vibrant terms are often employed to capture viewers' attention.
It's important to note that I'm not defending the video or asserting that the statements made there are truthful, I already pointed out that I believe it should be taken with a grain of salt as the person is narrating mere stories without proper evidence, perhaps you missed that part of my message.

[thorny steeple]

I think it switched from "Why do people hate China so much" to "How the video Flare posted is a propaganda". 😆

[grave temple]

Well, idk but u seem to like to provoke a reaction out of people and make everything about you.

[azure whale]

The most reason for this thing is corona and government of china and no any reason is important this two!

[grave temple]

Everytime you are in this channel, you try to "ragebait" people into arguing with you.

The previous discussion had nothing to do with people in china not helping others.

But you decided, that the video was relevant, when it clearly wasn't.

[thorny steeple]

I genuinely don't mean to do so, what I meant is to share my opinion, that's why I'm trying to using a non-assertive tone to highlight the possibility for discussing the topic.

[grave temple]

You try to wrap it as "ehhhhh idk if its a safe country after watching x video" you put the link of the video and watch drama unfold.

[thorny steeple]

I think you might be right, I'll try to be more careful of my words next time. 👌

[grave temple]

If you cannot confirm or deny the authenticity of a video, I feel its better not to post it.

[grave temple]

Theres nothing wrong with arguing as I think debates and differences help us humanity as a whole.

[azure whale]

China is dictatorship country ! And censorship country why you think this country is can be nice?

[grave temple]

As without discussion, we would all be massacring each other. Seeing the other side's view often prevents dehumanizing and hate/violence.

[grave temple]

Are you generalizing the Chinese People as a whole of being unkind?

[thorny steeple]

The video's main point was not about Chinese but rather the government itself. I previously pointed you out to a point in the video that you can refer to in order to have a better understanding of the context and the aim of the video.

[grave temple]

Because a country itself is a concept.

And by the statement you've made, its clearly the Chinese people you feel biased against.

[azure whale]

The china people dont do thing for escape from the dictator!

[thorny steeple]

What do you think would've been a better way to go over my points?

Or to share my opinion for that matter?

[grave temple]

ok this is just the "ragebaiting" i was talking about

it doesn't mean if you are online, you can freely speak your mind

this isn't a threat just like a friendly warning

as there are people more violent in their ideas than me

extremist would be the right word

[azure whale]

I say friendly china people support their dictator and that is not good thing for the world

[grave temple]

ok sure

but remember, nobody elected them.

the nationalists simply lost a war.

if the kmd would have won, perhaps the world would be a better place or worst

we wouldn't know.

[azure whale]

Only the timid and slave people dont try to elect the destiny of thier country!

[silver vault]

Are you suggesting that the countless activists, journalists, and dissidents who have been imprisoned

tortured, or disappeared by the Chinese government simply made up their stories of abuse and persecution?

[grave temple]

Ok, but remember, the Chinese were the one who decided their destiny when fighting the Japanese.

If they were timid and slave people, perhaps more people would have died.

[azure whale]

You must to start war with your government if you wantto elect your destiny!

[silver vault]

It's quite remarkable how you can be so dismissive of the experiences and perspectives of others

[thorny steeple]

Okay, but I already clarified just beneath the video that it's authenticity is to be questioned.
Although I said it seemed convincing, which is due to the alignment of what the person is talking about with the videos he is presenting, I meant superficially convincing, and then followed it by saying I did my own research and ended up with a conclusion. I was just sharing my opinion.

[azure whale]

In dictator ship country

[silver vault]

especially when you're so far removed from the situation

[azure whale]

Democracy way is cant be possible

[grave temple]

Quite funny how people just simplify everything.

[silver vault]

You really have a flair for the dramatic lol

[grave temple]

I am sorry but overthrowing a government is easier said than done.

[azure whale]

Yes that is not easy but how romania start it or Tunisia or france people or yuguslavua?

[azure whale]

All revolution are dramatic bro !

[grave temple]

Ok you want me to dissect every those of the conflict you named, one by one?

[thorny steeple]

Absolutely, engaging in civil discourse, even when we disagree, is essential for fostering new understanding and uncovering fresh perspectives.

[grave temple]

Because each situation is certainly different from one an other.

[azure whale]

Ok day!

[grave temple]

nah i really think ur a ragebaiter

[azure whale]

But all of them start fight with the government and come wining!

[grave temple]

ngl

[grave temple]

if u talk about romania or Yugoslavia or france, i doubt "winning" is the right word.

[feral river]

don't you think the story you told is ridiculous ? 🤔

[grave temple]

ah buttocks

here we go again

[azure whale]

Yes i say it

[feral river]

if you think there is no problem to say it

[azure whale]

Why???

[feral river]

I would like to report

[azure whale]

Why?

[feral river]

false accusations against one single group

[grave temple]

lmao

[azure whale]

In which sentence?

[grave temple]

using the word slave is crazy

[feral river]

I urge you to stop this nonsense and discrimination against people if you think it's okay to do it let's see in a report ticket.

[azure whale]

If the people live in dictatorhsip country and dont start fight with there government they are timid :like iran china north korea brunea Turkmenistan and.....

[grave temple]

bro thats crazy

[formal pilot]

[grave temple]

say that to a korean peasant living under kim jon un and see how long u can survive

ok probably not the best example as they are starving

but u get mypoint

[azure whale]

Death with dignity is better than life with fear

[grave temple]

im sorry but ill rather live than die

idk but ig its human nature

[formal pilot]

Not always

[azure whale]

Give example

[feral river]

it's not the reason that you can discriminate them

[grave temple]

try running through a wall of bullets and see how good it feels

[formal pilot]

I can live with fear

[azure whale]

Ok you are timid ! I say it

[grave temple]

bro thats crazy

[grave temple]

i think hes ragebaiting u

[azure whale]

Reed about the Demonstrations in Iran and see when 70% are timid other cant be win!

[grave temple]

what is broddie saying

[feral river]

I would say those people like you having the mind to Chinese, only the thing we want to do is fuck you up.

[grave temple]

theres a saying that goes a man with a single gun, can control a whole country

try fighting against guns not even ifv or tanks

as a civilian

saying "they cant kill all of us" yuh uh they can

its good for them as it eliminates the bad plants

[formal pilot]

"Death with dignity" is a bogus political slogan, even more misleading than pro-life/pro-choice. Death is antithetical to dignity.

No matter how broken or disgusting your body has become, it will be even worse after death. You're not preserving anything by choosing to die

[azure whale]

No they cant because dictator with out the timid cant have control sense!

[feral river]

I don't think we need those type of people in this society.

good kill

[azure whale]

Death with dignity in all world change the system read the history!

[grave temple]

hell no

we got 2 people who dont value human life here

[feral river]

then why you are here

[grave temple]

i cannot bro im gone

[grave temple]

then go die for ur ideas bud

go die for democracy in ukraine and in myamar

as those are ur beliefs no?

[azure whale]

one-man army makes no sense

[formal pilot]

They wanted to live that's why they died

You can't earn freedom by committing suicide in you small 2BHK apartment

[grave temple]

its better to die saving oppressed people than watching idly standingby

right?

[grave temple]

damn

[feral river]

wait what ?

do you know what did you say ?

[grave temple]

dont suicide guys

[silver vault]

But do you think that it can certainly be a means of preserving someone's dignity in some circumstances?

[grave temple]

people love u

[azure whale]

When the society is timid you only come stupidly die if you come fight

[grave temple]

NAH

[azure whale]

First the society must come wake up!

[grave temple]

yall are to pessimistic

@silver vault @formal pilot i love u guys (as a person)

[formal pilot]

Death is for coward, we fight to live

[silver vault]

I'm blushing rn..

[feral river]

you don't love me 😭

[formal pilot]

Ik what type of circumstances you're referring to

[silver vault]

Lmao

[grave temple]

u 2

[feral river]

I think we should break up....

[azure whale]

But in too many 2BHK apartment you can earn it!

[grave temple]

aint way

[grave temple]

WTF

NAHHHH

wait...

||killing|| ||urself|| in multiple 2BHK apartment can earn ur freedom

[formal pilot]

Well yeah real estate will crash you'll earn a house

Games the game

[grave temple]

damnnnnnnnnnnnn

people in oppressed regimes should have thought of that one

@azure whale congrats u singlehandly killed chat

[azure whale]

😂😂😂

[feral river]

should we give him a certification about certificate of arrogant and ignorance in this channel ?

for real I don't even know what can I say when you cames out and say this to China say that to death

I just think holy crap, it exists.

[mental salmon]

@feral river go to hell

[feral river]

maybe you don't have that ability to send me into hell but we have that ability to send you into hell 😂

and it's no need to me for doing this, someone is already doing it for me

[mental salmon]

I am sceard 🥹🥲

[feral river]

appreciate that you at least know it 🤣

[mental salmon]

go to hell again

[still helm]

that's so bad

[rose eagle]

https://apnews.com/article/south-korea-cuba-diplomatic-relations-north-korea-cold-war-b7f28d8c2bf888df030a7fdd216fbb4f

[onyx hazel]

I know this guy, but I would like to tell you that this guy just lie about China, he says few truths, but much more false information. Mostly of his video is talking about China poverty, which yes, it is true, China is poor, China has poverty.

He says random things with nonsense videos in the background of the video which has nothing to do with what he's talking about. Not to mention, he doesn't provide sources, and when he does, he provides articles like BBC, that post so much lies about China (and also the own Palestine)

[onyx hazel]

?????

But, why is this China's fault??

[formal pilot]

Was COVID really that dangerous??

[trim lotus]

Yeah,It's feeling very bad when i got this.It's feel like a knife was cut my throat.

[formal pilot]

Dude I'm not anti vaxxers I'm just asking about statistics

[formal pilot]

Damnn

Nearly 7 million people died of covid

[trim lotus]

But actually the dangerous for older people is definitely mortal.

[onyx hazel]

You say that like it's easy to do it. If COVID happened in U.S, we were in a way worse situation (the country that 1 million people died to COVID)

[trim lotus]

yeah

[formal pilot]

My one close friend is now an orphan

I think COVID was just new, it wasn't dangerous

703,847,394 confirmed cases and death was around 7 million

[onyx hazel]

Bro, I know that China didn't warn beforehand, but the thing is: it wasn't easy to them

[formal pilot]

Fair enough

[onyx hazel]

??

Because they didn't know what COVID was in first place

[tall nova]

Hey guys Whhats up?

[onyx hazel]

Oh ok, so you're just those kind of people who think China created COVID, such a nonsense things, and people can't even prove it.

[formal pilot]

So you think COVID 19 was man made?

[feral river]

why don't we just think USA created COVID attack China 🤣

[onyx hazel]

Racist

[tall nova]

just joined the conversation

so wat are we discusiing

[feral river]

this theory has been proved as false.

and we have freedom of eating just like you guys have freedom of speech

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_COVID-19

[formal pilot]

So it wasn't man made

Hell na

[trim lotus]

How crazy it is if the virus was man made.I can't image it.

[formal pilot]

Brb

[vapid hare]

So you're saying the lab leak theory is true?

I see. But not created as bioweapons but instead only for research purposes for science, right?

[calm bison]

thank youuu

[grim gate]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-hello-chat-gif-635688626936566701

[vapid hare]

Doesn't that increase the likeliness of the bioweapon theory tho? If the death toll was high, that means it could have been engineered to be against other humans, no?

[manic juniper]

It wasn't a bioweapon

[vapid hare]

I know, I'm just playing devil's advocate here

[manic juniper]

It didn't leak from the biolab either, the most likely origin is zoonotic from the live markets in Wuhan

They even pinpointed the most likely zero point in the market

[formal pilot]

[vapid hare]

they got buffed by god

[manic juniper]

No, no virus appears suddenly, but it likely made the jump in the market from a certain seller of those animals. The virus as it is existed for a long time, but only recently it adapted to affect humans

It's how viruses work

[grim gate]

So interesting conversation

)

[manic juniper]

Poor husbandry of animals is bound to cause that, it will only get worse in the future. Likely hotspots are places with intensive animal farming like Argentina, China, USA, even Denmark is a possibility with pigs

It didn't end humanity, not even close, it was a threat mostly to certain categories of people

[formal pilot]

61 million people died in 2023 alone

[manic juniper]

Compared to how many humans on the planet it's small

[grim gate]

Are you talking about bio weapon?

[vapid hare]

where did the extra 50 million+ people come from

[manic juniper]

That's on an individual level, on an economic level the damage is of different nature

[grim gate]

0.1%

[vapid hare]

it only caused a death toll in the thousands tho (still high but relatively low compared to Covid)

[manic juniper]

Yes and it doesn't really have to do with people dying, it has to do with poor adaptability on our part

[vapid hare]

relative to Covid I mean mb

[grim gate]

Xd

Ducks almost all time so angry

[manic juniper]

It isn't likely in natural conditions but those live markets aren't a natural condition

Just like when the Spanish fever broke out in USA because modern farming isn't sustainable at all

[grim gate]

They want, that we should to eat them

[manic juniper]

The whole world didn't have millions of people living crumpled together, and yes 16 years to mutate is quite realistic

[grim gate]

Are you talking about covid-19 in 2019th?

I think about 20 viruses were at the same time with covid

[manic juniper]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348750/

[calm bison]

exactly

[manic juniper]

My opinion is that article

It's the most convincing one alongside a similar one

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348752/
The other one

[feral river]

I think the virus came from Wuhan seafood wholesale.

[grim gate]

All viruses came from China

I think all viruses which will be from China too

[manic juniper]

I created some of those viruses in my free time

[grim gate]

Xd

Yeah, i trust u

[feral river]

🤣

[feral river]

All virues came from the outside of China 🤣 🤣 🤣

both statement ridiculous, too humor to say this.

[manic juniper]

It's saying that the many early cases there does not confirm it, which is true. There is no way to know especially when China blocked most investigations

[feral river]

why you think you can easily invade someone's home ?

can I investigate in USA ?

[grim gate]

It just my opinion, because it isn’t interesting for me

[manic juniper]

Because the government is everything there and they'd lose the sense of competence and credibility they established with their citizens

[feral river]

are they the owner ?

🤣

the people who dead

[manic juniper]

All these pandemics seem to be confirmed by the EU since other governments (including USA's) don't seem as transparent

The Spanish fever is called as such because Spain was the first to confirm its existence, similarly they wanted to blame Covid's origins on Italy

Because the first publicly shared case was about Chinese tourists bringing the virus in Italy

[feral river]

who the hell asking that your life I mean the owner of the home, of the Chinese nation

are they the owner ?

are they even the taxpayer ?

[grim gate]

What the flags in ur profile mean?

[feral river]

if you mean the virus I don't think you can blame neither the Chinese government nor the Chinese people because there is no benefit for spreading virus for anyone

first they really did inform the WHO about this virus and they take so much actions for fight against the virus and it succeeded.

they can inform the WHO anytime they want, it's not really their responsibility.

[grim gate]

Lots of Chinese people in the world and government wanted to kill them, because they want reduce Chinese population, IT JUST MY OP

[feral river]

why you think they care you guys

that's why I asked are you the owner ? or are you even taxpayer ?

don't you know this ?

are you truly believe they have to be responsible for your damn life ?

what is the point of global politics

[silver vault]

Whole lotta waffling

[feral river]

if the beneift for not telling WHO what is happening in China is larger than tell them, that's what just happened.

humility and bare minimum is just their tool seeking more beneift

[manic juniper]

They're 100% to blame yes, if we knew earlier the response would've been at least sensibly better

Instead a lot of people died for nothing

[feral river]

of their people, their nation, not you guys don't you know it ?

it's about national interest

[vapid hare]

2 PHDs of Yappanese right here @thorny steeple @feral river 👏

[feral river]

they will never care anyone more except themselves

did you already make the statement to proof it for me 🤣

[silver vault]

Are the points you're making being taken into consideration?

[feral river]

it's you are saying that China didn't inform the WHO, and I said they didn't do that because it has the reason which is not their shit.

[vapid hare]

minecraft guy is pretty chill from my experience

[feral river]

it's so freaking clear and I don't know why you are keep asking me ?

[silver vault]

He's not very exceptional at debating from my experience

[feral river]

why you think they cares you guys I just really curious about that

are you the taxpayer of the People's Republic of China

[vapid hare]

cut him some slack, he's still learning how to

[manic juniper]

Because it affected other countries, if I take a shit and smear it on your home's walls then it's not something that only affects me, but it affects you as well

[feral river]

yes indeed but I think they care more about their own people than other countries

isn't that clear ?

[manic juniper]

I doubt that given that other countries found out about the virus and made it public before China

Again, Italy was the first to make it public to everyone

And according to some the virus was circling around in China since the end of 2018, if it's true they covered it for at least 3 months

[feral river]

they covered it for national interest, that's my point

[manic juniper]

Government's interests* if it was national they could've avoided more damage to the people and the economy

Instead they wanted to save public image

[feral river]

didn't they do it already ? once the virus breaks out they locked whole Wuhan city and even military entered for maintain order and building hospitals for local citizens.

[manic juniper]

Only after they fully acknowledged the fuck up lol

[feral river]

well, that's true 🤣

[manic juniper]

Basically "Hey these Chinese tourists brought an unknown virus variety here, China do you know anything about this?"
China: "Oh-ehm uh, yes, sure, apparently they weren't the only ones"

[feral river]

well once the virus breaks out the Wuhan city were locked but the international airline didn't shut down LOL

[manic juniper]

By that point the Pandora box was open and the epidemic turned into a pandemic

[feral river]

because if they shut down the international airline maybe it's just a small virus just in Wuhan but they didn't they think economic matters

actually during covid times, the Chinese GDP literally grow up, didn't decline.

I was not defending them, I just say they just doing for their own interest.

and they think you guys don't really matters to China, and they literally didn't take strong measures to control the virus but let it go

apparently, China is an authoritarian regime and the party controls everything they have ability to shut down the city and kill the virus permanently just like the former leader Mao zedong moblized chinese people and eliminated schistosomiasis

Xi jinping didn't take it seriously and he just think economic and national interests matters than people's lives

so all of actions he did is just building those hospitals and supplying Wuhan, pushing lockdowns policies and motivate the economy by huge requirements of medical personnels, It's just like Nazi Germany solved their unemployment problem by motivate their military industry.

and economy boomed, just a while, and after more COVID virus variations cames out, the economy and society were impacted, the people's trust on CCP is challenged, so they gave up their 0 covid policy and killed numerous people.

I would say they screwed up.

all of their intention which achieved left is they damaged a lot of other western nations, their rival side.

[thorny steeple]

Yes yes look the china already has vaccines before covid

Its all profit and to stunt other country progress

You see the virus leaked from a lab it means they are developing it they created it

[onyx hazel]

Basically they're saying:

• "Chinese government created the virus to kill its people"
• "Why?"
• "Because yes, they're evil (it's just my opinion)"

[thorny steeple]

well sometime the overpopulation yk

Maybe its not to kill the people but to control population

Because eventually you see the resources keep getting limited as population rise

And now the china is trying to expand and claiming territories

So to equalize

https://tenor.com/view/german-hello-chat-gif-23255674

Look you see the faster population rise the faster the consumption of resources

Maybe the china do this to lower the population and consumption and to increase production of resources

[thorny steeple]

I see. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. ✨

maybe

[manic juniper]

Saunaklonkku

[thorny steeple]

what is that

[feral river]

I don't mind to be a demon if I can get anything from just one sentence

humanity is 100% faith for their own interest

well what the hell is Saunaklonkku

a little bit reluctant for scroll up fr

[manic juniper]

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[grave temple]

nah guys for real tho

chinese people don't believe that it was them who started the virus

but rather american troops/tourists based in japan and korea who spread the virus into china

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/world/asia/coronavirus-china-conspiracy-theory.html

thats what all my chinese friends say when in asked who started covid

[thorny steeple]

you know look chinese media is controlled

what information they get is controlled

the virus leaked from a lab its clear they are developong virus weapon

[thorny steeple]

China always lies and lies you know these thing where they have their own map and claiming territories

if you are chinese and you are against your own government look you are silenced there is no freedom of speech

[feral river]

I would say don't think they are stupid.

[thorny steeple]

the tianenmen massacre happened and they hide it from chinese public media

they deny it completely and we have the footage of the tank

[feral river]

how do you explain that I'm here and I live in China for 21 years I have my freedom to speak here ?

I even used a VPN which chinese government banned most of them

[thorny steeple]

well no look what i mean is government thing

[feral river]

I mean the government is not bad as you think

Chinese government is an authoritarian government, it has a lot of problems like suppressing people's idea etc.

[thorny steeple]

see ur forced to use vpn to access things not allowed there

[feral river]

they never say something about Tiananmen massacre, Xinjiang concentration camps but we all know that exists.

[thorny steeple]

see now u is proving my point

[feral river]

we never deny that and it's not just like they are spreading fake news to misguide people that is really doesn't exist.

[thorny steeple]

and now about covid virus ofc they wonr say anything

[feral river]

but point is, because they are an authoritarian government, they can do something democratic one can't do.

don't think authoritarian is bad and democratic is good, both system has their flaws

the authoritarian government which running by the CCP is working properly.

[thorny steeple]

they could keep quiet with tiananmen massacre and xianjing and 100% they wil keep quiet and wont claim responsibility for covid

when theres already an investigation that proves it leaked from a lab that is in china and this means they are developing virus weapons

[feral river]

they won't but they helped people during covid, they boosted the economy, they make China the second most powerful nation in the world.

[versed rain]

Bros do you have not any work?

[thorny steeple]

it might seem like its working properly because the media ther is filtered if it goes unfiltered you will see the flaws

[feral river]

no at least I won't only see a thing which is full of flaw because that's completely being brainwashed by media 🤣

[thorny steeple]

and yet other countries still suffering from covid look theres hiddden agenda

[feral river]

why would China care then ? are they part of China ?

[thorny steeple]

yeah yeah look i wont take u seriously u have minecraft as username and anime profile you know what i mean

I am excited about the fall of the west and the birth of the multipolar world order. I am happy.

im saying you are i think is too young for this topic to understand this

[feral river]

I know what you mean but hopefully you better stop with your discrimination against me or Chinese people.

[feral river]

oh really ? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[thorny steeple]

look i have no discrimination to you or the chinese mafia but it seema like this, the covid started in china, leaked by china, created by china

[feral river]

cool, but stop for discrimination otherwise let's see in the report ticket.

[thorny steeple]

What do you think of Russia’s actions in Ukraine?

see now you are using the discrimination thing this just proves you are immature for topic

how could we have neutral and senseful argument if u gonna use this

discrimination" thing

[feral river]

well, didn't they screw up 🤣

[thorny steeple]

Ukrainians surely did but it’s honestly sad to see brothers fighting.

Not even brothers

[feral river]

they are brothers before

but not for now.

[thorny steeple]

But I want to hear some chinese opinions

What do you think of Japan?

They are pretty much a US puppet

Same as Korea

North/South Korea thing too

He cant say anything abt it ofc only china

Where are you from Lmknot

I’m from Serbia

[thorny steeple]

crostia

ok good

@feral river this guy from china i dont know how he is able to get minecraft

I remember minecraft is not allowed there

[thorny steeple]

Its pure greed honestly this wouldnt happen if without vlademir putin

I don’t think they even allow facebook

I have seen alot of war footage in the ukraine war and its very bad for both sides

[thorny steeple]

It’s the fault of the deep state and corrupt Ukranian government

But what i know is ukrains treat russian prisoners of war good while russian they torture ukrains

[feral river]

I ever been Japan pretty cool

[thorny steeple]

Yes i saay the sime thing its for both sides the ukrainain leader is clown

[feral river]

Maybe next month I’m going to South Korea

[thorny steeple]

Zelensky is not fit for leader look he is comedian he is good for that

Putin is a very capable and smart leader. He is extremely powerful and the same could be said for Xi

[feral river]

Oh discrimination 🤣

[thorny steeple]

This is true

The zelensky is too incompetent for this i honestly think it got worse because of this

Waste of nato budget and american tax

Zelensky is doing it for the money

To support a hopeless war

[thorny steeple]

This is true

He is comedian you cant take him seriously

He dont know things and just acts entitled for support and vlademir see this weakness

[thorny steeple]

I’d like to visit both China and Japan some day. I like both countries. Can you explain the social credit stuff to me?

Is it even real?

But whatever comes out of this war proves who is much competent for leadership

[thorny steeple]

look there is even better countrya

easy sex in america

the egypt pyramids

I’ve been to Egypt

Haven’t seen the pyramids tho

or brazil

Oh not Brazil

Please no

i mean u can go anywhere and u still have made in china products

China no1

no

Jk

try iceland

I like Italy

or vatican

[thorny steeple]

Too cold