🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

You can't do what?

[craggy sphinx]

I don't need to see earth's gravity to talk about it with another person.
I think that your example with a blind man does not fit into the context of “free will”

it's not organic

it's more like if I don't see something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

also I don't need "believe" it

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure what do you exactly mean by not organic, it's definitely not physical though.

[thorny steeple]

Really? I think it fits perfectly to be honest.

[craggy sphinx]

the term "not organic" means that it is not entirely appropriate.
yes, this term is also used in chemistry

[craggy sphinx]

it has nothing to do with faith in will

[thorny steeple]

I'm not in a pursuit of making you believe it, it's completely up to you if you don't already believe it.
The thing is, as I said earlier, free will is already hard wired into all human beings, so even if you claim you don't believe in it, I believe you internally do while just denying it.

[thorny steeple]

Now I feel like I'm going in circle honestly. 😅
I already pointed out that you cannot simply presume that free will is just a faith and use that as a conclusion, this is a circular argument.

[craggy sphinx]

mortgaged by whom or what? What is your maxim based on?

you said that will is just like experience.but experience does not arise immediately after birth.. it happens over time.

[craggy sphinx]

I don't know how you're going to prove this.

Your statement - will is the same as experience. The will was embedded in us.

My words -experience is not a finished product. this happens throughout life. it takes time.

but why do these two contradict each other?

[thorny steeple]

I think your idea about experience is wrong, your experiences include a verity of things, such as vision, hearing, sadness etc...
The experience starts at a specific time, and continues, it doesn't phase in or gradually starts to happen.

[craggy sphinx]

Yes, this happens throughout life.

[thorny steeple]

Because they are a false representation of my argument.

[craggy sphinx]

but I did not say that it goes into another phase or stops. But the experiences may not happen all the time. Now, for example, I don’t worry about anything.

during our conversation

[craggy sphinx]

but that's literally what you said...

.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, some experiences are born with you, some can take place at a specific point in your life, I think.
But I think this is irrelevant, if they exist they exist.

[craggy sphinx]

.

your examples don't add up here.

[craggy sphinx]

Can only a born child worry about how he will provide for himself?

[thorny steeple]

My original point was that, the question of "why should we believe in free will" is erroneous.
My argument was that it should be the other way around since the belief that free will exists in us is inherent.

[craggy sphinx]

bro, you're just saying this without giving any arguments.

[craggy sphinx]

This is where your examples contradict.

no problem if you believe in it. I'm not telling you to stop believing it.

[thorny steeple]

I did not say experiences are not finished products, neither did I ever imply it in any of my statements.

[craggy sphinx]

I allocated the places with a point where this does not converge.

[thorny steeple]

I understand, and I can't stop believing in it, I can just deny it while I internally still acting upon the belief of its existence, that's my point.

I also am not attempting to make you believe in it, even if I wanted to, I wouldn't have to, 'cause I believe you do have the belief of a free will internally.

[thorny steeple]

Point me out to where you interpreted my message as "experiences are not finished products".

[craggy sphinx]

"not a finished product" is mine.
you said that will is the same as experience. I explained the difference between them above.

[thorny steeple]

By the way, I only have about 5 minutes before I'll have to disengage, 'cause I have a plenty of tasks to finish currently, it's burdening me honestly. 😆

[craggy sphinx]

from this it follows that the statement “will is the same as experience” is false.

[thorny steeple]

And I further explained to you the reason why this statement is also invalid or incomplete.
What I said is that:

Yes, some experiences are born with you, some can take place at a specific point in your life, I think.

[craggy sphinx]

yes, but I gave you an example again.

[craggy sphinx]

no problem bro

thank you

see you

[thorny steeple]

No but a boy can be born with the experience of touch, hearing, and vision.

[thorny steeple]

Alright then, see ya later bro. 👋

[craggy sphinx]

no, experience requires interaction in the environment. A child who has just been born does not have such experience.

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[steep canopy]

Yo whats app

[thorny steeple]

Hey brother 🤗 how are you?

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[thorny steeple]

Okay, even if assuming that this is true, free will can be of no difference, once they start interacting with the environment, options will emerge invoking their experience of free will.
Either way free will cannot be doubted.

[steep canopy]

Doing good what abt you

[thorny steeple]

Hey brother 🤗 how is going?

[steep canopy]

Pretty chill

[thorny steeple]

I am also doing good listening audiobook

[steep canopy]

Ok which book r you listening

[thorny steeple]

Glad to hear brother 😁

[thorny steeple]

Hi. 👋
And also goodbye, 'cause I'm about to leave now. 😅 😆

[craggy sphinx]

I'm fine, bro❤️

[thorny steeple]

It's about a biography of a Indian king .

[thorny steeple]

Glad to hear that bro

[steep canopy]

Whats kimg name

[thorny steeple]

King Raghav

[steep canopy]

So you r from india?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

Wbu?

[steep canopy]

Pak

[thorny steeple]

Oh,Which province?

[steep canopy]

I m from sindh do you know about our provice?

[thorny steeple]

Sindh ,wow what a beautiful province I am also from western indian

[steep canopy]

Ok which city?

[thorny steeple]

Some sindhis live here who migrated to India in 1947

[thorny steeple]

Valsad

[steep canopy]

So they speak sindhi

Thats how you know them

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

And karachi is very nice city

And also we have cultural links with sindh and also from Pakistan.

That's why I want to visit Pakistan any day

I hope oneday it will possible any day

[feral river]

what the hell is free will ?

I mean maybe I know what is freedom, what is liberalism, but how is like going to be free will ? the willing to be free ?

what is your definition of free and why would you believe it, I don't think I can believe a thing without any type of proof.

[vapid hare]

Free will means you have the ability to make your own choices and decisions without being forced by someone else or by fate. It's about having the freedom to decide what you want to do and how you want to live your life

[grave temple]

I guess we don't have free will.

From the second you are born, your name, your place of birth, etc... are already pre-decided for you.

[vapid hare]

but your future isn't.

[hot bison]

You are a publisher?

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[thorny steeple]

Hi brother how are u?

[hot bison]

Not bad. You?

[thorny steeple]

Good

Are you Persian? My brother

[shy gazelle]

Hello.

[thorny steeple]

Nope. In my book is a common idiom that implies one's opinion; i.e., saying "In my book" is similar to saying "In my opinion".

[feral river]

So is that confused with responsibility? I don’t think you are free if you choose something and you pay it up because you did it.

[vapid hare]

to clarify, having free will means you can make your own decisions, but being responsible means facing the results of those decisions, whether they are positive or negative. So, while you have the freedom to choose, you also have to own up to what happens as a result of those choices. ( does that make sense or no)

[feral river]

Very nice then 👍

So be clarifying, it’s free to make decision, not free to pay it up your own shit, you may enjoy your right of freedom, and you may dead from it.

[main bison]

hey chinese mate
Is taiwan a country?

[feral river]

Taiwan officially name is Republic of China, so no, Taiwan is not a country, Taiwan is a province of a country which is Republic of China(ROC)

Republic of China now controls 2 provinces, Fujian and Taiwan

[main bison]

is it independent ?

[feral river]

Yes it is independent, Republic of China is an independent state.

Here is two China exist in this world, which is People’s Republic of China(mainland, Hong Kong, Macau) and Republic of China(part of Fujian, Taiwan) respectively

[main bison]

That's confusing

[feral river]

Yes because most people assume Taiwan is just Taiwan, but it actually not it’s ROC, mainland is PRC, both declared themselves as China, and one controlled Taiwan and part of Fujian, one controlled mainland and Hong Kong, Macau

The people who living ROC controlled Fujian can even participate national elections.

[main bison]

can PRC controll taiwan?

[feral river]

Well it’s hard to say but I think they are capable to control Taiwan but pointless, because it’s not like PRC need Taiwan because they need it, PRC need Taiwan for rule and power, strategic advantage and economic development.

To achieve this goal I think PRC is not capable, but only for control they can do that but pointless.

[main bison]

huh

cool

[feral river]

It’s an art to settle down a new territory(occupied region) but China is so successful for doing it.

Japan failed, Germany failed, British failed, most empires failed.

Russia barely succeeded but their great state has been collapsed

Only China succeeded till now.

How to make an occupied region to become a core state ? Japanese Empire is so successful for taking over Taiwan as their own state from Qing Dynasty

[main bison]

What do USA do with Taiwan?

[feral river]

Use Taiwan to fight against Chinese influence

Just like we are using Pakistan to fight against Indian threats.

Interest exchanging, both sides benefited from it.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFahLMLHke4&pp=ygUKb3dlbiBsbG95ZA%3D%3D

[cedar oar]

I don't think the CCP will even make an attempt, as the negatives outweigh the benifits. And besides, didn't the USA pledge to defend Taiwan in case of an invasion from the PROC? Controlling Taiwan would mostly give the CCP more legitimacy as "The one and only China".

[vapid hare]

it'd also prolly cause WW3

[cedar oar]

I don't think the British failed. Their colonization efforts sparked up new nations that are in the British commonwealth to this day

[cedar oar]

Yeah, it overall isn't worth it as the USA and China (PROC) both have nucelear weapons

[vapid hare]

Australia, Canada, etc

[cedar oar]

The USA isn't in the British commonwealth

But they did spread the English language

[vapid hare]

I'm dumb sorry 💀

[cedar oar]

So it's still a win for the British ij a way

[cedar oar]

Now worries man

[vapid hare]

America was a British colony tho so it counts I think

[cedar oar]

The person who wrote that meant countries that actually maintained their colonies, or at least that's how I understood it

[vapid hare]

ooooh I see mb mb 👍 you're correct then

[cedar oar]

Cool

But it is undeniable how much of an influence the USA made on English, still a win for the British

And Taiwan was a smaller island compared to the sizes of the British commonwealth nations

So Taiwans colonization should not be compared to the Europeans'

[vapid hare]

France, Spain, and Portugal are also somewhat successful empires like the British imo (in terms of influence)

[cedar oar]

Agreed. The Spanish language would not be as big as it was today if it wasn't for their colonial efforts

But, I think the British were the most succesful of them all since they still have ties to their previous colonies

[vapid hare]

Quebec (France), Latin America (Spain), Brazil (Portugal) would probably not speak their respective colonial languages if not for colonization

[cedar oar]

I agree with that one as well

[vapid hare]

they controlled a quarter of the world I think

[cedar oar]

Yes, and not to mention how much power and influence they had, they could practically force the Qing to do as they wanted

[vapid hare]

they were also the world's superpower before America came in

[cedar oar]

I'd say they were the worlds sole super power until WW1

Who could beat the British pre-WW1? I don't think anybody could

[vapid hare]

Spain maybe? They were pretty powerful

[cedar oar]

But were heavily declining, corrupt, and had a lot of infighting. I don't think they could, and besides, the British navy had a very good chance of defeating the Spanish one. And Spain losing its navy would be a heavy blow

[vapid hare]

that was when they were declining though, at the height of Spanish power (which was during the 16th-17th century) they probably could've beaten the British (maybe)

[cedar oar]

I need to do more research to give a definitive judgement, but I can say that the British were dead focused on their navy

[vapid hare]

Britannia rules the waves

[cedar oar]

Britons never never never shall be slaves

Indeed. Now that we have closed this debate, I was thinking of talking about something else in history

Maybe Socialism, Karl Marx, WW1, ancient Rome

The Russian revolution? Anything really

[vapid hare]

you choose dude, I'm indecisive lol

[cedar oar]

I'd like to choose something that both party's are interested in discussing, and something that we both know about

So tell me, what areas of history do you know about, or are interested in?

[vapid hare]

I know only a shallow understanding about the topics you just mentioned 💀 but ww1 I guess

[cedar oar]

Sure. Do you think the central powers could have won the war? And if yes, how would they do it, we'll mainly discuss Germany

[vapid hare]

maybe if they had achieved more decisive victories early on, they could have forced the Entente to sue for peace? The central powers arguably had the initial military advantage iirc

[cedar oar]

I was thinking the same thing (being more decisive). But I don't know, the Central Powers were fighting a two-front war (excluding the Italian front and some others), and military advantage early on would not be the trick in my opinion, they needed recourses, because Britain was bound to blockade them

[vapid hare]

they could've done it and ended the war quicker had they executed the Schlieffen Plan more effectively (imo)

[cedar oar]

The real question is if the Schlieffen plan was even possible to execute completely. They were trying to end a war quickly in an era of trench-warfare which made things very difficult

[vapid hare]

better coordination and logistical preparation would have helped massively tho

[cedar oar]

It would, but it was WW1, their technology did not allow efficient logistics. And logistics itself is very difficult to manage

[vapid hare]

what if the US hadn't been dragged into the war? Maybe the central powers could've won that way?

[cedar oar]

I don't think they could, it was a stalemate, and Germany was being blockaded by the British and was running out of food

Maybe they were doomed from the start to lose the war

[vapid hare]

iirc the US entered the war because German U-Boats sunk Lusitania. If Germany prohibited unrestricted submarine warfare, perhaps the US would stay neutral

[cedar oar]

The USA entered the war because of the Zimmermann telegram

[vapid hare]

right right, the thing the germans sent to Mexico for a military alliance. Well what if they were smart enough to NOT do that then? (idk)

[cedar oar]

Then that would just postpone the US entry into the war, since they were still sinking US ships

I have a question that's unrelated to the current topic. Is is possible to request a specefic word of the day?

Serene is a very beatiful sounding word that definitly deserves to be there

[vapid hare]

idk but there's no harm in asking them, no?

go dm the guy who does WOTDs and request for Serene to be put in there

[cedar oar]

I think asking them in the server would be better

[vapid hare]

ping them right now

[cedar oar]

Nice sarcasm

[vapid hare]

back to the topic at hand, if Germany just didn't do any provocative actions to elicit US involvement, the US would've stayed neutral, no? The American public at the time were pretty anti-war before the Sinking of the Lusitania/Zimmerman Telegram iirc

[cedar oar]

Yes it would, but Germany had to starve the British some way or another, the Entente would win the stalemate if they didn't

[vapid hare]

I don't see any other solution besides if the Russian Revolution was prolonged.That way Russia remained out of the war for far longer

[cedar oar]

But Russia didn't join the war after it left

But, they probably were doomed from the start

[peak anchor]

prolonged?

[cedar oar]

Yes, was it incorrect to use it there?

[vapid hare]

but I thought they did?

[vapid hare]

I have room temperature iq man 🗿

[cedar oar]

They didn't, Lenin would win the civil war and end the war afterwards, and he would never join it again

The Central Powers were just destined to fail. We should change the topic now, I'm thinking of Socialism

So, somebody asked me what the motive for working would be in a Socialist/Communist society

I tolf him, to have more equality, to avoid Capitalism, and to live reliably. But I'd like yo hear your guys' thoughts on that question

[vapid hare]

aren't people innately selfish?

[cedar oar]

Depends on the particular person. Most people are selfish though, but I believe that can be changed

[vapid hare]

how exactly? Through education?

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure how yet. But there must be a way to make humans less selfish, and unite them in the end

[vapid hare]

weirdly optimistic of you

[cedar oar]

I know, but it can't hurt to try. Can it?

[vapid hare]

I guess. Would be great if everyone was more selfless tbh, the world would be a better place

[cedar oar]

Agreed. But it will definitly be a slow process to convert humanity

The world needs a good confederation to start with first

Then the confederation could possibly do some stuff that would unite humand more and more

[vapid hare]

are you a socialist btw? @cedar oar

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure what I am, exactly but I'm definitly left-winged

[vapid hare]

oooh nice. Is this a recent development or no?

[cedar oar]

I don't think so

[safe scroll]

|| I need someone to answer my questions and help me, if you know a lot about tiktok dm me tyy ||

[vapid hare]

so about your idea to make people less selfish, did any of the Communist countries during the Cold War ever attempted to do just that?

[vapid hare]

go dm this guy @cedar oar

[cedar oar]

Communist countries never existed

[cedar oar]

To be blunt, I loathe tik tok

[safe scroll]

Oh okay thank you

Are you for real or you just pinged a random guy..

[cedar oar]

No, he was being sarcastic

[safe scroll]

This is a serious chat, I’m actually being serious

[vapid hare]

I've heard that a lot, but could you elaborate further? I've been taught that the Soviet Union and other "communist" countries practiced communist ideology and stuff

[cedar oar]

I think sarcasm has its place too, and besides, it's for more thoughtful discussion, sarcasm is not prohibited here as far as I know

[safe scroll]

Enjoy your guys conversation

[cedar oar]

They weren't Communist. Most of those states were Socialist. As for the Soviet Union, they used Socialism as a "transition-period" to Communism

True Communism has never actually been implemented in a modern Country as far as I know

And it would be hard to do so since Capitalism is ingrained into society, and most of the world is Capitalist. And if the USA doesn't like you, it can verybeasily overthrow your country or just sanction you

Communism would be a very hard feat to achieve in the modern world, or at the time when Capitalism took off

[vapid hare]

brb in a bit

[cedar oar]

Alright

[vapid hare]

Interesting, I never learned much about Socialism/Communism as it's considered taboo here in my country @cedar oar btw wdym by a transition period?

[cedar oar]

By transition period I meant this: The Soviets did not want to immidiatly turn to Communism as that would be fatal because Capitalism was ingrained into society like I said before, or maybe they had another reason for it, but nonetheless, they believed that given enough time, Socialism would turn into Communism

And I have question for you, are you by any chance a leftist too?

[vapid hare]

a social democrat I guess

[cedar oar]

I'll take that as leftism

[vapid hare]

some like to say otherwise lol

[cedar oar]

I think that's objectively wrong. Social democrats are definitly leftist

But I'd like to talk about something else now, since I gotta go soon

I think 1984 would be nice to talk about

[vapid hare]

wait what???

💀

[cedar oar]

The book

[vapid hare]

I thought you meant you wanted the world to be like 1984 dude

[pastel bronze]

Hello, what are you talking about?

[vapid hare]

socialism, history, and this

[cedar oar]

Yeah, I realized that when you sent that skull-face. That sure was a funny incident. Anyway, glory to B.B, long live Oceania, and down with the Eurasian's and Goldstein

[pastel bronze]

I see.
You were talking about the Soviets and Communism, it's very interesting.

[cedar oar]

It sure is

[vapid hare]

you should've joined in earlier dude

[pastel bronze]

🤝 I do agree

[cedar oar]

Many people don't know that the USSR was Socialist even though it literally stated it in its name

[vapid hare]

it's because of Western / Capitalist media lol

[pastel bronze]

Yeah I know :/
But I finally accept my weaknesses in English and decided to join this server to improve it.
It's never too late.

[cedar oar]

Oh yeah, I'd also like to mention that it's current 23:46 for me

[cedar oar]

Yes, I agree

[vapid hare]

it's 2:46 here

[cedar oar]

It never is. I realized that I had to improve my vocabulary after reading a bit of 1984

[pastel bronze]

20:47 here. Where are you living?

[vapid hare]

Indonesia. the GREATEST country in the world 🇮🇩

[cedar oar]

Chat, just remembered about something I wanted to discuss. It's the word seldom, I don't like it, I think rarely sounds better

[vapid hare]

quiet @formal pilot

[vapid hare]

I seldom like seldom

[formal pilot]

I'm bad at history that's why I'm lurking

[pastel bronze]

Yes siir. I understand, I also have to improve my vocabulary, and my improvisation, I'm not bad but I just need time to be better.

[pastel bronze]

Haha, sure it is

[cedar oar]

We all have to, I guess. Maybe we'll talk about Communism again tomorrow, then you could join in the conversation

[cedar oar]

Our previous topic was Communism/Socialism though

[vapid hare]

where are you from btw?

[cedar oar]

Armenia

[pastel bronze]

Yes let's improve ourselves together.
Ok vey nice, I will be in weekend after tomorrow so I will be here.

[pastel bronze]

Can you explain to me what is world seldom please ?

[vapid hare]

oooh armenia, you guys border azerbaijan right

[cedar oar]

Seldom is another word for rarely

[cedar oar]

Nice

[pastel bronze]

I see, thanks I will keep it in mind.

[cedar oar]

Yeah

[vapid hare]

aren't you hostile with them? Because of an Armenia-majority exclave iirc

[cedar oar]

I don't like it here though. I'd go to the UK or USA the first chance I'd get

[vapid hare]

brain drain

[cedar oar]

Me? I don't really care, nationalists can do their thing. But the country, sure

But I will say that Azerbeijan is much worse in this situation, they teach hatred for Armenians from early age, make false claims in history, and generally do horrible stuff

I would like to refrain from talking about those two countries

[pastel bronze]

I have to go. I have a test tomorrow.
Let's talk tomorrow, bye.

It was a pleasure ^^ .

[cedar oar]

Bye

[vapid hare]

hope you get a 100/A+

[pastel bronze]

I will at least try. 🔥

[vapid hare]

is that the Armenian in you talking?

[cedar oar]

Yes it is

But you can search the whole fiasco for yourself and find your own standing in the conflict

[vapid hare]

I sure will.

[cedar oar]

Talking about Armenian, I've actually forgotten most of the language itself and didn't know much to begin with. And I'm currently trying to make English my primary language, which I guess I already have, but I still gotta improve it

[vapid hare]

wait so you've somewhat forgotten your own mother tongue then? (how is that even possible)

[cedar oar]

I don't use it much at all, and besides, I've lived most of my life out of there

[low pine]

This is literally my dream

[cedar oar]

Where are you from by the way?

[low pine]

Turkiye

[cedar oar]

The inflation must be high there

[low pine]

yes

[vapid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/turkey-turkey-looking-at-friend-turkey-looking-at-oven-gif-7839521338030702394

[vapid hare]

they still voted in the guy who brought the inflation in the first place tho so deserved tbh

[low pine]

we didn't deserve that

[cedar oar]

The Turkish ultra-nationalists in Berlin did

Erdogan should definitly have been deposed though

[vapid hare]

you aren't a nationalist?

[cedar oar]

I don't think he is

[low pine]

nope i rather CHP

[vapid hare]

I really wanna know what their logic behind voting Erdogan again is

[cedar oar]

I would like to know as well

[low pine]

same

[vapid hare]

all he's done is overseen the democratic backsliding of the country and the notorious hyperinflation crisis currently facing the country

[cedar oar]

And increased ultra-nationalism

[low pine]

Erdogan decreased interest thats why inflation is bad

then he increased again....

[vapid hare]

he tried doing orthodox methods in dealing with the crisis and it backfired massively

[cedar oar]

And that, chat, is why Capitalism sucks

It's currently 00:08 for me, I should probably sleep. But this is too much fun for me

[low pine]

interest is haram for us thats why he decreased but that makes no sense

[vapid hare]

gonna get a broken sleep schedule like me 💀

[low pine]

gn

[vapid hare]

no money for muslims!!!

[cedar oar]

Didn't the Greeks seperate religion from logic dozens of years ago?

[low pine]

is decreasing interest makes interest halal of course not

and Turkey is a secular country

[vapid hare]

https://tenor.com/view/haram-heisenberg-gif-20680378

[cedar oar]

Mine already was broken. But goodnight for now, we shall continue talking tomorrow

[formal scaffold]

interest basically makes the rich more rich lol

[vapid hare]

Aight I should probably sleep as well lol (gn)

[low pine]

gn

[main bison]

Guys guys

Englisho not understando😭

[low pine]

no problemo

[weary sigil]

unlike this server

[thorny steeple]

GUYS have u ever thought about those who are born in February 29 nt 😶

[formal scaffold]

Most Leapers have birthdays in 1 mars or 28 feb if there's no 29th feb in that year

[rotund fractal]

if the end sometimes is the begining what we call this end

[thorny steeple]

What I meant is : like imagine it's 29th February , and someone was born , so he has one day now no it's the next year and it's going to be 28 days only in February so he cannot have his birthday

I think we r going to count using days here to figure out how old is he 😭

[rotund fractal]

so one year will be 29 February and next year 1 march

[thorny steeple]

That's what i think so but then a day will be wasted😭

[rotund fractal]

so trabakhooo

[rotund fractal]

even the second is not wasted in this life and u're telling me day

[formal scaffold]

bruh it's once every 4 years

[formal scaffold]

China got bigger issues xD

[rotund fractal]

ahh ok so its 1 match 3 years and the 4th its 29 February

[thorny steeple]

Damn😂😂😂😂

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[trim lotus]

Bcz,there are two types of calendars in china.Lunar calendar and solar calendar.We use leap month to adjust the error between lunar and solar calendar.

[trail ice]

What is your opinion, about, if the year has 13 months of 28 days, don't need a leap day

[trim lotus]

You mistake my opinion.I said that error it's mean chinese luner calendar are less than solar calendar every year for 11 days.So evey three years we need a leap year in Chinese lunar calendar to fix the distance.

Chinese lunar calendar has 354 days per year which was not leap year.And 355 days in leap year.

It's seems definited with the standard of moon's revolution.

[feral river]

would you think a superpower is willing to declare war with a great power even they both have close relations and they both can destroy each other for a tiny island ?

if they goes to defend, it's end for USA supermacy, and it's end for Chinese dream

I don't think CCP need some legitmacy because they are legit for almost 100 years, and now everything is okay, society is stable, economy is prosperous.

but they actually need this tiny island for more power, more economic power and strategic power, that's why they won't give up this small tiny island

but they also know that if they doing something crazy like an invasion that would be more terrible because western is going to sanction us and it's a huge impact on our economy.

[feral river]

they completely failed 🤣 their empire even collapsed how is that going well because some nation is fight against each other ?

what british got from those fighting ? I guess nothing, but they got huge if those land are still under british rule.

British did its best for themselves, including divide and rule, make you guys fight against each other so you have no chance to challenge them.

but it's not the best solution, their empire stiil divide by small groups, dominions, colonies, and occupied regions, once some cases breaks out like WW1 and WW2, their conflict will appear and empire is going to collapse.

but China, perfectly solved this problem, China annexed numerous states through assimilation progress even mongols declared themselves as Emperor of China.

that's why once China is divided into a large amount of states, everyone wants to be that emperor of China rather than being independent and China is still integrated, united, powerful, even for minorities like Manchus, Mongols, Qing Dynasty is ruled by Manchus and Yuan Dynasty is ruled by Mongols.

[cedar oar]

No, that was if they did it, I myself said it's not worth it in the slightest to get Taiwan

[cedar oar]

What do you mean? Fighting where? Please be more specefic. If you're talking about theit colonoes and history, then they got a lot of things, small islands around the world, colonies with their language, and more

[cedar oar]

China did not solve much. I do not consider a totalitarian authoritarian regime, very reminiscent of 1984, something that a success

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure what you meant here exactly

[grave temple]

I consider pulling out millions of peasants out of poverty a success.

I consider giving free education and healthcare to millions a success.

Not ever, in the history of China, it had ever happened.

[cedar oar]

I don't know how free the education is, noy do I know the living conditions of those past peasants

[grave temple]

If the CCP weren't in power, China would have stayed a poor, underdeveloped, foreign dominated country.

[grave temple]

How free? Its free education. How hard is it for you to understand.

[grave temple]

Have you never seen the rapid development of Chinese cities?

[cedar oar]

By how free I meant if it was free for life or certain parts

[grave temple]

wdym "free for life"

[cedar oar]

Yes I have, but it came at a big cost

[cedar oar]

Free until you graduate

[grave temple]

Isn't it like that in most western countries?

[cedar oar]

Pretty sure you have to pay there

[grave temple]

Community colleges exists in China.

[grave temple]

Yes, I know you need to pay for unis.

[grave temple]

Everything comes at a cost.

[cedar oar]

Then is it really free?

[grave temple]

Oh come on. Where are you going with this.

[cedar oar]

I'm simply saying that it isn't free if it costs money

[grave temple]

Of course nothing is "free", but offering the same level of education for peasants and for people living in cities never happened in China before.

Of course tax money goes to education. But before, tax money was used by corrupt nationalist politicians while million of chinese kids were not educated.

[cedar oar]

But it did happen in the Britain, they developped, gave more freedom to their citezens, and didn't establish a totalitarian regime

[grave temple]

No totalitarian regime in Britain. You really are uneducated my friend.

[cedar oar]

Sure, but that's nothing the Kuomintang couldn't have done

[grave temple]

Well they were in power 20 years in between the Beiping Republic and the Sino-Japanese War but they decided not to do anything.

They decided to embezzle state funds for their own benefit.

Taiwan was a dictatorship until the 1980s.

[cedar oar]

Uneducated? Let's say the British do spy on you, which I guess they do, look at China then, it's much worse there

[grave temple]

Rephrase that sentence.

[cedar oar]

So what, the CCP isn't? It's

A one party dictatorship

[grave temple]

I've never said China isn't a One party state.

But you are undemining what the party has done in terms of developping the country.

Having a centralized governement doesn't limit how you can help your population and developping social and economic programs.

[cedar oar]

In simpler words.
The British do spy on you but to a lesser extent, but the Chinese do it a lot more, and I meant to say authoritarian, my bad on that last part

[grave temple]

But saying modern day China isn't a success is a flawed and false statement.

[cedar oar]

I said dictatorship

[grave temple]

Dictatorship, it isn't.

[cedar oar]

That's true, modern China is kind of a double-edged sword in my opinion. It did good, but also a lot of bad

[grave temple]

One Party State.

[grave temple]

Every country is a double-edged sword.

[cedar oar]

I think it is, isn't Xi in power until he resigns?

[grave temple]

Saying "China" only is false.

[cedar oar]

North korea isn't

[grave temple]

America has more terrible poverty problem than China, why do you attack China specifically?

[cedar oar]

And they have supressed protests for freedom of speech

[grave temple]

Because North Korea isn't a sword at all.

It's dull.

[grave temple]

So did in America.

[cedar oar]

I'm not saying that America is good, but it definitly has more freedom than China

[grave temple]

Anything you say is remotely right wing or left, people will attack you.

[cedar oar]

I don't think they supressed protest for freedom of speech

[grave temple]

"Freedom of Speech" is a concept that will never be acheived.

[cedar oar]

Those may be uneducated Americans

[grave temple]

Oh boy.

[cedar oar]

It can be achieved

[toxic jay]

They do if it's not alighned with their way of thinking

[grave temple]

There are multiple accounts of Americans getting fired from their jobs for saying pro-abortion

[cedar oar]

I didn't mean to imply that

[toxic jay]

Indeed

[grave temple]

or anti lgbtq

because people will judge and hate when you have a different point of view than theirs

[cedar oar]

But is that comparable to being imprisoned for being against the CCP

[grave temple]

Im sorry, is there something you don't understand?

Mass media really got you there didn't they.

You don't get "imprisoned" or sent to a "concentration camp" just for being against the CCP.

[cedar oar]

Not really, I could say the same for Chinese propoganda and you could counter it with saying westernbpropoganda

[grave temple]

It's the things you say that might get you into trouble.

[cedar oar]

Brb

[grave temple]

Well if you are talking about Sino-Phobic, of course it exists. In Western media, the news about China is always negative. When have you heard of the new expansion of the Chinese Space Station or technological advances in China? Never.

[cedar oar]

Back

[feral river]

this is true, and corrupted, instable, even more terrible.

[grave temple]

Western Mass Media isn't too different from State controlled.

The American says what to say, everyone follows.

CNN, ABC, BBC, etc...

And lead the population to "hate" the Chinese.

[cedar oar]

I'm not denying that there is anto-Chinese propoganda in the west, there definitly is. But that does not makr the things the CCP does or did untrue. And I'm jot sure if Sino-phobic is the right word as Taiwan is Chinese as well and it's definitly on the American side

[grave temple]

But you are only focusing on the negative part.

[cedar oar]

What about China, the CCTV says what the government wants its people to hear, certain websites about that massacre at that square are blovoed as well

[cedar oar]

I always try to focus on engative parts pf countries

[grave temple]

Ok, so you want to get into that.

[feral river]

I agree with you that China under an authoritarian regime rule but it's not totalitarian regime, democracy has pros and cons, authoritarian has it too.

[cedar oar]

To see a way to fix it

[grave temple]

When have you heard the questionning the Legality of the Invasion of Iraq.

[toxic jay]

its like that to keep the nation safe

[cedar oar]

I am against it personally, but yue world is mostly selfish, and they will not care unless it benifits them

[grave temple]

America violated international law, stating falsely that WMD were being produced by Saddam, and use it as a pretext for the invasion.

[feral river]

well we know that that's 64 incident because those student and people starting protest and make mass in our society so CCP massacred them.

and most people supported for doing this.

[grave temple]

Left 200 thousands Iraqis dead.

[cedar oar]

Yes, both have their pros and cons, but in my opinion, authoritarianism is evil

[feral river]

there must be a reason that they were being massacred.

[grave temple]

When have you heard of that?

200k is a lot more than a few hundred

[feral river]

not just massacre this massacre that, it has reason and no one likes massacre unless they did something even more terrible so we need massacre them

[grave temple]

Why is 89 more documented than Iraq?

[feral river]

that's measure, not the goal

[cedar oar]

What do you mean by mass in your society?

[grave temple]

Because it doesn't support the retroric that America is the best at providing peace.

[cedar oar]

Yeah that's America's fault, can't argue there

[grave temple]

But you chose to mention 89 instead of Iraq, why is that?

[cedar oar]

Because it's anti-CCP

[feral river]

the massacre you referring in the Tiananmen square, we call it 64 incident, a lot of student pull over it's willing to spreading western ideology to create a political mass in people's republic of china

[cedar oar]

Because I'm critiqueing China while you're doing the same but for the west

[grave temple]

In China, most people never even heard of the country Iraq even less about the invasion.

[feral river]

and CCP massacred them because they are traitor of Chinese nation.

[grave temple]

the CCP doesn't go out of their way to smear America

[grave temple]

come on

I am not defending the actions taken by the CCP during 89

[cedar oar]

I'm still unsure about what you mean by mass

[grave temple]

I am really against the use of force.

[feral river]

yes I admit it's not the best solution for killing people but they did and it worked.

[cedar oar]

I can't judge you there, I must to more research before doing so

[grave temple]

sure np

[grave temple]

But just saying, I've seen both sides. Neither hands are clean.

[feral river]

well better than not doing anything in my opinion, but I don't think they will use force to solve this if they find a better solution rather than tolerate them.

[grave temple]

i think using riot police would have been better

[feral river]

I don't think they will tolerate a group of people who oppose with society, CCP's value and unity of Chinese nation.

[cedar oar]

Definitly can agree on that one, I just like countriee that are less authoritarian and more free as in freedom of speech

[grave temple]

and rubber bullets instead real bullets

[feral river]

very good, in Hong kong they used but still a lot of critiques 🤣

[cedar oar]

Blocking certain websites and phrases in wechat are things that I dislike as well

[grave temple]

yeah hard to please everyone

[grave temple]

But the point of the governement is not oppressing the people.

For the CCP, order is above everything.

[cedar oar]

But the unity came at a cost, Mao's great leap forward killed millions

[grave temple]

Without order, there isn't a functioning society.

[feral river]

"stability is over everything" - Deng Xiaoping

[grave temple]

This is why screaming and protesting is breaking order and stability.

And won't be tolerated in China.

[cedar oar]

Yes, but restricting what they can say on social media, or what they can do on the internet is not the way

[grave temple]

Not like this is a new thing.

[feral river]

yeah that's what CCP clearly stated it's a wrong movement at all.

[grave temple]

China has always been under either 1 king or a government.

Saying stuff you shouldnt say got you killed

[cedar oar]

That's good that it acknowledges its past mistakes

[feral river]

I mean the great leap forward and cultural revolution, CCP admitted it's an error which made by former CCP leader, and they smear to avoid it.

[grave temple]

Regardless if you were under Qing or the Nationalists

[feral river]

that's all enough

[grave temple]

yes

[cedar oar]

That doesn't mean that it shouldn't change though

[grave temple]

the CCP formally apologized for their actions

[cedar oar]

And what about the warlord era, there wasn't a true China at that rime

[grave temple]

Its hard to break tradition of thousand of years.

[cedar oar]

That's good too

[cedar oar]

But some must be broken, like the things I mentioned

[grave temple]

Yes but the people under each warlord were not allowed to say or protest

[grave temple]

Impossible.

Most Chinese see the current de facto the best way to live life.

They have nothing to complain about.

[cedar oar]

That's really for most medieval monarchs, until the nationalists came

[grave temple]

People who were communists were killed by the Guomindang

not like u could say anything without retribution

[feral river]

Kuomintang massacred people by floods, using forces to plunder people's assets.

[cedar oar]

I think they do, and it is plausible. It just had yo be carefullt thought out so China doesn't do what the Soviets did

[feral river]

really terrible.

[grave temple]

yes

[cedar oar]

Didn't they do that to stop the Japanese?

[grave temple]

that i know bursting dams to stop the japanese

but killed more chinese than japanese

[feral river]

yeah Japan 20K death and China 800K death.

[grave temple]

It didn't work.

[feral river]

bro 800K

[grave temple]

WW2 chinese civilian deaths is about 50 million

[cedar oar]

I'm pretty sure nationalist supporters got killed by the Communist side as well

[grave temple]

Exactly.

Hard to protest and scream for change when your whole history is not to talk back.

[cedar oar]

They had to make a re-rout that slowed down the Iapanese and let them re-organize

[grave temple]

I think the best motto for China should be Live Life and Shut up

😂

[cedar oar]

Yeah, that one does sucks

[cedar oar]

That's pretty accurate I guess

[feral river]

actually Kuomintang is more authoritarian than CCP 🤣

that's so damn true.

[cedar oar]

Not right now

[feral river]

yeah they retreat to Taiwan and they reformed and succeeded.

[grave temple]

well taiwan was under a dictatorship until the 1980s

[cedar oar]

Yes, but they're definitly free'er compared to mainland China

[cedar oar]

I'm talking about the present

But yes it was, the CCP wasn't much better at those times either

[grave temple]

The Chinese People are very proud and courageous people but they are submissive.

I don't think we have what it takes to run a country.

They need always need a leader and a guide.

In all of 5000 years of history, China was never democratic and never will be.

[cedar oar]

How so? I don't think they are, the boxer rebellion was done to get the westernere out. And to clarify, I'm talking about the submissive part

[grave temple]

And they were directed under who?

[cedar oar]

It can be, it just needs some clever thinking and time

[grave temple]

Not by a group of people. A single person wanting to restore the Mandate of Heaven

They believed in magic.

[cedar oar]

Martial arts warriors who thought they were invincible to bullets

[grave temple]

I don't think they would have won either way.

[cedar oar]

They wouldn't have won, but they definitly showee that the Chinese people are not submissive

I don't think being submissive depends on race either

[grave temple]

When I mean by "submissive" i dont mean the country itself

it always takes a leader to rally us

a democracy is therefore impossible

[cedar oar]

Then who

[grave temple]

because without a leader, there would be chaos and disorder

its the CCP that unites China

[cedar oar]

A democracy has a president and prime minister most of the time, which acts as a leader

[grave temple]

Without it, the idea of a country will crumple.

[grave temple]

usually when chinese people get to power, they like to stay

[cedar oar]

I don't know about that, the Chinese people could very well unite under a free democracy if it was done correctly of course

[cedar oar]

That's a human trait

[grave temple]

from my current viewpoint, impossible.

[cedar oar]

But elections ensure that nobody stays there for long

[grave temple]

coups exists

e.g. myamar

Sun Yat Sen tried making a truedemocracy

in china but failed

[cedar oar]

It does, but if done correctly, it can be manafed

[grave temple]

he was the father of the first republic

[cedar oar]

Was Sun that guy who made the KMT?

Or the one who proclaimed himself emperor

[grave temple]

but the greedy corrupt elected officials embelzzed and corrupted china

[cedar oar]

And then reversed it

[grave temple]

hes the one who founded the first chinese republic

after the revolution in 1912

he was a great leader

his idea were great but weren't put in place

[cedar oar]

If we're talking about the Chinese reoublic, around 150 years ago or something. I don't think thay should be compared to modern day China

[grave temple]

the oppressive chiang ka chek destroyed his idea

[grave temple]

1912

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Yat-sen

before the KMT had good intentions only after his death, chiang took power and ruled as a dictator

and elections were no more

[cedar oar]

Around 100 yeard ago, I still think that it shouldn't be compared. China back in 1912 was in chaos and was much different

[grave temple]

Sun Yat sen was really a great leader

[cedar oar]

Yeah that's definitly unfortunate

[grave temple]

he was educated in US

and bought the ideas back to china

this was the first ever elections in china

[cedar oar]

I think whay he needed to do was to be more decisive and a little slower to give the people time to understand how times were. He also should've executed or imprisoned corrupt officials

[grave temple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1912_Chinese_National_Assembly_election

first ever and probably last tbh

[cedar oar]

If you consider Taiwan China too, then it may not be the last

[feral river]

Also ensures the decision made by former leader will be replaced by next one and being crushed

[cedar oar]

It won't be if things are set up correctly

[grave temple]

well if not always an "if" question

we have to be realistic here

how likely is China going to be a democracy:0

end of story

[cedar oar]

And we can be, China can slowly transform into a democracy whilst making sure corruption doesn't happen

[grave temple]

chinese poeple only revolt when they are angry, they live good life under CCP

[cedar oar]

Not very likely, but we're talking about if it was one or could become one

[grave temple]

impossible, the CCP has tight control over ever sphere of life

[cedar oar]

A good life is a littke subjective

[cedar oar]

That doesn't mean that nothing can happen, brb

[grave temple]

well most people dont complain as bringing millions out of poverty is a good thing

well i have to go

it was good chatting with u

good bye

[cedar oar]

Back

[cedar oar]

You too

[cedar oar]

Yes, but a lot may not like the censorship anf supression against people who don't like the CCP

Stop spamming that everywhere

[feral river]

In China CCP works for 91% of people

[cedar oar]

How do you know?

[feral river]

Is there a government work for over 80% of people?

[feral river]

By ethnic groups

[cedar oar]

But why would Chinese people automatically like the CCP assuming that thr 91% arr the Chinese

[feral river]

Is there another political party working good than CCP ?

I didn’t found one

[cedar oar]

Better, yes, look at Singapore. They're doing great

[feral river]

Kuomintang more terrible

[feral river]

Yeah i visited Singapore in previous year

They are awesome

[cedar oar]

That's untrue if it's todayd KMT. If in the past, then the KMT and CCP were very similar in supression

[feral river]

Today’s KMT still not good in Taiwan

[cedar oar]

I dissagree. They give the people the freedom of spech unlike the CCP

[feral river]

Do you know what is Kuomintang mean ?

Kuomintang = 国民党 = Chinese nationalist party

[cedar oar]

It's a political part, but I don't know its meaning in Chinese

Yeah, that was name created in the past that had yet to be changed. But names do not dictate how good or bad a party is

[feral river]

Well I disagree if you think creating division and political mess is freedom of speech

[cedar oar]

I dissagree as well. But Taiwan does not not censor websites or phrases in social media

[feral river]

Hummm true I agree but CCP allowed political talks in society but you can’t literally start propaganda and challenge CCP

You still can freely express your opinion about leader, CCP etc.

But you can’t create mess in society

[cedar oar]

Did it allow speaking "64" in social media or internet freedom?

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure about that one

[feral river]

They didn’t say it’s not allowed but if you say something like this you might be get in trouble

It’s a sensitive topic just like racism

[cedar oar]

But you won't get in trouble for discusisng that in Taiwan

[feral river]

You won’t get in trouble for discussing racism in China

[cedar oar]

Listen, I really should not make judgements without proper research

[cedar oar]

Nor will you get in trouble for it here

[feral river]

Really ? I see a lot of people get banned because of racism in this channel 🤣

[cedar oar]

This channel does not represent the west, you can freely discuss racism on discord without getting banned

[feral river]

So am I allowed to talk about freedom of eating in the west ?

In China we can eat dogs, cats etc.

[cedar oar]

Yes you are

[feral river]

But USA banned eating them 💀

[cedar oar]

They banned eating them but not talking about eating them

[feral river]

That’s pretty liberal

I like it

[cedar oar]

Eating dogs is seen as being wrong there, just like how Chinese people see democracy as a bad way of governing

[feral river]

The land of the free, the home of the brave

[cedar oar]

They are free'er than the CCP

[feral river]

Well CCP literally declared themselves as democratic

But we know they are authoritarian

[cedar oar]

But they aren't democratic

[feral river]

Yeah but who cares we don’t care a democratic or an authoritarian but a prosperous economy and good living conditions

CCP provided that so they can stay in power

[cedar oar]

And freedom of speech would a good addition to that

[feral river]

This one I agree

[cedar oar]

But have people here really been banned for discussing racism?

Like you told me before

[feral river]

Yes a lot

At least I destroyed 2 racists in here and they got banned or muted

Such like a villain 💀

[cedar oar]

So they got banned for being racist, sounds fair to me

I thought you meant discussing racism was dissallowed

[feral river]

Yep

That’s why I said you can be a racist in China

[cedar oar]

I argued against a racist in a group chat once, and the amount of contradictions and things he ignored were insufferable

[cedar oar]

I don't think that's a good thing

[feral river]

That’s why we have different standard, in China if you are a racist and you may hate Muslim/blacks/jews/white we will think that make sense because they may did something terrible to our race

91% of people in China is Han Chinese

[cedar oar]

Didn't every race do something bad to another one?

[feral river]

Yes but it’s good for them and government which means it justifies CCP doing something bad for Uyghurs and Tibetans

[cedar oar]

And it doesn't make sense to be a racist just because some of the people who did bad things were of a specefic race

How does that justify it?

[feral river]

Just like Nazi Germany justified Jews as enemies

[cedar oar]

Nazi Germany did not have an excuse to exterminate and treat jews horribly

[thorny steeple]

Nazi Germans justified killing Jews by calling them subhumans.

[cedar oar]

Which is factually incorrect

[thorny steeple]

Absolutely

[cedar oar]

There is never an excuse to commit a genocide

[feral river]

Well they did a lot

I mean justification

You can search on them

[cedar oar]

What do you mean?

Are you saying that they did have an excuse?

[thorny steeple]

That's how to manipulate societies into believing certain groups are to be killed at any cost. They'll have to dehumanize those people.

[feral river]

Yeah

[cedar oar]

Which the Nazi's did

[thorny steeple]

Exactly.

[cedar oar]

No way, they had no excuse. Nobody ever does

Kind of ironic how Adolf's own doctor was a Jew

[thorny steeple]

No wonder, didn't you say that the Palestinians who are being massacred in Gaza "they deserved it".

[cedar oar]

And how he called Japanese people "Honorary Aryans"

Almost like his racial scale could be changed to fit what was happening

[cedar oar]

He did?

That's horrible if he really said it

[cedar oar]

I don't know what was going on with me, but I had to edit this around 6 times

I should drink some water

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_justification?wprov=sfti1

What if they have ?

[cedar oar]

Like I said. There is never a justification for genocide

[feral river]

They have their different interpretation about genocide and they labeled Jews as the lowest races based on hate and nazi version of science

[feral river]

How ?

[cedar oar]

You cannot exterminate an entire race for any reason

[feral river]

Well please explain why

[cedar oar]

I'm not sure if you're trying to defend the Nazi's' actions or what

[thorny steeple]

Ironic, since they called antisemitism "crazy thoughts".

[feral river]

No I’m not defending nazis but I’m saying they justified for their action for killing Jews

They did and they failed aren’t they ?

[cedar oar]

Not being a dick explains it in very simple words

[cedar oar]

I don't think it's worth arguing with people who support genocide

[feral river]

How is like they did not have any excuses for killing Jews ? I’m really confused

They have a lot of excuses for killing Jews but they failed

[cedar oar]

They did not. Because you cannot justify a genocide

[feral river]

I’m confused for this but the truth is they justified and killed a lot of people including innocent

[cedar oar]

They did not justify anything. Their "justification" for treating Jews horribly was that they were sub-human, which was both untrue and stupid

[feral river]

Well it’s untrue yes but it justified

[thorny steeple]

It isn't, I'm just having a causal conversation with you.
You won't see me arguing with him, he usually tries to impose his narrative and make false accusations. I once posted about a 12 years girl who've been murdered by the bombardment on Rafah which he responded to by calling it "selling compassion", he also admitted multiple times that he's selfish and he thinks it's perfectly okay, he might kill someone for 1 million bucks.
#🧠｜serious-chat message
#🧠｜serious-chat message
#🧠｜serious-chat message

[feral river]

I mean they justified not it’s true or not

[cedar oar]

That's not a justification

[feral river]

Well depends on you believe or not if you don’t believe it it’s not a justification and if some German people in that time they sincerely believe Jews is their enemy and it justified

Even the statement is false

[cedar oar]

Thanks for informing me about this. The best course of action would be to ignore him like you did

I'll be back in around half an hour, chat

[feral river]

First I have clearly stated that you are spreading influence by selling compassion like send a pic of a child being killed by someone at war the point is you consider the rival side is doing bad not war is bad.

And now you are clearly making false accusations against me

It seems you are trying to justify that I’m a bad guy

If you think that actually can work then I will give it back to you

Just like what did I do in before

[thorny steeple]

First, I already responded and said I'm spreading awareness of the IDF's barbaric crimes against innocent civilians.
Second, the only reason I'm replying to you right now is for other people who sees my message, other than that, I couldn't care less what you think about me, or my actions.

[feral river]

But what you do is spreading information against me

That’s why we have a problem

If you think you can freely spread anything against one single person

[thorny steeple]

I'm quoting you, if you think what you're saying makes you look bad, that's your problem.

[feral river]

Oh really ?

Do you know what did you say

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorny steeple]

Anyways, I'm disengaging.

[feral river]

Please read your own statement 🤣

And next time I would like to report or give it back just a reminder

I don’t think you can freely spread any information against one single person

[main bison]

Hey chinese mate

[feral river]

If you have a evaluation about me based on prejudices please ignore me 🤣

[muted patio]

Wtf

[feral river]

Hi! Sup

[muted patio]

chinses politics again?

[main bison]

Niho

[feral river]

Nihao

[muted patio]

But u know what guys ,i bought my first fumo today

[main bison]

Konochiwa

[feral river]

U know Japanese ? Holy crap

[main bison]

Hai
Watashia Rezadess

[main bison]

why have u got so many keyboards

[feral river]

Cuz I can use 4 languages 🤣

Chinese, English, Korean, Japanese

[main bison]

what are they?

[main bison]

can u understand all?

[feral river]

Well for Chinese and English yes but barely for Korean and Japanese

[main bison]

Do chinese ppl drive chinese cars?

[feral river]

Well Chinese cars cheap but we drive any cars we want including Germans, Japanese etc.

[main bison]

The chinese car are copy

there are so many chinese car here
In iran
Since importing cars is narrowed

[feral river]

Chinese copies everything 💀

BUT WE HAVE OUR INVENTIONS

[main bison]

copyright is translated u have the right to copy in china

Do u drive electric cars?

[feral river]

Electric cars we have tax discounts

[feral river]

Well we respect copyright internally, for international we don’t give a shit

[muted patio]

Dude,ur words may let foreigners deem that our Chinese r extreme dumb

[main bison]

are u also chinese ?

[muted patio]

yep.

Actually im form North Korea.ah

[main bison]

West korea?

[muted patio]

That's just a joke

[main bison]

oh okay
Nihoa

[muted patio]

Leihou a

[main bison]

now i've talked to 3 chinese mate

cool

[muted patio]

Indeed

i cant agree more

[feral river]

I’m just talking the truth no matter what is your stance or not

[main bison]

[feral river]

Everything is flawed if I say something based on stance

[main bison]

i wanna learn 3 more language beside English
French italian and german

[muted patio]

I wanna have a try to Vietnamese

Xin Chao()

[feral river]

Well I just wanna stick at 4 languages and it’s already hard to me

[main bison]

Why is mandarin so hard?

[muted patio]

It ismixed by Beijing and Dongbei accent

and it unified the speaking of chinese since 1949

[eternal minnow]

Chinese is hard to learn

[muted patio]

If you went to china about 100 years ago,it is hard for guys who just know mandarin.

To know what a peasant say

[eternal minnow]

there are thousands of words to use in Chinese, but there are only twenty six chars in English

[muted patio]

hoho,u could see nan word by Vietnam

Thats more difficult

[brave bridge]

traditional or mandarin or both?

[cedar oar]

I think you meant dozens of characters that each represent one thing and can be combined to represent another

Yeah that is unnecessarily difficult

[brave bridge]

what is the easiest language to learn do you reckon

Ive learnt a bit of spanish, italian, german and russian but I dont know which one to stick to

[cedar oar]

German and Spanish are good choices

[muted patio]

Chinses is also a good choice

If u r a chinses

[eternal minnow]

Why do you learn a new language? or is it necessary to learn a second language?

[cedar oar]

But it's really difficult, and you can't use it across as many country's as you can with Spanish

[muted patio]

True dude

[cedar oar]

There are multiple reasons to learn a new language. It could be just for fun, it could be for business, life, and many other things

[eternal minnow]

There is plenty of fake news in my country, but almost everybody around thinks these are true

[cedar oar]

Which country are you from?

[eternal minnow]

It's dangerous to say where I am from as I probably say bad things on the Internet about my country, I will be detained if anybody who knows me found I say bad things about my country

[cedar oar]

Nice sarcasm. But really, where is he from?

[main bison]

C'mon don't be pussy say us
We won't make fun of u

[eternal minnow]

A big country

[cedar oar]

Where exactly? East, west? Asia, Africa, Europe?

Yeah, you're right. But it would be nice to know

It sure is what it is

[main bison]

Tell us the contient

Continent

[muted patio]

Have a guss

[north wedge]

China

[muted patio]

i will tell u if ur right

[main bison]

Im from persia

[cedar oar]

Armenia

[main bison]

For real?

[north wedge]

Probably

[muted patio]

Nope

[north wedge]

Which state?

[muted patio]

Nope too

[main bison]

Taiwan?

[muted patio]

Nope three ()

[main bison]

[cedar oar]

Give us a hint

[muted patio]

Let me think

it is a Asian country

[cedar oar]

Vietnam?

[muted patio]

Nope

and socalled Socialist()

[cedar oar]

Give us another hint

[north wedge]

Aw man:( i would've liked to discuss the recent fuck ups our govt has done on the basis of your state

[cedar oar]

China? Or was that already mentioned?

[muted patio]

Yep!u r right()

[north wedge]

You're from UP?

I really don't think so

[muted patio]

And worst of all is

i from china

[north wedge]

Uttar Pradesh is not in North India?😃

[cedar oar]

What do you think of the CCP?

[muted patio]

?

[north wedge]

Are you a bjp supporter?

[muted patio]

NO COMMENT

[cedar oar]

What's your opinion on them?

[north wedge]

Ah damn

[muted patio]

NO COMMENT TOO

[cedar oar]

I see

[muted patio]

But i must say noodle is very delicious

[north wedge]

I despise them

[keen wraith]

lol, wht are you all talking about?!

[cedar oar]

He is talking about food

[muted patio]

Yes

[keen wraith]

i see but i said ''all''

[north wedge]

Honestly, I really don't know who I should support. But bjp is certainly off the charts for my liking

[cedar oar]

Oh, I missed that. My bad

[north wedge]

Ik a lot of people like to say that "bjp is the only option we've got" but I think it's bullshit

[keen wraith]

oh , no that's ok .. i was just kidding anyways.

[north wedge]

Is that so

[cedar oar]

What even is the BJP, some political party in India?

[north wedge]

What are your personal beliefs about them anyway?

[cedar oar]

What is their ideology?

[muted patio]

Why u foreigners always curious about our viewpoint about ccp

is that matter?

[cedar oar]

Because tankies always say that Chinese people like it which I doubt

[north wedge]

Religious appeasement for the vote bank

[muted patio]

hahaha,we dont care.But the leader of ccp is always get respect

But just among apolitical guys

[north wedge]

Are we not going to include communal riots in their so-called way of progressiveness?

[cedar oar]

I probably should have specified that I meant to ask where it stood on the political compass. Reading the Wikipedia article told me that it is right-winged

[cedar oar]

I don't know if that respect is sincere though

[north wedge]

Oh damn, I think I'll have to be here for a while..

Are we talking about Gujarat riots that were initiated in 2002?

Indeed

[muted patio]

For chinses of old generations,thats is true.especially to Chairman Mao

but i don't sure our generation is

[north wedge]

Instead of making claims, you should disapprove my claim

[north wedge]

@thorny steeple he was the Chief Minister of Gujarat at the time, which automatically makes him responsible for the law and order situation in the state

I honestly don't know where you're trying to go with this, but let's talk about Gujarat 2002 first

[cedar oar]

That's why I asked for your own opinion

[north wedge]

?def whataboutism

[cursive bobcat]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[north wedge]

woah sure

So you're telling me that modi has nothing to do with those riots?

When he was the chief minister of the said state

[cursive geode]

[north wedge]

Bruh but he could've taken any sort of action to make things right (which he didn't) and still may have prevented the atrocities that were carried on women from mobs

there were allegations that his government turned a blind eye to the violence against the minority Muslim community

which some people believe amounts to complicity

Wdym by 'force' lol. He did little to nothing for the victims

Can we stop with whataboutism and stick with the main topic?

It literally is. What do you have to say about the chief minister who took no action against the perpetrators?

[cedar oar]

What you two even arguing about if I may ask?

[silver vault]

Interesting 😁

[cedar oar]

And what are those points about?

I see

[silver vault]

I would like to counter this point

[north wedge]

Oh my god, I can finally go and finish my lunch

[silver vault]

Enjoy man

If you're suggesting that the Gujarat riots were simply a case of high-handedness and not an instance of systematic violence against a minority community

then I would strongly disagree with you

What's it

[north wedge]

Well forgive me for having a strong hate for a government who releases offenders of sexual assault on a whim, my views on this topic may be biased but I've tried to see all the 'fantastic efforts' they've done so far for our country but it doesn't really amount to anything infront of their way of handling of casualties

[silver vault]

progressive kaam kiya hai saar

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-62574247

[cedar oar]

Hello chat.

I have come here to say that I prefer the 24 hour standard as opposed to the AM/PM way of telling time

[vapid hare]

same, I'm too used to military time

[silver vault]

You might wanna look into this

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/opposition-flays-ruling-bjp-over-it-cell-members-role-in-iit-bhu-case/article67696413.ece

[cedar oar]

Does anybody else think that roles that are made to represent your English speaking abilities are incorrectly given out?

[silver vault]

Geez it's too NSFW..

[vapid hare]

what's with India and rape man

[cedar oar]

Yeah, it's against the rules. Not sure if the mods will tolerate that

[silver vault]

Well all the credit goes to our government

And their way of handling casualties

[vapid hare]

the BJP is the ruling party currently right?

[feral river]

I would say first they are citizen of India, second they are muslims

[silver vault]

Please don't

[feral river]

if they put muslim as the first and the second is they are citizen of India, I think they won't care you if you got attacked.

[silver vault]

When you say more good than harm. Are we comparing sexual assaults with the country's labour laws?

[vapid hare]

they've overseen the increasing religious polarization between Muslims and Hindus tho (ethnic violence as well)

[silver vault]

Average privileged hindu doesn't really consider that point. The 2020 Delhi riots, the Babri Masjid demolition, and the subsequent violence in several parts of the country are some examples of this growing divide

Moreover, I'm yet to mention about the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA)

Indeed we are

What about it?

Yeh but did that particular demolition, subsequent into violence and riots that erupted across the country resulted in the loss of innocent lives and property?

I'm guessing, no

[vapid hare]

Built under the birthplace of a Hindu god or something

is it true there was a temple dedicated to the god before the mosque though?

[silver vault]

Does that reason really should've resulted in vigilantism and riot? The mosque's construction was not a result of forced conversion or religious persecution, but rather a symbol of the Mughal Empire's military might and cultural influence

Aight let's demolish all the things that have been built on the ruins of temples and rebuild them again. I'm sure you'll support that thing too

[feral river]

it's not about the money, but it's about the power!

[vapid hare]

That would only perpetuate more religious violence and division

[silver vault]

Oh well it's happening

https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/law/story/gyanvapi-case-hindu-sides-petition-to-stop-entry-to-cellars-terrace-2508163-2024-02-28

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

What is more important: practice or theory?

[feral river]

both but I think practice is more important

practice is literally more necessary than theory.

[vapid hare]

that doesn't seem inherently anti-muslim/islamophobic though, rather it seems to be more focused about property rights (which I guess could be interpreted as anti-muslim)

[vapid hare]

You are lucky to have been graced by my presence for I am the Eternal Lord of Light.

[silver vault]

Lmao I just read the comment that was posted under this outlet💀

[craggy sphinx]

Is it possible to do without theories, but only practice?

[feral river]

yes but flawed you can get theory from practice

[craggy sphinx]

it's always like that? Can you give examples?

[vapid hare]

name-calling at it's finest lmao

[feral river]

sun is rise from the east and going down from the west, so you can literally know where is the east and west from the direction of the sun.

without studying this shit from school

[craggy sphinx]

and if they tell me about safety precautions at work, then in this case can I do without theories?

[vapid hare]

you would end up in a Live Leak video

[feral river]

that's pretty complex and basically you can work without theories just like if you don't know just know how to do it from your teacher.

but it's hard to work after if you can't learn theory from your practice

that's why I said the practice is more necessary than theory, but the theory is still important.

[craggy sphinx]

what if there are 50% theories and 50% practices?

[thorny steeple]

Depends on the situation. In some instances practice is more important, those are the times when you'll need to develop practical skills or acquire hands-on experience, such as surgery. In other instances theory might be more important, those are times when we are facing an entirely new concept with limited practical experience.
That's my take on that.

[feral river]

I can't imagine this case 😂

[craggy sphinx]

but again, when we encounter the unknown, we create ideas, we put forward proposals, but practice will provide you with a better understanding of this.

[feral river]

you may not understand what the hell is this but you can still do it, you may understand it very well but you may can't do it.

[thorny steeple]

Well, theories provide frameworks based on pre-existing knowledge, data, practical experience etc... for understanding phenomena, and predicting outcomes.
Practices involve applying theories in real-world situations, testing, and refining, them through experimentation and observation.

[hot bison]

Wtf is this?

[thorny steeple]

So they are definitely interconnected, yet as I said earlier, the importance of either is determined by what the circumstances demand, it's not a yes or no question, there are nuances that we must take into account.

[cedar oar]

Practice would be more important in my opinion. You could say that the event horizon of a black hole, once crossed is impossible to escape, but this is a theory, and it isn't always correct. Practice on the other hand, actually gives real examples of things working or failing, or being true or false.

To conclude, practice is more important than theory, but theory should not be negleged. In my opinion of course

[hot bison]

A good theory with a practical approach. Although I did not quite comprehend what you mean by this comparison.

[cedar oar]

This is also a pretty good point

[thorny steeple]

I was about to say the same about yours. 😆

[cedar oar]

However, I still think that practice is more important than theory

[thorny steeple]

In a general sense, your point seems to be plausible.

[cedar oar]

Debates like these would fit well in #1052921371006603304

But unfortunately nobody seems to talk there

This is a copied message from there

Loazi (Lao Tzu), once said, "A bowl is most useful when it is empty.", is it though? A bowl that contains food in it already is much more useful than an empty bowl as it will provide you with food

Is a bowl most useful when it is empty?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laozi

such a intelligent person

[onyx hazel]

中国，世界上最好的国家🇨🇳🚩

[feral river]

I hope it will be 🇨🇳