🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

Unfortunately it seems it’s pretty hard to trick on me 😂

Have a good day

[sonic terrace]

Then give it back and criminalize Hamas lol

[sonic terrace]

🤔

[feral river]

Since I copied the text from the one who criminalized Israel and just find a tweet to replace 🤣

If there is full of prejudice against one side

That must be the side I like to.

So why not ? Since it’s allowed

[sonic terrace]

Of course there's such thing
Because Everyone is watching what's happened there , pretty normal

How would people be neutral when they're seeing people die in hospitals by bombs from the sky?

Or dying from hunger!?

I see those all over social media

That HUGE amount of their videos can't be possibly just propoganda

[feral river]

I would say if their government represents their people, that’s what they choose.

And they deserve it

[sonic terrace]

Too much for a propoganda, every few seconds there's a video or statics showing how many people were airstriked today

[feral river]

It’s not the world you can do anything without responsibility

You must always be responsible for all of your actions

Even existence

“Politics is the war without blood, war is the politics with blood.” - Mao Zedong

[feral river]

I would say it’s stupid if they didn’t realize that they will be eaten if they irritate a tiger.

Or they just don’t care something.

I prefer the second option because there is no government is absolute pure stupid

Then what is the thing they don’t care about ? Is that civilians ?

Okay enough here, have a good time guys now I’m gonna have a sleep here is 2AM in PRC🇨🇳 ❤️

[sonic terrace]

damn

[versed rain]

Hello dear friends, Why Turkey could not enter the EU? Please answer it carefully and fully with realistic situation such as political balance between Russia and EU, or politicians close to religion . Please answer it with careful.

[main bison]

bye bye chinese mate

[formal scaffold]

I'd suggest something interactive if you want a great number of audience

[formal scaffold]

Kids don't vote blud

[manic juniper]

Turkey was on its way to join the EU at least as much as Bulgaria and Romania used to be (or if you're not optimistic, it used to be on par with Bosnia, Moldova and Albania). There isn't a need for any long explanation, the answer is just Erdogan and nothing more

[thorny steeple]

Alhamdulillah. The confirmation that my effort yields a great impact manifests when unreasonably hating people get incredibly triggered by what I usually post here and then start to respond with non-arguments in a desperate attempt to shut me up, they'll never achieve what they're striving to do. May Allah aid me and the good people here to always expose the hatred and the dishonesty of those people. 😌 😁

@sonic terrace
Right? 😁

[hot bison]

Sorry; what happened?

[sonic terrace]

That dude is waiting for you to say anything just to reply with the same message
That argument was done when he said "they deserve it"

Not entering this zoo again

[thorny steeple]

Although it's frustrating to find non-intellectual people using such channel, which is meant to be dedicated for intellectual discussions and reasonable objections.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, they are not respectable after all, don't you think? 😁

[sonic terrace]

indeed.

[robust hearth]

Do you really think intellectual discussions take place on discord at all? 😄

[thorny steeple]

Nothing, I'd like to move on from this topic honestly, too much attention grants it value which I don't believe it deserves.

[thorny steeple]

I had a decent amount of them honestly, so I think intellectual discussions just require two empathetic respectful parties, otherwise it'll be so difficult to find ones.

[robust hearth]

I'd agree with you and that's exactly why I said they're pretty rare to find.
And regarding the few discussions that take place here, they're usually two sides trying to impose their opinion rather than listening and understanding.

[thorny steeple]

True. 🤝

[formal scaffold]

Ong

[versed rain]

Before Erdogan's president, there are religious Gulen sect in Turkey. Everyone was loving the erdogan because he was walking in the street, he was solving the the technical problems at first and after that Erdogan have been voted for the presidental selection. At first he threw out 6 custom zero in prices such as previous price is 600. 000 Tl and now 6 Tl. Relations with the West were very good. But MIT(Turkish Intelligence Service) solved the Gulen sect in 2016. The Gulen sect was about terriorism organisation. U know DAES, ISID, PKK. There have been supported from Gulen sect since 2000's. And after that, Fethullah Gulen excaped to USA, Pennsylvania with USA supports. You know again, there was a coup attempt in 15th June 2016. Suicide bomb attack at Ataturk airport. The murder of a politician. The downing of the plane with 16 scientists on board. Execution of high-ranking government officials. All of them made from Fethullan Gulen. After this situations, other country thinked Turkey is insecure. If we pass it, we have economic crises ans it is very important. So Erdogan's mistake is this. He cannot manage the country but a lot of people were still voting to he. Already we don't know anything to do because the biggest part after Erdogans own, is supporting from Fethullah Gulen. You must have heard about our newly released unmanned aerial vehicles, tanks, national combat aircraft, air defense systems. Because all of them is for the fighting with terriorism near Syria. Frankly, we have no chance to turn our backs on any country. We don't have a chance to be very close.

[manic juniper]

There are political issues of that nature in Europe that are being solved (to an extent), slowly or quickly. You can take the same countries I mentioned for example, they aren't in the EU exactly because of unresolved issues, disputes (especially of territorial nature). Look at North Macedonia, it changed name just to join the EU although there are other issues going on. Albania is similarly very corrupt, but both are on a good path compared to Turkey.

Now we get in two countries that have an optimistic turnout but are unfortunately plagued by issues fully out of their control, and those are Moldova (because of Transnistria) and Bosnia-Herzegovina (because of Republika Srpska).

Then you have Kosovo which is a special case on its own, it has no diplomatic relations, it's barely recognised (even if de facto fully independent) and Serbia considers it part of itself. That's also why Serbia can't join the EU, or it'd be on par with Albania.

Ukraine is at war, Moldova is trying to get help by EU or NATO to do something about Transnistria. These two could join in the future just for their well-being, but I don't expect them to join before their respective conflicts and disputes are solved. I see Albania and North Macedonia joining in some years.

So if you come to Turkey, you have what's basically an hybrid regime ( way more than in Serbia), in a very precarious political and economical situation, the most authoritarian EU country is France (it's a semi-presidential republic if I'm not mistaken, Turkey changed to full executive presidential republic when it was a parliamentary republic before), Turkey would be in the realm of unacceptable.

[versed rain]

I got it, so can u edit it with titles? And where are u from for a country? How can we solve our problems? Can u type it with legible form?

[manic juniper]

Edit with titles? Wdym
I'm from Finland
And about solving your problems, I have no idea because it'd require a full collapse of the government or a revolution, not of the scale of Atatürk's restoration but it'd need to be almost anew. And the government type has to change to prevent people like Erdogan from taking advantage of it, turning the country into a parliamentary republic again

[dreamy pawn]

someone older than 15 here??

anyone??

[covert raptor]

I have ADHD, I cannot concentrate on a sentence let alone a paragraph

[dreamy pawn]

I need some advice

from a boy preferably

[covert raptor]

Tiktok generation, yepp

[versed rain]

But u said, just reason is Erdogan. But u are saying, it should change very much things.

[dreamy pawn]

hello??

someone smart here?

or atleast older than 15?

[manic juniper]

He is the cause of the republic changing into that, of the currency losing value, plus his military involvement in nearby countries that he doesn't want to suspend. Plus fraudulent elections. I am optimistic that his successor would at least solve some of these issues because Turkey is quite polarised as of now

[covert raptor]

Election fraud is some conspiracy nut theory

[full mesa]

hello

[dreamy pawn]

please help me brother

i need advice immediately

[full mesa]

ok

[dreamy pawn]

whats your age , sir?

[full mesa]

i am able to advise you

[dreamy pawn]

okay sir

[full mesa]

im 16

[dreamy pawn]

I would like to clarify that I have been doing quite good in academics

[full mesa]

ok

[dreamy pawn]

a straight-A student

[full mesa]

yes

[dreamy pawn]

I dont indulge in stupid teen-cringe shit

[full mesa]

as one might be

[dreamy pawn]

and dont use any social media

[full mesa]

ok

[dreamy pawn]

i just returned to this one

[full mesa]

yes

[dreamy pawn]

dont count reddit ; i made the account sometime ago

[full mesa]

yeah reddit is really a forum not really a social media i would say

[dreamy pawn]

I am a really good boy and have been a good person overall

But I tend to forget things a lot

[full mesa]

yes

everyone does

[dreamy pawn]

I remember the formulas in maths but not basic things

I dont forget in academics only in real life

this scares me

[full mesa]

it shouldnt

[dreamy pawn]

about to complete my high school

now to the main advice thing

[full mesa]

we all forget stuff, you shouldnt be concerned

[bleak nacelle]

there there there

[dreamy pawn]

So, there is this girl..

[covert raptor]

And there is this cat 😺

[full mesa]

?

[dreamy pawn]

whom I admire or maybe like her presence
It could be bcz of those damn hormones; it might be attraction or infatuation

but this is something else

I have read on wikipedia that this is common in teenage

[versed rain]

I don't know why our currency is depreciating. I can't call the elections rigged because there are a lot of people who support Erdogan. And Turkey is not quite polarised. So if we say a bad thing about Russia, Russia imposes an embargo to our country. If we be good with USA, our public rebels because USA killes a lot of Turkish military in Syria. Turkey is in a state of not knowing what to do at the moment. People in Turkey feel as if they could go to war at any moment because we don't have proper interaction with anyone.

[covert raptor]

Bro overthinking too much

[dreamy pawn]

but things are really different

[full mesa]

ok

[dreamy pawn]

she is nice not like the stereotypic teen girl

she seems very nice to me

[full mesa]

yeah

[dreamy pawn]

i dont know if it is about looks, intelligence or personality; I just feel good in her presence

[versed rain]

Please go on chat!

There is serious chat.

[full mesa]

this*

[dreamy pawn]

this is serious to me sir; sorry

[full mesa]

nah this could be categorized as serious

[dreamy pawn]

back to conversation;

[full mesa]

yes

[dreamy pawn]

she seems like cough syrup to my cold

she feels like someone rescuing me

[manic juniper]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37967045/

[dreamy pawn]

sometime ago I was kinda depressed(??) or maybe just stressed

[bleak nacelle]

I can't wait to see your face in 5 years reading this 🤣

[dreamy pawn]

but she just kinda rescued me

[manic juniper]

I don't know how influential was that but it could make a tangible difference

[dreamy pawn]

what is wrong with it? did i say something wrong

[full mesa]

just ask me the question

[covert raptor]

"all the countries I disagree with have rigged elections"

[dreamy pawn]

okay; so she often laughs at some of my cringest and strangest jokes that I crack

[manic juniper]

Idk teen love is pretty much like a cold, it comes and goes

[dreamy pawn]

I often catch her staring at me

[versed rain]

Okey. Thanks for all.

[dreamy pawn]

(believe ME , she or I dont let this distract us from studies and all)

[full mesa]

are you guys in a relationship

[manic juniper]

No

[dreamy pawn]

I often find her finding excuses to sit with me

[manic juniper]

You're welcome

[dreamy pawn]

sometime ago we had our farewell ( our high school ) 10th grade

i remember the last day of our school

It was on 14th FEB

and I was clueless; I had no idea that 14th feb is "that day"

she asked me if I was free and asked if I was taking some girl on a date

[full mesa]

go for it

[dreamy pawn]

I replied that I am way too yound for that probably cringe stuff???

*young\

[manic juniper]

And she reacted how

[dreamy pawn]

she asked me a lot of times when I would marry someone; to which I replied in doubt and uncertainity

PLEASE TRUST ME; THIS IS NOT A SHITPOST OR SOME FANTASY

this happened in real life

[full mesa]

maybe you ought to ask her on a date?

[manic juniper]

Why didn't you ask the same things back

[dreamy pawn]

and ultimately she asked me

[dreamy pawn]

*told me

that she also doesnt indulges in that stuff

[full mesa]

in datinf?

dating**

[dreamy pawn]

and replied with giggles , that I should date my mom( I dont have any idea, what she means by this)

[dreamy pawn]

what could she mean by this???

[manic juniper]

Sounds like a failed joke

[dreamy pawn]

idk

[covert raptor]

serious chat has become personal venting chat

[full mesa]

she sounds like she’s joking

[covert raptor]

[manic juniper]

It's a sentence she came up with in just few seconds, it likely makes no sense

[dreamy pawn]

it took me a lot of time to figure out that she was trying to ask me out this entire time span of 2 or 3 yrs.

I often wonder about her

[bleak nacelle]

Mind numbing

[full mesa]

how old are you?

[dreamy pawn]

for some reason she has intruded my dreams TOO!!!

THAT IS SCARY

[manic juniper]

Try thinking of any sentence in few seconds, it often makes little sense. Here is my attempt: Kaunas Ob river big elk African bush elephant Saul Goodman

[dreamy pawn]

15 ( kinda normal for teen to face these things)

[dreamy pawn]

or atleast thats what they say

@full mesa help me

[manic juniper]

Just be more bold and ask her to do 15 yo stuff like playing games together or feeding ducks at the park

If you fail who cares, it isn't that big of a deal

[full mesa]

ask her to hang out at the park

[manic juniper]

If she accepts she could be interested, see if she asks too and from then on keep going

[dreamy pawn]

I dont do that stuff; I spend my time doing mathematics; I had a big crush on maths a while ago

or maybe should I ask her to solve some chemistry questions

[manic juniper]

What does she do? Also walks are something globally enjoyed

[full mesa]

no

blud you are gonna fumble the bag

[manic juniper]

Hanging out with her isn't going to stop your personal hobbies

[dreamy pawn]

ofc they are ; but her house too far and she is also going to change schools and home after exams

[manic juniper]

You may as well sacrifice a bit of your time if you're interested in her

[full mesa]

ask for her number for sure

[dreamy pawn]

i am ok to sacrifice but the problem is I am DUMB

[dreamy pawn]

i have her mom's no.

btw

[manic juniper]

It doesn't take a huge deal of intelligence to hang out with her

[full mesa]

nah

[manic juniper]

Really it's very simple, just walk around especially around green spaces and don't say things that are too alienating

[full mesa]

what do you usually do when with her

[dreamy pawn]

I mean is this even normal to spend time with a girl who's not even my sister

[manic juniper]

Yes? Very normal in my country

[full mesa]

yes this is perfectly normal

where are you from?

[manic juniper]

My friends are all of different sexes

[dreamy pawn]

normal here too ; but not for me

[dreamy pawn]

wdym by diff.

arent there only 2?

[full mesa]

sometimes you try to go out of your comfort zone??

[manic juniper]

I mean they're not all men or women

[full mesa]

he means hes friends with boys and girls

[manic juniper]

Both men and women

[dreamy pawn]

it is not about comfort zone but I think she or her parents might not like this

[manic juniper]

There are things you didn't do in the past and that you do now, hanging out with a girl is one of them

[dreamy pawn]

acknowledged

[manic juniper]

Geez you're both 15, no? Isn't she the same age as you?

[dreamy pawn]

I have never done it in my life;

[full mesa]

you sound like a good person. i doubt her parents wont find you to be a bad person

[manic juniper]

They will not be upset, teens get into relationships and dumb teen love. Your parents probably did. Her parents probably did

[dreamy pawn]

but I think they might see me as a "DISTRACTION"

[manic juniper]

Of course, but you never walked on your legs or shat in the toilet when you were a newborn. And eventually you did

[manic juniper]

Are they obsessed with her career?

[dreamy pawn]

that makes SENSE!

[dreamy pawn]

actually i dont know their parents

[full mesa]

you sometimes just gotta go for things

[manic juniper]

This is no different than starting a new chapter in a maths book

[dreamy pawn]

i dont even know her favourite ice cream flavour

[full mesa]

dont you have her moms number

[manic juniper]

Time to find out

[dreamy pawn]

yes i DO

[full mesa]

sounds like a good conversation topic on a walk

[manic juniper]

As someone that is almost 10 years older, it's better if you don't miss these opportunities even if they are failures

They will teach you something about your next experiences

[dreamy pawn]

actually I have 'somehow' already found out that she likeD Michael Jackson

[full mesa]

you miss 100 percent of the shots you dont take

[dreamy pawn]

but HOW DO I EVEN CONTACT HER???

I dont want to MISUSE my hacking skills.

[manic juniper]

Call her mum and tell her your name, say you want to talk to her

[full mesa]

ask her mom for her number?

[dreamy pawn]

the main issue is that I DONT EVEN HAVE MY NO.

[manic juniper]

"Hey I'm [insert your name here], I'm [insert her name here]'s friend. Can I talk to her?"

[dreamy pawn]

i just dont want to regret later in my life

[dreamy pawn]

but is she my friend or maybe even interested in me?

[full mesa]

you might you might not

go for it

[dreamy pawn]

we have had a really shot span of time together(together=sitting together)

[manic juniper]

That's a lie just to speak with her, it doesn't really matter. What matters is that you'll talk to her. Her mum will say "Hey it's [insert your name here], he wants to talk to you"

[dreamy pawn]

wouldnt MY mom find out about this???

[full mesa]

why would your mom care

[manic juniper]

Because you called her? Maybe yes, you can delete your call history

[dreamy pawn]

my parents are really supportive but THEY might see "love" as a "distraction"

[dreamy pawn]

But I dont have a phone of mine

could I write some poetry ( I am good at it)?

and then hide it in her bag???

[full mesa]

no

[manic juniper]

Or you could ask her straight up

[full mesa]

thats corny

[dreamy pawn]

noted

[full mesa]

yeah

[dreamy pawn]

what's corny?

[full mesa]

poetry

you only really do that once you are a couple

and a couple for awhile

[dreamy pawn]

but where? the school has ended ; we are sitting for all country level examination

thats the only time I see her

[full mesa]

ask her after

[dreamy pawn]

excluding my dreams and thoughts ofc

[dreamy pawn]

i though of doing so BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CROWD

[full mesa]

try your hardest

cant find her? call

[dreamy pawn]

guess that's an disadvantage of being the worlds most populated nation

[dreamy pawn]

it is not about finding her; but actually my dad would pick me up this saturday after exam; normally, some unknown relative of mine was picking me up with her daughter

[full mesa]

ah

[dreamy pawn]

she's really nice btw

[full mesa]

i can tell

[dreamy pawn]

a nice person

I am not getting into a relationship for the sake of getting into one

just wanted to clarify

[full mesa]

fair enough

[dreamy pawn]

you are helpful sir

[full mesa]

man, you just gotta trust yourself. and go for it

[dreamy pawn]

she turns out to be like me; doesnt use instagram or social media

[full mesa]

honestly if shit hits the fan. its a lesson for next time

[dreamy pawn]

i dont get you; is that an idiom?

[full mesa]

sorra

sort of

shit hits the fan means that something went very wrong

[dreamy pawn]

okay

got it

[versed rain]

Beo can u go to the different channel? Here is not a special talking channel.

[dreamy pawn]

i also accept her faults btw

[versed rain]

bro*

[dreamy pawn]

i am talking to cizzl

could i send him personal chats??

[versed rain]

@thorny steeple bro! they are not typing about serious thing.

It's all irrelevant to seriousness

[thorny steeple]

What's the problem here

[thorny steeple]

Chill

[versed rain]

Okey

[thorny steeple]

Just ask them to take the convo to #💭｜general or #🧊｜chill-chat

[versed rain]

I said it.

[thorny steeple]

They'll move out eventually

[versed rain]

It was second.

[thorny steeple]

Okey leave them they will move on

[full mesa]

yeah you can dm me

[thorny steeple]

Hey Okey man take this convo through DMS

[covert raptor]

@versed rain can you explain how the "fraud" election in your country is causing inflation?

[versed rain]

Bro, election which is fraud is not reason of inflation. We have got economic crise since 2019. Our inflation %64 and the level felt is %150 for 6 month. Can u understand it? Erdogan decrease the interest and it cause of increasing inflation. After that The dollar has risen in value and has the dollar went up and things were different.

After this situation, very much people stocked cheap food and everything went worse.

[versed rain]

We have not changed our president since 2002. Huh, that is really strange.

[covert raptor]

one can make the case that erdogan used the fraud to destroy the country by changing the levers of monetary policy??

[covert raptor]

that's not the president's fault, but your constitution or republic don't have term limits

[versed rain]

I cannot say it. Mostly dissidents say "Erdogan is Fraud". But Erdogan is working for our country with faults.

[covert raptor]

wdym by faults?

[versed rain]

Bro, about 1 year ago, a law was passed that stipulated that everyone could run for office at most once.

That is good for us

[versed rain]

what is the wydm?

What does it mean

[covert raptor]

yeah what faults are you referring to

[covert raptor]

can't be true. did erdogan allow this?

[versed rain]

Mistakes in diplomatic relations, religious rapprochements, economic mistakes, lack of support for the people, a bad education system.

[versed rain]

Yeah, already it was suggested that by his own party.

[covert raptor]

so it must be that erdogan will be stepping down or that it is his last term

[covert raptor]

might be because they joined nato

[versed rain]

It will not related for me because I may not be in this country.

[versed rain]

Turkey is the second strongest country in NATO but NATO is important for us.

[covert raptor]

every turkish I speak is leaving their country

[versed rain]

Bro, i like my country but we got really overwhelmed

[covert raptor]

ottoman used to be the global powerful empire

after the western interventions and nato turkey has adopted a leech mentality and now suffering

[versed rain]

Where are u from?

for a country

[versed rain]

Do u think turkish speaks arabic or they are arab?

[versed rain]

We are not arab an we dont speak arabic.
Some of the people know it false.

[covert raptor]

i don't know. not an expert on turkish history.
islam came after the 6th century, and with military conquests, arabic was popularized so i think Turkish were not Arabic

[feral river]

Unfortunately. But we don’t have elections here so we don’t need to be responsible ? Nope.

[covert raptor]

safe to say mongolians are not fans of elections?

[feral river]

I assume you know who is impose idea in this places and I just copied his text to gave it back and he got triggered by himself.😂

[covert raptor]

dictator communism is the normal way of life from China, Vietnam, Korea, etc

[feral river]

Democracy never been a solution, every country has their different problems and situations.

[analog needle]

You are dissing Vietnam in every possible way, and I'm offended. Sent from Vietnam

[covert raptor]

Lol

[feral river]

There is no any system is 100% perfect.

[covert raptor]

Every group of people*

[analog needle]

@covert raptorLet me educate you. Some of countries you mentioned are social republic. We do have access to everything informative and educational, including Western ideology. We do have proper education for children & women and protect their rights

[feral river]

Spreading influence 🤣 you even want to assemble a party in here ?

[covert raptor]

Are you being sarcastic?

[analog needle]

@covert raptorYou better learn other countries rather than asking such question. Carry on with your dogma and we peasants won't give a dime

[feral river]

I live in people’s republic of China but I t seems I know the west pretty well 🤣

[covert raptor]

It's an honest question. I don't know where you are approaching this from.

[analog needle]

As I mentioned before. The fact that you perceived Vietnam and (South) Korea has some kind of dictatorship is ridiculous

[feral river]

I even have a good impression to western ideas including human rights, privacy and democracy, but I know it has flaws, someone is just using those idea as tool to spread influence

That’s we say that’s “western human rights” not “Chinese characteristics human rights” it’s completely different

[analog needle]

He's just hang the conversation

[grave temple]

Some people lack knowledge on a certain subject but still act they know everything about the said subject. Quite funny as they bring up flawed and false arguments/data and embarrass themselves.

[main peak]

Hey guys i got a problem in distinguishing between the use of in, on, and at

[versed rain]

Yeah, we are not arab.

[covert raptor]

I didn't place a moral judgement, equated dictatorship with something good or bad. I just mentioned the word, and most countries, people in the world agree that they are dictatorships with one person ruling with an iron fist for decades until they die. You perceived dictatorships as something immoral and did get triggered so how is that my fault?

Him: Turkey is economically failing and people are leaving
Also him: Turkey is the second strongest country in NATO

I'm confused. How can you have these two things at the same time?

I understand. It's sort of a personal bias as you are from the country.

I'm not sure. How do you fund the military if there are significant levels of inflation and devaluing currency (lira)?

Have it for display, of course. In an event of a war, where is the money to scale the military

[covert raptor]

It is quite puzzling if true. The military flexing doesn't seem right when the standard of living for a turkish citizen is close to poverty, riddled with inflation and stagnant wages.

[north glen]

Anybody here..???

[analog needle]

I, as with others, agree that "dictatorship" is more bad than good, obviously. Then with that in mind, I would say that Vietnamese government is not "dictatorship", since the leader would be dismissed if he does bad. Secondly, people in the world agree?, so if they are uneducated, you are joining with them? Are you one of the majority that believe Vietnam is still in war and live in caves? Do your research and give your own opinion before typing out random country names

@covert raptor I did not judge your moral judgement that "dictatorship" is bad, The fact that you mistaken all the terms, including "dictatorship, communism, socialism", along with assuming Vietnam is controlled by dictatorship, triggers not only me but many residents of my country

[formal scaffold]

You want to hold kids responsible for being Gazan bro cmn

[analog needle]

This is just outrageous

[covert raptor]

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying and want to start some feud on the internet. I'm not interested. You have a good one.

[molten copper]

i'm here

[analog needle]

You were spreading false information carrying Western dogma without any research. And that's just unacceptable. Better keep your mouth shut instead of opening it and let everyone knows you're uneducated

[vapid hare]

what about economic-wise though

[vapid hare]

has your inflation problem been fixed or no

I guess we know the answer then

https://tenor.com/view/angry-turkish-man-funny-turkey-patriotism-mad-gif-17778554

[feral river]

it's their kid

I don't think you will not get in trouble by your kid.

every parent should be responsible for their kid, it's human natural, not any values.

if you think you can have a child in a war zone you may take risk of being killed by enemies.

or just training your kid to became a soldier to fight against your enemies.

I don't think I will have a kid in a war zone because it's irresponsible for my kid's life, and myself

I know someone don't care that they don't think they have to be responsible for their kid's life but using another interpretation to educate their kid to let them know that what the world after life will be by their theory and they may believe and do what they think is responsible.

but as I know, I live not because someone teach me you have to live, but it's natural being, I want to live.

not live for death.

some similar cases is already happened in our nations history, and it's nothing special in my opinion, be responsible is hard, but no one can escape, so they all shirk their responsibility to others, some of them are succeed by using forces and some of them are failed and being labeled as evil till now, who the hell will know who's next ?

[thick magnet]

Hello

[waxen marsh]

hai

[rose eagle]

As a Vietnamese guy, I totally agree with your opinion

[formal scaffold]

Bro speaks like people have the freedom to escape that open air prison the whole area is a warzone even hospitals

[feral river]

they don't have that since they choose this government.

[formal scaffold]

again kids didn't chose wake up

[feral river]

kid is made by parents.

idk if there has a concept called "guardian or fiduciary" which means they are taking some of responsibility for their kid.

but in here if a kid did something wrong or illegal, the first person they contacted is parents.

wait it's not this one let me find another.

https://baike.baidu.com/item/监护人/5607707

btw I didn't find this concept in western website

Guardianship refers to a civil legal system that supervises and protects the personal, property and other legitimate rights and interests of minors and adults who lack full capacity for civil conduct. A person who performs the duties of supervision and protection is called a guardian

[feral river]

I still hope they will be okay anyways.

[versed rain]

Auto keyboard mistranslated

Tailored to military force

[versed rain]

Military spending and other mismanagement are making the country penniless.

[manic juniper]

Third by the way, UK has higher power index

[versed rain]

Is UK in NATO?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[versed rain]

So okay

[manic juniper]

Turkey is around 1600, UK is around 1400, power index is higher when the number is smaller

USA is around 700

[vale ledge]

Yes

[vale ledge]

In France we name that a tutelle
the one who is in charge is named « responsable légal »

[manic juniper]

Tutor?

[vale ledge]

Yes

https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/N155

[versed rain]

Bro, for example: car prices is very high here cause of 200% taxes.

[feral river]

cool but I can't read french 🤣

[main peak]

Does anyone here have a side hustle or whatever?

[formal scaffold]

Arabic is also an adjective not just a language FYI

while Arab is a noun

I am Arab/ I am an Arabic person

Englishman In New York
Song by Sting

*don't drink coffee, I take tea, my dear
I like my toast done on one side
And you can hear it in my accent when I talk
I'm an **Englishman **in New York
See me walking down Fifth Avenue
A walking cane here at my side
I take it everywhere I walk
I'm an **Englishman *in New York

here we can't say that English is this context means a language and that this English native singer is wrong for instance

[cursive hornet]

i think it's soon to fix

[formal scaffold]

Here's a coffe that speaks arabic 🤣

[main bison]

Where's my chinese mate?

خخخخخخ

[thorny steeple]

I'd like to give my two cents about this issue.
Arab is a noun that refers to the ethnicity, while Arabic is an adjective driven from the word Arab which means something related to the Arab's, especially language or culture.
So when you say I'm Arabic you're saying I'm something related to Arabs. The correct way to say it is "I'm an Arab, I drink Arabic coffee, and my mother tongue is Arabic", that's my opinion.

[thorny steeple]

- .... .- - .----. ... / .-. ..- -.. .

[covert raptor]

My man got lightning struck on his nerves. I'm not sure how you will survive on the internet when being triggered by simple things. Ain't nobody shutting up. Not a communist server to be afraid and quiet GTFO 🤣

Proving my point by acting like a little dictator

[covert raptor]

200% taxes 💀
This can't be real

[analog needle]

Yep simple things yet you got it wrong, I got lighting struck by how illiterate some people are

[feral river]

here！

[hybrid creek]

Would you like to cast a light for what purposes this chat dedicated to ?

[covert raptor]

You are a little dictator 🤣

[analog needle]

And you're being absurd ba showing inability to have a constructive conversation

[covert raptor]

Says the guy who wants people to "Better keep your mouth shut"

[main bison]

awww my chinese mate
Niho

[analog needle]

@covert raptorYou forgot the later part mate. I ain't wring the whole sentence for nothing illiterate. The fact that you're trying to assert me as a "dictator" showing you're no less than a dictator yourslef

[covert raptor]

Communism can kiss my boots. Oh no Kim Jong Um is not here, what will you do?

Anyone can speak their mind. You can do nothing. Cry all of us a river 😂

[main bison]

[hot bison]

[analog needle]

True. Unless what you speak is INCORRECT ACCORDING TO FACTS and causes damage to overall image of other groups of people. Otherwise everyone is free to convey their BELIEFS. They didn't teach you that in school? That's huge education failure isn't it

@covert raptorSeems like you're brainwashed and your ability to think is reduced to a toddler I believe. If you're not being informative and constructive, I afraid I have to stop here since I rarely speak with the illiterate

[hot bison]

Regardless of this discussion you folks are having. Should we grant communists freedom of speech on here?

[formal scaffold]

The truest representation of pure Arab lineage exists among the Yemeni Arabs; the remainder are amalgamations with other ethnic groups, including Saudi Arabia, which isn't entirely of Arabic descent as commonly perceived. To elucidate, it's essential to explore the origins of Arab identity and their historical migrations.

The earliest documented reference to Arabs dates back to the mid-ninth century BCE, identifying them as tribal communities residing in eastern and southern Syria, as well as the northern reaches of the Arabian Peninsula. Over time, they fell under the dominion of various empires such as the Neo-Assyrian, Neo-Babylonian, Achaemenid, Seleucid, and Parthian.

During the third century CE, Arab tribes like the Ghassanids and Lakhmids began emerging in the southern Syrian Desert, coinciding with the later periods of the Roman and Sasanian empires.

According to Arabian historians like Ibn Khaldun, Arabs are categorized into three groups. The first, Arab Ba’edah, comprises extinct tribes such as ʿĀd, Thamud, Amalek, and Jasim, which were among the earliest settlers of the Arabian Peninsula and established notable civilizations that eventually faded with time.

Next are the Arab ‘Arebah, the original Arabs, descending from Qahtanite tribes, denoting those hailing predominantly from the southern regions of the Arabian Peninsula, notably Yemen.

So the Arabic term stands since not all people that lives in Arabic countries are Arabs, I myself I'm Amazigh but I call myself Arabic

I respect your opinion and It's valid broski

[covert raptor]

We try to be not like them. They can spout out their bs as long as they allows us to do the same.

Gaslighting us that their country is heaven for freedom is insane.

[thorny steeple]

You're from Morocco?

[formal scaffold]

Algeria

[formal scaffold]

you know your stuff lol

wbu?

[thorny steeple]

I'm from Egypt. 😁

[formal scaffold]

Ntmu Yasta

[thorny steeple]

😂

[versed rain]

All of these are real.

[feral river]

That’s such a disrespectful

This is the place respects freedom of speech not spreading hate against one single group

If you want to talk about communism I know communism pretty well, cons, pros, economic and political structures, history etc.

[covert raptor]

How is it possible though? Then all you pay is taxes

[hot bison]

You live in Iran? Because same catastrophe is happening here with vehicles.

A good communist is a dead communist.

[versed rain]

Car taxes, Special Consumption tax every 6 months, motor vehicle tax, periodic taxes, administrative taxes such as these things. Our country is already returning with exports and taxes.

[versed rain]

No, Turkey. In our country, 1 liter fuel price is 44 Turkish liras with 17.002 Tl minimum wage.

[onyx hazel]

What are you saying wtf?

define communism

[thorny steeple]

It's still disrespectful. You're mentioned Kim Jong Un talking to a Vietnamese guy as if Kim Jong Un was the leader of Vietnam.

Your comment shows a lack of knowledge about the country, assuming that Kim Jong Un is the leader of Vietnam just because he is Asian. So, your comment is based on the assumption that all Asians are the same.

[covert raptor]

All the communists coming late to the drama. I'm not continuing, talk with each other in your DMs 🤣

[covert raptor]

💀

[grave temple]

This is exactly what I've said before

[grave temple]

This.

[bleak nacelle]

He's just pulling your leg

[covert raptor]

I don't see it returning. You mean it's getting better. Can you elaborate?

[hot bison]

Tl means what exactly?

[versed rain]

Turkish Lira

[hot bison]

Oh it's an abbreviation of Turkish lira

[onyx hazel]

He talking about Kim Jong Un got me dead 💀

[wary sun]

They almost pay you to put petrol in your car

[bleak nacelle]

Everyone knows where they are, talking to the fishes.

[wary sun]

@covert raptor sorry where are you from

[versed rain]

Bro, minimum wage increased 49 percent 2-3 month ago but taxes increased 59 percent. Our municipalities don't do a lot of work. Administrative work is very slow.

[hot bison]

What a nightmare. Speaking of fuel. Some folks say they are going to rise the prices here as well. Iran has cheap fuel. But not according to wages. Or minimum wages to be specific.

[covert raptor]

It's getting better or no

[versed rain]

No

[wary sun]

Im paying £10k per year in taxes

[covert raptor]

West, you?

[wary sun]

Same

[bleak nacelle]

The U bloody K?

[hot bison]

You mean because of our price? The quality is not good. But I admit the government provides significant amount. Bad policies. Traffic jam. Air pollution. Ect.

[wary sun]

Im actually romanian

[versed rain]

Our taxes cost approximately 15k Turkish Lira for per year.

[covert raptor]

They want to gaslight me into thinking that communists are freedom loving people. I ain't believing that. Insane.

[bleak nacelle]

That's lovely, I'm currently studying your language

[hot bison]

Matter of fact. We have fuel contraband. Can you even believe this?

[versed rain]

Yeah 1 liter fuel is 5 Turkish Lira in Iran in my knowledge.

[covert raptor]

You think in British pounds?

[versed rain]

Jsjs

[bleak nacelle]

Well, the idea itself is not that bad but the way people executed it was so malevolent, it's unbelievable. I'm from Transnistria btw xD

[hot bison]

It's 30k Iranian rial per litter. Almost 5cents I don't know the current price according to lira.

[versed rain]

34 Turkish lira is 1 Euro and 45 Turkish lira is 1 sterling.

[grave temple]

well we don't need to convince you

[wary sun]

I live in Britain

[covert raptor]

Oh wow. You must know the experience under the communist regimes.

[grave temple]

you believe what you want

you have a "free" mind right

you believe in the mass media

[wary sun]

Thats bs

[grave temple]

yes continue watching cnn brodie

[wary sun]

No one was happy during communism

People were starving they couldn't do anything not even read a book

People rake shit for granted now cause they never experienced it

[grave temple]

how would you know?

[bleak nacelle]

Well, it had its pros and cons. But yeah, my dad told me the life back then wasn't that happy and fun as some people think it was.

[grave temple]

Did you ever live under communism?

[versed rain]

Disgusting

[wary sun]

Im from Romania my parents did my grandparents did

My mom told me they were chewing on chicken bones because they had to give their grains and their stock to the communist party

[bleak nacelle]

It wasn't communism, it was socialism they tried to build it but they are dead in the water now.

[grave temple]

yeah but romanian communism is different from chinese communism

[wary sun]

They would come to you and take them

Right are you feom china?

[grave temple]

the russian deverted from stalinism and lenism

but the chinese still kept the marxist-lenist and stalin style of communism

[hot bison]

I had a fellow from Kazakhstan to talk to. Old person 50 years old. The atrocities communist Impose are inhumane. No God no morality and they treat people like shit. Hateful; people are of it.

[grave temple]

Everything wasn't flowers and rainbows but nobody starved

not at that extent

[bleak nacelle]

Romanians tend to hate it so much, I got outed because of my place of origin so many times by Romanians, even though I have nothing to do with that whole hogwash xD

[versed rain]

Bro, why communism is better than a good democratic system?

[grave temple]

I wouldn't use the word "good"

[bleak nacelle]

Not really. Why there are so many USSR enjoyers then? If it was so bad. Don't listen to those fellas:)

[grave temple]

As every ideology has its flaws and pros

[hot bison]

Hate blinds people.

[versed rain]

Where are u from?

[hot bison]

So many you referring to who?

[bleak nacelle]

Like I've said before, it had its upsides and downsides

[grave temple]

capitalism has flaws so does communism

until we find an ideal ideology, it will remain so

[bleak nacelle]

To people who want to bring it back. Almost every single old person from post USSR countries.

[grave temple]

indeed a centralized government has its benefits

[bleak nacelle]

The main problem with those lads is that, they choose to fall into one extreme on top of another, which is in and of itself is a stupid game. There were pros and cons as in every country across the globe.

[hot bison]

Well people have their own opinion. It's important to view all the aspects. What I understood from communism was one word only. Destructive.

[bleak nacelle]

That's dumb

[bleak nacelle]

Yep

[grave temple]

This is close-minded.

[hot bison]

Not According to history.

[grave temple]

If you refuse to listen or acknowledge the other side, there is no hope for a productive conversation.

You say: "communism is bad!1!" according to who?: "according to history"

[bleak nacelle]

History can be rewritten as many times as you want.

[grave temple]

Excellent logic my friend.

[versed rain]

Communism didn't do anything except for enslaving

[grave temple]

Continue believing mass media

[hot bison]

Certainly a major event can't be manipulated. Technology has its own advantages at preserving the evidence.

[grave temple]

Eh i wouldnt say so.

E.g. Palestian Israeli conflict.

[hot bison]

Tag me I don't see your messages

[grave temple]

People falsely claim the Palestians were there before the Israelis

That is completely false.

[bleak nacelle]

It can sure be sugarcoated

[grave temple]

They choose to look only the 50-100 years

the years that help base their own arguments

[hot bison]

I'm not refusing to listen. I'm refusing to believe. I respect others to share and tell their ideas. Doesn't mean I'm going to agree with them.

[grave temple]

if we look hundreds or even thousands of years beforehand, their whole argument crumples.

[grave temple]

I can't control what you believe in. Believe in what you want, I won't force beliefs on you.

[hot bison]

If communism was great it wouldn't leave so many people dead. Bloodshed. And I hope you are not willing to defend this by saying it was for the greater good.

[grave temple]

So Democracy has always had its hands clean?

[hot bison]

Not really. It is possible to manipulate the details. Not the event its self. tiananmen square

[grave temple]

Ex. : The invasion of Iraq by America.

They falsely accused the Iraqis of possession of nuclear and biochemical weapons even tho the UN found them innocent of any crimes.

But you refuse to acknowledge the thousands of coups/invasions the Americans committed

[hot bison]

So do I.

[grave temple]

The Iraqi left 200 thousand people dead. Did America take responsibility? No. America never apologizes because America is the "Good" person.

[bleak nacelle]

True that. It depends on how paramount the event actually was. If we're talking about WW2 then, well, no one can deny it took place. If that's what you're referring to.

[hot bison]

I never defended the democracy accompanied by the west. You are making irrelevant points.

[grave temple]

But you are saying that communism left people dead. I feel giving an example of another ideology people call "free" completely relevant in this conversation.

[covert raptor]

"this wasn't real communism"

All the previous communism is false. We have to try it again, and this time around it'll work for real. Just trust us! @wary sun

[grave temple]

nah the previous communism is the closest we are getting.

in modern times, capitalism is the ideology on top

[hot bison]

If we only look on the surface we will not know much. But the least is that we can clarify that event that took place. General opinion is what gives us smaller detail. Which is why the argument made based on overall perspective shouldn't be refer to as flawd simply because it's thought not to be qualified. In other words. It requires more detail to make the argument flawd.

[grave temple]

the masses have seen the fruits that capitalism brings

[wary sun]

@grave temple dont get me wrong today's democracy is as shit as anything but at least there is some freedom

[hot bison]

I don't appreciate politicians. In some cases you may have an ideal form of government run by corrupt people. All politicians have their hands drawn in blood. This is why I most likely to avoid political arguments. Regardless of how constructive it may be.

[wary sun]

I want to think of a democratic country that's amazing but all i think is about the northern countries

[grave temple]

people in china are also free

[hot bison]

Monoco

[grave temple]

they are free to choose the career path they wish, to conduct business, to travel to other countries, etc...

[wary sun]

I dint know if u know about the concentration camps in china

[grave temple]

to say a group of people aren't "free" because of ideology is a flawed argument.

[grave temple]

do you know guantanomo bay is still open

its a concentration camp run by the US governement with no state of law

[covert raptor]

You heard from the expert that China is free, would you move there?

[bleak nacelle]

It reminds me of that meme with canny and uncanny mr incredible where there are two sides of that word

[grave temple]

they are allowed to torture, arrest abritrairy people, killl, etc...

[wary sun]

Nop

Like i wouldnt move to us

[bleak nacelle]

I just got an invitation to Cali

[covert raptor]

So sad. It's the most free country in the world laugh

[bleak nacelle]

And I declined it, Moldova for life!

[wary sun]

How many prisoners are currently held there?

[bleak nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-oh-hell-yeah-hell-yes-gif-6153642535120452043

[covert raptor]

I'll bet be a prisoner once I get there because I criticized communism

[grave temple]

thats further from the truth

do you need to be in a prison to be a prisonner

[grave temple]

Is it fair to compare the number of prisoners? America has 350 million people, china has almost triple.

[covert raptor]

She's a prisoner in UK it seems

[grave temple]

If you are saying a prison is a concentration camp, then america is an open air prison.

[bleak nacelle]

You hit it off pretty quickly. Are you from Romania too?

[versed rain]

@covert raptor can u understand situations in Turkey?

Did you get it?

[covert raptor]

I'm not. Why? 😔

[hot bison]

Not going to lie. There was a great demonstration of it on cyber punk's trailer😂

[wary sun]

You are full of excuses

[versed rain]

Turkey is Turkiye right now by the way.

[covert raptor]

"Mad Max" world kinda situation?

[versed rain]

IDK what is that.

[covert raptor]

That is people competing for scarce resources, and too much government influence

[wary sun]

I get that you want to defend a country uve never lived in and have knowledge only from one person's opinion. I think you should move there

[bleak nacelle]

Why not?

[bleak nacelle]

You're not very different from him xD

[versed rain]

It is not a famine, it is people who are frustrated and unhappy.

in TR

[wary sun]

And why are u saying that

[covert raptor]

They won't allow me cause I'm not born there 😔

[covert raptor]

Hope it gets better

[wary sun]

I lived in a country influenced by communism for 20 smth years you can see it at every step you take, the mentality of the people

[covert raptor]

I believe we need new generation of leaders, guys like erdogan won't fix it

[covert raptor]

But but but...that wasnt real communism m'lady

[hot bison]

A generation of leaders. What will you have in mind?

[thorny steeple]

You know, there was a debate held yesterday or so about Communism Vs Capitalism, why didn't you guys join? it would've been better as a voice-based discussion.

[covert raptor]

Cyberpunk is futuristic
Do you think* turkey is similar to cyberpunk?

I mean, where are the walking robots, and flying cars

[bleak nacelle]

Same here and I always get different answers whether it was good or not. Fellas like you are just jumping from one extreme to another, when the bloke from before praises it and you're hating on it. You both are the same, pretty much. You stick to two diametrically opposed opinions. Which is quite funny xD

[hot bison]

Attaturk and shah were great generation of leaders. And many in that time in that domain.

[covert raptor]

Someone who is not in the system for a long time, and don't care about making money and corruption

[hot bison]

Not really. Just the chaos😂

[wary sun]

You are criticising me for disliking communism?

[covert raptor]

It's funny and sad at the same time

[cerulean ore]

Feels like every system will have a small group of people controlling the bigger mechanism of society or a country

[versed rain]

Bro what is that?

The sweating man is a terrorist and is currently in prison.

[bleak nacelle]

I'm criticising you for being blind

[versed rain]

Turkey is not an Islamic country.

[hot bison]

Yea😂😂.
I hope they all will be ok❤️

[versed rain]

Turkey is secular.

And turkey is not what you think it is because it is irrelevant to the turkey in that video.

[wary sun]

so what is ur opinion about communism

[versed rain]

Only erdogan related turkey.

And it was already southeastern Turkey. The Kurdish community mostly lives there.

[bleak nacelle]

Like I said earlier, great idea but it was poorly executed by power hungry nimrods.

Which tainted the whole essense of it

[versed rain]

And education level is low in southeastern Turkey.

@covert raptor

[hot bison]

Erdogan is a G. He had a meeting with our president. So he opened a book of poetry from hafiz. And it said "do not worry the tyrant will not succeed" and he pointed it to him😂😂😂

[wary sun]

what is the whole essence of it in your opinion?

[thorny steeple]

What is the topic of the chat?

[bleak nacelle]

Make life comfortable and effective for everyone, equallity.

[versed rain]

ı could not understand your paragraph.

[wary sun]

equality from whaty perspective?

[north wedge]

ironically a mixed economy with the right amount of social welfare programs has better worker rights. Let's say you go 100% communist mode, what stops the state from making people work for long periods of time in bad working conditions and then not giving them enough to even survive?

[hot bison]

It was the book reference

[versed rain]

Also, the very beginning of the video is about the summer fires in the Aegean

[hot bison]

I see

[covert raptor]

Yeah the ideas sound good on paper, but in practice they fail because of bad actors

[thorny steeple]

I agree, communism sounds like a great idea, I'm not into those kind of things though, so I might be missing a lot of details.

[cerulean ore]

I'm confused why people think communist states wouldn't have workers unions, when it's literally for the people and by the people?

[covert raptor]

Equality in terms of poverty. Everyone is poor.

[bleak nacelle]

No casts or classes, no royal bs, no gender equality.

[wary sun]

If the idea of communism is so good why did every nation fail to implement it?

[bleak nacelle]

Yeah, true

[versed rain]

waffle did u read my message which is about you?

[bleak nacelle]

For sure

[wary sun]

gender inequality waws always there

[bleak nacelle]

Because of aforementioned power hungry nimrods

Who get obsessed with power and exectute everyone who's not sucking up to them

[cerulean ore]

Truly, communist revolutionaries after a successful revolution quite literally become the dictators

[bleak nacelle]

Sorry, I mean equallity. Just a typo

[versed rain]

All of them are kurds and irrelevant to Turkey. That armed group is also a terrorist organization. They are all ignorant idiots.

[covert raptor]

I left a sad emoji. You want me to respond about what? I honestly don't know what to say.

[wary sun]

it was a very vulnerable idea

[versed rain]

Only erdogan turk in this video

[north wedge]

Seems like dictatorships are birthed under unstable conditions idk

[cerulean ore]

Like what

[bleak nacelle]

Utopia we can call it

[covert raptor]

Those chicken bones tastes good though 😋

[wary sun]

i think if an idea is impossible to implement is genuinely a bad idea

[thorny steeple]

They wouldn't be such idiots if Turkey helped them

[versed rain]

It is enough to know that what is in the video is not about Turkish culture and life. The people in the video are armed terrorist groups.

[wary sun]

SWOT analysis

[bleak nacelle]

Not with current society for sure

[north wedge]

It would be the integrity of the government

[wary sun]

not with humans cause we re all like this up to a degree

[versed rain]

They want to dedicate a piece in turkey for kurdistan.

[bleak nacelle]

If we get more advanced, we perhaps can try to implement it

[versed rain]

How can we help them

[cerulean ore]

I'm gonna go sleep.

[thorny steeple]

Are they Turkish? No
Do they want to live in Türkiye? No
Does Turkey repress them? Yes
So will they revolt? Yes

[wary sun]

ill go to helldivers to spread democracy brb

[hot bison]

Why are kurds irrelevant? Are they not a part of turkey? Borderline

[north wedge]

Nooo btw that was a good point tho

[covert raptor]

I don't want to be part of this experiment please

[bleak nacelle]

Your environment makes up your personality. Right now we have to learn how to withstand that influx of information we get. Because it overwhelms us completely and makes us dumb, I'm trying to learn how to sift it through.

[cerulean ore]

Yeah and also among these lack of profit incentive among citizens, the failure of central planning, and the impact of power being seized by such a small number of people

[bleak nacelle]

You will be 6 feet under at the time. No worries xD

Same goes for every denizen in this chat

[versed rain]

Turkey is a whole, it cannot be divided. We fought with the Kurds against the enemies in Çanakkale. Without them, we wouldn't have won. But the Kurds living on the border are constantly protesting with the support of the United States. We love the Kurds, but not the traitors.

[cerulean ore]

@north wedge Again, not Inherent to the model. Except the lack of profit incentive. Which is really based on nothing, it's just a mere assumption on my part

[hot bison]

Indeed. Much appreciated

[versed rain]

Do you want others to divide your country? Huh!

[north wedge]

Yeah I know it's not inherent but it occurs often in that system. Profit incentive for in example are vacation, compensation, profit sharing, raises, etc

Healthcare system

[thorny steeple]

My country doesn't have these problems, but if for example you want free Palestine you also want free Kurdistan, it's logic

[hot bison]

So you saying it won't be implemented until the next 60 years. Good point.

[versed rain]

They want to draw Turkey into wars in the Middle East and divide the country with the support of the rebel Kurds, but this will not happen.

[versed rain]

We don't support palestine. Only erdogan supports them.

[bleak nacelle]

I don't think we will get super duper mega ultra advanced in 60 years haha. But who knows what can happen.

[versed rain]

where do u live?

[versed rain]

Because Turkey is not like the ignorant countries in the Middle East. We have diplomacy.

[thorny steeple]

Europe

[hot bison]

😂

[thorny steeple]

So your diplomacy sucks, or rather, it is inconsistent

[versed rain]

U are right.

[hot bison]

Wise choice of words. Turkey is inconsistent.

[thorny steeple]

The best solution would be to have a federal Türkiye

[versed rain]

What's funny? How many things Iran has said to Israel, but it can do nothing. More than a coward

[versed rain]

And then there will be a regional revolt, right?

[hot bison]

How do you know they have done nothing. You base on the news whilst the reality is concealed.

[thorny steeple]

I'm not against Turkey, but everyone should live in peace, without the intervention of foreign countries

[versed rain]

Frankly, I don't like Iran because of its people and from a diplomatic point of view, and there are a lot of security issues.

[thorny steeple]

Not necessarily, there should be a compromise

[hot bison]

I'm not against turkey either. Your view is idealistic. Not realistic. But its well appreciated.

[thorny steeple]

It'll be realistic very soon

[versed rain]

Like Iraq granted autonomy? Only weak countries do this.

[hot bison]

What do you mean people from political view. And by security you indicating what?

[thorny steeple]

It would be much easier for Turkey and its people to have a federal government, with different regions having their own autonomy and jurisdiction

[hot bison]

I hope. Many folks deserve a lovely prosperous life.

[versed rain]

The country is ruled by Sharia and there are many terrorists in the north.

[thorny steeple]

You're right mate

[hot bison]

There is no terrorist in the north. They only terrorist we have are the ones I charge😂😂😂. It's not run by sharia. It's corrupted. Rotten to the core.

In charge*

[versed rain]

This has been before the parliament but has been rejected.

[hot bison]

I'll be more that eager to reply to misconceptions

[versed rain]

It's my choice, it's not a place to live

[hot bison]

Than

[versed rain]

Turkey is not at a level to switch to a federal system. Frankly, those images you see are from the 2010s, and our military suppresses those terrorists so well that you can't even guess.

[hot bison]

A country preserves its culture or provides wealth. Iran have failed in both domains. This is why our emigration has skyrocketed.

Emigration rate. My mind is dying its late. I apologize.

[versed rain]

You are just looking for a way out to vilify turkey.

I think i explained all of the situations.

[hot bison]

Me?

[versed rain]

Yeah

[hot bison]

Vivify would be more like it. Why would you think that?

The video was a joke

[versed rain]

Turkey is very bad and unsafe, okay my friend, don't come to Turkey.

[hot bison]

When did I say that😂

[versed rain]

I'm nervous about this kind of thing

[hot bison]

Don't take any offense to it.

[versed rain]

Because every day one of our soldiers is martyred for this. Martyrdom is very valuable for us.

There is no rest for one of our soldiers until we root out those terrorists.

[keen bay]

then you're just another waste of oxygen in turkey

to think of this as a political issue 😭 we're not even in the picture who are you fucking defending the murderers?

[versed rain]

Say it to europeans.

Not to the turks

[versed rain]

Yes, this is a matter of politics. It's not about emotions.

[keen bay]

they're already doing more than you do at least not supporting the actual crime

[versed rain]

The state is not governed by emotions, but by its interests.

[keen bay]

tell that to the children whose parents have blown up

shame on you, that's all i am going to say about this

[versed rain]

Personally, I don't support Israel. But I say Israel for my state.

[versed rain]

I hope they will well

for Palestinians

[formal scaffold]

emotions started since WW2 where everyone supported Israel bc of the genocide, they were all scared to be called antitheist even tho the term doesn't include them alone lol

[versed rain]

Israel is a threat to Turkey, but it cannot defend Palestine with its emotions in the Palestinian war.

[formal scaffold]

if The Us and Europe symathised with IL fr they'd offred a land there, or offred germany to them, but logically the islamic empire was a threat since it ruled for centuries they had to control the Area

[versed rain]

God give trouble to Zionists.

But i cannot support palestine in this war for my country.

[formal scaffold]

Agreed, there's no emotions in politics that's why arabs keeps shouting but their leaders are chilling

[keen bay]

you have no country

[versed rain]

You are right.

[north wedge]

Lmao

[formal scaffold]

Palstine isn't a country is a nation btw

[north wedge]

What a nice way to refute other's argument

[formal scaffold]

that's not a bad thing or smth to insult with

[smoky prawn]

you wouldnt last a day in tatarstan lil bro

[keen bay]

i don't consider him turkish is what i am saying

don't take my words from my mouth

[formal scaffold]

yr pfp and descriptions tells me you'll survive more in there xD

[versed rain]

God help the Palestinians, but if I were a ruler, I would not take my country to war for emotional reasons. Because it is Hamas that officially started it.

[keen bay]

zionism is the core of this world that is cruelty

[formal scaffold]

I didn't just added to what you said don't take offense

[north wedge]

I'm confused, do you think every turk has the same type of mindset?

[formal scaffold]

it's not only about turcs it's more about goverement following only their benefits, which they should do

[versed rain]

What do you think the Turks are? Is it because they all support Palestine? No, there are all kinds of people in our country.

[smoky prawn]

don’t step a foot into tatarstan lil bro my gang will mess you up

[keen bay]

well i don't like seeing the death of hundreds of children happening in front of my eyes and seeing that some so called turkish guy supporting the actual murderers and saying "god bless zionists"???????? what the fuck

[thorny steeple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary
It all started here?

[formal scaffold]

I'm from Danzeldorf g, you know how we roll in there, big dunzel in the building cuh

[north wedge]

He didn't say 'god bless Zionist' anywhere in this conversation. You're pivoting

[versed rain]

Uhh, he mistranslated the word trouble in the translation.

[smoky prawn]

homeland

[versed rain]

Sorry coco

I don't support the Zionists.

[smoky prawn]

come on pal this aint no game

you don’t wanna mess with me

[keen bay]

my guy this is literally what you said, how do you want me to interpret it

[north wedge]

Literally, i think people misinterpret other's statement just by their beliefs

[keen bay]

hilarious

[smoky prawn]

shut up pal

[versed rain]

U are right.

[formal scaffold]

people like to jump to conclusion, me included, bc I'm a lazy thinker

[keen bay]

you should do as you wrote that bio

[versed rain]

Dude, I misspelled the sentence. Why keep it going?

[north wedge]

Look man, you can virtue signal here all day. But don't just blame others for something they didn't even say

[keen bay]

the funny thing is he DID say it

[north wedge]

I do it too but i tend to not take it to the extremes

[keen bay]

he just pleads oopsie daisies

[smoky prawn]

don’t mess with me pal… here in tatarstan life aint no game we dont mess around cuh yo ass could get flamed cuh

[keen bay]

good luck with that

[smoky prawn]

facts

[smoky prawn]

yeah you better be scared

[keen bay]

all i'm saying is by not supporting the innocent lives that is constantly getting shot and blown up, you're only supporting a massacre, a terrorist's dream come true

netenyahu thinks he can get away with war crimes and by the time this whole shitshow ends i fear he may be right

[versed rain]

Bro, i don't support zionists, Israel. I support Palestine. But If I were the ruler of the state, I would choose Israel because Hamas was the first to start the war.

[keen bay]

where did you study history if i may be so bold to ask

[versed rain]

But it is not humane at all to tear children apart.

[keen bay]

who started the war again?

[versed rain]

I edited my message.

[keen bay]

ingilizceni siktir et onemli degil simdi

sen ne kadardir hamas'in bu savasi baslattigini dusunuyordun

haberlerde gordugunden beri mi

[versed rain]

Dm gelir misin?

[keen bay]

no can do

this conflict started in 1947 with the expulsion of palestinians out of israel, from palestinians' rightful lands

israel started it in 1947

[versed rain]

Yıllardır israil filistine zulmediyor evet. Filistin devlet başkanı da bunu israil bize savaş açtı diyerek resmileştirmiyor. Ben sonuna kadar filistinin yanındayım ancak siyasi açıdan tarafsız olmamız en iyisidir çünkü hem çocuklar parçalanıyor ama bir yandan da resmiyeten hamas savaş başlatmış.

[keen bay]

hamas was retaliating and they did take some shitty decisions by massacring people at a completely unrelated concert

ulke olarak taraf tutmamiz bizim elimizde degil zaten???

[versed rain]

O zaman sorun yok.

Good night.

[formal scaffold]

Bro the conflict started 70 years ago, each time Zionist kill and push people outside their houses no one reacts, but if Hamas fights back bc of the life conditions there being in a condensed city to not die of hunger and famine you support the others? you do you bro but I'll always be against occupiers and land stealers

ethically speaking

[keen bay]

finally a human decency

is it so damn hard to feel another person's pain? how they're living in hell on earth

[formal scaffold]

I don't think most politicians can feel pain tho

[keen bay]

they sure don't

[hot bison]

I have always wondered. Why do we refer to occupants as Isreal. As if we are legitimizing their interest. The occupant regime or occupied palestine is a better suitable term.

[keen bay]

yeah but education starts with pointing out the wrongs doesn't it

it's hard to teach something to the people with deaf ears and blind eyes

[hot bison]

It's so unfortunate that these rightful terms are alienated and the others are normalized.

[keen bay]

pity, really

[worn bolt]

[cedar shuttle]

❤️

[grave temple]

why do people keep looking at the past 50 years

as i've said before and i will say it again

looking only the past 50 years and using it as an argument is flawed

The conflict didn't start in 47

Israelis were present in the area before 47

After the being freed from the egyptians, the israelis call it the Great Exodus

they left egypt and set their eyes to the land next to the red sea

[grave temple]

this isn't hearsay, this is real documented history

they lived in the area for hundreds of years before being forcefully kicked out by the roman empire

[formal scaffold]

this two screens are enough have a nice day

[grave temple]

I am not defending the actions of the State of Israel nor the IDF, I think the forceful explusion of the Palestinians is morally wrong

[grave temple]

What have you proved?

But saying no one was there before the Palestinians is wrong

the temple of jerusalem didnt magically build itself and destroy itself

just for context the Israelites were the ancestors of Jews and practiced the same religion

[grave temple]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_demographics_of_Palestine_(region)

Here is the full timeline

You really think the Ottoman Empire (a muslim theocratic state) allowed the existence of Jews on its territory?

The Ottomans frequently practiced ethnic cleasing 1914 Armenian Genocide for example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

I personally can't stand what the Israelis are doing right now. But defending Hamas is also a flawed argument . Both sides are evil. And I wish for an immediate ceasefire, to allow aid and food into Gaza and a FAIR Two State Solution with the end of assimilation, and landgrabbing.

[formal scaffold]

A bonus for you habibi

[grave temple]

Bro u put articles and you dont even read the demographic charts i showed you

[formal scaffold]

each belief claim the temple to be his even christian bc all the three abrahamic relegions Believe abraham was preaching their relegion

[grave temple]

this articles just says arabs genetically are the same of jews

[formal scaffold]

Israel peace be upon him is his son

[grave temple]

it doesnt prove anything

[formal scaffold]

that's where they get that name

[grave temple]

slavs are one big genetic family but they dont all get along

[grave temple]

Solomon, the son of David built the Temple of Jerusalem

[formal scaffold]

you are claiming palestine was the home of jews even tho the jews were scattred in all of the arabic peninsula, back then remind you there was no borders, no countries, no palestine, there was tribes and families read history before making big claims

[grave temple]

He was the King of the Kingdom of Israel.

And he was an Israelite, the direct descendant of modern Jews.

yeah keep laughing

its documented and verified factual facts.

[grave temple]

No countries? No borders? You are legit going to the prehistoric times

This isn't big claims, these aren't even claims period. It's Facts.

[formal scaffold]

I call this being Ironic and hypocritical I'm really sleepy hope you find another person to talk to

[grave temple]

how is that ironic

[formal scaffold]

I hope you don't reach adam, or the monkeys bye

[grave temple]

Keep laughing. I believe Britannica more than your crazy ass

goodbye monkey

[formal scaffold]

solid argument calling me a monkey, such a respecfull fella

[grave temple]

Using the Laughing emoji, such a respecful fella.

Hyprocrite.

[formal scaffold]

🤣 = calling u monkey? bruh you are on another level I can't deal with you

[grave temple]

Thats really respectful of you. I thank you for your kindness.

[grave temple]

Yes this is respectful too.

You hope I don't reach God? Is that what you mean?

People like you who wish people harm, I can't do anything about it. But remember, God is always watching.

[nocturne dome]

mhm

this sounds

well

serious

[vagrant loom]

💀

[hollow jay]

Goodnight everyone

Who knows where I can get an online job to start immediately

[summer parcel]

uh trading stocks?

or crypto mining

[feral river]

again ?

[feral river]

I would say it's ridiculous because gaza is a constant threat to Israeli nation and Israel is occupying Palestinian land, It's not like if there is a draft called 2 State Solution will solve this problem, all they want is to eliminate each other, that's why war started.

It's funny if you think you have earlier occupied this region or you have occupied this region before so you assume this region is yours.

this region can literally belongs to anyone, but who has more power.

so be clear about the concept between claim and occupy.

if I want to make a claim, I just need a statement that made by me, but if I want to occupy, I need to follow the qualifications and paying cost for doing it, in this term the war is here to determine who has the qualification and how much they gonna pay economically and militarily, that's why I said war is the supreme court of humanity of civilization.

[brave bridge]

@violet peak what are the lightning bold roles about? like you have a blue one and Bow Tie has a red one?

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

what do you think about "our thoughts are based on feelings"

[brave bridge]

is it like how we behave on are life experiences, emotions, and taste (in people i mean)?

[formal scaffold]

Do you believe in free will?

[craggy sphinx]

why should I believe

[craggy sphinx]

yes, it shapes our behavior. But what we mean here is what comes first.

[humble lion]

Overthinker's ideology: theres no free will, im being controlled, i dont decide who i am, what i do, uwwwaaaaa

[craggy sphinx]

I don't know who thinks so. I don't care.

[formal scaffold]

Overdigesting stuff will make u delulu cause 1+1 will be a deliema fr u

[humble lion]

U think that way

[craggy sphinx]

lol

you have problems with perception.

[formal scaffold]

What's lol, what's language where am I? Who am I?

[formal scaffold]

I'm big with perception I just take a healthy sip that's all

[formal scaffold]

So what do you think about free will?

[craggy sphinx]

where?

[formal scaffold]

I swear if u say Why should i think xD

[craggy sphinx]

What does free will have to do with it?
or are you simply an example of direct absorption?

read the question more carefully.

[formal scaffold]

I will thx fr the advice lol

[craggy sphinx]

Stop fooling around.
that was the question

[formal scaffold]

You asked about what do we think about the effect of emotions on thoughts, i see it fit to ask how you percieve free will to approach it from an angle where you can see my thoughts about it and have more clarity since having free will or not alters my answer

The way I approach it*

[formal scaffold]

When u assumed i was fooling around was ig yr emotions?

[craggy sphinx]

I didn’t talk about the influence of emotions on thoughts.

I think that the theme of will in this case is not organic, because We are not talking about freedom of thought, we are talking about the particulars of this. (thoughts).

I hope that no more questions will arise regarding my question.

the basis on which it is based

[craggy sphinx]

you wrote not in the context of the topic. It seemed like you were fooling around and weren't serious.

[formal scaffold]

"Our thoughs are based on feelings" true

[craggy sphinx]

I apologize if I offended you

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[tall nova]

Hello guys

[thorny steeple]

In my book, everybody does believe in free will, whether they deny it or not.

[tall nova]

Hollo

[thorny steeple]

In my opinion, the relationship between both is bidirectional. Our emotions can influence our thoughts; yet our thoughts can shape our feelings.
For instance, I'm sad, therefore I might perceive the world in a more negative way, but at the same time if I perceive the world in a negative way I might become sad, and of course the same goes with happiness, anger etc...
Who comes first depends on what you choose, I believe you choose what affects the other.

[tall nova]

ok

[thorny steeple]

Hi, welcome my friend. 👋

[tall nova]

Uhm tnx

[thorny steeple]

How is it going?

[tall nova]

Am just here

[late otter]

Hello

Can somebody explain to me what "have weird BL" means?

[tall nova]

Wats that BL?

[late otter]

That's why I'm asking

[thorny steeple]

How is it going = How are you, or how is your life going. 😅

[tall nova]

And i said am just here. My life we thank Jah

[tall nova]

hmm

[tall nova]

@thorny steeple could u help, coz i dnt know

[thorny steeple]

Perhaps it means "Bad Luck", but I'm not sure.
Try asking the one who sent it or typed it.

[late otter]

@lusty zenith we need ur help

[late otter]

I heard this in tiktok video, I can send it to you in dm so you'll understand the context better

[thorny steeple]

Alright. 👍

[thorny steeple]

I'm not an expert in acronyms so I might fail to be of an assistance for you.
Maybe you can post it in #📚｜english-questions , and people there might be able to help you.

[tall nova]

well my google says BL is Boys love, so propably the person is having some weird boys love or something

[late otter]

Nahhh

Definitely not

[tall nova]

Alright well it means different things so i dnt know

Could be bad luck, boys love, bottom line or something

[craggy sphinx]

May be. but I looked into it and came to the conclusion that thoughts are not BASED on feelings.

but there are times when I can do something based on feelings.

[thorny steeple]

I agree, if you review my message you'll find that your statement is very similar to what I said. 🤝

[craggy sphinx]

why believe in free will?

[thorny steeple]

I think the question is erroneous, the correct question is "Why shouldn't we believe in free will". Free will is hardly wired in us, and it's been so for however long we inhabited earth. It's obvious given the justice systems of all societies, cultures, and civilizations, proving that people always believed you can be held accountable for your actions, thus having free will.

[craggy sphinx]

You can play with this however you like. but I don't see the point in "believing" in freedom.

What will this faith give me? maybe my faith is wrong?

For some people there is no freedom. they are limited.

will they be better off if they believe in free will?

I think no

[craggy sphinx]

I mean limited action, or even the right to freedom of speech.

[thorny steeple]

Now this one (question) presumes that free will is a mere blind faith with no certainty.
I believe free will is pretty much self-evident, we do know that we have free will.
The question's starting point is invalid, I don't have to doubt free will, unless I have a reason to, yet it's impossible to provide any reason to doubt the existence of free will.
Free will is an experience just like any other experience, what I usually assert is that we rely on our mutual experiences to communicate; i.e., if there were no mutual experiences between people, none of us would be able to express his thoughts or find a common ground for any discussion or communication. To prove it, try to explain to an inborn blind person, who completely lacks the ability to see either colors or lights (Not even the black color, nor darkness), the concept of colors or lights, it is confirmed impossible to do so as long as he have never experienced them, the same goes with any other experience.

That's why you can't simply rationalize free will, just like you can't possibly rationalize color.

By the way, it's important to note that my definition of free will in the context of my previous statement is the freedom of choice.

Meaning that there are already choices you have, which you can pick one of them.

[craggy sphinx]

By this logic, we can say that if I did not see a star explode, then I cannot imagine it or make an assumption about it.

so why should I believe it?

[craggy sphinx]

it also doesn't mean we can't talk about the stars.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I'd say the existence of free will is necessary for our existence. Without free will, all the justice systems collapse, leaving no reason to hold anyone accountable for any crime, as the assumption would be that they were compelled to commit it, and therefore no reason for any punishment as they were simply not free.

[craggy sphinx]

I don't have to have free will to exist. For example, I may be completely limited in actions or words.

[craggy sphinx]

at the same time I will exist.

[thorny steeple]

You can visualize it as an explosion from any previous vision experience (seeing an explosion happening), but you'll never be able to imagine it exactly like how it explodes in real life.
That's why people might be told about certain things, and they definitely have some pictures about them in their imagination, yet you find them (sometimes) chocked when they experience them for the first time.

[craggy sphinx]

yes, just like many inexplicable things on earth.

but that doesn't necessarily mean I can't do it.

[thorny steeple]

Exactly, so the inability to explain something doesn't necessitate the non-existence of it.