🧠｜serious-chat

[grave temple]

💀 then why were u fighting

arguing*

[manic juniper]

I wasn't, I just contested it and he changed his argument

[thorny steeple]

following specific religion is personal choice . but proving something can be done anytime

[sonic terrace]

Bro it's serious chat, if you want a more calm one, go to general

[manic juniper]

Do you think Arabs were ignorant despite living in the middle of countless great civilisations?

[grave temple]

Woah, come down broddie. No need to come at me.

[thorny steeple]

that's true

[grave temple]

Yes, serious chat is indeed for serious topic, but remain respectful.

[manic juniper]

Imagine sitting in class exactly in the middle and being surrounded by the best students, do you think information will not pass through you sooner or later? At least some of them

[sonic terrace]

bruv I'm not gonna eat you lol

[grave temple]

It doesn't mean you can talk and act as an animal.

[manic juniper]

Especially when Wikipedia says exactly what I thought, that Arabs kept texts of other civilisations

[thorny steeple]

information idk at that time but now can easily spread like fire

[grave temple]

Well all civilizations were ignorant one time or another

I think its unfair to target only one group of people only

[sonic terrace]

It does, [Quran 30:2-3]

[manic juniper]

They surely learned at least some of the things Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and Persians knew

[grave temple]

For the Western civilizations, it was the Middle or Dark Ages, for Asia it was the Century of Humiliation

[thorny steeple]

like what

[grave temple]

They did.

[manic juniper]

(30:2) The Romans have been defeated (30:3) in the neighbouring land;1 but after their defeat they shall gain victory in a few years.

Lol the fuck, I see no sea here

Dishonest as fuck

[grave temple]

It was the Arabs that kept most of the Roman and Greek artifats and were discovered by the europeans

during the middle ages

The Arabs were considered in the 1500s to be the most advanced civilization

[manic juniper]

Astronomy, architecture, smithing, stonemasonry

[grave temple]

The best in Mathematics, Science, Medicine, etc...

[thorny steeple]

ohh

[sonic terrace]

[030:002] Romans have been defeated,

[030:003] In the lowest land! But after being defeated they will emerge victorious,

https://www.answering-christianity.com/lowest_land_miracle.htm

It's not that complicated

[manic juniper]

"In the lowest land"

Mentions the sea

[sonic terrace]

You need to study to interpret quran, not translate

[manic juniper]

"It's interpreted differently"

[thorny steeple]

arab people don't even know that there is fuel inside their land there is one American came who told them about petrol in their lands

[manic juniper]

I knew it, predictable af

[sonic terrace]

Check it.

I don't know what's so hard in that

I already check what people send me

But nuh uh, gotta stay in the closet

[manic juniper]

Bro take your pills, seriously

It can be read in 100 different ways and you chose to pick one that isn't even accurate

[sonic terrace]

yeah you know better than people who studied arabic , religion , history , and interpretation

didn't even check it

[manic juniper]

Other translations I'm seeing say "nearby land"

I just checked

[sonic terrace]

Waste of time fr, gn

[manic juniper]

Retreating I see

[sonic terrace]

It's literally 5 am

I explained like a 28288272 times

And you didn't bother to answer

[sonic terrace]

At least Ellie answered some things

[manic juniper]

I answered, no translation I've seen says "lowest land"

You just made it up

[sonic terrace]

i Just read it from my quran

[manic juniper]

Most translations say "nearby land"

[sonic terrace]

I checked again.

[manic juniper]

There is no better translation than the clear Quran

[sonic terrace]

Yes, that's what's it saying

[manic juniper]

Who do I trust:
A. random Discord guy
B. doctor that studied classical Arabic

[sonic terrace]

Wait

[manic juniper]

"In a nearby territory"

[sonic terrace]

Which verses you're talking about??

Yep, it is there

[manic juniper]

The literal last ones you sent about the Romans' defeat

[sonic terrace]

i JUST READ IT 💀

[manic juniper]

I just posted the screenshot for everyone to see, there is "nearby territory" written, not "lowest land"

[sonic terrace]

I just gave you a link.

[manic juniper]

If anyone can point me to the words I'm missing from that screenshot they're free to do it

[sonic terrace]

But don't even click it, don't bother

[manic juniper]

From a Christian site, not the clear Quran

[sonic terrace]

"answering-christianity"

pft Nvm

No use.

[manic juniper]

Attempt your preaching elsewhere

[covert raptor]

What would your personality test look like? 🤣

[covert raptor]

Fair to say the dawah marathon is over. Take rest, may Allah bless you with energy

[sonic terrace]

somewhere with brains. Except those who actually discussed me

[sonic terrace]

🫂

[manic juniper]

I just sent the screenshot, but your argument is always the same. "It's interpreted differently" it gets tiring

Next you'll tell me it wasn't the Romans, but it was about Italians and the verse wasn't about a conflict but a pizza competition between Arabs and Italians

[sonic terrace]

Says the one who said "it's boring"

[covert raptor]

bro takes a shot of energy drink

[manic juniper]

Because it is, it's repetitive

[thorny steeple]

||the topic?||

[covert raptor]

lizzie lizzie lizard brain🦎

[thorny steeple]

anatomy

[sonic terrace]

Yes ma'am.

[sonic terrace]

Nuclear power

[thorny steeple]

interesting

[manic juniper]

Kaunas

[thorny steeple]

Kaunas, nuclear power, Lizzie brain

I'm out

[covert raptor]

arguing with islam and secular feminist ♻️
you won't sleep ever 🤣

[covert raptor]

So far, it was about imposing the scientific narrative over the religious texts.

[thorny steeple]

hm,yeh

u r quite right

[dawn owl]

Hi anytime here to practice English with me

[feral river]

how is that expensive ? I think mine's 5 USD per month and it's pretty expensive in VPN.

[main bison]

hey chinese friend

[feral river]

Hi sup

[main bison]

do u know why there are so many chinese in canada?

even the signs are in chinese there

[feral river]

yeah they migrated canada

canada is pretty prosperous, high income, stable society, it's a good place to achieve middle class dream

[trim lotus]

I have seen a vpn sell for 20 USD a month.

idk is it real.I think it's incredible.It's expensive more than what i used now.Maybe that's just false information to deceive some ppl who never used VPN.

Oh.It's my fault.I misremember it.it's 2.60 USD per year!

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

What do you think about this:
"All human social behavior can be explained through animal origin"

that is, through animal firmware

[whole beacon]

Human behavior flows from three main sources: desire, emotion, and knowledge
-plato-

[craggy sphinx]

hello, Nabi

hru?

[whole beacon]

Doing great buddy,
Hows u eisan, long time no see

[craggy sphinx]

Good. Yes, I need to come to this chat more often.
To be honest, I have long noticed a decrease in activity in this chat and its transformation into something other than a connection between participants.
It turned into mostly a waste of time. It's more like a holivar.

especially when political topics were discussed. I suggested creating a separate chat called "politics"

[steel summit]

Hello...I want a new friend from Australia and New Zealand. Please message me.

[whole beacon]

I don't usually come here often my self, but i used too! This chat is still my fav one.
Its running good and honestly it doesn't witness much trouble as the other chats.
And u know politics talk always brings the worst out of us, thou i'll pass u suggestion and we'll look at it.

[robust pilot]

Hello, my name is Eleanor, and I love doing English. But I have a few questions about this discord, so what do you guys do on this chat?

[feral river]

we talk our little secret in serious chat and if you say something offensive we will destroy you instantly. 🤣 (kidding)

[robust pilot]

Thank you, I'm excited to be here.

[sonic terrace]

I follow Islam because Islam solves every problem in our life, it's applicable in every situation, and I think it's the right religion because it's the fastest growing one
Talking about some scientific evidence in a religious scripture was just to show how rich this book is of information, but they decided that all of that was collected by a man who doesn't even know how to read or right, Allah's prayers and Peace be upon him
In the end I'd say, the definition of a Muslim is someone does good deeds and believes in one God only
That's what Abraham believed , and what the other prophets believed , Peace be upon them

[sonic terrace]

Seeing Nabil in chill mode makes the air near me feel calm

[craggy sphinx]

This server remains my refuge, my home.

[feral river]

It's good if you follow your religion, culture to find your life, but if you gonna enforce your idea from your own religion, culture and ideologies, that's called spreading influence

[vapid hare]

do you support secularism then?

[feral river]

First, I have freedom to support anything I want, and second, I don't think I'm supporting secularism.

[vapid hare]

ohh so freedom of religion?

[feral river]

nope that's my freedom, not your/someone's freedom, I will never support freedom of religion.

I just think it's good if you have your religion and something, that's actually your choices, not mine.

[sonic terrace]

I really don't like going to people and ask them to follow Islam
But if the topic was being discussed, then of course I'd say what I have and say why this religion is the right religion
After all , belief is not something i can enforce anyone on
"Let there be no compulsion in religion" [Qur'an 2:256]
Plus, unfortunately you know how corrupted our picture is in alot of people's mind , like ALOT, which i have to answer ,for example what me and my friend mely were talking about

[feral river]

I can comprehend you. Islam itself is not a bad thing it shouldn't be labeled as terrorism but you must know that religion is part of ideologies which means it can represent your stance, so it must be a conflict between other religion and ideologies just like capitalism vs communism.

that's actually not your fault.

[whole beacon]

sheeeeikh my dear friend.im so honored to give such an impression. always pleasure

[sonic terrace]

Habibi ya nabil🫂

[thorny steeple]

🫂

[manic juniper]

Is it, I thought other people were labeled as terrorists, not Muslims

I've never heard of an Albanian or a Bosniak being thought of as such

[feral river]

well you always can use any language/tone to justify anything you want.

it's not the point, the point is what will happen after you do this.

some will rise, killing a lot of people and going to final hell.

some will win, no matter how many terrible thing they do they are still living good and proud of their culture.

this is the reality.

[thorny steeple]

hell is empty because all the devils are here

[feral river]

true.

[thorny steeple]

-Shakespeare

[feral river]

"children cares wrong and right, adults cares interest and consequences."

[thorny steeple]

the children would become adults one day
endless circle,the society makes them like that

break their hearts, corrupt their minds

💔

[feral river]

anyways, hope you all have a good life ❤️

[thorny steeple]

but there is a good thing about it
sometimes the pain makes people mature from their childhood

[feral river]

survive in this world is the most appreciate thing.

[thorny steeple]

hm

[manic juniper]

[thorny steeple]

and others would hurt people cuz they got hurt
and they want everyone to feel the same pain that they had been through

i don't think it's the right thing to do

[feral river]

if they are human, I think it's a cautionary thing because if even they got hurt by someone why the next person is not you or your family.

[craggy sphinx]

[feral river]

that's what I'm thinking, but if I confirmed they can't do that, I hope one day they will out of darkness if they didn't do anything stupid.

[craggy sphinx]

@lavish finch hello Mr James Green. How are you? are you still doing live broadcasts?

[thorny steeple]

There can be reasons behind a person's being bad
1#First of all if a child grows up in a bad environment then that would make his prospective and whenever he thinks about anything,you would think the way he has seen when he was younger
2# This can happen even when grown in a very good environment
like if you have never gone through a lot have never truly felt how bad breaking someone's heart could be

and they break someone's heart without realising how bad/serious it can be

and so 3#4#5#…

[thorny steeple]

i found this long ago

[lean geode]

I've always wondered why Islamic extremist exists and have a belief that they're doing right by committing acts of terrorism, thinking it takes them to paradise when everyone reads the same Qu'ran scriptures

[feral river]

they actually have different interpretation about Qu'ran

[lean geode]

How? the Qu'ran hasn't been re-written?

I was under the impression based on conversation yesterday that everyone in Islam reads the same thing, surely they would still go to prayer and such, i don't get how they'd interpret it differently

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

you may get any information after reading this.

[feral river]

well I would say it's common throughout the human history.

and it will continue to happen.

[sonic terrace]

Some groups that, I won't mention the names of , performed several activities that made us look like shit
Some people have the name of "Muslim" but aren't related a bit to Islam, those people will be in the lowest part of hell along with Pharaoh

[sonic terrace]

if you're talking about the interpretation of the Qur'an, I'd say that Arabic is a rich language, one word can have several meanings , and i guess you already know that lol , so in order to interpret the Qur'an you need to study Arabic really good, even there's whole majors for studying that kind of things

[thorny steeple]

yup

@_@

[spiral berry]

Some people understand texts the way they want.

[lean geode]

But how can some people interpret holy scriptures in a way of destructive violence when that isn't even remotely recited? It's weird

[lean geode]

I see, interesting

[wary sun]

No one is either good or bad

[sonic terrace]

Ngl in the time i research this kind of things I'd find alot of false interpretations seen as scientific evidence, well yes there is a good number of those but some people be inventing random things bro 💀

[sonic terrace]

No one is born a villian

[spiral berry]

By looking at pieces of contexts, and neglecting the whole picture

In the Quran, there are verses that if looked at alone would be interpreted as "Fight the non-believers"

Or "Marry two, three, four"

These are easy criticism ideas, but also easy criticism refuting responses 🤣

[wary sun]

Impel down vibes

[lean geode]

I see, so you’d think it’s a result of bad education in essence?

[thorny steeple]

nothing is either good or bad
but thinking about it makes it seem so
-someone

[wary sun]

What about ppl marrying underage girls?

How is that seen in Islam

[sonic terrace]

Nope , some people seek views, so they interpret some verses in a false context

[wary sun]

Of course by people i mean 40 yo uncles marrying 16yo children

[sonic terrace]

About this,

[wary sun]

Thats a lot of writing

[sonic terrace]

Yes 😭

[thorny steeple]

@_@

[sonic terrace]

We should realize and put in mind that marriage back in the prophet days sometimes wasn't for sexual desires or love
Which means, as i know that the prophet Muhammad (Allah's prayers and peace be upon him) married some women just to take care of them, they'd be women with no one to look after them or their children
Now for the "marrying under age girls thing" marriage shouldn't be by force of course
So the (Allah's prayers and peace be upon him) did have Ayesha as a wife when she was a little girl, but didn't have that kind of activities with her until the age of sexual consent
Not by force , ofc
@d.ellie#0000

[silver vault]

Has anybody ever heard about the word 'grooming'?

[sonic terrace]

So from what i said, yes it is ok as long as the girl is ok with it
Ofc we know mostly won't agree with it , so that happens very rarely nowadays
Unfortunately, some parents force their little daughters into getting married at a very young age even tho they refuse , which is totally not acceptable

[wary sun]

And you think a 16 yo has the maturity and wants to marry a 40yo in general?

[silver vault]

Wait somebody answered this question from a muslim perspective here

@wary sun

[sonic terrace]

Nope, i doubt that this would happen nowadays, unless the girl is living with corrupted parents that'd enforce her, totally not acceptable in Islam!

[sonic terrace]

I see what you're saying brother
There's not a single hadith that states that Aysha either hated the prophet or felt uncomfortable with him

Which proves my point about Islam ordering not to enforce that on any girl

[wary sun]

[sonic terrace]

Like nesrine told you, aysha loved the prophet (Allah's prayers and peace be upon him)

[wary sun]

I can only laugh and cry at that statement.

Other than lust why do u marry a 16yo?

[silver vault]

She also said that Aisha was actually an adult, do you believe this?

[wary sun]

And don't misunderstand me i am against this in any religion not just islam

[sonic terrace]

As i said before, At that time marriage could be for other purposes

[wary sun]

I am against pedophiles like that

[silver vault]

Watch apologists justify their behaviors

[wary sun]

I am talking about today's society

[sonic terrace]

She lived with him when she was little
And what nesrine is talking about that he perform any sexual activities until a certain age, with her being ok with it

[wary sun]

How can u be ok with it? At 16 you dont understand consequences

[sonic terrace]

Time changed from 1400 years to now, legally, that can't happen nowadays

[wary sun]

Especially if she became pregnant like a woman's body changes so much during pregnancy

[wary sun]

Would you marry an underage girl?

What the book says is irrelevant as long as you have morals

[silver vault]

brother ew

[sonic terrace]

Abu Baker (one of the prophet's companions) was the father of Aysha
Abu Baker of course knows the prophet's characteristics and trusts aysha with him

As i said, there's no time where Aysha said she hated the prophet peace be upon him or felt abused by him or her father

Since people say that according to ahadith, that the prophet married her at a young age, they must've also read how Aysha loved Muhammad (Allah's prayers and peace be upon him)

[wary sun]

I really do not want to talk about the above people you mentioned as you might get offended by my opinion on him, i wonder what you as a person would do

[silver vault]

It still is prevalent, at least in india

The Muslim wedding age of consent in India is 16 because it's based on the personal law of the community

[sonic terrace]

People got the conclusion that the prophet married her at young age According to ahadith
Why didn't they get other conclusions out of it too? Like

1. Aysha never hated her husband
2. Aysha loved her husband
3. The prophet didn't do anything to Aysha until she reached the age of sexual consent , and without any enforcement
4. The prophet ordered Muslims several times to treat their wives with respect and that they have rights over men

[thorny steeple]

💀
That is so not lekker

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G19zcrkUTEI

being adult is consistent with biology in islam.

[thorny steeple]

what?

[formal scaffold]

you mature once you hit puberty

[sonic terrace]

"islam is preaching violence"

[thorny steeple]

this is one of the reasons i'm not religious

[formal scaffold]

bc you don't believe in biology?

[sonic terrace]

hey brother !
I'll ask you to scroll up and see my reply to this matter and how people corrupted the picture of it

[thorny steeple]

what?

[formal scaffold]

I do abide by social norms nowadays, but I don't believe in them, they are foolish
a guy who's two steps away from a state that acknowledges that the age of consent is 16 while being in a state in that enforced the age of 18 as an age of consent go around between both while being under two social norms, let alone if he decides to go to France (age of consent is 15 there), or better yet if he time travels 100 years ago

letting politicians who are well known to be corrupt controlling your morals while criticizing those who believe in biology make me believe more in Islam thanks

[whole beacon]

[thorny steeple]

i don't get it

[formal scaffold]

I can help you get it if you formulate a question

[thorny steeple]

What does biology have to do with religion?

[formal scaffold]

age of consent in Islam follows puberty

[thorny steeple]

so if you get puberty at 9 years old, you can drink alcohol?

[formal scaffold]

in fact you are not accountable for your actions until you hit puberty

[formal scaffold]

there's no alchool in Islam

[thorny steeple]

then, you can have sex?

legally?

[formal scaffold]

there's no sex outside marriage

[thorny steeple]

so, a 9 year old can get married?

if he hits puberty though

[formal scaffold]

Marriage yeah, but it's no applied nowadays by muslim bc they aren't enough muslims anymore

[whole beacon]

I mean no disrespect
What are u guys trying to reach , like the common point u both have ? Or believe in

[formal scaffold]

no disrespect taken, I just see it weird that people attack a man who lived centuries ago using todays norms, I mean polygamy and marrying minors was a thing for all people back then

even slavery was permitted

[thorny steeple]

Oh is this another islam do pedophilia argument again?

[formal scaffold]

look 0 iq, no argument just plain insults xD

pls give me someone who can articulate ideas

[thorny steeple]

No honestly, is this really another argument on this topic

[thorny steeple]

lol

[formal scaffold]

I didn't start that I've seen people mentioning it and as a muslim I have every right to defend my belief as I see fit

[thorny steeple]

fair enough, never really get the claims tbh

most muslims are normal people

[formal scaffold]

show your displeasing or disrespect to someone else bc I don't know you and didn't adress you

[wary sun]

Do you not have an opinion of your own?

I wasnt asking anything about the prophet

I just asked about your opinion what would you do that's all

[thorny steeple]

@formal scaffold do muslims only eat at night time?

[formal scaffold]

No

we are not aliens

[whole beacon]

I agree, i mean roman emperors used to marry their sisters , but the world call it the most influential empire ever to exist, regardless of some minor drawbacks. Yet they choose to defile a religion using unfathomable elements, such as "the prophet pedophilia case"
I get it , a i deemed unworthy of mention tbh.

[sonic terrace]

If something's is making sense, then i have nothing against it even in my opinion

[formal scaffold]

imaging mentioning the conditions to be a spartan warrior lol, that'd be trippy

[whole beacon]

Even thou Spartans killed babies and kids by throwing them off cliffs. Trippy indeed

[sonic terrace]

You said "I don't want to talk about those people as you might get offended"
If you brought the marriage thing from ahadith, then bring me something against the companions in the ahadith

[formal scaffold]

who's this on yr pfp?

[sonic terrace]

IShowSpeed

[formal scaffold]

it's in your Profile name I think

[whole beacon]

Random ai pic !
Lmao

[sonic terrace]

Yeah now let em go research "what shit did the companions do"

[formal scaffold]

heard of SORA?

[whole beacon]

Nah this is agustus

[sonic terrace]

nice

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXpdyAWLDas&pp=ygUHY29yYSBhaQ%3D%3D

[whole beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/octavian-caesar-augustus-smoke-caesar-everyday-gif-20829841

[whole beacon]

No i haven't! Wat is it?

[whole beacon]

Thnks

[formal scaffold]

Now AI can generat 3d realistic animation that are mind blowing

[whole beacon]

I literally saw the video thumbnail and i dismissed it. Guess u gave a reason to watch it

[slate cape]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-shocked-huh-fnaf-south-park-gif-1775592408159190479

[formal scaffold]

this would be a better thumbnail ig

[thorny steeple]

it is made by SORA

[formal scaffold]

Yeah

[whole beacon]

Holly shrimp,

Its good

[formal scaffold]

it's 3d artists nightmare, at least some of them think that lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anmuklFtu8U

[whole beacon]

And u will probably need a beast of a pc to run it

[formal scaffold]

I think so

[whole beacon]

Typical, we shall wait than

[formal scaffold]

😭

[sonic terrace]

Unreal Engine 5 Devs need a Quantum Computer 🧔💔

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/火力電廠-thermal-power-pland-smoke-power-plant-time-lapse-gif-17658071

My 2030 Pc

[slate cape]

nice GPU

[slate cape]

@formal scaffold i mean, Radeon Graphic

[lavish isle]

Why so serious

[thorny steeple]

why not?

[sonic terrace]

Hhahahahahaa

[frigid hearth]

Hi guys good evening anyone

[weary dune]

Good evening

wasup

[main bison]

Did u forget 9/11?

[hallow tendon]

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …"

and a "million" more

[main bison]

btw did u know that if u were a muslim and u quit islam u must be killed?

[hot bison]

Despite the peacefulness of sheeps. As more are added to a society they cause chaos. Society demands different roles.

[main bison]

that's what the mullahs say but don't worry im highly sure that no one really get killed for that in islamic countries
Except afghanstan

Islam himself got bigger by attacking other countries and forced them to believe in their islam
And all of you are saying is islam is all about peace? what a joke

Don't make me to say what happened when the muslims attacked my country

They destroyed everything

[thorny steeple]

Respectfully read the explanation and the context of that verse before you just recite it 🙏

[hallow tendon]

Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land. This ˹penalty˺ is a disgrace for them in this world, and they will suffer a tremendous punishment in the Hereafter.
— Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:33

As for male and female thieves, cut off their hands for what they have done—a deterrent from Allah. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.
— Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:38

As for female and male fornicators, give each of them one hundred lashes, and do not let pity for them make you lenient in ˹enforcing˺ the law of Allah, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a number of believers witness their punishment.
— Surah An-Nur 24:2

Those who accuse chaste women ˹of adultery˺ and fail to produce four witnesses, give them eighty lashes ˹each˺. And do not ever accept any testimony from them—for they are indeed the rebellious—
— Surah An-Nur 24:4[20]

and so on... If they (muslims) do not obey this they profane their faith, or they just understand that all these are just outdated forgery

[thorny steeple]

Verse 5:33 quoted above DOES NOT incite Terrorsim or Violence of any sort for the following reasons –

It is Quoted out of Context
The Punishment prescribed is perfectly justified once you know the crime.
The punishment is not linear. The nature of the scope of crime mentioned in the verse is not limited to a few specific named crimes but instead a wide range of crimes are inferred . The verse then mentions a set of punishments varying from a high to low severity proving again this point. Hence it is ignorant (or mischievous) to highlight only the severe punishments in a tone giving a false impression that “look this is the punishment for ALL crimes according to the Quran”.
The aim of Punishment is to achieve public security and peace for the community as well as the retribution for the criminal minority.

[thorny steeple]

Once again Please don't recite any verses out of the context without knowing the explanation of them🙏

[hallow tendon]

alright, but I want to say that those verses do not look like they need explanation - "eighty lashes", "hundred lashes", "cut off their hands"and so on.

it's called self-explanatory thing i guess.

[wary sun]

so ure telling me u as an adult are happy to date an underage girl

[formal pilot]

[sonic terrace]

No, and as i said before and I'll say it again, marriage back in THAT TIME wasn't always for some kind of activities

[wary sun]

okay thats all i asked really

what ppl did in the past is what they did in the past as long as you have good morals yourself that doesn't matter

[thorny steeple]

The injunction is to cut off one not both hands. There is consensus among jurists that in the event of the first theft the right hand should be cut off. This punishment has been laid down for theft alone. The Prophet (peace be on him) declared: “There is no cutting off of a hand for he who embezzles.’ (Abu Da’ud, ‘Hudud’, 14; Tirmidhi, ‘Hudud’, 18; Ibn Majah, ‘Hudud’, 36; Nasa’i, ‘Qat’ al-Sariq’, 13 – Ed.) This shows that the punishment prescribed for theft does not cover acts involving embezzlement and other dishonest practices. It is applicable only to acts involving the seizure, by stealth, of someone else’s property.

The Prophet (peace be on him) also instructed that the punishment of cutting off a hand should not be applied in cases where the value of the article stolen is less than that of a shield. In the time of the Prophet (peace be on him) according to a tradition from Ibn ‘Abbas, this was ten dirhams; according to a tradition from Ibn ‘Umar, it was three dirhams; according to a tradition from Anas b. Malik, it was five dirhams; and according to another tradition from A’ishah, it was a quarter of a dinar. Owing to this discrepancy, there is disagreement among jurists regarding the minimum value of the goods stolen which merits the punishment of cutting off a hand

[lean geode]

I do assume you believe that dating / marrying anyone who is under the age of 18 in GENERAL regardless of religion is a big nono

[sonic terrace]

I myself wouldn't marry someone younger than me
My argument is justifying the marriage of Aysha and how that wasn't by a bad intention or wasn't a bad thing

[thorny steeple]

Who thought that dating an underage would not be fine from the first place?
Culture differs from a place to another

[wary sun]

that shows that you yourself as a person that is a lot more educated than people used to be in the past have morals

[sonic terrace]

of course, at this time you wouldn't find this kinda thing accepted

[lean geode]

I mean ofc, in this time and era, that kind of thing should never be accepted

[wary sun]

because now we know a lot more about the problems this can create it's a lot more researched

[sonic terrace]

Especially that there's some really sick people around the world who would take advantage of that

[wary sun]

it is not fine

[thorny steeple]

Hey guys! 👋

[thorny steeple]

Why would it be fine to have s*x with a woman before you marry her?
She is not a toy nor a property, it may be fine in your place and culture
But it is definitely prohibited where I was raised

What's up?

[wary sun]

wait what? 😄

my point was f you didn't catch it that is morally wrong for a 40y old to marry a 16 yo

[thorny steeple]

Same thing 🙏😄

[hallow tendon]

Ok man, if you think so. Do not be angry. but - no "eighty lashes", "hundred lashes", "cut off their hands" etc = profane of the scripture. You cannot deny these things are outdated anyway, It's not a good sign for "the holy scripture" that must be always true, fresh and good.

[wary sun]

that was all i said not sure what u mean

[lean geode]

You know something that happened in recent times? With all the stuff around gender, there was a genuine movement to add "Clovergender" to be a genuine thing.

Clovergender is short for "Child Lover gender" and they basically excuse pedophelia by saying they are "children trapped in an adult body"

its mental

[wary sun]

honestlt this doesn't even have anything to do with religion

[thorny steeple]

Who said that it is morally wrong? Never heard of that in my culture 😕
See we humans have different cultures and beliefs
We don't have to be clones in order to satisfy your morals

[wary sun]

it happens everywhere so it wasn't targeted at you i wanted to hear how your religion sees this

[wary sun]

you are the definition of a red flag

[sonic terrace]

Bro wanna cook

[thorny steeple]

Ok according to you? Or your morals that is definitely different from anyone's else

[wary sun]

the whole world lol

if you as a 40yo want to sleep with a 16yo

[sonic terrace]

My morals are nothing to my prophet's, I found nothing that says that he did something morally wrong, proved by what i said before

[wary sun]

you should be in prison cause you are a pedophile

easy as that

[sonic terrace]

What in the actual fk bro💀

[lean geode]

no joke, it was REALLY weird.

[sonic terrace]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[thorny steeple]

And guess what I am free and no one gives a f where I live
Cuz simply it is fine culturally

[wary sun]

how many ppl do u groom from discorD?

[thorny steeple]

On the other hand if u were caught having s*x with a woman who is not ur wife
You are not only gonna end up in jail...

[thorny steeple]

I am underage lmao
Get ur things chill

[wary sun]

oh is ee

ure a child

[lean geode]

are u genuinely justifying pedophelia rn?

[sonic terrace]

@wary sun yes, people didn't have some of the morals we have today , so the age thing was kinds ignored back in the days
But what's important to us is that he wasn't a bad husband with her or abused her and she never hated him , quite the opposite, she loved him alot

[thorny steeple]

That respects differences unlike you ig

[sonic terrace]

Alr guys chillax

[sonic terrace]

Yea, islam is restricting the sexual activities to a certain age
but like i said people didn't really care that much about age at that time, so that kind of things would happen and it wasn't a big problem even for the little girl

[thorny steeple]

I see, the marriage of Aisha رضي الله عنها, I'll join when I'm back, my mom got seriously sick and I gotta take her to the hospital!

[lean geode]

I understand that back in the olden times it wasn't as much of a taboo. But you cannot sit here and tell me it's still an okay thing, just because it was okay then doesn't mean it is not overall fucked up.

[sonic terrace]

May Allah bless you and your mother, الله ييسر لك أخوي ويشفيها

[thorny steeple]

I am down to know who the hell all of the sudden decided that it is not okay
When it was literally okay back in old times
What have changed?

[formal pilot]

She'll be feeling healthy and strong again soon! 🤞 💜

[lean geode]

oh my god you are genuinely saying pedophelia should be okay?

holy fuck bro. im sorry but you are really fucked up in the head

that's genuinely disgusting of you

[thorny steeple]

I am asking you
Why is it not okay ?!

[lean geode]

Because its a fucking CHILD? they are not fully developed, their frontal lobes are not fully developed, they are a CHILD.

how the fuck else can i say that, im sorry bro but ur really fucked up

[sonic terrace]

Now ? Yes it is fucked up
Then? No, as long as he's treating her right
Nowadays age matters when society changed , so it's normal that you'll say to yourself "how was this situation ok!?"
Even i said the same thing, until i knew what i told you before

[lean geode]

I really hope that when you are older you leave kids alone. By your logic i can see you trying to date underage girls.

[sonic terrace]

🌹

[lean geode]

That's a normal response and i respect that for sure. I totally understand back in the day it was okay, but mr Basha here is justifying it even to todays standards and im sorry but that's severely fucked up

[thorny steeple]

What happens guys

[sonic terrace]

Scroll up.

lol

[thorny steeple]

Just I wanna say

A7a

[thorny steeple]

Why is not okay to have s*x with a lady who got her period like a year ago or two
She is ready physically and mentally that's why their body "matured up"
Haven't you ever thought why the body turns mature and undergoes extreme changes during 12-14 years old? Why wouldn't be in late 18 or 19 if it is really bad? IT IS YOUR CULTURE MAM

[lean geode]

Holy fucking shit. "Why is not okay to have sex with someone who got her period a year or two ago"

GO AND DO SOME RESEARCH ON HUMAN BIOLOGY

You are really fucked up in the head, when you grow older. Please, leave children alone. Don't work with kids, don't even have kids

[thorny steeple]

Read the whole thing damn

[lean geode]

You're justifying the standards for today. You're fucked.

[formal pilot]

Well it's not mentally or physically healthy

[strange coral]

genuinely asking a question here, is it common to do what you've just said in your country?

[lean geode]

I did and my response is you need to educate yourself on human biology because you do not have a fucking clue

Women are not mature after a year or two of period. Not even remotely close.

Educate yourself, you are saying really fucked shit

[hallow tendon]

... as for me if a man of 40 marries a woman of 16 - he is a bastard - because he is going to die much, much, much earlier than his wife. It is not fair and stupid.

[thorny steeple]

Why can't you debunk my claims instead of just arguing for the sake of arguing?! Weird

[lean geode]

And Basha is here asking why Pedophelia is not okay anymore. It blows my mind

[lean geode]

Okay you want me to debunk your claims? bear with me then.

[sonic terrace]

Nowadays, this kind of Marriages is really the most hurtful thing for a teenage, just like society changed, people also changed and aren't all that trustworthy to be given a teenage as a wife
@thorny steeple
So from the part where they're not that trustworthy to be left with them, it's better we avoid this kind of things nowadays
There is exceptions and some rare situations where a girl would do this and it'd be ok,
But it's TOO rare and nearly impossible

[thorny steeple]

Their Body says otherwise, Sorry

[lean geode]

@thorny steeple Statistically, women are not FULLY matured until age 32. This is fact, look it up.

The only time during a Woman's teenage years that they are PHYSICALLY developed is their HEIGHT at around age 15.

A woman's breasts are not fully developed until their early 20s.

Woman are not fully developed MENTALLY until age 25.

[sonic terrace]

and to prove my point:
@thorny steeple would you mind marrying a younger teenage if you were like 30?

[thorny steeple]

Yea it is extremely rare due to culture
My point is why is not okay in the first place according to biology?!

[lean geode]

So get your disgusting pedophile rhetoric out of here.

[thorny steeple]

Did all 30s and 20s woman disappear from the world to marry a teenage?
Let them finish their education

[formal scaffold]

May allah bless your mom and cure her

[lean geode]

@thorny steeple educate yourself on human biology and please stay away from children when you get older.

[sonic terrace]

According to biology it is, but we have to also care about how society's perspective of this nowadays, 20 yo women didn't disappear yet 😂

[sonic terrace]

So , we're good guys?

[thorny steeple]

Mind your own business you are not telling me what to do when I grow up
Please don't let a man have s*x with you without marriage 🙏

[formal scaffold]

No logic insults as always

[lean geode]

I cant wait to see you in prison for Pedophelia you sick bastard

[thorny steeple]

Biology says it is fine sorry

[formal scaffold]

I can't wait to see you in hell too ❤️

[lean geode]

You're telling me when puberty begins? What does this have to do with anything? Do you think it's okay to sleep with a girl when they've just had puberty?

[thorny steeple]

Don't force your culture to me

[lean geode]

You'll be there first for touching kids maet

[thorny steeple]

Exactly my point

[formal scaffold]

either you follow science and biology or your freaking politician, this social normes you are following didn't exist a 100 years ago, and aren't consistent between a region and another so bring some logic please

not empty insults

[lean geode]

Nothing more than a filthy disgusting individual. I really hope you don't reproduce and push this narrative onto a younger generation because your kids are gonna get into sexual acts with an older man and when they suffer the life-long consequences and trauma, that's your fault.

[sonic terrace]

brooo chillaaax
He's just saying it's not completely impossible
Let's say alot of humans disappeared from earth, and the ones you can marry the easiest are teenages , it's like a 1 on a 100000 possiblity guys so chiiilll

[lean geode]

Do your thing mate, if you think it's okay to date a 14 year old girl, you're disgusting

[formal scaffold]

Be respectfull and use logic or see yourself out if you are here to insult without providing proper arguments thanks

[thorny steeple]

You are obsessed with me
Are you pedo😂😂

[formal pilot]

Do you have any idea when girls reach physical maturity?? When the pelvis bone gets devloped completely

[lean geode]

Even if i was that would be okay in your mind, freak

[formal pilot]

Come on I'm here with logic

[formal scaffold]

if you think using todays norms that are dictated by politician than are you any better?

[thorny steeple]

Not with you creep

[wooden nest]

I guess this is too controversial topic even to serious chat

[quaint lantern]

ok but i think the point here its not just about puberty but the mentally of a girl with this age. do you think its ok a girl that is just starting her life to have s*x this early? i think there's more to live and know before this happens. im being genuine and thats my opinion

[thorny steeple]

Now get off of me close minded

[formal pilot]

It's ridiculous, people here are intellectually bankrupt

They don't even know about biology and talking shit like crazy

[formal scaffold]

well I don't think hitting puberty is the only thing that permits that but that's one of the things that are needed for marriage

[lean geode]

@quaint lantern I mentioned this here, facts are facts. That's not enough for them though.

[quaint lantern]

ok, it doesnt mean that the girl will get married at this age... and its not normal and older man to have interest in marrying a younger girl.

[formal scaffold]

I see no facts just insults

[lean geode]

Then put ur glasses on

[quaint lantern]

i mean... knowing this is so basic.

[formal scaffold]

too bad you don't know history most if not all your ancesstor were doing that before, times change

[lean geode]

Exactly that. Yet I'm literally watching people justify why it's okay to be a Pedo. I honestly can't believe this conversation

[formal pilot]

You're telling me they reach full maturity

[formal scaffold]

thank you I see some logica finally ❤️

[formal pilot]

Wow

[lean geode]

That's literally the same shit that i typed before

but you'll ignore that one ofc

[quaint lantern]

as you said, times change. the knowledge we have today has nothing to do with the knowledge we had 50 years ago.

[lean geode]

I'll even paste it again! :)

Statistically, women are not FULLY matured until age 32. This is fact, look it up.

The only time during a Woman's teenage years that they are PHYSICALLY developed is their HEIGHT at around age 15.

A woman's breasts are not fully developed until their early 20s.

Woman are not fully developed MENTALLY until age 25.

[formal pilot]

People here are intellectually bankrupt

They don't know biology

[formal scaffold]

Indeed

[lean geode]

Precisely that. What these people don't understand is we did not have the scientific knowledge on the human body or the brain back then, so OFCOURSE it was more accepted.

Yet someone like Skuggi and Basha will ignore that entirely and live by the old times.

[sonic terrace]

😂

[formal scaffold]

some History

[lean geode]

The history really doesn't matter. The knowledge of human biology matters.

[formal scaffold]

what matters most are you feelings

[lean geode]

Did they know back then the science of a womans and a mans hormones? how their brains function and develop?

[formal pilot]

You don't even know the discussion

[lean geode]

okay ur factually braindead this is crazy

[formal pilot]

It's about when girls get matured

[lean geode]

i never thought i'd ever see a dude justifying being a pedo

[formal pilot]

Back then it was common

[quaint lantern]

also, i noticed that i get the wrong quote, im sorry. but that's exactly it.

[formal scaffold]

oh no out of arguments, what to do? ah insults 🙂

[quaint lantern]

!!!!!!!

[sonic terrace]

I get you bro, it's ok and can happen , but nowadays you can't leave a teenage girl with a man unless you REALLY trust that man and know that he's a righteous man

[lean geode]

the facts of the science completely out-weigh your history.

Back then, the science did not exist.
Now these days, it does. We know how the body functions and how emotional maturity develops.

If you cannot grasp that idea, you'll go to prison one day, have fun

[sonic terrace]

Ok guys?

[formal scaffold]

they don't know that the same politician that created this laws created epstien xD

[lean geode]

what the fuck does that have to do with anything

[sonic terrace]

So chill please

[formal pilot]

I know my biology

[sonic terrace]

No need for all the insults and shit

[formal pilot]

I'm not politician

[sonic terrace]

Should we name it the children's chat! No need for that kind of words

[formal scaffold]

your biology didn't say anything that contradict mine, just your opinion

[lean geode]

JESUS

[lean geode]

THERE IS NO WAY UR USING CHATGPT AS UR SOURCE LMFAO

[formal scaffold]

Oh jesus, tell me in your bible what was the age of Joseph's wife according to you?

[sonic terrace]

Arguments aside, this is actually true

[thorny steeple]

AI is literally google you braindead lmao

Facts doesn't change

[lean geode]

Okay ur not even reading what anyone writes. im done with ur disgusting mindset

[formal pilot]

So you're telling me a girl of age 13 is completely matured??

[formal scaffold]

why should I read insults ?

[lean geode]

I can tell you are a young person, there's no way in hell you're an adult. You don't have the slightest idea

Grow up, be a better person

[quaint lantern]

but you clearly don't want to understand what we are saying. if you want arguments, then you need to be open to even try to understand what we are saying to u

[formal scaffold]

according to todays social norms no, according to logic and biology and history your grand grandma married at the age of 12

[sonic terrace]

IT IS POSSIBLE BUT NOT PREFERRED NOWADAYS

[lean geode]

See, that's the difference, I completely acknowledged that it was okay back then and understood their point, but ofcourse when i provide the science and counter, they get defensive.

[sonic terrace]

SHUT THE FK UP EVERYONE PLS (mwah mwah)

[quaint lantern]

his GRANDMA are from the 30s.

come on, we're in 2024.

[lean geode]

It's not a matter of preference dude. The science literally exists and backs up everything we have said. The history does NOT matter.

[formal scaffold]

Not really wanna hear that anime guy, he's just there to insult and doesn't bring anything to the table really

in fact next insut i'm going to mute him

[thorny steeple]

Never changed

[formal pilot]

According to biology??? Dude you're the reason power rangers say their colors

[lean geode]

I've given tons of constructive points and you've ignored and taken away everything I've said, so yeah I'll say ur a disgusting rotten-brained filth. Keep justifying pedophelia and see what happens to your future children when they suffer immeasurable trauma thanks to your education

[formal scaffold]

Ideal

[formal scaffold]

I'm dn with you bye

[formal pilot]

Yes please

[lean geode]

That's literally different. And a 20-25 year old is not underage, THANK YOU for backing up my point. Take the L

[lean geode]

please be done with me you kiddyfiddler freak

[formal pilot]

Thanks for proving us right

[formal scaffold]

didn't include you but my block list is big

[lean geode]

LITERALLY LMFAO

[formal scaffold]

and cozy

[thorny steeple]

Oh cmom now we all know they be wetting their pants until 18
They can't wait because it is their body!

[lean geode]

BRO THOUGHT HE COOKED AND HE PROVED US RIGHT

[quaint lantern]

TAKE THE L LOL

[formal pilot]

Cya mate

[wary sun]

add me to it please

[lean geode]

There is no way this guy posted that google search image thinking he did something 😭 my guy just fully proved us right

[quaint lantern]

LITERALLY

[formal pilot]

Common W

[formal scaffold]

well the thing is it's not mandatory to marry as soon as you are matured, but it is allowed, it's an option

it's like polygamy it's not common but it exists

[wary sun]

idk why yall fight with a kid

[sonic terrace]

I already proved my point guys, we're now talking about nowadays aren't we?
it is possible , and by possible i mean that it could happen (the husband is not considered a sinner in Islam, there's many reasons this would happen)
ANYWAYS , it's not seen as ok nowadays and very few men would actually accept to marry a younger girl

[formal scaffold]

Ideal doesn't mean it's dangerous or impossible to marry after puberty

[wary sun]

he stated earlier he is underage

[formal scaffold]

got you bro

[thorny steeple]

"Fully developed " they be having sex even before that
Tell them to wait until 20-25 because their organs haven't developed completely
Ignorant

[wary sun]

i dont think u can have a mature conversation with him

[sonic terrace]

It's just nearly impossible nowadays

[lean geode]

Bro take the L you lost this one. Your image you posted proved us right. You can leave now LMFAOOO

[sonic terrace]

PEOPLE AREN'T MARRYING 9 YO IN ARABIC COUNTRIES

So no need for all of this fr

[formal pilot]

Yes dude back then it was crazy.
we're talking about what's more healthier now with our current advancement in the field

[formal scaffold]

people have been doing that since the begging of time, they didn't have this bright idea till morallity fell in this last century?

[thorny steeple]

It didn't prove you right it is just your inmature mind is desperate to "win this"

[sonic terrace]

Yes , the husband wouldn't be considered a sinner , but of course there's better choices nowadays !
NOW IS THIS CLEAR ??@thorny steeple @formal scaffold @lean geode

Let's talk about Ronaldo and Messi or smth bro drop this topic

[formal pilot]

Let's talk about education, it's really important

[thorny steeple]

Not her wishing I can't have children and my bloodline end as of me
Does that look any mature to you? Ig she is right tho
Her mind isn't fully developed to discuss those topics yet

[quaint lantern]

in my country the law says its illegal to a guy be with a girl under 14 even he's 16, 17

[sonic terrace]

Why not!

[wraith dune]

Which country is it

[formal scaffold]

I love this convos helps me filter people who aren't good in conversing, either disrespectful, or down right emotional

[quaint lantern]

its in south america

[sonic terrace]

drop tf out of it

[formal pilot]

[formal scaffold]

in france and PH the age of consent is 15

[sonic terrace]

ofc it isn't legal

[quaint lantern]

yea like if hes not up to understang then let him being an ignorant. life will teach him what we are saying

[lean geode]

You're the child here. You're the immature one that does not have the capability to debate and understand basic human biology. Educate yourself, and I hope you have a good life, please do not interact with me anymore from this point forward

[formal pilot]

+1

[formal scaffold]

Immorals dectating morality lol

[quaint lantern]

pls lets drop this topic and talk abt something else

[sonic terrace]

I really want to reply to this

[lean geode]

Tbh I'm just not interacting or responding to these anymore, they can take the L as they please, we made our points, we can't get through to certain peoplle and that's fine

[wraith dune]

are ya from Colombia?

[quaint lantern]

nah

[sonic terrace]

But I'm a guy of my word, and i already said I'll drop it

[thorny steeple]

Eh and you please learn how to have a conversation with others you have shown me your "really good" morals tho
Ain't taking any advice from a mad "underdeveloped mind" girl, right?

Please💀

[quaint lantern]

im droping it also. if u want you can dm to do your reply

[sonic terrace]

Nah my head hurts from chatting in serious chat all day

Imma go troll some VCs

[wary sun]

Hf!

[lean geode]

valid

[formal pilot]

Dude why cardiac arrest is stonking??

Let's talk about this

[quaint lantern]

go get some water and food, maybe it helps

[quaint lantern]

wdym is stonking .

[lean geode]

sidenote, im glad you're able to see other sides of things too btw, thanks for that

[sonic terrace]

I knew it, i only go nuts when I'm hungry

[formal scaffold]

the world is better off with some firewood you know, It'd be more cozy with this kinda gentelmen ❤️

[sonic terrace]

Like a fkn animal

[formal pilot]

Nowadays it's really common in youth

[quaint lantern]

OH I SEE

u right, and thats kinda weird

lots of younger people dont mind their healthy

[formal pilot]

Is it something to do with depression or social media FOMO?

[lean geode]

I think most younger people are uneducated about healthy lifestyles tbh

[quaint lantern]

but idk if theres any reason besides this, like any kind of food or bad habit

[sonic terrace]

ty bro 🌹
I think that would have dropped faster if you guys were able to see eachother's points

[quaint lantern]

yea i agree

but i think thats because of the worlds lifestyle now

like

[lean geode]

Depression is a huge part of it too, the only problem is, these days Depression is seen as whatever since a lot of people self-diagnose mental illnesses

Also, mental illnesses these days are romanticised to such an extreme level, people will say they are depressed because it's considered an attractive trait with young people now

and that's really sad to see

[quaint lantern]

everyones just living their lifes and most people dont mind about other people's situation

[quaint lantern]

SIM

[formal pilot]

I've seen some physically healthy people who died of cardiac arrest

[lean geode]

Could be some underlying conditions or bad habits that aren't visible on the outside tbh

[quaint lantern]

its sad to see so many people just getting comfortable in their depression

[formal pilot]

I've seen hundreds of reels glorifying depression

[quaint lantern]

and not even trying to get help. ofc its not easy, but just getting comfortable and not wanting to try to be better cause of being in a bubble of mental illness its really sad

[formal pilot]

Well cardiac arrest is strange from heart attack

[hot bison]

Correct.

[formal pilot]

People with completely healthy heart can go under cardiac arrest

[quaint lantern]

these days theres a lot of people who want mental illness to be a trendy thing and like to self-diagnose. like "wooo i dont eat for a day and im sad everytime so i think im depressed"

[quaint lantern]

unfortunately this is a common thing to see

[lean geode]

turns out that Coronary Artery Disease is the biggest cause of sudden cardiac arrest, other things that lead to sudden CA are alcoholism and fibrosis, weird stuff

[quaint lantern]

but idk why is this happening with people today, its weird

but also we're in the "be productive" times

[lean geode]

Yeah, mental illnesses are romanticised, the whole "I can fix him" stuff. It's why this generation don't know how to love, because people get broken by other people constantly and that cycle continues due to the NEED for validation

[quaint lantern]

people do lots of things everyday til their bedtime hour comes

[quaint lantern]

YEA

[thorny steeple]

hello pookies

[formal pilot]

Yeah the node (Sa node) just stop supplying current to the heart and it just stop functioning

[lean geode]

super weird stuff

[lean geode]

ello

[thorny steeple]

Whatever kassy says I agree

[thorny steeple]

[lean geode]

[quaint lantern]

honestly i only have discord to study and tiktok (besides whatsapp) as social medias and im comfortable like that

[thorny steeple]

I am kassy number 1 fan

[formal pilot]

It's really sad

[thorny steeple]

You use discord to study?!!

[lean geode]

Same tbh, I have social medias but i rarely use them. Just discord, insta occasionally, but i never post or actively use, far more at peace

[thorny steeple]

I can not relate

[lean geode]

was just thinking this HAHAHA

[thorny steeple]

[quaint lantern]

cause nowadays people just expose their life trying to be perfect

[thorny steeple]

LMAO IKRRR

we using discord incorrectly

[quaint lantern]

yea lol . im studying rn since english its not my first language

[livid kettle]

I think depression caused by lack of activity

[thorny steeple]

AGREED

FACTS

LITERAL FACTS

[quaint lantern]

and im also studying programming so theres another server im in to take questions and learn with other people

[thorny steeple]

Ur so smart pookie

[livid kettle]

Old times ppl used to be active and productive,they either work outside or home
They don't spend most of their times on social media or games or sleepin..ect

[quaint lantern]

bro same

[livid kettle]

[thorny steeple]

U winning this debate pookie

[formal pilot]

Indeed but exceptions are everywhere

[livid kettle]

😭

[thorny steeple]

Mhm mhm ppl here yapping and u spitting facts

[lean geode]

Eh... i disagree...

[livid kettle]

Angie stop

[thorny steeple]

Understood

[lean geode]

Depression is a mental condition, it's a derivative from Trauma, no physical activity is a product of depression

[quaint lantern]

i dont think depression its just trauma also. i kinda agree with kassy

[thorny steeple]

All I know is that adhd, your can’t develop it you have to have in since a very young age idk maybe same thing for depression

[formal pilot]

Some brains are designed in a strange way, they can get depressed irrespective of trauma or physical activities

[thorny steeple]

I have adhd so I know

[lean geode]

Lack of physical activity can lead to feelings of depression, but it will not cause the actual condition, 100% not

[quaint lantern]

i think that if you just stay at home everyday you'll be overthinking all the time, and unfortunately maybe this can lead to depression since you'll be with no people around .. idk if im right like thats my opinion

[livid kettle]

Truue

[thorny steeple]

But that depends if your are enjoying that loneliness or not, like it depends on the person

[quaint lantern]

some people try to get out of home to do some activities to get better but most cant do it, they get in that vicious cycle of not being well and not wanting to go out

[livid kettle]

There r types of depression and scales not just "depression' it a wide word

[quaint lantern]

yea ofc, if you like theres nothing to worry about i guess

[formal pilot]

There's a study on mice behaviour
Basically when they were in group they Live far more healthier life

[hot bison]

Depression is the real deal. Specially for nations that are not prosperous.

[quaint lantern]

i like to be at home but theres sometimes i just want to be with other people just to idk interact with someone else

[livid kettle]

Saaame

[quaint lantern]

it says a lot about then

most people feel better when they're with other people, ofc theres a lot who dont like also and thats ok

[quaint lantern]

thats it!!!!!!!!!!!

[livid kettle]

Personally,i need a day alone at least once in a month
I mean completely alone

[quaint lantern]

each people feels the depression in different ways and that normal

[manic juniper]

There is seasonal depression

[livid kettle]

Lets not forget gender role

[quaint lantern]

it is a question?

[manic juniper]

No

[quaint lantern]

oh so yea i agree

in cold countries most

[hot bison]

Average extrovert

[livid kettle]

I'm not really an extrovert

[lean geode]

There's.. not.. there's mild, moderate or severe depression.. depression is not an umbrella term... I've gone through the entire diagnostic phase of depression and the science approves with that

[manic juniper]

It's very boring to live in a world that only looks black and white for months in a row

Sometimes it gets depressing

[quaint lantern]

since i live in a tropical country we have sun even in winter . so i dont think people get depressed by the cloudy days when everythings more darker

[manic juniper]

Cloudy days are very nice

I prefer rainy days to sunny ones even

[lean geode]

I agree man i love a cloudy day

[quaint lantern]

i like it also, winter is my fav season

[livid kettle]

I feel peace when' its raining

[manic juniper]

I do not like when it's dark for 3 months in a row

[quaint lantern]

today's really hot here that i cant even focus to study

[formal pilot]

Do you guys think depression can be helpful for deep thoughts or creative thinking??

[manic juniper]

Or everything is covered in snow and ice

[manic juniper]

Yes

[quaint lantern]

maybe?

[livid kettle]

I'm not sure but i think most creative people were in this phase

[manic juniper]

If you study Italian pretty much all their medieval authors used to have some form of depressive disorder

[livid kettle]

Listen
Most known writers were prisonned

[quaint lantern]

bro if my country had 3 months in a row darkness and cold i would be the happiest person

[manic juniper]

Why

[formal pilot]

All of my fav artist & scientists are either depressed or stoners

[quaint lantern]

its hot here even in winter bro

[manic juniper]

It's the opposite here during summer

It's always cold, and only gets a bit warm

[quaint lantern]

last year the cold winter days were like

[manic juniper]

Plus we lack bats, lizards and frogs to keep mosquitoes in check

[quaint lantern]

if winter is 3 months, the cold days were just 10-15 days

[manic juniper]

They are very few compared to other countries'

[lean geode]

my country is just

wet lmao

[quaint lantern]

i think its funny cause everyday its like 30-40° degrees and theres just ONE DAY that we get 10 degrees at night

[manic juniper]

This country is an open air frozen swamp

[quaint lantern]

LOL

but wet about humidity or it rains a lot?

[manic juniper]

My surname is even an old word for swamp dwellers

[livid kettle]

My prof says
Creativity ...i fogot the saying 🙂
But shortly' if u want creativity just prison someone and make them feel depressed'
I mean for literature,

[lean geode]

Rains a lot during autumn that's for sure, im in the UK

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-i-live-alone-my-swamp-me-nobody-else-gif-22217084

[formal pilot]

He's really into Russian litrature ig

[livid kettle]

Here its normal rainy in winter,sunny in summer

[quaint lantern]

bro im in brazil

[manic juniper]

It didn't turn out well for Hitler

[livid kettle]

Nah,british

He likes philosophy

[quaint lantern]

the rains are like storms or its just water that falls out of the sky to sightly leaves the floor wet?

[manic juniper]

I wonder what this Austrian painter will come up with once he gets out of prison in 5 years?

[livid kettle]

Omg

[quaint lantern]

in brazil we call this kind of rain "chuva que não molha" (rain that which does not wet anything)

[formal pilot]

Resolution for Palestine

[manic juniper]

UK is very consistently rainy in the sense that it always rains, but most of the times it isn't that bad

There are more rainy countries in Europe, but I don't think anywhere it rains as often as there

[quaint lantern]

do u guys have a favorite artist? singer, poet, idk

[formal pilot]

Government in my country is really great, they give us lakes during rainy season

[quaint lantern]

BRO

[manic juniper]

Two singers, Christian Alvestam and Christopher Lee

[quaint lantern]

ohh i dont know them

[manic juniper]

Dante Alighieri is also a nice poet and author

[manic juniper]

They're metal singers, one is dead

[quaint lantern]

.

oh .

[hot bison]

That was wild🔥😂

[manic juniper]

He was very old, and he started singing metal at 82 I believe

[formal pilot]

Wait whaaat

That's crazy

[manic juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/well-see-we-will-see-star-wars-count-dooku-gif-27220287

[thorny steeple]

@formal pilot @formal scaffold @sonic terrace
Thanks for your kind Dua' and Wishes. She got better Alhamdulillah. 🤍

[sonic terrace]

Alhamdulillah 🌹🌹🌹

[wary sun]

Do they take em back after

There is this lake in Denmark that disappears every 7 years or so

[fair condor]

i second that!!1

[worn bolt]

👀

[covert raptor]

Hi guys

What's the debate

[formal scaffold]

if you have absolute tolerance you'd let someone take everything from you including your life, tolerance should has a limit, balance in everything

[covert raptor]

I know gay Muslims though. I think they have different interpretations.

[formal scaffold]

Homosexuality isn't permissible in Islam for this reasons:

• sex outside of marriage is not permissible
• Marrying a person from the same gender is not permissible

[formal scaffold]

being gay and engaging in homosexuality are two diffrent things

[covert raptor]

So It's possible after marriage

[formal scaffold]

but marriage is impossible between the same gender

[covert raptor]

A lot of same sex marriages happening

[formal scaffold]

therefore it's impossible to have sexual relationship with a person from the same gender

[covert raptor]

wdym here

[formal scaffold]

in christianity not Islam

and god knows best

[covert raptor]

we had some stupid rules before which were not a allowing them to get married but we were slowly removing those rules and marriage is possible

[covert raptor]

you said it is impossible

[formal scaffold]

wym we?

[covert raptor]

first we allow them

it's all possible through allah

[formal scaffold]

That's your claim

an advice for you: there are two types of sin, sinning with god, and sinning on people,
sinning with god can be forgiven depending on the circumstances.
sinning on people, or causing people to sin, is something really serious, you'll bear their sins too.
so if you want to engage in homosexuality knowing well that it's against your religion but trying to make it permissible for you it's wrong.
but claiming it's permissible to people who might follow that claim, for me you are digging a deep grave that you can't get out of.

have a nice day, if u got other questions let me know

[thorny steeple]

'Cause Allah says so. Islam is not based some opinions etc... It's based on what Allah reveals.

[manic juniper]

Not religious most of the times

[covert raptor]

so help me understand here u say
same sex is allowed as long as they are not akhi tells me "engaging"

we can follow the path of sex before marriage and not engage in. this I will agree with you

[thorny steeple]

I noticed many people get the idea of interpretation wrong. Interpretation, in Arabic is "تأويل" which is driven from the word "يؤول" which means "comes down to" or "concludes", and it's the explanation for the public who might be ignorant of the meanings of certain things.
So interpretation is fundamentally an explanation which simplifies matters for people who don't know, it's not subject for anyone who is oblivious of Arabic, Qur'an, Fiqh etc...

[covert raptor]

Allah reveals right!
But people understand it differently is bc of different beliefs and intelligence u follow me

[formal scaffold]

sex outside of marriage is punishable by god.... A
marriage between two people from the same gender isn't considered marriage .... B
A+B= homosexuality is haram.
now if u wanna do haram it's on you

[covert raptor]

your point

[manic juniper]

I haven't heard of many same-sex religious marriages

[formal scaffold]

trying to interpret a verse according to your view, the intention already is corrupt fam

[manic juniper]

They're usually just on the civil side, or from non-mainstream religions

[covert raptor]

That's because of rules that prohibit them from marrying

[manic juniper]

Yes I realise

They will not change

[covert raptor]

I mean rules from the State. The religion is up to individual interpretation

[sonic lion]

Isn’t it stupid to marry if the religion despise your marriage

It’s better to not be married under that religion

[manic juniper]

Most homosexuals want to marry in the civil sense most of the times, they know that their practices aren't considered acceptable

[formal scaffold]

You have to know classical arabic not MDA

[sonic lion]

Oh it makes sense

[manic juniper]

There are differences between civil unions and full marriages, that's what homosexuals wish most of the times

[sonic lion]

Got it

[formal scaffold]

• laws of fiqh and Akida

[covert raptor]

where does it say Haram?
you said gay is okay without engaging. I'm saying based on ur ideas they can marry but not engage, have children through surrogacy

[formal scaffold]

is sex outside marriage Haram?
what are the conidtion for marriage?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah I responded to that just above your message.
The understanding of the religion is taken from the prophet [peace be upon him], the companions [May Allah be pleased with them], the Tab'een (people who follow them in generation), that's first.
Second, interpretation of Qur'an for example requires a serious deal of understanding of many different things, there is a whole discipline about interpretation called the science of Tafseer, so you don't wake up deciding I'll interpret this and that however I like, instead you follow the people of knowledge who gave you the correct understanding, other than that it's not called interpretation, it might be called altering the meaning or anything like that.

[covert raptor]

marriage is for partnership and support. yeah have multiple partners cause u can choose what's working and don't be dissatisfied with one person

[formal scaffold]

Being gay is something and pracing sex is another thing a lot of gay muslims who bears the ordeal they got, as any normal people who got other ordeals (being born blind, being born with a shortcoming)

[formal scaffold]

you didn't answer my questions

the conditions islamically for marriage?
and is sex outside marriage permissible?

just put two and two together don't include your emotions in questions

to find the truth

[covert raptor]

Not many people have access to those people. I don't believe Allah make things complicated.

God will help you with the interpretation directly

This thing about middle man. All comes into the territory of business and money

[covert raptor]

polygamy is allowed in Islam, yes

[formal scaffold]

that's your personal belief, witch goes against the book and the prophecies

[7:80] And We sent Lot as a Messenger: Remember that he said to his people, "Have you become so shameless that you commit such indecent acts as no one has committed before you in the world? [81] You gratify your lust with men instead of women: indeed you are a people who transgress the limits!" . . . [84] And We rained upon his people; then behold what happened in the end to the guilty ones!

[covert raptor]

our prophet had more than 10+ partners yeah that makes

[formal scaffold]

you are trying to run from the truth and looking for someone to affirm your false beliefs and I'm sorry but i can't be that person, I fear god most than anything

[thorny steeple]

islamqa
islamweb
Those websites are just two examples of tons of sources you can consult for Islamic teaching.
You have translated versions of the Qur'an (which is mostly a translation of the actual tafseer), you have Hadithes that are all translated in English, and so on.
It's hard for me to understand what you're talking about, people have access to everything they need.

[formal scaffold]

Surah an-Nisa'
If you fear you cannot act fairly towards the orphans—then marry the women you like—two, or three, or four. But if you fear you will not be fair, then one, or what you already have. That makes it more likely that you avoid bias.

now if you wanna talk about the prophet wives that's another topic and I don't see how all this correlate with homosexuality tbh you are just running from questions and logic

[formal scaffold]

all aside it's good that you are still holding into religion, life is temporary bro, the "hapiness" you seek isn't there that's what I believe, in the quest to enjoy what we aren't allowed to have, we lose and belittle the hapiness that comes from what we have, gratefullness is what create hapiness ❤️

[covert raptor]

Only the Arabic is valid. Other translations have mistakes and errors. I'm told Promoted them is basically shirk imo

[formal scaffold]

Are you from Egypt? can you read arabic?

[covert raptor]

You think English translation is accurate?

[formal scaffold]

Nope I agree with what you said

[thorny steeple]

O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. Should you disagree on anything, then refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you ˹truly˺ believe in Allah and the Last Day. This is the best and fairest resolution. [4:59]

But no! By your Lord, they will never be ˹true˺ believers until they accept you ˹O Prophet˺ as the judge in their disputes, and find no resistance within themselves against your decision and submit wholeheartedly. [4:56]

It is not for a believing man or woman—when Allah and His Messenger decree a matter—to have any other choice in that matter.1 Indeed, whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger has clearly gone ˹far˺ astray. [33:36]

All of the above and more that I haven't mentioned for conciseness are clear cuts that it's impermissible to whimsically interpret Allah's words.

[covert raptor]

He tells us to use western internet to find answers and some websites

[formal scaffold]

He didn't know you can speak arabic

[covert raptor]

Whether Arabic or not, this is not the right answer

Tell them to go read Arabic

[formal scaffold]

well if people can't read arabic what would they do?

[covert raptor]

Then learn yallah

[thorny steeple]

You have a misconception, only arabic Qur'an is the word of Allah and is holey, the translations are all mere explanations of what Allah says in different languages.
They are all valid, what you probably misunderstood or confused with this fact is the holiness of the arabic Qur'an as the only true word of Allah.

[formal scaffold]

it's not easy to learn Modern arabic, let alone learn quranic old arabic

[covert raptor]

this is cope

[formal scaffold]

okey why in fatiha we say الحمدُ with ضمة and ال?

[covert raptor]

if your point is learning Arabic is hard, and English is preferred. I think it's Haram message

[formal scaffold]

I asked a simple question, the first word in the quran

do you know the answer yes or no? with the or without the help of internet?

[thorny steeple]

Gotta go to sleep now.
See ya guys later. 👋

[formal scaffold]

peace out ❤️

[covert raptor]

ur telling me to consult with the arabic experts

?

[formal scaffold]

I'm asking you why didn't god say: إن الحمد لله or حمدا لله?

[covert raptor]

I don't know what you're trying to do. Ask God what happened to your translation

[formal scaffold]

In the quran I believe every word is picked up carefully if you believe so you would've answered that if u can't I can provide the source

[covert raptor]

The reason you're confused because you're going through the western sources

With all their different translation

[formal scaffold]

Not really

[covert raptor]

Stick with the right one that Allah revealed

[formal scaffold]

I'm not defending that point bc I use western resource, I'm saying western resource is something permissible but you are trying to say that in order for people to understand islam they need to learn arabic but the quran and islam is for all people from all bakgrounds

you didn't answer any of my questions directly

but I'm happy to answer any if you get

[covert raptor]

Is the shahada recited in English?

[formal scaffold]

in both languages

so that the reader knows what he's saying

you can't read the arabic one by itself since you won't know what you are saying

[covert raptor]

What Allah revealed directly has no mistakes. What comes later with English conglish translations is by humans,not allah

[formal scaffold]

I know, and agree, in prayer people pray in arabic if possible, but read in english if they want if they can't read in arabic

and also to understand it

[covert raptor]

Some murtad lied to you about using non Arabic translation. Make yourself correct

This is the problem

[formal scaffold]

you are not readin what I type :/

[covert raptor]

I don't blame you but this is what's happening

[formal scaffold]

further question send it on Dm's some people dislike seeing too much religion in this chat we don't want to melt their hearts

[sonic lion]

Thank you

Let’s change the subject now

[covert raptor]

You're defending borders right
The nation state is a right wing idea

remove all the borders, and humanity can live in peace and prosperity

[sonic lion]

What

I don’t even believe in peace and prosperity

[covert raptor]

@jovial radish

[sonic lion]

And I never defended borders

I just said North Korea needs to be a highly protected country otherwise it would be bombarded from every direction

[covert raptor]

You or someone else

[sonic lion]

That’s just reality

Socialists countries cannot exists without constantly being attacked

Because we have a dominant ideology

[gaunt bronze]

Oh I do not believe this will ever work!

[sonic lion]

Any realistic person don’t believe haha

[gaunt bronze]

I believe it's better to have an organised and coordinated society.

[covert raptor]

In a good way or bad?

[gaunt bronze]

Ofc there'll be controversy and what not: sacrifices.

However, the benefits outweigh the cons imo.

[covert raptor]

Yeah that's right wing philosophy, to have nations based on ethnicity and religion

[gaunt bronze]

Oh I joined late.

[covert raptor]

More wars and violence have caused due to this

[gaunt bronze]

A country should be based on common virtues, culture, etc.; it should be something common.

I guess it would depend because some countries unite because of culture, others because of religion, others, ethnicity, etc.

But then people end up moving to that country (but this is weird because my country is so diverse and there's not really a 'common' of one thing, besides maybe culture).

But even in my country it's hard to figure out what our national identity is.

[sonic lion]

That sounds like positivism

[covert raptor]

We can have that without borders

[gaunt bronze]

Oh I'm not sure, but I am not a person who likes scientism.

[covert raptor]

More divisions is a bad idea

[sonic lion]

Agreed

[gaunt bronze]

I would say that having no borders at all will create more division, than having at least some.

[sonic lion]

But we could only live without borders in a communist society tho

[gaunt bronze]

Borders should exist, but they should be fair borders.

[gaunt bronze]

Communism probably wouldn't even work then.

[sonic lion]

That’s interesting point

[gaunt bronze]

It'd be anarchism, but the thing is, anarchism always ends up having a leader.

And even if it's anarchism or communism, then the question of totalitarianism comes.

[covert raptor]

Borders exist when we think the other side is animals and sub human

Otherwise we'll let them in!

[gaunt bronze]

Oh, no. Borders can be a way to protect a person's culture, identity, etc. It's also general security.

It seems like the consideration of having no borders is kind of forgetting the instincts of humans.

[covert raptor]

Good argument by third Reich I mean

[sonic lion]

That’s not necessarily true. And communism and anarchism are the same thing basically, except communism passes through socialism

[sonic lion]

Protect culture? Elaborate

[gaunt bronze]

They wanted a world government. 😭 Didn't they?

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

[gaunt bronze]

Anarchism is no government at all; there is no order and it's even worse than communism imo (especially at large scales).

And anarchism always ends up having a leader. It just is an inherent part of anarchism.

Even if it's not for the whole area where there' anarchism but there'll be some sort of grouping or what have you, I think?

[sonic lion]

Yeah but with one kind of culture and people

[gaunt bronze]

That would make the world all the more poorer.

[sonic lion]

Anarchism is order itself tho

[gaunt bronze]

The very opposite.

In its name, in it of itself, it laughs bc it has anarchy in it.

The polar opposite of order, but to elaborate on what you asked me to,

Let's say we focus on just one country instead of the world.

[sonic lion]

That’s not true, anthropologist already analyses tons of communities who didn’t have a single leader, it was all cooperative

[gaunt bronze]

If it were to suddenly have no borders, then basically anyone could march freely, there would be no security, people would come in of all sorts of culture, backgrounds, etc.

So much so the people originally there will feel like they're being replaced, and their identity will probably vanish if there's absolutely no borders at all.

[gaunt bronze]

Sure, there's communities where there's a 'direct democracy.'

However, those were small groups, and often the elders had a bigger voice, or there were chiefs.

[sonic lion]

That’s the popular idea of anarchism but it’s order itself, it’s what every anarchist wants

[gaunt bronze]

That's what they want, but it's not true.

Anarchy doesn't have order, but usually order will come from it because it's just a deep depression from order.

Just look at its name, anarchism.

[feral river]

Anarchy may exist in some extreme geopolitical conditions, no external connection and conversation, no government, continuous chaos in the single region and no one can literally put anyone in power at that region etc. that’s impossible to achieve in current circumstances

I think if they want chaos just because they have nothing, but chaos will even deprive your life even you have nothing.

[onyx hazel]

American is a nation, that can be definied in a single word: Asssfhhhtlllmmnfff

[vapid hare]

classic joe biden moment

[feral river]

America! F* yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uPoDNEn3I0

[formal pilot]

Wth is a kilometre

[onyx hazel]

And now, global politics, in 30 seconds

[feral river]

Why is there no one talking about Russian-Ukraine war, Does Ukraine has no attention anymore ?🤣

[vapid hare]

global focus has shifted to the more recent war in Gaza lol

[covert raptor]

Not the current hot topic

Palestine is also fading away. Not much conversation happening

I think people are eagerly waiting for a new topic

[vapid hare]

WW3

[quartz oak]

I hope it never happens

[rare salmon]

the wars increases more frequently in these 1-2 years so i think ww3 is not so far away

[main bison]

Hey

[wary sun]

I mean is there a generation that didn't live dueing a war? I don't think humans learn

[rare salmon]

and will never

[wary sun]

We will always be like this where people think it's ok to kill each other i think we should just go extinct

So then at least animals can survive

In peace

[rare salmon]

but i never understand what's the reason of wars

[hot bison]

Who cares. As long as the people in charge care about them they are fine.

Palestine proved that international community is Bs. ICJ & ICC are bs. It's like a jungle.

All lies and propaganda to delude public's mind. The reality is that the one who are in charge rule. No the ones who elect them. Democracy is also bs btw.

[feral river]

Ukrainian now crying because America aids towards Israel 😭😭😭😭

[feral river]

America vetoed recent resolution of cease fire in Gaza, they exactly want Israel annex Gaza again.

[hot bison]

All this aid and yet they are unable to defeat hamas after genocide. Who could have thought.

[formal pilot]

[hot bison]

Will not happen. Conflicts always have oppositions. Gaddafi once said. The term "terror council". Rightfully so.

⅓ of his speech was nothing but pure righteousness

The rest was bs. But it was still funny to watch😂

[feral river]

Maybe, but I still didn’t see there is a chance that Hamas would defeat Israel forces

History is written by winner, who knows what is going on for next.

[rare salmon]

yup israel continuously winning the land so there is no chance for hamas to win

[hot bison]

Occupied palestine have nukes. The goal which I believe they have accomplished is to destabilize further investments in the occupied palestine.

[hot bison]

Population is a winning factor after all.

But once again. Truth won't be told to us. Not to common people.

[rare salmon]

umm from my pov population is not a winning factor

i mean more nukes and weapons can also be made in less populated country soo yeah

[hot bison]

Militarily it is.

[hot bison]

Yes. But the question is. Are they going to use them?

[rare salmon]

if they are gonna use them then ww3 is als onot so far away lol

[hot bison]

Isreal is deep in hell. Specially since they avoided international treaties in regards to biological weapons. Making them a primary target for middle eastern countries like Iran.

[feral river]

Well aren’t they have done a lot of projects for assimilation or eviction of Palestinian ?

[hot bison]

The benefit of the rich and less patriotic the youth are makes it hard to start one. Of course some people are waking up to the reality.

[hot bison]

Many ideas were implemented but didn't work properly. It's no surprise honestly.

[rare salmon]

but in today's world if ww3 happen then i think more than 70% of population will gonna be finished

[hot bison]

Who knows. Peace is great to have.

[formal scaffold]

peace for me is controlled conflict

[hot bison]

Please elaborate.

[formal scaffold]

• it's impossible for humans to live without physical conflict
• it's bad for humans to live without physical conflict

according to my own shitty vision ofc

[hot bison]

Conflict according to your vision means the actual fight or daily physical engagement?