🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

by the way, what does "afaik" mean?

[strange coral]

as far as I know

[thorny steeple]

mine neither
i know a little bit

enough though i think

[thorny steeple]

oh

it seemed to be an Arabic name

[strange coral]

yea I know just a bit about it, but I'm afraid to say it publicly here because it might do no good haha

[strange coral]

my name?

[thorny steeple]

"afaik"

[strange coral]

oh lmaooo

true, you can even write it in arabic, huh?

[thorny steeple]

I know how to read arabic

i don't know the word meanings though

i can just read (only with subscripts)

[strange coral]

cool, are you from middle eastern?

[thorny steeple]

nope

[strange coral]

I see...
me as well

[thorny steeple]

and your name is Feminine,if I'm not mistaken?

[strange coral]

not really

it is a made up name of mine which is apparently has a meaning in old saxon language

I have no idea whether it has a feminine side tho😭

[strange coral]

what about ur name? is it an abbreviation for something? if I may know

[thorny steeple]

It sounds like an Arabic feminine name tbh

[thorny steeple]

wiki sounds cute and it's pretty unique

that's why

my other online names are ,Khun, kenzo

Sometimes Xi

and so on

but none of them sound as unique and cute as "wiki"

[strange coral]

I never thought of it like that, it does have a meaning of "peace" in old saxon

[thorny steeple]

wiki = weird ignorant kangaroo idiot

[strange coral]

is it pronounced like regular wiki?

[thorny steeple]

oh

[thorny steeple]

yup

"we key"

[strange coral]

kenzo sounds like a japanese name..

[strange coral]

Xi on the other hand sounds like a chinese name

[strange coral]

I have to agree with this

[strange coral]

yepp

[strange coral]

alrighty such a nice introduction to you WiKi

[thorny steeple]

A friend had the name of a drug printed on the cover of his notebook
That was the name of a medicine
The name seemed cool,and so

i took a fancy of the name

[thorny steeple]

xi/xy

yup

[thorny steeple]

it's nice to meet you

pleasure is all mine

[strange coral]

well not me wondering what kind of drug it is, but kenzo is more than acceptable for a name

[thorny steeple]

idk either

¿?

[thorny steeple]

yup

[strange coral]

glad to know all of your alias hehe

[strange coral]

thanks! it's nice to meet you too!!

[strange coral]

mine also

[thorny steeple]

here is a cookie for you,mate

[strange coral]

hahaha I guess it's best to keep it like that then

[thorny steeple]

baii baii me go study now

[strange coral]

thankies, I'll gladly take it nom, nom

[thorny steeple]

yup sometimes it's better to not to know the answers

[thorny steeple]

another one for u

[strange coral]

baiii good luck with your study!

[thorny steeple]

i have more

I'm a cookie monster
i give cookies to cute and nice people

hehehe

[strange coral]

well, well, well. don't mind if I do much munchies

[strange coral]

lemme give you some back

[thorny steeple]

awww

return gift

[strange coral]

sharing is caring

[devout shale]

Alright answer this, serious chat: Do you think discovering you don't have free will would make you feel better or worse?

[feral river]

Well…. Isn’t that obvious we all having different degrees of freedom.

[devout shale]

I'm talking about literal free will in the phisical sense, if the universe is deterministic then all your choices would be predetermined

[feral river]

Can you give me some explain about physical sense of free ?

I literally don’t get it 😂

[devout shale]

Like everything that happens is based on a previous state of the system so you tipying that message is the result of a previous state which in turn is based on states going all way back to the big bang. You just being a spectator of this evolving process and don't have control on it, whatever you do is not you deciding it. That's deterministic definition in the physical sense

Viceversa having free will would mean having control

[feral river]

Well that’s the perspective of a specific philosophy explanation of the world, in that case I don’t think that’s really important to know you are free or not.

[devout shale]

Why not

Philosophic doesn't imply fictional

Video that inspired this question, very enjoyable https://youtu.be/wwSzpaTHyS8?si=OchKDWV-Akf168Yi

[feral river]

Well yes and philosophy also allows to questioning the theory, there is a lot of theory to explain how this world works but only few is useful which can be proven as truth.

[devout shale]

Ok but my question was about how the thought of no free will would make you feel, enslaved or relieved.

The second option is not so strange as it seems

[feral river]

Depends what degrees if it’s completely no free just like a slave, then free or death.

[devout shale]

Pure determinism allows no grade of freedom in that sense. Someone could argue that not having free will would take away from you the responsibility for your bad choices, question is, do you prefer living carelessly but not valuing choices or meaningfully but taking the burden of your mistakes?

But I guess you already answered to that

[thorny steeple]

man is born free but everywhere he's in chain

rules are made for a reason
Similarly it is why the Govt. is made for
Many people may have different opinions so they have to follow one to certain opinions to live together
people abide by rules otherwise they would get punished, that's how they let fear lead them
tbh i feel better cuz the rules won't let me hurt others and helps me to become a good person

[thorny steeple]

~~ nothing in this world is equal ~~

sadly

if you just think about a president of a country and a mentally ill person

the mentally ill person has more freedom than the president has
he can say whatever he wants nobody would ever care
but the president can't cuz he's abided by rules

(it's just like a paradox)

i only read about 3or 4 messages of ur whole conversation

too lazy to read the paragraphs

i can see a lot of people here who would become good paragraph writers in the future

[devout shale]

my argument went more into metaphysical stuff but your point is valid

[devout shale]

wdym by that

[finite basin]

Appreciated ☘️

[finite basin]

Oh yeah definitely, these are also called constructive criticism or positive feedback.
Usually, when ppl think abt the word (judgment) they think of the inner assumptions that are not spoken out loud, that's why we usually perceive this to be negative
But I get where you’re coming from🙌🏼

[main bison]

hey chinese mate

[clear shard]

new yeat song
https://open.spotify.com/intl-de/track/6A3HFNVcXxCgRGJ00ES1aK?si=2f1a471a75ca49d4

[feral river]

Hi!

Well….. I’m confused about your question, if you want to ask me about will I be carelessly living without valuing choice and be responsible for my actions, it’s complicated but hierarchically, valuing choice is not necessary for living, but you always be responsible for all of your actions and people wants to live.

So for me if you are asking that if I can live without valuing choices and be responsible, of course. But will it happy ? I doubted.

[echo blade]

why bilding called bilding but it already builds

[feral river]

I guess ? Maybe

[rich flame]

Hello

[main bison]

why can't i see so many active chinese here?
I mean look there are so many indians and they're as many as chinese but i just got to talk 2 chinese people chinese people

[wary sun]

What about trying to find people that speak chinese ona learn chinese server

[feral river]

Because most Chinese people have their own platform for chatting

Like WeChat, QQ etc.

They need VPN to access discord, and there is only few Chinese mastering English can talk with less barriers like me, most people using VPN for watching p0rn

[main bison]

hmmmmmmmmm.........................
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[warm berry]

G evening y'all! i've got a simple question on accents... i have this opportunity to develop a brittish accent, rather than an american one, through some phonetic studies. Is the brittish accent actually harder to understand? or is the american one more requested, like in companies?

[thorny steeple]

From my work experience neither really is "requested", both are fine as long as they aren't so strong that it affects your ability to communicate

[formal scaffold]

you are puting it out like some sort of ultimatum, there are other various English accent less common than those two, I personally learned a type of English that is somehow universal more than US or Uk, so I would say learn about the diffrences and come up with your own answer bc only you knows your own circumstances, or expose yourself to diffrent varients of english

[warm berry]

It wasn't my intention, i consider myself blessed just for growing up having more contact with the english language than people in my family, or around me. I live in a very small portion of my state so i have never talked to someone that actually speaks english actively 🥲 . although my accent is mixture of various ones that i assimilated; anyway sorry if it made you feel like i was attacking other sorts of accents just by putting these two. i also have to develop a more fast paced written, thought and spoken english. Ty guys for answering 😃 i also wanted to exercise my own english, by asking "simple" questions, have a good day!

[main bison]

Join team British

a bollowahe

[thorny steeple]

mine is more related to psychology and mental stuff

I'm just a mumbling fool.ignore me

[devout shale]

thats interesting subject too

[steel summit]

Hello everyone, I am a software engineer. I want a friend from US, UK, Canada. I want to learn English from him/her. Please dm me.

[formal scaffold]

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1029442771070754866 you can find them here also

[thorny steeple]

ik

[static pivot]

Welcome welcome, but this isn't an introduction channel. Pls post this in #📝｜introduction

[umbral ocean]

ohh sorry, a quick question: Why is this channel called "Serious"? What are we talking about here?

[thorny steeple]

"We discuss serious topics such as psychology,law, analysing of different thoughts,public opinions, and ~~politics, (sometimes)~~here. If someone has any problems or doesn't understand something, they come here to discuss it.

~~ mostly politics ~~

[trim lotus]

Maybe most of Chinese don't have channel to access vpn or it's expensive such as some students.Maybe they nerver wanted to use their money to get a VPN.eating somthing good will better than it.

[umbral ocean]

ohhh well, sound interesting. My level with English in not that high to express my opinion about complex matters, but I'll try my best.

[trim lotus]

me too.the most important is to express first i think

[umbral ocean]

totally agree with you.

[fast latch]

Hello 🙂

[wary sun]

I'll be honest with you. You don't need to speak perfect English to be understood so I am sure no one would have an issue as long as no bad language is being used. And you sort of debate instead of deny other people's opinion. I think using the language is the best way to learn it.

[umbral ocean]

you're right, I'll join to your discussions when I have something to say.

[thorny steeple]

What is altdentifier, it appears on my dm box just when i joined the servee

[jade dew]

it verifies your account

just a protector for the server

[thorny steeple]

İ didnt verify what should i do

[jade dew]

bir kaç dakika içinde unverified rolü alacaksın büyük ihtimalle.

now you have to verify yourself

[thorny steeple]

How

[jade dew]

click on the link they have sent you

[thorny steeple]

İ clicked but there is a red screen says there is no need for you to visit this page , as you are not undergoing verfication

[jade dew]

then it's okay

no need to verify anymore

you're already verified

[thorny steeple]

Ok i got the previous page

İs it ok , is it safe

[jade dew]

yes, safe

[thorny steeple]

İ am gonna do whatever they ask then

[jade dew]

yes sure

[thorny steeple]

So this why cant i see the introduction and generl chaneel etc

And I cant see all the members

[jade dew]

have you verified yet? can you see it now?

[thorny steeple]

Now i am gonna do it ow

Now

[jade dew]

alright

[thorny steeple]

İ havet seen it before

İ Joined the server twice and this is the third one

[jade dew]

the protector is new

in order to avoid side accounts and trolls

they are looking for new solutions

so that members and the server will be in peace

[thorny steeple]

İ see

Thanks

[jade dew]

you're welcome

[hot bison]

Bad policies. So they elevated the verification to the last one. Now the server will decrease in members.

[nocturne dome]

opinion?

[signal citrus]

Safeviler

Mystery

[hot bison]

The cake ruined it. It's a good concept.

[hot bison]

No. Pahlavi.

[jade dew]

too many reasons to add the altidentifier

[hot bison]

Wouldn't argue. Just giving an average discord member's perspective.

[jade dew]

gotcha

[hot bison]

Btw

Why would people want an alt account on here? This is a chill server.

[jade dew]

maybe we should ask them

[hot bison]

Not that I'm aware of the banning process. But in my view it's really chill and already doesn't encounter bad behavior.

[jade dew]

sometimes the chat can go chaos

[hot bison]

Well it's the chat. What is expected?

Most people have more free time to chat than to talk

[jade dew]

and vcs, because people have different opinions, they get triggered or offended all the time, in order to get revenge or whatever you call that they come with alts and try to seek attention

[hot bison]

True. It's a possibility.

[jade dew]

it cannot be helped, but having an extra protect is nice

this way is better

[hot bison]

Idk. As long as the moderators aren't childish fascists it's fine i guess.

[jade dew]

trust me you will like them once you get to know them

[hot bison]

Maybe. I barely come here

[jade dew]

come here often, have new friends

we are always here to help and talk

[hot bison]

Sure. If I have the time.

[jade dew]

[noble zephyr]

Hi guys

What is the discussion about?

Let‘s discus about some topics

[proven sleet]

I'M HERE

[covert raptor]

@pearl rain Your point is that Islam is not the religion of peace?

[pearl rain]

would be inaccurate to make a blanket statement about the feelings of an entire group of people for sure. Turkey is a diverse country with a wide range of beliefs and opinions, including varying attitudes towards religion.
However, it is true that there have been individuals and groups in Turkey who have expressed criticism or opposition towards certain aspects of Islam or religious influence in public life. It is crucial to understand that these views are often motivated by complex historical, political, and social factors.
for example Turkey's relationship history of secularization. After the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923, under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the country underwent a series of reforms aimed at modernizing and secularizing the state. These reforms included the separation of religion and state, the adoption of a secular legal system, and the promotion of a Western-oriented, secular identity. which also tolerated the any religious and other values.
but that is not actually the issue, after while a some groups who misinterpreted Mustafa kemal Atatürk ideal state and principles along with hatred toward religion. those groups, particularly who strongly support the principles of secularism with western mindset rejected any social or belief about Islam and begin to promote hate towards Islam.
it also created group of Turks who hate their history any kind history that related with islam. which you can not find anywhere in the world. I mean I can find Turk who hate Ottoman history 🙂 and reject that Ottoman history while celebrating Dardanelle war 1915. Which is Ottoman.
Like one of this idividuals who response mere base of islamic hate… and created inaccurate historical facts which presented by them to try proof their argument.
I wonder if you have any respect for what he did or not
Just see what he did for this country and educate yourself about the history

@void moon

[pearl rain]

I'm not saying that.

[covert raptor]

Seems like you wrote down your grievances long ago. So quick oof

[pearl rain]

I wrote half of it on general lol

So the girl pinged and said that we have to discuss it here

I've learned enough about Islam in Turkey, Iran and their people's beliefs and the current governments tho

So I've some ideas about it
I'm not saying I'm right or wrong
The guy seems so bigoted as he's making fun of things I've said and he was about to fight and pinging me for saying my reasons and when I rejected he was like you have no defense that's why LOL.

[jade dew]

omg too long to read💀

[pearl rain]

Just translate it to turkish

[jade dew]

thats even more complicated

[mossy wadi]

Nice

Ottman also spread islam in north africa

Futuhat

[pearl rain]

Lmao

I like Mustafa kemal Atatürk for what he did there

[covert raptor]

TLDR version

The original response suggests having respect for Atatürk's accomplishments in establishing Turkey while also educating oneself accurately about the country's complex history involving Islam. Making broad claims about all Turks hating Islam risks being overly simplistic about a complicated issue.

Hope this is right.This is like taking the middle ground.

[jade dew]

yee i got it

thanks

[pearl rain]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069397924234141737/1120455305281675314/8526555417308670348.mov?ex=65e633d1&is=65d3bed1&hm=685cea15dc179bfff9a1653deea701268a0918c1d7f9d5fd8f8d2f91a7085fa1&

W

[covert raptor]

Both of you are calling each other a bigot. Reminds me of the classic Spiderman meme 🤣

[pearl rain]

I'm not against Muslims and I'm not talking about all of them I was talking about those who hate Atatürk and have no idea about their history but Muslim
Ofc i think It destroyed the Turkish identity and culture but lucky there was Ataturk to bring the Turkish identity back to life.
Turks were converted to Islam because of the Arabs after the massacre in Talkan and curcan.
So in my opinion, the biggest enemy of the Turks and the Turkish identity weren't the Armenians, the Greeks, the Russians, the Chinese or the Serbs, it was the Islam somehow
I'm not against Islam or any another religion but these are all facts
around the 7th century the Arabs came from the Middle East spreading the Islam into Central Asia. The Arabs attacked and converted them to become Muslim, this is also known as the Talkan and curcan massacre, sources claim around 40.000 Turks were killed by Muslim Arabs. After that they were converted to become Muslim and they all are saying that they wanted the religion
Still I'm not saying Islam is bad or anything, you've chosen this religion and may it's helped you a lot in your life
I'm just talking about what I've learned about your history a little bit

[sharp zinc]

but lucky there was Ataturk to bring the Turkish identity back to life.
this is a total bullshit! "Historically!"

[pearl rain]

So what are you saying

@sonic terrace

#💭｜general message

[sonic terrace]

Yes?

[pearl rain]

Arab Muslims conquest of Iran,[2] was a major military campaign undertaken by the Rashidun Caliphate between 632 and 654. As part of the early Muslim conquests, which had begun under Muhammad in 622, it led to the fall of the Sasanian Empire and the eventual decline of Zoroastrianism, which had been predominant throughout Persia as the nation's official religion. The persecution of Zoroastrians by the early Muslims during and after this conflict prompted many of them to flee eastward to India, where they were granted refuge by various kings.

"They killed the men and got their wives and girls" like Ceheldukhtaran

By Wikipedia if you can't believe my words

Just because they didn't want to be Muslim so they attacked them

[sharp zinc]

don't ask me what am I saying... u mentioned HISTORY... so, read history and see how this garbage person brought turkey back to it's real identity@pearl rain

if I take time to answer " I'm eating"

[pearl rain]

What the fuck are you saying
Of course you're not a turk for saying these bullshits otherwise you're just a stupid person who's brainwashed

[sharp zinc]

lol suit yourself

[pearl rain]

@void moon

[sharp zinc]

and u're just fake empty headed person, trust me on that.. it's actually both of u.. u think u know something and yet u know shit

and history itself is the Judge here

see who're wrong and who's right

[sonic terrace]

"They killed the men"?
In those wars Muslims would be fighting the disbelievers who are fighting against them , not random people
It's a war, and other kingdoms weren't any "cuter" with people when conquering a land
both sides are fighting , but muslims would only fight the fighters , not selecting random people to kill

[sharp zinc]

tell me what is this VERSION of Turkish History that is actually the real history of it that this Ataturk brought the country back to according to what u say!

[pearl rain]

Ofc they're not but if we just look at the history we can see how they've ruined lots of cultures and languages I don't think you really care about this because of what you've said so talking to you is just wasting of time for sure

[sonic terrace]

Brother relax

[sharp zinc]

this is bullshit and again: HISTORICALLY

[sonic terrace]

They're called fighters

[manic juniper]

Yeah plenty of empires had that effect unfortunately

[sonic terrace]

Islam wasn't brutal like others were

Not just history says it, but also the Qur'an

"Let there be no compulsion in religion" [Qur'an 2:256]

As for the "enslaving women" thing,

[manic juniper]

Why would I trust propaganda right from its source lol

[sonic terrace]

Not raping women during war, taking a woman as a slave is ok, but doing certain activities with here happens only if she agreed on it

Welp, some people edited that to make Muslims look like people who enter a land, kill everyone , and rape innocent women

Hope that answers it, about the Rashidun Caliphate

[sharp zinc]

I'm not even turkish

[sonic terrace]

Why would you believe Wikipedia then when the media is owned by the enemies of Islam?

Mostly jews corrupting the picture of Islam

[pearl rain]

They attacked first tho
For making people Muslim , killed lots of people who couldn't accept this
And you're saying they just killed the fighters?

https://ar.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ضريح_تشهل_دختران_(دامغان)

Look at this, These girls just ran and killed themselves just because they didn't want to get rape by Muslim arabs as they killed their husbands and dads in their own country just for what?
For making them Muslim

[pearl rain]

True

[manic juniper]

Their scriptures came long before Islam's, even then, I don't trust their scriptures either so that's just whataboutism

[sharp zinc]

this person asking about if islam was fair with women... better ask a Female who recently reverted to Islam and ask her if she see Islam fair to her or not...

[pearl rain]

I'm not turk

Lol

Same

[manic juniper]

Nowhere I said I trust Wikipedia

[formal scaffold]

that's fair

but a person's experience is not enough to judge for me at least

[sonic terrace]

are we talking about the good old "hamas raped/killed women"? Bet
https://youtu.be/YjyQG4CTHRc?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/ZIMfc1y59mM?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/rD7NI0tGbp8?feature=shared

Islam isn't represented by a nationality, but some people seem to have hatred on arabs

rave?

[manic juniper]

Hostages are still hostages, it isn't really a good thing even if they were treated fairly lol

Why are we at the point where we are defending kidnappers and taking civilians as hostages

[sonic terrace]

It's the only way Hamas can pressure Netenyaho

[manic juniper]

Still a war crime

[sonic terrace]

Why are we at the point where we forgot how the Palestinians are being treated in the Israeli jails? While in fact they're arrested for nothing

[manic juniper]

? Who said that? Lol

Can you quote something that people actually said instead of creating new points out of thin air? What Israel is doing is also a crime, war crimes and crimes against humanity

[hot bison]

Time passes for some people it becomes normalized naturally.

[sonic terrace]

Well when you say that taking hostages -to pressure a government that's arresting innocent little children and women- is wrong,also say what's happening to the ither side

[pearl rain]

I've never said I hate you
Why would I hate someone who I don't know about him at all
Also I've so many turk friends as my best friend is turk as well
I've learned from them a lot they all have the same ideas which I've just talked about

[sonic terrace]

Lmao yeah go look for it

[manic juniper]

It doesn't change the fact that it's wrong and a war crime

[pearl rain]

For what they have done ofc

[sonic terrace]

Exactly, until Hamas started attacking, people was like "TeRroRists "

[pearl rain]

Not arabs tho

They don't hate arabs

[manic juniper]

When the other side does it it's bad, when my side does it it's good

[pearl rain]

@sonic terrace so are you still saying Islam is a religion of universalism, tolerance, peace, and reconciliation?

[hot bison]

This is why many countries have not signed the ICC statue. Because how western countries define terrorism. For their own benefits

[sonic terrace]

"After Hormuz's death, Khaled ordered to not kill the people"
According to Wikipedia

[covert raptor]

Yes, Islam is the most feminist religion

[sonic terrace]

So the prophet Muhammad 1400 years ago knew about the big bang?
"the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30).

[manic juniper]

How does this prove the big bang lmao

You're reading some quote from an old book and interpreting it as you see fit, if it was an actual revelation Arabs would've come up with the hypothesis long before other scientists did

"The earth" so other planets didn't exist?

[pearl rain]

Prophet was in those wars as well tho

[sonic terrace]

“the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder” [Qur'an 21:30]

alt here's Another verse
اَوَ لَمۡ یَرَ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡۤا اَنَّ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡارض کَانَتَا رَتۡقًا فَفَتَقۡنٰہُمَا ؕ وَ جَعَلۡنا مِنَ الۡمَآءِ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ حَیٍّ ؕ اَفَلَا یُؤۡمنوۡنَ

” Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass (ratqan), then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? ” [Qur'an 21:31]

[manic juniper]

"The earth" again no hint whatsoever that the universe had other solid masses in space

Interpretations interpretations interpretations

Living beings are carbon based, why didn't it say something else other than water? Why not reveal its chemical base?

[pearl rain]

يَا أَيُّهَا النَّبِيُّ حَرِّضِ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ عَلَى الْقِتَالِ ۚ إِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ عِشْرُونَ صَابِرُونَ يَغْلِبُوا مِائَتَيْنِ ۚ وَإِنْ يَكُنْ مِنْكُمْ مِائَةٌ يَغْلِبُوا أَلْفًا مِنَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِأَنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ

O Prophet! Urge on the faithful to fight: If there be twenty patient men among you, they shall overcome two hundred; and if there be a hundred of you, they shall overcome a thousand of the faithless, for they are a lot who do not understand.

Still you're saying Islam is a religion of universalism, tolerance, peace, and reconciliation?

[sonic terrace]

“When Joseph said to his father: ‘O my father! I have seen eleven planets and the Sun and Moon. I have seen them prostrate themselves to me.’ Said (the father): ‘My small son! Do not relate your dream to your brothers, lest they concoct a plan against you, for Satan is to man an avowed enemy.”
[Sûrah Yûsuf: 4-5]

[manic juniper]

A religion of peace whose main texts feature countless conflicts

[manic juniper]

Couldn't he see other satellites? Why only the Moon? Pluto isn't even a planet

[pearl rain]

وَاقْتُلُوهُمْ حَيْثُ ثَقِفْتُمُوهُمْ وَأَخْرِجوهُمْ مِنْ حَيْثُ أَخْرَجُوكُمْ ۚ وَالْفِتْنَةُ أشدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ ۚ وَلَا تُقَاتِلُوهُمْ عِنْد الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ حَتَّىٰ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِيه ۖ فَإِنْ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فَاقْتُلُوهُمْ ۗ كَذَٰلكَ جزَاءُ الْكَافِرِينَ

And kill them wherever you confront them, and expel them from where they expelled you, for persecution is graver than killing. But do not fight them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight you therein; but if they fight you, kill them; such is the requital of the faithless.

[sonic terrace]

“Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood, and of that clot We made an embryo; then We made out of that lump, bones, and clothed the bones with flesh. Then We developed another creation out of it. So blessed is God, the best of Creators” [Qur'an 23: 12-14]

[manic juniper]

There are 8 planets in the solar system, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune

[pearl rain]

There are more

[manic juniper]

Again, the embryo isn't born out of blood, he didn't know about ovuli and sperm cells lol, and embryology was already known since ancient times. People had abortions even in ancient America

Interpretations interpretations interpretations again, over and over and over

[sonic terrace]

Most people see these verses as the reason why Islam is NOT the religion of peace and it's all about killing people

"but if they fight you, kill them"

No verses where it's asking me to kill innocent people

[manic juniper]

You even had the courage to highlight "Eleven planets" 🤣

[sonic terrace]

Ancient times ? Proof? Or at least a time period?

[manic juniper]

As if that is correct or some sort of revelation

[sonic terrace]

you're conflicting yourself, didn't you say that it didn't mention other masses than earth?

Brother, Clearly you don't know what you're talking about!

[manic juniper]

Bro abortions aren't some sort of advanced technology or black magic
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/english/mexico-abortion-ancient-times/

[manic juniper]

Not conflicting, I'm trying to see both interpretations and THEY'RE BOTH WRONG lmao

One interpretation is universalist, and it's wrong because it didn't say how many planets there are out there. The other is solar only, and it's wrong as well

[pearl rain]

So you're saying a person who does not believe in Islam or the prophet is kafir and they’re innocent people so you've to kill them
As the aya said that too

[sonic terrace]

Didn't say abortions, i said smth about cells ? Or how the embryo is forming inside the womb? Like the Qur'an is describing?

[manic juniper]

If people could have abortions do you think they also weren't aware of how pregnancy worked more or less? Ancient people weren't dumb, Greeks studied that long before the Quran was written

The Quran is wrong too, the blood isn't at all what causes a woman to be pregnant, it's the egg cell

[sonic terrace]

Nope, if i go into Israel now and want to free Palestine, islam ABSOLUTELY won't allow me to kill any Civilians , although they're non muslims

[sonic terrace]

🤦
Brother, sperm came first in that verse!
“Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood”

It's really not the only thing in Qur'an my brother

[pearl rain]

But they did it to old persia and some another countries
Also there are lots of ayats which is saying Muslims should kill the kafirs and that's okay

[sonic terrace]

The same applies for any where,
a fact that you should probably know, we're not allowed to force Someone to it, he's free to believe in whatever he wants, and free to go to his own temples and worshipping places @pearl rain

[sonic terrace]

I told you before

[pearl rain]

And I told you as well
Do you believe in prophet?

[sonic terrace]

This

[pearl rain]

He was in those wars as well
Making and forcing people to be Muslim

Otherwise they would kill them

[sonic terrace]

He ordered his army to prevent from killing, basically ordered them to not kill anyone

[pearl rain]

And get their women or rape the girls

[pearl rain]

So what's history saying?

[sonic terrace]

Wikipedia says he ordered people to do as the book says , not me!
And Islam says I'm not allowed any sexual activities with my slave unless she agreed on it

[pearl rain]

Did you check the link from Wikipedia which I sent you

[manic juniper]

Deflecting the planet argument, and the egg cell isn't the same as the sperm cell. Why isn't the egg mentioned anywhere?

[sonic terrace]

Depends on where you're reading it from

[sonic terrace]

ofc

[manic juniper]

Also thanks for telling me the eleven planets thing on the Quran, more reasons to not trust anything written on there

[pearl rain]

You believe in books?
Or Wikipedia or whatever I can show you

[sonic terrace]

You are conflicting yourself mate , you said Qur'an didn't mention other than earth

[pearl rain]

Is that fr

Lmao

[manic juniper]

Again read what I said, I used two different interpretations none of which make sense. You can keep telling yourself that I'm conflicted just to feel better about your puny book, good luck with that

[hot bison]

The interpretation the west provides is matriarchy. Full of flaws. Everything requires correct regulation. A society requires correct regulation to function well.

[manic juniper]

@pearl rain yes

Eleven planets loool either there are only 3 planets outside the solar system, or there are 3 that we didn't notice up to this day. The interpretation is yours

[sonic terrace]

you lost the point mate, you lost the point

It's clearly saying that everything was one mass

[manic juniper]

Please take off that "fluent" role, you clearly can't comprehend what I'm texting

[sonic terrace]

A mass that opened up

[hybrid forum]

@thorny steeple

@sonic valve

[manic juniper]

"Clearly" the fuck is an heaven then?

[hybrid forum]

@static pivot

@smoky skiff

[pearl rain]

Why are you pinging them here

[hybrid forum]

where should i

idk which chat should be

[pearl rain]

If you want to report anyone
#🛂｜report-help

Just create a ticket

[hot bison]

I don't want to be rude. Random people talking about god's religion no study no research no expertise leads to nothing. You provide an statement and some follower tries defending it with his knowledge. So I believe you folks are wasting time.

[sonic terrace]

well I'd say you remove that fluent role as well

[covert raptor]

True. Most secular folks haven't read the first few pages of the Quran, but they have a lot more to say -- a lot more than the Quran itself.

[manic juniper]

https://www.britannica.com/topic/heaven

[covert raptor]

It's like a metal can with few coins that makes the most of the noise when shaken. Smhh

[manic juniper]

Point me to where heaven is if it exists and it was separated from the earth

Mister Muhammad couldn't answer about where the three other planets are, I wonder if he can tell me where the heavens are at this point

[sonic terrace]

You're missing the point again, the point where it's describing a mass being exploded/opened up

[jade dew]

in 2024 yr ppl still talks shit about islam lol

[manic juniper]

interpretations interpretations interpretations

Where are the 3 other planets? May I know?

[jade dew]

all islamaphobic kids coming here just to argue like they got nothing to do, shame.

[hot bison]

A cult might be the answer. I'm no better judge than the lord himself. But I believe in whatever he says without question. For I am his humble servant. But from my own logical perspective. I'd select a path of a conservative country Regardless of the of where they draw the line in that domain. I do not deny that certain individuals are better regardless of their sex in any matter. But even when they make laws. They prioritize public's interest. And I believe conservative countries prevail.

[sonic terrace]

sky mate, sky
translate it as a sky, but most importantly, don't miss the point
The explaination of that verse is that the universe was one mass and was opened up/ exploded

[manic juniper]

Explanation aka interpretation they didn't understand at all before

Plus still no acknowledgement about the 11 planets but ok

[sonic valve]

Yes?

[sonic terrace]

if those are haunting you so much, put in mind they aren't the only ones in there mate

[manic juniper]

?

[covert raptor]

When you mean cult, in the matriarchal context, would it be something like a witchcraft coven?

[hot bison]

Many ignorant fools are talkative in a matter they either don't understand or they know very little about. The more someone learns the more mature one becomes.

[sonic valve]

I don't know exactly what has happened, didn't read through all of it yet. but you should know to not attack people personally, if you guys can't have a civil discussion I advise to move on, come back a bit later, talk to other people etc. Hostilities here aren't tolerated. if any problem appears you can look for help in #🛂｜report-help and we will assist

[covert raptor]

They'll be making the loudest noises. Let's not listen to them and be distracted.

[hot bison]

I searched but couldn't understand your reference. But I believe yes. Something simular. Like the movies.

[sonic terrace]

The expansion of the Universe
Einstein’s equations tell us that the universe is expanding. This discovery surprised everyone.

For decades thereafter, scientists thought the universe exploded out of the Big Bang, and has been slowing down ever since. But they were wrong. The universe’s expansion has recently been speeding up. This mysterious re-expansion is driven by what we call dark energy. About 5 billion years ago, this mysterious anti-gravity began pushing the universe outwards once more.

The Holy Quran describes this perfectly:

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُون

“And We have built the heaven with might and We continue to expand it indeed.”

[Quran 51:48]
@manic juniper

Now he'll say "yEaH but what does heAvEns mean "

Heavens is another way of mentioning what's above you

The skies

The fkn visible universe

[manic juniper]

A fucking wall of text just to tell some outdated crap

I ain't readin' until you tell me where the 3 other planets are

[sonic terrace]

Wdym

[formal scaffold]

hey chill don't curse

[sonic terrace]

I doubt you read that

Does your 2 seconds attention span prevents you from reading it?

[sonic terrace]

He doesn't know what to answer, so he just swears

[covert raptor]

Hierarchies are clearly prohibited because that means there are people above you

[manic juniper]

No, I'm out of patience because you keep deflecting and ignoring the question

[formal scaffold]

just end it guys it's fruitless

just insulting each other won't bring any benefit to both

[hot bison]

I love people so much. If I wasn't an illiterate in terms of religion I wouldn't be afraid to defend it. But I did not invest in it as much as I did in my law degree with 4.6gap. Which is a shame in my opinion.

[manic juniper]

Yeah I'll, I can't even get any answers I'm asking for

[sonic terrace]

did you even read that?

[sonic terrace]

Bro nvm us , ignore him and me

[manic juniper]

I will not read anything because I didn't get an answer so no

[formal scaffold]

nah wouldn't ignore you both ❤️

[sonic terrace]

Ofc bro

[manic juniper]

Her*

[sonic terrace]

Oh

Sorry

[sonic terrace]

Heavens is what's above you, the skies, the universe

[sonic terrace]

🌹

[hot bison]

Can you tell me what is this picture please? I couldn't find it on the website

[sonic terrace]

If we assume some things are not mentioned, will that make you ignore the what's mentioned and how was it mentioned even before modern science?

[manic juniper]

That wasn't the question, I asked where the three other planets are

Enough is enough, I have better time to waste

[manic juniper]

Nowhere modern science says women get pregnant from blood and that there are 11 planets in the solar system

[sonic terrace]

A sperm** that goes through several stages

[covert raptor]

Guy can simply claim parthenogenesis is possible, and the solar system model is still incomplete. There maybe more planets that we haven't discovered yet.

[sonic terrace]

We must also realize that at the time the Qur’ân was reveled, the Arabic word used in the verse – kawkab –(planet in English) was used to refer to stars as well as to what we consider planets.

9 planets, the sun, and the moon

11 planets

[sonic terrace]

Qur'an is way ahead of science

[sonic terrace]

Did i say a joke ?@covert raptor

[covert raptor]

Nah you're good. My mistake for thinking about the Sun as a planet.

[sonic terrace]

If you see this annoying to read , i can explain it in smaller blocks

[hot bison]

This shit annoys me too. Idk why it gives you a mental pulse on discord.

[sonic terrace]

Planet (kawkab) in arabic
We must also realize that at the time the Qur’ân was reveled, the Arabic word used in the verse – kawkab – was used to refer to stars as well as to what we consider planets.

But when the verse was translated it became "planet"

basically, The sun and the moon are counted

does that answers you sister? @manic juniper

[covert raptor]

I don't have a dog in the fight but I'm thinking there are millions of stars in the sky.

Why is that not counted as planets? 🤔

[sonic terrace]

Indeed there is

[sonic terrace]

Those also would be considered "kawakeb"
But the mentioned ones are the ones the nearest, the solar system

[manic juniper]

8, Pluto isn't a planet

[keen bay]

how would pluto think......

it's always "pluto isn't a planet" and not "how is pluto doing"

[manic juniper]

There are satellites bigger than the Moon, I don't get why anyone would mention the Moon but not those

[manic juniper]

He's doing fine, we live together

[sonic terrace]

@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

It still doesn't apply to anything

[sonic terrace]

those big masses back in those days were called "kawakeb" by people which was translated to "planet"

[manic juniper]

I don't get why some people are obsessed with their religion and having it be the end of all things

[sonic terrace]

So it came like that in the Qur'an for the people to understand it

Explained now?

I'm legit wasting time here

[hot bison]

For context I meant the emoji not you 😂😂 @covert raptor . It was nice talking you you. Have a great time.

[sonic terrace]

I'm wasting time in here fr

[covert raptor]

Good day sir.

[covert raptor]

You're becoming a scholar. Keep going 😂

[hot bison]

Why Noone discuss law. Culture. Geography ect.... I mean sure it's discord.... but this server is a good server it deserves better. Rather than some nonsense discussion

[sonic terrace]

I'm not sure whether you're being sarcastic or what

[manic juniper]

You explained how it makes no sense in the context you've just told, it's about his 11 siblings from what I've read. Nothing to do with space

[covert raptor]

I mean, also doing dawah is not wasting time. It is actually making your time useful.

[hot bison]

You may be right.

[sonic terrace]

🫵

[sonic terrace]

The 11 planets that yusuf (peace be upon him) saw are in his dream
And his father Jacob(Yaaqub peace be upon him) interpreted his dream that those 11 planets are his siblings
Although as i just said, those 11 masses exist , this may be proven wrong in the future , if that happens, then the Qur'an wasn't wrong, but misinterpreted
And science itself might be wrong about it

Of course this is not the only thing

[north wedge]

Common L from sheikh

[manic juniper]

Then why did you claim it was a scientific revelation? Maybe first read your book before completely making up stuff

[sonic terrace]

You would have knew that if you read what i sent

[sonic terrace]

I didn't make up stuff, those 11 masses are there

[hot bison]

Wasn't this chromosome related?

[north wedge]

No according to him, it's gender related

[manic juniper]

What about the other satellites bigger than the moon? Lol

[sonic terrace]

And you still didn't even read what i said before about the universe expansion

[silver vault]

If X is feminine and Y is masculine, how do they make up a male gender?🤔

[north wedge]

idk man, ask him

[hot bison]

He might as well solidify his idea even more

[sonic terrace]

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ

“And We have built the heaven with might and We continue to expand it indeed.” [Quran 51:48]

[manic juniper]

Because I spoke to plenty of Muslims that keep repeating these point. It's honestly boring and nothing new

[sonic terrace]

The expansion of the universe

[manic juniper]

Again stuff that is up to interpretation rather than being clear

[sonic terrace]

Countless evidences , yet he's saying "read your book first"

[manic juniper]

Science isn't up to interpretation

[wary sun]

what is the difference between harry potter and the quran/bible?

[hot bison]

What is the difference between you and cabinet?

[silver vault]

He'll just end up embarrassing himself even more

[sonic terrace]

What's the difference between you and a clown?

[silver vault]

What a nice way to derail the convo and pivot from the actual question

[wary sun]

i love how yall just make it personal when there are no arguments

[sonic terrace]

Filler messages again

[hot bison]

I Apologies if you have found my question personal. You asked a nonsense disrespectful question. And I replied with a nonsense question.

[wary sun]

it's not a disrespectful question. yall dont know how to debate you just attack the person

[sonic terrace]

I love how y'all say that after literally making fun of two religions at once @wary sun

[wary sun]

you don't have to apologise

[hot bison]

Tell me about it. Internet is a wonderful place.

[sonic terrace]

Don't you apologize , she should apologize for both Christians and Muslims

[hot bison]

Comparison between god's words and man made magic is disrespectful.

[wary sun]

it'sa the same to me who are you to judge me

[sonic terrace]

You're ignoring what's clear

[lean geode]

I'm not sure why it's disrespectful? Both can be considered fiction, I think it's a valid question tbh

[sonic terrace]

You're a clown and what you said proves it

[wary sun]

a book written by a human

bruv im not gonnadiscuss something with you since all u do is offend people

u have 0 arguments

[manic juniper]

Weird cope

[lean geode]

Both the Bible and other novels are books written by human hands and mind with multiple variations. They're extremely similar, what's exactly the difference?

[sonic terrace]

How the fk can a human know Embryology, physicis, biology a 1400 years ago?!!??

[silver vault]

You're so funny

[hot bison]

I don't want to be rude. But I also expect people to be respectful and thoughtful.

[sonic terrace]

The verse is CLEARLY describing the expansion of the universe

[wary sun]

i said nothing bad about you

[manic juniper]

"Clearly" proceeds to use mythological terms

[lean geode]

you understand the earliest known study of Sciences, astronomy and physics was in around 2000 BC?....

[sonic terrace]

She's a clown

[wary sun]

thats all bruv said l;mao

[manic juniper]

Some people truly believe that humans weren't using any science whatsoever in ancient times and that modern standards exist disconnected from our ancestors

[formal scaffold]

more than 77% of people are relegious btw

[wary sun]

i think foot lenght should be proportional with body height

[manic juniper]

Yes, I am too

[hot bison]

Prior to this comment you have made a disrespectful statement in a form of a question towards a community. And now you criticize him. hypocritical.
Even if you didn't mean it be more thoughtful.

[sonic terrace]

What Lies Beneath Mountains
Mountains are among the grandest features of Earth’s landscapes. What lies beneath their surface has been an impenetrable mystery until the invention of modern technology. The Quran however gave us guidance on this over a millennium ago:

اَلَمۡ نَجۡعَلِ الۡاَرۡضَ مِهدًا ۙ﴿۷﴾ وَّ الۡجِبَالَ اَوۡتَادًا ﴿۪ۙ۸﴾

“Have We not made the earth a bed, And the mountains as pegs?”

Holy Qur’an 78:7-8

Here mountains, Al-Jibāl, are described as pegs. The word awtādan means roots, or pegs. Astoundingly, modern geology has discovered that mountains project deep roots into the Earth’s crust. One geology textbook tells us:

“Beneath a mountain range, where the crust is thickest, a deep root projects into the mantle and provides buoyancy.” Understanding Earth, Grotzinger & Jordan, pg. 630 (2014).

Not only this, but an even more astounding declaration is made in the Quran:

وَ تَرَی الۡجِبَالَ تَحۡسَبُهَا جَامِدَۃً وَّ هِیَ تَمُرُّ مَرَّ السَّحَابِ ؕ صُنۡعَ اللهِ الَّذِی أَتۡقَنَ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ ؕ اِنَّهُ خَبِیۡرٌ بما تَفعلُوۡنَ ﴿۸۹﴾

“The mountains that you see, you think they are stationary while they are constantly floating like the floating of clouds. Such is the work of Allah Who made everything firm and strong. ” Holy Quran 27:89

Here, the Quran tells us that visible mountains appear stationary while in reality they float like clouds. There are only two ways in which this can be true: either the entire Earth is rotating, causing the mountains to float in space, or mountain ranges are somehow floating on top of the Earth.

Incredibly, both are true! The Earth is indeed rotating. Not only this, but mountain ranges float on top of the Earth’s crust:

“… as a mountain range forms, it slowly sinks under the force of gravity, and the continental crust bends downward. When enough of a root bulges into the mantle to provide buoyancy, the mountain range floats.” Understanding Earth, Grotzinger & Jordan, pg. 630 (2014).

[lean geode]

And some people truly believe there is no God that created everything. Religious people use a non-evidential source for their beliefs whereas something like that does have sources of evidence which goes back generations. There's tons of studies about it online.

[silver vault]

😞

[lean geode]

Every single one of your replies has been an attack of character, I think you're the one showing that you don't have a genuine or logical answer to her questions.

[wary sun]

I commented on a book not on him as a person. I believe that religion is built to mass control the population. I think you should use your morals to make decisions in life and not a book.

[lean geode]

If you cannot answer it, simple as that.,

[hot bison]

True. But they way she compiled her sentences is ominous.

[sonic terrace]

2000 BCE they also studied what lies beneath the mountains, didn't they? @lean geode

[wary sun]

I don't swear back at him due to my morals not because i will go to hell

[lean geode]

You don't have the answer, regardless of how YOU took the question, it's question.

[formal scaffold]

you don't need clear proofs for islam it goes against the fact that life is a test of belief and test of ethics

that would be contradictory

[sonic terrace]

I send explainations, and they send jokes

[formal scaffold]

you just need clear signes

[lean geode]

YOU don't need clear proof, I do.

[wooden nest]

When the subject is religion people don't really a conversation about it. they just fight.

[formal scaffold]

you don't in Islam

[lean geode]

YOU don't need proof because you're raised to follow a specific pathway otherwise "you will not go to paradise"

[formal scaffold]

it goes against the definition of islam

[hot bison]

Overrated. Boooo

[sonic terrace]

@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

Bro stop, you're still not over it

[sonic terrace]

I'm sending proofs, explainations, verses, and scientific resources
You, are just joking arounf

[wary sun]

indeed but i think that's them as a person stuck in their own ways refuding to understand people have different opinions about stuff

[formal scaffold]

I'm sure you know that science has it own field of study and trying to applying it on everything is foolish

[hot bison]

If you offend a certain community are you their representative?

[wary sun]

just because i dont like the book they read i shouldn't be called a clown

[sonic terrace]

And saying swear words

[manic juniper]

You keep recycling the same arguments I've heard over and over again from Muslims, you're giving an annoying image of Islam and Muslims

[wary sun]

they get offended cause i commented on a book they follow and i don't

[manic juniper]

? Joking around where?

[formal scaffold]

theology and philosophy ventures in those fields and are build on skeptiks and questions

[lean geode]

If your community gets offended over a question then you're simply not fit to answer the question.

[wary sun]

:)) that's hilarious to me

[hot bison]

Guys!!!

[formal scaffold]

you are better than that

[hot bison]

Slower. I can't catch up😂

[sonic terrace]

And you keep ignoring everything I'm saying

[wooden nest]

Yaa I know but at same time there is no way they will change their view about it

[manic juniper]

Because it's boring and repetitive

[sonic terrace]

Religion is not something to joke about
It's not a TV show

[lean geode]

Trying to apply it on everything is exactly the reason we have the scientific advancements we have today. Take a look at the scientific progress of the world over the past 50 years. That's evolutionary progress in it's finest form.

[hot bison]

That is a pure lie.

[sonic terrace]

I'd recommend you reduce your TikTok / IG screen time

[wooden nest]

this place is for "insightful conversations" Not to fight each other.

[manic juniper]

I don't have either, nice ad hominem idiot

[lean geode]

So why let your emotions control how you respond? Are you not able to adjust yourself and ATTEMPT to educate rather than ridicule because you received a question offensively? If not, you're not fit to answer.

[formal scaffold]

advancement or not gotta accept the field is limited if you ignore that you need to really review your knowledge

[wary sun]

do you really think someone actually created the universe?

[hot bison]

That is a pure lie. Extended: I don't want to discuss it. She has no right to offend me or any other person. I'm not willing to debate doesn't justify her action

[lean geode]

Ofcourse it's limited. Everything is limited. There is only so far Science can go, but we do NOT know how far that is yet because we are STILL expanding scientific knowledge. Discoveries are being made on an almost daily basis at this point.

[wary sun]

what did i say about you?

[lean geode]

Okay so if you feel the correct thing to do is ridicule someone when you just don't like the question, you do you.

It's a valid question, you don't have the answer so you ridicule character, that's it really

[sonic terrace]

If i was explaining to a 1st grader he'd understand simple logic
All she can do is just beat around the bush while i send everything i can to explain to her

[formal scaffold]

I mean even HIstory is build on skeptic and doubt, and the victor is the biggest influencer on it

[wary sun]

the problem is not you don't have facts you jsut have stories

science can prove right now several things i believe in while religion cannot

[hot bison]

I don't have problem with whatever you believe is right or wrong. You could have made your idea more clear without people mistaking it for an offensive manner.

[formal scaffold]

to resume theologies as merly fairy tales showcases the level of ignorance about theology itself

[wary sun]

that's purely the only reason i am not religious

[wary sun]

I don't have to tip toe as you guys aren't either it's an opinion about a book

Feel free to block me if you cannot take it

[formal scaffold]

you are free in that

[lean geode]

All you've done is provide exerpts to geological science in the qu'ran. At what year was that exerpt written where they mentioned the idea of the earth spinning?

[hot bison]

I'm not fit and i'm not willing to.

Lies.

[wary sun]

i have friends from different religions and i respect their belief i do not care what religion they have as long as it's not the extremist side of it and they do not force it on me

ok so?

[sonic terrace]

What Lies Beneath Mountains
Mountains are among the grandest features of Earth’s landscapes. What lies beneath their surface has been an impenetrable mystery until the invention of modern technology. The Quran however gave us guidance on this over a millennium ago:

اَلَمۡ نَجۡعَلِ الۡاَرۡضَ مِهدًا ۙ﴿۷﴾ وَّ الۡجِبَالَ اَوۡتَادًا ﴿۪ۙ۸﴾

“Have We not made the earth a bed, And the mountains as pegs?”

Holy Qur’an 78:7-8

Here mountains, Al-Jibāl, are described as pegs. The word awtādan means roots, or pegs. Astoundingly, modern geology has discovered that mountains project deep roots into the Earth’s crust. One geology textbook tells us:

“Beneath a mountain range, where the crust is thickest, a deep root projects into the mantle and provides buoyancy.” Understanding Earth, Grotzinger & Jordan, pg. 630 (2014).

Not only this, but an even more astounding declaration is made in the Quran:

وَ تَرَی الۡجِبَالَ تَحۡسَبُهَا جَامِدَۃً وَّ هِیَ تَمُرُّ مَرَّ السَّحَابِ ؕ صُنۡعَ اللهِ الَّذِی أَتۡقَنَ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ ؕ اِنَّهُ خَبِیۡرٌ بما تَفعلُوۡنَ ﴿۸۹﴾

“The mountains that you see, you think they are stationary while they are constantly floating like the floating of clouds. Such is the work of Allah Who made everything firm and strong. ” Holy Quran 27:89

Here, the Quran tells us that visible mountains appear stationary while in reality they float like clouds. There are only two ways in which this can be true: either the entire Earth is rotating, causing the mountains to float in space, or mountain ranges are somehow floating on top of the Earth.

Incredibly, both are true! The Earth is indeed rotating. Not only this, but mountain ranges float on top of the Earth’s crust:

“… as a mountain range forms, it slowly sinks under the force of gravity, and the continental crust bends downward. When enough of a root bulges into the mantle to provide buoyancy, the mountain range floats.” Understanding Earth, Grotzinger & Jordan, pg. 630 (2014).

[lean geode]

"There is also the truth"

Please provide the reasons as to why there are 4,000 religions on Earth and why YOURS is real and the other 3,999 are not?

There is ONE creator right? Why is your religion the real creator?

[formal scaffold]

yeah forcing is a no no

[lean geode]

And why does the CREATOR allow horrible things to happen. Why do they literally create a parasite whos sole purpose is to burrow into the eyes of children.

[wary sun]

yes because you can brainwash easily a 1st grader. They do not know science the same way an average adult does

they believe in Santa still

[formal scaffold]

what? which relegion is that?

[sonic terrace]

Now look look at them ignoring literally every single word @void moon

[wary sun]

don't give me that ridiculous comment

[hot bison]

I did not ridicule Noone ever. Maybe some sarcastic comments but in this matter I recommend reading my messages again slowly. I'm not willing to educate the obvious. It's the internet. Ofc she had different encounters. Why are you defending her at this point? I believe we have it settled.

[lean geode]

Why does your creator preach "unconditional love" yet provide a book based ENTIRELY on condition to reach your holy lands.

[lean geode]

I asked you in what year that exerpt was officially written about this geographical science in the qur'an

[sonic terrace]

@wary sun

[formal scaffold]

damn you don't know shit about Islam lol

[lean geode]

Then tell me why your religion is real and truth and the other 3,999 are not?

[sonic terrace]

Did you even read that?

I doubt you read a word

[manic juniper]

Ikr

[lean geode]

I did, I'm specifically asking you

[formal scaffold]

I tell you that assuming is wrong, you should at least study something if you wanna refute it, or don't study it if you are not interested

[sonic terrace]

Idk, ask the ones converting since it's the fastest growing religion

[lean geode]

I'm asking YOU why your religion is truth and not the other 3,999.

[formal scaffold]

criticizing it while ignoring it is foolish and funny xD

[livid kettle]

u were right sheikh

[lean geode]

But you're not telling me ANYTHING, you're just preaching "one truth" without providing anything actually logical

[wary sun]

can i ask in what year this statement weas made?

[sonic terrace]

No the question if for you, when did people know about that????

[hot bison]

I can take it. But I wanted you to understand is all. Why people are making a big deal out of us?

[sonic terrace]

The verse you mean??

[wary sun]

yes when was that exactly written

[sonic terrace]

1400 years ago, Qur'an

[lean geode]

You're the one who's citing this entry. I'm asking you when this was written.

[formal scaffold]

so basically do my homework for me i'm too lazy to study islam to refute it, bro just ignore islam and live your life peacefully xD

[hot bison]

Tsunami

[sonic terrace]

And i challenge you to prove that it was edited @wary sun

[lean geode]

Great so you guys just refuse to even attempt to provide a level of education?

I'm challenging your views and you shove them off.

[sonic terrace]

You will never find two different Qur'ans

[lean geode]

You cannot answer it, just say that.

[formal scaffold]

you don't even know my views tho?

you are punching the air rn

arguing an islam you created from your mind

[sonic terrace]

And you'll find 100s of versions in other religions of their scripture

[wary sun]

so like 4th 5th century right?

[manic juniper]

7th

[sonic terrace]

close

[formal scaffold]

Just convince me, how are you going to challenge something you ignore? I beg you tell me?

if you don't wanna be muslim nobody's forcing you blud

[sonic terrace]

Didn't you realize already? We're discussing 1st graders

At least A 1st grader would have simple logic

They don't

[wary sun]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth's_rotation#:~:text=In 499 CE%2C the Indian,by the rotation of Earth.

[silver vault]

Look, who's talking

[formal scaffold]

it's not about grades, it's more emotional than anything else, they hate islam and they wanna exerce that hate, without even knowing it

[wary sun]

earth's rotation one of the point in the text you sent me

[lean geode]

Ofcourse not, I'd rather live my life freely with my own will and freedom without following a set of rules written by human hands and convince myself it's the "creators" rules.

I'm not ignoring it, I'm specifically asking you to give me reasonings which you're not doing, you literally just cannot answer it. Simple as that, L blud

[wary sun]

apparently discovered way before Quran did

[silver vault]

YY doesn't even exist so idk why he decided to include that in his stupid list of 'genders'

[sonic terrace]

be concise

[wary sun]

what do you mean be concise?

[lean geode]

There is literally Stonehenge which was built in 2000BC which was accurately used by people of that time to predict lunar eclipses for 50+ years.

[sonic terrace]

My point was mountains, was that also discoverd?

[formal scaffold]

I'm asking you, why should I give you reasoning if you don't want to believe in the first place, believe is a choice, not a text book conclusion, believe come from understanding something and willing to believe in it

[manic juniper]

Ancient Americans too knew about those events centuries in advance

[sonic terrace]

I'm talking about what lies beneath mountains ,hmm?

[wary sun]

Incredibly, both are true! The Earth is indeed rotating. Not only this, but mountain ranges float on top of the Earth’s crust:

this is a point you made you also mentioned 7th century

In 499 CE, the Indian astronomer Aryabhata suggested that the spherical Earth rotates about its axis daily, and that the apparent movement of the stars is a relative motion caused by the rotation of Earth.

[lean geode]

I'm absolutely willing, I'm a hard Agnostic, not an Athiest. You provide me core reasoning, logic, sources, something to back up that your religion is real. If you can't, you can't.

[sonic terrace]

Ignore him, he's obsessed with me appearantly lol

[wary sun]

Clearly stated way earlier in other sources

[formal scaffold]

you said you are not willing yourself lol, to not follow a book written by man

just be clear about your intentions

[silver vault]

Bro can't refute my argument and decides to ridicule me instead

[wary sun]

that's what he does with everyone

[silver vault]

Classic

[lean geode]

So change my mind. My intention is strictly to learn, why research when I can get it straight from a source? At my current state, ofcourse I don't want to convert.

[silver vault]

Nobody said it isn't

[hot bison]

Man of culture.

[formal scaffold]

Nobody can change minds, belief come from your own heart not mine

[sonic terrace]

Where is it talking about what lies beneath mountains?

[formal scaffold]

you are your own master

[sonic terrace]

Bro ignore him, he's been tryna get my attention the whole day

[wary sun]

bruv 😄 i proved to you that one of your statements is false there that's the rotation

[lean geode]

.... that's just literally incredibly incorrect. Then why do people of religion preach in streets if "nobody can change minds". Conversation literally exists with a purpose being of changing minds

[hot bison]

You know what else is possible? x½+x+y

[wary sun]

admit that you were wrong are you?

[wooden nest]

this is a never-ending discussion

[wary sun]

im waiting for the game to update

[sonic terrace]

Children.

[formal scaffold]

influencing not changing minds, you can't influence someone who's not interested

[sonic terrace]

One of my statements, what happened to the others? You dropped them on the way?

[formal scaffold]

idk why you take preachers as refrence, I follow my own belief and philosophy of life

[hot bison]

😂😂😂😂

[lean geode]

Why do you guys just push hatred on others? Not one of us has said we hate Islam. None of us.

[wooden nest]

My bet is that it won't update. They would never ever say you are right

[lean geode]

I don't understand this ridiculing method you use

[wary sun]

of course not i took their statement and run it through history proved them that the quran wasn't the first to mention one of them

[sonic terrace]

Istg I'm discussing with walls

[wary sun]

now they pretend that never happened i bet with a bit of research i can prove the other one too

[sonic terrace]

No hatred, just ignoring the argument

[wary sun]

but even if i did they d still be stuck in their own ways

[sonic terrace]

You're ignoring a statement

[wary sun]

bruv isnt this an argument you made?.

[lean geode]

She quite literally refuted your exerpt and u ignored it bro

💀

[wary sun]

“The mountains that you see, you think they are stationary while they are constantly floating like the floating of clouds. Such is the work of Allah Who made everything firm and strong. ” Holy Quran 27:89

Here, the Quran tells us that visible mountains appear stationary while in reality they float like clouds. There are only two ways in which this can be true: either the entire Earth is rotating, causing the mountains to float in space, or mountain ranges are somehow floating on top of the Earth.

[sonic terrace]

😴

[wary sun]

This talks about the planet rotation does it not?

You made this statement not me.

[wooden nest]

Psychology speaking people would never agree their beliefs is wrong. It would broke themD:

[lean geode]

Bro do you even know how conversation works? you literally discuss one point at a time.

[sonic terrace]

Is that what the Indian said??

[wary sun]

You also said this was from the 7th century and I showed you earlier sources of it proving that the knowleadge was already there when this was written.

[lean geode]

Ofcourse not, they're raised to follow a specific pathway.

[wary sun]

Bruv THATSA WHAT YOU SAID LMAO

[lean geode]

honestly bro you take the L here

[wooden nest]

None of you are willing to understand the other side

[wary sun]

you said that above lmao do u even know what u talking about?

[lean geode]

ur entire exerpt was disproven and ur malding

[wary sun]

you typed that

=))))))))))))))))))]

[sonic terrace]

Apparently no

[silver vault]

Bro tell all of this to sheikh, cause he corresponded chromosomes straight to gender instead of biological sex

[lean geode]

Okay then moving on, I have a genuine question I am very curious about and I'm curious what you think about it.

Why do islamic extremists exist and commit terrorist acts? You mentioned the Qur'an has never changed, so they read the same thing as everyone else right? So wht makes them believe that an act of terrorism gives them passage to paradise?

[wary sun]

bruv copy pasted from google and forgot what he did

didnt even read those arguments he went to the first source he found

trying to indoctrinate everyone here with stuff he has no idea about

[silver vault]

'clown' comment incoming from sheikh

Lmaoo

[sonic terrace]

Fk you

Bot

[wary sun]

points proven here as well

[sonic terrace]

The Expansion Of The Universe
Einstein’s equations tell us that the universe is expanding. This discovery surprised everyone.

For decades thereafter, scientists thought the universe exploded out of the Big Bang, and has been slowing down ever since. But they were wrong. The universe’s expansion has recently been speeding up. This mysterious re-expansion is driven by what we call dark energy. About 5 billion years ago, this mysterious anti-gravity began pushing the universe outwards once more.

The Holy Quran describes this perfectly:

وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُون

And We have built the heaven with might and We continue to expand it indeed.

Holy Quran 51:48

[wary sun]

id have more respect for you if you typed that to me

[sonic terrace]

@wary sun

[silver vault]

Why are we having this convo?

[wary sun]

is this another copy paste? give me the source at least

[sonic terrace]

I'd never say that to a girl lol

[lean geode]

This says NOTHING. This does not even for a single word show an inference to the same thing. Are you telling me the vast empty space of the universe is heaven? Wouldn't heaven be a different realm entirely? This is complete fallacy

[sonic terrace]

no need , I'm giving you more simple blocks of text!

[sonic terrace]

Strategy: ignore everything and focus on one word
Heaven is basically meaning what's above you, the sky, heard of it?

[wary sun]

ok so what? the statement above talks about the continuous expansion of the universe at a different speed and there are reasons that are still researched

[silver vault]

An btw the Y chromosome plays a key role in determining male biological characteristics, as it carries genes responsible for male sex development

[wary sun]

you made a statement there that says the universe is expanding ok and?

[lean geode]

"We are expanding heaven"

in what universe does this even remotely mean what was discovered about the universe expanding. Scientific discoveries disproves this entirely, because the universe isn't actually EXPANDING outwards, it's literally stretching and we know this due to methods of blueshift and redshift. So your entire claim just makes no sesne here.

[silver vault]

Gender however is a multifaceted term @void moon

[wary sun]

And We have built the heaven with might and We continue to expand it indeed.

this is very up to the interpretation as well

like heaven can mean where god is and the kingdom of god

not necessarily the universe in itself

[lean geode]

Right so when you die you go to the sky? Is that it?

[wooden nest]

Thats why I think is a pointless discussion. You guys are brave for trying

[sonic terrace]

"And we have built the heaven with might and we continue to expand it indeed" [Qur'an 51:48]
The verse is describing that statement

[lean geode]

you become a plane or what

[wary sun]

yes it can talk about the kingdom of god

prove me that's not true

[lean geode]

Tbh I love these debates because most of the time (proven now) they get defensive, says it all tbh

[wary sun]

that's an interpretation someone had that you are forcing on me

[sonic terrace]

I'm not talking about the after life tho

[formal scaffold]

Say: O disbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship; (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship. (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship. (5) Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (6)

[wary sun]

i am asking you to show me in that statement where he revers to the unvierse because he says heaven not universe

heaven is not the universe

?define heaven

[cursive bobcat]

Word: heaven

Definition 1 (noun): any place of complete bliss and delight and peace
Definition 2 (noun): the abode of God and the angels

Definition requested by d.ellie

[wary sun]

there stated my point with arguments

[lean geode]

But isn't the basis of most religions that when you die you reach "Heaven" or "paradise" and isn't Paradise just another wording for heaven? Is there two of them or something?

[wary sun]

clearly refers to the kingdom of god as that is what heaven is

i feel at this point i am teaching him his own religion

and i dont even copy from google

[sonic terrace]

So every single one of these is either mis-interpreted , or already discovered?
you're only taking me to a dead end

[wary sun]

it says heaven

[sonic terrace]

Translation for arabic to English

[wary sun]

it doesn't say the universe, the sky, it say sheaven

[sonic terrace]

It's سماوات
Skies

Earth and the heavens basically means the universe

[wary sun]

ok that is the translation im sure whoever translated Quran was a lot more educated than you and me in this

[formal scaffold]

I agree with him tho

heavens and paradise aren't exactly the same

[wary sun]

so let's assume the translation is correct oterwise all the Muslim followers from Britain wouldn't know they read

[sonic terrace]

That's for sure , still, there's a difference between heavens and jannah (paradise)

[wary sun]

that is absolutely untrue

[wary sun]

listen it says heaven in Quran i will say heaven.

[lean geode]

But "Sky" and "Universe" are two different things entirely. It's so baseless to think "We are expanding heaven" is the same as the discovery of the universe expanding

[formal scaffold]

paradise is referred as heaven bc it's in a higher place in some connotations

[lean geode]

So what is your afterlife called? Heaven or Paradise?

[wary sun]

so based on yall statement there is no heaven and god is in the sky

[formal scaffold]

wait what's the verse in arabic? the actual word

[wary sun]

where exactly? if u say heaven=sky

or u are saying the Quran in english is wrong and people should not follow it

did u not read all this conversation?

[lean geode]

What is the direct translation. Sheikh said that "Heaven" means the earth and sky. Is it DIRECTLY denoted in the scriptures that HEAVEN = Sky or Universe or Jannah?

[sonic terrace]

I said you're saying that heaven and paradise are the same thing

[wary sun]

he said heaven here but he said it refer to sky

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXqqdPrYQQ&t=7s

[sonic terrace]

We're arguing over one of countless ones

[wary sun]

and universe

didnt mean to sound rude was making sure

[manic juniper]

Lol not even other Muslims agree with Mr. Muhammad

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj3eVEIg4Us&pp=ygUgOSBzaG9ja2luZyBmYWN0cyBmcm9tIHRoZSBxdXJhbiA%3D

watch both maybe

[wary sun]

valorant

which is what i am gonna do rn i have debunked all their statements

gave them stuff to research now i go play

[sonic terrace]

Not really

Those were one out of a hundred lol

[wary sun]

i wanted to ask how old are you? i just want to understand your mindset and age is important on that. feel free not to say if it makes u uncomfortable

[lean geode]

No disrespect but you did entirely ignore all of her other points.

[sonic terrace]

Go ahead and Debunk (10:92) that Pharaoh's mummy was in the see

[silver vault]

And I agree with you. Apparently, you convey a much broader intelligence than the person whose statements we initially started discussing💀

[hot bison]

We need more of your type (trolls)

[sonic terrace]

I did read them!

How could i forget

The pulsar start and its knocking sound (al tariq) (86:1-3)

(57:25) which states that iron isn't from the earth

Big bang theory (21:30)

(34:3) the existence of particles smaller than the atom

I'm here till morning

[formal scaffold]

LMao

[sonic terrace]

Hoool up

This is gonna be a looooong one

Might as well just send the pdf

[formal scaffold]

I just finished my work gotta skiddadle for now wish yall a fun time

[sonic terrace]

Nah bro they might just answer this one

The other no way lol

[sonic terrace]

Gl mate , salam

[formal scaffold]

wailikom assalam warahmato allahi wabarakatoho brother ❤️

[sonic terrace]

Whoop here he comes

So which scientist knew this in 828 bce now?

[lean geode]

This verse has nothing to do with pulsars btw :) It says piercing stars, as in it makes holes. It has no connotation with light. The arabic word itself means hole.

[sonic terrace]

Al tariq means hole

Amazing.

[lean geode]

yes. ur wrong about ur own verse.

[sonic terrace]

Mhmm

Sure

[wary sun]

prolly refers to shooting stars

[sonic terrace]

Yeah that was false

Get your info right lol

[lean geode]

This is true, Iron was not from the Earth. It was common knowledge that meteors containing Iron fell to earth. Literally almost all elements came from space during it's formation. This is scientific knowledge backing into the ancient egyptian times

[wary sun]

Meteorites fall each day and have been doing so since the beginning of Earth. However, human society started recording the rare sightings during Antiquity. Among the first records are reports from Asia, i.e. China, Korea, and Japan. In fact, the oldest written record of a meteor shower is from 687 BC which states that “the stars fell like rain”. Historical records of astronomical events in Asia have been very insightful. Over the centuries, more recollections piled up for the new generations. They provide insight into annual occurrences, so they helped for the first recorded observation of Perseid showers in 36 AD.

[lean geode]

Also, this verses description of the big bang makes absolutely no sense. Calling heaven and earth one piece before being cloved asunder. There was no matter to be cloven asunder. The earth formed 9 billion years AFTERWARDS.

[sonic terrace]

I don't know what you're talking about , but the word "al thaqib" here comes in the meaning of light, not holes

[livid kettle]

Still debating?

[lean geode]

Searched it, it means "Piercing, shooting star"

again reinforcing my point.

[livid kettle]

Not really
English doesn't have the exact meaning or arabic words

[sonic terrace]

Let em cook

[lean geode]

Then why does every source including some arabic speaker say the same?

[livid kettle]

They don't know

[livid kettle]

Sleep bruh

[sonic terrace]

If you actually looked it up you'll find it means the pulsar star

[sonic terrace]

(Impossible)

[lean geode]

Oh I've looked it up, plenty of places.
valorant time

[wary sun]

have a lovely evening see you next time

[livid kettle]

Night guys

[sonic terrace]

Valo? Really bro?

bad game ngl

[wary sun]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-gif-22466319

[sonic terrace]

That's full of angry french people lol

[wary sun]

i think this would be the only thing we re ever gonna agree on

[sonic terrace]

go sleep

[lean geode]

true and they're genuinely awful people 😭

[silver vault]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-smash-destroy-break-down-gif-24989521

G'night guys

[sonic terrace]

Nope, still got a list

[wary sun]

one piece?

[sonic terrace]

Lmao

[cerulean ore]

muslims when you dont believe their random vague quran verse

[sonic terrace]

I meant a list of verses but yeah also one piece

[lean geode]

I mean i debate for debate, I don't take other views personally or anything, i aint got an issue with anyone

[silver vault]

😃hello there

[wary sun]

i hate everyone equally no matter ur religion

unless its cats

[livid kettle]

[sonic terrace]

absolutely man, like everyone used to know that a female spider builds the web , they just took it and put it in (quran 29:41)

[wary sun]

you aint wrong

[sonic terrace]

Unbelievable.

[sonic terrace]

I got like a list of these

[silver vault]

You go first

[wary sun]

id rather not

[sonic terrace]

Nah thx

[livid kettle]

Ya li bedo yawle3 nar yahki 3la l islam

Drop the chat

[wary sun]

max i can do is hat eless

[livid kettle]

Yallah go sleep ppl

[sonic terrace]

I got a list of these fr

[sonic terrace]

Nah imma go stare at the wall out of boredom

[lean geode]

i know 2 arabic words and they're not nice ones

[livid kettle]

Pray two rakaat and stare

[livid kettle]

Spill

[sonic terrace]

Sha...warma

[wary sun]

[lean geode]

87ba and kosomak (maybe spelt incorrectly) 💀

[sonic terrace]

💀

Alright enough internet

[livid kettle]

Bruuh,u understood

[livid kettle]

[sonic terrace]

You're arabic?💀

[livid kettle]

Where do u guys learn this

[sonic terrace]

Don't use your front part of your brain

[livid kettle]

Dam

[sonic terrace]

arab mfs

They teach them weird shit 🧔💔

[livid kettle]

I learnt them last year in an online grp too

[lean geode]

i have a lot of arabic friends

[wary sun]

not much u know about me is it

[silver vault]

I wanted to know that do muslims really have some kind of animosity towards shiya's in general?

[livid kettle]

Well the first word i have it in my dialect but the second first heard of last year

[sonic terrace]

Yo kassy heard of the nebula rose?

[livid kettle]

Muslims believe mohamed is the prophet while shiya say ali is the true prophet
And its false,mohamed is

I don't i've never met a shiyi

[livid kettle]

Kinda

[sonic terrace]

Wait till you hear two syrians/Palestinians/jordans/iraqis fighting

[livid kettle]

It happened once,wait,there is that jordanian named tahan

Tahan in my dialect is a big curse

[silver vault]

So what do you think about the people who consider themselves as shiyas tho?

Do they just not exist at all💀

[cerulean ore]

They do but not in majority

[sonic terrace]

{ فَإِذَا انشَقَّتِ السَّماءُ فَكانَت وَردَةً كَالدِّهانِ }[ الرحمن: ٣٧ ]

[livid kettle]

Oooh yes

[livid kettle]

I don't know

Nebula rose

[cerulean ore]

Also my mother used to say that i, as a Sunni i should never ever eat in a shiyi' household cause they spit in their meals before making it..💀

[silver vault]

Wtf

[sonic terrace]

Ig this and ants communication were also known waaaay before the Qur'an

[livid kettle]

Aha..never heard of it

[bleak osprey]

recently scientifically proven, right

[cerulean ore]

That bit is part of my religious trauma

[livid kettle]

Oooff course,sulaiman peace be upon him

[sonic terrace]

Here he comes

[silver vault]

so you're a proper atheist now

[cerulean ore]

I’m a moral relativistic stationary agnostic

[livid kettle]

هو انت تستنى جدل تاني؟😂

[sonic terrace]

مش قاااااااادر عندي لستةةة

[livid kettle]

اتعارك في vc

[sonic terrace]

Good idea.

[livid kettle]

Imma sleep nighty

[sonic terrace]

rip

New born's Hearing before seeing (32:9)

[wary sun]

sleep well

[wary sun]

how do u spit in a meal before making it

like if there is no meal what do u spit in

https://tenor.com/view/calculation-math-hangover-allen-zach-galifianakis-gif-6219070

[cerulean ore]

Wait imma ask her

[wary sun]

she will say u spit in ingredients

but might as well jsut spit in the meal after u make it

[covert raptor]

Is the debate finally over?

[sonic terrace]

I'm lazy to answer

I've been typing the whole day man

[wary sun]

we re playing valorant

[manic juniper]

Kaunas 😩

[sonic terrace]

Kaunas?

[sonic terrace]

Qur'an has too much scientific info to be collected by a man who lived in the desert, and didn't even know how to read or write

Saying that it's written by a human would never make sense in any way

here it comes..

Test tes

Screw this wifi bro

[manic juniper]

It was compiled by his scribes

It's not absurd that someone else wrote it down, I think it's even acknowledged

[sonic terrace]

They went around the world to gather all of that?

[manic juniper]

Didn't he go around the Middle East to conquer it?

[sonic terrace]

The only thing they had was poetry in arabia 💀

And you come and tell me they made a scripture full of gathered info

[sonic terrace]

Not all the world , look up the Rashidun Caliphate map

How would he gather ALL of that just between arabia and persia?

[manic juniper]

I never said the entire world, in fact Muslims never even touched where I live

[manic juniper]

Do you think information didn't move around? Or science, especially with Egypt being so close and having close ties to Rome and Greece?

[thorny steeple]

where do u live

[sonic terrace]

Look it up, there wasn't that much science in arabia

[manic juniper]

Existing between Europe, North Africa, Persia, how come people would be isolated from the rest of the world?

[sonic terrace]

the most common was poetry

[manic juniper]

And India to the East

[manic juniper]

Finland

[thorny steeple]

ya muslims mostly touches the south and east asia

[sonic terrace]

Not isolated, but still , he can't gather all of that
Ofc there's some of those are being proved by science
80% of those have been confirmed by science already

[manic juniper]

Wikipedia says exactly what I thought

[manic juniper]

They conquered the Balkans and the Iberian peninsula at some point

[thorny steeple]

Afghan Muslims conquer india in 17 century

[sonic terrace]

So they didn't go everywhere around the earth?

[manic juniper]

No but much of the knowledge would pass through them sooner or later, the major civilisations of the East in India, Persia and China and the major western ones like Rome, Greece and Egypt would establish routes through there

[sonic terrace]

how did Qur'an in 30:2-3 know that the Dead sea is lowest if they haven't fully seen the earth?

[manic juniper]

Lowest? How? It's literally the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean

[sonic terrace]

That's the lowest place on earth
The Dead sea is the lowest sea

If you don't believe me you can see yourself

[manic juniper]

It has the lowest land-based elevation, that doesn't mean it's the lowest of the seas

[thorny steeple]

I am not supporting Muslims but dear Isfrun he is asking how did qu,an knew that

[sonic terrace]

Yes , exactly my point

[grave temple]

💀

[manic juniper]

The Quran in fact doesn't know that, because it claimed something else

[grave temple]

man why do we gotta debunk other people's religion

[manic juniper]

It isn't even referring to the sea but its shores

[thorny steeple]

ok

[grave temple]

just respect ig like damn

[manic juniper]

I don't even care, he's insisting for no reason. I just contested something historic that he claimed about Arabs somehow being ignorant before Islam

[sonic terrace]

The lowest land-based elevation, not the lowest point

[sonic terrace]

again, Yes exactly

[grave temple]

nah im not targeting you specifically but arguing about religion often makes people mad

[manic juniper]

Yes I noticed

[grave temple]

because it is a sensitive topic

and people tend to get mad or insulted

[manic juniper]

It's weird because it wasn't even about religion

[grave temple]

but its aight ig