🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

amazing choice, but insurance company may crying 🤣

[thorny steeple]

That’s why you get insurance

It doesn’t matter if they cry that’s what they get paid for

[feral river]

yeah insurance fraud succeed. it's kinda creepy for them like they always call me asking for details but we said the same thing so they don't have chance to do it.

[thorny steeple]

Sounds good my friend

[feral river]

their agent made 12 calls to me

[thorny steeple]

I’m going to sleep now it’s late and I’m very tired

[feral river]

yeah I know here is pretty late for america

have a good dream for you

[thorny steeple]

Goodnight

[feral river]

fr

I'm the middle class but only 2 cars in China

fake middle class

[timid oriole]

hi guys

[vapid hare]

yup he's part of the wealthy

[vapid hare]

howdy

[feral river]

this is pretty funny:

Capitalism You have two cows. You milked the cow, only to have a financial crisis and pour the milk into the river.
Socialism
You have two cows. The public confiscates a cow from you and gives it to someone else.
Russian socialism
You have two cows. The public takes it all and sells you milk.
Communism
You have two cows. The government confiscates your two cows and only gives you part of the milk.
Socialism with Chinese Characteristics
You have two cows and hire three hundred people to milk them. You claim full employment and high productivity. Then arrest the journalists who reported the truth.
Anarchism
You have two cows. You steal your neighbor's bull, and your neighbor steals your cow, but the government doesn't care at all.
Totalitarianism
You have two cows. The public confiscates your two cows, denies their ever existence, and prohibits you from possessing milk.
Fascism
You have two cows. The king shoots one of your cows and sells you another cow.
Nazism
You have two cows. The government will shoot you and confiscate the two cows.
Feudalism
You have two cows. The lord requires you to pay tribute of milk.
Collectivism
You have two cows. You have to take care of the cow yourself, but the milk belongs to the public.
Militarism
You have two cows. All the public property was requisitioned unconditionally due to war needs.
Democracy
You have two cows. They held a referendum with you, won two to one, and banned beef products.
Liberalism
You have two cows. Let them go away separately from the bull they like.
Romanticism
You have two cows. Please choose the one you love.
Dadaism
You have two cows. It's better for you to do it yourself to show that all things are equal.

[main bison]

hey chinese mate
Why can't i find so many japanese ppl online?

[feral river]

#1006563601747804231 message

[main bison]

there is no real japanese there

all of the people are learners

[feral river]

well

real japanese... maybe watch some anime videos on the youtube and there will be

[main bison]

hmm

[feral river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci_zad39Uhw

[main bison]

ok

[feral river]

like this one

[main bison]

cute

[feral river]

fr this pretty hot 83M views

also hot in China

[thorny steeple]

Good morning people

[vapid hare]

what if I'm an alien though?

[thorny steeple]

Ur right🤔🤔 , good morning everyone from everywhere!

[thorny steeple]

what if I'm a stone though?

[thorny steeple]

• Anything

[dry lodge]

What if I'm nothing?

[thorny steeple]

Then ur just anything 😀

[vapid hare]

what if I'm EVERYTHING though?!

[thorny steeple]

Anything= everything+ nothing+...

[formal pilot]

Technically you're 99.9999999999996% nothing

[dry lodge]

Well it depends on how a person interprets "nothing"

Any=every thing=thing
Any+thing=everything
No=no
No+thing= nothing

[thorny steeple]

😂😂😂😂this is literally confusing

[dry lodge]

Depends on how a person views nothing and on the context

[formal pilot]

I see nothing as emptiness

[dry lodge]

There are certainly going to be different points of view, one could say that anything encompasses nothing and people who say anything don't encompass nothing, and im the latter

[vapid hare]

are you empty inside bill? be truthful

[formal pilot]

Technically yes

Most of the part in an atoms is empty

[vapid hare]

you bottomless pit of despair and hate 😄

[vapid hare]

nerd

[formal pilot]

99.9999999999996% to be precise

[vernal current]

Any exercises that you guys do or used to do in order to improve your english

[dry lodge]

Have you ever thought how humans are studying atoms when we are all made of atoms? Doesn't that mean a mass of atoms is trying to study itself?

[vapid hare]

I watched english yt videos

[dry lodge]

Books or videos

All in english obv

[thorny steeple]

i wacthed videos and speak to myself

[vernal current]

Thx alot yall

[vapid hare]

isn't it crazy how we're the brain but we don't know everything about the brain?
The brain doesn't know itself

[thorny steeple]

wow, i don't think this before

[dry lodge]

The world is still full of mysteries

[formal pilot]

Well I used to write read and listen.

Out of which listening helped me most.

I'm little behind on my speaking abilities, didn't paid much attention to it

[formal pilot]

Well, brain's self-awareness is limited because it evolved to focus on external stimuli and problem-solving rather than introspection.

[vapid hare]

what the hell does stimuli and introspection mean 💀 im dumb man

[formal pilot]

Well it's like message our body sends to CNS

Put your finger in hot water, it will send a stimuli to brain

[vapid hare]

oh so like for survival then?

so stimuli is pretty much the body's reaction to something? @formal pilot

[formal pilot]

Indeed

[formal pilot]

And Introspection is like looking inside your own mind and thinking about your thoughts and feelings

[vapid hare]

you're smart as hell, osama 😯

you really do learn something new everyday

[formal pilot]

I'm not related to Osama

[formal pilot]

That's the spirit

[vapid hare]

we know you are

so you're pretty much saying that the brain evolved to prioritize survival rather than self-awareness? @formal pilot

[formal pilot]

Exactly

If you see a lion you run

[vapid hare]

no I wouldn't, I would fight it (jk)

[formal pilot]

we haven't discovered mathematical tools to understand self awareness or measuring emotions yet

I think we can find that mathematical tools in irrational numbers (just random opinion)

Any maths expert please feel free to add something to my knowledge

[thorny steeple]

I agree it's smt natural and instinctive in a person

When the brain senses any danger, it acts according to that danger and doesn't have time to process everything

I was confident in the idea that a person can act according to what he wants, but I experienced the complete opposite. One day I was in a horse race, and one of the horses headed towards me, so without realizing it, I pushed someone to get away from the horse.

[north wedge]

Did you push some other person in front of the horse so they get injured instead of you?

[thorny steeple]

No not like that

He was beside me

[north wedge]

That would've been more fun

[thorny steeple]

So i pushed him to the other side

[thorny steeple]

Whattt

😭😭😭

[formal pilot]

It's our ancient instinct

[thorny steeple]

Exactly that's just how we r made

Human will always seek surviving

[vapid hare]

are you saying we're inherently selfish?

[formal pilot]

That's why we're here

[thorny steeple]

This point does not reflect the individual’s personality because the brain acts rationally on the basis of protecting this person, and therefore it cancels all principles, Especially in critical situations .

[formal pilot]

You should read it, it's really a great book

[thorny steeple]

Thank you so much

[thorny steeple]

They are involuntary actions

[vapid hare]

makes sense I guess. We value our own survival above all else after all

[formal pilot]

Me ?? Why?

[vapid hare]

b-but I'm illiterate 😔

[thorny steeple]

For the book 📖

[thorny steeple]

Mmm try to listen to it in ytb if it's available

[formal pilot]

Yes intellectually illiterate

[vapid hare]

as like an audiobook?

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-21978827

[formal pilot]

Yeah it's available on YT for free

[thorny steeple]

Exactly

[vapid hare]

this?? why is there lenin on the thumbnail though

[formal pilot]

Dude please get the hardcopy and read

It has some great pictures

[vapid hare]

are there like drawings

[formal pilot]

Kinda, ancient drawings

[vapid hare]

oh like photos of cave drawings done by our ancient ancestors?

[formal pilot]

Sometimes being rational is depressing af (completely diff topic)

[formal pilot]

Indeed

[vapid hare]

we need to be irrational sometimes as well

[thorny steeple]

It just depends on the situation

🤔

[formal pilot]

Yes like in stress, strong emotions

When we're being biased

[vapid hare]

I don't wanna get out of my confirmation bias though

[vapid hare]

yup. Being rational is important in understanding the world, but if you're TOO rational you can become depressed sometimes.

[thorny steeple]

Ah, you're right about this one, I wrongly read it organisms instead of "organic molecules/compounds", sorry for that. ✨
I gotta stop multitasking, it affects me in such instances. 😅

well what r u all tokking abt

Couldn't you do something more dishonest?

• You suddenly changed the subject, preventing me from responding.
• You kept repeating the same thing in different wordings.
• You didn't respond to my original argument.
• You completely missed the original point, which was your own claim that DNA similarity is an evidence that evolution is true.
• I didn't even begin to disprove evolution and you kept straw-manning me implying that I'm claiming DNA similarity studies disprove evolution, even though I never said that.

Come on now, I was half asleep at 5 AM handling two people, you and your friend who is telling you what to say.
Eventually you call it a non-productive conversation even though I did not mock or ridicule anything you said.
I understand that threatening your so-called "theory" threatens your whole atheistic ideology, but at least try to be consistent.

[manic juniper]

Why did god reuse the DNA of a chimp instead of, idk, using that of a less ugly animal like a parrot. Feels like he wanted humans to look like hairless apes

[thorny steeple]

1st of all Who said that Human was a chimp !!

[vernal current]

Whats bros thinking about 😂

[manic juniper]

No one

[thorny steeple]

So what's the pb then

[vernal current]

She wanna be a parrot

[thorny steeple]

I still didn't get the topic they r talking about

If it's not about a human being a chimp

[vernal current]

Me either this is a first time

[thorny steeple]

Or used to be*

[vernal current]

Like why the heck you want us to be a flipping parrot

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-critics-choice-awards-side-eye-confused-clapping-gif-14741917063569043913

[manic juniper]

Embed fail loool

[thorny steeple]

🙂🙂🙂I still don't understand anything

[formal pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-perms-discord-gif-discord-permissions-no-perms-gif-19575106

@thorny steeple you need to reach level 5 for gif perms

[formal pilot]

It was a sarcastic statement

[thorny steeple]

So i am no allowed to use them🥹

Not*

[formal pilot]

You're allowed to, but ig you're new here

Lemme check your level rq

[vernal current]

is it ok to spam to get it

[thorny steeple]

Okay tuuut

[formal pilot]

It's nearly 4

[thorny steeple]

Thank you so much i really appreciate ur efforts and time

But is it okay if i use them now or it's prohibited?

[formal pilot]

You can try but gif will not appear

It will be like weird internet link

[thorny steeple]

Yeah i noticed that but i thought it was bcz of my internet 😂😂😂😭😭

Ommg ty for ur explanation

[formal pilot]

Please get some help asap

You're not sane rn

[thorny steeple]

Why🙄😶‍🌫️

[formal pilot]

Because of "Yeah i noticed that but i thought it was bcz of my internet"

[vapid hare]

to the mental asylum with you!! @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

This is a normal thing 😭

Ty for supporting me

😭

[formal pilot]

Well serious chat is not for this kind of stuffs
You can chit chat in #🫂｜beginner-chat #🧊｜chill-chat
#💭｜general

[thorny steeple]

Sorry for my keyboard

[thorny steeple]

Okay , sorry 😔

[main bison]

come on don't be serious

[nocturne dome]

u did say like 8 times in the server that dna similarity doesnt prove evolution

[nocturne dome]

honestly tho, wtf were u doing arguing at 5am. know ur limits bro

u cant blame he fact that it was 5am after intentionally not going to sleep earlier

[nocturne dome]

nah this is serious chat, we ARE serious

very

[feral river]

are you spreading anti-atheists ?

what's wrong with atheist ideology then ?

[grave temple]

Because he is Muslim.

[feral river]

I think there is a problem if you can easily attack anyone's ideology and that's completely bullshit

[thorny steeple]

He is obviously against it but he didn't attack you

[feral river]

and I urge you to stop this hate.

[grave temple]

And no, my friend had nothing to do with my points.

[feral river]

otherwise, let's see how it works again.

you can be whatever you want, that's your freedom, but it's not the reason that you can attack anyone's ideology

[grave temple]

And for the "suddenly change of subject", as I've mentioned before, evolution and the existence of God are two contrary concepts, therefore, it is very important to mention if God is real or not, as you said beforehand, it was God who created the humans

I didn't abruptly change the subject, nor interrupt you.

[feral river]

it was not about topic, it's about his freaking idea to enforce someone's ideology

[grave temple]

I simply said, if you are doubting evolution so much, why can't I question the existence of God?

[feral river]

he don't care topics but he do starts problem with people

with you and with me.

[grave temple]

But, no, this is a one-way street, you don't have any arguments supporting the existence of God and that he created the Humans. You only keep repeating, evolution is a myth, evolution is a myth, the same points over and over.

You rebute and refuse to accept anything I say.

[feral river]

@thorny steeple Please be respectful to other people, and be responsible about what you says.

[grave temple]

Of course it's not a productive conversation.

[feral river]

his problem of enforcing ideas over here only will let people know what is his side looks like which is muslims.

#🧠｜serious-chat message

[thorny steeple]

Theory of Evolution is just the most possible theory out of a 100s of theories brought by scientists

[feral river]

that is his belief, he will never questioning his belief.

but philosophy is not.

[grave temple]

Bought forward with concrete evidence, studies and analysis.

"Just the most possible theory" is a stretch.

[thorny steeple]

No, there are no observable evidence for theory of evolution. Please provide me an observable evidence

[grave temple]

not again

[feral river]

there are no observable evidence for existence of god.

[grave temple]

Sure, I glad to.

[thorny steeple]

Well, I didn't claim that

[feral river]

that's the same logic

completely same

[formal pilot]

Well we have antibiotics resistance in bacteria

[grave temple]

I just copied my points from the other convo

[grave temple]

Peppered Moths: One classic example of natural selection in action is the case of the peppered moths (Biston betularia) during the Industrial Revolution in England. Prior to industrialization, most peppered moths had light-colored wings, which provided camouflage against lichen-covered tree trunks. However, as industrial pollution darkened tree bark with soot, dark-colored (melanic) morphs of the moths became more common because they were better camouflaged against the darker background. This shift in moth coloration over a relatively short period of time is a clear example of natural selection favoring traits that provide a survival advantage in changing environmental conditions.

Darwin's Finches: The finches of the Galápagos Islands, famously studied by Charles Darwin, provide another compelling example of natural selection. Different species of finches on the islands have evolved different beak shapes and sizes adapted to the specific food sources available in their habitats. For example, finches with large, stout beaks are better suited for cracking hard seeds, while those with smaller, more delicate beaks are better adapted for feeding on insects or flowers. Natural selection acts on variation within the finch populations, favoring beak shapes that enhance feeding efficiency and survival in their respective environments.

Antibiotic Resistance in Bacteria: The phenomenon of antibiotic resistance in bacteria provides a modern example of natural selection. When antibiotics are used to treat bacterial infections, natural selection favors the survival and reproduction of bacteria with genetic mutations that confer resistance to the antibiotic. Over time, repeated exposure to antibiotics can lead to the proliferation of resistant bacterial strains, making certain antibiotics less effective in treating infections. This process highlights how the selective pressure exerted by antibiotics can drive evolutionary changes within bacterial populations.

There are hundreds of more examples out there.

No need for me to spoon-feed you this.

If you are going to refute or rebute this, let someone else respond, I'm completely exhausted from talking to flare yesterday, and I don't want to continue this conversation anymore.

@formal pilot If you don't mind, respond to his rebuttal. I've got things to do.

[thorny steeple]

Finding a human chimp look a like skeleton does not prove this theory. Evolution occur with a 1000s of years, which means we would have found many other stages of such evidence

For example

[grave temple]

Im sorry, what about the giant block of text, I've sent you.

Nowhere, did I mention the similarities between chimps and humans

This is exactly what I'm talking about. These people refuse to even read the evidence I've sent them and continue refuting the same points over and over again.

[formal pilot]

I'm attending a lecture rn

[thorny steeple]

Ok, in conclusion there may have evolution happened within other organisms but not evidence in humans

[grave temple]

You asked for observational evidence, I gave you oberservational evidence

[grave temple]

Okay brodie, humans arent special, we were centainly not created by god

We possess similar anatomy to chimps (not saying we descend from them), we possess similar organs for the same uses with other animals, we possess DNA, repoductive system, a brain, etc...

[thorny steeple]

Yes I asked for Observable evidence for theory of evolution, theory of evolution also says we EVOLVED from a chimp, where is the observable evidence for that?

[grave temple]

What makes you say, us, humans, differ from animals then?

[cerulean ore]

Ah, yes, the old 'missing links' argument

[grave temple]

Woah woah, no?

I suggest you read the Origins of Species before saying false stuff.

[cerulean ore]

It's true that we haven't found every single stage of human evolution, but that doesn't mean they don't exist

[grave temple]

The Theory of Evolution is about natural selection, it's not about humans only.

[cerulean ore]

After all, we've only been studying this stuff for a few hundred years, and the Earth is billions of years old

[grave temple]

Read the Origins of Species please, now I must go

[cerulean ore]

Oh my god, they're writing paras

[thorny steeple]

Chimp has most identical vocal system to human yet they can't speak, a parrots vocal system is way different than human's yet thay can speak, which means your argument is not an evidence

[thorny steeple]

And still concluded as if the theory is right, no scientists has ever proved that

[nocturne dome]

im pretty sure there was a thing abt dogs at chernobyl

it was micro-evolution but still

[thorny steeple]

Logically speaking, we would have atleast seen the last evolution stage

[nocturne dome]

lemme find the thing abt the dogs rq

[hot galleon]

Hello, what are you talking about?

[nocturne dome]

ye i think it was abt that https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a43457220/chernobyl-dogs-dna-evolution/

[cerulean ore]

we've got mountains of evidence, from the similarities between different species' DNA to the fossil record that shows us how different organisms have changed over time

[nocturne dome]

smthg evolution smthg

[cerulean ore]

Brainrot

[thorny steeple]

I do believe in changes occurring due to adaptations of living beings due to environments, but nah no one PROVED theory of evolution yet

[hot galleon]

Oh I see

[cerulean ore]

Of course, there are still gaps in our knowledge, and there will always be room for new discoveries and refinements to our theories which doesnt really happen in your religion

[hot galleon]

Are you atheist ?

[feral river]

is that matter ?

[hot galleon]

Not really

[feral river]

very good then

[hot galleon]

Yes it's true

[vapid hare]

are you religious

[hot galleon]

No I'm atheist

[vapid hare]

have you always been an atheist?

[hot galleon]

No I was muslim

[thorny steeple]

What made u change ur religion

[cerulean ore]

Logic

Reasoning

[hot galleon]

The reading of Quoran

[thorny steeple]

Logic makes u Muslim

[cerulean ore]

That too

[hot galleon]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

What part

[cerulean ore]

Nice joke

[thorny steeple]

Reading Quran leads to the truth which is islam , misunderstanding leads to the opposite

[hot galleon]

For example slavery is authorized in islam

That's a lot of problem for me in Quoran

[thorny steeple]

Which aya(verse (may i ask

[vapid hare]

do you consider christians as wrong then?

[thorny steeple]

U literally understood Islam incorrectly, bcz it forbids slavery

[thorny steeple]

With all my respect yes

[nocturne dome]

u have the same god

[feral river]

well do you respect others with different religion with you ?

[thorny steeple]

That's what I'm saying lol. Science is a study through experiments and observations, with the available technology and information, but where as I believe, the Qur'an is words of the creator who is all knowing, there were many scientifical and mathematical facts in the Qur'an which in the past no one could understand but later technologies and science advanced and it became clear

Bible has been distorted

[thorny steeple]

I respect all religions but

[feral river]

that's all enough

[thorny steeple]

Qur'an doesn't catch up with science, Science catch up with Qur'an

[feral river]

but some people don't

[thorny steeple]

I don't agree with their content

[vapid hare]

they have differences in how they worship though

[thorny steeple]

Random genetic mutations are the mutations (according to evolution) that occur randomly.
Natural selection is the process in which species survive under certain conditions, it plays its role after the random genetic mutations.

According to evolution, species with traits unsuitable for the environmental conditions won't survive while others who acquired fitting traits for the environment through the random genetic mutations are the ones that will survive and spread via the reproduction process.
Given the amount of complexity in the simplest cells, random mutation should produce an incredibly large body of transitional fossils, they're should be easy to find given the amount of failed samples of species that natural selection got rid of, therefore your own evidence is against your claim, not in favor of it.

Those examples are better off explained via adaptive processes and epigenetical modifications (changes in how your body reads your DNA).
In case you don't know what epigenetics have to do here, every species have what is known as gene pool, in which they have multiple DNA sequences responsible for alternative traits, such as having DNA sequences for both brown and blue eye colors, epigenetics is concerned about when one trait is kind of switched off and the other is switched on.

I have this is as respectful to you as you like, 'cause I believe if I go even more respectful to your ideas I might not be able to criticize them at all.

[feral river]

that's normal because we all have difference

[nocturne dome]

oh god

[cerulean ore]

Read the Qur'an again

https://quran.com/4/15?translations=84,17,85,95,101,19,22,20

[vapid hare]

I thought the quran was infallible though?!?

[thorny steeple]

Okay, now what's your claim

[hot galleon]

16:71 And Allah hath favoured some of you above others in provision. Now those who are more favoured will by no means hand over their provision to those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, so that they may be equal with them in respect thereof. Is it then the grace of Allah that they deny?

[nocturne dome]

if evolution doesnt exist and all, how is there a big variety of species?

[thorny steeple]

Man what does that has to do with slavery

It talks about women

[feral river]

well it's unfalsible which means you can never proof quran was wrong, but science is falsible.

just like you can never proof that I'm the god.

but does that mean that I'm god ?

[thorny steeple]

Women who commit adultery

[hot galleon]

I think you need to have an objective vision when you read the Quoran

[cerulean ore]

Now for my own sanity, I'll prefer not to engage in conversation with you because it's really arduous to argue with someone whose whole creed relies on fictional stories

[thorny steeple]

Anyone can prove you're not God lol

[nocturne dome]

yes u r a god

[feral river]

if you think a thing is right because you can't proof it's wrong, then I would say I'm god because you can't proof I'm not the god

[feral river]

nope. no one can literally proof it

[cerulean ore]

It is and I shared it just for the purpose of reality check

[feral river]

but we can proof 1+1=2, that is science.

[thorny steeple]

Do u understand arabic

[thorny steeple]

You embrace fictional beliefs, while I possess substantial logical evidence supporting my own perspective; nonetheless, evading the discourse appears to be a straightforward choice for you.

[cerulean ore]

Womp womp

[hot galleon]

the excuse of translation... Many Muslims use this excuse lol

[thorny steeple]

Man u understood the Quran wrongly

[thorny steeple]

Perhaps what your question presumes is that "there are a variety of species, therefore evolution is true", but why isn't it an all-knowing all-wise God creating them all?
Even the findings that might be used to suggest evolution, although I believe they are no proof, are against the notion that genetic mutations are random, and natural selection is blind, so I believe it's irrational to believe in evolution even in the slightest without at least admitting it should be directed.

If u want to understand it

[thorny steeple]

Proved your sanity

Take it from Trusted sources

Like tfsir bn ktir

[hot galleon]

No u because I don't explain the Quran I use tafsir

[nocturne dome]

but if an all-knowing god made the, canu prove that a god made that

[silver vault]

Logical evidence while saying in an argument that yeh 'but the Qur'an says this'

[thorny steeple]

Qur'an says what

@thorny steeple I advice you to disengage, at this point, they are not sincerely wanting an explanation, but rather, want to disprove Islam in any way possible.

[vapid hare]

that's the go-to strategy really

[thorny steeple]

I didn't put forward any Quranic statment lol

[formal scaffold]

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20-21

[hot galleon]

Yeah lmao, the Quran is true because the Quran says it's true lmao

[silver vault]

That's all they have

[hot galleon]

Do you know what is a slave ?

[formal scaffold]

Lol

[feral river]

proof god please.

[thorny steeple]

Then make one

[formal scaffold]

sugar coat it for me pls

[feral river]

why would I trust something doesn't exist ?

proof it if you think you can

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple
You can clearly see how their mockery of its principles reflect their bias.

[hot galleon]

For you it's normal that a person have a slave even though it's 2024 ?

[thorny steeple]

Prove that you are God as you said

[formal scaffold]

the bible didn't state that you should change your laws in 2024 as I know

[thorny steeple]

They r literally mistaking the quaran according to what they want to see

[formal scaffold]

it's you who don't like it anymore

[feral river]

yes I can't prove it, so you either can't

[hot galleon]

Yeah I need a proof of god to believe of it

[thorny steeple]

Ok prove

[feral river]

you have freedom to believe whatever you want even you can't prove aren't you ?

[nocturne dome]

they ARE minecraft so they r god

[feral river]

done.

[formal scaffold]

you are a trash if you think so with all due respect

[thorny steeple]

Maybe that's why everyone coming to Islam

[silver vault]

Yeh dude mockery of men imprisoning their wives in a room until they die really is an issue

Atleast we should take it more seriously

[hot galleon]

There are many people who leave islam

[thorny steeple]

Haha what a double standards and logic

[feral river]

I don't think anyone needs that in anywhere, they can leave it anytime they want

[formal scaffold]

it's all relative you chose nowadays rules as your normes and you compared the holy books to them, you got your morality from humans that looks for their own benefit before anything

[feral river]

but you can't leave food, water

[hot galleon]

I have respect for human not for idea... and you don't have the permission to insult me

[formal scaffold]

don't dectate it on us, live and let live

[feral river]

you can leave islam but you can't leave food, water even mobile phone

[thorny steeple]

There are more people coming to Islam than leave lol

[hot galleon]

Of course not

But you can believe that

[thorny steeple]

Ofcourse yes, look at the statistics

I believe u can't even creat a mosquito wing not even using science, have you ever tried looking into your confidence your body with confidence how It's made with perfect shapes, perfect details, have you ever tried looking into everything that surrounds you would you be able to create such things..

[formal scaffold]

I do think it's trash to insult a book based on one verse if u take it as an insult it's your issue not mine

[hot galleon]

Give me statistics

[feral river]

your belief change nothing, if you think world runs like what you believe, why you are not a god ?

[formal scaffold]

taking anything out of context will mostly lead to a wrong conclusion

[thorny steeple]

World does not run as we think tho

[feral river]

yes

[formal scaffold]

wether that pleases u or not, you are doing so

[thorny steeple]

What you have understood as the term "God" and my understanding are way different

[hot galleon]

No Quran and Bible are not humans there are ideas like I have the permission to insult Nazism because it's not a human people but an idea

[silver vault]

What about the people who have been through the same trajectory because of this ideology?

[hot galleon]

You don't know what is the definition of idea

I respect humans no ideas

[formal scaffold]

wym?

[feral river]

maybe, I just think I don't need to trust anything which can't be proofed.

god is a thing you can't proof.

[formal scaffold]

lazy conclusion means you are the insult you came up with

[thorny steeple]

U can

[feral river]

nope.

leave god I still live, leave food and water I died

[thorny steeple]

What brought you into this world?

[feral river]

my mom and my dad having an amazing night

[hot galleon]

No because it's not prohibe to insult an idea even thought is exaggerated

Contrary to insult an human

[thorny steeple]

Were humans here before in this universe

[feral river]

evolution

[thorny steeple]

Before ur mom and dad

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

[hot galleon]

Like what you did

[cerulean ore]

But that doesn't exist in the Qur'an

[formal scaffold]

it's logical to call someone trash if he just read the title of a book and says it's trash based on just that

[feral river]

yes so why would I care 🤣

why would I care Quran

what is that I don't even know

[cerulean ore]

It's illogical to debate with prejudiced people

[hot galleon]

No I read Quran

[thorny steeple]

Proof: this word cannot exist without a cause or energy, that is God.

[formal scaffold]

what's the best thing you read in it?

[feral river]

so it's a material ?

[vapid hare]

why are we even debating with them then 💀

[feral river]

or it's something we don't exactly know ? like dark energy ?

[cerulean ore]

They'll keep on pivoting until you finally decide to capitulate

[feral river]

what is that

[grave temple]

What is broski saying

[thorny steeple]

As I believe, he may or may not have a physical form. A cause doesn't mean a material

[hot galleon]

This book hasn't any good thing

[thorny steeple]

I believe that thinking 1.8 billion people in the world are following a religion where you imprison your wives in a room until they die might really be a disrespectful thought to them all, instead of trying to disprove of it, we could discuss it in a civil manner, without mockery, and without insults and swears. I believe if we do have a civil discussion similar to what I'm describing right now, both of us will benefit a lot, other than that I would simply disengage so that I don't waste your time and my time.

[feral river]

god exist because you believe, doesn't mean it's proofable.

[thorny steeple]

What I'm saying is, as the science says, nothing can come to existence with a cause.

[feral river]

or you believe it can be proofed.

[formal scaffold]

ch 1 vers 6 of living life like an atheist; thy name is ryad, thy shalt be trated like an arab muslim, thy shalt showcase yr hate to islam for french to accept you, amen

[grave temple]

Is this more logical than being to see the process of evolution

[vapid hare]

bro is saying that the universe wasn't created out of thin air and that there is a creator behind all of this (I'm just explaining)

[cerulean ore]

I am an ex-muslim so I sometimes get this voice in the back of my head that says 'I can fix them🥰' even though it's completely irrational to do so

[formal scaffold]

see that speaks volume, you didn't read shit

[thorny steeple]

So you think you were something and then your genetics developed to become something a human, the chimp hypothesis?، How could you unleash something so vile upon yourself as a human being? Animals lack a certain area that allows them to make decisions and become aware. They lack a mind, while you have this. How can an irrational being, that is, develop into a rational being?

[hot galleon]

Lol I don't care about what of people thinking on me, I just say what I think, for me islam is a lie

[thorny steeple]

Even if evolution is proven, inorder to this universe come to an existence it surely has a cause, don't you think?

[hollow path]

Hi

[formal scaffold]

even if you lick the french boots after they killed your ancesstor, they'll always treat you the same

[feral river]

chimp hypothesis ?

[grave temple]

Explain why humans have a tailbone?

[hot galleon]

Why would I respect an religious that I'm considering wrong ?

[grave temple]

God created us like that?

[feral river]

what are you talking about

[thorny steeple]

Creation began with Adam and Adam was human. Who created Adam? It is God

[thorny steeple]

Haha looks like it's fun to repeat same thing over and over again

[formal scaffold]

yeah yeah, since you can make claims about islam without reading it, i think it's just to judge you without knowing u too

[feral river]

because you can't say it's wrong 🤣

[formal scaffold]

hope they accept you boi, cause hell is a hell of a price

[feral river]

this is the truth as I said

I'm the god who the hell is calling me ?

[grave temple]

my bad guys

[thorny steeple]

How did this word came into existence according to you?

[feral river]

"send him to the hell"

[hot galleon]

You are a very good joker lmao, you juste have the hatred against French people

[formal scaffold]

i don't have to lick their boots to proove i don't hate them, like u

[thorny steeple]

Instead of making foolish argument use some logic. As I said earlier, God is not a human looking person sitting in sky as you thought it is

[feral river]

because someone believe this abstract stuff like an art.

that's easy

[formal scaffold]

freedom of speech, but only when it suits them

[thorny steeple]

Not only that, it's nothing but completely random genetic mutations creating the most complex life forms, and creating what Richard Dawkins describes as "pseudo-purpose" for your different organs and their functionalities, all of those things are according to the evolution are mere chances.

[feral river]

like a fictional story

we like to hear fictional story not believe

[nocturne dome]

Every person doesnt believe in the same parts

[thorny steeple]

Haha no point in talking to you

[feral river]

who the hell will believe fictional story

[hot galleon]

I have no hatred lol I just say that religions are lies that's all

[nocturne dome]

Wdym bro mickey mouse is real

[vapid hare]

billions of people it seems

[grave temple]

Ok, then how do we know the existence of God?

[thorny steeple]

Not me

[nocturne dome]

I saw him at disney world

[formal scaffold]

yet you judge it based on one verse that is out of context lol

[feral river]

damn, what the hell, the santa is real!

santa!!!

I would say it's ridiculous 🤣

really funny bro

like a child

[hot galleon]

More than 4 billions people believed earth is flat, that's just a question of time, islam will be disappeared

[grave temple]

You dont believe in evolution, you dont believe in God, what do you believe in?

[thorny steeple]

The human body arises from a very precise strip called the “primary strip,” which is created by God’s power, on the fifteenth day of fertilization of the egg and its implantation in the wall of the uterus. Following its appearance, the fetus is formed with all its layers, especially the nervous system and the beginnings of the formation of both the spine and the rest of the body’s organs. Because God has given this precise tape the ability to stimulate cells to divide, specialize, differentiate, and assemble into specialized tissues and integrated organs that cooperate to carry out all the functions of the body. The first genetic code. It has been proven that this initial strand disappears except for a small part of it, which remains at the end of the spine, which is the tailbone.The Messenger spoke about it before science discovered it, and it is the part that does not decompose when a person dies

[vapid hare]

he believes in himself

[feral river]

how ?

[formal scaffold]

you yapp about slavery yet you won't say anything about todays 9-5 in france, they work you till the age of 70, that's slavery with exta steps if you ask me (35 hours)

[feral river]

what is that god's power 🤣

[hot galleon]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

God placed it because from it man will be resurrected in the afterlife

[feral river]

please give me further explain I don't understand

how is that placed ?

a material instantly summoned ?

[thorny steeple]

When you see a painting don't you think it has an artist? Or when you see a smartphone don't you think it has a maker? We humans and this earth is more complicated than all of that, and logically, we did not just started existence out of nowhere, even if you believe in evolution or any other theory, this universe had a begining and as per science it says nothing can come to existence without a cause.

[thorny steeple]

Have u ever studied biology?

[nocturne dome]

Personally .y maker is my mother. Idk abt u tho

[feral river]

show me biology article with god.

show me even one biology article with unproofable stuff

[hot galleon]

I'm the first who complaining about the 9-6, I'm the first who critize any problems which distrub me, life is not perfect isn't it ?

[feral river]

don't show me some shit students made their freaking essays

[thorny steeple]

The word Muslim is driven from the Arabic verb "اسلم" which means "submitting", and in the context of Islam it means submitting to Allah who is all-knowing all-wise and following every piece of Islam.
In the Qur'an,, Allah says "Then, you are those [same ones who are] killing one another and evicting a party of your people from their homes, cooperating against them in sin and aggression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their eviction was forbidden to you. So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allāh is not unaware of what you do." [2:85]

[feral river]

I don't care

[feral river]

"The pope, how many divisions he have" - Stalin

[formal scaffold]

you'll be arabe no matter what u do, even eric zemmour couldn't change the zemmour part, seeing people destroying their identites to please others disgust me

[nocturne dome]

Yo question why tf u call allah well allah. It just means god in arabic. For christians who have the same god, they translate well the word god in other languages

[hot galleon]

I'm not a fan of Zemmour I don't like his ideas ... and no I'm French with Arabic origins and I'm proud of this origins

[thorny steeple]

No, in Islam the word "Allah" is actually a name.

[feral river]

MakeAmericaGreatAgain, it's just like this, ReviveTheSovietUnion, and Chineseunification we know that's spreading influence.

they think we don't know their manner of doing this

[thorny steeple]

Anyways, I'm disengaging now. 👋

If you are against being open to our opinions and are not ready to accept discussion, then close your opinions like cattle, even worse.

Then we should stop

Every time a group is cast therein, its keeper will ask: "Did no warner come to you?" 9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: 'Allâh never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.

Have u ever thought after death

What's going to happen

[thorny steeple]

This is after death

[feral river]

well yes definitely

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple Remember what I told you, don't waste your time if the other person is not sincere and open-minded, in such case they wouldn't believe in anything you say and will probably just argue for the sake of arguing. Believe me it would be a waste of time and energy.

[feral river]

after death I will be the leader of the universe and I have ability do to whatever I want.

[thorny steeple]

Are you a Muslim?

[feral river]

that's what will happen after death

[hot galleon]

nothing will happen after death

[thorny steeple]

Ur death how will u lead the universe?

Why not ruling it now?

[feral river]

because I'm not dead

[thorny steeple]

What if it will happen

[feral river]

I'm living good

pretty good

[thorny steeple]

Exactly, and I conclude with this: Every time a group is cast therein, its keeper will ask: "Did no warner come to you?" 9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: 'Allâh never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.

The world dies, but minecraft_652 lives on 😔

[hot galleon]

was there something before you birth ?

[feral river]

damn that's crazy I didn't even expected that.

[thorny steeple]

Yes there was

[thorny steeple]

There wasn't because we didn't exist, we are only bound to time after we come into existence

[feral river]

just like as I said, after death I will be the leader of the universe and I have ability to do whatever I want.

please call me, supreme leader!

[thorny steeple]

Do u guys believe in devil?

[solar quest]

not really

havent seen one

[hot galleon]

I will still don't respect God to consider only religious things to judge an human people, the best thing for me it's to a good life (work, kind, etc.)

[silver vault]

Maybe it's just because you're more concerned with defending your beliefs, no matter how irrational or unsupported they may be..

[hot galleon]

That's the same thinking of Marc Aurèle

A big philosopher

[vapid hare]

it's cause you are the devil rey

[thorny steeple]

So how do u explain quaran mentioning things that only science is discovering now

[silver vault]

Omg not this again

Wait

[solar quest]

u everywhere anywhere

[vapid hare]

I am omnipotent after all

[hot galleon]

Lol scientifics Quran miracls is the biggest bullsh*t of the history

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but how do u explain it

[hot galleon]

Quran says many wrong scientific things

[thorny steeple]

There were no machines or anything like that

Mohammad was married to a five year old girl

[thorny steeple]

But science have proven it's true

[silver vault]

There you go @thorny steeple
We've been through this over and over again

[hot galleon]

For example in Quran Allah says that bones is created before flesh that's a huge scientific error

[vapid hare]

@thorny steeple you are very resillient

[hot galleon]

Scientifics don't care about this mythologic book

[silver vault]

Hard-headed would be a more appropriate term here

[thorny steeple]

Especially when mythology book was written by man who married a 5 year old girl

[solar quest]

WHTTT

[vapid hare]

weell...

[hot galleon]

Yeah completely true, juste a little bit correction but he married a 6 years old girl

[thorny steeple]

Yeah look up Mohammad’s wife. It’s crazy.

[thorny steeple]

Okay sorry, 6 years old.

[solar quest]

aisyah? which one

[silver vault]

Wasn't she like 7? @vapid hare

[solar quest]

i forgot

[vapid hare]

9 I think

[thorny steeple]

I don’t think this makes it better

[silver vault]

Ah yes

[thorny steeple]

Example:God said: {And you see the earth lifeless, but when We send down water upon it, it shakes and grows and produces every delightful kind.) Science confirms that the earth actually shakes when rain descends on it, so grains and bulbs Tubers, vesicles, bacteria, and spores all initiate movement and cell division, absorb water, and break down complex food into units. Less connected, more in number, and larger in size. As the pores of the earth are filled with water, the clay particles move, and a strange process of ionization begins in the soil molecules. Earthworms are active in digging underground tunnels, swallowing large quantities of cohesive soil, and then taking it out disintegrated. All of these activities lead to Increase soil volume,

[silver vault]

Yeh but if you get anything wrong about this, it will immensely hurt their sentiments

[vapid hare]

still pretty bad 💀

[hot galleon]

No she was 6 years old whe Muhammed married here and she was 9 years old when they make loves

[thorny steeple]

All I see is a grown man married a child and people revere him as a saint.

[solar quest]

FR?

[thorny steeple]

That’s even worse

[hot galleon]

Yes

[hot galleon]

19 Authentic hadith confirm that

[solar quest]

i thought he married her just to helped her and do nothing

[thorny steeple]

Need help with something

[solar quest]

my teacher never teach me abt islamic history, 12 years of school i just know basic muslim things

[hot galleon]

Unfortunately no...

[vapid hare]

it's cause you never paid attention to your teachers

[thorny steeple]

Ex 2 :God said: {The example of those who have taken guardians other than God as guardians is that of a spider that has taken it as a house. And indeed, the weakest of houses is the house of a spider, if they only knew.*} Scientists have found that the bonds between spider individuals are extremely disintegrated. The female often eats the male after fertilization, and she may eat her own children, and the children are eaten by each other, it is a disintegrated and crumbling house

[thorny steeple]

They don’t like teaching it because then you find out their messiah was a pedophile

But they still refuse to accept Jesus who didn’t marry any little kids

[thorny steeple]

The issue is that the Messenger married her when she was young. This is due to the difference in time. At that time, she was a girl between 5 and 9 years old. present time, she is a girl of 21-22.

[solar quest]

no im not

[thorny steeple]

She was mature and an adult

[thorny steeple]

BLEGH

[thorny steeple]

What age did Isaac married Rebeca ?

[thorny steeple]

I have no idea, and that’s Old Testament

It is not like today, a girl or a child

[hot galleon]

"Consumed his marriage" means make loves

[solar quest]

i don't think Jesus even married someone tho

[thorny steeple]

It says 9 years old he had sex with her right there.

[thorny steeple]

She was 3 lmao

[thorny steeple]

👍

[thorny steeple]

Nope, he was just a guy doing the right thing.

[formal pilot]

It's not an solid argument about Ayesha, back then it was common
(I'm on team atheist btw)

[hot galleon]

A 6 years old girl was mature ?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[silver vault]

it's true that there are many instances where scientific discoveries have confirmed or supported certain religious or spiritual beliefs and I think you kinda misunderstood her argument

[thorny steeple]

Simply because it was allowed back then I personally wouldn’t condone it.

Don't look at it based on today, but that is a time and today is different in terms of people's mentality

[thorny steeple]

And your mentality just said that a 6 year old girl is mature.

[formal pilot]

Well it was like that back then, I'm also completely against it

[thorny steeple]

Is there anything compatible with science in other religions?

[hot galleon]

So if there is a 6 years old girl "mature" can I make love with her ?

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but you see this guy is defending it because he has to defend his beliefs more than facts?

[silver vault]

@thorny steeple But You'll find that the relevant passages have as much to do with science as astrology does with current events. Yes, you can interpret those passages to multiple things, even some true science facts...but only after the fact. The true test is whether you can discover something not yet discovered by use of the Quran. And that's happened.....never.

[thorny steeple]

Bruh, there are people in some arab countries who are like 15 and looks like 20+, in the past age of puberty was 9-10 etc. And as 18 is an age set by today's standards, if they changes it to 20 after like 10 years does it mean people who married at the age of 18 are pedos?

[formal pilot]

Check this out

It's solid argument

[thorny steeple]

Nope because 18 is the legal age basically almost worldwide. Are you really excusing pedophelia because they look older??

[thorny steeple]

How about in Japan lol

[thorny steeple]

Japan has some weird consent laws

[hot galleon]

Yes it's true

That's horrible

[silver vault]

Yes, Buddhism but let's not kick the goalpost

[thorny steeple]

Idk what to do with this buddy

[feral river]

Japan 1st!

I love loli

[thorny steeple]

Dr. Doshni, an American doctor, says: “A white girl in America may begin puberty at seven or eight, and a girl of African descent at six. It is also medically proven that the first menstruation” occurs between the ages of nine and nine. And fifteen."

[hot galleon]

I'm going to leave you guys because I have a lot of homeworks bye !!

[thorny steeple]

If you take a look at age of marriage in UK a 100 years back, you wouldn't say the same yet alone age of marriage 1400 years ago

A witness from his family testified

[silver vault]

Who tf gave it a heart

[thorny steeple]

Double standards

[feral river]

fr loli so pretty

[formal pilot]

I'm gonna delete it, cuz I can't debate it rn

I'll be back

[feral river]

don't you think that's pretty ?

[solar quest]

thts disgusting

[thorny steeple]

That still doesn’t mean you should be able to marry and have sex with a girl of that age. Puberty doesn’t matter. It’s still unethical.

[solar quest]

cant believe tht

[thorny steeple]

If I had the same mentality, that I do now I would. It’s called being a decent human being and not destroying a poor 9 year old girls life.

[vapid hare]

jadi ateis??

[nocturne dome]

thats in our present society same as how slaves were accepted in older societies

[silver vault]

My guy that's a whole lotta bullshit you've been fed. The average marriage age was never 7-9, especially not in western countries. And maturity of a 9 year old was still the same as it is today biologically, changes happen over the span of hundreds of years

[solar quest]

a 9 yo kids should play and adventuring like dora ☠️

[thorny steeple]

I see a lot of people okay with a 50 year old man having sex with a 9 year old girl instead of saying it’s wrong.

[solar quest]

ga gtu lah

[thorny steeple]

She was an adult and a mature, she loved her husband and accepted him .she knew to whom she is getting married she was aware

Means she was not a child

[thorny steeple]

She was 9

[silver vault]

She was groomed

[thorny steeple]

She was 9 years old and her husband was 50

[vapid hare]

we're trekking into pedo territory here tbh

[silver vault]

God these people are really disgusting

[thorny steeple]

100%

[thorny steeple]

،I told you that that time is different from this time, and that a nine-year-old girl back then is 21 years old today.

[thorny steeple]

I understand it’s all ancient and customs were different. But the way they defend it so passionately.

[thorny steeple]

That sounds wrong on too many levels

[grave temple]

Okay bro

[feral river]

different places with different standard and law, don't think it's out of your mind

[grave temple]

That is just digusting

[pallid owl]

what's wrong about having two dads

[grave temple]

It doesnt make sense

[thorny steeple]

Exactly, that's why this was 1400 years ago

[feral river]

everyone has their different stardards about thing

like loli

loli 1st

[charred talon]

doesn't change the fact that there was a 40 year age gap 💀

[solar quest]

valid

[silver vault]

And then they go on to say "why do people question only Islam" like bro have you seen the shit you spout??

[thorny steeple]

In Islam marriage without consent is forbidden, in the it was with consent and she was fully aware

[silver vault]

tf are you on about?

[nocturne dome]

*conenset of the parents

i dont think chidren's consent rly ever counted in htose case

[solar quest]

noway kid hv consent

[nocturne dome]

s

[thorny steeple]

Age gap is preference, if a 30 year old woman marry 50 years old guy no one cares

[grave temple]

Yeah, its called arranged marriages

[thorny steeple]

At least we don't say we have one god but that god is devided into 3 gods , or We don't worship idols that we make with our own hands

[solar quest]

they adult

[grave temple]

Its the same god

[nocturne dome]

How does that help your case

[grave temple]

not divided in 3

[thorny steeple]

So she was

[vapid hare]

are you talking about the holy trinity?

[silver vault]

Oh yeh that sounds a lot more awful than marrying a literal child

[thorny steeple]

Because they are both adults not a little 9 year old girl.

[grave temple]

are you talking about the 3 abrahmic religions?

[solar quest]

whts tht, i only knew tht hoky trinity manhwa

[thorny steeple]

seriously I’m baffled how you can’t see that it’s wrong for a 50 year old man to marry a 9 year old girl.

[nocturne dome]

Nah it's more like percentage of life. if u nine and u marry a 50 years old. that's more than 5 times ur age. 30 to 50 is less than double ur age

[solar quest]

true

[thorny steeple]

That's what I'm telling, maturity of people are different now and then, for example if you go to counties like palastine you can see 14 years old more matured than an average 21 year old American

[vapid hare]

istilah di agama kristen

[solar quest]

oalah

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[thorny steeple]

That child would still be 14. Doesn’t matter if they are more mature they are still 14.

You have a problem buddy

[silver vault]

Nesrine, I'm surprised by your convenient use of ad-hominem there but it's literally making your argument look awful

[grave temple]

You stil didnt answer my question buddy

[charred talon]

might wanna take into consideration that she was 9

[thorny steeple]

Jesus was a human , Idols do not speak ,but when u see everything around you that tells you that there is one God u deny it

[thorny steeple]

Ok, so? Maturity of mind is what mattered in the past, age of marriage of 18 wasn't set before like 100 years ago, research on that with that big brain of yours

[nocturne dome]

why are u getting to christianity

[solar quest]

i think we should not talk bad abt other believe

[charred talon]

why would it not matter today though...

[nocturne dome]

ye respect others beliefs and stay polite

[thorny steeple]

I am listing the facts, because you oppose Islam when it is the most realistic view

[feral river]

Is there anyone who is mastering stable diffusion ? I'm confused about several features.

[thorny steeple]

Might wanna take consideration that age of marriage as 18 was not set up until 100 years ago, and agreeing with you means your forefathers was pedos according to you?

[vapid hare]

wonge agak intoleran 💀

[solar quest]

astaghfirullah

[charred talon]

i do agree, minor marriages were very common back then

[grave temple]

this doesnt make sense

[nocturne dome]

islam shares part of the view of christianity and judaism. im none of the 3

[charred talon]

they set the legal age of marriage because of this issue

[silver vault]

Bro when asked about aisha's age you literally pivoted to Buddhism and other religions. This is like the biggest way to cope I've ever seen here

[thorny steeple]

Because people changed. Now you can see 21 year old "kids"

[vapid hare]

isn't that called whataboutism

[silver vault]

Oh yeh

[thorny steeple]

I literally tried to explain it but u guys r just trying to deny everything, back then and now r 2 different times

[thorny steeple]

You’re really mad that I think it’s wrong to have sex with children who are 9

[nocturne dome]

why would u need to go to other religions to prove ur religion. idk abt others but im atheist so using other religions wont rly help u

[silver vault]

I think you're the only logical muslim I've ever encountered in my life

[thick crown]

Hi !
what subject are you talking about ?

[vapid hare]

there's no way I'm your first wth

[solar quest]

we just share opinion tho

[grave temple]

save yourself. leave.

[thorny steeple]

Some said that Islam is the only religion who speaks unreasonable things

[thorny steeple]

Yes, today it is and I agree, AS I SAID A 100 TIMES, AGE OF MARRIAGE AS 18 WAS NOT A COMMON THING AS NOW BEFORE A 100 YEARS AGO, AND THIS CASE IS A 1400 YEARS AGO

[charred talon]

dude the person is a legit child

their reproductive system isnt even developed yet

[grave temple]

Not the only religion

[solar quest]

where? who?

[thorny steeple]

Proving the truthfulness of islam

[thorny steeple]

So why should I respect someone who married a 6 year old girl? Mohammad was a pedo

[nocturne dome]

u should rly not join u will regret this. whatever side ur on, ur gonna lose braincells

[thorny steeple]

...

[silver vault]

No literally, you're the only muslim here who's able to provide coherent and sensible stances on these topics

[solar quest]

u guys shouldnt attack him he just sharing his opinion

[thorny steeple]

I’m not attacking him, I’m attacking the 50 year old man who married a poor six year old girl.

[solar quest]

no, im just defending u

[thorny steeple]

"age of puberty" biologically people changes like within 100+ years and this was 1400 years ago, please put that logical brain into work as you are a scientific person

[feral river]

the problem of some muslim is disrespect other's religion, thought, ideas, using their stance to enforce ideas over everyone.

but I don't think anyone will accept this bullshit.

[vapid hare]

I'm just observing though 💀 what sensible stances did I provide exactly besides basic common sense

[thick crown]

And why is that ?

[thorny steeple]

So you are saying your forefathers was also pedo

[grave temple]

Yes indeed i changes but it decreases not increases

[charred talon]

let's be conservative and say the age did vary. are they not humans? why would humans beforehand not develop somewhat similarly as us?

[nocturne dome]

who

[grave temple]

this is not a fun place for you to be in right now.

[silver vault]

think about what you just said logically and I think you should research more about stockholm syndrome

[thorny steeple]

I have 1.7 gpa am I Cooked?

[thorny steeple]

Don't you guys believe in theory of evolution 💀💀

[charred talon]

lock in 🗣️

[charred talon]

yeah why would i not

[nocturne dome]

this channel is not that type of serious but good question

[solar quest]

u guys there are no solid true and wrong in religion

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[grave temple]

evolution doesnt happen in 100 years

💀

[thorny steeple]

And then why is a biological change over a 1400 years hard to believe lol

[charred talon]

biological changes happens over tens of thousands of years

[thorny steeple]

Indeed it doesn't

[charred talon]

look at neanderthals and homo erectus

[thorny steeple]

**biological changes

[nocturne dome]

cuz ppl in those days and ages wouldnt even live long enough for that

[thorny steeple]

That's small change

[charred talon]

idk the exact numbers but it happened in a span of +100000 years

[grave temple]

no this isnt what I mean

[nocturne dome]

so there's a problem somehwere in there

[thorny steeple]

You guys are providing yourselves wrong with every arguments

[grave temple]

evolution doesnt change drastically in only a few hundred years

[thorny steeple]

Indeed

[charred talon]

theres no way this guy's not trolling

[thorny steeple]

You don’t even know who my forefathers are

[thorny steeple]

Use genetics

[grave temple]

Woah what

[thick crown]

Is this a joke? How can you know if I'm looking for a fun place ?

[grave temple]

no need to attack someone

[solar quest]

our conversation hurting my brain😩

[thorny steeple]

Yeah yeah, every one of them was married after 18 years of age

[grave temple]

Please make this conversation civil.

[vapid hare]

wes jelas kau ga paham 90% debat iki 💀

[grave temple]

Its not a joke. this place is bad. save yourself.

[nocturne dome]

this is worse than serious. this is depressive

[nocturne dome]

how does that help ur case

[thorny steeple]

I’m about to start spreading democracy

[thorny steeple]

Cambrian explosion is a set of discovered species that (according to the evolution interpretation) evolved in an incredibly rapid pace, so NO, they don't take so long to "evolve".

[vapid hare]

boutta start spreading democracy america-style HOOORAAHH

[charred talon]

ight i messed up my stats 💀 the evolution between homo erectus and neanderthals happened in a span of a million years

[thorny steeple]

USA USA USA USA USA

[thorny steeple]

Homo erectus

[thick crown]

So why don't you follow your own advice ? leave this place !

[nocturne dome]

yo i think we went far enough in this subject

[charred talon]

i think its safe to assume if a distinguishable evolution happened in a million years the age of puberty cant change that much in the span of a few hundred

[grave temple]

The cambrian explosion lasted 13-25 million years.

[nocturne dome]

we cant. it's too late for us

[grave temple]

No.

[solar quest]

our country democracy suck

[nocturne dome]

yo let's change subjects,

[charred talon]

🦅

[nocturne dome]

this is a good subject

[thorny steeple]

Homo erectus

[charred talon]

real

[vapid hare]

mantul 😔

[solar quest]

this year election is chaos

[thorny steeple]

Whenever you guys can't provide enough argument yes

[charred talon]

do you have any?

[thorny steeple]

50 year old man marrying 6 year old girl is wrong

[grave temple]

This is legit a fallacy bro

your arguments are all the same

[charred talon]

and they're all debunkable 💀

[solar quest]

true

[grave temple]

until now, i dont even know what were your arguments

💀

[charred talon]

*now 🤓

[thorny steeple]

He’s mad mohhamad is a pedo

[solar quest]

same

[charred talon]

hes defending a 44 year age gap in marriage

between a 50 yr old and a 6 yr old

[thorny steeple]

With a child keep that in mind

[grave temple]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[thorny steeple]

According to today's standards, yes I agree. And I mentioned earlier, this standards wasn't set before 100-200 years ago.

[thorny steeple]

Didn’t ask

[solar quest]

lmao

[grave temple]

nah brody aint no way pulled out the "didnt ask"

[charred talon]

💀 😭

[vapid hare]

who asked? moment

[nocturne dome]

yos

[grave temple]

Its still morally wrong

[thorny steeple]

Who cares

[feral river]

contemporary standard.

[nocturne dome]

humans let's start talking abt smthg else. this has been going for like 24 hours

[grave temple]

it doesnt mean if standards werent set, that it is morally right

[charred talon]

nah i like this

[thorny steeple]

What's moral for an atheist lmao

[charred talon]

this goes harder than ecr

[solar quest]

why should you defend him, he's dead thousand years ago tho

[charred talon]

atheists arent allowed to have moral beliefs anymore..?

[thorny steeple]

Lmao you can't say anything loli fan

[solar quest]

thts sad🥺

[feral river]

why ?

[thorny steeple]

Can’t text

[charred talon]

nah bros mega lost 💀

[feral river]

I'm proud of that I'm a loli fan

[charred talon]

real

[grave temple]

so your assuming, because a person is atheist, they dont have morals

this is a fallacy

its being human makes you have morals

not being religious or a non believer

[feral river]

moral doesn't matter when it comes to interest.

[grave temple]

This is the WHOLE POINT of human sentience

[feral river]

interest 1st.

[solar quest]

true

[thorny steeple]

Morality of atheists change from person to person. There are cannibalism supporting atheists

[feral river]

interest 1st for almost everyone.

[formal pilot]

Yes we've consciousness

[feral river]

even moral is for interest

[grave temple]

and theres cannibalism supporting religious people?

[solar quest]

im muslim, but my other muslim friend really suck and fanatic i dont like them

[charred talon]

so you're just gonna take that cannibalism supporting minority and associate it with every atheist?

[nocturne dome]

ye cuz atheist isnt a religion

[solar quest]

bjir ketik apa gw

[charred talon]

bludzo answer your dms

[grave temple]

Religion is a guideline for morality but it doesnt mean that as soon you believe something that all of your morals change instantly

[nocturne dome]

you cant put an etiquette on atheists

[thorny steeple]

They only lasted 50 - 100 before they gone extinct, that has nothing to do with how it was an "explosion" of species.
In addition, that at this stage of evolution the complexity of organisms should of been way lower than that, yet they are complete species, not simple ones.

[nocturne dome]

we're all different. atheist is just the concept of not having a religion

[vapid hare]

tak laporkan ke kemenag ri kau

[solar quest]

idc

[nocturne dome]

the world existed for billions of years how is millions at lot

[vapid hare]

I thought you guys were one monolithic group before I knew better honestly

[solar quest]

you know in Islam you are taught to respect each other

[charred talon]

individual differences maybe?

[nocturne dome]

lmao

[grave temple]

A lot of them didnt go extinct. Almost all present day animal phyla appeared during this period.

[charred talon]

mb didnt mean to say it like that 💀

i cant read 💀

[solar quest]

anjir otakku capek

[nocturne dome]

im lost

[charred talon]

thought you were another one of these trolls lmfao 💀

[vapid hare]

what do atheists differ on though in terms of position/stances and stufff?

[solar quest]

lets talk abt politics

[feral river]

one question, if you think moral is so important and what do you think of selfish ?

[nocturne dome]

we follow science and debate abt politics

[thorny steeple]

Anyway we ve been giving arguments for like 2 h , if it's islma is incorrect, then please go ahead and prove is why any religion u believe in is more appropriate

[nocturne dome]

ye plz lets debate on politics

[vapid hare]

ah so you guys differ like politically then?

[nocturne dome]

we can continue this later

[solar quest]

☝🏻

[vapid hare]

ojo politik bgst

[solar quest]

ben

[thorny steeple]

The ones that didn't go extinct are few compared to the others at that period.
Now you'll have to explain how did this amount of divergent species evolve in a very rapid pace, through random mutations that are based on chance, and seemingly without as much of "transitional fossil record" if any "transitional fossils" even exist, especially that at this stage, those species should've been the actual transitional fossils, yet we don't see that.

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

[nocturne dome]

u do understand that the explosion wasnt like a 💥 right?

it was like a flavor explosion so like an explosion of species so like mroe species

[thorny steeple]

No problem, I'd like to see their common ancestry, or good evidence that links them to each other, and their transitional fossils if possible.

ooga booga??

Especially that the Cambrian level is the deepest after the pre-cambrian you can get in the layers of earth to find fossils.

Ooga booga

[charred talon]

real

[thorny steeple]

Ooga

[charred talon]

unga

[thorny steeple]

BOOGA

violent grunts

whts the topic?

[charred talon]

good question

[vapid hare]

the topic is OOGA BOOGA of course

[thorny steeple]

this is serious chat

yk

[vapid hare]

no fun allowed!!!!

[thorny steeple]

Another thing is that phylum Bryozoa existed since the Cambrian period, and they have not evolved yet, that's way longer than even us as humans, according to evolution, to be fully evolved species.

[thorny steeple]

ik

well anything abt mental health

introvertedness

anyone?

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

[wooden nest]

guys, do you want to participate the debate event? it's about free will

https://discord.com/events/801609515391778826/1205077270390374430

[thorny steeple]

I’m interested

Is it in vc?

[wooden nest]

yes! It is happening right now on debate-club Vc

[thorny steeple]

Oh I can’t vc im at work

Maybe next time

[wooden nest]

that's okay! thank you for replying tho

[fierce wave]

Hlo guys

[nocturne dome]

hello

[nocturne dome]

links what

@thorny steeple my friends were curious if you believed in the moon landing. ik it's fucking random but they were curious ig

[formal pilot]

[grave temple]

Your perception of evolution is completely wrong.

[north wedge]

Let's just not.

[grave temple]

The goal of evolution is when a species evolves when a problem arises in order to counteract to the said problem.

[nocturne dome]

2 late

theyve been going for 24 hours now

[grave temple]

The Bryozoa in the case, didn't need to, as no problem happened.

[north wedge]

I mean this debate in itself is pretty compelling yk, people have been arguing over this for years n years

Still thou we don't ever really get anywhere

[neon badger]

if thats the case then why do bears eat fish?

[dry lodge]

All of this debate began like 72h ago💀

Then a message from a mod (should have) stopped them

[formal scaffold]

When science ventures outside its field of study

[dry lodge]

And now they are debating on other stuff ig💀

[neon badger]

yeah but like when does history ever do that?

[nocturne dome]

from what i saw they went to dms

[nocturne dome]

there was a small part that went to god and islam

[minor coyote]

but when did the first cow get milked

[dry lodge]

💀💀💀💀💀💀

[nocturne dome]

and then back to evolution

[nocturne dome]

and then they came back

[dry lodge]

Oh hell nah💀

[neon badger]

wtf are you talking about? Bears eat fish even though theyre in water so that doesn't make any sense

[dry lodge]

Will check this channel tomorrow ig💀

[minor coyote]

but fish run and bears swim so that dosen't make any sense

[north wedge]

Bruh

[thorny steeple]

hello

[dry lodge]

Well cya

[neon badger]

bears cant swim lmaoo

[north wedge]

Cyaa

[minor coyote]

wait i thought bears were the first to reach jupiter

[north wedge]

I think he's just being sarcastic

Cause aint no way..

[nocturne dome]

bro stop the cap

[formal scaffold]

Polar bears do right?

[grave temple]

But bears evolved directly from dinosaurs

[nocturne dome]

fish eat bears

[grave temple]

and they have fins

[neon badger]

then why do they stay on icebergs when they melt

[north wedge]

I just saw that happen yesterday

[grave temple]

no because bears are fish

[minor coyote]

i thought polar bears were yellow

[grave temple]

they can breath underwater

[formal scaffold]

Bc they can't swim that long

[nocturne dome]

how big was the fish

[grave temple]

they swim bro

[neon badger]

they are when they get peed on

[grave temple]

what u on like

[north wedge]

🐟

[nocturne dome]

how could they be yellow bro, they wouldnt be able to hide in their blue background. thats why theyre blue

[formal scaffold]

They. Can't breath underwater bruv

[neon badger]

swim cooldown?

[minor coyote]

but they fly to jupiter to sleep

[north wedge]

this size perfectly demonstrates it's actual scale

[grave temple]

Erm, actually, scientists in Europe discovered that Polar bears actually possess gills

You never seen a polar bear irl

[nocturne dome]

that's impossible, living things like huamns cant breathe in space. that also explains why the moon landing is fake btw

[worn bolt]

👀

[grave temple]

they did

[grave temple]

the moon landing is obviously fake

[neon badger]

if fish dont need to breathe cant they just swim in space

[grave temple]

NASA couldn't find a suitable place filming so they did on the moon

[nocturne dome]

ah maybe

[minor coyote]

wait that's accually a very good point

[nocturne dome]

maybe idk. the filming spot hasnt been figured out yet

so the fake landing being filmed on the moon kinda makes sense

[grave temple]

Obviously

Im glad you finally understand

[neon badger]

If fish can swim in space how are the bears supposed to eat them?

[minor coyote]

but wait if they filmed the moon landing on the moon where did the bear eat the fish

[nocturne dome]

they have fins so they probly breathe the space rocks

[neon badger]

so

bears can swim in space aswell

[nocturne dome]

maybe

or they just teleport to the fish

[formal pilot]

Another level of sarcasm is going on in here

[grave temple]

yeah space isnt empty all

the space rocks are actually dead frozen fish

[covert raptor]

so u think the moon landing is staged ?

the fact that we haven't been to the moon after all the technological advancements makes the skepticism valid