🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

Yeah

[feral river]

still not bad.

[onyx hazel]

everything in this world has bias, lol

[feral river]

that's how US benefit their people through war.

I think it's no problem with that.

every global power do.

[manic juniper]

Not really

[feral river]

some people doesn't promote it because they don't have power.

but we have LOL.

[manic juniper]

It is a benefit to US economy nut it doesn't benefit the average person

[narrow fossil]

Yes. But you seem to think that this dudes "proof" is somehow not bias? like i don't understand what you don't understand

[manic juniper]

Most of the times it's like that, whenever a country is looted only the higher ups share the booty while everybody else either had to do the work or even has to pay extra

[feral river]

you might know economy works, it must benefit people but the more benefit they have is for riches.

lower class also has a little benefit

[manic juniper]

The various wars USA waged didn't really ever benefit its people, except maybe WW2 because they strengthened the entire economy by getting closer to Europe's and Japan's economy

[feral river]

how ?

[onyx hazel]

"But you seem to think that this dudes "proof" is somehow not bias?"

of course no, There's no such thing as something without bias.

[feral river]

they stands up and maintain their superpower is the best for their people

which means benefit them in almost any field you can imagine

[manic juniper]

I've never heard of them getting richer because of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan

[narrow fossil]

wars expensive and it loses a large population of the work force

Countries lose a lot to maintain wars

[feral river]

after they won the war, they controlled the territory and even they put a government in power which means they can do a lot of thing in there

[narrow fossil]

expecially if you lose

[feral river]

but if you lose, that's another story

so a war is just like gambling

[narrow fossil]

skilled gambling

[feral river]

correct.

[manic juniper]

Given how many soldiers get PTSD I wouldn't say it's beneficial to them either

And in the case of USA they don't even provide enough support to those people

[feral river]

Vietnam lose, Afghanistan lose, Iraq, they controlled their government till now

[manic juniper]

Did Iraq improve the lives of Americans? Europeans and plenty others also participated, I didn't see anything positive coming in our way

[narrow fossil]

well afganistan was a not nescecaraly a loss afganistan is complicated

[manic juniper]

Maybe our leaders have heavier pockets now, how sad

[feral river]

I would say why would america improve iraqi lives ?

why would america improve iraqi lives ?

[manic juniper]

I'm talking about Americans still, not Iraqis

[feral river]

it doesn't make sense

[manic juniper]

Did Iraq improve the lives of Americans?

I didn't mention Iraqis one time

[narrow fossil]

No

[feral river]

the control of Iraq make oil selling only under US dollar.

[narrow fossil]

It just got us more ptsd soldiers coming back home

[feral river]

that's the most important thing in Iraqi war for USA

it's big for economy

a big win

[manic juniper]

But oil isn't owned by the people, not even partially like it is in Denmark or Norway

[narrow fossil]

US gets most of its oil from saudi tho

[feral river]

if they lose, their economy will be damaged by Iraqi

I think no one can tolerate

no one can tolerate another country influence their superpower status and their economy power.

if they lose, there is no such thing called oil-US dollar bound.

they must win

no matter how many bombs they drop, no matter how many soldiers they deploy, it's about economy, about their lives, about national security

about prosperity of the United States

even in here, China, we have some bias on the US, no doubt that Iraq war is mostly benefit the USA

and their people.

[manic juniper]

Iraq wasn't really about national security

[narrow fossil]

Sadam Husain was suspected (thought false) to be in kahoots with Al Quieda

so it kinda was national security in a way

[feral river]

what are you talking about ?

USA is superpower, they have power around the world

[manic juniper]

Yeah but the question was complicated, weren't the actual terrorists being hosted in another country?

[feral river]

everywhere is about their security

there is almost no where is not about US security

US is global power.

[manic juniper]

That's international security, not national

National means within their borders

[feral river]

international is based on the US

after USSR dissolved

their interest is almost covering every part of this world

even in space

[narrow fossil]

I think minecraft is just confusing national and international

[feral river]

if you think international is no relating to US's interest.

I would say international is based on their interest.

[manic juniper]

That would be foreign interests

[narrow fossil]

no international is related to US foreign intrest

[feral river]

foreign interest is important even that is US

[manic juniper]

All countries have international interests through diplomacy in a way or another

[narrow fossil]

Like Saudi is interational intrests because it is foreign to the US

[feral river]

yes but US can change that situation, they have that ability

they do because they can call a lot of their allies and sanction target nation

that's what they always doing

I'm not confusing international and national but acutally, almost every international issue is US's issue

even they care a freaking island far from their homeland

[manic juniper]

They care but it isn't a national security threat

If Taiwan gets invaded and conquered Americans will be as safe as they always used to be

[feral river]

depends whether they interfere or not.

if they interfere that would be a national security threat

a big threat from the second most powerful nation

China

[manic juniper]

Only if China sends spies in USA

[feral river]

well China do, but USA also do.

I think they all have their spy network aren't they ?

[manic juniper]

But that's national security because it's about US territory, whether overseas like bases or embassies or in their own country

Taiwan per se isn't about US national security

Their bases in Taiwan are

[feral river]

have you ever heard of 1st island chain for the US ?

[manic juniper]

Yes, it's about foreign policies and interests

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_island_chain

U.S. General Douglas MacArthur pointed out that before World War II, the US protected its western shores with a line of defense from Hawaii, Guam, to the Philippines. However, this line of defense was attacked by Japan with the Pearl Harbor bombing of 1941, thereby drawing the U.S. into the war. The US subsequently launched the air Raid on Taipei (called Taihoku under Japan's empire) and launched the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The WW2 victory allowed the US to expand its line of defense further west to the coast of Asia, and thus the US controlled the first island chain.[15] Between the end of WW2 and the Korean War, MacArthur praised Taiwan, located at the midpoint of the first island chain, as an 'unsinkable aircraft carrier'.[16]

[thorny steeple]

Actually the kulaks did it, it's written in my text, not the soviet authorities.

[hallow tendon]

no, but the next sentence could be 4 < 2 and the next one - 4 is a letter

[thorny steeple]

Anybody want to discuss paranormal stuff with me

[bleak nacelle]

Are you from Ukraine?

[manic juniper]

Finland

[bleak nacelle]

I like Finnish sauna

[steel wave]

Bro, north korean is a dictadorship actualy

watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E&t=888s

I recomend so much to watch it

[manic juniper]

I do too

[pearl mirage]

Hi guys

[bleak nacelle]

Good

[thorny steeple]

What’s your opinion about hitler?

[thorny steeple]

Man with no hummunity

And if I told you before of hitler the Jews leads Germany

And he wants to reclaim the country

[mellow trench]

Awful thing

[thorny steeple]

I don't know much about him, ideology of him is wrong

The Germany was occupied by Jews, and one bread was one barrel of golds

They was starving

Even Germany people hates him right?

The media wants to believe that

I’m from Europe

And isn’t

You mean hilter is the good guy?

Yes

Tell me why

[cerulean ore]

Hitler was a monster

[thorny steeple]

I was to auschwitz and the every room were small, they lied us

[cerulean ore]

A genocidal maniac who committed unspeakable atrocities against humanity. His ideology of hate and supremacy led to the deaths of millions of innocent people

[thorny steeple]

Germany was occupied by Jews and they killed Germany people

[thorny steeple]

Yeah! It's from your side

Let's listen to his view

Wonder you why Hitler wanted to kill? There was a scope

[cerulean ore]

the idea that Germany was 'occupied by Jews' is absurd. Jews were a minority group in Germany, and they certainly didn't control the government or military.

[thorny steeple]

Jews leads Germany, the banks, the gouverment

I mean, the Germany people was starving

[thorny steeple]

Could provide more details on this like evidence?

[cerulean ore]

There was no 'scope' to Hitler's genocide. It was driven by pure hatred and a desire for domination

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple for this also

Always there is a scope from everything

[cerulean ore]

He believed in the superiority of the Aryan race and saw anyone who didn't fit his narrow definition of 'German' as a threat

[cerulean ore]

🤡

[thorny steeple]

Yes His mindset more into controlling the whole world.

Please watch Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told

I hope you ll find on google

µ

[cerulean ore]

Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled, and many others were deemed 'undesirable' and targeted for extermination.

[thorny steeple]

If what story is manipulate?

Give it a chance

Our history is manipulated

Why this video is forbidden from YouTube

Bcs there is a true

[cerulean ore]

Yeh i would prefer to avoid the title that itself is just for content-farming

[thorny steeple]

Aryan ?

Give it a chance

[thorny steeple]

Who they are?

In this life is very good to know a lot of information from both parts

If is bad or good, you ll learn something

@cerulean ore could please explain about Aryan ?

[cerulean ore]

Knowing information about both sides doesn't justify supporting a monster like Hitler.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, they destroy this world

[cerulean ore]

The Holocaust was one of the darkest chapters in human history, and anyone who tries to justify or minimize its horrors is not only wrong but also deeply disturbed

[thorny steeple]

Bro this was a joke with holocaust

A lot of propaganda

I was there

It’s is impossible to gain millions of people to put there bcs it is very small:))

[cerulean ore]

To even suggest that there's something 'good' about knowing about both sides of this issue is beyond my comprehension

[cerulean ore]

😩

[thorny steeple]

You won’t give a chance

Your thinking is from one piece

You ll have to see the another piece

Try it

[cerulean ore]

Alright

[thorny steeple]

Because that part told by everyone. It's in molarity

[cerulean ore]

What's your credible source to get information from?

Probably yt videos

[thorny steeple]

Not yt they forbidden

Why people hide this videos??

Bcs they want to don’t show the true

[thorny steeple]

It's wrong

[manic juniper]

What? They admitted it lol

[thorny steeple]

If I kill you and say you made mistake so don't punish me, court will agree it? You need proof of authorized by government or reputed institute

[cerulean ore]

https://www.ushmm.org/antisemitism/holocaust-denial-and-distortion/evidence-documentation-holocaust

[manic juniper]

It's not like the nazis were denying the Holocaust, they knew and admitted it, documented it

[cerulean ore]

Check this out dude;)

[manic juniper]

So yes both sides, the nazis and the Jews, agree that the Holocaust happened

[thorny steeple]

Who wrote this??

[thorny steeple]

Human who have humanity

Ok I’m done:))

I can’t

Israel or Palestinie?

:))))

Man!

What's happened to you?

You want create fire on debate?

Debate

Okay

I want guys to see the real world

Bcs they lied us

I know, it’s hard to believe

Do you think having different tags like Nationality, Caste, Tribilism and Other forms of classification (by skin, god and all) splitting the peacefulness from this planet?

This is the humanity

Like animals

Is a cycle

[grim bear]

-.-

[thorny steeple]

But why

We all don't have unity between us

We are fighting for all these identity and these identity is creating a huge political game in this world

[granite hearth]

Is anyone Christian here?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

Me

[manic juniper]

Not necessarily, in the EU we all have different nationalities but we get along well

[thorny steeple]

Watch Star Trek, there is unity

[thorny steeple]

Yeah but what's other parts of world

[granite hearth]

Very true i was just curious!

[granite hearth]

i respect everyone as long as they will respect me

[manic juniper]

Other people need to learn that as well

[thorny steeple]

European built USA

[thorny steeple]

Yes all people fighting for identity race

Europe was a big impact

[granite hearth]

true

[thorny steeple]

Roman Empire

[manic juniper]

Well races don't exist, they should learn that

[thorny steeple]

A great empire

[thorny steeple]

How?

[manic juniper]

American anthropologists themselves corrected their previous notion and said that races don't exist, there is no scientific data supporting their existence

[manic juniper]

Races=subspecies of humans? What are they supposed to be? Because humans don't have subspecies for example

[thorny steeple]

Yes, human never classified into any sub species

[manic juniper]

All human populations always were connected to one another in a way, and we weren't separated for more than few thousands of years (which isn't enough to make a subspecies diverge from another)

[granite hearth]

Agreed

[manic juniper]

There is more genetic difference between a lizard from one side of the Mediterranean Sea to the other than a Nigerian and a Chinese man

[thorny steeple]

True

[manic juniper]

If you study physical anthropology, the one that studies physical differences amongst humans, you'll find that humans don't differ by a lot

[thorny steeple]

The culture is only different

[manic juniper]

You can classify people in clines and populations but even then it isn't that clear cut, and there are influences

[thorny steeple]

The survival instinct all of us have

[thorny steeple]

Yes but people created different tags and fighting for tags which is created by humans

[manic juniper]

Even that is partial, for example ancient Siberian religions influenced Norse religions

[manic juniper]

Yeah because we like to classify and put stuff into boxes, however they should learn that sometimes it's useless

Like when it comes to skin colour, Africans and Australian aborigines are both black, but they live quite far

[thorny steeple]

@manic juniper and we are not equally

[thorny steeple]

Culture we adopted once we started to moving one place to another

There is a fact, Europe US Asia build cities etc and Africa nothing

[onyx hazel]

I've already watched this video

[thorny steeple]

By birth all equal. Classified as human

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[manic juniper]

Not necessarily, there were African empires and kingdoms around the Horn of Africa (like Ethiopia)

My country Finland didn't have any city before the Swedes and Russians colonised our country

There was maybe a king but the only evidence is oral tradition

[thorny steeple]

Vikings 🙂

[manic juniper]

We weren't Vikings

[thorny steeple]

😂😂

Was they there?:)

We're humans

Just humans

Cyber where are you from?

[manic juniper]

Some settled here, but we aren't Germanic or Norse so we never were Vikings

[thorny steeple]

From earth

[manic juniper]

They used to fight our ancestors and so did we, we killed one another

[thorny steeple]

Yes

I like vikings

No depression, no bullshits

[granite hearth]

Vikings are sick

i like the romans more tho

[thorny steeple]

Sure romans the best

[onyx hazel]

This video is so good

[thorny steeple]

A huge knowledge

[steel wave]

Yeah

[manic juniper]

The Norse used to raid Eastern Romans, Eastern Romans eventually hired them with the promise of riches

[onyx hazel]

I thought you were an anti-communist guy at first

[thorny steeple]

What’s meaning tho?

[manic juniper]

They hired the Varangian guards from Sweden, the same people also founded the largest state in eastern Europe, based around modern Ukraine

[granite hearth]

nothing i was just telling my opinion! no offense lol!

[thorny steeple]

I saw in many chats

[steel wave]

I mean, I'm not a communist, I just don't trust the media

[thorny steeple]

Russian please 🙂

Ukraine doesn’t exist

[manic juniper]

Russia wasn't a thing at all

[thorny steeple]

Didn’t *

[steel wave]

There is also a article saying that "sarcasm is banned" in north korea bro

[manic juniper]

Moscow didn't even exist loool 🦾

[thorny steeple]

Russia was an empire

[manic juniper]

Russia didn't exist lmao

[thorny steeple]

And Ukraine exist?:)))

[manic juniper]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

How:)))))

[steel wave]

Like so much nonsense 🤣

[manic juniper]

🇺🇦 whose flag is this?

[thorny steeple]

Ukraine was build by Russians

I’m from Romanian and I know, these bastards are my neighbours:)

[onyx hazel]

You know, it's true. You can't breathe there, you can't step, you can't walk, you can't smile

[steel wave]

😱

[pastel valley]

Actually Soviet Union or USSR would be correct term if u guys r talking abt past

[thorny steeple]

Soviet

And if you are going in the deep past you ll de that Russia was an empire

[steel wave]

You know, people in north korea are all actors, poor north koreans 😭

[manic juniper]

It wasn't, it was built by Norse people

[manic juniper]

No, I'm talking about long before that, about Kyivan Rus'

Based in Kyiv, built by Varangian rulers, with mostly Slavic peasants

[narrow fossil]

nah acshuually its the CCCP

[thorny steeple]

The Ukrainian Bolsheviks, who had defeated the national government in Kyiv, established the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which on 30 December 1922 ...

Ukraine is Russia man, not nourse

Norse

[manic juniper]

I'm talking about the first state existing there 🤦🏼‍♀️ do you even know history

[pastel valley]

sey, dont know abt that long back 😅
here we are talking abt which century?

[manic juniper]

Kyiv was founded long before Moscow and Novgorod

[manic juniper]

Idk 10th or 11th, I don't recall now

[thorny steeple]

what a selfish thought

[pastel valley]

yes u r absolutely r8, do u k russian? 🤔

[pastel valley]

ohh wow!!

[calm sapphire]

what'cha talking about?

[thorny steeple]

what if the bias is telling the truth?

[thorny steeple]

About Ukraine it wasn’t nothing in past

[steel wave]

yo what is the topic?

[thorny steeple]

And it was build by Russia

[onyx hazel]

Soviet Union and north Korea I guess

[narrow fossil]

What if there are books writen by people living in the former soviet states contradicting what your sources say

Just a thought tho

[thorny steeple]

My country was living in URSS

[manic juniper]

Are you really Romanian? Romania wasn't in the USSR, Moldova was

Romania was just a satellite state

[thorny steeple]

Romania was a bitch 🙂

[calm sapphire]

can't say for sure here, i only know that it became a part of Rus in 10th or 9th century

[manic juniper]

Besides I was wrong, Kyiv's foundation goes back long before the 10th century

[thorny steeple]

We were with Russian, after that with Germany

[manic juniper]

It was founded in 482

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Kyiv

[thorny steeple]

Don’t believe wiki

[thorny steeple]

Can you prove it? The book is written by a citizen

It’s a bullshit wiki, you can write an article on wiki

[narrow fossil]

"The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

tbh tho

are we talking about ukraine

or just the shittieness of the USSR's treatment in general

[thorny steeple]

Ukraine fucked this world, everything is expensive

I mean USA:))

[manic juniper]

Blame Russia for invading

[thorny steeple]

Russia wants his territory

Like Romania

[manic juniper]

It isn't his territory in the first place

[thorny steeple]

We have territory on Ukraine

[manic juniper]

Should Hungary conquer the parts of Romania inhabited by Hungarian Székelys?

[thorny steeple]

Russia built Ukraine

[steel wave]

yeah man, fr

[manic juniper]

Because there are many areas where Hungarians are the majority

[thorny steeple]

Yes I know

[manic juniper]

Shouldn't they go back to Hungary?

[steel wave]

People aren't aware what usa have done to this world, you know?

[thorny steeple]

And we claimed the area

History was tricky

[pastel valley]

Isfrun r u from Ukraine? 😅

[onyx hazel]

True

[thorny steeple]

It’s

Yes*

[manic juniper]

Nope, I'm from Finland

[thorny steeple]

They fucked us

[narrow fossil]

Only idiots don't know what USA has done

[thorny steeple]

With bio products, eco cars that consumes a lot 🙂

[onyx hazel]

And is fuck1ng until nowadays

[pastel valley]

which shares boundary with russia r8 😅

[manic juniper]

Yes

[narrow fossil]

the US is fucking themselves as well

[thorny steeple]

Don’t buy Tesla

[manic juniper]

Unfortunately

[granite hearth]

true lol

[steel wave]

I see, I'm sorry, I didn't know you're so smart

[thorny steeple]

Îs horror in the us what’s happening

[narrow fossil]

no I'm calling the people who don't know that, idiots

[steel wave]

tell us the fact dude

[narrow fossil]

average 'merca moment

[granite hearth]

lol

[onyx hazel]

And what is the fact?

[narrow fossil]

People in the US are some of the smartest but also the dumbest people in existance

[thorny steeple]

I don’t understand, I still learn English

[narrow fossil]

average american moment

[onyx hazel]

Yeah, they're so smart that they think Africa is a country

[calm sapphire]

🍿

[thorny steeple]

Thanks

[steel wave]

[thorny steeple]

Good answer

[steel wave]

fr frrr

[thorny steeple]

Frrrr

[narrow fossil]

I know right. You have to be another level of stupid to think Africa is a country

[thorny steeple]

:))))))

[manic juniper]

Isn't that a weird generalisation

[narrow fossil]

But thats not as bad as the people who think Wakanda is a real country

[onyx hazel]

Of course I'm not talking about all of them, but the majority it is

[thorny steeple]

They don’t know where is Canada on map

[narrow fossil]

I wouldn't say majority

But ,maybe a thrid

third

[steel wave]

I would

[narrow fossil]

Canada? you mean the 51st state?

[steel wave]

They think that their country is better than the others

[granite hearth]

i mean i sometimes think that also about my own country is there anything bad about it?

[steel wave]

Idk where r u from

[narrow fossil]

nationalism at its finest

[thorny steeple]

You are smart

[granite hearth]

Netherlands!

[narrow fossil]

Yeah but the difference being Netherlands is actually pleasant

[thorny steeple]

I hope trump will be the next president

[calm sapphire]

there are dumb people all over the globe, it's okay

[thorny steeple]

I think everything will stop

[narrow fossil]

Dude morphs into a cheeto

[thorny steeple]

Please English:)))

[granite hearth]

i mean yeah true i would 100x rather live here then America but haha yeah

[granite hearth]

very true

[narrow fossil]

he morphs into a common american snack called a cheeto

[onyx hazel]

There's no problem loving your country, the problem is when you think that your country is better than the others countries when it comes about culture, people

[thorny steeple]

Understand

[narrow fossil]

nationalism at its finest

[onyx hazel]

There's no problem being nationalist, the real problem is being a ultranationalist

[granite hearth]

ohhh in the culture thing i have respect for everyone regards they're culture

[narrow fossil]

you can't handle the american superiority

[manic juniper]

Nationalism is bad regardless, it's only useful if you're building a country

[narrow fossil]

kaw kaw 🦅

[steel wave]

great country bro, netherlands is a beautiful country

[manic juniper]

Being patriotic and being nationalist is different

[granite hearth]

Very true i would not wanna live some where else then here to behonest

[steel wave]

They think that south america is a region of their country

[narrow fossil]

It definitely is tho

[steel wave]

fr

[calm sapphire]

if you remove hating others from nationalism you get patriotism, no?

[granite hearth]

I find it always hilarious when i hear someone say its a country lol

[narrow fossil]

We are America, Second to none, and we own the finish line

🦅

[narrow fossil]

Yes

Patriotism is loving ones country, Nationalism is loving ones country and loathing every other country

[manic juniper]

It isn't about country but nation, a country can have one or more nations

[narrow fossil]

Yeah thats what I meant

[manic juniper]

For example being a Russian nationalist would mean only caring about Russians and not Ukrainians and Tatars living in Russia

Being a Russian patriot would mean including minorities too

[onyx hazel]

There is a video of Trump admitting that U.S is the country that k1lled so much people in the world

[narrow fossil]

@feral river How are you able to use discord?

[manic juniper]

VPN

[narrow fossil]

Trumps policies also killed people

[narrow fossil]

Hes not a very good comrade

[calm sapphire]

chinese ingenuity

[manic juniper]

He isn't a communist and funnily enough neither of his parents are, but they're still part of the CCP lol

[onyx hazel]

Every U.S politician is a killer, but it's interesting knowing that Trump is admitting it

[manic juniper]

Funny how things work. Oh and he wants to join the CCP despite not being communist

[narrow fossil]

its a joke.

[narrow fossil]

Well he's trying to get more supporters I suppose

[calm sapphire]

we can't really tell where this person is from, aside from what's written in their profile

[manic juniper]

I know, that's why I'm saying it

He is the least communist Chinese of all

[calm sapphire]

maybe they're not from china but they write that they are

[narrow fossil]

express vpn

[onyx hazel]

Yes

[manic juniper]

It's also possible, if yes he is faking it well because he had set China's timezone and had name on CS

[cerulean ore]

It's hilarious to see that your opinions on America's political system are just as misguided as your views on China's economic state

[thorny steeple]

wrong, the is book is written by Douglas Tottle, a man from Canada, Toronto.

[narrow fossil]

you sure you got the right one?

[thorny steeple]

I'm talking about the book I sent

[narrow fossil]

oh

[onyx hazel]

Opinion

Bro thinks the book is an opinion 💀

[gaunt bronze]

Nationalism is not good.

[gaunt bronze]

Oops-

The definition difference between patriotism, nationalism, & xenophobia can be a bit skewed.

But to be a nationalist, I don't think you necessarily have to hate every other country (or even any country).

Same for xenophobia, you don't need to hate every other country to be a xenophobe.

But it's ambiguous sometimes ig. 🤷‍♀️

[grave temple]

well xenophobe is just hate/fear towards foreigners or another country

doesnt matter if u hate 1 or 10 countries

if you hate/fear its auto xenophobic

i wouldnt say its ambiguous or skewed between nationalism, patriotism or xenophobia

you could be nationalistic or patriotic without hating any country

e.g. some americans are patriotic of their multicultural populace

proud to be american

nationalism is definitely a form of xenophobia

per se as most nationalists see their country as the best

and want/think they surpass other countries

[pale geode]

hey

[thorny steeple]

Because it affects the future changes the personality of a person and makes him/her think about the future a lot etc....

@manic juniper

[thorny steeple]

Hey

[manic juniper]

Yes?

[pale geode]

sup ?

[manic juniper]

It isn't about school, people see marriage as expensive and they only choose to marry late (or not marry at all) once they have enough money for a party

[thorny steeple]

Nothing much 2st time texting on this serious chat

[pale geode]

me first time

[thorny steeple]

It is about the education system and how they wash your brains and how they affect your future trust me, it's the education system I mean the schools studies and many more just that spoils and brainwash ppl and make them think about these taxes and money building house or sup crappy certificate to prove their knowledge

[manic juniper]

Never once they brought these up at school, neither taxes or marriage

[thorny steeple]

How will they?

[manic juniper]

There is civic education as a subject for example, it's about navigating life as an adult and compiling documents

Taxes are paid automatically and happens online

[thorny steeple]

Did you understand what I mean by "modern slavery" and why am I relating this with marriage?

[manic juniper]

It isn't modern slavery lol

Doesn't relate to slavery at all

[thorny steeple]

Lol education is controlling you since you're child

[manic juniper]

Example being

[thorny steeple]

It never lets you think freely

It has limited your brain

[manic juniper]

They do the opposite where I live, you're encouraged to pursue your passions

And to work hard towards your achievements

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from?

[manic juniper]

Finland

[thorny steeple]

Its another case

I respect

Finland

And the system

Cus they let them do

What they want

Instead of controlling them like prisoners

Your county is an exception

But take a look at other countries

And compare it with yours and you'll

Understand

[manic juniper]

It must be similar in nearby countries

They also spend a lot on education

[thorny steeple]

How can I say an example: If a girl is studying in a mixed boys and girls school and she wants to go to the washroom for a private reason and the teacher who is teaching the class is a man and there are boys which are students and she is shy and at the same time its very embarrassing to say her private problem to the teacher but still she gets up and raise her hand in front of everyone and asks for the leave without shyness because she has to unless she can't do anything if she did she is gonna get blamed (This is kind of a slavery)

This leads to many problems in my country

[manic juniper]

It's more like classism than slavery, or a broken system

[thorny steeple]

She has been controlled by the school rules which is stupid and doesn't make sense

[manic juniper]

Usually they make special accommodations here

Now they are less because education funds are less than they used to be

[thorny steeple]

I see

[thorny steeple]

Imagine your knowledge and your perspective and skills your value being ignored because of a certificate...

[narrow fossil]

That sucks

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[narrow fossil]

Funny thing is at least where I live its a majority female teachers

so its like the opposite

[manic juniper]

Unrelated but do you have a PS2 or played PS2 games?

[narrow fossil]

No I'm not that old also I'm a nintendo guy

[thorny steeple]

I see

[manic juniper]

F

[narrow fossil]

I mean I would like to get into the PS sonyseries

I just don't have money

cuz i like games like persona

[manic juniper]

I feel like it's not as appealing to Japanese folks anymore, at least since PS3 but it got better after PS4

[thorny steeple]

PS3 Sure

[manic juniper]

PlayStation used to be different before, it appealed more to a Japanese public and it changed when PS3's launch failed and everything was moved to USA

[narrow fossil]

yeah

[manic juniper]

If PS Vita had success they would've moved back to Japan

If you like platforms and you have a PC you can emulate PS2 games

[narrow fossil]

I actually enjoy the PS Vita tho

I mean I don't have one

but I've played on a friend's ps vita

[manic juniper]

It's good, I dislike how it doesn't have an SD card but a Sony memory card so getting one is very expensive

Usual Sony stuff of making exclusive hardware too, and when it flops customers are fucked

[narrow fossil]

ahh yeah thats the issue

[narrow fossil]

Well I think most companies that make exculsive hardware usually flop

Keriug Coffee makers

That was garbo when they decided to make it so only k cups worked

but it was so easily bypassable

[manic juniper]

Sony wants to set trends, sometimes it has extreme success like Blu-ray, sometimes it does not like UMDs and Sony memory cards

[narrow fossil]

The price of being greedy when there are already cheaper alternatives

[manic juniper]

What's funny is Apple used to earn roughly 1,3$ per PS2 sold because they had an Apple connector of some sort

Sony didn't like that so they started making PS2s without the port

[narrow fossil]

Who's Steve Jobs

[manic juniper]

I wonder if Sony took example from Apple since that moment

[narrow fossil]

Apple pulled a sony but succesfully

until recently

when the EU was like "You have to use USB-C"

[manic juniper]

Yes, fuck 'em

And glory to the EU

[narrow fossil]

Ngl I don't really get the Apple hype

[manic juniper]

Me neither, I feel like Android could be better though

[narrow fossil]

it seems like they release the same shit every year but with a different charger

[manic juniper]

Earlier versions of Android used to have more freedom, you could move apps freely between memory storages, not anymore

[manic juniper]

Sometimes the charger isn't even included 😔

[narrow fossil]

I think the problem with Android is they started to copy apple and they just do kind of a shitty job at bringing in hype

Also android users are presented as nerds

[manic juniper]

Possibly, it's the trend that shits gets "simplified" even on PC with Windows, where it's a mess if you search for old functions in control panel

[narrow fossil]

yeah I kinda hate windows 11

Windows 10 was better

[manic juniper]

I don't even know if 11 still has the control panel or not

[narrow fossil]

It does

[manic juniper]

They started moving control panel functions to settings on Windows 8, 10 continued that, 11 probably has even less stuff on the control panel

They want to get rid of it but it's more confusing like this, it's taking decades and either functions are harder to access or it's halfway done

[narrow fossil]

yeah unfortunately

[manic juniper]

The unfortunate thing is that Linux gaming isn't as developed (yet)

But it'll get there, also because Steam is encouraging it

[narrow fossil]

I remember that Nintendo was still using windows xe back into 2018

or around that time

[manic juniper]

You could install Linux on PS3 but they removed the function at some point

[narrow fossil]

modded 3ds goes hard

[manic juniper]

There are too many things that are making me reconsider playing on console now

[manic juniper]

Is yours modded

My PS Vita will be modded in a month, once Aliexpress delivers here

[narrow fossil]

Well I think the problem is games nowadays just aren't fun. Like I can rarely sit for more than an hour playing new games

[narrow fossil]

Yeah

[manic juniper]

If you like platforms and you missed on the PS2 ones, try Ratchet & Clank trilogy, Jak & Daxter trilogy, Sly Raccoon trilogy

[narrow fossil]

I plan to

[manic juniper]

The Japanese versions of Ratchet Deadlocked and Ratchet & Clank 3 have extra stuff

I don't know why, many Japanese and Korean games had these extras

[gaunt bronze]

Oh ofc I agree with what you said. however, I disagree with your comment that it isn’t ambiguous or skewed. those three definitions can be hard to pinpoint and some examples are hard to pin down to one or two of those. already, your claim that nationalism is definitely a form of xenophobia is trivial (some people like me disagree). I don’t think nationalism is xenophobia. and we could argue what the qualities of xenophobia or nationalism are (or even patriotism and its limit), and we might disagree. although, nationalism and xenophobia are often accompaniments to each other

[narrow fossil]

Angela is typing an entire thesis page 💀

[gaunt bronze]

Im on my phone 😭 sorry

[narrow fossil]

so essentially your saying that its a logical falacy to beilieve that A-->B but B-/-> A

[gaunt bronze]

no

you can be a nationalist, which can lead you to be a xénophobe, and vice versa

BUT if you are just one, you aren’t inherently the other

[manic juniper]

Nationalism and patriotism are in conflict, I don't know if they're compatible even

[gaunt bronze]

nationalism is an extremist “bad” form of patriotism

[manic juniper]

If you only support one nation rather than all of them in your country then you aren't really being patriotic

[gaunt bronze]

I mean, there’s consensus on some of its characteristics but we can disagree about it

like this is a bad example but say

Your country hosts the olympics Idk, if you want your country’s athlètes to win against every other country and that you hope the other countries do bad idk

Is that just patriotism, or does that extend to nationalism?

There’s probably better tribunals to put defining the characteristics of these three forms of love of one’s country to the test

[manic juniper]

It can be either patriotic or nationalistic

[gaunt bronze]

It’s an ambivalent scenario 🤷‍♀️

Some ppl will say it’s patriotism, others nationalistic (or both idk), or you could argue it could be xenophobia

As one could interpret wanting the other countries’ Olympic athletes to do bad = hate???

Regardless, it is a bit hypocritical of me, but I think it’s bad to draw black and white borders on nationalism patriotism and xenophobia

But if you’re able to come up with robust characteristics then that would be impressive

Idk what I’m yapping about Srry 😭

[manic juniper]

Xenophobia is independent from them

Nationalism and to an extent patriotism are more related to chauvinism

[pallid dust]

No

[pallid dust]

Are you really Angela Merkel?

[gaunt bronze]

Oh of course!

[jolly agate]

If the student himself is unwilling to make the extra efforts and relies entirely on the government, then it's obvious that he'll never end up self-reliant and self-sufficiency.

The system is designed to aid the needy who have no other way out and can't afford anything at all at obviously the most basic level, not the average man who can, should & must do the basics by himself, which are listed in the video.

[pallid dust]

Prove it

[jolly agate]

It’s reall easy to Balme everything on the schools and education, What you think is slavery is just them doing their to teach kids manners, I’m not saying all schools are good, But things like asking for permission before you out to do your personal things, or putting hand up if you want to ask questions, those are called manners, and if you don’t learn it when you are young it makes it hard to learn when you are older.

If you can think but choose not to, suffering follows, regardless of whether you go to school or not

[onyx hazel]

I'm sorry, what is the reply? Discord isn't loading

[jolly agate]

Compèring schools to prison or doing your homework, or sit in the classroom for 50 minutes, dont leave the room as you please, come to school on time or not using your phone during class, if that’s what you call slavery, then shame on you.

[thorny steeple]

Raising hands for a question is ok or to answer its ok but to go to the toilet what manners you should learn?

Ask them out in the public

In front of the class?

And you think this is a good way

Well it's a shame on you

[jolly agate]

Manners, as I have said before. If you cant do such trivial things. Then that’s you problem. Saying excuse me, can I go to the bathroom, I think it’s manners, it’s a way a student should behave, you are there to learn.

[jolly agate]

what’s the problem

Every students ask for permissions, Why should the government change the rules, for you just because you are uncomfortable asking for permission.

It’s a you problem, not school

If u don’t like asking for permission, go to bathroom at you house.

Or hold it

If you can’t ask for a permission

[jolly agate]

Shame on you who it’s calling go to school slavery

I find it really pathetic when people talk disrespectfully about their school and education without even knowing the purpose of why we have schools in the first place and why they go there.

[thorny steeple]

Lmao it's not just for me I get People blaming the rules everyday and I know many People who struggled and got ashamed for asking private things out in class which is not to be asked but they are compelled to ask and they have no second option so they do

[thorny steeple]

Well if you think your knowledge is worth a certificate

Then it's your problem

If you need something to prove the certificate comes first

Not your manners and your knowledge

They don't give a shit about your knowledge

They just want standards

[jolly agate]

If they don’t they wouldn’t be providing free education to children.

[thorny steeple]

They have to because they need slaves for them to work

For the country

For the economy

For the government

They need workers

[jolly agate]

If the student himself is unwilling to make the extra efforts and relies entirely on the government, then it's obvious that he'll never end up self-reliant and self-sufficiency.

Boom

If you can think but choose not to, suffering follows, regardless of whether you go to school or not

[thorny steeple]

Slavery just got improved in a very technical way so you guys fell for it now you think it's an honour to value yourself over a certificate and if it's gone your nothing and the things you studied it's not going to be stable and suicide for failing exams and getting scared of your parents if I failed they would blame me it make kids do such crucial things as simple as that education is a total bullshit unless it's taught in a right way.

[thorny steeple]

"Most of the education system"

You can take Finland as an example for one of the best educational and skilled ways of teaching a student

Boom

[gaunt bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/angela-merkel-kanzlerin-reaktion-wie-bitte-sauer-gif-11068368

[jolly agate]

You not replying to me directly

I find it really amusing

[thorny steeple]

Answer me this

[jolly agate]

I’ll

[thorny steeple]

Ok go for it

[jolly agate]

I said I will, it doesn’t have to be now

[jolly agate]

You again ignored me

Hahaha

Can’t battle head on I see

[thorny steeple]

Well educate yourself and come up with the answers which convince me to believe your fictional system.

[thorny steeple]

Of course we are not the same

I didn't go behind the certificate

To prove my knowledge or worth

[gleaming sphinx]

hi

[sudden shard]

https://tenor.com/view/en-serio-de-verdad-no-me-digas-roca-seriously-gif-24299861

[jolly agate]

You mean the education system just got better, for good. Why not? What's wrong with honoring the certificate that was earned through days and nights of study? You've just gotten closer to what you want to become in the future, which is really close. If you pick some stupid course and do not get the job, then blame yourself. You picked that course. If you had thought and picked the right course, you wouldn't be unemployed. Also, the certificate represents the unseen stress and anxiety, countless years of hard work. You can lose the certificate the next day, but you won't lose the knowledge. In today's time, the more knowledge you have, the more successful you have the chances of becoming. Running away from your problems isn't the best solution. You run because you can't face your problems head-on, like you, who didn't even answer me directly on my points and decided to give some bullshit explanation on why education is slavery. Also, you are scared of failing because you did not study. If you had studied your best for the exam, then you wouldn't be scared. Only an unprepared person is the one who is scared of the challenges. If you fail, you simply didn't study enough. It is your fault, not the school nor education. If you think the test is hard, then it is what it is. It's not something that you have not been taught. Like I have said before, if the student himself is unwilling to make the extra efforts and relies entirely on the government, then it's obvious he will have to struggle accordingly.

[jolly agate]

Maybe if you had thought about your beliefs, you wouldn't look so stupid here

If you don't like the school or you think education is slavery, you are allowed to open your own business or get a full-time job. Nothing is stopping you from doing that. But here's the problem: many people don't like to think beyond the borders that their schools have set for them. You are allowed to think, and you can choose not to think and go to school blindly, not doing homework or paying attention in class. You are bound to be scared when you have to face challenges yourself, and you will fail, no doubt. Then you blame schools like, 'Oh, it's hard and it's scary or it’s a slavery.' No-one, like some pathetic cowards. Even yourself. If you are going to follow the path that the government has set for you without a second thought, then you will struggle the same as others, no less or more. Blame yourself for your own weakness, not the education system, which is made for those people who are in need. If you follow the government's path properly, you will have a good future. If you want to do that, then think—think about what you can do, think about what you should do.

I would like you to respond directly rather than sidetracking. It would be better if you could respond to all of it

[jolly agate]

finally something real

[rose eagle]

As for me owning a console is impossible because even if I had my own money my parents would never let me buy it lmao

Asian parents are assholes

[pallid surge]

If you are going by outcome, finnish american students outperform native finnish students.

[jolly agate]

No they are good.

[jolly agate]

they know if they buy you that. you going to get addiced to it

[violet peak]

I only hate school not education 😭

[rose eagle]

I was really shocked when I first saw it in my friend's house
and i screamed and squealed like a child when i first saw the ps4 in my friend's house

[jolly agate]

there is no school wihtout education

[violet peak]

People In school sucks

[jolly agate]

thye co-exist

[jolly agate]

somepeople do

[rose eagle]

meanwhile they still let me play games on pc lmao

[violet peak]

Yes they think they are superior or something

I hate em all

[jolly agate]

I say ignore them

[rose eagle]

a paradox

[pallid surge]

The students are fine, teachers not so much

[jolly agate]

everyschool is different

[pallid surge]

based parents

[rose eagle]

Yes

[uncut hound]

no? I'm asian here and my parents don't beat me or berate me. it comes down entirely to how you perceive punishment.

[pallid surge]

teachers are mostly the same

[jolly agate]

I have chill teachers. \

[violet peak]

All of em then 🔥

They think I am “friends” with them

[pallid surge]

good for you

[jolly agate]

cant agree with that sorry

[violet peak]

Pity

[jolly agate]

I think education would be better if they have right teachers

[violet peak]

That just depends on the school and teachess personality tbh

[rose eagle]

My parents don't beat me anymore. Instead, they only scold me severely when I want to miss a day at school

[violet peak]

Exactly I have 1 friend

We are duo others are fake

[jolly agate]

the wey one teaches direcly effect the one who learns form it

[pallid surge]

In all schools; the vast majority of teachers are 90 IQ textbook orators. Most of them don't have the capacity nor desire to teach critical thinking or anything outside that's of substance.

[rose eagle]

I never mentioned whether they beat me or anything

[jolly agate]

well

[uncut hound]

I'd like to argue with that. if you study in a school that has teachers that don't really have an interest in helping their students develop their skills further for anticipation of the future, they most likely are just working for the money. I'm lucky that I go to a school for the gifted, and the teachers have various personalities, but they are all very friendly and sociable with their students in general. your education level determines a lot

[jolly agate]

Hes talking about himself

[pallid surge]

is this an oversimplified reference

[violet peak]

@uncut hound am I still blocked In you?

[jolly agate]

what did you do to deserve that

[pallid surge]

Most are working just for the money

[violet peak]

😭

[jolly agate]

[uncut hound]

if so then, that's good. maybe you should have quality time to talk with them, explain your thoughts and how to help them improve. maybe when they were still your age they were treated the same way and what they're doing now is passing on that generational trauma

[violet peak]

I am european and my parents Is not bad

They don’t force me to do anything

[uncut hound]

could be yeah. I do have at least some merits (elite student who won some medals for the school in the citywide competitions) but otherwise it's all just normal student things.

[violet peak]

Fun fact no one cares: I am In school texting theese

[uncut hound]

hell my chem teacher doesn't even bother with the class

[jolly agate]

may be they know if you study its for your own good, and if you dont you will suffer

[rose eagle]

well it doesn't seem to be very effective, because when I talk about how tired I am from sitting in that boring class, my parents will be like, "If you miss a day of school, you'll lose your knowledge"

[jolly agate]

thats just how they are over protoctive

[pallid surge]

Hot take: I think schools should be completely different for boys and girls.

[jolly agate]

which you will miss, when thye die

[uncut hound]

there's a large difference that people often gloss over. schools that rank lower often have teachers who are disinterested in teaching as a whole and just want the paychecks. my friends who achieved much higher than me have teachers who are much more compassionate with their lessons and make an effort to help them explore and expand their talents

[pallid surge]

tell em i'd rather be well rested and not miss time with you

they won't know what to say

[rose eagle]

Meanwhile, the teacher there lectured so boringly that I only understood 40% of the knowledge, and the remaining 60% I studied on the internet to take the exam.

[uncut hound]

why not note the important stuff down? it's not like you are forced to write everything down. focus on the main points and study them instead of listening to the entire thing without filtering stuff

[pallid surge]

Intrestingly enough the largest correaltion with low student performance across schools in the states was temperature; I don't know if i buy it though

[jolly agate]

If you can think but choose not to, suffering follows, regardless of whether you go to school or not

[uncut hound]

look at why coeducation is so popular nowadays

[pallid surge]

because they simply are textbook orators

[uncut hound]

the influence of the weather is also important, yes. it's a major factor in how the human body responds to its environment. if it's too hot or cold people start getting distracted due to the heat and cold and keep on finding ways to cool down instead of studying

[rose eagle]

Yes, I'm not talking about whether I acquired any knowledge or not, but what I mean is that studying at school is too boring and I find it more effective to study by myself at home.

[uncut hound]

if you have a good climate and don't have to worry about your hands sweating like crazy or your fingers freezing, you can study a lot better.

[rose eagle]

Can you explain this statement in more detail? I still don't understand very well because my English is not good

[uncut hound]

then studying at home might benefit you. it's a genuinely valid reason to study from home if the school environment is too hostile or distracting. maybe you could explain your reasons and your parents might have a change of heart?

[rose eagle]

Where are you from

Philippines?

Or india?

[uncut hound]

he means that, although you could have listened and thought more about the lesson, you didn't choose to, which leads to lower grades. this won't change even if you do or don't go to school

[uncut hound]

counterquestion: why ask? what country I'm in shouldn't affect my education too much

[thorny steeple]

Hey I careless about what you wrote I have achieved more than you wrote without stepping my foot at school or any other if this is your opinion keep it for yourself iam not going to change any thoughts I know people who was with me got even successfull without this bullshit system and I totally respect your point of view because you took the time for me to reply thank you for that but I'll keep what you said in my mind thank you for the respond and the view on the education system of your but yeah it ain't going to change the facts that I told studying for long and if you didn't receive your certificate your life is done ✅

[uncut hound]

I'm in a third world country, that's what I'll give you

[rose eagle]

No, I completely understand all the damn knowledge in school and my grades are always 8/10 or 7/10

[rose eagle]

Ok

[jolly agate]

absolutely fine with me

[thorny steeple]

But really I appreciate

[rose eagle]

I'm just a little curious

[thorny steeple]

Your time

Thanks

[jolly agate]

cheers

[uncut hound]

to be really honest, there is no one size fits all to education

[jolly agate]

what did you not get it

[uncut hound]

my line is also different. my parents encourage me to learn skills outside of the school environment, because they know that the curriculum won't teach you anything useful. too much theory and no practicals leads to untested ideas being accepted as facts. I intend to learn programming on my own, or at least scrub some online lessons from the internet to get a hold of it better at a younger age.

[rose eagle]

My parents are very simple, 8/10 in most subjects and you will get a reward

[rose eagle]

"Learning the piano is very time consuming, why don't you sit at your desk and study math or English?"

My parents belike:

[uncut hound]

I do really want to reply to this in earnest but sadly I'm pressed for time, however I'll give you my two cents of though:

-Society creates too much pressure and expectations for graduates to immediately get a certificate and job straight out of college or uni.

-parents are too paranoid about their kids not being to care for them in the future if they don't have a line of work, especially when households nowadays birth fewer children. life expectancy has also increased through the roof so the burden of caring for the old has also increased.

[thorny steeple]

Yup man I agree with you

[uncut hound]

the second point is most valid for countries like Japan. with too many elders to care for, newer generations of Japanese are opting to not have children at all due to the strain on their finances and lack of hope that they'd be able to care for their children at all due to the work culture there as well

[thorny steeple]

I mean my life is totally crappy past

I didn't go to school

I studied myself

Didn't have parents

To guide me

[uncut hound]

that's admirable tbh. you got over the roadblocks life placed before you

[uncut hound]

a wave of deaths will follow a few years or decades later which will significantly drop the number of elders in the world

[thorny steeple]

I am not offending the system, I grew up watching craps and got rejected many times in many places because the only reason is the "certificate" since it's like that I decided to create an opportunity for myself without any of these and I went on the track successfully

Why do people Keep suiciding

Because of education?

[uncut hound]

to argue for why certificates are so determinant for a person's career nowadays, it's due to the competition and trust issues that form when recruiting employees

[thorny steeple]

Its easy to get certified using money

It doesn't matter nowadays

[uncut hound]

companies want the best, most outstanding employees they can get their hands on, and up until now certificates have solidified themselves as a tool for determining the prospects of an future hiree

[thorny steeple]

I agree

But still there are loop holes

Which is needed to be covered

If they say they're the best

[uncut hound]

yes, it's not perfect, but for the most part, it has, and that's why it has solidified itself in the cultural zeitgeist

people are stubborn and not prone to sudden change unless something major happens

[thorny steeple]

Imagine this thing from an orphan

How he is going to afford these

But I know many people

Worth more than the certificate

But getting rejected

Because they don't have the certificate or degree

[uncut hound]

well, that's entirely the headhunter and employer's fault.

[thorny steeple]

I mean if you blame the employer

[uncut hound]

because society has grown so complex, and trust a rare commodity, people now have to do a lot of checks

[thorny steeple]

It will go to the one who taught the employer

[thorny steeple]

Yes

But because this all happened

Just because of the lack of carless things in the education system

[uncut hound]

I certainly agree

the education system has been glossed over for the past few decades

things aren't catching up

when I hear terms like "modernizing the classroom", I think to myself as to why modernize now instead of all those years before?

[thorny steeple]

I really appreciate your point of view

Because

You at least understand what iam saying

Or trying to say

[uncut hound]

the overall stubbornness to not accept change and follow the old dogma has stunted students' prospects in the future

[uncut hound]

I certainly do. in fact this is happening with my country's education system as each year they try to introduce a new curriculum that tries to compress knowledge from 12th level to 10th level and 9th level to 6th level

I'm unfortunately learning the new curriculum which has nothing to do with the old one and completely throws away any consideration to bridge the gap between the old and the new

[thorny steeple]

I believe if a person can think more than a certificate and his values

He can carve his own path

Non-stop

And he will be unstoppable

[uncut hound]

well, my father certainly has a lot of those friends, but willpower is also an important factor

[thorny steeple]

I believed myself when there was no one to lift me up

And I hated the education

For what they have done to my life

[uncut hound]

then that's good. willpower is a rare virtue nowadays

[thorny steeple]

Believe me right now I ain't know shit about science or maths........

Even grammar nope

[uncut hound]

I'd like to argue against this point. not everyone can follow the path you took. some people aren't just fit for self study and need a pre-made curriculum

[thorny steeple]

I have no disagreement

Its true

But it depends on how they taught

In their childhood

[weary sigil]

Are you referring to the school programs that are amended every year to concorde with the students' level? They have to change the programs accordingly to students' level - the school programs are mostly based on statistics. I mean it's well known that the previous programs were better such as the exams were harder before because the level is degrading each year thus they have to make it less hard.

[thorny steeple]

Or the society

[uncut hound]

I wish there was a one size fits all option, but in life there is none to be found, only a couple hundred which might or might not work

[uncut hound]

society and culture is a major factor in determining the care given to a child's education. china and it's neighbors usually put a lot of focus into studying whatever the teacher says at a fast pace in school

whereas the European way emphasizes self-discovery and more participation in the class itself

[weary sigil]

School isn't building you a future, it's meant to be helping you build a future. Lots of people think they will own the world at the end of their studies. That isn't really how it works.
Study hard, and doors will open, only you have to cross them on your own.

[uncut hound]

a valid point. society itself has misunderstood the role school plays in the life of an individual

the message got warped over time so we have these savants who can't remember 1000 pages of text yet can't do jack shit

[thorny steeple]

What if you failed at the last moment and didn't receive your certificate

But u still have the set of skills

But education and Ur mind is being valued over a piece of paper 📜

[thorny steeple]

Yes totally valid one...

[weary sigil]

I mean, it's fair to say that the school graduating system is utterly based on knowing how to mesmorize texts or math formulas that you won't have to lend a hand on in daily life in lieu of actually teaching useful knowledge. Because you see, school is relevant in your life but it becomes more relevant once you've reached superior studies, however the school beforehands isn't really important, though it is because it teaches you basics but it's not concrete. You get to learn your future job in superior studies hence why I think they should teach better knowledge that are useful instead of learning general and useless knowledge.

[uncut hound]

metrics for employment will change over time, but there must be a large event for it to shift suddenly and rapidly

a fiasco that a famous college is pumping grades and handing out certificates like it's girl scouts cookies?

probably.

[weary sigil]

It's tricky to say because it depends on the profession. I doubt anybody would like to be operated by an unqualified surgeon, right? I mean if you were to study plumbery and learned a lot of things during your studies, but unfortunately failed at it. You can however learn while practicing in real life with a monitor, and in the end receive the certificate. But it's really job depending. They want you to have excellent grades and results in studies which lead you to a profession that requires diplomas and strong knowledge of the job like doctor, for example. Moreover, it's really society based. Every country has a different school system

US school system is way more flexible than the German school system 💀

[feral river]

How about east asian school system like Japan, Korea and China 🤣 those are true concentration camps.

I'm thinking that is even worse than stay into prison when I was in the middle school

at least you can have your free time to do something and more freedom in prison than my middle school in China...

force indoctrination and under high pressure anytime, all of the thing you do is for that exam.

I appreciate I just realized that's a bullshit system at that time... and I'm good for now.

[pallid dust]

Can i call you?

[weary sigil]

They indeed work very hard to achieve perfection. But I don't think their system is right. Abusing children and applying too much pressure on students to get perfection is not the right way

[feral river]

I would say even it's a terrible system, but it's the only system that they can conduct especially China.

abusing children or not, is not important in this system.

more specific, abusing children or not, will not affect their final goal and intention, and they won't be punished for doing this.

[manic juniper]

Source?

[uncut hound]

https://youtu.be/r7l0Rq9E8MY?si=IfkV9l63_Jo8Axbz

[ocean crow]

https://youtu.be/VMduybkX-Ao?si=DWh7mEkomMIhzKlc
Turn on the cc

[manic juniper]

Nice argument, however... NANOMACHINES

[rose eagle]

Like in Vietnam but to a lesser extent, and only my school missing 3 classes without the teacher's consent can cause you to lower your conduct rating by 1 level.

And in my school i only get permission from your teacher to day off school if you are truly sick with a virus or bacterial illness

And if you're just tired and stressed, you still have to drag yourself to school. That's the case at my school and I'm not sure about other local schools.

i hate this fucking school 😭

And there is word of mouth from my teacher that if a class that the teacher is in charge of has students absent every day regardless of the reason, there will be bad reviews about that class and teacher

[formal pilot]

What's your take on death/ afterlife

[thorny steeple]

@feral riveru r quite popular here?

hey seem to be well versed about the workings and the governing system of ur country

[formal pilot]

I'm really interested in moment just before death (i don't believe in afterlife)

[thorny steeple]

i read ur responses some times they r quite trivial

[thorny steeple]

i think its quite a nice topic for a deep conversation where u r all brains

but i from my experience i can say for me it was not as blissful as i had imagined

[formal pilot]

I'm big fan of isfrun

[thorny steeple]

isfrun

[wary plover]

baka

[thorny steeple]

sry iam to dumb to even be here

[thorny steeple]

what is that

[rose eagle]

stupid in japanese

[thorny steeple]

lolimma idiot

[thorny steeple]

oh so u r japa knees

[rose eagle]

shiet

[rose eagle]

i'm from vietnam lmao

[formal pilot]

Imagine you die and
You wake up sitting in a crazy alien VR system and your extra-terrestrial friends are like "that was five minutes. F crazy, right?"

[thorny steeple]

heheheeh

[weary sigil]

I am stricken with a persisting migraine owing to nonstop verbally kerfuffle and I therefore have will to croak in no time. However, how are you people?

[abstract crow]

hello guys

what is app

[thorny steeple]

Greetings serious chat

[torpid veldt]

Imagine you die, you see the white light that is the lamp in the delivery room and your life begins again

[minor valley]

let just imagine only !!

[feral river]

maybe yes, I know those things without bias.

[terse nexus]

Does anyone of u know a little bout birds

[onyx hazel]

Did I lie? I think you don't know how many countries U.S has been invading

[hot wharf]

Hey guys. İ have a question. What is the best method for the improve my English?

[jolly agate]

Speaking

[jolly agate]

I don’t want it

[jolly agate]

When I die I wanna die for real

[acoustic quarry]

If I know this will happen then I will die until I become rich

[acoustic quarry]

What is death?

[hot wharf]

thank you

[acoustic quarry]

What happens after death

[devout shale]

You remember you can't die

[acoustic quarry]

Start thinking in English

[acoustic quarry]

Why?

[acoustic quarry]

Watch whatever you like with English subtitles if not dubbed in English

[hot wharf]

how am i gonna do it

[acoustic quarry]

Play mind and brain game in which your mind and brain will communicate with each other in English

[hot wharf]

i do this for a long time

but i dont thinking english to much

a little bit

[acoustic quarry]

Make your thoughts think in English instead of your mother tongue

[acoustic quarry]

It's not a one time work you have to force your thoughts back to English again and again. To think in English continuously.

[hot wharf]

im gonna try it. thank you.

[acoustic quarry]

Intresting topic for you. War or forgiveness.

[onyx hazel]

speaking, and practicing pronounciation

[acoustic quarry]

Accent is also important to make others understand what you are saying

[onyx hazel]

I know a website that is really good for practicing pronounciation

It's called: Forvo

[onyx hazel]

Yes

[acoustic quarry]

Talking your thoughts out loud will help you to improve your accent

Can you tell me the difference between communication and conversation?

[jolly agate]

You will know when you die, I don’t know because I haven’t died yet, however I have some assumptions,
If their is no higher being watching is then we will simply merged with nature

if their is a higher being watching us then their is a change that we will get to meet them, and they willl decide our fate,

Not sure about the second because there are so many ways the second one can go. so I’m just goanna stick with normal ones

[jolly agate]

permanent stoppage of the heart, respiration, and brain activity.

[hot wharf]

im gonna try it

than you so much for all

[acoustic quarry]

I imagined death many times but I still don't know what nothingness really means

[jolly agate]

because it’s “nothing”

[jolly agate]

Nothing defining characteristics is that it doesn’t exist. You cant imagine something that does not exist.

[onyx hazel]

And If you're in a situation that you don't have anyone talk, talk to yourself, it really helps

[acoustic quarry]

We can't even imagine in death

[jolly agate]

I can

[acoustic quarry]

How

[acoustic quarry]

Konnichiwa

[jolly agate]

Laying on the floor not moving pronounced dead. Burned to ashes. Boom the end

[acoustic quarry]

Will you hope to come to life after death?

[acoustic quarry]

I want to talk amount materialistic happiness.

[jolly agate]

Nope, I would not.I had lived my life, I had made the both good and bad choices. I did things I didn’t want to do, I did things that I want to. I had fun, I had suffering. I had time now I don’t. Now I’m old probably have few minutes to live. All I wish for me to end forever and have my blessings on the ones I care about.

[acoustic quarry]

What do you think our life is a blessing or punishment?

[jolly agate]

What you want to talk about

[acoustic quarry]

Like we have to put our feelings into something to get happiness from it otherwise it means nothing to us

[acoustic quarry]

But that same thing can also give pain

[jolly agate]

It depends on individual, where they live, How there parents are, Their environment, are they suffering for any inherent disease. Life is a blessing for me, but if you were to ask the same question to those who have their limbs blown off becuase two countries don’t like each other, you may get an alternative answer. Or ask a child who is suffering from cancer, or his parents died in front of him. There are numerous scenario where one thinks life is a curse or blessing. At the end of the day, it’s their life they get to choose whether they living under a curse or a blessing.

[acoustic quarry]

Would you like to have a partner arround you while spending time on the beach or you would like to go alone?

Actually I think we want to experience everything as a human like we want to live alone and also live with others. We want everything but it's not possible sometimes.

[jolly agate]

Yes, it’s true We need to care about something to feel happy about it. If we don't care, it won't make us happy.

[jolly agate]

It’s not possible for everyone

[jolly agate]

This alone can simplify change many lives

[jolly agate]

True again

[acoustic quarry]

It completely depends upon person to person

[jolly agate]

Not just the person

Environment

Behaviour

[acoustic quarry]

True

[jolly agate]

inherent sickness etc

[acoustic quarry]

Richest people are also unhappy because of some scenarios which happened in their life

[formal pilot]

Not really

[acoustic quarry]

And some poorest people is happy because they left pain

[formal pilot]

Rich people aren't happy is just copium for we poor people

[jolly agate]

But how many rich people are willingly to trade theire positions with poor people not many I assure you, let’s flip the question how many poor people are willing to trade positions with rich people, many I assure you, why is that. Because of money, even if you think they are unhappy, they still want the freedom do whatever they want, nothing stopping them, form getting anything they like

[jolly agate]

Some yes and some no, same thing can be said for poor people, or middle class people

[jolly agate]

I don’t think they are happy when they can’t provide for their family. I don’t think they happy when cant pay the school fee.

there may be some poor people who are happy, but there some who isn’t

[torpid veldt]

It's a bit of a sad thought...

[acoustic quarry]

Every 5 minutes one person die by hunger

Most of the people die by smoking

[formal pilot]

Indeed

[acoustic quarry]

And every minute some do suicide

This is crazy

[formal pilot]

Around 20m people die each year of hunger-related causes

[acoustic quarry]

Pros and cons

[formal pilot]

For smoking it's around 8-9m

[acoustic quarry]

I have a question.
Why smoking is not banned?

[manic juniper]

It'll be in New Zealand

They will ban selling cigarettes according to people's year of birth, not their age

[formal pilot]

For some people it's copium

[acoustic quarry]

Allowing smoking is like allowing poison in shop

[manic juniper]

Alcohol too has little benefits and they're minimal

It isn't banned out of cultural reasons

[acoustic quarry]

Alcohol is important in cold area to keep person warm

[formal pilot]

Every ancient advanced civilization used to do some sort of psychedelic abuse, it's fascinating

[manic juniper]

It's just a sensation it gives, in reality it's more dangerous because it delays shivering

[formal pilot]

I'm against alcohol and drugs abuse
But I really think it can boost our brain power for limited time

Many scientists, writers, painters used to get high

[manic juniper]

Mental health issues make people create amazing stuff

Like The Elder Scrolls lore

[gaunt bronze]

I lied obviously I’m NOT Angela Merkel 😭

[formal pilot]

What's that

[manic juniper]

Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim...

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-awake-discord-skyrim-intro-skyrim-intro-discord-gif-22633629

[formal pilot]

Video games?

[manic juniper]

Yes