🧠｜serious-chat

[formal pilot]

I'm agnostic but close to atheist

[radiant root]

Guysss a serious question !
Can you have a daydream at night-time?

[uncut hound]

to be really honest I'm just not kinda vested into religion as a whole. atheism to me is pretty alien to me

[thorny steeple]

Yes if you are not sleeping

[uncut hound]

why believe in anything? believe in yourself

[worldly drum]

Yes and no

[uncut hound]

surely these funny electron people can't hurt me

[radiant root]

but its night right

[radiant root]

[upbeat belfry]

Yess because it has nothing to with time, day or night but you distracting in the present

[thorny steeple]

It's just a term for dreams while not sleeping

[uncut hound]

daydream as in, not available consciously speaking?

[formal pilot]

You'll only get other scientists on propaganda website, do you have any idea why celestial bodies have nearly spherical shape??

[uncut hound]

yeah it's all English semantics again

[worldly drum]

Agnosticism implies that you can't know for sure then how can you know that the universe is uncreated? Isn't it contradictory?

[radiant root]

i know but

[silver vault]

maybe don't think of it as 'atheism' per se, but rather as a journey of self-discovery, of intellectual exploration, of personal growth

[radiant root]

u mean while awake ?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[radiant root]

not available ?

[radiant root]

oooo cool

[uncut hound]

I think it's because western things are so prevalent nowadays the perspective of the west is pressed upon everything when alternative eastern views are available

[silver vault]

Because at the end of the day, it's not about what you believe, it's about why you believe it, and whether or not those beliefs are serving you well

[formal pilot]

No it's not, it mean accepting every possibility

@worldly drum which God is right God tell me then

[radiant root]

GUYs GUYs Guys
At what time did time begin?

[uncut hound]

0 o'clock

[feral river]

the time I was born is the time is begin

[worldly drum]

I can't tell you which one when you don't acknowledge that God exists

[feral river]

because I'm god

[worldly drum]

There's no point

[feral river]

you don't trust me bro

[thorny steeple]

No, you're chineese

[radiant root]

[uncut hound]

[radiant root]

not your
the time time

[feral river]

no I was saying that the time was begin when I was born which means when I was not borned the world doesn't exist.

you can trust me and let me send you to the heaven or you don't trust me whatever

[upbeat belfry]

Do you trust your parents? Did they not give birth to you? 🤣

[silver vault]

That's a pretty solid statement

[feral river]

that's unfalsible thing

it's pretty easy bro

if something is exist depends on what you trust.

[radiant root]

is that so ?????????
thats beyond my thinking
so what about all the things happend in past
for exapmle your parents hmm yk what i mean

[feral river]

why would we need science ?

I would say what you trust doesn't mean anything.

[uncut hound]

let's be real, we're humans, we are unqualified to talk about these things. the best we can do is argue around and around just like this

[upbeat belfry]

Yea it's easy bcz her parents lied to the world. They did not give birth to her. (How can a human give birth to a god?

[thorny steeple]

Tô prove or learn something instead of blindly believing something

[uncut hound]

we are positively taking shots into the air without aiming, and that's a major indication we aren't fit for this

[feral river]

I think yes. so I give it back to religion.

[worldly drum]

Exactly

[feral river]

that's why I was irreligious, because I don't wanna believing something blindly

[worldly drum]

That's where God come in

[feral river]

world is not like what you trust, it was be

[radiant root]

stupid humans

[feral river]

and the statement of god, is unfalsible.

that's why I don't trust god.

[uncut hound]

if god could come it would be nice, but otherwise we can't tell if he exists to tell us that

why does god have to conceal himself anyways?

[radiant root]

guysssssssssssssssssssssssssss
what about this point ?

[worldly drum]

He's not really hidden tbh

[thorny steeple]

Depends on the religion. Science can only prove or disprove something within the nature. God is beyond the nature since he is a creator of everything

[uncut hound]

is it inherently bad to not let your creations know who you are?

like an estranged, deadbeat father

[thorny steeple]

Science is only one method, there are many other ways

[uncut hound]

how can you tell?

[upbeat belfry]

"The hint is enough for the intellect"!

[thorny steeple]

Weren't you gonna sleep lol

[worldly drum]

If we accept that things exist

[silver vault]

On which basis are you going to prove this?

[thorny steeple]

Blind faith and science

[uncut hound]

what things do we accept?

[uncut hound]

isn't blind faith bad?

[radiant root]

GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
If God invented humans, who created God?

[uncut hound]

because it can be manipulated?

[thorny steeple]

Yup

[worldly drum]

The material world atleast

[silver vault]

Blind faith, on point but you can exclude the science from there lmao

[uncut hound]

then why add blind faith to the mix?

[feral river]

yes, I believe I was the creator of everything so I'm god

[silver vault]

Atheist in making

[radiant root]

If God invented humans, who created God?

[upbeat belfry]

God does not need anyone to be created

[uncut hound]

okay, but then again, why would he not appear publicly?

[feral river]

God created god itself just like me

[uncut hound]

then we have a fallacy!

[feral river]

my existence is the best proof of god

[radiant root]

but how can u explain ?

[uncut hound]

just like ouroborous, the icon of the snake eating itself, these are cyclical dead end questions

[radiant root]

how thats what i am asking mate

[humble lion]

Cat or dog

[upbeat belfry]

If God doesn't create the universe, how does it exist?

[silver vault]

You aren't going to give your parents any credit?

[thorny steeple]

Prove me you are a creator

[worldly drum]

Are you referring to our vision? Like the eyes?

[feral river]

yes ? but they're not god

[feral river]

already proofed

your existence proofed that I'm the creator

[silver vault]

Lmao @cerulean ore just answered that question, you can actually try reading things and then make your stance

[radiant root]

HYY EVERYONE ONE SERIOUS QUESTION
Are we living, or are we dying?

[thorny steeple]

No you didn't

[feral river]

yes I did, if you don't trust, that's just because you are unfaith

[silver vault]

Who said that?

[uncut hound]

no, as in why he wouldn't be known like a famous person instead of hiding

[worldly drum]

Hahaha nice question

[feral river]

I said that, because I'm god

[thorny steeple]

LOGIC ☝️

[uncut hound]

both

schrodingers cat

[silver vault]

But you can't turn water into wine

[feral river]

how do you know that I can't ?

[radiant root]

this things gonna keep me awake whole night

[thorny steeple]

Rn we are living but we'll die anyway

[feral river]

if you trust me, then I can

[silver vault]

Um there isn't any viable proof

[thorny steeple]

That's called a BLIND FAITH

[radiant root]

one answer only plzzzzzzzzzz

[feral river]

I would give that back to religion.

[silver vault]

Now as an atheist I'm gonna disapprove of you

[uncut hound]

let's be for real, we are funny pink brain mush animating a mass of bones. our subconscious is the brain and we are the conscious which forms through whatever functions

[radiant root]

thats what i asked but u said it another way

[thorny steeple]

Sure. But which lol

[uncut hound]

everything is based on trust. end of the questions

[feral river]

I would say one thing is clear, the religion is based on trust, if you think the world is like what you trust, I would say everything can be just what I trust.

It's not the logic.

[mild pumice]

Atleast this chat is sane

[feral river]

World is not like what you trust, it was be.

[mild pumice]

Greets

[worldly drum]

I think he's pretty famous like maybe some people question whether he exists or not but the overwhelming majority accepts his existence the point of contention is his identity and/or what he's like

[thorny steeple]

Not everything. Some things are based on understanding and knowledge, some things can be proven with logic and science

[feral river]

I'm just explaining how religion works, but for me I'm irreligious and I don't trust anything besides truth.

[worldly drum]

Necessary Existence

That's what God is

[uncut hound]

then what is understanding and knowledge? can we trust it? (did you get the pun? 😉

[mild pumice]

Where humans trust themselves

[upbeat belfry]

So what do you think is truth?

[feral river]

God is if you trust, it exist, if you don't trust it doesn't exist.

[worldly drum]

So is everything else

[thorny steeple]

That's a different matter

[uncut hound]

okay I think we've been debating this for long enough. there's nothing we can gain from this anymore

[feral river]

truth is complicted to explain, but it's something like falsible which means it can be proven by science, or it can be against by science too.

[worldly drum]

Are you aware of the concept of necessary Existence or necessary being?

[uncut hound]

frn is on the side of religion, I and 652 is on the side of bliss and the rest I doubt know if they are cooking coke

[silver vault]

it might be more precise to say that theists have faith in or believe in their god, as trust implies a reliance on reliability, and the relationship with a deity might involve more aspects than just trust in the conventional sense

[uncut hound]

absolutely. but what will we gain from explaining it? human thought is full of loopholes don't you think?

[feral river]

God is if you trust, it exist, if you don't trust it doesn't exist.

[mild pumice]

I know that's not what you meant, but there are certain instances where one can't even begin to trust the consciousness of oneself.

[uncut hound]

to think themselves as comprehending everything, it is a funny thought

[feral river]

I think this statement explains everything.

[worldly drum]

But that's all we have

[feral river]

for example, God is if you trust, it exist, if you don't trust it doesn't exist, but Human is if you trust, it exist, if you don't trust it still exist.

[silver vault]

Me personally, I think "Faith" or "belief" is more accurate in describing the conviction or confidence that theists have in the existence and guidance of their god

[uncut hound]

the human organism is inherent faulty. if god designed us then I'm sure he failed hard on how to do boolean logic

[feral river]

that's the difference from truth, and belief.

[radiant root]

GUYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
How can you describe something indescribable?

[worldly drum]

I'm on the side of religion as well. I'm actually a staunch Muslim, gnostic theist

[uncut hound]

you don't, that's the best part

[mild pumice]

I can't describe it

[uncut hound]

it's the influence of our cultures that shapes us into who we are now

[thorny steeple]

everyone comprehending themselves are drunk on the illusion the God created

[feral river]

for me I know how religion works why would I falling into this ? well maybe I will became a god believer if I can get benefit from this.

[radiant root]

thats what i said

[uncut hound]

my culture doesn't place a lot on religion so I don't think about it much

for the Muslim folk, it's everywhere

[feral river]

if you give me 1000 USD per day and make me pray everyday 1min of course I'm gonna do it's a good deal

[uncut hound]

its the environmental and societal factors which shape the sword from the dull iron ingot into the mighty sword

[radiant root]

i asking to describe it
if u cant no worries mate
not everyone is intelligent

[worldly drum]

You have a fairly materialistic line of thought no?

[uncut hound]

then again, isn't our world dominated by capitalism and materialism?

[thorny steeple]

Sadly people's instincts are devoted to the desire for getting money as top priority

[worldly drum]

It definitely ia

[uncut hound]

we are swept up by the waves and must travel with it

[worldly drum]

Is*

[thorny steeple]

I wanted people to prioritize love and kindness

[feral river]

yes ? you can say it is. but you might it's not if I don't say it.

[mild pumice]

Although, it can solve most of our problems and buy us happiness... except some crucial ones..

[thorny steeple]

😭

[uncut hound]

there are base human instincts which are always active. the need for competition most exemplary

[worldly drum]

Too much philosophy

[thorny steeple]

true true. that exactly is what enrich us.

[feral river]

philosophy is about questioning

actually the opposite of religion

but both thing can be merged.

[worldly drum]

Questions and answers will always be together

[uncut hound]

it's about time we get out of earth you think?

[thorny steeple]

merge into what

[mild pumice]

But in most cases, logic fails religion and vice versa

[thorny steeple]

I'm curious

[uncut hound]

I hate the mushy rock we live on

[feral river]

yes

[worldly drum]

We long for that

[uncut hound]

I like the asteroids and jovial planets more

[feral river]

and yes

[thorny steeple]

mushy rock?

[mild pumice]

Not much that the tiny lil' germs can do about it

[thorny steeple]

It means fragile or something similar?

[uncut hound]

nah, earth

[thorny steeple]

I see

[uncut hound]

I'm staunchly anti earth

I wanna nuke it, reset the clock of evolution

[worldly drum]

Traitor

You shall be hanged

[uncut hound]

and I shall be in space where you can never see me

[thorny steeple]

primitivism

[uncut hound]

nah I just hate earth because it restricts us from expanding into space

[thorny steeple]

with no technologies we can't communicate like this from long distance

[mild pumice]

We can "hang" you and join the other end of the rope with a rocket

[uncut hound]

the space race should have continued in my opinion. a boom of technology and a mix of fertile bright minds full of ideas

[thorny steeple]

I see. in my perspective about human is the invader across the universe

[upbeat belfry]

Science left the chat

[uncut hound]

but I feel like our foray into space has been delayed by many planetside things

[mild pumice]

Humans are overrated and egoistic gits

[uncut hound]

it's genuinely wasteful how much we spent only to live on the same rock for so long

[mild pumice]

We can't really go a year without bugging into each other (wars)

[uncut hound]

oh I'm sure war in space will be fun

heard of KKVs?

[upbeat belfry]

Human ❌ parasite ✔️

[thorny steeple]

I agree. they are ignorant, totally selfish, and fools

[uncut hound]

kinetic kill vehicles, basically go really fast and newtons third law will do it's job of absolutely destroyjng everything

[upbeat belfry]

2

[uncut hound]

on the moon it's more effective

[thorny steeple]

yes including us

[uncut hound]

on earth, the atmosphere slows them down too much

hey opencat

[upbeat belfry]

And we justify being selfish as self-love

[uncut hound]

did you know that you can throw a basketball from one continent away on the moon and it would still hit the loops?

yeah have fun with the diminished gravity

ballin' 🏀

[thorny steeple]

YESYESYES we love justifying anything we thought want to protect for our interests.

[upbeat belfry]

Can you throw me too? Fly me to the moon 🎶🎶🎶

[uncut hound]

gravity has a fun effect on signals

[mild pumice]

We gotta teach Curry some serious mathematics if we gonna make it someday

[uncut hound]

who is curry?

[thorny steeple]

Scientifically manipulation by geoengineering

[uncut hound]

oh the NBA player?

[mild pumice]

Ye

[upbeat belfry]

That's a dish ig

[mild pumice]

Not wrong

[thorny steeple]

modern tech can easily make climate control

[uncut hound]

to be fair I'm certain it would have to involve some crazy ass trajectory for the ball not to escape the sphere of influence of the moon even a little bit lol.

[mild pumice]

Or we can just tamper the damn ball to make it fly to its destination..

[uncut hound]

intra-solar transportation in reality will be done most by rockets powered by xenon or kryptonite, or any noble gas mix really

[thorny steeple]

where destination is located do we guess...

[mild pumice]

Only if I had a pint of knowledge in Chemistry

[uncut hound]

noble gases just have exceptional atomic weight, meaning they have a lot of atoms for us to shoot out of the ion thruster

[mild pumice]

I like physics though..it's far more logical than Chem

[mild pumice]

Makes sense

[uncut hound]

noble means fat basically

a pun, sorta?

[mild pumice]

I gotta eat science books for breakfast to get it..

[thorny steeple]

we can do as we wish scientifically as long as it is unauthorized alterations of specifications.

[mild pumice]

Hey anyone here interested in thermodynamics?

[thorny steeple]

For instance, it's reverse engineering on Discord(but against rule)

[mild pumice]

This guy's sorta gone

[thorny steeple]

all about physics, yes but definitely become difficult to get it

[mild pumice]

So we can talk about whatever you want

[thorny steeple]

We are on the freedom of speech

yes we can

[mild pumice]

Living in a democracy got its benefits

[uncut hound]

you know, I find it funny how serious chat is serious and beginner chat is basically a bunch of kids parroting the same question over and over again lmao

[mild pumice]

As the name suggests

This chat is all philosophers, scientists, literates and commoners..

[thorny steeple]

hilarious, isn't it

[feral river]

maybe, but I don't like to entitle myself, it's kind of arrogant.

[mild pumice]

Gotcha mate

[feral river]

btw what does mate mean, is that a different kind of bro or dude ?

I merely hear this word and it seems a little bit weird.

[mild pumice]

And it doesn't takes the gender into accounts

[feral river]

like friend ?

[mild pumice]

Yea

[feral river]

maybe this word is not origin from the US.

I got too much english influences from the US

like videos, cultures, etc

[mild pumice]

I see

[green bobcat]

hii folks

[mild pumice]

I don't know much of English

[green bobcat]

wassup?

[feral river]

wassuppppp

[mild pumice]

Just read Harry Potter books in the pandemics and just kept reading after that

[green bobcat]

Where are you from pals?

[thorny steeple]

take into account as phrase?

[feral river]

China mainland (People's Republic of China)

[green bobcat]

Cool

[thorny steeple]

I was taught that phrase in Japanese textbooks.

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[green bobcat]

Discord is accessible in China?

I wonder tho

[thorny steeple]

with vpn can!

[green bobcat]

Yeah

[mild pumice]

Yea, vpn..

[feral river]

vpn

[mild pumice]

All praise the mighty vpn

[feral river]

just 5 usd per month

[green bobcat]

But very less people access out app

[feral river]

cheap and accessible

[green bobcat]

not too much mate

[young bone]

Lol

[feral river]

if they want.

[green bobcat]

then they can

What is your profession?

[vagrant swan]

cant people in china use discord in normal ways?

[green bobcat]

Nope

[vagrant swan]

damn

[thorny steeple]

but be careful Mincraft, even vpn if that was originated in CCP it's pointless. I recommend you to specifically check it out indetail.

[green bobcat]

Chinese government has restricted

[vagrant swan]

for what

[green bobcat]

Security

[manic juniper]

His parents are in the CCP

[mild pumice]

Western influence

[manic juniper]

I don't think he cares

[feral river]

well

China is not restrict as you think

[thorny steeple]

sussy... but ok I trust you

[feral river]

all of my friend, whether they were CCP member or not, all use VPN

but some people doesn't use VPN because they don't care or they don't know how to speak english

[green bobcat]

Make sense!

[feral river]

actually the major problem was the language barrier

[thorny steeple]

English?

[feral river]

yes

[mild pumice]

And they just destroy me every time in an FPS game..

[feral river]

most people in China don't know how to speak english

[feral river]

I was playing CSGO right now and texting here

[thorny steeple]

and knowledge of programming for instance how to look up script on github

[feral river]

yes

[thorny steeple]

really? then what about Chinese who can speak fluently ever I've been met in China?

[feral river]

and I will be a member of CCP soon

[thorny steeple]

HAHA really

[feral river]

well if you visited some places like Shanghai those developed areas

but some places like developing city, you can't even find english

I was living the capital of Shandong

so this city is pretty developed.

[thorny steeple]

It looks like intense top-down environment is established there

[mild pumice]

The accent is so versatile too

[manic juniper]

Why if you aren't even communist

[feral river]

CCP is not communist XD

[manic juniper]

I know

[green bobcat]

I had a Chinese friend on another app but she was not competent to operate VPN as well

[manic juniper]

Party of hypocrites

[feral river]

maybe it was before, but not for now

[vagrant swan]

carrying team while chatting :C

[thorny steeple]

I know. modern CCP recognized how profitable capitalism is, and that is why they are trying to self-destruct by spreading Corona virus that no one can blame but CCP can blame others for their failure that current regime was wrong?

[green bobcat]

How is your experience guys using Discord?

[feral river]

actually covid damages the reputation of CCP

[thorny steeple]

Excellent but I hate updates that automatically is added to and turned on the malicious settings.

[feral river]

I don't think that virus is just came out from any regime but by a mistake

[thorny steeple]

It's like making our privacy exploited

[manic juniper]

Recent studies suggest it was because of the unsanitary conditions of the Wuhan markets

[green bobcat]

Gotcha! I don't use every day this application tho

[thorny steeple]

lol

[feral river]

actually there is no direct evidence say it's being leaked deliberately by CCP or west.

[manic juniper]

It likely wasn't

[green bobcat]

Did you guys hear the news in the US about how the CEO of the social media companies got smashed?

[thorny steeple]

by who

[feral river]

Tiktok

[manic juniper]

However the CCP tried to block any possible independent research on the matter for some reasons

[feral river]

that's what USA is doing

and CCP is also doing

covid is very unstable, dangrous and out of control.

I don't think any regime getting any benefit from this

[thorny steeple]

I think CCP also wanted to quit contemporary regime themselves but if they quit now, the execution they will be taken is inevitable. that's why they did such things like spreading rumors and virus.

I sympathize with CCP in some way

[manic juniper]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348750/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9348752/

[manic juniper]

USA did that with the Spanish fever

[feral river]

it's just in our prospect west is evil, and in west's prospect, our is evil blablabla

[manic juniper]

It's why it's called Spanish fever despite it being from USA farm animals and crops

Spain was the first country to openly report it and was blamed for it

[thorny steeple]

Both country's interests conflicts.

[feral river]

yes but it doesn't make sense to say that CCP is doing this

[thorny steeple]

But such confliction gives birth to new market such as military industry

[feral river]

CCP has high reputation in China fr.

at least we all know what they do

[green bobcat]

Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told Mark Zuckerberg he had blood on his hands and that social media platforms are "killing people" during a Senate hearing where the Meta CEO and other tech executives are testifying about child safety. Graham went on to call for the repeal of Section 230. Haha!!

Not just tik tok but rather all big platforms

Even discord CEO

[thorny steeple]

Even our country has been prejudiced we likely tend to one-sided think.

[green bobcat]

But especially Tik tok and Meta got whacked

[thorny steeple]

Any country are doing propaganda, aren't they

[feral river]

they do

[thorny steeple]

yes

[feral river]

we are prejudiced also in here

but don't think chinese people would trust

they don't even trust god why would they trust your rumor ?

I mean ccp's rumor and usa's rumor

my parents, my friend all have a clearly knowing about something happened around us, they may have different opinion but they know the truth.

[thorny steeple]

All humans live with the wrong assumptions.
Isn't that another way of looking at it?

[feral river]

philosophy

[green bobcat]

This is the high time to sleep.
Good night!

[thorny steeple]

have good night

[feral river]

my dad is a philosopher, he know ancient greek philosophy, marxism philosophy, western general philosophy etc. (well a lot anyways)

[feral river]

have a good night

[green bobcat]

Really?

[north light]

wow

[feral river]

yeah but it's a little complicated, so I don't understand that much

I only know something like ideologies, politics, science, and a little bit philosophy and religion

[green bobcat]

I'm too much interested in philosophy

It's nice that you know

What do you mean by philosophy if you have to define?

[feral river]

for me, how do you explain the world is philosophy.

[green bobcat]

In a simple statement I say; philosophy is the love of truth. Looking the things as they are.

[feral river]

questioning is core of philosophy.

[green bobcat]

Great

Questioning is the beginning of intelligent

[feral river]

yes I love questioning

and logics too

[green bobcat]

Then you have a curious mind

[feral river]

that's correct.

[green bobcat]

Yep without logic we can go towards superstition

[feral river]

but sometimes, I just want to take a nap~

[green bobcat]

That's nice

[feral river]

yes actually I don't like those people, like they have superstition on things

[green bobcat]

Nap is a great way to be energetic

[feral river]

and just trust one thing without questioning

I think that's stupid.

[green bobcat]

Same!

[thorny steeple]

Let's become health-conscious people

[green bobcat]

That's a great point

But the thing is how to be ?

Haha

[feral river]

depends what is your prospect to explain.

[thorny steeple]

haha

[feral river]

perfect answer isn't it ?

idk

[green bobcat]

As a science lover, especially physics, I understand the universe

[feral river]

my ex asked me this question and I answered depends what you are gonna explain it

[green bobcat]

Yep perfect

[green bobcat]

Your Ex?

[feral river]

don't you know what does ex mean ?

[green bobcat]

Now you broke up?

[feral river]

yeah

[green bobcat]

I know

But why?

[feral river]

because no love anymore

[green bobcat]

I see

It happens sometimes

[feral river]

we even stay in one house for almost half of a year

but we broke up.

fr that's my 4th ex.

[green bobcat]

Sometimes love is brewed in cauldron

[feral river]

damn

[green bobcat]

Haha

Omg 4th?

[feral river]

don't ask my body count I don't remember anyways

idc about that.

[green bobcat]

Haha

Yeah shouldn't tho

Whatever happens, happens for good

So just enjoy your present without looking at past

[feral river]

well I guess ? I consider love as a sweet shit.

[green bobcat]

Exactly 🤣

[feral river]

🤣

[green bobcat]

But true love still does exist ❤️

What do you think?

[feral river]

IT DOESN"T EXIST 💔

need crying

love such a scammer

[green bobcat]

It is coming from your bad experiences about love

Nope

We can't say

[feral river]

idk if I can find my true love again

but I lost my true love before.

[green bobcat]

When you'll find true love I'm sure that will be for life long

[feral river]

yes I guess... actually maybe my criteria is too high

[thorny steeple]

We cling to all know and understand.

[green bobcat]

Like?

[thorny steeple]

And we lable it reality

[feral river]

intelligent, not fat, not black 💀

maybe it can't be pretty but just don't be ugly please

[green bobcat]

Love is not mere attachment to your baby, love is not attachment in any form; love is not jealousy, ambition, fulfilment or becoming; love is not desire or pleasure. Then what is love?😱

[green bobcat]

Nice choice 😃

[feral river]

well I have to say, I'm not a racist but please, I don't accept blacks.

[green bobcat]

Yep it's true! I think everyone wants a cool gf/bf. I mean attractive

[green bobcat]

I understand! Even I might also not. Haha

[feral river]

😭 my ex is so damn attractive....

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[green bobcat]

Nice 🙂

[feral river]

let's the past be the past.

[green bobcat]

But sometimes caring people are better than attractive

[green bobcat]

Yes it's better

[feral river]

depends what kind of caring

[green bobcat]

Yes true

How old are you tho?

[feral river]

awake me in midnight because of boring.....

PTSD

I'm 21, 22 this year.

[green bobcat]

😶

Nowadays, everyone wishes for pleasure Maybe that's why love is getting faded up

Pleasure is the structure of society. From childhood until death we are secretly, cunningly or obviously pursuing pleasure. Haha!!

[green bobcat]

Post-traumatic stress disorder can be treated tho

The primary treatment is psychotherapy.

A psychologist has to understand the one's problem deeply

Then they can diagnose

If not then medication is required to diagnose

Hahaha!! Let's hit the hay!!!-

[feral river]

yes, but I don't think I have that disease haha

I literally mentally healthy and I think I don't need any treatment (treatment is expensive)

[green bobcat]

Then psychological disorder

[formal pilot]

Learnt this the hard way

[green bobcat]

It can be treated by someone; psychatrist. ( maybe I can) haha!

[formal pilot]

Are you psychiatrist?

[green bobcat]

Not by profession!

But I have a bit understanding

I have deeply understood the mind

Sometimes talking to someone can help them to come out some toxic chaos if we can understand what their mind is demanding

[formal pilot]

Yeah you're right dude

[green bobcat]

Tomorrow is Sunday

Ohh today

As it's 12:05

So I'm free

It's the cause I'm still here

Hahaha

[formal pilot]

Sometimes brain feels like parasite

Our body is host

[green bobcat]

True

Limbic system and PFC

Both are responsible for many things

[formal pilot]

Yeah

[green bobcat]

Where are you from mate?

[formal pilot]

Area 51

[green bobcat]

What 😮

[formal pilot]

Or we're not controlled by CNS, we're CNS

[green bobcat]

This is my first time having conversation on discord

[green bobcat]

Ohh 😱😱😱

[formal pilot]

I like to be anonymous on discord, i say really f up things here, don't want any smoke

[green bobcat]

I seeeeee 😶

I liked your G n tho

[formal pilot]

What's that

[green bobcat]

U was bidden

Haha

Hidden**

[formal pilot]

What's your take on immortality?

[green bobcat]

How does this app work basically?

[formal pilot]

Sometimes it's really confusing, please watch YT videos, that'll be helpful for sure

[green bobcat]

Immortality doesn't exist, I think. After a certain time ( after getting older) we have to leave this place. Maybe science do something in future regarding this

[green bobcat]

Okay 👍
For how long have you been using this app?

[thorny steeple]

It is never as long as you're utilizing Discord. Your personal information like activity is being retrieved and accumulated into their discord server.

[formal pilot]

4-5 years

[green bobcat]

Yeah

[green bobcat]

You come daily?

[formal pilot]

On n off

[green bobcat]

Who created this server tho?

[green bobcat]

I see

[formal pilot]

This channel is for serious chat only

Come on in #🧊｜chill-chat

[green bobcat]

Ohh got it 😀

[thorny steeple]

What was the situation of LGBTİQ persons in stone ages? İs there any resource about this?

[glad patio]

There probably wasn't an issue, it was part of religions so people probably saw it as a celestial thing

[manic juniper]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grotta_dell'Addaura

It's impossible to get the meaning so you have to fill the gaps yourself

There are also two representations of ambiguous sex people, such as a man buried like a woman and people with both testicles and breasts

[hard parrot]

@fathom vine @thorny steeple
"Whoever changes his religion, kill him" [Sunan an-Nasa'i 4061 narrated by ibn Abbas] is a weak Hadith and there is so no proper authentication
In the quran:
"But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith, never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have gone astray." (Quran 3:90)

"Make you no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin." (Quran 9:66)

"He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief, on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement." (Quran 16:106)

"Believe in the morning what is revealed to the believers, but reject it at the end of the day; perchance they may Turn back (ie leave Islam)" (Quran 3:72)

So since it contradicts the Quran, it probably isn't true

[manic juniper]

What about 4:89

[hard parrot]

A lot of islamic states didn't follow the Islamic laws that well. It probably was racial hatred. Like how some of the Mughal emperors did perform genocide on hindus. But our prophet (pbuh) restricted us from harming innocent women and children. So it's just some royalty bs

[hard parrot]

"They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allāh. But if they turn away [i.e., refuse], then seize them and kill them [for their betrayal] wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper"
-[surah an-nisa, verse 89]

Duh, traitors = execution. What am I supposed to do? That's literally basic martial law

[static swift]

Why exactly in that ayah 😭

Wait it's surat

Okay then Muslims can't kill me

[halcyon oak]

Are you sure?

[hard parrot]

"Betrayal" refers to if they change their mind and cause you harm instead

[static swift]

Yeah I believe in God so It's haram to kill me

[halcyon oak]

Yeah, but usually they don't ask do you believe in god or not.

[hard parrot]

You can't kill an unarmed man (law of war)

[static swift]

Well if someone wants to kill someone they probably won't care about anything

[silver vault]

But the betrayal in this context is the renunciation of faith or turning against the Muslim community

[halcyon oak]

Yes, but if we are talking about radical muslims then they doesn't care about laws and all this. If they think that they can kill you then they will and they won't care about laws.

[silver vault]

Exactly

[manic juniper]

It's similar to the charge for impiety in ancient societies

Greeks used to exile, maybe rarely kill people if they didn't show respect or reverence to the gods

But it's difficult to understand

[hard parrot]

Yeah so about that. Muslim and Islam are connected but not the same thing. Muslim means one who believes in the faith and Islam is the faith. Killing isn't the only thing where things stop. It's just people's mindset. Just like how US police are supposed to abide by the constitution but some of them still do racial profiling. Similarly even tho it's restricted in Islam, Muslims may do crimes too. Though it doesn't justify their actions whatsoever

Fck too much things to type

Fck y'all my back hurts

[manic juniper]

What's law or isn't depends on the code used

[static swift]

Get well soon

[manic juniper]

If killing for apostasy is law then it isn't a crime, child marriage was legal in Korea in 1700

[static swift]

Think positive you are earning hasanat

[static swift]

Child legal was legal everywhere if we will look at the past

[hard parrot]

I didn't say it's a law. It's a weak Hadith. Simple stuff

[manic juniper]

I know

[static swift]

And people used to die earlier so the start life earlier

[halcyon oak]

Yes. I agree with you.

[manic juniper]

But isn't that directly from the fourth chapter of the Quran?

[thorny steeple]

Sorry, I didn't understand the beggining of your text

"by an anti-communist curse?"
Actually, It was the climate crisis and the sabotage as I sad in my text. There were countries that suffered with the famine, and they weren't even part of USSR in 1932, countries like: Poland and Romania.

Germany was the main enemy of USSR, so in that time, Germany made a lot of anti-stalin, anti-communist propaganda, and now these Nazis propaganda are spread around the world, because people don't even know where they came from.

[hearty gyro]

what is the best book for productivity

[manic juniper]

🤔

[jolly agate]

Read any book

If you can

[thorny steeple]

Is it Wikipedia?

[manic juniper]

Yes, it uses one or two Russian government sources and the others are from Kazakhstan's government

[thorny steeple]

Russian government or USSR government?

[onyx hazel]

Wikipedia 💀 💀

[manic juniper]

Russian

[manic juniper]

Should we ask a Kazakh instead?

https://epc2012.eaps.nl/papers/120586

[thorny steeple]

Guys I want to ask about the best new video games for learning English with community ?

[thorny steeple]

Are you talking about the famine in USSR? Sorry, I don't wdym

GTA or ETS2

[manic juniper]

Yes, and the later ethnic composition

[thorny steeple]

But did this happen after the collapse of the USSR? During that government's time, was the USSR already Russia?

[manic juniper]

The USSR wasn't a thing anymore

[narrow fossil]

CandyCST back at it again

defending USSR

Crusader of communism

[manic juniper]

I'd say it was good, at least to my people, in the first few years

But that time didn't last for long

[uncut hound]

the USSR was a major player in my country's development

[thorny steeple]

The USSR had two periods, the time of Stalin, Lenin, and the era of Nikita Khrushchev. Khrushchev's period was the worst for the USSR, not Stalin's, mainly because Stalin had prepared the USSR for war. Khrushchev was so bad that he caused the collapse of the USSR. After Khrushchev, the Russia turned into a really bad country.

[uncut hound]

to be fair, we did strike a bet with the US president at the time, but that went to nowhere as the old guy passed and the new one took power in the office

[manic juniper]

I'd say Lenin's was better because minorities weren't deported for no reason and he didn't start wars or annexation of nearby countries, plus some minorities like the one my mum belongs to were having the respect they deserved

[narrow fossil]

Lenin was not nearly as bad as stalin and khruschev

[uncut hound]

history is anything clear, rather it's inundated with a great many stories, tales and anecdotes woven into one large tapestry

[manic juniper]

Russia is bad but it's better than both Stalin's and post-Stalin's USSR regarding how it treats its Siberian minorities

[uncut hound]

it's good people that argue about history, but bad that people deny some facts that have been made very clear

[narrow fossil]

Lenin was a lot more marxist in ideals and was a lot more tolerant

[narrow fossil]

it was a joke

[uncut hound]

then my apologies for misunderstanding it. I was trying to expand on what you meant basically

[narrow fossil]

Yeah dw about it

[uncut hound]

😉👍

we can roll with that

[thorny steeple]

The evidence is up there; I'm not defending, I'm saying there's justification for what happened at the time. But people respond with simple answers like 'propaganda,' 'not true,' 'you're defending a killer,' and it's funny because these kinds of comments don't explain anything.

[narrow fossil]

dude

read above

It was a joke

[thorny steeple]

no prob, it's okay

[onyx hazel]

You seem like a teacher here

[safe trout]

hi

[onyx hazel]

@narrow fossil are you from Japan?

[uncut hound]

to be fair, I'm a teacher too, but a part timer at that.

[narrow fossil]

ye

[onyx hazel]

マジ？

[narrow fossil]

yes

[onyx hazel]

That's awesome, I love Japan

[narrow fossil]

私は東京生まれです

[uncut hound]

hey plastic, have you been to the northwestern tip of Japan before?

[onyx hazel]

That's cool

English Teacher?

[uncut hound]

yeah, been teaching since last year

have to balance my job with my studies though, glad it's only on the weekend mornings

[narrow fossil]

Hokaido?

I visited Sapporo as a kid

but I barely remember it

[uncut hound]

I had a former friend from there!😆sadly we lost contact, which is a shame

he introduced to me a lot of things about japanese culture, always jovial to share and discuss stuff... man I miss that guy

[obtuse perch]

Dead

C

H

[uncut hound]

it is only dead because the wisemen are asleep

[obtuse perch]

At

[static swift]

Sleep bro

[static swift]

True I just woke up

[static coyote]

i woke up in the middle of the night

[uncut hound]

you woke up in a new bugatti

🗣️

[lone vale]

Hi guys hope yll doing well. I recently got a job offer . This is my first one . It's a client facing role requires interaction a lot. I have this fear that i dont talk much or does not fall into "extrovert" category. So how bad would it hurt?. Is it a made up problem in my head? Do share your suggestions.

[harsh spade]

Maybe u r having jitters coz it's ur first job, btw no one is born extrovert or introvert ,ur surroundings hv a important role in making u introvert or extrovert, if u r inclined towards introvert category, simply challange ur self start talking to people around u, take a baby step, the best thing to do here is practice, join Voice chat, it's a good option

And always remember "what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"

[jolly agate]

Just do your job, you will get used to it.

[feral river]

It's hard to understand how introvert's psychology activity as a extrovert person.

but I guess, It's related to proficiency. the more talk more people you meet the more e you are.

conversely, the less people you talk and you meet the more i you are.

people will scare of unfamiliar things, that's natural.

but more scientifically, the disposition is actually depend on your status of your body.

how many hormone you have, how many xxx you have, will influence your disposition, which means form of an i or e character is complex. physiological and psychological both can influence this final result.

[thorny steeple]

^someone pointed out , that you'll get used to it.There's more to it, Do not worry about a criteria such as extroversion

[feral river]

so in conclusion, if you can take up your courage, and going to try something new, that's a good way and if you can't you can try to adjust what you eat or your routine etc. it also helps you.

[lone vale]

Yess i also feel bcz it's my first job that I'm so much of doubts whether i will be able to pull it off or not.

[green bobcat]

I got this one from somewhere 😶

Got surprised!

Could brain chips let us control our phones with our minds? That's what Elon Musk hopes.
A wireless chip has been successfully placed in a human brain by Elon Musk's Neuralink company. The device is able to read the brain signals linked to movement and send them to a computer. Musk Said that future innovations may allow us to control our phone or computer just by thinking.
Pros and Cons of this Technology? 😱

[green bobcat]

It's a major issue. Only dialogue will be able to resolve it. Hence, make an effort to speak with the client as often as you can. Whether they like it or not, poor speech is inconsequential.

Certain psychological issues can be handled with simple thought changes, while others require medicine. It's a sort of psychological condition that can be fixed right away.

While I was in school, I faced the same issue a few years ago, but now I'm able to speak in front of an audience. It's merely a matter of shifting one's perspective. I used to overthink things before. Hehe!!!

[deep loom]

If that's true, it's really scary to know.

[green bobcat]

Yep it's but also boon for human mankind

@all members

Is there anybody available?

[uncut hound]

it depends. augmentations, specifically mechanical ones, have issues in space due to the lack of electromagnetic shielding from the Sun, which would have otherwise been afforded to those who live in an atmosphere

but then again, astronauts already have a lot of shielding from cosmic radiation in their suits. there might be a push to make those suits usable for people with augmentations

[uncut hound]

it's a mixed bag. have you heard of the few people in this world who were previously able to see thanks to their optical implants going blind again because the company responsible for maintaining those implants went bankrupt?

https://hackaday.com/2022/12/16/what-happens-when-implants-become-abandonware/

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/people-bionic-eye-implants-going-170654452.html

https://stealthoptional.com/biotech/bionic-eye-left-blind/

[green bobcat]

I am a 22-year-old man working in an MNC IT company (scholar trainee) while also pursuing engineering. I love science (physics). I enjoy engaging in conversations with individuals possessing creative minds, those who think logically, intellectually, and differently than others. I have a strong aversion to working for creating something new and am dedicated to identifying a global issue to solve. This pursuit is not only for personal satisfaction but also to create employment opportunities and contribute to alleviating poverty. If there's anyone with the same personality, ping me. I'd love to have friendship with yo.

[uncut hound]

aight 👍

[green bobcat]

https://www.youtube.com/live/a8waUqfalYg?si=ygUKCSjX0eX2FW8b

[uncut hound]

there is a vast trove of these cautionary tales in the realm of medical implants. i don't really have trusts in these implants (yet) as the companies that are responsible for their creation are too small and could go out of business at any moment, leaving many people in the dark and resulting in a medical fiasco of unimaginable size for those caring for disabled people with these implants

as for the neuralink, many have reported their previous test subjects (monkeys) suffered spasms and intense agony due to botched medical procedures

https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pcrm-neuralink-monkey-deaths/

[green bobcat]

Stephan Hawking had said I'm still alive because of technology

Yep

[uncut hound]

as for stephen, he used a non-intrusive device to emulate speech

[silver vault]

Was this guy really mentioned in Epstein Island's guest list

[green bobcat]

https://youtu.be/VYxjumUhji0?si=PluBtrIJy5wKvssK

[uncut hound]

he was, but it's a hoax to say he did any depraved activities

[silver vault]

I just can't even get my head around the fact that he somehow managed to execute such thing

[uncut hound]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/18/private-jets-parties-and-eugenics-jeffrey-epsteins-bizarre-world-of-scientists

[silver vault]

Is there any credible source, where i can read more about this?

[uncut hound]

jeffrey epstein wanted to appear smart in the eyes of his guest. plus, there was an incentive for scientists to come over as Epstein could provide funding for them in an otherwise barren goverment-funded research scene

they didn't know of why jeffrey invited them over, but he offered money- that is which is so rare to come by in the independently funded science scene

[silver vault]

It's sad that scientists, who are often underfunded and struggling to make ends meet, might have been tempted by his offer of financial support

But did he engage in any unethical behaviour tho?

[uncut hound]

as of yet unknown, but i doubt it

[silver vault]

I see

[uncut hound]

to be fair to the man, he's literally unable to move any muscle except the cheek muscles

[silver vault]

He cheated on his wife while being in that condition, didn't he?

[uncut hound]

i'm not sure, let me see...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/stephen-hawkings-tangled-private-life-two-marriages-ended-in-divorce/U5YO2F5XTR3NQFICB4TK755H2A/

he certainly had complications during the first one due to the fame he had amassed which brought along paparazzi and other interferences in familial matters

the alleged cheating might have been from tabloids seeking to draw in viewership

[silver vault]

Damn 😭 so now it leads to me understanding the fact that it's always important to do your research and gather evidence before making claims

especially when it involves someone's reputation

There were accusations about him cheating on his wife but I never followed up on that because the mainstream media doesn't really provide the full view of the situation

[dusky island]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1cwTbxCxVZ/?igsh=cTV2aTk2bG01M3M1

humanmovieteam

📹Filistinli kardeşler erişte yaparken YouTube videosu çekmek için video kaydına bastı ancak İsrail bombaları yüzünden videoları yarım kaldı.

Palestinian brothers pressed video record to make a YouTube video while making noodles, but their video was left unfinished due to Israeli bombs.

#palestine #youtube #vlog

Likes

55502

Instagram

[green bobcat]

Haha

[prime cloak]

Oh of course there is justification, in order to feed russian people and moscowites the soviet union took grains from people who lived in rural ukraine and had them die of starvation... I am not anti-russian, i love russian culture, love soviet movies, but holodomor was a dark chapter in slavic history and ukrainians feel it until today

we've got huge ukrainian communities here in my country of people who fled holodomor

even american journalists from the new york times denied holodomor because they were bought by the soviet government, one of them even won the pulitzer prize

[mighty thistle]

Can somebody give me recommdations about any good English books to read?

[formal pilot]

If you're new to reading, go for The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho

[mighty thistle]

Lovely book, I've already read it. Can you recommend me some more

[formal pilot]

Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari is also good

[formal pilot]

Crime and punishment by dostovevsky

Disclaimer: Don't go for dostovevsky if you're a new reader

[stoic flame]

Hello

[feral river]

starvation is the result, not the intention.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

It's a terrible result of a industrialization progress.

and I don't think it's important before USSR exist.

[green bobcat]

Hello pals

[thorny steeple]

İs Marquie de Sad popular in the France? Can French dudes say this?

[thorny steeple]

İs this changes a thing?

Humans died because of starvation, this is thing that occured

There is no excuse for this

[hallow tendon]

It was not the only case. There was a famine when they sold American humanitarian grain and food to buy guns and ammo.

commies do not care

[thorny steeple]

İt was the failure of soviet state capitalism

[hallow tendon]

hm.... actually I am not sure whether it happened after revolution or not. I will check. I remember it because there were famous paintings that are banned in that country (by their painter)

There were American flags as a gesture of gratitude

[humble lion]

Für elise

[hallow tendon]

yeah it most likely was this time-frame when that took place
https://allinnet.info/history/two-paintings-by-aivazovsky-banned-in-russia-since-1892/

[feral river]

so is that the best proven of they are bad ?

they did terrible things for sure but their intention is good and it's not that bad in soviet era, actually it's bad in post-soviet era

because there is no anyone has more authority than CPSU during soviet era in soviet union

[thorny steeple]

Their intention can be good but this is not importanr because humans died because of their mistakes and they do not take any responsibility or punishment

[feral river]

yes, because they literally have power.

powerful side never needs to be reasonable, themselves is reasonable.

[thorny steeple]

İs this a good thing

[feral river]

this is the truth.

[thorny steeple]

You are defending them

[feral river]

I was talking the truth, I admitted they did terrible thing and I also admitted they are literally powerful

it doesn't mean that I was defending them

I'm just talking what happened, and what is the truth.

for good or bad, depends on your opinion.

I don't think starve their own people is a good thing ever.

and it's terrible if those people are innocent, which is no political status conflict between them.

unlike some people do actually have political status conflict with some people or majority, like Jews in Nazi Germany, native americans in USA, uyhgurs and tibetians in China etc...

[manic juniper]

He is an authoritarianist

[feral river]

it's pretty weird to put an authoritarian hat on me.

please state your reason

[manic juniper]

What

You said before that you esteem Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and you trust Xi and the CCP, that the majority has to be served over the minorities

[feral river]

what ?

[manic juniper]

You even said authorities are reasonable lol

[feral river]

I never said I trust Xi and CCP and those soviet leaders.

[manic juniper]

Authorities aren't reasonable most of the times

[feral river]

they have force

what do you have ?

[manic juniper]

Tf does that mean

Being powerful doesn't mean you're reasonable

If someone owns a machine gun it doesn't mean they're more reasonable than I am

[feral river]

that means being powerful you are able to be unreasonable, because you can just eliminate anyone opposition with you and say you are unreasonable.

ofc if I have a machine gun in front of a group of people dare they can say I'm unreasonable ? (I was just giving an example)

how dare they ?

that is force.

why are you just denying the usage of force ?

force power is necessary for almost every state entity (Iceland have their soft power to defend themselves)

even some state doesn't have a robust military, they still choose to be neutral and staying in an alliance to protect themselves.

[narrow fossil]

bruh what is even happening in chat rn

ngl circular reasoning and misunderstanding is happening]

[feral river]

idk it's pretty weird

[onyx hazel]

Are you saying it based on the movie you watched?

[manic juniper]

I feel like someone here doesn't know the meaning of "reasonable"

[narrow fossil]

or people just have different definitions of reasonable

Like in debate you have to state what your definition of the word is

[manic juniper]

My definition of reasonable is someone that you can come to terms with, or you know, resonate with, find common ground. Not someone that is powerful

[onyx hazel]

I'm pretty sure these people have lived in Nikita Khrushchev government. Also, the misinformation about the Holodomor in Ukraine is very strong, so people believe easily that Holodomor was made on purpose by the Soviets.

[manic juniper]

There aren't many but still, I have never heard of the word being used as synonymous of powerful

[narrow fossil]

Didn't this entire thing start of as whether or not Stalin or Krushchev was worse

[manic juniper]

It was made on purpose, whether it had bad intentions behind or not is up for debate. But they knew what the consequences were already, just like when they denomadised Kazakhs because it wasn't the first time another country was trying to eradicate their pastoralist agriculture

[narrow fossil]

How did this get to the holodomor

[manic juniper]

Someone else mentioned it again

[narrow fossil]

Oh

[narrow fossil]

Nah it was purposeful

I mean sure lots of sources are tainted with bias

but its not really dificult to see that its purposeful

[feral river]

by this example, I would say everything I said is reasonable in this scene, if someone comes out and say that I'm unreasonable which means they will die.

that's why I said, reasonable.

I think that is so clear.

[narrow fossil]

So your saying a scewed version of reasonable

Because no one can say its unreasonable

[feral river]

that's correct.

[narrow fossil]

if they don't exist

[feral river]

yes

[onyx hazel]

The guy above brought evidence saying it wasn't intentional, but I'm sure nobody bothered to research about the book.

[feral river]

you get my point. but he didn't I guess.

[narrow fossil]

His sources were published by communists

[manic juniper]

Like I said, it isn't related to power

[narrow fossil]

if your talking about the dude from earlier

[feral river]

how is it not related to power ?

[manic juniper]

The guy above said it wasn't intentionally evil, but this doesn't rule out Soviet mismanagement which is always a common presence

[onyx hazel]

no way 💀

[feral river]

I said they did terrible things because they have too much mistakes and cause too much holocausts during soviet era

[narrow fossil]

Yeah but thats a stupid argument because it was intenionally evil

[feral river]

but it doesn't mean that they want this

[manic juniper]

You could say the same about the Bengal famine, was it intentionally evil? Was it a result of mismanagement? Was it because the British Empire really didn't care or felt that there were higher priorities? Doesn't change that it was bad

[onyx hazel]

If a communist say that 2+2 = 4, is he lying?

[narrow fossil]

Yeah I mean bro really put a book published by red star something

[feral river]

it's not bad for british.

[manic juniper]

Depends, is he a Stalinist or a Titoist? I believe the second one

[narrow fossil]

No but if a communist says that USSR was good is he lying?

[feral river]

if you wanna say something is bad or not, you must choose one side and assess

because for other side is not bad.

[manic juniper]

It'd be comical to say that all communists and all socialist countries were bad, my country has been socialist (for a short time) and it was okay, I'd say better than what came after that

[onyx hazel]

I don't know, ask people who have lived in Stalin's government

[manic juniper]

My great grandparents didn't like it

[feral river]

that's why you have prejudices, isn't that true ?

[onyx hazel]

it's funny how people say "I have lived in Soviet Union"

also the person was borned 1989

[manic juniper]

They liked the direction before Stalin's because of great progresses in culture and literature of their ethnic group and many others

[narrow fossil]

Well Lenin was not as bad as Stalin

[manic juniper]

My grandparents say mixed things about the late Soviet Union, my great grandparents didn't like Stalin at all

[feral river]

I have no prejudices for democratic, socialism, totalitarianism, communism, fascism, etc... I just need to know what is truth, not who is bad

I don't care who is bad.

[manic juniper]

He was more good than bad, not perfect, but at least what he did to us was objectively good

[feral river]

who is bad or not depends which side you are, and I have no idea about your side

[onyx hazel]

In western media perspective, not only the socialists countries are bad, but also all of the countries that are against U.S are bad too

They don't need to be socialist

[manic juniper]

At least 60 different alphabets and languages were being studied under his government, there were good intentions for sure, and he allowed Finland to become independent

[feral river]

bad or good depends on your side, but truth is truth, no one can change truth.

do I make myself clear ?

[manic juniper]

Not all western media lol, that's very reductive, but yeah it's a common trend

[narrow fossil]

Well yeah but Holodomor was an intentional killing, that much is true

[manic juniper]

Yugoslavia is not seen as bad by many, it's usually Albanians and Italians that hate it and rightfully so, for how good Yugoslavia was it's undeniable that the treatment of Italians and Albanians went from bad to awful

[feral river]

idk it's true or not but it has conflict.

but false is more make sense. so I tend to trust this is false.

no direct evidence says they are intentionally do this.

[narrow fossil]

No theres a lot of evidence

[feral river]

direct evidence.

evidence from your side is pointless.

[manic juniper]

When your language will not be taught at school and your culture forgotten maybe you'll learn how it feels to have lived in one of those countries as a minority

[narrow fossil]

Intentionally holding food back from a starving populace is pretty deliberate

[feral river]

just like we all know Jews is intentionally being massacred by Nazis, because they did this they admitted, and it has history

but what about this famine ?

[narrow fossil]

Also thats a logical fallacy because Russia is never going to admit that

They don't want to be held acountable for their actions

[feral river]

I would say USA is never going to admit they massacred native americans

[narrow fossil]

They did tho

[feral river]

did they ?

[onyx hazel]

"belive", so you just "believe", beliefs are not part of reality

[narrow fossil]

yes

[feral river]

let me see

[manic juniper]

Reality works on the base of subjective experiences, there is no way to be objective. Also it took a while for you to reply to an obvious joke

[narrow fossil]

Oh wait i see why you think that

the first source on it for some reason is a chinese propaganda source

wth

[feral river]

People's Republic of China foreign ministry

[onyx hazel]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/22/obama-japan-hiroshima-interview-no-apology

[feral river]

I think they didn't admit that

[narrow fossil]

Yeah

[manic juniper]

Ob*ma

[narrow fossil]

China is telling us that they never admited it

Do you see a posible inhernt bias

[feral river]

wym ?

me ?

you mean I have bias on USA ?

[narrow fossil]

No the chinese goverment

[feral river]

well, a little ptsd during covid era

I have bias on chinese government

but I admit they did something good

[narrow fossil]

huh

[feral river]

also they did something bad.

for me anyways.

[onyx hazel]

If he has explanations, then no

[manic juniper]

What if a communist has the explanation for the opposite...?

[narrow fossil]

No I'm saying the Chinese comunist party telling people that America is bad is not really a trustable source

[onyx hazel]

Proving something isn't just like "It happened, and that's it, no need evidence", that's so vague

[feral river]

yes.

[narrow fossil]

Like thats litterally propaganda 101

[zinc jewel]

Guys when should I use comma? It makes me confused

[feral river]

yeah that's propaganda

[feral river]

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

just like this

[onyx hazel]

What is the "opposite" for you?

[manic juniper]

That it was not good

[zinc jewel]

I am not joking when I should use it in the sentence

[narrow fossil]

When your writing a sentece with one independent clause and one dependent clause (Dependent meaning it lacks a subject). For example, I'm from Japan (Independent), and the food is good( dependent). or lists like, I have a green, red, and yellow apple.

[onyx hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjI8jwn0Upo&t=67s

[manic juniper]

For one most Titoists I talked to didn't like the USSR because it was often hostile or pretentious towards their country and its leader

[manic juniper]

Yeah I literally mentioned it earlier, speaking of minorities lol

Why would I trust what the majority (ethnic Russians) say?

[feral river]

for example, this sentence I clearly used 2 comma which means it was so damn good and idk what I'm going to use in next sentence so, maybe I can think about it ?

[narrow fossil]

@zinc jewel

[manic juniper]

I don't know why it's hard to conceive that no, the USSR wasn't just Russia and the Russians, there were more people living in it than just them, some with positive opinions and others with negative opinions, both have good reasons

[onyx hazel]

Check the comments of the video. There are people saying that the old people in Ukraine have the same thoughts about the Russians

[feral river]

I would say if you wanna assess USSR rationally, please put off your western filter.

[zinc jewel]

You mean by subject
I , they , he, she , it ,etc.. only right?

[feral river]

maybe you have, or you just can't realize it ? or you don't have

[narrow fossil]

None of us are 80 year old grandpas from the ussr

[narrow fossil]

Yeah

[manic juniper]

Yeah literally the second largest ethnic group, why don't they ask the Komi-Zyrians for example? Or the Veps, or Karelians (whose language has died as a result of bad education policies and annexation of their territory)?

Ukraine was the second largest republic in the USSR, of course Ukrainians also benefitted from it at some points

[feral river]

I have no idea when it comes to something is bad, when it comes to bad or good it must have bias on it.

100%

[feral river]

the economy situation of Ukraine is not bad since the soviet dissolved.

and they even have nukes

[narrow fossil]

A majority of old ukrainians unfortuantely are ethnically russian. When many ukrainians died off in the holodomor, Stalin have russians migrate to ukraine so that he could keep up food production. Many of those people because they were inherently loyal to the stalin regime were treated much better

[zinc jewel]

Are they the two ways to use them only or they are the most common only ?

[manic juniper]

It's worse since the USSR collapsed, they had incompetent governments, lowest GDP per capita in Europe, pro-Russian puppet presidents

[narrow fossil]

That was the most common way to use them

[zinc jewel]

Oh ok tysm , you saved me a lot

[feral river]

this is true I have to say, but during Soviet era they are just not bad in USSR.

[manic juniper]

Late USSR government was incompetent, but what came next in all its successors (except maybe Kazakhstan? I don't know) was worse

[narrow fossil]

Also saying the Ukranians were fond of the USSR regime is a stupid assement. The Ukrainians litterally gave up all their nuclear arsenal in order to leave the USSR

[feral river]

that's incorrect

[narrow fossil]

Because the USSR placed nukes in ukraine for the worst case nuclear war

[onyx hazel]

"A majority of old ukrainians unfortuantely are ethnically russian." They still have the same thoughts about it.

[manic juniper]

Yes

[narrow fossil]

yeah because they are russian

[feral river]

they gave up their nukes because under pressure by the USA and Russia, also they don't have ability to maintain those nukes

[narrow fossil]

Its not that difficult

[manic juniper]

Russians were the largest benefactors of the USSR

[feral river]

it should be.

[narrow fossil]

But part of the deal was their freedom

[feral river]

USSR is russian state.

[narrow fossil]

thats why they were so eager

[manic juniper]

I'd like an explanation for the difference in HDI between Finnish and Russian Karelia

How come Russian Karelia stayed so behind despite it being on par with all other Finnish regions, I wonder why

[feral river]

yep

[onyx hazel]

The guy above brought the proofs, you don't even tried it, lol.

[onyx hazel]

But have lived in Ukraine

[feral river]

but Karelia have enormous soldiers, and it deployed some advance weapons.

it's important region for Russia

[narrow fossil]

THat guys "proof" was russian propaganda.

[feral river]

it's a good asset

[manic juniper]

The people clearly aren't

[feral river]

do people important for Russia ?

[manic juniper]

? I sent a study as well

[feral river]

I don't think the people in Karelia is more important the people in Moscow

Moscow may sold Karelia anytime (I was kidding)

[narrow fossil]

yes that was his point

[manic juniper]

I'm not even surprised

I don't understand why people like to believe that the USSR made Russian nationalism cease to exist overnight

[feral river]

do you think they are important ?

[narrow fossil]

bruh the circular reasoning is wild

[manic juniper]

Or at least East Slavic nationalism

[onyx hazel]

You didn't even read to know if it's true or not

[narrow fossil]

no his point was that people in Karelia were not important

[feral river]

exactly is.

they were not important for Russia

but that territory, that resources, important for Russia

that's the point.

[narrow fossil]

Listen if his "proof" was published by pro-USSR publishers, than even if I read it, its going to still have inherent bias

Like dude the circular argument is wild

[feral river]

there is no any government able to care all of their people, always have some people's interest being damaged.

[narrow fossil]

Let me give you an actual source

[feral river]

so I just think if they work for majority, they are just not bad.

[narrow fossil]

by someone who fled the ussr after living there

[feral river]

the more people they work the more good they are.

I think this logic has no problem

[narrow fossil]

?

[feral river]

but, maybe they have some crazy ideas comes out and damage the interest of most people

[narrow fossil]

Can you like reexplain cause that doesn't make sense in english

like gramatical sense

[feral river]

I mean the more people they benefit, the better they are.

[narrow fossil]

@onyx hazel "The Gulag Archipelago" by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn this is a first hand account into the horrors of the USSR and its treatment of dissent

[feral river]

actually if a government not working for majority, they can't even being elected in a democratic nation, and they can't even in power in an authoritarian nation

[narrow fossil]

not necessarily. I mean the US benefits many but its not good. It still has committed many terrible things

[feral river]

well well well, I think US 🤣

US has too much different people

it's hard to benefit more people if they were divisive

[manic juniper]

It has many different people but the depth of a puddle

Making a truly multicultural country is next to impossible most of the times

[feral river]

yes

[narrow fossil]

Well that was my counter argument as to a country that benefits people is better

The US does benefit many, but its not a good country

[feral river]

I think they at least achieved economy prosperity, and enormous opportunities

[narrow fossil]

half of the problems in latin america and the middle east stem from the US

[feral river]

that's why some people in China wants to go to the US and for settlement