🧠｜serious-chat

[manic juniper]

My country only has few mountains, I find it boring

Whenever I visit other countries I'm drawn to their mountains and hills

[thorny steeple]

btw this chat is the best chat for debate about any topic, in others discord channels, there are a lot of toxic people

[manic juniper]

Yeah sorta

[foggy pine]

if you like the mountains there are the Alps to the East and the Pyrenées to the South ! but there are also smaller mountain ranges like the Vosges in the North-East and the Massif Central in the centre/south

all the places in "red" are mountains (big or small) :))

[manic juniper]

Which ones are the most forested? Or are they more or less the same?

[terse compass]

Also if you write something controvisial, be prepared to get stomped by everyone because this chat get aggrasive too quickly.

[grave temple]

yes

some people are ready to defend their beliefs with everything they have

[thorny steeple]

Sorry

[gaunt bronze]

This is such a good and horrible thing.

[feral river]

My state have enormous mountains, that’s why we conducted the guerrilla welfare fight against aggression and opponents.

[spice sierra]

hi

[summer parcel]

hey

[thorny steeple]

well ,its true that hindus are oppressed badly over the years in india. he just use that opportunity

• he did some good works too so people support him

he is not evil

he is polition what people he simply give

that's why he win

but opposition leaders some times disrespect hinduism for eg udaynidhi stalin opposition leader did blasphemy

the main reasion is not modi . modi win because of foolish opossition

not only hindu vs muslim,hindu vs christian too. well normal people don't want hate other relligion they just want .to save their right to faith.

[muted patio]

This little deer looks so cute,as a fairy from snow

[cerulean ore]

He doesn't deserve as much credit as you're giving him

Surely, we aren't talking about the man who sanctioned the release of bilkis bano's perpetrators just before independence day, are we?

[thorny steeple]

All humans live with the wrong assumptions.
Isn't that another way of looking at it?

[thorny steeple]

i am not glorifying him

just saying that our opposition is foolish that's why he is there

[thorny steeple]

i am not pro modi . but,where he did correct i support it. and where he did wrong i will oppose him

[thorny steeple]

yaa i also don't like that

[thorny steeple]

and i am not giving him any credit

pls read my text properly

[serene meadow]

Hi

[keen whale]

Such nonsense, there is no point in even arguing, continue to believe, freedom for the Jews.

[rose eagle]

dead chat:...

[clear shard]

https://open.spotify.com/album/3nz5MrS1sY1Wor1ce76CUp?si=gdUZSKzJSmKgLj3_OO6k9A
new yeat x Travis scott song!

[neon tree]

lately I was thinking about pain and loneliness
I'd been thinking is it useful for me or not
does it make me stronger or not?
do we need to be lonely sometimes?
and therefore I started reading "Existential Psychotherapy" from "Ervin D. Yalom"
the book was talking about the main cause of our mental problems
it says all of our mental problems come from 4 things:

1. Fear of death
2. Fear of loneliness
3. Fear of freedom
4. Fear of emptiness
   if anyone is interested in this subject it will be a pleasure to talk about it

[keen whale]

They say that if you read classical philosophical works, then these problems will never exist.

[neon tree]

in the output as I can see classical people do have these problems too
and yesterday people were not perfect for their mental health

[keen whale]

Yes, but for centuries philosophers have been discussing these basic topics, drawing conclusions, building theories, and if you understand how it works, then psychotherapy will not be needed.

[neon tree]

Yes I'm agreed with you, knowledge is the key of everything
but psychotherapy isn't something that we can delete it from our life
and in these many centuries the classical philosophers still couldn't find the purpose of life.
because the truth is that we can't never understand the purpose of living
and classical philosophers have been always searching for the answers that do not exist
psychotherapy or religions are ways to living with emptiness

[keen whale]

Yes, I agree with you. Psychotherapy is a useful thing. Philosophers have not found a universal meaning of life, but by reading their reasoning on this topic, you can determine some vectors for yourself. A religious people should not have these problems at all, because religion clearly answers all these fears. This is precisely the advantage of religion over atheism.

[neon tree]

interesting speech
yes I think in someway we're at the same point
I disagree atheism af, but the thing about religion is that stops people to think
and in the result make many extremists and crazy people and stuff
and there are a little religious people that are wise and listening to other thoughts
I think religions prepare an environment for them to not thinking

[frigid bolt]

People don't like uncertanity and religon gives them comfort

[keen whale]

I don't understand you. You say: thing about religion is that stops people to think. It turns out that religion interferes with a person. Like a fairy tale that distracts from the terrible reality.

[neon tree]

or maybe a good delusion

[frigid bolt]

@keen whale May I ask why did you get yourself a beginner role? You put out some very nice sentences 😁

[frigid bolt]

Maybe, I don't see the point in hating on any religion though, even if you see it as delusional. As long as it's a peaceful belief.

[keen whale]

My level English is Elementary maybe pre intermediate, I still study, and I write sometimes with translation😁

[frigid bolt]

Got it

It's probably a nice way to get to know more complex words and sentences

[neon tree]

yes religions say the reality isn't terrible
most wars in history came from religious causes because they hate every people that aren't agreed with them
and even they don't listen to other ideas

[keen whale]

Yes, I need it, because my English at the level of a 7 year old boy)))

[frigid bolt]

Good point, but do you think that wars wouldn't happen without religion? I see it as an easy excuse to start one, but not the end goal in most cases

[neon tree]

I don't hate any religion and there is no religion in my mind that was peaceful in history
I can give u unlimited examples

[keen whale]

Because they are promised eternal life, what is this temporary life worth compared to eternal life.

[frigid bolt]

It's always a struggle for power and resources

[keen whale]

It is easier to be motivated to die for God than for anything else.

These are the best fighters

and religion has no nation, it is simply an ideal instrument.

[neon tree]

yes I agree u. either religions were exist or not, people would fight with each other
but the point is that religions always increased the hate in people instead of love
for example a view that a christian has to a muslim
therefore view of a muslim to a christian

[frigid bolt]

True

I find it disturbing how religions that come historically from the same ideas can have so much hate for each other

[thorny steeple]

hey how the influence of globalization on traditional cultures

[neon tree]

this is absolutely what am I talking about
when they think there is an eternal life they don't care what happens on the earth or to other people or ...

[keen whale]

It seems to me that this is generally the property of a person to divide his own into strangers according to various criteria, be it a nation or a religion or a country or something else.

Ours and others

Eternal problem

[neon tree]

True I believe in God
but I think it's better to improve knowledges in people instead faith that sometimes is synonym with delusion
only wise and knowledgeable persons are really peaceful either religious or not

[keen whale]

Emotional intelligence also influences people's peacefulness. There are a lot of smart villains.

[neon tree]

very good example
Moses, Jesus and Muhammad
all of them brought wisdom but nations combined it with race and feudal system

[keen whale]

Yes, Christians have a lot of branches, just like Islam.

[neon tree]

in philosophy being smart is so much different with being wise
because the real wise person knows hurting other people doesn't bring him any happiness and he knows how to spend his awareness to be perfect

[neon tree]

absolutely because if catholic church was absolute right there will be no protestant or orthodex church
or if sunnah was right there will be no shia or other things in islam
because both of them sunnah and catholic their first priority is power not anything else
as we see now the LGBT flags on catholic churches
or Halloween and other western cultures in Saudi Arabia and beside the Macca

[keen whale]

Yes, wisdom and intelligence are different things, but they are easy to confuse

[keen whale]

In my country, the Russian church blesses rockets, which is completely contrary to religion in principle. I don't understand how people believe this. This is a paradox.

[neon tree]

True and this paradox is so crazy

at least Russian government or churches are not pretending pure angels like US and NATO

[keen whale]

I have question. What is the difference between religion and propaganda?

[neon tree]

religion is a subgroup of propaganda 🤐

[keen whale]

Here and there people believe. It's interesting why people tend to believe?

[neon tree]

thinking and searching is fearful for them

[keen whale]

maybe also laziness

[neon tree]

for sure

laziness also came from fearing of doing

[keen whale]

Are you saying that the source of laziness is a feeling of fear?

[neon tree]

yes I think fear is father of every negative emotions

[keen whale]

hmmm, I never thought about it, there's something in this

[neon tree]

actually I never thought about it too
I found it out just right now 😂

[keen whale]

And if you are tired and you don’t feel like doing something, it’s not because of fear, right?

I agree, part of the reason you don't want to start something is because you're afraid, and it's easier to be lazy.

[neon tree]

no it actually can be justified by fear
the cause you feel tired and you do nothing is that do something is fearful and scary
because you're not brave to kill your tired feelings

and actually fear can be justified by laziness too ☠️

you're afraid because you're not in the mood to don't be afraid
you're lazy to do something about your braveness

complication of mind 💔

or maybe we name these feelings separately

and they're not actually separated

bro if I talk more I can defeat Plato 😂 💔

[keen whale]

Plato is the foundation of everything😄

I don’t know, tiredness and laziness are two different things. After running a 100 km marathon, you feel tired, but you’re not lazy, right?

If you worked in a mine for 12 hours, and after that you don’t want to learn English, is that laziness?

[neon tree]

I think all of them are comparative
for Mike Tyson practicing for 12 hours is nothing
but for me is death

[neon tree]

the thing is that u can and that's the thing make heroes and differences

[keen whale]

Mike Tyson is special. If you overwork, you can get stressed, and this worsens your health. There are athletes who can work all day long, such as Khabib, Tyson, but ordinary people begin to lose their immunity from such training.

[keen whale]

Can overwork kill desire? Let’s say you want to be an artist, but because of your hard work you kill this desire and burn out.

[neon tree]

for me is too soon even think about killing my desires or extremely hard working
most people stuck in very very lower level
if u really get to that high level you'd been strong and wise enough to got that position therefore you can solve the problem by your own

[neon tree]

yes he is special now but he wasn't before
he was same as I am

[manic juniper]

It was fearless of humans and quite friendly too

[thorny steeple]

No, human just are friendly to animal that don't harm us or something that we don't know specifically.

[manic juniper]

The deer turned out friendly too

[arctic locust]

🌴 👀 🌴

What is the serious chat?

[devout shale]

a chat that is serious

[arctic locust]

What is serious?

[formal pilot]

Grandma's heart condition

[devout shale]

topics, "serious" means important stuff

[arctic locust]

That's warm, not serious

[arctic locust]

important stuff? that's important. not serious

[devout shale]

whats warm? 👀

[arctic locust]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-warm-keep-so-cute-gif-27044788

[formal pilot]

Radiation

[devout shale]

[feral river]

I don't think we do know that is a friendly one, fight or flight is the another choice.

actually I strongly believe that human is exactly superior than most animals in the world, that's why we almost took over the earth and only human established rule and having civilization.

so for some animal like pets, I love them because they are cute and lovely they are friendly with human too, they serve our emotions.

and actually animal is important to humanity, till now and in the future.

[hallow tendon]

Zs propaganda music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJoUumdxOhE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uldNBiVgPB0
Christian music (I hope there is no need for comments)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQWFzMvCfLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKVujUXxKag

[rose sandal]

Is there one interested in one on one English practice I'm from India law pursuing students.. I m beginner 🙃 I m not feel comfortable in Group chats 🙃 ||I m male||

[keen whale]

I don't understand, why is this?

[keen whale]

You need to go beyond comfort

[keen whale]

I have to disagree with you. Mike Tyson beat up grown men at age 14, this is clearly not an ordinary boy.

[thorny steeple]

Mike Tyson was built different, the gen were scared of him.

[worldly citrus]

Hi

[neon tree]

because he had been boxing from 13
and practicing 24/7
he couldn't beat any grown man without being trained and prepared
he wasn't different he has been living differently

[keen whale]

Bro, at the age of 14 he weighed 90 kg, why do you think there are weight scales in sports? Why did the short one beat the tall ones? Do you think other boxers trained less? Why does some Nganu come out and knock down Fury, having been boxing for at least 2 years?

Why are there 13-year-old genius children, while others are standard? Do you think geniuses learn more?

[static gate]

hi everyone i wanna a girl who i can practice my English with

BBoth Texting and voice chat

[neon tree]

hmmm unfortunately you're right 💔

[static pivot]

I'm a girl

[formal scaffold]

Hey elise did u watch the vid I sent u?? Did it respond to the last point of the post u sent me?

[hallow tendon]

huh. mAAAn,,, really? Fine.
propaganda preparing people to do what a current regime wants - to make you cannon fodder, to make you toil for nothing or hate someone, to make you forever loyal slave etc Propaganda never starts with something that it really wants. "I'm Russian" could mean - everyone else does not deserve to live. Someone is "bad" could mean - we are going to be worse. And so on.
religion is about your relationship with the Living God and how to live in His Kingdom (His church (community)), After that it can help a person to understand how to live in the world.
Sometimes religion is used by politicians and sometimes Churches can influence certain political decisions.

[hallow tendon]

Hallo! oh. I am very sorry, I think I've missed that. ((( I'll check it now.

[formal scaffold]

I'll resend it

https://youtu.be/ypXqqdPrYQQ?si=4Zf8WQgIQWcW0FeF

[formal scaffold]

The point was that holy quran was a copy of the bible/ old testament

[static gate]

I made a group of girls to practice English if u want

[static pivot]

No promotion

In English hub

[formal scaffold]

He's trolling u, he's the server owner lol

[static pivot]

Keep your private groups to yourself lady

Like we have over 60k+ girls here

[static pivot]

I'm not

[formal scaffold]

:x

[static pivot]

See that's how we stop illegal activities

[static gate]

hahaha ok

[formal scaffold]

Smart of u

[static pivot]

[formal scaffold]

Read the rules of this server

[static pivot]

Valentines day here

Wait I'll update server banner

[formal scaffold]

Wait its still not time yett

Isn't it like 26 february?

[static gate]

oh I wasn't know this sorry @static pivot

Thank @formal scaffold

[formal scaffold]

You should attend this server's classes, you'll find a lot of girls to talk to

[static gate]

I'm new in this server can u tell me how?

[keen whale]

There is good propaganda, for example, promoting healthy eating, or playing sports. Propaganda is not always bad; sectarians also think that they believe in God, and then commit suicide in the name of God. And what's the difference? For me, it has the same effect on a person’s mind.

[obsidian shore]

I can be your valentines

[formal scaffold]

Check The 2nd tab under the server guide "events"

[static gate]

Thanks

[static pivot]

14

[static pivot]

[jolly agate]

How do even know that stats

[hallow tendon]

I didn't say believe, I used the word "relationship". Yes my friend you can use propaganda methodology for something good... Although I do not see such things and I don't think it is good by itself. (But I do see advises of different kind or warnings.) Some examples?

[keen whale]

Promoting healthy eating, promoting sports, promoting family, promoting humanism, and so on. There is plenty of good propaganda, you just don’t see it, or you don’t understand that it is propaganda.

[static pivot]

Because I'm admin

[jolly agate]

I don’t remember doing that survey.

(:

[silver vault]

General chat

[silver vault]

It's interesting to note that Rahul Gandhi, despite his shortcomings and his family's challenges, appears to maintain a more composed approach compared to Modi. He avoids using divisive slogans

or fostering animosity to build a personality cult

[dusky island]

Hii

What's the topic

[hallow tendon]

@formal scaffold Skuggi. hm. ... About water, expanding nature of the world and the sky you can read in the first chapter of Genesis. (I didn't read it yet, but I've watched enough videos.)
About other points of the video. Root of the mountains is a common idiom and I think it is present in most languages. Skin - If you want someone to suffer again you need his skin back. Actually if you'd asked me how to write about everlasting suffering in the unquenchable fire I would have written something about returning of the skin and other tissues.
I think there is no prejudice in my opinion now, but I do not see that those details can make any difference.
I am sorry. I respect your fillings. (and water is usually means a chaos in OT. Genesis tells about creation from water and from chaos at the same time)

[keen whale]

What is F...?

I understand that discussion is impossible here

[hallow tendon]

If it is - it used not for a good purposes. It can mean that a politician or party want to change demography and exploit it. Propaganda deceives people to use them at some point. And no - you can make people better by means of propaganda - You can change their behaviour by zombifying them.

[keen whale]

Just like religion.

[hallow tendon]

any arguments?

[formal scaffold]

It's a book that existed 1400 years ago, discrediting the evidences using nowadays scienitific common sense, or idiomes that came after it doesn't disprove it sorry

[thorny steeple]

hi

[keen whale]

I’ve already given all the arguments, you just don’t see them, I don’t see the point in hitting the wall. Thank you for the dialogue, but convincing a believer is an almost impossible task.

[hallow tendon]

Greeks made up atoms )

[formal scaffold]

Was that about the universe expanding point?

[hallow tendon]

I see, I see.

[formal scaffold]

They didn't make atoms xd

You mean discovred?

[keen whale]

You don't see.

[hallow tendon]

I mean they invented that theory

[thorny steeple]

It depends on whether there was witness about the evidences. Or Media can control all over situation to take cover those evidences for those in power?

[hallow tendon]

It was in Genesis.

[thorny steeple]

so you guys are discussing about physics?

[formal scaffold]

First of all , theories and claims are diffrent, secondly the precision of the information is lacking, u got a book that claims that the sun got its own orbit its diffrent than a 1000 person theorising random stuff until one of them approached the truth with no details

[thorny steeple]

And sadly people who determine how it is and what it is are in those in power side.

[formal scaffold]

Can't find it

[thorny steeple]

Who can define such things? it is people who are bought by those in power.

We generally are devoted ourselves to our work for life, money, or belief.

[hallow tendon]

I will find that, but it is more general view. something like "spread". I do not remember.

[thorny steeple]

well

What is accurate? who knows?

[formal scaffold]

Let's say it exist it, that dodsn't mean it is plagiarised , all scientific signes or most should be prooved to be plagiarised to pull that conclusion since quran approve the original old books that were non corrupted

[thorny steeple]

We never know unless as long as we completely understand the mechanism or not following theories written by historical people

[formal scaffold]

Plus to plagiarise only the correct parts from ancient civilisations without copying the wrong misconceptions disproved the plagiarisme theory

[hallow tendon]

not again about corrupted (( oh. Adding a couple of "modern" details do not make anything that was long long before corrupted.

[thorny steeple]

What do you define the situation as corrupted?

It depends on people, right? That is why this issue never figure out I guess

[formal scaffold]

It's not my opnion, if something come from god it shouldn't be changed by humans.

[formal scaffold]

We are talking about wether the quran is a plagiat of old books

[hallow tendon]

Does Muslim believe that old Jews' prophets are valid?

[thorny steeple]

So it is aloe related in Islam

[formal scaffold]

Ofc

[formal scaffold]

Jew is a race islam isn't a race

Islam is anything coming from any prophet sent by god

[thorny steeple]

Specifically who did write those theories in the books?

[hallow tendon]

How their books can be corrupted then?

[thorny steeple]

That's vital point

[feral river]

they are in power just because they have power, people’s support is power, violence is power, science is also power. Once they do something like spreading fake news they will taking risk of losing one of those sources which means they are likely and they are exactly losing one of those power.

[thorny steeple]

As long as we know who write them, we can pursue their achievement in detail to make sure whether that is scientifically correct.

[formal scaffold]

It got changed throught time and even during prophethoods, part of of jews always were known for killing prophets and disobeying god, bc of the vanity of the name the chosen people of god

[feral river]

The changing of the amount will cause the changing of the nature. (Idk if it’s the correct translation but it’s “量变引起质变”)

[formal scaffold]

A major incident was the calf that you'll find recorded in the old testament

[thorny steeple]

why people with religion are enthusiastic believe in books related with it not doubt those accuracy?

[feral river]

The people who in power is unnecessary to do something will lose their power

[thorny steeple]

So the power tend to make manipulation on their country as they wish sucn direction.

[hallow tendon]

How many prophets wrote Quran?

[thorny steeple]

Do we need to be logical to figure it out?

[feral river]

That’s why I live in an authoritarian state and I know what is the current situation.

[formal scaffold]

None

[feral river]

But it doesn’t mean that they promoted is neutral, most of them are exactly working for their rule and power

[thorny steeple]

or as long as we're being indulged in our belief or religion is enough?

[formal scaffold]

Muhamed pbuh couldn't read or write

[thorny steeple]

What do you resolve precisely and recognize what it is is important

[formal scaffold]

Islam is the only relegion to recognize christianity and judaisme prophets , jews deny the christ pbuh and christians deny mohamed pbuh

[hallow tendon]

OK. My point actually was - OT was not a single book for a long time. There were a lot of prophets and a lot of copies and a lot of scriptures. What you said is an extreme conspiracy is russian style.

[thorny steeple]

from my perspective, I can see among each those different religions are just playing around showing how magnificent our religion is.

Am I wrong? any opinions?

[formal scaffold]

The thing is a book of god don't needs additions or corrections since god knows the future right? Quran has never went throught modifications nor correction even linguistically

It didn't need 300 years to be released like the bible

Which is why we believe "the bibile is partially wrong"

[hallow tendon]

When it has happened to the OT?

[formal scaffold]

Bc its partially human

[thorny steeple]

How can believer perceive their religion's theories?

[hallow tendon]

There are no theories. ))

[thorny steeple]

to perceive on purpose as the founders of the religion wish?

[formal scaffold]

There's no clear change in the OT that I can point out except for the mohamad'im part that they added into the aramaic and gave it a meaning

Muhamed'im meaning sir muhamed

[thorny steeple]

Such conspiratorial work

[obsidian shore]

Yes highly

[thorny steeple]

go ahead

[formal scaffold]

Idk how we ventured away from the fact that no book can pinpoint which part of the brain is responsible for lying back then

To the OT

[thorny steeple]

It is difficult even for brain scientist

[hallow tendon]

everything is easy - 99999999999999999999999 years of evolution

[formal scaffold]

Yet it got mentioned 1400 years ago along with the brain part respondible for movement

[thorny steeple]

Rather even they have no idea what is going on part of it.

[formal scaffold]

They can tract brain activity in modern age using electro magnetic devises to track weak electric pulses

Its very common

[thorny steeple]

But to do costs large sum of money I guess

[formal scaffold]

Ofc

[thorny steeple]

It is objective far from ordinary people like us

[formal scaffold]

Yeah?? I don't see any corelation with the fact that it got discovred 1400 years ago

[thorny steeple]

correlation?

[formal scaffold]

are we doubting that info from brain reseaechers bc we don't own that device?

[formal scaffold]

Relation

[thorny steeple]

Ofc we don't know what is going on actually like something activity corresponds with specific part.

[formal scaffold]

So you are skeptical about every science fact that you can't proove yourself

[thorny steeple]

Being doubt is scientifically correct behavior I guess?

[keen whale]

only if you have brains

[thorny steeple]

your opinion looks like telling me such being optimistic is good way of researching the truth as religion.

[formal scaffold]

There's no way you find the truth in relegion

[thorny steeple]

Agree

[orchid totem]

[formal scaffold]

You find enough knowledge to decide wether to live by it or not

Hell you can't find the truth anywhere

[thorny steeple]

How about liberal arts?

[formal scaffold]

Maybe a satisfying answer to you personally is what we seek

[formal scaffold]

Liberal arts?

[thorny steeple]

We are currently living scientific and economic-based world, right?

[formal scaffold]

True

[thorny steeple]

well, sure religion can help us in some way but to think about priority what is significant in our life, It reminds me of the knowledge about science, economy and things like liberal arts.

[formal scaffold]

The majority of people I met hates the world we live in

[thorny steeple]

I don't think so tho

[formal scaffold]

I'm glad u don't

[thorny steeple]

well, that also depend on people preferance

I won't force them to accept because It is impposible to make it

[formal scaffold]

It all goes back to feelings, we do things to have a certein feeling in us, relegion can be a priority too if it can give u what you seek

[thorny steeple]

Yes true, the necessity changes by circumstances back then.

[thorny steeple]

arts subjects such as literature and history, as distinct from science and technology.
arts subjects to free people from modern suffer by avoiding following tedious rules or restrictions. (my definition)

[formal scaffold]

Does it call for Freedom, or absolute freedom?

[thorny steeple]

It is up to us )

Because I support the world like achieved freedom.

[thorny steeple]

Hello People

[thorny steeple]

Then what's your version of freedom?

[keen whale]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

How's your day?

[thorny steeple]

ye this is the world that I want it to be looking such

sorry I made confusion "what's" with "that's". my eysight...

[thorny steeple]

The world that I seek is the world well-balanced and furthermore well-established with rule of law consistently.

[thorny steeple]

Well it's fine it happens

[thorny steeple]

Interesting view

[jolly agate]

The world you seek is the world that should begin within you.

Once you change yourself only then you shall be able to make changes to the current world.

[thorny steeple]

Indeed for change you want you must change and perseverance

[jolly agate]

What is even bro typing

[thorny steeple]

I find it is arrogant thought since this human society is corresponding each other.
But I in some way agree with you that should begin within me but I interpret it as only in case that if I want to affect
the world at least and that's all so nothing more and nothing less because we are corresponding each other affecting this society.
No one can achieve by oneself. but I agree that someone must do on starting.

[thorny steeple]

The path to Immortality!

[jolly agate]

It’s a curse that only the supreme one bound to have

[vague kettle]

Religion is a thing that controls you. I've been learning a lot of stuff about it for more than 2 years, Islam, Christianity, watching different movies and now I'm pretty convinced that there is "something", but this "something" is not what we imagine. Watch Zeitgeist, the first movie and the first part of the movie, it explains a lot of stuff about religion very well.

It doesn't work the way we think it works, I'm 99% sure.

[terse shale]

https://tenor.com/view/funni-gif-22538820

[feral river]

And it can be a political tool

[feral river]

existence is reasonable, I guess there is someone clearly knows how religion works.

you may believe you are going to heaven and other will going to hell, that's your freedom.

and that can't affect me, but using religion to spreading influence is like another advertisement.

just like what if I say communism is the best because I'm from China ?

then continuing argue that, we trust marx, lenin, stalin, mao zedong and we can achieve a lot from trust them, and make everyone trust them too.

I guess that is ridiculous, I will consider that mind is heavily under indoctrination

[sonic lion]

I mean it already happened in the past

Marxism-Leninism loves some brainwashing

Religion is basically propaganda, but for some reason it fulfills people

[feral river]

yes but I mean it was the almost same thing, just that is outdated.

because that failed

for instance, what about trump ? Biden ? Xi jinping ? it's hard to give a define those people and they actually have a lot of believers.

but those are the same thing, the point is trust.

I don't think if you think absolutely trust one thing/people/religion and using it to explain everything for yourself is rational.

that's why I like to study how to do not trust one thing and not using one scale to explain something, explain something by other's prospect is important for learning how this world works and how to get the maximum benefit from the environment.

If you know the prospect of muslims, Chinese, the people in different places etc. and choose one which you like and be your best stance, I think you can get maximum benefit than another other people like you in everywhere.

that's why I don't trust anything besides, truth. and I like questioning, that's core of philosophy

religion is unfalsifiable, but science is falsifiable.

[manic juniper]

Why Stalin

[feral river]

he saved Soviet Union with war against Nazi Germany

we actually... have positive views on Stalin, because your next leader breaks up with China.

actually Stalin is a totalitarian leader, and he cause some crisis for his nation like great purge, ukraine famine etc.

but he expanded territory for Soviet Union, like an annexation of baltics, part of poland and germany's territory.

[manic juniper]

How is that good? Those people didn't want to be part of the Soviet Union

[feral river]

when he was in power, Soviet Union is the most powerful nation in the Europe, and they are the biggest winner of the WW2

[feral river]

that's because the next leader, next leader and next leader made too many mistakes

[manic juniper]

No lol they didn't like it already, he literally deported countless people from those countries for no good reason at all

He annexed part of my country and people didn't wish for that, that's why they fled

[feral river]

they always rejecting their history, denying stalin, denying the next leader of stalin (I know who it is but I can't spell it in english)

[feral river]

of course that's from your prospect, but the people of Russia actually benefit from the Soviet Union

[manic juniper]

The people in Russia aren't the people from the countries that got annexed, which is my entire point

[feral river]

yes

[manic juniper]

It didn't benefit many minorities in Russia as well

[feral river]

we also annexed Tibet, but they don't wanna be annexed ?

we don't care then. because we need maximum our benefit.

[feral river]

that's correct. they actually doesn't have any power and messed up their nation

[manic juniper]

Bruh

Was it good when Japan tried to take over your country then?

[feral river]

it's not good but it make sense, because Japan staying in their small territory and they wanna expand for hundred of years.

if I was the Japanese leader, of course a war with China to expand territory is necessary.

that's the best for Japan

but actually... history proven that Japan started a long-term war with China is failure action.

if they signed the peace agreement with Kuomintang, they will have a lot of advantages and they are also the great power since the WW2 was end

[astral pagoda]

@versed rain

[feral river]

but history can't be changed.

[astral pagoda]

create a thread to discuss that topic

oh
members don't have that permission

[feral river]

the point was your prospect, if your prospect was supporting China, you will condemn Japan because they started war and they massacred Chinese people, but if your prospect was supporting Japan, you will know how important for expanding Japanese territory to China mainland.

[versed rain]

I have come here.

@astral pagoda

[main bison]

hey

who wanted to talk about islam?

[whole beacon]

@versed rain to achieve power ,u have to have a lot of influence, and only riches enables u to do that.
Thats why they are called oligarchies.

[astral pagoda]

what do you have to say

[manic juniper]

My prospect isn't about supporting a country over another, that's myopic. It isn't much to side with the people that want to build their own country and not be oppressed

[versed rain]

Bro, if u want to upgrade your military power u should have money but if you have money that is not mean of you can be powerfull on military.

[manic juniper]

They're called oligarchy because the power is in the hands of few people, olygos is a Greek word that means few

[feral river]

but for aggressor that's best for oppress them

[manic juniper]

Monarchy is power in the hands of one, diarchy is two

[versed rain]

Is any greek here?

[feral river]

don't you have any other options for maximum benefit for your own people ?

[clear schooner]

MONEY IS POWER MAN
IF U HAVE MONEY AND STILL DK HOW TO SPEND IT THEN YOU'RE DONE

[feral river]

I don't think there is another best option besides oppress them

[whole beacon]

No,brooo
If u are a civilian buisness man who's filthy rich. The money u have we'll give u political influence even military influence.

[manic juniper]

There is no tangible benefit in oppressing and occupying, people will be unhappy and perform worse, they will revolt and discriminate or hate the majority

[whole beacon]

U just explained what the word means.

[feral river]

they will and their territory is important, their resources is also important.

[astral pagoda]

this depend on the country and how much do your country need your service or product

[manic juniper]

Yes, because it isn't about people being rich, it CAN be about them but it isn't always like that

[feral river]

if they don't need more resources, more power, more strength why they need occupying that place ?

[manic juniper]

They can trade those resources if they don't need them

[zinc ether]

hey guys, can u rate my essay pls? if there are any grammatical errors, pls tell me
The chart provides information about global sales of Mobile Phone Games, Online Games, Console Games and Handheld games since 2000 to 2006 in billions dollars every year.
The highest sales of handheld Games was in 2006 and nearby 18 billion dollars was gained, moreover sales of handheld games increased from 2000 to 2006 and rise by almost 10 billion dollars, when started with approximately 11 billion dollars in 2000. Then sales of console games in 2000 was on 6 billions, but sales slowly falled by 2 billions dollars to 2006 and reached 3 billion dollars of sale
Sales of mobile games in 2002, when mobile games was created firstly, was on about 1 billion dollars, but there is a sharp increase in a number of sales between 2002 to 2006, by almost 5 billion dollars. Also the number of sales of online games was almost equal to the number of sales of mobile games

[whole beacon]

I know, but it only can be achieved through cheer wealth.
Im just simplifying the concept

[feral river]

why ? trade needs money and other resources, but took over those region becomes yours and you will never need to depend on others.

[versed rain]

I am from Turkiye. Why have Turkiye a big inflation? This answer is that: Turkiye have been spending too much money for military rank for 5 years. You can see whats upgrading. For this example arabs only lives with expencive cars with their oil but they have not any military. America exploits year by year.

[feral river]

self-dependence is kind of security.

[zinc ether]

id send the chart, but i cant so sry

[manic juniper]

No country is completely self dependent by now

[whole beacon]

No this is universal.

[feral river]

but no doubt they want to achieve

it's a damn good advantage to achieve self-dependence.

[manic juniper]

It can be achieved peacefully and it's more stable than any other option

[feral river]

but why ? peaceful achieving those stuff needs time and more money even patient.

[main bison]

that's right

[manic juniper]

It's why once the Soviet Union collapsed and all the other countries ran to join NATO or distanced themselves form Russia

[feral river]

a war to annex them is the best option when they are weak.

[manic juniper]

It doesn't need more money

[feral river]

annex them, you don't need to care anything except using force to occupying

that's easy, and it always happening

[manic juniper]

Hasn't happened in decades in the EU

[exotic onyx]

You play too much hoi4

[clear schooner]

Mhm that's my pov
If you spend the money on the right thing you will get the best with it ...and about Arab countries I'd tell ya QATAR and SAUDI are the safest countries of the world also UAE
They have got the safest life for them self as Turkiye.

[feral river]

because they are dependent and they have modern military which means if you started war against other nation that will be hell to pay

but it doesn't mean that is not available in other places

and it happens, always happening in the past.

you will under economic sanction, even military interfere, which means you may lose.

[versed rain]

Because America protects these countries for oil.

We see Afghanistan. Afghanistan reached freedom.

[viral hemlock]

"falled" - Should be 'fell'.
"Created firstly" - "Was first created"

Overall your choice of a few words makes it hard to follow a coherent story. "Was gained, moreover"

.....overall I would have a couple questions on the computational order of the math used. Not that it's 'wrong'

[clear schooner]

There's no country in the world whether it's under control of any super power country (US, RUSSIA,CHINA)
Including today's Afghanistan

[manic juniper]

Hasn't happened in Latin America either

[feral river]

because of what ? you guess ?

United States of America

[zinc ether]

thanks bro

[manic juniper]

What do they have to do with Latin American countries and their conflicts, that would benefit USA

[feral river]

they have conflict is the best for USA.

[manic juniper]

They don't have conflicts, only Venezuela with Guyana does

[versed rain]

Yeah, already EU makes everything for what America wants.

[feral river]

they have enormous internal issues, and they actually all NON-POWER

[versed rain]

I cannot say anything about this.

[feral river]

they don't have crucial resources like Venezuela

[manic juniper]

They have internal issues but they aren't at war with each other lol

Russia is a regional power at best

[feral river]

because if you fight against each other, USA will using their best tool, UN to solve this problem for their maximum benefit.

[manic juniper]

It only recently surpassed Italy's economy

[feral river]

an unstable place which nearing any country is not a good signal for them.

[clear schooner]

Mhm told u

[feral river]

if you look at the history of GDP of the Soviet Union.

[viral hemlock]

China & the US both use consent by force on both their friends & enemies. I see little value to plebs to support either.

[feral river]

you will know how powerful Soviet it is.

[manic juniper]

Yeah and Russia isn't the Soviet Union

[feral river]

but Soviet Union represents Russian people's benefit.

non of other minors

[manic juniper]

If Russia has any regional importance today it's only thanks to the Soviet Union, which says a lot about their shitty economy

[ocean lichen]

Russia doing the right thing

[feral river]

that's why I say Stalin is important for Russia, for Soviet Union

not for minors

[ocean lichen]

75 percent

[feral river]

I wasn't talking about Stalin did not do anything bad, and I know what he do is creating holocaust against minors.

but it's best for againsting them rather than let them independent.

of course those minors always wanna independent from Stalin but they failed.

[manic juniper]

Clearly not, since Russia has no friendly countries in its western borders besides Belarus

[versed rain]

What is the mindset of the communists? Really disgusting. Why don't a person want democracy?

[feral river]

that's past leader's doing.

[manic juniper]

So being aggressive towards the Baltics, Poland and Ukraine didn't work out quite well

[feral river]

not Stalin bro

[manic juniper]

Who do you think occupied those places and started the deportations?

You're not even from any of those countries

[feral river]

I have one question, that deportation is for who ?

[manic juniper]

Minorities mostly

[feral river]

for minors ? for Ukraine ? for Poland ? who the hell any Soviet leader care them, they care is their great country, Soviet Union

[manic juniper]

Yeah and their great country isn't a thing anymore

[feral river]

yes

[manic juniper]

That's some genius planning on Stalin's side

[feral river]

but they do is for Soviet Union, they killing for Soviet Union, they deporting for Soviet Union, not minors

that's my point

[manic juniper]

Maybe if he let them develop on their own they would've joined willingly and be a long term benefit and contributors

[feral river]

well I guess maybe ?

[manic juniper]

We got an island that almost was part of Sweden just by protecting them rather than occupying them

And afterwards they voted to join our country

[feral river]

but for us, we are suppressing Tibetans and Uhygurs it worked properly, both region is more stable and more likely for living for majority of people in China.

[manic juniper]

Are you justifying ethnic cleansing

[feral river]

nope, but it actually works.

[manic juniper]

Of course it works, until it doesn't

[feral river]

yes, that's all enough

[manic juniper]

That's what Germany attempted with Poland and it kept losing millions in war assets and logistics because Polish partisans kept sabotaging them

One day it may end like Myanmar, where minorities ally with each other to fight the country's military

[feral river]

they are so extreme I believe if they give another way for polish people like naturalization process for loyal citizens, I think they will be more powerful.

[manic juniper]

And by that point there will be nothing the government can do except being more aggressive

Until it collapses or can't afford it anymore

[feral river]

but that freaking leader, is a extreme racist...

[feral river]

why you think their junta will collapse ?

what if junta took over again

[manic juniper]

Because they can't control the entire country already, minorities are capturing vast portions of land and the economy isn't regulated

[feral river]

but they have more power, more economic power and more powerful military

they are receiving aids from China

[manic juniper]

Seems like it isn't enough

[feral river]

I would say they can win or not, just depending their power.

if minors actually has more power and it succeed, that's a W

but if junta took back their territory and continuing suppress minors, that's a L

[manic juniper]

The only outcomes I can see are either their country getting Balkanised to hell or the military will step down and the leaders will try to democratise the country to avoid consequences

[feral river]

that's the outcomes you believed in.

but I believe the truth.

the truth is junta do have more power, and they are likely to win

[manic juniper]

Kinda like what happened in the ROC, they probably democratised the country because the dictator feared they would fail to hold back the revolts

[feral river]

I don't know, but will they continuing exist ?

[manic juniper]

Having more power doesn't always translate like that, especially in a country full of jungles like Myanmar. USA was undoubtedly more powerful than Vietnam, but wasn't that efficient

[feral river]

I don't know about that, maybe one day their regime will collaspe and the red flag of People's Republic of China will be placed over their presidential building.

[manic juniper]

They will not give up and they will fight China as well

[feral river]

yes that's true

[manic juniper]

It'll turn into China's Vietnam War

😈

[feral river]

they will ? idk, but if they will just kill all of them then. I guess that's the order from Beijing

isn't that a strange thing for Chinese nation, in history they massacre the city they took over.

and for most empires too.

[manic juniper]

It's a stupid outdated way of conducting politics, barely above animals in term of thoughts, in fact I'd say it's offensive to compare animals to countries that act like that

[feral river]

depends how many people gonna surrender.

if they all surrender, no one damages.

[manic juniper]

Even some ant species ally with each other and don't care about where the other ants are from

[feral river]

if they fight, all of fighters will be killed.

[manic juniper]

If ants can do that and humans cannot, they are undoubtedly better

[feral river]

unforunately, we are human

actually, it's a brief history for China/Russia/USA has no war with others.

we even have a famous book, called the art of war which released in 5th BC.

today's 21.

the stage of power for the world, is always active.

19th, British, Russia, Germany, France, Japan

[manic juniper]

?

[feral river]

20th, USA, Soviet Union, Germany, Japan, China, Italy, British

[manic juniper]

How did Russia and China annex each other's Siberian regions then?

[feral river]

well ? maybe it's my english problem ? I was saying those nations has a brief history which is having no wars with others.

which means most of time they exist is having war with others.

they fight in Siberian and Russia wins, so they deserve then

you probably don't know how territory important for nations ?

[manic juniper]

It's overrated

[feral river]

there are always been a L or W in a war and may it has W and W in a war, or L and L in a war.

you may curious, how W and W ?

[manic juniper]

No winners in a war amongst the populace

[feral river]

罪在当代, 功在千秋 (The crime is in the present time, but the merit is in the future)

that's not the prospect for us.

for US, and for Russia

[manic juniper]

There are no winners in the future either

No one will remember or care

[feral river]

we care, for now.

that's all enough

[manic juniper]

Why

What's different to you if China for example takes Amur back from Russia?

[feral river]

economy, resources, jobs, prosperity.

and power

[manic juniper]

Do you get richer and more powerful?

[feral river]

what if our land all have more oil ?

we will be the dubai then!

damn that's so damn good

[manic juniper]

Does the government give you a piece of Amur?

[feral river]

they don't but they generates for us

[manic juniper]

Do they give you the profits from the trades?

[feral river]

can you imagine a lot of stuff that instantly having it.

[manic juniper]

They have to increase spending to change the region

[feral river]

increase spending means jobs

enormous jobs

economy prosperity

our prosperity comes from large territory

[manic juniper]

They may invite some people to settle the place, but China has billions of people so it's unlikely that you'll be called, even if you are, you will have to settle a poorer region with less development

[feral river]

oh really ? I'm using iPhone 15 to talking with you ?

and my family having 2 cars ?

both are CCP members

why you think I can't get the benefit

[manic juniper]

The average person doesn't have relationships with the CCP

Besides I get it now, you're defending your political class

[feral river]

CCP member has 100mil

[feral river]

wait, I want to ask, why would I abandon that ?

[manic juniper]

Less than 10% of the population

[manic juniper]

I didn't say that

But I get why you're defending it

[feral river]

I was stating the truth, personally I will defending it but it does not cause conflict to know what is the truth

[manic juniper]

That's not the truth, it's an opinion

[feral river]

the truth is more territory = more benefit

the opinion of more territory != more benefit ?

what are the exceptions are you talking about or just you don't agree it in any forms ?

[manic juniper]

Germany has less territory than WW2 and before that time

[feral river]

because they lose ?

[manic juniper]

And it's much better today

[feral river]

what ?

[manic juniper]

And yet they're better off today

[feral river]

wait, I want to ask you one question

if Germany gives their capital to Russia, will German be good ?

[manic juniper]

Nope

[feral river]

if Germany has Russian's capital, will German be good ?

[manic juniper]

They wouldn't administer it well

No

[feral river]

why don't they just sell their capital back to Russian 🤣

for 1 USD

[manic juniper]

It's full of people that don't speak German, that don't have anything to do with Germany, whose city is completely detached from Germany

[feral river]

sell it back then

[manic juniper]

I don't get what you're trying to say

[feral river]

I was trying to say, if they have their capital, they can just sell it back to them

and they getting more benefit

that's over.

[manic juniper]

Both Germany and Russia would be better off without each other's capitals

[feral river]

but aren't you denying that they can't sell it back ?

I was wondering how ?

[manic juniper]

I'm not denying anything because I don't get what you're trying to say even

[feral river]

how is like a stuff coming from your hand, and you say that is no beneficial to you ?

I'm confused

[manic juniper]

If they invade one another and then sell back the conquered territory it'll damage trade relationships

[feral river]

I was saying if there is a stuff, coming to your hand, you have right to choose this fate of the stuff

you are actually getting more benefit

there is no doubt

[manic juniper]

How does it end up there? I doubt people would willingly give me free stuff

[feral river]

are you denying that if you have more stuff which means you don't getting more benefit ?

[manic juniper]

For example there is Russian Karelia, if I was president of my country and Russia wanted to give Karelia back to us I'd reject the offer

[manic juniper]

More stuff isn't always better, it often needs maintenance

If my home was bigger I'd have to clean a lot more

[feral river]

but what if it don't needs maintenance

[manic juniper]

And spend more to keep it clean, and more time to clean it too

[feral river]

what if it don't needs maintenance

[manic juniper]

Most of the times it does

[feral river]

and you mean, the territory needs huge maintenance project

[manic juniper]

Russian Karelia is way behind Finland in living standard

[feral river]

which means more conflict will comes out, more money pouring in and may you will lose them

[manic juniper]

It would be pointless to accept Russian Karelia just because my country would get way bigger

[feral river]

I will say if you don't have that ability to maintenance, just don't do it.

but my leader have, and it gets better.

Russia have, USA have, China also have.

[manic juniper]

I doubt that

The most developed regions of China are more autonomous

[feral river]

are you talking SARS ?

[manic juniper]

USA didn't improve Hawaii either

[manic juniper]

Yes

Russia hasn't improved anything, if anything the opposite happened

Russia annexed Finnish Karelia, look at living standards there vs Finland

[feral river]

have you ever heard of Shanghai ? Chongqing ? Beijing ? Guangzhou ? Shenzhen ?

those places are not SARs

and even my place, the capital of Shandong province, Jinan is not.

I actually travelled in almost all of those megacities

[manic juniper]

Absurd gap

[feral river]

and even I ever been Xinjiang, Urumuqi and Tibet, Lasa.

I even been North Korea, Japan, Singapore.

[feral river]

yes but what is the problem ?

[manic juniper]

You said those governments improve the places, they clearly do not

[feral river]

have you ever see that night of North Korea and South Korea from the map ?

[merry dome]

um
Urumuqi ?
how do u even pronunce that 💀

[feral river]

乌鲁木齐 = wu lu mu qi = Urumuqi

[feral river]

they just need to control why would they gonna improve ?

[merry dome]

cool.

[feral river]

they controlled this area and exploit resources and feed their core places

[manic juniper]

It's inefficient

[feral river]

at least better than no

just like Henan contributed the most food in China but Henan is poor

and Seribia contributed the resources for Russia but Seribia is full of ice

it's so damn common

[manic juniper]

If they produce and they're still poor then China doesn't even aim for communism

[feral river]

yes

but they must produce

if they don't produce they will facing another big problem which is alive or dead.

We all angry if they complain about this thing because they must work and they can live

If they don’t work they don’t have money

That’s how capitalism works

[manic juniper]

Why do you say this then, you're an hypocrite

[feral river]

But capitalism allowed some people taking huge profits without work

[manic juniper]

You're an hypocrite if first you say that you look up to communists but feel that poverty is justified

[feral river]

I said what if

And I was not promoting communism

[feral river]

This

[manic juniper]

If real communists take over your country it's over

[feral river]

I don’t know what you are arguing on which point, but basically I was saying that Stalin is good for Soviet Union, and occupying territories in our state is beneficial for majority and it properly worked

And how capitalism and occupation works

But it seems like you are questioning my stance

[manic juniper]

Because it isn't true

Idk how it is true when Germany developed better after WW2 with less territory

[feral river]

Which point is not true ?

[manic juniper]

That more territory is better and that governments make good use of it

[feral river]

Yes ?

But which point I was saying is not true ?

[manic juniper]

I will not repeat it again

[prime cloak]

i see that you guys are talking about the russian annexation of karelia

but lets talk about the brazilian annexation of bolivian Acre

hahahahahahahaha

[feral river]

Well actually never heard of

XD

[prime cloak]

Well, since it's latin america, things are better there than in bolivia

Are you actually from China? I'd love to meet the forbidden city

[feral river]

Yes

Forbidden city is awesome

[prime cloak]

There are a few chinese people here where i live, some are very gentle, i'd like to approach and talk mandarin to someone however i lack knowledge of this beautiful language

[feral river]

LMAO this language is the hardest language in the world

[prime cloak]

i was learning russian, but mandarin is indeed very difficult, i can say hello only

something like niihaao

[feral river]

Yeah hijab

NIHAO

Stupid apple input system

[prime cloak]

it's a tonal language isn't it?

[manic juniper]

Yes

[feral river]

My input system was glitched

[prime cloak]

i've said niihao to a chinese vendor, he blatantly ignored me

[feral river]

That’s pretty bad

[prime cloak]

however the ones selling food here are gentle

maybe i've said it wrong and cussed on him?

[manic juniper]

Or he thought you said ciao

[feral river]

Cao LMAO

Cao means fuck

[prime cloak]

I hope i hadn't said that

[manic juniper]

I had foreigners say wrong things to me because they don't differentiate A from Ä or O from Ö

[prime cloak]

it's a very difficult language, but i think i would be connect more easily with the chinese community here

[prime cloak]

where are you from?

[manic juniper]

Finland

[feral river]

I guess, are they so many Chinese in Brazil ?

[prime cloak]

i am brazilian, so we can say ã

[manic juniper]

Is it similar

[prime cloak]

i like nightwhish hahahahaha, i'd love to go to finland someday

[feral river]

One question, can I freely travel in Brazil if I only speak English ?

[prime cloak]

yes, however, be careful here

[merry dome]

💀

[prime cloak]

it's important to know where you are going, don't go sneaking into a favela

or some dangerous neighborhood

[feral river]

That’s the freaking apple input system

[manic juniper]

Just for Nightwish?

[feral river]

I hate IOS

[merry dome]

go buy samsung
Way better

[prime cloak]

i am getting quite acquainted with european folk culture, i believe i can find a lot of it in finland

[feral river]

Nah Samsung bombs

I actually only use iPhone

[manic juniper]

There is some, certainly more than in most other countries

[prime cloak]

there are a lot of chinese tourists here in my city, some of them don't even speak english

[manic juniper]

Genuine interest is more stable than dumb nationalism

[feral river]

Nationalism may have interest

[prime cloak]

i actually wanna leave brazil, i don't think things are going to get better here in public safety 😦

i mean, the country is HUGE and there are safe areas here

[feral river]

If 91% of people have same race, same culture, same nationality

I think nationalism is best

[prime cloak]

some i'd like to live, particularly in the south or center east, but the law here is too weak

[feral river]

Anyways bye guys I’m gonna sleep

[prime cloak]

i am from it and i am also doing a masters degree in AI, so i think it may be easier for me to leave soon

[prime cloak]

good night🙏

[manic juniper]

Is there no improvement on the horizon?

[prime cloak]

Unfortunatelly, in questions of public safety, which is the most concerning issue here, no

the president said he would like to pardon lower crimes, and people who commit them shoudn't go to jail

[merry dome]

in my country samsung is more useful cuz most pf apples services are boycotted

[manic juniper]

It'd be a good idea but that depends on what he intends about that

[prime cloak]

by lower crimes i mean robbing cellphones, stores, cars

[manic juniper]

If it's just personal drug use or more

[prime cloak]

and that is already a problem here, the law is too weak

if a person kills someone here, this person may spend only 12 years in jail (or less)

and the killer is also permitted to leave jail on holidays

everyone who have commited a felony is....

[manic juniper]

How

Our prison system is quite generous

[prime cloak]

for me that is the only problem of the country, but the one people care the less and the one that most afflicts society here

[prime cloak]

the law obliges

[manic juniper]

Criminals are paid if they work here

[prime cloak]

that's not allowed here 😦

[manic juniper]

Some are hired once they are released and the amount of criminals is usually low and stable

[prime cloak]

the prisonal system here is danmed

the police arrests and the justice releases

if someone takes your cellphone or your car, be assure that no justice will be done

home invasions happen often in big cities

it's very sad

[manic juniper]

Are guns allowed by law?

[prime cloak]

no

[manic juniper]

Are there many guns circling around?

If yes they may as well allow citizens to keep guns

[prime cloak]

only in the hand of criminals

[manic juniper]

Then they should make them legal for all

[prime cloak]

some parts of the cities aren't controlled by the state

criminals have huge amounts of territory in some cities here

i bet you've heard about rio de janeiro before

more than 50% of the city is controlled by criminals, literally

[manic juniper]

The periphery I guess?

[prime cloak]

exactly (and some suburbs also)

police cant go in

[manic juniper]

How do they control it? Just economy-wise or is it also more physical with roadblocks and outposts

[prime cloak]

roadblocks, bribery, extorsion of merchants

[manic juniper]

Sorta like how southern Italy used to be

[prime cloak]

they also steal cargo

[manic juniper]

However the police and the military police eventually started actively resisting and fighting them until they had to move in the underground sectors

[prime cloak]

YES, you get it

but i believe it's more wild here than in italy

[manic juniper]

It is

But Italy hasn't been like that since the late 90s

And it was only the South

The mafia moved to the political and industrial side, it isn't an active war of violence anymore

[prime cloak]

not the whole country is like that, but the law is weak and permits that, our supreme court is permissible with criminals and forbade military operations in slums

[manic juniper]

It's an economic detriment, I would conduct an active war against those people

[prime cloak]

italy actually had a strong law, the north was rich

[manic juniper]

There is only one language those groups know and it's their own, you may as well arm your people and use it against them

[prime cloak]

exactly :(, howver that is far from happening here

[manic juniper]

Sorta, in the South they weren't always enforced, there were duels in town squares at times

[prime cloak]

no one, not even the right or the left cares about this problem

[manic juniper]

My friends told me about how people were killed in city centres and how gangs fought on the streets

[prime cloak]

they just talk about the economy, which is not a problem here

there is poverty, however some regions are really prosperous

that is why i gave up on brazil, sadly

[manic juniper]

They could recruit people and form a massive peasant army to fight those or at least resist them, and pay them

[prime cloak]

i was think about going to uruguay, or getting an it job in the US

[manic juniper]

I doubt criminals are the majority of the country, so they are going to lose against the military+many citizens

[prime cloak]

they are not, but they never go to jail

and Rio de janeiro has a LOT of criminals, it's in the culture there

[manic juniper]

I'm pro-action

[prime cloak]

me too

have you heard about the president of el salvador?

[manic juniper]

My country never had many criminals though

Is he the one that wants to wage war against them?

[prime cloak]

exactly

el salvador is now the most safe country in the world

[manic juniper]

Yeah, they should arm the locals too, you're never too sure

Especially if they think about coming back

[prime cloak]

he is inspiring lots of countries here

but in brazil things are always complicated

[manic juniper]

They could make a huge island for the worst criminals to work in, like Norway does

[prime cloak]

the main problem people care here is the economy

[prime cloak]

that would never be allowed here

[manic juniper]

And have it full of criminals from all over Latin America and guards from all over there too

It has to be a community project

[prime cloak]

the narcos are in the politics

[manic juniper]

It'd be especially easy for countries other than Brazil since they all speak the same language

[prime cloak]

politicians receive donations from narcos

we've impeached our president in 2016 here

[manic juniper]

That could be an issue in the future as well if they are forced to "leave" the public spheres

[prime cloak]

but only because the economy wasn't doing nice

[manic juniper]

They'll move to underground operations

[prime cloak]

there are some new voices appearing here, but they are too little to achieve power, brazilian people know that public safety is an issue, but people just seem to not care about it

i might move to a safer state and then move out of the country

[manic juniper]

How many states does Brasil have?

[prime cloak]

26 states and the federal district (which is actually a "very" safe place to live)

[manic juniper]

It isn't very safe to be a corrupt politician

If the status quo changes you may end up in a bad position

[prime cloak]

in finland i guess hahahahahaha

our last president was in jail

[manic juniper]

No, in general, if the status quo changes people may not be kind to you

[prime cloak]

he commited crimes even in other countries in latin america

[manic juniper]

Like Ukraine's previous president, I mean people were kind enough to him but he had to leave

[prime cloak]

presidents where obliged to leave power because of the actions of corrupt politicians of brazil

[prime cloak]

well i didn't know about that

[manic juniper]

Then you have politicians that get the short end of the stick like Mussolini and some of his party, they were imprisoned or executed

What's smarter is to step down or transfer power peacefully

[prime cloak]

Brazilians don't revolt ahahhaha, so it's not a problem for them here

[manic juniper]

I think that's what China's last emperor did

[prime cloak]

even though the country is violent, people are very peaceful

[manic juniper]

He turned into a propaganda setpiece with no real power and was spared

[prime cloak]

as long as the economy is doing fine, people don't care if corruption is happening

[manic juniper]

They are probably more bothered by mundane stuff

Which is fine, not everyone is a fighter

[prime cloak]

yeah i don't see a bright horizon here, i was actually learning russian, i had intentions to move there before the war

than the war started and i stopped learning, i spent 4 years learning it

now i am doing spanish, it's more easier to move to spain or portugal as a brazilian

[manic juniper]

Russia was more or less fine with IT before the war, not the best but there were opportunities

The best option in Europe is undoubtedly UK

[prime cloak]

Yeah, i even looked on belarus hahahaha, but it wasn't very appealing to me

[manic juniper]

There is a region in Finland where IT is also quite profitable, the one where I'm from

[prime cloak]

The UK is actually good, but you have to be really good in what you are doing to be accepted there

[manic juniper]

I think it's the same here, also because there are few people

And it's one of the least populated regions

[prime cloak]

usually brazilians go to portugal, because the language barrier is easier and them move to another country

actually, there are a lot of brazilians in ireland

i've got no beef with ireland

[manic juniper]

Indeed, I know one such that is half Brasilian and half Portuguese

[prime cloak]

it looks very safe for me hahahaha

i mean, they had the IRA in the past

[manic juniper]

Only Belarus and Moldova are kinda unsafe in Europe, the others have less safe areas that are around the capital but not all the times

And of course Ukraine because it's at war

Even Bosnia is safe despite having a separatist region way larger than Moldova's, and Moldova isn't unsafe because of separatists, it's just like that

[prime cloak]

do you know, that it's more safe to be a ukrainian soldier in ukraine, than a person living in brazil?

[manic juniper]

I guess so

[prime cloak]

hahahahaha it's strange but it's true

[manic juniper]

I know that homicide rates are extremely high in some countries, especially in Latin America

So it wouldn't surprise me

[prime cloak]

It's not like everyone might die here in a tourist zone or in the streets

but we definitely have no-go zones

[manic juniper]

It's like that in Sweden, and there are bombings too

[prime cloak]

and the problem in big cities

[manic juniper]

But it isn't that bad

[prime cloak]

i've heard about the no-go zones in sweden

and the military operation against crime

[manic juniper]

It's dangerous if you're caught in the crossfire or are part of those gangs

[prime cloak]

but swedes took that more seriously than brazil ever took

[manic juniper]

So it often isn't dangerous

[prime cloak]

i wouldn't move to finland just because of the language barrier hahahaha

[manic juniper]

You can learn Swedish and move to Finland

Swedish is easy, not as much as English but close enough

[prime cloak]

i've heard that german is actually very close to english

and it's not that difficult to move there

[manic juniper]

They're all Germanic languages, German is West Germanic like English is

Swedish is North Germanic, but it's very simple compared to German

[prime cloak]

i am learning spanish right now, but i might take a look into swedish... or even finnish... it depends where i can find more opportunity

since not a lot of people speak swedish or finnish i may not have too much people to compete with in my area

we actually have a region that speaks german here in brazil

and pomeranian

[manic juniper]

Finnish is too different

It's better to learn Swedish even if you wish to move to Finland

There is a region that is majority Swedish speaking, and another that is almost only Swedish speaking

[prime cloak]

hmmm i mean, i was learning russian before so i thought it may be a little similar to slavic languages, but i might take a look into swedish

don't they speak finnish in estonia?

or estonian is a language that has its roots in finnish heritage

i've heard something like that before

estonia is actually a very I.T friendly country, but it looks too depressive

[jagged sonnet]

Why are you all guys writing/making note in chat ????

[prime cloak]

I am talking to Isfrun about moving out of my country because of violence

and we've developed a line of thought about how some countries deal with violence

[jolly agate]

Every bit of learning is a little death. Every bit of new information challenges a previous conception, forcing it to dissolve into chaos before it can be reborn as something better. Sometimes such deaths virtually destroy us.

[manic juniper]

They speak Estonian

[manic juniper]

It's Finnic but it's quite different from Finnish, it separated thousands of years ago

[manic juniper]

All northern European countries are, ours is the same

[prime cloak]

depressive or it friendly? HAHAHAHA

[manic juniper]

People themselves are helpful here but they aren't very friendly

In Estonia they're neither helpful or friendly

[prime cloak]

oh sorry I.T friendly

[manic juniper]

Oh

I don't know about Estonia but I guess it must be, it is developing fast

It's one of the fastest growing economies on the continent

[prime cloak]

yeah skype is estonian, but the language barrier is too high

i actually would like to meet latvia

or letonia

[manic juniper]

It's why I think Finland is easier because of Swedish speaking areas, 5% of our people speak Swedish as first language

[prime cloak]

i am catholic, and one of these countries is pretty catholic in a gothic way

[manic juniper]

It's Lithuania

Latvians and Estonians don't care much about religion

[prime cloak]

yeah lithuania, i called it letonia, my bad

[manic juniper]

Letonia is Latvia

It has that name in Neolatin languages

[prime cloak]

I love gothic architecture, things here a pretty baroque like in portugal

[prime cloak]

is that lithuania?

amazing

[manic juniper]

Yes, it's in Vilnius

And it's Gothic

[prime cloak]

oh i know a lithuanian singer called aleksandra spicberga

[manic juniper]

The churches in Estonia and Latvia are more similar to ours

[prime cloak]

our gothic churches are in the south of the country, but we only have neo gothic, mostly churches are like that:

[manic juniper]

We only have pointy churches, and I don't mean pointy like that but more like shaped like arrows

[prime cloak]

they are full of gold inside, that is my catedral

[prime cloak]

oh that architecture is amazing, we have one famous catedral here in Sao Paulo that is neogothic, but nothing like the vilnius catedral

[prime cloak]

i think portugal didn't like gothic architecture

[manic juniper]

Random naked man sitting in front of it

[prime cloak]

too modern that one

[manic juniper]

Or they modified it

[prime cloak]

we've got some modern ones too, but i don't fint it appealing

that is the catedral of brasilia our capital

pretty bleh

now that is the catedral of sao paulo, neo gothic:

[manic juniper]

We have "old" churches by Finnish standards but they never look flashy

It's more about not having the snow build up on top of them

[prime cloak]

i am going to leave right now because i need to finish (not finnish) a report, but thanks for the conversation, i might join later to do some accent improving on the chat

peace 🙏

[manic juniper]

Bye, I'll see if I can get this PS Vita modded

[onyx hazel]

Yes you can, but I think it really depends on where you want to go in Brazil

[thorny steeple]

They're gorgeous interior and exterior

[worldly drum]

Why so serious?

[worldly drum]

@shadow kite You mind continuing the conversation?

[shadow kite]

I don't mind.

Do you have any questions regarding Christianity?

[worldly drum]

Not specifically Christianity but yeah

I'm assuming you're from eastern europe is that right?

Also what does your bio say?

[shadow kite]

Yes, I am Greek

[shadow kite]

Christian Orthodox

[worldly drum]

Is that greek written there?

[shadow kite]

Correct.

[worldly drum]

It's just interesting to see religious people in today's day and age

[shadow kite]

I don't consider myself religious, I'm not a good representative of my religion

I just try to be as faithful as I can.

[worldly drum]

Specially since I'm from a Muslim majority country I don't get to interact with non Muslim religious people

[worldly drum]

Well I would say the same for myself

But I do take God seriously

[shadow kite]

I love the Lord and I will stay His faithful servant until my last breath.

Whatever it takes.

[worldly drum]

What about the greek population, is it a majority cristian country?

Also Christianity is considered a monotheistic religion right?

[shadow kite]

The predominant religion of Greece is Orthodoxy. Unfortunately, people have lost their faith in God.

Yes, a monotheistic, abrahamic religion.

[worldly drum]

Do you guys also follow the Torah, is Torah and the old Testament the same thing?

[manic juniper]

You can be religious without being erudite

[worldly drum]

What's erudite?

[manic juniper]

Torah is only the first 5 books of the OT

[shadow kite]

knowledgeable

[manic juniper]

Knowledgeable, well studied

[devout shale]

well educated, beyond good

[worldly drum]

Sure

[feral river]

So what it can be well educated?

[worldly drum]

But I think following a religion or any philosophy for that matter should be a conscious and educated decision

[shadow kite]

It mostly takes love and humility

You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you lack love you have nothing.

[worldly drum]

What does love mean to you in this context?

[feral river]

Religion is about trust, but philosophy is about questioning

[worldly drum]

Not necessarily

[manic juniper]

There are mysteries in religions as well

[feral river]

Religion is unfalsible which means you can always use any prospect of your religion to explain something.

[worldly drum]

@manic juniper are you also a Christian?

[shadow kite]

Patience, kindness, truth, protection, trust and hope.

[devout shale]

good point

[manic juniper]

I'm not but I've read some of the Bible

[feral river]

That’s why I’m not religious, because I don’t think absolute trust brings anything useful to me

I rather believe myself.

[shadow kite]

And sacrifice

[feral river]

And always be questioning about everything

[shadow kite]

You can question while being religious.

[worldly drum]

Are you a theist though?

[feral river]

Actually yes, it has religious philosophy and I know, but the core of religion is about trust

[worldly drum]

Fair enough

[manic juniper]

Sorta

[shadow kite]

It's about faith, love and hope.