🧠｜serious-chat

[limpid whale]

since the war, europe cutted relations

[feral river]

I think this "Special Military Operation" is completely unnecessary at all for his nation and for this people.

[limpid whale]

germany stopped recieving gas

[feral river]

they literally screwed up

[limpid whale]

he is making time and making usa spend money in ukraine

[grave temple]

america arms are almost infinite

[limpid whale]

usa is sendind less monet to ukraine, putin is waiting for that moment

[feral river]

but it doesn't mean that they are still have a chance to fight against USA

[grave temple]

they sell weapons like its nothing

[feral river]

they are no longer as Soviet Union anymore

[grave temple]

biggest manufacturer of weapons in the world

[feral river]

that powerful Soviet Union

[grave temple]

soviet union was weak

[feral river]

is gone. just like I was never exist.

[grave temple]

thats why it collapsed

[limpid whale]

fact yeah

[feral river]

it was powerful in power but weak in economy and they internal issues.

[limpid whale]

for now, like we cant predict the future, also why is a lot of people homeless in usa and all this fentanyl crisis?

[feral river]

they have too many internal issues in early times since Stalin came to power.

but they didn't solve that they didn't reform that

and they finally collapsed.

[jolly agate]

They still have time to completly collapsed

[feral river]

well I think USA government doesn't care that ?

[jolly agate]

its going down for sure

[feral river]

maybe ?

I don't know for that just a guess you know

[limpid whale]

this year people gonna vote for Trump

idk whats gonna happen with us hahaha

[jolly agate]

Trump is the last hope

[limpid whale]

yeah

[jolly agate]

Bidan sold america

[feral river]

well well well I think Biden still have a chance

[jolly agate]

Naa

[grave temple]

demented grandpa?

[limpid whale]

i dont trust in anyone atm

[grave temple]

🤣

[feral river]

because of this

[jolly agate]

Even if he have trump got more probality to fix america

[jolly agate]

whatjs this stats

[feral river]

GDP/capita.

at least their economy was properly worked.

[grave temple]

very developped

homelessness is only a small problem

[feral river]

that's HDI

[grave temple]

exactly

poverty inequality

everything a society needs

[feral river]

our HDI is also high

this is the data of China.

[grave temple]

79th

out of 200

there are 78 countries before china

[feral river]

look at the territories.

[grave temple]

ukraine is 77 🤣

[grave temple]

area doesnt mean anything

[feral river]

9,833,520 km2 for USA and 9,596,961 km2 for China

[grave temple]

switzerland number 1

and its very small

canada is 2nd biggest

[feral river]

and the whole EU was 4,233,262 km2

[grave temple]

and its number 7

area doesnt equal developpment

[feral river]

like double the EU is still smaller than US and China.

but their economic is amazing

[fringe coyote]

the area is meaningless

the conclusion we can draw from here

[feral river]

HDI is related to areas so I mentioned the area.

[grave temple]

HDI isnt

its human developpment index

[limpid whale]

what time is it from where you type?

spain 21:33

[gaunt bronze]

Im pretty sure the U.S. is a lot more developed than China

maybe the gap isnt as big on a technological level anymore but there's still a big human development gap

[grave kestrel]

So long chat

can I join?

💀

[zinc stratus]

I disagree.

As an American myself, I can confidently say that you are, completely, wrong.

[jolly agate]

they have beat the hell out of starvation

[gaunt bronze]

i mean ig they're the best when it comes to extremes

But they still have tonnes of problems

[grave kestrel]

Indeed

[grave kestrel]

Indeed

[zinc stratus]

homelessness, poverty, inflation, lack of jobs because of robots, other sheisse that I dont know because I dont watch the news or anything like that.

[gaunt bronze]

best military, best technology, best currency, best universities, etc.

lack of equity or equality, mismanaged government services, best gun shooters (i think there's 2 mass shootings every month) , bad healthcare system (even though it is the most advanced i think), drug addiction, etc.

[gaunt bronze]

The range between things in the U.S. is so crazy

on one hand you have the richest ppl in the world, and on the other hand, you have extremely poor desperate ppl

[muted summit]

Hi @gaunt bronze

[gaunt bronze]

PPL DYING bc they cant buy their medicine or going broke bc they dont have insurance

[muted summit]

U're good!!

[zinc stratus]

kids that love to bring their "nerf" guns to school and shoot other kids with their "nerf" guns.

[gaunt bronze]

😭 I have cousins in the U.S. and they say when they visited chicago they saw KIDS WITH GUNS IN THEIR POCKET

[muted summit]

can you help me find a network that develops mobile applications based on flutter technology? if so your service would be more favorable to me

[gaunt bronze]

what's flutter technology??

[zinc stratus]

yeah I heard this story once, that kids in alaska have to bring guns to and from school to defend themselves from giant eagles or some sheisse that will pick them up and fly away with them.

[gaunt bronze]

Bald eagles harpy eagles

[muted summit]

It is a technology designed with the aim of creating os and android mobile applications at the same time

[gaunt bronze]

Dont the ppl in the us who like guns use the 5th amendment or something to defend their collection of 100 guns 💃

[gaunt bronze]

I dont think I'd be much help Srry

[zinc stratus]

its the 2nd amendment

the right to bear arms

[muted summit]

Ah no problem

[zinc stratus]

aka the right to have and use guns

by use i mean use in self defense

also

[muted summit]

Where are U from?

[zinc stratus]

by the people in the US that like guns do you mean everyone in the US

[gaunt bronze]

basically everyone

if the U.S. military somehow lost

they'd have to deal with the people itself 😭

But omg that amendment is so crazyy

I dont think ppl need to own 80 guns and have 30 barrels of ammos

Or a gatling gun for 'self defence' 🙄

[zinc stratus]

well you know

who knows

maybe someday the zombie apocalypse or the purge will happen

or another country cough- Russia, demolishes the US military and the other country cough- Russia, is right on your doorstep with 5 tanks

[gaunt bronze]

The U.S. has the most powerful military cough

If it had no nukes i think we all know what the americans would do 🥰

[gaunt bronze]

Maybe but the cost of lives bc of gun violence is so much

tbh Americans themselves bc of guns r damaging themselves more than Russia is

[glad patio]

True!

[thorny steeple]

There's so many issues in regulating gun laws in the US Though, Most people want guns for protection / hunting

[gaunt bronze]

Unfortunately these policies r a gateway for gun violence

My civics teacher made a good analogy

Sure a F1 driver could handle a car easily at 200 km/h on the freeway

But that doesn’t mean they should be allowed to do that

Tbh it’s just so depressing 😭

[thorny steeple]

Oh, i wasn't removing that as problem. I was just pointing out what is known. Firstly, owning a gun is legal under the Second Ammendment & any american citizen can exercise that law. Most people Justify it as a "Safety" concern. This in a way may also indicate a level of distrust & instability with the law enforcement.

For example, although guns are banned in the country i live in , some parts of it do keep one illegally and this comes out as a "safety concern" as well. I cannot determine if it's a direct causation. But it seems correlated in a way. By that i mean, I don't know if it's an excuse to own a gun or a genuine concern due to improper law enforcement.

[feral river]

The people have bunch of guns can never face the modern largest systemic most powerful military in the world.

And US’s society is fulfilling the division.

[feral river]

yeah that's true.

that's what exactly they said, "In god we trust"

they can use that justify whatever they want to do in that century.

[thorny steeple]

श्री राम, जय राम, जय जय राम!!

[rich ore]

Speak with me i would like to progress in English

[agile nest]

all started from Khruschev's reforms in the 1960s

[warped scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-tyson-lol-lmao-lmfao-gif-9445278

[formal scaffold]

you can edit the vedio

add your recording to a vedio of 5 people on zoom

[deft lake]

💀 what's in serious chat

[wooden totem]

[obtuse perch]

@manic juniper

[manic juniper]

There isn't anything serious about Islam

[obtuse perch]

Lets put islam away and lets talk about how did we created

[obtuse perch]

I believe that someone created us, as we cannot come from nothing do you believe in the theory of evolution?

[manic juniper]

No I don't believe it, I know it which is different

It isn't the same as religion at all

[obtuse perch]

Do you know the meaning of the saying: I think si im exist?

[manic juniper]

?

I think I exist? I don't get what you're trying to say

[cerulean ore]

Guys why didn't you invite me in this oh so interesting conversation

[obtuse perch]

Socrates famous saying yk this philosopher? @manic juniper

[manic juniper]

But it isn't interesting unless you're being sarcastic

[manic juniper]

Yes

[obtuse perch]

Yk what is means

[manic juniper]

No, you seem to be talking about René Descartes more than Socrates

[obtuse perch]

Mb mn i always forgot the name

[obtuse perch]

What I want to say is that if we abandon the senses and sit in a dark place and start thinking only with your mind without using the senses and ask who created me, I did not create myself, then there is someone who created me and also this person who created me must have a creator and you will still think. This is how infinity follows, unless you say that there will be a person who created me and is able to create himself aka the god I hope you try this yourself

[bleak osprey]

well said chad

[manic juniper]

That makes no sense, if God created himself he didn't always exist

And senses don't tell you anything about the divine, because they evolved to interact with the natural world, not the supernatural

[obtuse perch]

The divine entity does not apply to laws, and is not affected by time and place. He created them in the first place

[bleak osprey]

we don’t know whether he created himself or not
we believe that god has no creator. he as always existed, and is the only entity that will continue to do so forever. This is stated so in the scriptures, multiple times. I cannot give you references off the top of my head, but I’m sure a simple google search will provide many.

[manic juniper]

If God created himself he didn't always exist, unless you refer to a specific physical instance of him

[manic juniper]

Yeah I do believe She doesn't have a creator either, but it makes no sense to say She created HerSelf

[jolly agate]

It's "I think so I must exist"

[bleak osprey]

those kinds of things are beyond our comprehension and knowledge so if don’t have a clear hypothesis don’t speak, it’s good to remain silent

[manic juniper]

The original quote was more along the lines of "I think, therefore I exist"

[bleak osprey]

i’m sorry.
why are you referring the god with gender attributes?

[manic juniper]

She has no gender attributes in my native language

Hän is used as pronoun, and hän has no gender

[bleak osprey]

so you can call her ”he” also?

[jolly agate]

true

[manic juniper]

No, I just prefer to use that for my deity in English

Since most other people seem to use "he"

[bleak osprey]

can i ask you what your beliefs

i mean religion?

[obtuse perch]

God is not a physical thing that we cannot reach with the senses and the example I have given is just to tell you that there are ways to reach God with the mind. As for assuming its non-existence, it is illogical, and because God is the one who created existence, this means that He existed before existence.

[jolly agate]

You cant be sure of it.

[manic juniper]

KŚËME

[manic juniper]

God can be physical lol, if it's omnipotent then it can be physical. There isn't a thing it isn't capable of assuming it's real

[bleak osprey]

tbh i never heard of it

[obtuse perch]

Cant be 100% but its the must more logical than we came from chaos

[manic juniper]

It's a religion from Siberia so not many people know it or are members of it

[jolly agate]

Why care if he exist or not

live your with morals and dignity

if he exited he will reward you

if he does not you will simply became matter and energy

[manic juniper]

Well said, besides it's better to focus on our world and reality rather than that of supernatural beings regardless if they're real or not

[bleak osprey]

oh that’s new knowledge for me thank you

[obtuse perch]

What I mean is that you cannot know what god is but yhis does not deny god existence

[bleak osprey]

this why god gave the way to follow

[jolly agate]

which god

[manic juniper]

You can, there is nothing that hints at it from an empirical level so it cannot be proved naturally

[jolly agate]

we have 1000s of them

[bleak osprey]

doesn’t it matter?

[jolly agate]

all their teaching contridects each other

[jolly agate]

it does

be specific

[manic juniper]

It does, some of them would be considered criminals or evil

[jolly agate]

if you talking about god

[obtuse perch]

You say this, but other atheists do the opposite. They don't think the same way. Since there is no punishment for my actions in my life, why should I be nice? A good example is Lipstein's list.

[bleak osprey]

i have only one he says us through a prophet that
“He is Allah, the One and Only. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto him.”

[manic juniper]

Conflating all atheists to a simple list of powerful people is quite prejudiced

[jolly agate]

there may be some athesists but why are lableing the whole group based on things or the action some have said or done

[jolly agate]

but can disprove the other religion

[obtuse perch]

Here we are talking about a person who created everything, including time and space. It is impossible to achieve anything no matter how advanced science is

[jolly agate]

like hindusiam

[manic juniper]

Imagine if they did the same with religious people, they could use terrorists or Crusaders as an example of bad religious people

[bleak osprey]

remember that individuals' actions don't always reflect the teachings of a whole religion or community

[manic juniper]

"Person"?

[jolly agate]

also

[bleak osprey]

do you mind elaborate?

[jolly agate]

its self-explanatory

can you disprove the other religions are flase and only your religion is true

[obtuse perch]

Do not underestimate the value of the names on the list by calling them simple. You know that I am not saying all, but rather the most. Also, aren’t most of those who investigate are atheists? But most of those who use drugs are not atheists.

[cerulean ore]

Y'all can elaborate all you want but it isn't going to change your perspective on it. So arguing and debating about this will lead to nowhere lol

[manic juniper]

? People in power are very few and don't necessarily represent the lower classes

[jolly agate]

Anyone can assert the correctness in his religion while simultaneously find it hard to disprove the religion of others

[cerulean ore]

Who told you that? Lmao

[bleak osprey]

of course! but i have stopped debating because it’s not worth the time.
it only leads to more disapproval and ignorance

[cerulean ore]

From both sides.

[bleak osprey]

well said brother

[obtuse perch]

I did not say everyone but the majority

[jolly agate]

Why does it matter if you beleave in god or not.

[manic juniper]

The majority lol, my southern neighbours are mostly atheists and they are just like us, they are not bad people at all. Quite the opposite in fact, and they're hundreds of thousands

[cerulean ore]

It literally doesn't but yk in Islam they're told to enforce their beliefs on non-believers. So there's that.

[jolly agate]

their actions are bullsit

[cerulean ore]

I mean yeah kinda but from their pov, they're just doing the god's work

[bleak osprey]

lol where did you get that

[cerulean ore]

I'm ex-muslim

[jolly agate]

did allha told them to that

[cerulean ore]

The gold himself

[livid kettle]

Says who?? Muslims aren't told to enforce their belifs on non muslims

[jolly agate]

So they do that by self choice

[livid kettle]

We r told to convey the message,we tell abt it,whether u belive or not thats ur choice

[cerulean ore]

You should read this again kassy

[bleak osprey]

have you ever read the quran?

[bleak osprey]

man it’s fake. don’t buy that. i will provide you clear claim against it with quran

[jolly agate]

That was a question

not that I believe anything that I have seen here

[livid kettle]

He didn't say anything wrong
There is no "enforce " in his argumant

[bleak osprey]

just read verse 256 from surah al baqara. it’s clearly says that ”Do not force anyone to become Muslim, for Islam is plain and clear, and its proofs and evidence are plain and clear. Therefore, there is no need to force anyone to embrace Islam.”

[jolly agate]

I dont mind that, But what about the people who trys to disprove other religion, in sake for their own religion

[cerulean ore]

And what about when another person doesn't want to hear it?? People are here having conversations about Islam with literally atheists non-stop. What are they trying to do? Are they trying to share the message of the god? But atheists have reverted from that so they wouldn't want to hear believers'argument anyway?

[bleak osprey]

you check it yourself

[cerulean ore]

Why are we still having this conversation

[livid kettle]

Yes! No enforcing,just inviting if they accept or not its their chouce

[bleak osprey]

why can’t we. if you don’t want to you can leave ( no offence ) we are hear to friendly discussion

[obtuse perch]

@manic juniper @jolly agate You are only focusing on part of what I said and ignoring the other things. In short, atheists do not believe in anything after death, so they are selfish. They do not care about others as much as they care about their happiness, because they believe that they will live only once, and the surprising thing is that after death they will find the inevitable punishment, so I hope that you will not fix one. Among them is a person who only thinks about himself, or your kindness may lead you to commit suicide one day. I hope that this day does not arrive when you hate life. Do not forget that we are human beings. The instinct was created in us that there is a God. No matter how much you try to escape from this truth, your life will be miserable.

[jolly agate]

yoh still here

[cerulean ore]

There's nothing friendly about it and you know that as well

[jolly agate]

thought you left never mind

let me read

[bleak osprey]

hmm that’s your point nvm

[cerulean ore]

You guys were on the verge of getting muted

[manic juniper]

That's a gross generalisation, no they don't only care about themselves, they still have families, there are some countries that are majority atheist and they work rather well if not better than most other countries

[formal scaffold]

I mean even prophets were doing that in some sense: " why are you worshiping idoles that can't benefit you nor benefit themselves besides god?"

[livid kettle]

Who r these ppl
Brother,a real muslim doesn't disrespect others religions or identities,it's part of our religion to respect others
Yes we have to convey the message and awarness but not enforce others to accept
A capable one will surly do it in a convincing way that can't be arguable

[cerulean ore]

No let's just say for the sake of argument that all the atheists are selfish af.

[livid kettle]

If u don't want to hear anything say ' i don't want to know abt your religion thank u' and bye
Easy why make it hard make claims of ur own

[jolly agate]

Bunch of flows

I will reply later

cant be bother right now

[manic juniper]

Quite sad when people actually believe that 😔

[jolly agate]

So anyone who trys to disprove other religion isnt the true muslim you say?

[bleak osprey]

religious or not humans are greedy icl (not everyone)

[jolly agate]

Everyone,

[obtuse perch]

They are, and history shows this, and I have explained the reasons

[jolly agate]

we can suppres it the greed

[manic juniper]

Not that much, most people in my country aren't greedy and they enjoy peace and minding their business

[bleak osprey]

lol. you can’t say that.

[manic juniper]

History also depicts members of world religions as murderous zealots

[jolly agate]

Every one is greedy for happiness

[bleak osprey]

good to hear that

[cerulean ore]

Girl go away, you didn't even make a point anyway and I bet you didn't even read my statement. Probably you did but you definitely didn't understand the half of it

[manic juniper]

Now I can believe that as well if you want to, since it also relates to the history of the region where I'm from

[manic juniper]

It's normal, we evolved like that out of self preservation

[jolly agate]

We born with this thing of wanting more. obviously we can supress it. but if we let ouerselfs go free we are greedy to our core

[formal scaffold]

I don't believe selfishness has to do with this, bc even relegious people are selfish, they please god for their own salvation first.

I'm quiet the selfish fella myself

[obtuse perch]

I do not care about other religions, I only talk about my religion, Islam Look for how Muslims dealt with wars, or just look at how Hamas dealt with hostages... THE DIFFERENCE IS KINDA CLEAR

[formal scaffold]

I'd never go t o hell for someone else let me tell you that

[bleak osprey]

yeah you’re right
allah says in the quran he created humans between angels and animals
it means angels always worship allah.
animals always seek to achieve their desires
that means we have angel’s and animal’s attributes

[formal scaffold]

Animals, rocks, objects glorifies god in day and night

[manic juniper]

I doubt Islam spread peacefully if that's what you're trying to say, any religion that suppresses the native beliefs didn't spread peacefully for sure. Religions tend to maintain some degree of native influence when they spread more organically rather than being enforced. Christianity did this, no reasons to believe Islam didn't either

Also why are you using political entities as example? Isn't Saudi Arabia at war with Yemen?

A country that literally has the Quran as Constitution, it's a very bad example of religion

[formal scaffold]

there's none

[obtuse perch]

Pleasing God does not harm others in Islam. Does charity harm you? Does prayer harm you? Does fasting harm you?

[formal scaffold]

I agree

[cerulean ore]

It's actually quite reasonable because if non-religious people can live fulfilling lives without any need for religion whatsoever, it demonstrates that religion is unnecessary

Thiests just seem not to take the facts very well

[manic juniper]

Apostasy, impiety and blasphemy laws probably existed/exist for that reason

[bleak osprey]

yeah. but they don’t have accountability for their actions just like humans

[obtuse perch]

Modern Saudi Arabia does not practice any kind of islam but I am get you because you do not know anything about the meaning of Islam, but as an example, were the Arabs not happier with the rule of the Muslims? Look at the history books to find out.

[manic juniper]

We don't see animals like that in my religion, especially since it's well known and documented that they possess subjectivity and aren't just mindless drones, they can take decisions and make judgements just like us

[formal scaffold]

Just check the history for the ancient kingdom of islam, the bad and the good pov so you can have a general look, cause you won't find it rn

[bleak osprey]

by any chance are you revert? just curious

[formal scaffold]

Nope

[manic juniper]

It may have been an improvement to the Arabs but it isn't necessarily an improvement for everybody else, that's just like the USSR forcing socialism on all its neighbouring countries through conquest or heavy political influence, people need to figure out on their own

[manic juniper]

Which one? The caliphates?

Rashidun, Umayyad and the other one

[formal scaffold]

yes

[jolly agate]

First things first: how is not believeing anything after death is selffish. like whers is the logic at.

second thing Everyone is selfish, If I put your family and a stranger whom you will never met. and put them in life or death situation, majority will pick their family over some random whom they never met. Even people who believe in god can selfish who ignore that.

Third how do you know that there is an inevitable punishment for those people, Have you seen it with your own eyes, or you are only saying things that written in a book. What if Their isnt actually anything after death. You cant imagin becuase you are forced to belive that there is something after death.

forth, What is wrong about only caring for your self, Why would Those People even help others, they are not obligated to help, they didnt put them in that situation. And if they did decied to help they get some extra moral credits.

Fifth Why would your life be misrable even if you dont belive in god, Like i said before " if you live with morals and dignity, help others, live a good life, no cares if you believe in god or not. I assure you even god does not care when you a good like, What matter is how you live it.

[manic juniper]

They were sorta gray, somewhat better than their European counterparts but I wouldn't wish to live there unless I was a Muslim

[formal scaffold]

what's your relegion?

[cerulean ore]

Let me guess his reply to your argument : The Quran says so.

[obtuse perch]

mf im lazy to read all this

[manic juniper]

KŚËME

[jolly agate]

I dont care.

[obtuse perch]

ill read dw

[jolly agate]

You had flows

[obtuse perch]

U see ur not kind as u act

[bleak osprey]

third. how do you know who created your phone?

four. there’s nothing wrong with that as long as you have good morals and principles

five. what’s the purpose of life?

[cerulean ore]

Do you not go to school?? Lmao

[manic juniper]

Phones must've been assembled by humans or our machinery since phones naturally existing and spawning in the wild isn't documented

[formal scaffold]

is this turkish for something?

[cerulean ore]

Duh

[bleak osprey]

no. hehe

[manic juniper]

Also the purpose of life is to spread itself, at least that's their goals

[jolly agate]

We know who made those we can google them, but can you google whats after death.

[manic juniper]

It's Komijas-Yaran

A minority language in Russia

[jolly agate]

Its different for everyone

[bleak osprey]

oh so human’s are it’s creator and how do you know humans created them

[jolly agate]

Dont ask a bord question like that

[formal scaffold]

what's it name in english? the relegion

[manic juniper]

I don't know if there is any, Komi or Nenet shamanism maybe? Komi-Yaran religion/shamanism idk

[jolly agate]

I dont deny the existence of creator.

[bleak osprey]

so you believe in the data that google provided to you right?

[formal scaffold]

is it kholdunisme?

[manic juniper]

I don't know how to type it in Cyrillic even since my family uses the Latin alphabet over it

[jolly agate]

not always

[jolly agate]

Google can be wrong

[manic juniper]

No

[jolly agate]

its not 100 right all the time

but it can give some reliable information

[formal scaffold]

can you summarise it's major beliefs and practices?

[bleak osprey]

sorry if it makes you uncomfortable may i know what’s wrong with it

[formal scaffold]

look what u got me searching for

[jolly agate]

I'am not kind Becuae I said what I felt like, Or you not used to it

[bleak osprey]

thank you mate you have proved my point. just like that god revealed a Scripture called quran.

[jolly agate]

Because the meaning of life is different for everyone. you have to ask everyone to their meaning of life, and some dont even know, for some it constantly changing.

[jolly agate]

there is a problem with that

[jolly agate]

there are more scripture like

bhavat gita

or bible

suttas (Pali) or sutras

[bleak osprey]

again you proved my point. god has already gave us The way of life

[manic juniper]

There are many, although I don't know all of them since I live far from my family members that are part of that religion. There are rituals and festivities that are usually related to the seasons or events of life, there are principles that aren't enforced but they are taught because it's assumed that they encourage a better way of life and an easier pursuit of innocent happiness, stuff like pursuing knowledge of life and not oppressing it, learning to communicate with other beings and establish bonds or respect boundaries, and both embracing and despising ignorance. Embrace ignorance because we'll always be such, but despise wallowing in it because you must always seek to know more about the world and others

[cerulean ore]

Those are just as fallible as the words of atheists to muslims.

[manic juniper]

There is also some mythology or legendarium around it, poetry

[jolly agate]

and what is it?

[bleak osprey]

can you i talk to you some other time. unfortunately i want to go.

[manic juniper]

Lol that's a character from an anime, I know her. I had people reference her because she is called like our ethnic group (it's Komi in English or Russian)

The native name is Komijas

[formal scaffold]

so in summary, freedom of will guided by morality

i'd love to know more but you don't seem well knowledgeable or experienced in it

[bleak osprey]

send me a request
and ty i appreciate your compatibility

[jolly agate]

God have gave us 8 billion ways

[jolly agate]

its pending

[bleak osprey]

talk to you later. i really want to go now

[manic juniper]

Not much, I try to live according to those principles but it isn't very difficult when my entire way of life seems to align perfectly with it. I know about some festivities and celebrations because we sometimes reunite to have them

[formal scaffold]

do you make offerings? food or materials?

[jolly agate]

laters

[bleak osprey]

tc

[manic juniper]

People that still live the traditional lifestyle avoid hunting more than necessary and learn to understand animals better, and not hunt down those that are lower in numbers. Sometimes they may even go out of their way to help some of them

[formal scaffold]

that's honnorable of them

[manic juniper]

One of the offerings we do is during the winter solstice, there is the festival of the creation (although "creation" has a different meaning here) of the universe of Ydžyd En

It's a festival that goes on until new year more or less, a dead essicated log is burned to symbolise the death of the universe, and a new tree of the same kind is planted months later to celebrate its rebirth. It's supposed to symbolise the sturdiness and renewing nature of life

[formal scaffold]

do you pray or wish to "Komi-Zyrian"? is there some chants to glorify them?

[manic juniper]

Komi-Zyrian is the name of the language, there are many prayers and poetry but I don't remember them by memory, my aunts and uncles do and some of my cousins as well, I try to repeat after them

[formal scaffold]

doesn't 'komi-Zyrian' mean big father?

[manic juniper]

The language is pluricentric and quite diverse, our dialect is influenced by nearby languages in the northeast. I don't know if it classifies as Komi-Zyrian still or something else, it's hard to say

[manic juniper]

No, komi means person

Zyrian is like a subclassification, but I don't know what's the meaning of it. It's mostly used by ethnic Russians

[formal scaffold]

thanks for the info quiet moderate but valuable

[manic juniper]

It's kinda like German, Spanish or Arabic if you are searching for an equivalent. You have German spoken by Germans, Austrians, Swiss people... But it's supposed to be the same language. Although in the case of our language it's complicated and we don't know ourselves, most linguist think there are two main varieties

[formal scaffold]

no I was speaking about the whole info part, I understand, just thinking u for giving me a general idea about that religion I was quite curious

[manic juniper]

It's understandable

[formal scaffold]

when asking about a religion I'd like it more if someone who practicing tells me about it, since you know if it's someone else, they might shadow a lot of facts

you can ask me about islam all you want but I won't venture to tell people about christianity and stuff you catch my drift?

[manic juniper]

Yes of course, they might depict it differently, some people I talked to expressed similarities with Jainism but I'm not very familiar with it. I know that respecting other living beings is a principle of it, so it's quite accurate. We don't see animals as superior or inferior to us

[manic juniper]

Yes

Regardless I tend to separate political entities from the religion they claim to practice or enforce, I've read extensively about Christianity and I know that the way it spread and was enforced was quite anti-Christian as a whole

Despite it being endorsed by the Pope or other authoritative figures in the religion

[formal scaffold]

I mean religion can be a tool for destruction

[manic juniper]

It often was at least in relatively recent times, it was easily weaponised

[formal scaffold]

I agree and see your point

I mean in somalie they apply islamic the rule to cut hands while not providing the conditions for it for example that's why I claimed there's no true islamic ruling nowadays

I mean even before it wasn't that stable

but knowing all that I'd still opt for a true islamic ruling for the sole puropse to obey god, under an islamic ruling I can practice islam better

which is impossible rn without shedding blood therefore impossible

[manic juniper]

There isn't no, I was saying that some countries do have the Quran as their Constitution, not that they're following it strictly

It's more to show that they are kinda hypocritical and doing so out of political approval

[formal scaffold]

I know

I was just saying without conditions it'll produce an opposite effect

islamic rules and sharia aren't perfect until applied combined

[manic juniper]

I like living in secular countries because, at least here, I'm allowed full freedom of practice and other people are just as free as I am with theirs, and there isn't one that is sponsored by the government (although it could be better in this field)

[thorny steeple]

Usually when I have a discussion with an atheist about the fact of God's existence, it begins with a response to his/her very claim that God doesn't exist. I don't know any smart atheist who would make a positive claim as such, 'cause positive claims put the burden of proof upon the claimant, and it's impossible to disprove the existence of God, especially when many atheists don't even know the definition, so they don't even know what they are talking about. The only rational stance for an atheist is to remain agnostic, i.e., says I don't know.

[formal scaffold]

I understand, I also want to be practice islam freely, but even in "Islamic" countries it's hard to do

[thorny steeple]

So to summarize, most Muslims don't push their belief on atheists who are not seeking the truth.
It's usually the atheists who arrogantly make claims about the non-existence of God and later get so angry and irrational when an educated Muslim shows them their size.

[cerulean ore]

Destiny is pretty good at articulating his stance

[formal scaffold]

that's what beautiful about this world, it's the diversity, everyone get at least somehow smth close to where he want to be

[feral river]

holy crap guys gods again ?

[warped scroll]

As always

[formal scaffold]

oh no it's china again -_-

[feral river]

should I say something about gods LMAO

[warped scroll]

No

[manic juniper]

Which one is your favourite?

[feral river]

I'm kidding I was busy right now see you guys 🤣

[formal scaffold]

china is the greatest country bro no need to post 5000 paragraphs as long as the china wall in here lol

[feral river]

🤣 no I has never say that

[thorny steeple]

If you're referring to my message, it's a response to someone who replied to me. I did not start this discussion, as usual. 😂

[feral river]

anyways have fun guys

[warped scroll]

It'll be your loss

[formal scaffold]

taiwan numba 1

[feral river]

maybe but there will be always talking about gods so it's not that loss 🤣

bye

[warped scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/china-skala-gif-23754365

[warped scroll]

Okay bye Have a great time

[thorny steeple]

Hi intellectuals

[warped scroll]

Hi dude

https://tenor.com/view/wise-gif-5472200

[thorny steeple]

U look good supporter of Palestine nice to meet you brother

[warped scroll]

Thanks Nice to meet you too We already met in Kurdish channel btw

[thorny steeple]

Oh nice

Where are u from

[warped scroll]

North Iraq ( Kurdistan)

[thorny steeple]

Salimi? Or Erbil?

[warped scroll]

And you're from India

[thorny steeple]

Yaa u r correct 💯.

[warped scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[thorny steeple]

How u know?

[warped scroll]

🤭

You said it before

[thorny steeple]

Where u live in kurdistan? Salimi or Erbil?

[warped scroll]

Oh My bad I live in Turkey

[thorny steeple]

Oh so u speak kurmanji or sohrani?

[warped scroll]

Kurmanji

[thorny steeple]

Oh grt

[warped scroll]

We should speak in Kurdish channel if you wanna keep chit chatting

[thorny steeple]

Hm

[thorny steeple]

My pleasure
Kurdish>> English

[warped scroll]

We can speak English there as well No matter which one is better I only care my religion When we no one care what we were So don't care so much like this things

[thorny steeple]

Hm, nice

[thorny steeple]

Muslim?

[warped scroll]

Yes I am Alhamdulillah

[thorny steeple]

Amin

[thorny steeple]

Mashallah,nice to meet you brother

[warped scroll]

Nice to meet you too

[thorny steeple]

U support kurd independence?

[warped scroll]

Kurds are already independent Wdym?

[thorny steeple]

I mean the notion of having seperate kurd nation

[warped scroll]

I'm okay with that I accept whatever Allah gives us No matter bad or good This world is temporary So do my best and keep living peacefully

[thorny steeple]

Nice thought

[feral river]

Kurds doesn't have their own nation yet. and they tried to independent from Turkey but all failed.

and about gaza thing, I don't care that much personally and both sides just against each other by their measures and pursuing what they wants in this war.

Hamas represent the Palestinians and just wants to take more territory from Israel.

Israel represent the Jews and just wants to eliminate national threat, expand Israel's territory and clear enemies.

[warped scroll]

What's north Iraq?
Rest of them Who asked?

[feral river]

Iraqi Civil War 🤣

but still separation forces

[warped scroll]

Officially it's region Idc war There is always war

[feral river]

exactly.

[warped scroll]

Chinese?

Okay Cool

Great Keep talking dude No matter correct or wrong

[thorny steeple]

Israel doesn't represnt jews , it represents zionism and terrorism , they kill everybody even jews

i don't think it's okay to murder children in Judaism

[feral river]

if you gonna say that then you are denying the truth because they indeed represent the Jews and they are the most Jewish country ever.

about terrorism, there is no such clue that what kind of activity can be considered as terror.

I was not talking that they didn't do something terrible to Palestinian but I have to say I respect the truth

not the biases.

[feral river]

It's clearly not the point, the point of who is getting murdered is so damn normal in a war.

every war has civilian causalties.

[thorny steeple]

you cann't compare between hamas and Israel , Israel is Occupation , hamas is a resistance movement

[feral river]

but resistance movement do actually against other country and their people.

Occupation is normal.

war is about occupation.

that's why the winner is important

I was saying that I'm talking the truth not the biases on Palestine and Israel.

so it's pointless to say one side is evil, one side is right. that's not point at all actually you can't just say they did something terrible so give a conclusion that they are evil.

it's just their actions and they fight for themselves, for living, for space, and for resources.

resistance != right and suppresses != right. there is no actually right/wrong thing happening right now.

only the rule, the absolute power choose which side is right.

because the other side will be disappeared from this map.

that's what happening right now they are taking huge progress on this war.

and can Palestinian fight them back ? I think there is a little chance.

if other forces from another country like Hezbollah started invasion on Israel, maybe they are forced to withdraw from Gaza

[pastel jetty]

anyone come here for ram mandir debate i am from hindu side ?

[thorny steeple]

by invading other's countries , Israel has no right to exist in first place , so what are they defending , ur right , also , it's all illegal but this is not war , this is genocide , killing children and inncents and bombing hospitals and schools , killing Palestinians , since 1948

[thorny steeple]

how come , don't just randomly say stuff

[feral river]

but why they exist ? because the oppoents were kicked ass by Israel.

[pastel jetty]

so we are brother

[feral river]

that's easy.

it's like you are being kicked ass so you lose your territory for sure.

[pastel jetty]

jai shree ram har har mahadev

[feral river]

that's how war works.

yeah they are opponents

the winner is the right side because the loser will be wiped out from this map

but guess who is the winner

that's what I think and that's what it happening right now

[thorny steeple]

it's not oppoents , it's normal ppl like you , were living peacefully , ppl from deffirent riligeons , zionists killed them, never heared of alnakba ?

[feral river]

that's geopolitics

not that easy like you said

every country has their different interest in this world.

and they indeed start war for their interest.

no doubt for that.

[thorny steeple]

yeah right kids and schools against IOF , who's gonna win..

[thorny steeple]

yo! let's have a discussion?

[feral river]

you against the ruler forces of course you get destroyed no matter who you are

who care you are a kid you against their forces

they indeed threat them no matter who you are

[thorny steeple]

I am a hindu & i am against the ayodhya dispute & eventual creation of ram mandir

[thorny steeple]

how could a kid even have an opinion ? if it's ur kid , would you say the same thing ?

[thorny steeple]

Literally all humans who have basic moral values.

[feral river]

wait for a second I have to say, there will be a reason that they did something like this

and the reason is they don't like their rule.

and they started to fight for themselve against their rule.

so they get destroyed for sure.

it's not about who you are, it's about what did you do.

it's not like you are a kid so you can do anything you want

[thorny steeple]

I think the first problem is quite obvious. For a government to establish & spend so much into a religious establishment just plays so well into their propaganda

[feral river]

kid is not the reason that you can do something you like and other's hate

[feral river]

that's what you think I have to say.

and that's not what we think in here. even others.

[thorny steeple]

if u can't face the killer , just blame the victim

Hindu Unification & A lot Cognitive Distortions to undermine & split seems like the main motivation

[feral river]

because you get killed by against them ?

[thorny steeple]

And It's working

[feral river]

I think there is no doubt if I against our local police I will get instantly destroyed for sure.

and you too

[thorny steeple]

in my college, we had at least thousands of students who were just in formals today (hindu) & just kept screaming religious chants? Doesn't it give off a bad impression?

yea, and it was loud enough to be heard a few kms away

thousands of children

[feral river]

well we don't have that religion division problem in China

we are all unity as Chinese one identity.

others get destroyed

[thorny steeple]

that's because of the chinese unification & CCP. You had various beliefs lke taoism, confusicianism daoism?

[feral river]

yeah but we have that separation of church and state

[thorny steeple]

Oh yea what point were we talking about?

[feral river]

so that can't influence us towards separation.

[thorny steeple]

yep

[feral river]

that policy was genius I have to say

[thorny steeple]

yea sort of, i've researched a bit. and the disputes were from around 1600s

[feral river]

Modi first!

Modi is really damn good for India!

[thorny steeple]

They've definitely won the north. The south though, has a different opinion as always

[thorny steeple]

Uh, i disagree. but everyone is crap here

[thorny steeple]

isn't that enough , it's not just people getting killed because they're in war , it's wiping a whole nation from exictence , i donnow whats ur point but if ur seeing what's happening in Gaza and still thinking it's just a fight , ig nothing will make u see what's actually happening , Israel is occupation , the last occupation the in fucking world , they've done every horrible thing , they stole our homes our land our traditions and everything , how am i not supposed to hate them ?

[feral river]

you can hate them I respect you, and I think it's good for you to fight against them but we all know what is happening in there so not gonna denying the truth, and the truth is they are going to win.

[thorny steeple]

Yuh, i feel this just increases the gap between the muslims, christians & hindus and well This has a direct implication of India becoming a hindu country?

And that's not a healthy view imo

[feral river]

and I actually know they kill civilians, they strike your city and they stole your stuff. it's normal because it's war.

every war has civilian causalties, property damages, and stolen activities

it's just too normal

holy crap well well well.

I don't think India is going to be a hindus nation

I guess ?

maybe

the government of Taiwan also thinks they can independent.

but when they declared independence for that day, is the day of Chinese unification.

that's what our leaders say.

yeah completely different.

[thorny steeple]

No

Hindus are conservative

[thorny steeple]

we're not living in the wood , see, it's not the stronger is gonna win , God stands with us , we're people with faith , who believe that we'regonna win , and get our land back , no occupation remain forever , if u don't want it from a riligious side , just look at history , victory comes with resisting and fighting , and i'm not saying any of this cuz i think u or anybody will make us win , no , just trying to spread the truth . and thak you ,

comp sci

India 🗣️ 🔥

South of India, I don't wish to reveal my identity

[feral river]

the physical world is ruled by physical

not your belief.

good luck bro

[thorny steeple]

we know that , but till when , how many innocents should be murdered , how many children does Israel need to kill so that it's enough for them , they're just criminals , watch altantora movie that they made , maybe you'd understand what i mean

[thorny steeple]

lol another topic , maybe later

[feral river]

I clearly know what you are talking about, but it's toooooo normal in a war.

I was interested in the winner

[plucky violet]

naah I don't think so
among all religions
i found Hinduism, Shinto,and bhudhhism are least conservative
by religion if you're referring people who are conservative because of cultural reason it's different points like
Islam is most conservative
Judaism second
orthodox Christianity
catholic Christianity
Jainism

[plucky violet]

it's impossible because of Hindus
the reason I found why in India Hindus are being so selfish and hating only Abrahamic faith
first is because of past o
second is their previous govt ignoring the mass while focusing on minorities
like I heard the minorities have more rights then majority it means a average Muslim and Christian have more rights then a Hindu person
3 - Islam and Christianity is fastest growing religion which is spreading in weird way
if you look at the people who are changing religion actually aren't following the religion
and most of people are either illiterate, tribal people or poor

[thorny steeple]

I do have to remind you that, conservatism is an ideology. It's not the core principle. Why be conservative? well India is probably the only country with the largest Hindu population & is a minority everywhere else. hence indians are far more "conservative" here because they don't want to shift too far away from their ideology.

[manic juniper]

Nepal?

[plucky violet]

250+ million Muslim second because Muslim population in the world is minority

WoW

[feral river]

oh what about 1.4 bil Chinese ?

do you even know what is 1bil ?

[plucky violet]

yeh conservatism is ideology but it can't be defined by religion but if you look which religion have lot of law's regarding what's wrong and right
and talk about heaven and punishment
usually become more conservative but again religion cannot be define conservatism
some religion have more conservative people then others
like why countries with majority Muslim is called Islamic country they also have their Sharia law
except turkey there isn't single Muslim country which doesn't have Islamic law's
countries with majority of Christian population is always Christian country
even china biggest religion is atheism still some people refer them as buddhist country

[feral river]

and how it can be a single country ?

well we don't give a fuck to any ideology possible to divide the Chinese nation.

[plucky violet]

well those 1.4 billion Chinese live in India?

[feral river]

they are living in China of course

religion is a different type of ideology.

[plucky violet]

religion is ideology is design by personal and social view point

[feral river]

<@&852814479569059840> still no one comes ?

[static pivot]

Hello

No racism bud

[feral river]

see what did he say and

[thorny steeple]

💀

[static pivot]

@plucky violet and dont make it sexual

[feral river]

@static pivot those also

[plucky violet]

i ain't racist she just too much CCP supporter

[feral river]

@static pivot just see what did he say in before and now

full of offense and disrespect of others

[static pivot]

Dealt

Thank you

[feral river]

thank you

[umbral escarp]

Hello

[civic reef]

i dont understand how you allow pro-chinese government propaganda here

but fine, u just like criminals

[feral river]

<@&852814479569059840>

[cerulean ore]

Criminals?? Whoa

[umbral escarp]

Me too

[feral river]

I don't need to say anything about this but it's really impolite and it's offense to other people like that.

[umbral escarp]

Yes. They try to eliminate a Part of their population

[feral river]

I don't give a fuck to what you guys saying and it's ridiculous at all because I'm clearly not starting a propaganda here.

[cerulean ore]

No like seriously that's a serious accusation and you don't have to argue with this person because they clearly have formed a broad picture about you in their head

[feral river]

yes

I don't fucking care then. I just call <@&852814479569059840>

[spring zephyr]

sup?

[thorny steeple]

whats the issue?

[cerulean ore]

Gosh

The issue is just literally two messages above. You can't read or what?

[civic reef]

About my comment above

[civic reef]

like this one, they wanted to report that am racist or stuff

[thorny steeple]

Wow, people got dead serious now. 💀

[civic reef]

Yeah thats my point. I always mention ive got nothing to say about people, i mean the gov which is just criminals who conduct genocide, like uyghur population in china

[thorny steeple]

The fact that you are chinese and you are not brainwashed by the government like some people. You have my respect bro. ✨

[civic reef]

am not chinese, ive got friends from there tho

[thorny steeple]

Oh wait, alright then. I remember hearing you once saying you're chinese or something. 😂

Maybe I confused you with someone else.

[civic reef]

Possible, i didnt say that tho. I remember myself mentioning i was told this by a friend, yes

[spring zephyr]

Aight, seems like you're self-aware of your actions. First and foremost protocol about the community to keep in mind is our server doesnt entertain politically conflicted arguments that may induce heated environment and break the decorum. Still, we're providin this only space named "Serious Chat" to discuss your political topics. Always try to be respectful to each other while addressin any disputed argument and try to stay away from personally attackin someone that can oscillate their sensitivity. A gentle reminder.

sounds good?

[civic reef]

sounds good

[spring zephyr]

Better.

[thorny steeple]

Do you happen to be from Asia?

[feral river]

just see what they say and I'm gonna sleep so bye guys.

I didn't say anything about propaganda thing

you can scroll up and just search what I said anyways.

[spring zephyr]

Gave them gentle warnin and they co-operated hence i'll monitor for now. Lemme know later if smthn bugs up again.
Reference :
#🧠｜serious-chat message , #🧠｜serious-chat message , #🧠｜serious-chat message

[feral river]

Thank you very much.

and sorry for late responding I was busy for that time.

anyways have fun guys

[spring zephyr]

I understand. Its aight, have a great day ahead anyway .

[feral river]

yeah you too and it's night here 🤣

bye.

[spring zephyr]

[limpid whale]

anyone is preparing for a cambridge exam?

[pale cloak]

Hiii

[exotic onyx]

Me for IELTS

[pale cloak]

I need a book to read but with easy english

Any recommendation?

[thorny steeple]

yes

[thorny steeple]

https://www.firstcry.com/penguin-random-house/peppa-pig-bedtime-little-library-story-board-books-pack-of-4-english/13114824/product-detail?ref=GoogleShopping_11_121!Standard-CMPT_Books!&gad_source=4&gclid=Cj0KCQiAwbitBhDIARIsABfFYII94cvFuw_1H57wJp32YEFa65m0mgJ-n-2ha5zoFppYIU-2QN9pLNEaAsHEEALw_wcB

[limpid whale]

wich level?

[limpid whale]

choose a topic you personally like, when its about grammatic and vocabulary related to the exam then I thin that the cambridge books fit well

[pale cloak]

Ohh ok i will

Thanks sofia🤗

[exotic onyx]

I'm aiming for a score above 7-8 so that'll be C1

[lethal pebble]

Hi guys, I'm looking for YouTubers and podcasts that are good for learning English. I'm a beginner. Does anybody have any recommendations? I like left-wing politics, movies, documentaries, and stories about people

[gaunt bronze]

Ooo. i'm not against banning guns (that's just stupid) but i just think there needs to be much stronger regulations on guns in the U.S. the statistics, as we've seen, speak for themselves

plus you can flip the second amendment on itself. it's subject to interpretation and it mentions that it must be a "well maintaind militia" or something like that

and i mean is it really a well maintained militia if there's like 80 ppl dying everyday and 2 mass shooting every month

ofc though, there's like a conservative constitutional amendment sweep going on rn and it's so crazy. plus there's a lot of ppl who support it just bc they want votes (maybe idk??)

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RN67aUoHZpE?feature=share

[thorny steeple]

What do you suggest will ease-up the gun tension in the US as you've mentioned about the increase in gun violence in the coutry ?

[obsidian shore]

Because if everyone has guns then why go in and know that you might get shot 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[obsidian shore]

Lack of stupid people

[obsidian shore]

No, it's so government doesn't have total control over the populace

Eh but education needs to be better. I don't even want to study at uni here anymore because of the education curriculum

[thorny steeple]

Oh that's the initial ideology?

[obsidian shore]

Yes. A well maintained militia to be able to oppose the government. This is why each state has its own military, called national and state guards.

Those groups of people are employed by the state government and not the federal

It is.. but states aren't as independent as people wish them to be. Trade still occurs between states as well as each state may be an exporter, but doesn't make the country an exporter of something. There's things an individual state can do rather than the country as a whole can do.

[feral river]

There is no America if there is no 50 state

It’s about sovereignty

No one except separatists will allow any part of their country being independent

Independent means they are no longer your land anymore, they have their sovereignty, they have their military, they have their own economic power and they can make threats

[quaint monolith]

Based

[feral river]

That’s why I said the power comes from the territory

The large more strategic territory you have the more powerful you are

And national interest literally can surpass everything including law.

[obsidian shore]

No, this is why we have the separation of powers / 3 branches of government. Each state has checks and balances due to them in which no one has power over the other. Yes a state may have bigger influence but the law must still be followed and maintained.

Independence and have a central government can both coincide

[feral river]

The forces is controlled by the US federal government 🤣

If you goes independent just enter their tanks and plane forcibly overthrew your government

US indeed using some pretext and overthrew other countrie’s government.

They are the most powerful entity they have that ability to destroy any forces they want.

That’s why I said it’s impossible to be independent unless you have a robust military that can directly face the threat from federal government

And I think every US state actually has more autonomy than the province of other unity countries

[obsidian shore]

No it's controlled by the state government, which is a separate entity than the federal government. For example I work for the state government. We report but we do not have to listen. Each state has there own laws for example. Yet there are federal laws but are so more as guidelines

[feral river]

I mean the military

Not the policeman not the organizations and your state government

[obsidian shore]

Yeah the state military and or national guards ade controlled by the states.

Each state has its own militia.

[feral river]

State military can’t face US military at all

That’s not a robust military

[obsidian shore]

You'd be surprised 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[feral river]

US Military is the most powerful military around the world.

[feral river]

I didn’t be surprised because it’s about spilt, no any of your president or supreme leader let any part of your land spilt to others

For example, will you make your arm free and give them to others?

🤣🤣🤣it’s ridiculous but something just like this

[thorny steeple]

true

[obsidian shore]

What?

[thorny steeple]

i was confused for an hour 💀 ; now it makes sense. thank you

Hi intellectuals

[serene isle]

Do you guys think there are wrong reasons to do something objectively good for others?

Like is the result more important than the reason ?

[jolly agate]

It depends on the situation

[serene isle]

i don't know, let's say you want to volunteer in some shelter because you want to help but also to feel good about yourself for example

[jolly agate]

Even if doing something good for others is seen as objectively right, the reasons why you do it might not always be equally good.

[serene isle]

do you think people do things for entierly selfless reasons ?

[jolly agate]

it's not entirely selfless.

[jolly agate]

Some say people can do things just to help others, without getting anything for themselves. Others think even when you help, you might feel good about it,

[feral river]

The act of you eat something itself is type of selfless or selfish ?🤣

[thorny steeple]

i didn't get what you're trying to say

Could you give an example?

[serene isle]

i think it's neutral because you need that ahah

[serene isle]

@thorny steeple here's one

[jolly agate]

The act of eating is considered a basic, self-sustaining need rather than inherently selfless or selfish.

[thorny steeple]

there's nothing wrong with feeling good about yourself? i think it's a completely healthy thing In this Scenario

[feral river]

If I need kill animals and eat meat to get the protein is that selfish or selfless 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[thorny steeple]

When you spend time for an activity, you're doing it for yourself & for others, I'd like to look at it more of a contract. The Act of being self-less is more of a portrayal seen from outside but internal motivation act differently & it's completely normal to feel good about the situation you're in.

[serene isle]

depends on what you believe in. i'd say it's still neutral but that depends on the person

[feral river]

I believe myself 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

and science

Well actually I believe science

[serene isle]

so as long as it's not for malicious purposes it's alright to do good for somewhat selfish reasons ?

[jolly agate]

It's nither

[thorny steeple]

It's not selfish, its pretty human to feel those things ~_~

[serene isle]

yeah i might be overthinking this

[feral river]

I will never betray myself🤣

[formal scaffold]

I've had the same misundersranding of thd word selfishness till I looked up its meaning

?define selfish

[cursive bobcat]

Word: selfish

Definition (adjective): concerned chiefly or only with yourself and your advantage to the exclusion of others

Definition requested by xaxaros

[formal scaffold]

This is what i though it was

But when i looked deeper it said, fulfill desire on the expense of others

It depends on which definition are we talking about

I wouldn't accept to be a billionaire on the expense of someone else's life

[feral river]

Depends what is that person who is gonna be expensed

If that person is my enemy of course I’m gonna do that even I can’t be a billionaire

But if that person is my family, my friends then I can’t do this🤣

[formal scaffold]

Didnt know u perform execution in china¡

[feral river]

I know

But the people who is getting executed just because they violated the law and they don’t follow the rule of China

You must follow the law of your local government.

[formal scaffold]

no thanks I'll follow my own rules while partially follow my gov laws that seems logical to me

[feral river]

So you are illegal for sometimes ?

[formal scaffold]

I never was depends on the situation

[feral river]

I just gonna say that the law defines what you can do and what you can’t do, and what punishment you get if you violate the law.

They got executed because they violated the law

What a simple reason.

[formal scaffold]

"Salahuddin stopped attacking richard lion's heart once he fell of his steed and ordered his men to give him another horse instead" that's a good example ig

[feral river]

Well I didn’t get it actually.

[formal scaffold]

all gov laws aren't flawless, even china US or any other country

and even the laws I follow aren't flawless

[feral river]

Yes but the common point is you must follow it

[formal scaffold]

so I do my best to figure out the closes to perfection

[feral river]

If you don’t follow this law you got punishment

Whatever it’s flawless or not

[formal scaffold]

so if your country forces you to vote you'll vote?

[feral river]

It’s mandatory

[formal scaffold]

what ifu don't want it

[feral river]

Yes it’s mandatory

If you don’t vote you violate the law you got punished

Well that didn’t happen in my country just an example

[formal scaffold]

why are people running away from north korea btw? they should follow the laws and stay there

[feral river]

You have that freedom to vote or not to vote in here LOL

[feral river]

Yes

Or you got destroyed for sure

[formal scaffold]

Socrates don't agree with this

is death the worst outcome? is living while being deprived of you own freedom worse? there's no answer to that, each one has his own answer and preference to that

[serene isle]

if you've known nothing but freedom, i would say you're more inclined to say that death is worse. but if you've been raised deprived of it, you don't see what you don't have

[feral river]

It’s nothing about freedom because you don’t have that if you literally can’t live🤣🤣🤣

That’s the most miserable thing actually, every places has their law and some places respects rights and freedom but some places not

In my opinion, economically North Korea is failed because it’s too close they can’t get connection with anywhere

About people’s right, North Korea suppresses some right like freedom.

[formal scaffold]

makes sense, yet it's not just that

[feral river]

In my place, most people willing to gave out some of their freedom for security and stability, like surveillance and security checks

[formal scaffold]

if you are scared shitless no matter what you'll always opt for life over death

[feral river]

We don’t wanna live in a danger place, nobody‘s want.

If there is someone threat your security, just eliminate them

That’s what is happening right now

[serene isle]

I agree with Skuggi there. Laws are usually there for the greater good, but some are stupid obviously. I do violate the law on minor things as everyone does, if I do get caught and punished well i had it coming i guess. I don't believe in following blindly orders by something as corrupted as.. any government really, but i believe my moral compass is alright so its more common sense than anything. Now, I don't live in a extremely unjust country, and I am lucky enough to not get shot for not clapping enough when the president comes around or something so I come from a privileged point of view

well i didnt say the opposite

except if you've been litterally raised this way, cut off from the world, do you think you'd even want freedom if you don't know what freedom is?

i know right

if you've been manipulated to think that what you have is ultimate freedom even if it's not the case i don't know if you would want more

i mean i hope so, but i havent been in that situation so i wouldnt know

[feral river]

I don’t care because they gave that right to me🤣🤣🤣

And about freedom itself, everyone wants freedom but it doesn’t mean that freedom = good

Some cases freedom bring a lot of social problems such as divisive, minorilization

[serene isle]

your freedom stops where the other people's freedom starts

[feral river]

Sometimes it was.

[serene isle]

oh no it's the general rule

like i'm not free to be a bad person to someone because that infriges on that person's freedom to live peacefully without me being insulting

and vice versa

[feral river]

Well I respect other’s freedom but if their freedom is matter and may conflict to me, I will contribute to depriving their freedom for my security

You can say something you want but it has influence on the society it’s literally will led to a destable society which is bad and threat everyone’s life

Just like cultural invasion from others, religion and other ideologies

It will dramatically influence our society and threat our lives

[serene isle]

free speech is vital yeah

i may not agree with what someone said but i'd fight for their right to say it

then again revolution is printed in my dna and culture so i might be a bit biaised lmao

France

yepyep

[serene isle]

huh?

[feral river]

French Revolution cool

We even have to learn it

[serene isle]

it was a much more complex situation than the general idea of it but yeah

[feral river]

But now we are an unity state and living in stable society, we don’t like revolution because we don’t need that ?

But we actually have a lot of revolution before

[serene isle]

well the french revolution happened in 1789 so yeah we (probably) don't need a revolution anymore

we've got the right to organize strikes now, which was basically created to keep us from making heads roll again

[grave kestrel]

@feral river In order to avoid racism, it is better for u to go #🫂｜beginner-chat

[feral river]

racism is not my problem, it's their problem.

will anyone stand off behind racists ?

[grave kestrel]

I'll cover ur back if someone miss with ya

[feral river]

ty XD

[grave kestrel]

u can have more fun in beginner chat, bc it has more active there

[feral river]

I will try sometimes maybe but there is a reason that I stick here because I was good at controversial topics.

[thorny steeple]

🗿

[grave kestrel]

Most ppl talk here for a problem, my boi

[feral river]

🤣 who knows what's the next ?

[grave kestrel]

Fr, we never know hahaha

[feral river]

if you are falling into a debate in other chat you can just ping me and I guess I can help🤣

[grave kestrel]

My man LMAOO

[main bison]

hi guys
Le

[grave kestrel]

Suo boy

[rain lark]

Nihao

[feral river]

NiHao a LMAO

are you Chinese ?

[rain lark]

Que tal

[rain lark]

No
But they are nice

[feral river]

oh cool

[rain lark]

R u chinese

[feral river]

yes I'm

[rain lark]

Nice
Ik the sentence gun kåi 😂

[grave kestrel]

[feral river]

belief is essential but the material is also essential.

[grave kestrel]

Muhammad the best ever

[feral river]

good luck for you guys destroying your enemy

it's tough fight.

[cinder token]

Bro you didn't get my point, there are sometimes times when war is not allowed

Like, the first 13 years in Makkah

[cerulean ore]

Geez these guys are talking about Islam again

[cinder token]

War was not allowed because quraish were too powerful and if they got to fighting they would already be dead

Palestine's current situation is the same

I'm not saying we shouldn't save Palestine, ofc we should, I'm mad they lack help, but also, Israel is way too powerful

[grave kestrel]

Indeed

[cinder token]

That's not the point bro yes Allah sends help in unimaginable ways but again, certain times, war not allowed

Alright then no more talking about it

If that's how you're gonna say about it

I'm talking about the Makkah era before hijrah..

Alright a better way to say is

Not the right time to war

Not enough preparation

Enemy just way too powerful

[feral river]

the belief is not the key factor to win this war actually.

Israel is backed by the United States, United Kingdom those western nations

and what is the Hamas's back ? only Iran ?

where is other muslim allies ?

and for hamas itself they just ruled this small tiny territory called gaza strip.

they don't have that power to face the robust modern military, Israel Defense Forces.

[cinder token]

Yeah exactly..

That's the point..

We need more support

[feral river]

that's why I say It is almost impossible to defeat the Israel army by themselves

but if Hezbollah start invastion on Israel support Palestinian

[cinder token]

That's the whole point, they need external help

[feral river]

I think the situation might be changed in this time

[grave kestrel]

@cinder token Where r u from boi?

[grave kestrel]

If this happen WW3 will start

[feral river]

I don't know, I think I won't be affected I guess ?

[grave kestrel]

No one can help PS or Israel, bc anyone joined in the war WW3 will start

[cinder token]

Does that matter

[feral river]

actually for example Saudi Arabia, Egypt is not actually that support Hamas for now

Saudi is an US ally

[grave kestrel]

then shadap if u don't understand in political pls

[feral river]

Egypt surrendered to the Israel since the previous war they fought 🤣 (I was kidding but they have a peace agreement)

[grave kestrel]

No one can support anyone

[feral river]

UAE... they live in a prosperous society don't give a shit to that damn area.

so hopeless palestinian.

[grave kestrel]

PS and Israel situation is worst than Russia and Ukraine war

[grave kestrel]

They do care, but they can't do anything

[feral river]

the US support is the most advantage and the key factor that Israel can start invasion back in Gaza.

[grave kestrel]

Close the topic guys

[feral river]

actually they initiate several airstrikes in Gaza first, and started ground invasion.

that's what It's happening right now.

[grave kestrel]

They was always striking Gaza before war start

This is why Hamas attacked Israel

[feral river]

actually... I don't care who started first. because both sides just need against each other and no one adopt 2 state situation.

so let's see who is the winner.

[grave kestrel]

No one actually gonna get win

bc every war has a lot of losses

[feral river]

actually if they occupied Gaza after this war, they exactly won.

because their national security problem came from this place.

[grave kestrel]

Yes indeed

Even if they conquered Gaza, but ppl won't stop attacking Israel ppl if they entered Gaza

[feral river]

I was empathy with those muslims but unfortunately the world is not running like you thought everyone has a well life and whether they believe Islam or not and they are being respected.

the world has conflicts, and it was never end in human history.

[grave kestrel]

• Egyptian will support will support PS ppl in secret

[feral river]

war is the supreme court of the civilization of humanity.

[grave kestrel]

Problems run in their blood

[feral river]

illegal or not are the winner can define.

because the loser doesn't have right to make a rule.

that's the cruel fact.

[grave kestrel]

When war start, don't never ever think about this, bc when war start law is under war

[feral river]

I have different opinion with you because the winner defines which side is humanity.

[grave kestrel]

Sis, where r in the world that don't gave a f about humanity

[feral river]

because the loser side can't be humanity.

because they lose, they lose their land, lose their nation, lose their rule even lose their life

how is that even possible to be humanity side as a loser ?

that's not how it works.

[grave kestrel]

wdym by this?

u mean hamas killing their ppl?

[feral river]

I'm not mean that I mean if they lose their rule and power, they can't even speak out on this earth.

[grave kestrel]

How hamas grow up?

do yk how?

[feral river]

Hamas actually has power and rule in Gaza strip.

[grave kestrel]

Nuh uh

[feral river]

humm what do you mean by that ?

you mean gaza is not ruled by Hamas?

[grave kestrel]

Pls review first October war

when PS lost all the power

[grave kestrel]

Hamas does not represent PS at all

[feral river]

they can or not is not important, the important thing is they controlled this area

[grave kestrel]

Hamas is not affiliated with the PS Authority

[feral river]

they controlled this territory

[thorny steeple]

There's too much noise between win or lose mate

[feral river]

the point is they controlled this territory, not they can represent or not.

[grave kestrel]

They don't have government

[feral river]

they have administration in that territory and they actually started their operation from that territory.

[grave kestrel]

This is why world can't help em

[feral river]

the government they have but was unrecognized.

[grave kestrel]

Hamas is a rebel movement against PS

[feral river]

well south korea then ?

[grave kestrel]

It is independent from PS

[feral river]

you mean that's Hamas not Palestine ?

[grave kestrel]

Yes, this main point

[grave kestrel]

Yep

[feral river]

but they controlled Palestinian territory

the main point is they controlled their territory

who controlled territory who represent their people

well I empathy with you but I respect the truth.

I was talking the truth and I know what Israel did in this war such as strike civilian facilities

the truth is now Hamas represents the people in Gaza (whether they are Palestinian or not.) fight against Israel forces and their state.

firstly their offense was success but they finally were pushed back by IDF, and IDF started invasion back on them

[grave kestrel]

Hamas resigned from PS in 2007, bc PS orientation was to sell its dignity and land to Israel. Gaza ppl rejected this and resigned from PS

[feral river]

for me, I live in East Asia, the People's Republic of China, in our stance we don't support any other side and we called cease fire vocally

[feral river]

I guess that happened but the point is they controlled the land of gaza and they started invasion in here.

don't trying debate on me my friend I don't care that I respect the truth I told you.

if you want to hear a couple of thing that Hamas and the old history about Israel that you may unhappy

I would like to say about it.

[grave kestrel]

No bro, Hamas ppl is Gaza ppl rejected to follow Israel rule after they lost war in October war

China sis

China is big

[feral river]

we are not interfering, we just say that not means we gonna take action. Middle East is far from China

[grave kestrel]

Yes, bc China support PS

[grave kestrel]

Yes, excatly

[feral river]

we have numerous Israel investment in China too, we don't wanna get into this conflict.

[grave kestrel]

by word :v

R u crazy?

[feral river]

I even invested some Israel military-industral stocks (just earned some).

[grave kestrel]

This is dumb way to start WW3

[feral river]

we don't wanna be affected from this war at all

it's not our shit.

[grave kestrel]

which mean Israel have the right to use Nuke

[feral river]

Israel has nukes that's right.

[grave kestrel]

Political

[lime rose]

you can use nuke weapon if your country need it (for exapmple us)

with japan

[feral river]

where r u from ?

China ?

[lime rose]

spain

[feral river]

oh Spain is far from Japan

[grave kestrel]

They have right to use nuke when their country under conquer

[lime rose]

lucky me, huh?

[hard parrot]

@worn hull hate the Zionists not Jews

[worn hull]

Yeah

[lime rose]

pal want 'conquer' israel? how do you think ?

what we need to know about rights

[feral river]

I was clearly saying that the winner defines which side is humanity, justice. because the loser side doesn't even have a chance to speak out in this world again.

do I make myself clear ?

[grave kestrel]

Look, I'm trying to be neutral in this conversation

[feral river]

"I can literally start war and kill people for my right." that's what the global power is doing in this world.

and that's actually what almost every power doing in this world.

because they want live.

just this simple reason.

and the other entity is not doing something like this, doesn't exist anymore.