🧠｜serious-chat

[exotic onyx]

To get away with everything?

[feral river]

Even our GDP increased so much

Well I can admit some cases it’s true but they got imprisoned too

Such as Bo

[jolly agate]

Can you really say that,

[exotic onyx]

for no more than 2 years

[feral river]

I can promise you bro.

[exotic onyx]

Let's just not mention the massive corruption of the government

You say you're a capitalist yet you lick the state's boot

[feral river]

It’s not okay I agree with you at this point

[jolly agate]

are including everyone. like everyone

[feral river]

I was including only Han Chinese, they currently live in a stable society and some of them live in rural areas but they have right to go anywhere they want

They are 90% of people

Not 60% not 40% it’s 90%

[jolly agate]

Its actually 91.51

[feral river]

Well there was a massive corruption before 2014 the Xi jinping launched the great purge

[feral river]

Yeah like you mentioned

[exotic onyx]

And why do you think is that?

[feral river]

We still got corruption problems but not that serve for now

[exotic onyx]

Could it be the authoritarian genociding regime that's bestowed on china way after the second world war?

[feral river]

Every authoritarian state has corruption issues

They can’t resolve this

[exotic onyx]

Indeed so why do you defend them?

[feral river]

Why you think genocide so important?

[exotic onyx]

It isn't it a simple solution for a complex matter

[feral river]

I was talking the truth

[jolly agate]

What do you say about, hackers who trying too hack into other contres child labour that happening in countries.,I hear many people are using it as to criticise you gov.

[exotic onyx]

Only bigoted people decide to choose this option

[feral river]

Can you pick one thing I was not talking the truth ?

[jolly agate]

I like that china whats the best for its people,

[feral river]

Actually I accept criticizing like genocide you mentioned

[jolly agate]

it dosent care about anything.

[exotic onyx]

Your justification of genocide for "national security" which is just the government's ambitions

[feral river]

But what if they indeed threat you

That was correct

Not incorrect

[exotic onyx]

There are not what ifs. If the the Tebetans lived there for centuries they deserve to stay there

Also having different views on life is a human thing. You can't imprison people just because they follow a different religion

[feral river]

Child labor is illegal

[feral river]

That is the Chinese territory

Our rules

Not your rules, you are in our land so follow our rules

[exotic onyx]

Of course but that doesn't make it less immoral

[feral river]

I was following the Islam since I visited Muslim nations

[feral river]

We care actual power and rule more than moral

Actually moral is a part of rule

[exotic onyx]

The government cares the people just want to live a normal peaceful life

[feral river]

We can’t split any of our territory because of moral

[jolly agate]

I've seen bunch of storys where people have to pay loan on unfinished homes. And when they tries to complain the gov shut their mouts becuse it therethens their power

[exotic onyx]

That includes Tebetans too

[feral river]

That was the stupidest pretext ever

[exotic onyx]

And all other minorities living in the country

[feral river]

For what people is important

For our prosperity we must do that

[exotic onyx]

You say the government represents the people/the people living in china than why does itdiscriminate them?

[feral river]

For our prosperity, not others

We don’t care others prosperity

That’s what our government thinks

That is our government they work for us not others

[jolly agate]

What they care about is your tex

[feral river]

Well no that is incorrect

[exotic onyx]

You just said Tibet is chinese territory, therefore the government should care about the people who live there, right?

[feral river]

True tax🤣🤣🤣

But not that deep

[exotic onyx]

if they are part of china, doesn't that make them chinese citizens?

Why does the government discriminate chinese citizens?

[feral river]

They are, we have so many Tibetan politicians

[jolly agate]

the moment you stop paying it they will come for ya, then try syaing it gov work for us.

[feral river]

But they must abandon something like beliefs and especially religions

[exotic onyx]

In what way would that threaten national security? It only threatens the government's ideals

[feral river]

We indeed have so many Tibetan politicians and Uhygurs CCP member

Even they are running in our Sichuan province…

[feral river]

Because we don’t allow them to spread influence on the society

We are so unite, and we come up together is the best thing we have

We have less barriers because we don’t care about religion thing

We can have efficient solutions and systems because we are all the same

We can have same policy’s for everyone for equal and fair

[jolly agate]

I have a hunch just a bit, if the gov lets other people spred their infulance in their country then people may feal like they are free and they will start doing thing that can effect the whole economy in long term

[feral river]

Not only the economy

Maybe national split

Like independence movement

We can’t ever allow anyone split any part of Chinese territory

That’s what our leaders said

And we 100% support him

[jolly agate]

West need have some control over their citizens now

they are too lose

[feral river]

Every Chinese leader are so focused on unite China and expand Chinese territory for all the time

That’s why I like them

[jolly agate]

I don't see a reason to kill inocents

just because you want their land

[feral river]

“We kill innocent for our interest.”

[jolly agate]

imporve yourslef within your walls

[feral river]

It’s a simple thing

[plucky violet]

everything is fare in war and love and exam

[feral river]

But most times we don’t kill them, we teach them, we guide them because there will be hell to pay to kill them

[jolly agate]

What if others trys to kill you?? what if you family is killed by some other people of different country

[feral river]

We even put them into reeducation camp

Not just simply kill them

[plucky violet]

Mongols entering in China chat

[jolly agate]

Killing isnt the best solution to every situation

[feral river]

I can comprehend that, but sorry that’s what we are

[plucky violet]

like Japanese did

[feral river]

Yeah 🤣 Japanese Empire I know

[high comet]

Hello

[feral river]

Yes that’s true

But it was necessary in some cases

[jolly agate]

But still reeducating is same as forceing them to learn the chinies way. They will be under chinies gov they have to follow thier rule, and most of the times people of those dont even get to a fulfilling lifes.

[feral river]

He is a great emperor for Japan before he permitted the war with the USA🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

He literally screwed up and was kicked by America

[jolly agate]

If they deny it they will punished or maybe killed.

[feral river]

Yeah because you are living our society so become part of us

That’s why we are doing that

It’s nothing wrong like that

For us it’s nothing wrong

Not for them

[cloud kestrel]

._.

[jolly agate]

Here is the problem lies, if they willingly choose to go under you then i see no problem with that, but if forcefully taken, they will forever be resentfull.

[feral river]

That justifies they don’t follow our rule so remove them then🤣

We are not a democratic regime such if we have more territory we have more province they will have right to affect our internal issues

We are an authoritarian regime we don’t need to care that much, if they follow the rule then good to be a part of us if they don’t then punish them as well

That’s why we don’t need to care that much because they literally can’t affect our internal issues

Because you live in our core territory you have to follow our rules and we don’t have election, so you live in our new territory you also have to follow our rules and you don’t have right to elect too

Maybe you can be a candidate

That’s what you got

[jolly agate]

you cant have without bloodshed on your and enemys hands.

[feral river]

That’s why the US do not annex some of US territories because they care they have a new state to affect their internal issues

[cerulean ore]

You were talking about how you don't "like" Muslims and their way of enforcing their beliefs on others but then you go on to say bs like this. Geez what a hypocrite

[jolly agate]

I think you misunderstood something

[feral river]

That’s why we start wars

And actually US also start wars🤣

Every global power start wars, US, China, Russia, France and UK

[cerulean ore]

Not really, I've been observing this convo for a while now

Seemed pretty interesting

[jolly agate]

If a true war to break out, everyone will die

[jolly agate]

Not even china would be an excaption

[feral river]

It will never happen a direct conflict with A global power vs A global power

So proxy wars

Proxy wars is really popular since the Cold War

[jolly agate]

In china the situation is that people of low class people strugall to even pay for foods, such family in during a war will the first to die

[feral river]

That’s not the truth then

[jolly agate]

poverty does exist in china

[feral river]

We eliminated poverty since 2014

I mean at least

[jolly agate]

you have reduced it

[feral river]

You can have a place to live and you have food

Everyone has food with no doubt

We don’t have immigrats and China never receives refugees

China never receives refugees, it’s important

[feral river]

Well, that’s what happened before

Not now

It happened in our poverty days like 1980 before

You can see one thing is clear for the world and for the China

The total population

And how it changes

Because you can never lie to this

No one can lie to this except North Korea

[jolly agate]

I havent done the proper reserch about china and how they live etc etc

But Im pretty sure

[feral river]

Well then I give you one information

[jolly agate]

if I were to do it

I would found pretty resonable data

[feral river]

China’s gdp/capita is approximately 13000

And the rice price was only 1 CNY, about 0.15 USD

[jolly agate]

That dosent prove that everyone lives happely in china and people dont die of hunger or get shut up becuse the goverment wants them to br quite

[feral river]

How can they die of hunger because rice is not even cost 1 USD ?

How ?

[jolly agate]

chines get paid in chinies currancy

[silver vault]

Yeah lo she just sounds like some other pro-CCP sophisticated propaganda mouthpiece

[jolly agate]

its different

[feral river]

What ?

1 CNY = 0.139 USD

It’s not communist rubles

[cerulean ore]

Everything's all sunshine and rainbows there, what are you talking about ira??

[feral river]

Like Soviet Union

We have limited free market

[jolly agate]

Imagin getting paid this much

and you have to feed the kids

yourself

pay the rent

school fee

[silver vault]

Wouldn't I know

[jolly agate]

house billes

[feral river]

What is that data comes from ?

[jolly agate]

google top search

[feral river]

I was visited almost every megacity and some poverty provinces in China, and I see some poor people but they all have a poor house and enough food they eat

We live in a stable society if we can’t solve this basic problem how it could be stable ?

There must be a revolution if there is lacking of food

At least I will join the revolution if I’m lacking of food

We are not Soviet Union, we are no longer as command economy right now

I mean are you mentioned some period like Covid one ?

[jolly agate]

Thats The things its not stable, you may have seen some bad things, but if you go down the rabbit hole then you will see true poverty. Everything is off balance for low class people

[feral river]

Some places is exactly lacking of supplies during covid

[jolly agate]

I dotn really care about that.

[jolly agate]

Everyone struglled in that time

[feral river]

That’s incorrect at all and I can give you data for this

[jolly agate]

I would like to recive it, send in the dm's or what ever you wish.

Also would be better of you mail Xi Jinping sue google for this misinformation

[jolly agate]

He would have done it by now if he could

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines?wprov=sfti1

[jolly agate]

may be he dosent use google

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China?wprov=sfti1

I believe these data is enough to solve this issue

There is not even one record about civilian death due starvation in modern China

And your data you mentioned I didn’t find the exact case for that

There must be a case if it exists

Because it’s a huge number

And it’s a western website not our Chinese one

How it could be exist because it doesn’t exist in our data and in west data at the same time ?

[jolly agate]

ObViously they don't exist if they are not recorded, I know i can provide similer graph that does have deaths on it, it will contridicts that information.

[feral river]

That’s okay if you can provide that

[plucky violet]

there's few people but most of them are from rural areas or old people
most of case's regarding starvation death from China came during lockdown period

[feral river]

Yeah that was an accident and yes it exists but still not much

It can’t be considered as a crisis even

[plucky violet]

yeh I know but it's feel weird when we hear such news from all over the world that someone dies because they were hungry or thirsty

specially in such a modern world

[feral river]

yes! and China is the second rich country with no refugees, no poor immigrants, if you from a poor family which under 2300 CNY(319.70 USD) incomes per year you will receive economy supply from the government like free education, claiming supplying money and you get big discount in hospital and insurance

actually if you even live in the worst city in China, like in 7 tier cities you can get at least 2000 CNY per month working as a labor

[thorny steeple]

Oh, that's interesting to know.

[late atlas]

Hey guys, does anybody study in Germany as a foreigner by a chance?

[thorny steeple]

https://www.statista.com/statistics/233886/minimum-wage-per-hour-in-china-by-city-and-province/ Check this data too, i think this is for the minimum wage city - wise

[plucky violet]

are u Chinese too

[plucky violet]

it's not how rich a country
but rather how system works there
Congo is some of the richest land on earth still because of shity system and their corrupt society it's a faild country

[feral river]

that's the GDP not per capita

[feral river]

this is fair but still outdated I guess because many people in Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou can earn more money than this one

[feral river]

System is important, but why you guys always think we are under ruling by a heavily corrupted system and with poverty, homeless, suppression ?

it doesn't make sense because it's not true, if you are saying we are doing genocide on uyhgurs, we did massive survelliance, we suppresses pro-democracy movement in Hong kong that is also true and I admit it.

but it is not true because we perfectly solved the poverty in 2014, solved heavily corruption in 2014, homeless people is very less right now it's hard to see a homeless people in the city even western website admitted, and most of the Chinese, approximately 90% Han Chinese is not under suppression, you can do whatever you want besides participating politics, you can go whatever you want, it's your freedom

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

I can comprehend if you don't trust the data from our website, so I referred the west's website, not ours, in our website you can't see Human rights abuses in China

and amazingly it's almost the same compared to us.

I'm not a nationalist, I was talking the truth, from the point of view of public opinion, besides some terrible things happened during covid pandemic, our lives changing so fast, because before 10 years ago we don't some good products and we have a lot of social problem but they changed so fast, you can see with your naked eye that your quality of life is improving, the government actually did something and it worked very very well, it benefit so many people because we have 1.4 bil population, that's why I have a good impression to our government but it doesn't even mean it's flawless they will do everything perfect sounds like I'm a nationalist, I also saying something they did bad such as lockdowns, pademic.

even before 10 years, my family can't afford a car, can't afford an iPhone, but now we have 2 cars, and I'm using the newest iPhone my parents are using iPhone 14 Pro.

How is that make sense if we are under suppression ?

[thorny steeple]

;-;

[violet peak]

Little blud took It seriously

And I ain’t readin allat

🥱🥱

[thorny steeple]

Same 😭

bro really did take serious too seriously

[gaunt bronze]

it's amazing how much china has changed

but china's quality of life can still improve, and human rights

[vague kettle]

Any country's quality of life can improve, no one just wants to improve it.

Corruption and lots of other stuff. Can't even imagine how rich we could be if we had no corruption in our world.

[gaunt bronze]

oh oops- i was too ambiguous srry. china has a lot it can still improve looking at it. i'd argue that china already has a lot of the resources it needs for significant improvements but there are barriers

perhaps one of the largest being its politburo-based totalitarian government

[trail onyx]

Brazil has A LOT OF CORRUPTION in everything and I agree 100%

[plucky violet]

again it's not about GDP too
it's about system of people
Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou are top economic city of China but can people afford those expensive city why thousands of people leave the country side to come cities
I'm not saying china is poor and there's poverty
every country has some people who are poor either because they couldn't earn much or they don't have any skill to survive in those mega cities
even Japan and Sweden have poor people even tho both countries put lot of money to give lot schemes to people
common example here is
4 trillion of economy
they have everything to surpass China and USA
but what is lacking is their own corrupt society
no matter what their govt do
poverty and poor people can never go same for China even being second richest country
china society is corrupt

[plucky violet]

every country is corrupt even north Korea lol

[trail onyx]

In everything not

[analog burrow]

wdym EVEN north korea i thought that was like the epitome of corrupt 💀

[plucky violet]

true

[plucky violet]

i mean people say a country with dictatorship has less crime

[analog burrow]

who is "people"
i need to have a talk with them 💀

[plucky violet]

in whole world only Singapore had best dictatorship

[plucky violet]

fascist liberal

[analog burrow]

man

[plucky violet]

you're Ukrainian?

[analog burrow]

look at my bio again 💀

[plucky violet]

ohh then where are you from

Belarus?

[analog burrow]

US LMAO

[plucky violet]

😂

[gaunt bronze]

some countries r less corrupt though

[analog burrow]

good guess tho

[gaunt bronze]

i think the international monetery fund does a corruptness scale idk

[plucky violet]

ohh nice and you're minor

[plucky violet]

they do lol

[analog burrow]

minor key (e minor)

[plucky violet]

i suddenly remembered those minor exual jokes

[gaunt bronze]

wth was i saying "international monetery fund" 😭 it's something completely different

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022

[analog burrow]

yeah lets not go the guitar route 💀

[gaunt bronze]

Memory is so weird sometimes

[plucky violet]

wow US and Canada isn't that corrupt lol

[gaunt bronze]

went from transparency international to international monetery fund like what- 😭

[feral river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_China?wprov=sfti1

[gaunt bronze]

maybe not on the government level but a lot of corruption scandals happen in canada

[feral river]

I’m sorry I didn’t referring this article

I hope it’s helpful

[analog burrow]

watching this go down as an abc is entertaining

[gaunt bronze]

carousel corruption networks in particular

[feral river]

Our corruption problem perfectly massively solved since 2012

[gaunt bronze]

that thing talks about transparency international

[feral river]

That is from the west’s data not from us

And I was responding to him

[gaunt bronze]

china is higher than the average corruption index (of transparency international) by two

[gaunt bronze]

it's an international organisation!!

[feral river]

Yeah of course I didn’t deny it but we are an authoritarian country

[analog burrow]

💀

[feral river]

Our rule based on corruption

[gaunt bronze]

and sure it might be located in a western country but that's not to say it isn't credible

[feral river]

We are not a democratic nation

[gaunt bronze]

the politburo is an exemplifer of an oligarchy that's corrupted

[analog burrow]

there are non-corrupt oligarchies??

[feral river]

But I have to say our corruption

[gaunt bronze]

no

[feral river]

Is different with the west

It’s completely different with the west

[gaunt bronze]

corruption is corruption

[plucky violet]

are u girl or boy

[feral river]

I will give you a video from YouTube

https://youtu.be/kBBre3bpvyk?si=UVDEcnhHtswY5YPI

That’s what polymatter made

[gaunt bronze]

Ugh I wish I could watch it now

[feral river]

Not our agency

Not our company

[analog burrow]

sorry what are we arguing about again

[feral river]

I have to say it’s completely different and you guys don’t know it but I know it and I was talking the truth also I admit our rule based on corruption

But it’s doesn’t mean it heavily influenced society

And it worked very worse before 2012 because it’s massive

[gaunt bronze]

i saw and it's getting better

but i dont think it's ever going to reach a score above 70

[feral river]

Since 2012 a great purge launched by the new leader Xi Jinping, our corruption problem you can’t even realize

[feral river]

That’s the point

[gaunt bronze]

that's just a random guess thoughh

[feral river]

Enjoy the video

[gaunt bronze]

but what is the limit?

[feral river]

What limit ? His term ? Maybe death

[gaunt bronze]

i feel as though a politburo totalitarian nation is inherited, unfortunately, a limit to its "uncorruptedness"

[feral river]

We are not a totalitarian nation

[gaunt bronze]

the general secretary no longer has a term limit

[feral river]

It’s authoritarian nation

[gaunt bronze]

fter he created the 3rd Resolution, embracing "Xi Thought" in the same breathe

[feral river]

His Xi thought is nothing compared with many thought in our history

[gaunt bronze]

"Mao Thought"

[feral river]

Even Confucius have more influence than Xi

mao thought doesn’t exist anymore since Bo was arrested

[gaunt bronze]

Den Xiaoping or whatever his name is (i forget srry) sought to ensure that no one would have such omnipotent dictorial control over china

[feral river]

We hate Mao

[gaunt bronze]

yet Xi Jinping created an amendment to the two-term rule

[gaunt bronze]

Ohh

[feral river]

Yeah he wanna go for 3 even 4 term more

But whatever because he didn’t do the wrong job besides the covid

[gaunt bronze]

And I still think countries like china inherit a limit to how uncorrupted they can be

[feral river]

It can’t be, corruption is a tool to authoritarian rule

That’s how Xi came to power

[gaunt bronze]

^^^^ SO TRUE

[feral river]

And Xi will strengthen his power by corruption

[gaunt bronze]

he removed a lot of ppl he didnt like from his politburo and wider group

[feral river]

But it doesn’t mean he will allow the bureau receives a lot of money from corruption

That’s why I said it’s different

[gaunt bronze]

maybe

[feral river]

Because he use corruption came to power, he use corruption strengthens his control

[gaunt bronze]

100% and he'll still do it that way

[feral river]

But he didn’t use corruption to took huge profit

[gaunt bronze]

it is still corruption in another form though. maybe even more malignant than monetery corruption?

[feral river]

He promised to the people and he did very well

[gaunt bronze]

so it would seem if you were in china

wait r u in china right now??

[feral river]

Yes

I just awake right now

[gaunt bronze]

i thought they had a great firewall

[analog burrow]

bro found a vpn

(nice)

[feral river]

They had so I spent 5 USD a month to bypass them

[gaunt bronze]

that is so worth it!!

[feral river]

Our police even have one

Lmao

[analog burrow]

which part of china lmao

[gaunt bronze]

probably the coast

[feral river]

Well northern China

[analog burrow]

ahh

[feral river]

500 km away from our capital Beijing ?

[gaunt bronze]

Ooo

[analog burrow]

practically a given lmao
unless youre 少数民族

[feral river]

Maybe but it’s nothing wrong because you can use VPN at anytime anywhere you want

[gaunt bronze]

what does that say 😭 i dont know mandarin srry

[analog burrow]

minority

[gaunt bronze]

oh yea that reminds me

[feral river]

And you are free to go anywhere because I ever go a lot of Asian countries

[gaunt bronze]

china has concentration camps i think?

[feral river]

Yes

[analog burrow]

oh that thing...

[gaunt bronze]

or internment camps

[feral river]

In Xinjiang, and Tibet

[analog burrow]

China™️

[gaunt bronze]

they are basically synonymous though, it doesnt make it any better

[feral river]

They used to suppress Uhygus

[analog burrow]

mhm

[feral river]

uhygurs

[gaunt bronze]

that is terrible

[feral river]

Well not terrible in our opinion and he did good

Because they rallies out, destabilize society

So we suppress them

[gaunt bronze]

smh it makes me so sad how so many countries can just go around murdering ppl and being so corrupt, and fuel themselves through malignancy and international malpractices 😭

[analog burrow]

behold: the mindset of a mainlander

well your english is decent though

[gaunt bronze]

tell the politburo it's 'democracy in action'!!

[analog burrow]

i have a cousin and when my mom bought him this 4th grade level book in english he was complaining he didnt understand anything

[feral river]

Not good so🤣

[gaunt bronze]

it's good dont lie to urself

[feral river]

No democracy only will bring mess to China

[analog burrow]

its better than only knowing "Hello! Hello! How are you? I'm good, thanks." /ref

[feral river]

Actually we don’t need any type of divisiveness

Democracy is type of divisiveness

[gaunt bronze]

democracy is the best form of government

[feral river]

We need unite, unite and unite

[gaunt bronze]

it is still a terrible type of government

but the least worst one

[feral river]

That’s what we actually need, I mean for government and for people

[analog burrow]

yeah so uh
hive minds dont seem like a good way to go 👁️

[gaunt bronze]

i cant say if it'd be good for china atm. such a change would seem so impossible

[feral river]

That’s what they actually think

Most mainlanders LOL

[analog burrow]

its more "efficient" or whatever that means
but yeah

[feral river]

I don’t like that because I was a capitalist 🤣

[gaunt bronze]

it is way more efficient

[feral river]

I don’t need that unite thing

[analog burrow]

^

otherwise we get some actual 1984 shit lmao

[gaunt bronze]

dictators are always more efficient 😔

[gaunt bronze]

prob one of the best countries that showcases it

[feral river]

Our government did nothing bad why would we gonna change that🤣

They did good job for us

Not for you, because that’s our government not your government

[analog burrow]

my parents deciding to leave:

[gaunt bronze]

at the cost of fairness, justice, democracy, stability, freedom of thought, freedom of the press and media, freedom of assembly, etc.

at the cost of the most fundamental of human rights yk

[feral river]

Nothing compare with efficient because all of those are inefficient

And where is the national unity ?

[gaunt bronze]

our unity comes through democracy

[tardy harness]

Communism > Capitalism. Period
Under communism we learn the fundamentals of basic human needs, the essence of a happy society, and the importance of wellbeing. What had capitalism & democracy brought to the table? The false promise of a new dream? Where people waste their innocent youth chasing jobs and degrees all to put a bigger amount of money in someone else’s pocket while having their souls sucked dry. No thanks!

[feral river]

Well we don’t feel like communism is good anymore LMAO

[analog burrow]

oh my god are we having a cold war discussion now

[gaunt bronze]

but authoritarianship allows for suppression and makes it seem as though there is no polarisation or disagreement--you can't have any against the state or regime

[feral river]

Yes and state will always work for the majority

[gaunt bronze]

capitalism has learnt from communism but it's only good in theory

[analog burrow]

well apparently "disagreement" is not in their vocabulary

if you "disagree," you will be made to see the wisdom of the majority

[gaunt bronze]

if there can be no expression and there is simply oppression, how does one know?

[feral river]

And you guess, majority of people in China how many percentage they occupied?

[gaunt bronze]

DOUBLETHINK

[tardy harness]

Go to people who are dying in San Francisco’s streets as they lack a basic healthcare plan and tell them that.

[feral river]

90% of People are Han Chinese, are almost same

Can you believe any of the government work for 90% of people?

[gaunt bronze]

The united states is not the queen of democracy yk. sure it has fought for it fiercly but it still has a lot of problems; albeit, i would still say it's better than china and any other country that's communiist. let me actually get a pic

[feral river]

We literally don’t need any minorities better they all assimilated to Han family

We only have 9% minorities in total.

91% has same race, same habits

Same religion, non-religion

[tardy harness]

They have women with winers. They’re better for sure lol. Only democracy they know is turning humans into freaks and calling us Chinese bigots when we criticize their obvious degeneracy.

[gaunt bronze]

We have the penumbral ocean seemingly engulfing North Korea and giving the illusion that it's part of the ocean. Below we have a tumultuous South Korea that's glowing fervently compared to its silent northern counterpart.

[feral river]

The north area is China

What about China 🤣

[gaunt bronze]

Yes!!

[tardy harness]

We have blah blah. Do you have free healthcare in USA?

[analog burrow]

the part that gets me is that people say that like its a good thing

[gaunt bronze]

part of its success is to do with democratic nations: free trade

[feral river]

Well free house free healthcare free education in North Korea

But no advance technologies

[gaunt bronze]

even though its the 2nd richest country, when it comes to quality of life it's no where near second

[gaunt bronze]

WHAT- 😭

[feral river]

No advance technologies I can’t accept that

We have advance technologies

We have everything America’s have

[gaunt bronze]

you get executed if u dont fake cry for a fat man

[tardy harness]

I’m from China. I don’t care about North Korea and it isn’t communist. Not even close.

[gaunt bronze]

It's communist

[feral river]

Because America is importing stuff from us!

[tardy harness]

You don’t know the next thing about communism

[feral river]

Oh you from China too ?

[gaunt bronze]

It has regret now. it's tending towards isolation-based free trade

[feral river]

Well well well do you know the Great Leap Forward ?

[tardy harness]

Proudly. Imagine being a western lol

[gaunt bronze]

they said something along the lines of "free trade will revitalize the Chinese and realise that democracy is the way forward" smhthing like that

[gaunt bronze]

There are too many americans here. you do not want to get into a debate w/ them 😭

[tardy harness]

Yes. What of it?

[feral river]

Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, that is based on communism movement launched by Mao

But All failed

[gaunt bronze]

a movement that created the biggest famine of all time

[tardy harness]

I always do. & never really met anyone with a considerable intellect

[gaunt bronze]

his cultural revolution was denounced by den xiaoping but he would never admit to it!!

[feral river]

And our state literally abandoned this ideology towards socialism which means Deng think our state will keep as initial-socialism for a long time

[gaunt bronze]

it is like when khryushkev or however u spell it

began de-stalinisation

[feral river]

That is

[gaunt bronze]

^^^ but it's still autocratic

and not democratic

[feral river]

But we opened our gate to the world

We joined the international world

[gaunt bronze]

it was a silent ultimatum the rest of the world posed to China

china had little choice

[feral river]

And we have advance technologies we became rich

[gaunt bronze]

the country became rich, not its people

[feral river]

Well at least we solved poverty

This is true

[gaunt bronze]

even its people arent that rich monetarily (in general), and they dont have the riches that come from human rights

[gaunt bronze]

MOSTLY. and that is such a big achievement & there's nothing bad to say about it imo

[feral river]

China never export poverty and never import refugees

[gaunt bronze]

it is so impressive

Omg im so sorry i need to go

I learnt a lot though. tysm ❤️

[feral river]

Good talk I need to have a lunch after an hour

[gaunt bronze]

btw ur rlly smart

[feral river]

There are a lot of people smarter than me in China

🤣

[gaunt bronze]

same in canada 🤷‍♀️

[feral river]

Amazing state hope I can have a chance to stay in Canada

I’m a capitalist I don’t need that burden so I just choose what I want from our society

Otherwise if it gets worse I will leave

I have ability and enough money to leave

[analog burrow]

jesus christ you two are a nice bunch

[thorny steeple]

Oh dear, not just that. Mostly americans also have a good sense of boundaries. But from my experience, this place seems a bit odd ._. I am not sure if it's mainly because americuh, but rather Most people talk like kids here 😭

Although, Some people do respect boundaries but i could only find a handful & they do not use the VC

[thorny steeple]

Do you guys know any scholarships to study abroad?

I want to study in Usa or Europe

[rotund fractal]

as i know all online courses come with a cost especially in Europe and usa
but i know a guy who study abroad in an usa university but he pays

[dull breach]

right

[thorny steeple]

Do you know of any type of scholarship that can be applied for that includes student residence?

[quartz oak]

Is it a good choice for Westerners to study in China?

[mellow scaffold]

Hello

[spare mica]

Hi

Good day y'all

[feral river]

It’s a good choice for Africans to study in China🤣

But for westerners we already have a lot of westerns studying here

And our tuition fee was cheap

[plucky phoenix]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

What happened to lady in black 🤔🧐

[thorny steeple]

😭

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[gleaming sphinx]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

is there any post soviet country citizen? how are your parents or grand parents remembering soviet days? better or worse?

[harsh spade]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-observation-einstein-duh-obviously-no-duh-gif-16802407

[main peak]

got any advice on how to copy a language like Japanese or tagalog from pictures or youtube videos ?

[thorny steeple]

[old vine]

Can screenshot it and upload in Google lens, or in Google bard, it will translate

[gilded viper]

pluh

[thorny steeple]

hello

how are you

[safe pawn]

Hey! I'm all good. And what about you?

[feral river]

Xi showed great interest in why the Soviet Union dissolved, and how to avoid that failure in China:

Why did the Soviet Union disintegrate? Why did the Communist Party of the Soviet Union fall from power? An important reason was that the struggle in the field of ideology was extremely intense, completely negating the history of the Soviet Union, negating the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, negating Lenin, negating Stalin, creating historical nihilism and confused thinking. Party organs at all levels had lost their functions, the military was no longer under Party leadership. In the end, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, a great party, was scattered, the Soviet Union, a great socialist country, disintegrated. This is a cautionary tale! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping_Thought

that's Xi thought don't take it serious 🤣

but his opinion was partially right I guess.

that excellectly exposed what he really wants, the full control of military, party and counter-corruption

[exotic onyx]

Worse and those who see it positively mostly say so due to nostalgia

[unreal kettle]

Do any of you use LingQ and/or Readlang? I'm considering subscribing to one of them but I can't decide which one.

[civic reef]

the truth is a bit less impressive

in reality, if you reach out for anything talking about china but not made in china, so articles or videos not sponsored by the CCP, chinese communist party, then you'll see how many lies the gov spreads

they launch foreign ad campaigns, have special yt channels, and bribe media, to portray them better, in reality the poverty issue is worse and worse, and thats why many chinese migrated to the US and europe, and they still do, even tho they surely love china, just not the gov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioqg_OLbHoA

an interesting topic tbh, the author has lived in china for long years, but ended up escaping with his chinese wife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE7Iz7HLpYg

another channel like this, the author of this one had the exactly same background story, ended up migrating from china back to the states, cuz things got worse

I myself believe in all that, rather than what the communist party says - keep in mind, this is a massive, massive propaganda source, which has a ton of money to be spent on foreign propaganda and defending their image. am not implying china is bad and chinese are bad people, am saying the government is bad while people may not be

if you ask the natives, youre never gonna get one opinion on this, one chinese will defend the party and say they do good, other one will say the party is full of criminals which are corrupt, so, its difficult to trust anyone of them

I myself have been told a lot of bad stuff about that gov, and read a lot too, even tho i definitely like china as a country generally

[stark grotto]

This! I like your perspective, It can also be said about other countries, most of the time it's the government and not the people

[civic reef]

"can also be said about other countries" id argue that maybe yes, but not to such an extent as here, there arent many countries which have such a corrupt gov as this one is, but yeah my idea is that i dont intend to blame or hate on people

[exotic onyx]

I love serpentza. He completely changed my perception on how China works

It's a pitty that a lot of foreigners fall to the lies of the ccp party and later become tankies

[jolly agate]

https://youtu.be/yhjJHtN8kas?si=HVyCkCiT-xYiNr4B

[cerulean ore]

It's confusing why so many people in the comments link communism to corruption in China

China is not a true communist country. They've always been more authoritarian and capitalistic than anything else

The Chinese government uses communist rhetoric to maintain control, but in reality, they're just a bunch of corrupt officials who care more about their own power and wealth than the well-being of their people. The only reason they're still in power is because they've managed to suppress any opposition or dissent through force and propaganda.

[summer parcel]

I just joined this server to learn english and practice english

and i see this channel called serious-chat

this is anything but serious, its comical the hypocrisy of westerners

dont believe everything u see on youtube and cnn

as someone actually have stepped foot on chinese soil, you are more than wrong

these people scream corruption in china

and the ccp being bad

transparency.org defines corruption as: We define corruption as the abuse of entrusted power for private gain.

how does the ccp get anything from corruption

it serves the people

why would u stab your own people in the heart

for wealth and power they say?

So Western countries dont have corruption

what about those corporations with deals with american politicans

you scream corruption corruption

21 trillion USD is unaccounted for

in the US alone

without the ccp, china today would be a weak nation of peasant farmers still living in the antiquity bullied by imperialist countries like the us

americans usually are blinded that they themselves are the villains

they scream democracy and equal rights

when they massacre thousands during the boxer rebellion

[orchid totem]

i am Chinese

What's going on

[summer parcel]

they scream human rights when they go to war in other countries and bomb children

[gaunt bronze]

The question on China’s corruption!

[summer parcel]

the americans are hating on us with hyprocitical comments

[summer parcel]

yeah right angela

germany isnt corrupt

[gaunt bronze]

If only that was true.

[summer parcel]

you never stepped foot in china

i have

i have seen how much china has changed

[orchid totem]

really

[summer parcel]

no

[orchid totem]

Which country is not corrupt

[summer parcel]

every country

[gaunt bronze]

Obviously.

[orchid totem]

Who can guarantee that there is no such problem

[summer parcel]

but these people specifically hate china

for some reason

[gaunt bronze]

obviously none, but there’s a drive for china specifically

[orchid totem]

Don't have double standards

[gaunt bronze]

Maybe because it is a hegemonic challenge to the United States

[summer parcel]

exactly

which part of china are you from

[gaunt bronze]

however it’s obvious that the people republic of china still has so much it can improve on

[summer parcel]

exactly

hard to find a western such open-minded

[orchid totem]

France can directly receive gifts legally, so there is no corruption

[summer parcel]

we chinese dont hate america

we love america

[orchid totem]

right？

[summer parcel]

we call it meiguo

beautiful country

[gaunt bronze]

It’s the same way the other way. Americans don’t hate Chinese, they hate the politburo.

[orchid totem]

Every country is

[summer parcel]

no they dont

[orchid totem]

Whether it is an authoritarian country or a democratic country

[summer parcel]

online they say chinese people bad

have no manners

scream and yell alot

[gaunt bronze]

every country can obviously improve but if you use something like the 16 global goals as a criterion, it’s obvious china lags behind modern democratic nations

[summer parcel]

they take small percentage and say every chinese like that

[orchid totem]

What aspects

[gaunt bronze]

Nuances Die on the internet

[orchid totem]

human rights？

[summer parcel]

i agree

[gaunt bronze]

search up the 17 global goals, and that too

[summer parcel]

the countryside really needs to be improved

no hospital or infastracture

[gaunt bronze]

China faces human rights issues, and ironically, equity & equality problems even though it’s very socialist

[summer parcel]

but itts better

[gaunt bronze]

^^^^ this sums it up perfectly

I think the opinion that u have of American ppl is very skewed. it’s not true that they hate Chinese ppl or anything like that

[summer parcel]

well im currently outside of china so i can use worldwide internet

[gaunt bronze]

It’s just the internet is a breeding ground for hate speech & the minority that hates Chinese ppl

[summer parcel]

and i join this server to perfect english

and first thing i see it people saying ccp bad

china corrupt

i dont like argue

[gaunt bronze]

But OFC data would opposé my opinion: Americans fear the competition that China brings and its other crises. but that’s not to say they hate the Chinese specifically, it’s more geared towards the government

[summer parcel]

but if people lie and hate i will have negative view towards western

[summer parcel]

competition good thing

[gaunt bronze]

not when a country decides to cheat and steal

[summer parcel]

chinese people welcome competition but america is still simple minded

thinking they number 1 forever

[gaunt bronze]

I mean I’m opposed to China’s system of government, but that doesn’t at all mean I have hate for the people there.

[summer parcel]

america?

they steal taiwan chip

and say its theirs

and open factories in america to be better than us

taiwan is china

[gaunt bronze]

I would say that being rude and calling them
simple minded’ is too generalised and makes you no different than the Americans who decide to be rude to China.

[summer parcel]

taiwan's chip is china's chip

[summer parcel]

i retract my previous comment

i shouldnt be on the same level as them

[gaunt bronze]

It’s because their theory that free trade would make China democratic failed. It only strengthened China and now there’s a hegemonic stand off.

[summer parcel]

a centralized government has its benefits

and its flaws

just like democracy

[gaunt bronze]

Way more problems than benefits.

[gaunt bronze]

Democracy is the best-worst form of government!

[summer parcel]

i wouldnt say that

[gaunt bronze]

It’s rude to generalise 360 million people, as it is to rude to generalise 1.4 billion people.

[summer parcel]

i open wechat

and see america protest

[gaunt bronze]

They are the closest to fitting the criterion of an ideal society.

[summer parcel]

america people angry

[gaunt bronze]

Democracy in action. 🥰

[summer parcel]

why always angry

[gaunt bronze]

It would seem weird but it’s democracy.

[summer parcel]

why not live life

why not go to job

but strike and no money

i dont comprehend

[gaunt bronze]

They strike to get raises and stuff!

[summer parcel]

why go hungry when u have job

[gaunt bronze]

It’s all democracy in action. EVEN blocking roads is democracy in action.

[summer parcel]

african people are starving

[gaunt bronze]

I don’t think most protests do that 😭

[summer parcel]

and u want more

[summer parcel]

public disorder

i support palestine

[gaunt bronze]

It is actually a good thing.

[summer parcel]

but i dont go on street screaming death to israel

and waving flag

[gaunt bronze]

It means that people can express their thoughts freely, that the government can learn and that there can be mutual respect and diplomacy built!

[summer parcel]

and block road and people are angry at me

[summer parcel]

america doesnt listen to its people

[gaunt bronze]

In the U.S. freedom of speech is a bit far imo but yea,

[gaunt bronze]

They do. Even if it would seem negative.

[summer parcel]

they say ceasefire in palestine

[gaunt bronze]

If the government doesn’t listen to its people, then what government is it?!

[summer parcel]

no one wants war

but america votes in favor of war

i dont understand

[gaunt bronze]

Not everyone agrees. The government probably has to be careful with their foreign policy.

[summer parcel]

support israel?

[gaunt bronze]

Oh they’re such hypocrites sometimes, but Ik they’re supporting humanitarian aid to Gaza

[gaunt bronze]

the US obviously can’t support Israel only (it’s clear they’re bias to them though)

[summer parcel]

but send weapons to israel

i dont understand

[gaunt bronze]

That was before the war,

[summer parcel]

america is very complicated

[gaunt bronze]

And the US would’ve expected Israel to follow international law

IF they had used that weapons

[summer parcel]

but they knew about the human rights abuses

[gaunt bronze]

Ofc they didn’t now, but it would have been strategic then

[summer parcel]

it currently doesnt

bombing hospitals isnt very geneva convention

[gaunt bronze]

That isn’t specifically related to selling weapons & the US—as strong as it is—can only do so much

[gaunt bronze]

it isn’t, but you can also condemn Hamas for its abhorrent attacks

It annoys me when ppl wholly support just Palestine or Israel

like it’s ridiculous

[summer parcel]

hey i dont hate jews

i think solution to problem

is 2 state

[gaunt bronze]

Agreed

A fair two state solution

But that seems very unlikely atm

[summer parcel]

because jews hate muslims and muslims hate jews

[gaunt bronze]

It’s rooted in stupid nationalism

[summer parcel]

why live together

[summer parcel]

yes

[gaunt bronze]

Both peoples’ claim to that area

[summer parcel]

there are ultra-nationalists

[gaunt bronze]

in both states and it’s horrible

[summer parcel]

i agree

[gaunt bronze]

Part of the reason y it’s been so hard to get the engine of the two state solution running

Like Palestinian extremists BOMBED Israel

[summer parcel]

is hate

hate is the root of all evil

[gaunt bronze]

And when the Israeli prime minister tried to promote the two state solution ISRAELI extrémiste assassinated him

[gaunt bronze]

And hate is caused in this case by nationalism

[summer parcel]

middle east too difficult

always instability

and fighting

[gaunt bronze]

Oh it’s terrible

Havoc from the treaty of Versailles

[summer parcel]

root of is comes back to the imperialists

[gaunt bronze]

yessss

[summer parcel]

drawing borders without considering the people living there

[gaunt bronze]

That’s exactly what the treaty of Versailles tried to do

[summer parcel]

language, religion, cultural differences

same thing in africa

[gaunt bronze]

And the Paris peace conference: draw borders without consideration

[gaunt bronze]

Africa, Middle East,

Even China Japan Europe Oceania

[summer parcel]

before it was empires and countries with the same people culture

religion

[gaunt bronze]

I would disagree,

like the British empire had so many different cultures

[summer parcel]

why

[summer parcel]

cus they cut african empires up

[gaunt bronze]

Other empires too, it isn’t sustainable

[summer parcel]

not imperalists

what i mean is countries

[gaunt bronze]

the British empire epitomised imperialism 😭

[summer parcel]

before imperialist arived

[gaunt bronze]

even countries before imperialism faced the problem of stability

Look at China itself: all those battles long ago and dynasties

Trying to “unite” China

[summer parcel]

i agree

what i meant is kingdoms all around africa

[gaunt bronze]

The fact is imperialism is akin to our need for air in history

[summer parcel]

being cut up

[gaunt bronze]

That was horrible

[summer parcel]

and their people seperated between borders

[gaunt bronze]

Like the German colonies, and the European powers literally TRADING their colonies as if they were cards or something 😭 disgusting

[summer parcel]

i agree

[gaunt bronze]

Sudan, Rwanda?

[summer parcel]

but this is the past

we must focus on the present and future

[gaunt bronze]

lots to learn from it though!

[summer parcel]

yes

[gaunt bronze]

But one thing is clear: we need peace 🕊️

Whether ur Chinese or American or Israeli or Palestinian

[summer parcel]

i agree

peace brings stabiility

[gaunt bronze]

We must work to ensure everyone has access to opportunities and not be deprived of fundamental freedoms and rights, and promote the Earth’s health and world peace ❤️

[summer parcel]

anyways if u dont mind sharing which european country u are from

[gaunt bronze]

I’m actually from Canada

[summer parcel]

westerners such openminded is very rare i see online

canada very good

i went to vancouver twice

very welcoming people

[gaunt bronze]

Oh there’s ppl way more open minded than me! it’s just the internet makes the annoying ones get a much bigger voice 🙄

[summer parcel]

i like

[gaunt bronze]

Omg that must’ve been rlly nice

[summer parcel]

yes

city very clean no crime

[gaunt bronze]

I’ve never visited China but I’d love to visit Shanghai

[summer parcel]

yes

[gaunt bronze]

😭 there’s a drug crisis going there rn but it isn’t that obvious if u just visit

[summer parcel]

i dont recommend metropolis personally

or countryside either

[summer parcel]

drug

what drug

[gaunt bronze]

Opioid I think

[summer parcel]

coughing syrup shortage

cus of flu season?

[gaunt bronze]

I’m not sure

It’s just there was an opioid crisis in the US

and it kind of immigrated to Canada, specifically BC

[summer parcel]

what is opiod

opium

[gaunt bronze]

A weird drug idk

[summer parcel]

what is this

i find this online: As of Jan. 31, 2023, all adults 18 and older in BC will be able to possess up to 2.5 grams of certain illicit substances without being subject to fines, arrest or drug seizures.

why

why i dont understand

there is so much i have to learn

bye bye nice talking to you

[thorny steeple]

Which part was confusing?

[thorny steeple]

Hi intellectuals

[cerulean ore]

What a fascinating way to shut down or avoid having discussion on govt. questionable courses of actions.

People really seem to forget that criticizing a government's policies or actions is not the same as attacking an entire race of people

[feral river]

Yes, but nobody like to hear a rumor.

for me you picked a point that we actually have this problem it's criticizing and it's okay.

but it doesn't mean it's okay that you don't even know how it was and you are criticizing by your imagine.

and the another point is correct, criticizing a government's policies or actions is not the same as attacking an entire race of people.

but sometimes it has links to it, just like you are criticizing Donald Trump and some Republicans will unhappy.

[thorny steeple]

The only one who like rumor is mass media

[feral river]

you are criticizing Xi jinping, some Chinese people also will unhappy it's the same thing.

[thorny steeple]

They like brainwashing people

[feral river]

but I don't care I also criticizing Xi jinping, no any politician is perfect.

[feral river]

50g heroin then you will be sentenced to death.

no exceptions.

[thorny steeple]

Well true but China is becoming more authoritarian

[feral river]

yes that point I agreed, but it doesn't mean that it's a bad signal to us.

[thorny steeple]

A heart without mercy hurts people.

[thorny steeple]

And China and it's looting too remember America isn't the only place where looting happens

[feral river]

China's looting case is much much less than america even europe.

by percentage.

[thorny steeple]

Indeed it only happens in events places

looting for oil by America?

[feral river]

yes. like during pandemic.

[cerulean ore]

It's not just a rumour; it's an analysis based on my understanding of the situation

The Chinese government is notorious for controlling the narrative and spinning information to suit their needs.

[thorny steeple]

The random lockdowns

[feral river]

well give me the further explain to me.

because it is not true.

controlling the narrative to suit their needs is correct but we have never spreading fake news.

don't think people in China is fools.

[thorny steeple]

narrative means scenario?

[feral river]

nobody likes a government which spreading fake news.

unless it's an totalitarian one, North Korea, Nazi Germany.

because they can do that without any cost.

[cerulean ore]

Nobody said that. Also, there's no point in arguing with someone who's already biased regarding the related subject or unwilling to listen.

[feral river]

yes, there's no point in arguing with someone who's already biased regarding the related subject or unwilling to listen.

give that back to you because I'm talking the truth, I already agreed one of your point.

but like you don't even know and you spread rumors, like they spreading fake news, it's bullshit.

can you please tell me what are the fake news they are spreading ?

[silver vault]

Wasn't the topic about China not being communist party?

[thorny steeple]

damn

[feral river]

yes both.

[thorny steeple]

everytime i come here i see the word '' China'' 😭

W China

[feral river]

I said some of his point is correct because they indeed controling the narrative to suit their needs, but it doesn't mean that they are spreading fake news.

[silver vault]

No, 'narrative' doesn't mean 'scenario.' It refers to the story or explanation that's being told about a particular event or situation

[thorny steeple]

Ohhh That was easy to understand more than google's explanation. Thank you

[feral river]

spreading fake news is really bullshit because it's inefficient and it has risks to spread it.

so I guess I don't need to give a further explain.

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https://tenor.com/view/fake-news-trump-gif-22804577

[feral river]

maybe a company willing to spread fake news because they can earn money.

that is so damn true.

[thorny steeple]

Almost people making shit for making money, don't they?

[feral river]

some people don't I guess but most people do that like but making money is not as simple as you make.

risk, profit, and cost.

[feral river]

those 3 major factors decide it's a good deal or not.

well I have a statement because it's my thought, it's not from the school or media even books.

[thorny steeple]

In making money, plans and products are important, but I think relationships play a big role.

[feral river]

I consider plans and products as part of cost, relationships also plays a big role in risk.

that's why I gave out 3 major factors called risk, profit, and cost.

everything can fit those factors like you mentioned the plans products and relationships.

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ouu nazi germany

I see

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It was a dictatorship different people

[feral river]

I think it's not important 🤣

if we all have better lives who the fuck will care politics.

[thorny steeple]

Well people sure gloss over facts

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Well yea makes sense

[feral river]

people's happiness comes from the increment, not stay as well.

we all wants to make politician work, work hard, work for our live.

because they can literally choose our future.

they have that power and right, so they need to take more responsibility.

that's why I said the more power you have the more responsibility you take.

that means you have to be responsible for yourself, your family, your friends, your teammates, your party even your nation.

the more irresponsibility you are the more power you lose.

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oh

[wild acorn]

thanks god im not muslim

[thick pike]

@wild acorn Why are you thanking?

[wild acorn]

because I'm not a Muslim

even the pasta monster is more real than Allah

[thick pike]

@wild acorn What re you then? 😶‍🌫️

[wild acorn]

I am Human

[thorny steeple]

What do christians think about film of Prince of Egypt?

[sterile cosmos]

Are you from Egypt ?

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No Turkey

[thick pike]

Glad to know. I am human too.

[orchid totem]

e

too abstract

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well

Why does Türkiye think it is Turkic

[thorny steeple]

Because we are turkic

[orchid totem]

wtf

Are Turkic people not in northern China

[lament river]

Hey

[thick pike]

China might claim turkey as their ancient territory 😅

[orchid totem]

not yet

They were recorded in ancient times as

[thorny steeple]

We have got same common roots

Olur languages are very similar for example

Because we are grandchildrens of turkics who immigrate to Anatolia

[tall sundial]

Hmmm haughtily

[feral river]

?

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Hi intellectuals

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Chinese territory reached its greatest extent in Qing Empire.

it even not reached to Iran.

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True

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How 🤣

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Expansion is policy of China, to surpress their neighbour.

[feral river]

awesome.

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It's because in past china is humiliated

[feral river]

why don't just claim the world

[feral river]

China is only being humiliated by mongols and western powers after opium war ?

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India too,but ccp awaked Chinese people. But in india ,indians are still sleeping and like west

🤣

[feral river]

well I think here is a huge progress regarding economic development in India

still potential great powers.

[thorny steeple]

Yaa, but still not upto it's potential as china did,indian education system, Medical system and administration system is corrupt

India is suffering through toxic capitalism

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Yaa,if govt of India solve some major problems so offcourse

[feral river]

I guess, and they got a enemy neighbor called Parkistan.

a country with nuclear weapons

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Pakistan is failed state now.

[feral river]

they are democratic regime I think ? I don't think their leader have that power to change everything in India.

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Main problem is illegal immigrants from Myanmar

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Myanmar civil war, I know that.

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Yaa india is

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Hm, federalism is main problem too.

[thorny steeple]

Good leaders are always surpressed

[feral river]

a lot religion, federalism, democratic.

still divisive.

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And radicalisation too

[feral river]

the more divisive they are the more hard they face when they change their situation.

[radiant siren]

hellooo

[thorny steeple]

India always utilize bad things of democracy never took benefit

[radiant siren]

Is it normal to see this Discord thing overwhelmingly distracting

[feral river]

the benefit of democracy is fault tolerance, deradicalization.

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finally

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Hm

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Main problem is population is alot

And democracy failed in high populated country

That's why democracy is almost failed in asia

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I think the real democracy only exists in some european countries, and Canada, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Singapore etc.

even the US is not real democracy.

[thorny steeple]

Where population is less

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Today u can make people slave and change their opinion by media

So,what leaders want people have openion that .

So democracy doesn't work

[feral river]

the point is they have that swing states, some states like California only votes for democratic.

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Same in india

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so whatever you vote for republicans or democratic

you can't change that.

it's not like in Taiwan, people votes president in number is the factor they can win the election.

that is real democracy.

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True

[feral river]

I think you either do full democracy like I mentioned, or just go authoritarian like us.

[thorny steeple]

We are in mid

Distroyed

[feral river]

there is no prefect system exist in the world. only the fittest system exist in the world.

every system has pros and cons.

[thorny steeple]

Yaa but there are some communist insurgents backed by China

[feral river]

yeah like Khmer Rouge is China-backed government

even that government massacred their own people

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And there are some groups want theorocracy

[feral river]

but we don't care that it's not our shit.

[feral river]

Islamists ?

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[feral river]

they got one

see Taliban and ISIS

[thorny steeple]

They beleive that oneday india will be conquered by Pakistan

🤣

[feral river]

ridiculous

I think there is no Pakistan if the british didn't pull out that freaking plan.

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Yes, some hindu groups want india as hindu nation by constitution as india is secular

[orchid totem]

😅

[feral river]

the great British RAJ, including India, Myanmar, Bangladish and Parkistan

if the RAJ independent not the India, I think that's more stronger you are.

[orchid totem]

kk

India is a country even more magical than China

[feral river]

I know that I guess. I live in China

[thorny steeple]

These other countries are now turning to Islamic nation except Myanmar. And india too, on the way to civil war

[orchid totem]

i am Chinese too

[thorny steeple]

As radicalisation is increasing

[thorny steeple]

Oh

[orchid totem]

India has not experienced major changes like China's