🧠｜serious-chat

[feral river]

because they did something terrible that destabilize our society and divides our people

[fathom vine]

It’s lovely country by the way

[broken birch]

Tell me when did it conflict, btw im not talking about the theories that still under development

[feral river]

you know we are an authoritarian state, we don’t allow those minorities take any power in our country

[ancient walrus]

btw, i do not know much about china because i don't see chinese people at all online

most people are atheists there, right?

[feral river]

90%

90% of people are atheists

[ancient walrus]

is it also like, in the education system?

[fathom vine]

There are Muslim that still believe Earth is flat
There are that belive Sun rotate to Earth.
And there are some that believe Moon have its own light and it doesn’t reflect it from Sun

[fathom vine]

[feral river]

of course

[broken birch]

For example, Darwin's theories conflicts with our religion so we didn't believe in it, and then Darwin's theories got rejected
But the big bang does not conflict with our religion so we believe that it might ve true

[feral river]

but our education system sucks

🤣

[broken birch]

Believe me that type of Muslims are killing me

[broken birch]

Its true that its not flat, and that type of people thinks taht they understand what was written in Qur'an very well

[feral river]

we just don’t need minorities and refugees something we care ourselves and our government only do something benefits our own people

that’s why I support them

[fathom vine]

I mean they say some verses from quran that have 30 diferent meanings
I dont know Quran so they might be either stupid or lying.

[ancient walrus]

iirc, china and iran have good relations, but two countries have a very different stance on religion, which makes me wonder

[feral river]

because one country you know

the United States

Iran is anti-US nation

so we are allies 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[broken birch]

Search for alhasan ibn alhaitham, he is the one who said that objects observe light

[ancient walrus]

so, enemy of my enemy is my friend logic?

[feral river]

yes

[broken birch]

And that's why we can see it

[fathom vine]

Because they are dictatorship countries. We all know they don’t promote Religions thats why most of you are Atheists

[ancient walrus]

what's your view in christianity

[warped scroll]

Cut the bs and don't made something up from ur ass you little shit It's not about any religion It's about education level Also Holy Quran mentioned about shape of the earth

[broken birch]

• he is the one who created the first camera

[feral river]

well I don’t care but they don’t do something terrible to us actually

[broken birch]

And he was Muslim too

[ancient walrus]

there are dicta countries that are ruled with religion as well, e.g. iran

[feral river]

so we can allow them to live in our state

unlike muslims they are terrible and they are literally threat to our state

[subtle anchor]

hey

[fathom vine]

@feral river now this is the type of Muslim that is a threat for our countries that we dont believe in religions

[ancient walrus]

i think that is a violation of Discord TOS

[broken birch]

Dude relax

[feral river]

well, no ?

[fathom vine]

This is true as well

[subtle anchor]

looks like some debate is going on can step in?!

[broken birch]

Tell me when did Qur'an said that earth is flat

[ancient walrus]

i am fine with people from all religions as long as they do not pose a threat to the state's secular nature

[fathom vine]

Feel free to join. Becareful with words some Muslims can be pretty angry

[feral river]

well just like Palestine is a threat to Israel

that’s a simple fact that you can’t deny

so they need to eliminate the threats

[subtle anchor]

bro read history first

[warped scroll]

How ignorant and arrogant person You must be get educated for being like this

[subtle anchor]

this tells us that you are an extremist one here

[feral river]

I don’t need to read because they are freaking losers

I don’t respect losers

ok ?

[subtle anchor]

not even industry leaders like ford?!

[feral river]

and I do know history very well

[broken birch]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.net/amp/blogs/2019/1/10/%25D9%2583%25D8%25B1%25D9%2588%25D9%258A%25D8%25A9-%25D8%25A7%25D9%2584%25D8%25A3%25D8%25B1%25D8%25B6-%25D9%2588%25D8%25AF%25D9%2588%25D8%25B1%25D8%25A7%25D9%2586%25D9%2587%25D8%25A7-%25D8%25A5%25D8%25B9%25D8%25AC%25D8%25A7%25D8%25B2-%25D8%25B9%25D9%2584%25D9%2585%25D9%258A-%25D9%2588%25D8%25B3%25D8%25A8%25D9%2582
@warped scroll

[warped scroll]

Who the fckn care your countries that can't live without killing innocent people and steal their underground resources

[subtle anchor]

nah man i don't think so

[fathom vine]

yes yes u always right okay okay

[feral river]

you don’t need to think I don’t respect losers

and I also don’t respect someone who cares losers

[broken birch]

?

[ancient walrus]

are you a member of the ccp?

[feral river]

loser

L

[feral river]

no

I’m not 🤣🤣🤣

[ancient walrus]

is discord banned in china

[subtle anchor]

thats "ila" and theres difference

[warped scroll]

If watch ur words No one will be angry low iq thing

[feral river]

yes discord banned in China but we can easily access them with VPN

[ancient walrus]

i would say you using a virtual proxy is against the state policy, thus illegal

[subtle anchor]

and by all means do not abuse your freedom of speach you know the rules

[ancient walrus]

which is not ideal of you from a chinese citizen

[feral river]

thank you to the government too👍👍👍👍

[warped scroll]

I never said that Santa

[fathom vine]

U don’t even know what country we are from chill Allah dont like angry people or those who threat. Be nice and gentle

[feral river]

sick

[fathom vine]

Screaming and insulting doesn’t mean u right lol

[subtle anchor]

translate!?

[warped scroll]

No matter country Matter is lack of personality

[broken birch]

@fathom vine
Sorry but if you can translate this you will understand the confusion when some Muslims say that Qur'an said that earth is flat

[feral river]

hey are you from China too ?

[fathom vine]

U have put the word wrong in here “Terrorist”
U either dont know the meaning or u stupid to know it and not being able to use it

[subtle anchor]

wait until the day of judgement

you will see and we all will see

[warped scroll]

Santa don't offense Like fairy Superior than angel

[ancient walrus]

guys the xi jinping pfp guy is clearly a troll lol
just ignore him

[feral river]

they did not, and I guess there is a discrimination on Islam and muslims

[fathom vine]

Ooooh now u changed opinion

[feral river]

because they really did something terrible

make sense

[ancient walrus]

which vpn are you using i need some when i visit china

[warped scroll]

Nope still same But you can't understand

[feral river]

just like the germans who lose the ww2

[fathom vine]

Yes there is discrimination on Islam by stupid people that dont know what “Terrorist” mean

[subtle anchor]

mind your language do not display your pathetic mindset

[feral river]

I don’t care that but I do what I said

[civic reef]

Me and my limited knowledge of 漢字 due to studying japanese before are saying that this is a lot of characters

[feral river]

I don’t respect anyone who crying or begging for a loser

[subtle anchor]

use "Prophet" show some respect

[fathom vine]

Lol from insulting my country now u come at my personality i will not be surprised to be insulted after few mins

[feral river]

that’s really sick and you fucking deserve it

[subtle anchor]

is this what you were taught at home?!

[feral river]

I don’t respect anyone who crying or begging for a loser

[subtle anchor]

when nothing makes sense you start abusing?!

[real acorn]

Stop insulting.

[subtle anchor]

thats what you guys were taught in school and homes?!

not even worth my time

[feral river]

seems you are insulting back but stop

[ancient walrus]

i do not think they are representing the general population of china
i'd say most people do not care

[subtle anchor]

ignore the idiots

[feral river]

or I will join

[fathom vine]

This is Racism . U just a piece of shit

[warped scroll]

Like you did When I saw ur messages I thought u like getting insulting

[feral river]

well there is a racism in China and it’s the fact

[ancient walrus]

and mc is toxic so
i'm upset it ended up being a unfruitful convo tbh

[feral river]

the most important thing is we support racism in China

[ancient walrus]

lmao

[feral river]

because we are majority

[subtle anchor]

then you should also not care

[feral river]

90% of people are majority

not 50% or 30%

[real acorn]

Stop.

[ancient walrus]

what do you mean?

[feral river]

it’s 90%

[grim dome]

Some people endorse that behaviour unfortunately

[feral river]

GOOD DECISION EVER🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

that’s the most good decision ecer

[ancient walrus]

lol where really are you from though

[feral river]

ever🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[warped scroll]

Don't insult others If you don't like when others do to you

[feral river]

well China

[subtle anchor]

sorry i misread your username

[fathom vine]

U could have been smarter and try to show me that they was wrong and why they was wrong. And u could be chill and prove me wrong.

Dont be idiot . Didn’t your Allah teaches you to guide people and show them the religion?

[feral river]

and I respect the truth so I do admit our government did something terrible

[ancient walrus]

that is wrong
there are no chinese people on western internet

[feral river]

but they did for us, so I suppose them

[feral river]

oh you don’t something like VPN ?

[real acorn]

You refuse to

[feral river]

it’s easy to access western internet for us

[fathom vine]

He is being racist towards religion and discriminating Muslims and Islam which is stupidity and piece of shit like hem

[feral river]

just need to spent 5 USD a month

[ancient walrus]

i do not need because i live in a civilized society under a civilized state

[feral river]

then you are free to access them

[feral river]

that’s good but everything in here is okay and stable

no conflict between groups of people, stable society, almost no crimes

because we all the same people 🤣🤣🤣

we eliminated the minorities

[ancient walrus]

personally i would not want to live in china due to the autocratic nature of the state

well, i would definitely prefer china over iran or afghanistan or some other terrible countries but
i have better options

[fathom vine]

Because they not enough to make me believe

[ancient walrus]

why do you need to eliminate minorities lol

[feral river]

they destabilize our society and threats national security

[warped scroll]

You can't understand even I tell bc you're not open minded
Even don't know who does what
Yeah yeah u r smarter and cool bc u r atheist, u r free and happy no need any religion I'm pity oon you

[feral river]

that’s a easy question

[ancient walrus]

here in Europe, we respect the chinese minority

[feral river]

eliminate them is the perfect choice for solve this problem forever

[feral river]

oh good but we do not

because we care ourselves not other states

[ancient walrus]

that shows that you have not developed enough as a society

[subtle anchor]

quite genocidic mindset i must say!

[warped scroll]

Don't insult if you don't like getting insulting Don't Mother nature teach you?

[feral river]

well not, we care ourselves and we don’t need them at all

we all support this policy and it’s the best ever

[real acorn]

You told us that your grandfather and your father is a Muslim, Have they ever taught you about Islam?

[feral river]

because it benefits me

the most important thing is it benefits me

[fathom vine]

Did I said im Atheist??
U see u again assumed and put something on me . chill
Im not atheist I believe in God but thats all . I dont believe in religion. 2 different thing my angry Muslim friend

[feral river]

benefits me

I’m definitely gonna support a genocide if it’s benefits me

[ancient walrus]

what do you think of mao?

[feral river]

well he is terrible

mao is a totalitarian state leader and destroy everything we have

we don’t like him

[ancient walrus]

well, i thought you supported the chinese state?

[warped scroll]

Agnostic?
If you insult my religion What am I supposed to do? Superior Agnostic dude

[feral river]

chinese state oppose mao’s leadership

LMAO

[fathom vine]

Yes and it wasn’t enough for me to believe in your religion

[ancient walrus]

but i thought there are still pictures and posters of him most places lol

[fathom vine]

Where did I insulted ur religion?

[real acorn]

How can you believe in God, but didn't belive in religion?

[feral river]

why would I support a people doesn’t represent my interest

I support anyone represent my interest

and mao doesn’t represent

my interest is the most important thing ever

than anything

[real acorn]

How about studying more about Islam.

We

[feral river]

no, I’m definitely gonna support a genocide if it’s benefits me

[broken birch]

Ig that this chat went out of control

[feral river]

that was a simple logic

survival of the fittest

[subtle anchor]

well than count me in

[fathom vine]

U can believe in something that have created us Supernatural being which we call (God Allah etc etc)
Because science haven’t showed us something good to be believed. Which lead to God

But indont believe in religion lol . Religion and God are 2 diferent things . Religion in a path to god or follow rules etc etc and God is God why u have to be religious to believe in God?

[warped scroll]

What is this?

[broken birch]

You won't say the same thing if it was against you

[feral river]

of course

[ancient walrus]

it's strange and interesting to hear what toxic people actually say

they would never have the courage to say that irl lol

[broken birch]

Lol

[subtle anchor]

just like you i will stomp on everything that is a threat to me

[feral river]

but it do not against me

it do not against me 🤣

[broken birch]

Fr

To the jail directly

[feral river]

it against minorities not me i’m majority 🤣🤣🤣🤣🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

[warped scroll]

And this one?

[fathom vine]

Yeah something that i have seen and talked with different Muslim.
U can agree or dissagre with them . So its not insulting

[fathom vine]

Yep now u show me that is not true why is that an insult

Bro dont try to act like a victim

[warped scroll]

Quran said it's round

[ancient walrus]

do you support russia

[fathom vine]

How about u show me something i cant dissagre and we goo on .
With facts on it no storylines of thousands years ago

[real acorn]

I'm sorry that I can't, I'm still studying Islam.

[subtle anchor]

have you gone through existantial crisis?!

or have you ever "felt" it?!

[warped scroll]

I don't People like you have no border You can't even understand what is insulting what is talking about

[fathom vine]

There is a verse that says.
We give u a flat land to work on it “or something like that . I dont know it perfect which some Muslim have taken it as proofs of Earth being flat.
This was an argument that it was used towards me by a Muslim.

[feral river]

well no russia L

[ancient walrus]

benni where are you from btw

[warped scroll]

Never do that but u guys are victims System plays with you like ball but you can't even understand

[ancient walrus]

do you support any other country than china?

[feral river]

Japan, US, EU, other places

also amazing and I love there

[ancient walrus]

wait what? you support the US and EU, and Japan?

[feral river]

I ever been western countries and democratic nations

[feral river]

yeah they all amazing

[fathom vine]

Yes something that made me believe in God i dont wanna talk about it . But it was Supernatural

[ancient walrus]

you are a very strange person
you like the totalitarian prc rule and democratic western nations at the same time lol

[subtle anchor]

can i dm you!?

[feral river]

I said we do have freedom because we are majority 🤣🤣🤣

why you guys think we don’t have freedom in China

minorities don’t have freedom but we have

[subtle anchor]

as we all carry a past we can't disclose in public~!

[fathom vine]

wanna drink a vodka?or tea?

[feral river]

PRC rule is not totalitarian

it’s authoritarian

[ancient walrus]

so you mean only chinese race has the right to exist?

[feral river]

no one likes totalitarian

[warped scroll]

Tea As I'm doing now

[feral river]

no I don’t mean that but chinese race has the right to exist in China because we are the most powerful group in there

I also respect other races, but don’t affect our places

[fathom vine]

Oh no it was nothing about the past .
It just happened 2-3 times at night something that it made me believe in God . Nothing about the past or something like that

[subtle anchor]

well for majority its a past

[feral river]

an authoritarian rule has drawbacks and advantages

not only drawbacks

[ancient walrus]

so, if i understood correctly

you like japan&eu&us because they are democratic states and chinese minority is respected
you like prc because, chinese majority is respected, even if minorities are treated terribly

[fathom vine]

I would like vodka but i cant have it in my house. My mother is very Muslim and u guys don’t tolerate alcohol in house

I dont like it

[feral river]

yes it’s selfish but it’s good

[ancient walrus]

i've already been aware of the fact that you only care about yourself 5 minutes into our conversation, but wanted to double check

[fathom vine]

Maybe i dont know .

[feral river]

well I said I care ourselves not others

[subtle anchor]

well now you know

[ancient walrus]

hehe, not many people will think highly of you here

especially considering you might be the only chinese person here

[fathom vine]

[feral river]

democratic nation also has some drawbacks

[warped scroll]

Is there any benefit of alcohol when compare its damages? She protects you Bc after alcohol comes drugs etc.

[feral river]

not all the bad things on authoritarian, and not all the good things on democratic

[feral river]

I don’t care it’s my shit🤣🇨🇳

[warped scroll]

Keep drinking tea

[ancient walrus]

would you rather live in china or japan

[feral river]

JAPAN

[ancient walrus]

lmaoo

[fathom vine]

Benefit no but it wouldn’t harm also if u drink a glass of wine or a shot of vodka

[feral river]

because it was more prosperous than China🤣🤣🤣🤣

[ancient walrus]

i'd like to see what would happen if you told japanese people your beliefs

[feral river]

we all wants to live in a prosperous area aren’t we ?

[feral river]

I told and they respects me

[ancient walrus]

i like to believe we have evolved as humans to show empathy for others as well

[feral river]

because our interest do not cause conflict

we respect both interests

[ancient walrus]

yes, it's a very known fact that the chinese state and japanese state get along very well /s

[warped scroll]

Many people say the same lies themselves End of the day they'll be addicted or something like Don't mock each other pls One shot is never enough

[fathom vine]

They would see u as a weird person

[feral river]

yeah I ever been Japan before that is an amazing state ever

just like Singapore

[ancient walrus]

you just care about what benefits you personally lol
if they told you to put an end to someone's life for 1m$ , and that you wouldn't get caught, i am worried that you might just accept the offer

[feral river]

and I’m preparing to go Japan again in next year

[feral river]

if it’s not the someone I care, accepted

definitely accepted

what a good deal ever

[fathom vine]

Many yes but few no
I have been bartender for few years drinking alcohol but never been adicted lol.
If u have strong mentality nothing can be adicted to you

[feral river]

but I can’t take it if it’s my friend or my family

I can’t take it at all, whatever you added more money on it

[ancient walrus]

i now have a better grasp of your mentality, it is very interesting to see the inner thoughts of someone like you
normally, humans have the morality to deny and refuse such requests, even if it is someone they have never seen

if you are not trolling, you just have a mental health problem

[warped scroll]

Okay good luck At least quit it until get married or something else

[feral river]

I think I don’t need to accept your standards of mental health

[fathom vine]

I drink it only when we celebrate something and get drunk at least once a year

[ancient walrus]

it does not change the factuality of my statement

i do not have much more to contribute to the conversation, apart from suggesting you visit a psychiatric specialist, i hope they exist in china

[feral river]

I didn’t visit ever because I’m good

I’m a middle class in China

I can go wherever I want

I have money and a lot of friends, a good family

[ancient walrus]

i doubt that, but sure

[feral river]

I’m very healthy

🤣

[pallid owl]

he's good alright. i'd do it for 100k

[feral river]

well I can do it for 100k too but it’s the lowest

I can’t do it for 99k even

not a good deal for lower than 100k

[ancient walrus]

*Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD or APD)* is a personality disorder characterized by a limited capacity for empathy and a long-term pattern of disregard or violation of the rights of others.[3][4] Other notable symptoms include impulsivity and reckless behavior (including substance abuse), a lack of remorse after hurting others, deceitfulness, irresponsibility, and aggressive behavior.[

you are an exact match to this description, so

[feral river]

oh don’t use your standard to regulate me🤣🤣🤣

[warped scroll]

Glad to hear that
Also heavy drugs don't care strong mentality

[feral river]

I pursue my personal prosperity

not other’s

[ancient walrus]

it is well regulated here, you would be under surveillance if the state knew of your condition lol

[feral river]

of course I know I’m under surveillance and I’m glad that I’m under surveillance

because the surveillance make society stable

make everything better

it perfectly prevents crime

[fathom vine]

Im against heavy drugs. But everything start with something small that they can’t even control their self.

Which lead to having a strong mentality will never lead u to addiction

[feral river]

and it was controlled by government

the government work for majority

and we are majority 🤣🤣🤣🤣🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳

government work for me

please more surveillance, especially on minorities

[ancient walrus]

you yourself have admitted you would commit a heavy crime (murder) for your profit (financial gain) if you would not get caught, so the state has the right to treat you as a criminal/ or a mentally unstable individual/ threat to society

[thorny steeple]

I don't think surveillance is right, especially for domestic abuse victims that rely on encryption.

[feral river]

oh nonono, if it commits crime I’m definitely not going to do that

because a crime punish me for doing that

it’s not worth it

not a good deal if it triggers crime

[thorny steeple]

Criminals are not all evil.

Some are falsely prosecuted.

[warped scroll]

Yes they do
I mean little things cause leak of mentality after that start use something that they don't etc.

[feral river]

well, actually they do have some good things

because they work for us, they make surveillance for OUR security

so I support them

I’m definitely not going to support them if they are not working for us

[ancient walrus]

you have already admitted you would do it #🧠｜serious-chat message
you have the intent to do it

[feral river]

because you didn’t have a statement on it

[thorny steeple]

Government is evil when it takes your right to speak about what you want (AKA freedom of expression), so I do not support surveillance

[feral river]

and I don’t care

[feral river]

well as I said, they won’t suppress our voice because we are majority

you actually do have limited freedom in here

[ancient walrus]

the state represents the general good for the public, and your intentions are a threat to it because you are so selfish you would take someone else's life for your own good
naturally, the state is against you

[feral river]

no our state is not against me but you are trying to against me by your words

and you are failed

[ancient walrus]

the chinese state has nothing to do with me, i am not a citizen of prc nor a resident of china
(well you changed the comment so, mine doesn't make sense anymore lol)

[pallid owl]

whos tha bloke. hope he success

[fathom vine]

How u know that

[feral river]

the US will eliminate them instead by us 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

L

only one word

[real acorn]

@thorny steeple Just ignore all of these people.

[feral river]

Loser

[ancient walrus]

he is just as bad, he's promoting hate speech

[real acorn]

Mhm

[feral river]

that’s the natural human being

anyone who is not selfish is already dead

[thorny steeple]

The hard part is that people will never change their opinions. My dad is a trump supporter and I want out of here so bad.

[feral river]

and I DO admit I’m a extremist on selfish

[thorny steeple]

No.

[real acorn]

No, stop.

[feral river]

and I literally make my life better

[ancient walrus]

no, it is not
i have already provided a medical description for people like you, Antisocial personality disorder

[thorny steeple]

Yes I am a woman 😒

[feral river]

ask chatgpt on this simple question

[pallid owl]

big deal

[ancient walrus]

ahh, i know the feeling

[real acorn]

Don't speak without knowledge.

...

[thorny steeple]

I just hope one day I can seek aslyum from my family.

(To get away from them)

[ancient walrus]

i hope the best for you
are you in a dem state?

[thorny steeple]

No. Misery (pun intended) 😭

[feral river]

you can label me by those simple words

and you did

[ancient walrus]

ahh,

[feral river]

so what are you ?

[ancient walrus]

it's not just a label, it is an accurate medical description

[feral river]

what is your intention to do that

wait wait wait what is your intention to do that

for your interest?

probably not ?

[ancient walrus]

i have general anxiety, so i can label myself as a person with General Anxiety Disorder (GAD)
i know my condition and i do get medical help for it

oh, and my condition does not pose a threat to the general public

[feral river]

well that’s okay but it’s really sus if you label someone easily

[thorny steeple]

I don't just have anxiety myself. I have high-functioning autism which makes it even harder for me (And more I won't state) as I'm partially mentally disabled.

[real acorn]

What's wrong with you?

[thorny steeple]

Chameleon

[real acorn]

Stay on the right path.

[feral river]

I don’t label anyone who is not my enemy

including you

why would I oppose you if you are not my enemy?

so why you label me easily even it’s unrecognized

[ancient walrus]

i see, i can understand the pain

[real acorn]

May Allah guide us.

[feral river]

@ancient walrus yo don’t ignore that

answer the questions

[thorny steeple]

High school was REALLY hard for me, but I won't get into why as I probably will not vent here. (It was traumatic, and now I might have PTSD)

[ancient walrus]

i am not labelling you, it is just a medical description
you likely have the condition so why should not i state it?

[feral river]

?

?????

[ancient walrus]

i do not see what you mean

[feral river]

?

[thorny steeple]

this specific message caught my attention honestly. I find myself inclined to provide an explanation for what you're seeing right now.
if you look at the universe and nature around you, you'll find that almost everything is governed by one or more laws. given this fact, we can inductively draw the conclusion that even humans should have some sort of a law that governs them. this law is definitely religion. we innately have a moral agent that defines for us what is accepted and what is not, without religion, i.e., with atheism, morality then becomes subjective, and therefore personal moral agents are not to be trusted as objective compass. this crisis leads some atheists to deny morality as a whole, believing in only personal interests, even though sometimes morality conflates hard with personal interests, such as risking your life to save another.
the point of my message is not to convince you that God exists or not, but what I'm aiming to establish is the fact that without religions, everything is chaos, and people will one way or another be slaves to something, if not God, then their own whims and desires.

[feral river]

I literally said don’t use your standard to regulate me why would you force use your standard to label me as a mental ill person ?

I was getting offended by this

do you really respect other people ?

I’m considering funding more money on Israeli military company’s stocks

well actually and i’m the holder, a retail holder 🤣

[ancient walrus]

i do see the reason behind your message, but i am opposed to your opinion

i believe morale is a humane value, comes installed by default
humans are born with empathy (apart from some medical conditions), we feel physically sick when we do something inhumane / immoral, this prevents us from this behavior

if religion is the sole reason someone is not commiting a crime, i wouldnt count that person moral. or, if the sole reason some person is doing a good deed is to get to heaven, i would not count that person moral

[feral river]

but I’m funding Israel

and it worked ! I took huge profit on it

like 3000 USD not more 🤣🤣🤣

[ancient walrus]

it's ironic this message is coming from you

its funny you were insulting bunch of people here, and only complained when it bit you

[feral river]

oh so, it was perfectly proved you have a discrimination on me

[ancient walrus]

i actually have the decency of respecting other human beings, thus i can answer your question by, yes, i respect other people
if you got so offended that i provided an accurate medical description for your condition, in order to help you, i can not see how i could handle things better

[feral river]

could you give me an example of insulting people in here ?

[feral river]

well you are avoiding my question and make more false statements on me

[ancient walrus]

#🧠｜serious-chat message
we eliminated the minorities
not just insult, but a fatal threat, and being proud in doing so

[feral river]

like you pretend that your speech is correct

[ancient walrus]

you are morally flawed, immoral, and dangerous

[feral river]

I have to say, not all my speeches is correct, and I do make mistakes

but you just 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

holy crap

[ancient walrus]

this is an opportunity for you to get better, so you better use it

[feral river]

terrible bro

really terrible better change that habit it really suck

[feral river]

that’s the fact, that’s the fact we do

I’m talking the fact what are you talking about ?

[ancient walrus]

i am talking about the subjective fact that you would be considered immoral and inhumane by most people
and that most people would avoid you

[vagrant swan]

what are you guys talking about , i wanna join 👀

[feral river]

I’m talking all facts

and you are insulting me for talking facts

what the fuck ?

it doesn’t make any sense

[ancient walrus]

your comprehension of of the term insulting is either wrong, or you purposefully use it to avoid reason

by my understanding and education, you have ASPD
by my standards, you are immoral

if that counts as an insult, you told much worse insults to others

[feral river]

I do make insults didn’t I?

why you are not admit that you won’t make mistakes and pretend that I always wrong ?

that’s why I said you are labeling me as a terrible person

even you oppose me a lot and labeled me I still don’t care that and it’s normal in a debate

it make sense

but your speech really doesn’t make sense

[ancient walrus]

i did not label you as a terrible person
i told you you probably have a condition called ASPD (some people have it, it does not make them terrible people, it just means they need to get help)
and i told you were immoral by my standards, it is my opiniom

[feral river]

there are certain evidence proves you did labeled before

no need further explain

and I was fully getting offended

[ancient walrus]

okay i am sorry i offended you then
my beliefs on you did not change, though

[feral river]

that’s okay, everyone has discrimination

I can comprehend that

have a good day here is 1:57 AM in PRC

[ancient walrus]

good days

[feral river]

I’m gonna sleep

bye

[ancient walrus]

bye

[thorny steeple]

I get your point, but then, if we only count on our moral agent, then on what bases would we consider a remorseless murderer immoral? if his moral agent sets different moral values than ours, there is no reason to assume the superiority of ours compared to him, there wouldn't be any objectivity about it. it's not 1 + 1 = 2, it's more of a personal belief, this will obviously lead to many consequences, such as our inability to justify punishments for criminals and wrongdoers, thus, closing courts and removing justice systems. so, when I see people like @ minecraft_652 saying such things, of course I immediately get disgusted, but at least he/she is consistent with their atheism.
that's one of the reasons religions are necessary, they set an objective source of morality. if you're one day convinced God exists, then I believe you should start searching for the right religion that he revealed. since God created everything with laws that govern them, it's irrational to assume that we are the only exception. we are intelligent beings, our laws wouldn't be similar to the laws of physics for example. religion (more specifically Islam, 'cause I obviously believe it's the right religion and the truth) is a law and an objective source of guidance for life, it's like a catalogue for life.

what I'm mentioning in this message is a summary of my thought process that I went through when I was an atheist. the fact that there is no objective morality from an atheistic perspective was one of the things that annoyed me so much, 'cause I couldn't find a rational reason for it, and obviously became one of the reasons I became a theist. I think it's purely logical despite having some emotional factors.

[ancient walrus]

i see
my belief in morality is that it is a human value, and that there is no need for a higher being / book to educate us on how to be moral

and it is the duty of the state to set a common moral agent, so that people who do inhumane crimes (murder, theft, abuse) are punished accordingly

the European society have been following this example for a while, and it is proven to be a working system.

i, personally, can not say the same for Islamic law, and Islamic countries, unfortunately.
For me, the rule of law in those countries are flawed, and against human rights and values

[thorny steeple]

I see. but then again, I am a Muslim for example, and I find Islam ultimately aligns with my personal morality, how would you convince me that your moral system is better than the Islamic one?

what justification do you have, that's what I mean.

[ancient walrus]

thing is, I can not.
and neither can you

moral is subjective

and people with similar morals build a state with a common moral

[deep loom]

Probably nothing.
Just be your authentic self.

[night reef]

Hi guys

I want to talk with you about something

Do you know Palestine issue??

No no

[ancient walrus]

what

[night reef]

[deep loom]

For real? That's interesting to know.

[night reef]

Uhhhh WHAT???

[ancient walrus]

i do not support either side

[night reef]

First , what is your nationality??

[night reef]

Which side??/

[ancient walrus]

i do not support hamas
i do not support idf

i support Israelis
i support Palestinians

[night reef]

No no nothing of these is real!!

[steel prism]

isnt it supposed to be given to israel when jesus comes back on earth?

[ancient walrus]

i support a two-state solution

[steel prism]

i may be confusing two different things

[night reef]

NO NO!!

[thorny steeple]

I disagree, I believe I can pretty much prove the superiority of the Islamic morality. 'cause I believe it's objective.
you, however, believe it's subjective. so my following question would simply be, what defines a human? according to the definition you provided earlier, it seems to be that kind of the organisms that are distinctly marked with empathy and compassion, but since each person has their own moral values, there is no right or wrong, and therefore, there is no definition of humanity.
you could reinforce your subjective moral beliefs with people who commonly share somewhat the same, but does it really make it right? and why would you think that all things are governed by certain laws, except for humans, everything seems to be pretty much loose for them?

I honestly find this form of belief not compelling.

[ancient walrus]

a human is a mammal animal that typically has 46 chromosomes

there are some differences when it comes to moral values, but most humans share the same morale on most things e. g. theft, murder

the enforcer here is the state, and depending on how it is ruled, the criminal code is decided by the rulers, mostly, by their own moral values

in a democratic state, it is safe to assume that punishment for certain crimes align with the common moral of the society

there is no justification that Islamic teachings and law is objectively superior, unless you fully believe in the Qur'an book

I, for example, find it inhumane. it is against my values, and I personally left Islam because some punishments in Islamic law was making me physically sick (empathy)

[thorny steeple]

in Qur'an 5:21. the people mentioned in the verse are the Israelites, these were the people of Moses peace be upon him and the descendants of the prophet Israel peace be upon him. the present-day Palestinians are the descendants of the Israelites who accepted Christianity and Islam. there are genetic studies that prove the strong genetic link between the ancient Cannanites (the indigenous people to the land of ancient Levant) and the present-day Palestinians, there are some evidence that suggest Israelites are people who branched from the Cannanites since they were a combination for multiple tribes.

the present-day Jews however, are mostly Ashkenazi Jews. those are Germans, they don't carry any significant link between them and the Israelites who were at the time of the prophet Moses peace be upon him. so the land of Palestine by all means belongs to the Palestinians, and should only be under the Palestinian sovereignty.

Judaism alone does not make people entitled to the land, nor does it make them indigenous.

[subtle anchor]

Okay so im back~! whats goin'on!

[thorny steeple]

I would be happy to explain to you those laws which you thought are not empathetic, but not now as the aim of my discussion currently is not to convince you to revert to Islam, even though I'd like to.

I understand your point, but my point is that, just because the rulers and the majority think something is wrong, does not make it wrong. if we think about it, morality is all about right and wrong, but if morality is loose and subjective, there is no real right or wrong.
my question was that I wanna hear your justification for your morality, I believe from an atheistic standpoint, there is none. you could only approach the justification by shared common moral values which would be an argumentum ad populum (appeal to majority), still wouldn't make what you claim is right is really right, and what you claim is wrong is really wrong.

anyways, it's been a nice discussion with you honestly, an interesting one, and I appreciate you sharing with me your thoughts. I ask Allah to guide you back to Islam driven from my genuine care for you. 🤍

[broken birch]

That's the same verse but the meaning isn't we give you a flat earth, it means that god give us a Paved land for us to work on

[ancient walrus]

likewise, i enjoyed the debate
you sir have a nice day

[broken birch]

Idk if (paved) is the correct translation
But anyway god make it easy for us to work on earth, but that doesn't mean that earth is (flat)

[broken birch]

You can say its flat so you can walk in it but not the flat shape that people say

Like he didn't make earth hard to walk in with a lot if mountains everywhere
That's the meaning of (flat) in this verse

[fathom vine]

Than it’s stupidity of them that used it wrong

[broken birch]

The problem is some Muslims are confused with the meaning of flat here

[fathom vine]

[broken birch]

Yeah but I won't blame them cuz the language became little weak in our time

The real arabic language seems to be hard even for the native Arabs these days

And many dialects appeared

That's the reason why you still face some Muslims say that earth is flat

[thorny steeple]

@fathom vine @broken birch
I believe the verse you're talking about is [Qur'an 88:20] (multiple other verses explain that further). if we refer to the Arabic dictionary (which is completely different than the Qur'an of course), we'll find that the word "سُطِحَتْ" is an action verb driven from the verb "سطَح" which means "expanded; extended", most of the times it means that something is being put on top of another and expanded, like spreading a rolled carpet on the ground (just an analogy). if we look closely, there is nothing wrong except the understanding that the earth is flat. despite the consensus of Muslims scholars throughout history that the earth is in kind of spherical shape, if we look at the early stages of the formation of the earth, we'll find that a protoplanet named Theia, roughly the size of Mars, collided with earth, approximately 4.5 billion years ago, which was then expanded on top of our planet. I'm not saying this is what the verse is referring to, but I'm emphasizing that if it's not already a scientific miracle (something that was never known at the time of the prophet peace and blessings be upon him), it has nothing conflating with reality.

[broken birch]

MashaAllah, well said brother

[thorny steeple]

thank you sir. 🤍
it's important to worth-mentioning that this is an explanation, not a justification. there is nothing in Qur'an that I found that needs any justification, all the doubts have been made clear to be based on misunderstandings and misconceptions.

@fathom vine
by the way, I like the mini minesweeper game on your profile. 😂

[broken birch]

Yeah you are right
I hope that other Muslims be careful when they try to explain something in Qur'an, the Arabic language is a miracle on its own, and explaining something for the other people needs good knowledge and study

[broken birch]

Same lol

[hot galleon]

Hello

[keen wraith]

hey everyone..or ASSALAM O ALAIKUM..

hru all?

I'm new to this section...
so nvm my bad english

[broken birch]

That's what the Palestinians did to jews, they didn't kick them out from their land, but Israel is trying to expel the Palestinians from the land and that's what they are fighting for
In fact there are a lot of jews who says free Palestine

[keen wraith]

exactly..!

[daring kayak]

What are you talking about guys?

[keen wraith]

Palestine i guess..

[daring kayak]

Hm

[broken birch]

Mostly religions and Palestine vs Israel
And sometimes dictatorship . . .

[daring kayak]

Who is on the Palestinian side? And who's on the Israel side?

[broken birch]

This chat is out of control i suggest never joining any topic here

[daring kayak]

(I mean in this dialogue)

[vast vigil]

theres no palestine vs israeil

[keen wraith]

then?

[daring kayak]

Ahah that's actually an interesting

[vast vigil]

theres just palestine

[daring kayak]

Wdym

[broken birch]

I mean the most of this chat's topics

[vast vigil]

buuut when people tried to make things complicated, they added israeil to make the topic looks interesting

[daring kayak]

Hm

[vast vigil]

first of all israeil is the name of the prophet

[broken birch]

Yeah you are right

[keen wraith]

I was actually about to write whts Israel when i joined the chat 😛

[vast vigil]

annd the things that you guys are talking about is Zionist

[daring kayak]

What

[vast vigil]

so you should be more specific

[keen wraith]

Wait..

[daring kayak]

Bro I just entered to this chat what r u talkin' about

[broken birch]

Most of people don't know this information

[keen wraith]

Isn't Israel(Izrael) an angel?

[thorny steeple]

no intellectual discussions? no proofs? no rebuttals? just regular allegations?
these are good signs your understanding has been successfully refuted. 🤝

[broken birch]

No no that's a different name
It maybe has the same pronouns in English but its different in Arabic

[vast vigil]

the name of the countrie is palestine

[daring kayak]

☕️

[keen wraith]

oh ..my bad

[broken birch]

Israel is a name of the prophet (yaquub)

[keen wraith]

oh ...ty i didnt knew tht

[vast vigil]

its palestine so this countrie in the past was a place for Jewish and muslims and Christians

[broken birch]

Which is (اسرائيل) in Arabic
The one you mentioned was (عزرائيل) and some people says it's the name of the death angel but im not sure if it was right

[formal scaffold]

This is from an old bible if if I'm not mistaken

[keen wraith]

yeh

[vast vigil]

until creating the fucking Zionist

[keen wraith]

yeah ur right

[vast vigil]

and makes all the Jewish ppl came to this land

from many contries

[daring kayak]

Okay, peace.
Merry X-mas✌️🎄

[broken birch]

We don't have anything against the Jewish people but against the Zionists

[keen wraith]

Marry Christmas ❌

Marry Me ✔

(a meme I happened to see)

[vast vigil]

you know the how much Christians hates Jewish , they make a whole countrie for Jewish and they told them just dont come to europe of usa

or`

[keen wraith]

but u know the jewish aren't allowed to make a country..in their religion..(som1 told me)

[daring kayak]

I didn't get that, okay

[nimble onyx]

true

[vast vigil]

so if anyone wants to speak about the holy place ( palestine) he should say the real name

[vast vigil]

exactly

[keen wraith]

yeah

And they r planning somthing else ..

[vast vigil]

and those ar

those are the real jewish ppl

[keen wraith]

yeah!

But still... those r also jewish with bad intentions

[vast vigil]

those are Zionists

[keen wraith]

idk- wht zionist is?

[broken birch]

You can't know the intentions of anyone

[vast vigil]

we dont have a problem with Jewish ppl

[broken birch]

الصهاينة in Arabic

[vast vigil]

we have a problem with bad ppl

[keen wraith]

ofc

[keen wraith]

oh

[vast vigil]

the bad ppl , i mean those who make this

[keen wraith]

I knew this word as صهيوني

[broken birch]

Its the singular verb

[vast vigil]

and those are the real ones

so if anyone has anything he can say it now

[keen wraith]

yeah

[vast vigil]

becaue the Palestinian case is (old)

because of this man

a lot get killed and suffered

[keen wraith]

who is this?

[vast vigil]

arthur Balfour

[keen wraith]

i cant read

[vast vigil]

evrything is clear

but the thing is no one wants the truth

[tall sundial]

What is this

I can't readd

[vast vigil]

balfour declaration

[vast vigil]

read the first one i think its clear

[tall sundial]

Ok

[vast vigil]

palestine is the land of all religions , and all the prophets, but evryone is suffring there

[tall sundial]

How to disable slow mode , who can help me , this is very boring

@vast vigil
Palestine is the land of Palestinian Muslim not Israel

@vast vigil yes

[vast vigil]

so if you guys wants to talk about palestine and its own ppl , speak respectfully

[keen wraith]

agree

[vast vigil]

israil is yaqoob brother , so yeah its his land

but its not the land of zionist , and the bad guys

[keen wraith]

yeah!!

[thorny steeple]

@vast vigil link please

[vast vigil]

link of what

i dont know bro im new

bro you are already in the server

[thorny steeple]

💀

[vast vigil]

so guys the Palestinian lannd is always free 🇵🇸

no i said yaqoob , brother

i meant you

[broken birch]

Wait a minute

[vast vigil]

lmaooo

bro when i said brother , i meant youuu

i know yaqoob

[broken birch]

Oh

Lol

[vast vigil]

he is the father of Yousuf

[broken birch]

I was confused

[vast vigil]

and bin yamin

[broken birch]

Yes

[vast vigil]

i forgot to put the , lmaooo

[keen wraith]

?

[fathom vine]

That is well explained 🫡
Language barrier is a bit of problem so scholar Muslims of other countries should work more one explaining thing to their native speaker.

[fathom vine]

The game we never understood how its played

[broken birch]

You are not the one who decides

Im not saying hamas is right when they kill Jews but its the war, they don't know when that jew would become a Zionist, they also trusted them at the beginning and look what they have done

Also when Zionists killed the civilians and destroyed hospitals and schools, you would probably have different belief if you was there

Remember that Allah is the most merciful and most wise, and he's the one who decides which one goes to paradise and which one goes to hell

Don't say something instead of Allah like you have heard him saying

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/carebear-carebears-cute-care-bear-stare-gif-5570640

Let's do the care bear stare and get rid of all problems

[steel prism]

all i want for christmas is the release of epstein's list of names

[thorny steeple]

Israel is so kind that it crashes innocents under the rubbles like the poor child in this video:
https://youtube.com/shorts/w2gbrs3H9TA?si=zwXE0uhP8bELYl3A

[feral river]

well you have to use war to unify the middle east

because interest conflict

you think you are creating a great middle east but other people don’t think it benefits themselves

you have to use force to make them accept your great rule if you gonna achieve that

like Russia launched war on Ukraine, they wanna annex them by war

every country do have their own interest in the world, that’s why geopolitical exists

and interest has the most priority

it’s their interest Palestine wants take back their land by invasion and missiles

and it’s Israelis interest they wanna eliminate Palestinians because they are threatening their national security

don’t debate on me anymore I’m just talking the truth

you powerful, then you have more land, and you have more power to take more land

we also expanding our territory in here 🤣

it benefits a lot of people

and you support israel or palestine, that’s your own choice, I don’t care and I don’t live in the middle east

I’m not Mr.international or Mr,humanity, I care myself and my interest

existence is reasonable, don’t say “Israel should not be exist”’…….it’s pointless and stupid

[broken birch]

Well that's not true, but anyway you are not the one who decides if there are going to hell
Zionists built schools and hospitals but they were not that kind as you are saying, and im not saying that they are going to hell cuz im not going to decide too

Btw there are many jews who supports hamas lol

Well brother ik that you want peace and im sure that you have good intentions, but im afraid that you have missed a lot of things
Try to search for the reason why hamas exists at the beginning and what happened before the war started, then read the first page of surat (al-israa) and search the explanation

[feral river]

good intention = solve nothing 🤣

your freaking peace solve nothing literally

and suffering the people who desire to change their lives

so they will start war to against your intention

just like hamas-israeli war

Israel: why would I accept your plan on us ?

where is my benefit ?

did I got more territory? or more economy supplies ?

where is it ?

[thorny steeple]

War is inevitable.

[feral river]

there is a interest conflict, there is a war

why would someone gonna deny it and saying something not important

[broken birch]

Im not talking to you
And if Zionists was kind to the Palestinians the war would not happen

[feral river]

war will never stop unless you all already eliminated

[feral river]

holy crap existence is reasonable

why talking something doesn’t exist

[thorny steeple]

I think there were lots of wars that is unnecessary.

[feral river]

will they change their mind ? abandon their interest ?

they will not

because you didn’t considered their interests

[thorny steeple]

Who read 1984?

[feral river]

yes, but there is a war

[thorny steeple]

A lot of the wars are fought to drive patriotic sentiments.

[thorny steeple]

yep

[feral river]

actually there is a solution to eliminate the war

make every country have nuclear power

[thorny steeple]

So the leader will get benefit.

[feral river]

nuclear power never fight with another nuclear power

because they can destroy them all and no one gets benefit

simple

[feral river]

not only the leader, the people also get benefits

[thorny steeple]

nah

They died

[feral river]

🤣 I mean who still lives

[thorny steeple]

o

But um

Some place like

China

[feral river]

oh I live in China

LOL

[thorny steeple]

ok

lots of people died bc they have difer opinions

[feral river]

a lot of minorities died bc they have differ opinions

[thorny steeple]

no 1 get benefit except leader

[feral river]

or government officials

[feral river]

yes that’s a purge

but an effective leadership still benefit the people

it has drawbacks and advantages

[thorny steeple]

I dont think so

[thorny steeple]

agree

[feral river]

at least

[thorny steeple]

some people still can get a salary

[feral river]

they are not making everything confuse

[thorny steeple]

ye

[feral river]

that’s the best part

[thorny steeple]

We cant use ig in mainland

or dc

[feral river]

yeah but it’s easy to get a VPN

[thorny steeple]

ye

[feral river]

like 5 USD/month

I live in mainland

[thorny steeple]

12 cny per month

[feral river]

wow that’s cheap

[thorny steeple]

+1

[feral river]

how could you find that

[thorny steeple]

my friend rented to me

[molten mica]

What’s the most epic way you’ve seen someone quit or be fired?

[fading abyss]

rent me too

[feral river]

kim didn’t do that🤣🤣🤣🤣

[thorny steeple]

i doubt that would be be possible

[feral river]

so why you guys pursuing the world peace ?

I mean who promoted them ?

sounds very ridiculous and unrealistic

[thorny steeple]

it is possble

the germans almost achieve it

[feral river]

yeah annex all of the states ?

what if their empire collapse by themselves

another WW ?

sounds really cool

[thorny steeple]

well after ww2 a few small scale wars and since then we have not have a world war since 1945

[feral river]

yeah just regional war something

[thorny steeple]

its more common thanks to globalization and thats one of the many reasons we dont have a world war

[feral river]

globalization rule is collapsing

we don't have war because our interest combined and we trade together

but it doesn't mean that we pursuing the world peace so we don't have war

it's completely different

[thorny steeple]

true mate

[tall sundial]

Hi

Any one free

Who can help me to disable Slowmode

[lavish finch]

Where?

In your personal server?

Or here?

[tall sundial]

In this server

Here

[lavish finch]

Why?

You cannot disable slow mode and I don’t know why you would want to

There’s only a five second delay

[tall sundial]

No , just boring ,

Ok

[lavish finch]

Do you want to send messages more quickly than five seconds?

The moderators don’t want you to

[tall sundial]

Some time

But why to keep slow mode

[lavish finch]

Sometime what?

Think about what you want to say

For at least five seconds

[tall sundial]

Ok

[lavish finch]

The boredom is your disconnection from yourself

[tall sundial]

With 5 slow mode is better

What do you want to say@lavish finch

[lavish finch]

I’m talking to you and I’m telling you what I want to say

[tall sundial]

K

Ok

[lavish finch]

Let’s get back to the conversation here about globalization war and peace

[tall sundial]

Ok

For example, what you think for i$r@el and p@lestine war

[lapis cloak]

Sorry? I just joined and came in to this-

[tall sundial]

Who have right

[lapis cloak]

Nvm I’m out

[tall sundial]

@lapis cloak
Hi say this to me

[lapis cloak]

Hm?

This

[tall sundial]

@lapis cloak
I am adding to friend

[lapis cloak]

Why?

[tall sundial]

@lapis cloak I read you description

Hi

Any one free

[lavish finch]

For what?

Free for what?

[thorny steeple]

I think he wants to talk to people

Why can't some people just not open up to others? No matter how close they get to a person, they just can't be true to others. They have to always show that they are perfect and their life is perfect and when they sense some rejection in one way or another they completely disappear from another person's life... basically cutting them off. Why is that?

I'm sorry I want to know this and I can't ask this to others so here I'm asking online.

[tall sundial]

@lavish finch
To chat 😂

[lavish finch]

Yes

[tall sundial]

@thorny steeple what your level of English

[lavish finch]

I’m chatting

[tall sundial]

@lavish finch
What your level of English

[lavish finch]

God level

[tall sundial]

@lavish finch I want to have o good level of English,

What to do

[lavish finch]

They are avoiding real connection

[tall sundial]

What suggest to me , I have tried with the game and movie but no result

[lavish finch]

Become a detective

Look for clues

Solve the mystery

The Mystery of Not Learning English

[thorny steeple]

Okay. May be I should try to find reasons and solutions for that.

[deep loom]

I don't know but I think maybe they aren't not opening yet indicates they're not that close yet with that person or they're not opening up maybe because of their insecurities or flaws
Probably they judge themselves so much or have been judged by others in the past so they try to cover up and always appear as perfect individuals and if someone finds out they're not that perfect, they feel scared or guilty, so they get away from that person, probably scared of being judged or maybe they think that the other person will abandon them anyway so these people leave first.

[tall sundial]

@thorny steeple rinhave a very good of English level

[lavish finch]

Sorry but that’s their job, not yours

And maybe they don’t want to change

[thorny steeple]

I'm that person and I want to break that cycle. I want to change and have a healthy life

[tall sundial]

@thorny steeple
Rin how long you write

[lavish finch]

Do you avoid real connection?

[tall sundial]

@thorny steeple
I am adding to friend

[thorny steeple]

I want to have real connections. But as soon as I feel that I'm going to be disappointed I just get completely detached

[tall sundial]

@thorny steeple
Connection of what

[lavish finch]

You can change that

You’re sabotaging yourself

[tall sundial]

What mean @lavish finch Sabotaging

[lavish finch]

Creating the disappointment

before you even have it

[thorny steeple]

I'm trying to. I was doing pretty good last few months and then I got triggered by something and now I want ruin it but I'm trying not to do it

[lavish finch]

like a self fulfilling prophecy

[thorny steeple]

True. I do it. I know

[lavish finch]

It starts with our thinking

The way we think creates our life

But we can learn how to contain our reactions to triggers

so we’re not a slave to impulse

But rather a thinking, feeling, planning person

[thorny steeple]

That I can do it. But sometimes it's just like let it be and do it. And I know after sometime I'll be like no that was so immature

[lavish finch]

Have some compassion for yourself

you’re learning

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I'll not let my impulsive thoughts win. Thank you so much 🙂

[lavish finch]

yw

[thorny steeple]

I have to change myself. Someone else will not do it for me.

[lavish finch]

true

[thorny steeple]

Bye :)) then thanks once again

[lavish finch]

bye and tc

[steel prism]

~topic

[molten mica]

Where is the most beautiful place near where you live?

[thorny steeple]

Hello!

[tribal linden]

No Christmas in Bethelham

[obtuse perch]

no i express my opinion

Im sure if u were in their place u wouldnt be patient with even a quarter of what they were patient with

[broken birch]

We all wouldn't be

[obtuse perch]

agree

[broken birch]

They have such a strong hearts ngl

[obtuse perch]

💔

[fathom vine]

https://youtube.com/shorts/XvQNdY4BNAk?si=L50-Gg4pKZEt__lE

[broken birch]

What the

[feral river]

that’s an ad in 2014🤣

[broken birch]

That was sus then it became racist lol

[feral river]

well we don’t care that there is no black in China

🤣

[broken birch]

Im looking for an ad that I've saw in 2013 ig

[formal scaffold]

we got chinese in here and they are hella respectfull, you don't represent china

[acoustic karma]

Hi

What are you talking about

Im preparing to making video

On English

I'm warming up

[broken birch]

What type of videos

[acoustic karma]

Self-development

[broken birch]

Nice

[acoustic karma]

And self-education

And sport

And financial grammar

A lot of topics

[tame ember]

Free palestine

[glossy latch]

Glory to israel

(Please dont ban me 😭)

[lavish finch]

I’m also thinking of Palestine

And keeping up to date on the horrors

That the US is supporting there

Bombing civillians

Spreading war propaganda

Opposing the entire world at the UN

[jolly agate]

Thats what US always does

[lavish finch]

Isolating itself

[jolly agate]

US is like a gas in fire

[lavish finch]

Other countries are helping

Spread propaganda and silence dissent

[stuck field]

yup

[lavish finch]

I aksed my family at xmas dinner last night if they are following the news, and they said no. I felt sad and lonely to hear that.

[formal scaffold]

Do you think the US has better allies in the middle-east? better than israel?

[glossy latch]

I only support Israel cause I don't like Hamas taking American hostages

[lavish finch]

Israel is not an ally. We use them to sell weapons, like we used Ukraine. Our policies don’t benefit Israel in the long run.

[glossy latch]

And because of a religious aspect

I'm Christian

[formal scaffold]

what about trade routes? does Israel help with that?

[glossy latch]

Isn't there a treaty for us to help Israel in a time of crisis?

[lavish finch]

Israel and the US are commiting war crimes.

[glossy latch]

So is hamas

[formal scaffold]

muslims consider jesus holy while jews thinks he's a normal human (without mentioning how they insult him and mary peace be upon them)

[glossy latch]

Fr

But then again

Hamas doesn't really believe in the testament

[dense brook]

lets stop talking about such thing

[formal scaffold]

Hmas was supported by netenyaho before

[glossy latch]

Hm?

[lavish finch]

People want to shut down conversations about the crimes of Israel everywhere.

[dense brook]

dude im here to learn english anf now i habe to deal with politics

[glossy latch]

I mean we are speaking english

[formal scaffold]

there's VC, you can read books, I don't think this chat is purposfully made to learn languages without tackling serious topics

[glossy latch]

It seems like its the other way around

People chant free Palestine 24/7 on the internet

[dense brook]

okay lets discuss

was palastine ever a country '?

[glossy latch]

They are both countries

[formal scaffold]

A nation is a group of people who share commonalities such as a common culture, history, language, or ethnicity. Nations often have a sense of collective identity and may aspire to or already possess a sovereign state or country. The term "nation" can refer to a group of people with a shared sense of belonging and unity, and it is often associated with a particular geographic territory.

[glossy latch]

Holy shit

😭

Its like English class all over agaim

[formal scaffold]

Now let me ask you this were the American natives, also called Indians did they form a country? and if they didn't does that justify any kind of occupation and killing there

[dense brook]

thx for the defi. of nation .... but still palastine was not a country

[dense brook]

no but they was stronger

[thorny steeple]

How bro?

[formal scaffold]

Have you heard of spartans? to be a spartan warrior you should be the sex relief of another spartan soldier until he name you a spartan, well same applies on the coutries that were colonialised in the last 2 centuries, the same people who shed blood in their lands are the same people who will or won't give them the right to rule over themselves

[broken birch]

Wait wait huh

[glossy latch]

Huh

Wait your gay?

[broken birch]

Muslims consider jesus holy?

Wdym

[glossy latch]

They believe in allah

I thought

Well not the people, just the islamic religion

(Please dont label me as racist 😭)

[broken birch]

We do
And we also believe in all prophets (we believe that jesus is a prophet too)

[lavish finch]

There is too much noise here. I’m going to move to my teacher channel to filter out interruptions of our discussion. Please join me in #1175052632310693908 to have a moderated discussion of this topic.

[glossy latch]

Oki pookie

[broken birch]

And the prophet is a normal human not a superhero or an angel or a god or anything else

[thorny steeple]

itsnt about israel , its about usa, u can hear all freedom fighters from 19th and 20th century like che guevara (and others) ,he(che guevar) said "we do not want anything from America except to stay away from us", usa always is the problem , not israel not palestine, usa wants to rule the world , they dont care about who lives who dies , and thank you , this is only my opinion

[formal scaffold]

he's a prophet

[glossy latch]

I know but

In my religion, we don't believe that

[broken birch]

He is a messenger from our god, but being a messenger doesn't change the fact that he is a human

[dense brook]

question: what is wrong what right now happening between is ans pal

[glossy latch]

I have a feeling ima get muted for religious sensitivity / politics

Ima just like

Stop talkin

[broken birch]

Sorry but i didn't understand what did you mean when you said "Muslims consider jesus holy"

[formal scaffold]

I meant أولو العزم

[broken birch]

That's way different 💀

[thorny steeple]

they dont consider jesus holy but the idea of the Prophet

[formal scaffold]

isn't that considred holy

[broken birch]

No

[formal scaffold]

thank you

[dense brook]

jesus is just a prophet

in my opinion

[formal scaffold]

he's no just a prophet

[thorny steeple]

jesus is not considered Prophet Isa (a.s)

there is a story

[formal scaffold]

he's one of the " determined one" idk how to say it in english

[thorny steeple]

which I will not tell in case that causes conflict 💀

so yall can read on ur own 💀

[tall sundial]

@dense brook
I think like you

[broken birch]

Yeah you are not blamed

[dense brook]

maybe only in the christisan mythology but in every other religion jesusu is considered as a prophet

[tall sundial]

@dense brook
What is your religion

[broken birch]

Ig its only in islam and some of Christians

[tall sundial]

Jesus is Only prophet ,

[dense brook]

dont understand me wrong i personally love jesus

[tall sundial]

Look in quran and bible

[broken birch]

Cuz there is no other religion between islam and Christianity

[glossy latch]

Catholic

COUTH COUTH

[tall sundial]

The example of Jesus is as example of Adam Alejhi selam , Allah has created them without father

[broken birch]

They considered as Christians aren't they?

[glossy latch]

Yes and no

[broken birch]

That's too complicated

[glossy latch]

Well

[tall sundial]

The example of Jesus is as example of Adam Alejhi selam , Allah has created them without father

[glossy latch]

Catholics preach and pray to their church

[tall sundial]

@glossy latch
The example of Jesus is as example of Adam Alejhi selam , Allah has created them without father

[glossy latch]

Christians preach and pray directly to god

[tall sundial]

@glossy latch
No Christan party with papa and papa with good

[dense brook]

adam had no father and mother but jesus had a mother

[broken birch]

Ooooh

[tall sundial]

God

[glossy latch]

Huh

[broken birch]

God is not a father neither a son

[glossy latch]

Thats like the only difference lol

[broken birch]

Okay i have a question

[lavish finch]

Join me in #1175052632310693908 . I’m not going to discuss it here where it is too noisy.