🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

true

[strong hound]

Noooo mf really vanished and left his girls waiting

[jolly agate]

even if I assume their is only one god. he whould be pretty jeleous rn.

ngl

[strong hound]

I bigpotassium, am a firm believer of the banana kiwi principle

[strong hound]

Of cid?

[jolly agate]

the other gods that dont exist😂😂

[strong hound]

What if he purposefully made those, so it would be more interesting

[jolly agate]

you can shush now

[strong hound]

Holy shit that sucks man

Don’t ask why I have that

[jolly agate]

just a disclamier dont take anything I have said so far "seriously"

[strong hound]

WAIT DID CID GO BACK TO EARTH

WTF HE CAN FAST TRAVEL???

[jolly agate]

i can

[jolly agate]

i can tell

but that would spoil it

but you alrwdy know now

[jolly agate]

its explained in the last ep

what happens

[strong hound]

I’m watching rn

[jolly agate]

focous

on that

[strong hound]

I am

[jolly agate]

good

[strong hound]

It didn’t explain

wtf

My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

Time to go sleep away my sorrows

[thorny steeple]

itd be funny if god was real and he just came down one day and just told all the truths

soicety would be so fucked up

[serene birch]

If there is a god who created this universe. I recommend you take into account the size of the universe and compare it to God. You should not expect a being of this size to come to the world.

[strong hound]

Btw one last thing before I go

I wanted to shared quote by Eminem bc I like Eminem

[serene birch]

That's why we always say that math and physics need to be learned.

[strong hound]

“where you see it from where your sitting it's probably 110% different”

Also

“Fuck lightning he struck it, flipped the world upside down and made it rain upwards”

My smartass read eminence

[serene birch]

God warns foolish and ignorant people; wise individuals, already blessed with God's greatest gift of knowledge and science, pursue it diligently.

[strong hound]

Or they just believe what their parents believe in, I tend to think people aren’t stupid, and what people do are always what they believe to be best for themselves

Probably because Europe explored it and stuff

I don’t wanna explain history

And geography

[serene birch]

No one considers themselves foolish. There are various parameters, such as family or other factors, and it varies from person to person.

[strong hound]

Yes but there was the renaissance so that counts for something

I highly doubt the religion is the problem with developments

I mean there was no Islam in North America before European invasion either, and look how that played out

Ok that’s fair

[thorny steeple]

Eminem is a great rapper

[serene birch]

yup

[thorny steeple]

who can come off hella corny at times tho

[strong hound]

I think most people are smarter than they’re given credit for

[strong hound]

Yep

[thorny steeple]

is bad saying u hate jews

[serene birch]

It is definitely true, only economic opportunities prevent or contribute to them achieving something.

[strong hound]

“If you make a game, make sure to update the instruction manual when the game updates.” Is what I told my Islamic friend, I have nothing against it but I do think the fact that the Bible changes is a good thing

And I’m most certain that a if a god did exist, he would update his book

Also cough cough oil

And wars over oil

Religion is a barrier but I doubt it’s the biggest one

[scarlet orchid]

Let me help to answer.

It's not religion vs development, but radicalism vs development. U can develop a country regardless of ur ethnicity/religion background actually. But by using identity politics that'll only give benefit to some part of people, you basically dont let your country receive new knowledge from new people. We know well that if you want to develop a country, you have to learn new ideas from outside aswell. This is the essence of civilization: humans always learn new things from other people, then develop it into a new one, so that occurs what's so called as "development". But, radicalism doesnt believe in this.

[broken birch]

that nobody guy keeps saying that type of nonsense

ik but i was talking to this guy from yesterday and when he couldn't replay to my messages he started to talk about that spaghetti and the emperor

its literally nonsense

and the expo went to Riyadh loooool

any one who knows history knows that literally nonsense even many of Jewish people supports Palestine

ik someone in this server as well you can ask him

you cant even tell a joke
you said KFS huh

im not arguing with you any more

it makes me feel like a stupid talking to a brainless creature

my little brother can replay to this better than you

im talking about the one who is 2 yo

he is still learning how to speak but he can replay better than you

[abstract cypress]

what happened to iran is regretful

[mint marsh]

Having not converted to Islam, can you even think rationally? You are a reckless person who isn't worth discussing at all

[abstract cypress]

I think we can all agree that Iran's islamic revolution is very detrimental to their personal freedom

long live mahsa amini

[mint marsh]

Don't argue with people with empty minds, my friend

[thorny steeple]

ı suppose god have created devil as stronger than human and this stiuation is reason of all bad thing in the world

[broken birch]

Well said

[broken birch]

Speaking of iran
I've heard that they built there oun kaaba lol

That's too wild

[south jackal]

Hi

[onyx verge]

Is there anyone who can leave these religious chats and do conversation about the serious problems of world

And also debate if possible

[thorny steeple]

Sure any topic?

[slate briar]

Nice u send pic of Shia and say look after islam

[vast vigil]

are you retarted or somth , the group is sitting in front of a mosques

and the second pic is shia you should think before doing anything stupid

so now you are calling muslims crazy

those are Christians

and those are Jewish

so why dont you say crazy Christians and crazy Jewish

and you those

are crazy

[real acorn]

This topic is interesting.

[broken birch]

Stupidity is a word problem too

[broken birch]

I was waiting from the profile picture lol

[real acorn]

HAHAHA

[real acorn]

So, are you a muslim?

[broken birch]

Yes

[real acorn]

Alhamdulillah.

Alright brother I got to go.

Have a goodnight.

[broken birch]

You too

[sweet flower]

what does that even mean

[broken birch]

Nobody knows

[limber sedge]

what's going on?

[south jackal]

Free palestine

[broken birch]

I wonder how old you are

[south jackal]

R u an isralian

[broken birch]

Seems to be

[sweet flower]

so arabs are the ones who attacked isreal

[south jackal]

Israelis stole land from Palestinians

[sweet flower]

makes so much sense

[mortal spruce]

Respect all cultures my friend, I have lots of friends who are Muslim and they don't mind me being Christian, heck I just went to one of their houses to give them plum cake for Christmas and they happily accepted so please, avoid the fact about religion and just make friends :D

[south jackal]

Ur right

Show me proof

U look like ur supporting Israel's

That's y i asked

[mortal spruce]

That happened back in 2007, are you gonna let a single person's act be your view of how people other than Muslims act? An act done by some old man who probably had no one to love be your view of people?

[south jackal]

Do u support israel or plestine

israel

Palestine

[mortal spruce]

I support people

Neither

[south jackal]

Wtf do u mean neither

palestine people or israel people

[mortal spruce]

I don't wanna get into that argument

I don't know the full story

[south jackal]

Its ok

sorry for being rude

[mortal spruce]

it's alright :D

[south jackal]

Sorry

[vast vigil]

yo

[south jackal]

Yo

[broken birch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)
Lol

You are lying to yourself

[thorny steeple]

@serene flax what's up?

[feral river]

why palesine and israel again LMAO

that was talked about 5 days in a week in here

🤣

you don't need to know anything except this

only one thing important

who is winning ? 🤣

the loser will wiped out from this map

just like it was never exist before

survival of the fittest.

[real acorn]

It's not funny.

[dusty nymph]

i rearely have read so many stupid things.

[real acorn]

No.

[broken birch]

We will see when the war ends

[broken birch]

Who laughs last laughs a lot

[dusty nymph]

i think, as long as people use religion as their only identifier, war will never end.

[real acorn]

You are wrong.

[winter bluff]

sry guys any religion is fck top who really dumb

[feral river]

war is the supreme court of the civilization of humanity

there is a problem, there is a war

[south jackal]

Yea

[broken birch]

Such a childish way to solve problems

[south jackal]

big problem

[feral river]

childish ? no it's force

it's unstoppable force

[broken birch]

Listen or die

Really

[feral river]

you can't do anything if they already won with their forces 🤣

[real acorn]

I agree with you.

[real acorn]

We will see.

[broken birch]

Remember these words

[real acorn]

The truth will prevail.

[feral river]

one thing is clear, the winner is who have more power, more resources, more guns, more soldiers

and they defines world 🤣

[south jackal]

Free Palestine

[feral river]

this is a simple fact that the history is completely proved

you can't deny that 🤣

[real acorn]

Victory does not depend on all of that.

[dusty nymph]

people are people. Freedom of belief should apply to everyone within the framework of the resolution. If a person believes that their belief is the only true one, please be happy. If other people see it differently, that's okay. But you can only know that if you have democratic values within you. Anyone who gets anti-Semitism in their mother's milk will never be happy as long as there are people who thinks differently.. If you are okay with death, rape, murder happening just because a person has a different belief than you, then YOU are the victim because your thinking is limited. These conversations about the topic have nothing to do with discussions, you can read propaganda here. This is dangerous for anyone who does not have research skills.

[feral river]

it depends almost all of that 🤣

[south jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/palestine-free-palestine-gif-5456462602036172482

[feral river]

whatever you support them or not, german people in ww2 also supports hitler

but did they changed the history ?

[thorny steeple]

Islam acknowledges Christianity as a revelation sent by Allah through Jesus who was a prophet and a messenger. so Islam denies only the present-day mainstream Christianity creed while confirming the monotheistic revelation sent to Jesus peace be upon him.

• that's not a proof, they presumably exited 108 years to 130 years after Jesus's death.
• there is no single non-christian historical source that explicitly attest or claim Christians worshipped Jesus, especially during his life.
• the majority of Ebionites deny the divinity of Jesus and early Gnostics texts depicted Jesus as a human figure. you're also overlooking other branches of Christianity that reject the trinity doctrine and mostly deny the divinity of Jesus such as Christian Unitarians and Biblical Unitarians.
• neither of the four canonical gospels' authors are verified, in fact, there is no biblical manuscript that date back to the life of Jesus discovered 'till the day. everything is uncertain and all the authors are anonymous and allegedly attributed to Jesus's disciples. it's funny to mention that Irenaeus connection to John, 'cause the gospel of John 17:3 mentions "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent", conflicting directly with the creed of Jesus's divinity.
  so far you've been committing red herring a lot. our main point is your claim that the evidence and proofs of Islam are solely valid within the religion only, and that non-Muslims somehow require a prior Islamic belief to be convinced by it. please stick to the main point, whether Christianity was distorted and corrupted or not is irrelevant.

[feral river]

no

because soviet forces are more powerful than him XD

[winter bluff]

Palistane hasn't free yet?

[south jackal]

No

Because of Israel

[winter bluff]

Does Palestine have freedom?

[feral river]

Palestine doesn't exist in the map

[south jackal]

They will get freedom soon by god

[real acorn]

No, it's not.

[feral river]

all of Palestine territory is occupied or annexed by israel

it doesn't exist anymore

[south jackal]

Cause Israelis stole their land

[feral river]

no you freaking loser deserves to lose your territory

[south jackal]

Fck Israelis

Will u shut up

[feral river]

L

Israel winner XD

[real acorn]

Control your patience brother.

[feral river]

it doesn't make any sense if a loser don't lose and the winner don't win LMAOOOO

[south jackal]

She literally talking shits about Palestinians

[feral river]

it's a simple thing

[real acorn]

I know.

Don't worry, the truth will prevail.

[south jackal]

Yea

Palestine will win

[real acorn]

Yes.

[feral river]

yeah go dream that 🤣

[real acorn]

Now you wanted to say about our god?

[feral river]

this is the truth

[south jackal]

Shut the fuck up

[feral river]

I respect the winner

not the freaking loser

no one respects the loser

like a big L hitler

and the palestine, is the next

[winter bluff]

stop talking about this war especially if you sit down in front of your pc

[south jackal]

Nag israelnis next

Fuckk israel

[real acorn]

We will see on next year.

[feral river]

if you wanna change this fact you better join the hamas or palesine forces

or your palesine only will be disappeared

rather than talking shit here

[broken birch]

You can't know how many years are going to pass while im laughing at cuz when Palestine wins the war

[feral river]

I don't care dude

[winter bluff]

try to look around and u see that Israel has support from many country and really bad that so many innocent people die due to hamas started this war

[feral river]

I see the facts

not the day dreams

I don't respect anyone talks their shit day dream on me, because it's stupid

[broken birch]

We will see

Remember these words

[feral river]

of course we will see

[oblique fiber]

lol what

[real acorn]

Mhm

[feral river]

I do remember

[oblique fiber]

are you trying to justify colonialism?

[feral river]

not the fucking political true

we also annexes other countries territory here

[oblique fiber]

we?

well ofc, its a fact, but dude, still want to justify that?

[feral river]

yeah my state

[broken birch]

And the humans are originally monkeys

[broken birch]

Well well

[feral river]

no need to justify, we do

we do anything we want because we are powerful

it's a simple thing no need to explain

US do anything they want because they are superpower

[broken birch]

Literally a childish behaviour

[oblique fiber]

he has lost his humanity

[broken birch]

That's why hamas still exists for about a century

[real acorn]

Let's see who is more powerful

[feral river]

childish behaviour rules the world LMAOOOOO

who is the real child ? 🤣 \

[feral river]

yeah I'm glad to see that

[broken birch]

Conversation ends

[real acorn]

Mhm

[feral river]

and I'm seeing it 🤣

[feral river]

better to learn some history next time when you wants to talk with me

[real acorn]

I think it's you that should learn

[feral river]

such a clown XD

[oblique fiber]

we as human should condemn violence, with you trying to justify the israel invasion towards Palestine, it sucks

[feral river]

no fuck off

it's not

[winter bluff]

are u from Israel?

[oblique fiber]

nah you

[feral river]

Palestine threats the national security of israel

[oblique fiber]

imagine justifying violence

[feral river]

you don't respect israelis and their lives why would they respect your lives ?

just like you screwed up LMAO

[oblique fiber]

protect? im not talking abt the hamas

[real acorn]

@wise comet

[feral river]

you did something terrible like launch missles to strike israel and you did something terrible like taking hostage

and you are saying, free palesine

[wise comet]

You fail to hear out your opponent's statements and attack with pure curses and insults, you are beyond immature and you handle debates the wrong way

[oblique fiber]

im talking about how israel forces their way trying to get as much territory

[feral river]

funny bro

very funny

[oblique fiber]

lol, idf has done many warcrimes

[real acorn]

Hamas doesn't taking any hostages

[oblique fiber]

dont be one sided

[feral river]

they did and they don't care because you won't care if you are under threat by others

only thing they want to do is kill all of those basters

it's simple

[oblique fiber]

lol, ik that they both have been promised a land by british, but british just litteraly tryna make em both fight, both are promised the same land, and ofc they both will fight over it

[bronze maple]

free palestine ugly ass bitchs

[blazing yew]

There is a one

[feral river]

because you lose your war with israel

[oblique fiber]

same goes to idf lol?

[blazing yew]

Free Palestine

[feral river]

why would they respect your interest because you are a loser ?

[oblique fiber]

lol what are you trying to say buddy?

[feral river]

is there a school like talking with your teacher that saying he is bullying you, punish him

it's really ridiculous

[oblique fiber]

lol, Israel opressed the palestinian for a long time, ofc they will retaliate

[feral river]

oh see, israel retaliated

do you like it ? do you want it ?

you deserve it!

[oblique fiber]

wdym? Britain litteraly give palestine to israel to win the jewish support, they dont share anything

[feral river]

they are also trying to destroy eastern world, like China

in my country, muslims who didn't denounce their religion will sent to the concentration camp

[broken birch]

Better YOU learn history and think for 5 minutes after that about who is the right and who is not

[feral river]

I'm right and you are wrong

It's simple

[thorny steeple]

false. in 2 Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign..." and in 2 Kings 8:26 "Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king", both are Old Testiment verses, so saying that they only differ on marks and diacritics is and outright lie. it's clear that there have been modifications done in the Torah and the Bible. they are nothing similar to Hafs and Warsh readings.

the Qur'an mentioned many sects of Jews and Christians, some sects of Jews worshipped Ezra, and some sects of Christians worshipped Mary, as well as worshipping Jesus as either God himself, the son of God, or even one of three persons who make up God (some of these sects still exist). the absence of evidence is not an evidence of absence. if you don't believe there were sects who held these beliefs, fair enough, you're an atheist anyway, so you're not demanded to believe in what Muslims believe by Allah who's all-knowing.
Islam demonstrates a perfect understanding in Christianity, Qur'an mentioned Christians believing in Jesus as the son of God (Qur'an 9:30), and mentioned who believed in three Gods (Qur'an 5:73), and mentioned who believe Jesus is God (Qur'an 5:72) [funny enough, it's the verse that precedes the previous one].
honestly, you're the one demonstrating a big lack of knowledge, i.e., ignorance.

[broken birch]

That's why you should shut the fck up

[oblique fiber]

british gave it to the israel people before the un even formed, so wdym by UN?

[feral river]

no you should shut the fuck up

yes ! and I appreciate it

suppress those muslims is the best choice ever

best choice ever in our country

[oblique fiber]

what country are you?

[feral river]

People's Republic of China

the second most powerful country in the world

[oblique fiber]

lol, they are native to that place, or atleast they were there first. its like saying "I dont have a business in your shop, but i want 50 percent of it"

[feral river]

I don't care all about your freaking theory that justifies that palestine was bullied by Israel or other country

but one thing need to clear, is you fucking deserve it!

you did something terrible and you have to pay for it

forever

you have to pay by your life

[oblique fiber]

lol

[feral river]

and there is a powerful country which is punishing them instead of US

they are Israel, United States, and EU

[oblique fiber]

i do not hate jews wdym? i only say that what the idf is doing is wrong

[feral river]

because you are wrong, completely wrong

you are justifying that Palesitine didn't do anything wrong and was bullied by Israel

but it's not

[oblique fiber]

lol, so jewish people were there from the start of time huh? with palestinian people?

[feral river]

and the truth, is they are paying for their actions

their government, the hamas will pay for it, and their people also will pay for it

because the government represents the people

they will all pay for it

it's hell to pay

[feral river]

the regime based on power

if you are non-power, you can't even establish a government

and more soldier, more resources, more advance weapons you have

the more power you have

you can use your power to expand your land which is benefit your own people

that is but it's not necessary

first you have to got something to eat before you have freedom

you have a house, enough food, even a date

then you will think about something like democracy and freedom

[quartz willow]

hi

[feral river]

that's the priority

[quartz willow]

hi mincraft....

[feral river]

hihi !

[quartz willow]

hru

[feral river]

well we don't allow LGBT but, something really different here and I believe it's best for our state

[real acorn]

It's all for our good.

[oblique fiber]

lol give rights to women? allow lgbt? democracy?

[feral river]

I think it's good if you allow it but not work for all the nations

[oblique fiber]

ask every muslim woman

[quartz willow]

do u play minecraft

[oblique fiber]

"are you oppressed?"

[feral river]

of course I do

[feral river]

they are under taliban and ISIS rule

[quartz willow]

can u tell me one thing

[feral river]

LMAOOOO

[oblique fiber]

lol what? taliban and isis rule?

[quartz willow]

do u play bedwars

[oblique fiber]

lol so what? women are not forced to wear hijab

[feral river]

yeah but not for now here is 1AM

it's freaking late

religion is the opium

[oblique fiber]

and lgbt? christianity condemn lgbt as well

[quartz willow]

i know just tell me one thing obt it im not asking to play

[oblique fiber]

democracy? well if u say that to a religion based country, ofc there's no democracy

[oblique fiber]

is there any democracy in china?

[quartz willow]

um i just joined a server named herobrine.org

[feral river]

there is no democracy in China

[oblique fiber]

yeah

[feral river]

but everything is stable and good in China

I love here

[oblique fiber]

then?

[feral river]

there is no terrorists, unlike middle easts

[quartz willow]

i cant join it idk i just want to play bed wars just tell me any server where i can play it easily

[oblique fiber]

what?

religion limits?

[feral river]

my bad I mean they do allow religion people but doesn't allow it if you wanna use it to destablize our society

[oblique fiber]

didnt u say that every muslim who dont renounce their religion will going to be sent to a concentration camp?

[feral river]

our society is 100% stable than america

because government suppresses minorites

[quartz willow]

...tell me ?//?//?//? or ur busy

[feral river]

90% of Chinese people is majority

[oblique fiber]

lol, all i see is chaos

[feral river]

I'm busy

[oblique fiber]

its just from ur point of view

[quartz willow]

ok mam

[feral river]

I don't think so

[oblique fiber]

i believe you're an atheist

[feral river]

the religion also provides something different to our world

and it provide rules

[oblique fiber]

even this guy doesnt agree

[feral river]

it justifies rules

but not work for some place

[oblique fiber]

evil?

[feral river]

it doesn't if they all think it's not evil

[oblique fiber]

lolll you're so wrong of that

Evil, comes from human itself

[feral river]

if they all trust it's not evil, then it's a tool to bring someone in power

[oblique fiber]

No religion teaches abt violence

[feral river]

it justfies everything

it literally justfies everything even it's wrong

because they all trust it, so no reason they trust it

it's an effective way to control their people

to establish an authoritarian rule

[oblique fiber]

religion is your guide on how to live rightfully in this world and how to go to heaven,

[feral river]

and an anthoritarian rule is effective than democracy regime

the point is, an anthoritarian rule is effective than democracy regime

it's effective than democracy

[oblique fiber]

the one who is trying to take the world is only human, but they justify it under their religion

[feral river]

not all the places needs democracy

[oblique fiber]

only if it has peace and thriving

[feral river]

and a flawed democracy, or an authoritarian rule not a totalitarian rule

could run in this world

[oblique fiber]

[feral river]

not only the democracy runs world

[oblique fiber]

the only radical thing is the human itself

You're an atheist are you?

[feral river]

I'm an atheist but I believe the truth

[oblique fiber]

wdym? education problem?

lol, education?

[feral river]

and I think the religion played as a major role in human history

it's complex

it has advantages, and drawbacks

not only bad things on religion

[oblique fiber]

who founded algebra?

[feral river]

yo buddy are you a russian ?

[oblique fiber]

nah u knew my context, you're just being dumb

[oblique fiber]

truth? or science?

[feral river]

yeah the science and the truth

[oblique fiber]

lol fanatic? you're exageratting it

[feral river]

like someone is losing and someone is winning

it was also the truth

[oblique fiber]

guess my religion bro

[feral river]

I believe the truth explains everything

and everything exists is reasonable

[oblique fiber]

then why did u say the world need religion?

[feral river]

it's a simple concept

[feral river]

because religion provides the rule in my scale

it justifies everything effective

[oblique fiber]

but if i use his logic, why would u believe in a rule where u cant prove anything right?

where u cant prove anything with science

[feral river]

it's pointless if you can't prove anything with science

because the science is the truth

non-science is not the truth

take care, it's a bloody war

[oblique fiber]

if u dont need a nation then go bro

go away from ur country

[feral river]

don't lose your live in there

[oblique fiber]

go live in a private island

you cant provide yourself

[thorny steeple]

that's the main point, not the second.
again, whether Aristotle, ancient Greek philosophers, Hindu sages, Babylonians, or any other civilization, religion, or philosopher mention a piece of information which turns out to be true is nothing comparable to Islam, and it does not put Islam in the same category. despite the fact that these religions and people didn't provide properly correct information like Islam did. Islam claims to have correctness in every part of it (Qur'an 4:82).
they are neither true by the virtue of existing first (in fact it's the other way around, if Islam is proved to be right, all other present-day religions are remotely false), nor do they get everything right like Islam does, nor do they provide any consistent beliefs. they are nothing comparable to Islam.

so back to your point, if what you're saying is true, and the evidence and proofs of Islam are only acceptable within the belief of Islam only, then there wouldn't be any conversion rate in the first place. such a ridiculous claim honestly.

if I provide overwhelmingly cumulative evidence about Islam, it must be true, 'cause no human being can make all types of extraordinary claims that turn out to be right, let alone happening all the time.

[oblique fiber]

what are you saying is funny

"i dont need a nation, religion is evil"

[feral river]

Islam is not a bad thing

[oblique fiber]

no no, you can give up your nationality

really

[feral river]

but you can't say it doesn't have drawbacks

because the truth fully proved the drawback of Islam

is the radicalization

[oblique fiber]

radicalization comes from human

[feral river]

redicalization comes from islam

I'm also a human but I'm not a radical one

[oblique fiber]

huh? lol what is a passport then?

only a document?

[feral river]

but the Islam, which is falsely or truely depicted by someone

[oblique fiber]

"I dont need a nation" you can give up your nationality bro

[feral river]

has already established a lot of radical movement and make a lot of people became extremists

it is the truth that you can't deny

[oblique fiber]

a nation is bassicaly people who united under one banner

[feral river]

I'm talking the truth not the other thing

[oblique fiber]

slaves?

lol

[feral river]

the truth is, Islam could easily provides opportunity to extremists to make more people being radical

that is the truth you can't deny

[oblique fiber]

okay, you have a bakery, but u dont have no workers

[feral river]

such as Taliban, ISIS, AI-Qaeda etc.

they are Islam, and they are extremists

[oblique fiber]

what will you have?

[feral river]

even ISIS in 2017 control a territory as large as a britain

so it's a major drawback of Islam

[oblique fiber]

lol im okay if u dont agree with religion, but nation?

bro like i said, go to a remote island

and go live alone

[feral river]

god damn I'm really gonna record what I'm saying here

[oblique fiber]

Nation is not a nonsense

[feral river]

I'm already talking palestine israel islam shit here numerous times

[oblique fiber]

if u have proper education, you woulnt say that

"I dont need a nation"

[feral river]

and I'm tired to type this shit anymore

but there is a lot of stupid extremists still believes Palestine will win, or just deny the truth

really sick

[thorny steeple]

I don't think so.

hi

[oblique fiber]

nah nah, go live on an island that has no society

[thorny steeple]

anyone have netflix

[thorny steeple]

hi

[feral river]

at least 4 time I have to say

[oblique fiber]

that has no nation

[thorny steeple]

can anyone share it me?

[feral river]

I'm talking palestine shit in here about 4 time

in this channel

[oblique fiber]

NATION IS A BASICALLY A BIG SOCIETY WHERE PEOPLE UNITED UNDER ONE BANNER

u cant live without society

you cant live alone

[thorny steeple]

Then try change the subject god damn it

[feral river]

I'm trying

[thorny steeple]

Try harder

[oblique fiber]

lol, let me ask you, what is a society?

[feral river]

but I can't believe why they are denying the truth and I think it's stupid and gonna debate with it

actually they know they are denying the truth and talking shit

but they won't fucking admit it

[oblique fiber]

"groups of people"

then what is a nation

nah, what is a nation?

its from your point of view

nah you're just an individualist person who think that you can live with out society

no society is not a nation, but nation is a society

the only different from them is only the numbers

nah you're the one who has stupid way of thinking

lol do you believe in culture?

self entitled person:

"You are a person that has high education". I wish i can say that to you

[thorny steeple]

bruh that's actually more wise to not to be dependant to a nation

[thorny steeple]

he's right

religion is a toy for most people

you're right

[warped scroll]

It doesnt make it unnecassery or useless

[thorny steeple]

who said it isn't?

[warped scroll]

There are so many things people made them toy

[thorny steeple]

you can use religion to unite people under you so you can control them better

in a good or bad way, depends on how you prefer

[warped scroll]

That troll guy

[warped scroll]

yes it is

[thorny steeple]

it's actually useful for most people

[warped scroll]

Yes I agree with you Religion makes me "real human"

[thorny steeple]

imagine two people, one is just focused in his work and doesn't care about anything else, and imagine other one which thinks about everything, tries to find answer to their questions instead of giving up

which one will serve better?

the first one of course

it depends actually

but it isn't something useless, maybe unnecesarry but not useless

@thorny steeple
you're an atheist right?

[thorny steeple]

more like agnostic because i think there's other ways of god existing way different than humans think or believe in

[warped scroll]

You cant say it Bc those words follow each other Are you troll as well?

Omg I'm fed up with dreamer kidos

[thorny steeple]

no, i'm just rational

that dude acted troll but he actually talked wisely

[thorny steeple]

why do you think that?

[thorny steeple]

what do you mean by that?

[thorny steeple]

do you believe that God exists in a different way than humans think?

[thorny steeple]

maybe

it exist in a different way or it just doesn't

[warped scroll]

For example?

[thorny steeple]

what i mean by different way is like maybe for something else, some another purpose

[thorny steeple]

it's a yes or no question, there is no maybe. you either believe in that or you don't.

this one

[thorny steeple]

good, then you're not certain whether God exists or not. you simply don't assert that he doesn't exist, you just don't believe in him.

[thorny steeple]

wow he talked a lot

but most of what he said was true

[warped scroll]

Well okay Keep improving yourslf dude gl

[thorny steeple]

yeah maybe like that

[thorny steeple]

you don't know what you believe?

yeah i don't?

is more like i don't want to put myself in a category

but i'm just agnostic

i deny all of religions though

and what i say is if there is a god then it's not the way humans think

[thorny steeple]

why wouldn't he be as humans think?

i just can't

and what do you mean not as humans think?

it's so stupid

[thorny steeple]

like religions etc.

like consider islam, they say god created us to worship it and send us to this world to test us, but why the fuck?

like did god get bored?

[thorny steeple]

why not?

[thorny steeple]

i gave an example but there's more

and i'm sure that one is enough to understand me

[thorny steeple]

this is an argument of personal incredulity. whether you think or not doesn't change reality, it is what it is.

[thorny steeple]

your example has no basis in reality. if Allah exists and you think it's weird, that's your problem, it doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

it's easy to refute islam but not god at all

[thorny steeple]

well I understand what you mean, doesn't mean it's valid though.

but okay i don't want to continue

there's a lot of opinions that refute religions, but okay

the thing is, you can't answer my question because quran don't have the answer for it

and if there's not an answer for a question like this, then it's stupid to believe in

why even bother a creature that owns everything and has infinite power to create humans and test them?

why need some random creatures that's compared nothing to you to worship you?

like if for fun, then what's the difference of god and humans if you gonna act for fun?

[thorny steeple]

no problem, I'm not attacking you, I hope you didn't understand my position as if I'm being aggressive. I just wanted to show you why it's non-sequitur to argue God doesn't exist 'cause it sounds weird to you. for me it sounds more than natural, and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same.

allah already has everything, why even bother to create more

[thorny steeple]

yeah, i understand you, you are the only one who has opposite opinions with me and not acting offensive

[thorny steeple]

look, if you don't have the answer, it doesn't mean it's for fun or for no reason or 'cause he's bored (تعالى الله عن ذلك), Allah could've created us to manifest his attributes, such as الرحيم (the merciful) الحكيم (the wise) etc... I'm not saying that was the reason, but I'm just trying to show you that just because you don't know the reason, doesn't mean he doesn't exist or Islam is false.
his reason is only known for him. but he gave you your reason, which is to worship him alone, as he said "I did not create jinn and humans except to worship Me." [Qur'an 51:56], and I pretty much believe this is a very sufficient reason, and you don't have to think about something beyond our knowledge currently.

[thorny steeple]

but if there's no answer, then there's complaints and then nobody is guilty about that

[thorny steeple]

no. if I ask you, what color is dark energy? you won't have an answer, that doesn't mean dark energy doesn't exist, it just means we don't know what color is it.
if Allah exists, whether or not you know the reason behind creating you, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

[thorny steeple]

you might be right about that one

[quasi crown]

u can't be serious man

[thorny steeple]

he isn't for sure

[quasi crown]

may allah forgive him

[thorny steeple]

Allah is the merciful one, it will for sure

[quasi crown]

🤲

[broken birch]

There is 1 sin that Allah said he won't forgive for
It is associating him with another 'god'
If you were a Muslim or you didn't know that or you convert to islam
and stopped that sin
He is the merciful for sure and he can forgive you

[thorny steeple]

ah yeah you're right

i forgot that

[broken birch]

There are enough reasons explained by him that there isn't a god with him

[broken birch]

Even logical reasons if you asked me

[strong hound]

The main problem is every religion says that, it’s like when your parents ask you who’s right without explaining the problem and just gets mad when you don’t choose them

[vast vigil]

your speech is bullshit

[charred trail]

Why I can't message in general chat?

[hasty mist]

Same brother

[charred trail]

What I did ?

[vast vigil]

theres some profile decorations

[hasty mist]

I don't think we're muted or something

[vast vigil]

bro 10 min then you can chat

because theres profile decorating

[hasty mist]

Everyone have their own perspective brother. If something helps you, that's good for you.

[charred trail]

Aha

[worldly inlet]

hello

[hasty mist]

Hello

[worldly inlet]

how are you

[hasty mist]

I'm doin great. What about you?

[worldly inlet]

im good

[modern marlin]

Hello

[worldly inlet]

hello

how are you

[hasty mist]

What Pythonist means brother?

Python language?

[worldly inlet]

i don't know exactly but i'm a python user so i' m a Pythonist

[worldly inlet]

yes

i ask chat gpt to create name for my discord profil

[hasty mist]

[hasty mist]

I love chatgpt. It help way lot that some professors

[worldly inlet]

yeah

but he do a lot of errors

[hasty mist]

Yeah. Program is a Program afterall.

[worldly inlet]

yes

[hasty mist]

I use it like google. Atleast It gives clear answer

How long have you been learning python bro

[worldly inlet]

2 years but this years is like more action and do you learn programming

[hasty mist]

I wished to but later realised it takes a lot of time and practice.
So had to give up on that.

Learning some other skills so couldn't bring up time for it

[worldly inlet]

oh okay

[hasty mist]

you seeking career on that?

[worldly inlet]

yes

i just have 14 years old so...

[thorny steeple]

learn coding not by the full language but what you need

[hasty mist]

I don't have any particular need of it. I just wanted the coding skills. For backup.

You mean like I should learn basics

[worldly inlet]

yes

[hasty mist]

Youtube or classes?

[thorny steeple]

yea but also do projects like a simple calculator to test it out and improve it

[worldly inlet]

docs

[hasty mist]

Thanks for advice. Brother, If I learn one of the languges. Will I be able to grasp some basics of other languages too? or I gotta work on their basics too?

[worldly inlet]

learn basics of one language after learn another language

[thorny steeple]

well yea learn one of the languages and the door open like learn C that will open the doors other languages

[vast vigil]

wtf i dont even celebrate my own birthday and you are telling me about fucking Christmas

[hasty mist]

You lonely bro?

[rare prairie]

it doesn't matter which language you learn ultimately

[thorny steeple]

true start from easy to get on hard

[worldly inlet]

nah because if you start with c++ it will be hard

[rare prairie]

I learned python first and then moved to others

[hasty mist]

Python is said to be the easiest one right?

[rare prairie]

yeah

[vast vigil]

oh i read your bio and i understood

[thorny steeple]

yes easir than javascript

[rare prairie]

pure nightmare, I wish it didn't exist

[vast vigil]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hasty mist]

Like in comparison. what the difficulty level of C++

[thorny steeple]

had a coding class on in last year failed due to it being boring and difficult

[rare prairie]

javascript isn't difficult , the design of the language is gore

use Typescript if you can

[thorny steeple]

true the coding sentences are have to remembe each one or a fail will happened

[rare prairie]

what

[thorny steeple]

its design js for code it sure is a mess

[worldly inlet]

@thorny steeple you code i

[thorny steeple]

what do you mean?

[worldly inlet]

oh sorry you code in what 😅

[thorny steeple]

well i dont code in a while but do kniw the languages well

[worldly inlet]

okay

[thorny steeple]

python im saying the print statemen in python is easier than js one

[worldly inlet]

yeah

[civic reef]

i would rephrase this to "javascript is not difficult compared to other languages like C or Java", because initially, for non-programmers, javascript is very difficult

its like, the fact that its not really challenging is only true if you know programming already, if this is the first language you will ever learn, then javascript is not easy at all

python is probably the easiest language for someone entirely new, cuz its intuitive and the syntax just makes sense, unlike JS

[stoic breach]

hello, serious chat :)

it's base

[feral river]

the best way to code is copy and paste 🤣

that is so damn true

no more israel hamas war please, the winner is clear and undoubted

[broken birch]

Islam, Christian and Jewish
They all worship the same god
But the problem is they don't worship him alone

[feral river]

well religion is a major factor that justifies which land is belongs to you

but your land based on your power

the most powerful country controls more land

[broken birch]

Some of them actually worship him alone but these religions are distorted

While islam is still telling people to worship the same god and it doesn't changed

[feral river]

Superpowers serve as chess players, regional powers serve as pawns, and weak states serve as chessboards.

what a simple fact

[strong hound]

Ik Christianity worships Jesus as god and one of them thinks Jesus was a prophet and another idk

[broken birch]

That's the difference between other religions and islam

[strong hound]

But there are other religions though, Hinduism, bhuddism, (idk is Jewish is its own religion or it’s just Judaism)

[feral river]

I think islam is a good tool to unite the middle east and north africa to establish a great Islamic state

but it didn't happen so.....

[broken birch]

They all worships too many gods and if im right Hinduisms worships cows

[strong hound]

Yeah

[feral river]

the caliphae collapsed and it will never be assembled again.

[broken birch]

That's why these religions doesn't make sense to the most of people

[strong hound]

They’re still the majority in parts of the world, regardless of how much sense it makes, if you were raised in a religion, you’re likely to practice it

If religion didn’t exist, and today someone started talking about this omnipotent guy, it wouldn’t make much sense to anyone

[broken birch]

That's true
And it was one of the most challenging things that out prophets faced

[broken birch]

Fun fact
There are about 2b Muslims around the world

[strong hound]

It’s one of the only things that makes me consider the possibility of a god

[strong hound]

The Middle East has a lot of people

[broken birch]

Its not only in the middle east

[strong hound]

Its majority is

[broken birch]

Nope

[strong hound]

No?

Ik Morocco is Muslim

And some scattered around the world

[broken birch]

If we said that 80% of Saudi people are Muslims
That means they are less than 40m

[broken birch]

And everyone knows that Saudi Arabia has the highest percentage of Muslim people ( im not sure if it was 80% btw)

[broken birch]

Compared to how many people are in there

[strong hound]

Proportion is different from quantity

[broken birch]

Lemme search for something

[strong hound]

There are correlations but it’s less than you think

If you take like 10% India, that would be more than 100% of saudi

[broken birch]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_Middle_East
Its 20% lol

[strong hound]

Damn

I’m not a religion expert but I assumed it’s primarily in the Middle East

Lemme look it up

[broken birch]

Ig the most of Muslims live in south east asia

[broken birch]

Specially in Indonesia and Malaysia

[strong hound]

That’s unexpected

I thought Asia was mainly Hinduism and bhuddism

[strong hound]

U were right

[broken birch]

Oh I've forgot to mention North Africa

[strong hound]

I mentioned it

I think

Yk it’s funny

Every time someone tries to convert me, they always mention the benefits of believing in a god, and not why it’s likely that a god exisits

[broken birch]

Ig it won't make sense to me if i wasn't Muslim
Cuz first of all you must convince the others that god exists
Then convince them that islam is right

[feral river]

that's east asia and south asia

[strong hound]

Ye but they make up of like 25% of the world’s population

[strong hound]

Yeah

There’s no doubt that our world exists

[feral river]

yeah and most of religion in east asia is almost all being merged to non-religion

[strong hound]

But we don’t know how or why ig

[strong hound]

Yeah

[feral river]

in here, religion != power and rule

that's the difference

unlike the middle east and north africa

you don't have any power in our state such as China, Japan, Korea, and other east asian state if you are the head of a religion or something

[broken birch]

Well look, maybe its my belief cuz i was born as a Muslim
But i think that if god created you to worship him, you must obey
Even if you don't know why, cuz he is the one who created you and created everything
So you don't really need another reason to obey him cuz at the end you have 2 types of people
Who enters the paradise, and who enters the hell

[feral river]

you have a religion prove nothing you can rule our people, but it was NOT in middle east

[strong hound]

The problem with that thought process is that we don’t know if he exists or created us or created us to worship him

[feral river]

in the middle east, the most religious people really being popular and controls actual power, such as militias, groups, even they establish a government by themselves

it justifies everything you can explain and prove, or not

[strong hound]

It’s easier to pretend like you believe in something than to call it out

[sharp elm]

Hi there
I have an English writing test coming up tomorrow
What should i do?

[broken birch]

Ig there are enough informations that god exists

[sharp elm]

Are there any tips to help me write well in any question?

[gaunt bronze]

use the question in your answer!

for a writing test (especially if it isn't that creative), just use the question in your answer (e.g. if the question is 'Why did Snow White die?' you can respond w/ "Snow White died because...". the "snow white died" is taken from the question)

you could change it up a little too ofc!!

but i'd do that if your time is limited

[feral river]

well literally that's the truth

truth is which you deny then you are a clown and stupid.

however you justify it or not, it was there and it was always there

it never changed

so, better use an actual event to convince me such as, Hamas annexed Israel

not talking the fucking genocide or massacre or something they do, it's pointless and I don't fucking care

you can't do anything even they did something terrible

they do have power but you do not

[feral river]

well you can pay me and make me care, like give me 50 bucks then I will say free palestine

[thorny steeple]

well, your "guess" is absolutely right. the erroneous thought process is the one that assumes the non-existence of the ultimate creator, there are almost infinite amount of evidence all around us.

I've experience both worlds since I'm an ex-atheist, and I know for sure how absurd the assumption that the ultimate creator doesn't exist.

[feral river]

well the atheist doesn't care that, they care what they believes

same work on non-atheists

[thorny steeple]

May Allah bless them with food, shelter, and the relief from this war. 🤲

[sharp blaze]

Why religion again

[feral river]

no more religion

[thorny steeple]

I was talking about myself. with all due respect, I couldn't care less what other atheists believe or don't believe, I get all kind of offenses and insults when inviting people to the truth, the only reason I do it is for the sake of Allah only. Alhamdulillah.

[feral river]

hummm okay

that is your freedom

[broken birch]

In my life, I have not seen someone who keeps telling bullshit as much as you

The only thing that was true the marriage of a 9 yo
It maybe sounds weird, but in that time it was normal

[noble zephyr]

And you wanna say that you‘re not brainwashed?🤨

You can read in studies that the Bible is more than 70% inspired by the Koran, so it is also composed

I personally respect all religions and have read all the books of all religions
But what I have zero respect for is when people spread untruths and disrespect other people

Sad you are...

[broken birch]

As long as Menstrual cycle for women started, she is able to marry
Now that's not legal but its still halal

[broken birch]

And you are talking about someone who passed away 14 centuries ago
And he is not the only one who did actually

[thorny steeple]

@broken birch @noble zephyr
guys, literally nobody is saying bull*hit. you need to treat nobody as he is, nobody.

[tall sundial]

Hi m°h@med ,

My name is also m°h@med

[feral river]

holy shit no more religions guys it's pointless

no one cares you trust god or not, it's your freedom

Don't think everyone should trust god or not, that's other's freedom

what can you do if I don't trust god huh ?

you can do nothing

really sick no more please

[noble zephyr]

Oh man ok ok you‘re Right👍🙏

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/all-the-arguing-fighting-has-to-stop-bet-the-christmas-lottery-gif-19566108

[fathom vine]

How can it be inspired Bible by Quran?
When Bible is older

[noble zephyr]

Not the old testament but the new

[fathom vine]

He woke up the wrong side today forgive hem

[fathom vine]

So by this we can say Quran is inspired by old Bible

Or im understanding u wrong?

[noble zephyr]

😂

If you believe in that it‘s ok
You know that we wouldn’t find a solution if I believe that and you believe that

I said it already

I have already read the books of all 3 world religions and found them all interesting
My motto in life is: Live and let live

[fathom vine]

I dont belive any of them . I just was trying to understand you .

With this u say now you just put down your “fact” that 70% of Bible is inspired by Quran .

So u based on your belief not fact not even asking for your source u dropped it pretty fast

[fathom vine]

🫡

Im tired of this war lol. It’s everywhere

[tall sundial]

Hi

No any one free

[real acorn]

Wdym?

@noble zephyr I'm suggesting you to study before speaking here.

[noble zephyr]

Oh ok
I‘m sorry man

[real acorn]

It's fine, everyone makes mistakes.

May Allah forgive us.

[noble zephyr]

Now I have a city to burn

[broken birch]

I've won give me the prize

[fathom vine]

Only dm

[real acorn]

@prisma jay Nothing is funny.

[real acorn]

May you be given guidance by him.

[thorny steeple]

Baphomet

The issue remains as of now, nothin has been fixed

[real acorn]

He is a real enemy to mankind.

[real acorn]

Stop saying anything nonsense.

[real acorn]

Stop with your satanic things.

[warped scroll]

Non-believers are obsessed with religions more than believers

[sharp blaze]

I swear to god bro

Like he is about to put that hand into your mouth

[real acorn]

Well, it's up to you

May you be given guidance by Allah.

[warped scroll]

They're troll dude Don't take them seriously

[real acorn]

Okay, I'm sorry.
Talking to him made me angry.

[warped scroll]

It's those kind of people's aim So just let it go

[real acorn]

Okay.

[warped scroll]

You can be sure The devil laugh at them more than us

[humble lion]

Its better to shut ur mouth ig

[lavish finch]

You have a problem?

[humble lion]

No

[lavish finch]

Really?

It seemed that you didn’t like what Nobody was saying

[humble lion]

True

[lavish finch]

What exactly did he say that you didn’t like?

[humble lion]

Everything

Last text

[lavish finch]

That’s a famous quote from a great book, an epic poem.

[humble lion]

Oh really

[lavish finch]

Paradise Lost, by John Milton

[humble lion]

Took it for a personal statement

[lavish finch]

It’s a provocative idea for sure

[humble lion]

Not if u view it as a poem

[lavish finch]

The poem tells the story of Satan

But in the story Satan is the hero not the villain.

That’s what makes it a provocative idea

It recasts Satan out of his typical role

And encourages us to rethink his rebellion against heaven

You don’t have to agree with it

But there’s no need to take it just personally

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/45718/paradise-lost-book-1-1674-version

[humble lion]

I wouldn't have if i was aware about the poem

[lavish finch]

So you’re saying that God is responsible for all evil.

[abstract hamlet]

Hii

[broken birch]

Lol

[lavish finch]

Izel would like it both ways. For God to be responsible for hell but not responsible for hell.

You can’t have it both ways.

That’s the point of the poem. That’s why it’s such a wonderful piece of literature.

[broken birch]

Just say الحمدلله الذي عافانا

[real acorn]

Okay!

[broken birch]

The human brain is one of the most wonderful blessings

[real acorn]

Yes, it is.

[broken birch]

I don't need to reply to this bullshit

[fathom vine]

It is actually so perfect.
And science not being able to explain it properly how it is created it leads humans to believe in a Supernatural Being.
They throw that bullshit of (bing bang ) and is not a fact yet

not understanding u what u mean

We dont know ? So what does that change

[broken birch]

Can I ask you a question

How old are you

[fathom vine]

I mean he is kind and scary. So if he did that we still cant do shit can we?

[broken birch]

Cuz it seems like im talking to a 9yo boy

[fathom vine]

@broken birch age doesn’t matter if u can give hem good arguments give .
What age have to do on this lol

Maybe…who knows
U see we dont know shit

[broken birch]

Sorry but it's too stupid if you asked me

They don't

[fathom vine]

Santa Claus is actually related to Pagans so still ur argument doesn’t help here

[fathom vine]

It not just because others don’t believe in Allah doesn’t mean he is stupid

[broken birch]

Ik but he keeps saying stupid things

[thorny steeple]

we don't know anything else except what he said to us
as"Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “He is Allah—One ˹and Indivisible˺;
Allah—the Sustainer ˹needed by all˺.
He has never had offspring, nor was He born
And there is none comparable to Him.”
that is what we know about him

[fathom vine]

We’ll accept satan is accepting also the Supernatural Being (God Allah Jesus etc etc )

[broken birch]

Ik a lot of people that they are not Muslims and most of them have some good questions and ideas

[thorny steeple]

ur morally wrong and evil desires*

[real acorn]

...

[broken birch]

But this guy makes me feel like im talking to a 9yo ngl

[thorny steeple]

fr

[fathom vine]

I can’t fight with you ate this part because i don’t believe in religions also

Well we have no profs of Bing bang also so ??
We either believe in it or in God

[steel prism]

the three main monotheist religions have been created by charismatic individuals back then who had natural skills to brainwash people, we call them prophets, and it's amazing that these religions are still a thing in our era

[fathom vine]

Probably… but we not sure on that also

Now you being childish.
Jumping from one topic to another and just spitting nonsense

[feral river]

well the god justifies everything but if you think it’s gonna change the physical world

then you are stupid

the global rule is based on power

[fathom vine]

What profs??
Just someone said billion years ago from nowhere two atoms combined together bla bla bla ?

U really gonna rely on that?

[broken birch]

Tell me who created you satan and that emperor

[feral river]

and how many troops does gods have ?

how many troops does gods have ? -Stalin

woah woah woah don’t take it to dictatorships

[real acorn]

@broken birch Ignore them all.

[broken birch]

Well idk what to say

[fathom vine]

Than again from nowhere a crature on watter just come out and evolve with other billion years and bla bla bla

[feral river]

dictator could provide an amazing state for their people

but only for their own people

it suffers their own people if that man is a crazy guy

or a loser

[fathom vine]

My Grandfather was Muslim also my father but im not Muslim. So your words here drop down
But I better believe in something Supernatural Being that created us than believing in science spitting some nonsense and making it seems right by putting some “billion million years on it )

[feral river]

well science is power

but Is Islam represents the power ?

[fathom vine]

I agree

[feral river]

then there is the logic, science is power, and the most powerful state rules the world

[fathom vine]

We was talking if God is real or not not who is the right religion

[feral river]

well, I have to say it’s good if you find your belief for a better life

but it’s stupid if you think that really exist and ignores the fact

[fathom vine]

I will stuck with being a baliever on God .
Like there is something that have created us .
But about the religions im against them

[fathom vine]

The only fact we have about Bing bang are some math equations and some billions million year on the side of it

[broken birch]

Well you was talking about the big bang before
And let me tell you, when you combine science with religion you are likely to find the right answer
The big bang still a theory but we have some proofs from Qur'an that the big bang is real
أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمنُونَ
"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
This ayah has many interpretations، one of them supports the big bang theory

[feral river]

well, only one question, did God actually affect our modern rule ?

it’s a yes or no question

[fathom vine]

It will be just another explanation
Sience to rely on it and Muslims to have something to believe on it and make it the right religion for them lol

[feral river]

yes, god choose everything

no, god doesn’t exist, everything has their own rule

[broken birch]

Oh right sorry

[feral river]

the science is the key factor that proves everything has their own rule

[fathom vine]

I think we have free will . He created us and throw us into Earth

What have happened next it was from us only

I would say no

[feral river]

that’s right if you think it’s yes, then you are denying the exist of science

and it’s absolute absurd

[broken birch]

I've edited the message

[broken birch]

Sorry i didn't understand

[fathom vine]

Science its the best thing we have evolved and we should work more on it . I cant deny it . Its a fact we watching with our own eyes

[feral river]

you put your mug with water to your table and you gonna drink it

because you put that on your table and you pour the water into the mug so that you can drink

not the god pour the water into the mug and make you drink it

that’s a simple example

[broken birch]

Well why would god do that for you lol

[feral river]

because they won’t do so I don’t trust them

they did nothing to me why would I believes him ?

it’s not my interest

at least did something good for me

[broken birch]

He is not obligated to serve you، neither make you believe that he exists

[feral river]

I don’t need to believe anything doesn’t affect me

it’s my shit

[fathom vine]

@feral river I believe we have free will lol. What does that have to do with God
I dont think God have writed everything we will do in life like Muslim believe

[fathom vine]

Than we all would believe in hem

[feral river]

in here we suppresses muslim because their actions

they are threat of our state

we put them into concentration camp

to re-educate them

what a nice choice

[broken birch]

Well it's hard to explain sense you haven't experienced being a Muslim, but we as Muslims know that everything affects us in all time its our god's well
So he does affect actually, and we are in our god's blessing all the time

[feral river]

I said it’s good you have a belief to live better

but it’s stupid if you deny the fact and ignores the exist of science

[fathom vine]

There are chill Muslims that have a bit of belief and science love on them . They the best people u can meet i know few .

And there are the Muslim that are sooooo deep spiritual into religion. Which i dont like them

[feral river]

because your god doesn’t represent the absolute rule

the science represent the rule

because science = power

[fathom vine]

@feral river which state u from ?

[broken birch]

I didn't, and we as Muslims know that science does not conflict with religion, and guess who created our science rules, its god

[feral river]

People’s Republic of China

[ancient walrus]

i found this convo interesting so wanted to join lol

@mc are you from china?

oh

[fathom vine]

U live in China?

[feral river]

yes

I live here 21 years I’m a majority chinese

[fathom vine]

Lol it does conflict what u talking about

[ancient walrus]

well it goes without saying that putting people in concentration camps is inhumane but
why do you think they are a threat to the state? i am curious