🧠｜serious-chat

[tribal linden]

Ik. It wad not for him. It was just a statement regarding the different religions exist.

[thorny steeple]

the only reason he's clowning himself is to irritate us, honestly I'm just laughing at him right now, not even slightly irritated. 😂

[tribal linden]

Neither am i

We are good

@thorny steeple btw bro. He seems talented to me. "Pasta Monster" is a whole new concept. Can keep him as a screenwriter.

[hollow dust]

I disagree.

[craggy sphinx]

I think that you spend a lot of time watching cartoons

[tribal linden]

That was for flare man. Im terrible at arguing

[tribal linden]

But you can say youre points.

[hollow dust]

Fair. I'm pretty unconcerned with religion, but there's still plenty of meaning to be derived from life. I'd argue that the purpose of religion is derived from philosophy itself, and philosophy gives meaning to people through various interpretations.

[tribal linden]

I see. What about youre family? Do youre parents practice any certain religion?

[craggy sphinx]

this requires adjustment

[hollow dust]

Not particularly often. They were raised Christian.

[tribal linden]

Btw i dont know much about christianity...Do you guys have daily prayers?

[hollow dust]

Usually depends on how devoted they are. A lot of Christian families pray before eating.

[thorny steeple]

Without the flourishing of science in Muslim lands in the past, the modern world might not have algorithms or algebra

[tribal linden]

Man, im just trynna figure out how the muslim emperor, the Khilafat fall apart.
I mean since then, the ummah is going throug so many tough situation. But obviously prophet pbuh has talked so many times about all these situation during his lifetime.
@thorny steeple Bro left me hanging

[tribal linden]

You guys also pray going to churches. Is it daily or weekly like only sunday?

[hollow dust]

Church is usually just a Sunday thing.

[tribal linden]

And what does the most devoted christian do? Do they do anything else than praying before meal?

[hollow dust]

Probably bible study and praying more frequently for the most part. Before bed, after waking up maybe.

[tribal linden]

Gotcha

[warped scroll]

My friend tried to enter a church but staff didnt let him enter it bc it wasnt sunday Is it normal?

[thorny steeple]

It will rise again! Islam will win Islam will conquer all other religions and American power will diminish to nothing, Allah will make Islam prevail in the world and it’s the end of all times. Save your lost self otherwise you’ll lose. It’s a matter of time..allah tests us.. like what is happening in Palestine … u must choose one side to be with either right path (standing with Palestine) or wrong (Israel) . This is from Quran (And that Allah may purify the believers [through trials] and destroy the disbelievers)and ما كان الله ليذر المؤمنين على ما أنتم عليه حتى يميز الخبيث من الطيب Allah will not leave the believers in the state in which you are now, until He distinguishes the wicked from the good. Nor will Allah disclose to you the secrets of the Ghaib (unseen), but Allah chooses of His Messengers whom He pleases. So believe in Allah and His Messengers. And if you believe and fear Allah, then for you there is a great reward.

@tribal linden

@prisma jay

@all

[craggy sphinx]

not so much

[tribal linden]

God is the greatest planner.

[craggy sphinx]

this is not a scientific book

[tribal linden]

Allah SWT is the greatest. His plans are the greatest.

[broken birch]

You can't understand the concept (the well of allah) with this mindset

[tribal linden]

He knows everything man. He's just playing

[broken birch]

Lemme tell you the difference between what you think and what we think

Why do you think that allah is not doing anything to the Palestinians

[broken birch]

You will probably say that he can't

But i will tell you that allah is not forced to do anything for you to make you believe
Its simply you are the one who need to believe cuz all the disbelievers are going to hell and have an endless suffer

[mint marsh]

hey guys how are you doing

[mint marsh]

yes

[broken birch]

Our prophet says
When allah loves someone he gives him a test
This test comes as a disaster, a bad situation, sickness or anything that makes your life harder
(BECAUSE) he want you to walk on the earth without any sin

[broken birch]

All these tests removes your sins when you patient

And when you believe this is a test

[broken birch]

Allah said there are some types of people that he is going to let him go to the paradise directly without a judgement or punishment
And these people called (shohadaa) whichs died in the war while they where right or someone who got killed and many things that allah told us in Qur'an

[broken birch]

The Palestinians consider as shohadaa and they are in a great blessing
So why would allah love this type of people and at the same type helps him at in the war without suffering and get Allah's blessing

[broken birch]

• in Qur'an allah already said that at the end of the time Palestine is gonna be freed

[tribal linden]

Dont even mention them . They have ninjas all over that region

I'll never dare to even look at them

[broken birch]

Actually he said that jews are going to do all what have already done now from the beginning of the Israel thing

[broken birch]

And right
That was written 1440 years ago

[thorny steeple]

well said brother, MashAllah. 🤍
I don't recommend arguing with that guy though, he's a bigoted Islamphobic atheist, he can't even maintain a proper intellectual discussion.

[mint marsh]

Even logically, what this person is saying is completely wrong ,We ask God to guide him

[broken birch]

That's so true

[tribal linden]

Middle east is really important region. Many of the incidents of the last era will take place in Middle East. Even the Hashr field after qiyamah will be slmewhere in Middle East ig. Sorry im not at all sure about it.

[broken birch]

Yeah it will be in the sham

Or (yemen)

[tribal linden]

Thanks bro for assuring

[tribal linden]

It will be somewhere in middle east prolly

[broken birch]

Yes

It will be a day that in earth = 50000 years

So set your self well while you still alive

[tribal linden]

Bro everybody talks about last signs, last era, doomsday. But eventually many of us will not see that. What we will see is ourselves in the grave. You know, the "Ajab of Qabr". And no one really talks about that.

[broken birch]

Try to be one of the people who are under the shadow of Allah

[broken birch]

We all hope that we don't see

Cuz it will be at the time when the worst people are alive

[thorny steeple]

which person?

[thorny steeple]

trt? what does that mean?

[broken birch]

Sry i meant true

[abstract cypress]

flying spaghetti monster has just revealed to me the end times will happen in new jersey

[thorny steeple]

I see, no worries.

[tribal linden]

Yeah man. Its prolly after our Esa pbuh death. People will forget the message of Esa pbuh and they will be messy.

[thorny steeple]

another bigoted Islamophobic atheist clowning himself? well, I'm disengaging. 👋

[abstract cypress]

Didn't even reference islam 😂

[thorny steeple]

did I say you did?

[abstract cypress]

you did. You're quoting me as islamophobic

[thorny steeple]

it was a question, can't you see the question mark?

[abstract cypress]

It's an accusation, and an unfounded one at that 🤠

[broken birch]

What is that spaghetti monster you are talking about

[abstract cypress]

God

[thorny steeple]

whatever you wanna believe. 🤷‍♂️

[broken birch]

Bruh

[abstract cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/fsm-spaghetti-monster-gif-5611270

[broken birch]

How can this thing be a god

[abstract cypress]

cuz someone believes in it

your god is god to you cuz you believe in it

that's what all religions are based on, belief

pass to buddhism since they dont have a god

[broken birch]

Our god is god either we believe or not

[abstract cypress]

if I dont believe god exists then she doesnt exists to me

I'm not an atheist though

[broken birch]

But he exists either way

[abstract cypress]

and this is true because?

[broken birch]

Let's say im not believing that you exist
Does that means that you don't?

[abstract cypress]

I'm typing here. I exist either way

[broken birch]

Maybe you are a chat bot so you don't

[abstract cypress]

You can call me AI, or a robot, but I'm here 😀

[broken birch]

Exactly

[abstract cypress]

but the bot exists

[broken birch]

That's how god exists either way you believe or not

[broken birch]

Hmmm

[abstract cypress]

if I'm a bot then I exist nonetheless since I typed here

mind if you can ask god to make a discord account?

[grim void]

You don't believe in God huh

Kohelet ?

[broken birch]

God already make everything exist and you are asking now how does he exist

Thats too stupid fr

[grim void]

You aethist guys fr dumb

[abstract cypress]

how do you know she makes everything?

[grim void]

Listen it's all about believe

[abstract cypress]

I'm undecided on god

[thorny steeple]

Lol, he did all the reasoning that effectively proves God's existence, then proceeded to nonsense, I'm starting to believe some people are hopeless. 😂

[abstract cypress]

dharmic religions makes more sense to me than the abrahamic dogma though

[abstract cypress]

must have missed that, point it out please? 😀

[thorny steeple]

this is called agnostic atheism. I know 'cause I was one.

[grim void]

Bro you don't believe cool but don't comprehend in front of people in seek ok attention

[broken birch]

First its not she
Second its simply in a scientific sight
Go and read newton lows

[mint marsh]

who says that israel supported by god and any of that nonsense

[abstract cypress]

atheism requires you to not believe in god. I don't believe god strictly does not exist

[abstract cypress]

why can't god be a she?
and which laws you're referring to?

[broken birch]

In another way
Its not possible from anything to exist without someone making it exist

[grim void]

Bruh

You guys are fighting over existence of God

Stop it

[abstract cypress]

curious since there's actually things that both exist and don't at the same time, or flip flopped between existing or not existing and causing each other

[grim void]

☠️

[broken birch]

I don't remember but its that one talks about mass

[abstract cypress]

I like the concept of parabrahman though

[abstract cypress]

i'm curious, explain to me

[broken birch]

And why its not a she
Cuz he talks about him self as a male in many religions ik

[abstract cypress]

don't think in all religions tbh, god is genderless in hinduism and chinese religion

[broken birch]

Idk but in our religion if you want to speak about god you should use he

[abstract cypress]

you refer as a he, and I refer as a she

[thorny steeple]

I don't necessarily have to see you to know you exist, and then I can proceed and know some of your features, for instance, I know you use English, I know your nickname on Discord is Kohelet etc...

this is the same reason why Allah exists.

[abstract cypress]

I typed here, so you would know.

[thorny steeple]

through the evidence, which I provided some of them above.

[thorny steeple]

I mean once before in this chat.

[thorny steeple]

Allah is beyond gender. Allah is no man, no woman. Allah has no spouse or children. But the Quran was revealed (ph) in Arabic and linguistically, Allah's referred to as he, which is the masculine pronoun howwa in Arabic, throughout the Quran.

[abstract cypress]

why don't allah speak to us people? neither did I see yahweh speaking

[abstract cypress]

^

[broken birch]

Yeah you are right

[thorny steeple]

You can't just say that, linguistically wrong in Arabic (the main language)

[abstract cypress]

i'm talking about god, you and i have different conceptions of god

[broken birch]

Im out

[royal ledge]

What kind of this discussion no mutual respect or anything

[thorny steeple]

<@&852814479569059840>

[broken birch]

Enough of this nonsense

[abstract cypress]

i don't see your god as my god, vice versa

[thorny steeple]

Hello? Mods??

[thorny steeple]

The god is beyond human mind in most beliefs, so

[broken birch]

Right

[abstract cypress]

yeah ik but if you can refer god as he then why not she

or them

it's indescribable anyway so any pronoun would do

[thorny steeple]

I don't actually refer god as he or she

[abstract cypress]

that's interesting

[thorny steeple]

Isn't it better to say "it"

[abstract cypress]

that would actually be more proper

since it is indescribable

yeah gender neutrality

[thorny steeple]

"He" -howwa in arabic- can be gender neutral according to linguistics

[broken birch]

Isn't (it) used for things and animals

[elfin orchid]

every living things has gender because they are needed. If there is a god i don't think it needs a gender.

[abstract cypress]

im talking about god tho not necessarily your god

[broken birch]

How can you use ot for god

[thorny steeple]

If god is a thing, then it is right

[elfin orchid]

Nope not at all

[abstract cypress]

technically god is a thing

it's a thing that everything is not

hinduism has a brilliant concept for this: neti neti

[thorny steeple]

I am talking generally

[broken birch]

That's true

[thorny steeple]

I don't believe in god

[abstract cypress]

yeah but your faith isn't generally

[broken birch]

Allah said that he is not a father neither a son

[thorny steeple]

If there is one, then it's way more complicated than any descriptions of any religion or belief

[abstract cypress]

for real

quoting Buddha

[formal scaffold]

Hey good people of discord, I see your ideas about god differs and that's only to be natural

[elfin orchid]

I think its hard to say an "exact" thing but i think in that way too

[mint marsh]

Do you have a compelling reason for this?

[abstract cypress]

definetly

[broken birch]

But how about if god talks about him self using (he)

[thorny steeple]

I am talking about linguistics ,yet you assume that I am talking about my faith or my God specifically.

Because like in islam "jannah" and "jahannam(?)" is just like a basic thing to just make people easily believe in and not make their minds busy

[abstract cypress]

god doesn't present itself as he in all languages and faiths

[formal scaffold]

as in neutral pronoun? or masculin?

[thorny steeple]

Who heard god talking though?

[abstract cypress]

maybe in yours but not always others

[thorny steeple]

Yeah I do

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

I'm more like agnostic or smthing

[formal scaffold]

maybe it's a language thing, since in french and arabic they have masculin an feminin for objects, so example: a table can be feminine

[broken birch]

We as Muslims believe that Qur'an is our god speech

[royal ledge]

There many major disputes but yall focus on gender issue? Thats weird

[abstract cypress]

that's true as well, we have ungendered languages

[broken birch]

Fr

[thorny steeple]

I know, I was a muslim before

[mint marsh]

tell us one

[thorny steeple]

Allah said "They say, “Why has no ˹visible˺ angel come with him?” Had We sent down an angel, the matter would have certainly been settled ˹at once˺,1 and they would have never been given more time ˹to repent˺." [Qur'an 6:8], if he wouldn't send an angel 'cause that would make everybody believe on the spot, imagine speaking to us.
life is a test. Allah says in many verses in the Qur'an "don't you reflect" and in many places he encourages people to reason and to learn and gain knowledge. the more you learn about the nature around you the more you realized it's complexity and beauty, and the more you reason the more you realize, there should be a creator. and then you would also realize that this creator mustn't be created, he must be the startpoint, otherwise, we would have an infinite chain of creations and creators regressing, in which case (and 'cause infinity doesn't have a beginning) we wouldn't be here chatting.

[thorny steeple]

It's so complex though but I will try my best

[thorny steeple]

Exactly, So you can go by whatever pronouns your God chose to go by, Simple as that. So why doesn't your God go by they/them? A question for you

[formal scaffold]

"and nothing is like him and he's the most hearing the most perceiving"

[thorny steeple]

<@&852814479569059840>

[broken birch]

We all die you don't need to worry

[thorny steeple]

Nah you will not go away with that

[thorny steeple]

yes, SubhanAllah.

[spring zephyr]

sup dude?

[thorny steeple]

There is someone who is saying the n word

[spring zephyr]

tell me who.

[thorny steeple]

You can check chat logs I don't remember his username

[elfin orchid]

But don't you think Qur'an is not the best way to talk about its laws. Especially when you think about the "book" is created in the Arabia. But there are a lot country in the world. Don't you think there is a much better way to do this, i mean it is the "God". God can make everything but it needs prophets to spread to the world the Quran

[abstract cypress]

well if allah expects people to believe in him because allegedly he said so to one man, then the entire faith hangs on the presumption of the man speaks true, and then it would just be blind faith

so we're going back to square one, people believe cuz they wanna believe

and for your concerns about infinite regress, it seems that it has happened already because things can just plop in and out of existence or cause and uncause each other. It does result in us here chatting, though

[abstract cypress]

i don't adhere to a single fixed concept of god, so sometimes i call god he, or she, or they, and it won't matter cuz i cant describe god

since yknow they're supposed to be beyond our understanding

[formal scaffold]

belief is a choice agreed

[broken birch]

He don't need
If Allah wants he will make everyone Muslim from the beginning

[abstract cypress]

true this

[elfin orchid]

I don't think that god needs your faith

[abstract cypress]

I don't follow any concept of god but i follow a religion, taoism is interesting and such i decided to implement parts of it

[formal scaffold]

salama

[broken birch]

Im not that deep in these topics so im not able to explain more
So if you want you can search for this topic

[broken birch]

That's true

[formal scaffold]

what's taoism ?

[abstract cypress]

it's a chinese philosophy, or religion, depending on how you look at it

[thorny steeple]

First of all, why did it created other creatures? My answers are like this:

• Just basically it doesn't exist.

• If god has every single thing and there's no time for god, then we are probably one of these everything that exist. It just has to exist because god has everything, even nothingless at the same time. (I don't know how to explain it my English is not enough to describe)

• There's some other things that we don't know about like maybe it needs us to exist or something but I don't think that's just a basic thing that "your human mind is not enough to understand 🤓"
  ...

[abstract cypress]

just like buddhism

[thorny steeple]

Can you tell us more about Taoism (how it started and when...)

Well like, these are weak reasons

[formal scaffold]

you changed bro

[thorny steeple]

I have more but can't describe

[formal scaffold]

when did u try that? taoisme

[abstract cypress]

it isn't a fixed concept, but it's started by laozi around 6th century bc

[abstract cypress]

i am always searching for answers

[thorny steeple]

Islam has its evidence and proofs, just like the existence of God has its evidence and proofs.

if you're referencing virtual particles, they don't come in and out of existence, they appear to be so, that's the reason they are called "virtual".

[formal scaffold]

you seem cool rn

[abstract cypress]

i'm ethnic chinese so i've already understood some of the concepts

[thorny steeple]

Interesting! I will read about it in my free time

[thorny steeple]

There's a lot of proofs for Islam is the wrong religion and the god exist but I can't describe

[royal ledge]

So everyone has a religious or so called concepts? So there is no atheist i suppose

[formal scaffold]

nobody asked

[thorny steeple]

I'm sure you can find some on the net

[formal scaffold]

who?

[thorny steeple]

Can you please try to show me those proofs, I would love to know how other ppl see my religion. I can also correct your thoughts and stuff

[elfin orchid]

i see that there is a boomer or something like that :/

[thorny steeple]

Yeah that's right, people believe because they want to

[broken birch]

Okay who saw this thing you are talking about

[royal ledge]

Ok anyone who believe there is a god, believe this god. Beg to this god. If really there is a god it has to be same and one. So you should be in right path. Do not strict to any idea

[abstract cypress]

the evidence and proofs that hangs on the belief that a man's statements are true, is still an evidence that hangs on belief

and no, I don't reference virtual particles, as photons and ions are not theoretical

[thorny steeple]

You muslim, right?

[abstract cypress]

fr

[thorny steeple]

provide sources and I'll be happy to refute them for you. I've heard countless arguments trying to disprove Islam, none of them were even near honestly.

[thorny steeple]

Yea, I am a Muslim

[thorny steeple]

I will try to find some

[abstract cypress]

do read it, it's more like a philosophy compared to abrahamic faiths

[mint marsh]

Your beliefs are completely illogical, so don't discuss them

[thorny steeple]

Ic Ic

[abstract cypress]

everyone's belief are illogical to the other 😂

in the end it's your ego that determines which is the best

therefore belief

[broken birch]

Okay I've lost enough brain cells

The only thing I can say thank god for the brain blessing

[thorny steeple]

I actually follow a good YT channel right about that but it's all Turkish :(

[abstract cypress]

https://youtu.be/-bgWnzjONXE?feature=shared

I like this guy

[broken birch]

May i ask you a question

[abstract cypress]

His theology is similar to hinduism

[thorny steeple]

Is there captions?

[thorny steeple]

sure yeah

[abstract cypress]

he got takfird by taymiyyah tho

[thorny steeple]

I don't understand your first statement. please elaborate.

photons and ions are caused, nothing suggests any breaking out of causality even in Quantum Mechanics.

[mint marsh]

Why don't you believe allah then? The emperor doesn't let you?

[thorny steeple]

there isn't

[mint marsh]

of course .My brain hurts from really discussing them

[thorny steeple]

Can you not make fun of other's beliefs? Thank you.

[broken birch]

You said that you were a Muslim then you became atheist after hearing some proofs
Did you look out for the validity of the things you heard?

[thorny steeple]

I'm not an atheist and mostly, I created my own proofs that's logical

[royal ledge]

It is bout life outlook. Just ignore him he thinks he is funny

[sharp blaze]

don't watch too much cartoon

[thorny steeple]

And yeah, I always seek for validity of the things I hear

[broken birch]

Lol

[mint marsh]

You are not trying to understand us and you are not trying to think logically, so you are not discussing

[broken birch]

Okay what about hearing something that proves that islam is right
I mean trying both sides then decide

[sharp blaze]

at least i aint retar.-ded to be a usa fan lol

[thorny steeple]

That's fine for sure

[sharp blaze]

imagine supporting mental whores

[thorny steeple]

I always seek for being wrong, that's how it works

[broken birch]

She wins

[broken birch]

Well good luck
I hope you find the truth

[abstract cypress]

this evidence and proof you are talking about, is true based on the belief it is true because a man said so. Therefore, to know the evidence is truth, one still needs belief.

There have been instances of photons being in more than one state at the same time, essentially both existing and not existing all at once. Where is the causality when these things happen?

[sharp blaze]

i always win ;)

[thorny steeple]

You are not even trying to discuss, you are someone who thinks he is funny...

[sharp blaze]

troll. ignore

[thorny steeple]

Sure will do

bro..

[elfin orchid]

It's funny that every religion says "respect to someone's faith" but you are not doing what your god says to you. I think its funny :D

[abstract cypress]

😂

[thorny steeple]

True...

English didn't found in USA

[sharp blaze]

just a man found the region and yall took it like little puppies

[broken birch]

That's bad actually

[sharp blaze]

LOOOOOOOL

[broken birch]

I should stop interacting with this debates

[sharp blaze]

nah fr they got no brain to undertsnad

[thorny steeple]

why did Allah created us, angels, devil and other things?

[thorny steeple]

The problem isn't the religion itself, it is all about the people who follows that specific religion. They decide what to follow and what not to.

[royal ledge]

Actually they all are from either europe and africa. There is no america.

[thorny steeple]

a lot of people learns arabic

[broken birch]

To worship him

[thorny steeple]

because of their religion

[sharp blaze]

first believe what you worship lmao dont come here like you know any shit

[abstract cypress]

i choose not to believe in the abrahamic concepts of heaven and hell cuz it's so arbitrary and proved with belief just because. What if all of them aren't true, and the one true religion is the religion of some tribe in the amazon

the dharmic concept of karma, which is mathematical, at least isn't very simplistic in condemning people

[thorny steeple]

Why did man create robots?

and i hope you heard about colonialism

[thorny steeple]

why?

[thorny steeple]

to advance more by using them in need

so god needs us, ain't it?

[broken birch]

Look i don't know much about Allah's wise but i suggest you watch some people who studied the religion good

[broken birch]

Like zakir nike

[thorny steeple]

that's why french was popular once a time

[broken birch]

Ig this was hes name

[thorny steeple]

depends

it depends on every single persons perspective

[thorny steeple]

it's not about you don't know about it

it's about nobody know about it

because Allah didn't provided any information about it

[thorny steeple]

That might seem illogical though. Why can't man do all the things by themselves? Why do they need to create something to help them? It is very understandable reasoning for humans, Such like the reason why God needed to create creatures to worship him.

[broken birch]

He did

[thorny steeple]

Allah is lying to people for something else or it is just not real

[broken birch]

But you should hear the people who studied this topic well so you get the right answer

[thorny steeple]

humans and god is not the same thing

god is perfect but the humans aren't

that what the most religions say

if god is perfect why it needs other creatures

[abstract cypress]

god being dependent makes it not omnipotent though

[thorny steeple]

if god already has everything why it still creates?

[broken birch]

When you say something that you don't know you will be responsible for the result
So ill just say that i don't know
But there is someone who knows

[thorny steeple]

no it didn't

[thorny steeple]

What does this have to do with God perfection? His perfection does show in his creatures, not the reasons why he needed to create the creatures

[thorny steeple]

you don't know because Allah didn't provided enough information, if it's real

so it's not a problem if you don't believe

[broken birch]

Try to watch zakir nike cuz ik that a lot of people became Muslims after hearing him

[thorny steeple]

why am I just gonna stop believing when I'm a muslim?

[broken birch]

No
I don't know cuz i didn't study islam well

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple

[broken birch]

Its my fault not god fault

[abstract cypress]

it's for views only tbh

[thorny steeple]

there's no information about that

[broken birch]

There is

[thorny steeple]

if there is, everything would be so different

[abstract cypress]

just like david wood and christian prince saying muslims convert after hearing them

these people put outrageous clickbaits to gain views

[thorny steeple]

true

[abstract cypress]

it's their whole business model

[thorny steeple]

He doesn't need other creatures. If you have the power to create, why wouldn't you straight up create?

[abstract cypress]

well at least apostate prophet works for atheism

not that atheism is any better

[abstract cypress]

but you just said god needed these ppl to worship him

[thorny steeple]

so we're just some toys

[thorny steeple]

yeah that's right

[broken birch]

@thorny steeple look there are something that you won't know cuz its beyond your brain and mindset
But there are enough informations to make you believe

[thorny steeple]

but isn't that stupid that a thing that way beyond human mind just needs other creatures to exist

[thorny steeple]

no there isn't

you say it's beyond your brain

and if god didn't explained it enough for me, then i don't need to believe

[broken birch]

Did you seek the information to say there isn't

[thorny steeple]

can't find a good text

[abstract cypress]

if it's beyond ur brain how can you get the exact info ur interpretation of it is the right one

[thorny steeple]

but the questions we ask are really enough

like imagine you're in jannah, what now?

you got everything you need, you want

[thorny steeple]

Why did man order their robots to obey them? It is because that's how they are programmed, to obey humans. On the other hand, God gave us brain and free will. We can think and choose whether we obey him or not by using our limited brain. God also have the choice whether to get you in heaven or hell.

[broken birch]

Ask the right people who studied the religion
I'm not one of them

[abstract cypress]

i think god can simultaneously exist and not exist at the same time

[thorny steeple]

instead of world, now you don't need to work or do some stuff

[thorny steeple]

it's not easy to find people like that

[abstract cypress]

it is because that's how they are programmed
free will

??

[broken birch]

That's your role here
Seek for the information

[thorny steeple]

we want them to obey because we want them to use for our own purposes

[thorny steeple]

Robots can be programmed , right?

so there's some other purposes god wants to use us about

[abstract cypress]

if you program them to not worship you, they won't

[thorny steeple]

so, god needs us

[thorny steeple]

that doesn't make sense to me, the evidence and proofs of Islam are independent of Islam, there are types of evidence for Islam, such as the rational evidence (evidence that depend on reasoning), evidence of sound human nature, the evidence of miracles, prophecies etc... do you think I affiliate to a religion that merely claims to be true without evidence? 😂

I'm now pretty sure you're talking about virtual photons. virtual photons are not existing and not existing at the same time, their life span according to our understand is short. however, virtual particles and virtual photons appear to pop in and out of existence, but in reality, the Quantum waves seem to form these virtual particles, they don't exist out of nothing, nor do they have the state of existence and non-existence at the same time. or perhaps, did you mean existing in multiple places at the same time?

[thorny steeple]

That's a different story of having a free will. God didn't "program" us not to obey him, instead, he gave us free will

[thorny steeple]

things other than rational evidence is just some empty stuff to lie

a person who don't believe will only listen to rational evidence

and I've never heard a rational evidence that's enough to beat my questions

[thorny steeple]

And God's purposes -from what he mentioned in holy books- is to worship him. Simpl as that

[thorny steeple]

haha, but why worship?

isn't that like just worship someone because they say so

[thorny steeple]

Why using robots?

[thorny steeple]

BRO

I ANSWERED THE SAME QUESTION LIKE FOUR TIMES

[thorny steeple]

I mean that's how you are questioning

In the same loop forever

because we want to develop more and get better by using them for our purposes

[thorny steeple]

I answered the same question as well even more

[thorny steeple]

we are in a loop because there's no answer

and that proves agnostism

[thorny steeple]

you didn't bro

[thorny steeple]

The answer is there but you decide to refuse it

what's your answer?

[thorny steeple]

Oh well, you haven't answered my question as well... if going by your logic

[thorny steeple]

what you do is just stupid, i gave you my reasoning in one single sentence, do the same

[thorny steeple]

Your reasoning isn't enough for me ig

you just say to worship it, why though?

[thorny steeple]

That's exactly how you are discussing

you then talk about robots then I say we use them to develop more for our own purpose

so they're like some slaves for us

[thorny steeple]

I don't think so. all of these types of evidence are so strong that they most certainly require you to be denying anything that is presented to you (invincible ignorance fallacy).
for example, the amount of prophecies that have been fulfilled, how could someone prophesize all types of events that eventually be fulfilled, especially talking about an event that will take place in the future (without any sign or indication) and the result of that event as well.

if we go with that logic then we're slaves of god, not only us and every other single creature out there that we don't see

[thorny steeple]

nothing is enough because there's lack of information

so we don't need to believe in

[thorny steeple]

I am trying to show you how your questions are just very simple by giving you daily life examples. And what are you doing? Refusing the reasoning I gave you

daily life examples?!?!?!

i just asked why god created us

then you answered by robots which is a daily life example

ah wait

i understand this one wrong

i'm not refusing it

i'm going with that logic and proving that it's wrong

[thorny steeple]

Maybe because our brain is limited? We don't have to be necessarily understand everything, especially the mechanisms and full damn reasons why God created us. He (the creator) gave us the reasons that is suitable for our brains to understand.

[thorny steeple]

so then, we don't need to believe or anything

because we are limited creatures that can't understand god

[thorny steeple]

Yea you can choose not to believe him after all the proofs he gave, and he can tor**re you as well.

what a merciful boy, isn't it? haha

[thorny steeple]

Hmmm what do you do to a robot that doesn't obey your orders?

-It must be broken, I will just throw it away

if i'm not gonna be in jannah because i didn't believe and some random rapist and pedophile gonna end up in jannah because they believed, then lemme burn in jahannam

[thorny steeple]

that stupid

you gonna fix that, aren't you?

it would be a waste

[thorny steeple]

Why even bother fixing it? There are multiple others

you think it's cheap

i'm no god bro it costs a lot :D

It costs god nothing tho

that's right

then, what if it changes it's mind

[abstract cypress]

• To ensure that the "evidence and proofs of Islam" are really objective you need to believe in Islam first, so it is not independent. Non-muslims do not take it as objective proof because they are not predisposed to think those things are really evidence and proof, because they don't believe in it. That's why muslims don't believe in jesus being god while christians don't believe that muhammad is the prophet, because evidences of jesus's divinity and muhammad's prophethood are really taken as evidence only by christians and muslims respectively, so it still hangs on belief 😀

• "virtual" would imply that they do not really exist freely as one fixed state, as "real" photons do. However "real" photons have been shown to exist in 2 different states at the same time.

[thorny steeple]

like, "i don't want humans anymore, let's just vanish 'em"

[abstract cypress]

you sound so horrible

[thorny steeple]

Too late. I already throw it in trash

[abstract cypress]

the you being the creator ofc

not you my guy

[thorny steeple]

like imagine being god, you're even more purposeless than humans

[abstract cypress]

if i'm destined just to be someone's plaything and it doesn't matter what I do since he already has a plan to sort me into the trash. There's no point in my life anymore

[thorny steeple]

you already have everything, if there's multiple universes it's all yours even the nothingless beyond these universes

[thorny steeple]

I wasn't playing any roles, that's just how most of ppl would do if something is malfunctioning (NOT DOING ITS FUNCTION)

like why even bother to create some random stupid humans that's gonna debate about you

If money isn't a problem

[abstract cypress]

but the creator in this case already knew that it's going to malfunction. Why make it anyway?

[thorny steeple]

maybe it's a fun event like a coliseum

[thorny steeple]

You wouldn't have been here texting on discord yk lol

[thorny steeple]

no, not actually

that what stupid people do, not the most

if you have some brain you know that electronics cost some things and they can be fixed

a person who is poor is not gonna throw away something easy, they will try to fix it first

because it costs way more for a new one

[thorny steeple]

just to lie them and make them think that it was right

[thorny steeple]

Yea he already knew, our life on earth is a test by the creator, and normally when you have finals is that exam for the teacher? Or for you? If a teacher wouldn't allow you not take the exam because they knew you are already failing it (you haven't study for the whole year), it would have been unfair, Right?

like "it's your fault boy, i told you already!"

[thorny steeple]

that test thing is very stupid

why even bother a god to create some random creature and then test them lol?

[thorny steeple]

Eh robots are stupid either, maybe if you aren't lazy you would have been done better lol

[thorny steeple]

bruh you gotta be dumb arent you?

[thorny steeple]

That's just how you talk

robots have other professions than an average human

like they can know almost infinite amount of languages, can do fast math and more instead of a human

[abstract cypress]

I'm explaining the second part again

causality in the traditional sense is linear: A causes B causes C and so on. The abrahamic argument for god relies on god being this ultimate immovable cause.

However, when there are things that do not follow this linear route, such as when photons are shown to be in two states, A to B and B to A at the same time, the argument of causality depended on by abrahamics then raises the question, what is actually the cause? And thus the chain of causes leading to god fell into disarray

[thorny steeple]

but they wont sometimes understand irony and something instead of humans

[thorny steeple]

Wonder who created those very wonderful robots? Or did they just evolve from a vacuum cleaner?

Very good question, isn't it?

[thorny steeple]

WE created it and WE know it and even they know it

they're made by humans and they know it

[abstract cypress]

it's not really a test if the creator already knew. If I bulit two robots, one that I know will function properly and another that I know won't, then the fact that the second does not function properly is known to me, and I decided to make it anyway

[thorny steeple]

we can see how they produced

[thorny steeple]

GOD created us, and he let us know that. So why are you denying?

we can understand how they gonna act

[thorny steeple]

LOL you funny

[abstract cypress]

A test would imply I don't know if the second functions properly or not. But that contradicts my omniscience as the creator

[thorny steeple]

if it let us, then why some believe and some don't

[abstract cypress]

Therefore I am truly making something just to throw it in hell fire.

[thorny steeple]

i'm sure everbody know that robots are made by humans

[thorny steeple]

like some people in the world didn't even bother to read and understand why and just don't wanted to believe

[thorny steeple]

If you see that funny, that means that you are funny, cuz I am talking to you the same logic you are.

[thorny steeple]

no you aren't

you're talking illogical

[thorny steeple]

That's like saying that YOU are illogical indirectly

you're trying to compare robot-human and human-god

[thorny steeple]

haha, when did i started comparing robot-human and human-god relations?

[thorny steeple]

Since you can't understand simple reasons God gave us, so I have to elaborate more.

that's what every muslim trynna do, they just give some random examples and when they go boom they just say you're wrong you don't wanna understand etc.

why would I even bother if I don't wanna understand though?

like do I really care if you believe or don't?

[abstract cypress]

the analogy in question doesn't explain why god need us as well

[thorny steeple]

I'm here to understand why you believe and why should I believe

[abstract cypress]

it's basically saying that we're all just toys to god

[thorny steeple]

Yea If you have the power, and It takes you nothing to create, then why don't you create?

[thorny steeple]

we are toys of it if there is a god for sure

[abstract cypress]

maybe we are, maybe we are not, but such a god would be a god that intentionally harms me

[thorny steeple]

Do I really care as well?

it's not gonna be like, uwu im merciful

[abstract cypress]

so we are really god's playthings

[thorny steeple]

i though that's what your religion wants 😕

[abstract cypress]

therefore we don't have free will as well

[thorny steeple]

well, it's beyond human mind so you can't understand if god is just gonna play with some random stuff in universe or not

[thorny steeple]

How dare you create robots whom you will take advantage of ,Right? If I have a power to create, I will surely create and make my own world

[abstract cypress]

as god already knew he created this guy that will worship him and this guy wont

[thorny steeple]

because you will have fun of it

does god needs fun?

[thorny steeple]

Who knows?

you just live because you wanna satisfy yourself

[thorny steeple]

who knows?!?!

[abstract cypress]

I'm not denying that you can't take advantage of your creation. It's completely plausible. But in doing so you are intentionally harming the creation.

Just like god intentionally harms us

[thorny steeple]

But what surely we know is that he wants us to worship him

[thorny steeple]

in any way i mean, like you believe that there's an afterlife and try to win it and satisfy yourself

[thorny steeple]

it already has angels, why us too?

[abstract cypress]

It is not fair that when I make 2 robots, the first proper and second deficient, and expect them to be all proper knowing that I have made the second deficient.

Of course the first will function properly and the second will not. But I expected both to function properly, in full knowledge that I made the second won't.

Then it would not be my fault that I go to hell, since god intentionally made me to go to hell

[thorny steeple]

that the fact

and the muslims answer is to this is just "because you can say like how you know i'm gonna do these, you didn't even give me a chance" like bro who tf cares there's god in front of you, you really say that it knows everything and then you deny it at the same time?

what a bullshit

[thorny steeple]

Intentionally harming who diobey him. If a child doesn't obey his parents intentionally while knowing he fact that there is a punishment, he is like asking for the punishment indirectly.

And guss what for almost the beginning of humans, God was sending his messengers to tell ppl to obey God, through miracles that you can read in the Quran.

[thorny steeple]

again, that's not true. we don't believe in Christianity for many reasons, such as the contradictions of the present-day bibles. we believe in Islam by evidence and proofs such as the Qur'an, the scientific miracles in it, the prophecies, etc etc...

you're probably then talking about superposition, where particles exist in multiple states. well, superposition does not disprove causality, you'll have to make measurement for them to take one state, so they are caused by the measurement to take one state. we don't even need to go as deep as Quantum Mechanics, 'cause causality still applies on the physical world regardless.

[abstract cypress]

god being ignorant of whatever his creations would do conflicts with god's omniscience.

A human parent punishes their children for disobeying because they do not know what their children will do.

god knows what its creations will do, yet he created them in full knowledge that they will disobey him. So back to my earlier analogy, if I create 2 robots, one perfect and the other deficient, to expect both to be perfect is unfair since I knew the second would be deficient

[thorny steeple]

And after all that ,they decide not to obey the messengers God sent. So for every bad deed their is a punishment, and you here saying God is harming his creations intentionally.

[thorny steeple]

who saw a prophet and denied him?

if you saw a miracle are you gonna deny it easily really

how many people see miracles or some magic stuff?

these magic stuff don't even take place in history, do they?

i've never heard somebody got killed or haunted or some thing by a magic

did these magics just faded away?

is it really easy for something that like universe's bug to fade away like this?

[thorny steeple]

Parents punishing their children, because that's how they would prevent them from doing bad things/misbehaving. God already set the rules and said to follow those rules but you decided otherwise, so there is a punishment awaiting

[thorny steeple]

will you really need to get punished to act better in jannah?

[thorny steeple]

No?

so, why then get punished?

like humans are low creatures, they can make mistakes, why punish them for these?

after all there jannah which is peaceful

why create chaos for peace

[thorny steeple]

Oh shi. You are literally ignoring half of my messages , and then getting to the same point over and over.

because that's how they would prevent them from doing bad things/misbehaving

bro you just say that

does it really matter if there's jannah?

like if it's all peacful

[thorny steeple]

That's why there is something called "Repent "

You can do the sa.e mistake millions of times but after you Repent God will forgive you. That's how merciful God is

then, i'm gonna repent before going to hell

[thorny steeple]

Too late?

jking

Why not repent now?

i know that thing not gonna work :D

because not enough

i already have a lot of reasons and most people i talk with really finds it meaningful

some just tries to not believe me and can't answer my question but still thinks i'm wrong

if you can't answer you can't just say it's beyond human mind

[thorny steeple]

'cause you disbelieve out of your own free will, your free will doesn't entail Allah is forcing you to take certain paths. Allah created you regardless of whether you'll believe or not, he obviously doesn't want to force you to believe, so he created you though.
I believe these are questions of the branches, whether or not you know the answer, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

[thorny steeple]

that means that god didn't gave you enough information to believe in

or it just doesn't exists

[thorny steeple]

then it means agnostism

[abstract cypress]

• the quran being innerant is a belief subscribed only by muslims, just like how the bible being inspired by god is subscribed by christians. If you ask a christian they would explain how the bible does not contradict, and such an answer is also expected by a muslim if you ask them about the quran. So are the scientific miracles and prophecies, which are really miracles and prophecies because muslims thought so. Again, based on belief

• Seems like you're not getting the point. I already explained further above. Here's my addition again:

I'm explaining the second part again

causality in the traditional sense is linear: A causes B causes C and so on. The abrahamic argument for god relies on god being this ultimate immovable cause.

However, when there are things that do not follow this linear route, such as when photons are shown to be in two states, A to B and B to A at the same time, the argument of causality depended on by abrahamics then raises the question, what is actually the cause? And thus the chain of causes leading to god fell into disarray.

When you observe photons in superposition, sometimes it appears that their flow is A to B and B to A both at the same time, sometimes it is A to B when you observe it first, then B to A. The argument of ultimate cause relies on a linear concept of everything is traced back to god. When this is contradicted, as shown by the fact that things can flow in two directions all at once, the linear cause leading back to god is thrown to disarray. Time itself does not function linearly, so causality in accordance also does not. The ultimate cause argument is then null.

[abstract cypress]

there is no free will when god knew i would disobey and he made me regardless. If he didn't know i would disobey, then it can be said i have free will, because god is ignorant of my choices and will punish me accordingly. This makes sense if god is not omniscient.

if god is omniscient, then he creates people that would worship him, and those that wont worship him, and expects both to worship him (while knowing the latter won't). Since he is omniscient, then there is no other choice for the latter group, otherwise it would contradict his omniscience.

[thorny steeple]

He isn't expecting both groups to worship him. He created you and he knows that you will not worship him.

That doesn't contradict his omniscience, he is the one who makes the rules. Not you not me not anyone

[thorny steeple]

what he wrote was actually perfect but you still disagree

[thorny steeple]

I'll focus on the first point first, and then later I'll respond to the other point so that we don't get distracted.
Qur'an is understood through Arabic and the context of each verse's revelation, i.e., when was the verse revealed and what is it talking about, and different Hadiths that sometimes narrow down the generalization and show exceptions.
you can always refer back to Arabic, which is not a language owned by Muslims or anything like that, and prove the contradictions. Allah says in the Qur'an "We built the universe with ˹great˺ might, and We are certainly expanding ˹it˺." [Qur'an 51:47], what is so vague about this verse to say there is some kind of different interpretation other than the universe is expanding?

[abstract cypress]

Then he is unfair on expecting the people that he created that will rebel against him, to worship him. He is intentionally condemning some people to the hell

[thorny steeple]

It isn't actually perfect because he is not in the place to decide what makes God omniscient and what makes him not.

[thorny steeple]

did you knew that they changed meanings a lot of times when a scientific research is found?

[thorny steeple]

I'm gonna respond to that also after we finish the first two points.

[thorny steeple]

bro Allah says he is omniscient so he goes by that logic how could that be wrong

[abstract cypress]

This is not unique to quran, or any other text really, as this is subjective. To muslims the quran is clear and perfect, to christians the bible is, to jews the tanakh is. Subjective opinion in the end is produced by belief on the religion.

[thorny steeple]

We are only his creations. He gave us proofs and you are intentionally disobeying.

[abstract cypress]

On the second part, I think Hinduism has a more clear concept on it compared to all abrahamic religions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adhyāsa

[abstract cypress]

You don't get everything that I said earlier?

[thorny steeple]

I get how you are deciding what makes God omniscient and what's not.

[abstract cypress]

No, I am saying that if god is omniscient, we have no free will.

[thorny steeple]

as you said once before, belief and conviction are choices, so definitely you'll have to be open to believe.

[thorny steeple]

Or maybeeee we have free will but because God's power is unlimited, he knows the output before you were evn born.

[thorny steeple]

you can also choose to be stubborn after I present you with sufficient evidence and choose not to believe regardless.

[thorny steeple]

God's power is very complicated for our human brain to understand. Don't apply our simple laws to God's power

[thorny steeple]

also, there's a lot of verses which says like this instead of expanding the universe:
Undoubtedly, we are very comprehensive and powerful.

[abstract cypress]

Then as I said earlier, the evidence and proof is based on blind faith, as to regard it as evidence and proof you need to believe in it first.

[thorny steeple]

they change the meanings when there's a new scientific research

[abstract cypress]

christians can say the same to you when they present you their facts about the bible explaining itself, and so are jews when they present the tanakh is not contradictive. They call you stubborn because they believe in it, and you call them stubborn because you believe in islam.

[abstract cypress]

that negates our free will sweetie

[thorny steeple]

﴿وَالسَّمَاءَ بَنَيْنَاهَا بِأَيْدٍ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ﴾
[ الذاريات: 47]

Sahih International - صحيح انترناشونال
And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.

[jolly agate]

.

[abstract cypress]

if god knows what we will do, we will do that exact thing, otherwise god isn't omniscient

including being a non believer

[abstract cypress]

This has got nothing to do with god's power, but his intentions

[thorny steeple]

if you can't respond to an argument, you either don't have any rebuttal or you can't express it. other than that, it's a firmly established evidence in the absence of any strong counter argument.
blind faith is not as you're implying here. it means that you have a faith despite the lack of evidence.

[thorny steeple]

I am not "sweetie" I am frot

And it does negates it, because we don't fully understand God's unlimited power. As I said don't apply your simple laws to a power that is UNLIMITED

goodnight everybody

[oblique fiber]

:0

an argument

[thorny steeple]

And how do you know his intentions? If he has an unlimited power then everything makes sense in it

[fathom vine]

I think we have free will
But by years we people have started saying when something good happen “God did it”
When something bad hapens “God knows better” or “Devil did it”
And now it created that mentality that God know the best God will provide for our future.If we believe in God we could have better things etc etc.

I dont think soo i think God created the world gave u the free will gave u religions to follow rules and go towards Hem( if they are true).

[thorny steeple]

I can simply respond to them and give them the firm evidence that they are basically wrong about it.
let me ask you a question, are you implying that whether someone presents evidence, and despite the strength of these evidence, they are subjective?

[abstract cypress]

You beliebe the evidence regarding islam is true because as a muslim, you are predisposed into thinking that the evidence is true.

So are christians when they present evidences of christianity, and so are jews when they present evidences of judaism. And thus it would be a continuously perpetuating circular reasoning.

[abstract cypress]

Firm evidence such as what? On their side your evidences can be rebuked through their arguments, and from then it would be an endless debate.

[oblique fiber]

hmmm im a christian, yet if u say that, i dont think that's true. God is unlimited, by saying that, you're trying to say that god is limited

[thorny steeple]

And you as disbeliever, believes in science, regarding what science says it has to be true, Even weak theories.

[abstract cypress]

pick a topic pls

[thorny steeple]

If a religion is a belive then atheism is another belive as well.

[vast vigil]

im gonna pick a topic

lets talk about Nazi thing

[oblique fiber]

:0

What would happpen if Nazi won the war 😄

[vast vigil]

shit

its gonna be a very interesting world

[oblique fiber]

what would have happened if America didnt interfere over europe's war

[vast vigil]

in that moment no Europe anymore

[fathom vine]

It would be war European vs Usa ezz

[vast vigil]

or hitler gonna be the leader of the world

[thorny steeple]

the evidence is either true, or false. it objectively has those two states. so no, even if you have a blind faith, if you're exposed to the evidence that your faith is false, you can choose not to believe in it. you're implying that an objective evidence doesn't exist. which I don't agree with.

[vast vigil]

hitler was having a muslim army

[oblique fiber]

Lol, i cant imagine what would happen to da jewish people on earth

[vast vigil]

0% jewish

[oblique fiber]

eee, isnt europe going to lose tho?

[thorny steeple]

yes, they can subjectively choose not to follow the evidence. in reality the evidence is objective.

[vast vigil]

dont forget the soviet

[oblique fiber]

eh really? wasnt he anti religion?

[thorny steeple]

Evidences can be debunked? Interesting

[vast vigil]

he respected muslims so much

[abstract cypress]

Objective evidence would meant that automatically all the abrahamic texts are in question, because there are things in the world that are contrary to each of them. But all christians, muslims, and jews choose to retain their faith because they have faith that there is evidence that proves their faith is true. Therefore it is self perpetuating.

[fathom vine]

The time of ww2 German technology was wayy ahead.
But it would be a blody war
European love to fight just watch history of wars

[oblique fiber]

sometimes you dont need evidence, its called faith. we as human have limitation over what we can understand

[vast vigil]

remember Oppenheimer

he created somth

[abstract cypress]

which is my point

[oblique fiber]

yea

[oblique fiber]

oh lol i forgor

[vast vigil]

america in that time could win Easily

[thorny steeple]

I could tell you that you'll get hit by a car if you stand in its way while it's moving fast. this is objectively true, I could even provide you with evidence such as fraction and physical collision which are both objective. but you can subjectively deny all of these evidence and choose not to believe what I'm saying is true, that doesn't mean it isn't though.

[vast vigil]

because she was having nuclear bomb

[oblique fiber]

it wasnt mean to be a weapon right?

[vast vigil]

no it was

[oblique fiber]

i mean, its only a matter of time untill who found it tho

[vast vigil]

because nazi wants to create a mass destruction weapon with the help of Einstein but he refused

[oblique fiber]

i see

[fathom vine]

Germany had it . So they both had it.
But the jet of Germany it was 2x faster .
So in air they win.
Now lets suppose they got UK also . Which had and still have a pretty strong Navy . They would go pretty close on which would win in sea.
But it would be an war that would still countinue. Because it would be impossible to hold USA even if Germany occupied them and the same thing for USA

[vast vigil]

then he decided to go to america

[vast vigil]

bro japan was faster than germany and america in that time , but you see Nagasaki and Hiroshima

[oblique fiber]

but guys imagine, if europe unified themselves under one banner, or just make nato before ww2 happened

[oblique fiber]

hemmm, are you sure? they got malnourished soldiers and stupidly designed tanks

their weapon designs suck as well

[vast vigil]

then how they destroyed pearl harbor

[oblique fiber]

its because america was neutral before

[fathom vine]

I doubt they would join the war .
Lol don’t forget China they so hungry for more land . Basically it would have been impossible even if Germany took all over Europe it would be impossible to hold it as 1 .

European can never be like USA like all are 1 because ever country in Europe have a huge history and huge “hate” and wars against each other.
So Hitler wouldn’t be abble to hold it as 1

[oblique fiber]

eh wait

i forgor, but i think the reason they can is because america didnt joined the war before japan attacked them

[thorny steeple]

the claim is different than the evidence. the claim might be a lie, but the evidence must be true. otherwise, the evidence cannot be considered an evidence, 'cause the definition of evidence is facts that support a specific claim.
and no, some people don't have or know any evidence that prove their religion is true, yet they simply believe in it. that's the definition of blind faith, which you're confusing with evidence-based belief. also, just to make it clear, one believing in something doesn't make it true, but it doesn't make it false either, the evidence are the ones to indicate which is true and which is not. sometimes an argument is so irrefutable, in which case it's safe to believe its true.

[abstract cypress]

This would be true as therefore we are speaking about physics, which is grounded in mathemathics. But religion is grounded in belief. Scientific miracles in the bible are proof for christians that bible is true, and those in the quran are proof for muslims that quran is true, but if the same logic is applied to ancient greek religion since Aristotle's texts said all of these as well while it predates islam and christianity, or hinduism since the vedas are likewise. And it leaves no place for historical errors mentioned in quran or bible that is taken as fact even though historical evidence is otherwise. Again, religous people believe in them out of sheer belief, because they think it is true.

[vast vigil]

they were having kamikaze thing some stupid guys suicide and get into a military base with their warplanes

[oblique fiber]

scientific miracles?

[fathom vine]

That kamikaze thing u saying did so much damage to Navy of USA don’t forget

[vast vigil]

yeah thats what im saying

[fathom vine]

Shit my English have autism sorry

[vast vigil]

so dont tell me that japan was very weak against others countries

[vast vigil]

me too bother lmaoo

[vast vigil]

because germany was given the guns and the news warships to japan

and the italy also

[oblique fiber]

bible doesnt explain physics or mathematics. bible exists to let us understand god's will. to guide our life

[vast vigil]

so the thing that makes usa win the war is the fat guy

[fathom vine]

They need to hit the gym more or walk more

[vast vigil]

[oblique fiber]

they suffered enough

[vast vigil]

they suffered once

and it was the last

[oblique fiber]

lol

[vast vigil]

i think they cant forget what happend and you know someday japan gonna get her revenge

[oblique fiber]

by the way, im sad tho america broke the war rules and decided to swarm yamato

i mean, who didnt break rules at that time

[vast vigil]

yeah hitler was making soap

and usa was making nuclear bombb

[oblique fiber]

its justifiable, but im just sad that da biggest battleship ever existed sank like that

[vast vigil]

and soviet were having the gulag

[oblique fiber]

yeah

[vast vigil]

and you know wars is somthing terrible

[oblique fiber]

lol they violated poland as well

both germany and soviets

[vast vigil]

yeah exactly

[thorny steeple]

that's where I absolutely disagree.
they could all have scientific facts mentioned in them, but if we would to compare, Islam doesn't deny Christianity, it confirms it was a revelation sent by Allah, as well as Judaism, as well as other revelations that we might've never heard of. Islam claims that Christianity and Judaism have been distorted and corrupted throughout the years, but there are still leftovers of the truth/revelation in them despite them being along side man-made statements and information. if Islam is proven true, then present-day Christianity and Judaism are false.
another important point is that, just because people like Aristotle and others get somethings right, doesn't mean all the Islamic evidence are remotely false, Islam claims that everything in the Qur'an are correct and are not mistaken, while Aristotle have his share of mistakes like any human being, others do as well.

[oblique fiber]

poland: "WHY WE'RE STILL HERRE, JJUST TO SUFFER"

[vast vigil]

lmfaooooooo

[vast vigil]

ow ow man chill

[oblique fiber]

but tbh, if only germany got more recourses

they would win the war

[vast vigil]

if they didnt lose in their last war

[oblique fiber]

i like ww2 german milllitary

[vast vigil]

i swear hitler was going to be the leader of the world

[oblique fiber]

the baddest army ever existed, their uniform is cool as heck

[vast vigil]

because he was having everything

[oblique fiber]

yeeea

but meh i dont like having hitler as a ruler

i mean it would be good for the zaryan people

[vast vigil]

evrything man suites great army

[oblique fiber]

but what abt us?

the "unpure" blood

[thorny steeple]

Lol, I'm chill. you have no idea how verbose I could've been if I was responding to all of his claims at the same time. 😂

[oblique fiber]

relax bro, is he an atheist?

[vast vigil]

exactly he could kill everybody to let his race alive

[oblique fiber]

fast or slow, he just going to let another genocide happen

[vast vigil]

but you know usa is trying so hard to make hitler and his army looks stupid

[thorny steeple]

yes. and I'm relaxed, I'm just having a friendly discussion with him, no heat or hostility. 👍

[vast vigil]

in wars movies

[oblique fiber]

i see, good

[vast vigil]

oh really man i think you wanna say to him fight me one vs one

[thorny steeple]

nah bruh! unless he's being disrespectful to my religion. 😂

[vast vigil]

you are muslim right

[oblique fiber]

[thorny steeple]

yes.

[vast vigil]

my brotha

[oblique fiber]

welp bro, i believe in God, and i think we all human must believe God as well

We need God to exist

[vast vigil]

so as you see nowadays you gonna know why hitler was killing Jewish people

[thorny steeple]

yes, God necessarily exists, we are the ones whom necessity doesn't demand to exist. 🤝

[oblique fiber]

yeeea

[vast vigil]

because he was a Christian and we know Christians ppl hates so much Jewish

and {muslims as well}

so he start to increase them

[oblique fiber]

btw, lol even we're a different religion, both of us trying to prove that he's wrong

[vast vigil]

israeil vs kassam bro is like usa vs 1 person , though the kassam are winning

[oblique fiber]

ooo

wait what? christian hated jewish at that time?

[vast vigil]

bro why hitler was doing those things

[oblique fiber]

hemmm, i dont know really much, but if he hated jewish because of his religion, i think its false

according to our testament

old testament*

[thorny steeple]

in my opinion, it's an absurd stance to believe in no God, or even to be in doubt of whether he exists.

[vast vigil]

nooooo not because their religion because theres some great jewish guys

[oblique fiber]

Jewish is a tribe or people that is favored by god

i could be wrong since i dont really have that deep of knowledge of the bible

[vast vigil]

but in history the treason is always from them

[oblique fiber]

yeaaa, exactly
even if u dont believe God, u need God to exist.

[vast vigil]

exactly

[oblique fiber]

tbh yea, they are favored, but they keep forgetting the God

[thorny steeple]

anyways, seems like @Kohelet left, so as @OSM says, I'm disengaging.
see ya guys. 👋

[vast vigil]

now you know evrything

[oblique fiber]

alright, take care bro

[vast vigil]

they dont have a land

[oblique fiber]

well the god promised them a land

[vast vigil]

after the forgetting the god

the punishement

[oblique fiber]

and before english colonialism, the palestine people and the jewish people lived together

i mean like, they get along with each other

[oblique fiber]

yeaa

[oblique fiber]

tbh, the war happened because british lol

[vast vigil]

exactly my brother

[vast vigil]

yeah you know how much someone hates you he build a whole country for you ,just dont be in my countries

thats the British and usa and Europe

[oblique fiber]

lol

if only israel and palestine unified under one banner

[vast vigil]

theres no israel bro , just palestine for ever

[oblique fiber]

i know

the jewish people basically came as foreigner

but they lived together with palestine before

[vast vigil]

if you steal a shop from someone named ahmed , you can change the name , but every body know this shop as the shop of ahmed

[oblique fiber]

yea

but acccording to my religion, the land that God has promised is the same land that Palestine people live on

if u say kick em out, well it will go against their religion as well

[vast vigil]

israel is a name of a prophet

and Palestine is a name of a countrie

[oblique fiber]

so yea, its hard to argue over it, since israel did many wrongfull things to settle their ways onto the land

God said that palestine the promised land, but God didnt say that u gotta invade em or yeet all the native people

[vast vigil]

exactly but in the past muslims and Jewish and Christians were living under one roof

[oblique fiber]

yess

[vast vigil]

since israel made the treason

she start the war against civilians

[oblique fiber]

well just wwait bro, one day God will make Israel pay over their crime

[vast vigil]

she strated to kill childrens and young ppl just to feel like she is powerful

[vast vigil]

that day is soon my brother

[oblique fiber]

yea

[vast vigil]

because actually if you look how life is short

[oblique fiber]

but i still hope that they peace with palestine and start actually living together in peace again

and both share the same knowledge

[vast vigil]

and the situations switch fastly

[vast vigil]

can i asked you somth

[oblique fiber]

??

[vast vigil]

you can live in peace with someone who killed your whole family

[oblique fiber]

well ofc you gotta make em pay

i understand that

[vast vigil]

thank you

[oblique fiber]

i dont justify what israeli people is doing

its wrong

[vast vigil]

now you understand that in wars theres always one winner

because evrybody is looking for revenge

[oblique fiber]

yea

[vast vigil]

and no one can stay in peace

until someone that gonna win the war

and take his revenge

[oblique fiber]

i just hope that the peace will unify them again. no matter who's wrong, revenge it self is wrong.

[vast vigil]

i hope but you know the good thing that muslims forgive so fast

so if Zionist leave the land and the ppl wants to live beside muslims its alright

just dont hurt

[oblique fiber]

yea. i hope they forgive israel, and i hope that israel stop fricking doing the violence

[vast vigil]

i hope that too my good friend

[oblique fiber]

oh bro, i gotta go sleep

thanks for the discussion

[vast vigil]

me too

[oblique fiber]

see you bro

[vast vigil]

you welcome brother

[mint marsh]

Allah will hold you accountable for that sooner or later, Palestine will remain free despite every aggressor

[sonic lion]

God don’t exist

[thorny steeple]

Morning all

[sonic lion]

Damn

I love the religion discussions

[thorny steeple]

hey bro/sis, our heart is with the Palestinians. InshaAllah Palestine will be free, despite all the hatred, all the oppression, and all disgusting people who blindly support Isnotreal.
the guy you're responding to will only frustrate you due to his lack of any intellectual merit. he couldn't handle a debate with me on Islam and science, and is pretty much scared to have any about the terrorist regime known as Israel. so please don't waste your time and energy on scums, 'cause such scums feed on your anger, they gain their self-worthiness from your attention, if you think about it, why would someone post memes about people who are being oppressed? he's likely to have some kind of childhood truma that lasted long with him, perhaps changed his mindset in a psychotic one. so I highly advise you to leave him as he's nobody... literally. 😂

[sonic lion]

I wish I could

Being nihilistic is so annoying

So he is a Lannister

[mint marsh]

You are right, my friend, such people should be outcasts among us

[sonic lion]

Man

Is this a stephen king novel or what

Btw this is not serious enough for serious chat

You should be banned for playing with it’s seriousness

The creator of the world is indeed a carb

Nothing good could come out of a macromolecule

I get it

You fear him tho

What’s up with his face tho lmao

[deep nacelle]

I was close to my first handstand

What is this?

[thorny steeple]

WH40k fan i see

[orchid totem]

[fossil basin]

🤦🏻

[broken birch]

What i understand from you is that you believe in him but you are not worshipping cuz you don't know why you should do
Right?
If so ill try search for the answer cuz I didn't study the religion well
Then ill tell you about the answer i found

[abstract cypress]

This is ridiculous on so many levels. For this argument I will assume devil's advocate for Christianity.

The core argument of christianity is that Jesus is divine son of god, so Islam denies christianity. The claim that Christianity is somehow corrupted is baseless and unfounded as well as verifiably false. All historical information point out to the existence of a Jewish sect in the 1st century worshipping either a "wise king", a "rabbi", a "prophet", or "Christus", the title of Jesus; all have been claimed by Jesus in the four gospels. These roles do not contradict each other as he has more than one role in his capacity per Christian dogma.

• If it is a corruption, the "truth" would have been known to early church fathers like Ignatius of Antioch and Irenaeus, yet they made no mention of this truth that they should have condemned as heresy.
• All non-christian sources attest christians worshipping Jesus.
• All non-orthodox branches of Christianity existing in the 1st century until the Council of Nicaea attest Jesus being son of god: Gnostics, Marcionites, Ebionites, &c. though they have different conceptions about how he came to be. But they all worshipped him.
• The gospels and epistles of the New Testament are either written by eyewitnesses (the apostles) or people who came directly in contact with the eyewitnesses, while this is alleged, records such as Irenaeus of Lyons attest to an unbroken continuity regarding the gospel of John to John the apostle, as Irenaeus's teacher was a student of John.

The same goes for Judaism where it has been shown that the texts of the Old Testament, from early Septuagint to Nag Hammadi to the Masoretic Text, differs just in marks and diacritics, similar to Hafs and Warsh. Therefore it can be concluded that the argument on "christianity being corrupted" is unfounded; Christians have always worshipped jesus from the start, and regard him as the son of god. Therefore it is not proven true.

Furthermore Islam's arguments against christianity and judaism itself (how "christians worshipped mary" and "jews worshipped ezra" is not attested in history; the former is only attestred by Epiphanius, an orthodox priest, who called it a heresy, though it does not appear elsewhere and there are no traces of this group. Likewise the christians does not consider god the father and jesus as ontologically separate; Irenaeus, himself a near contemporary of Jesus has written against separating jesus and the father, since the christian view is that they're of one nature (ousia) in different persons. Nor do christians claim jesus as an "offspring" of the father in a human sense; John 1:1 explains how jesus is eternally with the father while at the same time eternally emanating from the father as his word. Islam demonstrated a lack of understanding of christian doctrine, which is understandable, but in itself defeats any semblance of truth it wans to claim.

[thorny steeple]

and thats how christianity is a divide religion

[abstract cypress]

On to the second point. The whole rationalization of islam relies on so-called "evidence and proof" to be taken as truth. The problem is, the evidence of these scientific miracles and other proofs have been explained by Aristotle and ancient greek philosophers; Hindu sages and even as far back as Babylonians. Islam brought nothing new that has not been known before, speaking scientifically. And Aristotle also tied his writings to his concept of monotheism, which reconclies the Greek pantheon with the concept of an immovable mover and ultimate cause

(indeed Aristotle was one of thw first ever to introduce the ultimate cause argument; which is why Aristotelianism is the first major school of philosophy that espouses this view). Hinduism in Advaita Vedanta also argues for an immanent supreme being. If, logically they espoused the principle of monotheism and present "miracles" of scientific evidence of their religion before islam exists, then logically they would be more true by virtue of having existed first, then.

[abstract cypress]

just like sunni vs shia

[thorny steeple]

yes nothing cant stay true to its value when thousands of years pass

[abstract cypress]

fr

[jolly agate]

One can assert the correctness of their own religion, yet can't disprove the beliefs of others.

[thorny steeple]

true

[thorny steeple]

I don't think I believe in god's existence

I'm more like agnostic but not sure

[craggy sphinx]

can

[broken birch]

Why?

[thorny steeple]

why american natives were such primitive as technological when white mans arrived to America? I was not able to find any knowledge about this topic in internet, if there is anyone who know this,if he or she reply ı will be happy

[deep loom]

Wow, how did you gain this knowledge/information?

[strong hound]

One reason I found was the fact that the natives didn’t have animals like horses or oxen. It’s not like they didn’t think of the idea, if they were that advanced in mathematics and astrology, they could and did make wheels and such, but without things to pull it, they are unable to sustain large populations at one place, and the rest is obvious.

And they weren’t really primitive, there was a lot of reasons why Europeans succeeded in winning, one is the lack of population, Europeans had way more people, not to mention weapons, with addition to all the new diseases introduced to Northern America, along with the slave trade, as natives who lost often became enslaved

Hope that answered your answers

[strong hound]

I don’t believe in him because I find it unlikely that an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibeneveleant being that existed before the beginning of everything and and created everything, exists.

[vast vigil]

hello guys

[broken birch]

Then is it likely that everything was already existed without anything

[strong hound]

More likely

[broken birch]

Believing that there is a god that created everything makes more sense at least fir me

[strong hound]

Not for me

But you’re welcome to explain your reasoning

[broken birch]

Well look i don't think that i can give you a good answer for this question cuz i was born as a Muslim and heard a lot of stories for the beginning of existence and the first human being and all that
But if i wouldn't be a Muslim i think its easier to say there is a god who created everything
Instead of saying that life was a form of random evolution and was the result of the interaction of many materials until we reached an interaction that caused the formation of human consciousness or the human body and this body lived under the name (the first human) and met another human and began to reproduce and then enter into many Complex theories without any logical explanation

[broken birch]

The same thing for the remaining creatures in the entire universe

Ik it seems so complicated but that's the reason i can give for the god's existence

And it makes more sense than thinking about all these unexplainable theories

I don't know about you but i can't think for any reason that caused (life) or (existence) without a god to make it happen

The point i can argue with is the god only one god that can do everything or they are many gods

[strong hound]

“Random evolution” is a bit much, the idea is in a large population, it is likely a mutation will occur, and if that mutation is helpful to the survival of the species, and is passed onto its offspring, it will then be spread more, and since it is beneficial, it’ll likely survive more than its peer; therefore leading to the mutated population to rise and become its own separate specie.

It’s unexplainable because we haven’t found the answers to it, and eventually we will find the answers; then more answers will rise. It’s just discovery until humans go extinct ourselves.

[strong hound]

Well the current theory is that a compact of extraordinary mass met a disturbance (big bang) and it exploded, and things flew, and it formed our current universe system.

And that’s the furthest back we can go for now, and an omnipotent presence is an obscure idea, and the reason it exists is too great for my understanding is not a valid reason for me to believe in it. Whether or not it exists, belief won’t change it, but before we get a definite answer, we have to decide for ourselves whether or not to believe the story.

[broken birch]

The big bang theory makes sense when you talk about existence
And btw its written in Qur'an
أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلا يُؤْمِنُونَ
The same ayah has a lot of explanations but one of them supports the big bang theory
But when we talk about the beginning of the thing before the big bang there was a point which contains the 4 main powers
Which is not explained until now like how does that point exist

[thorny steeple]

a pointless convo

that no one will cause neither know

[broken birch]

When it comes to the life there isn't a theory explained how the whole thing begins

[thorny steeple]

satanism is pretty cool

[broken birch]

Ik but it was an example for the complicated theories that still doesn't make sense or explain

[strong hound]

Big bang isn’t the beginning, just what created our universe

The rest is unknown

[broken birch]

Ik

[broken birch]

That's what I'm talking about

[thorny steeple]

im good off that

[thorny steeple]

ok ı got thx

reglion is just a bunch of make belive stuff that stuck and made a worldwide cult

who made it smart asf tho shit worked

[strong hound]

“Theory” just means a mean to explain something, one can argue religion is a “theory” a scientific theory is a theory drawn from observation and accepted facts, which can change over time. Theories aren’t perfect, and it takes proving and disproving them over and over again to get to the right answer.

The evolution theory was suggested by Darwin, but was rejected until multiple scientists did their own research, and changed the flaws, and revised and edited it over decades

[broken birch]

Okay while scientists still doing the researches and trying to find an answer for these questions
We as religious people know the answer already that god created everything

[thorny steeple]

nu uh

[broken birch]

Many centuries passed and noone answered this question but in the other side many centuries passed and the fact that god created everything didn't changed until our day

[strong hound]

You don’t “know” the answer, because faith means to believe something without proof, no?

Some people can accept that, I can’t

[thorny steeple]

aint that a cult

[strong hound]

And unless you personally meet god, then you won’t be able to know

[strong hound]

Cult is just a really small religion that typically encourages harm

[thorny steeple]

🤔 would u say relgion has done more good or bad

[strong hound]

Tough question, scale base, good; but levels, bad

It’s hard to know since religion is such a big deal throughout history

Sure they had massive wars over it and a lot of discrimination due to it

But the idea of enternal damnation definitely put a lot of people in check

And it takes the threat of eternal damnation to not steal whatever you can during a famine

It’s easy to say “religion has done this and that so it’s good/bad” but we never know what would happen if it didn’t exist

[thorny steeple]

isnt the whole iraseral and plastein thing wrong now a reglion thing

jews think they are some crazy god give speical people

for whatever reason

[strong hound]

Tbh for the sake of making 50% of shows and anime better, ima go with good

Cos it just makes it so entertaining

[broken birch]

We know what god and the prophet told us in Qur'an and hadith
And we know that god created everything and created humans to worship him
Ofc i don't know everything but at least i know more than Those who do not know how the Qur’an was written with this miracle

[strong hound]

And entertainment is a lot more important that people give it credit for

[broken birch]

There are much people who studied the religion and knows more than me

[thorny steeple]

why aint he program to worship him like humans have natrual instinct for pain to move away from whats hurting

could have just made us worship slaves

cause i danm sure aint doing nothing i am suppose to do

[strong hound]

The thing that had me question religion(ofc that was when I was really small and it’s not much in the equation now) is me being raised in one religion, then raised in another ig. Basically family members had different beliefs and other personal matters. But that got me to think, am I actually believing in what happened, or just what my parents and others are telling me.

[strong hound]

Kinda ruins the whole worship thing

[thorny steeple]

ngl if god is real which i think could be true

mf is hella bad at his job

[jolly agate]

G's tryna have a beaf with god

[strong hound]

What I’m trying to say is, neither religion nor science is perfect, unless you were there to see it; it’s almost impossible if not impossible to know what really happened. The only thing we can do is get as close to that as possible. Everything we know comes from someone questioning something, and if you want to find the answer, you will need to question what you know and what you’re learning.

[strong hound]

If that was me, I would have hella fun on earth, but then it probably gets boring after 3 something trillion years

[jolly agate]

you better talk to his employer

[strong hound]

Watching eminence in shadow rn then going to sleep

[thorny steeple]

like think of all the tragic things that happend to inncoient people billions and mf just let it happen

[strong hound]

It’s winter break rn but i like my sleep

[thorny steeple]

god be on some bull shit

[jolly agate]

i would get reborn on earth with all the magical powers

[thorny steeple]

mf dont even have with it like let us have superpowers or some shit

[broken birch]

Usually you believe like ur parents and specially your dad
But you have a brain that is capable to know the right from the wrong
And so you should seek for the truth as your brain still active
And if you really want to know the truth, you will find the answer

[strong hound]

So just be reborn as himself 💀

[jolly agate]

naaa

[jolly agate]

did you pray today

[broken birch]

💀

[thorny steeple]

i jerked off today

[strong hound]

Well I was like 9 when I questioned it, Ik I’m super duper awesome and everything but it’s not like I can choose one that sounds more reasonable to the other

[orchid totem]

1. Human rights situation in Palestine and other OATs, United Nations
2. Organ Trafficking During Times of War and Political Conflict, Nancy Scheper-Hughes
3. lsraeli surgeon questioned over transplantation ethics, Rachelle HB Fishman
4. The Big Lie Of Israeli 'Organ Harvesting' Resurfaces As YouTube Video On Haiti Earthquake Goes Global,ADL
5. U.K. Lawmaker 'Fired Over Claims IDF Harvested Organs in Haiti, The Guardian
6. Palestinian boy's organs save Israeli patients, The Associated Press
7. Israel admits organ harvesting , The Associated Press
8. سوابق إسرائيل في سرقة الأعضاء البشرية , Aljazeera
9. Paper's organ harvesting art,icle causes Israel-Sweden rift,CNN
10. Another organ trafficking ring surfaces in Israel, Saed Bannoura
11. Israeli Organ Trafficking and Theft: From Moldova to Palestine, Alison Weir
12. Israel admits to organ thefts, NEWS AGENCIES
13. The Suffering of thePalestinian Patientunder the Israeli Occupation, Fatima H. ItaniAtef Daghlas
14. Israel’s crime of stealing Palestinian organs continues,Sari Al-Qudwa
15. Våra söner plundras på sina organ, Aftonbladet

[thorny steeple]

man shut up

[strong hound]

Frankly it sounded like the same shit different toilet to me

[orchid totem]

look this

[jolly agate]

😂😂😂may be thats why god is hasnt given us super powers yet

[strong hound]

Kinda what happens during a war

[orchid totem]

no

[strong hound]

I really want super power

[thorny steeple]

ok why dint anne frank dint get super powers she aint deserve the shit she went thorugh

[strong hound]

No?

[jolly agate]

i need teleportation

[jolly agate]

i would makr hella money with that

[orchid totem]

sure

[strong hound]

It’s gonna be random

[jolly agate]

noo

[strong hound]

So most ppl gonna have some shitty super power like eating cake 2x faster

[jolly agate]

i want to teleport where ever i want

[strong hound]

While some mf get gravity manipulation

[orchid totem]

about 15 years ago

[strong hound]

(I really want gravity manipulation)

Ima go back to watching the eminence in shadow

[jolly agate]

i need teleportation then i will kidnap every prime minister and ask them to hire me.

[broken birch]

Well my knowledge is limited and so i don't think that you will be convinced with my answers but i hope you find the answer for your question by yourself or with someone else

[thorny steeple]

u will never convinece any1 who s a diffrent relgioius view to yours

thats a agrument u wont ever win

[strong hound]

Everyone’s knowledge is limited, you can’t know everything, and in a debate like this, I feel reasoning is a lot more important

[jolly agate]

i have already said it

[broken birch]

You maybe right

[strong hound]

I have some background in some religion and they all spread similar message so it’s not that bad

[orchid totem]

What happened 15 years ago

[jolly agate]

how tf you gonna go back in time to watch eminence in shadow with gravity maniplutation

[strong hound]

Idk, I was born?

Wait that was 16 yrs ago

My first birthday ig

[strong hound]

It’s awesome show

Cid is so glazable

[jolly agate]

seen it

real good

[strong hound]

https://tenor.com/view/cid-kagenou-eminence-in-shadow-fire-walk-gif-27660100

[jolly agate]

mf is the strongest at 16

[strong hound]

Yep, makes u forget it’s isekai

[strong hound]

Bro beat god on accident

[jolly agate]

true, i read the manga too

[strong hound]

Bruh don’t spoil it

[jolly agate]

itsss damm fun,

[jolly agate]

i wont

[strong hound]

I didn’t read manga I was just making an inference

Cos it’s kinda obvious he’s gonna beat god on accident

[jolly agate]

season 2 is like ended

[strong hound]

Watching the last ep rn

[jolly agate]

i dont know when they gonna make season3 naw

[strong hound]

I was caught up on watching a Netflix series

[jolly agate]

i think he has beat a god right

[strong hound]

Lucifer, it’s really good

[strong hound]

If you consider the witch of calamity a god, then yeah

Or that big ass black thing from the rose

[jolly agate]

he was strong too

bro like sliced him open

like he was a butter

[broken birch]

Jewish, Christian and islam all have the same message from the same god
At the time of moses he was trying to convert people into Jewish so they worship allah
But when he passed the religion has been distorted so when jesus is born he was trying to do the same thing by converting people into Christians
And the same thing happened
After that islam appeared and allah said that it won't get distorted and it will be the last religion

[strong hound]

Yeah it’s same god, different messenger

And different names too apparently

[thorny steeple]

alwasy find it intresting each regligon think they are supeier

my mom is muslim and think shes far better than any other

[jolly agate]

its always some people from eqch reigion

[thorny steeple]

pretty intresting mindset

[strong hound]

BRO THIS SCENE IS SOO COOL

[thorny steeple]

most

[jolly agate]

most of them dont even care

[strong hound]

BRO COVERED THE ENTIRE EARTH IN AN ATOMIC BLAST

[jolly agate]

im still wondering how tf he became an literal atmoic bomb

[jolly agate]

hes a pretty good healer too

[strong hound]

Yeah

[jolly agate]

atmoic heal or some shit

[strong hound]

Also just respect other religions, shits gonna be awkward if you die and some other religion turned out to be right

[strong hound]

Ye