🧠｜serious-chat

[serene birch]

It's because they got rid of America

[thorny steeple]

Do you want some Jihad or whatever in Paris?

[jolly agate]

damm you werent even close

[serene birch]

Why is France doing jihad in Africa, Asia and the Middle East?

[jolly agate]

keep guessing

[thorny steeple]

So you want to take revenge for?

[serene birch]

So they should let them kill more?

[thorny steeple]

Omg

[serene birch]

Terrorism begets terrorism

[thorny steeple]

You literally want Islam values in the Center of the European culture

[serene birch]

You are looking at everything one-sidedly and selfishly,

[jolly agate]

says who

[serene birch]

but real dictators is usa

[thorny steeple]

Who’s Sadam Husein for you?

Just to clarify

[serene birch]

another dictator like biden

[thorny steeple]

Okay

Do you really think Biden is in charge himself?

[serene birch]

Do you know how many years he have been in American politics?

The virus spreads slowly.

I think it's the opposite

I have been in Turkey for 35 years, I served in the army for 10 years, and I know America very well.

Since you are not in wars and battles, you cannot see many real things.

All for sources and power control

Human life doesnt matter at all,

Is American life valuable in America?

Hundreds of people are murdered in the streets every day.

[thorny steeple]

Fact is people want to live like the States

[serene birch]

young generation yes

because of movies and ads

[thorny steeple]

I mean they literally want to live like the US families: friendly in the community around a lot of private houses and so on

[thorny steeple]

It is

[serene birch]

Okay, is there enough space and resources for everyone to live in America?

[thorny steeple]

No but people could try to live like them

They won’t

Because of different cultures

[serene birch]

Yes, we will live when there are no invading countries like America.

[thorny steeple]

No

Never lived and won’t

[serene birch]

They finance terrorism everywhere for their own interests.

[thorny steeple]

Look at Europe

[serene birch]

okay buddy I have important things to do. I have to leave now.

bye

[thorny steeple]

Muslims cannot assimilate

They are not capable of living with Europeans

[serene birch]

I am a Muslim and I have no different from European people in terms of life.

[thorny steeple]

Europeans are now a minority

[serene birch]

you should leave for a while to watch twitter

[thorny steeple]

I’ve been in Iran.

I’ve been in Syria

And I can definitely say

They are utterly and completely different

[serene birch]

Yes, they are all under American invasion and pressure. They are shutting down to protect their homeland integrity, like North Korea. Is North Korea Muslim?

Or china?

[serene birch]

If you don't want to see Muslims in your country. Stop turning their countries into a bloodbath. Best solution.

[lavish finch]

Are you familiar with Edward Said?

[serene birch]

who?

[lavish finch]

He wrote a book called Orientalism.

[serene birch]

and which edward

[lavish finch]

He criticizes the depiction of the east by the west.

[serene birch]

is it worth reading?

[lavish finch]

He is worth reading, yes.

[serene birch]

I'll try

[lavish finch]

He explains that "Western scholarship about the Eastern World, is inextricably tied to the imperialist societies who produced it, which makes much Orientalist work inherently political and servile to power."

That's why you get these ideas that muslims are violent, etc.

[serene birch]

Okay, for example, was the Second World War fought between Muslims and Christians?

We saw the wildest things in world history.

[lavish finch]

Don't take the bait, Syther.

[serene birch]

yeah okay got you 🙂

Islam is a young phenomenon that is only 1500 years old. I recommend that you research what it has contributed to science during this time. This has nothing to do with religion, my friend.

[lavish finch]

The only reason we have science is because the muslim world preserved it while Europe was in the dark ages.

[serene birch]

I've never thought of it that way. It seemed very logical

[lavish finch]

Europe is doing plenty on its own to move us back to the stone age.

[serene birch]

Gentlemen, let's not equate terrorists with Muslims. I am a Muslim and I have never harmed anyone, on the contrary, I try to help and benefit everyone.

Let's not forget the extremist Christian terrorists who raided mosques and killed dozen people randomly.

Muslims also believe in Jesus and moses too.

The cultures of countires are very different and this has nothing to do with Islam.

The holy book is more than 600 pages, I don't think everyone reads it.

And not every Muslim is Arab, we are Asian Turks, but we accepted Islam. Just like the Romans accepted Christianity.

Do you know where Jesus was born?

and which language he was spoken.

No, he was speaking Aramaic.

Israel?

lol

He was born in "Beit Lehem" was Aramaic, which means "God's house" or "God's city".

[formal scaffold]

semetic languages has a lot in common

[serene birch]

Ultimately, God did not send a single prophet to a specific group, he sent it to all humanity and many times.

And they all come from the same lineage.

If Muhammad is fake, Moses and others are also fake. If Moses or Jesus is fake, Muhammad is also fake.

This issue is still a matter of debate all over the world, but you have made your decision.

I think you should read the Quran, which is more than 600 pages, for clearere information and resources. And don't forget to take into account that it was told in a language that the people of that time could understand.

[lavish finch]

Sounds like you have a chip on your shoulder.

[serene birch]

Okay, then don't make the mistakes they made and be a good person. You can also just believe in god directly.

Or you may not believe, but we have to be good people alltogether.

This is mandatory.

[lavish finch]

You're just ranting.

[serene birch]

the orders are the same in all of them, all the decisions that we currently define as human rights, such as dont kill, dont steal, do not separate people e.t.c.

[lavish finch]

Most spiritual teachers throughout history didn't write their own books.

[serene birch]

Is there even one sinless person in the world? do we judge others? IS there anyone among us who has never commited a sin or anything bad? Didn't even break a heart?

I always say that if we want to change the world, we must first start with ourselves.

[formal scaffold]

typical 9 year old argument, as if it was an immoral thing back then

Humans has hit peak morality with only fans, sexualizing kids in kindergarten, the amount of drugs distributed and available, the amount of depression suicide rate has never been seen before, now you apply ur shitty morals as a standard?

we abide by biology you abide by laws of gov that gives u random number 18 in some countries 16 in germany 15 in france, so morally speaking french are pedophiles too

common sense follows biology and the 9 years old thing probably smth u heard or read somwhere while u ignore that the number was never precise rather it's a subject of debat since a lot of sources didn't agree on the number

I can go on about when the world has started changing the rules regarding this matter which happened just recently probably 100 years ago but I'm not going to entertain your insults, or mention how u can't distinguish between sex and marriage

[feral river]

?

[formal scaffold]

it'll be surely a waste of time

[feral river]

There are muslims in China such as Uyhgurs in Xinjiang, and they were sent to the concentration camp

because threats the national security

[formal scaffold]

would it be normal if I send chinese in concentration camps here?

[feral river]

you literally can't 🤣

but we can send them to the concentration camp

[formal scaffold]

won't and can't aren't the same thing you know

[feral river]

and it's a nice choice 👍

[formal scaffold]

the only reason I can't do are the things that goes against my relegion

things outside my ability that concerns justice

nothing will stop me from trying them

but i'm not like winnie de puh

[feral river]

he's good he suppresses those basters 🤣

[formal scaffold]

we got a moral code to respect

[feral river]

they want to promote their religion to our state

[formal scaffold]

hopefully most of us do respect it

[feral river]

it's impossible 🤣

[formal scaffold]

their? it's everybody's relegion

[feral river]

no

[formal scaffold]

by that logic you are following someone else politic

[feral river]

we think it's not everybody's religion

[formal scaffold]

you think chiniese came up with their ruling system?

you think buddhisme is chinese?

all started in India

your relegion died long time ago

[feral river]

it's not but they merged with Chinese culture

[formal scaffold]

you just copied yr homework from indians

[feral river]

they were assimilated by us XD

[formal scaffold]

that's what you think, condemning yr own people from being free

you mean atheism is yours too?

or maybe christianity?

[feral river]

free us LMAO do we need to be free ????

[formal scaffold]

exactly

[feral river]

LMAOOOO

[formal scaffold]

it's a joke isn't it? puting people in concentration camp while you are in a big concentration camp yrself

[feral river]

yeah your dream concentration camp bro 🤣

I have nothing to say, continue your day dream and I'm gonna play some games

[formal scaffold]

not my dream the reality you mention yours

[feral river]

no our dream is liberate you all 🤣

[formal scaffold]

if you are conflicted with yrself you should talk it out don't include me in yr paradox

[feral river]

liberate you all

🤣 bye

[serene birch]

I talked about a very different subject there. For some reason you remind me of a sitcom character.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL9JSGkHIZc

[fathom vine]

@native bronze

U here baby

[native bronze]

repeat the facta u dropped

[fathom vine]

Help me understand this.

In Islamic religion if u kill one human is like u killed all humanity.

But the other one is

[formal scaffold]

the actor who played the teacher actually died, according to the last review I read they said it's a suicide attempt since he didn't get as many promising roles as he wanted

[native bronze]

u kill one whoever whowas whatever religion he has it is a huge sin

[fathom vine]

If u leave Islamic religion and become an Christian or whatever u should be killed

[native bronze]

not true

the punishment isnt in our hand

[fathom vine]

Now let me tell u a podcast and watch first 30 mins of it

[native bronze]

as i said

[fathom vine]

This was the exact question it was there

https://www.youtube.com/live/VzjoHtYN05k?si=7NLOJNDJltAu4zmW

[native bronze]

ok

[serene birch]

no this is total disinformation

[fathom vine]

Your Muslim boy believes you should put to death

[serene birch]

Teacher?

[formal scaffold]

help me understand this: "Leave islamic relegion" are you forcing us to leave or maybe i didn't get you? or maybe i pulled that phrase out of context?

[formal scaffold]

Mr brown

[fathom vine]

I meant if u convert from Muslim to another religion

[formal scaffold]

do you understand what context means?

[serene birch]

In Islam, it is permissible to kill only people who kill innocent people for no reason. Terrorists or invader.

[native bronze]

bro i just said it's not true
that it is a must we kill people who got out of islam

[formal scaffold]

u pulled half an aya and compared it to a sharia rule and you pulled a conclusion?

[fathom vine]

Watch 30 mins of podcasts and listen what its talked there

[serene birch]

Oh, never heard it before, so sad. He was actually a good actor.

[fathom vine]

Its a question which im trying to understand. He said he could help

[formal scaffold]

it's an answer i gave u

u can't pull passages from people speech and expect to make conclusions of it

except if you are a liar

are you a liar?

[fathom vine]

@formal scaffold its a question wither its from Islamic or not . Where im i based?
I made that question because i saw that podcast where are Muslim scholars talking about it

[native bronze]

bro these scholars are so weak

Lemme type a paragraph now

[formal scaffold]

allow me o correct u if you are not lying you are wrong; مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَٰلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَىٰ بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا وَمَنْ أَحْيَاهَا فَكَأَنَّمَا أَحْيَا النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا ۚ وَلَقَدْ جَاءَتْهُمْ رُسُلُنَا بِالْبَيِّنَاتِ ثُمَّ إِنَّ كَثِيرا مِّنْهُم بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ فِي الْأَرْضِ لَمُسْرِفون aya 32 al maida, i'll translate acording to my poor understanding :"and because of that we wrote to sons of ISrael that who kills a soul without a soul or for corruption it's as if he killed every soul, and who ressurected that soul it's as it he did that to all souls, and they received out signes through prophets then a lot of them corrputed on the land"

[fathom vine]

But they are accepting the question as true.
Suni and shia by Islamic rules say that whoever changes religion should be put to death

[formal scaffold]

that's how u pull smth from a book

learn

go read the whole passage "surat el maida" if u need more context on the whole thing

[fathom vine]

Look dont care to lie because i don’t even care about religions .
Im a Muslim and slowly im leaving it . Better only believe in God and thats it and not going after religions.
So it was 2 questions that are against each other in same religion

[formal scaffold]

how would u feel if i pull poorly one of the things you said, change it, made it sound wrong?

[native bronze]

I checked what should we do exactly with persons who left islam
first if they are children who arnot mentally aware they shall not be killed
second if he was an adult , his killing is a must cus and that is so different from killing is a sin that makes u enter the hell
cus allah allowed killing in these situations: defending urself, war and adults who go out of islam

[fathom vine]

I said shit . I asked 2 questions

[native bronze]

@fathom vine

[formal scaffold]

well if you believe in shit you'll do good leaving islam

bc you were never a part of it

[serene birch]

There is no compulsion in Islam, everyone is free.

[fathom vine]

Thanks judge of God

[serene birch]

Your faith is between you and God, it is not our place to comment.

[fathom vine]

So killing someone that left Islam is not a sin ?

[serene birch]

It is forbidden to kill.

[native bronze]

but u dont kill him immediately after that , u bring him scholars and try to make him to the right path and if he refused so killing is allowed

[formal scaffold]

at least be honest, say it out loud, you are not here to ask a question you are here to attack and you want us to justify out position

[native bronze]

depends

[formal scaffold]

that's the worst attempt to lie ngl

[fathom vine]

Yes but in that podcast is saying “Mohamed said whoever changes religion kill hem”
And it’s accepted as true by the scholar Muslims on it .

So killing is a sin but killing someone that change religion is not a sin ? this is what im trying to understand

[fathom vine]

So its not a sin ?

[native bronze]

yes

why are u laughing

i just checked

[formal scaffold]

i'm muslim, says mohamed without honoring him, proceed to give fals aya, ask for justification, bro take yr mask off

you were never muslim lol

[fathom vine]

It was a debate that started somewhere else. So you dont know all of it . Better don’t interrupt it if u cant help

[formal scaffold]

I gave you the right aya

you ignore it and you claim you want an answer?

[fathom vine]

Im laughing about the religion.

It oke you didn’t know u learned something new about your religion i dont mind it.

[formal scaffold]

you are basing your question on a flase data

basing ur conclusion on it

[native bronze]

dont laught about the religion?

[fathom vine]

So those scholars on that podcast are lying?

[formal scaffold]

then proceed to use mockery while disguise it

[native bronze]

i didnt learn something new wdym?

[formal scaffold]

"scholars" are as much ignorant as you, as it is the case for almost most ex muslims

ignorant of islam

[native bronze]

true

[fathom vine]

But you guy Sefo here just checked and explained it

Which was true

[formal scaffold]

you pulled the wrong aya, reread the correct one

or bring yr proof that i'm lying

[native bronze]

blud did u even read my message?

[formal scaffold]

he's here to feel good about himself leaving islam

if he don't make an effort to read

[native bronze]

and he then spam

[fathom vine]

Yes . If the one that change religion don’t accept the scholars to put hem in the right path he should be killed.
This is howni understand.
Was it what u mean?

[formal scaffold]

leave him be bro if he wants answers he can ask the revered ex muslims who don't know what's "el fatiha"

[native bronze]

yes , and it is the 3rd only case killing is allowed.

[fathom vine]

Dw in my country we never cared for any religion
I dont care weather it feel good or not

[native bronze]

fr

[fathom vine]

U see this was easy
Thats what I asked if its true or not

[native bronze]

so in other words

[formal scaffold]

if you don't care why were u muslim?

another paradoxian person

[native bronze]

if i met u and killed u

[fathom vine]

He already explained it

[native bronze]

it isnot a sin

[fathom vine]

Ur shit at teaching others dont do it again

[formal scaffold]

HE xD

[fathom vine]

Cool fact

[native bronze]

bro u were laughing all time

u shit at listening

[native bronze]

except u r child

[fathom vine]

Because he joined conversation without knowing what we was talking

[fathom vine]

Im not u free to kill me

[native bronze]

yes

[native bronze]

i answered ur question?

[fathom vine]

Was it hard to explain?? No it wasn’t.

[native bronze]

are u satisfied

[fathom vine]

Yep

[fathom vine]

No i just know one more thing about Islam rules

Which is good after all is education

[native bronze]

so there are no contraindications between two things

[formal scaffold]

My grandpa told me one time his dad sent him with an empty bowl to feed a big troll, once my grandpa arrived the troll actually grabed him instead of the bowel and took a bite of his arm, my grandpa then took a bit of dirt and splashed it on his eyes than ran away, he came back to his dad yelling at him for sending him there, his dad told him you lost and arm, but you learned a lesson my boy, don't ever feed the troll

[fathom vine]

If that makes u happy
But for me its not something good to be in religion of peace

So we have two different opinions that cant match

Which im ok with it i dont mind at all

[native bronze]

[fathom vine]

[formal scaffold]

block him and save yr brain cells this person doesn't want to read part of what you write and discard most of it for the sake of using it against you

[native bronze]

when u see the cases that allowed to kill , other religions are the same except who go out of islam

[fathom vine]

U so dumb
I like u

[native bronze]

block for weak , we good for now i answered his q

[fathom vine]

Yes they have the same rules which pretty much are shit also.
I better stick at believing in God than following some rules which might be ore not be true

[formal scaffold]

my grandpa wasn't weak but he was a fool for losing that arm let me tell you

[fathom vine]

Budy u so ignorant and a type of person that is always “right”

[native bronze]

u want to kill and without getting sinned?

[native bronze]

oh

[fathom vine]

No was trying to see if it true. So you answered yes.
And to understand how is that acceptable by religion which u explained.
So we Okej I understand it if im accept it or not it doesn’t matter I wasn’t here for that

But you friend was here to show of as he is “right” and smart

[native bronze]

i answered yes on three cases if u were Muslim

u aren't

[fathom vine]

Well I used to be used to pray
Slowly by years i left it and im almost being un religious

[fathom vine]

U can say that

[native bronze]

well

i can only wish to u to get back to right path

واسالك الهداية

[fathom vine]

Thank you 😊

[formal scaffold]

where's the 50? if you have the 50 provide them it's easy to make assumptions

won't finish the vedio until you bring the 50 I gave you 11 already

since if you don't it'll be a lie, and i'm not here to watch bunch of lies

﴿إِنَّا أَنزلْنَاهُ قُرْآنًا عَرَبِيًّا لَعَلَّكُمْ تَعْقِلُونَ (٢) ﴾ قال أبو جعفر: يقول تعالى ذكره: إنا أنزلنا هذا الكتاب المبين، قرآنًا عربيًّا على العرب، لأن لسانهم وكلامهم عربي، فأنزلنا هذا الكتاب بلسانهم ليعقلوه ويفقهوا منه، وذلك قوله: ﴿لعلكم تعقلون﴾

in those Ayat allah was directing his speach to the arabian folks mentioning that the quran was in arabic therefore you have no excuse to refuse it

waste of my damn time -_- bring solid arguments

ن كلمة «عرب» مشتقة من الفعل "يُعرب"؛ أي: يُفصح في الحديث، وأصبحت تدل على العرب كجنس لفصاحتهم في اللسان، فيُقال: رجلٌ معرّب إذا كان فصيحًا، ورجل عربي اللسان إذا كان فصيحًا. سُمي العرب عربًا نسبة إلى بلدهم «العربات»، وعربة هي مكة، وباحة العرب، ودار أبي الفصاحة إسماعيل بن إبراهيم

Arabic can mean also "elequent" this person you praise and says he's smart even tho he's egyptian he missed the meaning of the word that even I know

won't watch the vedio seems stupid and dishonest .... next

[humble lion]

Read the first ayahs of this surah with kareem mansouri's voice and happy melting🥰🥰🥰

[formal scaffold]

thanks I'mma check it out, my fav is sulaiman el atibi

[humble lion]

For this specific surah?

[formal scaffold]

Overall

esp surat el hadid

[humble lion]

Gotcha, imma check him out right away

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55MkRCEIqCc

this is the best piece of quran I heard personally

[humble lion]

Wonderful

[formal scaffold]

his voice is smth else ...Mansouri

[humble lion]

My fave is abdulbasit abdulsamad

[formal scaffold]

I can never imitate them they use (المد بـ 6) I need long breath for that

[humble lion]

Yessssss and the المقام he chose is for talented ones only masha'allah lol

After him is المنشاوي for me

Legends to a point i dont listen to anyone else ever

🥰🥰🥰🥰

[formal scaffold]

said to be the best around here, I'll listen a bit it's been a while I didn't hear it, I'll try to find some peace of heart hopefully

[humble lion]

Indeed u'll find insha'allah.

[humble lion]

https://youtu.be/iU7B967xbqw?si=lplgGoKlmTpchDK4

[thorny steeple]

Denmark took 300 refugees from Palestine in 1992, 64% turned into criminals, 34% of their children turned into criminals

Enough is enough

"it has nothing to do with genetics"

"we are exactly the same people"

"we have to let them be here much more"

"we need them here so bad"

Islam values are most important ones

especially in Europe

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

I think Europe needs some sharia law

more than ever

let's let Putin to over this war against Ukraine by his own rules

and then we start to take over Europe

[thorny steeple]

under sharia law

Putin isn't against Islam like Europeans are

they deserve to fall apart under the flag with the symbols in Arabic

[broken birch]

[thorny steeple]

What do you guys think of this statistics?

I presume this is not true

because most Palestinians and Muslims in particular are the most benevolent people

[broken birch]

this shit is filled with lies

[thorny steeple]

London has fallen

The majority of ministers are Indians

Most of people as well

as soon as possible

[broken birch]

what 💀

lol

[thorny steeple]

Cultural enrichment by Muslim "refugees" is the best solution for Europe to save their culture

[thorny steeple]

Browns*

and that's fantastic!

[violet peak]

wat

[thorny steeple]

true

they wont live otherwise

[thorny steeple]

that's a very beautiful voice! I also like Mishary Alafasy's voice, such a majestic voice! absolutely my favorite.

[formal scaffold]

poverty influences crime rates because at its core, it highlights and reinforces the differences between the wealthy class and those who are poor. The greater the gap happens to be, then the greater the benefits are to a thief to use that wealth in some way to their own advantage

that's 1

2- palestinians are actually from diffrent ethnicities including atheism mostly muslim ofc

3- those people aren't relegious muslims since their action don't reflect their relegion according to your sources ofc

4- take the US as studying field, minorities are the one that commites more crimes (non muslims ofc) it's bc of the way they are treated and protrayed by the police force, most white people, since the day they are born they are considred potential criminals, if I'm born or regard or seen as a potential criminals chances are I become a criminal myself

[thorny steeple]

you mean beliefs or something like that cuz ethnicity is relatively about nationality

[formal scaffold]

beliefs

[formal scaffold]

we got non muslim refugees here from central africa commiting hellla crimes here, but never I concluded it happened bc they were black

or bc they were non muslim

it'd be a poor conclusion ig

we are all the same there's no superior race

circumstances bring to life problems

[thorny steeple]

I would say this is more genetic. I mean those minorities do not finish school "pretty" good

[formal scaffold]

why do you think they don't finish school?

[thorny steeple]

Just look at the statistics

[thorny steeple]

Well

[formal scaffold]

exactly the problem of every refugee system, they bring in problems more than solutions

they basically do it to get more labor hands, as that journaliste said to creticise trump and I quote her:" if you kick mexicans who'll clean our houses"

you face the monster you created

but it's a noble gesture

really idk any alternative aside from the madina incident that happened to our prophet

when they ran away as refugees the the madina people split everything with them 50/50

I see no man is generous enough to do that nowadays

[formal scaffold]

PS: Tribes usually had a sense of rivality, in fighting, problems, the fact that they accepted them after just recently converts it's a lesson humanity should speak of

[lament summit]

Hi

How are you guys

[thorny steeple]

fine and you?

[lament summit]

M good too

Where u from

[thorny steeple]

Albania

What about you

[thorny steeple]

im curios how did we get past the tribal stage?

[formal scaffold]

the same way you did buddy

[thorny steeple]

ok?

[formal scaffold]

you see you were an infant who could just crawl with no power no intel, just a potential life form, you took from your parents and surrounding, ig that's what tribes did, including muslim tribes who were the most advanced in science once, they translated ancient greece and indian books and used them to evolve, nothing is ours really we just borrow stuff and call it our own.

[thorny steeple]

so we need to just live

overcome these wars and bad stuff

and continue to live

[vagrant swan]

new age wars have no mercy

[formal scaffold]

the longer we live the more answers we have

[thorny steeple]

in order to find some piece someday

[thorny steeple]

they have never had

[formal scaffold]

pecentage wise humanity suffered more

[thorny steeple]

that depends thou

[vagrant swan]

benefits of big countries are above all right now

childerens , peoples , all of them

they are dying

[thorny steeple]

nice explanation

[thorny steeple]

150 billion humans have life on this planet

[vagrant swan]

really?

its a bit of an exaggeration ig

[thorny steeple]

my bad

[thorny steeple]

with some assumptions about population size throughout human history, we can get a rough idea of this number: About 117 billion members of our species have ever been born on Earth.

[vagrant swan]

that's so many

8 billion people is living in the world now

[thorny steeple]

yea

[thorny steeple]

Sustainable population refers to a proposed sustainable human population of Earth or a particular region of Earth, such as a nation or continent. Estimates vary widely, with estimates based on different figures ranging from 0.65 billion people to 9.8 billion, with 8 billion people being a typical estimate. by google

[vagrant swan]

ik i didnt mean that

[thorny steeple]

well imagine 15 billion people on the planet

do you think the planet can handle that many people

[civic reef]

possibly

would cause few problems

housing crisis in more countries than now, maybe also unemployment crisis like in china

or worse than china cuz chinese one is not the most terrible i can imagine

[thorny steeple]

I believe it's possible with proper management.

[broken birch]

That's the reason why i want to escape the planet lol

Outer space is more beautiful and peace

[violet peak]

Good luck breathing

And not dying

[broken birch]

Yk mars is beautiful and it can hold oxygen for a bit

Just need stronger atmosphere and some plants

[civic reef]

I can imagine the top richest people of the planet leaving it, while it burns and drowns in crisis, and inhabiting some other planet with other rich people only, so that "the new mankind" consists only of the richest of the richest

but this is still my imagination and i do not see it happening too quickly

[civic reef]

they could potentially be quoting some trendy slogans like "survival of the fittest" or other stuff which suggests that the weaker people should be all killed off, while they survive, i suppose people who now believe in slogans like this would not be so convinced of them anymore

today my imagination seems a bit too venomous i guess

[broken birch]

💀

Yeah but i think that space tourism will be available for the middle class in 2035 maybe or even before

[thorny steeple]

passenger travel to mars might be available in the 2040s or 2050s

[broken birch]

Wait ig i wrote mercury instead of mars in my previous message

Well nvm

[broken birch]

Ig it might be available in 2035

[thorny steeple]

or 2080 in that time i will be 73 in that time

[broken birch]

There are a lot of new technologies and existing things they are working on currently

[thorny steeple]

true

[broken birch]

So yeah ig its 2035

[thorny steeple]

if i managed to live past 100 i will be in 2123 116

[broken birch]

I hope that our planet would still exists in 2100

[thorny steeple]

yea

[civic reef]

you are right, "might" is a very good word here

i think we will all kill each other way earlier

But its not like am saying we should cry about this, f#ck all of that i dont care

[feral river]

I believe the US doesn’t need more minorities 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

they already have a lot which heavily destabilized their country in any field

Trump is right in my scale

and Xi jinping is excellent to tackle with them

we all live in a stable, prosperous society freely without them

[worn pond]

?define secluded

[cursive bobcat]

Word: secluded

Definition 1 (adjective): hidden from general view or use
Definition 2 (adjective): providing privacy or seclusion

Definition requested by mus_simahin

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[timber heron]

Ok!

[static pivot]

[craggy sphinx]

are you alive

[static pivot]

Young and alive

[craggy sphinx]

good bro

[main bison]

hey you're chinese ?

[thorny steeple]

What is the formal view about Maximillien Robbespiere in France? How do history books mention about him?(positive ör negative) and how is general memory in French society about Maximillien Robbespiere?

ıf there is any French,i will be happy if he or she reply

[feral river]

yeah sup

[main bison]

so cool

[feral river]

where ru from

[main bison]

iran

[sullen saffron]

If my dog had sensed danger, it would bark. (İs this sentence correct?)

[serene birch]

If my dog senses danger, it barks.

[civic reef]

you are partially wrong here. i mean, your answer is correct in terms of grammar, but what you said here is not the same as what the person above implied

[civic reef]

it is correct

it is a mixed conditional sentence using past perfect + would, it implies that there was a moment when the dog might have sensed some danger, but it didnt, so as a result, it doesnt bark now

this is the first one from the top

[craggy sphinx]

#📚｜english-questions

[serene birch]

You look like a fanatic whose brain is filled with false information. Have you been to China before?

? Are you racist?

China is no different from America, both are lead of the evilness

• Russia + Uk + France

+Spain

and more and more

What did you meant here?

I know very well, dont worry.

Why is China currently trying to help Palestine and America is doing its best to destroy it?

My country (Turkey) has been trying to tell the world about what happened in Palestine and the Uyghur Turks for years, but the world is blind and reckless. Especially the west.

Because western countires are selfish, plundering and occupying.

I would like to discuss this with you at lenght, but you are making a different propaganda here with little information.

If they had not done this, palastine would have completely dissappered by now. Please let's not talk about daily information. The history of that place is not a 5-10 year event.

Every day they steal their children of the people palastine, rob their homes, cut down their trees and steal their animals. They have benn doing this for 70 years and with the support of the west and zionist black propaganda.

There is no Israel there is Palestine. Even real orthodox Jews here they believe they are Palestinian.

I don't want to waste my time with you and I'm withdrawing from the conversation because this is not a topic that can be explanaied in 5-10 minutes.

Are you living in Turkey?

What do you plan to do about the israel phenomenon? It is the most fascist country in the world and they are governed by a modified Jewish belief.

I born in Turkey in 1990. Please do not deceive people by giving false information about my country that you do not know.

Or China

Very funny man. Have a nice day.

I'm out sorry

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/S_tTgryABBU

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/piIgkqPmI-w

There are other videos that I cannot share here, they are full of brutality from israel .

[thorny steeple]

we are capable of making the world a better place.

[serene birch]

I think so, because we are impartial and on the side of the oppressed.

[thorny steeple]

where, I wonder. 🤔

[serene birch]

My friend, Israel has been killing children for 50+ years. Where were you then?

They steal children and sell their organs.

where were you then?

Where was your humanity?

could you send me a video of Israeli tanks bombing their own houses? or that he killed civilians at the festival party with helicopters?

I'm not saying Hamas did the right thing here, Hamas is a terrorist, Israel is 5x terrorist, America is 10x terrorist.

Oh kid your ego

I'm done

HAHAHAQHA

this is the funniest thing I have ever heard.

If America hadn't stolen and killed scientists, it would have happened elsewhere too.

[thorny steeple]

perhaps there is no video of such, the raw videos that Israel has sent doesn't show a clear cut "HAMAS" militants committing massacres, Al-Qassam brigades's spokesman Abu-Ubaidah said there were other people who entered Israel in October the 7th, we don't know who might've killed innocent civilians, that's if we completely overlook the testimonials of many Israeli citizens who accused the IDF of invoking the Hanibal directive, which means Israel murdered its own civilians.

[serene birch]

If you continue to insult me or muslims, I will report you.

or better the block you

Don't worry, I know the truths very well, and as you learn history, you will regret everything you say in the future. Let it pass now and you don't have enough information.

[thorny steeple]

Al-Qassam brigades wear a specific band and an official clothing, there is nowhere in this video where it shows them killing innocent civilians. also their weapons arsenal is incapable of such destruction, they use very basic weapons, the annihilated cars are signs of IDF tanks and other IDF weapons.

[serene birch]

you are just the "type of person who believes everything when you see two videos on Twitter." Don't get me wrong.

I'm blocking you for my sanity.

[thorny steeple]

even in the raw videos Israel posted to aid its propaganda were against it in the first place, it shows Al-Qassam militants shouting don't shoot civilians, save your bullets for the army.

[serene birch]

you don't know anything

just you are fanatic

[thorny steeple]

AMRIKA 🦅

based on the data I have, they were targeting the IDF and taking hostages to exchange them with the tons of Palestinians who are held in the Israeli prisons, facing torments of all kinds.

[serene birch]

Let's just accept that america is superior, savior, we wouldn't be able to breathe without america, let the child be happy.

@spring zephyr

[spring zephyr]

Yes sir.

[serene birch]

They insult and slander muslims.

could you help about it please

[spring zephyr]

where? show me.

[civic reef]

i said what i said, this is not an insult

[spring zephyr]

tag me along with the chat.

[serene birch]

@spring zephyr

@spring zephyr

instead of discussing, they are havin fun with humiliation.

[spring zephyr]

Hold on.

[thorny steeple]

Oh my god this chat is full of ad hominem

[serene birch]

@spring zephyr false information about he is don't know anything about Turkey

[brave zinc]

I am pretty sure most people in the west would not agree with your claim that they have freedom.

[thorny steeple]

Y'all should learn from me how to debate first

this is one of many testimonials by former Palestinian prisoners.
https://youtu.be/JATTM_BfKvE?si=80QwXRvsSIdX3Sdt

I can provide you with as many facts as you want, one sec.

[serene birch]

Finaly one correct information

[spring zephyr]

@tulip pagoda @civic reef @prisma jay No blasphemy in the server. Against the rules. Keep blasphemous opinions to yourselves. Argue in a healthy and respectful way. Opinions ain't Facts. Take it as a warning.

[serene birch]

again

[civic reef]

lol

[serene birch]

@spring zephyr

sorry for bother you

[thorny steeple]

@prisma jay
I always do my own research before posting anything, so I'm not driven by any alleged propaganda.

[serene birch]

This place is starting to turn into a primary school

[brave zinc]

Do you understand how pathetic you are for insulting the people of another religion? You think he's a baby for bringing the attention of a mod?

[spring zephyr]

Hide your butt into some other bully servers. This aint the place. Words aint enough? Welcome to the prison perhaps.

[thorny steeple]

@prisma jay

[serene birch]

We can't get anywhere this way . That way we'l start killing eachother soon. That's why I won't take this bait.

[thorny steeple]

@prisma jay

[serene birch]

thank you for keeping order.

[thorny steeple]

@prisma jay
for more information about Israel's long history of terrorism and barbarism.

@prisma jay
these are just glimpse of the amount of disturbing footage I have of Palestinian suffrage and struggle. I intentionally pick the lowest videos and footage in terms of graphic content.

[serene birch]

Meanwhile, no one talks about the jews and has no hostilty towards them. In fact, Jews, Muslims and christians have common beliefes and those who believe in one god are believers. Our hostality is towards any state, organization, country or anything that kills innocent people for resource insterest and control power.

[thorny steeple]

perhaps Mr. Nobody had nobody to tell him the truth about this CUTE Israel state.

[serene birch]

Sometimes people can get so confused like this..

[thorny steeple]

well, the most just thing to do is to return the land to its owners, Israel is a terrorist occupation regime that has stolen the land, so when you deny Palestinians to say we want all of it, you're denying their legitimate rights.

I am a Muslim, do you have any problem with me?

if you think I'm lying, point out where are those lies.

[broken birch]

What the

[thorny steeple]

well, that's the best you've got. me however, I know how to shatter your arguments intellectually in seconds, so if you're expecting me to return the insult, sorry to disappoint you, I'm not good at your game.

[serene birch]

I don't know :d, I found it on the internet. he is very confused guy by the videos on social media...

[thorny steeple]

not an argument.

[spring zephyr]

Welcome to the Enghub Prison to teach you some lessons on how to work on your manners .

[serene birch]

Respect wins.

Is there any country where there is no democracy or where science or laws?

[thorny steeple]

the British colonization*, it should've been under the Palestinian sovereignty.

[serene birch]

I didn't insult anyone. When I saw the photo, I told the truth.

all of them.

[spring zephyr]

Did he personally attack you or your community through any hateful speech or smthn? If he did, show me.

[serene birch]

he actually attacked direct me at the first.

wait a sec

@spring zephyr

Dude, why do you keep bringing the topic up to muslims?

[spring zephyr]

FYI, i'm none of them. Bold of you to assume such thing. Kudos.

[spring zephyr]

Guy with a Griffith pfp. You should've known.

[serene birch]

I don't know griffith

but better the block him I guess, Because he doesn't seem to know how to argue.

[spring zephyr]

Search about him in google. Biggest antagonist in anime history.

[thorny steeple]

during the Islamic golden age, no one was near the scientific advancement of Muslims, most of the modern scientific methods are based on the Islamic contribution and sometimes invention.
about the Islamic laws, Islam established equality between all races, the prophet peace be upon him said "O people, verily your Lord is One and your father is one. Verily there is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab or of a non-Arab over an Arab, or of a red man over a black man, or of a black man over a red man, except in terms of taqwa. Have I conveyed the message?", it took you over 1300 years to realize that, we are definitely light years ahead. despite the unfortunate weakness the Islamic world and the struggles it is going through, which is initially caused by terrorist states such as the U.S., the U.K., and even the terrorist regime known as Israel, we are still light years ahead of you morally, we have our objective morality.

[spring zephyr]

Wanna have arguments with me? Join me in vc later. Not a text person.

[serene birch]

how do you plan to build a world without war by creating hatred and insulting? The community you defend has torn nearly 10.000 children and babies to pieces so far.

@prisma jay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSiGSxI3nVU

he is the father of Bella Hadid

just watch please buddy

before you talk, he is spilling the facts.

dones matter because of our region

youtube share first our region channels

I don't think it is blongs to directly to TRT

okay okay

your are right sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boKtTMhIYBI @prisma jay

now I dont have more to say that is total enough

now start insult jews because they are believe they are Palestinian too 🙂

[thorny steeple]

modern algebra gains its groundwork from Al-Khwarizmi who was a Muslim mathematician.
Astronomers like Nasir al-Din al-Tusi expanded trigonometry beyond basic functions, creating spherical trigonometry essential for celestial navigation.
Muslim astronomers produced highly accurate star charts and astronomical tables, enabling them to predict planetary movements and eclipses with remarkable precision.
Ibn al-Haytham, known as Alhazen, developed the camera obscura, laying the foundation for modern optics and understanding of light and vision.
Ibn Sina (Avicenna) and others studied mechanics and motion, influencing subsequent thinkers like Galileo Galilei.
Muslim chemists like Jabir ibn Hayyan (Geber) pioneered distillation, crystallization, and other processes, laying the foundation for modern chemistry.
Ibn Sina's Canon of Medicine and Abu al-Qasim al-Zahrawi's Kitab al-Tasrif (The Book of Surgery) became influential medical texts in Europe for centuries.

these are only samples, there still tons of contribution in various scientific fields. most of the above are inventions, not only contributions and development of science prior to the Islamic golden age.

so to say Muslims don't know about science, is dead false. even modern scientists cannot make such an ignorant claim about Islam, Muslims were the most advanced people in terms of science, medicine, and astronomy when the west was in its dark ages.

https://youtu.be/tJJLvoDg2_E?si=NRlMTHsjhTH6TtXc

as Neil deGrasse Tyson says, Algebra was invented during the golden age of Islam, the word Algorithm is an Arabic word driven from Al-Khwarizmi's name, in Arabic it's pronounced Al-Khawarzimiat => Algorithms.

[serene birch]

they are already gone buddy.

[thorny steeple]

honestly, from what I usually experience, Islamophobia makes people less rational, and more ignorant to the reality of Islam. Islam is always light years ahead.

[serene birch]

Even if you tell, I don't think they will read or research it.

[thorny steeple]

it doesn't matter, it's for everybody to get informed about Islam.

[serene birch]

People are just looking for a reason to be fanatical. Today it will be Islam, tomorrow it will be Christianity maybe tomorrow they will become enemies of ukraine and israel, which they defend today. Even maybe their country.

I know only one truth and idea, opinions and perspectives are changing constantly.

[thorny steeple]

I used the CC translation, can't find what supports your claim.

I suggest you use English videos, 'cause I don't understand Russian. luckily, there are many videos in favor and against Islam that you could use to support your claims and that we can discuss in an intellectual way.

[serene birch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Zm6I0z0VxLs
Putin is also on the right track. He will become a Muslim soon and correct his mistakes. 🙂

I think it would be more honorable for people to stop making jokes and insulting people about this issue.
Because Muslims love and beleive Jesus and Moses and they do not disrespect them.

Everyone makes mistakes. The important thing is to fix it asap.

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[serene birch]

none of us are angels.

[exotic scarab]

@thorny steeple yes definetly and the vegan diet will harm more the earth them a ranch full of cows ready to be slayed and delivered in a single truck

[serene birch]

Dude, do all muslims become terorists just because a few terorist did this? I don't even care about the man who drew a picture of muhammad.

Also, America is bellind the whole world. Do I stand up and say that the entire american people are terorists? I know many good and beuitiful people from america.

you are very extremist and you are making black propagada, this is so wrong.

You are trying to spread hatred.

[thorny steeple]

Please support your claims with resources and evidence based articles about what you say so i can comment about it otherwise i dont discuss personal conclusions

1. yes, Muslims definitely used prior knowledge and built upon it, this is in favor of my argument not yours, it proves that Muslims learned the ancient scientific advancements and contributed in it, and even invented scientific methods, most of which are used today in modern science. I gave examples above.
2. "Allah ˹Himself˺ is a Witness that there is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him—and so are the angels and people of knowledge. He is the Maintainer of justice. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him—the Almighty, All-Wise." [Qur'an 3:18], "just as people, living beings, and cattle are of various colours as well. Of all of Allah’s servants, only the knowledgeable ˹of His might˺ are ˹truly˺ in awe of Him. Allah is indeed Almighty, All-Forgiving." [Qur'an 35:28], "Exalted is Allah, the True King! Do not rush to recite ˹a revelation of˺ the Quran ˹O Prophet˺ before it is ˹properly˺ conveyed to you,1 and pray, “My Lord! Increase me in knowledge.”" [Qur'an 20:114], "˹Are they better˺ or those who worship ˹their Lord˺ devoutly in the hours of the night, prostrating and standing, fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the mercy of their Lord? Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Are those who know equal to those who do not know?” None will be mindful ˹of this˺ except people of reason." [Qur'an 20:114], so Islam definitely encourages people to reason, reflect, and to gain knowledge. in the golden age, Muslims were the most scientific advanced people, even more advanced than Mayans, and Aztects, despite this fact, I've never claimed we Muslims are the only people who contributed in science in the first place, you made a ridiculous claim that Islam and Muslims don't know science, so I was just decently shattering your argument, we know science very well.

3. the golden age of Muslims and their scientific discoveries stopped by Mongols who murdered most of the Muslim scientists, and spread corruption, Muslims after that were so busy rebuilding, yet they still had some contribution in science though.

[serene birch]

Which era are you talking about? The greeks had many periods and regions and many different authoritarianisms. Also, there were a ton of sects and cults that were very malicious, just like the zionists today. Also, you can't instul the gods in greeks. I don't think there has ever been such a rule. If there was freedom of though or speech, they would not have killed "Socrates" by forcing him to drink poison. Dude because I'm from turkey and you think we are ignorant and uninformed, but get out of this mistake.

[thorny steeple]

yes, mocking either Allah, the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him, the companions, or the Islamic scholars and knowledgeable people is a red line, I followed them in a sequential order of severity. don't expect us to be tolerant with whoever dares to cross this line.

Lol= league of Legends

[serene birch]

We dont have any dictators.

lol this guy is crazy.

he has crated a different world in his imagination and judges everyone

[thorny steeple]

I personally despise anyone insulting the Prophet peace and blessings be upon him in any way.

[serene birch]

Dude there are 2 billion muslims in the world, not all of the are real muslim.

OK then, let people live however they want.

maybe they wanna live with sharia, it is not your business

you can't bring democracy wherever you want with massacre.

Then this would not be democracy, it would be domination.

[thorny steeple]

many Muslims have essentially reverted to Islam primarily due to our intolerance to anyone who dares to cross these lines.
why would I respect and love someone who insults the most precious thing to me? such a stupid claim honestly. it's like saying, if people attack you, you shouldn't respond in kind, respect them and be cute.

[serene birch]

let the people decide.

The whole worlds wants a ceasefire, America vetoes on behalf of israel

is this democracy? or Dominiation?

Democracy is biggest lie in the world.

If you are not under America's command, they are a dictator 😄

I'm very free man, I told you don't talk about me persoanlly if you dont know

[formal scaffold]

this should be the shit on islam text chanel, not serious chat

Islam started since Adam if you don't recognize that, then you are speaking about another islam

[serene birch]

this guy is copy-pasting something and trying to trigger us.

probably he is under drug effects.

[formal scaffold]

yeah it's not only him

[thorny steeple]

even if what the video proposed is true, some incidents of Muslims trying to protect the Ummah from any heresy or disinformation that could potentially affect their spiritual well-being is nothing to be ashmed of, and definitely doesn't erase the scientific inventions and contributions of Muslims driven by the Islamic encouragement to learn, gain knowledge, reason, and reflect.

[serene birch]

Also he is constantly insults people .

[formal scaffold]

the fact of the matter is the terror attacks they are talking about in numbers are nothing like their claims, if all of them were not fabricated

[serene birch]

I give the man real sources and he still triest to spread hatred. I thinkj banning is the best option sometimes.

[formal scaffold]

I hate my self for taging along their hate game, bc i hate to justify myself instead of having a genuin conversation

on what ground they think they are higher than me?

[thorny steeple]

you're mostly using red herring, deviating from the main point which is that Islam and Muslims have made a huge contribution and were once the most scientifically advanced civilization on the planet.

[lavish finch]

Who is spreading hatred and constantly insulting people?

[serene birch]

@prisma jay

He is making anti-islamic propaganda here

[serene birch]

you are right, i should listen to your advice for my sanity 🙂

[formal scaffold]

I should listen to my advice too this isn't a place for fights and hatred rather for understading

[lavish finch]

It's difficult to have conversations when we disagree.

[formal scaffold]

I think it's a blessing to make mistakes, and I recognize I made a lot while responding to stuff I Disagreed with

[lavish finch]

You can learn to disagree without taking the differences between you just personally.

[serene birch]

Yes, I'm trying to explain that, not every muslim is a terorist, but this guy thinks that we are also we are ignorant and that we would nothing if it weren't for america and that we would be shepherds. This is the thesis he stubbornly defends. He came to judge us instead of exchanging information.

[lavish finch]

Some people in the world, and here, will insult and judge us.

[serene birch]

It is nice to have dissagreement while arguing, but it doesn't work when it involves humilations

[formal scaffold]

Yeah, I think I should contain my emotions, when they spoke of the prophet (pbuh) I felt wronged since he's a person I highly respect and they spoke ill of him without knowing him except few rumours

[lavish finch]

What exactly was humiliating?

[serene birch]

I have to check past and this is very tiring 🙂

this is one

[lavish finch]

You don't have to, but it could be useful for understanding how you react to what others say.

When they disagree

[serene birch]

why do am i slave?

[formal scaffold]

how? ignoring them?

[lavish finch]

As if you are a slave by someone saying it is so.

You can ignore people, but I try not to ignore anyone. I do make decisions about what is important to me. I don't consider that ignoring things that are not important to me.

I pay attention when there is a disagreement.

[serene birch]

He does the same thing not only to me but also to flare.

and im telling you because you asked, otherwise i don't are anymore

becuase he will not the last person.

[lavish finch]

I'm suggesting a strategy that can be used with any disagreement, not just one person.

[quasi crown]

guys what are you talking about? can i join ur convo ?

[serene birch]

yes, anytime you want.

[lavish finch]

Sure, you can join. And you can know what we're talking about by reading what we write.

There's a record here.

[quasi crown]

i appreciate it budd

[formal scaffold]

I did pay attention by reading what he said and using the same logic he used either on him or on smth else to show how unjust it was, but I doubt this is the strategy you are speaking of.

[thorny steeple]

I want too

What is debate topic

[serene birch]

Honestly, I want to talk about science, planets, galaxies, and physics, but we always argue here and there with arguments and topics that will people to stop hating each other. If you have a good one, lit.

[formal scaffold]

the only person who I could speak too, and who disagreed with me was Nathan

[lavish finch]

It's true that my suggestion is a bit different. It's not good enough just to pay attention to the words and information someone is saying. It's also important to pay attention to the emotional component, especially our own.

You can't make anyone stop hating people, just like you can't make them love people.

[formal scaffold]

I accept hate if it's backed up with facts, aside from nathan, they were using lies or half truths which isn't genuine and when you caught them red handed they don't recognize their error instead they initiate another attack on islam and expect us to defend it

[lavish finch]

This is a public channel, so you're going to get arguments and noise that make conversations difficult.

[quasi crown]

im afraid that is not true can always change people

u wont change the whole world ofc

but u should do your best when u see that thres a chance

[serene birch]

If you still want to share information here, we should not confuse people by giving false information

[lavish finch]

That's not in our control.

[serene birch]

For example, the thesis on which the man constantly relies. That all muslims are uneducated, ignorant and terrorist.

[lavish finch]

People are inevitably going to believe things that we don't believe.

[serene birch]

I've been wasting my precious time on this for two hours.

[formal scaffold]

you can't clap with one hand

[lavish finch]

Meaning?

Do you mean that you need someone to share basic assumptions to have a meaningful conversation?

[formal scaffold]

a therapist can't really heal his patient, he can just influence him, guide him, he puts the ball in his field

it's up to the client to work hard toward healing

same for convo

[serene birch]

For some reason, the man who never stopped talking, hasn't spoken since you came, he/she is literally dissaprerd.

[lavish finch]

But your role here with other people is not as their therapist.

[formal scaffold]

it's just an example, I didn't mean I'm in any position higher than them, just came to my mind since we mentioned it recently

"it takes two to make a life" would be a better example ig

[lavish finch]

I mention it because our role and the context matters.

[formal scaffold]

my role isn't to justify myself, not to convince or proove people wrong as a muslim, but just to convey the right message or correct the wrong message from islam

[serene birch]

Our role is to find immortality, only then will there be tranquillity. We definitely need to be immortal. Thus, we will reach the final knowledge and everyone will know everything and there will be no need to argue.

[formal scaffold]

but I became arrogant and didn't do my role well recently

[lavish finch]

That might be your role, but you're going to have trouble if you impose that same role on people uninterested in it.

As you said "our"

"our role"

[formal scaffold]

prophets are reknown to be called liars, crazy, whiches, but not in any way they'll try to defend themselves, rather they'll convey a simple message or correct misconception about it

[lavish finch]

And who is the prophet you're talking about?

[serene birch]

Yes absolutely right.

[formal scaffold]

well I made a mistake, by our I meant, what we are taught as muslims is that we have an obligation to give the message we have to people without forcing them

[formal scaffold]

the ones I believe in, Noah (pbuh) came to mind

[serene birch]

this is what the people in the west need to understand.

[lavish finch]

You want them to understand

[serene birch]

They are always trying to impose something to us

[formal scaffold]

just hear not understand

[lavish finch]

No one likes to be pushed

[serene birch]

They should understand first, we are educated and free people.

[formal scaffold]

exactly, I would never speak of it until the other party feels like it, and I've never spoke of it except when people actually attacked it here to clear misconspection about certein lies

but I took it further than that

[lavish finch]

It's easy to get drawn in

[formal scaffold]

in a position where u feel right you feel obliged to tell people what to do which is wrong

[lavish finch]

But you're not obligated

[broken birch]

True

[lavish finch]

If you think you're obligated, that will likely lead to feeling like time has been wasted

[formal scaffold]

Happened to Prophet jones before where he ran away from his people bc he gave up conveying the message to them and thought talking to others will be far better which he was punished for by god

[serene birch]

I think it is best to use and chat with chatgpt, but it knows until 2022, it doesnt know about this year.

[lavish finch]

I'm not suggesting running away either

[serene birch]

Sometiems I write while talking to myself.

I gave myself advice.

[formal scaffold]

Surah an-Nahl
125. Invite to your Lord’s Way with wisdom and good advice, and debate with them in the most dignified manner. Your Lord is aware of those who stray from His path, and He is aware of those who are guided.

"And who is better in speech than one who invites to Allah and does righteousness and says, "Indeed, I am of the Muslims." fusilat aya 33

this makes me feel obliged when I'm not bothering anyone ofc

[lavish finch]

You may believe you are obliged

And I may believe you are free

[formal scaffold]

I believe I'm both, it can be hard to grasp but I'm shackling my self by my own belief

[lavish finch]

I read Nobody's comments

I disagree with them

I don't feel obliged to tell them or convince them to change

That would put a serious burden on me

and waste my time

[formal scaffold]

what if you believe that everytime you do it you are rewarded by god?

[lavish finch]

what if I don't

[formal scaffold]

ofc not convince them rather conveying a message

[formal scaffold]

if you don't then you'd feel it's a waste of time

if you do it

[serene birch]

I love chat-gpt, it is very respectful individual.

It is offered this in response to your words.

[lavish finch]

Notice that you are inviting them back to engage

[serene birch]

But I'm going outsite now

Have a nice day, evening what ever time it is rn

And he needs to discuss to learn. I guess this is why we are here.

good bye everybody.

[formal scaffold]

I gotta confess that "engaging in defending islam or convincing people it's good " was a waste of time, i should've just stick to correcting the resources or mentioning messages

I think we agreed on everything, apart from the believe part, you choose to not believe and I respect that and I choose to believe

[formal scaffold]

I thank you for engaing with me I gotta dip got something to do

[serene birch]

Many people in America came from these countries. There are no original Americans.

[formal scaffold]

take care bro

[serene birch]

you too buddy.

[vale ledge]

The nobel price is not a very good indicator of the level or recherche in a contry

[thorny steeple]

Guys I can not understand, What is Queer gender?,

[thorny steeple]

Queer is not about gender

as far as I know it's about your orientation

gay, lesbian or whatever

[broken birch]

Remember that the most of the moder science basis was actually from the arabs long ago

[serene birch]

and chinese

and greeks

[broken birch]

• the first person who developed a camera was alhasan ibn alhaitham whichs Arabic too

[broken birch]

And india

[broken birch]

In maths specially

[serene birch]

lets deal with Asia, Middle East and south europe

[broken birch]

Without all these the US won't be even known

[serene birch]

They're just masters at stealing resources and even scientists xD

[broken birch]

They just discovered it less than 500 years ig

[broken birch]

Fr

[serene birch]

no dude, you know it wron,g it's shaped like a sphere.

like this

[broken birch]

There are arab scientists who actually had some hypothesis for earth

[serene birch]

I am not an arab, but I prefer to be friend swith them instead of you.

[broken birch]

Im not saying that the US just stole the science

[serene birch]

because they are more clever and respectful

[broken birch]

But remember that the basis was mostly the arabs knowledge

[serene birch]

where are you from btw?

[broken birch]

Ik
But when the golden age came the arabs was in a long war with the kingdoms until the Othman's kingdom destroyed

[serene birch]

Someone needs to teach this about the pyramids of Giza

[broken birch]

And btw

[serene birch]

probably he believes this is maded by aliens

[broken birch]

In the medical field they still uses ibn sina knowledge

[broken birch]

We call him the father of medicine

[serene birch]

I don't think he know who is he

probably the first time he heard.

[thorny steeple]

Ok but what is orientation of queers (such as lesbians are woman-woman)

[broken birch]

He was born in Afghanistan

[serene birch]

I don't understand what exactly this man is fighting for.

[broken birch]

Everyone knows that he is Arabic

But anyway at the time the golden age came the arabs was in a horrible situation with the empires and the mongols

[serene birch]

If we allow it a little, he will say that america created the world.

[broken birch]

Until they burnt the baghdad great library

[broken birch]

Which was a disaster for the scientific city

[serene birch]

Why? they are making atomic bombs now?

They are good a science

[broken birch]

The religion does not affect science and as i said the most of the modern science basis was for muslim scientists

[broken birch]

In all the scientific fields

Even astronomy

[serene birch]

I think this guy is talking randomly. He accepts what comes to his mind as true and shares it.

[broken birch]

And maths

And medicine

[serene birch]

what is barbaric laws?

Vetoing ceasefire?

yes you are right this is barbaric and evilness laws.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pFISiqFTr2E

Einstein from germany

[broken birch]

Ik know but do you know that the real numbers that arab took from the Indians was actually had a geometrical shape depends on the number

[broken birch]

Like number 1 had 1 corner and number 2 had 2 and so on

[broken birch]

When the European took the numbers they ruined that shapes

And the 0 was actually invented by arabs too btw

You are talking in the 20th and 21th centuries but what about the previous centuries

[serene birch]

or a world dominated and destroyed by america

[broken birch]

Like there are 19 centuries you just forgot to talk about

[serene birch]

North korea and south korea == Palastine and israel

Japan destroyed by 2 atom bombs

oil

this is how you eat your foods and uses electricity now easily.

[broken birch]

We still had the basis
And now the Arab Renaissance is now visible and you will see the changes in the coming years

[broken birch]

Fr

[serene birch]

this is biggest investment

[broken birch]

Saudi Arabia have an infinite oil lol

[serene birch]

you should be careful with your words

[broken birch]

Dammam well still active and would still active as the companies said

[serene birch]

this is not allowed they warned you a dozen times.

[broken birch]

Like zamzam well

Huh

[serene birch]

Science develops in line with need.

If there is no problem, there is no development.

[broken birch]

Btw i live their and can you compare the usage if oil between Saudi Arabia and the US

tell me

[serene birch]

Problematic countries need development.

The man lives in the desert sand, you can't expect him to build or invent a 4-wheeled car.

[broken birch]

From the oil in Saudi Arabia They began to rely on themselves in most industries
Even the masks during corona was all saudi made there

[serene birch]

they do not have a very large population and they do not transmit viruses and bacteria to each other, so they get sick less, you cannot expect progress in the field of medicine from them.

[broken birch]

The pipes that they use in medical too

[serene birch]

And Islam is a pure and clean religion. They constantly wash their hands and feets.

That's why they don't get sick.

[broken birch]

While the Europeans rarely take a bath

[serene birch]

They died at black plague, Becuse they are dirty.

[broken birch]

At least decades ago

You haven't seen France a decades ago

It was disgusting fr

[serene birch]

They resorted to science to find cure and get rid of this. It's that simple.

[thorny steeple]

that has nothing to do with Islam.

[serene birch]

I wonder why they invented perfume?

Actually perfume isn't invented by france

[broken birch]

Cuz they was stinky

[broken birch]

Im not kidding

[serene birch]

but true

everybody knows how famous France streets at medieval.

and the history of perfume is actually very old, its invention does not belong to the French. but the whole world knows so.

[broken birch]

Oh

[serene birch]

We ahve come to the end of today's lessons.

[broken birch]

I didn't know that

[serene birch]

I don't know everything, but I know a lot. Be careful when you disccusing with me.

not you buddy @broken birch

[broken birch]

Yes sensi 🙏

[serene birch]

The guy who thinks western people are superior.

most of western people's origin is Asia btw.

[thorny steeple]

@prisma jay
Islam itself encourages scientific advancement and reasoning. your arguments are all irrelevant, it doesn't matter whether the U.S., and Israel are allegedly scientifically advanced, it has nothing to do with Islam and Muslims. the majority of the modern day scientific methods are based on Islamic inventions and contributions, without the Islamic golden age, science wouldn't have been as it is today.

[broken birch]

Lol

[serene birch]

I told to "nobody", not you buddy.

[broken birch]

A lot of the recent discoveries was written in Qur'an loooong ago

[broken birch]

1440 years

[broken birch]

And actually there are still more

Even the result of the war between Palestine and Israel is a major sign for the doomsday

[thorny steeple]

Mr. Nobody is so obsessed with trying to make Islam and Muslims look ret@rd.

these type of people disgust me.

[serene birch]

Whatever you tell someone who has not read a masterpiece of more than 600 pages, they will not understand it and will not believe it.

[thorny steeple]

yes, Islam is light years ahead.

[serene birch]

Many people think that the order sent by the same god came from other gods.

They believe Jesus came from another god, mose from another god, mohammed from another god

No one has been able to explain such a simple thing for years.

[broken birch]

They are all prophets and we believe in them but the difference in islam that we worship allah like how the last prophet told us

[serene birch]

I don't care about prophets, I am focused on God(Allah, Elohim) whatever in your languages. In my language it is "Tanrı"

There is nothing what muhammed said in the quran, there are direct commands of God.

Muhammed is just a messenger like jesus and other prophets.

[broken birch]

Good to know that some of what Mohammad said isn't in Qur'an

[tribal linden]

Yeah, those were the words of God(Allah). Muhammad PBUH was just a messenger of Allah.

[broken birch]

Like how to pray and some of the things you must do as a Muslim

[broken birch]

But at the end what Mohammad said is from allah

[tribal linden]

That was also Wahi

[broken birch]

Yeah

[serene birch]

Yes all of them were human beings and servants like you and me. In Jesus, in moses, in mohammad, they did their duty and left. And one day we will go too...

[tribal linden]

💯

[serene birch]

So no need to fight, humiliate or kill eachother.

work all together and make world a better place.

I don't care you are muslim or jew or christian.

If something is good it is good, if not it is not.

Learn software.

🙂

[tribal linden]

Be developer

[broken birch]

Good to remember that you wouldn't be a Muslim without the well of allah so you are always blessed
Say alhamdulillah everyday

[serene birch]

Yes, if you all want to understand God, become a developer, especially a game developer, which will broaden your horizons.

[serene birch]

Alhamduillah, InshaAllah brother.

God bless you all.

Tanrı hepinizi affetsin.

[broken birch]

Ameen

[tribal linden]

Nope
To understand God, it takes a lot of study man. Lots of Listening and reading.

[thorny steeple]

both Qur'an and Sunnah are from Allah, the prophet doesn't speak of his own whims, refer back to Qur'an chapter 53, verse 3 and 4.
Qur'an is the words of Allah SWT, the Sunnah is more detailed, both practical and verbal teachings by the Prophet (upon him be peace and blessings) of what Allah teaches him, and many times, there are things sent through the Sunnah that are not mentioned in the Qur'an.

[serene birch]

I'm close to God, God love me a lot.

[tribal linden]

Stay religious 💯

[civic reef]

[serene birch]

I pray 5 times per daily like muslim. Sometimes I'm going to church at sundays.

[thorny steeple]

Alhamdulillah for the blessing of Islam.

[serene birch]

Unfortunately, Jews do not let me into the synagogue.

Sometimes I hate them.

because of it.

[thorny steeple]

there are no churches in Islam, do you mean you go to Masjid in Jumaa?

[tribal linden]

I see youre very religious. Do you go to church alone?

[serene birch]

In turkey there are many churches, synagogues and other worship places for others.

[tribal linden]

He said sunday man

[thorny steeple]

I don't understand, what do you do in churches?

[serene birch]

yeah yeah I also gone today Jumaa

[tribal linden]

Do you go to church alone?

[serene birch]

Listen father and pray god. they are reading sometimes for bible.

For example I love Genesys.

very good verse.

[tribal linden]

You are a happy christian. Any special plan for this Christmas?

[serene birch]

I'm multiple religioust.

[broken birch]

💀

[serene birch]

this is why I so close to god.

[tribal linden]

Hmm...So bro is exploring. Great!

[serene birch]

exploring? I already done.

[broken birch]

I don't think that's a way to be close

[tribal linden]

It'll take time man.

[serene birch]

Are you God? Why are you speaking on his behalf 🙂

[broken birch]

Learning about the other religions can be good
But doing like them
Im not sure

[serene birch]

dude I'm 35 yo.

I step in mosquee when i was at 6 yo.

or 5

[broken birch]

Well try to search for it is it halal or not

[thorny steeple]

you can't be Muslim and Christian at the same time, if you follow Islam you're following the message all messengers were sent with.
Allah said in Qur'an "Whoever seeks a way other than Islam,1 it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers." [Qur'an 3:85], there is nothing in Islam called multiple religiousts. present-day bibles are distorted and corrupted, you also can't read them as the original bible.

[tribal linden]

Really! Where were u born man?

[broken birch]

Cuz there is a hadeath but i don't remember it now

[serene birch]

I can be and no one can stop me about it.

[serene birch]

Turkey

[thorny steeple]

well, then that's not Islam. if you're following other religions you're not Muslim.

[serene birch]

it seems like islam is experienced and demonstrated very accurately everywhere. But my believe is problem 😄

[thorny steeple]

May Allah guide you to the righteous path.

[tribal linden]

Hadeath=Hadis, right man?

[serene birch]

I'm already in but thank you for your good wishes.

[broken birch]

Yeah it is but sorry im not too good

In English

[tribal linden]

Yah, Loving holidays forever im on youre team

[tribal linden]

Youre doing great.

[tribal linden]

Btw at what age you started visiting churches?

[thorny steeple]

if you're following Islam you're following all the prophets and messengers sent by Allah, including Jesus, and Moses. I genuinely don't understand what are you following, have you invented a new religion or what?

[broken birch]

If you don't want the heaven then hell is available

[tribal linden]

Right now, we badly want holiday

[broken birch]

Then enjoy your self

[thorny steeple]

have you experienced death?

[broken birch]

He did lol

[tribal linden]

I mean, the concept "Afterlife" is a part of many religion. Right man?

[warped scroll]

Gods of science already discovered it

[broken birch]

[serene birch]

8 billion people have 8 billion different religions

[warped scroll]

I know him Don't take him seriously so much

[thorny steeple]

it is, he's making an extraordinary claim though, he claims there is darkness after death. I'm just challenging his belief.

[broken birch]

Bro took a vlog when he died lol

[thorny steeple]

I see, alright then.

[warped scroll]

Keep push yourself brother You'll be better day by day

[thorny steeple]

it seemed like he's trolling.

[broken birch]

I will

insha'Allah

[tribal linden]

"Afterlife" is not a really new concept. There are religions (i know two: islam and hindu) that try to approach this concept with different perspectives.

[broken birch]

Everything we know about afterlife is what the prophet and Qur'an told us

[warped scroll]

I think so

[tribal linden]

Absolutely 💯

@prisma jay at what age you started visiting the churches man?

I've never been to churches bro

Bro ignored my question

[thorny steeple]

poor robotic animal.

[tribal linden]

Without religion, without worship
lifes robotic 🤖

[thorny steeple]

he's certainly a materialist and a determinist. he's according to evolution and determinism a robotic animal.

what's the difference between you an a chimpanzee? nothing, you're cousins, you're just slightly more intellectually capable according to evolution.

[tribal linden]

The robots that youre talking about are not among the believers. They are known as Mushriq and Munafiq.

[thorny steeple]

leave it bro, he's bigoted.

[tribal linden]

I mean, all the religions can at least agree at this point whic is , God is the one that created all of us and there is a purpose to that. Which is to Worship the God and follow the path that the God provided.

[thorny steeple]

bruh! he's an atheist. 😂