🧠｜serious-chat

[ornate siren]

That's what I just summed up. Another case of humans preferring acceptability over logic. The only other such case I could find was regarding the disagreeable logical truth of inclusive disjunctions. Funny, how the founders of logical analysis, the ancient Greek philosophers, themselves developed this stuff too.

[thorny steeple]

How can they be the driving force of dialectics, if dialectics is about getting to the truth? Surely that's counter-intuitive? While a fallacious argument can get to the truth, it's nonetheless fallacious and thus is certainly not the best way to arrive at the truth, which seems counter to dialectics. Then again, I suppose you could argue that, whether or not they're the best way, they're perhaps successful enough to be a driving force. I feel like we'd need to have a rough idea of how often fallacious arguments lead to the truth in order to inductively argue in favor of fallacious arguments being a driving force of dialectics, but maybe that's me being too picky.

[ornate siren]

A dialectic is just a not-so-serious debate, as far as I know. If it weren't for such fallacies, the arguments would have led to bickering, tiresome regressions and whatnot. These fallacies are the driving forces in that they help conclude a debate, if not reach the possible truth. They sure don't make the best way to do so, but we have to make do with what we have.

[thorny steeple]

„If it weren't for such fallacies, the arguments would have led to bickering, tiresome regressions and whatnot.“ — I'm confident this is a non sequitur. I'm not sure why it's required that not using fallacious arguments would lead to at least bickering.

[peak girder]

I think it just comes back to the fact that we are emotional beings rather than rational and that playing on said emotions can enable one to achieve what he wants (not only in debates but also in public speaking in general)

[thorny steeple]

I think what's more likely to lead to bickering is not being receptive, being dogmatic, debating beliefs so close to your sense of self, not arguing in good faith, and ignoring the principle of charity.

[thorny steeple]

Ah, that sounds reasonable to me.

[formal scaffold]

Hey there welcome herre

[peak girder]

Once more, depends on who is in front of you

[peak girder]

Heyyy

[thorny steeple]

Actually... I have a small issue with it... „we are emotional beings rather than rational“. Can it not be both? Why must it be either or?

We are rational enough to discuss this, yet emotional enough to perhaps draw from emotions when we present our views.

[formal scaffold]

we are more rational about the why, and more emotional about the how I guess

[peak girder]

I lost the name of the research but I have a neuroscientist friend who told me about how they found that within the human brain, when they had subjects choose between 2 choices, the part of the brain responsible for emotions would manifest itself

[viral imp]

Please help me in deciding

which one is better for practice:
Advanced English Grammar with Answers by Hewings (Cambridge)
vs
OXFORD PRACTICE GRAMMAR ADVANCED WITH KEY

[peak girder]

And basically the whole research was about finding what goes on inside us when we try to be "rational". Turns out, our emotions are very powerfull

[thorny steeple]

Regardless of which one is better, I would not be surprised to find them both greatly helpful in improving your grammar.

[thorny steeple]

That's interesting. So, even when we're being so-called rational, we're still highly emotional?

[peak girder]

Yup

[thorny steeple]

Is there actually enough evidence to corroborate this? I'm inclined to think a single small scale experiment might not be enough to reach a solid conclusion, but I'm not easily convinced of things. Lol

[civic reef]

my god, corroborate

humans say this

[thorny steeple]

Yeah. Sometimes.

[peak girder]

I would have to find that research again (sorry i cant bring more i m in the transports)

[viral imp]

ok, but I can only attempt one.

[peak girder]

Yes

[civic reef]

so like, give evidence i suppose, to corroborate, maybe to confirm

[peak girder]

Indeed

[thorny steeple]

No worries! It sounds interesting. I'm ceeeertainly no neuroscientist. Lol I'm just looking in from the outside — sceptical, as usual.

[viral imp]

anyone who read : Advanced English Grammar with Answers by Hewings (Cambridge)

[formal scaffold]

what we consider is right can be based on emotions like beliefs in general

[peak girder]

Me neither but I found that this research was particularly interesting to understand the way we work and how we are affected by our emotions

[peak girder]

That's true

[viral imp]

which research? What was the main insight?

[peak girder]

This one

They wanted to know which part of your brain is involved in a simple choice decision and why

[viral imp]

Emotion is source for rational according to Descarte Error

[thorny steeple]

Wow. I guess we need emotion to compel us to what „feels“ right, but our rational mind tells us what is or is more likely to be right (e.g., deductive/inductive reasoning).

[civic reef]

Thats not gonna be scientific or serious, but i myself find a correlation between people who can control their emotions and self-esteem, like, they can for example not get guided by their ego, not react because their ego was harmed, not react to humiliation, to anything, and people like that can be found in monasteries, like, literal monks, in buddhism or chrystianity, hinduizm too, they learn to ignore the ego and emotions and therefore they become peaceful and kinda hard to somehow annoy

[peak girder]

Yup

[viral imp]

it must be different for different decisions

[peak girder]

That's true

[peak girder]

They used some sort of choose between this or that

But again, I would need to find that paper again

[thorny steeple]

I'd be interested in what sort of people they picked for the experiment.

[peak girder]

Yeahh

[proud kiln]

I watch a lot of neuroscience/psychology podcasts and stuff. Im not sure about the specific one you mention but I think Andrew Huberman has a podcast video on his channel that talks about that. We are emotion led because emotions are naturally always happening within us.

[peak girder]

Woaaa, Thank you !

[thorny steeple]

I'd assume they'd need a group of particularly rational or logical people, and presumably a group of those who aren't. Not sure what the control group would be... randomly selected people from all walks of life?

[viral imp]

i don't fully understand need for dividing decision as emotional decision or rational decision

[proud kiln]

Something like that, Im half asleep but saw this conversation and it caught my eye haha. Had to come see what it was about. I'll probably be able to remember more once I've had some sleep/ discuss this better

[ornate siren]

Agreed

But both of our rational and emotion sides should go hand-in-hand.

[thorny steeple]

I can think of when it's important. Scientists probably should focus on being rational. A mother caring for her child might wish to follow her instincts or emotions more often (just guessing). In a court of law, both may be considered, but I imagine it primarily comes down to the facts, as they are determined. When driving, we surely have to set emotion aside, in order to rationally decide the next course of action.

[viral imp]

I guess it's more of Data-Driven Decision Making vs Instinct Based Decision making.

[thorny steeple]

I think it depends on the situation, but I do see the importance of distinguishing between the two. If I'm discussing a sensitive topic with someone, I try to avoid speaking from a place of emotion, where sensible. I focus on being as rational and logical as I can be. I don't want emotions clouding my judgement. This is the mindset I try to have when dealing with difficult interactions. If I couldn't distinguish, I would be at a significant disadvantage.

Then again, it's the emotional drive I have to be compassionate and empathetic that allows me to try to set negative or judgmental feelings aside. Interesting, I hadn't considered that.

[ornate siren]

Let me give an example.
A: "I know that this form of grammar is correct because it's been used by native Englishmen over many centuries. It maybe obsolete now, but it's correct nonetheless. I've studied more English than you, and you may find such forms in use if you read Renaissance literature."
B (provided they are a rational being): runs off to study more " after some time Okay, I see that you are right. I would argue with you on that anymore."
A has put the appeals to the populace and to authority to good use in concluding the debate. If they hadn't, A and B would have pointed at each other's weaknesses, B preferably refusing to trust A because they have argued illogically. This almost certainly would have led to regression and/or bickering. In such a scenario,
B: "How do you know that this is true? Appealing to one's authority is vague and undesirable during debates!''
A and B might as well have started a new debate on this red herring, on objective and subjective truth.

But it isn't necessary that ONLY non-fallacious arguments could lead to this stuff.

[thorny steeple]

The way you worded your message earlier, I took to mean that this was a blanket statement; that it necessarily results in bickering and suck like. However, if that's not the case, then fair enough.

Language inherently goes by what is prevalent and we're taught the language by authority figures, such as teachers and our parents.

The discussion in the example necessarily becomes fallacious, basically.

[ornate siren]

Cases where it doesn't lead to at least some regression are pretty rare compared to those where it does, but sure.

[thorny steeple]

Do you mean regression in the sense of less understanding in a discussion between two or more people?

[ornate siren]

Recursivity and the like, but graver. Can result from less understanding nevertheless.

[thorny steeple]

I'll have to just take your statement as-is, as I don't quite follow what you mean there, and I'm making a sandwich. Lol Almost set the place ablaze with the grill. 😛

Back later.

[ornate siren]

You can also search stuff up.

[craggy sphinx]

why?

hello

[craggy sphinx]

I don't think emotions can guarantee the correctness of anything

@thorny steeple and by the way, how did you put on your hat?

pfp

[thorny steeple]

I'm back now. I could search stuff up, but that doesn't help me understand your point any better. It's OK, though. I'm happy to just move on, so as to not belabor the discussion. I will probably look up emotions vs rationality at some point though. I've been meaning to look into the connection between mind and body as well.

[thorny steeple]

Someone did that for me. 🙂

[craggy sphinx]

SHATA

yes?

[timber token]

Modern art: Only $110 million take it or leave it

we only accept cash

[hot bison]

Or leave it option sounds more reasonable.

[violet peak]

huh duh

[thorny steeple]

What is relation between lucifer (latin name of morningstar) and devil of bible? why bible is using this noun to describe devil? can christians explain this?

[deep loom]

Idk much but as far as i know, Lucifer/morning star... He/it is one of the highest hierarchical angels who used to serve the Lord Almighty.

But later he/it chose to unfollow God or stay under God's authority (he rebelled against God's authority)

And thus he became Satan (the fallen angel.)

[deep loom]

There are many devils/evil spirits/ demons according to the bible but Satan is like the head of them.

Lucifer became Satan, when he wanted to be placed above God/deny God's authority over him.

[thorny steeple]

ok ı suppose ı got, lucıfer was name of mornıng star ın latıne before chrıstıanty and chrıstıanıty took thıs word to describe satan before he rebel against god

[deep loom]

I don't know that.

I think the name "Lucifer" was also mentioned in Torah. (old testament)

[thorny steeple]

ok ı got thank you very much

[deep loom]

Okay you're right.
Lucifer is equivalent to the Hebrew name helel it seems.

Latinised name of helel.

[deep loom]

Anytime!

And btw are you a muslim?

[thorny steeple]

ı am comıng from muslım majorty country but ı am an atheıst

[deep loom]

Oh okay, that's cool.

[deep loom]

Have you ever read Qur'an before?

[craggy sphinx]

hello
I do

[deep loom]

That's awesome.

I have a question actually

[craggy sphinx]

I am also filled with questions

[deep loom]

I'm planning to read Qur'an. ( Probably after few months) and my question is, do I have to read it in a chronological order or read it normally like how most muslims do?

[deep loom]

That's good actually.
I wish I were too.

[craggy sphinx]

What does it mean to read normally like all Muslims?

[craggy sphinx]

I noticed that the Quran is unique in that all the suras and verses are connected. each subsequent one reveals the meaning of the previous one

I also advise you to ask this young man - @thorny steeple

[deep loom]

I've learnt from a muslim that Qur'an is best understood if read in a chronological order.

I have no idea about the Qur'an, whether all the books in it are placed chronologically or not.

For example in a typical Bible, books aren't placed chronologically. (I bought a different Bible which has all the books placed chronologically according to the timeline of events, so that way I can get a better idea)

[deep loom]

Oh I didn't know that and it's interesting to know that.
Thank you so much.

[deep loom]

Okay sure, I'll ask him.

[craggy sphinx]

perhaps, but I'm not sure that if you read the entire Quran, it will give you a complete understanding of this religion

there are other collections besides the Quran, for example, hadiths, and the history of the prophets

[thorny steeple]

Assalamu Alikum guys!

(peace be upon you)

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[thorny steeple]

I'm here.

[thorny steeple]

Qur'an is not "books", it's a revelation which is written in one book.

the correct order of which you read the Qur'an is from Surah Alfatiha (chapter 1) to Surah Alnas (chapter 114).

but there is no right or wrong about it though.

[deep loom]

Yes true after Qur'an if possible, I'll read hadiths. I don't know if they're as easily available as the Qur'an.

[thorny steeple]

it's better to read it in the order its written in the Mushaf (the Qur'an as a book), but you still could read it in any other order, no problem in that.

[craggy sphinx]

you can turn to Qur'anic experts if you find it difficult to understand something. Perhaps they can explain it clearly.

[deep loom]

Yeah that's right.

By books I mean, like chapters?

Okay so are all those chapters placed in a chronological order already?

[thorny steeple]

Yes I did but I am going to read once again

[craggy sphinx]

those who understand this well

[warped scroll]

You can read the Quran however you want bc all surahs has their story I highly recommend you read 1 surah and search why it was sent , background etc. You get the point imo

[deep loom]

One minute, I'll share a website, please tell me if it's a good source to understand Qur'an.

[deep loom]

Okay, that sounds good.
I'll try that when I didn't understand something in it.

[deep loom]

https://quran.com/en

[deep loom]

Sure.

[thorny steeple]

@deep loom
yes, Qur'an is the word of Allah, meaning that it's the exact saying of Allah himself.
Hadith is the revelation but conveyed in more practical way through the prophet Muhammad upon him be peace and blessings, so Hadith gives you more details about Islam as well as practicality.

[thorny steeple]

yes, I consider this website a good source for reading the Qur'an online.

[deep loom]

Oh okay, thanks.
In Depth reading.
If I can afford it, I'll try that way.

[thorny steeple]

noteworthy, there are still other translations of the Qur'an that have good accuracy such as "The Clear Qur'an" by Mustafa Khattab.

[deep loom]

How many hadiths should I read?

[deep loom]

Awesome.

[thorny steeple]

I usually recommend to anyone who wants to read the Qur'an and learn from it to read multiple translations.

And we must add this, there are sights that refuse all hadiths and consider that hadiths can not be source to understand religion

'cause, at the end of the day, there is no single translation that resembles the eloquence of the Qur'an exactly as it is in the language it was revealed in, which is Arabic.

[deep loom]

I just wanna read to have a basic idea actually.

Not strictly for religious purposes.

I'm a Christian, I'm trying to read Bible, once I did that, i wanna do the Qur'an and compare and learn the truths if possible.

[thorny steeple]

have you read the whole bible?

[deep loom]

Yes I've heard that too.
But I can't learn Arabic now and read Qur'an.
But yeah it's good if one can do that.

[thorny steeple]

you don't have to learn Arabic, just read the translations, InshaAllah it will be sufficient.

[deep loom]

Not really.
On the way.

I completed new testament and major chunks of old testament but there's still a long way to go.

I'm just reading it like a paper, no indepth reading.

[warped scroll]

Anytime dude
You can find any of them free on internet If you wanna be sure Search on it multiple sites Imo you can find them easily

[formal scaffold]

I think you should read it as it is, then if you get confused about something look up the context, to whome it was targeted, and if anything came after it to change it

that would be much easier ig

[deep loom]

Hopefully, thank you.

[deep loom]

That's really awesome.
Will surely do that.

[thorny steeple]

no, that's 'cause the Quran was revealed all at once in month (Ramadan) and then was revealed again intermittently throughout the life of the prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him.

[deep loom]

Alright.
I'll be mindful of that, thank you.

[formal scaffold]

just not that quran is still not deciphred totally, a lot of things are actually either not comprehended fully or comprehended in a wrong manner

just enjoy the ride

[formal scaffold]

would you recomend any kind of book to me? any kind of book has marked you before?

[deep loom]

Oh wow okay, I got it now.
Thanks

[thorny steeple]

have a look at John 17:3, I strongly believe it disproves the whole idea about the trinity.

[deep loom]

Yeah understood.

[deep loom]

Sorry but I only read fiction, is that okay? And my taste sucks tho.

[formal scaffold]

your taste doesn't suck, maybe not common, it sucks to those who don't share the same taste ig

any fiction is also welcome

[warped scroll]

Also Trinity didnt exist 300 ago maybe more I wish people are allowed to read Barnabas bible

[deep loom]

Oh no! I mean yes, there are many verses a muslim friend showed me to point out the contradictions in the Bible.

But still i believe in it anyway. Yikes.

[thorny steeple]

yes, I know about Unitarianism, I've heard about it, but some Christians told me that the trinity is a man-made model that kinda just aims to cope with the contradictions and the conflicting verses in the bible.

[deep loom]

Aww thank you so much for saying that.

Gone with the wind and Jane Eyre, my forever topmost favourite books.

You could also try "And then there were none."

"Wuthering heights."

"Secret Garden."

I also liked hunger games series (I read it like two times)

Okay they are already too many to suggest. Lol

[thorny steeple]

alright then, May Allah guide you to Islam eventually, to the truth.

[deep loom]

What? Just 300 years ago?
That's very unlikely

[deep loom]

Omg! I dont know about that.
But whatever is God's will let it happen.

[thorny steeple]

I actually was initially dropping in to post this video:
https://youtu.be/LGjHVuCEgbE?si=-26nxorrDwnhOivM

the Muslim lantern isa very good channel, and the Muslim brother who owns it is very intelligent and well-educated.

[warped scroll]

Bibles have full of contradictions The solution is to stop read new Bibles and make copies Barnabas Bible which is the truest Bible people can ever read

[thorny steeple]

@deep loom
I advise you to have a brief browse of this channel, I'm sure you'll find so many interesting videos about Christianity and Islam in comparison.

[deep loom]

Thank you so much.
I'll definitely be checking out those videos.

Btw, Is Satan and dajjal same according to the Islam? Or entirely different?

[thorny steeple]

entirely different.

Satan is the devil, Dajjal is called in Arabic the false Messiah, he'll claim that he's God through deception and lies, and will eventually be killed by the true Messiah, Jesus, peace be upon him.

[warped scroll]

I'm not sure the exact date but check this out and @thorny steeple
https://youtu.be/l9bO6X8ULxA

[deep loom]

Okay, alright. I kinda remembered it now.
Thanks.

[deep loom]

Okay, thank you.

[plush veldt]

Hehe

How are you guys

And what is timer🙂

[shell lily]

@obsidian shore

[obsidian shore]

?

[shell lily]

where u from

[obsidian shore]

Well I live in America but my family are bedouins and german farmers 🤷‍♂️

[shell lily]

and u have a culture of killing ppl?

[obsidian shore]

bedouins do but it wasnt the culture of killing it was more of fighting and or raiding

[shell lily]

but u said arabs have the culture of killing ppl!

[vale ledge]

Everyone have a culture of killing people

[obsidian shore]

the crusades ? Each caliphate ? Everyone kills someone and they say it is in the name of something, but in the end it just all ends up being because of desire

[shell lily]

bro do u truly know what ur saying? like fr?

[obsidian shore]

Who knows, do you though ?

[shell lily]

u r talking nonsense
if ur family has a culture of killing ppl doesnt mean that arabs have that
if someone killed someone it doesnt mean that the race of that someone has the culture of killing ppl

[obsidian shore]

Its a tradition among bedouins. I didnt say killing people, you did. Well it was prior to islam.

[shell lily]

but the way u said in the general chat was totally different! do u realize that?

[obsidian shore]

No, Im to tired

[elfin dawn]

@shell lily are you a Indian

[odd musk]

arab habibi wallahi allah akbar

[odd musk]

i think every specific group of ppl in the world has committed murders, but why ppl think arabs or Muslims are terrorists that they didn't do that secretly, like Israel was the reason that of more than 20 massacres in Palestine but usa could hide that shit, but when hamas commit something like that the whole world hear about it and say like hell yeah hamas are terrorists and hell yeah they are arabs or Muslims so nothing new, im not talking about who's land or who started or something like that im talkin about specific idea why the whole world think we are terrorists

and more things just as 9/11 a big fuckin agenda bro usama bin landen was dead at the first place LMAO a lot of Americans and European know that already, so when usa used that ticket to iraq and committed massacres there and A WAR no one was like oh ma gah usa is a bad country we must stop them

CUZ THEY ALWAYS HIDE THEIR SHIT

usa and israel are the reason for what you call "terrorists Muslims" cuz we are normally trying to defend ourselves from that, when a group of ppl tried to fight back in iraq they call them isis even it was A FUCKIN WAR like what the fuck?

that's it

[neat granite]

Feels too complex; this involves matters related to the country, politics, and personal beliefs

[pallid surge]

you can still simplify it; media and intellectuals are in their bubble, they are pretty closed to certain things and have their own self-interests as well.

I think most Americans accept that the invasion of Iraq was unjustified and was caused due to special interests; any demographic that's oppressed will have radicals who will commit war crimes and whatnot; which creates more fear and division.

[pallid surge]

Powerful men will exploit the fear and unfamiliarity with the other side for their own self-interests. The only way you can prevent that is if the masses are more self-aware, open to hearing the other side.

Which is likely never going to happen, often times we are going to consumed by hate and fear, and refuse to hear any opposing side; everyone is guilty of this, even me. We can't help it.

During 9/11 the climate was you were not allowed to question anything, during covid the same, and during this conflict there is a similar attitude at least in the political landscape; a lot of candidates refuse to entertain any questions and would rather sign a blank check of guarantee for Israel to do anything.

However, due to social media you can clearly see people discussing and arguing virtually everything as you end up seeing the other sides and people are protected by their anonymity.

Views are no longer centralized by region, before most nations and cultures would have a "mainstream belief" or it was slightly split all based on what the media was pushing; now you have multiple views which is more radical due to the algorithm of social media. It's designed to feed you the same thing you consume, negative or positive. Just a feedback loop, for better or worse this is the case now

[thorny steeple]

İs there any ecologist? ı want to ask somethıng ı am lıvıng ın ıstanbul and ı am wonderın that can crocodıles lıve ın strait of ıstanbul?

[static hare]

deos anyone wanna start a topic about why athletic buidlding is better than bodybuiilding

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[fathom stirrup]

hey is anyone here in AP Lang?

if so is someone available to review my AP Lang RAE (Rhetorical Analysis Essay) about the Gettysburg Address

may be a good idea to ask someone with a bit more experiance yknow?

(P.S Please dm if anyone is interested in helping me)

[karmic panther]

Lots of fuck calm bro

[thorny steeple]

Fr

[tardy flame]

i'm new to discord sorry

[craggy sphinx]

I agree

[tardy flame]

do you really believe in satan

[craggy sphinx]

It's called demagogy

[tardy flame]

or just reject religion

[odd musk]

that's exactly what the chat is for

[tardy flame]

i don't get the point of satanism

[craggy sphinx]

People who are not involved in politics, lack the time & details to come to a proper conclusion.

The news and media is supposed to present a fair and unbiased view of the world

Politicians are supposed to explain themselves and their actions.

[craggy sphinx]

If the news works good and gives unbiased information, and if politicians explain themselves, instead of just promises of improvement, then a democracy can work.

If it doesn't, then people can be manipulated by the news and the politicians. The politicians will remain in power and control the people unconsciously, by use of fear, hope and division.

[tardy flame]

so why to bother bieng hated for that specific name i mean everyone for example must have rational thinking

i mean Satan is genuinely evil.

yes that's why i'm asking why to bother and have this hostile naming

i think if it isnot evil then it is just a name

you are completely free of course

i think i have to read more about it then

because i don't seem to get it

👍

what is your level in english

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[craggy sphinx]

I like how you switched from the topic of Satan to English

[tardy flame]

in reading c2 in listening c1 but in speaking it's ony a2

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[thorny steeple]

how uuu doinn?

[tardy flame]

what about that

[craggy sphinx]

I'm great, u?

[thorny steeple]

Good, ty

[tardy flame]

that is what i'm working on

[craggy sphinx]

are you satan?

[thorny steeple]

Totally, I agree with you

[tardy flame]

no not at all

actually a muslim

[craggy sphinx]

why not satan?

[tardy flame]

thank you

[thorny steeple]

👍

[tardy flame]

i'm convinced by Islam

[craggy sphinx]

np

[hasty oxide]

Salamu alaykum

[tardy flame]

يا اخي حيرتين ارد عربي و لا انجليزي 😅 و عليكم السلام

[hasty oxide]

Can't you write Arabic with these alphabets ? 😂

[tardy flame]

actually yes

i find it difficult plus there is no point in writing arabic in latin alphabet

[hasty oxide]

Yep

[plush veldt]

Hmmm

[thorny steeple]

what are muslims considering about reliability of hadiths?

[tardy flame]

some hadiths are authentic and others are not and if a hadith is authentic then muslims are sure that it was really said by the prophet and if it is said by the prophet then it is a revelation from god

[hasty oxide]

Most of Muslims believe that there are two books of Hadith with 100% facts

[tardy flame]

in some sense it is equal to quran

[hasty oxide]

Muslim and boukhari book

[hasty oxide]

But me I don't think so

I'm Muslim by the way

[formal scaffold]

it's relative, can be wrong can be correct

[tardy flame]

ممكن حديث ينسخ القران عادي

طول ما صحيح

[hasty oxide]

I don't believe in that

[tardy flame]

where are you from

[hasty oxide]

Algeria

[tardy flame]

maybe you don't but it's a plain fact for the majority of muslims

[hasty oxide]

Do you read the two books?

[tardy flame]

if a hadith and a verse are stating facts for example and the hadith is contradicting the quran then yes muslims will accept the quran and reject that hadiths and call it ضعيف

[tardy flame]

no

[hasty oxide]

There are authentic hadiths opposite with Quran

[tardy flame]

but if an authentic hadith is stating a law for example and that law is not mentioned in the quran then it well be accepted by all sunni muslims

[formal scaffold]

it doesn't have to contradict quran to be called ضعيف the sources, the chain of transmission has to be weak, the people who transmit it has to have certain criteria

[tardy flame]

ofcourse i know that

[tardy flame]

we are talking now about authentic hadiths

[formal scaffold]

I'm talking about the same thing seems like you didn't get me

[hasty oxide]

I believe that there are only about 300 authentic hadiths, what we called متواترة

And even Muslim and boukhari books contain weak hadiths

[formal scaffold]

أن يكون الرواة يتّصفون بتمام الضبط لما يرون. أن يتّصل السند كاملاً دون انقطاعٍ من أوّله إلى منتهاه، بحيث يكون كلّ راوٍ قد سمع الحديث ممّن فوقه في السند. أن يكون سند الحديث سالماً من الشذوذ وكذلك متنه؛ فلا يكون الحديث صحيحاً إذا خالف الراوي الثقة من هو أوثق

[tardy flame]

a was about to say that

[hasty oxide]

Is this the meaning of تواتر ؟

[tardy flame]

no

[formal scaffold]

literally it means frequency

[tardy flame]

a تواتر is a logical obligation to accept a saying

[tardy flame]

not at all actually

[formal scaffold]

not contextually

[tardy flame]

authentic hadiths in islam can be logically lieing

but we trust that they are devoted muslims who won't commit such a sin

[formal scaffold]

you trust someone you never met?

you don't base your relegion on one person that's the thing with متواتر

[tardy flame]

i am just listing facts agreed on by most muslims scholars

[formal scaffold]

if I ask 10 people about it and they all have the same answer it'll be easier to believe them since it's hard for them to agree on one story about one hadith

[tardy flame]

and it's neerly impossible to prove it

[tardy flame]

the vast majority of hadiths has at least one layer of transmitters cantaining only one

so it is not تواتر

[formal scaffold]

I'm not talking about layers there

10 people from the same era

[tardy flame]

كان زمانك بحثت عن معني كلمة تواتر بالانجلزي يا اخي 😅

[tardy flame]

i agree with you

[formal scaffold]

يا أخي عرفتا لغويا ومصطلحا ايش تريد؟

قلت لغويا قلت خطأ

[tardy flame]

و لا حاجة واحد سال عن الاحاديث قلت اللي اغرفه

مش بتريق انا قصدي اني بغير اللغة كل شوية

[formal scaffold]

when he asked me about the word meaning he mentioned it by itself not in a phrase thus why I said it means frequency literally

[tardy flame]

what do you mean

[formal scaffold]

nothing carry on 🙂

[hasty oxide]

So most authentic Hadiths are not متواترة

[tardy flame]

no

[tardy flame]

no it means cosecutiveness

[tardy flame]

https://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-en/تواتر/

look here

the islamic meaning

[formal scaffold]

that's why I said literally

لغويا

[tardy flame]

consecutiveness and frequency are completely two differnt words

it is ok man you made a mistake

and i didn't know it untill i searched

[thorny steeple]

according to muslıms, can a ordınary human be completely sinless with own afford?

[tardy flame]

i don't think so and it's not really important because even if he is he can't prove that it's his own business

[thorny steeple]

what did you mean

[tardy flame]

i don't think it is possible every human will make a sin every now and then

[craggy sphinx]

arabic

[thorny steeple]

Propthets?

[tardy flame]

yes but they are an exception

you said ordinary

[umbral escarp]

Not every human makes a sin

Like there some people who just exist

[tardy flame]

every ordinary human do make a sin

[umbral escarp]

Whats not ordinary for you

[tardy flame]

a prophet is not ordinary

[umbral escarp]

I dont believe in this

[tardy flame]

you are free to do so

[umbral escarp]

Thanks

But people are free to believe or dont if it went to strict or extreme

[tardy flame]

in what way

in islam of course it isn't

or they aren't free

but in society this is a personal choice

[umbral escarp]

If you start to abuse people or kill for you Religion its to much

[thorny steeple]

Then, are they prophet thanks to they are sinless or are they sinless thanks to they are prophet?

[tardy flame]

as i said it's their personal choice every citizen must have equal rights

[umbral escarp]

Yes

[tardy flame]

it is reallly complicated i can't talk about that without talking about free will in general and it well be a long and difficult conversation for my poor english

but in general they are sinless because they are prophets not the other way around

[umbral escarp]

Yes i always think my english is to bad

[tardy flame]

it will need too much practice actually and a strong will also the way of improving depends on your current level in English

i think what is best for me right now is to read books to enrich my vocabulary and practice speaking english

[thorny steeple]

I suppose İslam is recognizing free will?

[tardy flame]

not really

[umbral escarp]

Yes i got a better Level after i started reading english books

[tardy flame]

not all muslim agree on that

[tardy flame]

all of them agree on your responsibility for your actions

[thorny steeple]

İs there anybody who can answer this question?

[tardy flame]

yes it is really difficult and i don't think i will make any noticable progress unless i read 10 books for example

[craggy sphinx]

I don't think there is logic in religions

[tardy flame]

where are you from

[jolly agate]

you cant prove religion with brain, you have to leap it to fate

[jolly agate]

prophets are considered sinless due to their close connection with the divinity and their adherence to divine guidance.

[thorny steeple]

yes ı got but which of them is first? being prophet or beign sinless?

[jolly agate]

The idea is that thiet purity and righteousness result from their role as messengers of God rather than the other way around.

[jolly agate]

being sinless is a prerequisite for being chosen as a prophet.

[jolly agate]

Theological viewpoints may differ

[thorny steeple]

but other muslıms have said that nobody can be sinless? as I understanf from things that you said, prophets are sinless humans before choosing as a prophet?

[jolly agate]

That's the general concept for being a prophet

[jolly agate]

perspectives on sinlessness may differ among Muslims, there are alternative viewpoints that assert the impossibility of complete sinlessness for any human. The complete understanding of this concept is sophisticated that it can interpeted in various way, within the diverse religion of islam.

[sonic terrace]

You can actually

That's the beauty of Islam. Where the Qur'an can show you how it's not written by a human

Among these miracles found in the Quran are "everything, from relativity, quantum mechanics, Big Bang theory, black holes and pulsars, genetics, embryology, modern geology, thermodynamics, even the laser and hydrogen fuel cells".

this channel is not for this kind of words , go elsewhere

U got a brain or smth?

Chill bri we ain't fighting here, sorry for saying that

Did the prophet Muhammad (Allah's prayers and peace be upon him) know biology 1400 years ago?
In The Qur'an, you can clearly see how it explains the stages of the creation of a human inside of the womb

Embryology
In the 7th Century, like most branches of medicine, embryology was in its infancy.

The most advanced embryological knowledge of the day belonged to the Greek Doctor Galen, who held incorrect notions about the origin of semen and the development of the embryo. In contrast, the Quranic account is more accurate and verified by our modern observations.

Prove what exactly?

[sonic terrace]

“Verily, We created man from an extract of clay; Then We placed him as a drop of sperm in a safe depository. Then we fashioned the sperm into a clot; then We fashioned the clot into a shapeless lump; then We fashioned bones out of this shapeless lump; then We clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed it into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.”

Holy Qur’an, 23:13-15

The Arabic used in this verse accurately depicts the detail and sequence of how we develop in the womb. The Quran describes how the conceptus is produced from a mixture of elements, how the early embryo clings onto the uterine wall, how it then develops into a differentially formed lump, before developing bony structures clothed with flesh. Finally, it describes the birth of the soul within the physical framework of the body.

Nobody knew that 1400 years ago obviously, they didn't have that technology that time

Prove what part, be specific brother

[river crypt]

Radhe Radhe

[sonic terrace]

How could they see the forming stages of the embryo?
1400 years ago people were riding camels and horses
And specifically, the prophet Muhammad (Allah's prayers and peace be upon him) lived in Mecca (A desert) , and he wasn't a scientist
But in common sense bro , how can they have such technologies back then!?
Embryology came in the 7th century, and it was in its infancy

Were they driving wagons and trains 1400 years ago?!
You know what, forget about that part if you don't even believe they were riding camels and horses
Focus on where i told you about the history of embryology, it was in its infancy in the 7th century

Well you can't find vehicles 1400 years old in saudi arabia for sure

[formal scaffold]

have you seen a camel before?

[sonic terrace]

Anyways, if you're not convinced with this , remember it's one example out of many

[elfin dawn]

good night. what’s the time on your location?

[formal scaffold]

yr not obliged to justify yr belief

[elfin dawn]

Same time

[formal scaffold]

it's uncool in Turkey to be muslim it's enough reason to be non muslim ig

[sonic terrace]

Bro if we don't have proof that the religion is right then why would we follow it?
It's about not following things blindly

Chill, and it's my duty to discuss this man

[formal scaffold]

test of faith and test of morality and descipline

aside from that ما على الرسول إلى البلاغ

إنكك لن تهدي من أحببت

[sonic terrace]

Can you find any 1400 years old ancient papers showing anything about embryology? We would've known

There are still many many miracles my brother

[civic reef]

I follow certain things blindly, because I need this to deal with my problems better. If I tell myself there is some great meaning and purpose, I am more hopeful, and I work better

[sonic terrace]

So basically you don't believe anything said in history?

Well that's a different argument bro lol

lol
Anyways , in common sense , we can't find a 1400 years old technology or study like that
If there was anything like that , the enemies of Islam would show it to the whole world just to try and prove Islam is false

Doesn't it make sense?

In fact, there are many other things that are being discovered by scientists even nowadays

The Expansion Of The Universe
Einstein’s equations tell us that the universe is expanding. This discovery surprised everyone.

For decades thereafter, scientists thought the universe exploded out of the Big Bang, and has been slowing down ever since. But they were wrong. The universe’s expansion has recently been speeding up. This mysterious re-expansion is driven by what we call dark energy. About 5 billion years ago, this mysterious anti-gravity began pushing the universe outwards once more.

The holy Qur'an describes this perfectly:

And We have built the heaven with might and We continue to expand it indeed.

Holy Quran 51:48

And there's another verse talking about it too

Let me translate it

[sonic terrace]

The Qur'an says that "the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30)

that's overthinking xD

[sonic terrace]

In this verse , you can clearly see how it's describing what we call 'The big bang'

Bro it's what modern physics say
The Qur'an described it 1400 years ago

Well it is possible too that you're a programmed robot, but I can't prove it

[sonic terrace]

Can't you see how Qur'an is way ahead of scince?

I can give more examples if you want

[mental urchin]

@sonic terrace Why you support Palestine?

[sonic terrace]

Two major scientific discoveries provide strong support for the Big Bang theory: • Hubble's discovery in the 1920s of a relationship between a galaxy's distance from Earth and its speed; and • the discovery in the 1960s of cosmic microwave background radiation.

[formal scaffold]

who's jeff bezos?

[mental urchin]

American Oligarch

[formal scaffold]

are you sure he's american?

got prooves? show me his ID

[mental urchin]

He work on Amazon

[formal scaffold]

are you sure this bald man owns that name?

[formal scaffold]

Proof?

see that what your doing right now

[sonic terrace]

Three key pieces of observational evidence lend support to the Big Bang theory: the measured abundances of elements, the observed expansion of space, and the discovery of the cosmic microwave background (CMB)

It's simple Google using bro xD

[formal scaffold]

you think those were answers?

[sonic terrace]

You can read more scientific proof details online, it's not that complex lol

[formal scaffold]

those were yr speculations, I didn't see any proof of the entity you spoke of

I never met the guy therefor he doesn't exist

that yr whole ideology isn't it?

[sonic terrace]

Let's discuss that later, I'm talking with Jad rn

[formal scaffold]

or do you use it when it's convient?

[mental urchin]

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jeff-Bezos

[sonic terrace]

U mean me?

[formal scaffold]

I never met the guy therefor he doesn't exist

I mentioned that before

bring me besos and 2 mil dollars cash then and maybe then maybe i'll believe he exist

according to jad way of thinking ofc

[sonic terrace]

Bro chill

Just Google 'how to prove the big bang theory'

[mental urchin]

Britannica.com is fact checked by chosen experts.

[formal scaffold]

you believe in britanica and experts

[formal scaffold]

I set conditions fulfill them then i'll believe in him it's as simple as that #jadisme

[sonic terrace]

Three main pieces of evidence for the Big Bang theory are the red-shift of light, cosmic background radiation and types of elements

https://study.com/academy/lesson/evidence-for-the-big-bang-theory-background-radiation-red-shift-and-expansion.html

With that proof being understood, we realize that the Qur'an is way ahead of science.

There's even more in the Qur'an
If i wanted to talk about all of it i won't finsih until two months probably lol

[mental urchin]

Britinicca have ties with the OED and and UK & US government it's the higest institution that provide accurate encyclopedia.

[sonic terrace]

As you want

U there Jad?

[mental urchin]

You have no right to dismiss those institutions because in the first place you are not Brittish or American.

[mental urchin]

You are just anti-intellectual and anti-establishment.

[formal scaffold]

you are diego, and diego didn't read what I wrote carefully

diego missed the whole premiss of what i was saying

bc diego wants to win an argument

[formal scaffold]

Bravo Diego you won this argument but you lost the context

[sonic terrace]

i just gave you how they proved it

[sonic terrace]

That

red-shift of light, cosmic background radiation and types of elements

Basically, the universe is constantly expanding

Which proves it right

The universe is constantly expanding

Did you see the site?

Scientists know the universe is expanding because of redshift, the stretching of light's wavelength towards the redder end of the spectrum as the object emitting it moves away from us. Distant galaxies have a higher redshift than those nearer to us, suggesting those galaxies are moving ever further from Earth

For additional info:
in 1929, Edwin Hubble provided the first observational evidence for the universe having a finite age. Using the largest telescope of the time, he discovered that the more distant a galaxy is from us, the faster it appears to be receding into space. This means that the universe is expanding uniformly in all directions.

Here you go

Bro there's Google

It's simple, Google it

It's all scientific testing, and results

It's like asking me to go and test some stuff cuz you can't believe a word I'm saying

[thorny steeple]

as I said before, the IDF and the whole Israeli government are terrorist groups:
https://youtube.com/shorts/6FdKuo9jkzE?si=6GjotTOdoI06lXbI

if someone argues otherwise, this should shut them up.

no missiles or bombing, they were executed individually.

[sonic terrace]

Zionests are animals

Bro just look up 'red shifts'

Bro what

[mental urchin]

Not all countries recognize that.

[thorny steeple]

that's the irony of it. they are using psychological projection, calling the Palestinians human animals.
psychological projection is when someone labels you with something they suffer from.

[sonic terrace]

The Doppler red-shift of light observed from distant stars and galaxies gives evidence that the universe is expanding (moving away from a central point). This allows for Big Bang Theory, because after a “bang” occurs all of the matter moves away from the point of origin

The spectrum of light that comes from a source (see idealized spectrum illustration top-right) can be measured. To determine the redshift, one searches for features in the spectrum such as absorption lines, emission lines, or other variations in light intensity

Bro are you fr?

How old are you?

[mental urchin]

https://youtu.be/NBjvYkNzuAA?si=t20dvIFz1iZpejr4

[sonic terrace]

No g, the hardest part of this of proving to you why 1+1 equals 2

[thorny steeple]

well then they should at least be ashamed silently, yet, you see them explicitly labeling you for supporting only the Palestinian civilians terrorist sympathiser, again, another psychological projection.

[sonic terrace]

And you keep asking 'hOw CaN wE pRoVe tHaT'

Google it

I'm the only one who's giving inputs here and discussing

[formal scaffold]

Mandela was concidred a terrorist once

[sonic terrace]

Google redshift spectrum or smth

[thorny steeple]

I see, if they are really doing so, then I absolutely condemn them.

[thorny steeple]

what's going on?

[sonic terrace]

What did you google?

Idk just look it up

We don't need to go that deep, i already showed researchs

But if you're really looking to prove every tiny detail, then go ahead

[thorny steeple]

great powers (countries, such as US, and UK etc...) are doing whatever pleases them. I heard that the U.S once called Al Qaida freedom fighters when they were attacking Russia, once they turned against the U.S, then they were labelled a terrorist group.

[sonic terrace]

Bro I'm not that expert in physics, but yes

[sonic terrace]

nothing I'm joking with em

[thorny steeple]

I see.

[sonic terrace]

omg bro

Bro go ask a physician or smth

Ask google about these not me

The point is , Qur'an is wa ahead if science, and science proves it

[thorny steeple]

Could you please recommend where to start reading about it? I’m not sceptical, but I don’t know a lot about it either (and sorry, I gave up scrolling up your debate, maybe you could recommend some good source (yes, I know, I can google it myself, but maybe you have something in mind already)). Thanks in advance

[sonic terrace]

Sure my friend I'll be glad to help
Do you want to start reading about the miracles of the Qur'an? I already have a site that shows a few examples

scroll up.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypXqqdPrYQQ&t=454s

this is a glimpse of it

[sonic terrace]

https://rationalreligion.co.uk/9-scientific-miracles-of-the-quran/
And don't forget to see the video that my brother @formal scaffold just sent

All of it.

[thorny steeple]

@sonic terrace @formal scaffold
while it's absolutely true that Qur'an bears recent scientific discoveries that weren't known at the time of the prophet peace and blessings be upon him, we should not go overboard on that and interpret verses with meanings it cannot carry. what I'm saying is that we need to be moderate on this matter 'cause the Qur'an is not meant to be science or math book, does it have scientific miracles? absolutely, but is it all about scientific miracles? nope.
I'm saying this 'cause I've seen some Muslims who really exaggerate and cite verses that cannot even indicate their proposed meaning.

[formal scaffold]

a book of signes not a book of science 👍🏾

[thorny steeple]

I'm not saying that what you've provided are not real scientific miracles. I'm just trying to give you an advice.

[thorny steeple]

correct.

[formal scaffold]

yeah basing all yr faith on that can be frickle and weak

the whole essence of islam is experiencing it

once u feel that peace it's hard to leave it

you are both scared and tempted to hold on it

[thorny steeple]

it's so obvious that Qur'an will definitely have facts about the physical world, it's revealed by the creator of it after all.
and if a scientific discovery appears to go against the Qur'an, it's the scientific discovery that's either misunderstood or misinterpreted, not the Qur'an. science is an ever-changing world, and something we know today, might turn out to be wrong tomorrow. that's why I don't support people who take verses that hardly show any sign of a scientific evidence and use it as a scientific miracle, well what happens if what you thought was a scientific discovery turns out to be wrong later? that's the nature of science, and it doesn't mean the Qur'an was wrong, it just means it wasn't talking about this discovery in the first place.

[sonic terrace]

I get you mate
I'm using scientific miracles because it proves that the Qur'an is not written by a human

[sonic terrace]

You're absolutely right my man.

But still there's something that we proved already, like how an embryo is formed inside of the womb

When i told him that he started talking nonsense and saying : Well how can we be so sure they didn't have the technology?

Like fr it was 1400 years ago

Have some common sense

@thorny steeple like Einstein said :
"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind”

[thorny steeple]

yes, there are verses that really talk about very recent scientific discoveries, and things that couldn't possibly be known at the time of the prophet upon him be peace and blessings.
about whether it's written by human, well, the word "written" denotes that it's basically a book, while the Qur'an was compiled during the caliph of Othman Ibn Affan (RA), it's a revelation, meaning that every single letter is from Allah, and therefore it doesn't matter whether it's compiled and written by humans or not, still came from Allah (SWT).

[sonic terrace]

Yes brother I get what you're meaning, by "written" i meant said or created

Thanks for the correction G!

[thorny steeple]

oh yeah, don't argue with these type of people, they are as Allah described them "although they have no knowledge ˹in support˺ of this. They follow nothing but ˹inherited˺ assumptions. And surely assumptions can in no way replace the truth." [53:28]

@sonic terrace @formal scaffold thank you for the links, I’ll look into it

[sonic terrace]

You're welcome , bother/sister

[craggy sphinx]

[sonic terrace]

Like you saw yourself man! No matter how deep I'm going he would still tell me to prove it
And that took us to a different topic .
But i still had to have a bit of patience maybe i could help this man come to a straight path
Idk what to say ,may God guide him

[pallid owl]

How's the holy war coming along boys?

[craggy sphinx]

I don’t recommend forcing it if it concerns an identifiable unit

*anyone

[formal scaffold]

لا إكراه في الدين

[craggy sphinx]

eng pls

[placid meadow]

aye im just so high.

[formal scaffold]

translate to: " there's no forcing to Islam"

[placid meadow]

fr

it's all about willing.

[warped scroll]

https://youtube.com/shorts/uIZFeVWOrGk?si=uvs7X-yQ3ixAWRG2

[warped scroll]

Yes it is

[thorny steeple]

this is a sufficient sign of the inability to accept Islam, it's actually a well-known logical fallacy called "the fallacy of pigheadedness" or "invincible ignorance fallacy", it happens when someone sits behind the wall of ignorance, refusing any given evidence regardless of how strong it is.
a good way to counter this fallacy is simply stop arguing, save yourself time and energy, even Allah said to the prophet peace and blessings be upon him "You surely cannot guide whoever you like ˹O Prophet˺, but it is Allah Who guides whoever He wills, and He knows best who are ˹fit to be˺ guided." [Qur'an 28:56], and "Say, “Obey Allah and obey the Messenger. But if you turn away, then he is only responsible for his duty1 and you are responsible for yours.2 And if you obey him, you will be ˹rightly˺ guided. The Messenger’s duty is only to deliver ˹the message˺ clearly.”" [Qur'an 24:54].

[craggy sphinx]

I'm not talking about religion.

I mean is that a PERSON should not be FORCED to accept it. Because it is not sincere and he will probably give up this religion

[formal scaffold]

yeah which is why it's prohibited to force it

[formal scaffold]

no wonder why kids tend to disobey their parents

[placid meadow]

btw. most of people are giving up in Islam. or fell off iman.

[formal scaffold]

numbers wise?

like leaving it for good?

[placid meadow]

nahh

can't be in the rules

[formal scaffold]

ah got you

[placid meadow]

it's sensitive to talk about. hard to says.

[formal scaffold]

I'll keep a mind on what you said

[craggy sphinx]

It happens that the upbringing of parents is not able to ensure normal behavior of children

[sonic terrace]

I didn't force it brother
He interfered while i was saying something to someone
And if he wanted to stop, he could've told me that he is not interested
As Muslim I shouldn't be pushing islam on people by force

[sonic terrace]

lol

[craggy sphinx]

good

[placid meadow]

don't take it so far😂

[craggy sphinx]

Where?

[sonic terrace]

may Allah guide him...

[placid meadow]

it's all about willing.

[placid meadow]

Im livin in Thailand now they just lazy to pray 5times a day. they drinking alcohol and drug abuses are everywhere in muslims community i lived.

that can't be accepted in either way.

[craggy sphinx]

Religious or not, we should treat each other equally. This should be expressed in parity.

We must help, provide the best conditions for each other, give from the best of what we have

[placid meadow]

especially Drugs.

it's Heroin bro. it's too intense.

and much cost.

[craggy sphinx]

This is the only way we can improve our situation and make the world a much brighter place

[craggy sphinx]

oh

[lament peak]

What do you guys think about the ongoing gen*cide?

[spiral raptor]

Do you mean the Zionists' annihilation of the children of Palestine?

[pallid owl]

Well, keep it going. Does me no harm

[thorny steeple]

like any human being, I condemn Israel, it's 100% a terrorist state, just posted a video earlier regarding that.
https://youtube.com/shorts/6FdKuo9jkzE?si=6GjotTOdoI06lXbI

they didn't even airstrike them, they literally executed them individually. even CHILDREN!!

absolutely criminal!

@lament peak
by the way, you can freely type in the word "genocide" here in the server. the server, and perhaps Discord as well, support the freedom of speech, unless there is something I'm not aware of.

[river crypt]

Radhe Radhe

[formal scaffold]

who's counting :/

I pray for every pure soul that suffred in this war

[worn pond]

Guys what's the definition of insanity?

[thorny steeple]

Repeatedly doing the same thing while expecting a different result, or so they say.

In reality, it's a more nuanced and complicated question.

Simply though, it's the state of being insane. If you know what insane is, you know insanity.

Insanity is typically associated with severe mental illness.

Someone insane doesn't really have a grip on reality.

[pallid owl]

Eating pizza with mayo

[oak lily]

Do you think that one can really improve his speaking via joining voice chats here?

I have a feeling that people use them for other purposes.

[formal scaffold]

I think practice speaking is a slow process, but what matters most is those VC are boosting your confidence

[ornate vessel]

Yeah off course

[oak lily]

Yeah, I can relate. Even finding courage to join vc and speaking with people is a thing.

[thorny steeple]

that sounds pretty much like Vaas's definition from Far Cry 3!

https://youtu.be/rKMMCPeiQoc?si=LqUBlPRAMcoFbr34

[formal scaffold]

good old days

best villain hands down

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I've noticed some people mention that. Maybe it was you last time, too. I just know it from other sources, like philosophical debates. Lol

[thorny steeple]

I don't remember saying that before. turns out Vaas is a philosopher after all. xD

[thorny steeple]

He's a pretender.

I actually don't remember him too well, but I do remember him being an amazing bad guy.
Very long time ago since I played that game.

Far Cry 5 is what sticks in my mind. The haunting music, especially.

[thorny steeple]

yes, the gameplay was pretty good, didn't have the same good stealth experience like the one in Batman Arkham series though, perhaps I was bad at it. xD

https://youtu.be/5ptZLnjjdJs?list=PLOJH4Moxw-0xie4gfYM08h-TT4qgoz3-w

After completing that game, I must've listened to this track a bazillion times.

[jolly agate]

Relogion that revolves around god. So when I say "You cant prove religion with brain" I ment like you can prove god with brain, you have to leave it to fate.

[sonic terrace]

You're a menace to society

[umbral escarp]

Why are Here always people ate tallking about Religion

[thorny steeple]

I really expected to join vc on this service, but I didn’t haha I’m not sure I feel comfortable

[civic reef]

i saw this quote by einstein literally today

[thorny steeple]

He's still alive?!

Man, Einstein never gives up.

Terrible joke, I know.

[jolly agate]

g got reincarnated

[old knot]

gta 5 vs gta 6

[thorny steeple]

Not sure that's doable, since GTA 6 isn't even out.

[old knot]

gta 5 vs red dead redemption 2

[thorny steeple]

RDR2 is easily the winner, in my book. Subjectively, the world appears more alive, the landscapes are scenic, the characters are enjoyable to interact with and watch, and the game isn't just a tee-hee affair. I like RDR2's gritty sometimes sombre tone.

But it depends what you prefer.

[fading abyss]

If fat people are getting free second seats, tall people (who didn’t do this to ourselves) should get free extra legroom.

[muted fern]

á

[scarlet glade]

Anybody wanna be friends?!

[lavish finch]

Hello

Welcome

[scarlet glade]

Thankyou ♥️

[lavish finch]

Join our public conversation

[scarlet glade]

Where?!

[lavish finch]

Here

Here!

[scarlet glade]

Okay

[lavish finch]

No need to delete comments

[scarlet glade]

Huh!!!

[lavish finch]

Yeah!

They help others understand the flow of conversation.

[scarlet glade]

I texted you personally!!! Would that be fine?

[lavish finch]

No thanks

[scarlet glade]

Okay

[lavish finch]

That’s why I invited you to join the conversation here.

Which is public

And everyone here can join.

That’s how you make friends.

Who would you like to be friends with?

Spend some time reading people’s comments.

You getting me @scarlet glade ?

If you don’t respond when people talk to you that will make it harder to make friends.

[scarlet glade]

Hey sorry there...

I am at college

[rigid vault]

Hi

I want to learn

[jolly agate]

learn what?

[orchid totem]

Is a two party or multi-party system really beneficial?

[warped scroll]

Really good song Thanks for sharing We all have similar dreams 🥲

[livid mirage]

im streaming me writing stuff in b3-intermediate join if you have ideas to suggest i guess

[worn pond]

Doing the same hecking thing over and over again, expecting things to change, thinking this time is gonna be different? 😄

[livid mirage]

done guys thanks for the ambient chatter xD

[thorny steeple]

ANTONIA NEGRİ HAS DİED

GOD NOOOOO

no meme just pain and mourn

[lavish finch]

Hello

Anyone else here?

[jolly agate]

Im

[jolly agate]

hello

[lavish finch]

Hi GoodsGood

[jolly agate]

how are you mr james

[lavish finch]

I'm very good, thanks for asking.

I'm very busy at work, but my work has become increasingly interesting.

I'm working on a new education project to support local refugees in community college with scholarship, application, career planning and job search assistance.

[orchid totem]

cool

[lavish finch]

And outside of work I've been doing a lot of 3D printing for games.

I bought a new extra large 3D printer to create table top game scenery

[jolly agate]

intersting, good to hear that you are doing well and you progressing smoothly with your life.

[lavish finch]

Like towers, castles, ancient ruins etc

[jolly agate]

is that, like a hobby

[lavish finch]

Yes

[jolly agate]

i see.

[jolly agate]

make some sward

[lavish finch]

For example

[jolly agate]

those things takes a lot of time to build something.

[jolly agate]

they looking good.

[jolly agate]

i need one

[lavish finch]

What would you like to build?

[lavish finch]

Great

[jolly agate]

godddd dammmm

[orchid totem]

GUNDAM

[jolly agate]

probally a small village or something then i will paint it.

then then i will cover it in a galss box as a show piece

[lavish finch]

I only print fantasy themes, but sci-fi is also popular.

[jolly agate]

all thanx to male audience

[jolly agate]

you can print some kitches utensils

[lavish finch]

Nah, I don't need any.

[jolly agate]

😂😂.

[jolly agate]

ahh i see, have fun with it then.

[orchid totem]

Which party do you support

[lavish finch]

Party? You mean political party?

[hallow cave]

Hello everyone

[jolly agate]

yeah. i think

[orchid totem]

yep

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[jolly agate]

hello beautifull souls

[lavish finch]

I don't support any party.

[jolly agate]

neutrual.

[lavish finch]

No, I'm not neutral either.

[hallow cave]

I guess there are 2 major political parties in the us

[orchid totem]

What should you do when you vote

[lavish finch]

There's just no party that advocates for what I believe.

[jolly agate]

you vote.

[orchid totem]

wdym

What religion do you believe in

[jolly agate]

he dont

[lavish finch]

The DSA, democratic socialists of america comes the closest. They have a libertarian socialist caucus.

Your question is motivating me to sign up.

[orchid totem]

well

[lavish finch]

Historically I am a supporter of the socialist party of america. But the party was disolved in 1972.

[hallow cave]

How old are u?

[lavish finch]

Not that old.

I'm 45

But they were a good party.

They ran Eugene Debs for president.

[hallow cave]

What do u do for livin?

[lavish finch]

I'm the director of education for a refugee support agency.

[hallow cave]

Ooh sounds Nobel

[lavish finch]

Thank you

I think they do important work.

[hallow cave]

are the students mainly from Ukraine and Palestine ? Cause of the war

[lavish finch]

I have students from both locations

but no recent arrivals from palestine.

[orchid totem]

you are so grate

[lavish finch]

the US is not accepting refugees from palestine unfortunately

Much of my work is with Ukrainians

[hallow cave]

Yeah I heard about it, i follow a Lil bit geopolitics too

[orchid totem]

Human rights in the United States do not apply to Palestinians

[lavish finch]

I run a federally funded program for Ukrainians

Yes, the US has a big problem with Palestine.

[orchid totem]

The misfortune of the Ukrainian people is caused by the tripartite relationship between the United States, Russia, and Ukraine

[lavish finch]

We can't even leave our palestinian congress members alone.

[hallow cave]

Who do you think will be the next president Joe or Trump?

[lavish finch]

I avoid making predictions

But it's probably going to be someone who opposes Palestinians, since they both do.

[hallow cave]

And why is that ? The majority of citizens of America support Israel?

[lavish finch]

No, the majority of citizens do not support Israel.

But there is a gap between what people support and what elected officials support

[orchid totem]

wtf

really？

are they crazy？

[hallow cave]

Well I see when it comes to voting for the president they're considering something more important on a ground level

[lavish finch]

Politics happens at multiple levels

[orchid totem]

Americans and America are really crazy

They are supporting the Nazis

Contemporary Nazis

[thorny steeple]

What about you? Do you support the nazis?

[orchid totem]

no

[thorny steeple]

Good

[lavish finch]

Comparing people to the nazis is a kind of nervous tic on the internet.

[orchid totem]

When you see Israel's crimes, you will find that it is indeed so

They are committing genocide

[thorny steeple]

So they are nazis then?

[lavish finch]

They are committing horrible crimes, I agree.

And the US is complicit

[orchid totem]

You can see that the Secretary General of the United Nations has initiated Protocol No. 99

[lavish finch]

I know

[orchid totem]

This is quite serious

[thorny steeple]

So are they nazis?

[orchid totem]

I know why now

Because you have also oppressed Americans before，So this is not accurate

[lavish finch]

The US also commits many serious crimes, but I don't call them nazis. I just think that's a bit intellectually sloppy.

[orchid totem]

What I said about Israel

[thorny steeple]

"A bit"?

[orchid totem]

You can refute me and provide evidence

[lavish finch]

Calling someone a nazi is just a way of being derogatory, not accurate.

No, you can provide your own argument if you wish.

You haven't yet made the argument for them being nazis.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, because they aren’t nazis by definition

[orchid totem]

They are now in power from the far right

[lavish finch]

It's just a word, like fascist, that is overused and loses meaning.

[thorny steeple]

Reformulate

[lavish finch]

Absolutist, authoritarian, yes

[orchid totem]

Their left-wing president was assassinated

[lavish finch]

It's helpful if we can be more descriptive and less emotional in our language.

[thorny steeple]

The Arab world as well, I guess

[orchid totem]

The far right creates racial conflicts in order to stabilize their own regime

And they engage in discriminatory policies

Defining Black Jews as Beta Jews

Ethiopians are discriminated against

They create ethnic conflicts

Israel's State Antiquities Director said that Gaza would be leveled with a nuclear bomb

They solved a problem with violence and oppression.And not developing one's own political wisdom

[thorny steeple]

Wow, it’s just about the whole Arab world

[lavish finch]

I'm opposed to the people who advocated in favor of slavery in the US but I don't call them nazis because it's inaccurate.

Question. Do we consider a religion an ethnicity?

[orchid totem]

no

[thorny steeple]

Is Islam the Arabic ethno-religion?

[orchid totem]

Can you tell me where I went wrong

master or sage

[thorny steeple]

You aren’t wrong, I just think that your statements might fit into the Arab politics as well. You’re criticising the right wing attitude in the western side, however, it seems to me the Arabs have the same values (the ones you have described)

"The far right creates racial conflicts in order to stabilize their own regime"

[lavish finch]

I think it's a mistake to categorize arabs as having a homogenous political ideology. Arab is an ethnicity.

Israel is a political entity.

[thorny steeple]

That’s contentious thou

[orchid totem]

Do you know that they define all but white people as second-class Jews

[lavish finch]

Is it?

[thorny steeple]

First time I hear

[lavish finch]

How is it contentious?

[orchid totem]

Its National Ethnicity Act

I don't know his translation, but it's similar to what it means

It named Ethiopian Jews Beta Jews

What is the intention of this?

[orchid totem]

Why did it shape its Jewish national image for itself?

[thorny steeple]

What are you talking about?

[thorny steeple]

I may be wrong, but I think Islam is part of their ethnic identity. To be a Turk, or a Persian, or a Malay, or a host of other Islamic people groups, is to be a Muslim.

[orchid totem]

Why did Israel give her a sterilization shot?

[thorny steeple]

Arabs are an ethno-linguistic group of people, most of whom are Muslim in religion but some of whom are not thou

[orchid totem]

Discriminatory policies

[thorny steeple]

Towards whom?

[orchid totem]

Ethiopian and local Arabs

Especially the Ethiopian people

[lavish finch]

I wonder if you mean that there are Ethiopian jews who are not admitted into Israel with the same benefits as white jews.

[orchid totem]

I think Israel is a religious country

It is different from political states

[thorny steeple]

I wonder as well. I thought the Arabs had a lot of rights in Israel. They could even get a citizenship and work there with their families

[orchid totem]

wow

[thorny steeple]

The Arabs have their own political party in Israel

[orchid totem]

You need to know more about Israel

What they have the right to is the religious court

Arabs and Ethiopia do not allow their own courts

[lavish finch]

I have an arab friend in Israel.

She's an English and Arabic teacher.

[orchid totem]

Learn more about the history of Palestine and Israel, and you will discover how cruel Israel is

[thorny steeple]

I know enough to understand that everything you said can be used as opposed to the Arab countries.

[gritty stirrup]

as far as i know the discrimation is between isrealis and arabs in the west bank

[vale ledge]

Arabe in general have a better quality of life in israel than Palestine but the discrimination exits and that a thing we have to combat for a better world

[lavish finch]

Except that the US supports Israel in an exceptional manner unlike arab countries.

[orchid totem]

@thorny steeple i need you， bro

[gritty stirrup]

arabs are tried infornt of militray courts unlike israelis

https://youtu.be/9boE53Z_lAg?si=r5iz0q4GF2-l5Fp9 this is a youtube video talking about this issue

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

Is that true that the Afghan women cannot afford themselves to go to universities if they aren’t under control and strong influence of their government?

[outer berry]

there is no Except America's job is to muddy the water and catch fish

[vale ledge]

We have to stop antagonising the two populations the actual government of israel is shit, the military is full of shit who can’t understand that one terrorise live don’t worth the live of innocent, and the hamas is the garbage of humanity

[lavish finch]

What?

[thorny steeple]

hello guys

what is the problem?

[formal scaffold]

the problem is that we don't see the real problem

[thorny steeple]

ok what is the real problem

[orchid totem]

I am not an Arab

[formal scaffold]

I'll say it in a language you can understand hopefully

do you know the real problem?

[thorny steeple]

no

what is the real problem

[formal scaffold]

how can I describe something you don't know?

[fathom vine]

By explaining it if u know it

[formal scaffold]

I can guide you tho

[orchid totem]

We're talking about Israel

[thorny steeple]

ıf ı do not know that what elephant you can

describe it with adjactives

[formal scaffold]

idk about elephants, but you are facing problems each day right?

[orchid totem]

I'm talking about the similarities between Israel and the Nazis

[thorny steeple]

yes of course

[thorny steeple]

similarities is more than differences lol

[formal scaffold]

so if you don't know the real problem that means you didn't felt it or it's infulence on yr life

[orchid totem]

Finally found a like-minded person

[formal scaffold]

why do you think that happened?

[orchid totem]

lol

[thorny steeple]

dude can you say what is the real problem?

[thorny steeple]

ı am an anarchist maybe you want to know this

[orchid totem]

The topic I sparked

[formal scaffold]

if you don't feel it's influence nor recognize it, surely it's either not affecting you so you don't need my info, or you don't recignize it as a problem rather as part of your life, that would be not only rude of me to call a part of yr life a problem but i won't be able to benefit you in any way possible if we talk about it

[orchid totem]

Aren't you Americans? If it weren't for why there is a student loan

Do you know? Obama almost became the first president to bear student loans

kk，you are humorous

[orchid totem]

tell me

[thorny steeple]

yes true

afghanıstan ıs a ery patrıarchal socıety

[thorny steeple]

Yes?

[orchid totem]

What do you think of this

[thorny steeple]

yes thıs ıs very ımportant, formal name of ısreal ıs "state of ısreal" not "republıc of ısreal" because orthodox jews did not want republic name

[vale ledge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxRcIGqZo7E

[abstract glacier]

why thwy don't want the republic?

[vale ledge]

what branches ?

[thorny steeple]

anarcho comunıst syndıcalıst

[thorny steeple]

republic is very secular defınıtıon for them, ısrael must be state of god and republıc ıs refering to people

[vale ledge]

a ancom
what size ?
universial anarchisme
national arnarchisme
or micro société anarchisme ?

[thorny steeple]

anarcho communısm ıs not natıonal and it is going to unıversal from local

[vale ledge]

That depend ancom is divide in many sub branches

[thorny steeple]

anarchısm yes but about anarcho communısm ı am not sure about thıs, anarcho communısm ıs a very homogenous

[vale ledge]

That because you are a lot more doctrinal than the other in the spectrum and hostile again the other
you have the reputation to treat all other anarchists has « not real anarchism »
but despise that branch existe

[thorny steeple]

we are not saying "you are not real anarchıst" to each other but we can say "you are not anarcho communıst"

because only sort of anarchısm ıs not anarcho communısm you can choose with other anarchısm kind with this ıdeas but you can not be anarcho communıst we are saying this

In example, muray bookchın was a famous anarchıst wrıter and he conflicted with anarcho prımıtıvısts and he did not say" you are not real anarchıst" he said "if you are anarchıst, ı am not anarchıst"

Bookchın was not identfying himself as an anarchıst when he died

he left area to anarcho prımıtıvısts, thıs treatmen ıs full opposıte of behavıours of marxists they say "you are not real marxist" and we say "if you are an anarchıst ı am not an anarchıst" lol

[vale ledge]

No really many ancom consider himself as the only real anarchist
but obviously not everyone is like that but that more common in the ancom because of the dogmatism

[thorny steeple]

ı am not sure ı am ın turkey ı do not see anarchıst who resemble to what you said among my comrades

but ı have got weak connects with global anarchıst organzation, ı do not know from inside, can be true

[vale ledge]

I’m a libright for me anarchism is to théorique and instable but i really like many of the ideologies on the spectrum so in my understanding of the anarcho sphere :
the ancom are the elitiste who can’t speak without citing marx
ancap is the weirdo with to many branch who are drastically different from each other so no one understands them

[craggy sphinx]

[obtuse perch]

[novel violet]

man alt sam has been timed out
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man alt sam#5745 | 1104328513756073984

[frosty owl]

heyy guys

whats up

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/zemmour-oh-bah-alors-comme-cest-bizarre-gif-25753974

[thorny steeple]

No work today, man. So, just chilling while watching car vids and exercising at the same time

[vale ledge]

What ?

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[crystal solstice]

Is anyone here an English teacher? If so I need council please DM me

[summer copper]

Hi

What’s app

Up

[thorny steeple]

Nothing much to do at 01:17 😅

[formal scaffold]

PM or AM?

[thorny steeple]

according to the Torah, both male and female engaging in same-sex intercourse should be put to death, yet, Israel has long history of supporting the LGBTQABCDEFG++ people, that's only one example of many things in Israel that are outright against Judaism's teachings, so no, Israel is not a religious country, it's a secular one. even orthodox Jews are known to oppose Zionism.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z581dbGqr08

[vale ledge]

Yes if you want to criticise Israel you have plenty of things for that but please stop been so stupid in your antagonisme

Israël is a very complicate state with big problem but have also quality

[formal scaffold]

I found an interesting vedio yesterday about a French pop comparing the three major abrahamic relegions, he concluded that islam isn't as close to christianity compared to judaisme, as he said: " jews are close to us since Jesus was jew (pbuh), but islam don't believe in the trinity there for they are nothing like us", Idk how he got that much attention and platform while saying something as insane as this, Jesus is highly respected and honored in Islam while Judaisme insulted both him and mary by many jews and not even recognized as devine let alone to be prophet, also he plied the trinity thing on Islam without applying it on Jusaism, and people like this Help spreading misinformation and incite to hatred

[vale ledge]

violence again jewis people by the muslim population rise in some region of russia so is Russia a religious state ?

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7uL555xWQeE

Note those don't represent all jews, but the problem I'm highlighting not to generalize ofc is muslim are target of hate for political reasons, a lot of stuff that muslim are incriminated for are somewhat true, yet, it's unjustly highlited or sometimes exagerated

once we establish equality and stop victimizing or incriminazing then we can have common grounds for discussion

[thorny steeple]

I'm not stupid sir, and I absolutely hate Israel. I won't stop being hostile with Israel unless they stop committing massacres, mass atrocities, and apartheid against my brothers and sisters in Palestine, Israel is definitely a terrorist state, and its actions shall be recorded in history as one of the worst terrorist regimes ever witnessed.

[thorny steeple]

yep, some people can reach that level of hypocrisy.

[vale ledge]

i don’t say you’re stupid but the people who antagonist Israel as a antechriste and imagine things on Israel even it exits many real things to criticise on Israel are stupid

[formal scaffold]

they don't recognize British occupation in the first place then they call you stupid, they don't recognize Palestinians as people who lived there and occupied it for centuries, after killing the Jews many times during medieval times and throwing them at us now they want to teach us a lesson about morality

[vale ledge]

but if you reconise yourself in that category that you’re problem

[thorny steeple]

Yes if you want to criticise Israel you have plenty of things for that but please stop been so stupid in your antagonisme
did you just deny your own words?
here is your speech exposes your lies, you did call me stupid.

[formal scaffold]

there's Israel and there's Zionist, not all Israeilis are zionist

[vale ledge]

English is not my native language

so if things are misinterpreted

[thorny steeple]

that's not an excuse at all, do you write things you don't understand? that would really be funny.

[thorny steeple]

Zionism is the acknowledgement and the support of the existence of Israel, so by definition Israelis are Zionists, unless they don't support the existence of their own country.
perhaps you mean not all Jews are Zionists.

[vale ledge]

i will says it in french :
Oui je suis d’accord si vous voulez critiquer Israël il y a pleins de choses la dessus mais il faut que les gens arrête d’être stupide dans leur antagonismes d’Israël

[thorny steeple]

yes, they are also the ones who take morality lessons from the jungle, e.g., homosexuality exists in animals. xD

[formal scaffold]

Donc Il faut dire: "People should stop antagonizing Israel in a stupid manner"

[vale ledge]

ok 👍

[formal scaffold]

Hit me up if you wanna vent 👍🏾

[scarlet stratus]

You born ... you live ... you die , what actually makes you alive ? What makes different between the died and alive people? And they both have heart, brain, blood and everything ..

Let's say that someone his heart stopped, he is going to die immediately and his body won't produce blood, if we transferred blood to him and there is no difference between him and alive human, what makes this alive and what makes this died ?

the soul

The most proof for the existence of god

Beside the universe that works with one rule, if any star or any small atom broke the rule of the universe, everything will be destroyed , there must be a god .

God already sent many prophets with clear miracles for his existence

[thorny steeple]

I’m the guy you wanna talk to

And the Pix? Nothing yet?

[thorny steeple]

Prove it

I’m here

I can prove it

Pick my brain

[thorny steeple]

W H A T

[thorny steeple]

No, bro. U r a just bot. I cant believe

[thorny steeple]

I’m a bot

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-bender-bender-bending-rodriguez-cigar-feelin-good-gif-22790083

[jolly agate]

Being alive is more than just having a working body. It includes thinking, feeling, and being aware. Even if we fix someone's heart and blood, if their brain stops working, they're considered dead because they've lost consciousness and the ability to respond.

[gentle helm]

I'm serious

[cobalt drum]

this is sad

[cobalt drum]

yes i do agree with you

[jolly agate]

Death is a "Cessation of Sensation"

[timber token]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-baby-yoda-mandolorian-hello-gif-20136589

[stone plaza]

Heya

[scarlet stratus]

Do plants have brain ? What makes it living organism

[serene birch]

Have you experienced it before or are you just estimating?

Even after death, some cell types may continue to survive for a period of time. For example, subcutaneous fat cells can sustain metabolism for a long time. However, these situations generally mean that the whole organism does not maintain its functionality.

But since some of our organisms will survive, we can probably continue to feel some things.

[jolly agate]

Even if some cells stay alive briefly after we die, it doesn't mean we can still feel things. The body as a whole stops working, including the brain, so there's no more experiencing or feeling anything after death.

[jolly agate]

Google it.

[thorny steeple]

if you google "the hard problem", you will find neither an unsolvable mathematical equation, nor an unexplainable phenomenon. the hard problem and the most difficult might really be the consciousness, it's hard 'cause there are many things that suggest consciousness is not really located in the brain.
so it's not outright to assume that the brain is what causes a person to be alive.

the brain is perhaps not the central organ in the human body, or it could simply be the central organ for the physical body, and that we have more than our physical organs that allow us to be alive. 🤷‍♂️

for me as a Muslim, I 100% know that our physical body is not what allows us to live, but rather our souls.

[jolly agate]

even-though understanding consciousness is hard. there are abdundants of evidance that points that brain being the "key". If you study the brain you will find the connections with our experience. If a part of the brain gets damaged, it can change how we think and feel. So saying the brain is the core of consciousness fits with what we observe.

[jolly agate]

That's a belief.

[thorny steeple]

Hey guys

Don’t forget about reincarnation

I’ll be here

😏

[scarlet stratus]

But at least, if you thought about it .. the brain is the main controller and the manager of the body, if it is destroyed the human will die, but what makes the brain sends signs for the body? What makes the brain works ?

[serene birch]

When you cut a part of the body, no pain is sent to the brain, it warns the brain that there is danger there, but that area hurts.

[scarlet stratus]

If we made a brain like human brain and there is no difference, how does it work by itself?

[serene birch]

Don't claim to know something about an experience you haven't experienced yet. There is no complete result on this topic yet.

[scarlet stratus]

How could even the nature create an organized human body ?

Human body is very very complex

Don't say the evolution

[serene birch]

but eveolution 😄

[scarlet stratus]

Well ..

[serene birch]

evolated by god

[scarlet stratus]

Scientists discovered that all humans on the earth are from one mother ..

[serene birch]

Of course, according to my belief

God is good programmer

[scarlet stratus]

I don't remember where and when i read that but it's true

Hawa and Adam

[scarlet stratus]

?

Creator*

[serene birch]

yeah creator

[humble lion]

Whats this about piipl
And hello

[scarlet stratus]

@serene birch are you Christian or Muslim

[serene birch]

If we think logically, everything already comes to that conclusion. Everything has a beginning.

Both even jew

I believe all of them.