🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

I understood this question and this is like I said. If a government wants to interiorize some ideologies must be asked to folk. Maybe it is asked of the folk in terms of democracy, republic, etc. Comunism wants to more details about our life. And more intervention. The folk must be free, not have hard rules and a hard life.

Yeah, my sentences are subjective but I think conditions can taken into consideration at a better level for every human. So, as a sample, we can't make slaughtering for we want this situation. You can make available hard rules on judgment, or maybe in front of the judge. Briefly, there are 2 levels, the first one is lifestyle, and the second one is judgment. An ideology can't start on a hard level, it should be in a better condition for humans. Judgment can decide plus the worst conditions

And I'm saying serious things for the first time, if I make mistakes forgive me

[hot bison]

You are welcome to speculate as you please.

[thorny steeple]

This looks so good, thanks for inf

I will research

[gusty relic]

so this time do you want me to reply or not？

[gusty relic]

i am just encouraging you to be an ostrich.
ENCOURAGE
Don't mistake me

[feral river]

yeah I’m chinese I just paid 100 RMB to get my passport with no requirements

and I traveled Japan, Singapore in the past

of course you have to get the visa which means you have to follow the target country’s visa requirements and freely traveling

politically I’m a member of the CCP, Communist Party of China, but I didn’t feel anything like suppress our activities , use strong measures to control in any scales except the politics

honest to say I know what is happening in Xinjiang, Tibet and Hongkong but if you are part of majority

you will be fine, except participating politics you have freedom to do anything you want in your life.

no minority were respected in Chinese government

90% of Chinese people are Han Chinese, of course I’m, the government work for us

no talk about politics, no act against government and policies, no spreading hates and divide our nation in verbal in anywhere

you will as free as america does

well you can’t hold guns 🤣

government are struggling improve our economy and society even some terrible thing they did like invade other state, suppress minorities

that’s why most people like them rather than take down them like soviet union

[warped scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cl8gt0Om7UE?feature=share I hope it will be helpful for you

[feral river]

I think not all the humans think they have to struggle to do something better for all humans

and there is no one, even one government, really works for human

they may do something "work for human" to justify their achievement, to extent and preserve their interest

[feral river]

That won't stop if they withdrew from middle east

no doubt US is the most powerful country, and the US dollar is the most powerful weapon for the US

[warped scroll]

That's why I support those country that can make US weaker and stop act like an owner of the world I hope many countries use that currency and this "plan" will be succesfully

[feral river]

weak them financially and politically, nice idea

[warped scroll]

Exactly

Year and year Nobody fckn care Usa and its dogs

[toxic jay]

who are the dogs ?

[thorny steeple]

Heyo

[thorny steeple]

it doesn't matter whether it's superior or not, I don't adhere to the whole international law, I'm just quoting this one statement, which is well aligned with common sense. I don't appeal to authority or anything like that.

if you're intentionally massacring innocent civilians while using unproven excuse that among them are the enemies, then you lack basic human characteristics, which then makes you inhuman.
(I'm not referring to you, I'm talking about whoever does that)

so when humans like myself condemn these acts, and label them as terror and evil, we are right.

[pallid surge]

What you shouldn't want is to weaken the U.S it's more so to have other great powers; Similar to Europe in the past

[thorny steeple]

I don't quite understand what you're saying here, but generally I don't care about the international law, the opponent disagreed with me saying Israel has not committed war crimes, that's why I quoted the international law which is the one that defines war crimes, so the argument is basically as follows:

premise: the term war crime is generally defined in the context of the international law.
premise: the international law labels countries that attack hospitals and schools as war criminals.
conclusion: whoever attacks these facilities is then labelled war criminal, which remotely means they've committed war crimes.

[pallid surge]

How convenient

[thorny steeple]

Well breaking into another country and killing children, adults is also one

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

the last thing discussed was politics

[jagged osprey]

lets talk

okay soo...

lets not talk

[serene birch]

are you sure Israel has not committed any war crimes? just a basically phosphorus bomb and 8000+ children and babies. Does it have to use nuclear bombs and kill 1 million children for it to be a war crime?

Am I misunderstanding what you're saying? I didn't fully understand it because I didn't read it before.

If so, sorry.

Just a simple explanation, they are not war criminals, they are humanity's biggest parasites and viruses.

France, England, America, China and Russia
There will be no peace unless the world is freed from their dictates.

it continues not to happen As long as these false systems exist

There are two main reasons for all wars, control(power) and resources.

The funny thing is that we kill each other for very primitive and simple resources.

First of all, these old people need to die. They are very confused and brainwashed with nonsense.

No

at least we have to minimize it instead of accepting

[warped scroll]

Just wanna see what will change and hope them in good way

Only 50 years didn't have a war etc. in human history I mean yeah you're right

[serene birch]

I think you should make propaganda as much as you can. Especially to young people.

We need to somehow explain that war and killing are bad and peace is a very good thing.

imagine you are living in palastine with your loved ones.

and most of them already killed

Today palastine

tomorrow your country or city

Adapt yourself against to war machines.

ok ok dude

next please

I dont like to talk with sheeps

wait are you sheep?

so sorry I rather to talk with humans

[coral wagon]

what are you talking about guys

a different matter

[thorny steeple]

[quartz willow]

[rustic crag]

is there anyone who speaks fluent englisch pls dm me

[craggy sphinx]

[main bison]

can indians understand indian accent?

[serene birch]

[thorny steeple]

Why do you need to be privately messaged? If you need help with English, just ask a question here or in #📚｜english-questions .

[rustic crag]

if theres no problem with that

Ill do that

[main forge]

hello guys, im getting boared giv some idea what should i do right now

[rustic crag]

is that the correct form?

[main forge]

yeah that a good idea

[rustic crag]

Did you go to the disco yesterday? (Use modal verbs where possible. If a model verb cant be used with a certain tense use its subsitute)

[rapid oasis]

hi guys

[thorny steeple]

„Did you go to the disco yesterday?“

This is correct.

[rustic crag]

ok and can you say (Imagine, some people in GB may stay at a pub for 3 nights bc there was so much snow they couldnt go home.
Since he bought the new car he couldnt sleep)

[main bison]

Hey guys
How can i find a girlfriend?

[thorny steeple]

It's not clear to me what it is you're asking if you can say, but I'll guess.

„Since he bought the new car__,__ he couldn__'t sleep.__“

The grammar here, after the changes I made (underlined), is correct, provided the context is correct. However, I'm not sure how the above statement relates to the other text between the parentheses.

[main bison]

bro bro
What's your name?

[serene birch]

If you pretend like a girl, you can find it very easily.

[thorny steeple]

Creepy.

[main bison]

i don't pretend a girl
I just have an anime girl profile picture r

[main bison]

bro bro you didn't tell me your name

[thorny steeple]

Of course I didn't.

[main bison]

So tell me

[thorny steeple]

Don't be creepy and weird.

[main bison]

you made me sad

[thorny steeple]

OK.

[main bison]

Can't you tell me your name?

[thorny steeple]

I'm blocking you now.

[main bison]

Why

i thought you were a good guy🙁

don't mind me

I just asked his name☹️

didn't i?

[thorny steeple]

they absolutely have committed war crimes and countless of atrocities in the land that they've stolen, that's what I was arguing about basically.

[thorny steeple]

I wouldn't consider my own land another country, especially when the occupier puts me and my people in an open air prison.

[serene birch]

Okay sorry, you are the opposite of my claim.

[thorny steeple]

yes, it was my opponent who claimed that Israel has not committed war crimes when it bombed hospitals and schools filled with patients, children, and all types of innocent civilians, so I was just casually refuting their argument.

[dusty lodge]

Hi guys! I would be happy if you suggest any advice regarding enhancing vocabulary (specifically frequent used) because I'm having problems in my speaking and listening. Sorry for sudden off topic)

[eager barn]

ask chatgpt for new words lol

[deep loom]

I think mostly yes.
But there's kinda difference between North Indian English accent and South Indian English accent. (Mostly because north Indians speak different languages like Hindi/Hindi related ones, while South Indians speak other languages which are totally different from Hindi and other North Indian languages, so even the Indian English accent varies within Indian itself.)

[main bison]

Bruh

[eager barn]

Do you know how many languages are spoken in India?

[deep loom]

Lol

[dusty lodge]

I ask for definitions or usages of new words that I come across from chatgpt

[main bison]

What will happen if i don't study?

[deep loom]

I'm not sure but I think 24 official languages are there in India.

[dusty lodge]

I don't find it easy to learn just flat list of words

[deep loom]

What won't you study?

[main bison]

idk

im just asking

[deep loom]

Unofficially there are way more languages.

[eager barn]

hmm maybe watch some more sophisticated youtube videos like university lectures

[deep loom]

Oh it's okay don't study.

[main bison]

don't i die?

[dusty lodge]

good idea I'll try

thanks

[eager barn]

yw

[deep loom]

Oh! Lol, damn I got it now.

It only applies to me, it doesn't apply for anyone else, so you're pretty safe.

[worn bolt]

👀

[civic thicket]

Good evening everyone

[feral river]

winner defines everything

you can’t even say what is justice if you can’t live 🤣

that’s why I said it’s pointless to condemn, it aint solve anything

pay their bills if you are supplying them 🤣

A famous word from ancient china “罪在当代，功在千秋” which means Sin in the present, merit in the future

if they seized new territory, expanded their interest, that was a huge advantage on everything

to achieve that, they have to do something notorious to maximum their interest

[jolly agate]

you dont ask twice if they have already refuses once.

@feral river i dont know but why you sound like someone from "one piece".

[feral river]

idk what you mean actually

[jolly agate]

nvm

[feral river]

🤣

[balmy lava]

Sounds like an average user from bilibili which is full of Chinese kids

[feral river]

sounds like racism

omg racist🤣

isn’t that funny ?

[balmy lava]

No, I just said you look like a Bilibili user, but nothing else about racism. Maybe is kind of offensive to people who use that. It's my fault. I should not judge people by stereotypes. Even if a kid he or she can be my teacher. Just like a word from ancient China "无长无少，道之所存，师之所存也"

[feral river]

could you please describe what kind of person can defines as a bilibili user

[balmy lava]

https://www.zhihu.com/question/546622222

[feral river]

oh let me see

[feral river]

a loser in real life ?

really ?🤣

make sense

wait wait wait make sense now

but not for me I’m not watching that shit

[balmy lava]

While it is not me saying that. Everyone can use that.

It's still a good platform for English learners in China who don't know how to cross the Great Firewall

[feral river]

I don’t like Bilibili just because there is full of nonsense, extremism in the user community, and they continue to spread some incredible views even by harrassment

but because it’s like they are protected because… political true or controlled by officials idk what if it is like this, but I guess it

[feral river]

maybe, the freaking wall also sick

[thorny steeple]

what's so laughable?

[unborn marlin]

Good morning

[thorny steeple]

Power =/= Justice
you could either use power to oppress innocents for your own personal interests, or to establish justice and maintain law and order.

[thorny steeple]

Morning. 🤍

[river smelt]

Hii 👋

[balmy lava]

Hi

[river smelt]

I'm bored

[white lava]

Hi

[balmy lava]

hi

[white lava]

What's up?

[timber token]

ok

[violet condor]

yo watcup?

[timber token]

im good

[feral river]

establish justice and maintain law and order is for maintain and expand your interest.

It doesn't cause conflict

more guns, money, resources and territory = more power

power is used for establish justice and maintain law for its own people and expand your interest in any way you want because no one could stop you if you are the most powerful entity

for yourself

not for the fucking international community

establish democratic rule in middle east ?

an awesome pretext 🤣

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[lusty zenith]

The light is always low here

[timber token]

What do you think about pineapple on pizza??

[craggy sphinx]

he

ll

o

[lusty zenith]

My first ever pizza had pineapple on it (I was 5). So I might be biased

But it's yummy. Not even the worst pizza I had. Chocolate and syrup on pizza is another thing though

[timber token]

pinapple on pizza is fire but if you put mushrooms on pizza than uff

[lusty zenith]

mushroom is good no matter where it is. Especially on pizza. But it could depend on the mushroom type I guess. I only ever ate brown mushroom on pizza

[balmy lava]

It's OK, but I prefer pizza without pineapple.

[static pivot]

[shell rapids]

White people=miserable homeless

They fear power

I once tossed a white guy caused him to have spine problem

[balmy lava]

WTF

[thorny steeple]

You=whatever orangutan you have for your profile

[shell rapids]

This is me

[thorny steeple]

That's kinda the point I'm making

[shell rapids]

I am more heavy built than white people

they have thin neck

[bleak osprey]

you mean you have strength more than whites?

[shell rapids]

Yes

I tossed him

And he had spine problem

[bleak osprey]

well

how old was he?

[shell rapids]

20 or something

I was 17

[bleak osprey]

what about you?

i mean how old are you

[shell rapids]

I don't want to say more

I was teen,I saw a opium war movie few days back and I met a white guy walking on street in northern china

[bleak osprey]

sorry i didn’t notice that you already shared your age

[shell rapids]

And hate growing and I picked him up and tossed him hit garbage can

His spine had problem

[bleak osprey]

you didn’t got a filed for doing that?

[shell rapids]

I was kept

Asians needs to start fighting back like I did

[balmy lava]

[deep loom]

Are you trolling or did this happen for real?

[balmy lava]

Fight for what? It doesn't make any sense.

[shell rapids]

Their racism

[balmy lava]

You attacked a random person first, maybe there's more context. I don't get it.

[bleak osprey]

he was fighting for his race

(tossed a innocent white out of nowhere in no time)

[balmy lava]

If that's the whole story I think it's just nationalist people finding excuses to bully other races

[bleak osprey]

i get excited when i meet foreigners

[feral river]

existence is reasonable.

[dense agate]

you say you're standing against racism, yet your actions were racially motivated to harm someone based on stereotypes.

[feral river]

racism is existing in anywhere, it's not that strange

[bleak osprey]

are you from indonesia?

[bleak osprey]

in modern times only

[feral river]

really ?

[dense agate]

that's very incorrect

it's quite the opposite, i would say that in a global scale, racial tensions are way lower in this current era than ever before.

[balmy lava]

I agree. Racism wasn't a problem 200 years ago. But people gradually know that racism is not good, so racism topics get more reports on the news.

[feral river]

some places only

it's not going work in anywhere

some places thinks racism is not good

especially western nations and alliances

[dense agate]

are you being serious ? "racism wasn't a problem 200 years ago", the US abolished slavery only 158 years ago. Racism and racial tensions were high back then.

[bleak osprey]

people don’t use to segregate themselves based on culture and religion before

[feral river]

because there is a lot of conflict happening in their state because some racist is inciting, trying to spread hate among the country

[shell rapids]

Shanghai has too many white people,When in chaos times,I want to cull them

[feral river]

but some places NOT doing like that, and most people are majority of the society

[shell rapids]

Waiting for Chaos begin

I still not quit

I heard shanghai has some white peple

[balmy lava]

I mean people don't care about the racist problem 200 years ago.

[bleak osprey]

@dense agate sorry my mistake now i remember slavery of africans and other events

[shell rapids]

Don't know,i live in north

[feral river]

I'm not going to do that XD, I think they are paying our bills

I live in north too

[dense agate]

are you also being serious ? are you telling me back in the past, let's say the medieval ages for example people never segregated themselves or went into wars because of differences in culture in religion ??

[feral river]

which province are you live in

[bleak osprey]

#🧠｜serious-chat message
massacres, coup attempts etc.,

[feral river]

holy crap

I'm from Jinan City

the capital of shandong province

more white rich, more income and economy boost

I bet they can't do anything, if there is, our military forces is ready to them

[dense agate]

it's not that they didn't care, it's that societies adopted certain view points that argues that there are inferior races, but people did care about race, the slaves and the enslavers themselves cared about it, it's just that the way races were seeing back then caused many to be oppressed. And when a more tolerating change was coming some societies found themselves divided i.e: The American Civil War.

[dense agate]

well one would assume people would be serious here, but what you said is very untrue, it's an objective reality.

[feral river]

do you know what is the difference between most black and indian people in civil war ?

not only race, their literacy, their lifestyle, their political view

[dense agate]

i think saying that ordinary white foreigners residing in china are plotting against the country is a vague conspiracy.

[feral river]

I think they are not going to do that

it's suicide

[dense agate]

are you talking about native indians or hindi ?

[balmy lava]

Maybe I should say people care more about racist topics than 200 years ago. It's this OK?

[feral river]

sorry I don't know what is hindi, but I'm refering the native american people

some people thinks racist based on race

it's not

based on their activities, literacy, their own culture and views

[balmy lava]

The sentence I said feels like an IELTS writing exam

[feral river]

I passed that shit I'm not going to make a perfect sentence NEVER in my life 🤣 🤣

[dense agate]

first i just want to say it's not your fault for not being able to pin point a more precise expression, with how trending this topic nowadays people can get confused. But for me i would say that there are a lot of people nowadays who are calling for equality of outcome rather that equal opportunities and rights.
They promote what they call "positive actions" to give -what some see as advantageous- better chances to minorities, a good example of this is back when American universities would give racial minorities higher chances of acceptance.

[dense agate]

Racism is discriminating based on race.

[balmy lava]

I think only a genius journalist can get 9 in writing.

[dense agate]

here you are talking about about discrimination in general, it can be about anything.

[feral river]

It's the origin of the racism

racism is a part of general discrimination

it's not that special

[dense agate]

racism is just one form of discrimination, just as sexism is discrimination based on sex/gender

[thorny steeple]

They do manage to get on the news top headlines, but people still not change.

[thorny steeple]

or colour

[static hare]

and people nowadays make dark humour jokes about it

[balmy lava]

Indeed

[thorny steeple]

Frfr

[jolly agate]

thats kinds depressing.

[jolly agate]

noo pinapple

[jolly agate]

no again

[timber token]

pineapple is so goooooood on pizza

[jolly agate]

personal perference.
no comment

[timber token]

have you ever tired it

[jolly agate]

i did

it did not suit my taste buds

[dense agate]

that's a different topic, humor and jokes are just words and means of expression, they don't oppress

[dense agate]

you're going to get yourself banned from Italy

[pallid surge]

What are you talking about? humans are very tribal; in almost all ages people segregated based on religion, culture and ethnicity. The only difference is in modern times the concept of nation state came into being; a nation united based on ethnicity rather than under a king's banner.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CQvgl2wMKAg?feature=share

[pallid surge]

but even now with mass migration; people still self segregate themselves based on culture and ethnicity.

it's natural

[static hare]

ahh isee

[jolly agate]

the reason why racisam wasnt a problem 200 years ago was, because it was that type of culture, in that era, "everyone slaved everyone."

[balmy lava]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[thorny steeple]

what's yall yallin about

[jolly agate]

answering

[dense agate]

your argument is built on top of a false statement, making yours no more correct than his.
i think what you both mean is it wasn't as big of a deal, since it was common and widely accepted.

[jolly agate]

how is my arguamant based on false statement

[balmy lava]

Any book suggestions for this topic?

[jolly agate]

Between 1772 and 1833. British Parliament recorded the volume of slavery in India.

[dense agate]

your argument further confirms YZ's statement, that slavery wasn't a problem 200 years ago. or at least you phrased it in such way that approved his statement

[dense agate]

.

[dense agate]

.

[dense agate]

.

and these are the reasons why i argue that what he said is incorrect.

[lusty zenith]

Italians already banned from my life

[lusty zenith]

Food is food

[pallid surge]

Italians have not been a threat for a minute

[jolly agate]

not all food is eatiable or certenly you wouldnt like to eat it.

[west glen]

Hey guys, I am currently searching for a speaking partner to increase my TOEFL scores. I currently have 21, and I need 25. Any volunteer can DM me.

[lusty zenith]

But. Food is the eatable

[humble lion]

Edible*

[craggy sphinx]

(general chat)
you said that it would bring pleasure, but how do you know that it can bring pleasure and after that I will begin to appreciate it even more? why do you think this should satisfy me?

"satisfy discontent," why should I do this? why should I waste my time on this?

[neat granite]

You have shown me a very rigorous perspective of thinking.👍

[craggy sphinx]

I think it depends on a lot of factors, I'm not sure it can really satisfy

[neat granite]

To be honest with you, I cannot provide an answer to your question. My viewpoint might just be a sigh and consolation from an individual when they witness others expressing dissatisfaction with reality. Perhaps my words are full of loopholes.

[neat granite]

Yes, I completely agree with this point.

[craggy sphinx]

but I like that at the end you clarified what exactly makes a person appreciate it, perhaps this is so

[warped scroll]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JF8gm0qgIDQ?si=Yy1GeuI_PvGap0WF Real Jews already left "isnotreal" not to be part of zionshits God bless them

[jolly agate]

Each person's life is intertwined with "discontent" and "loss", but it is precisely because of the thirst-like satisfaction of "discontentment" that one can experience the most joyful happiness after being satisfied. It is through "loss" that people cherish and yearn for beautiful emotions such as love and friendship even more.

"That's what these guys are talking about"

I get that people see things differently. Some might say you don't need to be unhappy to be happy later, and losing something isn't necessary to appreciate love and friendship. It's just different ways of looking at life.

[tame moon]

Hey all!

In words such as

Baker
Bakery
To bake
Bakes

I suppose the "common root" is bake

Do that "common root" have a name?

[craggy sphinx]

I don't think that's always the case

[craggy sphinx]

hello
for more information - #📚｜english-questions

[tame moon]

Thank you

[jolly agate]

why you thinks that?

[craggy sphinx]

e.g. I was glad to know that a person who showed a destructive character would be punished or executed. I don't want me and my family to be threatened.

I would not cherish it

I don't think it's right to generalize about "losses" and the cherish of it

but the clarification at the end was clear

[jolly agate]

humm

[neat granite]

I'm sorry to have caused misunderstanding among my friends. What I want to say is that in life, "discontent" and "loss" are unavoidable. When you don't get what you want, try not to get too discouraged. Cherish what you have now.

[jolly agate]

this is common in here, dont worry

[jolly agate]

there is an alternative perspective that suggests that fostering a society focused on rehabilitation and understanding could potentially lead to long-term positive change.

[craggy sphinx]

no worries. Everything is fine

[jolly agate]

indeed👍

[craggy sphinx]

you can always share ideas

[craggy sphinx]

I don't know how reliable it is

"unity" may not always lead to peace and prosperity

there maybe flaws inside

[jolly agate]

if you are going to take something to a big scale it is bound to have flaws in it

[jolly agate]

its still better then just cutting their head off.

but still

[craggy sphinx]

maybe

[jolly agate]

not always i say

[craggy sphinx]

this can also happen within this system. There will always be those who want to subjugate power and control others

[jolly agate]

we can put rules in place and improve the technology to stop them.

[craggy sphinx]

this requires detailed consideration.

For example, when we talk about the death penalty, what matters is who is behind it.
If we talk about rules, then ; How reliable is it? How can this regulate popular sentiment?

[formal scaffold]

laws and police are everywhere, humans can't be left without leash without them spreading chaos

[craggy sphinx]

can this satisfy everyone?

[jolly agate]

nope.

[craggy sphinx]

yes, that's what they do

[formal scaffold]

just announce one day in the whole world where everything is permissible and there are no laws and enjoy the show

[jolly agate]

chaos whould erupt

[jolly agate]

laws and polics are the gate keeper of chaos

[formal scaffold]

not just those but mainly yes

[jolly agate]

if the main gates are open there is no need to use the side one.

(:

[formal scaffold]

side to some main to others we aren't all the same when it comes to this

[jolly agate]

thats is true.

[neat granite]

I believe that all laws, all moral codes, even all the stories told to us by neighbors, teachers, and elders, they all revolve around one common purpose: "the survival and development of the human species."

[formal scaffold]

even this laws and regulations can be missused, morally correct or wrong, touches some more than others, but there's no alternative in this time and age they are the main gatekeepers of doom like you mentioned

[jolly agate]

shouldnt they do something about, things that can become a hinderence to that objective

[neat granite]

Yes, but I believe that the issue of human consciousness is something that scientists have not fully comprehended yet

[formal scaffold]

Sometimes entertainment appears to take priority compared to those you mentioned

[neat granite]

I have read quite a few philosophy books and "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind," so I think it's really quite complex.

If there were no deaths, and no reduction in job positions, maybe?

When discussing such issues, from my personal perspective, it is easy to bring in too many biases and preconceived thoughts

[formal scaffold]

it's always welcome it completes what you were saying since it doesn't go against it don't you think?

[amber perch]

yeah, right

[formal scaffold]

one pov is always limited

[neat granite]

right

The powerful "laws" have constructed this universe, including the Milky Way and the Solar System, and we are living within these laws. It is difficult for us to use our own power to search for the fundamental laws of this world like what we see on television. Therefore, my current perspective is that since someone has designed this game for us, instead of searching for the basic codes, we should familiarize ourselves with the rules of the game in this brief life and perform our lives well on this stage

Of course, I really enjoy exploring the beauty of the universe, I love rockets, starry skies, and astronomy

[formal scaffold]

up up down down left right left right

the cheat code of life

[neat granite]

😂

[static hare]

punda

can i get any tips on how to debate witha strong and rich vocabularylike you guys

wud really love it

[pallid surge]

All laws came to be because it is self-evident to us that natural rights exist; and that there is a right and wrong

I do not disagree that that keeping peace and creating a stable society isn't also a factor; for example someone mentioned if it was solely based on that smoking and drinking ought to be outlawed.

Dueling is a good example for it. It was outlawed not on moral basis, but practicality. Officers kept getting themselves killed.

It's a bit of both.

[neat granite]

Friend, you speak very well. If there were no death and the potential for suffering for everyone, and one could freely indulge in smoking, drinking, and use their strength in any way they like to eliminate anything that makes them uncomfortable, as well as indulge in various things that make their brain ecstatic, there probably wouldn't be any man who wouldn't love it, right?

Of course, this is only based on societal considerations. Different people have different beliefs.

[static hare]

bruh proceeds to ignore

[spring furnace]

I need a linguistics expert.

[main bison]

look

[restive oracle]

We may have different beliefs for sure but there is an objective morality imparted in us. Unless we have crossed the boundaries expressed by our consciousness.

For example if you kill an innocent man no one will agree that what you did was good if he is reasonable.

And it becomes obvious for the community that you are a danger.

Now each states have it's functioning Law for organisation

[hot bison]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bpvj0laQFeQ?si=h1z780hQMfVfsixP

[restive oracle]

Also for each action the fruit that you manifest establish if what you did is wrong. For example if you drink with moderation and never loose soberness it is clear that you are responsible while drinking. So there is not point saying that you are doing something wrong.

Poison is determined by quantity someone said

But this principle does not apply for everything

For example you may compliment other women without second thoughts but your wife does not like it. So if you continue you can destroy your home actually out of stubbornness.

[neat granite]

First of all, I respect every opinion you have, my friend. However, the issue you mentioned is still an age-old problem, which is the failure to transcend the framework of "human" as a species. When you mention a "pure person," you actually define them as someone who has never harmed others within human society. But it doesn't mean they haven't caused harm to other living beings, including bacteria, viruses, and beyond just animals and plants.

If we cannot transcend this framework, it will be difficult for us to discuss this profound topic together, and it may lead to misunderstandings. I should clarify in advance that I have a comprehensive understanding of social laws, and I always abide by them.

[restive oracle]

I mentioned a pure person. Where ?

[neat granite]

" innocent man "

[restive oracle]

Innocent and pure are not the same thing

If someone accuse you of having stole his bike and kill you for that. And later we find out you did nothing you were actually innocent and shouldn't having been killed.

There is nothing about being pure here.

And personally I do not believe in "pure person" at least not in the sense of someone who never did something wrong.

[neat granite]

I believe the real issue is that while we all abide by the law, it may not be productive to spend too much time discussing everyone's individual values. The relevance to the complex issue of "human consciousness" might not be significant, right? The formation of individual values is influenced by factors such as family, friends, environment, and society. However, "human consciousness" is a complex issue that even scientists find difficult to fully understand, involving psychology, biochemistry, neuroscience, and more.

Friend, you make a good point, but we are no longer discussing the same topic.

[restive oracle]

Anyway I guess you are not ready to talk about certain topics.

Also it is evident "observable" science will not be able to explain what is not observable.

But let's not walk in denial

Cya

[neat granite]

Consider me simply a passionate enthusiast of psychology; I mean no harm

If, friend, you feel uncomfortable, I'll try my best to reduce such comments in the future

[thorny steeple]

science is not only about observation. observation is a crucial aspect of it, but it's only one piece of the puzzle.
very important aspects of science also include logic, reasoning, and deduction, for instance, archaeology is a field that relies heavily on analysis and interpretation of artifacts, this requires logic, reasoning, and deduction.
also, in nearly all fields of science, there is an aspect of interpretation that relies on deduction in order to formulate theories, that's the reason we have theories in the first place.

oh wait, sorry, I misunderstood your statement.

you were more specific, I think what you were saying is that, there are certain observations in science that don't necessarily explain non-observable things.

while I agree, but it's not always the case, this aspect might be so insignificant compared to the whole concept of science.

[restive oracle]

More like science focused on understanding the observable nature is not suited to explain self-evident invisible entities.

Like it is not by observing a cell that you will discern the source of life.

[neat granite]

👍

[thorny steeple]

yes, you're right, there are certain things that we know based on their effects, such as dark energy in cosmology.

it's worth mentioning that dark energy is a hypothetical form of energy though.

[restive oracle]

Yeah I would have not used the term "know" because it remains a mystery.

[neat granite]

If possible, I'll try to clarify my points using knowledge derived from evolutionary psychology in the future. From animals to modern humans, otherwise, I fear I might be misunderstood as a dangerous individual again

[thorny steeple]

true, we don't exactly know the nature of such energy, it's unobservable, kind of invisible form of energy, we could only deduce its existence based on its effect.

[restive oracle]

Tbh I was just responding to your last sentence... I am not aware of all the convo before me.

[thorny steeple]

are you replying to me or to @0_0LY?

[restive oracle]

Last reply OOLY

[thorny steeple]

aha, I see.

[restive oracle]

But it seems you are interested in science @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

I do love many fields of science.

although I'm not so knowledgeable or anything like that, but certain things catch my attention.

[restive oracle]

I guess so

[thorny steeple]

I mean, I'm not an expert, so I might make mistakes or misunderstand things, but I've been able to prove some specialists wrong though, you'd be surprised that some scientists do intentionally spread disinformation, that's why I think it's important to have critical thinking when reading scientific literature, and differentiate between the results and the conclusions, some people draw very different conclusion than what the results suggest.

[neat granite]

I believe most scientific principles serve to explain the majority of phenomena, much like how '1+2' in mathematics requires numerous proofs. The progress of science invariably relies on a strong, imaginative leap combined with mathematical knowledge as its foundation

Perhaps for humanity, this world is simply a combination of powerful imagination and rational explanations

From my personal perspective of dialectical thinking, understanding what is 'true' and what is 'wrong' might only grant the most fundamental right to speak after comprehending the universe

[restive oracle]

Science is not able to make truth claims. Anyway.

[thorny steeple]

I don't exactly understand what you mean, but I believe science is meant to explain the nature around us and help us advance, and therefore it should not rely on imaginary leaps or anything like that, but rather, logical deduction based on observable phenomena.

[neat granite]

Anyway, we're still enjoying it, aren't we?^_^

[restive oracle]

I mean certainly but I am kind of disoriented to use it as the main metric for discerning what is right from wrong.

Especially when the knowledge of science may be mostly used for harm

[neat granite]

My statement comes from a previously mentioned Einstein interview, where he stated that, compared to statistics and observation, physics requires more imagination

[thorny steeple]

yes, not every scientific piece of information is absolutely reliable. although there are certainly objective facts in science, some other things are surrounded with ambiguity and uncertainty which should be taken with a grain of salt.

[thorny steeple]

oh, I get your point now, I agree.
imagination might be the most important tool to formulate scientific models and to understand nature etc...

[neat granite]

I need to go sleep for a while. Wishing both of you continued enjoyable conversation

[restive oracle]

The simple fact that something is humanely interpreted is enough to be critical. In most case layman have only access to the most supported scientific opinion, the consensus. But even if this consensus is accepted at 90% it can be subject to a shift of paragdim with technology advancement and research.

[snow shale]

how do you get the stream/media role?

[restive oracle]

And if we gather a panel of scientists to define what is Truth they will not be able to be of one mind.

[snow shale]

you have the role can you let me know how you got it?

[restive oracle]

Idk what u are talking about sir

[snow shale]

nvm then

[restive oracle]

I don't plan streaming

So I guess it may just be time being present in here

[snow shale]

i just figured it out

#💭｜general message this is how

[thorny steeple]

I get your point. there is an important distinction to be made here though, human subjectivity is no proof of truth, subjectivity and objectivity are different, but they can align.
for instance, we all know 1 + 1 = 2, it's an objective fact, although I might suddenly start saying 1 + 1 = 8, it would be then my subjective opinion, I'm not forced to say 1 + 1 = 2, but when I say 1 + 1 = 8, it doesn't turn into reality, and therefore becomes an objective fact, 1 + 1 = 2 will remain true whether I accept it or not, so subjectivity may or may not align with objectivity, that doesn't affect the objective truth.

what I mean is that, yes, mere interpretations that are just put forth are no proof, the evidence that lead to this specific interpretation is what makes the interpretation valid though.

[main bison]

hi

[stiff palm]

Hi

If anyone actually wants to talk here about the Israel Palestine thing just @ me

[main bison]

Hi
do you care about them?

[stiff palm]

About who

[main bison]

them

hamas and isreal

[stiff palm]

I don’t really care about either but I have sympathy for the innocent civilians

I think both sides lie and make up things

[main bison]

I don't care about them eaither

[stiff palm]

And I think it is dumb for Palestinian supporters to deny things Hamas did when they video themselves doing things

And they bring up ‘well the hostages said nice things’

Are we forgetting that it’s a war where they are probably scared about either family hostages or what happens if they say the truth

[main bison]

The only country that i care about it
Is england

[stiff palm]

I kind of want someone here who disagrees with me

But one person got muted

For being immature about the topic

I don’t like when people bring emotion into debates

[main bison]

you're right

i stand with you

go ahead

[stiff palm]

Lol

I think for many Palestinian supporters they are a lot more emotional

Over logic

In how they debate like the one person who was happy to just talk whatever when it was in general but when the time came for a real conversation they didn’t want to

[main bison]

bro which city do you live?

[stiff palm]

I don’t live in a City

Leicestershire tho

[main bison]

i almost know all the important citis in england

[main bison]

what?

[stiff palm]

It’s a county

[main bison]

a state?

[stiff palm]

Idk if it’s similar

A county is an area of towns and cities with a sort of council to make it easier for the main government to manage

There’s 48 in England

[main bison]

Almost as same as us💀

[main bison]

did you count the wales?

[stiff palm]

Wales is separate Country

So I’m not sure

[main bison]

its in uk

[stiff palm]

Yeah idk how that works

They have their own government tho

I’m pretty sure

[main bison]

As britiand you don't even know how your govrmemt works?

damn

[stiff palm]

Not with Wales no

Plus I’m 16

[main bison]

Ahh

[stiff palm]

I don’t know everything

[main bison]

so am i

[stiff palm]

An adult is more likely to know more

Why do you have 3 flags in your name btw

[main bison]

Do you like your kings?

i forget his name
Charg?

[stiff palm]

Yes I’m a monarchist

[main bison]

because i like them
Believe or not im from none of them

[stiff palm]

Ahh ok

How did you put a flag tho

If I try it goes black

[main bison]

i have to search this in dictionary

[stiff palm]

England went from 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿- 🏴 when I tried to put it in my discord name

[main bison]

idk man
Its simple

[stiff palm]

See

[main bison]

i see

[stiff palm]

It’s just black but I put the england flag

[main bison]

Ohh

[stiff palm]

💀

[main bison]

🏴

[stiff palm]

Works with uk flag tho

[main bison]

That's okay now

[stiff palm]

Weird

[main bison]

lemme try the england flag

damn

[stiff palm]

Yeah

[main bison]

you were right

maybe discord has a problem with england

we need to punish it

[restive oracle]

Define truth first

[cursive bobcat]

Word: truth

Definition 1 (noun): the quality of being near to the true value
Definition 2 (noun): United States abolitionist and feminist who was freed from slavery and became a leading advocate of the abolition of slavery and for the rights of women (1797-1883)
Definition 3 (noun): a true statement

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by jad_gozum_elmokdad

[restive oracle]

1 + 1 = 2 in a certain domain of definition

[cursive bobcat]

Word: true

Definition 1 (adverb): as acknowledged
Definition 2 (verb): make level, square, balanced, or concentric
Definition 3 (adjective): accurately fitted; level

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by jad_gozum_elmokdad

[restive oracle]

Funny "near the true value"

It is actually a more than centuries debate among philosophers and theologians to define truth since the beginning

Boss move

[thorny steeple]

if you mean what I think, which is that we could define "2" differently, then I would agree.
but that's irrelevant though, my statement is based on the assumption that we both define 2 the same way.
by the way, I believe that all communications between us, humans, are based on our experience of the world, i.e., you can't explain the concept of color and light for someone who've never experienced them (this is an actual medical condition, typically when someone is born blind, that they don't see anything, even dark and black), it would be impossible to do so, most of what we aim to convey rely on other if not the same experience we have and are mutual.

[restive oracle]

Boss move

[restive oracle]

No let's say in binary, 2 does not exist.

[thorny steeple]

sorry, I don't follow.

[restive oracle]

1+1 in binary is 10. I guess you have already seen sequence of number like this 1011010100101 that people used to program in the past.

[rocky current]

Use today

[restive oracle]

I mean the computer still understand like this but I have never seen someone program like this. We compile now but I am not knowledgeable on system program.

[thorny steeple]

well, it's not technically 1 + 1, it's 1 and then 1. the binary system is all about electricity being turned on and off, when 1 it's "on", when 0 it's "off".

in other words, 1 presents the presence of electricity, and 0 represents the absence of electricity.

[restive oracle]

Actually it is a fact that 1+1 does not equal 2 in all mathematical system.

[thorny steeple]

by the way, I'm a software engineer.

[restive oracle]

So again defining it as "truth" is too much

Hum

[restive oracle]

Thanks for that

[thorny steeple]

we don't need it to work in all mathematical systems, as "+" might represent different things, we only need it to be hold true in arithmetic and algebra.

[thorny steeple]

but how do they transform that into information like images or audio?

I don't think information is the right word here

it might boil down to how we define addition, but in most cases, we all define it the same way, so the default standpoint is the arithmetic one, unless we change the context.

apart from that, it holds true for reality, which is the most important.

[thorny steeple]

this is a very diverse and complex topic honestly. xD

I see

one sec.

well it was worth a shot

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/Xpk67YzOn5w?si=fTz-Qi-kWyN9AM4J

thx ill watch it in a bit

here is another video that might explain it a bit better.
https://youtu.be/wgbV6DLVezo?si=VEhmfXJdBrlTy53a

[restive oracle]

Hum

[thorny steeple]

I don't think you'll find a lot of people from there

most of us are foreigners trying to learn english

[worn pond]

I want to try!

[restive oracle]

Are u from there ?

[violet condor]

HEY

How's it going?

[tacit nebula]

Guys i need gamer friend for improve my english and hangout,talk etc..

[thorny steeple]

Just chat with people! There are lots of people who're up for a chat about games.
What sort of games do you play?

BTW, you could say „to help me improve“, „for improving“, or „in order to help me improve“ (before „my English“).

Also, remember to capitalize proper nouns, like English. It's not a huge deal, but it's worth getting it right anyway, IMO.

And I is capitalized when it's the pronoun.

I don't play many games now, but every now and then I'll get hooked on something.

[restive oracle]

🤣

This is a serious friend

[crystal solstice]

Hey, I have severe depression and want to talk and chill, we can talk about whatever you want to, DM me I'm playing stw on Fortnite if you want to join
I don't mind any level of English so if you want to practice talking about more unusual stuff and just talking in general text me

I also speak Spanish fluently so I can help beginners with talking

Just ping me

[coarse jolt]

hello guys

[crystal solstice]

Hello

[violet condor]

Ok

[tacit nebula]

thanks

[vocal hearth]

chicken nuggets

[thorny steeple]

Anyone here with a degree in english?

[neat granite]

From a doctor's perspective, I can understand your words. In a way, your viewpoint also confirms why the simplest things can be the most difficult to explain. It's like the cosmic conundrum of 'why does existence exist,' a question that is akin to going from 0 to 1

[feral river]

you can use binary code for cheating on the class 🤣

just knock your table, 1 0 equals A

11 0 B, 111 0 C, 1111 0 D, 101 pass

1011 previous question

yeah I used it before for cheating

[lusty zenith]

Your teacher will ask if you've got Parkinson's because you knocked the table 459 times during the 30 minute exam

[neat granite]

So clever! Why didn't I think of such a brilliant solution🤣

[neat granite]

Such a cunning perspective🤣

[lusty zenith]

Most helpful native in EngHub

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

guys, what do you think the world would be like if it were one single country? i would like both optimistic and pessimistic opinions

[round yarrow]

it would be impossible in practice just because of the vast differences in climate, language, religion, culture, etc.

[neat granite]

I'm looking forward to it

In that case, there's no need for a visa, and you can travel around the world

Then we can develop tourism projects in the Arctic and Antarctic, engage in deep-sea sightseeing, without allocating extensive taxes towards military endeavors

[lusty zenith]

Then cities and districts will probably become the new "countries"

It is nice to imagine a world where humans all speak the same language and can travel anywhere without complicated visa procedures, but human nature won't allow it. I don't mind there existing only 1 language either. Actually, I thought that was what sign language is supposed to be, and was super disappointed when I found out each country has its own sign language. It makes sense when you think about it, but I still think it's a missed opportunity

[jolly agate]

that would be a boring world.

[lusty zenith]

As boring as a superpowered warlock, conquerer of dungeons and kingdoms, could feel about the everyday life of a salaryman. Maybe he just wants a break from all the magic and excitement. Simple is not always so bad

[jolly agate]

.

..

...

[jolly agate]

simple is not always good

[lusty zenith]

But it can be

[neat granite]

If the resources used for war were redirected into the construction of the world, there would be fewer people starving and falling ill. Everyone could avoid doing things in their daily lives that they don't want to do as much. I believe the world would become more beautiful

[jolly agate]

thats an extermaly quixotic idea

[neat granite]

This is a false question. One country doesn't equate to using the same language. There can be several common languages, and then there can be numerous regional minority languages

[jolly agate]

a world where everyone specks the same language, would be a dull world because different lanaguage makes things more exciting.

different Languages also brings a specal way of talking that relects the culture where it comes from.

:The world is already diverse enough and exicting.

:A world wherw eveyone specks the same language would be dull and less exciting.

[jolly agate]

it wasnt a question.

[neat granite]

The tax required for current military equipment is just too high, with annual increases and a vast number of soldiers. I feel this is an enormous drain on human resources

[lusty zenith]

That's just what you imagine it to be because the fact is, there is no world with only one language, so how can you say for sure it'd be dull

[thorny steeple]

I see, but I think the question of why does existence exist is erroneous though.
if we agree on one definition, which is that existence is the state of being real in an objective sense, then you can't apply existence on existence itself, it's like saying is water wet? or is thunder shocked?
that's what I think.

[thorny steeple]

you mean Morse code, not the binary system.

[balmy lava]

It is different

In Morse code .- is A

[neat granite]

🤣 ,correct!

[jolly agate]

imagin eating a curry with only salt.

[lusty zenith]

That'd be plain. But it's not the same comparison yeah

[jolly agate]

i think its a good comparison.

curry represnts the "world"
slat represents the "language".

curry with multiple spice is what makes it intresting, the same goes with the world too

a world with only one language, do you think it would be fun when you go forgin country for travel and meet new people. but the speck the same old langauge.

meeting new people learing about their culture, language how they inteect in their own language, is what makes us as humans speical, thats also adds some taste in this tasteless world.

[thorny steeple]

In my country there are many languages beside the official country language

[formal scaffold]

it's not binary but I see why they mixed it up with that since each letter can be percieved as a 4 numbers binary code

[thorny steeple]

yeah, true

[thorny steeple]

why do you think so?

[thorny steeple]

again, true

i think the main problem of world being together would be that not everyone has same opinions, there would be civil wars and protests, which we clearly have seen through history

and it would not be hard to just have one government, establish a federation like state, it would be easy

[thorny steeple]

It is a human being nature its hard to find people to accept others opinions even if they say that

yep

I live in a country which ill mention it with name X we are at civil war for over than 15 years

And everyone think that they are on the right side and can't accept others

[jolly agate]

i have stated my reasons

[thorny steeple]

alright, i'll take a look

At the end of any war we "the normal people" are collateral damages

[thorny steeple]

that's a problem of world being one nation

civil wars

but stay strong brother

[thorny steeple]

fair enough

[thorny steeple]

Thanks alot, but after 15 years its normal and part of our lives

[thorny steeple]

i can understand

[toxic jay]

How to stay strong ?

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIvx7I3U6HE

[toxic jay]

We are truly sad with what happened to him

[thorny steeple]

he was a nice judge

seen him in yt shorts

[thorny steeple]

U trolling me or what?

[feral river]

GOT U!!!!

if you are a network security engineer and you have to do a online test

you can use a trojan to monitor your screen

and an another person looking at your screen which is on their computer

and search answers or chatgpt etc.

then use that code to transfer the answers.

it's like hack your own computer to help you cheating

I'm doing that before because I'm

help my friend to pass their exam

[neat granite]

👍

This approach is very imaginative, and you've done an incredible job of implementing it

[feral river]

yeah that actually works, but not for all the exams

most important exam in here are not online exam

I'm a freaking cheater, I know

and I don't care, I think need to pass this shit

[neat granite]

me too

[balmy lava]

[neat granite]

However, during the pandemic, this approach should be quite useful

[feral river]

it works, well sometimes you will encounter some technical issues

that was expected

so plan B

using a perfect camera to monitor his screen, google it

and transfer

you can even built a new language system for this

better for struggling to study, for me

[neat granite]

Your idea is very innovative, but from a technical perspective, it's a bit beyond my realm of knowledge🤣

[feral river]

🤣

It's my realm, I guess, our job is finding bugs and hack into the system

there is no flawless system exist.

[neat granite]

Sounds very exciting, interesting, and challenging

[lusty zenith]

Ehhh if you say so

[static hare]

what if we are so small that there are some aliens soo bigger than us such that they cannot see, like, we are like atoms to them?

tell me if this theory is not correct

[balmy lava]

Unfalsifiable

[fast minnow]

Hii

[static hare]

hmm

[worn pond]

Oh dang it, no I am not

[open eagle]

Is there anyone American or British or at least has English as a main language

[vapid tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97NCKoDni40
Please watch this video

[thorny steeple]

okey

where are you from

[slate spade]

Hey everyone. Looking for native speaker i can talk to. I am from Ukraine, 19y.o

[static hare]

anyone has any opinions

what if we are so small that there are some aliens soo bigger than us such that they cannot see, like, we are like atoms to them?

[neat granite]

We should constantly push our own limits

[valid tundra]

Then pray they don’t find earth😆💔 @static hare

[static hare]

lol

[thorny steeple]

[main bison]

@stiff palm
Is Charge III a good king for uk?

[stiff palm]

Idk

He’s old asf

And probably doesn’t do much anyway

[main bison]

asf?

[stiff palm]

It means ‘as fuck’

[main bison]

Yeah
Why can't i see him a much in the news?

[stiff palm]

Idk

[main bison]

and as fuck means?

[stiff palm]

I’m not sure it just means like ‘very old’ old asf-very old

[main bison]

don't you have a prisident in uk?

[stiff palm]

Prime minister

[main bison]

huh?

[stiff palm]

Which country are you from again?

[stiff palm]

A prime minister

We have like many other European countries

[main bison]

What does he do?

[stiff palm]

They are the one who runs the country

[main bison]

Iran

[main bison]

how about the loyal family though?

[stiff palm]

Barely anything anymore

[main bison]

huh

[stiff palm]

The monarchy holds basically no power

It’s just symbolic and ceremonial now

[main bison]

what why☹️

poor loyal family

[main bison]

so they doesn't rule?

[stiff palm]

Because of the revolution of 1688 it furthered the constitutional monarchy, restricted by laws

Even if the monarchy wanted to restore power it’d be impossible pretty much

[stiff palm]

Not really

[main bison]

damn
I miss that

[main bison]

Its bad to hear that

[stiff palm]

Yeah

[main bison]

im a big fan of monarchy

good question

[stiff palm]

It’s a very important part of my history and culture and It’s better than our shit governments

Personally that’s why I like it

[civic reef]

monarchy is a good representation of how outdated britain is

[stiff palm]

Not always bad

If the monarch is a good one

In my opinion people need strict rule and authority and our country was better off when it was in that situation

Compared to how it is now

[main bison]

like the loyal family of iran

iran was a much better when it had monarch

[civic reef]

maybe right but still, i think the biggest mistake the UK has ever made in modern history is resigning from european union

[stiff palm]

Yes

[main bison]

🫡
https://images.app.goo.gl/B98XVms4bpf9ufZ49

[stiff palm]

The reason it failed is because the government failed us

[stiff palm]

It wasn’t executed properly

[civic reef]

you mean, leaving the union wasnt executed properly?

[main bison]

Why did they do this?

[civic reef]

No idea

[young pawn]

Have you delayed your schedule in the past? And have you surmounted this situation? If so, I want to know how you managed to do it

[main bison]

People yeah are really nice

[stiff palm]

I’m not sure really for more freedoms etc

[main bison]

compare yo us

[stiff palm]

And follow their own rules and shit and not following the eu

[main bison]

More freedom for whom?

[stiff palm]

The country to do what it wants

As Nigel farage said ‘we love Europe we just hate the European Union’

[main bison]

what does it want?

[civic reef]

they successfully decreased the number of european migrants (legal ones), who were willing to come there to work, oftentimes for lower wage than british so they were beneficial i think

[stiff palm]

I don’t just mean immigration

I’m not an expert but there were other factors

[civic reef]

i see

i hate that decision lol

as an european who potentially would migrate

[stiff palm]

The rough summary is they sought greater control over its laws borders and immigration by leaving the European Union through Brexit. Additionally there were economic considerations including the desire for more flexibility in trade agreements and regulatory autonomy.

[civic reef]

so they wanted to pay less taxes and decide themselves what they do

kinda

i see

[stiff palm]

I don’t really know why it failed probably because of the government poorly executing it

I mean it’s pretty telling when rishi sunak thinks it had many benefits

And even Nigel farage said it failed

So if it wasn’t the conservative government who implemented it and a different one it could’ve worked

"Arguably, now we're back in control, we're regulating our own businesses even more than they were as EU members. Brexit has failed," Farage told the BBC, adding that takeover regulation and corporation tax were driving businesses away. "We've mismanaged this totally."
This is what Nigel farage said about it

Asked if the prime minister had sympathy with the concerns of businesses who said they were struggling to deal with government bureaucracy, Sunak's spokesman said the prime minister wanted to "ensure that the UK remains a business-friendly country to invest in".
And that’s what sunak said

He always just gives vague dumb answers and never solves anything pathetic leader

https://tenor.com/view/rotating-skull-gif-24524852

Ik lol

[thorny steeple]

haha

[compact forge]

Literally look at most of the people on the internet supporting Palestine. It’s the people who are LGBT or who support it. People who are LGBT are used to being discriminated, do you really think they would stand by and let it happen to others?

https://truthout.org/articles/lgbtq-voices-are-increasingly-speaking-up-for-palestinians-despite-backlash/

And yes, these people know Palestinians hate LGBT. They’re not stupid, they just don’t want to see others discriminated against

@sonic terrace

[thorny steeple]

+99

They are really human. That's it.

[sonic terrace]

What is the source?

[compact forge]

I linked it

Is it not there on your side?

[exotic scarab]

but its really really realy rare to see discrimination outside, unless its on social media when its pronouns videos(that is quite weird), people don't really care about lgbt outside, i think most of the friends i had was from lgbt but they all had some sort of hateful behavior around me, even tough i was being respectful with them

[thorny steeple]

I assume that you mean Palestinians hate LGBT 'cause they are Muslims, but it's not outright, we hate the sin not the sinner. from an Islamic standpoint, if someone is attracted to the same-sex, we don't automatically start to hate them, 'cause you can't control who you're attracted to, so the mere feeling is not a sin, but rather the action.

[compact forge]

Yah, but the issue is there is still people trying to repeal gay marriage, shouting slurs, and hate crimes. This stuff happens in real life, it’s not as common as it was a decade ago or as common as it is online, but it is still around. And there are still plenty of countries where you would be killed for being gay.

[compact forge]

I apologize, I should have been more specific in my wording, I meant that as a more general term. I have nothing against Muslims and understand the religious viewpoint. I just don’t like when people use their religion to justify hate crimes toward people of differing religions or non-religionous people when the people they are being bigoted toward should not be held to the doctorine of a religion they don’t follow.

[exotic scarab]

all of that is more related about culture like with Muslims, here's something interesting i know most of lgbt people don't do nothing against people, but some people had really bad experience with some hateful person that was lgbt, and i really understand that is a problem, but hear me out why the lgbts can't love and respect peoples opinion and just stay away of them, i love everyone but i had several bad experiences with someone that was from lgbt, i only have one lgbt friend and he is the most quite person who respects everybody and i accept him as my brother, why people from lgbt can't be like him?

[thorny steeple]

no worries, no need to apologize, and of course Allah doesn't command or aim to impose the religion of Islam on other people, in fact, the absolute opposite is stated in Quran and Sunnah in multiple places, such as "There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become distinct from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in ṭāghūt1 and believes in Allāh has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allāh is Hearing and Knowing." [Quran 2:256]. 🤍

[compact forge]

Yes I don’t like extremists either, I’m very sorry you have had bad experiences. Just like every group there are good and bad people with in it, and sometimes when people are attacked with hate they retaliate and hate others, though this is not a good thing to do and never justified. I’m very sorry about your experiences, just know that there is always bad and good in groups and I agree that everyone should be respectful of each other. I did not mean to offend you in any of my arguments, I was only attempting to show you my opinions. I am sorry if it seems I got to passionate about anything, and I do not have any ill will toward you.

[compact forge]

I didn’t know that. Thank you for educating me and having this conversation. It was a good and constructive one and I thank you for that 🤍

[exotic scarab]

thank you, as a Christian i totally respect you and your believe i don't have nothing against LGBT people, i actually changed my mind a bit with our talk, i think we should talk more some time i really enjoyed to get challenged

[compact forge]

Yes, I had a great conversation with you as well! Thank you so much for discussing with me, I would love to talk to you whenever you feel like it. 🤍

[exotic scarab]

them anytime them hahha i love to talk about certain serious topics

[thorny steeple]

@sonic terrace
I agree, Linux is in a whole different dimension compared to Windows. 🤝 😂

I mean it's way way better.

I've been using Linux for about 5 years now, never regretted my decision switching from Windows, and I usually encourage anyone to give Linux a shot, it's really worth it, even for basic computer users.

[sonic terrace]

Assalam Alaikum akhi
I don't disagree with what you're saying, we hate the sin and not the sinner
But i believe that this whole thing the pride community are doing or saying is aimed to normalizing them in other countries
Why else would they say 'oh hi i support you (I'm A member of the LGBTQ btw !)'

@compact forge and sorry mate for my late reply, my internet connection was bad

[thorny steeple]

Bingo. Something we 100% agree on. 😛 I've been using Linux exclusively for many years and feel as you do about it.

[sonic terrace]

Linux bros🤝

[sonic terrace]

nice!

[sonic terrace]

It makes you wonder.. why are they offering help as a pride community?

Anyways I'm not meaning to be ungrateful (If this is true) what I'm saying is that you can see something weird with this.

[thorny steeple]

yes, I agree, and by that they aim to impose their belief on us. I think that just like there are some religious people might try to impose their belief on others, some LGBT people also do so, it even happens in some public schools in Canada and the US and the UK as far as I know.

[formal scaffold]

they aren't supporing to normalize it they do bc they are humans, any human would stand to violence against civilians

it's wrong to try to read in people's heart, only god knows what lies there

[thorny steeple]

How are they imposing their 'beliefs' on you? It's just their sexual orientation. I'm not imposing my straightness onto you. I'm simply straight. Lol

Maybe I'm missing context, I'll grant you.

[thorny steeple]

Lol, we agree on a lot of things actually, and I really respect you as a person. 🤍

[formal scaffold]

agreed imposing is too much of a word I'd say influencing is more accurate

[thorny steeple]

I appreciate that.

Yeah, but influence? C'mon... be reasonable, guys. You're NOT gonna suddenly go out and <intimate act> some dude because you saw a gay couple. Lol

I hate it when I forget to type not. Lol

[formal scaffold]

"لا تزر وازرة وزر أخرى" Namely that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another

[formal scaffold]

I didn't claim that, but everyone is influencing everyone thought exchanging

[thorny steeple]

I mean they are imposing the belief that the action homosexuality is normal and should not be considered a sin, well we strongly believe it's a sin, why can't they simply respect people's belief. 🤷‍♂️

You can't change other people and their actions, but you can change how you respond to them. Ask yourself what sort of person you want to be.

[formal scaffold]

not in muslim nations tho

[sonic terrace]

Absolutely , i know a little kid living in Sweden who was asked if he wanted to change his gender
Since that community says that they just want to be equal..
Is this a question you can ask a child about? Isn't that considered pushing an ideology into a child's brain?

[thorny steeple]

Homosexuality is common, even in the animal world. Is a dog a dirty sinner because it tries to shag some guy's leg? I feel like y'all have no leg to stand on here. This sounds daft, frankly.

[formal scaffold]

Homosexuality goes against science and biology, each sex organ is made to suit the opposite one and there are 2 genders

[thorny steeple]

And yet, it still happens everywhere. This is the reality, guys. Bugger all you can do about, if you'll excuse the pun.

This is how some people live their lives. You live your lives how you like.

[formal scaffold]

I don't wanna go on about the sickness that are origanally from those acts since they aren't "confirmed"

[thorny steeple]

yes, especially when in the same country the age of consent is 15, why would they ask little children about their sexual orientation if they are below the age where they can consciously be aware of their decision, that's an important question to ask.

[sonic terrace]

There's absolutely no scientific reason for Homosexuality
And if you're saying it's normal in the animal worlds then you're describing them as 'animals'
Animals can drink dirty water from the ground, could a human do that too?

[thorny steeple]

That does a little strange, but might be out of context, or misrepresenting the case. Some kids might know what they do and don't like but won't feel comfortable being open about it. Awareness of these things allows them to be open, or at least gives them some opportunity and people to talk to about it in a (hopefully) safe environment.

[thorny steeple]

the animal world is not a very good place to take morality lessons from honestly.

[formal scaffold]

I don't wanna live like an animal myself ngl

[thorny steeple]

We are all animals.

People drink dirty water all the time. 😆

[sonic terrace]

I hope i read than wrong lol

[thorny steeple]

Nah.

[thorny steeple]

it's the atheistic evolutionist view of humans.

Why should we have special status just because we're more advanced?

[sonic terrace]

Lol
My point is, we can't use animals as an excuse for homosexuality

[thorny steeple]

Why not?

[thorny steeple]

there is more important question to ask, where do you get your morality from?

[formal scaffold]

Hey you do you, we believe in a relegion and we don't want any homosexual sex in our society, if you don't accept it do tell me

[thorny steeple]

It's a great point you're dismissing because... ?

[thorny steeple]

This seems like a red herring. Why is this relevant?

[sonic terrace]

Well bring the smartest animal ever
Can he build Bridges with metal? Can he solve equations? Can he ride a car? Can he MAKE a car ?
Can he speak multiple languages?

No

[thorny steeple]

you're making a morality-based argument, so we need to establish a common ground first.

[formal scaffold]

any homosexual is like the type of guy who uses screw driver to hammer a nail

[sonic terrace]

Alr guys i really liked discussing with y'all
But my eyes are hurting and i need some rest fellas
See you tomorrow maybe?

[formal scaffold]

type of kids who smashes the triangle blocks in the circular holes you get me

[thorny steeple]

Do you realise this sort of attitude is what leads to a lot of suffering, even suicide? It doesn't seem very compassionate or empathetic. Isn't the whole point of your religion to make you a better person for having followed your god?

[sonic terrace]

I really want to be discussing but I'm too tired rn lol

[thorny steeple]

Yes, we can. You didn't answer my question, you just indirectly restated the opposite of my question.

[thorny steeple]

yes, I agree that homosexuality is rationally abnormal.

Why is it abnormal?

[sonic terrace]

everything is a creation , a creature
But not all of them are animals

[formal scaffold]

how can you type "follow" and then say all of that? if i don't follow god should I follow you instead?

[sonic terrace]

Like here we're putting ourselves on another argument!

[thorny steeple]

It's quite literally normal, by definition.

[thorny steeple]

I don't want anyone to 'follow' me. I'm not sure where that came from.

[sonic terrace]

you answered yourself mate.
More advanced => more status

[twin glacier]

this is wholesome

[umbral escarp]

Hi

[formal scaffold]

toleration has its places, I don't tolerate sinning ty

[thorny steeple]

Perhaps it depends how you define an animal. I suppose you see an animal as less-than; inferior.

[thorny steeple]

that's a different question, could you first answer my question about your source of morality? I'm happy to answer yours though, but after we reach a conclusion on the first discussion.

[thorny steeple]

Then don't sin. Problem solved. If someone else wants to do something different, that's up to them and not you.

You're not the lord of all of mankind.

You do you, basically.

[sonic terrace]

Respectfully , but if we were animals we could've not been able to chat right now...

[formal scaffold]

that applies on every muslim so your saying all muslims should do that, therefore you go back to the first thing I said thx

[umbral escarp]

Technically seen we animals

[sonic terrace]

They're pushing their ideologies on kindergarten children, what's the excuse for that?

[thorny steeple]

I can't believe a whole group of people have come together to decide what other people should do with their own lives in their own bedroom between two consenting adults. This seems like madness, to me.

[umbral escarp]

What Ideologie you mean

[thorny steeple]

I wanna make sure you understand the atheistic evolutionist view of the world, it views us humans as very advanced animals, in the sense that we share a common ancestor with animals, that's why it's logical for @OSM that we are animals, yet we can chat and have intellectual discussions etc etc...

[formal scaffold]

if you understand it like this then you missed what we are saying

saying smthing is sin isn't deciding for people is beliving it's punishible by god

and any sin also can be unhealthy or bad for humans

which is why it's prohibited

[sonic terrace]

I am aware of that , and that doesn't make any sense for many reasons..

Like , if me and that animal had the same ancestor, why would i become more advanced than him?

[thorny steeple]

Lol Sorry, I can't deal with this. This is just too nonsensical and silly to me, and I kinda feel like y'all need a 'reality check'. In order to remain even slightly charitable, I have to disengage. 👋

[formal scaffold]

cool you incriminated us of smth that we didn't do and then you take yr leave 👏🏾

I hope you can understand that we didn't mean that that's all I'm seeking through this

[sonic terrace]

Even though we both met

[formal scaffold]

god bless

[umbral escarp]

I dont understand why people think lgbtq is abnormal

[sonic terrace]

Alr I'm tired and sleepy

Salam Alaikum

[formal scaffold]

walikom a salam

[thorny steeple]

I agree, evolution is not "well established" theory as many people think, and I strongly consider it a myth.

[formal scaffold]

it has many holes to be established as truth

[sonic terrace]

🤝

[formal scaffold]

every movement got a bit of reason to it which is why people follow it, but sometimes they do take it to the extreme

feminist can be right or toxic, muslim can be right or toxic ... yada yada

every freedom got a radius that if you trespass it you end up stepping on other people's freedom

[thorny steeple]

my apologies if any of my questions or claims have been nonsensical to you, perhaps if we could continue (with patience) our discussion you'd find them more rational than they might appear at first glance.

I love science, rationality, and logic, I don't like people rushing to assume that my arguments are nonsensical, irrational, or illogical.
when having a discussion, I hope all parties become a bit more empathetic so that they don't provoke each other, or 'cause them discomfort, the discussion wouldn't yield anything positive if we don't become a bit empathetic towards each other.

[thorny steeple]

Alikum Assalmu Warahamtulahi Wabarakatuhu. 🤍

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple
I truly like you and respect you as a person, despite our differences and disagreements, here is a flower for you my friend. 🌷
and I hope one day you understand the religion of Islam the right way, and perhaps become a Muslim yourself, not by anyone imposing the religion on you or anything, but by your own will.

[cosmic thicket]

Hello flare

[thorny steeple]

Hi! 👋

[cosmic thicket]

Whats up

How your day is treating u

[thorny steeple]

my day is going great Alhamdulillah, can't complain, although I've got a lot on my plate, between college and work, sometimes the tasks get out of hands honestly, but generally, Alhamdulillah.
how about you my friend?

[cosmic thicket]

Also me,studying will make me unconscious

I have finished my h.w

But i still have to study geographic

[cosmic thicket]

Tomorrow at school i will study it

[thorny steeple]

ah, I can relate. here is one tip I can share with you, try to ask questions about everything in the subject, perhaps teaching it to yourself could motivate you to do so, and don't forget to use your imagination so that you can picture concepts in your mind, this personally consolidates my understanding of subject, it works like a charm.

[thorny steeple]

all the best my friend. 🤜 🤛

[cosmic thicket]

Oh,thank you for this tip,i will use it from now on.

[cosmic thicket]

You can also try to study(if you have an exam)the hardest thing or lesson first

[cosmic thicket]

It is my tip if u dont know it

[thorny steeple]

I see, thank you very much for this tip! ✨

[vocal hearth]

I have been sick for the past 3 days. Does anyone know a good way to finish the schoolwork I missed?

[jolly agate]

you already know the answer to that question.

[vocal hearth]

?

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hc7ncjTo5G0?feature=share

[thorny steeple]

Are you able to ask your teacher to give you some more time so you can finish the work?

[vocal hearth]

Good idea. Thank you! 😊

[devout shale]

Clickbaiters have no shame

[thorny steeple]

I want to discuss something where one person is speaking seriously while the other wants to have fun. These two paths are divergent, and if followed persistently, they will grow further apart. That's why, in my opinion, we should show care and empathy to both sides and not solely focus on fun. What I mean is, when one person is serious and the other seeks amusement, the one inclined towards humor should seek a partner who shares that inclination.

[pallid surge]

Chickens for KFC

[lusty zenith]

Why doesn't the serious guy try to have more fun

[deep loom]

That's a good point lol.
Both of them have to adjust if they want to have a conversation together.

[main bison]

@stiff palm

hey man

Is that true scotland want to leave uk?

[glad patio]

yea, its not really gone any further

[civic reef]

Because he is a phò

And doesnt like phở

those two are correlated because if you feed phở to a phò then she will just melt and burn, it destroys the evil

[static hare]

man ended the debate

professional debaters please debate about SOMETHING i just wanna see how yall debate

[jolly agate]

cucumbers aint green, they are pink

[static hare]

ahh yeshhh very very pink indeed

[jolly agate]

what if green is just the name we use to describe cucumber real color could be pink

[static hare]

big brain

unfalsifiable

[jolly agate]

😂.😂

[static hare]

[thorny steeple]

What native speakers think about Accesent of Slavoj Zizek?

[thorny steeple]

Oh, he seems to have a lisp or something.

[thorny steeple]

We can determine the color of things by the frequency of light, so it is as falsifiable as that allows. Assuming we all agree on what „green“ means.

[thorny steeple]

Has he got strong slavic accesent? Can you understand hım?

[thorny steeple]

I'm not all that familiar with those accents, but it definitely seemed strong. The main thing I noticed was the lisp, unfortunately. I understood him, based on the short clip I saw.

[thorny steeple]

İ suppose Zizek is a evidence of that if we had to make a choice between fluency and accesent we mjst choice fluency

Provided that accent didn't too badly interfere with the listener's ability to understand the speaker, I would agree.

If the point of language is to allow one to communicate, then it's a problem when one's accent is to the detriment of communication.

I agree

[formal scaffold]

granted

[thorny steeple]

I am finding a patner to improve my speaking English.
Anyone can help me?

[ornate siren]

@peak girder I mean, take logos for example. It involves building logical arguments. But on the other hand, ethos and pathos, both entail several conclusions that are themselves logically fallacious, don't you see, like the argumentum ad verecundiam for the former (which I was talking about) and the argumenta ad misericordiam and ad hominem in case of the second. Also, people are prone to the argumentum ad populum too, and in most cases the veracity of an argument or a fact is measured based on this. These are all informal fallacies, yet, indeed, they are the driving forces of dialectics. Another case where the human brain disagrees with logic, isn't it?

[sonic terrace]

I'll ping you when i get in a debate

[sonic terrace]

Maybe your screen color settings are different

[peak girder]

I do agree although it has been proven that using techniques like ethos and pathos enable you to bring your point in a way that makes you (the debator), more likeable and since the human brain cannot compute information without bias like a computer, I believe both are relevant

Because you can be right

[hazy zealot]

Hello ! How would you translate "I'm sure you're buzzing for your exams to be over" ?

I'm having trouble to understand "buzzing"

[peak girder]

But if you are annoying/moralising, not many will be on your side

[peak girder]

Exited

[hazy zealot]

Thanks a lot !