🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

It sounds like you're shopping for a religion. 😆 Have you looked into Buddhism? Apparently that's an interesting one.

[toxic jay]

The latest is Islam isn’t?

[formal scaffold]

according to those who believe in it

[thorny steeple]

I'll be back later.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8RIDwj3Gxs

[abstract cypress]

Buddhism rejects the soul. I'm not too comfortable with it

I prefer Judaism to Buddism since Judaism in Ecclesiastes also claims the mundanity of all things but stresses the soul and God

[warped scroll]

Most merciful, no need to eat or drink etc. It must be that otherwise what's the difference between baby killer and God like people do currently?

[abstract cypress]

Yes. If god wants to kill babies, since he is god, he can do it. The god of every religion has killed people for not believing in them.

[formal scaffold]

if that's the god you aspire to worship, then go ahead, I'm sure he'll offer you a tank peacekeeper

[abstract cypress]

Ares, Kali, Horus, Adonai, Allah, &c. all commanded killings

so I don't really care since if I believe in one the rest will try to getme

[warped scroll]

Not innocent babies

[formal scaffold]

Imagine a country without army, it's almost impossible it's like imaginging smone with a tank pfp calling for peace

[warped scroll]

Now we discuss about which religion better Ha? Jewish dude change the topic? Your gov let you to be Jewish 😂

[formal scaffold]

remember if anyone come to harm you, call koholet for permission to defend yourself

[abstract cypress]

Your god tells you to kill unbelievers. Their crime is not believing in him. Pretty innocent if you ask me

[abstract cypress]

Does it help you if I change my pfp to barbie

[hot bison]

Do so

[formal scaffold]

you should change yours to barbie you don't like fighting back

[abstract cypress]

I don't like religious wars yeah

[formal scaffold]

xD

[formal scaffold]

if it was true you'd be dead by now buddy there are more than 2 bil muslim around the world

get yr fax right and read the context before pulling smth out of a book without showcasing the context

[thorny steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_vErKVr1yI

Just dropping in quickly to post this. Just listened to it all and found it quite unsurprising, but maybe y'all will have some interesting feedback. I'll check in later!

[warped scroll]

Picky selecter just detected

If they attack God let us to kill them Not like you bc you want

[toxic jay]

There is a tax to be paid for non believers ( as I know ) so no one will be killed

By non believers **

[abstract cypress]

Thank God I live in new york ig

[abstract cypress]

I don't think there's any justifiable context to kill people who have left your religion to be unbelievers

[hot bison]

Education is the key element. Which you lack. You are making a conclusion based on something you have heard and not studied.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qT6aMselmRA

[hot bison]

Guy was so chill about it. I wonder if it was the sleeping effects or he was chill in general

[abstract cypress]

Explain to me the justification in killing apostates?

[abstract cypress]

I meet him everyday he's chill

(The rat)

[warped scroll]

You should search more "I think"

[abstract cypress]

My search concludes that it's the legal punishment from your god

[formal scaffold]

Most arguments that i've seen has this same issue, using the word with their proper definition, if he knew you the definition of the word muslim he wouldn't have to make a vedio and call for a patreon and make money out of a joke of a vedio that even I "a nobody" can answer too

[formal scaffold]

wherever you are you can't be safe of some bs you know

[abstract cypress]

I was proselytized by a muslim and a mormon on the same day once so you're right

and an evangelical too but he lost interest quickly

[hot bison]

I'd if I was educated on the matter. If you seek something you search it. Simple. At this point you are asking me to justify according some turn of event or to justify it by the context which I myself am not awear of. But there are people who will argue with you and defend their point of view rightfully so.

[formal scaffold]

now i understand why you got that tank

[formal scaffold]

I've got a lot of them in my city and they are well and alive

[warped scroll]

"I think" you should share us

[formal scaffold]

in any case i didn't hear of anyone who did became and apostate and died

[deep loom]

Surah 9:5, “When the forbidden (4) months of Islamic calendar have passed, then fight the polytheistic wherever you find them, capture them, besiege them, and prepare for them each, and every ambush. But if they repent, offer prayers perfectly, and give obligatory charity, then leave their way free. Surely Allah is forgiving merciful.”

Surah 9:29, “ Fight against those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the last day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and Allah's messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) among the people who were given the scriptures, until they pay the security tax willingly, and feel themselves subdued.”

Surah 2:216, “Fighting (in Allah's cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it. It may be that you dislike a thing and it is good for you, and it may be that you like a thing and it us bad for you. Allah knows, but you do not know.”

Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)."

[toxic jay]

We don’t know the real story behind each Sorah

[warped scroll]

We discuss with Osm Jewish fck our logical conversation

[toxic jay]

To kill them whenever you find them”.. maybe there was a fight between both parties and this is the reason behind Sorah

[deep loom]

Yes Idk, these are some of the verses i randomly found on Google. Based on the context they might mean differently, I can't certainly judge without reading the Qur'an.

[formal scaffold]

each of the ayat were sent either for that time of period incident or for the whole world later one it depends on context, example: "don't approach alchool when you are praying", " don't consume alchool" are a bit contradictory until you get the chronological order of the book and the context and to whom are the orders to

[unkempt mist]

2-3 verses before the killing verse, states that this is about a specific group of people.

People who breaks treaty with you

[deep loom]

Okay, thanks but I have a question. Why is it easier for an ex Christian to live in a Christian community but very difficult for an ex muslim to live in an Islamic community?

[unkempt mist]

Because Because Arabs are a very harsh society

[deep loom]

I'm friends with 1-2 ex-muslims living in an Islamic majority country and they're afraid to come out as an ex muslim fearing evacuation, persecution and even death

[deep loom]

Oh but why is that? Isn't it because they blindly follow the literal Qur'an? Or Qur'an has nothing to do with their behaviour?

[unkempt mist]

I am a Turkish and ex Muslim. And I don't have a problem with Turkish islam community

[hot bison]

Expressing yourself and believing something in your mind is different.

[unkempt mist]

This is about culture, not religion

[deep loom]

Oh good for you, my friend is from Algeria and an ex muslim but he can't disclose that he stopping believing in Islam even infront of his family.

[deep loom]

Yes but how is it related now

[unkempt mist]

Yes, this is a common problem in countries where Islam is radical.

[deep loom]

Okay, probably.

But won't things be very particular and harsh for non believers and ex believers under Sharia law?

[deep loom]

Sadly.

[unkempt mist]

In Turkey there is l organizations that takes ex Muslims Turkey from Sheria countries

[toxic jay]

It’s embarrassing more than fearness feeling coz i guess most of the community and his family are muslims

[hot bison]

I believe you are mixing concepts. As you mentioned your friend is incapable of expressing the fact that he for whatever reason has decided to leave his religion; to his family. He is capable of believing in whatever he told you he believes in. But he is not allowed by the structures of the society to express himself. Or he will be deprived from legal right (rightfully so according to their laws). Hence in conclusion, he has already left it. Nobody can read your mind after all.. (hopefully)

--
This Auto correct will kill me eventually.

[deep loom]

Oh that's interesting to know.

[unkempt mist]

If your friend gets into trouble with religious issues, you can inform its about this kind of solution.

[deep loom]

Both.

[deep loom]

Yes he had left it, but like you said in mind he has the freedom like everyone of us, but structurally he's unable to show that he left Islam, he still does all the prayers celebrates eids, fasts, gives zakat and all like a Muslim.

He didn't have the freedom to show it outwardly.

[deep loom]

Yes I surely will. Thanks for the new information.

[hot bison]

We never have freedom in our lives. Freedom is an idealistic concept which is used to delude individuals from discovering the fact that we are always under control. In this server if I say anything offensive to homosexual people I get banned. In the west if I refuse to serve these degenerate people i may be paying fines or imprisoned.
Countries are similar when it comes to implementing laws according to their customs. Hence there is no freedom. And in my personal opinion your friend must research and understand this that he may or may not be in wrong and make proper decisions accordingly.

[deep loom]

Okay understood, thanks.
Altho some countries relatively have more freedom, but it depends on various things.

[thorny steeple]

well what do you consider freedom to be?

[stiff star]

But on the other hand, the question arises as to what complete freedom of action and thought will lead to. For me, the answer is simple. Such freedom is nothing but anarchy)

[thorny steeple]

its more of a construct to be or not to be

what does it means to be free

[deep loom]

I can't define it correctly.😬

[thorny steeple]

well try it in your own view

[deep loom]

Uhm idk it depends on regarding what freedom I'll be talking about.

Freedom/free - being limitless, without restrictions, without feeling guilty or embarassed or etc.

Like freedom of speech - free to express (but then again excess of freedom of speech given to one person might be a problem to another person if this person uses his freedom of speech to hurt or harm him.)

Likewise freedom to do varies (one person's freedom to do something might be hazardous for another person.)

Sometimes one's freedom might be endangering another person's freedom. (I don't think I'm making any sense.)

[lavish finch]

This is the topic of the book On Liberty by John Stuart Mill.

[deep loom]

Basically when I talk about freedom in general.

Something which I or the other person have to carry on any task freely. ( Given that these tasks are not hazardous to me or to others.)

For example I must have the freedom to be a gay or asexual or heterosexual or to be a theist atheist or to live alone , to believe in witchcraft and so on

These kinda freedoms are relatively acceptable in some countries and not at all acceptable in some other countries.

So the freedom is varying on degrees depending the country they live in or with they culture/traditions they're surrounded with.

[deep loom]

Thanks, never knew that. If possible I'll try to go through it one day.

[lavish finch]

#esl-material message

[outer berry]

HI

[formal scaffold]

some countries do pretend that they practice that from the first world yet their mask fall off when it goes against their normes and tradictions, it's all about perspectives with freedom really either have an obsolute freedom or respect each countries laws and regulation for freedom

so basically** freedom is relative to your normes and traditions**

[harsh echo]

hi everyone, can we talk about palestine and israel

the source of this problems ..

and why usa support israel

[formal scaffold]

I doubt their are the main source of this problems, let's say i can nuke both countries if i do would you think the world won't have those things?

[deep loom]

Yes I agree with that.

[harsh echo]

i think the real reason is balcanizer
the arabe countries

who's agree white me

[formal scaffold]

some turkish people

[harsh echo]

why

[formal scaffold]

bc of the refugees

[harsh echo]

hhh okey

for you, what is the relation between turque and l'ue

the European Union

[formal scaffold]

it's complicated

[harsh echo]

the geopolitik is here hahaha

[harsh echo]

like

exemple please

[formal scaffold]

Turkie is part of NATO

[harsh echo]

yes i know

[formal scaffold]

but turkie tried to "stand with" Syria

[harsh echo]

to kill curd

it very simple bro

[formal scaffold]

excuse my curiousity Are you curdish?

[harsh echo]

nop

moroccan

but i know what happened in this small world

and you

[formal scaffold]

Algerian I do relate what I hear here and there but idk shiznet about politics

[harsh echo]

pleased to meet uu bro

you like mathematique

[formal scaffold]

I didn't study that since 2013

[harsh echo]

hhh

see you bro

by

https://tenor.com/view/slide-bye-kid-im-out-gif-26616755

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4lzJCx4sTWA?feature=share

[tepid hornet]

hello, @formal scaffold
nice to meet you

[dusky cedar]

Hola

What is this channel about?!

[humble lion]

Dating

[dusky cedar]

Oh really?!

I don't think so

[humble lion]

Nope

[zinc jewel]

Guys I should say “ what is your…” or “what are your…”
Or its depends on the sentence ?

[deep loom]

Discussions group i guess.
Like you can ask your questions or share your opinions and the other person will answer and share their pov.

[deep loom]

Depends on the sentence I guess.

Like what is your name/what is your address/what's your favourite song etc
And What are your qualifications/What are your hobbies etc

(To ask about a singular thing we use is, to ask about plural things we use are. In the simple present tense.)

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[craggy sphinx]

hello
for more information - #📚｜english-questions

[craggy sphinx]

you can't just say that.

for example in a sentence: is this your car? used "is" because it is singular

are these your things?
"are" - because it's plural

[craggy sphinx]

hello
on this channel you can share your ideas and criticize. criticism is welcome because it is the engine of progress.

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[outer berry]

hi

[dusky cedar]

Oh I see
TNX

[dusky cedar]

Oh awesome TNX.

[deep loom]

You're very welcome.

[hot bison]

This phenomenon is not absolute. But what might come near our perception of it; is Financial freedom.

Or in other words. Our Financial ability that allows us to travel and experience more. And to learn more.

[hot bison]

You are correct. You may notice that all basic crimes have punishment in order to deter individuals from causing disorder. Such as stealing and homicide (regardless of the punishment imposed by the law). But on the other hand you will notice how biased the law is in many cases. In this case when you may not escape from the punishment; you will hire a lawyer to render an interpretation of the law to a judge (or to buy him according to your country). Hence releasing you from a legislated punishment. Once again the financial freedom allows you to escape the law or reduce the punishment to a huge extent. (Message above)

One of the examples I may give you is the labour law which varies in different countries. In some cases these regulations consider employers to be responsible in a single case while other countries may say employee is responsible. But as I mentioned earlier the financial freedom allows you to in a way manipulate the system.

Not to necessarily corrupt. Because the process of legislation "always" has a flaw

[thorny steeple]

is was and were a verb?

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple need your help

I searched this

I painted all verbs I think

I hate lesson of english

If I wrong the lesson I will stay angry

[thorny steeple]

I thought they were, but actually, they're apparently not. 🤨 I'm confused, honestly. Apparently they're classed as linking verbs, but as far as I'm concerned, that's a type of verb. ChatGPT insists it's not a verb, even though it says it's a linking verb. I guess it's just insisting on defining them as strictly a different category from 'verb'.

[thorny steeple]

It will all be worth it.

[thorny steeple]

true mate english is the language of the future mate

[civic reef]

They are verbs, exactly as you say, not only in english, but they are also verbs in other european languages like my native (which is polish, the verb is być) and german (their verb is sein)

[thorny steeple]

well ai mate its not to the pase of being advanced enough mate

[civic reef]

you have not highlighted every verb here, you left "are" in the first sentence, and "love" in the last sentence

[thorny steeple]

Ja genau so wie ich mir gedacht hatte! 😆 Exactly as I was thinking. Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I misplaced some braincells or something.

[thorny steeple]

It's not as good as we'd like, but it's still very useful. I think one just needs to learn how to use it effectively, but even then, it's still not at all a perfect system.

BTW, you're saying 'mate' too much. 😉 I appreciate the sentiment, but when you repeatedly say it like that, it comes off as a disingenuous. Better to know now, than be given the 'cold shoulder' years later. 😆

[hot bison]

Studying English Grammer as a foreigner is a pure nightmare

[thorny steeple]

I bet! I've had similar struggles with German, although there are some similarities between German and English.

[civic reef]

ich glaube mich, dass ich das verstehen kann

i dont even speak german too well, am polish, but my family is polish-german so

[thorny steeple]

😄 Gut verstanden.

I'm on Duolingo going over some old German stuff I learned years ago. Is quite fun. They've really improved Duolingo!

[thorny steeple]

yes mate take it easy ik what you meant its just something that with you want mean to blimey mate isntead im fine with mate

[civic reef]

have you lived in deutschland already or not so much, youre british and i think since the UK left the union the passports from england might have been excluded from the direct travel across european countries, although am very unsure about that

[thorny steeple]

try youtube and spotify those work too

[thorny steeple]

I've never been to Deutschland, unfortunately.

[thorny steeple]

Ja, diese hab ich schon ausprobiert.

[hot bison]

DuoLingo have taught me a little bit of German. I can confidently say I won't starve in germany😂

[thorny steeple]

Was ist die Währung des Vereinigten Königreichs und wie funktioniert sie?

[civic reef]

well thats quite a pity since you seem to speak it somehow, why dont you try living there one day

[thorny steeple]

😆 und kannst du immer ein Bier kaufen? 😛 Das wichtigste, natuerlich.

[hot bison]

Ja

😂😂😂😂

[thorny steeple]

Das kann ich leider nicht. It's not on the cards for me, at least not anytime soon. Eine lange Geschichte.

[thorny steeple]

Was bedeutet die Waehrung? Das Wort weiß ich noch nicht.

[thorny steeple]

im Gegensatz zu den USA, wo man erst mit 21 Jahren ein Bier kaufen kann

[thorny steeple]

Währung = currency the money they use in the uk

[civic reef]

flatthetime bist du deutsch lol

[thorny steeple]

Aso, danke. Wir benutzen das Pfund (GBP). We have notes and coins, as most countries do. 1p, 2p, 5p, 10p, 20p, 50p, £1, and £2. After that, it's notes (paper).

The notes are £5, £10, £20, etc.

[thorny steeple]

warum heißen die Münzen dann Pence?

[thorny steeple]

Keine Ahnug.

[civic reef]

it kinda reminded me of something, well, since you are british, maybe thats a little bit controversial but i wanna ask, do you think british people are happy the UK isnt an european union member anymore?

[thorny steeple]

Aso, weil 100 Pence ein Pfund entsprechen.

[thorny steeple]

Not sure, because I don't really keep up to date with politics and the whole us vs them mentality.

[civic reef]

so you dont even have an opinion on whether thats good or not

[thorny steeple]

I don't know enough about it to warrant an opinion, to be honest.

I hear bits and pieces from people, but I don't know what's true about it all.

I guess if I do have an opinion, it's that I feel like Brexit was a bad idea, because splitting apart seems like a bad idea. OK, that was a horrendous circular argument. 😆 Basically, I think it's best for a group of people to stick together — basic survival. But, I don't know any better.

[civic reef]

okay i see, same for me, i mean, it doesnt seem good to me because i could be a potential migrant to the UK, and since they left the union, the visas and employment opportunities for europeans are not as easy to get as they used to be before, but well the decision has been made

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, there's also that. There were knock-on effects which I think most people here didn't consider when they voted for it.

[thorny steeple]

what type of brit are you

[civic reef]

i hope you are the type of brit who doesnt run around naked after overdosing alcohol in a pub

[thorny steeple]

I suppose that depends what you actually mean by that.

[thorny steeple]

🙄 That's like saying "I hope you're not the type of American who runs out yelling how great Trump is and pewpewing guns" or something. 😆

[thorny steeple]

oh my goodness

But no, I'm not that type of Brit. For the record, I've never seen someone run around naked after overdosing on alcohol. The most I've done with booze is got wasted and fell asleep on a bench on the way home. 😆 I was young at the time.

this brit humor is quite good

[thorny steeple]

ik ik

[civic reef]

Do you know how many freedom eagles is one kilometer? More than entire walmart filled with obese new yorkers

[thorny steeple]

I'm afraid that joke was lost on me. I have no idea what a freedom eagle is.

[thorny steeple]

i understand since im not a person born in the usa i was born on the outside so too

[civic reef]

i was kinda referencing to one thing in that message with "naked brits after alcohol", its basically that some of them come to my country as tourists, and they use the fact that alcohol is cheap here compared to the UK, so they spend a lot on prostitutes and drinks, and end up naked somewhere on the street

which is quite problematic since police has to somehow manage them lmao, i swear some people here hate british accent because of those people, it reminds them of drunk tourists

this whole situation is quite ridiculous in practice, especially if there is some fat british dude staggering around and singing in heavy british accent, but yeah it happens sometimes, especially in Kraków (thats the name of the city)

[thorny steeple]

Really? Bloody hell. No wonder you thought that was a thing here, and maybe it is, but certainly not that I've seen. 😆

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I bet. We're not all like that, trust me. Most of us have no desire to end up naked and wasted on some random street.

[thorny steeple]

I guess cheap booze attracts all the weirdos, wherever you they come from. 😆

[civic reef]

haha yeah, thats exactly why i asked that, but honestly its not like its only the british who are bad tourists, polish people often go to the UK and some of them work in very low-paid jobs, later they may end up being rude to the locals and just cause disruption in some way

actually I think polish is spoken quite widely in the UK, more than you'd think, because there is a lot of polish expats, some of them get assimiliated, some of them do not and they eventually come back

[formal scaffold]

I'd make my own alchool if I want cheap booz

[echo sorrel]

Not many people ig.

[thorny steeple]

hello guys! 👋

[unkempt wharf]

Hi @thorny steeple

can you help me?

[thorny steeple]

damn. many messages attempting to challenge Islam, well challenge accepted. although I'm not going to be able to respond to every single message, I'll respond to the most notable and the ones that my eyes lay on.

[thorny steeple]

sure, what is it?

[unkempt wharf]

I did exercise with Past Simple and Past Continuous. And i had example: When we (arrive) at night, everybody(steep) in thew rooms. I did it like this: "When we arrived at night, everybody were sleeping in their rooms". But chatgpt said that it is incorrect answer. He said that correct form is: When we arrived at night, everybody was sleeping in their rooms. Why is the correct form? I thought that "everybody" is group people (plural) and I have to write "were".

[thorny steeple]

I can help you out and then respond to the other people.

[unkempt wharf]

I hope that you understand what i mean

[thorny steeple]

the word "everybody" is considered a singular noun, that's why we treated as such. when we say "everybody" we indicate a group of people individually, meaning that we are attributing or describing each one of them separately.

that's the reason you find the word "every" in "everybody", 'cause it denotes separation, much like when I say "every single one of them", here I'm separating a group individually and then generalizing.

[unkempt wharf]

Alright. Now I understand. Thank you for help ❤️

[thorny steeple]

yes, your question was clear, and it's a very valid question, many people get confused about these type of words that appear like plural but in reality they are considered singular, such as "everyone", "everybody" etc etc...

[thorny steeple]

no problem my friend. 🤍

so back to my response.

[unkempt wharf]

This is weird, but you're right

[thorny steeple]

about the main point of the video:
the verse says "O People of the Book! Why do you argue about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until long after him? Do you not understand?" [Quran 3:65], the context of this verse's revelation was an incident where Jews and Christian Priests (or religious people, like Rabbis etc...) gathered, each of them argued that Abraham was a practicing Jew or Christian, the verse was revealed to point out the obvious flaw in their argumentation due to the fact that these were revelations that came after his death and for specific era and specific people.
now, that doesn't apply to Islam, 'cause Quran never claimed Abraham affiliated to Islam as a religion (which was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be upon him), the word "مسلم" in the verse 67 in the same Surah is followed by "حنيفاً" which means "inclined to move or do faultlessly", the word "Muslim" essentially means the one who submits his will to Allah Almighty the one and only.
the claim is basically absurd and not new at all, the response to that can be found in Tafsir books such as "Ahkam al-Qur’an" by al-Jassas who died 981 AD, in fact, most of the nowadays doubts (if not all) have gotten cleared up long ago by all major Muslim scholars throughout history, what we see now is just a repetition of them, perhaps they already read these books and cherry pick the suspicions while covering up the responses which would refute them, in which case it would be an intellectual dishonesty, 'cause many people don't have access to these books and/or not so knowledgeable about the Islamic science (especially non-Muslims).

[echo sorrel]

Whoa.

[thorny steeple]

about the subsidiary points:

1. burning the Quran (the book, commonly known as "Mushaf", you can't burn the actual revelation) is not permissible, the only exception being when the Mushaf is kind of worn and in a really bad state.
2. any Muslim would be utterly intolerant with any insult, disrespect, or mockery to either, Allah Almighty, the prophet Muhammad (PBUH), his companions, his wives, and most of the Islamic scholars, so don't expect Muslims to reply calmly and peacefully when this red line is crossed.
3. yes, most of the doubts and suspicions in Islam are due to devil whispers, doesn't mean we don't respond to them and clear them up tough. you can obviously think critically about Islamic matters, it's done all the time, especially in Hadith fields of science, and it's done by the Islamic scholars, in fact, the most respected and well-rooted Islamic scholars were the ones who were the most critical thinkers in the sense that they examine almost everything.
4. Allah is all-knowing and is not flawed like humans, one of his 99 names is "Almutakbir" meaning the one who's clear from creatures' attributes and from resembling them, therefore, he'll constantly point out the flaws in humans such as "don't you use your intellect" or "don't you understand" etc etc... this is not a form of arrogance in the sense that he's exaggerating his importance or abilities, all creatures gain their importance from him only.
5. Allah is not offended by any belief, actually he already said in the same exact Surah (chapter) "...And whoever disbelieves, then surely Allah is not in need of ˹any of His˺ creation" [3:97]. many verses can be found where Allah clearly states that he aids people who desire to astray to astray further, so he is not in any way offended or in need of any act of worship.

sorry for being verbose, there is no easy concise way to address doubts like these. 😅

I'm gonna head back to the project I'm currently working on and see if I later can respond to other doubts and suspicions.

[oak spire]

[atomic sentinel]

hey guys, I could use your help with an English project of mine.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1G8GnF6z92WskDvY2Z7y3ORmmDoDehrwp7qXj-oznLL0/edit

Please fill this out if you have the time, its a survey for us to collect choices made on the face of conflicting interests.

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[drowsy plinth]

What's the difference between
"That's nice!"
And
"That's incredible!"

Like on how you use it

[novel violet]

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[craggy sphinx]

what's npc

[formal scaffold]

Its an issue of definition, "surely the only accepted relegion for god is islam", the word islam include every prophet from god from adam to mohammed, the word christian in quran "nassara"means allies, as in allies of jesus who were muslim nassara until the corruption of the book, the word israelis "followers of israel" who were muslim jews until they weren't.

But in that vedio he uses his own definition of islam....

[formal scaffold]

Non playable character in games, its mainly used to refer to people who follows blindly or who has no personality

[thorny steeple]

non-playable/non-player character.

[craggy sphinx]

wtf why am I an npc

[formal scaffold]

Its an insult

[formal scaffold]

Azul flawen

[thorny steeple]

yes, except these words are not loosely defined, I'm inclined to believe that the boy in the video is ignorant, these are basic Islamic knowledge, I learned them at a young age. I don't understand how and why would someone challenge Islam with such a weak argument that only requires basic knowledge to debunk.

[formal scaffold]

Ikr

[thorny steeple]

perhaps the targeted audience are people who have zero knowledge about Islam.

[formal scaffold]

But it works on those who ignore those basic knowledge, most apostate don't know"el fatiha" and they dare say they know islam

I do believe most relegion were based on islam

[thorny steeple]

Lol, yes, I remember one time when someone told me he's an ex muslim and he knows Arabic etc etc... then I asked him how many Rakat in suhoor, he kept evading the question. any 8 years old Muslim would know suhoor is not a prayer. 😂

[thorny steeple]

The more correct way to say it would be islam is based on most religions since it's the latest abrahamic religion.

[formal scaffold]

According to your belief

In the vedio he was using the book to contradict itself if u are to use the book abide by its rule not use it when its convient then include yr own belief and pin it on it

[fossil condor]

Ok guys, so i need a help. So is there any person who can speak English & Mandarin fluently? I need someone to become my friend, translator and tutor hahahahaha

Just to chill out together maybe if you feel lonely hahahahaha

[orchid totem]

Why has there been a huge change in the attitude of Europeans towards Jews

[craggy sphinx]

[formal scaffold]

Compared to the middle ages? Bc britain got tired of'em so they got rid of them ig

[craggy sphinx]

@dragon67667 I challenge you.

[orchid totem]

？

[formal scaffold]

If u are asking about the current situation i'm not familiar with it

[deep loom]

How has it changed?
Favouring Jews or Not Favouring Jews?

[orchid totem]

favour

[deep loom]

Oh Okay.

[thorny steeple]

Because people often falsely conflate the actions of some to those of the whole.

Examples of this form of ignorance:

• Some white people are racist, therefore all white people are racist.
• Nazis were predominantly German, therefore all Germans are evil.
• Some Jews have dome bad things, therefore all Jews are bad.
• Some men are misogynists, therefore all men are misogynists.

It's a non sequitur, to say the least. It's like saying some animals fly, therefore all animals fly. If the vast majority of a people are a given way, then you might bee able to inductively argue that it's likely the next of such a person will be that way, but it doesn't mean it's a given. Hate is easy, basically.

[crude glade]

Aight

Let's get serious

[deep loom]

What does this picture depict?

[orchid totem]

hhhh

[orchid totem]

bro This is too ironic

You call not supporting Jews anti Semitism

Are you referring to the United States or Europe

The United States has turned opposition to Zionism into anti Semitism

[thorny steeple]

I did no such thing in the message to which you're responding. I'm not sure why you feel the need to debate this. I'm pretty sure I presented my case just fine. Whether black, white, Jewish, or a unicorn, the attribute, state, or action of some should not necessarily be conflated with those of the whole. I've demonstrated why, I've shown the logic is clearly flawed. If you wish to beat against the drum of hate because it suits your ideology, then OK, but leave me out of it.

[orchid totem]

sure

[thorny steeple]

He did not. Quite the opposite, actually. If attribute x of some of group y doesn't define the whole of group y, then it would logically follow that condemning the some of group y who have attribute x, would not be condemning the whole of group y

Hence, condemning zionism and not being an antisemite are not mutually exclusive.

[thorny steeple]

Guys i need friends. Dm

[wicked ingot]

For what ?

[thorny steeple]

any W Israel in chat?

[formal scaffold]

X

Israel peace be upon him was a role model to humanity

[formal scaffold]

Haven't u found some in league??

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[wise fossil]

In your opinion, how does the medium (book, movie, oral, etc.) impact the storytelling experience?

[formal scaffold]

I might not be an expert on this, but my take on it is that it depends on the consumers, some might be disapointed by the illustration or performance of the actors so they rely on their imagination instead, some can't read story books bc they don't have enough imagination, so this mediums are meant for each category of people

Thus why I understand why people dislike AI animations, but I don't understand why they want to make a halt to it, people has taste and some of them don't care about that artistic choice, or even they like it, gotta accept taste that are diffrent than yours.

[civic reef]

@thorny steeple ive got a question and you might be the correct person to ask, english related id say, but not directly, could I ask you maybe

[thorny steeple]

I find that movies limit my ability to imagine, which could limit how I might add a personal touch to the characters, places, and objects in a story. However, for me it's best to watch a film, even at the cost of some imaginative flair I might attribute to a story, because I find it more engaging and it allows me to do other things at the same time, like practice the guitar, practice German, do some programming, get philosophical, etc.

[thorny steeple]

I can't promise I'll be able to help, but ask away.

[civic reef]

it is in #📚｜english-questions

[wise fossil]

What are some common barriers to effective communication, and how can they be overcome?

[formal scaffold]

one of the biggest challenge in communication that i find myself trapped into is considering what I believe is true as the standard, the truth, the logical understanding, while deciding the truth early before you communicate with others you'll find a hard time communicating, bc communication is basically and exchange of ideas between serval individuals, this ego is hard to deal with

also another point is caring about the consequences about what will I say more than needed, rather than speaking my heart out I try to manipulate others into thinking good of me, or good of what I think or believe in

i think you can overcome those by understanding yourself more, and accept the fact that you are but a kog in the whole system bigger it is or smaller, a kog is a kog you can't move the whole system on your own and if the whole world follow what you say the consequences wouldn't be as good as you imagine them to be since you can't be perfect,

[wise fossil]

Omg thank u for answering!!! I really love to read ppl thoughts

[thorny steeple]

@simple grove shata bro

[formal scaffold]

it's hard to be honest since you'd think that poeple might think ill of you, so instead you put barriers to protect yourself

[wise fossil]

U did it the best I like ur thoughts

[strong meteor]

Unpopular opinion: cars ruin cities

[deep loom]

Not so unpopular opinion I guess and yes they do.
But still they're necessary I think.

[thorny steeple]

the earth , is it flat or ellipsoid

[wise fossil]

In y’all opinion, is it possible to have a situation where both options in a dilemma are ethical?

[thorny steeple]

Well, it's definitely not flat. Ellipsoid sounds about right, if it means it's spherical in shape.

[thorny steeple]

no i dont agree with you

the earth is a cub

cube

[thorny steeple]

We will have to agree to disagree on that one.

[thorny steeple]

Of course. I'm going to town to buy milk, when someone pulls me to the side with a gun in my face. It turns out it's a man who's about to kill a woman. I can grab his gun to incapacitate him or hit his head hard enough that it knocks him down, also incapacitating him. In either case, I would have eliminated the threat and acted according to what is deemed ethical in most societies or cultures.

[wise fossil]

What role does risk-taking play in decision-making, and are you a risk-averse person?

[thorny steeple]

Many decisions we make in our day-to-day lives can involve taking risks, however small or large they might be. For example, when I decide to cross a busy street, I'm risking being hit by a car, knocked over by a cyclist, or a person simply walking into me.

I'm somewhat risk-averse, but, given the above example, I'm not entirely so.

[thorny steeple]

trust me i play minecraft and i know how evrything

[thorny steeple]

Ah, a nice appeal to... game logic, I guess. 😆

[thorny steeple]

It's an interesting question. What prompted it?

[cedar sage]

Huh

[cedar sage]

help you sound like a story I'd read in my English classes 😭

[wise fossil]

It just came to my mind so I wanted to share. I love read ppl thoughts of deep questions.

[thorny steeple]

😆 Sorry. Was there something you didn't understand?

[thorny steeple]

Awesome. Feel free to ask more. I like deep questions, too; I like philosophy.

[wise fossil]

I see. I have a lot of questions I wrote down I need check 🤠

[cedar sage]

No you're just talking very formally lol ( no hatee)

[swift basin]

Hi guys

[formal scaffold]

"It turns out it's a man who's about to kill a woman" didn't get this part

[swift basin]

Where are u from

[thorny steeple]

I've always found it strange when people point out the way I type, as though it were especially weird. 😆 It's just English! Even other native English speakers point it out.

[maiden path]

how can i be able to write a professional essay

[formal scaffold]

chatgpt

[cedar sage]

Yeah don't worry about it lol I guess people find it unusual to type formally while texting but I guess it doesn't really matter atleast you have good skills lol

[maiden path]

we are not alowed to use it

[cedar sage]

Use good techniques depends what ur writing about

[formal scaffold]

you are allowed to use it then make some adjustments

[wise fossil]

Oh damn I have a goon one. R u sure?

[maiden path]

brother we are not even allowed to use a translator

[cedar sage]

Chat gtp is good but it's not good for things like graded essays because they're meant to assess YOUR skill which will help you further so u shouldn't rlly use it unless u rlly need help with english

[formal scaffold]

got an alternative?

[maiden path]

argumentive essay

[thorny steeple]

Hi! It so happens that it's a man, and that man is about (just about; about to) kill a woman.

[cedar sage]

No just don't use AI because sometimes it's obvious lol

[formal scaffold]

i thought you were the one who got pulled point blank to get shot

[formal scaffold]

you can't refute smth if u ain't have an alternative

[maiden path]

is ur profile pict ellon musk?

[formal scaffold]

yee

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I did, but the image I had in mind was that I was pulled in by the man and held at gun point as well, just as he was about to kill the woman, presumably so I didn't go tell someone what I'd seen or something.

[maiden path]

he actually supports israel

[thorny steeple]

That's incorrect. You can refute something and are not required to give an alternative, although providing an alternative is the usual response, I find.

[cedar sage]

If it's an argumentative essay between 2 points then you should evaluate each point then weigh them up at the end. Maybe discuss the positive and negative impacts in the point (if it is something like geography or history) and what problems they could cause. ?

[formal scaffold]

idk what the women's part in here, u couldve made it only about yrself, self defense

[thorny steeple]

Yep, I'm sure! If they're weird, I'll just pass, otherwise, happy to answer.

[formal scaffold]

it's not an ability issue it's ethically incorrect

[cedar sage]

Alternative to what

You don't need ai to write an essay lol

[formal scaffold]

since everything is imprefect i can sit here and refute imprefect idea all day

the world is already working on risk taking activities

[wise fossil]

Does destiny exist? If so, why ppl say that we have a freedom and willing of choice when the fate assumes the predestination?

[formal scaffold]

ex: don't use men to work in dangerous situation,

[cedar sage]

Why am I a native English speaker yet I can barely make out some of the stuff yall are saying in here...

[formal scaffold]

since there's no alternative in some senarios the responsible is obliged to practice the best method in hand

comprende amigos?

[cedar sage]

I guess what they mean is that the choices you make will eventually lead to your predestination and you can't control that fact or have knowledge about it, it just happens.

[thorny steeple]

Again, I disagree. Perhaps it's a culture difference, but at least here there is no obligation or unethical implication from refuting an argument. It's really as simple as that. If it's more culturally acceptable in your culture to be required to provide a counterargument, that's fine.

[maiden path]

are u a teacher here?

[formal scaffold]

it's all around the world buddy

[cedar sage]

No I'm not a teacher why? Is this channel for teachers?

[thorny steeple]

An example of a situation showing it's not required to give a counterargument:

Person A: [presents argument for God]
Person B: [refutes argument]

Done.

[thorny steeple]

Evidently not.

[maiden path]

no i'm just curious about why do some natives join this server (pls don't misunderstand)

[thorny steeple]

Again, we can agree to disagree. I've said my part, at least. I'll leave it to others to decide.

[formal scaffold]

ever heard of doctors?

[thorny steeple]

Yes, of course.

[cedar sage]

Idk I guess I just wanna help people learn English, specifically casual every-day English or English for things like school essays. Idk lol (dw I didn't misunderstand it)

Oh also there are other langauge channels here which help me learn

[thorny steeple]

I like helping people. I joined to help people.

[maiden path]

so nice to hear

read*

[formal scaffold]

yr example of god goes like this:
A: I believe in god and I dedicate my life and i fill my heart with his belief,
B: i refute god and my alternative is being atheist so my alternative is following my free and the regulation of my country instead of following any relegious laws

[thorny steeple]

It was just an example. I was 'setting the scene', as they say.

[formal scaffold]

well in the context of problem solving it's irresponsible to refute a point without providing a better solution if it's the best there is and even if it's imprecfect than to refute it you should provide smth better

[thorny steeple]

You've simply provided an example of a counterargument, which in this context is irrelevant. I'm not actually here to debate right now. Just hanging out. Perhaps we should simply agree to disagree.

[formal scaffold]

that's logical there's no culture in that shiznet

[civic reef]

maybe not a native myself but i think i understand them, the questions that are being asked here are often quite basic or at least beginner-oriented, so i joined here to comment on them and maybe help, if the situation happens to allow me to do so with my current knowledge

[maiden path]

i swear this is the cutest black cat i've ever seen

[formal scaffold]

well i'll rephrase it in the least simple way, if you have a problem and you refute everysolution even staying idle is an alternative you picked, it's impossible that you won't make a choice

you'lll pick the solution you deem best

instead of just refuting

[wise fossil]

How can I productively learning words? I’ve been learning Eng for 5 years. I have great the accent, full of grammar. I would say I have enough good vocabulary for B2 BUT DAMN I can’t being fluently due to I feel I don’t have great vocabulary to express my thoughts. But I can’t purposely learn words, it gets unconsciously all the time. As for instant I remembered the word womanizer from the book WITH NO REASON FOR THE HElL, BRAIN, DO I NEED IT.

[thorny steeple]

We're not talking about refuting every solution. Your claim was that it's unethical, and apparently now also irresponsible, to not provide a counterargument when you're refuting an argument or claim. This is silly. I'll just chalk it up to cultural differences, because I just don't care right now to debate this.

[formal scaffold]

From now on don't use "He" to refer to me (I won't offer an alternative here)

[thorny steeple]

The only thing which comes to mind at the moment, is to learn at least a word every day. Perhaps have a small list of words you practice every day, and renew the list every week.

[maiden path]

maybe cuz u don't speak or write so much in english, like you have the word in your mind but you've just forgot the way to it.

[formal scaffold]

you don't need a womanizer more than a playboy or a rizzler a player a cat whisprer

[civic reef]

you may consider trying to read books in english, if you are not doing that already, e-books and audiobooks count as well of course, or listen to podcasts on daily basis

[wise fossil]

I speak every day

[formal scaffold]

a lady killer

[wise fossil]

Wow what

[maiden path]

what

[formal scaffold]

what else i got nothing on my mind rn

[formal scaffold]

all of them are synonymes to womanizer ig

I have a funny story I took my nephew to mc donalds showed him the menue and each time I suggest smth on the menue for him to eat and each time he refused that until I finished naming the whole menue then I suggest we leave for another place he said no then i suggest we stay until he think of a solution he said noooo i don't wanna wait, if u don't wanna wait maybe we should go somewhere else he said nooo (is this ethical? i asked for an alternative if they said he should try his best with his own vocab or he shouldn't hand his hw that'd make sense to me but to say yr not obliged to offer an alternative? if you have refuted my pov you surely compared it with smth else everything is relative in this world)

don't be like my nephew please

wrong and right is relative to smth weather it's logic or belief or law you can't deny relativity

[thorny steeple]

Your question got swept away by that disagreement earlier, sorry. I did scroll up to find it, because I was wondering whether you asked. 😆

I lean towards determinism, meaning that I think, in some way, everything we do seems to be or is possibly determined before our so-called 'free will' is given a chance to intervene. This doesn't mean we're not influenced, but IIRC, determinism states that we're in this case essentially carried away by the current.

I drink because of a series of impulses, all of which are largely or perhaps entirely out of my control, thanks to evolution. On a deeper level, I'm here to help people because helping people feels good. Helping people is often considered ethical, thus this action is a sign that someone is good. If I help people, I'm in-line with what is considered ethical by various cultures or groups of people, which makes me feel good. Being in-line with my 'tribe' improves my chances of survival, and that feels good. Survival is a fundamental driving force of a living organism, and feeling good is key to that, as I understand it.

I don't have any evidence of fate or predestination in order to feel especially compelled by that view.

"If so, why ppl say that we have a freedom and willing of choice when the fate assumes the predestination?"

Regarding this actual question. I imagine they are confused between determinism and fatalism, since fate and any sort of free will are not simultaneously possible, according to those views and my understand thereof. Unless fatalism is such that there are some things which are fated and the rest is left to free will and chance. There's something called compatibilism, which I believe is like determinism with free will; perhaps that's what they're referring to?

[thorny steeple]

Are you still banging on about this? I've already said I don't care to debate it, yet you went on tirade then used an ad hominem on me by equating me to a child? In poor taste.

Now it's my turn to question your character, as you've done mine. Your attitude stinks, frankly. Unwarranted, you've insulted me at least twice now today, and yes, I did notice your passive-aggressive indirect statement that I need a doctor because I don't see your view, which is frankly a rubbish way to put your point across. Sufficient reason should help me see your view, not petty school yard nonsense. If you can't construct a suitable argument or are unable to convince me of your assertions, then perhaps disengage from your discussion with me, so that we might save ourselves needless hassle.

I had thought we just about managed to get along previously, despite disagreeing several times, but perhaps you took my criticisms and counterarguments for your religious belief personally and felt as though I attacked you, or perhaps you think me a monster because I'm not raging against all Jews because of the actions of some. Whatever your issue with me is, kindly find a way to get over it, because I have nothing against you other than your attitude towards me over the last couple of days.

[formal scaffold]

I didn't adress you, i thought this is a safe space to share my thought and idk why does it bother you maybe bc you disagree with it

when did I INSULT YOU

and this topic was between me and another person you were extra

idk why yr hostile rn but i have no animosity toward u

[thorny steeple]

I know you didn't address me, but everything you spoke about was regarding our disagreement moments before. I'm confident it was a snide way to respond to me. If I'm wrong, then I apologise and take back most of what I said above.

[thorny steeple]

I've already pointed this out above.

[thorny steeple]

I'm just standing my ground against someone who's been quite rude to me, that's all.

[formal scaffold]

can't talk rn on the heat of the moment since you don't seem calm to me

[thorny steeple]

I'm calm, actually. A bit annoyed, but I'm fine.

[formal scaffold]

feel free to do what make u feel better

u can insult me back

i don't recall insulting you but you took offense into my words ig

[thorny steeple]

I don't want to. I'll do the opposite! 😆 I admire your ability to stubbornly stick to your view, even if we might disagree. I admire your ability to speak English so well, despite it being so different from your native language. So, I'm not raging and I don't have a personal vendetta against you.

[formal scaffold]

i won't justify it still

have a nice day

[thorny steeple]

Very well.

[formal scaffold]

just one thing about the doctor part i was going to mention a doctor example

[formal scaffold]

it's understanable u thought i meant you should get a doctor

[thorny steeple]

What did you actually mean? If we got our wires crossed, then that's fine and I apologise for assuming it was something other than a language issue.

[formal scaffold]

why would I try to communicate with you if i hated you

[thorny steeple]

Well, you know how it goes, some people just want to attack people. Haters gonna hate, as they say. 😆

[formal scaffold]

well I only communice with people worth my time

[thorny steeple]

Hello there

So, what did the doctor thing mean?

Because it seemed very random.

[formal scaffold]

I was thinking of an example

regarding doctors but now iforgot it

[thorny steeple]

OK. I'll take your word for it, I guess.

[formal scaffold]

i even forgot the initial topic

[thorny steeple]

It doesn't matter, in hindsight.

Well, I'm not really sure what to make of any of it, but either way, at least we seemed to have found a way past it.

👋

[thorny steeple]

If your time's so valuable, what ate you doing on Discord if I may ask. There's plenty things more worth your time

[formal scaffold]

Relativity, my time is worth more than conversing with someone i hate

[formal scaffold]

I'm moving relatively to the planet

get it?

I'm not here staring at my screen until someone say smth, I'm multitasking

[thorny steeple]

Is it always? Couldn't you see it as an opportunity to set your differences aside and have an honest and open discussion with the person you so despise. Perhaps you'll change your mind

[formal scaffold]

it would be the case if the word hate wasn't there

i can converse with someone i disagree with but can't talk to someone i hate

i don't hate everyone i disagree with

[thorny steeple]

So, once you hate them, you'll resent them forever?

[thorny steeple]

This sounds reasonable.

[formal scaffold]

and i can agree with those i hate

[formal scaffold]

which is bad I agree

I'm not in total control of my emotions you see

[thorny steeple]

to me, it doesn't

Ooo, was that a throwback to the whole determinism thing? (not being in control of your emotions, I mean)

[formal scaffold]

I don't remember sorry

[thorny steeple]

You're not really in control of them whatsoever, however, I would argue hating is an activity one chooses to partake in

[formal scaffold]

it's complicated

[thorny steeple]

Isn't it possible to hate and then act upon that hate such that the hate itself is what you can choose to partake in? Determinism aside.

I mean, the action of the hate is what you partake in, not the hate itself. 😆 If that makes any sense.

I don't know. Maybe I just use the word "hate" in a particular fashion that entails villifying someone.
I tend to use the word very sparingly and I can't say there's anyone I really hate

[formal scaffold]

I think there are 2 types of hate that you can practice on choice and some who are just a reaction, example someone shows up and shoots yr loved ones it'd be difficult even impossible to not hate him

[thorny steeple]

Ah, understandable. My mother was like that, in that she never said 'hate' because it was so high up there in no-no land that you almost weren't allowed to say it.

[silver gyro]

I just made a mistake… It’s a long history. Yeah the Quran talked about Bani Israel. It’s a long conflict between us but Qaum Israel were not that much big. It was a conflict between Muslims and Jews but alqds idk how to say it Belonged the Muslims so you don’t have the right to say, it belongs Israelian ppl. My bad English is Gogood

[thorny steeple]

Hmm. Could you have compassion for whatever happened in his life (perhaps trauma) which led to such a horrific act? Some parents have met the person who murdered their child and found a way to be compassionate, and not to hate. There are some heart-warming stories like that going around.

[formal scaffold]

If i can conquere that feeling yes

[thorny steeple]

"My bad English is Gogood" <-- Love this. I'm gonna use this in German, to trick people into thinking my German is amazing. 😛 (jk)

[thorny steeple]

Interesting point. Yeah, that makes sense. If someone seriously wrongs you, you'll hate them.
But even the people who have wronged me, I wouldn't say I hate them. You know the saying "hurt people hurt people"? Well, exactly that. I feel more pity than hate.
But yeah, in such an extreme scenario, I would say I would hate that person no matter what and nothing would ever make me forgive them

[thorny steeple]

Also, I don't think your English is bad at all.

[silver gyro]

[silver gyro]

Thanks brother

[formal scaffold]

I think i used the wrong word then

let's say people who don't want to communicate with you instead they want to insult you

that'd make sense ig

[thorny steeple]

Dang, that's a good saying. Not heard of that before, but it certainly seems true.

[thorny steeple]

Well, there's variation in the way people use words. I know people who use the word "hate" to mean any form of dislike. So you're free to still use it that way

[silver gyro]

Are you Muslim or what bruh I just forgot that Story , so I asked my Father

[thorny steeple]

What about lies we don't consciously tell ourselves or others? I've lied many times in the past because, for example, I refused or was unable to see the truth. Would that be considered haram? (also, what is haram?)

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPVoU6PjC3U

it's from yesterday

[thorny steeple]

But, I mean, what if we don't know that we're lying? I'm not Muslim, I'm just curious how y'all figure this out.

[formal scaffold]

hru doing?

I still don't wanna kill you btw xd

[thorny steeple]

Hahaha, yeah I was also taught "hate is a strong word" and that's how I treat it nowadays. I don't want to be so emotionally moved by a simple dislike. Hate implies high emotionality the way I see it

[formal scaffold]

I don't believe in killing jews are we friends now?

[thorny steeple]

I was quite opposed to the idea, TBH. I suppose, given the problematic connotations hate can have (hate against gender, race, orientation, etc), I can see sense in avoiding regular use of the word.

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s1YDLtHWs9o

[thorny steeple]

Oh, my bad. Did get the name of your faith wrong? I'm still pretty new to learning about Islamic faiths and all the terminology.

Ooh, OK. Do you live in Israel? I'm not asking for hateful reasons, just seeking insight.

[silver gyro]

I was afk. Bruh I think you know how many times stayed in the Quran how many times the Jews overwhelmed. And how I said it before the holy place belongs the Muslims and not the Jews

[thorny steeple]

How can the Torah say anything about Christians when it was written before Christianity even existed?

[silver gyro]

He wants to sleep rn

[formal scaffold]

rewritten or those are a bunch of lies

[thorny steeple]

So I've heard. What's it like?

[silver gyro]

I didn’t say that.

[thorny steeple]

Sounds really scary. Are you in favor of the war? If you could stop the war and all the killing, would you? I'm just trying to get a 'lay of the land', so to speak.

[formal scaffold]

if u wanna run i can welcome you at my house, it's not that comfy tho

[silver gyro]

Why are you trying to change one topic to other topics?

It doesn’t make sense

[thorny steeple]

Do you believe then that you must kill all of them in order to end the war? Is peace not possible? Can an agreement not be made?

[silver gyro]

Im in love with your Philosophical questions

Nah it’s like someone that doesn’t want to go for the truth

[thorny steeple]

That sucks. Have they said what they want?

[silver gyro]

Nah just general of the howl topic 💀

Cuz you started

[thorny steeple]

Do you know why they want to destroy Jews? Is it a religious disagreement?

And BTW, thank you for your patience in answering my curious questions.

[silver gyro]

And would we talk about the years before? 💀

[thorny steeple]

"You started it
No you did
NO YOU DID"
Everybody knows what this reminds me of

Have your leaders had a sit down to discuss the meaning of the hadith? Is it possible that you've both misinterpreted it? Surely Allah would not want all of this bloodshed, were he so great and wise.

I'm enjoying my tea right now

[vast nacelle]

greetings from deutschland 🙋‍♂️

[thorny steeple]

What the fuck dude

[vast nacelle]

was ?? ich komme aus deutschland

[silver gyro]

Bro fr it doesn’t make sense anymore I have to go sleep rn. You can watch some of Muhammed Hijabs videos and get more goofy questions from it to be a ( proud Israelian)

[thorny steeple]

Servus. *winkt*

Are you able to leave the country? Perhaps to seek asylum away from this needless war.

[thorny steeple]

Okay, my bad.
Couple of things

• replying to a message about jews
• the emoji looks like a certain greeting

that's all

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I never saw that connection! Dang.

[silver gyro]

Bruh why you say liar so if you think that you have for the truth, you should go and talk that know about it. I could waste my time with you but I can’t

That’s so dump to say

Fr I will not say anything anymore. You took their land, killed many kids, did many worse things and expect from them to live in this apartheid?

[thorny steeple]

I think it's admirable that you wish to stand by your people. Remember when Ukraine was initially attacked by Russia? Remember how they refused to attack Russia? Because they were defending their country, and they weren't out for blood. Can Israel not take the same approach? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Israel actively seeking out blood from Palestine? If so, is this constructive to ending the war, or will it just prolong it until there are more deaths?

Thank you for the offer, but no, that's not my goal. I'm just ever curious.

If you eliminate all your enemies, you can also win 👍

Peace acquired

[thorny steeple]

But you also lose, because all you've done is slaughter everybody who opposed you. It's not necessarily the only road to victory. There may well be some people on both sides who would be willing to end the war and cease the mindless bloodshed. That's what I'm hoping to see evidence of.

[silver gyro]

Let us make a challenge. After one week I will come to you back and talk to you.

[thorny steeple]

This is not an endorsement of the practice

Is there anyone here from Palestine?

[silver gyro]

Nothing just give me that time

[thorny steeple]

That sounds reasonable, yes. But when you seek things like revenge, you simply prolong the atrocities. It's like when two people disagree with each other, if one should swing a fist, the other could incapacitate the other, putting an end to the conflict. Perhaps the two could sit down and discuss it, and maybe reach an understanding. However, simply killing him and his family then every else who will go after you as a result, is senseless. At various stages in conflict, I believe, there are ways to avoid said conflict. Maybe that's me being naive, but I prefer to believe that we humans can do better than kill, kill, kill.

It's more akin to the other person pulling out a gun

In my humble opinion, war should be fought on the front, if at all. Not in civilian areas

Fair point. I assume because Germany refused peace negotiations. I assume also that, at that point, Hilter was entirely devoid of reason and absolutely on the 'war path'. If this is the stage you're at with those who oppose your country, I appreciate that, but how can you be sure your people have no other option?

Why is it too early? Because not enough blood has been shed? When will enough blood be enough?

Ah, I see. Wow. 🫣 That well and truly sucks. Do you (your people) have hostages over there, too?

I'm sorry to read that. I hope he gets out safely.

I think that's more reasonable than hating the people who've been misled by their beliefs. Although I can appreciate why you must feel great hate. I just want to encourage you to set aside as much hate as you can. The real enemy seems to be a lack of reasoning and empathy.

No, I don't watch the news. I hear some things from people, but that's about it. When it comes to these matters, I would rather talk to people whose lives are affected by it and know first-hand what is going on. I don't trust the news to tell me the truth, only what is sensational and attractive to their viewers.

I'm happy as we here, discussing this here in this channel. 🙂

Hey as a westerner, keep me out of this thanks very much

Is the UK included when you say 'the west'?

[thorny steeple]

I'm getting to that.

I'm not mad. This is the thing: I don't hate you, I don't hate Palestine or its people. I hate the actions of those who're murdering and who knows what else. When you say 'the west' is included in this war, you include me. However, I am not at war with anyone. I am at peace. I don't hate anybody enough to do anything like murder. There are many people like me — many. With this in mind, consider that your enemy likely also has such people.

And as long as some people are willing to lay down their arms, I see peace being possible. Perhaps that's naive, but I'd prefer to think that, that there is no hope.

Yeah, that's a worrying thought, for sure, and explains why the west is aiding Israel so heavily, or so I hear.

I appreciate that. I don't have your perspective, but you perhaps also don't have mine. Maybe we can meet in the middle, with you considering my more peaceful mindset, and I considering your sense of necessity for war and violence.

They may try. I say good fucking luck trying to fight off all of NATO

Yeah, that explains a lot.

Who's got the more powerful armies you'd reckon. This is not a numbers game

I think it's such a shame that after all these years and after all these wars, humanity is still fighting with itself.

Are there people in Palestine who're with your people, not against? Such that you might be able to seek their aid?

[thorny steeple]

Just love and peace bruh 🕊️✌️ 🍄🍄 ☘️ 🚬

[thorny steeple]

I wish. I'm not completely naive though. We will always have disagreements, but I feel as though it's high time we found a way to rise about such baser instincts as killing.

Humans don't change. We'll have killed ourselves before that ever happens

It sounds like there are Palestinians who're willing to help, but that you don't believe them. Why don't you believe them?

[thorny steeple]

We have changed, it's just that we haven't all changed. Look back a few thousands years and we've drastically changed. Are we perfect? Heck no. But, I don't think we're doomed to forever repeat our mistakes because of a few (OK, many) bad apples.

It sounds like there's a lot of distrust between your people and theirs, even before the war. Could this distrust have built up into hate over the years, which led to this war?

[thorny steeple]

I don't think we have changed, I think our circumstances have. Look at the west, we live comfortable fuckin lives. We don't have any real reason to cause war (among ourselves) anymore

Is it all because of religious belief?

I'm an implicit atheist, which means that I don't agree that there is or isn't a god or gods, and simply await the evidence I require in order to know one way or another. I've often thought that religious belief is dangerous, because it so often leads to things like wars and otherwise problematic disagreements. If we consider that faith is pretending to know what you don't know, then one person killing another for a different view of their belief, is essentially killing someone because they pretend to know something different from what the other person pretends to know. It's mindless, as I see it.

How do you think about my view?

And I should clarify, as I intended but forgot, that I understand well that not all religious beliefs or religious people are bad or perhaps even problematic. For example, I know people who're religious and they're good people. Some people here I've met are religious and they've been good to me.

You said earlier that Palestinians are acting on their belief, because Allah tells them to kill Jews. If this is the case, wouldn't the lack of religious belief no longer give them a reason to kill?

Ah, I see what you mean. Do you have any ideas how the land dispute could be resolved? Perhaps a trade agreement of some sort? Or seeking evidence that they have rights to the land.

Wow. It's no wonder you find it difficult to see how peace could be possible.

There is a saying: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and expecting a different result."

Perhaps a change is needed?

Agreed, but I was actually thinking more on the lines of a change in tactic.

What do your parents think about the war?

[rain solar]

far cry 3 reference

[thorny steeple]

Unintentionally. 😆 I didn't realise that was in Far Cry.

hi!

what's up?

I have no idea. I'm far too ignorant to the subject to suggest anything worthwhile, I expect. The only thing which comes to mind is to lock your two leaders in a room together until they either kill one another or finally learn to live together as civilized human beings. Prefer have them both locked in chains so they can't kill one another. Obviously, my preference is to avoid blood. 😆

Alsalamu Alikum (peace be upon you) guys. 👋

[thorny steeple]

Alsalam...thingy, to you too. 😄

[thorny steeple]

haha, you can use the English version (peace be upon you). 😂

it's the Islamic greeting.

Isn't this conflict ultimately between Israel's leader and Palestine's leader?

[thorny steeple]

Peace be upon you.

[thorny steeple]

Flare, learning German is hard enough. I can't add your language to it, too! 😆

Wow. It sounds like such a mess over there. So many people just hating each other, over nothing — over who's pretending to know something that doesn't align with what someone else is pretending to know. It all seems so absurd.

[thorny steeple]

nope, it's not merely a conflict between leaders, it's actually between thousands of people.

[thorny steeple]

My thinking is that even if the people the leaders lead aren't happy, it ultimately comes down to the leaders; that's why they lead, surely? Given this, is it not ultimately up to the leaders?

[thorny steeple]

Lol, sorry. xD

[wise fossil]

Is suffering a necessary part of a person's state of mind? What would people be like if they had never suffered?

[thorny steeple]

I've heard it said that suffering is how we know joy, happiness, love, laughter, etc. Without suffering, these things would lose their significance.

Is it because the people do what they want anyway, regardless of what the leader dictates?

[thorny steeple]

Essentially: through suffering, we know joy. I think that's actually a saying, I'm not sure.

What would you do, if you were the leader of Israel?

[thorny steeple]

well maybe, but leaders don't always represent their people though. if one reads history carefully, one would find that the present-day Israelis are descendants of occupiers, as Palestine was a country before the Zionist movement take over the land and declare it as "Israel", it's actually concerning, 'cause you can still find people supporting Israel, despite the mass atrocities and massacres of innocent lives that have been committed since the beginning of this occupation.

it doesn't.

"you can still find people supporting Israel, despite the mass atrocities and massacres of innocent lives that have been committed since the beginning of this occupation."

From what I've just been told, Israel is defending itself against an attack, one which has repeatedly happened over a long period of time. Do you contest this? Why, in your view, is it wrong to support Israel?

To clarify, I don't condone needless atrocities like slaughtering people, no matter who's doing it.

Oh, damn. Sorry, I tagged the wrong response.

That message was in response to Flare's comment.

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[oak spire]

❌❌❌

[thorny steeple]

Can you explain why you feel so strongly against what was said?

[fathom vine]

Eyooo this is fire

[oak spire]

The real terrorists are the Zionists not Palestinians 🇵🇸

[thorny steeple]

Why?

[oak spire]

And btw there is no country called " Israel "

[fathom vine]

And this is all the key

And yet they will never find peace

[oak spire]

Do you know what's mean the word " Israel " ?

[fathom vine]

Yes a free country in Middle East

[oak spire]

[thorny steeple]

Why are Zionists terrorists in your view, Mohamed?

the people of the prophet Moses were the israelites, those were people who worshiped Allah, and in that sense are considered Muslims, so it's not restricted to Jews (as a religion), but it belongs to the descendants of the people of Moses, who, unsurprisingly, happened to be the present-day Palestinians. the vast majority of the Jews are Ashkenazi Jews, who are not indigenous to the land if we would to define indigeneity based on continuum lineage.

[oak spire]

Hhhhh you don't know what's mean and you come here laughing about anything like you know and we don't..

[thorny steeple]

I hope you understand how absurd this claim is my friend, the verse is against, not in favor of your argument.

[fathom vine]

I dont care what word means inside it.
What i care and all I wanna know is that Israel are and will always be a free country in middle east. You all better start accepting each other or the deaths will countinue for more and more years

[oak spire]

Dude... The Zionists killed and continue to kill innocent people in Palestine🇵🇸 to this day, didn't you see the videos?

[thorny steeple]

I've not seen any videos.

so are you saying the Palestinians are not indigenous to the land?

[oak spire]

So don't talk then..

Do some research and comeback..

[oak spire]

Hhhhhhhhhhhhh you don't know anything about history dude .. you don't know anything...

[thorny steeple]

If you'll take a moment to read up, you'll see I'm doing exactly that. I'm learning right now, from the people whose lives this affects. It is you preventing me from learning your view and how you see things.

[oak spire]

Ah okay so then I'm sorry

[thorny steeple]

It's OK.

[oak spire]

I didn't know that... i just come here

[thorny steeple]

I understand. It's a heated debate, you came in without the context.

[oak spire]

The war started in 1925s

[oak spire]

I came to tell the truth that's all..

[thorny steeple]

Are you in Palestine?

[fathom vine]

Let me say an example about Balkan.

Serbians are only few houndret years in Europe (their blood are Rusian)
So Albanian,Greece,Macedonian and Italy that have thousands of years here. What should we do now ?? Start killing them and saying send them back to Russia?? Like you Muslim that keep saying that to Israeli people??
If we all do like you think than we should start another ww3 .
Buddy dont bark for war from your warm bed .
Accept each other is the best solution for peace. After all we are all people land is for all.
Balkan after many years of war now they in peace and know pretty well what war can do

[oak spire]

Most people trying to hide the truth in order to convince the world that the Zionists are peaceful

[fathom vine]

Read . Fck your history and watch for the future

If u guys wanna live peace is only way

[oak spire]

No I'm in Algeria 🇩🇿

[thorny steeple]

Genuine question: If you're not living in Palestine, why do you feel so strongly against Israel? Again, from my perspective of ignorance, what I've learned is that Israel has repeatedly been attacked by the Palestinians (the Hamas?), and is simply defending itself. I've been led to believe that Palestine has 100 or so hostages right now. What is your view on this?

[oak spire]

For your information, the war is always going on in Palestine, but the media is hiding it. We Muslims always see the deaths and misfortunes that happen in the land of Palestine because we care about it. As for you, you learned that there was a war only two months ago😂😂

And you talking like you know anything..

[fathom vine]

Few of them have returned and they was pretty well keep and happy. (They are like war prices. Exchange hostages between each other)

[oak spire]

Hamas is a defending option Hamas is liberating its homeland from the dirty Zionist occupation

[thorny steeple]

Your message suggests to me that Israel also has or has had Palestinian hostages. Is this true?

[oak spire]

You have to be a muslim to understand that, because there a big history before 1925s

I'm talking seriously please do some research please..

To know the truth...

[fathom vine]

For sure . But diferenc is that Israel could have army or “heads” of hamas. So Hamas take civilians and forces for exchange .
This type of thing happen in every war .

[thorny steeple]

"liberating its homeland"

So, for you, it's about taking land that Palestine feels is theirs? And, to this end, you therefore justify the murder of many people? If so, how do you justify this?

[oak spire]

Didn't you see the hospital that was demolished by the Zionists in Palestine?

[oak spire]

I feel i'm in that " Piers Morgan" interview man...

I hate that guy...

[thorny steeple]

the actual indigenous people of this land (Levant, which includes Syria, Libanon, Jordan, and Palestine) are called the Canaanites, the land was primarily called Canaan based on their name.
now here is a study proving the existence of a strong genetic link between Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, and Palestinians.
here is another study conducted specifically on Palestinians.
you might argue that the study is retracted, let me respond in advance, it happened multiple times that some studies that suggest the indigeneity of Palestinians being retracted by political extremists.
fun fact, wasn't you the Jews who committed a mass slaughter against Canaanites according to Deuteronomy 20:16-18. funny, history repeats itself.

[fathom vine]

Yes im a Muslim. And im totally against you.
My people are more religious and they totally angry with Hamas and Israel also .
Only radical Muslims bark for war from their peaceful country

[oak spire]

Where are u from ?

Okay... So you told that you know the whole history from the beginning to the end right ?

[thorny steeple]

😆 Well, I won't ask you any more questions, if you prefer.

[fathom vine]

Pierce Morgan is playing the lawyer of devil. So the debates can go on . But watching hem deep deep down he also against Israel. Against about the type of war they doing which is not right

[thorny steeple]

"However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave a single living thing. Destroy them completely—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you" [Deuteronomy 20:16-18]
that's not kicking those people, that's the definition of a mass genocide.

[oak spire]

No bro ask like you want 👍

😯😯😯

[mystic moth]

What kind of god stands idly by when it's "favorite creations" kill each other

[oak spire]

The land of Palestine is the land of the Palestinians and the land of the Muslims, and we are with Palestine, whether it is unjust or oppressed. And let you know that the remaining means, I think, is killing and fighting the enemy to expel the Zionist occupation from the honorable land of Palestine.

[thorny steeple]

if that's how you're getting your so-called "promised land", by massacring every single living thing, even the real indigenous people, then you'll need more than just "God commanded war" bud, you're a terrorist group who wage war on indigenous people, killing everything that breathes air, including innocent children, that's not my opinion, that's your holy book speaking out of itself.

[fathom vine]

And this will always bring you to a loop of war and will go on and go on and go on. Not the solution

[oak spire]

Like the war of France against my country Algeria🇩🇿, the means by which injustices led to liberation was fighting for the freedom ✊

[mystic moth]

If a god truly loves all, then a "god commanded war" goes against the idea of a loving god in the first place

[gaunt bronze]

what on earth is happening here oml 😭

[thorny steeple]

we are not the ones who brutally torture our prisoners, by the testimony of your own people, they were treated with dignity, hell, we were so terrorist that we provided them with shampooo!!:

[oak spire]

They occupied our country for 180 years, and the only solution was to struggle and fight for independence 🇩🇿✊

[gaunt bronze]

btw, this is getting pretty subjective. i would rlly suggest you guys be more objectives & give sources, or yk, even come to a consensus

[fathom vine]

Im not against Freedom dont get me wrong.

But Israel and Palestinian should find a middle deal and keep peace for their own people.
Let the history back watch for the future this is what they should do .
But both sides keep mentioning history and that is just an exuse for war.

U think government of Israel care about civilians of Israel??? No they dont .
Do you think the leaders or Hamas 3 of them that are worth 11billion$ and live in UAE in luxury care about people of Palestine??? No they dont fukin care .

Civilians of both sides should stop it and not get brainwashed and keep the war going on

[thorny steeple]

that reminds me, you're also the ones who murder your own people, i.e., Hannibal directive. xD

[oak spire]

Yes here when its about killing civilians people you are right..

[jolly agate]

hey hey whats sup

[oak spire]

And I'm sorry if I didn't understand you well

[jolly agate]

where should i start reading

[gaunt bronze]

oh goodness

[fathom vine]

Dont

[jolly agate]

hey i know u

[gaunt bronze]

👀 !!!!

[fathom vine]

It’s worthless because its a loop that has been going for 2 weeks now

[wise fossil]

What is the difference between justice and revenge?

[oak spire]

But you should all know that land is a Palestinian🇵🇸 country .

[jolly agate]

ask the people in #📚｜english-questions

[gaunt bronze]

There really should be moderators here, or someone to help guide this debate so it doesn't become a frenzy.

[fathom vine]

@gaunt bronze i think the real on fcked Europe and left with her money now dying from old age

[gaunt bronze]

i think they were asking it in correlation w/ israel/hamas

[gaunt bronze]

???

[jolly agate]

let the rain fall where ever it wants

[gaunt bronze]

then lightning will strike: a fire will break. people will die.

[jolly agate]

new will born. thats the cycle of life

[fathom vine]

Angela merkel the real one . Filled Europe with emigrants . She fkd Europe together with France England and Italy

[gaunt bronze]

good debates are accentuated through rationale, moral, evidence, and respect for everyone.

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple
so far, what we've managed in this discussion to achieve is the following:

1. you stole the land of Palestine.
2. committed mass atrocities.
3. massacred children and even babies.
4. kept spreading your colonization on the land and displaced the indigenous people.
5. used psychological projection which clearly backfired, i.e, accusing the resistance to be terrorist, while you are the alleged fighters for freedom and liberty.
6. spread lies.
7. tortured the prisoners.
8. held Palestinian children in custody without a single charge or trial.

and everything is simply justifiable, 'cause God "promised" you the land in the same holy book that is not historically reliable. come on, give it a rest.

[fathom vine]

Lol I responded to wrong person

[fathom vine]

It was abou u

[gaunt bronze]

no good making claims and not consolidating them w/ evidence. or being disrespectful and hitting others with a locomotive of subjectivity. it's also no good using big words as a mean to an end!!

[thorny steeple]

Here's what I've learned, from a fairly fresh perspective of this mess.

Palestine, a group from which is Hamas, insists that Israel is their land. And yet, the situation as it stood, was that the Israelis were already there, they were living, they had been there for a great many years. At that point, bickering and waging wars over whose land it belongs to seems meaningless. We're not living in the dark ages. Palestine has their land, on which they currently resides, and Israel has theirs. This is how it stands now, not hundreds or thousands of years ago, but now.

Palestine have Israeli hostages, about 100, but some were released not long ago and apparently were unharmed. Was them being unharmed simply a PR stunt to make Palestine appear to be the sensible ones? However, I'm also reading that hostages are often exchanged as though they were bargaining chips; currency.

[gaunt bronze]

interesting view point

[thorny steeple]

The view from Israel, or at least based on what I hear, is that Israel is simply defending itself from an attack, as it has apparently had to do several times, and seemingly against the same or similar group(s) of people. Why does this keep happening? Why is hate so prevalent over there? It seems to once again come down to religious belief. I'm told that Palestinians are primarily guided by Allah's demand that the blood of Jews must be spilled. How could this possibly make sense? How could a god, an all-powerful, all-wise, all-knowing god possibly reason this, when even so many mere mortal humans can see that murder is wrong, regardless of whose religion or whose view of a religion you claim is behind it.

I'm told that peace was attempted many times, but it seems not to work. I'm told, insistently, that peace is not an option, but the solution seems to be to wipe Hamas off the face of the planet. How is this a solution? If you simply slaughter your enemies, have you really succeeded or have you just made room for the next group of people to oppose you and seek revenge? Can you really guarantee that all of your enemy will be wiped out? That revenge won't be later sought? This idea of slaughtering every last remnant of your enemy seems counter-intuitive. If I get into a fight with a man at the pub, I certainly don't need to stick a knife in his eye to bring an end to the conflict. However, I also have to acknowledge my position of ignorance to the likes of war.

Many seems to be seeing nothing but nails, and if all you see are nails, out comes the hammer.

no, he meant, isnotreal. 😁

[fathom vine]

Yep and Europe will never be the same. It would be very dangerous in the future

[thorny steeple]

there you go.

[gaunt bronze]

i'm a proponent of reasonable immigration; in fact, part of my country's identity is imbedded in us being a "multicultural country with two official languages."

i can empathise with angela merkel on why she chose to bring in so many immigrants. it's definitely brought nuisances and crimes but ultimately, i think it'll benefit germany

the world is not as bad as it seems!

[thorny steeple]

From Ukraine?

[gaunt bronze]

no. from syria

[fathom vine]

Yes but Europe is filled with a lot of emigrations is coming close to 25% of our population in a short time period

[gaunt bronze]

in my country, more than half of our citizens have parents where one or both of them were born outside of canada

we are rich in diversity, and still prosperous!

[fathom vine]

That a little bit concerning if they will not manage well.
( i have nothing about people not being “racist” )
Just wanna know ideas and change topic a bit because we are tired of Israle-Palestine (tired in sense of discussion)

[gaunt bronze]

& that's not to say immigration policies won't change. they're flexible and adaptable too ofc

[thorny steeple]

while I agree with most of what you said here, I'd like to point out one fact, there is no Palestinian motive to slaughter the Jews, not in Islam, nor in the Palestinian culture.
Palestine was a home land for Muslims, Christians, and Jews who lived alongside each other, the conflicts we see currently started only at the beginning of the Zionist movement attempting to take over the land by force, and with the aid of the UK and the UN.
here is a video that should clarify the issue a little better: https://youtu.be/zE8GCX1w3ys?si=Wta097iBThdYtl-C

[gaunt bronze]

our government, left-wing or right-wing, are proponents of reasonable immigration and they've done a pretty good job of managing it

however, there is a bit of a housing crisis and immigration really doesn't help

but even then, immigration, summed up, is good

[fathom vine]

Recently in Albania its have been done a deal with Italy to bring 37K Africans every years .
They say that they will only stay for a procedure of paper for Europe but its a lie.
They bringing them just to work ant lower salary

[gaunt bronze]

oh i see.

i can't speak too much on that. i don't know enough, and i'm going to probably say wrong things. sorry!!

[fathom vine]

I dont think this is right for Africans. European are stealing them for years making their life hard and again take them in our countries and still use them

[gaunt bronze]

their life probably would be better in a developed country

[fathom vine]

Well u know about millions refugees that are entering Europe .
From Syria or Afganistan or Iraqi Kurdistan

[gaunt bronze]

there are vastly more opportunities and safeguards in developed countries, even for the lowest classes than 3rd world countries

[gaunt bronze]

Yes! many from conflict. bizzare, unnecessary ones.

the dictatorial control of syria is terrifying

[fathom vine]

Many different coultures would be pretty harsh in the future. Because Muslims of middle east they dont and also dont wanna adapt to European life style

[gaunt bronze]

they certainly have the choice not to.

it is also important to know that many european countries, canada too, are democracies

if more and more middle eastern people come, policies will adapt and change to that

[fathom vine]

Yep and that what i think will be a problem in the future. Because they will “force little by little “ for they change of lifestyle

[thorny steeple]

Assuming this video correct, it explains why I've picked up on some hate for the British, lately.

Old wounds.

[gaunt bronze]

in arab states, the theocracy-based systems and probably other things, don't say anything about needing to adapt to the people (ofc democracies dont say that, but u arent gonna be voted in if you dont).

so if millions of english speakers (theoretically) came to these arab states, they don't need to adapt

[thorny steeple]

fun fact, did you know that Theodor Herzl who is the father of Zionism was not even a practicing Jew, he was secular.
that reminds me of a saying that goes "Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine" Ilan Pappe
so accurate.

[gaunt bronze]

in a democracy, there's plenty of rules that the state has to follow, and often cultural pluralism policies too

in canada we have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which is a fundamental constitutent in this

the government cant limit your cultural, religious, etc. expression or opinions or practices

[gaunt bronze]

there will inevitably be life style changes in the future.

think about climate change even!

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple

[fathom vine]

Europe is a bit different from Canada . We are more into the culture lets say more spiritual on it . But also Muslim of middle east are to much Spiritual in their religion. So it a bit more dangerous

U know that a lot of people in Spain are protesting to send refugees back?

[gaunt bronze]

european countries are still democracies and have constitutions which protect these peoople i think)

[fathom vine]

Germany joined also

[gaunt bronze]

deportation like that, i think, isn't allowed

[fathom vine]

Poland we all know their stand since the beginning

[gaunt bronze]

& im sure there's ppl protesting the opposite tooo

[fathom vine]

Even if they want where would they send them?
Europe and Usa have destroyed their countries for years now

[gaunt bronze]

deportation like that would violate

right to freedom (liberty), and security

and freedom of movement, and residence

[fathom vine]

The tension are growing slower but it will grow eventually

[fathom vine]

Yes but Civilians dont care much about rules

[gaunt bronze]

they obviously do

[vocal hearth]

chicken nuggets

[gaunt bronze]

interesting...

🤷‍♀️

[fathom vine]

What about frog nugget 😅

[fathom vine]

It’s crazy when u think about it

And all this is from our countries

Well karma is coming

[gaunt bronze]

srry i have to go. im so busy 😭 so srry again

[fathom vine]

Good night im going also

[weak frost]

Hi there!

[thorny steeple]

Anime detectad

Explain this now french

[tepid hornet]

Hello, Everyone
Now I am looking for USA citizen.
I want to learn English from him.
!!! But the problem is that the budget is a little small.
I am Senior developer, so I like Developer.
But anyone can teach me.

[thorny steeple]

@tepid hornet you can learn american accent from youtubers or podcasts, stories , documental videos from english american accent , on youtube there are a lot of content to improve your mind to exercise the ears and acquire it , i'm doing it and is working for me , also when i try to speak my accents comes out as american becuase i focus in it ( i don't like british accent xd) , so i hope it might help you , you don't need to meet someone for improving that , is better to spend much more time (hours) listening to and reading and as much you spend time in it you become more receptive.

[sonic adder]

Everyone learn English from me it’s free

[tepid hornet]

Thank you very much, @thorny steeple

Your advice is really gold

Thank you

[neon sparrow]

hello people i need usa based person who can help me with english. am willing to compensate good on time used [. if yu can please dm

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

Hello i'm so strong that i'd win against my enemies anyway even when i go easy on them

[formal scaffold]

do you teach balling too?

[thorny steeple]

Nice

[craggy sphinx]

why do you need it?

[crimson tree]

helo

people

[hidden slate]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

hi

[pallid surge]

The only way this happens is if a dictator sorta figure rises in these countries.

Which is very well possible; When governments become extreamly stagnant and no change is made, people become much more favorable to dictatorships

[serene birch]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1732586549747822653

[thorny steeple]

what is dictatorshp

dictatorships

[serene birch]

The form of government of individuals and groups who use the common rights and resources of the community for their own interests and orders and do not make an any explanation to anyone, that is, today's America, Israel, Russia, North Korea.

[thorny steeple]

okej

where are you from

[serene birch]

For example, America threatens third actors by bringing its warships and nuclear warheads to Palestinian seas, but itself is the third actor. This is what dictatorial governments do.

[serene birch]

I'm from Earth, how about you?

[thorny steeple]

im from is Albanian

[serene birch]

Oh Nice, I guess this is the part of earth. I think we are from the same lineage.

[thorny steeple]

yes

[serene birch]

We got rid of the communists, we got rid of the Nazis, and I hope that when we finally get rid of the Zionists, the world will a much better place in peace.

[thorny steeple]

do you know how to play e chess

[serene birch]

yeah

But I think I have more imporatant duties instead.

[thorny steeple]

do you have a chess account

[serene birch]

https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/852830174990958622 this place is better for it brother or sister

" We hated the Nazis but not the Germans. We hated the Communists but not the Russians. We hate Zionists, but not Jews. "
This is very clear and obvious.

[thorny steeple]

how old are you

[serene birch]

Biologically, I am 4.54 billion years old.

[thorny steeple]

realy

[deep loom]

I have, do you love playing chess?

[thorny steeple]

do you want play with my

[serene birch]

Yes, every material that made up my cells were components that already existed on earth. I didn't come from space, I mean I've been here since the world existed.

[thorny steeple]

I'm glad to find someone else who gets this, but for some reason, to some people, it's just neither clear nor obvious.

[deep loom]

Yes sure, I'd love to.

[thorny steeple]

what is your acount name?

[serene birch]

People believe what they instantly hear and see. We research, read and learn a lot, so we are aware of the facts.

[deep loom]

BetsyChihiro and yours?

[thorny steeple]

mine is Leona679

[deep loom]

Okay I'll send you a request, see you there.

[deep loom]

Oh btw Can I send you now? Are you free to play now?

[exotic fractal]

Hii

[thorny steeple]

yes

[deep loom]

Cool.

[serene birch]

Please use Gaming channel for it

[thorny steeple]

ok

[serene birch]

this channel is for real topics.

thank you

[thorny steeple]

hi

hello

[thorny steeple]

what's up

[thorny steeple]

bro, i was thinking about move out to other contry but idk how get some job in other place

how works the interviews and hires in your country?

[formal scaffold]

it depends on the skills you have, start with freelance maybe

[thorny steeple]

i'm a network technical and devops programmer

system administrator and actually i work with network infraestructure

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple i am probably not thr right person to ask this

[cyan sand]

hey

I am unable to stream video in the voice chat

[craggy sphinx]

ye

[compact forge]

I’m not in software, but my dad does work for a software company and has hired people in the past. If your thinking about getting a job in the US, freelance is definitely a good place to start to get experience. Also having a college degree (even if it’s in something unrelated to software, like a business degree) helps a LOT. Both experience and a college degree looks very good on a resume, and will immediately put you above a lot of people also attempting to get the job. Definitely become good in English, an accent is fine, loads of people come to the US for work and accents are very common and no one really minds them as long as they can understand what you are saying. Software jobs in the US pay very well, an entry level salary will be 70K to 100K (k means thousand) a year, and after working with a company for a while it can be up to 200K yearly or more. If you were thinking about living in the US, I know a lot of foreigners worry about the healthcare expenses, but if you have a good healthcare insurance company (you’ll have to do research to see which one fits you best) you don’t really have to worry about healthcare costs. As far as job interviews go, there’s plenty of ways you can work from your home country while working for a U.S. company, plenty of jobs outsource to other countries. In the U.S. you do a job interview (if your interviewing from another country this will be virtual, if your in the US it will most likely be in person) and submit your resume with all your experience on it. There’s lots of tutorials on YouTube about what to say during a job interview if you want to watch those to get an idea of what you should do. Just remember to familiarize yourself with the culture of the US (or the culture of whatever country you want to work in). If you have any other questions I can do my best to answer them for you.

[formal scaffold]

hit level 5 by being active on VC

[thorny steeple]

Hello who can help me

I see some words or letters and i can't understand:
Fr

What mean of (Fr ) some friends write this and i don't understand

[compact forge]

Fr generally means “for real” which means something like “definitely yes” it’s used to agree with a statement

[compact forge]

Like if someone texted “this food tastes amazing” you would text “Fr” to agree with them that the food tastes good

[thorny steeple]

Thank you so much for your help

[compact forge]

No problem!

[thorny steeple]

So where i can found this raccourcis like small words cuz i speak arabic and i don't know

[compact forge]

They are called abbreviations if you want to look them up to learn more of them

[thorny steeple]

I sent you friend request please give me best way to know about this

[craggy sphinx]

Hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

Probably for the best tbh

The current situation in gaza is a war of eradication.
Anybody who doesn't see that is probably a pacifist or something since the goals of both sides have been announced to the public

Atleast they have the reason of supporting their "arab brothers", the people in my country support the Palestinians because they hate jews.

No cap

[thorny steeple]

where r u from

dont scare imnt gna eat u

[thorny steeple]

@sonic terrace

[sonic terrace]

Sup

[serene birch]

Everyone tries to show themselves as good and angelic, but everyone is a monster.

[white shard]

Not true

both parts

[thorny steeple]

did you pray today

[serene birch]

me?

[thorny steeple]

did you pray today

[white shard]

I dont believe in god

[serene birch]

who?

[thorny steeple]

bro thinks that nature made us

[white shard]

bro thinks that an omnipotent invisible dude made us

[serene birch]

Yes, you have the right to choose, but your choices do not affect the facts.

[thorny steeple]

bro is lost

[white shard]

No.

[serene birch]

the universe is not small like that.

[white shard]

if you truly believe in god, then by every stunt like that he gets more disappointed in you. Live and let live

[thorny steeple]

bro do you think if you are dead you gonna go to nowhere

[white shard]

No I dont think anything about death

[thorny steeple]

you dont blieve that you gonna die one day

[white shard]

We simply dont know

I do

But I have no expectations

[thorny steeple]

you think that you are really created for no reason , eating , sleeping ...

[serene birch]

We will all go to graveyard, that's for sure. and our corpse will be a feast for the insects and worms, and they will have a party.

wiht our parts

[white shard]

The reason for your existence is the one that you conjure in your mind.

[serene birch]

Everyone in the universe is a monster.

[white shard]

thats very vague

[serene birch]

Everything is based on eating and destroying the ring below.

from major to minor

[white shard]

what ring?

[serene birch]

circle

[thorny steeple]

look around you , univers , galaxys , planets , all that are created for nothing

[serene birch]

hiearchy

[white shard]

What circle?

[serene birch]

top to bottom

[thorny steeple]

look at your own self

your body

[white shard]

Something that happens does not have to happen by design, there is a reason like a bunch of atoms attracting each other forming matter, but no definite purpose.

[thorny steeple]

in some how some retarted atoms attracting each other , with no purpose , thats not logic brother

[white shard]

Thats called physics

[serene birch]

There is only one truth in this phenomenon and the unchanging rule is randomness. Everything happened randomly and is progressing randomly.

[white shard]

Educate yourself. This argument is pointless, you are ignorant and I am no teacher.

[serene birch]

Even God is something random

[thorny steeple]

physics is logic , physics dosent say that atoms attracted each others for no reason

[serene birch]

I'm here because it was random.

we found physic randomly

we found mathematic randomly

[thorny steeple]

random is somthing random

theres no random

[white shard]

To be fair, as far as I know there have been no change in the laws of physics, so that's another constant. Our understanding improves, but their nature stays the same

[serene birch]

everything is random.

[white shard]

Or nothing is

actually

[serene birch]

Physics rules can change at another planet or galaxy or another sysmte.

[white shard]

We don't know if randomness is random or there is a way to predict it

[serene birch]

We cannot say that this is definitely true.

[white shard]

no, only forces change, the laws stay the same

[thorny steeple]

yo jhon if you telling me that you dont blieve in god , in the same time you approve that theres a god

[serene birch]

nope everything is changeable due to another affect

[white shard]

it does not matter where you are in the universe, the objects will attract to each other by the same rules

[thorny steeple]

u just said rules

[serene birch]

nope they are not still random.

[thorny steeple]

rules and not random

[serene birch]

just think about it

[white shard]

Well there are definite patterns in nature

[serene birch]

everything is random.

[thorny steeple]

u accept that there is rules

[serene birch]

which nature you are talking about? solar system?

[white shard]

There are no "rules" in the same way we humans make rules, but there are patterns in the way our world works

[white shard]

I am talking about the general "nature". Everything is nature

[thorny steeple]

we are speaking about anything , from the biggest thing created , until the smallest thing

[serene birch]

It was not planned that we would talk together at this time in here, it just happened randomly.

[white shard]

That's one belief

[thorny steeple]

no it is brother

thats the rules

[white shard]

But the truth is, nobody knows

[thorny steeple]

rules are no one knows his future but evrything is planned before

you gonna tell me how

[serene birch]

There's only one thing I know, "nothing is certain". There are only parameters that we believe to be true or not

you can make your own rule but it will work only for you.

[thorny steeple]

if nothing was planned before you will see the chaos in univers

[formal scaffold]

[white shard]

There is chaos

[serene birch]

The universe is actually certain chaos.

[white shard]

hahaha

[thorny steeple]

your own rule is plaaned to be your own rules

[white shard]

I cant follow anymore, this conversation is no longer of interest to me

Good luck, have fun

[thorny steeple]

if theres a chaos you will not be alive

[serene birch]

this is our Milky Way galaxy(which is a small galaxy between an infinite amount of galaxy) (total chaos) 1 tour is 200m+ years. We know nothing yet

[thorny steeple]

what do you mean by chaos here

[serene birch]

We are approaching it, one day it will eat us.

[thorny steeple]

that day will never come

[white shard]

Something chaotic is something that we cannot see a pattern in behavior of

[serene birch]

It may be making a tremendous explosion in galaxies and creating universes that we may not have been able to observe yet.

[white shard]

Theoretically, the universe will "die" after a very long time, because the energy everywhere will be exactly the same

so nothing will be moving

heat death of the universe

[thorny steeple]

you that is mentioned in quran

know

[white shard]

I am sure it's not

I hate to break it to you, but...

People want their religion to agree with science

so they interpret ancient writings in such ways that would allow it

[thorny steeple]

but ours its really do

[thorny steeple]

did you try to read it

[serene birch]

In my opinion, matter and energy do not disappear. They always have infinite energy due to the issue of gravitational forces. It's just that too much energy causes higher energies to emerge and it grows, thus absorbing other smaller energies to consume more energy with the division it creates, and so on, the same cycle over and over again, an endless cycle.

[white shard]

Myself, no. Did I watch quite a few videos with research and quotes from the scriptures - yes

[serene birch]

The universe will not die. We will die soon, that's the only fact.

[formal scaffold]

if you can't think outside of the concept of time and space then you can't reach god

[white shard]

Well that is impossible

Because our ability to think and imagine is limited to our experiences

[formal scaffold]

for a human brain yeah

[white shard]

I'd say for any living being

[serene birch]

Be assured that God does not want us to reach him. It is not a being of that size. We can't yet perceive the size of the universe. How can we perceive God? It's ridiculous.

[white shard]

We cant even perceive the true size of Earth

[formal scaffold]

you think any being is smarter than human? by refuting it compared to human's ability i think i don't need to mention any other being

[serene birch]

I think we should abandon sweet pink novels and stories and choose better goals. I'm tired of this nonsense.

[white shard]

Well there might be aliens

[serene birch]

We are aliens

[white shard]

or might not

[formal scaffold]

fancy you believe in aliens and you don't believe in a possibility of god

👏🏾

[white shard]

I keep an open mind

[serene birch]

God definitely exists, it is enough to look at the universe to see it.

But he definitely doesn't like stupid people.

[white shard]

Sure