🧠｜serious-chat

[violet dragon]

so you're saying that just because this agency is unknown, or, inexplicable as of today, it is silly to NOT discount causality itself?

[craggy sphinx]

what?

[violet dragon]

causality surely has many useful implications for our survival

[craggy sphinx]

sorry , but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[lavish finch]

That's not helpful

[violet dragon]

no need to make pointless statements, how about be relevant to my rebuttals

or just ask me to elaborate

[craggy sphinx]

What's the point of refutations if you're contradicting yourself at every ?

[lavish finch]

Slow down. What's the contradiction you see?

[violet dragon]

dude again, how about explaining what the contradiction is

[craggy sphinx]

I wrote earlier this, please be careful

[lavish finch]

No

[craggy sphinx]

Write me what I wrote?

[thorny steeple]

Just copy paste it

[lavish finch]

Refer to it

[violet dragon]

so u explained the contradiction before i even made the contradiction?

[craggy sphinx]

Why then did you decide that I didn't do it if you can't provide evidence?

[violet dragon]

ok let's all just try to be relevant to the discussion, and proceed with an intention to actually get somewhere with this

[craggy sphinx]

I'm trying

[lavish finch]

You think I decided that, but I didn't. I'm asking for you to point me to it.

[violet dragon]

@craggy sphinx can you please explain to me, where the contradiction is, kindly?

[craggy sphinx]

.

[lavish finch]

Let me elaborate. No, don't just say you already explained it. Show us where you explained it.

[violet dragon]

i added a 'please'

[chrome harness]

anyone any servers about entrepreneurs i have to interview one for a assignment

[violet dragon]

so to ask that question you come to the english hub?

[chrome harness]

yes

[violet dragon]

jk ppl will help you out

[lavish finch]

Don't get distracted.

We asked eisan to show us the contradiction.

[violet dragon]

yeah

[lavish finch]

The one that definitely exists somewhere in this chat.

[thorny steeple]

I think I am about to get disillusioned.

[violet dragon]

the moment of truth is about to show itself

[craggy sphinx]

Yes of course

Earlier, if you remember, you argued about the meaninglessness of the moment before the inflationary period. Explaining this by the fact that the current data is not able to explain it and does not know it at all.

Also, for some reason, you tried to establish a causal connection, although this is wrong, since you yourself said that we do not know what happened before this period

[lavish finch]

ObserverA, please go to #📚｜english-questions for help.

[chrome harness]

okay sir

[thorny steeple]

W.O.W.

I do not understand it.

[violet dragon]

it is a fact that current data and knowledge say nothing about the pre-inflationary period, and it is my belief that it is meaningless.
i assert the existence of causality only within the confines of the universe, and i also state that this has a temporal limit, which means that i don't think causality can be shown to be existent before inflation

[craggy sphinx]

How do you know what's going on outside the universe?

if you claim it's pointless

[lavish finch]

I think Assassin just said he can't know.

[violet dragon]

this is what i claim to NOT know

[craggy sphinx]

No problem, but then you should limit yourself to the definition of "cause and effect"

[lavish finch]

No

I don't see how that follows

[craggy sphinx]

Explain to me the point before the inflationary period

[lavish finch]

I can't

[violet dragon]

neither can i

[craggy sphinx]

.

[lavish finch]

Try using words

[violet dragon]

so wat is it you're claiming that i 'know' of?

[craggy sphinx]

Then it is foolish to say that it is pointless

[lavish finch]

It's unknown. How's that?

[violet dragon]

that is my belief and clearly, if you wanna pounce at my beliefs with derision, then it means that you're not trying to refute my logic, but rather my intuition

[craggy sphinx]

Where did I laugh?

[thorny steeple]

there are only few things I respect more than someone who learns and accepts a new idea once he verify it's true, you have my respect my friend. 🤍

[violet dragon]

what

[lavish finch]

You called it foolish.

[craggy sphinx]

Then you shouldn't assert it

[violet dragon]

yeah thanks for that discussion again

[craggy sphinx]

Where's the laughter?

[lavish finch]

The word was derision, not laughter.

[craggy sphinx]

no

[violet dragon]

there was a tinge of mockery in they way you went against my beliefs

idk if u laughed

[craggy sphinx]

Are you saying you're always right?

[violet dragon]

but that's fine honestly since it's not rlly helping the discussion to keep bringing that up

[lavish finch]

He has said no such thing.

[craggy sphinx]

Because you are not able to explain it, unfortunately

[lavish finch]

He doesn't need to explain his intuitions and beliefs.

[thorny steeple]

The serious chat has become stern.

[violet dragon]

it's a belief man chill, i look forward to a refutation of my logical argument and not that belief

and it's a belief cuz nothing can really disprove it as of today

and nothing can prove it either

so yeah

[violet dragon]

lol nice one

[craggy sphinx]

Mr. James Green, I think you don't know what you're talking about

he ASSERTED it, not assumed it or intuition. He also used cause and effect, although this is incorrect.

[thorny steeple]

Forgive him.

[violet dragon]

forgive me for being confident in my beliefs

i shall never assert my beliefs ever again

[lavish finch]

You are free to think that.

We all have many beliefs that we do not need to or cannot justify.

[thorny steeple]

😂

[craggy sphinx]

You're trying to hide your mistake instead of telling me to explain it and avoid misunderstandings.

You weren't afraid to make a mistake, on the contrary, you claimed it.

[lavish finch]

It's not a mistake to have a belief that cannot be explained, it's human.

[craggy sphinx]

It's not about faith

We don't talk about faith

[lavish finch]

We are not robots, we are humans.

[violet dragon]

wat bro i literally get your point, and am acknowledging the fact i may have come off as being a bit too confident in a belief which is bad for a debate

[craggy sphinx]

again

[violet dragon]

ok now back to the debate ig

[craggy sphinx]

No, I realized that it was useless to continue.

[violet dragon]

alright, well it was nice having you, and ngl, your arguments were kinda good

[lavish finch]

You're beating a dead horse, eisan. Make your point about the topic, not personal attacks at Assassin.

[thorny steeple]

Nice epiphany.

[craggy sphinx]

@violet dragon Good luck !

[violet dragon]

thanks

[craggy sphinx]

I don't think you understand what you're writing and what we've actually discussed.

I also noticed that you came at the end of our conversation.

[lavish finch]

You might be right.

[thorny steeple]

Enough with the flattery.

[violet dragon]

it's good to end things with some appreciation

[thorny steeple]

yes, the universe is defined as all the mass, energy and all the physical things we know, these are all governed by the laws of physics, and the concept of causality is fundamental in physics, so when we refer to the big bang as the beginning of the universe we refer to the beginning of all mass, energy and other physical things, the big bang states that all mass, energy, etc etc were in a very hot, very dense state called the singularity, I'm sure you're aware of that but it's important to mention for my following explanation, the singularity is characterized by infinite density and temperature, after that it exploded which caused the accelerating expansion of the universe, the problem here is what caused this explosion to occur, and how is the universe so fine-tuned, I don't usually differentiate between the teleological argument (or the argument of fine-tuning) and the Kalam cosmological argument, I think they are pretty much complementary.

[violet dragon]

but im selfish tho, cuz all i cared about was that i got something out of that whole thing

[lavish finch]

There's lots of things I don't understand.

[craggy sphinx]

yes , and the Cause Effect is conditionally taken after the beginning of this period, as is commonly believed in science.

[violet dragon]

and is it only your belief, a subjective experience, that allows you to deny other theories like the big bounce or sumn?

[lavish finch]

My understanding is that physicists claim causality must be understood as probability.

[thorny steeple]

do you mean the series of cosmic cycles?

[violet dragon]

sure

[craggy sphinx]

Since science is not yet able to explain the state before, it is easy to speak after. It can be said that this is arbitrary

[lavish finch]

I don't think you know what you're talking about (see how easy that was?).

And I'm just kidding.

[violet dragon]

don't start fighting now

[thorny steeple]

Simply stay true to who you are. It is acceptable to hold varying opinions and to harbor doubts about them. You will examine, you will watch, and you will pick up knowledge.

[lavish finch]

I honestly don't understand what you're saying is arbitrary, eisan.

Nor can I really understand what you mean by easy. We speak about what we know about, yes.

[violet dragon]

so we interpret the validity of all these arguments subjectively and differently, and experience is key to gaining a better understanding of reality than yesterday. does that put it well

[lavish finch]

How is that arbitrary?

[craggy sphinx]

Mr James Green, it doesn't quite fit in organically now🙃

Of course, we still don't understand a lot of things, and we don't have to understand everything. We are subjective and rational beings, we can make mistakes and this is normal

[lavish finch]

I can't stay much longer, but perhaps next time, I'd like to talk about the counterfactual.

and especially counterfactual definiteness.

[craggy sphinx]

Yes
But I don't believe in facts

[lavish finch]

When did I ever say you did?

[craggy sphinx]

Yes, there was no such thing
But I'm speaking for myself

[thorny steeple]

I think the wiser you will become, the less you will speak and more you will do or experience.

[mortal spruce]

Is it just me or does stories from video games(like The Last Of Us and God Of War) have one of the most compelling stories of all time some of which are better thank most of the books I have read or is it because of the visual that make the player emotionally attached to a character?

[lavish finch]

Please check before just changing the topic.

I'm not ready to change the topic.

[mortal spruce]

ok, sorry

please continue

[lavish finch]

You're an empiricist, right?

[thorny steeple]

To be honest I do not know what that means, let me google it 😂

[lavish finch]

I'm a cartesian rationalist. There are such things as facts. And knowledge.

empiricists believe that knowledge is based in experience.

rationalists prioritize reason

as a source of knowledge

[thorny steeple]

Kind of but not sure. I do not have any strong opinions. I am learning.

[lavish finch]

No worries

[thorny steeple]

but up to now experience has helped me

[lavish finch]

Alright, I must be off.

[thorny steeple]

I'm aware that it's an hypothesis, but to consider it a theory, one must examine it very well against physical laws, however, there are a number of problems when one attempts to prove it:

1. the second law of thermodynamics, which states that entropy always increases over time, if there is a series of cosmic cycles, it would reach a state of maximum entropy, where it would be impossible for the big bang to occur.
2. the problem of the first cycle, what does that mean? it means that this hypothesis assumes that there is a first cycle, otherwise we would fall into infinite regression, which is impossible, also if it's possible for the universe to magically pop into existence without a single cause, then it's possible that we are originally in the first cycle, therefore, there is no need to prostulate an infinite number of cycles afterwords.
3. the lack of any observation evidence or anything that indicates its validity.

this hypothesis also kind of contradicts the Occam's razor principle, and there has not been tested by any scientific method, and it doesn't provide a causal explanation of the universe, also I personally believe it also assumes that somehow the big bang is conscious enough to explain the fine-tuning of the universe.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, you are a teacher.

[craggy sphinx]

The laws of the origin of energies are also

[thorny steeple]

I bow down to thee, Master.

[thorny steeple]

yep, one source of all energies.

[violet dragon]

alright. so you believe that the universe has a cause?

[thorny steeple]

yes, I believe it has an ultimate uncaused cause.

[violet dragon]

but why believe that this cause is an omniscient god? even claiming that this cause was a 'god' is going a bit too far, i think.

what leads you there?

[thorny steeple]

God is defined as the first ultimate uncaused cause, his attributes can easily be deduced by many phenomena in this universe, for example, the fine-tuning of the universe is an incredibly strong argument for the conscious design.

[craggy sphinx]

In philosophy, there is a principle called the the Principle of Agencies

This explains that behind every identifiable object there is an execution object that precedes it.

"Briefly" : prychna - investigative connection

[proud summit]

Hello people, i want to ask you some questions related to canada as a country and i really hope to find somebody who could give me reliable answers. You can write me in DMs as well, it would be easier that way for both of us

[violet dragon]

yeah the fine-tuning argument does provide a convincing argument for the existence of some supernatural intelligent being, but it comes down to belief and interpretation. but y an omniscient one. im being specific as you yourself were once an agnostic.

[thorny steeple]

notice here, I'm using the term God, not Allah, 'cause I believe Allah is the God with all the attributes stated in the religion of Islam, which is another topic, I'm just kind of making steps of what makes me believe in Allah.

[craggy sphinx]

Excuse me, can I ask you a few questions in Dms?

You can answer them when you're free

[thorny steeple]

omniscience = all knowing, or knows everything.
if you already knows things in this universe, how come the ultimate cause which caused it to exist doesn't know the universe, while he's the one designed it?

[safe wolf]

why yall sound so nerdy

mb

[violet dragon]

how can this follow when the previous premise only states that there was a cause for the universe, which happened to fine-tune it for the survival of, say, us, a species. a good design doesn't really imply complete knowledge of the succession of every event in the universe.

which also explains all the imperfections and not to mention sufferings in the world.

ok maybe suffering is irrelevant here

[thorny steeple]

good design requires conscious decisions, that's why it's so unlikely that the ultimate cause doesn't even know how did he design the universe, then how did he design it if he doesn't know how to design it?

[violet dragon]

it's reasonable to assume that the cause had great intelligence, and that it knew very well, how to design the universe. i agree with this. but omniscience is still a problem tho.

i don't see how it follows

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure what do you mean by imperfections?

[thorny steeple]

to know "everything", means to know literally everything, it all comes down to how an ultimate uncaused cause caused everything to exist, or rather created it in the first place, that doesn't including knowing non-things.

[thorny steeple]

I think reason and experience are both needed. If one overpriotizes something in particular, it will cause misery. My bliss lies in balancing and using them both when needed. But you can say experience catches my eye often, and sometimes I find wisdom gained through experience more captivating. Does it make me an empiricist?

[violet dragon]

well, fine-tuning suggests that life and similar events are fortunate enough to have certain conditions placed in the universe. which means that anything which can be thought of, that could make the world or the universe even better for survival or even existence, is a better or more finely-tuned universe.

[violet dragon]

otherwise, it wouldn't even matter how the universe 'existed', as long as it just exists.

[violet dragon]

so you're saying that omniscience is restricted to complete knowledge of only 'things'?

[thorny steeple]

so what is it about imperfections?

[proven rose]

@thorny steeple @thorny steeple @thorny steeple

Hello I'm new here

[thorny steeple]

yes, it's called "knowing everything", everything = every single thing that exists.

[violet dragon]

the point im trying to convey here is that if it's possible to imagine a better suitable universe, then it could be more finely tuned, and hence a better possibility than what 'god' has given us

[thorny steeple]

hey! welcome to our community. ✨

[violet dragon]

imperfections, as in being relative to comfort or a better existence of our species.

[formal scaffold]

one of his names is the know-er of the unknown

[violet dragon]

it's not 'perfect' enough for it to come from 'god' is essentially what im saying

[violet dragon]

damn this is new

to me at least

so u suggest that the 'succession of every single event' is not a thing, if im not wrong?

[craggy sphinx]

It also means being 100% sure of it

TO KNOW

[thorny steeple]

yes, but the question why this is not the case is a question for God, I believe Allah already answered that question in Islam, paradise exists, the ultimate place for enjoyment and pleasure as well as survival, but the fine-tuning argument is more about accuracy though.

[thorny steeple]

yes, that unknown for all of his creations, he knows everything, and we don't know the amount of things in truth, we refer to things as all of what is known and unknown to us.

[violet dragon]

well, you're supporting the argument by citing the claim of allah from the quran. it would be fair to call this some form of faith, would you agree

[thorny steeple]

yes, right.

[thorny steeple]

no, it's okay if you don't believe in Islam and still accepts that the universe is finely-tuned which indicates the existence of an intelligent creator, I'm just mentioning that if you follow a religion and you finally believe it's a revelation from God, then you'll come to know why God did certain things.

brb.

[violet dragon]

my question was more personal. since your response to my claim that 'a better universe or world could have existed' is grounded on the quran, it would be fair to call it faith, right? and yes, it's fair to say that if one believes in the fine-tuning argument, it doesn't rlly have to be that the designer was allah.

i dont mean to be nosy, hope u understand that im doing this cuz u used to hold a worldview that i do now

[deft quarry]

What are your guys religions?

Or what do you believe in?

[thorny steeple]

surely it's a faith, but only if we agree on the definition that it's a complete trust or confidence in someone or something, I have a complete trust and confidence in Islam, and I have the certainty Alhamdulillah.

[thorny steeple]

take a look at my about me section in Discord.

[thorny steeple]

nah it's fine, I really respect that you're asking and searching, I know some atheists who wouldn't do that, or they probably would like to stay atheists 'cause it's more pleasing to them.

[violet dragon]

i think im gonna end this interview lol with one more question - how would you distribute the reason for your conversion between logic/arguments and pure faith?

[craggy sphinx]

I studied comparative religion for a while. Of all the scriptures, the Quran is, in my opinion, the best in explaining the structure of the world and its functioning

My Opinion

[craggy sphinx]

"the structure of the world" I have designated as operative / active

But I still have questions about this religion

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure what do you mean by pure faith, but I'd like to say that faith is not the same as blind belief, you'll have to be logically convinced in order to have the faith and certainty (as a Muslim I really wish for you to gain the certainty and to eventually settle on the belief of Islam), does that answer your question?

[violet dragon]

was there something in your mind which transcended that point of reason or hard logic and which naturally drew you to islam? that is wat i mean

[thorny steeple]

mutual, I also studied many religions, I genuinely don't even know why did I learn about Buddhism which I knew it has never claimed it's not a man-made religion. xD

[thorny steeple]

I knew that if there is an ultimate creator who created the universe, he might already know that I have tones of questions that need to be answered, and I knew that he might actually sent down something to answer these questions, that's why I started searching for the right religion.

[violet dragon]

interesting

well alright then

it was nice having this discussion

[thorny steeple]

was a difficult endeavor, but it's absolutely worth it.

[thorny steeple]

thank you Assassin, I feel the same, the moment I saw you having no problem accepting new ideas and searching for the truth, I really admired you. 🤍

sure, and sorry for this late response. 😅 😂 (to eisan)

[violet dragon]

lol it's fine

[thorny steeple]

wait!

[violet dragon]

well gtg

wut

[thorny steeple]

lol, I was replying to @eisan. xD

[violet dragon]

oh lol

[thorny steeple]

sure, and sorry for this late response. 😅 😂

[deft quarry]

That was prettier than any conversation I've ever seen, It was a pleasure to read your argument

[thorny steeple]

who, me?

[deft quarry]

yea

you and the others

[thorny steeple]

thank you very much, it's just my story on believing in Islam, really. 😂

[deft quarry]

😄

I am Muslim too

[thorny steeple]

that's great, I know that the rapid growth of this religion is not the proof that it's the right religion, but the idea that many people embrace this religion is so comforting to me.

I mean there are many other proofs which I think are irrefutable, but I don't consider this one irrefutable or anything like that, given that Christianity was once the most practiced religion in the world.

[craggy sphinx]

It would be better if someone didn't confuse "causal effect" with "convention" 🙃

[ruby frigate]

( :

🙃

[craggy sphinx]

sh...

total eclipse

[viscid willow]

...??

[thorny steeple]

I searched the video mutiple times to make sure the video is not miscaptioned or anything like that, all the videos I found had the same exact subtitles, and even in the actual source which is the in context channel, yet some people claim Israel is not an apartheid terrorist state.
https://youtu.be/MQ1TAOibLss?si=U0ar2OCScThGSC4m

[forest patio]

Non

[potent coral]

Hi everyone , this is my first time using discord , i 've read some of your conversations and i would like to join your next one , i am not great at english,so you may see that i have a lot of mistakes 😅🥲,by the way i am a palestinian

[jolly agate]

what do you get when you say those things

you saying those thing will have absolutely no effect on the currant situation

[potent coral]

from what???? any way your name explain everything

[jolly agate]

if you really want to free isreal. donate money.

bro its you who wants to free isreal

are dumb or something

i was talking to you btw.

if you dont understand its not my fault.

may be if you study

then you will be able to understand

[forest patio]

an average troller on discord

[jolly agate]

indeed

[amber holly]

No one is going to do that

🤔

Anyways
You can't free something that was never trapped in the first place.

[thorny steeple]

<@&852814479569059840>

[thorny steeple]

free from what idiot? Israel is an occupation power, meaning that they literally live on the land that belongs to other people.

[thorny steeple]

free it from what? its guilt? he'll need to expel most of its population in order to free it from its guilt.
Zionists are mostly idiots.

a live example of who actually support Israel, only racist psychopaths who have no shame mocking PALESTINIANS DEATH! that's filthy and disgusting.

[thorny steeple]

.

[serene birch]

Free my world. From all states existence.

My world is under occupations.

One day people arrived on a spaceship and there was written on the ship.
'There is no water left on Mars and we left all our hopes and homes behind, please do not break our hopes' was the biggest mistake we believed.

[torpid stream]

One word for Zionist

[serene birch]

Marsonists

Their entire goal is to seize the promised earth and establish the Marsaan Empire. But if you say this, you also become an anti-marsist. Be carefull...

[woven bane]

https://tenor.com/view/elon-musk-elon-dance-elon-musk-dance-elon-musk-dance-gif-doge-father-gif-25352951

good morning my friends

[thorny steeple]

Serious chatt

[thorny steeple]

number of children who were killed by İsreal in one month is bigger than number of chıldren who were killed by russia in two years

one of this countries experienced twelve thousand sanction,other country experienced zero sanction

because white blonde humans's lifes is more importanrt than arap's lifes

[naive flame]

Positive Russian song with English subtitles, be carefully dark-humor 😆
https://youtu.be/X7Yyf8gl78k

[serene birch]

Are we supposed to get angry during a serious conversation?

[jolly agate]

i dont mind little chaos

[thorny steeple]

being angry means being serious

this is serious chat not sincere chat so yes, you can get angry here

[orchid totem]

I feel like the United States is too bad

[thorny steeple]

It is

You are thinking right.

but it is too good too.

[jolly agate]

not neccesery

[thorny steeple]

if you sign up for bad you automatically get the opposite and vice-versa

[orchid totem]

what

[thorny steeple]

there is sincere anger but I haven't come across anyone with a temper like that here.

[jolly agate]

who knows

[thorny steeple]

who cares

let it be

does not matter

[jolly agate]

not neccesery

[thorny steeple]

it does matter

[orchid totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1165243333250134087/1170326552794365952/PPRZC1YHF08Q68U24B.gif?ex=6558a289&is=65462d89&hm=7c57c9b65951cf36edbb6b6f48a0cbd7b9cd51b994c90f772630424fb50763c4&

[thorny steeple]

if it is necessary right now, it will not be tomorrow

[jolly agate]

why you speaking from both sides

[orchid totem]

Which caste do you belong to

[thorny steeple]

By birth, by mind, or by heart?

[thorny steeple]

because it does not matter what side I choose

[orchid totem]

Is this a privacy issue

[serene birch]

Are you sure? Because I like to be

[jolly agate]

complete your sentences bro
do not write half sentences and expect us to understand the rest

[thorny steeple]

maybe anger has become your center of speech, nothing wrong with that if you do not suffer from it.

[jolly agate]

suffering is inveitable

[orchid totem]

No one answered me

[thorny steeple]

I do not expect anything from anyone here.

[serene birch]

But when some people get angry, they can show their reactions in different ways rather than anger.

[orchid totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852805796789354496/1170334665014526034/TOGHD8DJ5NWVCO1Z1B.gif?ex=6558aa17&is=65463517&hm=2ac9bde28ecac70b3e14eaf2dac6833d749dfa7fe3fc8b104ab865664abd0cbe&

[thorny steeple]

Then you introspect and scrutinize.

[jolly agate]

lie decated
beep beep

[thorny steeple]

see if it is helping you or working against you

[thorny steeple]

i can never tell a truth that you would believe nor a lie that you would not doubt.

[serene birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx_L9To_LZA This man and his style are an example

[jolly agate]

lie decated again
beep beep

[thorny steeple]

lol

I am a sociopathic narcissist.

[jolly agate]

no one asked

[serene birch]

But I'm a little bit

[thorny steeple]

horrid?

[serene birch]

My serious style is different.

[orchid totem]

I have seen it

[jolly agate]

god is the best programmer

[serene birch]

I don't like to be anger.

[thorny steeple]

Like those chinese warrior monks?

[serene birch]

ofcourse

[orchid totem]

This is quite beautiful

[jolly agate]

😂and i follow all the religion

[orchid totem]

what

[serene birch]

He is definitely not a white-bearded grandpa punishing people with a stick in his hand.

Yes I believe all.

[jolly agate]

who knows

[serene birch]

I know

[jolly agate]

he could be

[orchid totem]

As a Chinese, I actually don't understand

[serene birch]

No

I know

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ranton-shaolin-sword-gif-14832010

[orchid totem]

Chinese Kung Fu has been abolished by the Chinese government

[serene birch]

Kung-Fu-Do now

Karate-Do

Taegkwon-Do

[thorny steeple]

they had to do it, otherwise people would have abolished them.

[orchid totem]

no

[serene birch]

Ju-Do

[orchid totem]

Weapons are more effective than martial arts

[thorny steeple]

Kung fu is far better than engineering these days.

[serene birch]

These martial arts were developed as offensive sports practiced when there was no weapon left in hand.

[thorny steeple]

Right, kill more and more.

[thorny steeple]

It was designed to defend not to destroy.

[serene birch]

I'm Yuk dan at taekwondo.

I spent 25 years

[thorny steeple]

COOL

[orchid totem]

many Kung Fu Master died in the 1950 Kung Fu competition, so government was banned from using murder tactics

[thorny steeple]

🙏

[thorny steeple]

Human beings are always going to make fuss.

[serene birch]

Taekwondo and other martial arts are strongly aggressive and offensive sports for pros.

[orchid totem]

Kung Fu suffered a heavy blow

[serene birch]

It is actually was not sport it became a sport

[thorny steeple]

Every trend has an end.

I like Taoism.

My memory has linked Kung Fu with the way of Lao Tzu.

[serene birch]

The philosophy of "Do" as I mentioned

[thorny steeple]

The eternal way

[orchid totem]

You are a Chinese expert

[serene birch]

always towards truth and goodness...

[thorny steeple]

Taoism is more like a poetry, and Confucianism is more of a philosophy.

[orchid totem]

无为而治

govern by doing nothing that goes against nature

[thorny steeple]

the inner science

The name Lao Tzu translates to "The old man". Nobody knew his real name and his parents at that time.

[orchid totem]

There are many things worth learning about Chinese culture

History is also

[thorny steeple]

East was rich in culture.

China, India, and, Japan were the masters of producing inner scientists.

[orchid totem]

Japan has learned from China

[thorny steeple]

The west has produced intellectual giants, but nobody was at the level of Chang Tzu, Lao Tzu, The Buddha, or Zen.

[thorny steeple]

And China has from India.

Dhyan>Chan>Zen

[orchid totem]

no

You have doubts about your own history

[thorny steeple]

The roots of meditation are in India, the branches and leaves are in China, and the fruits and flowers are in Japan.

[orchid totem]

Your historical records are not good

There is no unified religious belief in China

[thorny steeple]

I am talking about meditation not other things.

[thorny steeple]

China was intrigued in Buddhism, not anymore.

Have you heard of Bodhidharma?

[orchid totem]

sure

We mentioned it in our history textbook

[thorny steeple]

Hiuen Tsang came to India to translate the Sanskrit scriptures in Chinese.

[orchid totem]

make known to every family

[orchid totem]

sure

But Taoism has a greater impact

[thorny steeple]

No doubt about it.

[orchid totem]

We have integrated Taoism, Confucianism, and Buddhism

So what you said is not wrong

[thorny steeple]

Lao Tzu is one of those few masters who have tried to say the truth as accurately as it is humanly possible. He has made tremendous effort to bring the inexpressible to the world of expression, to bring the wordless experience within the confinement of small words.

Hence, Tao is the way of Lao.

He has all the reverence I could offer.

[thorny steeple]

Buddha is from India

Now it has become Nepal.

Confucius is not on the level of Buddha and Tzu.

[orchid totem]

why

[thorny steeple]

He was a great rationalist, but when he met Tzu, he was very disappointed with himself.

You have heard about it?

[orchid totem]

sure

Confucius' Greatness is the Popularization of Education

[thorny steeple]

And Buddha's philosophy is polar opposite of Lao Tzu's.

that is why they attract each other.

but they operate from the same core, just the way of expressing it is different.

Sometimes it feels like Lao Tzu would petrify buddha.

[orchid totem]

Laozi is a bit like Plato's Republic

That's too ideal

[thorny steeple]

Teaching has to be like that, but Tzu has great teachings.

[thorny steeple]

Plato did not dare to cross Diogenes, and you are putting him with Laozi.

[orchid totem]

But in economics, doing nothing is a good way to govern

So I admire Laozi

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

As I said, deep reverence.

[thorny steeple]

I will improve them, thanks.

[orchid totem]

no

[thorny steeple]

I was talking about this time-period.

[orchid totem]

I'm talking about India

not you

[thorny steeple]

Oh I see

[orchid totem]

well

[thorny steeple]

Indian people did not have the concept of linear time. They used to learn from mythology and epics.

[orchid totem]

I think there's a problem with your recording system

[thorny steeple]

In India, time is was circular concept, just like seasons moving in a circle. The summer comes and then the summer will come again, and it has been and will always be so. The Eastern concept was nearer to truth than the Western, because every movement is in a circle. Earth moves in a circle, the sun moves in a circle, the stars move in a circle, life moves in a circle—every movement is circular. So time cannot be an exception; if time moves at all, it moves in a circle. They say the linear concept of time is absolutely wrong.

That’s why in the East we were never interested in history. We have been interested in myth, but never in history. The West introduced history into the world. That’s why Jesus became the center of history, the beginning of the calendar. We go on measuring time with “before Christ,” “after Christ.” Christ became the center of all history, the first historic person. Buddha is not historic, Krishna is not at all; you can never really be certain whether Krishna was ever born or not, whether the whole thing was just a story or a history. But the East was never worried about it. They say everything is a story, and it has been told many times and will be told again and again. There is no need to be concerned with facts, because facts are repetitive. It is better to be concerned with the theme, not with the facts. So you may not be able to understand many things.

[orchid totem]

The starship is about to launch

expectation

[thorny steeple]

They used to live in myth; myth means a repetitive theme, the essential is always there. In the West myth is meaningless. If you can prove that something is a myth it becomes meaningless. You have to prove that it is history, it has happened in time; you have to be exact about it.

[orchid totem]

China attaches great importance to history

[wind wharf]

I don't know whatever has happened in history, but history has definitely been written in a distorted manner.

If someone wants to talk about history, then tell me the history that lasts for 4 billion years?

[thorny steeple]

Like gunpowder lol

[orchid totem]

History is written by winners, isn't it

[main bison]

im serious guys
بچه ها من سیروسم

[toxic jay]

what is the prove that what's written in history is true

there's no prove. it's only trusting the writers

[hybrid lichen]

Hii

[toxic jay]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Hiiiiii

[main bison]

Oh hey
introduce yourself

[thorny steeple]

We arent claiming that history is coming to present one hundred percent clearly and true

[orchid totem]

crazy

[thorny steeple]

But we are improving our methods and we know much things than yesterday

[orchid totem]

History just lets us know what happened

All we do is believe

[thorny steeple]

You can enter arhcieve lol

[thorny steeple]

Myself Raju from India

[main bison]

which part of india do u live?

[thorny steeple]

There are a lot of indians in here LoL

Are you learning English in your schools?

[thorny steeple]

Introduce yourself?

[main bison]

no sorry

[thorny steeple]

No, school comes to me to teach 🤣

[orchid totem]

what

[thorny steeple]

👍

[ebon pelican]

It's arabic..?

[main bison]

yeah

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple how did you learn English?

[main bison]

i said i am serious

[thorny steeple]

I am in english prepare class in university

[ebon pelican]

اوہ ائی سی

[main bison]

what

[ebon pelican]

Oh i c

[main bison]

Oh any see?

[thorny steeple]

Can I know your English level?

I finished pre inter

And ı will start to intermediate

I guess it means B1

[thorny steeple]

Ohhhh

Why are you very happy lol

[thorny steeple]

History is just new people making old mistakes.

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the highest light

[orchid totem]

incisive

People have never learned from history

[thorny steeple]

they can

we experienced such development until this time

[formal scaffold]

I don't trust my memory let alone trusting others memories

[jolly agate]

hello

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/big-buger-eat-buger-the-rock-burger-gif-22532545

[brisk isle]

Hii everyone

[prisma torrent]

Hi

@brisk isle

[thorny steeple]

There's ample evidence to show that our memory isn't reliable, such as false memories and suppressed memories due to trauma.

[thorny steeple]

it's a terrorist state, I'm positive of it, they've made countless of lies, yet they still want people to believe them and not Hamas, as if they have been ever deemed the most credible source of information or something, Lol, it really seems like they are making lies and believing them.

[craggy sphinx]

Why are you worried about this?

[thorny steeple]

You may have misunderstood. I'm not worried about it.

[craggy sphinx]

You've written it as if you're afraid of it and want to avoid it.

[thorny steeple]

Nah.

It was in response to the other poster and was essentially providing an argument for his or her stance so as to affirm it.

[craggy sphinx]

It doesn't make any difference whether they are false or real

[craggy sphinx]

np

[craggy sphinx]

hello , how are you ?

[thorny steeple]

Yes,isreal is a structural racist apartheid state

İt is a colonization project against local arab people

Not muslims,to arabs because christans araps are being assaulted by isreal

[craggy sphinx]

Because these are memories, whatever they are, you shouldn't focus on that.

You can only benefit from it, for example, understand what you did and why

Try not to make the same mistake again

What is a memory?

Memories are the decoding of memories into sensation

[thorny steeple]

it's true, the US is absolutely an evil face covered with the mask of "human rights" and "free speech", racism, oppression, and many other bad features the US is well-known with, yet it always depicts itself as if it's the super hero that will save all humanity from evil.

[thorny steeple]

well, even many Israeli civilians are incredibly racist, this video is only one example:

these kind of people make me sick.

[jolly agate]

im doing good, how about you

[craggy sphinx]

im great

[jolly agate]

perfect

[craggy sphinx]

What do you think about memories?

[thorny steeple]

Yes also they are kidding with Palestinian's pain in tiktok lol

[jolly agate]

memorie is identity

[craggy sphinx]

what do you mean ?

[valid cedar]

guys, do "i'm watching a movie tonight " and "i'm going to watch a movie tonight " have the same meaning ?

[craggy sphinx]

hello
For more information - #📚｜english-questions

[jolly agate]

ill tell you but not now

laterz

[valid cedar]

thank you

[thorny steeple]

Generally, whether or not memories are false or real is evidently critical in many if not most aspects of life, such as in law, education, and science. If the validity of memories weren't in question, it would likely result in chaos, because, among other things, education would collapse, leading to a further collapse of science and the many professions in the world. If it truly didn't matter, we wouldn't consider it a problem when one has false memories, suppressed memories, implanted memories, amnesia, etc.

[ebon pelican]

Have you ever delved into any particular mythology, and if so, which one captures your interest the most?

[thorny steeple]

Christianity, I suppose. It comes to mind a lot when discussing or debating religiosity and creationism. Beyond that, probably not.

[versed rain]

Uhh, if u ask me it, I can say i am Turk and i suggest Turkish mythology.

[ornate siren]

Egyptian and Greek mythology

[versed rain]

BTW did you see StarShip?

I watched it eagerly.

[ebon pelican]

No.

[thorny steeple]

I think Norse mythology is quite interesting, but I know nothing about it. Thor and what-not. I find the origin and reasoning for such belief more interesting than the belief itself, I think.

[craggy sphinx]

I don't think it would have led to chaos. As I said earlier, we are subjective beings, which means that we can be wrong

[craggy sphinx]

if there is a reason for that

[thorny steeple]

Why would it not lead to chaos? Whether or not we're subjective beings is irrelevant to whether or not chaos would follow your assertion.

[ornate siren]

Now THIS topic is becoming hackneyed.

[craggy sphinx]

there are many things that have been falsified, and even those that are still unknown. Would we kill each other in order to be the first to know about it?

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure how that is related to the subject. It seems like a Red Herring. Whether or not things have been falsified is irrelevant to your assertion, unless I'm mistaken, at which point I'd like to know your reasoning.

[craggy sphinx]

I have given you the definition of memories.

read above

why doesn't it matter?

[thorny steeple]

"It doesn't make any difference whether they are false or real"

This is the assertion you made, against which I'm arguing, because I think it's illogical to assert that when, if it were true, it would surely follow that the world would be in chaos. I highly doubt, for example, that we'd be using these computers. I'm under the assumption that your definition of a memory is the standard accepted definition, thus I don't feel the need to ask you to define it or track down a definition. However, if you're defining a memory in a non-standard way, then it's a definitional issue which could affect my argument.

[craggy sphinx]

I didn't say it was true or not. You claim that this would lead to chaos, but why?

Give me a definition of memories

[craggy sphinx]

I don't think standardization has anything to do with it.

[ruby frigate]

Hello everyone. Any new updates?

[thorny steeple]

A standard definition of memory, in this context, is the storage of information, either long term or short term.

"I didn't say it was true or not." — You directly did, hence it being an assertion. If it wasn't your meaning or intention, then I appreciate that.

"I don't think standardization has anything to do with it." — When discussing something, it's important to be on the same page. We have definitions for words for a reason, after all.

Regardless, whether or not standardization of the the understanding of the word 'memory' matters is irrelevant to your assertion.

I explained why I think your assertion, if true, would likely lead to chaos. This is what I said:

"Generally, whether or not memories are false or real is evidently critical in many if not most aspects of life, such as in law, education, and science. If the validity of memories weren't in question, it would likely result in chaos, because, among other things, education would collapse, leading to a further collapse of science and the many professions in the world. If it truly didn't matter, we wouldn't consider it a problem when one has false memories, suppressed memories, implanted memories, amnesia, etc."

[craggy sphinx]

Where did I claim this?

I think you are confusing the definition of the words "assert" and "assume"

So, I said that it doesn't matter if it's a bad memory or a good one.
you also said that remembering is a way of storing Information. That is why I pointed out the possibility of alterations and the incorrectness of this

Can it always be true? Does this have to lead to chaos because this or that memory turned out to be wrong?

[craggy sphinx]

no

That's not a problem. It's okay when you're wrong.

[thorny steeple]

I think the language barrier is too much. I shouldn't have questioned you so heavily. I would find it impossible to have this sort of discussion in my 2nd language.

[craggy sphinx]

sorry
I really don't see any reason for chaos

[thorny steeple]

It's OK.

An assertion is basically a statement of something as though it were fact, usually without evidence. For example: "God is real." That's an assertion, because I've provided no evidence and I've stated it as fact. However, assuming something is to consider something a given. For example, I assume you're likely an English learner, because of the server we're in.

Regarding chaos, I do admit I worked under the assumption that the validity of memory would not be in question now, with us already at this point. But, your assertion actually more likely suggests that memory was never important, against which my argument would simply be that it would be highly improbable, if even possible, that we would be talking on Discord, with computers powered by electricity, all of which was provided by science, a study which relies on the validity of memory, such as during education.

[craggy sphinx]

"assert " means that you are sure of It. But I don't think so.

Maybe you didn't quite get my point.
I said it didn't matter if those memories were true or wrong. It's normal when you're unsure about something.

But this is not a reason for chaos. As I've said before, memories may have been distorted or completely incorrect. Notice that I've taken "memory" as an information unit, since that's your definition of it.

If you really think this would have led to chaos, then why don't you worry about what happened a few hundred years ago? You take it for granted, but you can't be sure of it because you have " witness knowledge"

"To assume" is not quite the same as to assert

[thorny steeple]

I agree that I may have missed your point. I may have taken something you said out of context, and argued against it alone. I've explained why I thought there would be chaos, and gave a reason and explanation which didn't conclude chaos but still argued against your assertion. Regardless, I think at this point we're getting nowhere. I appreciate the discussion and apologise if I frustrated you.

[craggy sphinx]

““As far as chaos is concerned, I admit that I have been working on the assumption that the shape of memory will not be questioned now when we are already at that stage““ - That's what you wrote earlier. You're using an assertion, but at the same time, you're not completely sure about it, saying it's at least "now"

Given your definition of memories, I think you didn't quite correctly relate it to what you wrote

[craggy sphinx]

No worries

You can share your ideas

[craggy sphinx]

This is something that cannot be refuted, at least for now

I can hello the arguments I once made, but I guess you don't want to

[thorny steeple]

for real! it's really inhumane barbaric ruthless act!
https://youtu.be/_mwcFEpAYkU?si=DTijicvx90YLqPwQ

that provocative girl who mocked the Palestinian mothers who lost their children under the rubble justified her acts by citing a video of literally a Lebanese short film that aims to show the brutal living in Gaza under the ongoing coward Israeli bombardment.
here is the video that proves it: https://www.instagram.com/p/CzaicF9OQBi/?hl=en
even AP news talked about it: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-crisis-actor-israel-hamas-war-false-movie-set-975355588351

their shameless series of lies must come to an end, those folks were born frauds and barbarians!

themainmuse

We keep having to do the fact checking since m e t a doesn’t seem to care about showing the truth. Anyways, some of you need more critical thinking skills because why would confetti be in any staged war content 🤣

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[thorny steeple]

can a man be feminist from your point of view?

[ebon pelican]

If being a feminist means raising my voice for women's education, advocating for career opportunities, speaking out against rape, and supporting women's basic rights, then I am a feminist man and I endorse it.

However, I don't support endorsing vulgarity, demeaning men, making frivolous demands that have no merit. I don't support it when people misuse feminism, which results in women being deprived of their rights.

A good man always support women, who play a role in their lives, have a progressive mindset, and view themselves not as less to men.

Comparisons between men and women don't make sense as both have distinct qualities, and both are highly valued.

[thorny steeple]

I've actually met some people who claim to be as such, but it's important first to understand that feminism has many types, I don't think any man would be a pro cultural feminism, it's hard to say that women are any superior than men.

cultural feminism: is the belief that women are in fact superior than men.

[thorny steeple]

I agree, absolute equality is always unjust, people should actually be looking for equity and justice.

[ebon pelican]

No gender can be considered superior to another based on being of a particular gender.

[thorny steeple]

actually not,cultural feminism means womans have got female core in their inside and this core is making them different from males,this quality isnt meaning always superiority

[thorny steeple]

agreed. 💯

There are matriarhcalist cultural feminist but there are cultural feminists who dont believe woman superiority too

and second group is in majority

but ı agree a man cannot be a cultural femınıst but ı guess he can be a lıberal or socıalıst femınıst as man

[thorny steeple]

I got my info from Wikipedia, could be wrong though, idk. 🤷‍♂️
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_feminism

I believe women have got one of the most important roles in society, which is to preserve the structure of families.

we cant identify womans according to family becuase we arent making this to mans

mans and womans are creating family and they are making children but we are mentioning only woman's duty in family

everybody mentioning about woman's mother task but nobody talking about man's father task

and this is patriarchaly

[south python]

Agreed 💯 as a women I think nowadays these so called feminist just want to b free , nude, want high payed jobs with doin nothing
Their illogical protest are actually not helping the deserving women who are suffering from rapes, bullying, sexual harassment, education n all

[thorny steeple]

ah, no, I disagree, I mentioned the women's role to preserve the structure of the family 'cause we're primarily talking about women, but men's duty in the structure of the family is also important, however, I believe that women have the duty to raise the children, as men are inherently built for working in full-time jobs, women inherently have the qualities necessary to raise the children, of course men also contribute in this endeavor, but it's the woman's primary duty though.

[ebon pelican]

Agree and women should contribute in other fields too, they should lead countries, businesses etc

[thorny steeple]

I don't buy that notion, it's important to understand that the feminine side of women is soft and emotional, decision-making requires high EQ (emotional intelligence), while I agree it's possible for some women to gain that, but in the expense of partially losing their feminine qualities, I think there are certain jobs that particularly require women, but these are very specific, men are the ones responsible for working in most of the areas and decision-making fields, and to provide for their families, they are more expected to step up and take leadership roles, even in the structure of the family, that doesn't in any way lower women's importance in life, however, women still have the most important role in the family, which is to raise the children, they are the only ones who give birth and have the merciful and passionate heart which are all required qualities to raise children, I'd say there are also some overlaps in the duties between men and women, so it's not strict though.

both genders are complementary.

both genders are equally valuable.

[crude glade]

Did u actually type all of that@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

I pretty much agree with what you said, until this:

"Comparisons between men and women don't make sense as both have distinct qualities, and both are highly valued."

It's occasionally very important to compare genders, such as in psychology, anthropology, biology, etc. I think it's benign to simply compare genders, but I think any sufficiently cognisant individual will recognise when it's no longer productive to make such comparisons.

Denying differences between genders is to deny reality. We can't necessarily solve problems or disagreements by pretending they don't exist. Claims like 'men and women are the same' or 'men and women are equal' may be overlooking (cherry-picking) facts in order to satisfy the person's ideology, which isn't reasonable. There are things men are generally better at (e.g., physical labor) and there are things that women are generally better at (e.g., childcare), per the advantages and disadvantages given to us from millions of years of evolution. However, it doesn't mean that there's no overlap, as has been proven time and time again.

It doesn't always have to be about us vs them; we can simply acknowledge, appreciate, and take advantage of our differences.

You've also implied that the simple act of comparing genders is to undermine the qualities and values of each, which isn't the case. It's a false dichotomy, since, at the very least, we can both compare and appreciate the qualities and values of each.

[grim remnant]

I agree with you, but i'd like to know your opinion about this: What would happen if a woman doesn't want to have children? What would be her role?, or in what kind of works do you think she could work at?
In my opinion, women can work wherever they want, obviously, you are not going to put a woman in a construction labor, but what about other careers, or jobs which don't require that physical effort?

[thorny steeple]

Thank you for the feedback.

"What would happen if a woman doesn't want to have children? What would be her role?, or in what kind of works do you think she could work at?"

What do you mean? You're implying something must be done simply because a woman chooses not to have kids. Can she not simply make that choice and nothing come of it? She can work as whichever role she considers financially viable and for which she is sufficiently suitable.

"obviously, you are not going to put a woman in a construction labor"

I'd like to challenge this. To me, this is not at all obvious, as a sweeping statement. Remember what I said earlier, with which you agreed:

"However, it doesn't mean that there's no overlap, as has been proven time and time again."

Therefore, provided a woman is sufficiently suitable for physical labor, she is well within her right to work in such a field. Unfortunately, some cultures or societies might make such a choice difficult, which I suppose is where some sort of feminism comes in. Keep in mind, some women are very strong.

It's also worth adding that many women already choose not to have kids, affording them the freedom, time, and energy to pursue other things, such as their career, passions, and/or happiness by other means.

[thorny steeple]

Hi I'm new here

[thorny steeple]

How I know my level in English? I think that I'm A1 or A0 or -A XD, well A1

[silver gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/sanji-one-piece-amit-gajare-gif-2492925402587233181

[thorny steeple]

ok

Do you wanna call

[jolly agate]

Memories are nothing but present moments stored in your brain.

human brain shapes the very core of who we are, preserving experiences and knowledge that contribute to our unique identity.

If, God forbid something were to happen to you, causing you to lose your memory, you would also lose your identity or who you were. You would then have to start from square one, recollecting all those experiences to shape a new identity. This new identity could be completely opposite to your original one, or it could be the same the possibilities are abundant.

What you are right now isn't solely because of what you did in the past, but rather because you remember those actions in the form of memories.

[brittle vigil]

what do you guys think about the news about Taylor's show in Brazil

[open plover]

Hey! How you doing?

[orchid totem]

The people of Gaza do not have human rights

They showed the people of the world the hypocrisy of the United States

The performance of the Western world is also unsatisfactory

Human rights and democracy have become jokes

The United States is the biggest terrorist in this world

[thorny steeple]

I disagree totally

The true terrorist is the groups fundamentalists

[orchid totem]

Indeed, what I said was incorrect

[thorny steeple]

Its fine until you start to behave like a racist or like innaproriate behaviour so you see @open plover the guy @orchid totem he didnt say anything rude or offensive he said his point if you find something that is a mistake you can just correct him by telling your point of view and also remember this is a serious chat people are allowed to talk freely about their opinion until it get really really offensive or bad trash talks but until then its fine so please try to prove your points and make clear.

[orchid totem]

The United States has made an indelible "contribution" to security

[gaunt bronze]

Definitely.

[thorny steeple]

This is serious chat so anyone can debate with good behaviour

@open plover

[gaunt bronze]

Uh-oh, I believe there's restrictions on political debates because of the server's guidelines.

[open plover]

But why did he say such violent things such as "The people of Gaza do not have human rights" and/or "The United States is the biggest terrorist in this world"?
Can that be considered "good behavior"?

[orchid totem]

Isn't it

[thorny steeple]

Its just his point of view if you see mistake you can prove him wrong

[orchid totem]

Is it good behavior for it to attack other countries recklessly?

[thorny steeple]

He didnt curse you or trash talk you

[open plover]

Sure not

[orchid totem]

How many people have died in Gaza now

[smoky skiff]

That doesn't sound like a gentlemanly comment🧜‍♀️

[orchid totem]

Who is the mastermind behind the obstruction of peace in Gaza

[open plover]

Sorry! It was a mistyping! It can happen to anybody

[orchid totem]

China？Russia? Brazil？

tell me

If the people of Gaza have human rights, they cannot establish their own country?

[open plover]

No, but I found that style of opinions somehow concerning

[thorny steeple]

Did you said Brazil? If you Said Brazil then you invoked a Brazilian now

[orchid totem]

I think provoking ethnic confrontation and civil war is particularly terrifying

At least Brazil did not prevent peace

[thorny steeple]

China and russia to do peace? Impossible

I think that only can do It is Brazil

[orchid totem]

I say about Gaza

[thorny steeple]

Yes, about Gaza

[orchid totem]

At least China does not interfere in other countries' internal affairs

But Brazil defines Hamas as a terrorist organization

[thorny steeple]

The opinion what if he tells you the same. So dont get this too much to your

You guys talking this. But you guys really dont know whats happening sitting in your place that is 1000s of miles away

[orchid totem]

Israel is more like a terrorist organization

[gaunt bronze]

China definitely interferes with the internal affairs of other countries.

[thorny steeple]

You can talk but dont take too personaly

@open plover

I think the politics topic is useless

[open plover]

I agree

no more politics

[orchid totem]

but I can't find the information.because i am Chinese

[gaunt bronze]

Do you live in China?

[thorny steeple]

And also xxf go ease with your words

[orchid totem]

I don't even understand what we're posting

I can only see what they want me to see

[gaunt bronze]

You're right.

[orchid totem]

sorry

I'm too excited

[gaunt bronze]

It's an unfortunate violation of freedom of opinion and of expression.

[thorny steeple]

But is true, Hamas is a terrorist organization

[orchid totem]

With the example of the Soviet Union, we must control our speech

[gaunt bronze]

.

[thorny steeple]

Does kills all jewi... Isn't terrorist?

[orchid totem]

Why not define Israel as a terrorist organization

[orchid totem]

sure

I'm talking about double standards

[thorny steeple]

I don't remember the Israel says to kills all palestines

[orchid totem]

Compared to Hamas, Israel is now killing children, bombing hospitals, schools, and churches

But what about behavior

[thorny steeple]

And kills palestines withouth a attack by hamas

[orchid totem]

Cultural extinction and genocide

Why is Hamas arresting Palestinians in the West Bank without Hamas

[thorny steeple]

Because the Israel doesn't have choices If the groups hamas hide in hospitals, schools and churches with civils

[orchid totem]

What is the exchange rate between Israelis and Palestinians to be considered a terrorist organization?

[thorny steeple]

If Israel doesn't do It who will die is jews

[orchid totem]

So can that be it

This is too scary

[thorny steeple]

Do terrorism

[orchid totem]

How many Palestinians can we kill to stop

all？

Israel can define everyone as Hamas

[worthy fossil]

holy shit this is serious chat

[orchid totem]

There is a possibility of Hamas in all places in Gaza

[thorny steeple]

Do you will to war in Gaza to check?

If Israel doesn't defend jews will dies

[orchid totem]

Are those who support Gaza going to fight

[thorny steeple]

If Israel defends palestines dies

Who does the Israel defends your country?

Israel defends yourself or no will kills people

[orchid totem]

But how much to kill and what to stop?

[thorny steeple]

Who does the Israel defends yourself?

[orchid totem]

Is this self-defense?

[thorny steeple]

Is Impossible stop because more members will Join in hamas

[orchid totem]

This is genocide

[thorny steeple]

The war is a Factory of New members of hamas

[orchid totem]

you are crazy

Kill all the people of Gaza

Is that all right?

[thorny steeple]

No, because a palestine see people dies and see the hamas like the only thing to do

[orchid totem]

Why did they choose Hamas

[thorny steeple]

No, invade the all Gaza and Inspect all members of hamas and kill them

[orchid totem]

Because peace is hopeless, the land they lost will never return

[orchid totem]

no

[thorny steeple]

Because Hamas is not only a group

[orchid totem]

Do you know why they don't agree to the establishment of Israel

[thorny steeple]

Hamas that import food and others things to Gaza

[orchid totem]

At that time, they only accounted for 20% of the land, 50% of the territory, and 80% of the arable land

If you still have to defend Israel, you won

They will never return to their homeland. The territory is getting smaller and there is no hope for peace

They live in the largest concentration camp of the 21st century

What else can Israel do if it doesn't give them what they deserve?

If there is a better way, who will support Hamas?

[thorny steeple]

In palestine there was jewish, Christians and Muslims but with more jewish in palestine the muslims doesn't liked It and started try kick out the jewish but the jewish created the state of Israel and the muslims started the Wars until lost a lot of Lands to Israel and created terrorism groups

[orchid totem]

no

The conditions for Israel are too generous

It's too unfair to the Palestinians

As long as the fundamental issue is not resolved, there will still be organizations similar to Hamas appearing

There are only two ways to give the Palestinian people what they deserve or to kill them and drive them out of Gaza

In every way, Israel has done something outrageous

[pearl condor]

israel belongs to greece

the original inhabitants were the ionian philistines. not the jews or the arabic palestinians

the philistines(greek) were defeated by the ancient jews

both palestine and by extension the palestinians were named after the philistines by the romans for political reasons

both israel and palenstine are land stealers and the greeks should have the land back

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the highest light

[thorny steeple]

you have no idea what you're talking about.

[orchid totem]

Sure

This guy has a very problematic mindset

[thorny steeple]

nah, the indigenous people of this land are the Canaanites, the current Palestinians are the descendants of them, also Lebanese, Jordanians, Syrians are, to some extent, also descendants of Canaanites, there have been genetic studies conducted on the link between the present-day Palestinians, and the ancient Canaanites, all of which find "Palestinians share a strong genetic link to the ancient Canaanites", and one study on pubmed has been retracted, perhaps due to political oppositions like other incidents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

[orchid totem]

I have seen no information that mentions Greece

But I am on the Chinese internet, so I cannot provide evidence

Because it's all in Chinese

[thorny steeple]

I'm not denying the fact that many of the Jews there are also, to some extent, descendants of Canaanites, but Palestinians lived with Christians and Jews for a long time under the country of Palestine, not Israel, the current one is totally made up and many of the current Jews have entirely different ancestries.

[thorny steeple]

historically, ancient Greece occupied the land.

[orchid totem]

Jews are religious organizations

Zionism is a mistake

[thorny steeple]

exactly, Zionism was aiming to make a home land for all Jews, regardless of the ethnicity, they settled on establishing it on Palestine, even though they had other lands in mind.

[orchid totem]

They distorted the concept of resurrection

[thorny steeple]

more accurately, they settled on stealing the Palestinian land.

[orchid totem]

Sure

This is shameful, that person is still defending Israel

[thorny steeple]

it is inhuman to support Israel on what is currently doing to people in Gaza.

Israel is according to the UN's definition of terrorism, is a terrorist state.

[orchid totem]

The Internet Reflects Species Diversity

This guy doesn't answer my questions and just talks to himself

Auschwitz concentration camp is equipped with water and electricity supply

This is too ironic

[thorny steeple]

wait, are you talking about me?

[orchid totem]

no

[orchid totem]

this guy

His viewpoint surprised me

[thorny steeple]

yes people can say whatever they want, you have to demand proofs and evidence of what they claim.

otherwise, he'll just simply spread lies.

[orchid totem]

Do you have a video of Israel sending underage children to military courts

it is the only country in the world that does this

[thorny steeple]

https://www.dci-palestine.org/children_in_israeli_detention
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/defenceless-impact-israeli-military-detention-palestinian-children
https://www.btselem.org/statistics/minors_in_custody

[orchid totem]

thank you

[thorny steeple]

not videos, but who would record himself arresting a child and throwing him in the jail.

[orchid totem]

Sure

There's actually my struggle on the Neikaniahu bookshelf

[thorny steeple]

but we do have many videos of Israeli terro... I mean soldiers abusing children.

[orchid totem]

crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[thorny steeple]

here is one I randomly found on my hard drive.

[craggy sphinx]

?

I'm wondering how you defined it

[orchid totem]

this

[orchid totem]

this

[craggy sphinx]

Is he kidding?

For real?

[orchid totem]

this

An organization likes to see its own people die

I don't think this is a normal person's idea

[orchid totem]

he is serious

[craggy sphinx]

oh

[orchid totem]

He supports Israel's attack on hospitals, churches, and schools

[orchid totem]

this sentence

[orchid totem]

This answer makes me feel uneasy

[orchid totem]

In my opinion, he is like this

only in my opinion

[thorny steeple]

yes, they found the tunnels of Hams under Al-Shifa hospital... oh wait, it was the elevator's hoistway, it doesn't matter, they find a paper with names of the Hamas members anyway... oh wait! it was a normal Arabic-written calendar, they are so desperate that they only have to lie to support their claims.

[orchid totem]

They bombed ambulances

[pearl condor]

i am beginning to think israel are the bad guys.

thankfully my home country of colombia has never done bad

[orchid totem]

They said ambulances pick up people in the city

[pearl condor]

except for many drugs.

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[orchid totem]

So they bombed it. I think this is not his job as an ambulance worker

[pearl condor]

many colombian say if he was still alive they would vote escobar for president but idk. he was smart

[orchid totem]

Israel has never been a good person

[thorny steeple]

They were always jokes, you took them seriously.

[thorny steeple]

I can totally imagine New Yorkers having fights about their pizzas and property.

[thorny steeple]

You think China hasn't made any contributions?

[thorny steeple]

then Hamas should stop taking help from Iran and contact Saudi Arabia.

[thorny steeple]

because the Chinese Government is only showing you what it wants you to see.

[orchid totem]

This is impossible

The wolf enters the tiger's mouth

[thorny steeple]

Hamas is the wolf, Israel is the tiger.

[orchid totem]

Not as much contribution as the United States

[thorny steeple]

Sooner or later it will, wait and watch.

[orchid totem]

maybe

[thorny steeple]

Take it as a prophecy, lol.

[orchid totem]

If Israel's actions were not like terrorist organizations, then there would be no terrorist organizations in the world

Not only did the Chinese people see the world, but they also saw it

[thorny steeple]

Yeah like China was very kind to Tibet 😂

[orchid totem]

If you want to defend them, you won

[orchid totem]

and xinjiang

i know

you will say concentration camp

[thorny steeple]

At least they are kind enough to give you this information.

[thorny steeple]

These are two kids having pillow fights.

And we are just commenting on it.

All this my land, your land nonsense is going to get them nowhere; they will fight, they will kill, and they will stop. It happened before and is happening now. History repeats.

[orchid totem]

no

This is what foreigners told me

[thorny steeple]

lol

[orchid totem]

Every country is similar, but the United States has gone too far

[thorny steeple]

Just pray for the people you like, if it works, it works, otherwise let it be.

[orchid totem]

India has more serious problems than China

[thorny steeple]

India will take care of it, I am not India.

[steep depot]

Like what

[orchid totem]

where are you from

caste system

industrialize

[thorny steeple]

People are having issues managing their family life, personal life, business, and passion, and you are expecting them to run a country successfully or even ordinarily?

[thorny steeple]

That bothers only a person whose ego is fragile. A really egoless person doesn't care.

[orchid totem]

？

[thorny steeple]

Why, only to allow people to detonate bombs there?

[orchid totem]

Someone will care

[thorny steeple]

just kidding

They will, do not worry.

Would you like to help as a neighbor?

Slow and steady wins the race.

[orchid totem]

What can I do for you

[thorny steeple]

A person is not a whole country.

[thorny steeple]

Just keep calm and watch.

[thorny steeple]

You are from China, but China is not yours.

[orchid totem]

Sure

[thorny steeple]

and if it is yours, then the whole world is, there are no divisions.

Remember Laozi and chill.

This is cosmos, not chaos.

but chaos is a part of it.

[orchid totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1165243333250134087/1170326552794365952/PPRZC1YHF08Q68U24B.gif?ex=6558a289&is=65462d89&hm=7c57c9b65951cf36edbb6b6f48a0cbd7b9cd51b994c90f772630424fb50763c4&

[craggy sphinx]

what cosmos are you talking about?

[thorny steeple]

Hey!

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[thorny steeple]

Lol, Israeli lies are being debunked by the western media now.
https://youtu.be/nQ-CxCEELmQ?si=enT9I2tBoKuu_zYQ

[jolly agate]

😂😂😂 what is this joke know i thought these guys are teaming up

[lavish finch]

Egoless?

How is that supposed to be a goal?

Egolessness is itself an ego driven goal

No, I accept that I have an ego.

Everyone does

It’s useful to have an ego and to care about things.

The idea that I can exist without a self and that I’d be better off that way is like saying I’ll be happy when I’m dead. No I won’t, because I won’t be anything or anywhere. Happiness is for the living only.

[idle sierra]

Dunno how the cast system works now, but doesn't it deny multiple civil rights from the lower end, restrict marriage between people of different social standing and all that jazz? It's more serious than the people calling you subhuman if you weren't born in the right family which is pretty cruel on its own.

[lavish finch]

Yes, it’s cruel.

[gilded axle]

Hi guys

Whts going on

[lavish finch]

Cruelty

hbu?

[thorny steeple]

I get your point, but the way you perceive it is different from the way he is stating it. I am not against ego or egolessness; both are interdependent things. And as you said, ego is what you identify yourself with. If it is not there, you are not. I am only saying that with or without a caste system, bias and unjustness will remain. There are so many places in India where people are not educated, but they will treat you nicely and will not care about your caste. And there are also places where they are educated and rich but still have a cruel or biased mindset. You can force discipline from the outside, but inside, a person remains vengeful and rebellious.

[thorny steeple]

And to be honest, people here do not care; if you give them equality, they will bring back bias because now they are too attached to it. Nobody wants a job; they want caste benefits, including the poor.

And the ones who want to do something do. They find their way; unfortunately, not everyone gets this experience, but there are so many of them who have contributed a lot. And the way foreigners portray it and the way people live here are different. The Indian Constitution was written by a man who was from a backward class.

[thorny steeple]

The mind.

[craggy sphinx]

What does this have to do with cosmos?

[thorny steeple]

It is somewhat like this: someone was born an innocent person. Now society has tormented the baby into believing it is trivial, incapable, and impotent. Now the baby has become so attached to it that even after growing up, he or she remains in that state. However, it is not like that anymore, and it is getting better. But I am pretty sure they will come up with new problems.

Social support and self-confidence are both needed. But I'm not sure if everyone is lucky enough to have them.

[thorny steeple]

Spread love, peace and, the truth.

This question only for muslims,What do you think about French Revolution? What iş the value of French R. According to İslamic point of view

[craggy sphinx]

Yes, I agree

But I don’t see the connection between “mind” and “love” in this context. If you are talking about his consequences, then ok.

no direct connection

[thorny steeple]

Do not see, feel it. Take a deep breath and relax. Smile.

[craggy sphinx]

I "take" this figuratively🙃

[thorny steeple]

How is your cause and effect?

[craggy sphinx]

but I like what you say

[thorny steeple]

or was it affect?

[craggy sphinx]

a consequence of the mind?

[thorny steeple]

Take it whichever way you want but smile. It will give a boost to my ego.

[thorny steeple]

I do not know, you were saying something about it a day before yesterday I guess.

[craggy sphinx]

It would be better if you stopped at the previous message

[thorny steeple]

I was kidding, lol. (no I was not)

[craggy sphinx]

yes

yesterday I explained the causal connection

but it seems that someone confused the scope of “conditionally” and the beginning of this connection

[thorny steeple]

I see. I do not know much about it, but does it keep you happy to know all this, or does it confuse you when you read a lot?

[craggy sphinx]

I don't know anything. I have no knowledge.

I have also explained this many times

[thorny steeple]

You really are funny.

[craggy sphinx]

Moreover, I still have a lot to learn

[thorny steeple]

The more you know, the less you know.

[thorny steeple]

So are you a skeptic?

An observer?

[late storm]

too serious here to spread love and peace, hardly can take a deep breath,other topics?

[thorny steeple]

so gossiping it is then, fine.

How about an ice-cream?

[late storm]

just try to soften the ambience, not have a specific intention

[thorny steeple]

I thought we would get into gats, glocks, and guns, lol.

[craggy sphinx]

I am chat control😎

[thorny steeple]

Soften the serious milieu.

[craggy sphinx]

Why soften something that has already been softened?

[thorny steeple]

I took it figuratively, but I like what you say.

This question only for muslims,What do you think about French Revolution? What iş the value of French R. According to İslamic point of view

[orchid totem]

i am back

Just finished school

[fluid geyser]

Hiya

[thorny steeple]

In India, it is very easy to break the law and get away with it. Everything you see is a fragment of truth and a facade. Smart criminals and people never get caught up in the law or society, and the innocent and naive become an audience for media and politics. All are tactics.

The least you could do is greet a person with a smile when you meet them. But if you do that to a girl, chances are she will call you a freak or a creep.

[idle sierra]

But then again, isn't it like that almost everywhere? Except the fact that they're somewhat open about the class system.

[orchid totem]

The racial issue has not been resolved yet

[thorny steeple]

On the surface, they are, but then again, black and white, religion and dogmas always interfere.

[idle sierra]

That's what I was trying to be getting at

[thorny steeple]

Exactly, it is not an Indian thing, it is human.

Also brits were the ones who brought it here, lol.

but you cannot blame them because it was always there in human minds.

[idle sierra]

What irritates me is the fact that this is only the tip of the iceberg.

[thorny steeple]

facts

[late storm]

Isabel Wilkerson - Caste The Origins of Our discontents. on want-to-read list

[thorny steeple]

100000000% true facts 😂

[thorny steeple]

People are merely scratching the surface here.

[late storm]

ultimate facts, client's own facts or other facts ,not the focal point. To parry away all the irritation, i take only legal facts😆

[thorny steeple]

Politics is a joke bro, all you can do is laugh.

[late storm]

seriously i was talking about some feeling about what's the facts or truth from my career's standpoint, i am a civil trail lawyer 😆

[thorny steeple]

If you get to know them, let me know.

[jolly agate]

but it rules.

[thorny steeple]

Sense of humor runs the world.

[late storm]

my sudden pang of involuntary ideological flow is off any meanings, but a Heineken not, it's about the beer time

[jolly agate]

how

[thorny steeple]

Come to India and be with me, I will show you how.

[jolly agate]

its better if can tell me

[jolly agate]

india isnt the only countrie what about other countries

[thorny steeple]

It is something to be experienced, it is better that way to be honest.

[thorny steeple]

Canada?

[jolly agate]

thats sit

[thorny steeple]

See you there.

[jolly agate]

you dont even know me

[thorny steeple]

I know Justin Trudeau.

[jolly agate]

illerelevent to our conversation

[thorny steeple]

All you care about is relevance, have a taste of life and relevance will come.

Maple syrup and pancakes will liberate you.

[jolly agate]

why whould u assume that??

[thorny steeple]

The first part or the last one?

[jolly agate]

fitst

[thorny steeple]

if first then you seem like a serious person

but I can be wrong

[jolly agate]

you assuming again

[thorny steeple]

.

[jolly agate]

yep

[thorny steeple]

yeah but if you like to chill, then canada is the deal.

CN Tower and cents of humor.

[jolly agate]

i can be chill antwhere however there are some excaptions

i dont need a perticulsr geographic location to br chill.

[thorny steeple]

aye aye caption!

[jolly agate]

good

[thorny steeple]

goods good

[jolly agate]

also, it would be better if you can point out the spelling misktakes.

[late storm]

Kaplan's logic reasoning textbook for Law School Admission Test, told me that when you saw a "if", should automatically try to pinpoint the missing assumptions

[thorny steeple]

you have a mixture of milkshakes.

[thorny steeple]

bruh what are you talking about?

[jolly agate]

explain.

[late storm]

i am considering the assumptions of your argument

[thorny steeple]

no gain in explain, it is vain.

[jolly agate]

how can you be sure

[thorny steeple]

I was kidding, wait.

I will explain.

[jolly agate]

good luck

[thorny steeple]

I said you have a lot of spelling errors, but it is fine.

[jolly agate]

nope

[thorny steeple]

It makes the text funny and interesting to read.

[jolly agate]

nope its not fine

leave it

i will

[thorny steeple]

🍃

[jolly agate]

learn

eventually

who knows

[thorny steeple]

Let's rake it.

[jolly agate]

sure

[unreal sorrel]

yo

[jolly agate]

hello

[unreal sorrel]

what are u guys discussing abt

[late storm]

beers?

[jolly agate]

overage

[late storm]

nonsense

[jolly agate]

may be

may be not

its just words

words way of cominucting

[unreal sorrel]

do u guys believe in god

[late storm]

the rage. accurate!

[unreal sorrel]

im atheist btw just thought it would be interesting conversation

[late storm]

no, why how what

[thorny steeple]

Are you kidding me? I am god.

[jolly agate]

we had that disscuans many times

[unreal sorrel]

give me 10 gf right now

[jolly agate]

you lonley

[thorny steeple]

Nice approach to life, good luck!

[late storm]

wrong god, and wrong guy. should ask Allah

[thorny steeple]

European or Turkish?

[jolly agate]

allah isnt the only god

[unreal sorrel]

are yall from middle east

[jolly agate]

who knows

[thorny steeple]

I am from everywhere. (India)

[late storm]

not kidding with Islam, i should stop

[unreal sorrel]

have u seen Ghajini

[jolly agate]

you do you

[thorny steeple]

My whole life has become Ghajini.

[jolly agate]

good

dont know what that is