🧠｜serious-chat

[exotic scarab]

some words lost its meaning because USA have some severe problem with delusional people who are entitled enough to call the police for nothing, and you can go even to jail for saying something thats reasonable and real, several tiktoks about that, people are just stupid i want to be delusional and different with those hairy armpits and half bold head🤢

yeah

[twilit current]

bro why u watch tik tok then?

[sour girder]

tik tok is watching you

[twilit current]

tik tok is a dump when it comes to opinions

[exotic scarab]

i don't watch at least not anymore but appear in a lot of youtube channel

[twilit current]

I hope so

its not always like that, depend where u live but yeah sometimes it is like that

and what kind of ppl u meet ofc

[twilit current]

kk

[exotic scarab]

the same weirdos we see on tiktok but it was on my school last years tones of the same weirdos

[floral nebula]

Thank God I never downloaded TikTok on mah phone

[twilit current]

yeah yeah

[exotic scarab]

trust me tiktok now days only have half naked woman there

[floral nebula]

[thorny steeple]

So tiktok is getting to place where Twitch is for years now

[twilit current]

I mean if ur parents work in some higher agency u may not download this

[exotic scarab]

yeah, at least here on the ocident, while in China is only educational content

[twilit current]

huh?

[floral nebula]

Fair enough

[thorny steeple]

China have access to tiktok?

[twilit current]

as a first country from what ik

[twilit current]

alr

[exotic scarab]

yeah in China there's no tiktok its banned, they created a family friendly one for thenselfs

[twilit current]

intresting

[thorny steeple]

oh i thought so

[twilit current]

I thought they also use it for some goofy stuff

[exotic scarab]

used to

[twilit current]

oh idk that, thanks for information

[exotic scarab]

or some of then uses vpn so they can use tiktok

[twilit current]

Yeah I heard about that

[thorny steeple]

I was surprised that country where everything is guarded by government, would have access to something like TikTok

[twilit current]

a lot of ppls prob use vpn to get normal media

[twilit current]

I mean they created it

[thorny steeple]

Oh, well that's ironic

[twilit current]

but fr its prob some spy thing

I guess so

[thorny steeple]

Like what's not spy thing nowadays, google is stealing your data nonstop, not talking about Windows

[exotic scarab]

it is, have you read the user law from the app? it says that they have all your informations and can use as the way they want

[thorny steeple]

As long you don't work on some high places, they don't care about you, damn they don't care about their own people.

[twilit current]

damn if thats fr I didnt pay attention

they should ban this at all!

[thorny steeple]

Not at all

[exotic scarab]

yes i'm american Brazilian

[twilit current]

AM MERICAN

a eagle

[thorny steeple]

I am European

[twilit current]

cool

[thorny steeple]

It's not, trust me.

[twilit current]

why?

[thorny steeple]

I can talk and write in english i guess, but my native language is not english.

[floral nebula]

Asian here
0-0

[twilit current]

BRUH I didnt expect that I thought ur more germanic than I even am

[thorny steeple]

No, not at all, that was just inner joke

[twilit current]

a lot of people say n word but they are not even black,

my uncle swear that word to cops and they were white too but they didnt care

[floral nebula]

Oh my my 😯😯

[exotic scarab]

because black person uses, even though people in slavery era used to use in a prejorative way

[thorny steeple]

So far what i know, n-pass and n-word are two different things.

[twilit current]

I was thinking about that bc of ur profile pic

[twilit current]

yeah

[exotic scarab]

because certain people aren't that sensitive

[thorny steeple]

beacuse of rapunzel?

[twilit current]

yeah

bc he was drunk xD

[exotic scarab]

fair

[twilit current]

my uncle was arrested for DUI , he was about to get more beer driving on atv that didnt end good for him 😂

[thorny steeple]

It's like permission to use n-word, but in real world nothing like n-pass exist.

[exotic scarab]

some people white like (i'm pale half black) wants to be black so bad, and i quite don't understand that

[twilit current]

npass its a meme thing

[twilit current]

for sure

[floral nebula]

Haha right. Though idk how does that indicate me being European. But I'm cool with this narrative. 😂✨

[twilit current]

I dont understadn that too some white folks on my neighborhood talk like they are black and they act like that it seems funny

[thorny steeple]

Which leads me to another topic we can discuss about and that's blackface

[twilit current]

I mean bc ur character on profile pic is pure germanic

from what ik

😂

[exotic scarab]

oh its not trust me, also there's pleny of people who are black and try some how be white like bleaching their hair

[thorny steeple]

Oh yea, that thing exist, but have no functionality outside.

[twilit current]

it may be real too

[exotic scarab]

it is, i saw many

[twilit current]

I get your point

[thorny steeple]

That's like closing your eyes to look like Asian

[exotic scarab]

HAHHHAHAH😂

[floral nebula]

Woah didn't know that!

[twilit current]

I was thinking about that, but only thing I like about black ppl its only music and maybe kind of cars , like I also like dodge charger

[twilit current]

yeah I saw in past some random tik tok about these characters from movies and they origin

xD

[floral nebula]

Sheesh, should have downloaded TikTok then.

[thorny steeple]

No reason

[twilit current]

I mean I like tik tok only for some aeshetic stuff and funny stuff thats all, I dont get any politcal stuff from there and I dont dive deep in it

to scam dumb ppl like....u nvm

[floral nebula]

And in my case I'm just not into social media platforms 😔

[twilit current]

thats cool for me

[thorny steeple]

Good, keep it like that.

[exotic scarab]

yay a person who don't have her brains melted

[twilit current]

nvm

if u really act like u are one or something idk

[twilit current]

this is even attractive to me tho

what I said

or typed

[floral nebula]

I will 🫶

[floral nebula]

Haha thank you 🫶

[floral nebula]

🥺🫶 thanks

[thorny steeple]

I relate a lot, the only instant messaging platform I'm truly into is Discord.

[remote tide]

Free Palestine

Guys

pray for them

[exotic scarab]

everyone wear your helmets it will appear another discussion about the war

[jolly agate]

yo true

[remote tide]

But in your opinion who is oppressed

Israel or Palestine

[exotic scarab]

i don't care about wars

[jolly agate]

starving childeren and people who have lost their homes, fmaily, friends

[remote tide]

Ok thank you

[jolly agate]

war is a reprehensible act.

[thorny steeple]

if you ever stop talking about the people who are being oppressed, you'll let them down, it's not a trend that should go with wind, a real genocide that is nothing like anything have been witnessed in the history of mankind is being committed right now in front of the whole world while everybody is watching, these people need to be heard of, and we must not ever forget their ongoing suffrage.

[remote tide]

Yes your right

Imagine tens of thousands of people dying from the bombardment

[jolly agate]

for what reason?? Money land status

Power

[thorny steeple]

if one day, your country is gotten into an invasion and the enemy is using all sort of globally illegal weapons and is going on a brutal killing rampage, you see everybody around you is either killed, or critically injured, and then you see someone from another country relaxing his ass on a comfortable chair or lying on the bed and saying, I don't care about wars, how would you feel about that my friend?

[manic briar]

Eu and west made laws even for animal rights but with a hypocracy they just close their eyes to what s happening in Palestine, the history will judge all of them

[random folio]

Hi guys! New here. I need your help about a story I'm writing. Could someone please rescue me

[jolly agate]

we in midst of an discussion

we czn still help

[random folio]

I want to describe a beard I can't send pictures but I don't know how can I do that

Well I will just send the link

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1117177040190320650/1167928044581834832/image.png?ex=654fe8c0&is=653d73c0&hm=88df0f022b1ee40f76f44d418995353d3a6c6c76943fed004dea75a2de4572fb&

[thorny steeple]

you can copy and paste or download it on your local machine and then upload it using the add button in the chat if you see it.

[random folio]

I don't have permisson to attach anything

[manic briar]

i wish Aliens would invade the world and all the nations, religious would have to come together and realizethat we have to live together in peace

[thorny steeple]

maybe 'cause you're a newcomer, I think you need to wait about 15 to 30 minutes or something like that.

[jolly agate]

may be

[exotic scarab]

i would say its ok and the world can be unfair some times, but i don't neglect totally the war i'm just tired media people who want some 30 seconds fame using war as a ladder, it always will exist war, always someone will die at some time doesn't matter if its for bad choice or because of oldness, this cycle will never ends, its the cycle of human life on this trashy world

[random folio]

A'ight I just sent the discord link from another chat. So it should be visible from a browser. I really would apprecihate it, if someone could tell me how to describe it. is Rugged enough? Do I need to go more into the detail?

[thorny steeple]

certain ideologies are built upon destruction and conflict, I don't think uniting everybody on one specific end goal is applicable.

[twilit current]

u welcome

[twilit current]

Free Izrael

[jolly agate]

you just want something catastrophic to happen so that we all can live in peace, peace isnt something you can obtain by inbuing fear in someone.

[random folio]

Damn, there is a joke potential here but it's not very nice 🤣

[twilit current]

what u mean?

[random folio]

Nah I am not gonna go to detail. I am done.

[remote tide]

Hahaha ah

[twilit current]

You guys are like my neighborhood, very muslim

[random folio]

Also seems like you are a native

[twilit current]

okay

[remote tide]

This is your choice

[random folio]

Could you please help me to describe a beard. I never did that and I kinda don't know how to do it

[twilit current]

what choice, whats so funny?

[random folio]

I need to describe this guy's beard basicly for a story I'm wrting

[manic briar]

i just wanna exaggrate the issue so make people notice, why we are fighting eachother, do we need a common big enemy to be united?

[twilit current]

am scared to click that

[random folio]

I swear to the Lord that it is just a photo

[thorny steeple]

White good cared full beard?

[thorny steeple]

this is not a normal war, the world is witnessing a real genocide, it means that a whole nation is being wiped out, everybody! including men, women, children, elderly, and even street cats, they are being simply annihilated for committing absolutely nothing, these people request, need, and want your voice, why would you be so tight to help these people who are being oppressed??

[twilit current]

I dont want to click that shi thats it

[random folio]

OK then seems like I am not gonna find any help here

[thorny steeple]

I feel like I already read this conversation about war so i am gonna skip this one.

[random folio]

thanks guy I am leaving yall to war talks

[jolly agate]

i dont know why we pick sides during a war. like its some kind of video game. peopel are literary diying from both side. so rather then saying free that or free that. just say stop the war

atleast its a better alternative

[jolly agate]

honor

[twilit current]

For me ppl who fight on Palestine side are just commiting war crimes

[twilit current]

BRO SAY THAT TO PEOPLE WHO RULE WORLD

[jolly agate]

we not fighting

[twilit current]

normal people are against wars, only psycho are into wars, only some masons do that

[manic briar]

I mean why countries are fighting

[jolly agate]

power, status, money.

[twilit current]

yeah and ppl that we dont expect

[exotic scarab]

because i don't know anything all i see in the media is lie, i want the same justice as you because hamas killed someone from my country, i stay silent so people don't judge my believes and ideologies, i want a fair world, but this world is the purgatory, i don't want to see kids dying because of a war, because i want kids and i would never let then suffer like me

[twilit current]

I have simmilar opinion

[jolly agate]

a fare world you have to be joking

[manic briar]

Today i watched many children dead in the bombings and i was having dinner but couldnt eat anything after then, we all lost our values and we have to wake up

[thorny steeple]

that's the ugly truth about war, people die, they are called casualties of war, but you can still support the party that is being oppressed, and despise the party that is being the oppressor.

[jolly agate]

a fare cannot be created as long as humans exist.

[exotic scarab]

i know the world is not fair at all, but my kids in the future will not suffer

[twilit current]

bruh

[twilit current]

so how jews are being the oppressor?

[manic briar]

I do not judge any religion but i was suprised when a Radical jewish channel and they beleive that both christians and muslims should be killed in their promised lands, what ideology is this?

[formal scaffold]

Palsetine is a colonialist country, and Israel is the victim

[twilit current]

that sucks

[twilit current]

yeah

[thorny steeple]

for example, Israel is an occupation power, zionists have long stolen the land, so to me, if these people don't simply return the land to its natives, they are the ones calling for a war, and the main cause of all the tragedies.

[exotic scarab]

i hop its correct

[jolly agate]

see
flare we have supporters from both sides thinking their countre is being the oppresed.

who's the one actully being oppresed right now?

[thorny steeple]

I never said "Jews" are being the oppressors, I just simply said oppressors, I'm pretty sure these are the zionists, regardless of their religious affiliations or beliefs.

[jolly agate]

casue both sides are killing. both sdies are dying, because some peopel on top did not like what the other had or what ever dont knowmuch

[twilit current]

I had to read what zionist thing is

[twilit current]

Honestly idk that nation much but I think some ppl are some not thats it

[manic briar]

In the history nobody can show a country bombs hopsitals by purpose mant times, this is not acceptable and it s a war crime

[formal scaffold]

who are the Semites?

[manic briar]

Whoever bombs civilians should be punished either jews or muslims

[twilit current]

I think some jews

[thorny steeple]

guys, the issue is not complicated whatsoever, it's a matter of a crime that involves great powers, such as the united kingdom, which I think is one of the major parties in this whole thing.
you can watch this video to get more insight: https://youtu.be/zE8GCX1w3ys?si=c2BDvHJDICKyS65h

[twilit current]

damn another pro palestine propaganda shit talk

[manic briar]

Who can agree on Bombing hospitals

[thorny steeple]

it's history my friend, deal with it.

[twilit current]

Yep

thats it and I take that

[formal scaffold]

If you just wanna see it from one side, that tells me a lot about you on that matter

[twilit current]

but its beyond me that they are some ppl that use internet and support war criminals

[jolly agate]

its in human nature

[twilit current]

and they talk about that openly

[twilit current]

ik ik

[jolly agate]

becuase its internet

[twilit current]

I dont "want" to see it from one side I just see how it its

[formal scaffold]

from what it pleases you I see

[thorny steeple]

sometimes you have to wage wars in order to establish peace, that's the ongoing conflict between good and evil since the beginning of the existence of mankind.

[twilit current]

so who is bad and who good?

[thorny steeple]

I don't like wars, but as I always say, it's the harsh reality.

[manic briar]

Who decided who is good and evil

[twilit current]

yeaahhh

[formal scaffold]

wrong, you have to die and wait for another 80 years so that the Unicef will save you

[exotic scarab]

read the history of both they are conected so you will discover

[thorny steeple]

The bad one will be the one who will lose, as it's always that way in history.

[twilit current]

Yeah yeah its prob on some ongoing things about territory and stuff and that, that a lot of ppl in that place is racist to each other I get it

Too much ppl hate each other bc of the past/history

[jolly agate]

there are no bad and good guys in wars, i can guarantee you any one from both side can convince me that one side is right and other is wrong in more cohreant and concise way.

[twilit current]

Sometimes it may be true

[formal scaffold]

Colonialisme isn't bad

[jolly agate]

its only inocoent who dies

[twilit current]

bc someone is forced to fight by someone

[manic briar]

The world will never understand the mwntality of Israel and jews who killed all the prophets they have been granted

[jolly agate]

no they did not

[manic briar]

Those were the jews who opressed the Jesus

[twilit current]

but some ppl choose to kill

[jolly agate]

you choose to be soldire.

[twilit current]

Oh ur going that way

[jolly agate]

yes

[twilit current]

But I dont understand why Palestine attacked Izrael

like more deeply

[jolly agate]

why did isrel had to attack back.

when they could ahev talked the matters out

[manic briar]

They are in olen prison for years

[formal scaffold]

Same like why? they should've lived in open air prisoned with their mouth shut

[jolly agate]

its all big sceam made by devlish minds who control the from the shadows

[twilit current]

who

[twilit current]

That may be true

[manic briar]

So i wish your children live in open prison and you understand what that means

[thorny steeple]

the decision between whether something is good or evil goes down to people's morale, or the objective source of morality people affiliate to (for us as Muslims it's Islam), but there are certain things that are subject to a consensus between all rational and sane human beings, such as killing innocent children is morally bad.

[exotic scarab]

if someone stole something who are really important that you have a sentimental attachement wouldn't you use brutal force?

[jolly agate]

america is really open, but I can gurentee that there are other peopel who control amerca other then Joe Biden

[twilit current]

Yep it is

[thorny steeple]

@manic briar

[twilit current]

I totaly agree

[formal scaffold]

I don't wish to understand that, I support every colonialistic force, and if you defend yourself i'll call it a terrorist attack, self defence isn't a right for lowly humans

[twilit current]

Hah good one

[thorny steeple]

sometimes I feel the same.

[jolly agate]

its ture

[manic briar]

Israel killed 450 people in 2023 beforw the war civilians children what would you say this?

[twilit current]

if ur fr u should join our goverement

[thorny steeple]

what the hell are you saying bro!!

[jolly agate]

you think a person who cant even speck correctly adn someone who cant even walk properlly can run a countire like america

[formal scaffold]

They killed more before that, so what? their lives aren't interesting as much as isrealies lives

[thorny steeple]

@formal scaffold
oh wait, you were being sarcastic, I thought you were serious. 😂

damn it's getting spicy here

[manic briar]

I am against all civilian deaths but you support what istael is doing

[twilit current]

BUT I STILL DONT GET why Palestine should attack Izrael

[formal scaffold]

OFC I am I don't associate with people who support colonialisme

[twilit current]

fr

[twilit current]

bruh

I thought ur fr

[formal scaffold]

I know you would think that

[twilit current]

Yeah yeah I would

[manic briar]

Look at history of jews, from everywhere they made conflict, spain exppeled them at 1490s

[exotic scarab]

USA is diseased place with delusional people with technology who can make their melt their own brains to make more slave workers

[twilit current]

Dayum

[formal scaffold]

okey I'mma swap teams

[twilit current]

why u think delusional?

[thorny steeple]

alright bro, I'll say this once again even though it's really crystal clear, ZIONISTS stole the land from its natives, and these natives are trying to get it back.

[exotic scarab]

lgbt+ people, and also they think they're the center of the world, they can't name their own states, they spend most of their times in their phones, watching "pron" drungs, they don't even respect thenselfs of course some people

[twilit current]

alr get it but natives are going nuts on civilians

[twilit current]

Alr I dont made mostly this category damn

[exotic scarab]

because most civilians are the newer generation of old jews

[twilit current]

Okay.....

am not gonna argue about that one

[formal scaffold]

In politics there are three types of people those who inform themselves before making a conclusion, those who make conclusions then get the info that supports that, and those who follows the majorities and the large media opinion, now you can diagonose yourself according to how much objective you can be.

[twilit current]

I dont follow media, I barely watch tv , yes I read news in the internet sometimes but I dont take everything 100% sure

[thorny steeple]

I don't buy this narrative, I don't see any evidence that Hamas has intentionally killed any civilian, they have stated many times they are not in any way targeting civilians, maybe some rogue people did kill them, but we can't verify these were people from Hamas, or at least we can't verify they killed unarmed innocent civilians to be more specific.

[twilit current]

I dont say I dont agree

but that made me thinking more deeply

but am not into all things u typed here

[thorny steeple]

on the other hand, we have hostages speaking out of their experience with Hamas soldiers, and they described them with all sort of good characteristics.

let me show you some.

[formal scaffold]

the question is .... who's counting? those who has the upper hand limit the information getting out from there and manipulate it to some extent, and who has the upper hand there?

[manic briar]

"Anyone who aims weapons at innocent civilian populations is unjust, and there are rules even in war. It is said that even an honorable enemy is acceptable. Cutting off the most basic needs of civilian populations, such as water, food, and energy, is a crime against humanity, and those who support it are, in the simplest terms, heartless."

[twilit current]

Like YES they killed innocent ppl without doubt but maybe meaning of this war is more deep....

[formal scaffold]

if you can't deduct that yourself than I'm sorry for you

[twilit current]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

I wonder, what makes this war so special compare to war on Ukraine that nobody is talking about it?

[twilit current]

Yeah yeah now its something else

[jolly agate]

More dead people

[exotic scarab]

why should someone count deaths? at the end of the day the war will give more consequences than deaths

[twilit current]

but I think its very simmilar kind of war to this in middle east

[thorny steeple]

@twilit current
here, this old woman was a hostage, she literally destroyed Israel after testifying within ISRAEL after she was released that Hamas treated her nicely and gently, and provided all her needs, this interview was all taking by the Israeli media itself.

[twilit current]

but Ukraine place is more straight up

[thorny steeple]

@twilit current
here is another one.

[twilit current]

damn

[manic briar]

It's important to ask those who defend Israel, "In which country's history have we seen the bombing of schools and hospitals, even targeting children? Witnessing such acts in this century doesn't demonstrate their cruelty?" A mindset that claims everything in the promised lands as their own, regardless of who lives there, is a threat to all of humanity, not just Muslims but also Christians. In fact, they made this clear by bombing churches in Palestine.

[thorny steeple]

@twilit current
that's the lady when she was released, she chose to shake the Hamas soldier's hand, and this clip was taken by Hamas itself by the way.

you can see the watermark.

[twilit current]

watermark of terrirsts

[thorny steeple]

the woman could easily say they treated her horrible, and she could chose not to shake that solider's hand.

[thorny steeple]

yeah sure, terrorists drink tea with their hostages. 😂

[twilit current]

PEOPLE STILL SUFFER BC OF THE WAR, for example these bombings

[formal scaffold]

counting is essential to show the world what's truly happening there but it's almost impossible, if you have the 4th strongest army in the world occupying almost 90% of a country, you think they won't manipulate info and stats there for the whole passing years in their favor? that's what I'm saying they even cut electricity and internet for a reason, so that the world won't see the real image of what's happening

[twilit current]

I mean not at tall

am suprised that you guys agree on a lot of things but still argue about specifics

[thorny steeple]

yeah, the people of Palestine in Gaza are being brutally bombed, I can provide documented evidence of that, but there will be a graphic content.

[twilit current]

u dont have to, I dont want u get a ban by some video

[formal scaffold]

But i don't care about the world knowing I'm talking from frustration, cause even if the whole world knows nothing will change, mere puppets can't move on their own will

[twilit current]

I already said things that may be count as racist

[thorny steeple]

I don't argue about anything, I deduce based on evidence, Hamas is not my nephew. 😂

[twilit current]

alr whatever that mean

[thorny steeple]

it means that if Hamas was objectively proven a terrorist group I wouldn't be supporting it.

[jolly agate]

someone asked me yesterday when should one be able to make their live choices about their religion? How would u respond that

[formal scaffold]

the word terrorist itself it's used by manipulative people who uses it to manipulate people I wouldn't take it seriously

and they don't use it when it suits them

[manic briar]

"However, rest assured that no oppressive state has ever succeeded in history; it's a law of nature just like the law of gravity. Israel cannot succeed because it acts with oppression and anger."

[jolly agate]

Your guys going to fast that slow mode to enable itself or some turned it on

[thorny steeple]

someone once called me a terrorist just because I said "Alsalamu Alikum" (peace be upon you). 😂

some islamophobs are sick.

[formal scaffold]

Yeah it's a the modern way of war, killing cultures and ideologies and religions using manipulative ways and media, and if you aren't based you'll get crushed by numbers, humans tend to follow the majority bc it's mostly true

which makes us easy to manipulate

[formal scaffold]

Best response i had about that word was: "I'm a terrorist only bc you are terrorized of me"

[thorny steeple]

Lol.

[manic briar]

A question to all do you think Turkey will involve in the war and what may be the consequences?

[thorny steeple]

I don't think saying "i am terrorist" no matter what you will say after is good idea nowadays

[jolly agate]

a beginning of great reset

[formal scaffold]

a thing I learned recently from a guy is you don't have to justify yourself and your beliefs to anyone who's accusing you of smth, you don't have too they have their own convictions cultures, perspectives, traditions, if you accept theirs by default (especially the westerns) you aren't under any circumstance obliged to answer them

[thorny steeple]

here is also another one, "if being good means I'm a terrorist, then I sure am".

[thorny steeple]

I totally agree, we're just kinda messing around.

[formal scaffold]

I'm not, if I'm labeled a terrorist I can reply in any way I see fit

[thorny steeple]

Well you do you, but by saying that you can get easily arested or even shot on place on some states.

[formal scaffold]

it's diffrent from going around and saying I'm terrorist if you can't make a diffrence -_-

the word was adopted by the US when they wanted to destroy Iraq and takes it oil (to save the world)

[jolly agate]

Save the world?

[formal scaffold]

exactly to save the world

[jolly agate]

we only got limited amounts of oil. how they gonna save the world with that

[formal scaffold]

I can't relate everything that happens then if you don't know you don't know

save the world is the (excuse / truth) according to what you believe, not by using oil, but by occupying iraq and killing its president

[thorny steeple]

but some countries don't tolerate that at all, you might get into trouble.

[formal scaffold]

a guy in new zealand got inside a mosque killed 22 people and injured many others was he labled as terrorist?

I can give u tons of examples the word is used against a certain groupe since 9/11

[thorny steeple]

he's objectively terrorist, no one needs to label him that, but I got your point.

[formal scaffold]

U can call him that all day but you won't see media and general opinion supporting u

[thorny steeple]

.

[mental peak]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

yeah I completely agree with you, I also have witnessed many incidents that should've been labelled a terrorist attack, yet the media only uses this term on mostly Islamic groups.

or maybe only on Islamic groups.

even if they did absolutely nothing wrong.

[formal scaffold]

which leads me to my next point

getting to know yourself more and be sure about your beliefs and ideologies will make u less and less affected by this kind of mind attacks

[mental peak]

Am I interupting something?

[formal scaffold]

Imaging meeting a stranger who calls you names and making conclusions about you without knowing you, would you trust yourself more or his opinion more? the more you trust your opinion about yourself the less he affects you

[formal scaffold]

Nah, it's a free chat

[mental peak]

Oh, I just need some help regarding english teaching

if anyone's available, preferably with TESOL experience

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch

[mental peak]

I need to teach a bunch of students who are rather poor in english vocabulary but relatively ok at their native language
I have some past year papers on hand
I don't think Direct method works since their vocabulary is so poor, it's mostly Grammar translation method for the past few weeks
But it felt repetitive for the students and they start to get distracted
I need to come up with something relatively fun for them

[thorny steeple]

do you know when people call someone "based"? I think that's what they mean.

[formal scaffold]

I'm based

[thorny steeple]

I was about to say that. 😂

[thorny steeple]

that's right.

[thorny steeple]

turn things into challenges and make up a means for the students to track their progress, such as a progress bar or a points method, especially the one that involves leaderboards, they are so effective, people get really motivated if they view their progress, that's actually a trick I learned from the game development industry, also competition might be a good idea sometimes, just make sure to not let it go overboard 'cause it can get messy.

[mental peak]

Prize incentive?

[thorny steeple]

that can also be a good idea.

[mental peak]

I've got a 3d printer, could always print some small trinkets as a prize

[thorny steeple]

I use this method in my personal JavaScript course, and I'm also planning on using some of these methods on my graduation project team at college.

[mental peak]

Should i keep using Grammar translation method?

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure what that is, as I'm not an English teacher myself, but I don't think translating into one's native language is a good idea, at least not always, it adds an extra process for people to use the language.

[mental peak]

it's kind of a headache because their vocabulary is very poor

[exotic scarab]

but you can practice before the exam

[thorny steeple]

maybe in this specific situation it's a good fit, but I'd suggest you ask people like @lavish finch , he's one of the most knowledgeable English teachers I know.

[mental peak]

I guess I really need to turn it into a game

What about Kahoot?

[lavish finch]

Here

Ah, the question of grammar translation.

Surprisingly it's the first time this question has ever come up here all year.

It's a great question.

If you don't know, there is a method for language learning called grammar translation. You learn by going back and forth from one language to the other. First translating from the new language into your own. Then later from your own into the new language.

[mental peak]

Hi, I'm a teacher in practice studying for a tesol degree

[lavish finch]

Great, welcome.

I use GMT a lot, but I admit that it has problems.

[mental peak]

I don't think direct method could work in this case because their vocabs are just that bad

silent method isn't a thing in my country either

task based learning could work but then again it requires translation occasionally which circles back to GTM

[lavish finch]

There's no way to avoid all translation, that just wouldn't make any sense.

But it is possible to focus too much on grammar theory and lose sight of practical usage.

[mental peak]

I mean given their vocabulary knowledge translation is mandatory, i think

[lavish finch]

Grammar is just a nightmare. For the teacher and for the student.

But it can't be waved away. Avoiding it is not a solution.

[mental peak]

especially when english is a very inconsistent language when it comes to ruleset from experience

[lavish finch]

A good teacher is going to make the complexity of grammar learning digestible.

And pair it with usage.

Correct mistakes but not expect perfection.

Incorporate the learning of grammar into a comprehensive skills development plan.

[mental peak]

So a hybrid of GTM with other methods?

GTM + TBLT perhaps

[lavish finch]

I taught English for 20 years before I could summarize the present perfect tense into one sentence.

[mental peak]

Oh, about that.

I'm from Malaysia, and the way we teach english is basically imprint through repetition. "Past perfect present tense" the word isn't really used until university.

[lavish finch]

The present perfect is used to talk about an action that started in the past and is continuing up until the present.

For example, "I have started my school assignment."

have + verb (past participle)

Repitition needs to be strategic, otherwise it is ineffective.

[mental peak]

noted.

Do you have anything to say on making learning interesting?

[lavish finch]

Study what interests you.

[mental peak]

My students are getting real bored when I go through questions and explaining them

[lavish finch]

Teach what interests you. Your interest will rub off on them.

[mental peak]

I mean I kind of understand. It's like a laundry list at that point

[lavish finch]

That's just the reality of being a youth. They are not just learning English. They are being socialized into society.

[mental peak]

Could themed classes help?

[lavish finch]

As children they did what they wanted. As teens they are discovering that society expects things from them and that is understandably shocking.

Teachers of youth, like parents of youth, are working with a very particular dynamic across a divide. Adults and youth are not the same.

[mental peak]

I see.

Granted I'm only 21 so I might still have some leftovers in the youth stage

[lavish finch]

It's the reality of life that generations come and pass knowledge to the next, and in that process knowledge is lost.

There are certain realities that are hard to face. The teacher can set an example by facing those realities themselves.

The first is that there may be no interest in what the teacher is doing.

The teacher's job is to face that reality without punishing the youth for their sincere lack of interest.

Otherwise the teacher makes their job more difficult by waging war on the youth's experience.

That's not easy

To devote yourself to something and be told, "I have no interest in that whatsoever."

That's why I say, find the interest for yourself first.

Your genuine passion for what you're teaching will penetrate the generational fog.

[mental peak]

That's some great insight, thank you

I'll definitely keep that in mind.

[lavish finch]

You're welcome

The passion of teachers who I fought when I was a child is still with me.

I can remember it clearly now even though I didn't understand it then.

Returning to the question of learning method and grammar translation, chatgpt identifies over a dozen distinct methods.

I would say I see some value in all of the different approaches described. And that each person can explore for themselves what works best.

[mental peak]

yeah i had that in my textbook as well

[mental peak]

Kahoot seems to get them riled up

Next up I guess I should try to incorporate that into actual teaching since they are more interested in the gaming aspect than actually learning English (which can be a bit boring).

I see the value in making them actually look forward to learning, I just need to sneak the learning elements into it

Since it's very noticeable the attention drop once the game ends

[sonic lion]

my man serious chat is so dead lately

[mental peak]

I mean it's probably clear that the students just want to have a good time

And to that I agree to some extent

But what if they can learn without noticing it?

[sonic lion]

Well, I did

I learned by being a internet addicted

[static pivot]

That's not serious

and it does not serve the purpose of serious chat

[sonic lion]

Someone is dead and you think it’s not serious

That’s cruel

[mental peak]

Can a moderator purge the conversation above or something. It's non serious chat related

[ornate siren]

Vivek is the OWNER of the server

[sonic lion]

Gosh stop being so robotic

It’s natural

Just bring a topic and forget it

What

[mental peak]

yeah?

[sonic lion]

Dead again

Let’s discuss those interesting topics

[mental peak]

I guess I'll have to try to design questions around making it subtle about learning

[sonic lion]

I wish we had a bot that would give us serious topics for serious chat

[abstract cypress]

https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4258709-upenn-loses-big-donor-board-member-resigns-citing-antisemitism/amp/

lmao my college's gonna be next

[lavish finch]

Good. Better not to live with golden shackles.

[abstract cypress]

they'll raise my tuition though

rip upenn students expecting there next tuition hike

universities shouldn't be political

[lavish finch]

Everything is political. Especially public institutions. The more you seek to avoid politics, the more obvious it is that politics run the day.

[abstract cypress]

then they shouldn't tiptoe between not condemning terrorists and issuing token recognition to what's happening in the middle east, their ambiguity strucks hard

upenn actually disabled their comment section ☠️

[lavish finch]

But that is precisely the issue

the political issue

They are not serving their students

or the public

they are serving their financial masters

what could be more political?

[abstract cypress]

They're a business. Especially private schools. The catch 22 is they claim to be bastions of free speech and permit everything but they're beholden to people that makes them running smoothly.

If there's no donors, the US higher education system would collapse

It just so happens that many of the top donors, and indeed rich people, are Jewish

[lavish finch]

Business is political

They pretend its not, but it is the exercise of power

[abstract cypress]

the problem is they can't run without business

[lavish finch]

Schools used to be almost free. They run on money to reign in students through dept.

The costs are politically motivated

[abstract cypress]

Schools are expensive to run. Although my school in particular is a bit scammy. Faculty, labs, libraries, &c. aren't gonna pay themselves

[lavish finch]

High tuition is a mechanism of social control

[abstract cypress]

Also state governments give less and less funding to public universities. So they're forced to beg to alumni instead

yes for example funding israel lmao

[lavish finch]

There is a trend towards paying administrators more, like CEOs.

While the laborers, the teachers, are paid less

It’s a corporate and exploitative model

The goal is to destroy public education like they destroyed public health care.

[abstract cypress]

There are faculty who are paid more and paid less. If I were in charge I would pay them based on rated performance by students. Some of my professors are actually careless towards me, while others attentive.

[lavish finch]

No, rated performance by students I oppose.

You can, but I think that’s a mistake

[abstract cypress]

Also NCAA is stupid as hell and unneccessary. I would rather stop spending hundreds of millions on football and help student loans instead.

[lavish finch]

Yes

[abstract cypress]

then it's unfair to us students

[lavish finch]

Dollar democracies are unjust

[abstract cypress]

it's called meritocracy

teach, explain, and open office hours instead of ghosting your students

[lavish finch]

Better that the students pay nothing and society pays for public goods.

You’re suffering from teachers who are being exploited.

[abstract cypress]

If I paid almost 50 grand on tuition I am absolutely getting my money's worth

Especially from tenured professors who are job secure

Actually it's not even job security. Faculty can hop to whatever college they want to if they think they dont get a fair deal here

Not NCAA itself, but the conferences

[upper flax]

concussion chat?

[lavish finch]

Sports are a financial drain.

[abstract cypress]

First of all, it's football 🏈🏈🏈🏈🏈

Second. NCAA is a kinda sports league for university sports in the USA. The primary sport is football, but they do basketball, soccer, lacrosse &c. other sports as well. Every American university is a member of NCAA and have their own sports teams. They have massive stadiums bulit specifically for college football. In fact the University of Michigan's stadium is the 3rd biggest in the world.

[hot galleon]

Hello

[lavish finch]

By all means, share! I hate sports with a passion.

[jolly agate]

it’s free for all chat my bud, don’t hold back when you have something to say, the entire purpose of this server is to have group discussions that can help us improve our knowledge on something we do know or something we do not know.

[twilit current]

my dad like football

[mental peak]

I hate sportswashing, is all

[lavish finch]

Describe it with words

[fading abyss]

[kind granite]

[whole beacon]

https://twitter.com/CensoredMen/status/1718304210314314032?t=GXlMQtT507vplV0KysT2Hw&s=19

So sry but i had to send dis

[young pawn]

I change the language of my phone and Siri into English, so that I can surround myself with an English context.

Currently the only native who can talk with me is Siri in English

[exotic scarab]

my Lord, God bless that soul

[young pawn]

To be honest I badly want to make friends with the native speakers who can also use WeChat etc. However I think it almost impossible because WeChat is an app mainly for Chinese

[exotic scarab]

yeah hardly you find natives in this kind of apps, but you can use the monkeyapp

[young pawn]

What is monkey app? Is it an English learning app available in Chinese?

[exotic scarab]

its almost the same thing of the omegle

[young pawn]

Let me look up the google

[young pawn]

It looks like a chat app

[exotic scarab]

exactly and you have a chance to talk with a native

[young pawn]

I will try to use it. Thanks for your recommendation !

[exotic scarab]

you welcome

[thorny steeple]

@abstract cypress yo bro! you need to watch this.

[thorny steeple]

apologizing about what? sharing the truth? don't be sorry bro.

[oak spire]

Hello

How are u guys....

[whole beacon]

Cuz of server rules

[oak spire]

What are u talking about ?

[whole beacon]

Scroll up see the twiter link

[oak spire]

Where are u from

[oak spire]

I just saw it but i didn't continue the video because I saw that flag so...

[oak spire]

We know the truth

[whole beacon]

We do , rest of the world don't

[abstract cypress]

I agree with that except on the point when he said "they insisted their homeland should be Palestine". That's extremely false. Palestine is the Jewish homeland since time immemorial. Before Arabs, before the Romans, there was a thriving Jewish civilization.

But Israel is a racist state since it's founding, yes. The Jews absolutely deserve to settle in Palestine, but they should co-exist with the Arabs who are there now, not displace them

and Palestine (the region) isn't an "Arab country", the Jews lived there too and they are originally from there so

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

this ancient state is quite literally the origin of the term "Jew"

[thorny steeple]

I noticed something very good about you by the way Czarski, you don't have any problem to acknowledge and admit the truth if you're convinced apparently, however, allow me to point out a mistake you made, historically speaking, Israelis and the kingdom of Judah weren't the first to live in the southern Levant, this is a claim not even Jews can make, 'cause it's stated in their holy books, the people who lived before the Israelis were still ancient Arabs, they are commonly referred to as "Canaanites" which is the pre-Israelite indigenous population residing in the southern Levant, so even historically, Jews are not outright indigenous to this land, so it's not "extremely false", it's "extremely true".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200528115829.htm#:~:text=The people who lived in,biblical texts as the Canaanites.

[thorny steeple]

surely Arabs lived there, which include Muslims, Christians, and Jews.

[abstract cypress]

No. Canaanites were not "Arabs". In fact, neither the term "Arab" nor the Arabic language exists when ancient Israel was founded (which arose from earlier Canaanite societies because ancient Israelites are Canaanite).

The most simple proof of this is that Hebrew is a northwest Semitic language which directly descends from Canaanite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_languages). All other Canaanite languages except Hebrew has disappeared, giving Jews the right to claim themselves as the only direct descendants of ancient Canaanite society. Arabic, in comparison, is a central Semitic language. Which has no relation at all with Canaanite.

The first documented Arab polity to exist anywhere near Palestine is the Nabatean Kingdom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabataean_Kingdom) which exists some half a millenium after the first Jewish kingdoms existed in Palestine. Which made them late-comers. And not indigenous, since they have a nomadic lifestyle compared to the Jews's sedentary.

So yeah, Jews as an ethnic group are indigenous to Palestine. The ancient Israelites are Canaanites themselves who adopted monotheism centered upon YHWH (God in Judaism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites there is no differing ancient Israelites from Canaanites because they are the same. Modern DNA tests have shown that the Jews as a whole have similar unchanging genes across the world (https://www.asor.org/anetoday/2015/06/genetics-and-the-archaeology-of-ancient-israel/) that are consistent with ancient Israelite populations.

tl;dr = Jews are indigenous to Palestine, Palestine is the homeland of the Jews

tl;dr #2 = the Jews speak Hebrew, an ancient language from ~3000 years ago which is derived from Canaanite.

Arabic on the other hand have no relation with it

also, these are all archaeological evidence. Not holy books that can be edited to heart's delight.

fun fact: the word Palestine itself is Hebrew

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/philistine_n

פְּלִשְׁתִּים = ‎ Pəlīštīm

the greeks adopted it and the romans then changed the name of the region from Judea to Palestine

[abstract cypress]

one more thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaanite_religion

Every Canaanite god here is mentioned in the Hebrew Tanakh (while it isn't an archaeological evidence, it's a proof of the continuaton between Canaanites and Jews as an ethnic group)

the canaanite chief god El is revered in Judaism (= El Shaddai, God Most High). YHWH, originally one kf the Canaanite deities, is turned into the only god in Judaism when ancient Israelites formed a new religion.

[serene birch]

Note: this is not a judgment, it is legal facts.

[fluid bronze]

it's true, and currently jews are not the descendants of biblical jews

[abstract cypress]

jews are as indigenous to Palestine as navajos are to Arizona and germans are to germany

[fluid bronze]

indegenous since how much time?

[serene birch]

The Greeks and Persians are also native to Turkish lands, so they should occupy there too. So let's open Pandora's box and let the nuclear warheads fly in the air.

[abstract cypress]

and every jew across the world has the right to settle in Palestine

provided they do not displace the Arabs who have came to Palestine in their absence, of course, it's ethnic cleansing

[abstract cypress]

since history was first recorded

[serene birch]

Zionists must be erased from the world immediately. The most dangerous cult in the world. I don't think they are Jew, they're using as a shield.

[abstract cypress]

the Greeks are already settled in their homeland. If they want to take western Turkey then fine, if they can defeat the Turks, they tried that in the 1920s

the jews in comparison, have not returned to their homeland until recently

(I am not supporting zionism since it means driving arabs out of palestine, the jews and palestinian arabs both have the right to live in palestine)

[gentle helm]

You must be erased cause you rely on violence rather than negotiations

[fluid bronze]

it's absolutly false

[abstract cypress]

source: made it up

[fluid bronze]

source : history ^^

[serene birch]

Have you ever seen Zionists get along? They do not even comply with the rules of the United Nations. I do not advocate violence, but there is no solution.

[abstract cypress]

read @fluid bronze

[gentle helm]

Post sauce rather than silly responses

[fluid bronze]

ok and where is your source ?

[abstract cypress]

you can't read?

[fluid bronze]

actually i have read some of studies about this question

[serene birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBiT6eJaQQ&ab_channel=JEM-TheLubavitcherRebbe

[fluid bronze]

just seek on the net

[serene birch]

They are forcing God to send the messiah.

[abstract cypress]

I did. It's up there. Read.

[serene birch]

lol, totaly maniacs

[abstract cypress]

if you can't say anything constructive, kindly stfu

[gentle helm]

In this conflict I hate both sides but the mentality of Palestinians here in the UK are in the wrong cause they want an intervention that will raise tentions against Israel and still be with Hamas rather than advocate for a future with no conflict

[serene birch]

Because no one could stop Israel, what should they do?

[gentle helm]

Well, try to sort their shitty leadership and show that they are not willing to fight

Cause in the end is all government problems really

And common people pays the price

[serene birch]

Hamas is now a terrorist organization, but the Israeli government is a more vicious terrorist.

[abstract cypress]

3,200 yrs old ancient Egyptian rock mentioning "Israel"

[gentle helm]

Yes sadly they are oppressors, but because of Hamas they are now oppressors with a reason

[abstract cypress]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merneptah_Stele

jews are from palestine and will forever belong to palestine

[serene birch]

The Palestinian people have been trying to make their voices heard for years, but they cannot make as much propaganda as the Israeli government. They have been oppressing the people there for years.

The real problem here is not Israel, the problem here is Zionism.

[abstract cypress]

if zionism doesn't exist, will you support the jews settling in palestine?

[serene birch]

It is necessary to do research on Zionism to see the facts.

[serene birch]

I'm anarchist man I dont like any state tbh.

For me All states are terorists 🙂

[abstract cypress]

alr

#📚｜english-questions

[gentle helm]

Nah just the small ones with no connection with others one

[civic reef]

it sounds very radical but i must admit i see a part of my own view in this sentence

[civic reef]

ah fine

[gentle helm]

Market is the bond that makes everyone thinks twice before screwing things up

[serene birch]

Remove all boundaries. And let's have a single flag all together. Eternal peace.🏴

[abstract cypress]

not a fun fact: even the Nazis knew that Jews as an ethnic group are indigenous to Palestine:

"juden raus, auf nach Palästina"

[gentle helm]

We have to solve Brexit and make everything come to Europe, I realised that basically everyone is blocked for doing messes because EU is watching them

[serene birch]

But first, intense education and personal development is needed. This would be complete chaos with this humanity right now.

[gentle helm]

The education has to come from a country that has sorted out a standard in education and improved by everyone little by little.

[serene birch]

If pens and notebooks were distributed instead of weapons, there would be no problems in the world right now.

[gentle helm]

You have to tackle the weapon market coming from the country that gives no shit about human rights

[serene birch]

He was supposed to have a pen instead.

So sad picture

[gentle helm]

Majority of people don't choose peace cause violence is simpler

And that's how we end up in extremism and silly conflicts that escalate towards wars because substantially the culture provokes violence

[serene birch]

The reason for all wars is resources and control of power. Not cultures. No child is born a murderer, they are brainwashed and given a gun.

I don't see any murderer face in the child in the photo, he has an innocent soul inside him.

[gentle helm]

That's true only in poor countries

[serene birch]

Isn't the problem caused by the provaction of powerful countriest? xD

[gentle helm]

Children are horrible and bastards inside cause their immaturity but they would not ask to be soldiers at least not twice

[serene birch]

I've never seen such a child, generally they are all like angels, just naughty.

Anyway, the conversation was nice. The best political view is "Anarchy". I need to get back to work on my plans to save the world. Stick to peace and neutrality.

[thorny steeple]

1. perhaps I used an inaccurate term, Canaanites are indeed not Arabs, but some Arabs are descendants of Canaanites, that's why I inaccurately called them ancient Arabs. (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/dna-from-biblical-canaanites-lives-modern-arabs-jews#:~:text=They are best known as,modern-day Jews and Arabs.).
2. the Hebrew language is indeed one of the Semitic languages that descended from Canaanites, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Jews being indigenous to the land, Aramaic was also a language spoken by Canaanites, and it is still spoken up until now in some Arab countries.
3. that "documented Arab polity" is irrelevant.
4. "there is no differing ancient Israelites from Canaanites because they are the same", according to the Wikipedia article you linked, they were "a group of Semitic-speaking tribes in the ancient Near East who, during the Iron Age, inhabited a part of Canaan.", they are both distinct, even though their culture was largely influenced by the Canaanites' culture.

to sum it up, the language is irrelevant, even if it dates back to the original Canaanites, also the current Arabs are descendants of Canaanites.

[gentle helm]

Well, be afraid of getting bombed sorts your priorities and probably get traumatized for life

And that's just wrong

[thorny steeple]

"The researchers also studied the relationship of the Canaanites to modern-day populations. While the direct contribution of the Canaanites to modern populations cannot be accurately quantified, the data suggest that a broader Near Eastern component, including populations from the Caucasus and the Zagros Mountains, likely account for more than 50 percent of the ancestry of many Arabic-speaking and Jewish groups living in the region today." [source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200528115829.htm#:~:text=The data suggest that the,or the Bronze Age Caucasus.]

[abstract cypress]

1. Some Arabs are descendants of the Canaanites, yes. It's unclear who and how much. And it doesn't invalidate Jews being indigenous to Palestine, because while some Arabs are descended from Canaanites, all Jews are

“the present-day inhabitants of the region are, to a large extent, descended from its ancient residents,”
thanks for confirming Jews are descendants of the ancient Canaanites

2. Aramaic isn't a Canaanite language. It's literally a different branch. It would be like saying German is English, because while they share the same classification (Northwest Semitic), they are different languages. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic

3. You said that Canaanites are Arabs before, so I mentioned that to show you they aren't

4. Yes, they are a bunch of semitic-speaking people who inhabited a part of Canaan. That's why they're Canaanites. Israelites are Canaanites in the same way Bavarians and Saxons are all German. It's shown in the passage next to it, explaining how they got their own identity: "Modern archaeology suggests that the Israelites branched out from the Canaanites through the development of Yahwism, a distinct monolatristic—and later monotheistic—religion centred on the national god Yahweh."

This isn't exclusive to Israelites: there are other Canaanite groups, namely Edom, Moab, and Ammon. All of them disappeared, but the Israelites haven't; they are now called Jews.

Interestingly, in ancient Egyptian records, Moab (a Canaanite people) is mentioned as worshipping the Israelite god

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shasu

This even more proves that Jews are from Palestine since the dawn of history

[abstract cypress]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketef_Hinnom_scrolls

More interesting fact: the Ketef Hinnom scrolls, the oldest piece of Judaism's holy book in the world, is written using proto-Hebrew script which is identical to the script used in the Mesha Stele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele) from Moab, an ancient Canaanite state

[jolly agate]

i beleave people use it as an example that bible is real. because "Israel" word was first used in the bibal, but now we have this stone rock that has the word isreal in it. people are beleaving more and more that bible is real

[latent ledge]

Messi>> all this debate

[oak spire]

Ronaldo >> Messi >> all this debate

[small remnant]

receba

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xYld8CMtXlY?feature=share

[feral river]

well I do believe they don’t give a shit about their life something besides their own benefits on economy and political.

Israel still doing an assimilation project in west bank, but it seems a lot hard after a war commenced in gaza

[jolly agate]

We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teacher, leave them kids alone

it’s form a song

[smoky skiff]

Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.

[open plover]

Guys! Will you stop now?!?

[oak spire]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸 🤍

[feral river]

Make America Great Again🇺🇸

[tired bison]

haha bros funny

[wheat terrace]

yesterday it was 100th year of our republic

[abstract cypress]

either way it shows that israel is already there since as far as history remembers

[feral river]

what was your republic

[wheat terrace]

Turkey

[thorny steeple]

No fight it

[feral river]

ignore it

corruption helps the dictators to control the whole country against the democractism.

[serene birch]

Please no. The world is very tired of terrorism.

And especially because of the one who uses the devil democracy as a shield.

In a group of 10 people, there are 7 murderers and 3 innocents. And they approve of the legalization of killing people. The magnificent power of democracy.

[slender ocean]

Given one perspective and zero proofs

[serene birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wxWNAM8Cso&ab_channel=BBCStudios just one from thousands

[slender ocean]

So you're just sending me a video about Hiroshima?

That happened hundred years ago

[serene birch]

Isn't it terrorism?

Okay check about Iraq

[slender ocean]

Japan was nazis back then

[serene birch]

Syria

I don't see any difference between the Nazis and NATO.

[slender ocean]

U sound like typical Russian watching only tv with no constructive thinking

The only thing u remember is what us did some time ago

[serene birch]

they are also same thing

Why are you trying to manipulate my thoughts and dominate me? and you justify the atom bomb?

[slender ocean]

USA maybe unleashed some horrible wars but I can't get it what's wrong with US policy right now?

[serene birch]

According to Anarchy, all states are terrorists.

[slender ocean]

I'm not justifying an atom bomb. Im telling u that u shouldn't judge the entire country only with cases happened long ago

[slender ocean]

HEAR ME

[serene birch]

Not only USA but the biggest terrorist right now is America, that's for sure.

I don't judge people, I judge states and governments.

[slender ocean]

Are you sure? Russia invading Ukraine? Palestine soldiers invading Israel?

[summer patrol]

hey

what are u talking about?

[slender ocean]

What are they doing wrong NOW? Answer this question. Where can u see terrorism RIGHT NOW?

[serene birch]

Dude, you don't know anything, so I'll stop arguing with you. sorry

[slender ocean]

He just keeps telling me that USA is the biggest terrorism in the world

[serene birch]

Yes

[summer patrol]

oh

[slender ocean]

Yea easy. Just to say "dude u know nothing" and escape

Ok

Do as you wish haha but u just said a pointless thing about USA nato or whatever

[serene birch]

Yes, arguing with those with little knowledge and brainwashed from media is like trying to swim across the ocean.

[slender ocean]

I mean what media do you watch?

I'm just wondering

[serene birch]

😴

[lavish finch]

Following

These are just two different subgroups.

[summer patrol]

hey welcome

[lavish finch]

Two different ways of thinking about the world

[slender ocean]

I mean maybe this dude keeps tracking the past with no sight set on what now

[thorny steeple]

Sup

[serene birch]

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Afghanistan

[lavish finch]

This is what I call a role lock

[serene birch]

is it forbidden talk politics here?

If so I will remove

[lavish finch]

Slowmode 2 min

No its not forbidden to talk politics here

I want to encourage a constructive conversation

Where there is some listening to each other

not just talking

And no pushing the other

To agree

[serene birch]

Without knowledge, thoughts create chaos.

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper light

[lavish finch]

slowmode 30 sec

[craggy sphinx]

hm

[lavish finch]

When you disagree I’d like you to try to summarize the other person.

Not push them to agree

[serene birch]

Making such a judgment against an impartial person who believes in anarchy is a huge act of racism and partiality. I am neutral, in my opinion, all governments are bloody organisms.

[slender ocean]

You really keep tracking only the past. All those headlines are 1812 - 1942. But I am asking you what terroristic is USA doing NOW?

[slender ocean]

Ofc all of them but now you're talking only about usa

[craggy sphinx]

Before I enter into a dialogue with anyone, I should make sure of the following:

The interlocutor should count on communication rather than rhetoric

[serene birch]

No, I was just saying that the american goverment is the most dangerous, terorist-based, predatory goverment in the world right now. Top #1.

[lavish finch]

The role lock is continuing.

[slender ocean]

?

[craggy sphinx]

👌

[slender ocean]

And what particularly do you see that is "terorist-based"?

[lavish finch]

Two people with opposing views locked in a dead end process.

[craggy sphinx]

its sad.

[lavish finch]

There is a way out if one side listens to the other

Instead of pushing

[slender ocean]

Or if two sides just leave each other alone

[lavish finch]

or looks for people who agree

[craggy sphinx]

This will not happen, as both are active.

[slender ocean]

But I'm really just tryna somehow comprehend what he keeps saying about terrorism

[lavish finch]

negative prediction

[lavish finch]

great, let’s start there

[slender ocean]

I mean no pushing, no offense

[serene birch]

🙂 okay okay, Let me get back to work by doing something better. By making a game, let all humanity kill each other in the virtual environment, not in reality. Have a nice and peaceful day everybody. Peace and friendship are the most beautiful things in the world. If you want to belong or connect somewhere. Choose the planet Earth. Because we don't have another home.

[craggy sphinx]

The two sides will not come to a peace agreement, we need someone who stands above it
third

[slender ocean]

Well said. Good luck with work

[lavish finch]

That’s more avoidance. Which is ok too. But avoidance is not the same as understanding and integration.

Understanding requires that we walk a razors edge between dropping ourselves and pushing others

It requires some curiosity and courage to explore the unknown

Not just repeat what we already know

Slowdown 5 sec

(leaving)

[craggy sphinx]

Well, I'm glad we came to peace

[serene birch]

I want to plant this peaceful and neutral flag here before I leave. It is one of the very important issues that needs to be researched.

[slender ocean]

Idk why our discussion is being converted to something like "two sides will never understand each other. They won't ever come to peace and agreement...". The guy claimed something. I was curious about some explanation of his point of view. That's it. No pushing, no offence

I'm ready to finish it now. Ok

[serene birch]

I don't have any side 🙂

[smoky skiff]

Not necessarily. There is a lot of information to present before change of opinion can be considered.

[lavish finch]

Please tell me what you heard me say.

[smoky skiff]

I heard you say "Two people with opposing views locked in a dead end process."

I do not believe it is dead end. It is just a long discussion due to the amount of information required to change opinion on one side or the other.

[lavish finch]

You missed what I said. Would you please reread it?

[craggy sphinx]

Can we manage the processes?

[smoky skiff]

Sorry I'm not a literary critic. I only see the surface message.

[craggy sphinx]

Or are we weak?

[smoky skiff]

....Perhaps they are not in the process you feel they are in.

[craggy sphinx]

hm

[lavish finch]

Start from here

[thick sigil]

Is "times will change correct" in a sporting context where a team is repeatedly losing

[serene birch]

There are more important and impactful issues.

[lavish finch]

No

Before you share more info I’d like you to hear what I’m saying.

Would you please tell me what you heard me say?

[serene birch]

Actually, I am not a fan of talking politics, I was just quoting a someone's opinion.

Because this is an endless and inexhaustible issue. Especially when individuals take a side.

If the parties defend one side, they can never see their mistakes. And they argue they are perfect always.

It doesn't matter where they are from or where they feel they belong.

[lavish finch]

Good enough

[maiden path]

yes of course it is, or more specifically one of the biggest terrorisms in the world

[slender ocean]

It can start again. Again what given is just some sentences without any arguments

[maiden path]

https://new.thecradle.co/articles/washington-steals-over-80-percent-of-syrias-oil-output-per-day

this is just one of the smaller acts they do

[slender ocean]

But how about big ones? Why talking about small?

If they're SO TERRORISTIC (tbh I really don't wanna start this thing again)

[maiden path]

If the USA does something unacceptable like this, it means it can go further and further with its terrorist acts, and btw ya this is just so small

[slender ocean]

I'm not saying that USA are ideal or smth, but dude, ppl in Israel get captured by terrorists, many Ukrainian ppl dead of Russian rockets and after THAT USA IS THE BIGGEST TERROR IN THE WORLD?? Are you certainly sure?

[maiden path]

i am not sure you read this, how said Russia is innocent

[slender ocean]

I would really like to end this. But just I absolutely can't grasp how you get that picture that US is the biggest world terrorism. But ok, think as you want

[maiden path]

you could have said that a long time ago, and i could say the same to you, (But just I absolutely can't grasp how you DONT get that picture that US is the biggest world terrorism. But ok, think as you want) @slender ocean

[slender ocean]

You haven't even said any arguments. All u said is just "they re stealing something and this is the only smaller act🙄"

Where is terrorism? Where particularly do u see USA terrorism now?

Where particularly

[maiden path]

of course they dont wanna show it, cuz USA is just so perfect, now i know why you are called SCATTERED

[slender ocean]

We're talking about USA, wake up. Not about my user name

[slender ocean]

Whatever they wanna show, WHERE ARE PROOFS? Where are arguments?

[thorny steeple]

1. first of all, it's absolutely clear that almost all of the studies conducted on Arabic-speaking people show close relation in DNA with the early Canaanites.
2. Lebanese ancestry with early Canaanites
3. also about Lebanese but from PMC Pubmed Central
4. present-day Jewish groups and Levantine Arabic-speaking groups, are consistent with having 50% or more of their ancestry from people related to groups who lived in the Bronze Age Levant and the Chalcolithic Zagros
5. The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant

it's noteworthy that there was an actual study seems to be conducted directly on the modern day Palestinians, but I didn't cite it due to retraction issues, I'm not sure what caused it to be retracted but we certainly need the scientific community to conduct such study again to verify the ancestry of the present-day Palestinians.

2. let's see

Western Aramaic, one of the two lingua francas of Canaanite civilization
source
Aramaic was a language spoken at the Canaan eras.

3. it's historically unclear, as "Scholars doubt that the Canaanites were ever politically united into a single kingdom. In fact, archaeological excavations indicate that the "Canaanites" were actually made up of different ethnic groups."

[slender ocean]

What is USA doing RIGHT NOW that u see it as terrorism

[thorny steeple]

4. they are a bunch of Semitic-speaking people who inhabited a part of Canaan during the Iron age, they mixed with the earlier Canaanites, and regarding the archaeologists who suggest they branched out, it's also unclear as I said earlier, it's known that Canaanites were composed of different ethnic groups, it's also known in the Jewish bible that Israelites were ethnically distinct which contradicts that narrative, we can't really deduce based on inadequate data.

another Canaanite group known is: Jebusites, which are known as the Arab Canaanites. more information here

[slender ocean]

The main question I still can't get answer on

[slender ocean]

@maiden path focus on that pls

[maiden path]

the biggest proof is that USA is standing with israel

[slender ocean]

And? Seriously, what's after that?

Are we gonna switch to Israel Palestine conflict to understand who's right and who's wrong?

I wouldn't like to do that

[thorny steeple]

since you mentioned the Israeli God as a proof, it's noteworthy that all Israelites are known as the direct descendants of Jacob (who's later named Israel, which is why his descendants are called Israelis or Israelites), who is the son of Isaac, who's also the son of Abraham who was originally from "Ur, in Mesopotamia", and later moved to Canaan and settled there, where his wife Sarah gave birth to Isaac, now Abraham was born approximately at 20th century BCE according to biblical tradition, the Canaan civilization dates back to 3500 BCE, which means that the great-grandfather of all Israelites was born after the Canaan civilization started and in an entirely different area, let alone Jacob himself, this puts more evidence that they were mostly mixed with the earlier Canaanite groups and became a Canaanite group themselves, it's also known that Jacob left the land and moved to Egypt, and later he wanted to be buried in Canaan with his forefathers, which Joseph, his son, complied to.

[maiden path]

so you tell me this isnt enough? it means USA is a part of killing innocent people in palestine! We all know the problem lies with you

[slender ocean]

The fact that USA stands with Israel politically doesn't mean USA stands with killing innocent people. Palestine's terrorists killed many Israel ppl. Why don't u call THIS killing innocent people

If the most horrible USA deed is standing with Israel, then why don't u call Israel the biggest terrorist in the world? Why USA?

[jolly agate]

there is so much knowledge to gain form this argument.

[thorny steeple]

I don't know what's wrong with you, the article says "Arabic-speaking and Jewish groups living in the region today", are there any Arabic-speaking people other than the Arabs themselves??
the article states that both of these groups account for more than 50% of ancestry of the Canaanites.

[abstract cypress]

So you're confirming that the Jews are indigenous to Palestine and are Canaanites? Sure, I agree with that

[maiden path]

ya you are rigth, both USA and israel are big terrorists

[jolly agate]

ohh my day @maiden path

[slender ocean]

@maiden path !!!!!

[jolly agate]

Make your mind

who’s the biggest and who’s second biggest

[abstract cypress]

you're conflating me using elements of Judaism as a proof with me using Judaism as proof. I don't care about what passages in the Tanakh say, the only important thing is that the Tanakh contains Canaanite gods, which is proof of the continuity between Canaanite civilizations and the Jews

[maiden path]

are you serious, do you compare the number of Israeli deaths and the number of Palestinian deaths??

[jolly agate]

that’s not the topic @maiden path

get your tires back on track

[maiden path]

actually i was so confused😢 thx for telling me

[jolly agate]

All ways here for help

[jolly agate]

you can continue now

[thorny steeple]

the word "indigenous" is vague, what is the criteria that determines who is indigenous? I assume your criteria is that they lived on that land first, but that couldn't be objectively verified, and there are evidence that there were some Arab Canaanites, so it's highly debatable, although I agree that the religion of Judaism has some roots in the land.

[main bison]

Wow

[abstract cypress]

• the Tanakh is not a valid source of argument; it's written hundreds of thousands of years after Israelite kingdoms disappeared and is myth based on history

• We can deduce based on adequate data which I have posted before that the Israelites were a part of the Canaanite people

• Any mention of Jebusites does not exist except in the Tanakh, and there is no archeological evidence of them. This obviously makes Jebusites being "Arab Canaanites" false because there's no mention of Arab at all in the Tanakh, and nor does the Jebusites described there have any relation to the people of the Arabian penninsula

[slender ocean]

You don't get it. Look. You say USA is the biggest terrorism in the world. Why you think so - just because USA stands with Israel. Absolutely mindless but ok. Thus we're switching to Israel Palestine conflict (honestly I don't know why). And here you think that Palestine absolutely right and Israel - evil terroristic country eager for killing innocent people.
So 2 things I don't get:

1. USA is the biggest terrorism ONLY BECAUSE they stand with Israel?
2. So you're comparing number of deaths and thus judge who's right and who's wrong? And don't u care about REAL TERRORISTS ruling Gaza and whose main target JUST KILLING JEWISHES?

[serene birch]

Someone needs to explain how many Palestinian and Lebanese young people were killed, murdered, tortured and raped in Israeli prisons. You always look at things one-sidedly. Neither side is right here, but I strongly recommend you to read sources, news and history. America is responsible for the deaths of 1 million civilians in Iraq. By using non-existent chemical weapons as an excuse. First, in the 80's, he broke things off between Iran and Iraq, started War. Than Gulf War. Wherever there is America, there is war, you have to understand this now. Because your knowledge of history is bad, you cannot comprehend and understand the issues. Don't misunderstand this, take it as advice.

[slender ocean]

No. Either Palestine and Israel are wrong both I agree. But this dude tells me that USA is the biggest terrorism BECAUSE they stand with israel

[maiden path]

Yes I really think someone should do this

[serene birch]

If you lived in the Middle East, you would know how many militias are armed by USA.

[feral river]

well terrorism is just term for justifying someone/country’s actions.
whatever you call USA a terrorist state or russia/china idk, they are literally the most powerful country in the world.

[slender ocean]

And u look only at things happened very long time ago. Do you even track what is happening RIGHT NOW? I repeat these words for you for immense amount of time

[jolly agate]

@maiden path you just say you don’t have enough information about what your talking about. there is no shame in backing down.

and even if you have you can’t put it in words

Right now

[feral river]

survival for the fitted.

[serene birch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2HZs-v0PR44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn4i7_CFIM&ab_channel=CNN

[feral river]

you can whatever you want, terrorism/self-defense/just march

[jolly agate]

I’ll watch them.

[slender ocean]

And?

[feral river]

it won’t affect the situation

only forces will affect the situation

[jolly agate]

They all have different meanings

[slender ocean]

U just send me random things Joe Biden said about israel

[maiden path]

i find it pointless to use my brain right now to make strong arguments. and thank you for the advice i didnt know

are you happy now @jolly agate

[serene birch]

Okay, America very peaceful country that is making peace all over the world.

[jolly agate]

hun? @maiden path you for real my bud

[feral river]

only weapons, peoples, army, military and economic activities will affect the situation

[maiden path]

nah i am not yours😊

[serene birch]

This is what happens when you don't research and accept what is offered to you.

[feral river]

and the fact is, israel is a one of country which has a robust military

[serene birch]

Brainwashed

[abstract cypress]

Why the hell is my post deleted

[jolly agate]

Repost it

[feral river]

I don’t think an organization will able to against a sovereignty state

[jolly agate]

We already had the discussion

but you have to scroll way to up

[serene birch]

Picture of peace solution.

[slender ocean]

U may use your sarcasm however you want but you and rimaz still haven't clearly explained why US is THE BIGGEST terrorism RIGHT NOW

[feral river]

especially palestine

there is no palestine in the map I guess

I can’t find it

gaza strip ?

[serene birch]

No one will try to convince you, my friend. accept it

[thorny steeple]

yes they were not mentioned outside the bible, but archaeology proved that Canaan consisted of different ethnic tribes and groups, so what I'm saying is there is no valid reason to believe Israelites lived in southern Levant BEFORE Arabs or Palestinians, but we have a bunch of genetic studies that suggest both of them to some extent have Canaanites ancestry, and their genes are also kind of similar according to these studies essentially.

[maiden path]

true

[jolly agate]

He wants you guys to explain your view points why do you say what you say

[serene birch]

Everyone is already aware of the facts, the world is waking up.

[slender ocean]

Sad. Because thus what you claimed back then about usa is just a pointless thing?

[abstract cypress]

"Arab Canaanites" does not exist. There are Arabs descended from Canaanites, primarily in Lebanon, because Phoenicia itself is a Canaanite society. However Jews have a clear, unchanging, and unbroken tradition all the way from the Canaanite societies who are the first to settle there. Therefore Jews are indigenous.

Definition of indigenity here refers to the UN definition:

Indigenous Peoples are inheritors and practitioners of unique cultures and ways of relating to people and the environment. They have retained social, cultural, economic and political characteristics that are distinct from those of the dominant societies in which they live. Despite their cultural differences, Indigenous Peoples from around the world share common problems related to the protection of their rights as distinct peoples.

Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them.

https://www.un.org/development/desa/indigenouspeoples/about-us.html

[serene birch]

We presented you with a million pieces of evidence, but you have a problem understanding it and you insist on it, you don't want to accept it.

[maiden path]

Oh why put the effort on this if the media did

[feral river]

bro, the fact is that israel is backed by the United States, and European Union, even China

[serene birch]

I'm 35 years old with 8 years of military experience.

[abstract cypress]

• so you don't have a valid source for mentioning Jebusites aside from a holy book then

• Arabs and Palestinians don't exist when the Jews made a civilization in Palestine. The world "Palestine" itself is Hebrew. Which shows they have inhabited the land since time immemorial.

[jolly agate]

Learn something form @flare and @czarski.

[slender ocean]

I'm repeating you now, read carefully now. What you represented me now is some wars and cases happened 50-100 years ago OR just that fact that us stands with Israel. Where is evidence?

[jolly agate]

Look at there arguments

[feral river]

Palestine doesn’t exist since the seven days war

[slender ocean]

Where is something terroristic here?

[maiden path]

Conclusion, problems in understanding

[feral river]

israel occupied all of their territory

[abstract cypress]

פְּלִשְׁתִּים = ‎ Pəlīštīm= Palestine

[feral river]

true annexation

[abstract cypress]

Hebrew

guess who spoke hebrew? jews

[slender ocean]

Conclusion: your lack of ability to think constructively

And your great ability to switch between topics

[jolly agate]

I didn’t get much form that argument

[maiden path]

better than problems in understanding

[serene birch]

I dont wanna be rude, but i decide you block you.

[jolly agate]

But ok

[serene birch]

scattered

[jolly agate]

that’s just cowardly act

[slender ocean]

You know I understand logical things but when ppl say me some mix of facts without any coherency then yes, I can't understand

[serene birch]

Doesnt matter, I'm free man. And I can do what i want. "Democracy"

[feral river]

whatever you do will not able to change the situation

[slender ocean]

Oh no. I'm cryin

[jolly agate]

all you have to is convince him that usa is the biggest terrorist with your millions of examples

[abstract cypress]

it's mind boggling to deny Jews being indigenous to Palestine when they have demonstrated millenia old continuity between their tradition and religion, to the earliest archaeolgical records in Palestine

what religion worship YHWH in the world except Judaism?

[feral river]

I don’t give a shit about which country is terrorism state or not

survival for fitness

ISIS did terrible things, and they were wiped out

[abstract cypress]

even the word "Palestine" itself is Hebrew. A Canaanite language. Not Arabic, not Aramaic, not persian or greek or latin, Hebrew

[feral river]

but obviously USA still exists, and still a superpower

[serene birch]

I think this is just a media lie they've been doing for years.

[feral river]

same logic on Ukraine, Israel, Palestine and Russia

[slender ocean]

Seriously, how it looks:

• the USA is the biggest terrorist in the world! 😡
  -why?
  -uhm... Bro u don't understand?
  -for real why?
• well they... Uh... They... They invaded Iraq Syria and many countries!
• years ago?
• does it matter? Oh! And they stand with ISRAEL, CAN U IMAGINE THIS?!! 🤬🤬

[jolly agate]

😂😂😂

[thorny steeple]

Arab Canaanites = Canaanite ancestors of Arabs.
that's what I'm implying.

the definition varies from different sources, what if I say I don't agree with this definition? how would you react to that? there is no one definition for indigenous and we may only agree on the criteria of how we determine who's indigenous.
aside from that, this definition is flawed, as Palestinians could have inherited and practiced these unique cultures, and their culture could've been mixed with Arabic cultures since the country has been a subject for many conquests including Islamic and Arabic, which explains the current Palestnian culture.

[abstract cypress]

what culture does Arab Palestinians have that is directly tied with the ancient Canaanite civilization?

for the Jews, it's an easy answer: Judaism

the Yahu in Benjamin Netanyahu refers to Yahweh, the ancient Canaanite god

[serene birch]

Okay, the problem is that after 10 years, we will not judge the Israeli government for what it did in the past. Then everyone should start up and commit crimes, they will be forgotten after years anyway. do you look at the mentality?

Low IQ syndrome is a very bad thing.

[abstract cypress]

the "el" in Israel, an epithet of Jews to their ethnicity, refers to El Shaddai, another Canaanite god

while Palestinians itself refer to themselves using a Hebrew term: Palestine

[slender ocean]

U talking to me?

[jolly agate]

I believe so

[serene birch]

What an inhumane act it is to legalize massacres and crimes. I really feel sad when I see it.

[slender ocean]

He said he blocked me

Idk

[jolly agate]

Did he actually

[slender ocean]

No idea

[thorny steeple]

• it's mentioned in one holy books, but that doesn't mean it's inherently false, it just means it's not verifiable, the problem lies within the assertion that there wasn't any Arab Canaanites (people who came from the current Arab regions and inhabited the area).
• the name "Palestine" is Greek mate, "The term "Palestine" first appeared in the 5th century BCE when the ancient Greek historian Herodotus wrote of a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê"

[jolly agate]

I don’t think we moved an inch form when we started this questioning on why usa is the biggest terrorist

[thorny steeple]

Judaism is a religion that appeared after the Canaanites civilization, it was established approximately at 1800 BCE, and we both know when did the Canaanites civilization begin.

[serene birch]

This man is responsible for the Iraq war, and Americans always admit how wrong they made in Iraq. But this man walks around the streets freely. This is the real face of terrorism.

Everything that is done to Putin should be done to others.

Justice

[slender ocean]

YES. All we have is my infinite questions and their pseudo-evidences

[thorny steeple]

both Jews and Muslims have the same God, they worship him differently due to different revelations and distortions that are made throughout the history to the Jewish bibles, does that mean we share common ancestors or we both branched out from Canaanites?

[serene birch]

Double standards lead to endless chaos.

[abstract cypress]

• It may be not inherently false, but you cannot make a claim based on it until it's proven true. "Unicorns are real! Proof: there are horses, who look like unicorns."

• Per Martin Noth, the name likely comes from a proto-Semitic word, albeit there is a strong similarity between Palaistī́nē and palaistês, the Greek word for "wrestler/rival/adversary", which has the same etymological meaning as the Hebrew word "Israel." ... This was expanded by David Jacobson to theorize the name being a portmanteau of the word for Philistines with a direct translation of the word Israel into Greek (in concordance with the Greek penchant for punning on place names.) ... scholars generally conclude that the term is cognate with the Biblical Hebrew פְּלִשְׁתִּים‎ Pəlīštīm.

[serene birch]

I don't know if the photo is exactly real or true, but there are many things like this.

Summary of the photo. Location Iraq.
The Iraqi soldier, who loved his country, captured the American terrorist and shot him in the neck.

Oh! sorry was done years ago, it's true, it doesnt matter anymore.

[thorny steeple]

• you also cannot make an active claim that there wasn't a single Arab group among the Canaanites, as we both know Canaanites consisted of different ethnic groups, you simply don't know.

• I see, you're right.

[abstract cypress]

"Allah" is not mentioned anywhere in any Canaanite inscription. The tetragrammaton YHWH does, as is "El", as are most other Canaanite gods in existence in the Tanakh (Baal, Bethel, Bel, Dagon, Khemosh, &c.) It also has no etymological relation at all with the name of god in Judaism, being from a different language branch.

In addition, the Hebrew alphabet is a descendant of the Canaanite alphabet. The Jewish festivities (Sukkot, Shavuot, &c.) mirror ancient Canaanite practices of celebrating harvest festival, sacrificing to gods in altars in high places, &c. There is ubiquitous archeological evidence in Israel showing ancient Israelites (who are Canaanite) practicing their religion in the same ways modern Jews do. These are all exclusive to the Jews. Can Arabs demonstrate a similar link?

please stop looking at this from the lens of your religion and sentiment and start looking at historical and archaeological evidence - in this case, the Tanakh, which has been intact since ~600 BC, is a such evidence

[abstract cypress]

I absolutely can. "Jebusites" is mentioned in the Tanakh, so if you can produce evidence that they indeed exist outside the Tanakh and are related to Arabs, I will be convinced

Meanwhile "Arabs" is not mentioned in the Tanakh, doesn't exist in any Canaanite inscription, and the earliest Arab polity that's anywhere near Palestine is the Nabatean kingdom (which I've posted earlier) that came ages after the Jews

[jolly agate]

@flare and @czarski i have a question for you both. How do you know all this stuff? you don’t have answer now

[thorny steeple]

before Israel is declared as a country, there were Palestinian Jews as I mentioned, these were practicing what you mentioned because they are TRADITIONS IN THEIR RELIGION, if I ever become a Jewish I would practice these traditions with them as well, Islamic, and Christian traditions differ in many ways, so it's not a matter of culture, it's a matter of religious practices and teachings, if either the Islamic or the Christian traditions dominated, that doesn't mean these people were not Canaanites in the first place.

I believe only genetic studies can confirm or deny the possibility of them being Canaanites.

[haughty cave]

are you sure it's the same god?

[serene birch]

At least in the Quran, it is stated that before Jesus and Moses were prophets, they were the prophets of God and God (Which is Allah) commanded the Muslims to believe in those prophets as well.

[thorny steeple]

they initially believed in the same God, yes, Allah.

but their scriptures have been a subject to edits and distortions throughout the history.

[serene birch]

In other words, the Quran defends that before Islam, muslims were a Christian and a Jew.

In fact, such a thing exists because people are grouped, otherwise religions have come to humanity in general, not just to certain part of people.

[thorny steeple]

they weren't named Jews and Christians obviously, but by definition the first Jews and Christians were Muslims.

[serene birch]

Yeah this is actually what i meant. I guess Muslim means = Believer(Who is believing one god)

Right?

So just because it is Arabic, people think it is a classification and a group.

[thorny steeple]

a Muslim is the one who submits his will to Allah almighty, which was the revelation to all prophets.

[serene birch]

In short, it means believer.

[thorny steeple]

of course not, Islam was revealed to all the people ever after.

[thorny steeple]

yes, we can say that.

[serene birch]

So were the others anyway. There are not only 3 prophets, there are hundreds of prophets in the religion that believes in one God.

[haughty cave]

I want to join in the discussion about this, but unfortunately I'm not very good at English 😅

[serene birch]

In fact, all of them have the same characteristics and almost have very close cultural similarities, but for some reason they are great enemies of each other 🙂

[thorny steeple]

surely there are numerous prophets and messengers who've been sent since the beginning of humanity.

[serene birch]

Even cats and dogs have learned to live in peace and together, but humans never.

[serene birch]

Yes, I have read almost all of them, I believe in all religions. In fact, I believe in a creator who created this massive universe and I take care to respect everything he created.

[thorny steeple]

I don't think they are great enemies to each other.

[serene birch]

They are just being brainwashed. I know.

[haughty cave]

all religions?

[serene birch]

I accept Islam 6 years ago. But I do not deny that I am also a Christian, a Jew and before.

[thorny steeple]

I gotta head to college now guys, see ya. 👋

[serene birch]

I hope you focus on your studies. Good luck.

[haughty cave]

I was surprised to hear that

[serene birch]

Intellegent people do not risk anything for a short life 🙂

[haughty cave]

Yapss

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper light

[feral river]

Is islam awesome ?

[serene birch]

Frankly, I found peace. I found the answers to the questions I've been searching for years.

[haughty cave]

If you want to know about life, the Koran is the right answer. I can guarantee that

[serene birch]

To fully understand it, you need to read all 600+ pages.

[haughty cave]

I'm curious about you, brother, where do you come from?

[serene birch]

Planet Earth

[haughty cave]

Wow, we're neighbors, I'm from Mars

[serene birch]

Hello neighbour. We have good weather here. If you want, come and live here with us 🙂

Life on Earth began on this planet millions of years ago. I think we are all relatives and imprisoned here.

Maybe billions of years ago, I don't know...

[haughty cave]

more precisely, tested

[torn forge]

I agree

[serene birch]

Unfortunately, I did not set the borders, you should ask this question to those who limited them.

[torn forge]

I dont think you can say it as an argument becouse the country is a result of politicals relations

[serene birch]

Against whom?

[torn forge]

Guys what do you want to talk about

?

[serene birch]

I am sure that one day there will be only one civilization and there will be no such borders or orders.

[torn forge]

I agree , not being mad but what is the point ,

What denoucing mean

Yes i agree with you but its our relatives who define us

I Understand

Thanks

I habe a doubt im intermediate in English , I should talk to people in chat who are advanced or i should talk to ontermediates

[feral river]

I’m good I think it’s good to have a religion/reliefs to guide you to achieve success in your life.

[craggy sphinx]

[feral river]

but don’t be superstitious or something that really against the truth.

so I stay folk religion/no religion