🧠｜serious-chat

[formal scaffold]

relegion =/= death sentence

[serene birch]

Which religion?

"There are numerous religions on Earth, with estimates ranging from thousands to over 4,300."

[formal scaffold]

"There is ˹security of˺ life for you in ˹the law of˺ retaliation, O people of reason, so that you may become mindful ˹of Allah˺" how many lives have been saved by that, how may wars of revenge have been stopped bc of that

[abstract cypress]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/12/13-countries-where-atheism-punishable-death/355961/

I don't see any country in this list in which their death penalty judgements are not influenced by religion

[abstract cypress]

doesn't matter.... did you not read what I said earlier?

[serene birch]

The country we know as the father of democracy today has not abolished the death penalty in most of its states.

[maiden path]

what are you discussing

[serene birch]

I'm talking randomly tbh

[abstract cypress]

whether they keep doing it till now or abandoned it, at some point they did apply those laws

which makes them worse than the comparison which has not applied anything like that

I don't care if they abandoned death punishment for apostasy 1000 years ago or yesterday. The point is, they did applied it

[maiden path]

i know but can you be more specifik

[formal scaffold]

Only 13 out of 56 that's like 25%

[abstract cypress]

either you lack reading comprehension or you are ignorant of what I have to say

[formal scaffold]

I can say the same to you

[abstract cypress]

either way, if you continue to ignore my statements, I don't see any reason to continue

🤦‍♂️

[abstract cypress]

please read

[maiden path]

slow down you two, just tell me what are you discussing

[abstract cypress]

read

[formal scaffold]

13/56

[abstract cypress]

@maiden path

[formal scaffold]

saying middle east on behalf of iran is just not ingenuing, plus that's a 2013 article

[abstract cypress]

even if iran abandoned death penalty yesterday my point still stands

even if no middle eastern country apply the death penalty now my point still stands

[formal scaffold]

your point doesn't stand 13/56, you can't make it about relegion

[abstract cypress]

even if all of them became secular now my point still stands

[thorny steeple]

I see, you said earlier "But if people who are convinced does not believe, it means there's something wrong with their conviction", given that your view is conviction = belief, then one doesn't choose what he/she believes in, since it's a matter of what they're convinced of.

[maiden path]

it depends on wich religion you are talking about. for example in islam there is ABSOLUTLY not thing subjective

[abstract cypress]

ok you're just trolling with no intention of understanding me

[formal scaffold]

if you can justify the 75% of other countries that practiced death penalty for a solide reason, I can do the same with the 25% bc in our POV leaving relegion is a serious crime

if you don't then all the 56 are criminals

[abstract cypress]

that ties in with my statement that it does not apply to everyone, since not everyone is convinced or have belief. In relation to your previous statement.

[formal scaffold]

I can't simplify it more than that

[abstract cypress]

even if 0 of the 56 countries practice the death penalty now it is still worse and my point still stands

because they did apply it before, while the comparison have never applied such thing

[formal scaffold]

your initial point has no grounds to begin with

[abstract cypress]

do you really want to have a discussion or not?

[formal scaffold]

if the meaning of discussion is submitting to your opinion without expressing mine then no ty

[maiden path]

i know you both have different point of views so try to understand each other

[abstract cypress]

the meaning of discussion is kindly read what I wrote because I read what you wrote and responded throughly. You don't do the same. So if you don't want to kindly stop quoting me again.

[thorny steeple]

it does contradict your assertion that "Belief is inherently chosen".

[formal scaffold]

should I quote Rimaz?

[abstract cypress]

^

[abstract cypress]

^

[abstract cypress]

^

[abstract cypress]

you can choose to be convinced or not

[formal scaffold]

Making me read your writing 3 times without reading mine won't help the case, you are accusing me of not reading while I made my point about what you said and even quoted you and open the link you provided

maybe i can do the same you didn't read my writing so adieux

[maiden path]

yaaa

[abstract cypress]

And I already said even if 0 of the 56 countries, that's addressing what you wrote, practiced death penalty, my point still stands because they did it before they abandoned it.

While the comparison has never done it at all.

[serene birch]

Religious are good if people are good, religions are monsters if people are monsters.

[abstract cypress]

you should learn to respect other people, if that's not taught at your school

[formal scaffold]

if you are really saying this that really means you didn't understand me

proves my point

[abstract cypress]

ok then explain your point

[formal scaffold]

I did already

[abstract cypress]

and I've directly quoted what you say, so the problem is on you

[formal scaffold]

yeah yeah I'm the problem you are the hero, good mindset

[maiden path]

you can blame people but how can you blame the religion, if the religion has clearn and good laws, then if people are monsters and dont choos to follow the religion you cant really blame the religion

[hallow tendon]

it's just list not reality. It doesn't often happens in the USA. And bad conditions in prisons that lead to death after a while are worse.

[formal scaffold]

I can say the same in middle east

[hallow tendon]

about what?

[formal scaffold]

about the death penalty stats

[serene birch]

I'm a good person and religious, btw.

[maiden path]

which religion do you have

[abstract cypress]

simple flowchart

science and atheism - does not tell people to kill
Kill count: 0

religion - does tell people to kill - countries have laws that kill people based on the religion - countries abandoned it
Kill count: many (even though they've stopped killing)

[maiden path]

mm i hope you are so, but how can you trust people, or more specifik, how can you be sure you are a good person

[formal scaffold]

if atheists don't follow the laws of god, what kind of law do they follow? ===== their countries laws, if their countries practices death penalty for the reason it benefit them why can't relegion do the same while providing also justification (injustice) ===== does the religious justifications looks silly to you, yeah bc you are not from a relegious background

[abstract cypress]

if you can't comprehend this, i'm surprised you passed kindergarten

it's honestly idiotic to equate religion with atheism. Religions have dogma and creed, which tells people what to do and not to do. Whatever they did because of their religion, their religion directly influenced it

while atheism is literally the lack of belief. it doesn't have a god or dogma or creed how the hell it's supposed to tell you what to do?

[formal scaffold]

it's also idiotic to try to judge relegion as a whole using atheistic mentality

[maiden path]

how are you discussing about death and religion if you dont know how to be polite

[abstract cypress]

you cant even explain what's atheistic mentality

[abstract cypress]

I don't remember ignoring whatever the other person wrote

[maiden path]

btw are you an atheistic

[abstract cypress]

No. I'm agnostic

[maiden path]

ok

[formal scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/322388230857162753/1167172224877342813/image.png?ex=654d28d7&is=653ab3d7&hm=f1ab2b83693a39c47746bc01f20a9cfeac4a16ab343ce0d2a83889aa9f3c7fbd&=

[abstract cypress]

yeah... so?

[formal scaffold]

you can't see just in front of you, maybe looking around and using a mirror will help you see stuff

[abstract cypress]

I tend to ignore ad hominems. Should I change my pp to barbie if it makes you feel better?

[formal scaffold]

if you advocate for that then yeah sure

[maiden path]

skuggi which religion do you have

ya

if you dont want to answer it is ok

[formal scaffold]

I am pls either use my tag @formal scaffold or just reply so I can have the notif

[maiden path]

ok you believe in god rigth?

[formal scaffold]

good question, I believe in god yes

[maiden path]

Can you give me one piece of evidence that God exists?

[formal scaffold]

exist where?

[maiden path]

that there IS a god

[formal scaffold]

you mean physcially exist?

[maiden path]

you know there are people how do not believe there is a god, but muslims believe that there is a god rigth?

[formal scaffold]

what's god for you? describe god

[maiden path]

my god is who created me, who gives me food, who allows my heart to beat, who allows me to breath, who love me more than my parents

[hallow tendon]

open fulfilled prophecies. For someone how doesn't won't to find or see evidence it is the right place to start.

[maiden path]

i am sorry i dont understand you, i am not so good in english

[hallow tendon]

))) lol. you are intermediate aren't you? OK. never mind then.

[thorny steeple]

tell me bro, do believe killing innocents is morally "objectively" evil/wrong/bad?

[formal scaffold]

seems like nobody is interested in answering

[latent ledge]

Guys just read
Reading is way to find the truth

[thorny steeple]

It's not nice to bully others by pretending to be beginner lol.

[maiden path]

you hurt me

[formal scaffold]

inter vs beginners

[formal scaffold]

bruh you lost interest in me it seems i hope i can answer yr question another time

[hallow tendon]

I'm nut bully and i'm just started pre-intimidate. But yes you are right, I was wrong.

[hallow tendon]

Excuse me. I'm wild a little today.

[maiden path]

no i know it is a sudden quiestion, and i know you know the truth but dont know how to tell it,

[latent ledge]

God story has more sense than monkeys story

[maiden path]

😍

[maiden path]

true

[latent ledge]

People have come to believe in theories as if they were a scientific basis

[formal scaffold]

it's always atheist coming to religious to look for troubles in this chat, as if they are trying to convince themselves more about what they believe in, they want the whole world with them

[maiden path]

ya

[thorny steeple]

I am surprised that religion topic is not banned here, like on most servers, as it in majority of situations leads to rude words and hatred.

[maiden path]

ya

[formal scaffold]

yes especially when people run out of arguments

[thorny steeple]

They often don't even have any to start with

how do you know it's objectively evil?

where does your "objective" morality come from?

[latent ledge]

And tbh its interesting to speak with atheists becuz idk how they see the world
Like who made manners if there is no god who stop me from being a terrorist or a killer in the name of"life is one time lemme enjoy"

[thorny steeple]

they mostly see the word as: "I don't know"

[maiden path]

yaaa

[thorny steeple]

I was once an atheist.

[maiden path]

and what now

[thorny steeple]

reverted to Islam alhamdulillah.

[latent ledge]

I was goin to
But i started reading about religions

[maiden path]

The greatest proof of God's existence is your existence

[formal scaffold]

if they are reasonable atheist, basic atheist convos are about one "bad" thing in relgion from their perspective, and they want to conclude with that that the whole relgion is false and we shouldn't follow it, as if **capitalism **is perfect and most people in this planet follows it including them

[maiden path]

this is not a theory it is a fact, there is a proof to it

it is called the law of gravity

[thorny steeple]

We could debate about it.

[maiden path]

ya

[formal scaffold]

According to the same estimate, between 1901 and 2000, atheists, agnostics, and freethinkers won 8.9% of the prizes in medicine, 7.1% in chemistry, 5.2% in economics, 4.7% in physics, and 3.6% in peace. Alfred Nobel himself was an atheist later in life

[maiden path]

i understand, we are not scientests

[formal scaffold]

those percentages are looking Fabulous

[latent ledge]

Am talking about u monkeys bullshit story its just a theory
Read kid

[formal scaffold]

didn't even make it to 10 % -_-

[latent ledge]

[maiden path]

what is your source

[thorny steeple]

your conscience may vary from others, and therefore it's fundamentally subjective, you cannot make an objective claim that killing innocents is bad, you can't argue with ISIS that they are evil, as they believe they are not.

[formal scaffold]

Go look yourself if it's true and if it's not, if it's untrue provided with counter evidence than I shall answer that

[hallow tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yoIyETtxZU Yeah there might be no place for mass infantry on a battlefield in the future.

[latent ledge]

U said that its theory*

[maiden path]

sorry i didnt mean to, i just wanted people to believe in what you are saying because all what you said until now is true, i believe in the datas, even though you dont have a source

[formal scaffold]

it's easy to find just use google bruv like everybody does in here

[maiden path]

i dont want to

[thorny steeple]

Just accept it, we all live in simulation.

[latent ledge]

Nah its not its theory

[maiden path]

nooo it is not

[thorny steeple]

just because some people in the scientific community believe in evolution, doesn't mean it's real.

[latent ledge]

Nah there is a rule for this

[formal scaffold]

why do atheist casually ask for solid visual proof of god when we can't ask for a half human half fish :/

[hallow tendon]

Are you Judaist now? ) Pretty modern.

[maiden path]

TRUE

[maiden path]

i also wanna understand this

[formal scaffold]

and want me to believe that people from all around the world with different races are the result of climate condition and life style :/

[maiden path]

yaa

[hallow tendon]

Because people don't believe other people's words. It's not about God, It's about someone who claim that he/she knows something.

[maiden path]

and maybe they know the truth but affraid to believe in it

[formal scaffold]

and why does the sun disappear for few hours a day which aligns with the humans need for sleep did we adapt to the universe or did the universe adapt to us?

[hallow tendon]

Or even elder books. What do you know about people who wrote them? That is a good question. It is not about God. I think.

[maiden path]

you are so interresting, is it rude to ask how old are you

[latent ledge]

This 3 religion Christianity Jewish and Islam
Have a lot of scientists fact
And its the most deepest books in this planet ofc its from a god
Even if they r fake the person who created is the most perfect and smart human in this earth there is no way the religions r fake

[formal scaffold]

and why do we have the whole environment around us to provide us with food clothing and medication?????? 🤔

[latent ledge]

But still named as theory

[formal scaffold]

29

[maiden path]

omg, i thought most people in this servere are teenagers

[hallow tendon]

evolution with someone who lived and built in Antarctica. No, That doesn't work.

[latent ledge]

Fact called "theory"
Is this an Illuminati conspiracy
Cmon

[formal scaffold]

My ancestors aren't monkeys bruv speak for yourself

[latent ledge]

I dont wanna start talking about the proof in Quran
So lets end this debate and change the topic

[smoky skiff]

only 10% are teens

[maiden path]

do british say bruv, and american bro? pls answer if you know

[smoky skiff]

nice poem

[maiden path]

yes of course

[smoky skiff]

If it tastes, smells, feels, looks, then it probably is

and sounds

[maiden path]

it is called #🧠｜serious-chat

[smoky skiff]

bruv, bro sounds like beginner chat questioning

I thought I was in english questions\

[maiden path]

ya

[latent ledge]

Btw its not
becuz they making rockets, bombs, and building from this rule
The theory in gravity law is the factors who influence on it made it called "theory"

[thorny steeple]

it's not, you clearly don't understand the difference between a theory and a fact, a theory is a well-substantiated explanation of the natural world that can incorporate facts, a fact is a statement that has been repeatedly confirmed and empirically and practically is accepted as "true", for instance, the big bang is a theory, despite all the facts that lead to it, 'cause basically one cannot go back in time and see it happening, whereas the universe expansion is a fact, and its used to substantiate the big bang theory, and with all honesty, the evolution is more of a hypothesis up untill now and I'm sure it will remain as such, as its evidence are debunked many times.

[maiden path]

it seems you want to joke instead of giving evidences

[maiden path]

thank you you speaked for me, did you read DAVE

[thorny steeple]

how is it going @smoky skiff?

[latent ledge]

U made it bro there is all what was in my mind

[smoky skiff]

I like how there is a solar eclipse every time I fall asleep for an hour or two in the middle of the day.

[smoky skiff]

well. Just reading back, to see whats up here

[formal scaffold]

Bruh

[thorny steeple]

we are discussing scientific theories, scientific facts, and hypotheses.

[maiden path]

i wanna read what @formal scaffold have to say

[formal scaffold]

I mean the earth orbiting around itself in a way where the homosapiens who lives in a certain area won't see it, and that will feel more comfortable for them to be sleeping in that dark

[formal scaffold]

Peo is correct I made the sun disapear like i'm casting some magic xD

[maiden path]

ya

[smoky skiff]

Perhaps God made the monkey story.

[formal scaffold]

it's a possibility

[smoky skiff]

I see religion is being argued as its alternative

[latent ledge]

This life is test god know what he do

[thorny steeple]

it's not, they co-exist and are co-related.

[smoky skiff]

And so endeth the discussion.

as the sun sets

is the past tense of ""As the sun sets"... "As the sun sat"?

[civic reef]

those mean two different things for me tbh...

like the idea itself is very different

[thorny steeple]

irrelevant, first of all I've never said I don't believe in theories, a theory might be 99.9% correct, second, medicine is an applied field of science, meaning that it relies on examination and observation, mistakes can happen, third, a theory's probability is measured by the amount of evidence that support it, some theories are more probable than others.

[formal scaffold]

it's "solar eclipse" for me

[thorny steeple]

no, "sat" is the past participle of "sit".

if you wanna make that phrase into the past tense, it would be "as the sun set".

[dawn karma]

Is anybody with US citizenship here?

if so

please DM me

[thorny steeple]

😢

may Allah destroy this terrorist, inhuman, barbaric state of Israel and avenge for those innocents who've lost their lives.

[sharp blaze]

ameen

[thorny steeple]

Free palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[vocal rapids]

آمين

[latent ledge]

We need more than "free Pelestine"

[thorny steeple]

Inshallah we will win

[fiery solstice]

Israel needs to chill the actually f out

[latent ledge]

Today is hell in Gaza

Leterlly

There is no internet to capture what happening
I think no one will know

😢

[fiery solstice]

yeah for sure

I've been seeing so much misinformation about the whole situation too

[latent ledge]

Its simple to them hamas is pelestinian resistance
So to avoid these kinda attack they gonna remove pelestine leterlly

Ppl dont joke there

[fiery solstice]

yeah

and also Palestine used to own all of Jerusalem

and to think it's about to swap

[tired bison]

palestina moma de rubo hot chicka wala pasta roma ena sauce

[sour girder]

hamas attacked israel, israel is just defending itself

it also wants to free hostages that hamas took

there is action and reaction, think about it

[latent ledge]

U really saying this

[sour girder]

hamas started all this

without their attack it wouldn't have happened

[latent ledge]

All those kids those women
And u still saying self defense

[latent ledge]

They were doing this since 1968

But this time is terrorism level monster

[sour girder]

well hamas was expecting to launch as many rockets as they have on israel and they will just back off and israel won't do anything? are you really that naive?

[latent ledge]

Self defense without killing any hamas member

Exept children and women

[sour girder]

how can you be so sure they didn't kill any of them?

[fiery solstice]

how do you know there is

this is just a bunch of scepticism

believe it or not watching CNN isn't going to give you the most acurate data

[sour girder]

so when you say israel just kills civilians it's okay? and for us that israel is tryna eliminate hamas is scepticism

[fiery solstice]

what are you talking about

I'm saying that nobody knows the actual ammount of casualties

if people are going to make up a baby's head being chopped off, what else will they make up

[sour girder]

what are you talking about?

make up as a story?

[fiery solstice]

there was this whole thing about a baby's head being chopped off

[sour girder]

by who

[fiery solstice]

some dude on the internet

I saw a bunch of stuff about it

[sour girder]

how is it related to current discussion?

[fiery solstice]

it has to do with Israel and how the whole conflict started

[sour girder]

well if cnn is a bad news source then what is good?

[sour girder]

can you explain yourself finally

[fiery solstice]

honestly bruv I don't know what you're talking about anymore

[sour girder]

because I can't see how some dude is related to all of this

ehm you think some images from unknown source is a good thing to post?

how is it going to convince me of anything

[fiery solstice]

omg

no more talking Nekoro

[latent ledge]

The bro is supporting terrorism i think we need to stop debating

[sour girder]

you are not the one to tell me

[fiery solstice]

agreed

[sour girder]

when to talk or not

hamas attacked isreal, isreal responses

they are just cherrypicking some images to make it seem that israel attacks civilians

I'm curious who vanya supports on russian ukrainian war

their target is hamas

[latent ledge]

I had to know

[sour girder]

and what do you know from this?

[latent ledge]

U r just an account made yesterday to support Israel blindly
Like russians account when Ukraine got atack

No more talk

[sour girder]

how did you come to that conclusion?

you also was created someday, the fact that this account was made yesterday doesn't make other your statements true

[exotic scarab]

isn't it obvious? the date the tags and all the things you're sayinh

[sour girder]

it's not my fault that the first thing I see here is you telling that isreal is terrorist

I didn't start this topic

[sour girder]

it only prooves that my account was made yesterday?

so don't start spreading lies about me

[latent ledge]

Just ignore him
The bro is supporting terrorism blindly

[exotic scarab]

yes, by the way no beginner comes straight to the serious chat, they only come here and probably say hi and get out

[sour girder]

how should I know that?

if I got the role beginner doesn't mean I'm a beginner

if I created this account doesn't mean I didn't have one before

stop making assumptions about me, because you're always shitting your pants

[exotic scarab]

if you're so aware of what are you doing, why not pick other role, yes it quite does if you think seriously, also its not assumptions its facts

[latent ledge]

I was debating with an Israeli person in the VC he was so respectful
And he told me that evryone know what Israel is doin exept in social media

[sour girder]

your statements based simply on the date I created this account and on a role simply are your assumptions

[latent ledge]

ignore the kids killer supporter

[sour girder]

I like the color

[exotic scarab]

thats your argument?

[sour girder]

it doesn't deny the fact that I didn't start this topic, it was here when I joined

[sour girder]

for the role, yes that's my argument

is something wrong with it?

[latent ledge]

It didn't change the fact that u r a terrorism supporter

[sour girder]

I repeat myself, hamas attacked israel and killed civilians, and captured hostages and ran away. israel goes there to resolve this hamas terrorist organization

[worldly kettle]

@latent ledge i'm tired of warning you

[latent ledge]

No praying
No talking about the war and the massacres at all 🙏
Is that a good deal to us?

[worldly kettle]

1. You can pray between you and god, at home, at mosque not on discord.
   2)Don't spread any sensitive gore pics related to the war yes.
2. Stop argue alot and call people names like kids killer.. etc, war is war if you can't handle politics and always act emotionally immature so don't get yourself involved.

[latent ledge]

Am not acting emotionally i find out that ppl ignoring what i said
Btw am done this topic is always here and its just a headache i dont think am not gonna arguing again with discord accounts

[worldly kettle]

I hope so, because i'm still try to believe in your self discipline, have a good day

[latent ledge]

U know am trying but everybody have emotions in the end of the day
Trying to keep it inside myself
And i geuss this the last time

[worldly kettle]

I feel you no worries

[serene moss]

Hi there! I'm looking for someone who can teach me prosody

[lavish finch]

?poll create Should James have Director of Education role? “Yes” “No”

[worldly kettle]

@lavish finch

[abstract cypress]

https://youtu.be/WpQQOQ__1ok?feature=shared

[orchid totem]

What does this video say

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper light

[fading compass]

🧐

Just a map

[thorny steeple]

Dead

Chat

[rare harness]

Let’s make it alive

[fading compass]

🥺

[thorny steeple]

How so @rare harness

@fading compass what's with u?

[rare harness]

I’ll send something!!! I wanna show off

[thorny steeple]

Go ahead

[fading compass]

Nothing, a bit boring🫤

[rare harness]

Ig it’s still sending

[fading compass]

[thorny steeple]

That's awesome...
Reading books ,i rather read self help books!

[rare harness]

The way to freedom and the wings of fire is pretty good!!!!

I had so much more… but my friends and cousins stole it.
They borrow it but never return

[thorny steeple]

Ya.also Colleen hover books are good too!

[thorny steeple]

Haha, I envy u . I am also adding books to my reading list !

[rare harness]

I cried sooo much while reading ^KITE RUNNER^ khaled hosseini

[thorny steeple]

I read 48 law's of power. Human nature. Art of seduction

[thorny steeple]

Is it that deep!

[rare harness]

Oooooooooooooo we got a lil different taste here but that’s nice

[fading compass]

Agatha Christie's suspense novel 'Witness for the Prosecution' is also very enjoyable to read

[rare harness]

Uh huh… it’s about the master and his slave. Not really a slave but let’s say servant

[thorny steeple]

Ya kinda , I never read story books or novels .
Rather I read self help books .
But hard to grasp in the first insight!

[thorny steeple]

that's the case . !

[rare harness]

Right now I’m reading TWISTED LOVE. A book that has unrealistic men.

My standards tooo high

[thorny steeple]

Duh good for u!

@rare harness where u live! Just wondering!

[rare harness]

Ahh Australia

[thorny steeple]

Oh thats good

[frigid epoch]

hello guys

[thorny steeple]

How to know what my favourite types of books?

[faint crow]

Hii

Anyone there?

[lavish finch]

Yes

Listening

[thorny steeple]

Hello guys, please does anyone know the name of the bird that flies around sunrise and sunset ?

[humble lion]

Dragon

[thorny steeple]

google is showing me unrealistic birds...
FYI, not a seagull, not a heron bird.
this one is black with long wings & medium beak

[maiden path]

there are different types of birds, but mostly pigeons

[humble lion]

Duck

[thorny steeple]

i know pigeons, they are not it

[thorny steeple]

nooo

[maiden path]

try to search about crepuscular birds

[maiden path]

do you ask cuz u r curious?

[thorny steeple]

nope, not them

[thorny steeple]

i see them everyday through my window around sunrise or sunset, i like them, so i want the exact name

[maiden path]

ya i see crows during sunset everyday (in Denmark), but i dont know about sunrise

they fly in big groups every single day

[final dust]

I'm sorry, but I don't think that we have here other than pigeons

[thorny steeple]

hmm crows's shape confused me but they have feathery ends on their winds and they seem shorter 😭
and if they fly in larger groups, then the answer is no

[maiden path]

i think it depends on which country u r talking about

[thorny steeple]

hh i see pigeons all day too at my window

[final dust]

Exactly 💯
Same here 😂😂😂

[thorny steeple]

Morocco

[maiden path]

ya

[thorny steeple]

this is a personal pic i took but not sure it would be of help

[humble lion]

Goose

https://tenor.com/view/mr-ping-kung-fu-panda-blink-nod-yes-gif-16024908

[thorny steeple]

NO, Not in a million yes!

[molten osprey]

[maiden path]

the view is so btf

[formal scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/322388230857162753/1167771352581820446/IMG_20231028_112601.jpg?ex=654f56d2&is=653ce1d2&hm=f77b1b23c7df9fd69f61c337df39c58dc1dd11ebe67368e2d223f7a2db5854c8&=

[formal scaffold]

Another blessed day with you around and still didn't delete discord

[exotic scarab]

for now...

[humble lion]

Amature?

[formal scaffold]

yee

[humble lion]

Should've declared ur new name

[formal scaffold]

time waster?

[humble lion]

Indeed this app is

[hot galleon]

Hello

[lavish finch]

Hello

You’re from France? Where in France?

I love France.

I studied French in school.

[hot galleon]

I from Amiens

[hot galleon]

Oh, Where did you study ?

[lavish finch]

Growing up when I was young. Starting from 10 years old.

In New York City you needed to choose between French or Spanish.

[hot galleon]

In France, English is obligatory

[lavish finch]

I bet

[abstract cypress]

you're from nyc?

[hot galleon]

What's your level in French

[abstract cypress]

I have never heard people speaking french... ever

The bronx though is a latin american country

[hot galleon]

Really ?

[abstract cypress]

In New York

I took french in high school

Pretty useless, should've picked spanish

[hot galleon]

It's necessary to take a language for what you like

[abstract cypress]

Spanish is the 2nd language of the US

[hot galleon]

And china ?

[abstract cypress]

Idk... I'm not chinese

[lavish finch]

Yes

[abstract cypress]

what borough

[lavish finch]

Still beginner

Brooklyn

[abstract cypress]

I go to college in brooklyn

[lavish finch]

Great

Brooklyn college?

[abstract cypress]

No. Tandon

[lavish finch]

I went to New York university and Brooklyn college.

How do you like it?

[abstract cypress]

It's crazy fucking expensive and not worth it

Although we've been getting stellar faculty recently

I'm from New Jersey. I got to Rutgers but didn't take it

[hot galleon]

I have the impression that living in the United States is expensive

[lavish finch]

that’s the engineering college in Brooklyn for New York University. I went to high school down the street. At Brooklyn tech

[abstract cypress]

new york city of all places

[hot galleon]

In France we have a lot of welfare

[abstract cypress]

You go to NYU as well?

[lavish finch]

I did. 25 years ago.

[abstract cypress]

Is that when new york was still in shambles

what school?

[lavish finch]

Tisch

[abstract cypress]

Sweet. Drama kids go to tisch

[lavish finch]

indeed

With Woody Allen and Martin Scorsese

[abstract cypress]

Although if you're a teacher I would've thought steinhardt

[lavish finch]

I made a career change

But I still use drama in my English classes we do a lot of role-playing

New York University was a few lifetimes ago.

[abstract cypress]

It has really changed. My school was bought like less than ten years ago

[lavish finch]

I’m confident it will continue to change. Probably won’t be the way it is now in 25 years.

[abstract cypress]

Though I have plans to transfer somewhere else, maybe umich or ucsd

[abstract cypress]

with the amount of tuition im paying them they better do lmao

[lavish finch]

You’re an engineer?

Good for you

[abstract cypress]

I plan to go to a life sciences company

[lavish finch]

great

[hot galleon]

I study to be an engineer too

[abstract cypress]

My (planned) major is chem and biomolecular engineering

[lavish finch]

I had a friend who did that in school. He grew human skin for hospitals.

[abstract cypress]

I hope to land to a big pharma company

[abstract cypress]

I don't think that's engineering, but yeah that's related

[lavish finch]

It’s a very unfamiliar field to me.

[abstract cypress]

You're in humanities. It's like night and day lol

[lavish finch]

Night and day yes

But I have taught English in an engineering school in Japan

[abstract cypress]

Never been to japan... heard they don't like foreigners

they're like really racist to non japanese

[lavish finch]

Who does like foreigners? I’d love to know.

[abstract cypress]

yeah half of nyc is born somewhere else

[lavish finch]

My whole job is working with so-called foreigners.

[abstract cypress]

so i guess people here

[lavish finch]

There are plenty of people in New York City who don’t like foreigners. Especially where I’m from in Brooklyn.

It’s embarrassing

They were much more welcoming to me in Japan than the people in my neighborhood are welcoming to foreigners.

But you’re not wrong. Japanese society is different.

Insular, very racial.

People everywhere struggle with differences.

That’s why I like groups like this.

Different people coming together.

We hosted international students in our office yesterday.

[abstract cypress]

lemme guess... borough park? Williamsburg?

[abstract cypress]

that's because your white try being black in japan

[lavish finch]

Oh no. I’m from the other side. coney island. brighton beach jews.

Here’s a picture of my neighborhood from 100 years ago when they still had trolleys

Sheepshead bay Brooklyn

[abstract cypress]

Is that the russian neighborhood

[lavish finch]

yes

Russian and Ukrainian

[abstract cypress]

I'm not surprised tbh. Everytime I walk in borough park they side eyed me like they don't like asian people

hard core jews

and I don't mean like the upper east side people these guys have beards and keep their foot long sidebums and wear those hats everywhere

[lavish finch]

Those are the sephardic jews.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardic_Jews

[abstract cypress]

I see. No problem but how they dress is funny though

[hot galleon]

It isn't legal to write that...

[craggy sphinx]

hello
What is going on?

[final dust]

[craggy sphinx]

konitu

[thorny steeple]

Hello everybody

[molten sable]

hello

[fossil mason]

@stiff sequoia

[stiff sequoia]

im kinda hesitant bro 😩

[fossil mason]

a true writer could imagine an entire story when staring at this bruv

🤣

[thorny steeple]

I'm a true writer then 😎
I wanted to see what image you were referencing and now I have a novelette idea 💀

[fossil mason]

maybe a love story?

[thorny steeple]

It sort of gave me two ideas. One detective story and one romance

[fossil mason]

romance, as my preferences would

[fossil mason]

maybe enemies who fell in love, but then betrayed by the end?

or something more insane, a crazy man living outside the street, but having another wonderful world in his mind?

[thorny steeple]

For me, I imagined a character in a car driving into some sort of rural tropical country (Japan most likely), and looking up at the sky and the utility poles and thinking to himself about starting a new life or the start of a job

[fossil mason]

A new chapter, leaving his old horrifying past behind. How exciting?

[thorny steeple]

It reminds me of a story I had planned to write but never got to. Its about a girl starting a new life in a rural town as her father's company sent him to a rural hospital to work on patients. Slowly the girl would learn about the town's past and "curse" it holds. Due to this the demon who placed the curse on the town would begin to haunt her the further she looked into the mess until it drove her to suicide

The story needs to be fleshed out but that's what I had locked away in a mental bookshelf

[fossil mason]

can we make this sounds peaceful rather than terrifying and painful?

like a contrast between what she had experienced and death

[thorny steeple]

Sorry, my style of writing is extremely dark and I believe in having no good endings. I hate seeing characters being able to triumph against their challenges. This world is hallow, gloomy and unforgiving and I love expressing it

[fossil mason]

My style is making death sounds less painful than it would, or something betrayal soooo

[ornate siren]

My style almost always involves retribution.

[stiff sequoia]

sometimes death is the key to freedom :))

[thorny steeple]

I sort of write like this in one of my stories. Personally, I believe death is a peaceful endeavor that people will be forced to experience. Its not a judging force like god or the devil but an accepting one. It will embrace you with open arms and let you lie in the grave with peace

Expressing how it is less painful than it seems like to the living

[fossil mason]

Very much of a palate.

[thorny steeple]

It depends on where you are coming from. If you believe in an afterlife then it could be. Escaping the reality you are currently set in to a new world. Realising the struggles from earth

[fossil mason]

I remember a novelist saying "A comma for a person, to continue their story".

Spent a whole night thinking about it.

Was it really true?

[thorny steeple]

an atheist's holy book (napoleon). xD

[thorny steeple]

of course, Israel is so aghast, that's why they had no choice but to blitz unarmed innocent civilians which include children playing football in the street, 'cause these cowards have no chance against an army.

if it is to you, man, no wonder you're an atheist.

[lime rose]

how many religious book you read?

how many books was in original language?

do you really understand context every religious book?)

[thorny steeple]

how many rakats in suhoor?

without googling it my friend.

[lime rose]

If you really read ever religious book, you should to noticed similarity between them > and if you learn "logic" like science you has concluded > thats really was

[maiden path]

this isn`t a question

[thorny steeple]

it is, please allow him to answer.

[maiden path]

NO suhoor is not like fajr or duha!!

[thorny steeple]

of course it isn't, now allow Dave to answer, I'm asking him.

[maiden path]

ok

[thorny steeple]

come on Dave, it doesn't take an expert, what takes you so long?

[lime rose]

"bloody book"? what that means?

[thorny steeple]

Lol, you don't know the basics of Islam to claim you know about any Abrahamic religion. xD

that's how you basically debunk a fraud.

suhoor is not a prayer bro.

it doesn't have rakat. xD

when you lie again, just make sure to be consistent.

I have never claimed that I read all "Abrahamic" holy books, you did, Lol.

irrelevant.

[maiden path]

i do

[exotic scarab]

but the islam isn't was made easy so even the kids know every sutra from head?

[thorny steeple]

i can relate ^^

[exotic scarab]

do you think there's a lot of missunderstanding for someone who uses the quran in another language besides arabic?

[thorny steeple]

romance please

[thorny steeple]

haha this one is a tragedy

[maiden path]

that is a very good quistion, it is praise from Allah for himself

[thorny steeple]

bruh! it doesn't even read as "Kahia's", it's "KAF HAIA AYEN SAD", stop embarrassing yourself. xD

[maiden path]

yes it is but why do you keep bulying others, this isnt islam

[thorny steeple]

huh?

[maiden path]

i also dont understand this

[thorny steeple]

I imagined a story of two thieves falling in love with each other, and a scene popped into my mind where they are on top of a mountain and they watched the sunset. Talking about what led them to become thieves and bring their newfound relationship closer

[exotic scarab]

nevermind i don't know how to ask correctly this

[thorny steeple]

yes you're right, I'll stop now, he was just being hilarious. 😂

[maiden path]

thx 👌

so u r not muslim??

[thorny steeple]

of course bro, nice excuse. 👍

[thorny steeple]

the only problem is, no one understands true Arabic and knows Islam would write it in English "kahia's".

[maiden path]

it dosnt mean anything i was just curious, just say if you dont wanna answer

[thorny steeple]

are you implying that there is 'no happy ending'?

[maiden path]

you asked what does it mean i didnt mean anything i just asked if you are muslim or not

[thorny steeple]

There are happy endings but I guess for my life, there isn't any. I haven't had a happy ending to any drama or any day for a long time so I guess I emulate to my writing

[thorny steeple]

bonnie and clyde vibes, i like it!

[thorny steeple]

the happy ending to me is not and end, it's a continuation of that state that could potentially change but will always re-route back to the state of 'Happy/satisfied'.
Maybe your life now, is in that weird state where things don't add up much

[maiden path]

every alphabet has its meaning

[thorny steeple]

no my life is just shit lmao. In my life, I don't think it will re-route, it'll stay bad no matter what I do

This is probably just pessimism though so 🤷‍♂️
They are influences on my dark writing I believe

[thorny steeple]

just when u think it won't get better, it does. wait& repeat that moment time and time again!
all the best for u

[thorny steeple]

fair enough, as long as there is a bit of light there...

[thorny steeple]

We'll wait for that day to come 👍

[thorny steeple]

Only in cliche romance ideas I have. In other stories, if I have romance I will usually have characters build something good and then have it be ripped away

[thorny steeple]

if u don't mind, u can send me some of ur stories to read, i'll give u my review

@thorny steeple well, i always say, what i hold is not mine. temporary. some things come around again, and some don't.
happiness is on the set as well, whatever the shape or the form

[civic reef]

very negative energy - i feel

see your good sides, you must

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-8ball-gif-23103663

there are advantages you are not even aware you have, maybe sounds silly but when some company prepares for a marketing campaign, they analyse every advantage they can possibly have, even if tiny or silly, because some traits, skills, things you have, can be valuable

in your case, even your native language can be a huge advantage since it is english, you can do more with this language than you'd think, if you, for example, decide to teach and know where and who and how, you can do more than you would think

[thorny steeple]

I'll try to find them since I took basically a 3 year hiatus and would need to find them all again.

[thorny steeple]

I will have this in the back of my mind

[thorny steeple]

What if you don't have any?

[civic reef]

everyone has some, even if tiny

[thorny steeple]

That's the problem in my case, I really have no advantages that I can act upon

[civic reef]

maybe a random idea, why dont you teach your native language somewhere?

[thorny steeple]

I'm not intelligent enough to be able to teach languages nor I have a passion. Its a big dilemma I have where I don't have a passion for much and I believe just chasing something I don't like will just bring me back to my position of pessimism

[civic reef]

ah

[civic reef]

well i see, i mean i would disagree and since a pretty unintelligent, not even native, person, like me, would like to maybe teach english in future, then an average native speaker would be even better for that, even if you are, as you say so, not exceptionally smart

not here, irl, you could always migrate to other country or anything, some regions need teachers a lot

[thorny steeple]

Although I am a native, my english skill isn't that good and I don't really like teaching people English. Whenever people ask, I will help but I'm not really wanting to. It goes back to where I don't wanna be a teacher of anything as well. No passion or want to do such a job

[civic reef]

ah i see

[thorny steeple]

I wouldn't be a good teacher if I hated my job and ruined the education of children lol

[civic reef]

okay makes sense, this seems so dark and sad

[lavish finch]

not every native speaker is a language teacher

[civic reef]

yes, of course, i just wanted to kind of, drop an idea

[civic reef]

okay so this is not for you, but, you have not tried every field yet, there must be a thing you like to do but maybe you havent discovered it yet

[lavish finch]

I am in another server which is much more lax in moderation policies.

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch
could a non-native speaker be better at English than a native speaker?

[lavish finch]

People are allowed to curse, scream, insult and attack each other while they talk.

I'm sure you'r familiar with such spaces.

[civic reef]

Seems like a... pretty wild west

[lavish finch]

yes, that's a good analogy

[lavish finch]

depends how you define good.

[exotic scarab]

Maybe because its a smaller server? Small servers can be very relaxed in moderation

[lavish finch]

ha. no. it's the same size

[thorny steeple]

That's true. I haven't done all fields, I haven't studied all material, I haven't done a lot but I don't like a lot of them. I have tried out stuff and found out I really don't like a lot things or activities. Now looking at things I haven't tried just seems boring, I have no motivation or the discipline to try it out

[sour girder]

as if after hamas's attack didn't die any children in israel or they didn't get kids as hostages

[exotic scarab]

So they allow chaos on a server for pure fun? Or because of incapability of moderating correctly?

[civic reef]

i think i know which one

one that has, out of many, two channels, one named hangout and the second named hangout-2

[thorny steeple]

in the traditional sense, like having a wider range of vocabulary, and being overall more proficient?

[lavish finch]

I don't know what the goal is.

If it's intentional or not.

I assume it is intentional.

In the spirit of allowing "dialogue"

It's rare for me to be the one in a room that leans towards tightening moderation rather than loosening it.

I'm there to grow my personal capacity to witness aggressive arguments and not react or lose sight of my goals.

[exotic scarab]

Well some peoples "argument" is cursing, physical agression, i wonder how someone can get lost in rage because of a well writed argument. I saw pleny of this in podcasts with trans,gay,lesbian people when the lose in argument they start cursing calling someone "thinfobic" "nazi" its hard to have a decent a decent debate without someone curse or start calling you names.

[lavish finch]

I see value in remaining centered whether or not decent debate is possible.

[exotic scarab]

But some times isn't it hard to keep a decent conversation after the person just keep calling you names and cursing making it difficult to convince that person to listen and pay atention?

[lavish finch]

1. I don't ever want to convince anyone to listen and pay attention.

(I want to know if they want to listen.)

(If they don't want to listen, I want to check if I want to listen.)

I consider that in itself a successful conversation.

the root of the word conversation, converse, means to keep company with, to live with.

I can live with people without forcing them to do things they don't want to do.

[exotic scarab]

Its fair enough from your point of vision, but what if someone don't want to share her point of vision so she can build a argument good enough?

[lavish finch]

What if someone doesn't want to share their view? They don't have to.

[exotic scarab]

Yeah that blew my mind hahah

[lavish finch]

Allowing people to just be who they are is a completely transformative approach.

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch Hey, may i know how precise is test from efset.org which you posted somewhere here (i forget when and where already)?

[lavish finch]

What would you like to know?

[thorny steeple]

Well i just did it (50 question version) and it tells that i have C2

[lavish finch]

How accurate it is?

Ok

[thorny steeple]

i don't have C2 skill of english

[lavish finch]

I'd say it's 1/3rd as accurate as the 3 hour exams.

You sound very confident that you don't have C2 skills. What are you basing that self assessment?

It sounds like an intuitive, and therefore less accurate assessment than the 1 hour exam.

[thorny steeple]

Well if there was speaking part of it, i wouldn't ever get even C1, but i still think C2 it too much. Also they didn't show me what i did wrong which made me mad little.

[lavish finch]

Possible

Take the IELTS and find out

[thorny steeple]

Don't take me wrong, i am glad for it but i feel like it's a trap

[lavish finch]

What's a trap?

Taking a comprehensive assessment?

[exotic scarab]

they just show the porcentage, how accurate you are, and give what you can understand, i even doubt myself when i did the 1 hour test too

[lavish finch]

Most people I talk to doubt the exam, and tell me they never took any assessment exam.

Which is a clue

I find the exam highly accurate

[abstract cypress]

Pro tip: vc as much as possible

Pro tip #2: whatever rank you receive in that test doesn't matter (if you plan to go to the US) because most people can't even spell correctly

[maiden path]

@lavish finch may i ask if you know where i can train to convert from tense to another tense, i have this for my exam, an easy example for this, convert from present to past : eat -> ate.

[thorny steeple]

Hell no, nothing against people living in US, but i won't go there even in casket.

[abstract cypress]

good, thanks for making us less crowded

[thorny steeple]

I guess it's a consequence of lack of confidence of my English skills, but i feel like if i would take some paid certification test like Cambridge one, i would fail miserably and this would make it even worse as it put illusion of me being good in English to my head.

[exotic scarab]

i also did a exam to know what my level was when i was on 3rd grade of high school (last year) it was a test given because it was obligated to do the test because it was worth 2,5 points. i did the test and i got intermediare but on this test it said i was advanced C1, maybe the test i did on high school it wasn't that accurate because we only had like 30 minutes to end the exam

[exotic scarab]

i have the same problem but with the speaking part

[abstract cypress]

most international students that I know here do not take any tests except toefl and toefl preps because it's the only thing that matters when applying to college here

[exotic scarab]

how it works the TOEFLs?

[abstract cypress]

just the same as all others: reading, writing, speaking, listening

[exotic scarab]

mine only had reading and listening

[abstract cypress]

Then it's not toefl

[exotic scarab]

it was efl i guess

[thorny steeple]

to be honest, Hamas provides a better protection for these hostages than Israel ever did, and for the children part, we already have documented evidence that Hamas doesn't hurt innocent civilians intentionally, they are mostly casualties of war, and we don't know whether Hamas is the one that caused their deaths, or that blind military of Israel that carpet bombs Gaza and kills its own hostages.

[abstract cypress]

efl is a category, there's tons of efl tests

[thorny steeple]

@sour girder that's how they treat these children, this is called a treatment with dignity.

[abstract cypress]

I'd advise to avoid sending propaganda videos, especially from a group that has been labelled as terrorist across many countries and for obvious reasons

[thorny steeple]

@sour girder
here is an Israeli woman testifying that Hamas didn't hurt her and reassured her by saying "don't worry, we're Muslims" as an indication that they won't hurt her.

[thorny steeple]

where can i find that please?

[lavish finch]

efset.org

[exotic scarab]

hamas is already considered a terrorist group here in Brazil, because they killed a woman from here

[abstract cypress]

which is why you should take everything with a grain of salt. no side is a saint, and no side is better than the other in such a violent, historical, and complicated conflict

[thorny steeple]

@sour girder
and of course, the big hit for Israel, the woman who had the chance to say all the horrible things about Hamas as she was in Israel after she has been released, but she chose to say the truth.

[smoky skiff]

Where is this parallel universe server 🙅‍♀️

Rhetorical

[thorny steeple]

@sour girder
that's her, handshaking that Hamas soldier on her own free will.

[exotic scarab]

i understand that, i barely watch the news because of that, the media constantly choose sides. they choose the side who is killing more because its money for them, the don't even care about that, all they see is the money the content a war can gives

[lavish finch]

I've been listening to people scream at each for the past 2 hours, for practice.

As people with strong feelings attack each other endlessly I explore my own desire to step in and oppose what's happening.

See-sawing between feeling tired and laughing.

[smoky skiff]

I draw parallels with the League of Nations and British administration; and JG and what is about to happen.

[thorny steeple]

sure, it's obvious, and it's also obvious why many liberal countries didn't intervene and stop Israel from killing thousands of innocents including children, after giving us headaches of human rights and how they care about them, their double standards have now been revealed to the world, they'll label anyone who defend these people as a terrorist.

[lavish finch]

that's a negative prediction, Peo

[exotic scarab]

but still a good way to practice a neutral opinion to try to understand each side more accurate possible

[smoky skiff]

UN... L of N...

Try and change the world, then back out later when it's a hopeless assignment.

[noble holly]

Political chat

[abstract cypress]

you can both point out western hypocrisy and condemn hamas. Murdering 1400+ people in cold blood is a terroristic act, just like bombing an entire city creating 4000+ civillian casualties in process

[abstract cypress]

what I was referring is people should use critical thinking and call out bad things as bad, not excuse them because they root for one side

[floral nebula]

@thorny steeple it's not the eyes that are blind but the hearts. They won't understand no matter what proof you lay before them. 💔

[exotic scarab]

yes its completely understandable, but some people don't have the political thinking side developed (hard word as hell to remember how write correctly)

[abstract cypress]

Most people are stupid. Jewish kids in my university had to hide because protestors condemning israel brought up antisemitic signs saying "let's keep the world clean (a star of david in the trash)". Which is evil and does not help their cause at all - it makes them look like idiots which they are

heck they even sieged jewish students in a library (not in my college though), this happens when people don't use their brains and become full blown racists

[thorny steeple]

@abstract cypress
here is a list of countries that abstained and voted against a ceasefire on Gaza, you can find the US against the protection of civilians! and Canada, one of the most so called "defensores de los derechos humanos" (human rights defender), abstaining! why would they refuse to vote in favor of HUMAN RIGHTS??

[abstract cypress]

yeah? This is bad and does not reflect the opinion of all Americans. It certainly doesn't reflect mine, as I support Palestinians having their own country without being besieged.

However, this does not condone what hamas did and is doing and there is no excusing their actions

[thorny steeple]

and yet you still consider their "opinion" credible.

[abstract cypress]

I don't consider anything the US government said as objective

[abstract cypress]

so?? does this excuse antisemitism?

[thorny steeple]

Who the hell makes those titles.

[abstract cypress]

the stabber isn't even jewish, he's polish

[exotic scarab]

we can't do nothing about, look at our world, people are stupid now days with more psycotic persons considered "normal" people are just stupid, for some people everything is either racist or sexist, we see alot of these things every day the word "racism" lost its meaning in some parts of the world, always will have someone like you said trashy people who don't know who to follow but follow massas.

[abstract cypress]

people should use their brain fr fr

[floral nebula]

Did I say he was Jewish? Just giving you a glimpse about how much of we have failed as human beings.

[abstract cypress]

that's as clear as day. That does not excuse antisemitism however.

[floral nebula]

And who's excusing antisemitism?

[civic reef]

am also polish, what a coincidence lol

[thorny steeple]

What a day to be misanthrope

[abstract cypress]

your image in reply to my post implies this is a race to see who can do worse, unless you clarify otherwise - which it is not and just shows how messed up people are today

[bronze timber]

hi, does anyone know what kind of spider this is?

[lavish finch]

No jokes

This is serious chat

[sour girder]

enough spreading videos from unknown sources, prolly just some kind of propaganda. I'm not interested in watching those.

[bronze timber]

how to upload a photo?

[lavish finch]

I said no jokes.

[craggy sphinx]

hello Mr James Green

[lavish finch]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

for the sake of the argument, what is the solution you propose so that Palestinians can live peacefully and happily and have their own country? they have been a subject of many mass atrocities Israel have been committing throughout the years! while the global community just ignores anything happening on their side, Palestine has been taken by force, it has been stolen, and violence is repelled by violence, I'm not saying you go on a killing rampage against Israelis, even though these so innocent Israelis went on a violence rampage against Palestinians on the west bank, the land of Palestine must return to the Palestinians, there is no negotiation that can work at this point.

[craggy sphinx]

how are you ?

[lavish finch]

Great

[exotic scarab]

we can use a very good example here lets use USA, change a words meaning every time when you ask for the original meaning of this word they start calling you names. @lavish finch can be a better person who have more experience with this kind of people, and the USA are in 30 position of the highest iq in the world with a dumb and delusional population most of the times. no offense Mr. Green

[lavish finch]

I don't quite understand, froppy

[abstract cypress]

the solution is for my government to stop bankrolling israel, and for israelis and palestinians both to suck it up and accept everybody should live with each other without sending either somewhere else, withequal rights.

Israel doesn't want this, and Israel can enforce what they do and don't want because they have the backing of my government, which should be pulled off.

[thorny steeple]

what do you deem a credible source?

[bronze timber]

Бляяяяя

[lavish finch]

You'll live

[bronze timber]

[abstract cypress]

meanwhile, hamas is terrorist, and idf did war crimes. Both are true and nobody should excuse either for what they did.

[bronze timber]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

where did you get those data? I want to know how dumb internet thinks we are here, where i live.

[exotic scarab]

we see a lot of people changing words meaning like "homophobic" or "fatphobic" which doesn't even exist

[bronze timber]

Жиды хуесосы

Раз так

[sour girder]

eh I'm not interested in discussing it with you

[bronze timber]

И хамас тоже

Слава Украине

[exotic scarab]

twitter antwoke page, and youtube

[bronze timber]

[thorny steeple]

Oh twitter. Say no more.

[floral nebula]

I have nothing against Jews sir. I'm against the occupiers, the murderers and people who are supporting this killing of innocent people that includes a vast majority of women and children.

[exotic scarab]

its ok it have a good page of antwokeness

[abstract cypress]

thank you for your clarification ig

[floral nebula]

You're welcome ig

[thorny steeple]

Jews can still live on the land of Palestine, but only according to the conditions Palestine will stipulate, that's the only right way to settle this out, I know many Jews are bearing the brunt of their parents' crimes, but it's just the harsh reality of it.

[abstract cypress]

"Palestine" meaning what? Arab Palestinians? And ignoring that Jews are indigenous to Palestine?

[thorny steeple]

it seems to me like you're just biased, I'm not interested in discussing this issue with you either, it'll be a waste of time if you only wanna listen to your own voice.

[abstract cypress]

before either "Palestine" or "Israel" was a thing, Arabs had lived in the land for centuries, and Jews for millenia - the term "Jew" means from Judea, which is what the territory is called before Romans under Titus renamed it "Syria Palaestina" in 70 AD.

So both arabs and jews should suck it up and learn to live with each other

[thorny steeple]

Jews, Christians, Muslims, and other religions and ideologies lived peacefully before the zionist movement stole their land.

I'm only oppossing zionism.

[abstract cypress]

regarding Israel yeah, but still if zionism doesn't exist, jews still has as much a right to live there as arabs and to migrate there however they wish

also, I'm talking about Jews as an ethnicity, not strictly about religion. This is an ethnic issue first above religious one, and Jews are indigenous to Palestine

[thorny steeple]

never said otherwise, all I'm saying is that once the land of Palestine returns to its owners, they have the right to stipulate certain regulations to illegalize any zionist movement that can potentially make up a threat to their liberty or any of their human rights.

[abstract cypress]

"its owners" are both israelis, jew and arab, and arab palestinians. neither side should block anyone from returning to their homeland. Both displaced arab palestinians and every jew across the world

the status quo is one of them (israel) is trying to force the other (arabs who live in Palestine) out of the country, so it's obviously wrong.

[twilit current]

am serious

[thorny steeple]

I believe it should be returned in the same state it's been taken at, the so called "israelis" didn't exist before the declaration of Israel as country by the UN, if you mean Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc... then yeah I totally agree.

[twilit current]

why is a language server full of opinions? bruh

its always like that

[lavish finch]

People have opinions

[twilit current]

for sure

[thorny steeple]

it's not, just a civil discussion, me and Czarski already found a common ground.

[exotic scarab]

and we like to share, to see other opinions

[lavish finch]

And respectfully expressed opinions are welcome in this channel.

No personal attacks

but opinions are warmly welcome

[twilit current]

cool

[twilit current]

okay

but I mean often people argue

[thorny steeple]

different opinions often leads to arguing

[abstract cypress]

By "israelis" I meant Jewish Israelis who made up most of the population. Every Jew has the right to settle in Palestine because Palestine is the Jewis homeland. To deny a Jew from migrating to Palestine is as similar to deny an arab palestinian from coming home.

What has happened is in the process of doing so jews displaced arabs and made an ethnostate of their own. Which is wrong and shouldn't happen. Jews should have the right to make aliyah, but not at the expense of arab palestinians

[twilit current]

like some kids from tok tik supporting russia etc

[sour girder]

well I expressed my opinion, and I was called supporter of terrorists and supporter of killing children

[exotic scarab]

yes thats why Mr. Green keeps an eye here

[twilit current]

cool cool

[lavish finch]

There are many other channels in the group where there isn't arguing.

[twilit current]

I hope so

[twilit current]

thats what I mean

[lavish finch]

I'd rather people did not do that. But it will happen. Don't take it just personally.

[thorny steeple]

I did that in the past, but thanks to @lavish finch I realized it's wrong, and it honstely affected my ability to articulate my thoughts.

[twilit current]

alr, in what u were wrong?

[sour girder]

I don't take it personally. I just shared my experience. the point is that your words about "respectfully expressed opinions are that welcome in here" don't work

[abstract cypress]

I honestly have a deep appreciation for the Jews as an ethnic group because no other people on earth have survived 2000+ years of being kicked out of their indigenous homeland, spread around the world, and still keeping their tradition, culture, and religion intact

[lavish finch]

Welcome to #🧠｜serious-chat , first of all.

[twilit current]

and I wonder what counrty was a homeland of jews?

[lavish finch]

I know you're new to the group.

[sour girder]

thanks

[twilit current]

am also new

[abstract cypress]

Palestine (the region) is the homeland of the Jews.

[lavish finch]

Yes, we have many new members, which is wonderful.

[thorny steeple]

being hot headed when disagreeing with someone, it's really bad for you, and it will certainly affect your ability to think.

[twilit current]

alr, but why there are some white people there???!

[abstract cypress]

white people what?

[twilit current]

some jews are white

[abstract cypress]

and some arabs too, so?

[thorny steeple]

@twilit current
I meant for anyone, not for you specifically of course. 😅

[sour girder]

well I'm kinda not that new, I was here when it was smaller. vivek invited me once 🥱

[twilit current]

yeah but why people in this are are white?

[twilit current]

I thought ur about to bully me

no worries

[abstract cypress]

"white" is subjective and it's not something bad

[lavish finch]

?

[twilit current]

yeah but for me its weird that some jews might be white its uncomfortable

[sour girder]

what should I explain?

[abstract cypress]

you're uncomfortable with the color of someone's skin???

[lavish finch]

The yawn

[sour girder]

oh, I'm just sleepy

[twilit current]

I mean thats weird for me

[lavish finch]

Oh

[abstract cypress]

ok I will not respond further to this before it gets racist (it already is probably)

[twilit current]

that someone from asia or other place may be white and he is white

[twilit current]

yeah I guess so

[lavish finch]

Seemed more like you were expressing boredom. No?

[sour girder]

and it's pretty often just my usual ending of the sentence

[thorny steeple]

nobody should be displaced, as I told you before, Jews lived peacefully alongside other religions on that land, it's the greediness of the zionist movement that urged them to steal the land, even many Jews opposed that, and up untill now there still many of them.

[sour girder]

hmm, I'm not sure about that. I pretty often use some kind of emoji in the end

[lavish finch]

ok

[twilit current]

am not racist but theres something about jews that is weird for me

[abstract cypress]

then I guess there's nothing to debate about. Jews should have the right to settle in Palestine, provided that they did not displace anyone in doing so

[twilit current]

I hope I dont have jew roots but that may be possible

[sour girder]

so you're kind of moderator in here

[thorny steeple]

not all Jews, but in their religion there are many things that are unacceptable, or rather excessively violent, but I think many Jews don't abide by these teachings... I think.

[twilit current]

I hope so

[abstract cypress]

@lavish finch I think it's time to enforce the rules against racism stronger

[sour girder]

ah you're prolly just teacher without other permissions

[twilit current]

bruh

[twilit current]

snitch

thats all about you guys

or some of you

[sour girder]

I have no idea what you're talking about

anyway I'm out of this chat

[twilit current]

okay

[lavish finch]

Again, welcome to the group.

[twilit current]

sup

[thorny steeple]

(after the land returns to the Palestinians)
and I also believe they have the right to take their homes back, it's up for the Jews who lived in the Palestinians' homes to purchase or to build their own homes elsewhere.

[abstract cypress]

Jews are also Palestinians

[lavish finch]

Yes, I'm a moderator and teacher in the group.

[thorny steeple]

I mean the current, zionist Jews, not all Jews of course.

[lavish finch]

And in particular, this channel.

[sour girder]

ah prolly it's boring to be discord mod, isn't it?

[lavish finch]

Which tends to be a place where we can explore many interesting topics more deeply.

[abstract cypress]

If they live in the site where an arab village once stood, yes they should compensate.

If they lived in the site where nothing was there before, it's fair for them to stay there peacefully

[lavish finch]

No, not boring at all.

Quite a pleasure

[twilit current]

so where do jews come from?

[thorny steeple]

I completely agree.

[lavish finch]

I found this chapter insightful about the history of the jewish people and religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfRmVoyvL8s&t=6s

[twilit current]

am scared to click that

[sour girder]

well discussing politics and wars in here isn't enjoyable

[lavish finch]

Negative prediction

[abstract cypress]

this shows even more that jews are indigenous to and belongs in palestine

[twilit current]

alr

am gonna watch this full thing later

oh

[twilit current]

we got a spectator here...

[lavish finch]

What would you like to do instead?

[sour girder]

you mean in general or in this channel?

[lavish finch]

Here

[twilit current]

kinda

[sour girder]

hmm well that's difficult to answer 🤔 if it's serious chat maybe discussing some scientific topics or some curious gadgets or I don't know

[thorny steeple]

War seems not serious enough for you?

[sour girder]

@thorny steeple no I mean this

[lavish finch]

I'd rather not, no.

[thorny steeple]

Well we can talk about origin of word "orange", i already felt for it and did my research, your turn.

[twilit current]

for many people it is not

[thorny steeple]

Same, but saying it while ago it would start even bigger war here.

[twilit current]

probably

[lavish finch]

You can search for other servers in the Discovery function of Discord.

The compass

[twilit current]

theres too much democrat agenda servers there

[lavish finch]

Oh?

[twilit current]

well

okay I said too much for me

I dont want more bans

okay

2 spectators

[exotic scarab]

you mean the lgbtq+ agenda on USA?

[twilit current]

yeah

[lavish finch]

It can be tough for a native speaker to find their niche here.

[twilit current]

I dont say more bc I will be banned for racism or something

[exotic scarab]

i know that but we gonna take a fat ban if we talk about that here🤣

[twilit current]

yeah

[lavish finch]

It's good to be cautious.

[twilit current]

well I agree I get too much bans

[lavish finch]

I know what that's like.

[floral nebula]

This topic would definitely get me banned.

[twilit current]

once I send a kkk video on lgbtq server

but this one was on purpose

[exotic scarab]

i understand its because can be either too sensitive or something like a protest

[twilit current]

heres the spectator

[floral nebula]

ikr 👀

[summer cave]

what is kkk?

[twilit current]

well am not gonna say it dont push it

am not that dumb

[floral nebula]

Lol you're a funny guy 😂👌

[exotic scarab]

we can't say but its really racist against black persons

[twilit current]

lmao

[twilit current]

yeah my grandpa was about to join them

[summer cave]

Got it, thx

[exotic scarab]

what if we try but very cautious using mostly code words

[twilit current]

thats gonna be better

[floral nebula]

Wow, ok let's do that!!

[exotic scarab]

now how do we start? hahaha

[floral nebula]

😂 no idea?

I don't even know whether we share the same opinion or not
0-0

[exotic scarab]

wait a second i may have a starter

[floral nebula]

Go on 0-0

[exotic scarab]

.

i hope that can gives a start

[floral nebula]

Ah u mean associating another word for controversial words?

[twilit current]

am not that dumb

[exotic scarab]

yes

[floral nebula]

Okay so are you in favor of a rainbow or against it?

[exotic scarab]

yes like people use certain words like "homophobic" for expressing a reasonable opnion

[floral nebula]

Ah oki

[lavish finch]

(leaving for now. bye!)

[thorny steeple]

Well that depends, some rainbows are friendly on other dances annoying leprechaun which is reason why others might don't like all rainbows on sky.

[exotic scarab]

WAIT it depends a lot i'm against like kids getting mutilated

[floral nebula]

Bye byee

[twilit current]

by what

[floral nebula]

Salute 🫡

[exotic scarab]

but some spread sprinkles in some schools if you know what i mean

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch 😕

[floral nebula]

👍

[exotic scarab]

you know what

[twilit current]

bye big bro, I hope u will not be a spectator

[twilit current]

what demon, wdym?

u mean some agenda or something?

[exotic scarab]

YES

[twilit current]

ALR, BET YA

[twilit current]

I mean I understand that

especialy in my school 💀

[floral nebula]

Say no to colourful sprinkles being spread in schools

[exotic scarab]

and you know what agenda i'm talking about, it appears a lot on antwoke pages

[twilit current]

xDD

[twilit current]

yeah yeah

Bro come to deep south and u will see people who gonna hate this stuff

[thorny steeple]

there is certainly an agenda regarding that LGBTQABCDEFGHIJ+.

[exotic scarab]

and say no to psycotic parents who put sprinkles in his kids even though they can't decide anything

[thorny steeple]

(in my opinion)

[twilit current]

so ur againt this stuff guys? I can feel safe?

[exotic scarab]

yes but we can't say loud

[twilit current]

why

[thorny steeple]

Is debating about genders also taboo or we can talk about it freely?

[floral nebula]

Thank you, thank you

[twilit current]

u welcome

[thorny steeple]

you can feel safe of course, you're entitled to share your opinion.

[floral nebula]

✨🤌🏻

[exotic scarab]

to be honest i don't know we still exploring and talking in codes

[twilit current]

yeah we live in free county but this agenda damn

[twilit current]

no we dont

[thorny steeple]

it's a taboo for some, you might even get arrested in certain countries if you oppose the LGBTQABCDEFGHIJ+ ideology.

[thorny steeple]

to be fair, nowadays genders sounds more like codes than real things

[exotic scarab]

i mean i'm not risking at all

[floral nebula]

|| There are only two genders||
Omg i said it ! 😶

[twilit current]

I mean they often count this as a some hate stuff

[exotic scarab]

we see alot in cringe tiktoks

[twilit current]

congrats

[floral nebula]

Yeah I'm still alive and breathing
😭🎉

[twilit current]

super reaction

[twilit current]

Yeah queen

xD

[floral nebula]

Okay this wasn't something big, but now I'm feeling proud of myself 😂

[twilit current]

yeah yeah, its okay

[twilit current]

u take the stage

[thorny steeple]

double standards, they don't ban other hateful stuff about other things.

[twilit current]

what other things?

oh ik

[exotic scarab]

how not, now days almost everything you do is considered "racist" or "homophobic"

[twilit current]

😂

[floral nebula]

ikr!!!

[twilit current]

I keep up good with black guys for example, I got one friend who know what am talking about and he dont call me racist or something and he say a lot of weird stuff to me too and we are ok

[thorny steeple]

that's so true.

Did you get n-pass?

[twilit current]

Hah I asked for that but they made fun of me and we laugh

[thorny steeple]

[twilit current]

people can live like normal ppl

but u have to be good with them, nice and even make friends if they are okay u can make friends

OH

[thorny steeple]

what is n-pass?

[twilit current]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-introuble-ohno-shocked-whoops-gif-3170004311394715892

bruh

[thorny steeple]

do you mean the n word?