🧠｜serious-chat

[ebon scarab]

hi

nice to meet you

[thorny steeple]

This video went viral! an Israeli hostage old women telling the truth about Hamas after she was released, she also testified that they treated them with dignity and care, are there still some scams trying to depict Hamas as a terrorist group!?

in contrast, this is the lowest violence the Israeli armed forces and government deal with Palestinians, they arrested a three year old Palestinian child!!

it's not even half of the violence and blood shedding you'll find in the videos recording the massacres they committed against the Palestinians, unfortunately I can't post these kinds of videos here as they will violate Discord SFW content.

it's funny how Israel is trying so desperately to look innocent and make the Palestinians and Hamas look terrorists.

[dusty garden]

Could you explain how the voice channel works ? for example, I'm seeing that some channels are english level labeled, and what about the other channels for example, Super Shy VC, or The Lounge

[static pivot]

just different names

Same purpose

If you're shy. Join shy vc lol

[thorny steeple]

How they actually treated the old lady:

[static pivot]

Lounge is like a general vc

[thorny steeple]

VS how the western media is claiming she was treated.

[static pivot]

Others are labelled as Beginnner, intermediate etc

You can join any

[dusty garden]

I'm kinda shy, guess I'll try it first kkkkkk, I'm also not used to use discord

[static pivot]

Sure. Give it a whirl

[thorny steeple]

what she actually said was "When we arrived in Gaza, they first told us they believed in the Quran & would NOT harm us, they fed us well, were kind, a doctor visited us regularly, everything was provided for us".

[dusty garden]

thank you so much vivek!

[thorny steeple]

that's the difference between how Israel is treating its hostages and how Hamas is treating them.
(on the left is Hamas treating its hostages with dignity and care, and on the right is Israel treating its hostages as.... well it's obvious)

[static pivot]

Let me simply tell you this tho. Voice channels are better than texts

[thorny steeple]

to make sure what I posted above will not be lost and everybody will be able to see them, I'll re-post them again.

This video went viral! an Israeli hostage old women telling the truth about Hamas after she was released, she also testified that they treated them with dignity and care, are there still some scams trying to depict Hamas as a terrorist group!?

in contrast, this is the lowest violence the Israeli armed forces and government deal with Palestinians, they arrested a three year old Palestinian child!!

it's not even half of the violence and blood shedding you'll find in the videos recording the massacres they committed against the Palestinians, unfortunately I can't post these kinds of videos here as they will violate Discord SFW content.

it's funny how Israel is trying so desperately to look innocent and make the Palestinians and Hamas look terrorists.

How they actually treated the old lady:

VS how the western media is claiming she was treated.

what she actually said was "When we arrived in Gaza, they first told us they believed in the Quran & would NOT harm us, they fed us well, were kind, a doctor visited us regularly, everything was provided for us".

that's the difference between how Israel is treating its hostages and how Hamas is treating them.
(on the left is Hamas treating its hostages with dignity and care, and on the right is Israel treating its hostages as.... well it's obvious)

the western media is lying, they don't have a single evidence for what they're saying, on the other hand however, Hamas and Palestinians have tones of evidence destroying Israel and showing how much of a terrorist state it is!

I honestly can't even believe how is there still some people who have the audacity to be pro-Israel!

[formal scaffold]

I'm convinced CNN is from an alternate universe

[lusty kelp]

so uhm can anyone here do me a favour? i have a speaking assessment tomorrow and need a 1 minute speech on the topic "fear" it would be greatly appreciated if anyone fluent in english wrote me like a 130 word passage

[formal scaffold]

Fear, the ancient sentinel of human existence, weaves its intricate web within the depths of the human psyche. It is a primal force, both a warning and a captor, guiding our steps through the labyrinth of uncertainty. In the face of fear, hearts race, and minds tremble, revealing our vulnerability as sentient beings. Fear manifests in myriad forms – the fear of the unknown, of failure, of loss, or of rejection. It shackles our ambitions, obscures our dreams, and paralyzes our actions. Yet, in the shadows of fear lies an opportunity for resilience and growth. Confronting fear grants us the chance to unearth courage, to challenge our limits, and to emerge stronger. It is a transformative force, compelling us to face the darkest corners of our souls, teaching us that within the grip of fear, there resides an unyielding strength, waiting to be discovered by those brave enough to venture into its depths.

https://tenor.com/view/chat-gpt-gif-14690479017210555424

[gleaming light]

[dusty garden]

Gpt for the win xD

[latent ledge]

@thorny steeple bro the ppl here r brain washed
I gave them all the evidence but they keep being silent and claiming hamas for couples ppl died by self defense
And they focused in personal issues like the way i was talking and that shii
I think anyone keep silent in this thing mean he accept it
No one can name himself a human

Look at this fool btw he thinks Muslims kill anyone dont have their opinion

[thorny steeple]

FREE PALASTINE❤️🇵🇸❤️

[latent ledge]

We need more than this word

[thorny steeple]

I agree, that's why I assert there is no neutral side, if you don't talk about the issue at all, then you're inherently pro-Israel, 'cause you're not even offended as a human being by the massacres and mass atrocities they are committing.

[thorny steeple]

What can I do?😔

ladies and gentlemen, this is officially called good-evil conflict, neither Palestine-Israel conflict nor Hamas-Israel conflict, it is 100% good-evil conflict, or good vs pure evil.

it's clear to the blind.

[latent ledge]

Its time to protest against government first
Then against the Zionism
Some Times we need war to make peace 💀

[thorny steeple]

crystal clear.

[thorny steeple]

that's actually pretty true, in order to preserve peace, you need to fight and declare war against those who intend to violate it.

[latent ledge]

But our governments r scared of a country dont have any relation of it

The next protest we need to call for war

[thorny steeple]

Well I agree with u
But with my young age I can just pray for them✨️

[latent ledge]

At least u doin something

[thorny steeple]

Yep

https://youtube.com/shorts/bYHgO9daBbg?si=Dli3gu0YhvLy2BJK

it's clear that countries leaders in the west don't represent the people there whatsoever, it has been made clear what side is the good, and therefore people can't be fooled by the frauds and the corrupt media there, they are finally aware of what's happening.

[vocal rapids]

since this channel is for the serious talk then let's talk serious and truly

[latent ledge]

We talked and now its dead chat

[brazen mirage]

the chat might be dead but you have to remember people like me who are always keeping an eye out here

[tame walrus]

Should genetically modified organisms (GMOs) be widely adopted in agriculture?" What are your thoughts on this issue?

[vocal rapids]

all the photos you see in the is not from Israel its from GAZA the last part of philistine ( the country that Israel occupy )

and its not a war the war must be between tow powers
but the people in GAZA doesn't even have an army or a weapon to defend their self

the photos and videos above is a small preview of the massacre that Israel did and still doing it to the innocent people on GAZA

spread and share this footage
and don't listen to the media

[dusty garden]

You're saying modified organisms like for example, modify a plant to become resistent to a plague or deasese?

[brazen mirage]

It basically depends on the demand. If there's a high demand of something in the market, then using it would be a good option, just to make sure some sort of shortages don't happen, but it wouldn't be wise to use them on a large scale, because it could cause a price rise

[tame walrus]

The question of whether genetically modified organisms (GMOs) should be widely adopted in agriculture is a complex and debated topic. Many experts argue that GMOs can help address issues such as food security, crop yield improvement, and resistance to pests and diseases. My question how can they also be engineered to have enhanced nutritional value.

[dusty garden]

I think it's valid since it doesn't make us any harm. It's an interesting topic, I remender it was something that was used to be debated here in early 2000

[latent ledge]

Good job bro the world need to see the real story

[tame walrus]

Indeed, GMOs have been a topic of extensive debate for several decades, and public opinion has varied widely. Advances in technology and scientific understanding continue to shape the conversation around their safety and benefits. It's essential for society to stay informed and engaged in these discussions to make well-informed decisions about their use in agriculture and other fields.

[vocal rapids]

the media in Europe and America is highly misleading people so we have to spread the truth

[thorny steeple]

I hate the way people suddenly turns infinitely stupid when the topic is related to politics, as if they were personally involved with it

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/7b4KIWB4-7b1okeRydUx1i_EU91z62HUXbqK66WuuGDG9BXq2_cT6gpaAsmVnR5RZ_DB7CEMg1f4nQ=s800-nd-v1

[latent ledge]

He talked fact
But thats illegal becuz this is kinda hate speech

[whole beacon]

As much as i try to evade poltics , these images and video truly breaks my heart 💔 .

be damned israel be damned

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NFOYZ7j3bJE?feature=share

[thorny steeple]

Can someone give me context of the conflict?

[grave temple]

Oh boy

this conflict legit starts from the beginning of written history

too long tbh to explain

[fossil basin]

Spread love

[tough gull]

yesss

[static pivot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOfvCN_F5cg

@ornate siren

[ornate siren]

Thanks, about time I got rid of Beowulf.

[static pivot]

[thorny steeple]

gm

[thorny steeple]

I'm angryyyyy

[lavish finch]

Give us the bare facts

[ornate siren]

She wants to find Vivek

[lavish finch]

That sounds like a mind read.

[ornate siren]

It isn't #💭｜general message

[lavish finch]

I see

[static pivot]

[thorny steeple]

wow, The last time he told me "your application for mod has been accepted" but I'm still not a mod. 😁

[thorny steeple]

I'm still angry 😂

no pat pat

ow wait it's not patpat

he punched my head

[craggy sphinx]

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/zE8GCX1w3ys?si=5DnTB-1e67EqZEOV

there you go.

[strange sand]

bro what tf-

[thorny steeple]

no it's not the F, it's reality.

for what?

it's based for sure, based on lies. xD

like a thief, it stoles, like a bully it chooses the weakest, and like a cowered it hides behind stronger guys, such as the US.

like a fraud, it spreads lies, and like a terrorist (as it is), it murders and spread terror against unarmed innocent civilians including children and commit massacres and mass atrocities against a small group of innocent souls for decades, it is really based, based on evil for sure.

pure evil.

but honestly, supporting them, is a whole another level of evil.

[formal scaffold]

when muslim fight other muslim this happens

I think the native americans should recover the whole continent and kick out all the people there

that's also based

[thorny steeple]

it hasn't, their great great great great parents lived there for just sometime, it has always been a Palestinian land.

until it got stolen*

[formal scaffold]

that's what you are saying basically

i agree

[thorny steeple]

yes you're absolutely right.

it's a robbery.

[formal scaffold]

If israel want to recover its land bc it was there thousands of years ago why not native americans?

[thorny steeple]

'cause they didn't just steal it, they took it by force, this is the definition of a robbery.

[formal scaffold]

you're advocating any original people to try to recover their lands therefore you advocate for a mass war

LMAO

So you abondon your initial point, you are adressing a new one ig?

meaning that your first poin don't stand, is that correct?

are you going to kick me from this chat like you kick palestinians from their lands? Oo

[thorny steeple]

@formal scaffold @thorny steeple @latent ledge@vocal rapids
here is an example of why you can't talk sense out of these people, the only language they understand is violence, I hope now you understand why Hamas was formed 20 years after the occupation of their land, they finally realized what language they understand.

[formal scaffold]

?

[formal scaffold]

agreed

based on what it's not theirs?

[thorny steeple]

bruh, it's too late, Israel is collapsing, and soon it will cease to exist. xD

[formal scaffold]

on what grounds?

[thorny steeple]

it's hard for me to understand what you're talking about.

[formal scaffold]

Okey let's suppose you are correct, and even so where were you before all this years when israel didn't chill?

they were taking lands, where were u and the other? they only critisize the opressed with less money?

[thorny steeple]

it hasn't lost in the first place.

[formal scaffold]

Danemark

Stay in Danemark

[thorny steeple]

there is no war, the ongoing violence that is being committed against Palestinians is nothing but a crime, it's not in any way a war.

[formal scaffold]

if you support colonialiste with this kind of poor arguments i think you are better off to stay in Danermark

how is it not assault mr judge the girl was hitting back her agressor she should go to jail too

you can label it as diffrent for you, it's not diffrent for me

[thorny steeple]

it's weird how you guys interpret reality, it's probably your cognitive dissonance, Palestine is taking back its land, and Israel is trying to preserve its occupation, a war is to be declared between two armies, not between an army and unarmed civilians.

anyways, I don't have time for this nonsensical argument of yours, I better head to college now before I miss the lecture.

[formal scaffold]

and unbiased xD

[thorny steeple]

true meaning of cognitive dissonance, please seek help, you need it.

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-day-are-you-ready-for-some-football-gif-16278812894835706568

stop the CAP

even if it's not CAP saying that his bio is unbiased without trying to confirme if he's serious too puts you on the spot

[thorny steeple]

it pisses any human off, but of course you may identify as an inhuman, in that case there is no point in arguing with you, it's a waste of time and energy.

[formal scaffold]

Nah, you are funny

Weird kink you got

Just to let you know, if i was born there watching my people die for years while nobody helps us, I'd probably wreck havoc on earth, while still abiding by the rules of wars and human morals bc I'm better than my oppressors

yes you were funny to me agreed

means that pressure makes diamond

you havest what you plant, you planted violence you'll harvest violence period.

Some people just heard about palestine/israel history recently while I watched them kids die for years, funny how they come teaching u about it lol

we are typing 🙂

[thorny steeple]

@formal scaffold
bruh! are you still arguing with him? 😂

[formal scaffold]

I wouldn't love somebody who preach for colonialism xD

[formal scaffold]

it's funny xD

maybe I'll learn a thing or two

[thorny steeple]

indeed it's funny how his non-argument sounds. xD

[formal scaffold]

the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.

i got another one for you

**Ethnic cleansing: **the mass expulsion or killing of members of one ethnic or religious group in an area by those of another.

that's what you are defending btw

now you should argue it with yrself whether it's good or bad, if you are too confused check the people you follow to build your own opinion

you said they should go out of palestine, that's in the definition

your unbiased brain should comprehend this

bro you missed the definition

**expulsion or killing **

yep and everytime israel go somewhere people should leave agreed

bc why do we want to fight a strong army? there's nothing called Unisef xD

that's ethnic cleansing and i don't support it if you do, you do you bruv

what's their country? they don't have one?

let's see how unbiased you are

if you say smth biased i'll leave 🙂

Have a nice day 👋🏾

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lolTUocJec0

the content is english

[craggy sphinx]

noise, noise noise

A lot of unnecessary stuff, a lot of bio-waste

[formal scaffold]

Pleasing all people is a never ending quest, talks and topics can be either fun or boring depending on your taste, it's a chat for everyone if it doesn't align with your taste, just know that complaining it about won't change anything and will make people feel the same thing you feel when people criticize what you say here

[craggy sphinx]

Your predicate doesn't make any sense.

Without further information, you concluded . that if I said that I was referring to objects in the secondary world as noise?

I don't quite understand what "pleasing " has to do with it and why did you decide e that it a quest?

[formal scaffold]

I wasn't concluding you, saying noise, reminded me of the noise in my head so I related to that, i don't get maybe you don't like the voices in my head

[craggy sphinx]

hmm

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chess-win-gif-17584376170894933930

[craggy sphinx]

I'm really talking to my inner self.

[formal scaffold]

Idk who am I talking to at this point, at least you know who you are talking to

[craggy sphinx]

Could you share with your idea of "criticism"?

What does this mean for you?

[formal scaffold]

speak out yr mind without puting yrself in people's shoes

i guess

[craggy sphinx]

What if I said that criticism is the engine of progress?

(I'm not talking about the useless holiwar that is "covered" by criticism)

[formal scaffold]

it is a tool that can be usefull

[craggy sphinx]

The critique of ideas improves and enables the development of new and more flexible ideas.

Prerequisite: Rely on communication rather than rhetoric.

[thorny steeple]

I agree.

google exists.

[humble lion]

😂😂😂😂😂

[thorny steeple]

[humble lion]

Hi Big smile

[thorny steeple]

heheheh hii

[humble lion]

[thorny steeple]

don't let them know your next move. xD

[west gulch]

Bro can I ask you how to learn english because I tried many time but I don’t find any good result

[humble lion]

U can ask ur big bro🥳

[craggy sphinx]

hello
I'm not very good at this, but you can ask here – #📚｜english-questions

[silver gyro]

Hi

[craggy sphinx]

hello

Is there anyone in the chat who edited in the Аfter Еffect?

Heck, I don't quite understand how this works. This program is complex..

[foggy spoke]

Hello guys

i'm Brazilian, trying to improve my english pronounce, i would like to talk to anybody on voice in order to do this, i can offer some knowledge in portuguese in case someone have interest in learning

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/CONaEO8ZCe8?si=J8ym6vj_I1OCTxjo
What this guy is saying ?

[devout shale]

That's what I call a pro move

[main bison]

Hi

[main bison]

let's play chess

[west gulch]

Ok bro

[oak spire]

Is this a glitch or something or I'm on future?

Yes

[finite pecan]

D

[grave temple]

whats today's serious topic

Are we still on the Palestine/Israel Conflict

I was thinking about this the other day. Please share your thoughts. A two state solution and Jerusalem, the Holy City, managed by the UN.

As we all know, Jerusalem is a very important city for 3 major religions and holds many holy sites.

Why can't the UN send Peacekeeping troops over in order to deescalate tensions

The freedom of religion is a necessity and should be granted. I hate to see Jews spitting at Christians, Christians burning the Koran and Muslims calling a ''Jihad'' on all ''infidels''.

What are your thoughts on this matter? 🤔

[grave temple]

If it's a religious case, you don't see the Christians fighting for it even if Jesus was born and died on the Holy Land.

This is really complicated isn't it? Fighting for this plot of land for centuries.

[floral nebula]

#FreePalestine

[ornate siren]

F War.

[thorny steeple]

Is Palestine free? How and where can I get it?

[floral nebula]

Try keeping yourself updated on ongoing events, this would help you avoid asking stupid questions.

[thorny steeple]

Dude calm down why did you take this seriously? 😂

[floral nebula]

Cuz I can't take families being massacred as a joke.
Apologies from my side.

[thorny steeple]

I'm sorry dude I didn't know that I'll pray for the dead families so they can go to heaven.

[floral nebula]

Ameen 🫂💔

[thorny steeple]

paslestine citizens are not bad ppls hamas have bad intentionss

to take over the country

by brutal force

Which religion you belong to?

Then my friend respect people's religious views

But praying makes the war go well

You can't know if there is a god or not because you didn't die and resurrected my friend but we believe wholeheartedly and we have a lot of evidence that there is

Does praying make it easier to kill people my friend what did you drink today? To be in this mindset, you should suggest it to me too

I think so too let's close this issue have a nice day

Oh sorry man I thought this was a chat channel used for jokes As you know I can't read or write I have a hard time reading that's just carelessness

[ornate siren]

Hm...

[thorny steeple]

Everyone makes mistakes

[lusty zenith]

Always some argument in #🧠｜serious-chat

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0xkCUSofcVs?feature=share

[craggy sphinx]

hmm

[thorny steeple]

[craggy sphinx]

God , yes

I have discussed this topic many times.

these eternal disputes

[formal scaffold]

discussing not discussing

[craggy sphinx]

It's a never-ending cycle.

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/so-true-gif-24068595

[craggy sphinx]

I detail dismantled this thread in the chat.

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-samuel-l-jackson-jules-vengeance-strike-gif-19959188

[formal scaffold]

what does marcellus wallas looks like?

[thorny steeple]

he is black

[formal scaffold]

go on

[thorny steeple]

bald

[formal scaffold]

does he look like a ?

[thorny steeple]

no

[formal scaffold]

shot fires does he look like a ?

[thorny steeple]

I did not hump him like a dog

[formal scaffold]

xD

Tarantino is well damn good with the discussions in movies

[thorny steeple]

impeccable

The letter in the hateful eight and Hans Landa in inglorious

https://tenor.com/view/kill-bill-uma-thurman-bloody-ready-the-bride-gif-7755891

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/dags-yda-like-dags-mickey-oniel-brad-pitt-snatch-do-you-like-dogs-gif-21722450

[thorny steeple]

heloooow

[craggy sphinx]

@lavish finch hello

Are you aware of these terms: perturbation , satellite , Mauveton ?

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[thorny steeple]

hru

[smoky skiff]

seriously stirring up a debate there

[craggy sphinx]

Great! u?

[craggy sphinx]

I'm learning a program like After Effect

It's difficult for me...

[thorny steeple]

not perfect but oke

[thorny steeple]

after effect?

[craggy sphinx]

oh yes

[thorny steeple]

great

[craggy sphinx]

Do you understand it?

[thorny steeple]

yep i know that

but yeah litte bit hard thing

i mean after effects

[craggy sphinx]

steeply! How long have you been studying this?

The thing is, I like to do editing

[thorny steeple]

not for a long time

just a year

[craggy sphinx]

especially do short edits with anime characters

[thorny steeple]

meybie not

[thorny steeple]

oh It's not my field

I am a photographer

act

[craggy sphinx]

How did you learn this program? What did you do for the first time?

Can give any advice?

[thorny steeple]

i usually use it for photo editing

it was all about self-improvement for me

[craggy sphinx]

Which operating system must be to work in this program ?? Does it make sense to go with a minimum threshold?

[thorny steeple]

idk, don't be hard on yourself, you get used to it as you use it..

[thorny steeple]

like what? i mean computer things or like own ability

[craggy sphinx]

Ram

4, 6, 8 , 16 ..

or 32

[thorny steeple]

oh i think not i don't know about Rams but i just downloaded and installed

this much

[lavish finch]

I didn’t know Mauveton, a borrowed word from Russian.

[devout shale]

16+

[craggy sphinx]

oh, does it make sense with less than 16gb?

[devout shale]

16gb is minimum requirement

for After Effects

https://helpx.adobe.com/after-effects/system-requirements.html

[craggy sphinx]

thanks

[lone hollow]

hi

[devout shale]

np

[formal scaffold]

Hi

[prisma cipher]

Same

[kind granite]

[limpid tiger]

I say my brother What dog die and go to paradise I did the right thing? or say to him what animals dies and it s natural cycle And it s normal and this happens too.

[abstract cypress]

@thorny steeple yeah I found this server

[thorny steeple]

Sup yall

[twin dew]

yikes

[limpid furnace]

sure

[craggy sphinx]

Hard

[abstract cypress]

All who are dead doesn't go anywhere except 6 feet under

[craggy sphinx]

wtf where are the moderators?

there's a MESS in the general chat!

[humble lion]

😂😂😂😂

[thorny steeple]

why muslims always put their religion first?

i have a lot of questions related to this.

[devout shale]

because thats the goal of nearly every religion

[thorny steeple]

eh?

hmmm

well, as im not that religious, thts why idk much abt these stuffs, so just wanted to know.

[devout shale]

or i should say the side effect

[thorny steeple]

heh

lmao

no idea tbh.

[devout shale]

religious people always think their religion is the best one

[formal scaffold]

Not all of them most of them, bc relegion "din" means also way of life

[thorny steeple]

agreed

[thorny steeple]

tru

but as far as i have seen, the people who put their religion most of the time first , are the islamic people

[formal scaffold]

if they don't they aren't believers in the first place

[devout shale]

yes but many people dont just think that but want to impose their views on others

[formal scaffold]

Monks and priests can be like that too but in terms of like normal people Muslims tend to practice more their relegion compared to other faiths

[thorny steeple]

in my POV, every religion is perfect, so everyone is same for me.

[formal scaffold]

we all do that subconciously to some levels

[thorny steeple]

hmm... fair enough

[devout shale]

it depends at what level, and anyway this doesnt mean thats right behavior

[formal scaffold]

absolutely

I don't say what's true I say what I believe it's true

[devout shale]

we all do

[hot galleon]

hello idk if i'm beginner or advanced

[formal scaffold]

Idk what you mean by we, but there are people who think that what they say is plain truth not what's their belief of what's true, so it's like a general truth it's hard to draw the line between both, But i hope you can do that

[hot galleon]

i think i am between them

I love to talk english with people

[hot galleon]

yes i agree

there are a lot of religions in the world

[devout shale]

i meant everyone says what one believes is the truth but no one can say they have the absolute truth because that's not objective. they can just be convinced it is the truth however it may seems obvious and objective to them.

[hot galleon]

and a lot of different movement in a religion

[devout shale]

if that makes sense

[hot galleon]

personally I don't believe in god, i was Muslim and I leaved islam

i like to watch apostate prophet

[hot galleon]

religions aren't logic

religion isn't believe but is credulity

sorry belief*

[devout shale]

@hot galleonmany people dont like logic, they prefer simplistic and reassuring answers to difficult and tough questions

and pretend they are logic answers

[hot galleon]

yes, because they don't have answer of the meaning of the life, and they are terrified about the death

they feel a justice in life and they think their god is the better vigilante

[devout shale]

but there is nothing wrong in that if they keep that for themself and dont neglect others

[formal scaffold]

Religion, philosophy and science study 3 different fields yet they collide sometimes

[hot galleon]

religion use philosophy and science it's not true for the opposite

[formal scaffold]

science studies knowledge, relegion takes on dogma and philosophy searches curiosity

[hot galleon]

personally I have a problem with the reasoning of believer, because they reproach to unbeliever that the life is an chance for them.

[humble lion]

Comment vas-tu kind sir

[devout shale]

i think you inverted religion and philosophy

[formal scaffold]

as I said they collide and interact

[hot galleon]

ca va tres bien et vous

et toi* si tu me permets de te tutoyer

[formal scaffold]

yeah i did thanks

[humble lion]

Ofccccc u can speak informally good sir

[hot galleon]

oh thanks !

[devout shale]

true

at some level

[hot galleon]

because to explain a phenomenon like the complexity of the life you can't explain that by god, because, to explain the cause of the god by rationality it's probably more difficult than the complexity of life

[formal scaffold]

Human brain doesn't comprehend god in the first place

[devout shale]

im not religious but i like hindu philosophy

[hot galleon]

me too, but monotheist religions don't have philosophy lmao

[formal scaffold]

For me To not believe in god , it's just refusing the image of god you have created in yr mind, people might say when you are under the same religion you are worshiping the same god just bc he has the same name, but I believe it's different for each person

[formal scaffold]

I'm sure I heard about monotheistic philosophers

[devout shale]

philosophy is like the bridge between religion and science

[hot galleon]

god for you it's like Einstein or Spinoza, right ?

[formal scaffold]

False

Maybe that's your own Ig

[hot galleon]

no personally idk if god exist or not

[formal scaffold]

nobody has a clear proof, that's why it's called a belief

[hot galleon]

i doubt

[formal scaffold]

but there's no proof that denies his existance either

You are free to doubt or believe

[hot galleon]

yes

i defend the reasoning by science and rationality.

[formal scaffold]

science has a methodology to study things how did it apply that on god?

https://ori.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/graph-the-scientific-method.png

[hot galleon]

there are scientific investigations on god, for example a scientific investigation for the effects of prays, but I agree with you science can't prove that god exist or not

philosophy is a better methodology to know if god exist or not

[formal scaffold]

seems to me like it's anthing but relegion

as a religious person I love philosophy and science and i don't get why people will try to get rid of religion isntead of getting some wisdome of it even if u disagree with it

[hot galleon]

you can get wisdom and being a unbeliever

for example i love philosophy I want to have a job with philosophy

[formal scaffold]

you can get wisdom everywhere, ignoring such a big school of study that has been there for centuries isn't that wise, when you are seeking to understand the world itself and god himself

except if u have a good reason for that

[hot galleon]

i have a good reason for that, i prefer to know that i don't know everything than i affirm that something exist without proof, it's my philosophy

the doubt for me is important

[formal scaffold]

just to clear that out religion doesn't have proofs, they are signes as i said before that's why it's called a belief system, and I think philosophy does that in a similar way

[abstract cypress]

believing in religion means that you believe in both the wisdom in it and the violence in it

[formal scaffold]

Violence exist everywhere even in your profile picture

[abstract cypress]

some people don't want to accept the latter. Or they just realized that it's all man made.

[abstract cypress]

And? How does believing in more violence helps it?

[formal scaffold]

I don't remember mentioning take religion to heart as a whole, I said take the wisdome in it, you are free to leave what doesn't align with your interest

[hot galleon]

there is a difference between belief and credulity, credulity is the absolute trust of a thing , personality or ideology

[abstract cypress]

yeah that meant not fully believing in the religion. Fine by me

[hot galleon]

no one philosopher has credulity

but I agree, philosopher use believe

more than a fiction for example

[formal scaffold]

fiction: something that is invented or untrue.

[abstract cypress]

philosophers use logic

Which is not necessarily present in religion

in philosophy, something is justified because there is reason for it

in religion "god says so", which can or can not be logical

[hot galleon]

to watch a fiction u use your belief

when a fiction is bad that's mean you don't believe in this fiction

but you know that fiction isn't real

[formal scaffold]

it's relative to the brain we have, call me crazy but our brain is very limited compared to the whole universe

that's why I believe in relegion bc it's mostly logical and true compared to anything else

any other imbiguity I blame it on my limited brain

[hot galleon]

yes

[hot galleon]

i agree but by definiton philosophy is a belief

[abstract cypress]

so you can justify anything however illogical it is because "relative to the brain"?

[formal scaffold]

Yeah

[abstract cypress]

killing people?

[hot galleon]

philosophy is a rational belief

like physic

[formal scaffold]

thus why I don't follow any illogical stuff as I said I follow what's majoratrily aligns with my brain

[abstract cypress]

so you pick whatever suits you from your religion and abandon the rest?

[formal scaffold]

therefore you can't deny relegion with mention one or two things that we can't comprehend

you gotta study it as a whole and quantify if it's makes sense to you more than anything else

then follow it or don't

[formal scaffold]

I don't think you get me

[abstract cypress]

I really don't. Do you propose fully believing in a religion or pick whatever you want and abandon the rest?

[atomic kindle]

damn

where am i

[formal scaffold]

Killing is the worst thing ever if you are a human, while hundred animals and insects dies everyday it's all about perspective we don't accept death even if it's good for society or the whole envirement

[atomic kindle]

why you guys so serious

and look smartwhats happening

[formal scaffold]

I propose you do what you feel like doing

[atomic kindle]

are you a vegan

[abstract cypress]

so are you saying killing is sanctioned or not...? if god tells you in holy book to go stab someone is it good or not?

[formal scaffold]

it's wrong to me, but for god's wisdome it's smth else

[atomic kindle]

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[abstract cypress]

so it's good if god wills it?

[atomic kindle]

IM HERE TOOOOOOO

HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[formal scaffold]

I'm not vegan bro

[abstract cypress]

No

[atomic kindle]

thanks

[formal scaffold]

if you would kill one person to save 50 will you do it?
no i won't but I know it's smth good to do

plus the depection of killing in relegion is quiet unjust and false in the media so

[abstract cypress]

would you kill somebody if that's what god wanted you to do, even though there are no benefits of doing so except god's favor, and you do not have any grudges against them

this is hypothetical

[formal scaffold]

god's has no favor

we don't do favors to god

[atomic kindle]

well it depends on which way you look at it

[abstract cypress]

🤦‍♂️

[formal scaffold]

he order us to do what's good for us or the environment

[abstract cypress]

if god wants you to do this, would you do it?

[small pike]

i am the God any objections?

[atomic kindle]

who the fuck are you

[formal scaffold]

that's an impossible hypothetic situation

[atomic kindle]

we dont like you hiponix

[small pike]

watch ur language pls u will get banned

[atomic kindle]

stay away from us

[abstract cypress]

I'm following your logic, just yes or no

[earnest raven]

we like like

[atomic kindle]

am i talking to you

who are you little toe

[formal scaffold]

it's not that easy to make it a yes or no question I think I explained myself well

[atomic kindle]

yes

i like hitler

bye

hiponix do you like hitler

yes you doo my pumpkin

[abstract cypress]

No, it's a binary question. There's literally no answer except yes or no. Your logic goes: you can justify anything if it comes from god, so if that comes from god, it's okay

[atomic kindle]

you and other you are you a robot

skuggi

are ypu robot to

[formal scaffold]

yes, bc my god can't be unjust or does things that has no benefits

you have to reshape your question bc it won't make sense to me

[abstract cypress]

you're unfairly limiting your scope of what god can or can't do. Then they're not omnipotent. Which makes them cannot be god.

[abstract cypress]

👽

[formal scaffold]

as I said earlier each person has his own god

[formal scaffold]

if you were dead, would you go shopping or to see the football game?

[abstract cypress]

... I don't think we understand each other here

[abstract cypress]

If I'm dead I would stay dead 6ft under lol

[formal scaffold]

exactly, my god can't make mistakes

if he was i wouldn't have been following him

[earnest raven]

this chat full or robots yes you are right

[hot galleon]

I'm back

[earnest raven]

welcome back

[hot galleon]

The problem of your reasoning is the credulity, even we are limited by our brain, we can't have a answer of all questions of the world by nothing justification.

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/Y9Jw71e7KL2rmwxm_HzS3FuAX8hi1cbedMGDjkBX9t07nbYywkBhYcJSr_oT11QEXHxOpbRK2dJF=s1024-nd-v1

[formal scaffold]

I just explained that I don't accept smth until its majority is true, to say that gullible shows either ignorance or lack of understanding

Even science can be wrong and you still believe in it would you call following it credulity??

Following doctors, teachers, politicians, philosophers is credulity too then

[hot galleon]

No because scientists and philosophers accept to change their position if it proves their reasoning is false.
This is not credulity, philosophers and scientists don't absolutely trust about an ideology or a thing, in contrast to believers.

[hot galleon]

The majority can be wrong, Hitler was elected by a majority of people...

[formal scaffold]

science can accept only being disproved by science and phylosophy doesn't accept being disproved by relegion and relegion can be disproved by relegion itself or even science

﴿خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَ الْأَرْضَ بِالْحَقِّ يُكَوِّرُ اللَّيْلَ عَلَى النَّهَارِ وَ يُكَوِّرُ النَّهَارَ عَلَى اللَّيْلِ وَ سَخَّرَ الشَّمْسَ وَ الْقَمَرَ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لِأَجَلٍ مُسَمًّى أَلَا هو الْعَزِيزُ الْغَفَّارُ ﴾ which as against the flat earth belief at first so some muslims did try to interpret it as flat from other passaged where god mean by "earth" the ground used for agriculture and when earth was pronounced meteorite oval theologist used the roundness and shape of earth mentioned to not contradict science

if science did accept that many of theology description that'd have helped them get to the truth easier

[formal scaffold]

Again what I said is when a book is majoritarily true I'd follow it if there's imbiguity that science and philosophy didn't answer or the answer didn't make sense

[hot galleon]

But science doesn't affirm when there is no proof, and it's rational for science to demand proof for a new position.
Science isn't credulity...

[formal scaffold]

for your example here to be compared to mine first most people in germany shouldln't be fascist, votes shouldn't be rigged, and they are under no pressure to say their vote and there it can be close to be compared to my own thinking

[formal scaffold]

bc proof is implemented in its methodology using the 5 senses human has

science can't study what you can't see hear smell touch or taste at the same time

[formal scaffold]

relegion is actually specialised to talk about that topic

backed up by history, revelations, prophesies prooven to be right, science signes prooven to be right

[hot galleon]

What does "majoritarily true" mean ? That means the rest of this book is wrong ?

[formal scaffold]

It means according to my brain i accept the majority is true, while the other part i don't accept, or that I ignore about

that's why to accept that book you need both your rational thinking and believe bc it can bypass your brain capacity

[hot galleon]

Another example: A majority of people believe of Islam and Christianism, but Islam and Christianism are in contradiction because this is not the same God and the same order.
So if Allah exists Christianism is wrong, and if Jesus Christ is true Islam is wrong.
And if Allah and Jesus don't exists other religions or beliefs are wrong.

[formal scaffold]

Bruh what's its majority is "true"

[hot galleon]

Which religion do you believe?

[formal scaffold]

Islam

[hot galleon]

God is omnipotent and omniscient if you don't accept all of the texts, that means you consider God isn't perfectly...

[hot galleon]

Islam talks about flat earth...

[formal scaffold]

idk how you got into that conclusion

[hot galleon]

Because per definition, a perfect God is absolutely good and just.

So I have a question for you.Why you reject the rest of the texts ?

[formal scaffold]

goodness and justice that doesn't align with your own

[formal scaffold]

they were changed that's what I believe

[hot galleon]

There is a particular reason that you believe they were changed ?

[formal scaffold]

Duh

I thought you were and ex-muslim

you know why

[hot galleon]

I am an ex-muslim, but a lot of Muslim think that Coran is not falsified

[hot galleon]

What's the part of the Coran that you reject ?

[formal scaffold]

Mhm a lot of guys who follows apostle also provide weak proofs of it being changed also

[formal scaffold]

I didn't say reject, I don't accept with my mind but I believe in

[hot galleon]

Okay I see

[latent ledge]

Read you find the truth

[hallow mango]

I need to talk with CIA agents.

About cases of fascism.

[fading abyss]

dm

[hallow mango]

what is it dm?

[livid hawk]

It means: a direct message (at discord)

[hallow mango]

dm with him?

[thorny steeple]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_XHJ-CwNOB4?si=fqXd8aReqNFgxUR4

[formal scaffold]

you have to be messed up in the had to make a kid go throught this

[thorny steeple]

No, you just have to be Israel, which is worse.

[hallow tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYhx6K9BYY0

[grave temple]

Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.

Last time I checked, Gemma Louisey doesn't sound very Hebrew to me.

[thorny steeple]

how can you be sure that you do not need to know? do humans know what they do not need to know? what are the reasons you are sure you do not need to know?

[ember portal]

Hey

[feral tulip]

mashallah

[dawn ridge]

Yo can someone help me out

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper light

Why would you want to think about it?

[floral nebula]

FreePalestine

[abstract cypress]

Hamas and Israel both are horrible

[thorny steeple]

that's the difference between how Hamas treats its hostages (the left side), and how Israel treats its hostages (the right side).

here is the old israeli lady who's been released speaking out the truth about how Hamas treated them.

[abstract cypress]

I wouldn't trust a video some terror organization released as a PR stunt

just like I didn't trust Israel saying hamas bombed that hospital

hamas and IDF both has done terroristic acts. There's no higher ground for either of them

[thorny steeple]

@abstract cypress
but wouldn't you trust the woman herself after she has been released while she was having an interview INSIDE israel?

there is no coercion, no one coerced her to say anything.

[abstract cypress]

she also said that she was beaten, bruised, and tied up in a motorcycle like some sack when they kidnapped her to Gaza. Attending to her needs isn't some noble deed. That's the very basic necessity

kidnapping her in itself is a war crime

[grim dome]

VC?

[abstract cypress]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyyvEHhJL4L/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[abstract cypress]

Not now. It's 3am

[grim dome]

Are you in Cali?

[thorny steeple]

when did she say such thing?

[abstract cypress]

I'm est

[abstract cypress]

just watch the cnn video

there is no defending kidnapping people lol

[grim dome]

My battery has almost run out of juice

[abstract cypress]

charge it

[grim dome]

That's what I'm planning to do

Then I guess I just gonna hit the hay

[thorny steeple]

bro, this video is miscaptioned.

[abstract cypress]

Really? Are you Jewish?

[thorny steeple]

I don't need to.

[abstract cypress]

Because almost every news outlet captioned the same thing

[abstract cypress]

So how do you know it's miscaptioned?

Unless you can speak hebrew, because she's talking in hebrew.

[abstract cypress]

this means absolutely nothing

[thorny steeple]

do you remember that lie spreaded widly in the western media about the 40 babies who've been beheaded? it went viral even though it didn't have a single evidence, and later they had to admit it's false news, be careful of where you take your information, most of them are just biased and don't have any problem spreading more lies.

[thorny steeple]

it contradicts what she was saying about Hamas and the fact that she shacked that solider's hand when she was getting released, also I wouldn't deem the CNN as a reliable source, it's pretty much biased, and you can also take a look at the comments, here is another post on twitter claiming that the CNN is lying.

this is the woman talking about that motorcycle, she also said they treated us very gently and nicely.

this is another woman talking about how they treated her at the time this so called "war" started.

if they are the force that defends Palestinians and stands against a terrorist state like Israel, then I would be a pro-Hamas.

I know how the western media randomly accuses certain groups of being terrorists, regardless of what they do.

it doesn't make sense to blame them for the deaths of their own families! they attacked Israel, Israel should've attacked them back, but instead, they attack tones of innocent civilians, the footage are horrifying! they weren't in any way targeting Hamas!

Egypt

[abstract cypress]

The Israeli government is not "western media". The "western media" debunks the 40 babies fake news. I take all arguments saying "western media" as nonsense because so far the vast majority of media outlets based in the West has demonstrated fair coverage of both Palestinian and Israeli casualties while inserting "x says ..." (x being either the Israeli government or Palestinian authorities) for each claim.

[abstract cypress]

what is the proof of this?

https://youtu.be/YjyQG4CTHRc?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/dh1foCv1F7g?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/YlTU0KHPuT8?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/ClnrOhprBGY?feature=shared

not gonna trust a random tweet when the evidence contrary is overwhelming

[abstract cypress]

kidnapping and killing innocent civillians is terrorism

if you deny hamas being terrorist, then another person has the right to deny israel doing terrorism and war crimes towards the palestinian people

[thorny steeple]

here is what ISIS do:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ea3jaxb2o2Y

this is how ISIS treat the people they capture.

this is how Hamas treats them.

[thorny steeple]

and this.

[abstract cypress]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-music-festival-6a55aae2375944f10ecc4c52d05f2ffe

This is how hamas treats them

defending terrorism is filthy and disgusting

there is literally 0 reason to kidnap a geriatric grandma

you know why some people don't like the pro palestinian movement in the west? because stupid people defend hamas's actions instead of defending the palestinians

hamas =/= palestinians just like israel =/= jews

[thorny steeple]

what does "jihad" means to you?

[lavish finch]

Here

Hi Dave

I see you’re typing

Hi Flare

You’re also typing

Dave

Hi

You and Flare disagree, obviously

Nothing wrong with that

Could I possibly persuade you to speak to the people here who potentially agree with you?

Same question for you Flare

[thorny steeple]

bro, Hamas was a resistance group formed against Israel 1987, it has nothing to do with Sinai, what are you talking about!

[lavish finch]

It’s a real question. No is an acceptable answer

Ok

That includes emojis, Dave

😁

Oh

Are you really leaving?

Or…

Not yet?

[thorny steeple]

can't say no to you honestly mr. James, I hold you in high regard.

[lavish finch]

Well thank you

It’s quite important

[thorny steeple]

I'm sure you're so upset. xD

[lavish finch]

Oh, no you don’t

You don’t have to do anything

Except breathe

[thorny steeple]

he's so upset that I don't have a problem with Hamas as a resistance group against Israel, I provided documented evidence of how Hamas treats its hostages, then they bring some random videos of Hamas armies fighting against Israel while some civilians are around.

[lavish finch]

Conversations are about thoughts and feelings

You got the thoughts

now try to access the feelings

your feelings

are you upset too?

[thorny steeple]

I'm sad, angry, and frustrated.

[lavish finch]

clear

Are you willing to try something with me?

Would you try and see what happens if you shift your focus away from him being upset to you being sad angry and frustrated?

[thorny steeple]

I don't outright support Hamas, maybe they are terrorists, maybe they aren't, but the only thing I know is that they are the only force that can stand against this terrorist state of Israel, and I don't simply accuse a group of terrorism solely for being an Islamic group.

[lavish finch]

Flare

Slow down

[thorny steeple]

okay.

[lavish finch]

I only have two thumbs

Dave you’re leaving

or no?

Wow

now became 15 min of extra time

[thorny steeple]

see, he's going to try and respond to me, and then I'll have to respond, he's not leaving. xD

[lavish finch]

No

You do not have to respond

and I’m sure each response is painful

you don’t have to suffer like this

In conversational misery

conversational slavery

[strange sand]

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[abstract cypress]

Hamas is a terrorist group

[lavish finch]

Flare, notice

the impact without compulsion to reply

the impact on you

Some phrases are designed to elicit a reaction

they are provocative

[exotic scarab]

Its hard to not answer something when its related to trauma and pain when someone like him see such a thing

[lavish finch]

Hard but possible

[thorny steeple]

every "war" has its casualties, what they did was a quick maneuver to distract Israel with the rockets fired while they can hold people hostages in order to be able to exchange them with the Palestinian hostages, so you don't condemn Israel of holding Palestinians hostages over the years, but you do condemn Hamas of holding some hostages and treating them nicely and gently before eventually releasing them.

[lavish finch]

to allow others to be

[hallow tendon]

I came across this... (Yeah I'm still reading a little about prophecy)
'But the one thing that I think of is that when I see the aggression of Russia or Magog, if you will, it’s a reminder that that’s what we’re going to see when Magog attacks Israel.' Mar 8, 2022 can give a link. And what hamas did was the same or even worse.

[lavish finch]

Flare

you’re not trying

what we just agreed to

[exotic scarab]

I guess he wants to prove he is right

[lavish finch]

you’re still debating Dave

[lavish finch]

exactly

Dave you are 30 min late on “leaving”

[thorny steeple]

it shouldn't be cute, you need to be lectured about wars and strategic attacks, it was a big slap on Israel's face, a force that claims to be one of the strongest in the world.

[lavish finch]

ok

5 min slow down for us all

[thorny steeple]

show your true pro-Israel face Dave, don't worry we won't hurt you, it seems like you're so scared of such. xD

[exotic scarab]

Holy cows, i wonder if they can go all night on that

[lavish finch]

Some go their whole lives like that

this is a space for exploring serious topics

not for pushing others to change their minds

if you want to push someone to change, push me.

I am less likely to take it just personally

Otherwise I ask you to speak to the whole channel, and seek understanding first

your own understanding

Of what others are saying

[thorny steeple]

okay, I understand, won't waste more time with these folks.

[lavish finch]

Flare, I want you to tell me what you heard me say.

Try again

Without deleting your own comments

You’re doing great

you are working for everyone right now

Giving us a chance to learn how to have constructive dialogue

[formal scaffold]

People's heroes are others's nightmares

[lavish finch]

See how hard it is to give up the desire to change how others think?

It's my job to block that.

People like to decide for themselves what they think.

You're welcome to think whatever you want here.

But not to pressure others to change.

And if you don't like that policy you are welcome to pressure me to change.

[formal scaffold]

There's a story about the two sons of Adam, there was basically 4 of them 2 girls and 2 boys, and in the marriage age both of them had to make offerings so that they can pick one of the girls, and the older brother gave a bigger offering than the younger brother but it wasn't the finest he had, while the younger brother offered the best he had, when the oldest brother was mocking his brother's offering .....god accepted the youngest brother offering (burned it) and after that the older brother kept complaining while the youngest was willing to accept any outcome ( it's a close example to having dialogue i think)

[abstract cypress]

yeah but anyone who calls hamas heroes is disgusting

[lavish finch]

Slowdown mode, 2 min.

It's natural to have strong feelings about the issues we care about.

[formal scaffold]

I realize now, we keep shooting to have an impact, but it's not one person's effort it's both the writer's and the reader's effort to understand each other

[lavish finch]

Most likely, when we're trying to impact someone else we are missing a vital piece of the picture. We're often having the opposite impact we want to have. And the harder we push, the harder they resist.

It's a kind of trap.

Are you familiar with this toy?

The harder you pull, the tighter it becomes.

[ornate siren]

I forgot its name, can you tell me?

[lavish finch]

Slowmode, 5 sec

[thorny steeple]

chinese finger trap

[lavish finch]

When I was a child it was called a "Chinese finger trap" but that name is probably not used anymore for reasons of political correctness.

[ornate siren]

I see

I played with it long ago.

[lavish finch]

It's a great metaphor for effective communication

[devout shale]

Why you say played but can't say payed?

[lavish finch]

Because those are two completely different words

[devout shale]

I know

[lavish finch]

Do you?

They why ask?

[devout shale]

Because it's irregular

[lavish finch]

You want to know why we have irregular verbs?

[devout shale]

You say paid to refer to verb pay

[latent ledge]

Bruh ur pfp is leterlly a cracked

Fit girl????

[formal scaffold]

yee

[lavish finch]

The answer is complicated

[latent ledge]

Haha legendary one

[lavish finch]

The channel has dropped the topic of engaging across differences.

You sure that's what you want?

I know it's challenging.

[latent ledge]

Damn this topic is always hot 🐔

[exotic scarab]

This thing sounds really interising

[lavish finch]

Yes, it is!

[formal scaffold]

speaking of frustration when you try to convey a message: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5UftOxIQbc&list=LL&index=4

[lavish finch]

I joined a conversation in another group yesterday, by text, where I am not a moderator, attempting to talk across differences.

I lasted an hour and then gave up.

The other person was spamming me

calling me names

and ordering me around

and I was curious how long I could stay engaged without giving up and without pushing them.

Everyone has a limit

[devout shale]

Chatgpt spotted

[formal scaffold]

People resort to insult when they don't have arguments

[devout shale]

I know, language is dynamic and not always consistent

[latent ledge]

In that case i play thier game

Way to get fun

[lavish finch]

The fun of calling people names is short lived.

Even for a professional name caller.

Shakespeare was a professional name caller.

[devout shale]

Shrekspeare

[formal scaffold]

I'm going to use some in the future thanks for the ref :3

[lavish finch]

When I hear anyone yelling down other people for their opinions, I see a desire to end conversation, not begin it. Even if I share the beliefs of the person yelling.

[lone hollow]

16. Tho

[lavish finch]

A few more...

[formal scaffold]

end of conversation and the beginning of fighting, I think it's bc either one of them want to take control

[formal scaffold]

44 🙂

[devout shale]

38

[exotic scarab]

that man was a natural roaster, never saw so many of that even tought i'm brazilian we are just natural roasters. i wish that my 3rd grade high school teacher showed some more arts of Shakesper, i just readed one poem

[thorny steeple]

Sounds like most poetic way to send someone to end himself, not like that barbarian way that is used nowadays.

[formal scaffold]

it wasn't a total waste of time getting insulted around I noticed a pattern, usually they insult you with smth that hurts them so it's some sort of projection and the proof to that is that if you insult them the same insult they get triggered more, and also they insult your identity (Ideology, culture, background)

[lavish finch]

Control is an elusive treasure. The real challenge is to control oneself. Try controlling yourself and see how difficult it is. How can I possibly control another person when I cannot even control myself.

[formal scaffold]

The allusion to control here is to talk more, dismiss the other person POV almost like a speech not a convo

[exotic scarab]

so in order to manipulate a person's point of vision you need to do a speach that will break every single argument possible in one speach?

[formal scaffold]

it comes from, I'm smarter therefore you talk less and listen more to me

[exotic scarab]

i don't think i'm good at this, because most of the times i just pin a my point and convince this person with tones of arguments

[formal scaffold]

Nah you are perfectly fine, I wish I can do that (sorry I misread you -_-)

the more you speak the more of your flaws appear

[lavish finch]

I think that's true.

So for the person interested in investigating their own flaws, it's a great resource.

[exotic scarab]

you mean in stressful situations? could you explain?

[lavish finch]

Everyone has flaws

[young pawn]

How do people around the world think the prices of apple products?

[thorny steeple]

overpriced and not worth it until you get one.

[exotic scarab]

here its like 4.000 dollar a brand new equivalent in our currency, its not worth at all

[lavish finch]

When I allow myself to look squarely at my flaws, only then do I create the possibility of improving them.

I only use Apple

[exotic scarab]

oh i see, thank you Mr. Green

[lavish finch]

I have only used Apple for 35+ years.

[young pawn]

Here, they are considered to be a little expensive

[lavish finch]

This is the computer I started out on in 1990. Apple classic.

browsing looked like this;

[young pawn]

For example, the brand new iPhone 15 is from 5999 RMB

In comparison, the best Chinese android devices are about 6000 RMB

[lavish finch]

I used it to play the boardgame Risk that looked like this;

Looks like Canada has gone full nazi in this game...

[young pawn]

My devices are all Apple now

[exotic scarab]

thats the price from my currency to dollar

thats a brand new iphone 15

[violet crater]

https://youtu.be/tzYYjqS0AoA?si=MFKrjSa-3Tz_X1cw

[lavish finch]

Welcome. Use your words.

[thorny steeple]

yes, I know this toy. you're right. debating usually only yields hatred.

Well there's difference between arguing and debating, but it's up to person where it will lead in the end.

[hallow tendon]

Is it kind of fetish or something?

[young pawn]

No, I just consider that its products are quite good

My first apple device is iPad Pro 9.7 inch generation 1

Then I bought a MacBook Pro…

[hallow tendon]

That's good. I just too bored of electronic stuff, you know. Everything is the same to me until it works somehow.

[young pawn]

Tbh I’m not a crazy fan of them

[thorny steeple]

a debate mostly involves two parties who will do anything to win the argument, and the more they argue the more they stand firm on their positions, regardless of whether or not either of them is right.

humans' egos are sometimes so powerful.

[exotic scarab]

some people want so bad to win a argument that they go for violence even

[thorny steeple]

agreed.

[thorny steeple]

If your goal is to win the argument, for me personally it's arguing not debating. Debate for me it to learn and acknowledge point of view of another person and if possible accept it not trying to convince them that they are wrong and i am right, but i might be wrong and get my definition of debate also wrong.

[thorny steeple]

no you're wrong #@!$%#$, just kidding. xD

[latent ledge]

O dont think we can debate abt the colour of the grass

[thorny steeple]

We can debate about if colour of the grass of your neighbour is greener.

[thorny steeple]

why would you do that?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/939771917030805524.webp?size=48&name=empty&quality=lossless

[latent ledge]

Fun fact:)
We dont have even grass

[thorny steeple]

that's more of a funny fact. xD

[formal scaffold]

your green isn't like my green

[exotic scarab]

your Green isn't like Mr. Green

[formal scaffold]

my family name has green in it too btw

[exotic scarab]

free Green card? haha

[latent ledge]

The greenest thing in this earth

[thorny steeple]

are planes faster, or trains stronger?

[formal scaffold]

I'm higher 🚬

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-christian-bale-american-psycho-kissy-face-nod-gif-4860124

xD

[exotic scarab]

i don't know but involves tones of calculation

[thorny steeple]

alright guys, here are some more trivia.
are oranges named after the color or vice versa?

Actually, first "orange" wasn't name for fruit but the tree, as orange tree, in arabic "omme d’orenge" or just "orenge" (the fruit from the orange tree), middle english speakers adopted that phrase for "orange" back in the 13th century AD.

Color "orange" became thing almost 200 years later.

Also i don't believe you really made me to make research about history of orange.

So for your question, orange as fruit was before color orange.

[thorny steeple]

too late, you already fell for it, you made a whole research about whether or not orange is a color or a fruit. xD

Actually i wonder, what you think was first, chicken or egg? And justify that, as many people likes to say chicken and i like to argue it.

[thorny steeple]

eggs are the products of chickens, so there must be an ancient chicken that laid the first egg, that's what I think.

[exotic scarab]

yes it was a dinossaur

[thorny steeple]

You made me happy that you have same type of thinking, but also sad as i was ready to argue with facts involving evolution.

[thorny steeple]

I don't believe in evolution, I'm a creationist.

[hallow tendon]

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/why-russia-painting-replica-bomber-jets-air-base-floor-2657461 I don't think it can work. You only need one real plane nearby.

[thorny steeple]

at least they are not using tires as protection anymore

[thorny steeple]

12441242145125 IQ. xD

[hallow tendon]

I'm sure they are. There is no limits for mentals.

[rustic vault]

[thorny steeple]

guys, probably only 1% of you will be able to answer this question correctly without googling it.
what is the geometric shape that is used for stop signs?

Octagon i guess?

[thorny steeple]

yep, that's correct!

congrats! you're among the 1% of the people who know the answer of this question. 🎉 🥳

this percentage is not precise though. xD

here is another one, what is "cynophobia"?

don't google it!

[craggy sphinx]

hello beings of the upper light

[hallow tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNRrbm6poE0
hm, if it is dead then... by now I'm sure russia is magog (In interpretation of prophecy) and it's leader is gog, but if it's met its maker... then the king of the north is something different or it will appear in the far future.

[thorny steeple]

alright, I think nobody knows, so I'll just hand over the answer. 🤷‍♂️

cynophobia is the fear of dogs.

[deep lotus]

hey god! how are you doing? no peace on 🌍! fix this issue on earth 🙏

[clever depot]

i slightly fear dogs

especially when the owners are neurotic and let aggressive dogs walk around with no leash

[hallow tendon]

hm... 7 years. that person started war in Ukrane in 2014 and some forces made something like "peace". 7 years after, it attacked Ukraine.
But it's not about Israel itself. My be there was something like some kind of treaty in Israel 9 years ago... just a thought in the wind.

but actually there was something at that time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Gaza_War

[thorny steeple]

“ Love is as incomplete without an ending as life is without death, isn't it?” - wiki Fri, Oct 27

first love is beautiful, right ? because it's incomplete

[hallow tendon]

If you want to believe in that.

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure
cuz I've never been in a relationship before

i would like to listen to their comments who've been in a relationship before

[thorny steeple]

so I've never experienced it

[abstract cypress]

You can't compare ukraine with isreal, ukraine is literally on the same position as palestine rn

[hallow tendon]

The difference between them that Ukraine has no real weapon but Israel has something to protect its people.

[abstract cypress]

which is why ukraine is the one in defenseless position just like palestine

[hallow tendon]

I'm sure If Ukraine had something they would bomb russian territory as well. that's called war. @abstract cypress

[thorny steeple]

Russia has more booms

[hallow tendon]

The important thing who wanted blood, who has started.

[hallow tendon]

not for long. ATACMS will help them to "join" their hamas' friends.

Plus Ukraine will get the fighters. That will change the game.

I'm sure their propaganda will start scream like that pro-palestina's one. Who cares what they scream.

[hallow tendon]

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8a6857b996bd3213525f1b024df392cd-pjlq for all terrorist's fans and admires.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q0KES_YqLQ there were underground children and the tunnels made because hamas somehow knew that Israel will brutally attack, murder and kidnap woman and children. Of course hostages are in Tel Aviv in secret bunkers where Jews are hiding like rats, behind their own children and wives.

[abstract cypress]

What ☠️

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/wzrl0B_Uz49WDfAq4Ft8gWGEttKVRVVmbqZmWnsDK-qUjQxlo2JGqUu8hKlNiljbp4HKn8owmN4UMC8=s640-nd-v1

[craggy sphinx]

wow

[thorny steeple]

downloaded*

[craggy sphinx]

[thorny steeple]

how is life going?

[craggy sphinx]

I don't know, I didn't ask him

[main bison]

do we need men?

[main bison]

ohmgggg
She's so cuteeeey

[thorny steeple]

ok

[thorny steeple]

that's a boy

[thorny steeple]

u weren't even here
if men didn't exist

[thorny steeple]

as far as I know, many scientists are also religious, so they are no contradiction between believing in a god or a superpower and knowing science. this is a good article about can science and faith coexist, I recommend reading it
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/can-faith-and-science-coexist/

[thorny steeple]

oh wait, he's an atheist then, it all makes sense now.

[abstract cypress]

science and religion can coexist absolutely. The difference is science is objective and in science there doesn't exist the behavior of pushing your point of view.

Meanwhile in religion, which is subjective, it's a battle royale of ego and mania to prove whose story is the best and in process push your belief, even to the point of killing people

[thorny steeple]

what he believes in is not related to the discussion dear Flare, I get what he means, there are many religions, so he will not care about such things, they are sciences he will only focus on science, idk why he is comparing science with faith, but I understood his point

[abstract cypress]

for example, no scientist have ever killed religious people for slandering the evolutionary theory, because they simply don't care

meanwhile you can be killed for being atheist in many countries, particularly in the middle east

[civic reef]

yeah, this happens, for me am religious but my version of "religious" is believing in how i see the god and the world, and not how some big established religion tells me it is like, and at the same time i believe in science and i do not denounce any of its achievements or claims in any area. also, if someone does not view the god, or this world, same as me, then i am trying to just respect that and tell them i am glad they have their own belief if it works for them

[abstract cypress]

it's good if you don't try to force your religion upon others. The status quo however is that many religious people are not. This issue may be non-existent in the West where we've had enough of religious wars and accepted that everyone has their own opinion, but it's generally not present elsewhere.

Maybe in Latin America; I don't know if they're Western or not, but they do share Western values

[thorny steeple]

what do you mean? all I'm saying is, now I know why he was saying certain things and why he holds certain views.

[thorny steeple]

that's not the case for Islam, Allah (God) doesn't need people to believe in him, people always have the choice to whether or not they wanna acknowledge their belief, I'm saying acknowledge 'cause a belief is not something you choose.

[formal scaffold]

It's a law that is not applied in all middle east except for Iran, even Saudi stopped that

[abstract cypress]

it's an oxymoron when you say belief is not something you choose. Belief is inherently chosen

[abstract cypress]

even then, they still did apply those laws. That made them infinitely worse than the other side

[formal scaffold]

yep even athiest did back in the days

[abstract cypress]

atheism does not tell people to kill people. Religion does

[smoky skiff]

geography ?

[formal scaffold]

that's delusional

[abstract cypress]

atheism is literally the lack of belief in god. That meant not following a creed at all. If there's nothing to tell them, how can atheism tells people to kill?

[formal scaffold]

even recently the US was practicing the lethal injection

[thorny steeple]

oh wait, yes you're right, made a mistake there.

[abstract cypress]

that's irrelevant to the topic

[formal scaffold]

The US is a secular country

[abstract cypress]

and? did the atheism told the US government to practice death sentence? Does the atheism have a holy book? Does the atheism have a god that tells people what and what not to do?

your statement is very illogical

[thorny steeple]

a belief is absolutely something you choose, I mean being convinced of something but denying it, you still have that belief inside of you whether or not you admit it, that's what I meant though.

[formal scaffold]

did christiany or any other relegion do? no therefore the law isn't relegious, therefore it's non relegious

[smoky skiff]

fear of blue?

[abstract cypress]

You're cofusing correlation with causation. atheism itself is null. That's like saying time tells you to kill people. It's illogical.

[thorny steeple]

no, the fear of dogs.

[abstract cypress]

so that doesn't apply to everyone because not everyone is convinced

tell me where in atheism did it tell you to kill people @formal scaffold

does atheism have a holy book in it that commands its adherents to kill? do you see the illogicality in your statement?

[thorny steeple]

yes, that's what I meant basically, some people will be convinced and yet they'll deny their belief, it's kind of complicated, or perhaps I'm not using a proper term for it.

[formal scaffold]

who says I did say that

back in the days everyone was practicing execution

[smoky skiff]

That is a blue heeler

[formal scaffold]

nowadays only Iran does which is practically a non arab country so what's your point?

[abstract cypress]

It does not concern me because I am not convinced. But if people who are convinced does not believe, it means there's something wrong with their conviction, I'm not sure you can call them convinced

[exotic scarab]

as far as i remember no Christian stand up for death sentence here in my country, but they still do a lot of things that goes against the Christianism

[abstract cypress]

you're implying that atheism is what caused the US government to practice death sentence which is illogical and wrong

[formal scaffold]

it's not from a relegion law, it's a goverment law, and who follow those laws first before their relgion's law? athiest

[abstract cypress]

my point is whether Iran is the only country doing it or there's another, nevertheless, the religious side is worse because they implemented rulings based on their religion that cause harm to people who do not choose to believe in their thing. No matter if they still practice it or not.

Because compared to the other side, there is no such practice.

[abstract cypress]

Then answer me

[formal scaffold]

lethal injection isn't a religious law and it calls for killing

[abstract cypress]

Gross, doesn't relate to the topic though

[formal scaffold]

don't make it like it's only relegion that makes such law, then we can talk

you're not seeing the bigger image ig

[abstract cypress]

where did I say it's only religion that made such laws?

communism, fascism, cults, &c. but not atheism, and certainly not science

[formal scaffold]

saying the middle east practicing that law while it's just once country which is Iran is kinda disingenuous

[abstract cypress]

I already said nevertheless if they practice it now or abandoned it it does not matter

[abstract cypress]

please read

please read and have some comprehension

[formal scaffold]

You are blaming only relegion for it while living goverment laws, if you included them than maybe

[abstract cypress]

because it is in their religion

[thorny steeple]

if someone is convinced of something does that mean he believes in it and vice versa?

[abstract cypress]

Europe used to have them too, if that gives you any solace

and religion is used as the basis of such law

[formal scaffold]

it existed way before that

[abstract cypress]

according to your logic, if someone is convinced but did not believe, then their convidence is null because convidence = belief

[abstract cypress]

way before what? Islam? And whatever laws came before it are based on Arabian paganism, Zoroastrianism, Ancient Egyptian religion, Judaism, and so forth

[bright sage]

Nah, u can make some1 truly understand and accept something in order to convince. Without making a person to just believe u

[thorny steeple]

do you disagree?

[hallow tendon]

To be told and to comprehend or sense are different things. And I'm sure that, most people, especially who trying to make up "their versions of religion", can see only the tiny tip of the iceberg (if we talk about Judaism and Christianity of course). That's mind blowing thing.

[formal scaffold]

was the hanging method mentioned in the relgious books??

[abstract cypress]

no, I'm just making a conclusion of your logic. It does not work because being convinced is equated with belief

therefore if someone does not believe, it meant that they are not convinced

[formal scaffold]

or when they tie you to a horse

[abstract cypress]

killing is

[formal scaffold]

pin every killing on relegion if that make u feel good but do provide evidence

relegion is very stric on the method used for execution outside that it's just a non relegious practice

[serene birch]

It seems like too long to read and catch up. What is the topic you are all talking about rn?

[formal scaffold]

if you get a problem with death sentence make it about that not about relegion