🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

yeah, I just confused. sorry

I agree, living your life knowing that an entire country is being genocided is absolutely difficult.

[smoky skiff]

We need meta discussion on discussion now

[lavish finch]

I feel really sad about this too.

But the world is watching.

And is shuddering

I spent all yesterday reading and watching the news.

You say you feel guilty, but it’s not your fault.

It is very difficult to look on and wonder what can be done.

[craggy sphinx]

I hope everything goes away

[chilly coral]

@craggy sphinx hii

[thorny steeple]

weishenme?

[shrewd basin]

hello is any one help me please\

my frind is ban

[worldly kettle]

I don't think this is appropriate channel to speak about that, right?

[craggy sphinx]

?

[craggy sphinx]

hello

[thorny steeple]

sorry, I thought you are chinese

[craggy sphinx]

我知道一點點

[thorny steeple]

good

nice to meet you

[chilly coral]

@craggy sphinx u from?

[craggy sphinx]

Russia

[ornate siren]

Hello, Ruslan

[worn pond]

ahaha

[thorny steeple]

why do you laugh? what does RusIan mean? I can't find that word in a dictionary

[craggy sphinx]

Name

[craggy sphinx]

I'm petor

gig

[craggy sphinx]

how are you?

[sonic lion]

This chat is not enough serious today

[craggy sphinx]

[ornate siren]

Make it serious then.

With a topic regarding anything but the Palestinian War.

[sonic lion]

Damn

Okay

[craggy sphinx]

fuck politics

[sonic lion]

Said somebody who doesn’t know anything about it

As always

[craggy sphinx]

reasonable of you.

[ornate siren]

Stop swearing.

[craggy sphinx]

ok

[sonic lion]

Topic: being apolitical is a myth

[craggy sphinx]

It’s hard to call it a topic

[sonic lion]

Well, do it better then. Set a new topic

[sonic lion]

Yeah it’s a fact

[craggy sphinx]

de-fanizing polarizers.

[craggy sphinx]

no

[sonic lion]

Proof

[sonic lion]

Yeah but what’s your point

[craggy sphinx]

foorp

[sonic lion]

What

[formal scaffold]

politics:
noun
1.the activities associated with the governance of a country or area, especially the debate between parties having power.
"the party quickly gained influence in French politics"
2. activities aimed at improving someone's status or increasing power within an organization.
"yet another discussion of office politics and personalities".

Apolitic:

1. the fact of having no interest in or connection with politics

Some people don't have interest in Politics

https://tenor.com/view/thats-all-folks-thatsit-the-gif-5412622

[sonic lion]

Damn dude

[craggy sphinx]

That's not the point.

[formal scaffold]

That's my point

[formal scaffold]

Idk yr point, you may clear it up now

[sonic lion]

“Apolitical: Some people don’t have interest in politics” no shit sherlock

[formal scaffold]

Not me who started dwelling over the obvious

[craggy sphinx]

Thanks
this is expressed in contrasts. perceived by the viewer and possible manifestation flare-up.

understand?

[sonic lion]

Their lack of interest still play a huge political part in society and affects the politics of the world. Being neutral is a myth, your behavior is benefiting a class that gains off that

[formal scaffold]

By definition they are still Apolitic

[craggy sphinx]

this is impossible. you are surrounded by it and witness it.

[formal scaffold]

I thought the definition was obv

[sonic lion]

I’m inviting you to look beyond the definition, honey. That’s how a topic is set

[formal scaffold]

Interest =/= imact on society

[formal scaffold]

You should rephrase your topic, I'll do that after

[ornate siren]

That's no sentence.

[craggy sphinx]

@ornate siren Do you think it is possible to prevent cells from dying?

[formal scaffold]

this makes no sense whatsoever

[sonic lion]

But it’s still valid. You might be apolitical on semantic but not on material

[ornate siren]

Check out HeLa cells

[sonic lion]

How

[formal scaffold]

I agree some poeple don't want to involve themselves thinking that won't affect politics (ex: not voting has the same impact as voting)

You are going against the definition of the word that's all

[sonic lion]

Let’s say this way then: political neutrality is a myth

[formal scaffold]

there we go

[sonic lion]

I think everyone agree on this topic 😭
I can’t think of a topic that creates a lot of division

[formal scaffold]

not shit sherlock 🙂

I mean at least you tried to bring up a topic I salute that

[sonic lion]

I can’t think of a contradictory topic without starting a war

[formal scaffold]

I was having that Political neutrality mindset before, and I believe some people still do

[sonic lion]

Fair enough

[formal scaffold]

Just joking bruh

[sonic lion]

I think I never did

[polar fox]

Need people who can educate me about the war goin on

[ornate siren]

You just got wars, religion, and God.

[formal scaffold]

I'll stay neutral until the fog clears up, Media is a tool mostly monitized by the goverments after all

[formal scaffold]

Praised be God

[ornate siren]

Stop with this...

[formal scaffold]

why would I? did I offend you?

Is praising god in a serious chat is off limits now?

[ornate siren]

It's going on ad nauseam here.

[thorny steeple]

Hello I wanna know what is the difference liberal humanism and humanism

[formal scaffold]

Not enough reason for me to stop

[sonic lion]

I don’t know but I can imagine

[polar fox]

Fk liberals

[formal scaffold]

I would've thought about it if you were polite instead of giving orders

[sonic lion]

Yeah, the idea that social media is free is so utopian

[sonic lion]

Fk liberals

[formal scaffold]

Agreed

[formal scaffold]

I'm waiting for a liberal to show up

[sonic lion]

They’re probably busy buying bitcoin

[polar fox]

[sonic lion]

Let’s be philosophical if we can’t be disagreeable c’mon

[formal scaffold]

Reaching * absolute freedom is impossible

[sonic lion]

Yup that’s true

What is true freedom for you people

[formal scaffold]

It's to put myself in others shoes, and treat them like I want to be treated or else I'm being ironic, having this rule is essential in my freedom

[craggy sphinx]

no

[ornate siren]

Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeLa

[craggy sphinx]

immortalized cell line" used in scientific research. It is the oldest and one of the most commonly used human cell lines. The line is derived from cervical cancer cells taken on February 8, 1951, from Henrietta Lacks, a 31-year-old African-American mother of five who died of cancer on October 4, 1951, and after whom they are named. The cell line has been found to be remarkably long-lived and prolific, allowing it to be widely used in scientific research.

but

but

[sonic lion]

but what

[sonic lion]

I’m trying to do that, be more human. It’s so hard tho

[formal scaffold]

at least you are trying

[sonic lion]

That’s true

I think true freedom might come from caring for people, truly. And sacrificing for them

[craggy sphinx]

HeLa cells can divide indefinitely due to a mutation in the cells,right?

[sonic lion]

That’s the only freedom that is not self/destructive, as ironic as it sounds

[ornate siren]

Yeah

[exotic gale]

American English Slang: Dialogues, Phrases, Words & Expressions for English Learners (Advanced English Conversation Dialogues, Expressions, and Idioms)

you have this book ?

[sonic lion]

No

You can look for this sort of content on youtube, and you’ll also have the audio

Don’t need to buy a book

[thorny steeple]

Emmaaaa

[sonic lion]

Angellineee

Mulher você sumiu

[formal scaffold]

Make me stop 🙂

Cya

[thorny steeple]

Criatura do céu, você não tá em mute não.

I didn't dissapear, actually I've been quite active lately.

[sonic lion]

It was two days ago I guess

For disrespect

[thorny steeple]

You're a chaos. 😹

[sonic lion]

Are you surprised? 😭

[thorny steeple]

With you muted? Yes!

But let's move on to the brighter future. ✨

[foggy mulch]

hey

[thorny steeple]

Hii@foggy mulch

[exotic gale]

@sonic lionplisss emma

[tender solar]

Hey guys,
I'm Chris Zhang, from Singapore.
I need someone who is located in the US or can speak American English.
I want to collaborate with you. If you are interested in this, Pls ping me DM.

[sonic lion]

In my polite era

[hallow tendon]

one side ran a bloodbath, another side isn't going to forgive. I think a lot of conflicts have something like that in common

[thorny steeple]

Yesss Let's be here only to have fun with our cyberfriends.

[peak shale]

@opal fox @crisp pewter @rare harness @forest raptor , day without you feels so boring DAMN, I am really getting too addicted to you all

[forest raptor]

I mean, we'll be there in some time

we'll host 2 events

[peak shale]

wait what

2 events

[rare harness]

Ik I can be a drug but god damnnnnn

[covert raptor]

Okay radfem

[peak shale]

you are truly a addictive drug

[forest raptor]

a story by you, and a cozy moment

[forest raptor]

her singing is, indeed

[peak shale]

mhmmmmm

Water time homies, get some and stay hydrated

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-easter-śmigus-dyngus-dyngus-day-throw-water-celebration-gif-16838652

[whole beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-bottled-water-jordan-black-like-pacific-self-defeated-song-thirsty-gif-26656616

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/SiodQJa035eazwVzaP2FFqyBtEVuXocB1iuejqHyyPvDYtQGaaAcofzgbdWAC_BCw4lc-gloK34Mkw=s640-nd-v1

[whole beacon]

Dats me ! Couldn't agree more

[formal scaffold]

same 🤝

[worn bolt]

?av👀

[thorny steeple]

🤔

[thorny steeple]

What you're doingg

[whole beacon]

Staying dehydrated in the chat !
Having coffe in real life

[thorny steeple]

Where are our buddy @thorny steeple

17 with 55yo voice boii.

[whole beacon]

He was here seconds ago talking about pasta!
He left unoticed.

He did tag my name , told me to be in vc by 11pm , (my time i guess)

[thorny steeple]

@whole beacon @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

By my time

Greatt ✨

[whole beacon]

That means in 10 min from now

[thorny steeple]

20

[thorny steeple]

Harika

whottt

Ohhh okok

[thorny steeple]

Harika=Turkish=great

[thorny steeple]

I want just to know I don't mean anything

[formal scaffold]

the answer is there: "I don't know but I can imagine" I think that's what they meant

[formal scaffold]

I might be wrong 😦

I follow the Me-isme so I'm not well informed about the other ideologies :/

[craggy sphinx]

I'm serious

[formal scaffold]

this book describes us ig

[formal scaffold]

you always are :3

[whole beacon]

I'll take a look on the english version !since im blue in french

[thorny steeple]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4PbxmzJBReVURVxYqManMp?si=999d7fae9fa44fe1

What feelings can be similar to nostalgia? (Good ones)

[formal scaffold]

Mybae it's time you practice your french too xD

[whole beacon]

Too late , i hate the bloody thing , all thanks to bad professors.

[formal scaffold]

"BLUE IN FRENCH" it's an Algerian only thing or is it ??? we have some weird expressions 😬

[whole beacon]

I think its universal , wait we'll c

anyone here !

do u know wat :" blue in french" means

[thorny steeple]

Thank youuu ❤️

[glass trench]

As Turks, we teach Turkish to foreigners OMG

[thorny steeple]

I AM NOT A TURKISH

[glass trench]

HOW DO YOU KNOW TURKISH?

[thorny steeple]

i know some turkish language not full

cause of a turkish series

[craggy sphinx]

[glass trench]

omg whats youre favorite

hörşil written in Turkish alphabet

[charred flint]

hi

[thorny steeple]

i dont have any favourite actually ijust used to watch the series before not now

[whole beacon]

I guess nobody knows !
Algerian indeed

[thorny steeple]

due to my friend she gave me my names translation

[thorny steeple]

vc?

[thorny steeple]

lets join of 2 i want to see my mic if it is properly fixed or not

[glass trench]

which ones would you watch

[sonic lion]

You don’t even know my political beliefs

[whole beacon]

Im at work ! I won't talk much

[thorny steeple]

i watched one named kardeslerim

[thorny steeple]

okay np just see my voice

[whole beacon]

Okay

[glass trench]

I was almost sure you were Turkish, you surprised me

[thorny steeple]

2.17

[glass trench]

yep i know ,very popular series in turkey .everybody love but i not prefer watching

[covert raptor]

nihilist anarchist xenofeminist frr

[covert raptor]

A feminist woman made language as opposed to patriarchal languages people use today. You think what https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Láadan

[sonic lion]

What is xenofeminist?

Oh god

What about ask what I am before making assumptions

[covert raptor]

Latest wave of feminism ha!

Get ahead with times

[sonic lion]

I’ll research it

[covert raptor]

💀

[sonic lion]

I’m familiar, I didn’t even knew it had a name

[covert raptor]

Western natural languages may be better suited for expressing the views of men than women

[sonic lion]

Thought it was intrinsic to radical feminism

[sonic lion]

God 💀

Those people create every type of revolution but the right one

[covert raptor]

You used to know this but now you suffer from dementia?

[covert raptor]

She is right about that. Her research hypothesis is accurate.

[sonic lion]

I know about gender abolition that’s all

[sonic lion]

Yeah go worry about useless stuff

[covert raptor]

Concerning

[sonic lion]

Cry about it

[covert raptor]

Not useless stuff. Her her point is women are unable to express themselves with the current languages

Refute her hypothesis

Be brave

[sonic lion]

I didn’t say she was wrong, I said the conclusion is useless

[covert raptor]

What conclusion?

Learn a new language. Isn't that hard?

[sonic lion]

That is not the conclusion, is the suggestion. God

[covert raptor]

Useless it might be for you, but to be free and liberated from verbal constraints is important

[sonic lion]

Bro go speak esperanto and hope that is going to end oppression lmao

[covert raptor]

So you recommend me to learn male centric gazed language?

Really smhh

[sonic lion]

Lmfao

You radfems are funny as shit

[covert raptor]

Wtf is L. L. Zamenhof

[covert raptor]

brofems

[sonic lion]

You researched it that’s cute

[covert raptor]

Unlike u who is lazy

Learn from me rofl

[sonic lion]

Indeed

[sonic lion]

Oh please

[covert raptor]

Male feminists around the world unite!

[sonic lion]

Hope you’re not a terf otherwise i’ll just leave the convo already

[covert raptor]

Nah that's JK Rowling

[sonic lion]

I’m materialistic, don’t make assumptions

[thorny steeple]

[sonic lion]

Angelline was a sign for me not to argue

[warm berry]

[covert raptor]

I play with Nerfs

[thorny steeple]

I am a sign of peace 😻

[sonic lion]

You are

[thorny steeple]

UwU

[covert raptor]

Unfortunately we cannot reach true egalitarianism because of people who stifle progress

[sonic lion]

What is true egalitarianism

Define

[covert raptor]

It seems u clearly are an obstacle

[sonic lion]

It seems that you have nothing to contribute to society other than mindlessly attack people you don’t even know. Have a good talk with yourself since you like your voice so much. Goodbye.

[covert raptor]

🥱

[warm berry]

How reliable it is for having a frog as a pet and as a mosquito hunter as well 🤔

[covert raptor]

I have a hot take that owning pets should be illegal

[radiant spruce]

Hya

[covert raptor]

Pets:
We shouldn't own pets. I think the idea of making anyone a pet is wrong. Everything might be alive, we should treat everyone with respect. We should treat others as people and be respectful to others. We shouldn't put anyone on leashes or chain up anyone. Think about other perspectives, I don't think others want to be or treated as a pet. We should end others having pets, and free others. We should help other creatures, and not make pets out of others.

[warm berry]

k

[thorny steeple]

lol i am not turkish

[glass trench]

ı understand

[thorny steeple]

oh u know it. well u did good by not seeing it cause it is higly addictive series with a lot of climax

[glass trench]

I just thought you were Turkish

[thorny steeple]

i am from india

[glass trench]

omg

your TV series are very popular among us.

[craggy sphinx]

wtf what is that fool Peterson tweeting?

[ornate siren]

Stop posting about Among Us.

[covert raptor]

He's out of drugs. Also he's a paid agent

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-peterson-gif-26139823

[thorny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-rant-amogus-stop-posting-about-among-us-stop-posting-gif-21710838

[whole beacon]

@sonic lion @shell lily @thorny steeple plz continue ur debate here !
Sry for the interruption

[thorny steeple]

Okay

[sonic lion]

I don’t think logic is going to make believe in god

[thorny steeple]

This aint serious tho

[sonic lion]

But you’re free to talk

[thorny steeple]

hmm

logical arguments:

[sonic lion]

Are you using what, analytical philosophy?

[glass trench]

what?

[thorny steeple]

(1) Some things are caused.

(2) Whatever is caused is caused by another.

(3) The series (ordered per se) of causes does not regress infinitely.

(4) Therefore, there must be
an uncaused cause.

[glass trench]

@thorny steeple omg your profile photo is very aesthetic

[thorny steeple]

the uncaused cause being God
Who has no explanation or cause for existing

[sonic lion]

That doesn’t proof anything

Why you assume it’s a god

Precisely your god

[thorny steeple]

Nah lets leave aside which God alr?

Im jst saying the atheist stance is incorrect

[sonic lion]

You have to define god tho, ‘cause if that’s Spinoza it’s different

[thorny steeple]

That all things came into being without a creator

[thorny steeple]

Spinoza?

[thorny steeple]

Thankss

[sonic lion]

God for him was related to nature

[thorny steeple]

a creator exists who was never created

[sonic lion]

He believed that god was everything

[sonic lion]

If you assume god wasn’t created, why do you assume the universe was?

[thorny steeple]

Ah no not like that
Im talking abt a Creator, the Originator

[covert raptor]

Big bang my guy

[sonic lion]

If we ask ‘who created god’ you say you don’t know, why you can’t accept same thing to the universe?

[thorny steeple]

if it wasn't created, how are we existing in it rn

[sonic lion]

Okay, like a force above all forces? Without dogmas and shit?

[thorny steeple]

not that we dont know, he was never created in the first place

Okay lemme give u an analogy

[sonic lion]

Philosophy is so unproductive sometimes

I mean

[thorny steeple]

u create a computer right?
It has code inside it
The code is made up of 0's and 1's

Okay?

[sonic lion]

Ok

Yeah sure

[thorny steeple]

yeah so

The 0 and 1 can never try and comprehend the human that created them
Its muscles tissues bones brains nerves etc etc

[sonic lion]

I mean, why would we have to bother to answer how the universe was created if religion doesn’t even explain who creates god in the first place

How he came out of nowhere?

[thorny steeple]

Thats what im getting to rn

[sonic lion]

Okay

[craggy sphinx]

he is a stupid and sick bastard.

[sonic lion]

Keep going

[thorny steeple]

Yeah so the 'human biology' is simply out of scope of understanding of the computers code
Does that mean that the code was created out of nowhere?
No

[covert raptor]

For what? He has legit medical issues. Nothing to make fun of

[thorny steeple]

The creator exists OUT OF the dimension of his creation

We exist in 4 dimensions

3 physical one meta physical i.e time

Asking questions like "when was he created" is incorrect bcos

He exists OUTSIDE of time

As we perceive it

[sonic lion]

I AGREE

That’s why god can’t be proof through science

I completely agree

[thorny steeple]

Uno modern physics suggests there are more than 3 dimensions? but we humans can only experience 3

[sonic lion]

Yeah

[thorny steeple]

Yes bcos science is limited

There are new discoveries every centuries

Black holes wud seem like heresy to medieval times

Science keeps changing

thats why im using cosmological arguments to prove that this universe, as we perceive it, was created by an uncreated creator

[sonic lion]

It is but it’s not because of that precisely. The ability of an hypothesis to be proven wrong guaranties it’s legitimacy, at least for Karl Popper. But we have a theory of how life was created. But if we regret and regret on the theories we’ll come up to ‘how was the universe made?’ again

And they simply don’t know, they’re still studying it

And making progress

The thing about atheists is simply negating religion, this mystical explanation purely based on belief

[thorny steeple]

hmm u see many scientists were theists themselves

[sonic lion]

Indeed

Heisenberg for example said that the more he knew, the more he was sure of god’s existence

[thorny steeple]

Bcos they cudnt explain anything w their reasoning
Hence they turned to God
That "bcos God wants it to be that way, it IS that way"

[thorny steeple]

Yes

“”””””.”@:

[exotic scarab]

i don't iq for that conversation

[thorny steeple]

THE UNIVERSE FUNCTIONS, NOT OFF LOGIC AND REASONING, BUT OFF MATHEMATICS. THINGS THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE, LIKE HAWKING RADIATION CREATING SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING, OR NEGATIVE MASS, IS POSSIBLE SIMPLY BECAUSE IT IS MATHEMATICALLY POSSIBLE. QUANTUM NON-LOCALITY ALSO SHOW PROCESSES DONE IN AN INSTANT REGARDLESS OF DISTANCE, BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE COMMANDS IN A PROGRAM AND NOT AN ACTUAL PHYSICAL PHENOMENON. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE IN AN ATHEIST WORLD.

oh my lord-

[sour marlin]

Oh u guys haven't stopped yet?

[sonic lion]

Dude

We don’t know everything, theories are proven wrong sometimes

And that is good

That doesn’t mean god existis

[exotic scarab]

those kind of conversations can go for hours

[thorny steeple]

Are you arguing about God’s existence?

[thorny steeple]

Okay but why does that mean God doesn't exist?

[thorny steeple]

Yea

[sour marlin]

Ew
That's too much tbh

[thorny steeple]

being an agnostic won't work
U have to put ur beliefs thru the grinder so u can be sure abt them

[sonic lion]

I think the idea of an creator is just a way of coping with the absurdity of the universe. We are too weak, or too curious, idk, an assume things to feel better

That’s a cliche point of view

But it’s true for me

[exotic scarab]

actually not. its just a debate. a common debate can take some hours too

[thorny steeple]

Yes exactly lol
Why is the sky blue? Why do we have 2 eyes and not 3? Why does gravitational force pull, but not push?

Bcos God made it so!

[sonic lion]

I think some people believe in god, others in beauty, in material, in power etc but we all have a way to cope with absurdity

[thorny steeple]

Dear people, there’s no point in arguing on that question, since everyone has their opinion on that because religion is faith… I do believe in God and I think there are several proofs that God exists, but if someone doesn’t believe that’s alright, I can’t force them to believe in something they don’t want to…

[thorny steeple]

thats the point of debating
So as to not push beliefs around

[sonic lion]

Well, asking things like this is philosophy. Science just answer why things happen now why they are the way they are and not other way

[thorny steeple]

Ew? Bru-

[thorny steeple]

Actually, science has answer to all that questions (but yes, God made it all possible)

[sonic lion]

It’s called serious chat, it’s made for arguing

[thorny steeple]

Yepp to me
Science is the biggest cope lol
There were so many exceptions to the laws of chemistry it didnt make sense

[sonic lion]

Frr chemistry is so complex

[bronze kraken]

You are not in a voice channel

[sour marlin]

I see

[thorny steeple]

No it doesn't 😅 if it did, religion wudnt exist now

[thorny steeple]

What do you mean? Religion is more older than “modern science”

[sonic lion]

So what

[covert raptor]

What religion are you

[exotic scarab]

consequences, choice, potential failed experiments who knows. we never know why certain things happens or why do they have a reaction, we just believe that what is what it is

[sour marlin]

What
I said ew to long conversation any problem?

[sonic lion]

We don’t have to believe, you can analyze the data and if you disagree you can refute the experiment

[thorny steeple]

When u keep asking questions, it can get a bit insane...
U see not only science fails to explain reality, it doesnt help w morality as well
"Oh why is killing animals inhumane?" "Why cant i marry my brother?" "If i r*pe a person, why shud it bother me?
Scientifically" lol

[thorny steeple]

ure ew

[faint blade]

U love your brother?

[exotic scarab]

yes, but for some people they choose to not refute the experiment

[thorny steeple]

eh shut up

[sonic lion]

That’s for philosophy to answer, I agree

[faint blade]

sorry to interrupt.

[sonic lion]

That’s not the point. Science is not something that you MUST accept, it exists regardless of your beliefs

It just happens

[thorny steeple]

mhm
I believe God created us for a purpose
And he told us how to live our lives

[thorny steeple]

??? Morality is not just religious thing, we have philosophical discipline called ethics, and ethics studies morality… Morality also may depend on person…

[sonic lion]

Religion is so bad for morality

Philosophy is way better

[thorny steeple]

Who decides which ethics are right or wrong?
Ur religion and my religion can have contradicting ethics

[thorny steeple]

uhmm i disagree but we'll talk abt it some other time ig

[sonic lion]

This is such a good question

The first one

[exotic scarab]

yes but its the society who say what is correct and wrong

[sonic lion]

I think it’s feeling related

[thorny steeple]

Morality isn’t only religious thing, is every Greek God (for example) the good example of morality? Of course not

[thorny steeple]

My philosophy says I shud go and shoot up a school
Acc to atheism, all humans are is a bunch of random arrangement of particles yea? After being shot, theyll still remain particles

No, we need an objective view.

[sonic lion]

That’s almost the plot of crime and punishment lmao

[sour marlin]

Kid!

[sonic lion]

But you’re right, you can. However, law existis

You’re not getting unpunished

[thorny steeple]

Thats why i don't believe in the religion of Greeks lol

[formal scaffold]

I think there's something called conciouse that's why people go around and stab people

[open plover]

||# GOD is the one, OK?||

[formal scaffold]

relegion is good and all but it's not only the thing that hold people from committing crimes

[thorny steeple]

Again, law was made by humans
In america, the age of consent is 18
In japan, its 16
So if im having sex w a 17 yr old, i can get persecuted acc to american standards
Who decides whats right or wrong

[lavish finch]

What?

[thorny steeple]

See, many and many years ago people believed in many Gods (Greeks, Romans, Egyptians…), there wasn’t Christianity or any other religion (that we know today - such as Christianity, Islam etc.) 😼

[thorny steeple]

What?

[sonic lion]

She’s not being serious, we’re just debating

[formal scaffold]

such is the relativity of laws

[sonic lion]

Don’t ban her 😭

[exotic scarab]

its the way the society works, education,rules and all the thing that make the society more liveble

[thorny steeple]

Yepp thats whats called subjective morality

[sonic lion]

Yeah, humans collective decides what is moral and what is not. We can change that tho, it happened a lot. With religion, you must accept everything right or wrong just bc a book said so

[thorny steeple]

So what?

[formal scaffold]

three's no reason to diregard relegions role in descipline and also no reason to say that without it we can't be good humans

[thorny steeple]

what if the book came from God? lol

[sonic lion]

What if not?

You can’t guarantee

[formal scaffold]

not everyone believes that

[thorny steeple]

So, their Gods weren’t example of good morality 🤔

[sonic lion]

And what if I disagree with god?

[lavish finch]

That's true. They were absolutely not.

[ornate siren]

What's crackin' here?

[thorny steeple]

okay, and?
Sorry i dont get what ure trying to say

[sonic lion]

Debate on god’s existence and morality

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-redes-sociales-fake-news-bulo-bulos-gif-19813926

[thorny steeple]

okay lemme present my last argument

[sonic lion]

Go on

[thorny steeple]

So, the point is that people also believed in Gods that weren’t good example of morality, because morality isn’t just religious thing, it depends on the person (and is also studied by ethics - philosophical discipline)

We should ask philosophers about this question, it would be interesting

[formal scaffold]

I think the topic is too emmersive to be discussed widely like that 🤔

[exotic scarab]

yeah we can be good without religion, but religion became the symbol of "morality" on the society and its quite rooted on it, it took a long time to build that society based mostly in the religions

[sonic lion]

Is something bad because god says so or god says it because it’s bad?

Damn I’m hungry

[formal scaffold]

after all it's just an influence thing, people will be their own people in the end with a slight effect depending on how much they understand their own relegion, and what does it dectate on them, and how much they are willing to practice it

[thorny steeple]

blud if aint for religious morality
Nothings stopping me from wreaking havoc on other people
After all we're just a bunch of random arrangement of atoms that came into existence by mistake, not by design

[thorny steeple]

Yes

Also, very first religion was created because they wanted to scare people

[exotic scarab]

not actually, i see MANY christians comiting sins all the time so its a valid point

[formal scaffold]

bruh your conscence is stoping you from doing anything bad, you want a proof? not every athiest is their creating havoc

[lavish finch]

Spending the last few days listening to people talk endlessly about how they want to kill each other on Twitter, I have lost my social appetite.

[thorny steeple]

again, only one religion can be true
Cant group all the religions under one umbrella

[thorny steeple]

Your own morality stops you from doing that…

[sonic lion]

Delete twitter, your life gets like 97% better

[thorny steeple]

So, we have many religions. What now?

[formal scaffold]

I just wanna kill time here :3

[thorny steeple]

Does this mean that all religions are fake?

Obviously not

[exotic scarab]

its like greek mythology everyone have that supreme religion

[thorny steeple]

Guelllll

[thorny steeple]

uhm what? keeping aside the wreaking havoc part
If i start smoking, why is it wrong?
If i start cheating on my spouse, why is it wrong?
If i uhhh yes start cussing and slandering and disrespecting yall, WHY IS IT WRONG?
my morality isnt stopping me, its acc making me do all this
God is whats stopping me @formal scaffold

[thorny steeple]

I already did, with Facebook too.

[formal scaffold]

it's endless like my taste is better than yours type thing, it's called "belief" bc it's not 100% prooven right

[thorny steeple]

Only one can be true obviously

[formal scaffold]

it's a you thing, but what you are doing is you are applying your standards on others

[thorny steeple]

Sorry i dont get it

Okay im gonna go now

And also… tell me… if religion is into morality and ethics, why would the church in the middle ages kill people who believed that earth wasn’t flat and also why would they ask for money for the forgiveness of sins…

Good discussion

[exotic scarab]

those standards based on her religion

[formal scaffold]

Meaning people who were relegious before and quit relegion after, or people who aren't relegious at all, not all of them are doing what you mentioned above

[formal scaffold]

thus why I said "your standards" to her

[thorny steeple]

No? If the God is the only thing that stops you from doing that, that means that you want to do all these things, which basically means your own morality is wrong

[covert raptor]

Tribalism is inherently a human thing. This "us" versus "them" phenomenon will never go away.

[thorny steeple]

lol so THAT particular religions morality and ethics were wrong

Uno there are weird sex cults around, what makes them any wronger than the mainstream religions

[formal scaffold]

and let me tell you, you won't be a saint if you follow a relegion, you might be worse than those who don't believe

[exotic scarab]

because they were currupts, playing and manipulating people for personal goals

[thorny steeple]

Which religion are you?

[thorny steeple]

Bruh? Its called the original sin
If it wasnt for the server rules, and ud not suffer any repercussions for ur actions, ud do all types of shit no doubt

[thorny steeple]

that proves nothing...

[formal scaffold]

I feel so much emotions going on here let's all take a deep breath and have a healthy conversation ^^

[thorny steeple]

No? I wouldn’t kill people if there were no God for sure, and wouldn’t do many other things, because everyone has their own morality lol

[formal scaffold]

absolutely, it just goes against the idea you presented about Non believers

[thorny steeple]

Thats subjective morality
whats wrong for u means nothing to me

[thorny steeple]

Exactly

We need an objective morality
Aka god

[formal scaffold]

which god?

[thorny steeple]

oh my god

Okay, so now we have a problem called - one religion says that it’s okay to do thing A, but the other religion says it isn’t. How will I solve the problem?

[thorny steeple]

U have to choose

whichever makes more sense ig

So, it’s about subjective morality

See lol

[formal scaffold]

Heated, I'ma pull back for now.

[thorny steeple]

Haha no

Basically yes

I proved you

u can choose bcos u have free will

💀

That doesnt mean theres no objective morality

I choose depending on my own morality

My fingers are dead...

[exotic scarab]

wich for some people can be a morality based on religion

[thorny steeple]

So, what about people in Ancient times, their Gods weren’t good morality examples, but we have many people that were good morality examples

Sooo…?

Subjective Morality

[formal scaffold]

My taste is always perfect, proove me wrong? convince me that i have a bad taste

[thorny steeple]

Yeah, I know, but this person says there’s no subjective morality and that there’s an “objective” morality which isn’t true

[thorny steeple]

What the-

[formal scaffold]

exactly

[thorny steeple]

I cud give u some examples to prove u wrong but ill get muted/banned soooo

First of all, your taste, as your body parts may be different comparing to the other people because of genetics and anatomy (simple biology)

[formal scaffold]

what's objective to you is most likely subjective to others

[thorny steeple]

Write it in my dms

[exotic scarab]

a "objetive morality" never existed, just morality based on society WICH can change trough time.

[thorny steeple]

EXACTLY

yh there is a right way of doing things
And others are the wrong way of doing things

I rest my case

[thorny steeple]

Some other time

Bye bye 👋🏼

In Middle Ages women were only sexual objects (Objective Morality?)

[thorny steeple]

lol?

[formal scaffold]

if it agrees with your own definition of objective morality it'll be objective, but your own definition of that is subjective ..... endless loop

[thorny steeple]

What? This means that every scientific definition is subjective LOL

[thorny steeple]

Thats where God comes in buddy

[formal scaffold]

therefore it's not objective

[thorny steeple]

If u can prove God is real then objective morality is real as well

[formal scaffold]

Oh my god

[exotic scarab]

in certain sense yes

[formal scaffold]

you believe in god?

[thorny steeple]

Please, don’t be silly, Ethics is a philosophical discipline that studies morality, and if you want to know more, you can always go to your nearby library and read

[thorny steeple]

Thats what the debate was about
Not morality lol

[formal scaffold]

thanks but no thanks keep yr subjective advice to yrself

[formal scaffold]

I'm asking you

[exotic scarab]

bro this a danm infinity loop

[thorny steeple]

I like kids if u disagree w me keep ur subjective opinion to urself

aaa

[thorny steeple]

lol

you are very stupid

[formal scaffold]

subjective, insult, no argument, have a nice day

[thorny steeple]

yes

[thorny steeple]

HAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

NO ARGUMENT?

[formal scaffold]

do you know what the world believe insinuate?

[thorny steeple]

GIRL YOU JUST SAID THAT SCIENCE IS SUBJECTIVE

[exotic scarab]

thats actually a common sense, some people don't like it but its their free will

[thorny steeple]

Um what?

[formal scaffold]

what's the meaning of believe to you?

[thorny steeple]

in my common sense communism was correct

[thorny steeple]

bruh- ive been here for the last hour ill go now

cyall

[formal scaffold]

aight take care

[thorny steeple]

science is objective by the way, i think i learnt the definition of science when i was like 10 years old

🤭

'wisdom keeps chasing you yet you keep outrunning it'

[thorny steeple]

WOAH WOAH WOAH KEEP UR SUBJECTIVE ADVICE TO URSELF ☠️

[thorny steeple]

stupidity in real life:

[formal scaffold]

aight

[formal scaffold]

when lack of arguments becomes a person

[thorny steeple]

No lmao science is theory and conjecture
every century new theories come out and previous ones are disproven

[thorny steeple]

WHAT?

[thorny steeple]

That was satire buddy

ARE YOU OKAY

“science is a theory” 💀

you have like 12 years old at most or you haven’t gone to school

Science is objective? Okay prove me why lights have dual nature

okay

[thorny steeple]

PHYSICS?????

[formal scaffold]

when you speak about objective morality and the one who missed class mentions science for some reason T_T

[thorny steeple]

💀

[thorny steeple]

you are stupid

so shut up please

[formal scaffold]

scientifically?

[thorny steeple]

By definition, one cant have 2 opposing characteristics at the same time
Thats like saying im going right and left at the same time

[thorny steeple]

yes, scientifically, you are an idiot

Hence DUAL nature

okay, believe in flat earth <33

[thorny steeple]

Thats not very nice
U are ignorant

byeee

[formal scaffold]

who hurt you?

[thorny steeple]

No argument
Resorts to insults and dumb jokes
lol

[formal scaffold]

Ikr xD

[thorny steeple]

science is subjective sorry

sorry sorry science is just a theory

its stupid cmon

science is objective
Sure buddy sure
My 10th std science book tells me there are 3 dimensions
Quantum physics tells me there are around 7

Lol

[formal scaffold]

He said bye but not scientifically

[thorny steeple]

Hehe

we have morality but only because of god, therefore we would kill people

🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭

pov you skipped classes

[formal scaffold]

now that's also stupid

[thorny steeple]

Uhm god tells us not to without a good reason
Soo

[thorny steeple]

THATS WHAT YOUR FRIEND SAID LOL

[formal scaffold]

yep we are firends and I'm ready to discuss that matter in a more civil way instead of insulting her, I can just disagree with her

[thorny steeple]

No thats not what I said
Thats what ur tiny brain comprehended
Not my fault

[formal scaffold]

they should've thought you that in school or at home

[thorny steeple]

He tiny brain 🧠 🤧

[hallow tendon]

"!The final Torah is widely seen as a product of the Persian period (539–333 BCE, probably 450–350 BCE)." It is when these 5 books where finally put together. Christianity omit, excluded Jews from their own heritage... but it is still has its roots. Judaism and derived from it religions has nothing in common with ancient "religions". It is like compare spaceship with a cabbage.'

[thorny steeple]

[formal scaffold]

feel free to finish the topic with me when your brain recovers from all of this typing xD

[thorny steeple]

Maybe if your English wasn’t bad as f, I would understand something, have a nice day

[static pivot]

No insults

[static pivot]

No insults

You heard me!

[thorny steeple]

He started throwing tantrums

[static pivot]

Leave that

[thorny steeple]

Lol fr

[static pivot]

We are stopping now

Being respectful is the chain

Wait key*

[formal scaffold]

let's stop the blame game and have a new healthy start

[thorny steeple]

Too scared to cuss? why
Is it bcos of ur subjective morality?? 😂

[thorny steeple]

Chain?

jujujujujujujujujujuju

[static pivot]

This

Counting starts

[formal scaffold]

she might be afk 👀

start counting when she shows a sign of life

RIp

[static pivot]

[formal scaffold]

a flower in her grave

[exotic scarab]

RIP

[carmine gorge]

💐

[shut iris]

This is serious chat, you are supposed to act mature whenever discussing such topics. Insulting is not good debating etiquette and doesn’t give anyone a good first impression of you

[midnight echo]

hey guys

what's up

[celest ibex]

Good how about you?

[midnight echo]

niceee

[earnest granite]

Hello there, how have you been internally

[thorny steeple]

hi everyone, how are you?

[earnest granite]

Hru

[thorny steeple]

i feel tired but fine.

hbu?

[earnest granite]

Get some sleep

[earnest granite]

Can't complain

[thorny steeple]

i am not sleepy

[earnest granite]

Ok ok just stay happy

[thorny steeple]

okay

[thorny steeple]

you too

[earnest granite]

🫡

To continue the conversation

Where do you reside?

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

i live in instanbul

wbu?

[earnest granite]

I live in pakistan

Istanbul is a nice city

Truly

[thorny steeple]

have you ever gone?

[earnest granite]

No but i have heard about it

And seen on social media

[thorny steeple]

i got it

[earnest granite]

Yeah!

[thorny steeple]

how old are you?

[earnest granite]

Just lived almost 19 years

And you?

[thorny steeple]

16 but i'll turn 17 in 3 months

[earnest granite]

My birthday is in a few days

🌻

[formal scaffold]

zindabad

[earnest granite]

Sunao

[thorny steeple]

oh when is it?

[humble lion]

Happy early birthday buddy, u just got one step closer to death

[earnest granite]

20

[earnest granite]

I know

[humble lion]

😶‍🌫️

[thorny steeple]

oh really close

[earnest granite]

Then why are you congratulating

[thorny steeple]

lol

[thorny steeple]

step by step to escape from this difficult life

[humble lion]

Cz im a man of good manners

[earnest granite]

Ok brother from another country

[humble lion]

True

[earnest granite]

😢

[earnest granite]

[thorny steeple]

But you are congratulated for surviving to this age.

[earnest granite]

Ohh 😮

[thorny steeple]

lots of positive perspectives.

[earnest granite]

Thats why legend says think positive

[thorny steeple]

yes

This is actually one of the secrets to living longer.

[earnest granite]

Yuh

[hallow tendon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwTMf79eMww I don't understand their reaction. And what possibly else they could expect? tolerancers VS zealot... who will win ?

[last geyser]

hi

[wet summit]

Sup

[thorny steeple]

Hello who knows some servers for literature american and british history or languages can add me there plz

[formal scaffold]

Check your Dms

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0Mk7odaRuFg?feature=share

[formal scaffold]

I want one of those

[tulip veldt]

Okay buy one

[thorny steeple]

Sorry what?

[thorny steeple]

Why are the news reporters so pressed? ive seen many protests and this is the most sensible one

Even if the protesters do not know abt the whole israel palestine conflict, they dont need to
It only takes someone to have basic human empathy to see how much israel is in the wrong

The propoganda is crazyy 😵‍💫

"Genocide of the kids being beheaded?"??!!?!?!

BRUH?

ohmygod im gonna explode
Its too early in the morning to explode

"Beheaded kids and women that are raped"....uno this is exactly how americans justified invading Iraq

[crisp pewter]

@lusty dagger NANBANNNNNN

stop ghost pingus me

[lusty dagger]

Whattt?? I was preparing for my seminars

[crisp pewter]

go prepare for itt then

[lusty dagger]

I'm preparing it just taking a little break

[hallow tendon]

Actually USA can start war or military operation in Gaza too, Not just USA, a lot of countries can, because beautiful and peaceful hamas murdered everyone they met. How many Americans were murdered? And It was not an accident. massacre... attack. You don't need beheaded children or propaganda if you were attacked. Strange people you are. The world is not a children garden and UN is not a Mama. If people do something, they must anticipate that tolerance or ignorance will not save them from the inevitable response. If you killed and you are not going to take responsibility... phhh, maybe, it can work in Europe. I'm very sorry for Palestine people, but I'm very sorry for Israel people too. It's a tragedy. But politic doesn't feel. And small people outside conflict can't do anything. hamas attacked - Israel didn't ignore or tolerate. That's the story.

[hallow tendon]

""Hamas hails Russian position on Israel's Gaza offensive""
I've read before that not just iran but russia as well helped hamas. What a nice gang.
hamas doesn't care about their name and reputation at all.

[thorny steeple]

I could talk about this for hours but I don't wanna bother ☠️

[humble lion]

U go wash ur face and think it through clearly without including emmotions buddy.

Sweden takes citizenship back from those who protest against israel, but it's okie to protest against hamas!

[sour marlin]

Racism

[humble lion]

[sour marlin]

I don't know why this much discrimination

[celest trout]

It's both. Iran and russia are in a very strong alliance, russian use iranian drones on the war with Ukreine, and Hamas use Iranian weapons on the war with israel, for years.
During 2006, after israel went out of gaza, it was possible to enter things there without much supervision by the israeli side, but since hamas took over they tried to smuggle in tons of weapons, they even create weapons with water pipes. They don't want to live along side israel but to kill and destroy israel and israelis, and people that support it are fucking evil.

[sour marlin]

Where is freedom of speech?

Why Muslims can't protest?

[celest trout]

There is a difference between protesting for palestine than protesting for hamas

[sour marlin]

Whatever

[formal scaffold]

There's a diffrence between supporting zionist n supporting israel

[ocean jetty]

Hello, I have a question to ask
What does "sale call in person" mean?

[celest trout]

Israel is the blame because we didn't kill ourselves, sure

[formal scaffold]

Nah zionists

[humble lion]

Iran is USA's puppy bro what u saying he be always causing unstability in the middle east by obeying USA

[formal scaffold]

Imagine being a colonialist in 2023

[ocean jetty]

Does it means visual call, seeing saleman in person or just a phone call in person?

[celest trout]

They want us dead, we went out from gaza back in 2005, thinking they would handle themselves and improve their lifes, back than the rockets were to Sderot, now the rockets are to Tel aviv

[formal scaffold]

Cool buddy go kill babies n i shall applaud for that

[celest trout]

They attacked us unprovoked, killed 1300 citizens, including kids, elders, families, captured 130 people, said that womens are their "war brides" to rape

[formal scaffold]

Its called retaliation

[celest trout]

We fucking did anything

[formal scaffold]

Stop colonialising and you'll stop dying

[celest trout]

Yes, what you see now in gaza is retaliation

We offered a peace deal based on the two state solution agreement multiple times during history, proposing them anything they ask for while they talk with the UN, and they refused

We are not going anywhere, come to reality

[formal scaffold]

You were throwing roses in the street

[humble lion]

U took their land brother, now u leave them some and expect peace?

USA should have given u some land back then instead of throwing u in the heart of muslims

[celest trout]

Learn history, this is not what happened in this region

[formal scaffold]

Its about the holy land or else evrybody was welcoming them

[humble lion]

Ye ye i need to learn history right!!

[celest trout]

Yes because what you wrote is factually wrong

And I don't even talk about what is just, the palestinians need to come to reality, and the reality is that israel is not going away

[formal scaffold]

Learn how u could pull that trick after british colinialisation, better yet ask yr scholars who admits n still reads in turah the reason god kicked u out of the holy lands

[humble lion]

Anyways, we all know what is happening out there m8 this topic holds nothing to be discussed

Arabians are proud people and courageous they won't sit in peace after being invaded

Good luck conquering them

[formal scaffold]

Not all of them

[celest trout]

We don't want to conquer you, and don't need the shithole called gaza

Hamas will be destroyed

[humble lion]

Compared to them m8 and the west

[formal scaffold]

No wonder u don't want to .... U went from 56% that was agreed on balfor to almost 90% xd

Bruh speaking about history but he don't read it. It seems

[celest trout]

Learn history, Balfor promised us the areas of the british mandate which were also jordan lol

You talk about the UN plan of 1947, that the arabs refused and started attacking us while we accepted it

[formal scaffold]

Why are u taking more than that? Then u denied it earlier

[celest trout]

Imagine starting a war, losing it and crying that you got a better fate than the fate you'd give us

[formal scaffold]

????

Bruh said we don't wanna conquere but we want to conquer u

Solve yr inner contradiction i'll be waiting here

[celest trout]

Learn some history when you say that balfor promised us 40% of the land hahaha

[humble lion]

Futile convo, we should be fighting instead

[formal scaffold]

Why r u taking more xd

U said u dôn't wanna conquer?

[celest trout]

this was the balfor declaration idiot

because back than this was the british mandate

[formal scaffold]

Xd

Bruh

[ornate siren]

*Balfour

[celest trout]

i

you talk about this plan

[humble lion]

U go live in undergrounds m8, hamas is coming with kitchen knife and u won't do nothing

[celest trout]

that you refused and we accepted

[celest trout]

You should be ashamed that you support hamas after everything that happened

honestly

[humble lion]

Ahahaha

Right

Cry over it we support who is right

Country doesnt wanna live beside u leave them go to USA side

[celest trout]

Where you from?

[celest trout]

What happened here is far from being right and if this is justice in your opinion than I have nothing to say to you

Your hatered is stronger than anything

[humble lion]

Hate who?

I dont hate anyone

I hate actions

[celest trout]

You hate israelis and support their murder and rape

[humble lion]

Ur actions and how the whole world back u up for what u do

[celest trout]

We defend ourselves

[humble lion]

Ye ye true

[celest trout]

The discussion is over

[formal scaffold]

Saw a kid throwing pebbles at a tank to defend myself i shot him to death

[ornate siren]

I was out there in the park walking and wondering why a frisbee was getting bigger and bigger in front of me. Then it hit me.

[formal scaffold]

U should kill whoever threw that boi

[humble lion]

[whole beacon]

Retaliation baaabyyy

[whole beacon]

U c my friend, this is war and truth is the first casualty of war. The main question here is israel a colonial power or not.
Atrocities are committed by both sides leaving u lot squarelling over politics and who's the oppressor and the oppressed.

[feral river]

My opinion is no matter they started war or which side is colonial power, It's pointless if you justify them as a terroist or colonializer, it's just an excuse

The only important thing is which side is much powerful, and what is the opinion of those superpowers, like USA

actually USA supports Israel.

and Israel actually powerful, Hamas is just like a group whose controlled some territories in gaza strip and west bank

[whole beacon]

According to history , israel is indeed occupying Palestine, ( balfour promise 1917)
And its being backed by superpowers as the US to establish a foot holde in the middle east.
War breakout now and than ppl will die and all we can do i watch. Sadlly but it won't hurt to know more of the case.

[feral river]

that's true

[whole beacon]

With proper funding they can grow ! No one knows the outcome of this

[formal scaffold]

read bruh

[feral river]

I still think that there is no military group stands a chance to go against a modern military power.

it's unlike ISIS in Syria and Iraq, Israel is powerful

[whole beacon]

Yeah i know ! But we have seen a fair share of smaller nations defeating global powers accros ages. Its a possible thing

[feral river]

I guess, like war in afg

[formal scaffold]

Nobody will feel for the colonialised until they got a taste of their own medecin

[feral river]

but I don't think that would happen in israel, israel is actually annexing palestinian territory, not just occupy.

[formal scaffold]

they are working for de-developement and assimilation

[whole beacon]

Yep, ( ancient persia , rome vs the rashidun caliphate )
Algeria vs france
Vietnam vs Usa
India vs Britan
Greece vs persia
And many many to count

[feral river]

No, Israel-Palestine War is like empire expanding, not like war in vietnam to overthrow their gov, or force them to make concession.

like China annexed Tibet, Japan annexed Korea etc.

[formal scaffold]

that's why I Like MalcomX, in a time where black poeple were considred less than white, while MLK called for peace, Malcom was calling for violence in self defence and not giving the other cheeks while your rights as a human are being taken away from you with brutal force

[whole beacon]

That was just a front i guess , serving as a vessel state would have been the outcome of Vietnam loosing the war.

[feral river]

they will treat their locals as their citizen after expanded, that's the difference

[formal scaffold]

3rd - 2nd degree citizens xD

pay double tax with half the rights

[feral river]

China is back, if you do advance like you did it in korea, China will help vietnam.

[whole beacon]

Ther would be some policies to eradicate the regime, the locals would suffer ofc

[feral river]

mostly yes, but based on their religion/opinion etc.

[formal scaffold]

Get me out of this planet

[whole beacon]

We don't know yet, war is expensive these days !

[whole beacon]

Empty spot in Neptune !
Ticket booked
Rocket launches tmrow at 6 am

[formal scaffold]

it's an expensive investment, most wars are for profit, power, favors

[formal scaffold]

let's go bruv

[whole beacon]

U go !
I enjoy earth.

[formal scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/matthew-mc-conaughey-crying-sad-gif-12671400

[whole beacon]

So accurate

[feral river]

if they do that, it's colonization, not expanding

but as I know Israel offers palestinians as their own citizen

the major difference between colonized and expand is the conflict and treatment after occupation.

unless they executed the forced assimilation, massacres, genocides, and send their own citizen to strengthen their influence in occupied region.

that also works, but not for modern days

[whole beacon]

U do not know that!
I recommend u not to be prejudiced.
Unless u live there.

[feral river]

if you know some details, I'd like to hear and update my opinion 🙂

but Israel is powerful, much powerful than Hamas, that's fact.

I think if they want, they can just simply kill those palestinians.

[whole beacon]

I heard 1st hand opinions from a close Palestinian friend here , still i need more than just that.
Israel is backed by the mighty US military ofcr its powerful.

[feral river]

tell him take care

[whole beacon]

Its not that easy ,i guess not good for public opinion.

[feral river]

they have ability to do that, but that would be hell to pay

[whole beacon]

Oh will do , thanks 4 ur concernes mate

[feral river]

are you from australia ?

[whole beacon]

I wish i were an aussii , ther accent dammn so gd.
Im Algerian

[feral river]

cool friend, I'm from the PRC

China mainland

[whole beacon]

My entire belongings were made in china lol.
Great country

[feral river]

yeah I guess... because our cheap labors...

fr I like everything in my country besides politics and employment environment

[whole beacon]

At least u have somthin to like.

[feral river]

I guess so, I appreciate that I live in a safe country, no wars

and about palestine and ukraine, whether they will surrender or win, take care.

[craggy sphinx]

kuper noooooo

[civic reef]

i like everything about China except for those two you mentioned and education system

[feral river]

I was so lucky about the education thing I didn't attend that stupid gaokao exam and I got my dream university and studying for a bachelor's degree.

and yes, education system is insane in China.

[civic reef]

i personally love chinese characters, in my peak i was able to handwrite approximately a thousand by heart, although my knowledge came from japanese, not mandarin, that time, unfortunately i forgot most of them and now i can recognize only some parts or random things

[feral river]

that's cool, Japanese is easy to understand for chinese, we know all the kanji characters and their meaning is actually almost same as chinese language

[civic reef]

yeah japanese likes to combine both those simplified hanzi and also traditional variations, i think

[feral river]

and their kana, also easy to pronounce and write.

actually I didn't study japanese traditionally and just watch their anime, I can spell all the kanas and understand their usually talks.

[civic reef]

well i wonder if china is safe

i mean it technically is, right, but at the same time the level of trust i have for that government is below zero

also at the same time chinese receive a lot of hate sometimes, like, people, not the government, which is sometimes really unfair because i personally knew one person from there and we knew each other well, and not everyone is a radical propagandist who hates white people, as some media portray some people

[civic reef]

when it comes to this one, ukraine can not lose, simply can not, because it would lead to terrifying ramifications for european countries, especially Poland where I am from, and russian government, which works almost the same as a mafia, having additional territories around european borders stolen from ukraine, would be even more dangerous and threatening for everyone, they do not have morals or any sanity

[feral river]

It's safe if you didn't do anything to against the main values of the CCP and government.

It's freaking safe

survelliance is everywhere no chance to crime.

[hallow tendon]

I think it is very bold to take about safety in authoritarian countries. Today guys in charge are friendly, tomorrow they start wars.

[feral river]

In my city, there is no crime record this month.

[civic reef]

are you from changsha by any chances, just my guess

[feral river]

In government record, In our people's record

if they scamed, spread fake news, we will know because we live here

so they won't do that, at least in Han China mainland

idk if they do in other place like Xinjiang or Tibet

I know they built concentration camp in Xinjiang, and our gover commited they did that

they commited

they may not just saying but they won't spread fake news

It's bad for their governance.

or just making another excuse, like corruption or western influence etc.

[civic reef]

why wouldn't they? for example the protests which happened after the covid policies, they tried to surpress those people

[feral river]

yeah they committed to suppress those people and they do it in law

because you can't do anything against them

even you are a foreigner

they used to making excuse, like western influence, anti-CCP groups and separatists.

but nothing could cover the facts

we all know facts in here but we just can't say it in public

or you will got muted, banned in internet

[hallow tendon]

if media talks about something like this "In my city, there is no crime record this month." even If it is the truth, it is 100% manipulation, because news is about something new and wrong, bad. Only good news is something very astonish or funny or strange.
Or "In my city, there is no crime record this month" is something very odd?

[feral river]

No just a fact

they are talking something good, and that's the fact

they may not to say something bad but they are not spreading fake news

that's all enough

[hallow tendon]

I see. Just news is factual thing it is true, but it doesn't make sense if it can't raise a problem... until it is... you know

[feral river]

you can't.

but if you are a member of CCP, then you can do it

that's called internal party democracy.

[civic reef]

are you using a VPN right now? like, i realized you cant just hop on internet right, youve got the chinese gov firewall

[feral river]

my dad is a member of CCP, and he can publish some articles about government problems, corruptions in somewhere, or bad policies

yes im using it

they won't care you using vpn or something I already use VPN about 5 years

[hallow tendon]

Sorry to hear that.. (( VPN is a slow thing

[civic reef]

well china is a place to which am even scared to pay a visit, even though i would like to

[feral river]

I can promise that you can feel free to visit!

China is 100% safe, safe than america

I ever been singapore or japan, they are all good as China does.

[civic reef]

thats likely but i kinda fear the feds, not chinese people, at this point lol

[feral river]

well, most chinese people are friendly

[civic reef]

feds as in "any people who work for the government"

[feral river]

that's north korea

It's hard to join CCP, I can't even join it, only 2% of people who passed exam and after 2-5 years working are eligible to join

most cases

and you have to pay party fees, analysis your work, writing reports to party

also you will got some benefits due to you are a party member

like tax cuts, promoting in your companies or other benefits

It's important for your future life in china

[civic reef]

yeah i know one person living in hunan, and just, there is a lot of trust issues between me and anyone who has ever been permitted to work for that government, like i would like to go and see stuff and maybe even live a while, but it is quite spooky to know the gov doesnt even allow you to access the web without mass censorship

[feral river]

I didn't attend any censorship to access web

just pay for your ISP companies

or just using free wifis in restaurant

[civic reef]

well i think it would be amazing if you all could just maybe not worry about VPNs and simply use the web the exact same way europeans do, being also able to criticize the gov however you want

[feral river]

VPN is not that popular but it's easy to got in China

and mostly they cost $10 for 6 month

and you are able to access anything you want, even watch 4K videos in youtube (depends your VPN providers)

at least I can do that

[civic reef]

yes i know how this works, its just, yeah ykwim, you should have a normal country and not have all those restrictions

[hallow tendon]

youtube is blocked in China????????

[civic reef]

chinese people would not escape to the west if they were allowed to just, live like a lot of other people, in fully democratic way

select the president and all party members, decide what they do, etc, be able to publically say the president should be kill#d, freedom of expression is essential

[feral river]

not only youtube… like twitter, facebook, whatsapp…. and more

[feral river]

well we all knows that government is good for us. and they are doing that with their special way

of course, including war

and annex other states

[hallow tendon]

If the government is good, there is no point to control every single word.

[feral river]

we don’t promote peace and prosperity for other country, but for us

[feral river]

that’s way too deep, they are not controlling everywhere

As I said, don’t attend politics, you are free as american does

that’s limited speech, not no speech

big difference

sounds kinda selfish, but that’s what they do

[civic reef]

okay i see, your perspective is very different to what am used to id say, but um, id like to have a question not really about this one, more like, random, how do you view vietnamese and vietnam? do you feel like they maybe should not be independent?

[feral river]

they are not spreading information about vietnam in our country, but they are pro-americans

actually if you don’t ask, I don’t even care about vietnam, because there is no information about them

[civic reef]

i see, i asked cuz just, wanted to see if maybe the gov would like to... assert some dominance even there, if they want to attack Taiwan

[feral river]

well, they won’t. at least vietnam

and they won’t attack taiwan in this 10 years

attack taiwan is a stupid action

if their military power surpassed US, they may do it

not only for taiwan, their goal is pacific

and our government is promoting US-China relationship so they won’t do that

you can see what did they say in twitter

the spokesman of china

[craggy sphinx]

I'm serious

[hallow tendon]

Hope so, Because it will be a nuclear war.

[feral river]

it won’t be, because US don’t care Taiwan, and we care US, not Taiwan

if our military power surpassed Us

It’s the time for unification

and I believe they won’t start a war to bring taiwan back

if they do I’m gonna escape this place

[hallow tendon]

Sorry. I'm not military expert but what the point to discuss not convectional weapons or armies if we a re talking about the countries with nukes? I has no sense.