🧠｜serious-chat

[lavish finch]

Good they complement each other.

[formal scaffold]

should I start from there?

[lavish finch]

You can.

[formal scaffold]

do you think there's a resemblance between those three relegions?

[lavish finch]

Of course there is

they are all Abrahamic

They are all monotheistic

[formal scaffold]

all of three above kept some old practices also like marriage for instance

All three of'em believes in a common evil that they call "Satan", if you don't believe in god does also mean that you won't believe in an opposite evil force?

[lavish finch]

That may be. But the idea of Satan predates the Abrahamic religions.

[formal scaffold]

idk about other religions but most muslim think that they follow and believe all prophets since Adam's birth and speaking of the first human ever I can't help but to mention the question that I love the most, an incident is mentioned in quran about when god said that's he'll make a new guardians for earth, and both angels and satan (fallen one) were against it by assuming that humans will be the same as their predecessors (they'll ruin life on earth) and god says "I know what you don't know" I wanna know what's that, my speculation that it's maybe something in humans that makes us better that those who were before us yet I fail to see it

[formal scaffold]

my mind is all over the place I'm just thinking out loud

[brave magnet]

Really deep discussions going on here huh

[brave magnet]

How do you consider yourself a beginner at English this seems quite advanced

[formal scaffold]

maybe I'm wrong about my own judgement

[brave magnet]

I'm fluent and would struggle to write something as complex as that bro you're really good

[thorny steeple]

It could be the mind, heart and ability to have a balance between both?
But how does that relate to justice? Do you think religions are a way to provide justice?

[formal scaffold]

well I mentioned Solomon and David (pbuh) incident on justice then I shifted there bc I was thinking out loud -_- mb mb

I should learn how to keep my mind in the right track

[thorny steeple]

Jury, I guess.

[formal scaffold]

yeah

[thorny steeple]

It's all good, I often struggle with streamlining my thoughts too 😅

[formal scaffold]

I need time for that I'm used to having wild convos with friends while we just have barbaric interactions

[jade rain]

Hi guys.

Nice to meet you.

I am new member.

[stiff dew]

helo

[static pivot]

Hello there

[static pivot]

Welcome

[jade rain]

Thanks.

What can i do here?

[thorny steeple]

You can write with me for a while

[formal scaffold]

good Idea can I join?

[thorny steeple]

Yes you can

[formal scaffold]

my pleasure ^^

[thorny steeple]

But be aware I am beginner in english

[formal scaffold]

same

[thorny steeple]

And can be little slow in answering you

[formal scaffold]

I find no issue in that :^)

you got any fav topic to speak about? or should I suggest one?

[thorny steeple]

You can pick some

And nice to meet you

[formal scaffold]

likewise

[formal scaffold]

what do you think of people who have this leadership kind of mentality?

[thorny steeple]

If they really exhibit these features they should frankly care about other people

Someone like this is strong character person

And he is getting big responsibility for those whom he leadershipping

[formal scaffold]

I couldn't have said it better I agree

[thorny steeple]

I had a chance to know it in practice

[formal scaffold]

what practice?

[thorny steeple]

I will try to explain it to you

I am believers

I beliefe in Jesus

And he taught who is the strongest between some community, he is also the servant of other people

When I was in church

I had ocassions to be in some difficult situations

[formal scaffold]

tough times forges tough people

[thorny steeple]

And if something bad begins to happen then not many people stay

[thorny steeple]

I agree

[formal scaffold]

I'll send you message in priviate

[thorny steeple]

But the truth about ourselves is difficult

[formal scaffold]

what do you mean stay? like in chruch or faith?

[thorny steeple]

I mean " they Withstand supporting you

It is not about only church

But how we as a people are

[formal scaffold]

I got you

you mean those who play the leader role runs away when hardship shows up, so they are basically in there to satisfy the fame

[thorny steeple]

It can by also the reason for

Many of us think about oneself we are stronger than we are in real. But when the tests come frome life then the truth is hard to swallow

[formal scaffold]

you took it the words out of my mouth lol

[thorny steeple]

https://youtube.com/shorts/CpG8qxy94wM?si=EGPcIi4QhHmwkE-F

Hey

I know this guy above

Who

On the top

[formal scaffold]

Algeria's Ottoman governor ran away In 1830 after the french invasion leaving the country in a state of panic and bc of that the small fights that took place weren't organized enough to free the country

[thorny steeple]

But the tests can be good

And for wise people they are helpfull

I am the person who knew the truth abou myself

What are you talking about?

Tell me what is the truth?

I know what is the tuth, but i wanna know what do you think about the truth

What is the truth for you

And why

[formal scaffold]

agree but you also need external info about yourself

[formal scaffold]

the truth is something you can easily grasp and agree with, without difficulty

[thorny steeple]

When you learning about your own weaknes and you don't cheat yourself.

[thorny steeple]

I agree

[thorny steeple]

Not for everybody

[thorny steeple]

Me too

Think the same

I am a person who need someone by my site

I think the same think puting insight under my hearth

And i find sin

Yisus is the truth

The light, the way, the truth and life

[thorny steeple]

But back to the beginning of our conversation

[formal scaffold]

what I meant that everybody got his own truth, if it's not true then he'll struggle accepting it

[thorny steeple]

I am without the Features of leadership

And have many weakness

But

It is the beginning for change

[formal scaffold]

to both know and acknowledge your shorcomings 🙂

[thorny steeple]

If you are for real know the truth and adopting it. Then you live in the truth

[thorny steeple]

You too 🔥🔥

Here was a conversation about Rightousness and judgement

I have seen it above

When I scrolled up

You know what is the really interesting between these three religious ?

The person of Jesus Christ as the messiah

[formal scaffold]

He is

[formal scaffold]

"I create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with God’s permission." (Quran 3:49)
"I also heal the blind and the leper." (Quran 3:49)
"He shall speak to people while still in the cradle, and in manhood, and he shall be from the righteous." (Quran 3:46)
"When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary! Is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven? He said: Observe your duty to God, if ye are true believers. (Quran 5:112-114)
"…and I bring to life the dead, by the permission of God." (Quran 3:49)
"I inform you too of what things you eat, and what you store up in your houses. Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers." (Quran 3:49)

[thorny steeple]

Are you a muslim ?

[formal scaffold]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

I haven't rode the quran

But I know some about

[formal scaffold]

same

[thorny steeple]

I am a christian

But I am not a catholic

[simple solstice]

Hi

I’m dead serious

[formal scaffold]

are you orthodox?

[thorny steeple]

In some ways

To be ortodox what does that mean¡}

all religous are ortodox by their comandments

but yet only there is a true comandment

[thorny steeple]

Better word to me for discribe is conservative

and as we know , God puted his law in our hearth , we know what is sin and what is not sin

[formal scaffold]

the more you retain from the original belief the closer you are to the truth

[thorny steeple]

I can tell you how I became a christian

[formal scaffold]

I'd like to hear about it

[thorny steeple]

me too

[thorny steeple]

krystian became a christian

magnific

In short, I was running really bad life

And one day

Someone had told me abou Gospel

And I started reading

About Jesus

What he done

But there was somethig different in that

That guy who spoke to me about God

He told me about Rightousness of Gos

About sins

And the most powerfull truth. God doesn't want me to act in this way

I had learned about his salvation

Because God is not friend who you can talk and think, may by after if I die God will pat me on the back and turns a blind eye om

And I know it in my heart the price was paid for my sins

Rightousness and Gods in one place

On the Cross

If we read the old testment we could find amounts of verss that talk about the cross

hundreds years before christ cames

Yes

since a few days i was reading jeremaia and esequiel , if you read it completly and slowly what there it wants to say you get amazing about Christ

[thorn thicket]

im locking for a person who wants to learn spanish , i can teach you if you teach me english

[thorny steeple]

because everything cover sense after that

[thorny steeple]

i speak spanish

i can give you some advices

[thorny steeple]

As a muslim. What do you think about Jesus

What do you think and how you look at this?

[thorn thicket]

sure

[formal scaffold]

certeinly we don't say he's divine

[thorn thicket]

can you go dm?

[thorny steeple]

I think you hearth i quite honest

One day you may belive him

But most people who is not jewish don't care about Yisus nor old testament (torah) , because they have to leave their own culture

This hapennt to me

[formal scaffold]

thanks

[formal scaffold]

We think that he's out of the 5 prohpets that are called "determined ones"

[thorny steeple]

And at the beginning i didn't want to keep following yisus

Becuase i am arabe

And they are all jewish

[formal scaffold]

not all arabes are muslim tho

[thorny steeple]

And my culture and relogion would be muslim

[lavish finch]

Hello

I see the topic today is religion

[formal scaffold]

Yes

No matter what different perspective we have about Jesus he's of a holy nature for sure

the Mass won't follow a man if he lacks power, wealth or wisdom

[thorny steeple]

I think many people don't want that salvation comes from the Jewish

And me too

But the only who died in cross was yisus christ decendet from David by the profecy would be birth

Completed*

That he will die for sins people who would belive in his work would be forgiven by father

How father could forgive you if you are a sinner

[lavish finch]

...

[thorny steeple]

Our all works are like dirty works

[thorny steeple]

He is truly alive. Do you know how I know it? Because someone dead could't change me as much as it had happen. And many things happen in my life by prayers to God in Jesus name and many thing is still changing in my mind, my heart, my soul, and my spirit. I just know it

[formal scaffold]

I also think he is alive

[lavish finch]

...

[thorny steeple]

Wow

[lavish finch]

I'm looking for a way to join this conversation.

[thorny steeple]

That's something incredible you think in this way.

[thorny steeple]

😂

[lavish finch]

Is that funny? I'm serious. I'm dead serious.

[thorny steeple]

Dead?

Come for life

[formal scaffold]

dead serious = very serious

[lavish finch]

The phrase dead serious is an idiomatic expression that means one is absolutely serious and is not joking.

I heard that learning about jesus had a very big impact on you, Krystian.

And is still having a big impact on you. Changing your mind, heart and spirit.

And for you, Skuggi, that he is still alive.

[formal scaffold]

yes

[lavish finch]

In you

the teaching of Jesus is alive in you?

[thorny steeple]

That change which came to me because of I putted my trust in Jesus is impossible to explain

[lavish finch]

impossible to explain

but I guess you feel it

strongly

[formal scaffold]

there's a belief in ISLAM that says that Jesus (pbuh) was lifted to god's place and that he'll come back in the day of judgment

[lavish finch]

I guess that's your belief

[formal scaffold]

so I'd say I don't feel him in any way

[thorny steeple]

In human terms such changes are not possible in that short time

[lavish finch]

It's not possible to feel god?

I think you know I'd like to argue with you very much.

[formal scaffold]

I only feel the sign of his power and wisdome through the universe, the nature, creatures around us, but I wouldn't say I can feel god

[lavish finch]

You don't say about what?

[lavish finch]

You feel the indirect influence. But not a direct connection?

[formal scaffold]

yes couldn't say it better

[lavish finch]

I'm guessing that's the purpose of religious practice? To get a feeling of direct connection to god?

[thorny steeple]

But without Jesus you can't come to God

[formal scaffold]

the only connection I did with god was: pleads, wishes, glorifying him while accepting how small I am compared to the universe, to him

[formal scaffold]

if you were to believe in a god how should he be?

[lavish finch]

How should god be?

There are different ways that people have imagined god.

I'd like god to be compassionate.

Not vengeful.

I'd also like him to create a more perfect universe.

I have some complaints about this one.

[oblique canyon]

Can compassion alone in itself be enough to run this world though?

[lavish finch]

I'd also like a universe where I have more hair.

[formal scaffold]

I feel u 🥲

[oblique canyon]

For me God has to be Just and I personally prefer the idea of monotheistic over polytheism

[lavish finch]

justice

fairness

Maria, would you like to say what justice means to you?

[formal scaffold]

heard that the scale is made a bit unbalanced for a reason :p

[lavish finch]

I'd like to present some ideas about justice from Bertrand Russell.

[formal scaffold]

I also sometime hear of equity but Idk what does it mean

[oblique canyon]

Fairness and equal treatment , but not just equal treatment but also equity.

[oblique canyon]

It's interesting how global perspective and moral scepticism is a part of ideas in justice

[oblique canyon]

Hey I was looking for the same picture 😅

[full river]

this image helped me to understand what it means

I enjoyed reading the conversation

there is a lot to think about

[lavish finch]

This sounds like the slogan of socialism by Marx; "From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."

[full river]

yes. I think it is what is meant when talking about equity between genders for instance

[oblique canyon]

Is justice a hoax? We see examples of it all around us.
Global peace, freedom, inequality

[lavish finch]

A hoax?

[formal scaffold]

you didn't finish with your description of the god you accept? did you? just curious maybe you can finish it another time if you can't now

[lavish finch]

There is a lot of injustice.

[full river]

In my imagination God is the most merciful. Or it is the way I want to see God

[lavish finch]

You'd like me to continue talking about what I want in the universe?

[formal scaffold]

I don't think god can't be limited to anybody's imagination, he's too great to be percieved that's why I believe we only can grasp the signes of his existance not him (perfect in every aspect)

[oblique canyon]

In a way it is a tool to control people. You dangle the hope of it in front of them and continue to rule them.

[formal scaffold]

If that's why you see fit

[lavish finch]

There is deception in the world, for sure.

Things are not as they seem, or as they are advertised to be quite often.

It requires constant vigilance and critical thinking to separate out truth from fiction.

[oblique canyon]

Do you experience it in your life? The mercy of God?

[full river]

I want to believe in this description. God being perfect and our imagination and capacity to understand him being just limited

[lavish finch]

The human mind is certainly limited. There are limits to what we can do, think, know.

[full river]

I choose to believe in afterlife, Otherwise quite difficult for me to believe in God's justice and mercy

[formal scaffold]

that's why you love surfing the boundaries to stretch that limit I assume

[oblique canyon]

God may be perfect, but he uses humans like us to carry on with justice and stuff and we as humans are pretty flawed. Even if God is Just and merciful the representatives aren't.

[formal scaffold]

reflections can never be as clear as the true sight of things

[oblique canyon]

Which brings us back to what @formal scaffold mentioned about the story of Adam. Regarding, what he saw in humans that was above all other beings.

[full river]

I believe in afterlife also because I want this life to have some meaning

[oblique canyon]

What about people who don't believe in the afterlife. Do they not have a meaning or purpose in this life?

[formal scaffold]

I think they do

[full river]

We create some meaning for ourselves but we're not alone on the Earth. What is the meaning of coming into existence and suffering and starving and dying in wars. It doesnt make any sense

[lavish finch]

That's just too bad for us.

If it doesn't make sense.

[formal scaffold]

there are serval ones I can think of, aquire wisdome, pass it on, make a family to extend humanity, influence the world in a good way, limit the harms in the world, improve the best you can, search for god and try to get his mercy through trying to do all of the above

[full river]

Imagining being born in some poor country, being still a little kid, starving to death. Difficult to think about acquiring wisdom when all I need is some water and food

[oblique canyon]

Is this the reason, global perspective is in the theory presented by Bertrand Russell?

[lavish finch]

"Is man what he seems to the astronomer, a tiny lump of impure carbon and water impotently crawling on a small and unimportant planet?"

[oblique canyon]

Which also makes me wonder, where is mercy and justice of God when all these kids are suffering?

[lavish finch]

"Philosophy, as I shall understand the word, is something intermediate between theology and science. Like theology, it consists of speculations on matters as to which definite knowledge has, so far, been unascertainable; but like science, it appeals to human reason rather than to authority, whether that of tradition or that of revelation. All definite knowledge--so I should contend-- belongs to science; all dogma as to what surpasses definite knowledge belongs to theology. But between theology and science there is a No Man's Land, exposed to attack from both sides; this No Man's Land is philosophy. Almost all the questions of most interest to speculative minds are such as science cannot answer, and the confident answers of theologians no longer seem so convincing as they did in former centuries."

[full river]

Well, that's why I want to believe in afterlife. To believe it is not all. That there is more to this world.

[formal scaffold]

as a person who's interested in theology myself there are some question I can't ask myself

[oblique canyon]

Like what?

[full river]

Ask or answer?

[formal scaffold]

ask

[full river]

there are some questions I'm asking myself but hesitating about its impacts

[oblique canyon]

I would love to hear about them, if you may

[full river]

Mostly about my faith

[oblique canyon]

@formal scaffold is this your real name? How is it pronounced?

[full river]

God, religion and so forth

[oblique canyon]

You already believe in God, how would it impact your faith or your life?

[formal scaffold]

questions that can harm us
questions with bad intentions
i forgot the others 😦

[lavish finch]

There are a number of different kinds of questions that I distinguish.

[oblique canyon]

What sort of questions can harm us? To me, asking questions is the key to learning new things and perspectives.

[full river]

How about questioning our own beliefs? belief in God or religion if we're following one

[formal scaffold]

I remember there was a question about a married couple and the question in itself could kinda provoke a fight between the two, so the "theologist" refused to answer and he mentioned the type of questions that we shouldn't be asking as believers

[full river]

the questions that we shouldnt be asking

[formal scaffold]

I did that, and I think it's really healthy as Abraham did (pbuh)

[lavish finch]

Questions in the red row have a lot of "noise".

[oblique canyon]

What can be an example of a righteous question?

[lavish finch]

"Do you really think I'm just going to do all the work while you..."

Believing we are right.

Factually or morally.

And the other person is wrong.

[oblique canyon]

But sometimes we are right, being wronged by others.

[lavish finch]

Yes. Then why are we asking a question?

Is it a way to hide a statement of our own beliefs?

Or are we really curious?

[oblique canyon]

The example you shared. It shows more of frustration than a question

Hmm that's a mind read. We can't know for sure.

[lavish finch]

The point is asking a question when we are not curious.

[oblique canyon]

Unless we ask.

Ohh okay okay. I get it mow

Now*

[full river]

There are also leading questions. Still difficult for me to understand why they are considered as noise

[oblique canyon]

What about the leading question? To me, It appears to be inquisitive in nature. Like I was asking questions from nargiz were they all leading question?

[oblique canyon]

Same

[lavish finch]

A leading question implies that we know the end of our investigation before we get there. It puts the cart before the horse. It means that the investigation has an ulterior motive.

[full river]

I mean, if it is a dialogue, natural that one parties will ask questions to each other

[oblique canyon]

So it's like intentionally putting words in people's mouths?

[lavish finch]

"In each pair, the leading question is designed to steer the respondent towards a particular answer, whereas the neutral alternative allows for a more open, unbiased response. It encourages the respondent to share their true opinion without feeling pressured to agree with the interviewer's implied stance."

[oblique canyon]

And that is why it's mostly noise because nothing meaningful is happening in the discussion

[full river]

Clear now. What I meant by questions in dialogues are the questions in the yellow row, broad and narrow questions, used to get information. Different from what is explained about leading question

[oblique canyon]

So which category does your question lie regarding God, faith and religion?

[lavish finch]

(thanks for the interesting conversations everyone. time for me to go for today.)

[full river]

Oh some of them are righteous, some broad

[full river]

Thanks for the conversation 👋

[oblique canyon]

If I am getting it right, we should be asking questions with an open mind (to avoid lying in the first two categories) but when it comes to philosophical discussions like God, Gender, Justice etc we usually have a notion we already believe in. So how does it add up?

[oblique canyon]

Are you also afraid of thinking about the broad questions?

Yeah, it was a really nice conversation. I learned a lot today 😄

[thorny steeple]

You should read the new testmemt but the christian bible i hope you do it , you will take a surpise

[full river]

I am hesitant about asking the questions that we shouldnt be asking. But I still do. I dont think it is possible to prevent oneself from thinking.

[oblique canyon]

(leaving)

[full river]

Agreed

Leaving too. Bye everyone

[formal scaffold]

which one? I mean who's the author?

[thorny steeple]

You reffer about what religion especificly ?

[thorny steeple]

The letters to the roman church

From paul

[formal scaffold]

islam, I mean I heard from serval christians that the chruch sometimes doesn't allow some questions

[thorny steeple]

I have an answer in fact about it

The churches never sustent the scriptures , the scrpitures sustent the churches

Because people may speak about the scriptues nevertheless not always they want to talk in name of whatever scripture truly with honesty

Therefore by understand diferent religions only by ourself we can divide the truth from the lie

I have doing that since i begin looking for God

And i took many surprises between , islam,judaism,hinduism,budism,and others african religions.

All relgions have a goal at the end .

What goal take you to the truth

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/5_fjprxploZZPMEwO2ylJTn9cXVKX-BBDP7QZ2r2mm-4NSga18S6RMfOSv2JKfiVHg3aodLPGyVpM2E=s640-nd-v1

[thorny steeple]

Well, first , everything is made by laws , even the universe is made and rightened by laws , an example you can think about is the law of the order , all things have a law , our body follow a law in such a way we may be formed in one body

So in such a way we may think that the nature law exist

And we also have an own law

I mean the human being

What law we have

Well, i think the system of our budy haven't law to live on and die in vane after doing that

So if we understand why all things die in the life , we can expect that it's because a accion from us that repercuted in a reaccion completly destroyer

And recover a meaning about SIN,COMANDMENTS, LAWS , DEAD, SUFFERING in the earth

Because of human being didn't follow the law that God had puted in us

What God said to the human if they sin against God?

Truly i tell you if you est that fruit , you will die .

Not only human but all the universe would be down the authority of darkness and DEATH

I Heard over there that univers is dieing

And have only a millons of years to die

Think about it guys

Just think about what i said and later i will teach you about Yisus

And why he should be the son of God and Ethernal being , and Divine

[scarlet tartan]

3 = 1 and 1 = 3

[thorny steeple]

You want to drown the truth, but you wont be able to

@scarlet tartan

[scarlet tartan]

I cant live in a world where 3 = 1 and 1 = 3

[thorny steeple]

If you don't want to know the truth because i know what do you wanna do , i wont tell you , becuase you are a dog

Unless you change your hearth i wont talk to you seriously

[scarlet tartan]

Did Yisus teach you to tell people they're dog when presenting you with small math

[thorny steeple]

I have the answer to your tares but i know you'll want to look an excuse to deny me

[thorny steeple]

If you are not a Dog , why you are behaving like a Dog ?

[scarlet tartan]

I think the dog is the one who cant figure out a simple math problem

[thorny steeple]

I knew people like you and i lost my important time tryng to preach them because their hearth was hard

[scarlet tartan]

You should repent

[thorny steeple]

Even if you would ask me the question but honestly , i would tell you without problem .

But i know you

tell me how you express yourself and I will tell you how you are

[scarlet tartan]

I'm still wating for the explanation

[thorny steeple]

If you give a Dog a treasure what will do the dog with your present?

[scarlet tartan]

understand

i'm still wating

You're the one barking

[thorny steeple]

Exactly , you want me i tell you the answer which i have the answer. But you will mizprice it .

[scarlet tartan]

Just lay down the answer, if you have any. Cause if you had one, you would have already given it

instead you resort to insults

common pattern of an ignorant

[thorny steeple]

The pharisees saw how yisus was doing thouse things in the temple , and they told him , what sign you show us becuase you are doing thouse things, and yisus didn't tell them anything but he said to them : signal wont be given to you

Becuase your hard hearth

So it will be with thouse who deny the truth knowing it

[ornate siren]

Oh, religion, religion, religion.

About time that y'all changed the topic.

[thorny steeple]

@scarlet tartan mark 12 :Whose Son Is the Messiah? 35Later, as Jesus was teaching the people in the Temple, he asked, “Why do the teachers of religious law claim that the Messiah is the son of David? 36For David himself, speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, said,‘The LORD said to my Lord,Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies beneath your feet.

I would like to spread all my knowledge to you about Yisus , but i hope this may help you

If you were open hearthed

[hot drum]

🙋‍♂️ looking for native English speaker for speaking practice in order to get rid of accent ENTIRELY

[sinful pine]

Nick, unless you undertake a lot of hard work, you will not get rid of your accent entirely.

[thorny steeple]

That's right, first for have a nice accent we have to aqcuire suficient words in such a way at the moment to talk we expouse our extense vocabulary

Otherwise you will scratch your mind , i think at the begining we only have to acquire the language until it becomes easy to talk .

[sinful pine]

Nick, get a good understanding of the simple tense first. That is your foundation to build your knowledge.

[strange socket]

Hello guys is there any rooms for those who want to prepare for ielts 🙃

[sinful pine]

You have 'rooms' in the plural form. You need the plural verb 'are'.

IELTS is an acronym. It needs to be capitalised.

[strange socket]

thank you for correcting me

[sinful pine]

If I may post this, it may help you. "All English sentences must start with a capital letter, and end with a punctuation mark."

There are no exceptions to that rule.

[hearty nexus]

hi, is it correct? a comma followed by "and"? Thank you

[thorny steeple]

No

[sinful pine]

Using a comma after 'and' is not generally used. There are a number of rules that cover the usage of the comma. Mid sentence they are used with conjunctions when joining two parts of a sentence into one.

[hearty nexus]

Noted on this. Thank you!

[sinful pine]

"All English sentences must start with a capital letter; and end with a punctuation mark." On reflection, I realised that the second section from 'and end...' is directly related to the first section.

It needs a semicolon instead of a comma.

[ember roost]

Most native speakers don’t even know how to use semicolons. A semicolon doesn’t belong where you said.

“All English sentences must start with a capital letter and end with a punctuation mark.” seems correct to me; but, if anything, it would be a comma.

Notice how I used the semicolon and commas and their function?

Semicolons and commas are mostly about giving the sentence the right flow when putting together concepts; semicolons can tie two sequential or related concepts together where commas show where momentary pauses belong to make concepts more coherent.

The hyphen can serve a similar purpose as a semicolon in some instances — or as parentheses if used in pairs.

[sinful pine]

"Semicolons and commas are mostly about giving the sentence the right flow when putting together concepts; semicolons can tie two sequential or related concepts together where commas show where momentary pauses belong to make concepts more coherent. " This is a long-winded sentence. It would be better written with a full stop after 'concepts', and then starting a new sentence. The comment about most native speakers is puzzling. No where in my few postings have I stated that I am a native English speaker.

[ember roost]

The point is: semicolons aren’t easy to master, even for native speakers.

In regard to being long winded, I think that’s a stylistic approach rather than an error — I write similarly to how I actually speak.

And I’m quite aware you’re not native; I checked prior to responding to you in the first place.

In my statements, I’m trying to show you the proper use of the semicolon.

[ornate siren]

Semicolons are also used to connect contrasting statements.

"The lady is beautiful; however, she is poor."

[bleak willow]

In this I would use two commas. Living and learning

[dire pebble]

hello

[ember roost]

Wouldn’t necessarily constrain it to contrast; can be addendums of info

This statement; this statement in relation to the first statement

[ornate siren]

I never did so.

[ember roost]

Kinda like programming use of semicolons

Feel non native speakers should probably avoid them until they are confident in the rest of their English proficiency

[ornate siren]

Yes, I agree with you. I'm a non-native speaker, and I have seen the semicolon disgraced in many ways.

[bleak willow]

I don’t even know how to use it in my mother language lmao

[ornate siren]

I just get a feeling where the mark, among other things, should and shouldn't be and always turn out to be right. So I don't really go ahead to explain my grammar.

[ornate siren]

Shame, do learn it.

[ember roost]

On the flip side, I have to avoid using them too much; have to have plenty of stylistic variation even in academic essays

[ornate siren]

Maybe, yes.

[civic reef]

I did not even know that human languages use semicolons. I thought they were like carets, tildes, and curly brackets, only for code

[ember roost]

Learn something new every day

[ember roost]

How about the nature of self and reality?

[smoky skiff]

Don't forget the BBC style guide decided not to do this. The standard of English went down the drain. It irked me so much I quit reading from their website. I did inquire about it, but they are steadfast in retaining their dumbed down style. I'm sure they no longer capatalize the sentence start nor punctuate the end.

[ember roost]

BBC style guide?

I’m more interested in basic questions of the nature of the sense of self; how does the self arise and become identified with itself

[smoky skiff]

Perhaps no semi colon, as there are only 2 parts to the sentence. If the were more parts listed they would be semi coloned, except for the final part which would then use the and only.

[ember roost]

What is “I”

My views are informed by a lot of self-inquiry in Buddhist meditation, eastern philosophy and modern western psychology — I’m curious how you see this

This statement isn’t very Intelligible

[smoky skiff]

Those are two sentences. Should just use '. ' not a ';' to try to make a point about how you are speaking.

[ember roost]

100%; as a native English speaker, the phrasing and word use is very strange

“Invervention of reality” needs to be better defined

[smoky skiff]

Again, this is not a place for semi colon

[ember roost]

Also the use of the word tangible doesn’t follow previous discussio and needs to be defined in what context you’re using it

Reality interface also needs to be better defined in the context

[formal scaffold]

I can believe it is, but I cannot affirm for sure it is, but like in daily life it's a common sense so I say it is

[smoky skiff]

Used by journalists for writing stories published by the BBC.

[ember roost]

Journalism has to be dumbed down to a 3rd grade English reading level

People aren’t very intelligent by and large

[formal scaffold]

British broadcasting coorporation

[ember roost]

Average iq in the USA is 98, which means statistically half of people are less than that, barring outliers

Let that sink in

Uk is probably about the same

99 in the uk

If you take that perspective of absolute relativism, you can’t talk about anything meaningfully

So what’s the point?

If you can’t perceive the truth because you are stuck seeing the world through a subjective lens, what’s there to say about anything? How do you know it’s all not just a hallucination ?

[smoky skiff]

Indeed

[ember roost]

I couldn’t say because it’s unknowable and unspeakable

[formal scaffold]

I: I'm the actions and decesion I did till now, I'm my habits, I'm my beliefs, Iam the result of all of that till this moment for I won't be the same later

[ember roost]

Why do you think I’m claiming any truth or authenticity of truth?

The thought is the thought of the thoughtless

[formal scaffold]

my take on truth: personal truth (a person's truth) common truth (mostly agreed on truth) ultimate truth (the truth that nobody can affirm and is always correct)

[ember roost]

You’d be surprised then

All thoughts are predicated on previous thoughts

No thought exists in a vacuum

As long as one is thinking, those thoughts are chains of causal reactions relative to internal and external environmental stimuli

[smoky skiff]

Everything falls under one of two categories. It's either a potato or its not.

[ember roost]

Was a typo, meant predicated

The spell check algorithm in iOS 17 makes typing difficult

For something to make sense, it must follow at least an internally consistent logic

Like non-dualism and dualism

Non-dualism can be a compartmentalized self-contained logic as distinct from dualistic perception

[sand pasture]

3-value logic joined the chat

[thorny steeple]

mans

i love are you

all

[formal scaffold]

love is descrimination :p

[thorny steeple]

ha, no

i am not

i am dont understand

you to wrote so hard

What is this for a channel?

[ember roost]

Non-dualism as expressed through dualistic language has an internal self-referent logic, but the concept itself is not conceivable because non-dualism can’t be modeled in dualistic concepts; it’s a realization rather than concept — requires becoming one with the realization itself.

The merging of subject and object into an inseparable continuity

The dualism is the created, the non-dualism ever is

It’s it’s the distinction of being and becoming

Non—dualism doesn’t transform

Dualism is constantly changing

Non-dualism just is and cannot be anything other than it is

Everything in form is changing; non-dualism isn’t in form

What are you referring to specifically

transformational mechanism in regard to what

You misunderstand; non-dualism is unchanging

It seems related to strange loops

Ever heard of the book Gödel Escher Bach?

Can you quote me?

Need to see specifically what you’re interpreting that way

Think you may have misread

I would never say non-dualism changes

But I’m willing to be corrected

[thorny steeple]

aa no, no, i am not the Russia

i can speak at the Russia language

[ember roost]

I need to see where i said that so I can address what you’re saying

No-thing is permanent and non-duality is no-thing

Nothing can be said in the positive about non duality

[ornate siren]

Hello

[ember roost]

Things can be inferred, spoken in the negative, but not in the positive

[formal scaffold]

hello

[ornate siren]

(Reading)

[ember roost]

There is no “there” from the perspective of non-duality

[ornate siren]

*sentence

And I have the same question too

*Thanks

[ember roost]

Nothing meaningful that I can say about it

[ornate siren]

You equivocate so much.

Why?

First tell me, is your essay on genes completed?

[formal scaffold]

impossible ig

[ornate siren]

Yes.

Wait a minute

Eating

For instance, the CRISPR-Cas9 system makes ingenious use of known restriction enzymes like EcoRI and BamHI to genetically engineer bacteria. It's a fledgling science, and scientists hope to decrease the immunity of bacteria towards antibiotics one day in this way.

I think you've heard of transgenetics.

It involves the insertion of foreign DNA into the genotypes of organisms, preferably using gene guns, to modify their phenotypes.

(Talking about transgenesis)

A transgene is a sequence of foreign DNA to an organism.

Let me finish first.

To maintain a continuous, reproductive chain of transgenetic organisms, the DNA may be injected into the ovum of the mother.

Yet to be discovered, in my opinion.

It hasn't proved to be dangerous as of yet.

For example, you have the transgenetic strain of zebrafish (Danio rerio) called GloFish®, that enables them to bioluminesce to generally increase their aesthetic beauty as a common aquarium species.

[thorny steeple]

i want a girl

[formal scaffold]

hope you get twins

[ornate siren]

As long the DNA incorporated is found to be successful in the gene pool, it generally shouldn't be harmful to the regarded organism.

But the theory of beneficial and harmful mutations must be taken into account in this matter also. The former would increase the probability of survival, while the latter would decrease it.

Any gene, whether it's mutated or not, can be successful.

In the exact words of Dawkins, a gene should be successful in the pool if it meets three criteria: "Longevity, fecundity, and copying-fidelity".

Go on, Ruslan.

(leaving, place your questions though)

I'll answer 'em later.

[thorny steeple]

@ornate siren you are biolog?

[tough gull]

I mean the gene that mutates changes....

[calm pumice]

Yup the gene changes in case of mutations in 🧬

[thorny steeple]

@lerroy1933#0000 bruh , how did you learn the languague , i'm giving up 😦 with the english , motivate me please

Because there are amounts of words i would like to aqcuire , i think i'm struggling myself but it's turn dificult tu understand words not very usual , i know how works the grammar , every verbal times i learned it , but at the time to speak i forget everything , and i don't know what to do.

Interesting conversation. Just today, I read this article regarding 'cat modification' to reduce the chances of allergies in people around them.

Hii

Hey there

[worn bolt]

👀

[thorny steeple]

Hii

[bleak willow]

You need to use them in your daily life with meaninful examples

[formal scaffold]

Visulize goals, smaller or bigger, imagine what you get from learning the english language

[thorny steeple]

Hi yall

[thorny steeple]

Yes I agree some words are really hard but I think after a little bit it will be easy to understand the words and the meanings

[thorny steeple]

Because knowing the theory of gramar won't make you good speaker. As example I can tell you, I learn playing guitar. And I know some theory. But the theory is the best when you practise it. And it takes time. As a consolation i tell you one day you will get up frome the bed and you gonna see the results.

Not only in English in every single language this problem can be solved with practicing the words and how they sound and what they mean

Btw I'm new to this server are the voice chat servers a server for you to practice English with other people?

[formal scaffold]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852809155341189120/1150770000999751741/SMART_goals.png?width=942&height=675

[thorny steeple]

Yes, you can chat and practice with other people

Oh Ok! Thank You Very Much For Letting Me Know!

[weak bronze]

I'm from Taiwan 18 years old, studying in THU, i wanna learn English. Can i make friends in this group？

[thorny steeple]

Yep!

You can go to the voice chat and talk to people and practice your English but you can also make friends on the way

[mighty nimbus]

@everyone"This is an emergency. We have a warning announcement from a server to warn about a discord user doing a bad thing. Do not accept a friend request from Chrisopeer Davies and Jessica Davies. They are hackers. Tell everyone on your friends list because if somebody on your list adds one of them, they'll be on your list too. They will figure out your personal computer's IP and address, so copy & paste this message wherever you can. Heads up: Look out for a discord user by the name of "KeirStarmer" or often just "Keir". He is going around sending friend requests to random discord users, and those who accept his requests will have their accounts and their IP Addresses revealed to him. Spread the word and send this to as many discord servers as you can. If you see this user, DO NOT accept his friend request and immediately block him. Please be warned there is a user going around called "KurtStarmer" or just "Kurt" who is mass spamming terribly graphic gore and of such (he is also a hacker). Please spread the word of this to your other server “EMERGENCY ALERT | Please read this carefully: A fair warning, Look out for a Discord user by the name of "mac" with the tag #9939. He is going around sending friend requests to random Discord users, those who accept his friend requests will have their accounts exposed and their groups exposed with the members inside it become a victim as well. Spread the word and send this to as many Discord servers as you can. If you see this user, DO NOT accept his friend request and immediately block him. Please stay safe."

[unreal cliff]

or just dont be stupid enough to click links

[ornate siren]

Thank you dearly, O Your Majesty Lionheart.

[river phoenix]

Hi

I got a short question about English

[formal scaffold]

they can change their profile name if they see this message, it's like telling kids in schools what to do when a school shooter appears.

[mighty nimbus]

Atleast it creates awarness

[mighty nimbus]

They are hackers

They can do anything

[mighty nimbus]

Atleast the moderator should know before admitting anyone in this group

Please share it to everyone .

[formal scaffold]

you sound like a hacker too

[mighty nimbus]

I am sharing awarness

I am learning ethical hacking

[static pivot]

@mighty nimbus stop

This is no awareness but lack of awareness

That you, my intellectual friend. Youve been fallen for this shitposting trap

Its created by some teens for idk wat reason, lets say for fun. And here you are

A victim

[formal scaffold]

I'd like to give an advice to myself and those who are questioning Islam especially or any belief generally to try to get the context of the text they are trying to understand it, also before judging a law that comes from this religion or any other one, I believe it's not easy to understand it by itself since this law and other laws forms a sort of system and studying it just by itself will take out it's true effect (example: you can't be cutting thieves hands if you don't verify first that they are adult, sane, and also that they are not in dire need of money)

[formal scaffold]

I know the basics, I try my best to practice it

well you can

[cloud meteor]

I wanna to speak english. Can anyone dm me ?

[brave zinc]

What does "rhetoric" mean in this sense?

Are you also for the argument that capital punishment is "too rough"?
I would personally not feel safe living in a country that does not apply capital punishment for those convicted of manslaughter or killing the other.
If there was no such punishment, what would stop an immoral person, or a person who is blinded by his anger, or someone who does not value the life of others from pulling out a knife in the heat of, say, an argument or a fight in the street that happened because one person cat called the other person's girlfriend/wife 👩 or if someone slightly scratched another person's car?
What's would stop that immoral, agitated, enraged, person who does not value life from killing another person if he knows damn well he won't get hanged for it?

But you may argue: "But, there is still life imprisonment!"

[formal scaffold]

there's no country that applies true sharia nowadays tho, how do you feel safe then?

[brave zinc]

Have you ever heared of the "donut experiment"? It is probably not called that, though.
Basically, it more or less aimed to examine would people rather have stale donuts 🍩 , or wait for a while and get a fresh donut; most people prefer the former.
My point is, immoral people, in the heat of the moment, do not visualize life imprisonment because it does not seem as fatal and dangerous as capital punishment. Just like the case with the donuts. They would carry on with their foul deed because life imprisonment is not so much of a threat as capital punishment.

I still dont understand what that word means. I googled it many times, but people keep inserting it in many conversations in varying contexts and I never know wtf people are trying to say. Fuck that term.

Who determines what?

Who determines that "it's wrong and very cruel, if you try to cut off his hand, then in this way he becomes even more furious. He will hate people for the rest of his life."

?

Cut the hands of one thief; BOOM drastic decline in theft attemps. BOOM 50% less burglaries.

Why is stealing someone's hard earned money, a phone they sold their fricking kidneys to buy, a gold bar they purchased using their children's saved up college fund, more immoral than cutting that person's hand?

[brave zinc]

I don't

[formal scaffold]

you guys are doing what I encouraged you to not do, debate one law instead of understading the whole system xD

[brave zinc]

Uhm. Yes?

Heck, it has a much greater outcome than not doing anything.

[formal scaffold]

feel free to do that but i don't think it's the right approach

[brave zinc]

Also, there is capital punishment where I life--Egypt.

[formal scaffold]

capital punishment =/= safe

[brave zinc]

It does mean less killing cases.

That's objective truth. I am not talking rocket science here. This is common sense.

[formal scaffold]

nope, you are explaining one side of the tool used by the law and you are saying that it's the reason for less killing

[brave zinc]

Do you actually think that applying the capital punishment laws would not have a drastic effect on murder rates?

[formal scaffold]

"my country has one law which is very strict therefore my country is safe"

[brave zinc]

You just crossed the event horizon of "Strawmanning" with that one, buddy

[formal scaffold]

I said it before you can't judge a whole law system based on one law

[formal scaffold]

I was quoting you ig

[brave zinc]

Could you elaborate that one, please?

[formal scaffold]

I don't need to elaborate it's cristal clear ig, you can't judge people based on one or few individuals, same with laws duh

[brave zinc]

What do you mean by "judge"? What am I judging? I am not judging no law system. All I'm saying is that Capital Punishment drastically decreases murder rates.

[formal scaffold]

you judged it saying it's brings safety

[brave zinc]

And no, it is not crystal clear. For you it may be, but you need to understand that people around you do not have the ability to read your mind.

[brave zinc]

I never explicitly said that, no. How many times do I need to say: "Capital Punishment drastically decreases murder rates."

[formal scaffold]

let me ask you this and i hope it'll clear up every misunderstanding here

[formal scaffold]

do you think laws are affected by other laws? do laws work individually or as a system?

[brave zinc]

Mybe I don't

I gotta go now

[formal scaffold]

peace

[ornate siren]

First of all, I'd like to warn you not to forget that English has a thing known as the "neuter gender".

(Evidently) unlike in Russian, mutations cannot be female.

Nor can genes.

Sure, I have drunk water just now.

Anyways

I think the thing you're referring to are spontaneous or acquired mutations.

You know that the gene is present in every cell of the body.

Including the gametes.

Acquired mutations may be somatic or germline. Both can occur during life, due to exogenous factors like mutagens; whereas only the latter has the capacity to be engendered by endogenous factors like copying errors.

Somatic mutations do not affect the gametes and so aren't inherited. They localise themselves to only a few nearby cells to the original mutant (which have them induced from it) and all the cells that arise from it. Those cells die eventually - sooner or later - when the organism dies out. In fact, an accumulation of somatic mutations can cause cancer.

Whereas germline mutations affect the gametes and are likely to be inherited.

Though such a circumstance has never occasioned as of yet and is very uncommon, I agree that the gene may have such properties, being inherited from a parent.

But if you talk about the original organism which the foreign DNA is inserted into.... well.

If the DNA is inserted directly into the zygote, the scope of germline mutation arises.

But if it's inserted into a somatic cell of the mature, developed organism, it would have no scope of inheritance and (likely) pervasion. To bring about its inheritance through such a developed organism, it must be inserted into its produced gametes, if any.

Naturally, you can cut off sterile species from the situation.

Time will tell.

What is a mutation? Put very simply, a gene copying error.

Bear in mind that a wrong copy doesn't create some supernatural element, just a new form of gene.

This gene will, to be successful in the gene pool, compete with its previous friends, its other copies and versions (alleles).

[frail wolf]

[tidal stratus]

[ornate siren]

Welcome, angels

Anyways

[frail wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/tilt-hat-gentleman-hat-tilt-hello-there-thank-you-gif-16683751

[frail wolf]

biology major?

[ornate siren]

Wait, I'm not finished. Having some coffee.

[ornate siren]

No, biology minor

[frail wolf]

may i join the conversation/discussion?

[ornate siren]

You're welcome

Go first.

[frail wolf]

what's being discussed here? and what's the end resolution that you are trying to reach here?

i am kinda lost that's why i am asking

[ornate siren]

All starts hence

[frail wolf]

this shall fill great gaps of knowledge

it did talk about the crispr Cas 9 quite thoroughly

[ornate siren]

It's common sense: a virus may consider itself successful when it notices that it has pervaded through to every corner of the world.

Similarly, a gene is considered successful when it is found to have acquired maximum frequency in the pool.

[ornate siren]

I have watched it.

Excellent.

Still, I have loved learning from books more.

[frail wolf]

found great similarities between what's discussed here, and what's in the documentary

felt the urge to share it

[ornate siren]

Wait

[frail wolf]

i usually go for all

srry for interrupting.....

[ornate siren]

I'll now present some facts before you. It's for you to judge whether a mutant gene "changes" considerably or not.

And mark you all, it's not ChatGPT or Web.

During mutation, at a molecular level the sequence of nucleotide bases is always altered.

[ornate siren]

Suppose we pick a particular DNA sequence.

[ornate siren]

Please, stop interrupting.

[ornate siren]

We can then narrow down our POV to point mutations.

Note that it's for convenience, and the chain of events in sensu amplo remains more or less the same (for example, in the whole genome).

[static pivot]

My bad my bad, continue

[ornate siren]

I like to divide point mutations into 2 types from a molecular POV.

Well, you can't say that because you haven't heard what I'm about to say yet.

Moving on, first we have substitutive point-mutations.

As the name suggests, in this case a purine or pyrimidine is simply replaced by its counterparts or equivalent bases.

This leads to a change in the codon configuration of a gene, which may promote amino acid substitution in a polypeptide chain, and eventually alter the phenotype.

I heard them term purine-purine or pyrimidine-pyrimidine substitutions as "transitions".

And pyrimidine-purine or vice-versa substitutions as "transversions".

As such, based on this we can say that 8 different transversions and 4 different transitions may be possible.

Find out yourself.

Secondly, we have frameshift point-mutations (though the term is not really my own).

Go to Wikipedia, and find out what that means and how can multiples or non-multiples of 3 lead to drastic anomalies when it comes to phenotypes.

[stoic harbor]

[frail wolf]

[ornate siren]

Successively many codons are changed, so that a dysfunctional and/or non-functional protein is produced.

When it comes to mutagens (just saying), the chemicals may intercalate between two bases in the DNA strand. For example, proflavin, a large and positively charged molecules with three rings, may make its place between such two bases and bring about a frameshift mutation. The affected strand cannot then incorporate the complementary base, and any base may fill up the gap or the site may remain vacant.

Forgive me if I'm digressing, but there's another curious thing called tautomeric shift.

Well, go on. My only fault is that I'm prone to digression.

I told you I was going to present some facts on the mechanisms of mutation and it was meant for you to judge.

Anyways, out with your criticism.

[stoic harbor]

👀

[ornate siren]

I'm waiting, homie.

Meanwhile,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0mwdg-VKnk

[manic sonnet]

This is some serious DNA stuff, god daymn.

[ornate siren]

You have advanced mathematics as well, in the video.

[manic sonnet]

Lemme take a look, I lost my knowledge in bio, but I know some logical stuff about human body and the metabolism.

[formal scaffold]

quick maths*

[manic sonnet]

That's a lot of maths there, 😂

[ornate siren]

Exactly!

[manic sonnet]

Rppers can literally convert anything into verses.

[ornate siren]

You haven't possibly heard of Big Shaq?

[formal scaffold]

Their bars are like covid you get them right off the bat.

[ornate siren]

Exactly.

[manic sonnet]

Nah, its the first time ..

[ornate siren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3jlviX88iw

The original

He's one of the greatest memes of all time.

[formal scaffold]

Runith thy pocket

[ornate siren]

"Runith"?

Not a word, man.

[manic sonnet]

Man singing that in BBC, the legend lol,

[formal scaffold]

It means empty the compartments of your pantaloon

[ornate siren]

Man, "runith" isn't a word.

I know Early Modern English.

[formal scaffold]

exactly it's from a meme where they tried to mimic what the british raodman says compared to the US ones

[ornate siren]

Ah, ah, I see.

Speaking of more roadman, here's another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYjIPtqz7R8

[ornate siren]

And here's another one of my favourites:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx_G2a2hL6U

[formal scaffold]

i know it

ancient english sounds a lot eloquent

[ornate siren]

Truly

[dapper zinc]

This chat is serious? XD

[ornate siren]

Waiting for someone

If you want to, retrograde along the channel to check if it isn't.

Scientists can be humorous, too (just saying).

[ornate siren]

I didn't give any name.

Anyways, waited enough. Finishing my say on tautomeric shift.

[ornate siren]

It refers to the shift of a proton in the nucleotide from one position to the other.

Due to this, non-conventional base pairing may occur.

For example, due to tautomeric shift, the normal amino group of a base (say adenine) may be converted into a rare imino (C=N) form, making it somewhat similar to a pyrimidine. During replication, an imino-adenine may lead to the incorporation of cytosine (not thymine) in the complementary strand, and so on with the other types of base. This leads to substitutive point-mutations (mainly transitions).

On the other hand, the keto (C=O) groups of especially pyrimidines may be converted into the enol forms (C-OH) due to tautomeric shift. This conversion alters the stability of the strand in question (the enol tautomer is relatively less stable due to less bond energy), leading to base replacement or ultimately great mutation.

I'm done presenting before you, @thorny steeple , all of the foremost mechanisms of how a mutation may take place. Now, it's your choice to suppose if the gene effectively changes during mutation, or not. Reflect.

What?

Well.

[formal scaffold]

dm means direct message

[ornate siren]

I know.

What I don't know is why they're saying it here.

[ornate siren]

You clarify on it when you have time.

What?

[ornate siren]

Feels like no one's here.

Well, goodbye from me too, for now.

(leaving)

[trim sapphire]

Hmm.hm.h

[thorny steeple]

Gene-rated some laughter after some serious discussion 😅

[ornate siren]

Thank you, then.

[formal scaffold]

That was gen-ius.

[thorny steeple]

yea

Who's smart here?

[formal scaffold]

not me

[ornate siren]

You still here?

[formal scaffold]

i just arrived

[jade light]

Does anyone know where I can test my level? I'm wondering if it is A3 or B1

[thorny steeple]

nosir

[ornate siren]

https://www.efset.org/ef-set-50/

[jade light]

Thank you very much, now I am at B2 with RS:63 LS:42

[manic sonnet]

Anybody serious today ? Or got a topic to make it serious ?

[static pivot]

Talk to me about Pink Floyd

[thorny steeple]

Pink Floyd is amazing

But i prefer Rolling Stones

[limber oriole]

Hello everyone, I am about to start a marketing agency. Looking for suggestions to get my first client

[manic sonnet]

I'm unaware.

[ornate siren]

I prefer Queen and The Beatles.

[ornate siren]

Later

[civic reef]

i like black sabbath

but i can not say i do not like rolling stones

i always forget the lyrics and song titles tho, of every band

[manic sonnet]

Agreed . Lol

[thorny steeple]

🙋‍♂️

[torpid oak]

Why this chat is serious?

[ionic glade]

because there are serious topics discussed

[static pivot]

@lapis fog close them. The next time i see something like this from you that would be the time i send you out of here

[ornate siren]

I told her to do so, yeah.

[thorny steeple]

[static pivot]

Hello moon!

[ornate siren]

Are you sad? Are you envious? Because the sun, your maid, is fairer than you are?

[prisma cipher]

@thorny steeple I have watch that anime when I was youn, damn, how old are you to remember this?

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHHfBeu0QE

[formal scaffold]

I'll try to do a quick review of this vedio

keep in mind I'm not far from being scholar, I'm just and individual with some views

1- the Quran is borrowed from both jewish and christian myths:+
those "myths" even tho they are diffrent than those in christianity and judaisme
yet it affirmes the existance of those relegion and claims that it came to "correct" them it's natural you'd find similarities
the Quran isn't just about those myths, in fact it's mostly reminders on the relationship between a person and god,
a person with other people, with his environment, a description of god about himself that may give you an image to grasp his greatness,
Quran, has scientific signs, historical prophesies, numerical miracles, and an eloquent language, Hitchens has missed this context intentionally or unintentionally.

2- people didn't fear or punish translating the quran ince it started in the 11th century
yet they were trying to be careful since it's believed to be a miracle, muslims believe that all books are word of god
and are to be equal except for quran since every prophet had his miracle, Mohamed (pbuh)'s miracle was the Quran
in a time where the arabic eloquency had a high value in their society, when people where extremly elequoent this book has came
Hitchens also has missed this context or didn't see it worth mentioning since it doesn't help his case maybe.

3- "every relegious Dominian must be extended by war" I'm sure he forget to mention or maybe he was ignorant about the fact that islam
laws had very strict rules about "war" since they accepted torture, exile, famine, just because God didn't order them to do so (that's what we believe)
until the second year of "hidjra" and even with that there was a lot of strict law, never fight a woman, a child, a handicaped, and old, a person without weapon
never strike your opponents in their back fight them face to face, give them a mercifull death a strike in the neck that is, never torture, and be kind to prisoner
I see that at the same time realistic and mercifull, and yet some muslim later on has went astray and didn't respect those rules Hitchens takes the opportunity to pin that on islam rather than muslims (which he keeps doing in some part of the vedio)

I'll try follow up my review feel free to add whatever you want

[ornate siren]

Yes, reading.

[formal scaffold]

also I like to point out that wars were only allowed when the religion was in danger, after that period it islam used other ways to spread their message

also it seems ridiculous critisizing all relegion for commiting wars in a time where almost everybody was doing so

[thorny steeple]

aww hahah tysm
no actually I'm sick 🤧

[thorny steeple]

yayyy, My brother is 27 years old. I remember watching this with him. This is really old. 🥲

[thorny steeple]

hi Vivek

sun is my friend @ornate siren

@thorny steeple

[ornate siren]

That's true, and is what I'm talking about.
"Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon
Who is already sick and pale with grief
That thou her maid art far more fair than she.
Be not her maid, since she is envious.
Her vestal livery is but sick and green,
And none but fools do wear it."

[ornate siren]

I have no potential of being the sun .

[thorny steeple]

[formal scaffold]

5- I noticed that Hitchens uses other branches of Islam as reference without addressing that they have different view with other muslim or even the holy book and hadith, and the hadith which is something that has a degree of righteousness to muslims (depending on the source)

[thorny steeple]

😭😭

[thorny steeple]

Alright

[thorny steeple]

Me neither

[ornate siren]

Finished?

[formal scaffold]

still didn't feel free to type anything i'll read it

[ornate siren]

I'll type when you finish.

[formal scaffold]

I'll let you know

6- He also quotes karen armstrong by saying that islam it's just an attempt of arabs to catch up to chrisitans and jews since they were left out in history, I think it's very stupid for two reasons since "karen" and whoever quoted her are comparing a race with relegion, a race that had christian and jews with christian and jews, the second reason is that the first people who stood against muslims were arabs themselves, most arabs was against that relegion, until they were defeated in war,

[formal scaffold]

I think I'll end here I'll give this vedio a chance later maybe and i'll do anther "review"

[ornate siren]

*video

[ornate siren]

All 3 are Abrahamic faiths, so similarities should be expected. But religious ideals (whatever they may be, myths or anything else) shouldn't be directly and amateurishly dismissed as myths, for the members of the religion follow them. Against Hitchens.

[ornate siren]

Respect it. Against Hitchens's disregard. Well, I'd have rather seen it translated earlier, though, to spread the faith more promptly. But the fear of the Moslems lest they face punishment is to be kept in mind.

[thorny steeple]

What do you mean by numerical miracles?

[formal scaffold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11dDOBdQobQ

[thorny steeple]

You mentioned prophecies, the Quran is not a book containing prophecies, I remember what you mentioned, but we call them "truth"

[formal scaffold]

I used a general term for eveybody to understand

[thorny steeple]

I know these, I asked to be sure. There are many ideas put forward by Reşat Khalifa, an Egyptian thinker, on this subject. I have read most of them. 🥲

[ornate siren]

Against Hitchens' illogical attribution of the misinterpretation of the ideals of the Quran to Islam itself. As said, it was to be imputed to the Moslems themselves. War? I've heard that in Islam, it has been told to spread the faith but not by violence; the Moslems fought against resistance. This I may be somewhat against, because Gandhian ideals of peace and non-violence could have proved to be effective in the days of the 4 caliphates. I smell in the phrase "islam laws had very strict rules about "war" since they accepted torture, exile, famine, just because God didn't order them to do so" a kind of false dichotomy or informal fallacy. In sensu amplissimo, some may consider it a similar argumentum ad ignorantiam: "A proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false or a proposition is false because it has not yet been proven true".

[formal scaffold]

alot of people got carried away with that Idae so I wouldn't go so far to say everybody's true except those who make sense to me

[thorny steeple]

yea Ur right

same here

[ornate siren]

Exactly.

[ornate siren]

Not necessarily. The first Rashidun Caliphate was formed to spread the faith, per se.

[ornate siren]

Don't know about that really, for I'm no Moslem.

[ornate siren]

Completely illogical, in my opinion. I respect each thought and thus, religion equally.

[formal scaffold]

thanks for taking the time to read and reply 👍🏾

[ornate siren]

Of course you know Saladin?

[formal scaffold]

a bit yes

[ornate siren]

That man redefined the Islamic ideals.

I respect him as one of the greatest generals ever, alongside Bonaparte, Nelson, and Hannibal.

He deliberately dismissed the idea of taking revenge on the merciless slaughter of the Moslems by the French during the 1st Crusade.

And after storming Jerusalem, safely granted EVERY HUMAN of the city, a safe passage to the sea. Just before the 3rd Crusade.

Man, we gotta talk about the Crusades someday.

In my opinion, the Moslems shouldn't have been so bent on spreading the faith everywhere. After all, there must be place for every religion in the world. I am a little against that idea.

Especially what pissed me off was the Umayyad invasion of Francia.

Piqued the stronger Carolingian Franks on purpose.

And Eudo, Duke Of Aquitaine, along with Charles Martel, Mayor Of Paris, answered by crushing an Umayyad army under Abd-al Rahman, Governor Of Spain at Tours-Poitiers around 732. I think that was deserved.

And then we have the crazy initiation of the Crusades.

Occasions where we see every Abrahamic faith conflict.

[thorny steeple]

I cannot say that I have much knowledge on this subject, but I know that most of the time these states made conquests to become stronger and increase their territory, not only the Umayyads, but also the reasons for the Crusades.

[ornate siren]

Everyone was equally irrational. For me, it shouldn't have to be prolonged violence for so long. The answer - equal liberty in the Holy Land, granted to every faith - ought to have been thought of sooner, and it was only decided upon after the Third Crusade, with an uneasy truce of Richard I with Saladin.

[formal scaffold]

same but I'm not very familiar with the medival history

[formal scaffold]

I think it's still the case even today 🙂

[thorny steeple]

This struggle was not for religion but to appear strong, most of the time, in other words, wars for religion were fought only for defense purposes in the time of our Prophet, for Muslims to protect themselves, The conquests made by the prophet were with peace instead of war, the Conquest of Medina was with peace and brotherhood

[ornate siren]

So it would seem.

[formal scaffold]

Are you christian btw?

[ornate siren]

Maybe

Unlike y'all, some other faith has made its home upon me, gratuitously.

I am neither a supporter of religion, nor its opponent.

[thorny steeple]

It seems like the same struggle is still going on in Jerusalem... I guess nothing much has changed.

[formal scaffold]

what's your thought on the holy lands?

[ornate siren]

A common perquisite of 3 religions.

[thorny steeple]

I think everyone's common value and the fact that it is in the hands of only one community means that other people will oppose it.

[ornate siren]

Yes, of course.

[ornate siren]

"Beware, my lord, of jealousy; 'tis that green-eyed monster that doth mock the meat it feeds on..."

[thorny steeple]

Song for the moon again? Who is the author of these string?

my keyboard is broken 😭😂😂😂

[ornate siren]

Both Shakespeare. The first one's from Romeo And Juliet (Act II, Scene II - famous as the "balcony scene") and the second, Othello (can't remember the details specifically).

[ornate siren]

Hmm, sad.

[ornate siren]

Ah, how sweetly is the relationship of jealousy and love expressed in his poem Venus And Adonis.

[formal scaffold]

https://yt3.ggpht.com/_GU61rQQSY-bnOZlwa8ZD_hjT1fxpYbbFdvDRM-Hz_VeN2XeDawoO14GzuLzYX9O4kSGTW7BfHOt6w=s640-nd-v1

[thorny steeple]

oh yeaaaa

[thorny steeple]

😭aww

[thorny steeple]

[fervent hatch]

hey

[severe hinge]

if you need speaking partner with speaking 7.0 write to me, (girls, boys are not interesting but responsible)

[ornate siren]

This channel is too quiet.

[manic sonnet]

You wanna scream ?

[ornate siren]

Talk

[manic sonnet]

Can I add you by any means ?

[ornate siren]

Let's talk about begging the question, and after that, some logically informal appeals.

[ornate siren]

You may

[severe hinge]

I need speaking partner (mine is 7.0)

[manic sonnet]

So , I never begged for attention, you .

[ornate siren]

We're boys.

[manic sonnet]

You better ask spam the general

*/

[ornate siren]

I'm talking about petitio principii, man.

[manic sonnet]

Ahh, I see, I need to harness my language more, and top of that , I never used it anywhere before , so I did not know ..

A fallacy ..

Taken for granted or concluding without a proper credence..

[ornate siren]

It's considered an informal fallacy, a fault in logical fallacy that's not inherent in the argument (formal), but has arisen due to a fault in the arguer's reasoning itself, mainly due to neglect of varying contexts and applications.

If you go to Wikipedia, you can see the example:
"People have known for thousands of years that the earth is round. Therefore, the earth is round."

[ornate siren]

Exactly. That makes it synonymous with circulus in probando, doesn't it?

[severe dune]

hey, how are you today and what you do today?

[ornate siren]

I'm as fine as can be today, and talking about some logic right now.

Join us if you want.

[last geyser]

Hi

[manic sonnet]

Exactly , The false beleive which leads to the arguers misunderstanding of the contexts and applications of it, and holding a wrong stance in a debate and trying to prove once point , I get it .

[ornate siren]

Circular reasoning might be considered an informal fallacy in addition.

[severe dune]

yea I can join 🙂

[manic sonnet]

I think most people doing This out there.

They say, the lie travels faster likewise.

[ornate siren]

You start by considering that proposition which you went out to prove.

For example, in QUICK MATHS.

Some data.... prove that x is a prime number.

We start with "Let x be a prime number. This satisfies the condition something".

Don't we?

[manic sonnet]

Yea, even after the results , the x is already considered a prime then why Would one wanna prove it again, if x considered a prime

[obtuse osprey]

hello guys

how are u guys ??

[ornate siren]

Of course. This redundancy reminds me of the law of identity: "If the set of evaluable properties of an object A exactly matches with that of a given object, the object is bound to be A itself".

So why continue with the prolongation and all?

[manic sonnet]

Fantastic so far . Hbu.

[ornate siren]

I'm fine.

[obtuse osprey]

im very well thx

im gald to hear that guys

soooo guys what are u doing ??

[manic sonnet]

In some areas we need to identify the state and the factual being of a given object , in those , prolongation isn't a crime but doing it for a pleasure like a buisness crocs is absurd, so yeah can't say no.

[manic sonnet]

Circular resoning, fallacy , taking for granted ..

[ornate siren]

Excepting the situations where you WANT TO DO IT.

[ornate siren]

Logic

Returning to petitio principii, I might say it is similar to circulus in probando by the fact that both present no new facts and just revolve along the same assumption.

[manic sonnet]

That's right , if it somewhat, something connected to our life then do as we want!

For instance , medicine .

[ornate siren]

Hm, what of it?

[severe hinge]

okie, gender no matter, just should be responsible

[manic sonnet]

Even If a several hundread after consumptions were successfull, it doesn't mean that particular medicine will work for ya, they need to do some special testing to identify the actual effects of that pill on you.

[severe hinge]

I need speaking partner, gender does not matter. (mine is 7.0) should be responsible

[manic sonnet]

Understood, but it's a debate stage, we can debate on gender if you want so ..

[ornate siren]

Go to #💭｜general , don't disturb, please.

[manic sonnet]

Easy there , nocturnal .

[severe hinge]

I am really sorry, I am new in discord.

[ornate siren]

Then join us.

[severe hinge]

So what topic are you discussing

[ornate siren]

Logic

[severe hinge]

More specific

You mean logic what

Nowadays, why people are not using their logic?

[manic sonnet]

You may Read the tail thread .

[ornate siren]

I see. But it's chaos theory, and you can't predict everything beforehand in complex systems like real life. Best be safe than sorry.

The Ecuador volcano Tungurahua erupted in 2012, I think, after a dormancy of thousands of years. Vesuvius last erupted in 79 AD and buried Pompeii and Herculaneum. Who knows when it will erupt next, and similarly bury Naples? Better work on your forecasting technology.

[manic sonnet]

I'm not promoting the avoidance of medicine , I'm just saying , every body needs a special kind of arrangements to cure the illness, it should not be the same for everyone ,

[ornate siren]

I'm not against you. I agree with you.

Everyone has a different body.

[manic sonnet]

Who can predict the nature incidents like volcano, one could not rely on forecasts for the survival from volcano , keep an eye on em .lol

I'm sry I'm not into volcano eruptions, I did not know ..

I saw an opportunity to disappear from here, bye , || Its time for the bed, I'll present myself in the next debate ||

[ornate siren]

Though it was not a debate, just a friendly discussion.

[manic sonnet]

It was. I'm not serious at all, just sleepy.

[thorny steeple]

Where do you guys post the debate subjects?

[frail wolf]

what do you mean by this question?

[mint zodiac]

Hello, has somebody OnDAF/OnSET tests to share?

[thorny steeple]

The fascinating part about such natural mystique is how unpredictable it's wrath can be.

[thorny steeple]

I believe it's, #1052921371006603304.

[ornate siren]

Exactly.

[normal granite]

Sorry for diverting the topic all of a sudden, but have any of you fluent(CEFR C1 and above) learners had this feeling: Your writing skills are way better than your speaking despite the general conception that writing is the last part of the language ESL learners improve, ironically enough.
Let me give you a modest example by giving my case: I can write by using a bunch of complex grammar structures, sophisticated vocabulary and phrases appropriately without any issues, while I find myself resorting to using a lot of basic vocabulary (with a few basic-level phrasal verbs) when it comes to speaking.

[ornate siren]

That's something of the case with me.

A bit.

[normal granite]

in Mid-Atlantic accent Great day, Mr. Green!

[thorny steeple]

to prompt suggestions in the future maybe

[devout escarp]

There anyone have free time to improve our English language?

[past abyss]

Could someone help me to check my sentence is correct or not
"Did you check your credit card how much money do u have?"

Idk is this correct to use the verb check in above sentence

[trail dawn]

Y

[lusty zenith]

That's two sentences in one. You should put another question mark in there:

Did you check your credit card? How much money do you have?

Or maybe you mean:
Did you check how much money you have in your credit card?

[warm obsidian]

"Did you check your credit card to see how much money you have"

[unreal cliff]

Did you check how much money you have on your credit card?

[past abyss]

On credit card or in credit card

?

[lusty zenith]

Both are fine. I prefer "in" but I'm not native

[tawny cairn]

I think "in" will be correct

[past abyss]

To be sure I search in AI CHAT ability of Bing browser
It says for digital we should use on
While for wallet, bank account which stores cash physically we should use in

On credit card
In wallet
In my bank account

So I have 3000 USDT on my trust wallet

I have 3000 usd In my wallet

[lusty zenith]

Interesting. I learn something new today. Thanks

[past abyss]

Me too, thx so much

[civic reef]

yes, very true, i happen to lose my vocabulary or thoughts way easier when i speak, compared to when am given the time to type

i think this is not only a matter of language skills

what likely comes into play in situations like this is also personal confidence when it comes to speaking, the more confident you are, the more used to talking you are, the better you will be and the smaller the chance of you forgetting some expression due to anxiety/uneasiness will be

[normal granite]

That is true. In fact, "Special Learning Difficulties", as in, certain mental disorders that negatively affect their acquisition of knowledge have a strong link with speakers' confidence, thereby heavily affecting their fluency in speaking.

I have to tell you that I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 4, and this has been a huge impediment to my speaking such as speaking in haste (the thing Mr. Green always points out), constant stuttering, and whatnot.

[ornate siren]

What drove you to ask this question?

[normal granite]

I just wanted to know if there's anyone who can relate themselves to my situation.