🧠｜serious-chat

[ornate siren]

There are two types of respiratory chemoreceptors: the central and the peripheral chemoreceptors.

[thorny steeple]

and as it does so it relaxes the Diaphragm and the external intercoastal muscles which ends up in decreasing the volume and increasing the pressure

in our thoracic cavity

for passive expiration

[ornate siren]

The former is located in the ventral medulla and mainly controls respiratory responses when the body is at rest.

[shell belfry]

Hello everyone

[thorny steeple]

like are the stimulations different when our haemoglobin ends up binding with molecule other than Oxygen, for instance say CO due to high affinity? how differently is it processed by our neural system?

are you in uni by the way?

[ornate siren]

These are sensitive to CO2-induced changes in the hydrogen ion concentration in the brain interstitial fluid.

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[ornate siren]

Nope, I'm a junior in high school. 16 years old.

[shell belfry]

Are u a doctor

[ornate siren]

In fact, sensitive to changes induced by any gas other than oxygen.

Let's take CO2 as our example.

[thorny steeple]

yep we have other receptors for it too

[ornate siren]

High affinity means high activity of the centres.

[shell belfry]

I am learning English new i didn't understand the difference have been between had been

[ornate siren]

Hydrogen ions cannot cross the blood-brain barrier but CO2 can. This CO2 enters the CSF and reacts with H2O to form carbonic acid, H2CO3. It is broken down into more hydrogen and bicarbonate ions. So, an increased CO2 concentration in the CSF means an increased rate of hydrogen ion production.

[thorny steeple]

and then our regular mechanism of the exchange of gases is not carried out this devoiding our organs of Oxygen

[ornate siren]

What do you mean by "devoiding"?

[edgy falcon]

Thanks for biology lesson

[thorny steeple]

yoo and what complication does it lead to. it intrigues me

[ornate siren]

The CSF has small amounts of buffers; the excess of hydrogen ions (or low pH) in the CSF stimulates the central chemoreceptors. As a result, the respiratory rate and tidal volume increases to decrease the acidity.

[humble lion]

This is awesome stuff but sadly its easily forgotten when u go deeper and specialize in a field as these are considered basics then

[ornate siren]

The remaining CO2 is exhaled into the atmosphere. The arterial partial pressure of CO2 and the hydrogen ion concentration in the CSF return to normal to maintain homeostasis.

[ornate siren]

I take interest and have equal knowledge in mostly the subjects of literature, philosophy, linguistics, mythology, logic, geography, geology, history, biology, medicine, palaeontology and formal languages, etc. you know what I am saying. Everything save mathematics, the subject I despise most, unless it is applied in any of the said subjects.

[thorny steeple]

as CO binds with the Hb instead of O2, now the blood flows with a less oxygen concentration, thus it wold not be able to supply the expected Oxygen to our organs thus they become devoid of O2 and end up losing functioning

[ornate siren]

In contrast, if the CO2 and hydrogen ion concentration is low, the respiratory rate decreases.

[ornate siren]

"To devoid" isn't a thing

[ornate siren]

Agreed

[thorny steeple]

so as the already present oxygen in our lungs is used up, and now there is no more supply of it, what is it called other than 'to devoid'

[ornate siren]

The latter is located in the aortic arch and in the bifurcation of the carotid arteries in the neck.

[ornate siren]

"Devoid" can't be used as a verb

[rapid cairn]

hello guys

[humble lion]

I see, personally we dont deal with these physiology anymore as its considered as basics and we are espected to have substantial info about it, problem is, as we study about actions of drugs on a new system, we as students have to review the anatomy again, so we usually dont focus on these anymore

[thorny steeple]

the pre botzinger and the botzinger complices?

[ornate siren]

Peripheral chemoreceptors

[thorny steeple]

making our organs devoid of the Oxygen&* My bad I did not notice

[ornate siren]

These chemoreceptors sense changes in the in the CO2 partial pressure and hydrogen ion concentration in the arterial blood.

[thorny steeple]

yes

above them also lies the apneustic center

[rapid cairn]

i try to learn english from the native speakers

[thorny steeple]

thats the basics you learn in high school

[ornate siren]

If the said parameters increase in degree, the receptors sense hypoxia in the arterial blood. The glossopharyngeal nerve carries the impulse from the carotid bodies, while the vagus nerve does so from the aortic bodies. The neurons in the medullary respiratory centres send signals through the motor neurons to the respiratory muscles. These signals help restore the said parameters to a normal level, by increasing the blood pH and increasing the rate of CO2 expiration.

(Leaving for now, goodbye)

[humble lion]

Have a good one

[humble lion]

True, its been almost 4-5 years so, i can only recall the key points now

[thorny steeple]

Yes thats Right!

[rapid cairn]

In what class are yall going to ?

[thorny steeple]

Have a good day/night 👋

[rapid cairn]

thanks, u too!

[thorny steeple]

Oh I am guessing we are from the same country; saw you on the other channel before

[humble lion]

Uhm, im from iraq, im not sure we are from the same country

[thorny steeple]

My bad! I thought we were

nevermind, it was a fun conversation I had in a while

[humble lion]

Likewise m8

[thorny steeple]

I appreciate the knowledge dispensed by @ornate siren and you too @humble lion

[rapid cairn]

im from Cote d'Ivoire, do you know this country guys?

[humble lion]

U know more than most of highschoolers in my place

[humble lion]

Pleasure is mine

[rapid cairn]

oh great!

[thorny steeple]

That's not much. Our Zoology teacher really likes to dispense extra information ocassionally

and I find the subject interesting as well as it has real life applications

[rapid cairn]

you have zoology teacher in ur country, it is great

[thorny steeple]

Never heard of it! I'm sorry!

[rapid cairn]

In my country, it's not like that.

[thorny steeple]

How is life over there @rapid cairn

[rapid cairn]

Cote d'Ivoire is a beautiful and great country.

[humble lion]

Same point of interest, its seen and heard in everyday life

[rapid cairn]

We are the 1rst cocoa produce in the world

[thorny steeple]

That's really nice!

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[rapid cairn]

thank

[pearl condor]

this is rare

rare country to be from

[thorny steeple]

it is almost night here. should take my leave now

see ya all

[rapid cairn]

cu

[thorny steeple]

Good Night

[rapid cairn]

Actually it is 6:53 in my country

[humble lion]

Cya and good night, sweet dreams bye bye

[main forge]

GM

[cerulean sentinel]

Don’t know if I should use this chat to start this type of conversation here but let me see.
Have anyone ever had a problem with parent commenting your appearance because of the way you were?

Because it’s been happening to me recently and I don’t really know how to deal with it. At first I tried to ignore them but now ever time one of my parents says something about my appearance I get stormy motions and i am so close to them taking control over me.

[thorny steeple]

In what ways you mean?

[cerulean sentinel]

Because I’m thought to be too skinny when my weight is completely normal for my age and height

[dawn karma]

Hi, guys, did anyone see frog1 today?

[restive stratus]

Why is that such a big deal for them?

[zinc vault]

hi Very one my name is my name but u can call me spidi i know it's everyone not veryone When I was born I was zero and now I'm 17 .6 yo i'm frome the word and the word frome me so 'im here to improve my phone it's need learn english soo if you want to make conversation I'm here to improve our English

[gilded maple]

Hello

[cerulean sentinel]

I mean I need to keep up my strict diet because I work for a modelling agency. Nevertheless they be commenting my collarbone or my shoulder bones which are visible. One of my parents is not the best example of how people should eat because she/he is overweight.
They be talking about skipping meals and stuff, what am I supposed to do? Eat whenever I am hungry or eat because schedule says I should. Also when I wear black clothes which have this slimming effect on our bodies they are going nuts telling me that I should go see psychiatrist or go straight to mental health hospital. I’m trying to get out of my ED, that’s true but never have I ever had problems with health because of them. They came back after 3 weeks of being away home and something magically happened. It has never happened before, that’s why I’m asking how to deal with this if anyone has any ideas.

[gilded maple]

If anyone wants to learning english with me, they can add me (B1+ english speaker and native Turkish)

[untold kite]

anyone have interesting presention topics??

[frigid onyx]

Bro, let's talk about How to be millionair

[humble lion]

Simple, just say "i identify as a millionair"

And go to the bank

Withdraw 1m

[thorny steeple]

Do you think they're just worried or really wanting to upset you? I mean it because when I was deleting weight from my body, my mom got crazy on me due to my marathons of fasting, lol! But in my case, I saw she was just worried... If it's the case, I guess there's nothing much to do, just show them you're on control and they don't need to worry. I guess fight can make things worse. 😦

[cerulean sentinel]

Why should they be worried about something that is completely normal tho.. I can’t lose any more weight due to my health and I am maintaining it on the same level for a month. Don’t know why they are going nuts.

[frigid onyx]

Bro, we are in the serious chat 💀

[humble lion]

Oops🤭

Mb

[thorny steeple]

Parents are like this. 🤣 At least they care about you, if they were indifferent, then it would be worse, don't?!

Of course only you knows if they're doing this for care or to bother you. But if it's care, just nvm and keep being a model. 🥰✨

[cerulean sentinel]

I wish I could eat more sometimes but this thoughts of old me eating as much as possible gets me over this idea faster than you think. They are like you won’t grow or whatever… guys I don’t want to worry you but due to my healthy diet and exercising and generally moving so much I grew more than ever before

[thorny steeple]

Don't worry, it's ok! I guess you can please yourself sometimes and eat without guilty, then you get back to diet normally. It will not ruin anything. Your old self will never get back don't worry, it's normal to feel like this.

[left spire]

hy everyone

who here like physics

[velvet umbra]

I do I'm a physics major

[thorny steeple]

[tepid viper]

I like physics, but i dont like

[sullen linden]

hey guys do you have a disney plus account?

if you share disney plus at me, ı am going to be happy

[thorny steeple]

Jamu jamu

[thorny steeple]

hi..

[thorny steeple]

Jamu jamu

[thorny steeple]

Hi, How are you?

[thorny steeple]

[blissful stratus]

r u indonesin

jamuu

[subtle swallow]

I haven't found what I'm looking for yet

[thorny steeple]

Me too

[ornate siren]

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

Taumata­whakatangihanga­koauau­o­tamatea­turi­pukaka­piki­maunga­horo­nuku­pokai­whenua­ki­tana­tahu

Floccinaucinihilipilification

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis

Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia (Notice the irony)

"Abstemious" and "facetious" (Only words I could find, that contain all the vowels in correct order)

[thorny steeple]

What the

[grand parrot]

that's not a word

[ornate siren]

It's a Welsh agglutinative word, and the name of a village.

[grand parrot]

💀

k then smart boy🤓

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[shadow grotto]

who can chat with me

[sonic blade]

hello

[grand parrot]

@lavish finch

can u give me a complicated sentence that your confident that no one will understand

[thorny steeple]

Let's go! I'm sleepless anyways.

[ornate siren]

Would you like to present your opinions on the supposed disappearance of the Hispanic 9th Legion of the Roman Empire in Britain, just after the Boudican revolt? After your discussion with @thorny steeple .

[thorny steeple]

No, guys, you can start this one!

It sounds like me sometimes.

[ornate siren]

Nope, he's too much set on discussing with you.

(Reading)

[thorny steeple]

I guess to use the word nothing is inappropriate, but I got your point and somehow I agree with this.

I mean everything has different points of views and perspectives. The only immutable things on Universe are the Universal laws.

[ornate siren]

Everything is approximated, according to the perception of Man.

Approximation.

[thorny steeple]

I guess everything is susceptible to mistakes

[slate mesa]

The whole nature of science and the scientific method is that it is subject to change if the evidence changes or new evidence comes out.

[thorny steeple]

Perfectly pointed!

[grand parrot]

hi

[thorny steeple]

You changed your pfp.

[grand parrot]

isn't that a general knowledge or...

[slate mesa]

I think it's easy to assume everyone has the same knowledge as yourself. But you know what they say of assumptions.

[ornate siren]

The definition of the apple depends on what you take it for.

[grand parrot]

no, what im saying is that even though how stupid a person is, they still know what you said earlier

[ornate siren]

Everything is approximated.

[slate mesa]

Are you questioning objective reality?

[ornate siren]

You cannot measure the volume of the apple.

[grand parrot]

can someone explain how time travel works

[thorny steeple]

Are you concerned about it being real?

[thorny steeple]

Integration se krlenge.

[grand parrot]

yes you can

[slate mesa]

Of course, that's what the scientific method is for

[thorny steeple]

It doesn't work.

It's impossible to go to the past.

But you can predict the future.

[slate mesa]

Subjective in relation to what?

[grand parrot]

i never implied time travel to the past

but what if it was possible

[thorny steeple]

Our thoughts are the beginning of the manifestation. Everything that exists in reality comes up in the mind first. The mind can be a tool to connect with the metaphysical world. So...

[ornate siren]

I guess subject to changes of time, the 4th dimension.

[grand parrot]

what would happen and how wouldnit work

[slate mesa]

It's the only truth we have my guy.

[thorny steeple]

Are you implying you want to see the future or the past as a 3rd person?

[slate mesa]

Time doesn't change the fact that an apple is an apple

[grand parrot]

No

[ornate siren]

But it can change human perception and the foundations of science.

[grand parrot]

im just asking what would haopen and how it works

[thorny steeple]

I guess it would be a complete mess! Who would like to live again everything at the same?! Or cause a complete transformation in everything? Have you ever watched Butterfly Effect?! You can potentially love it!!

[thorny steeple]

It doesn't happen and it won't work. We can speculate, look up Grandpa paradox.

[slate mesa]

Your perception of the truth, or reality, doesn't change the truth, or the reality. The only thing that changes is your point of view

[ornate siren]

You are experienced in chaos theory?

[grand parrot]

well what if it does, dyk how w what if works

[grand parrot]

i think it won't be a mess

[ornate siren]

That's why I said "perception".

Science as we know it, is based on perception.

[thorny steeple]

That's why I told you to look up Grandpa paradox, it explains everything about what if it works.

[thorny steeple]

Indeed!

[thorny steeple]

Kind of.

[grand parrot]

i already explained what it is

granda paradox is easy to explain if you go further through the paradox

[thorny steeple]

And?

[thorny steeple]

Of course it would! All our actions has impact in the Universe! So... Everything would need to be reorganized all the time to fit into the new creation. Imagine it happening all the time?! A mess in multiverse or travels to different realities all the time by literally everyone due to the constant travels and transformations.

[grand parrot]

nothing to say?

[grand parrot]

not really

[slate mesa]

Science is based on observations, usually using instruments or objective measurements. You can percieve scientific results differently based on your own thoughts and preferences, but it doesn't change the results of the observations.

[grand parrot]

it doesn't really creates a mess in the universe

[ornate siren]

Results are approximated based on perception, yes. We never can have access to the true results.

[thorny steeple]

I don't know, but I believe so.

[thorny steeple]

Not really, I have limited knowledge. That red box is where I am.

[ornate siren]

According to the 2nd Law Of Thermodynamics, no process can decrease the entropy of the universe.

[slate mesa]

I think people here are overly philosophising regarding objective reality and truth. That's beyond my interest so I'll bow out of that convo here. Ty!

[ornate siren]

Exactly.

[thorny steeple]

True.

[thorny steeple]

I believe that the process of Manifestation is to use the chaos as a primary source to put order and create your own reality. The entropy is inevitable. And our minds are here to make this work.

How do you think I reached there 😏

[ornate siren]

That's psychology.

True.

[grand parrot]

y'all are kinda cringe not gonna lie

[thorny steeple]

For me, it's the same thing.

[ornate siren]

Almost as cringe as you.

[grand parrot]

like why would anyone put a dot with only two words, learn english before science

[grand parrot]

nice name u got there 😉

[thorny steeple]

We are all phD in serious chat.

[slate mesa]

Speaking of nothing, some shameless advertising. I got approved to teach on this Discord yesterday. I'll be putting up my first class on monday or tuesday. It will be on cognition, memory and effective study methods. Keep an eye on the class-announcement-channel if you're interested.

[thorny steeple]

@grand parrot @thorny steeple I'm upto hypothesising the effects and possibilities of time travel but I just don't want to speculate and make fairytales out of my mind unlike some people here.

[grand parrot]

lmao

u won't but u can though

[ornate siren]

In English, the full stop defines the end of a sentence, or any meaningful combination of words. Study semantics, my guy.

[thorny steeple]

Ohhh now I got your point. Uncertainty is part of life.

[grand parrot]

how is two words concluded as a sentence, the only 2 words that is concluded as a sentence is " I am "

[ornate siren]

*are

[grand parrot]

"study semantics, my guy " 🤓

[ornate siren]

Meaningful words.

[thorny steeple]

It's good and it's not, at the same time.

[thorny steeple]

What have you got to say?

[grand parrot]

pov you have nothing to say so u correct the person

[grand parrot]

it's your thoughts so why ask me🤷

[ornate siren]

From a mundane point of view, if you do so, you'll have a hard time making money, marrying, and ultimately living.

[thorny steeple]

Always.

[ornate siren]

Exactly. Learn English.

[thorny steeple]

I asked about your thoughts on time travel not your thoughts on my thoughts.

[grand parrot]

"error 404"

[grand parrot]

okay and i told u that u can make something in your thoughts so why ask me

[thorny steeple]

Surreal, really.

[ornate siren]

Could you please reiterate what you're getting at right now? @thorny steeple

And change that to "undefined".

[thorny steeple]

Yes because I'm almost giving up the chat, lol!

[ornate siren]

Overly philosophising, as Mr. Aleks had said, is disastrous.

[thorny steeple]

Never give up.

The subject was good.

Time travels and reality/truth.

[ornate siren]

Never gonna give you up,
Never gonna let you down.

[thorny steeple]

I appreciate the unexpected humor! 🥰

[ornate siren]

You do so whenever you come here, overly philosophising.

[thorny steeple]

Well Suffi the thing is: sometimes we will be sure about certain things, sometimes not. And we need to be fine with uncertainty.

[thorny steeple]

I find it overwhelmingly stupid to discuss this subject with underqualified people. People here are referring to as he epistemological uncertainty and or limited perception of reality, and arguing about it defies it's own nature.

Sometimes we need to trust.

[ornate siren]

It may help you to relax, but overly philosophising leads some people into existential crises here, I suppose.

[thorny steeple]

Sometimes give the benefit of doubt.

[ornate siren]

You may like to change "underqualified" to "ambiguous".

[thorny steeple]

Everyone gives what they have. Let's invest in those who understands us! 🤣

[thorny steeple]

Hmm maybe.

[ornate siren]

Aristotle and his teacher Plato used to converse on "epistemological uncertainty" and the humanely "limited perception of reality".

These are facts.

We have numerous proofs.

[thorny steeple]

I believe that take something complicated and turn it into something simple to understand is a badass quality. Underrated but very very admirable.

[ornate siren]

We haven't reached the true essence of science due to the lack of appropriate and objective instruments to access it.

Nothing comes out of nothing.

Life is subjective, and so are its instruments.

[thorny steeple]

What do you guys are meaning by telling that life is subjective?

Let's bring a good topic here.

[ornate siren]

That it's ever changing.

[thorny steeple]

Have you read Aristotle's theory on sexual reproduction in humans? It's funny af.

[ornate siren]

Homunculi

[thorny steeple]

???

[thorny steeple]

Well, change is the only constant, right. Haha!

[thorny steeple]

Do you know the basic requirement that has to be fulfilled to be classified as living?

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

No.

Consciousness.

[ornate siren]

Depends. Generally accepted conditions are "should be conscious of changes in the environment" and "should be composed of cells". Mundane POV

[thorny steeple]

That's interesting!

[ornate siren]

Humans evolve, and so do their instruments.

[thorny steeple]

And there are different levels of consciousness.

[ornate siren]

"If we compare a mathematical problem with an immense rock, whose interior we wish to penetrate, then the work of the Greek mathematicians appears to us like that of a robust stonecutter, who, with indefatigable perseverance, attempts to demolish the rock gradually from the outside by means of hammer and chisel; but the modern mathematician resembles an expert miner, who first constructs a few passages through the rock and then explodes it with a single blast, bringing to light its inner treasures."

[ornate siren]

That a living being should not be able to stop changes, but it should know when the changes may occur.

And... I think everyone's gone.

[thorny steeple]

I am here, sorry! I got distracted.

[thorny steeple]

I believe we can feel it.

[ornate siren]

That's why we're living.

[thorny steeple]

Yes. What are your thoughts in this fact of being able to know when changes will occur?

[ornate siren]

And, I would like to know, my dear @thorny steeple, why you avoid my propositions so much.

[ornate siren]

Yours first

[thorny steeple]

I believe some things are obvious and others, the unexpected ones, we can feel it somehow underlying our energies, let's put things this way. The second ones are those who I am more curious about!

[ornate siren]

We really could use worldly topics to discuss, other than just overt philosophy, philosophy, and philosophy.

[ornate siren]

Yes.

[thorny steeple]

I don't know if the expression I used is appropriated but it was the best I could think of, haha!

[ornate siren]

The former appeals directly to our perceptive senses, and the latter brings about a change in our entropies.

[thorny steeple]

Thanks!

Tell me more about "change in our entropies".

I see it as a change in the outer reality.

My interpretation, I mean.

[ornate siren]

The change in our internal energies, brought about by metabolism.

Such changes are conveyed to our senses.

[thorny steeple]

It can be a sign too.

But before the metabolism, energy.

[ornate siren]

So you may classify the former as "direct consciousness" and the latter as "indirect consciousness."

[ornate siren]

Metabolism produces energy.

[thorny steeple]

But energy goes beyond one's metabolism.

It's not this kind of energy I referred.

[ornate siren]

I'm talking about internal energies, but sure.

[ornate siren]

*referred to

[ornate siren]

I understood.

[thorny steeple]

I liked this perspective.

[ornate siren]

You are also including the ways following which we modify our surroundings.

[thorny steeple]

And feel modified by them.

[ornate siren]

I have already included them.

[thorny steeple]

For example that little girl Angelline who can't sleep because unconsciously (now conscious) she knows that a huge change is coming to her reality. She just don't know what it is yet, but she reads her energies and it's suspicious about it could be. 🤣

[ornate siren]

In sensu amplo and from a biological POV, such influences an organism may have on its surroundings may be classified under its "extended phenotype".

[ornate siren]

I think I understand what you're insinuating at.

[ornate siren]

*doesn't know

[thorny steeple]

Oh first person interrupted.

Hahaha

[ornate siren]

The phenotype of an organism is extended to whatever (at least perceptible) effects its genes may have on its surroundings.

[thorny steeple]

I liked the biological approach.

It seems to me like a good metaphor.

[ornate siren]

For example, you know a human settlement when you see one, and understand that it's been built only by humans, and not any other kind of organism.

[thorny steeple]

Noc I will try to sleep.

Thank you for the chat! 🥰

[ornate siren]

Thank you too

Goodbye and good night

[thorny steeple]

Byebyee

[ornate siren]

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

If money and practicality weren’t a problem, what would be the most interesting way to get around town?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[ornate siren]

Electric conveyances. I don't care about interest, just the environment. Do you understand, my dear robotic friend?

[sick hedge]

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[ornate siren]

Mmmm..... WUT?

[ornate siren]

Who am I talking to, anyways? An unresponsive substance, perhaps. I'll just leave to stop looking like a madman.

[lavish finch]

Sure, let's try. How about;

"Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo."

[ornate siren]

But I understand that sentence, for I've read Borgmann's book.

Here's a similar one: "Police police police police (can be similarly extended).

[ornate siren]

Buffaloes (or buffalo) from Buffalo, NY, bully (or buffalo) other buffaloes also from Buffalo, NY, which, in turn, ALSO bully other buffaloes from Buffalo, NY.

"That" is omitted in the sentence (not colloquially) incorrect which ought to be inserted at the beginning of the last clause.

[lavish finch]

Ok, let’s try another;

“Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.”

[ornate siren]

Know that. Chomsky, I suppose.

Let me check.

Yes.

Grammatically correct, but overly ambiguous in meaning.

Good choice.

[lavish finch]

It’s more accurate to say that it is nonsense than ambiguous.

[ornate siren]

Maybe

[lavish finch]

Maybe?

Where is the ambiguity?

[ornate siren]

Not from a poet's POV

But then, everyone isn't a poet.

The first two adjectives form an oxymoron, yes.

[lavish finch]

Ambi means two. What are the two meanings? You won’t find them because they don’t exist.

[ornate siren]

Ambiguous can also mean equivocal, "open to more than one interpretation".

The essence doesn't always correspond to the etymology.

But surely, you must have an interpretation of your own?

[lavish finch]

Then you have moved the goal posts. The request was for a complex sentence that cannot be understood. Not for one that can be interpreted. Anything can be interpreted. I suggest there is an important distinction between understanding and interpretation.

[ornate siren]

I suppose so, yes.

I'm prone to digression, I agree.

[lavish finch]

The point is, it's possible to have grammatical complexity, i.e. syntax, without semantic meaning.

[ornate siren]

Yes.

[lavish finch]

Speaking of poetry, here's another;

"Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe."

[ornate siren]

I was just asking, otherwise, I wouldn't have commented: "good choice."

[ornate siren]

Lewis Carroll is a man of fantasy.

Still is, because fantasy is evermore in Man.

But some words have directly been borrowed from Saxon, like "brillig"

[ornate siren]

This is very fine, if I may say so.

The first 3 lines follow iambic tetrameter perfectly, and I suppose the last has been written in trochaic trimeter.

[lavish finch]

Let's try one more;

[ornate siren]

Looks like a CAPTCHA

Some ancient script, I suppose

I'll confess I can't understand it.

[lavish finch]

It's an example of an ancient writing system that has not been deciphered by anyone yet.

[ornate siren]

I've read about Linear A and Linear B.

Proto-Elamite, Indus scripts, etc.

[lavish finch]

Are you implying that reading about it is the same as understanding the sentence?

[ornate siren]

Nope, just read about the facts about the scripts.

[ornate siren]

I think I'm developing an intense urge to compare it to.... Proto-Phoenician or something like that. A very ancient Canaanite language. But that won't happen.

[lavish finch]

Are you implying that there is no such thing as a complex sentence which cannot be understood?

[ornate siren]

I'm not implying anything. I agree that such scripts haven't been deciphered and understood yet. Who knows, maybe they will someday. I say that a sentence written in a familiar script is open to numerous interpretations, whether favourable or not to the author.

[lavish finch]

You're not implying anything. Perhaps in lieu of understanding the sentence you want to remind us that you know something.

[ornate siren]

I don't know how to understand unfamiliar scripts without learning them, but know to interpret and/or understand familiar ones.

[lavish finch]

Reminds me of the story of the man one dark night looking around on the floor under the light of a street lamp. When asked if he was looking for his keys, replied "No. I didn't lose my keys over here. I lost them somewhere over there." "Then why are you looking over here?" "Because there's no light over there."

[ornate siren]

No similarity whatsoever

[lavish finch]

And yet according to you, we can have interpretations that count as meaningful understanding.

You analyze the iambic tetrameter of the line, as if that's the meaning.

[ornate siren]

What? No

Just statements

[lavish finch]

Oh, you're just making statements that have no connection to the points I'm making.

[ornate siren]

Yes. I told you, I'm prone to digression sometimes.

Please correct me if you'd like to.

[ornate siren]

Scientific understanding is objective, but humans haven't reached that. We subjective humans have been approximating every observation so that they conform to our senses. Our instruments to assess those observations are subjective themselves, as we've created them. The complete truth hasn't been touched yet (but we know that there's something like this, because we sometimes fail to make the ends of our assessments meet with what we see; we then strive to modify those assessments). In this way, human observation is subjective, if you ask me. On the other hand, such subjective observation is a kind of interpretation (which is always relative and/or subjective) and vice versa (but not if you take objective observation into consideration).

But yes, said instruments are improving in accuracy.

Metaphorically:

"If we compare a mathematical problem with an immense rock, whose interior we wish to penetrate, then the work of the Greek mathematicians appears to us like that of a robust stonecutter, who, with indefatigable perseverance, attempts to demolish the rock gradually from the outside by means of hammer and chisel; but the modern mathematician resembles an expert miner, who first constructs a few passages through the rock and then explodes it with a single blast, bringing to light its inner treasures."

[lavish finch]

Are you interested in getting responses that are connected to the points you're making?

[ornate siren]

Everyone is, but I expect little, occasional digressions also.

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[ornate siren]

Hello

Klaus

[thorny steeple]

Hello Nocturnal

How are you?

[ornate siren]

I'm not fine really

I've a fever, so I'm going to rest for some time now

Bye everyone, leave your comments on mine if you like

(Leaving)

[lavish finch]

Bye Nocturnal. Get some rest and hope you feel better.

Hi Klaus

Are you still here?

Is anyone here?

No?

In that case, I'll build our space.

Let's put it on the sea.

On the edge of a cliff.

Grassy green bluffs overlooking a deep blue sea.

A large old tree rooted into the ground at the edge.

And an outdoor stone amphitheater

expanding in larger and larger semi circles of stone benches

with walls on either side

And arched entranceways

connected by a dirt path through the grassy ground

I'll sit there on one of the stone benches.

[thorny steeple]

I hope you are well Nocturnal.See you later.Bye.

[lavish finch]

Hi Klaus. Who are you talking to? Nocturnal? He left about 15 min ago. Not feeling well.

Welcome to Poseidon's Echo.

Also known as Serious Chat.

I'm just rearranging the scenery.

Are you still there?

Sorry for asking that question again and again.

I'm blind, you see.

I don't hear you anymore, so I guess you've gone.

I can hear the sound of the ocean surf below.

Rising and falling on rocks

[edgy falcon]

hello sir

[lavish finch]

Hello

[edgy falcon]

it was an interesting conversation between you and nocturnal

[lavish finch]

You're interested in language and understanding?

[edgy falcon]

sure, but my level is not enough to speak at the pace you were and I also lack grammar.

but i like this magnificent language and am trying to improve

[lavish finch]

What is your native language?

[edgy falcon]

russian

[lavish finch]

Русский

[edgy falcon]

russian is a beautiful language as well, but unfortunately over the last 2 years the perspective of spreading it is distressing

великолепно

[edgy falcon]

🎉

i have a question for you sir, if you dont mind

[lavish finch]

How long have you been studying English?

[edgy falcon]

about 11 months

[lavish finch]

Go ahead and ask me your question.

[edgy falcon]

currently i'm about C1, but i want to improve myself. i'm choosing keywords(the last words i learnt) and trying to write a message(usually messages like "good morning" or "good night") using these keywords. then i'm asking chatgpt to write the same sentence using the same keywords, and compare my message to its.

How do you think it is a good method to get better ? or i should try something else

[lavish finch]

You managed to reach C1 level English in one year.

[edgy falcon]

something like that

[lavish finch]

That's very fast.

[edgy falcon]

well my friend was learning as well, and i had a rival. as we know competing is one of the best methods to learn anything

[lavish finch]

13 minutes

[edgy falcon]

so what do you think about that method ?

[lavish finch]

I don't think you need my advice on how to learn a language.

You seem to be doing quite alright.

[edgy falcon]

thanks sir. i was a bit afraid that the things i'm learning are useless, but as i understood i have nothing to be worried about.

[lavish finch]

What gave you the idea it was useless?

[edgy falcon]

anxiety of losing time

[thorny steeple]

Hello again.No problem James.Thank very much for you Information.

[lavish finch]

Based on what evidence?

[edgy falcon]

forsooth...

[thorny steeple]

About Nocturnal..

[lavish finch]

What are your goals, Stoney?

[edgy falcon]

the closest goal i have is to get C2, and i'm actively trying to accomplish that goal

[edgy falcon]

i started because i needed it for programming but now i just like how it sounds and it's wide vocabulary

[lavish finch]

What do you mean, suffi? I don't think anyone said Russian is easy.

[edgy falcon]

well i had that notion until i read 19th century literature

it is hard...

[cerulean sentinel]

I’ve been learning English for almost all my life and I’m on B2+/C1. Congrats!

[edgy falcon]

but as long as russian is my native language i have no right to judge because... it think it wont be proper judgment

[lavish finch]

At your level, I think the best thing to do is to read.

[cerulean sentinel]

I can agree as a person who knows Slavic language

[fair bane]

Anyone learning japanese here?

[cerulean sentinel]

I do

[edgy falcon]

thank you for the advice, i'll do my best

[lavish finch]

Yes, I speak Japanese.

[fair bane]

oh great, I just started to learn japanese but the alphabets are so complicated to me. Do you have any suggestion to me ?

[cerulean sentinel]

What resources do you use?

[lavish finch]

I lived in Japan for a long time.

[cerulean sentinel]

To learn Japanese

[merry aurora]

wooow

[fair bane]

I am using Genki 1, duolingo and an application called Learn Japanese

[fair bane]

good for you man

[merry aurora]

i like it i'm arab

[cerulean sentinel]

You can learn Japanese alphabet using Duolingo. It’s a good option tho I think learning so many letters at the same time may be problematic.

[thorny steeple]

I have a friend,he speaks several languages,including arabic.In my case first English, after maybe German...

[fair bane]

I am learning better from books sources. Are you using any book for learning? And Do you think Genki 1 is good?

[merry aurora]

yes arabic needs to lean letter by letter

[lavish finch]

Arabic is difficult.

[thorny steeple]

English also difficult...

[lavish finch]

What's your native language, Klaus?

[thorny steeple]

Spanish

[lavish finch]

It's nice that at least we all have our native languages for free.

Where are you from?

[full river]

Hi

[lavish finch]

I have many Spanish speaking students.

[full river]

Came to read messages

[cerulean sentinel]

I was talking about Japanese

[flint horizon]

Im kurdish

[full river]

Interesting to hear you speak different languages. Entertaining 🙃

[cerulean sentinel]

It’s up to you tbh, I don’t use many books to learn a language. For me mobile applications work better but you can do your research on the internet and check out what’s recommended for learning Japanese in this case.

[full river]

(leaving)

[thorny steeple]

A man told me, learn language not came to latin is more difficult...

[flint horizon]

Yeah

[fair bane]

Thank you

[cerulean sentinel]

どういたしまして

[thorny steeple]

Difficult but no imposible, nothing is impossible..

[lavish finch]

Hello Zay. Where in Kurdistan are you from?

[flint horizon]

From duhok

[flint horizon]

How you can speak kurdish?

[lavish finch]

How long have you been learning English?

[flint horizon]

Since my childhood

[lavish finch]

I am teaching a group of Kurdish refugees from Turkey.

[humble lion]

Is that kurmanci?

[lavish finch]

"Ez mamostetiya komeke penaberên kurd ên ji Tirkiyê dikim"

I don't know. You tell me.

[lavish finch]

Do you know what level of English you are?

[thorny steeple]

In my case,I left to school very early and some years ago,I like to learn english...

[flint horizon]

Are you kurd?

[humble lion]

Nice, wish you all the best.., i speak a different kurdish dialect, i would've loved helping if i could

[lavish finch]

Me? No, I'm from New York, in the United States. I'm American.

[flint horizon]

Sorani or bahdini?

[lavish finch]

Klaus, did you see my question? What country are you from? ¿De qué país eres?

[humble lion]

Sorani

[flint horizon]

Nice to see someone speaks our language

[flint horizon]

Hahah I’m bahdini but i like Sorani dialogue

[thorny steeple]

I'm from Canary Islands, Spain.Do you know Canary Islands?

[lavish finch]

Of course.

[sharp panther]

Hii, how many languages do you speak @lavish finch ?

[thorny steeple]

Have you ever been Canary Islands?

[lavish finch]

Where Darwin visited.

[lavish finch]

There is really only one human language.

[humble lion]

Awesome, unlike kurmanci i think we guys understand eachother lol

[sharp panther]

because i see you here talking more than 1 language, sorry for the question

[lavish finch]

Where are you from Mary Jane?

[sharp panther]

Portugal

[flint horizon]

Hahhah yeah

[lavish finch]

I want to go to portugal very much.

[sharp panther]

😮 nicely done

wow

[flint horizon]

I can speak 4 languages

[lavish finch]

Thank you. You are very kind.

[thorny steeple]

This conversation is very interesting...

[sharp panther]

that is amazing. i only now english (but i need to improve a lot), a little bit of spanish and japanese

*know

[flint horizon]

What is you native language

[lavish finch]

Please demonstrate your japanese for me.

[thorny steeple]

But,I'd like to speak...

I would like speak english...

[sharp panther]

omg..really? im afraid to talk xD

[sharp panther]

its portuguese

you are gentil too @lavish finch thank you and you all are very nice too here

[edgy falcon]

I know 4 languages, but one of them I know on A2 (russian, english, georgian and armenian)

[sharp panther]

wow

armenian?

[flint horizon]

Who can speak Persian?

[edgy falcon]

yeah

[lavish finch]

Would anyone like to join me in sending a voice message?

[sharp panther]

i dont know that language

armenian

i can say hello in portuguese

[flint horizon]

Hahah it is an interesting language

[edgy falcon]

hello, pretty good weather today(in georgian)

[sharp panther]

omg amazing @edgy falcon

[edgy falcon]

Georgian is an easy language to learn the basics, but quite difficult if you try to delve into the grammar

[lavish finch]

What language is that? Russian or Georgian?

[edgy falcon]

georgian

[lavish finch]

How do you say hello in Georgian? gamarjoba?

[edgy falcon]

yes

[edgy falcon]

almost correct

[thorny steeple]

I have to go now.See you later.Bye.

[sharp panther]

byee

[lavish finch]

Bye Klaus

Where in Portugal are you from, Mary Jane?

[sharp panther]

i think i cant send audios

[sharp panther]

Lisbon

[lavish finch]

Lisbon is so beautiful

[static pivot]

Hello serious members!

[lavish finch]

Just the man I wanted to see.

[full river]

Same. No option for sending voice messages. What could be the reason

[grand jolt]

Damn

What a squad

[static pivot]

@full river now you can

[grand jolt]

Idk British

[static pivot]

We have to be serious

[edgy falcon]

khm

[edgy falcon]

🤌

[thorny steeple]

Now it's serious voice chat.

[thorny steeple]

Morrissey!!!

[static pivot]

🍔

[vernal crypt]

My voice isn't serious enough for these shenanigans

[vernal crypt]

TBF Morrissey isn't a very nice person😅

[thorny steeple]

Really? I don't know much about him, I just know the songs.

[static pivot]

Send voices

[thorny steeple]

But Vive say it's not like his voice.

[thorny steeple]

For me is very similarr

[vernal crypt]

Your turn!
Post a voice!!

[thorny steeple]

[vernal crypt]

So adorable 😍

Sometimes

[static pivot]

Lmao

The expression

[static pivot]

Lemme send it to hall of fame

[static pivot]

Middle of wat?

Do like angelline, omg hahaha

[grand jolt]

Cute

[thorny steeple]

Thank youuu

[static pivot]

Yeah, for now we are just testing out voice feature

[grand jolt]

Angelline would you marry me

[thorny steeple]

Dat fassssst???

I guess I've been requested to marry at least 10 times here in Hub 🤣🤣🤣

[thorny steeple]

Thank you!!!

[ornate siren]

Not at the right time.

When did I give that information?

[vernal crypt]

Middle Of none of your beeswax 😎😂😂

Jk.
I was eating

[static pivot]

[vernal crypt]

Beeswax: a silly colloquialism for business
None of your business
None of your beeswax
Often used by children in the US
Possibly also in the UK

[static pivot]

Thank you!

[ornate siren]

Because I currently have a fever.

If you can remind me, you may. I'll check it out later.

The channel is at its most serious when Mr. Green, you, I and Mr. Aleks are here.

But at its funniest and most enjoyable (to the layman, at least) when Angelline, Vivek, justanotherday, etc. are here. Do I always have to miss the best things? Including the voice messages? To blazes with the fever, I should have stayed up.

[cursive estuary]

let's escape Samsara

[vernal crypt]

Get well soon!

[ornate siren]

@thorny steeple Hey, you can tell me what you wanted to, now.

But you're not here. By the way, have performed chi-square analyses in genetics?

I'm looking forward to sending some voice messages here soon. I know Spanish, some (French, German, Italian and Latin), inter alia (but can read those splendidly).

[ornate siren]

By the way,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X9LvC9WkkQ

[jade hamlet]

Oh finally someone listening to classical music

[jade hamlet]

Do you like bach

[thorny steeple]

Erik Satie is life

[jade hamlet]

I havent heard him thanks I will listen him now but have you ever listen goldberg variations I love it soo much

[ornate siren]

Very much, yes.

[thorny steeple]

nooo, what do they play?

[frosty parcel]

This is the title of a music by Bach

[thorny steeple]

Ohhh excuse my ignorance haha I never got into Bach

I'll check him out. Definitely need it right now, I'm so stressed about life

[jade hamlet]

whyy wanna talk about it

[cinder prawn]

Hi

I am a newbie here

[thorny steeple]

It just sucks. I'm supposed to be making good money but I struggle to buy myself things. Like, I'm just making money to barely survive and I feel lonely and dissatisfied with everything and everyone, it sucks

I know it's just a bad streak but that's how it feels sometimes

[jade hamlet]

wait wait it sounds familiar You didn't live in Turkey, did you? :D

[cold island]

[unkempt basin]

hi

[graceful plaza]

Hello goodest prettyest turk gril how are u??

[unkempt basin]

you silly girl actually you are the goodest

i'm doing well, what about you?

[graceful plaza]

İm good thanks :> ||İm here as a guest and I hate it please help ||

[unkempt basin]

why

[ornate siren]

Okay, but I was studying. I am going to sleep right now.

[boreal marsh]

Hi My name Mohammed
I'm senior customer service
I'm here to improve my English level
from Egypt

[ornate siren]

Crude cretins, this is not the place for egregious English and equally bad, sexually annoying messages. Go away.

[ornate siren]

And especially you.

Because he can't effectively moderate the messages?

Exactly.

@static pivot you should reserve a place for these fools in the general chat.

I'm gonna sleep as well, goodbye.

[grand jolt]

Why do twitter idiots hate on mr beast for painting Russia along with crimea in his last video

[static pivot]

Will do

[thorny steeple]

No haha Mexico, but I guess it's the same everywhere huh

[autumn oyster]

Bro how do I put back my symbol to pre.ium

[thorny steeple]

That just made me feel better actually haha There's this rapper Eyedea that once said in a song "I'm lonely, but everyone is lonely so at least I know I'm not alone"

[static pivot]

@autumn oyster done

[autumn oyster]

How

[static pivot]

Just dont have booster roles

[autumn oyster]

Thx

Is there any kinda subscription available

On this channel

Other than booster

[thorny steeple]

lemme guess, the country is Sri Lanka?

[autumn oyster]

The subscription says that I can joined full channel

[autumn oyster]

Yup my Buddy

But born in saudi

[thorny steeple]

and your family is tamil migrant

[autumn oyster]

They are both native Arabic speaker and tamil too

[thorny steeple]

immigrant*

[autumn oyster]

Srilankan

We can have the chat at somthn else

This is serious

[thorny steeple]

is this not the channel for serious chat already

[autumn oyster]

Ok

[thorny steeple]

we discuss serious topics here

[autumn oyster]

Bro it's getting me lame 5 sends to cool down

Like*

[thorny steeple]

why is the slomo activated. we have not even started chatting yet

it usually takes minutes of active conversation to activate it

or am I wrong

[autumn oyster]

Idk

[thorny steeple]

5 seconds of slomo ruins my 5 years of hardwork, 150 WPM

Anyway

Good night, I am going to sleep

[autumn oyster]

U srilankan

And if u are aybuwan

[lavish finch]

Slow mode is active for only 5 seconds.

[edgy falcon]

if you are talking about serious and complex topics, you will have to spend those 5 seconds to write a sentence. am I wrong?

[lavish finch]

Fast paced banter is available in pretty much all other channels of the group.

[lavish finch]

Please don't insult our guests.

As an alternative, you might explore your irritation with me as a moderator of the channel allowing the serious chat to be less serious than you want it to be.

Welcome back, suffi.

[static pivot]

Its all good.

[left oak]

hello there

[edgy falcon]

i bid thee welcome

[lavish finch]

I invite you to imagine that this space is outdoors

[slate mesa]

A fellow Eyedea-fan? Big ups!

[lavish finch]

here

[edgy falcon]

balanced humidity and gusts of chill wind are making air more fresh

the dawning sun emerges, casting its golden embrace upon the world

Its tender rays carry the promise of warmth and new beginnings, illuminating the path ahead.

[edgy falcon]

trying to add atmosphere 🫠

[lavish finch]

Thank you! Love it! I'm leaving to teach now. Enjoy.

(leaving)

[edgy falcon]

true.

[thorny steeple]

Crazy to know that! Gotta keep his legacy alive

[edgy falcon]

embrace the night's tender cuddle, leaving calumny behind. in its depths, find your predilection for dreams woven by the whimsical weaver. as stars cradle the celestial whelps, tangible enchantment unfolds. rest, while the universe paints its droll masterpiece. good night.

[shell belfry]

Hello

Everyone

[shell belfry]

Hellllllloooooooo

[cursive estuary]

hello Mr.

[ornate igloo]

Hy

[thorny steeple]

Speak like Yoda, let's everyone here. Shall we?!

[grand parrot]

😭😭

am i supposed to get confused

[cursive estuary]

guys have you feel the when the when me when the? sometimes I do honestly

[dusky lark]

?

[cursive estuary]

wdym with '?' ?

[thorny steeple]

Because your message was confusing ah

[cursive estuary]

I see, so you guys haven't feel like that, I understand it do be like that sometimes

[merry grove]

Hi guys

what is the topic here

[lucid yoke]

Serious topics

[cursive estuary]

we are talking about the when the when me when the

but guys here have not experience it with for me its quite disturbing

[silent garden]

The what?

[tardy sky]

I'm having problem, i think discord is far worse dopamine source compared to the other platform. i should be on VC right now but instead I'm here wasting my time chatting on a meaningless meme channel

[cursive estuary]

I feel the same

[tardy sky]

#💭｜general is the biggest distraction here i gained nothing talking there for an hour. it's more like a trauma dump channel

[cursive estuary]

yeah I know it's a waste of time honestly, you tell yourself, I will use discord just for learning, then you waste your time like is nothing lmao

[tardy sky]

@cursive estuary we need to refocus our goal on joining discord. it's not to have fun but to learn i like to have both but i need to focus on the learning part first

[thorny steeple]

We are all in the same boat, but honestly?! I met a lot of fun and cool people here, so I guess for a person like me who's always working, reading and studying, it's a cool place to hang out when I can't go out with my friends in real life. 🥰

And I'm also singing better due to Discord. 🤣

Gaining more confidence, even when I'm very bad at this.

[cursive estuary]

you rejected my marital proposal tho

[tardy sky]

@thorny steeple glad you're having a positive results!

[thorny steeple]

You have a lot of wifeys don't need another one.

[cursive estuary]

Fr bro let's keep things study related only and stop procrastinating our future at the verge of failure

[tardy sky]

yeah bro don't let some girl named angelline distract us!

i found the true evil here. now i'm in peace

[cursive estuary]

lmao

[thorny steeple]

And I guess Discord is like: one time is good, other time is not, then it's good, then it's not.

Ok I'm leaving

[cursive estuary]

I will leave too gotta study Русский see you later, hope you guys can stay focused and disciplined

[ornate siren]

@thorny steeple Why does everyone want to marry you?

[thorny steeple]

I have no idea but this happens in real life too. 😅

[ornate siren]

You must be lucky (according to popular opinion).

[thorny steeple]

I think they're just kidding 😂

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[fathom lagoon]

A bot wanted to marry her

[ornate siren]

The scene opens in a Bohemian ghetto. An amateurish teenager, newly introduced to society with a dollar in his pocket, a head full of dreams, and to the prospect of rearing himself alone, becomes jealous of the lavish life he sees a rich man lead. He says “somehow, some way, it gotta get better than this”. Suddenly he buys a gun, out of purely reckless bravado, kills the man by putting the gun against his head and pulling his trigger so as to declare him dead. Once the deed is done, however, he finds himself racked with confusion, paranoia, and disgust. He steals a car, tries to run but he doesn’t get far, as he finds his theoretical justifications lose all their power as he struggles with guilt and horror and is confronted with both internal and external consequences of his deed. He deems his soul spoilt, impoverished and useless. At last, in penitence, he resorts to his old and ignorant mother to beg forgiveness at least from her (whom he thought had been the incarnation of God Himself), saying “Mama, just killed a man…” whereupon his “mama” cries, both in sorrow and joy (more in the former than the latter), joy that the crowd hadn’t gathered round the angry young man and he didn't have to keep his face down, with a gun in his hand, and die out of regret and pain in public. We shouldn't let such young hearts be so wildly free tonight (every night, in fact).

(Not ChatGPT, just felt like it)

[thorny steeple]

Well done Noc! @ornate siren

[ornate siren]

What songs do you think I referred to?

[thorny steeple]

Queen

I'm sure there are others but I'm sleepy now. 😂

[ornate siren]

Rod Stewart's "Young Turks", Elvis's "In The Ghetto", Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody"

[thorny steeple]

Good! I'm always with the song @full river suggested me in mind: "I can't help falling in love with you", Elvis.

It's a cute song.

[ornate siren]

*Can't Help Falling In Love

[thorny steeple]

I don't listen to Queen too much.

It's not my taste, it was of my uncle, lol!

[ornate siren]

I've sung that while playing the guitar many a time.

[thorny steeple]

Record itttt!!! I want to hear! 😍

[ornate siren]

Looking forward to doing so.

This fever.

[thorny steeple]

Are you still sick? 🥺😔

I hope you recover fasssssst! 🥰

[ornate siren]

Yo, your genetics

By the way, someone told me yesterday, "you and suffi are like the guard dogs of the serious chat".

Please.

[tardy sky]

thank you

[ornate siren]

Quieter than usual

Quieter by far, actually

I've been here for 5 hours

Where is everyone? Where y'all gone?

Suffi's still working on that fantastical essay, angels are rushing in where fools love to tread.

[tardy sky]

@ornate siren all this meant is you need to touch some grass. it's harsh but it's the truth

i'm gonna leave this server for now, i can't focus. i kept getting baited into shitposting

[ornate siren]

No touching grass, I've been studying for 5 hours, I mean. With Discord open in the background.

[tardy sky]

[edgy falcon]

actually same

[thorny steeple]

[robust merlin]

Hello, So, I need some help regarding, starting to talk with girls, in my School I was forced to develop a mindset that I shouldn't talk to my opposite gender at any cost. But gender barrier shouldn't be there in communication, particularly for an engineer, so could anyone please anyone help me with it?

[blissful prawn]

hi you can first go street and ask question for exampel address or like this then you try it evry day you can talk with grils

[vernal crypt]

Do you want to talk to girls in a platonic fashion
Or to flirt?

[robust merlin]

Umm, actually I wanna talk to my own classmates.

[vernal crypt]

But to flirt because you're attracted or just like you would to your male friends?

[robust merlin]

Platonic. I just wanna remove my gender gap.

[vernal crypt]

That's a mindset
Don't see them as girls
Just think of them as human beings ..
Like you

[robust merlin]

But 10 years of schooling, it was like I got brainwashed. It's easier to think , but hard to do.

I tried talking but they're like, I was too weird.

[vernal crypt]

Just practice
They won't bite

You are
But so are they

All kids are weird and insecure and they get mean to cover up that insecurity.

[robust merlin]

Is there any easier way to start?

[vernal crypt]

Just keep it simple...

Like..

"Sup. 👋 Hey, did you write down that homework assignment in Mr so n So's class? Mind if I get that from you?

Like that

Then the next time...
Say hey.
How's it?

Just keep it simple

[robust merlin]

Actually for 4 years, I didn't even talk to anyone. It took 1 year for me to talk with guys normally.

[vernal crypt]

Don't be too wordy

[vernal crypt]

So see
You'll get there with the girls
Just don't look at them like girls
And be... Elusive
Like
Mysterious

But in a nonchalant way

[robust merlin]

But I made my own notes and assignments. Ig "Do you watch anime?" is a better start?

[vernal crypt]

Now
I gotta go
I have a hawt date

[robust merlin]

Oh, sure! Thank you.

[grand parrot]

hi

haha

[edgy falcon]

usually girls are reading books so you can ask them about that

[robust merlin]

I read books too, books like what? (Mostly?)

[edgy falcon]

uh depends. the best variation is classic, but some people enjoy detective stories or fantasy.

[novel bronze]

hello i guys 🫡
i have just finished an english level test
during the interview while im doing so well and im so happy that im fluent and calm suddenly i spoke a couple of arabic words
i can tell u it was totally a Slurred speech . the teacher looked at me then at the end gave me b1 intermediate 🥲

i think that i need to be more fluent i need more practice

[gentle junco]

@novel bronze yeaah same problem here , I need to practise my speaking skills cuz i'm arab too hhh

[novel bronze]

i cant tell u the way he looked at me he was surprised

[civic reef]

i would be surprised too, if someone told me few arabic words

[novel bronze]

i was doing well

i need more practice

[thorny steeple]

that sucks man, I've got kinda the same problem, it's difficult to get fluent when you don't have much opportunities to speak

[gentle junco]

Yeah with practice nchallah next time u'll do well don't worry

[gentle junco]

Yeaah that's the actual problem

Personally I'm really good at writing and I have a large vocab but when it comes to speaking I usually mess up cuz I didn't have much opportunities to talk or to speak a different language from mine which is arabic

[grand parrot]

am i supposed to get confused as a beginner

haha lmao

[ornate siren]

Hol' up... what?

[ornate siren]

Hello, Mr. @lavish finch, what do you think of this sentence: "Life is too serious to be taken seriously." (just asking)?

[grand parrot]

you're not talking to me but that doesn't make sense

[thorny steeple]

just had my very first conversation irl with a guy in 5 years. This was something I really needed to hear 👍

[kind python]

Congrats

[digital reef]

👋🏻

[thorny steeple]

tbh it wasn't just one guy, we were a group. It was alright but I still didn't feel like I was contributing enough to the conversation due to awkwardness

hope that washes away over time

[digital reef]

thats cool)

[kind python]

It's okay you're trying and that's all you need atm

[thorny steeple]

That's exactly how I hopped into a group chat, only I let the guy ask me that 😂

[thorny steeple]

I feel really nervous and low on confidence. I have developed a mindset that 'they will ignore me, if i said something' and that actually sometimes ends up true. because i lack the charisma with which I approach the guys

You got to have confidence in yourself as well as your abilities in order to approach an opposite gender especially

[kind python]

I can relate to that I'm a big introvert but my spontaneous self beats me to it so yeah

[thorny steeple]

yes balance is important. make your points and let the other person make theirs as well. but how you execute is where all the catch is

it comes from practice

[kind python]

I'm not that good when it comes to the opposite gender but I'm okay with the Bois

[thorny steeple]

but what if you end up falling for the person 🥲

[thorny steeple]

Imo interaction with the opposite gender boosts your confidence as well as charisma

it puts you in a new light. Almost everyone is as uncomfortable as you but if you are able to do what 90% can't do,

[kind python]

Well sometimes it gives me the opposite

[thorny steeple]

that's when you are not used to it lol

[robust merlin]

Aight, sure.

[robust merlin]

Oh, okay. It depends on them too, ig.

[thorny steeple]

I have the same story, coincidentally

[kind python]

Yea covid made it even harder for me to gain confidence while talking to the opposite gender

[robust merlin]

Oh, are you currently fine with them right now?

[thorny steeple]

I still feel bouts of guilt even on my slightest of intereactions with guys

[odd cloak]

Hello

[robust merlin]

Mine was extreme tho, like they don't even allow us to talk with kids.

[robust merlin]

.....

I feel anxious when I'm with kids too.

I don't play with them, nor tell their parents that they were cute.

[thorny steeple]

now that's complicated

[robust merlin]

Yes, but I can't interact with them.

[thorny steeple]

children are the most selfless creatures and most ignorant. They don't judge you rather they take everything in a positive light and also remember it for long

[kind python]

The environment you live in can make things difficult

[robust merlin]

Honestly, I don't find them cute. I believe they have great imagination, but still it feels uncomfortable while interacting with them.

[thorny steeple]

true it takes time to adapt to things

[robust merlin]

Yes, I know they are innocent.

It's like they're weird. I didn't see them for 8 years, straight.

But now I practiced playing with them.

[thorny steeple]

where have you been living fr

[robust merlin]

A hostel in India, they're very strict.

[kind python]

Oh that's why , you just arevnot used to it with time it will come back naturally

[robust merlin]

Yes, I'm trying harder to get used to it.

[thorny steeple]

[robust merlin]

Yeah, sure. They don't play with me tho cuz I was being a little weird, and I'm working on it.

I went to psychiatrist, she said Autism.

[dim cypress]

Hii

[thorny steeple]

People who cannot intereact with the opposite gender suffer from Autism?

[kind python]

Not necessarily

[thorny steeple]

Indians go to psychiatrist?

[robust merlin]

No, but I found out that my ancestors had Autism too.

Yes.

[thorny steeple]

I see

well in general try to see the world in a positive light, be kind to others nd expect kindness in return.

[kind python]

For Asia and the middle East going to psychiatrist means one thing you're crazy

[robust merlin]

Yes, since it's only at the beginning of spectrum, I cured it myself.

[thorny steeple]

yea Our parents are enough for that lol

[robust merlin]

Expect kindness in return? I don't think so.

[kind python]

Yea depression doesn't exist in my parents's dictionary lol

Bye bye 👋🏻

[robust merlin]

Cya, Thanks

It was hard until I get used to it.

[thorny steeple]

it may be hard to but it leaves you with a distorted outlook on life

[robust merlin]

All I did was study for exams, but didn't have a single life skill.

[thorny steeple]

was it JEE

[robust merlin]

Yeah.

[robust merlin]

Yes.

But I was not getting Computer science, so I chose NFSU.

You're from India too?

[thorny steeple]

is that an NIT?

[kind python]

For one second I saw NFSU as NSFW idk why my brain goes there

[thorny steeple]

yes

[robust merlin]

No, National Forensic Sciences University.

[thorny steeple]

you need to practice self control and meditation more

[robust merlin]

Nice.

[robust merlin]

True, Meditation reduced my social anxiety.

[kind python]

Self control is there it's just that my mind corrupted form all the dark knowledge that I acquired From the internet

[thorny steeple]

I see.!

[thorny steeple]

I have it on my to do list too, but I always fall into the trap of thinking that these things do not work

[thorny steeple]

dark knowledge is a fancy thing

I gtg as well

See ya

[kind python]

Cya

[ornate siren]

Lively talk that I missed

[vernal crypt]

@ornate siren
Life is too serious to be taken seriously means
Lighten up
Have enough humour to keep life enjoyable
And definitely don't take everyone and everything so serious.

I'm not sure why you'd ask another user here about my status

[kind python]

Hi there

I have a small question why girasole?

[ornate siren]

Hmm, figured so

Hit our heads with hammers

[kind python]

I read and play some video games beside trying to keep up with the training

What about you ?

Oh okay no pressure feel free to do what you like to do

[ocean leaf]

how can i get prepared for interviews, its different flow when 2 people speaking any advice?

[vernal crypt]

Try practicing in here
In a VC channel

[vernal crypt]

No.
You're wrong.
You didn't understand the meaning.
That's ok
I don't expect you to until you're older

It's also something my mother would say
I ask you politely not to disrespect her.

Thank you.

[keen moon]

It's good to remember the quote from Seneca: 'We suffer more in our imagination than in reality'

[wary temple]

Hello guys
I want some tips to help me move from b1 to b2 /c1

[lavish finch]

We do suffer a lot in our imagination.

And I agree that it is a frame we put on ourselves.

We think of ourselves as a person who is suffering. And we create suffering for ourselves by doing that.

We might even miss the fact that we are enjoying something because our belief that we are a person who suffers is so strong.

It doesn’t mean that suffering is not real. It’s very real.

But it’s useful to distinguish between real feelings and beliefs which can create feelings based on a kind of imagined or secondary reality.

However, belief is quite personal.

If you try to push someone out of their beliefs they are more likely to hold onto them more strongly.

Telling someone that they’re suffering isn’t real isn’t the best strategy.

People like to make up their own minds about what is real and what isn’t.

That’s where we can come together if we are also investigating our own beliefs rather than trying to manage the beliefs of other people.

[keen moon]

Perhaps we opt to suffer because it's simpler to embrace victimhood than to acknowledge to ourselves that we have the ability to address the sources of our suffering.

[lavish finch]

I’m gonna stop you there.

Feel free to present your own definitions and speak to the whole group.

[vernal crypt]

It's an expression my mother had
It's not up for debate

[lavish finch]

This is not a space to harass people about their beliefs.

[ornate siren]

Hello