🧠｜serious-chat

[pallid surge]

No offense; but this is a terrible definition of consciousness.

Cause it's literally arguing on probability.

[white shard]

chrisrtianity is just another trendy religion

[pallid surge]

consciousness just means being aware; and responding to your experiences of which you are able to precieve.

[white shard]

I apologize if I offend you in any way, but it's the truth that it was created recently

[loud sonnet]

yeah terrible in the dictonary of human beings.
But perfect in the dictonary of universe.

[white shard]

later than other religions

[loud sonnet]

you never read about consciousness do you?

[loud sonnet]

i am not chiristan ?

[white shard]

even if we take Islam

[loud sonnet]

i am not muslim

[white shard]

still younger than belief in spirits

doesn't matter

[loud sonnet]

yeah it doesn't and i am not offended. 😂

[white shard]

I am addressing the religions that have the idea of a creator

[pallid surge]

You said right to life is scaled based on "consciousness"

Then you said "consciousness" is decided by the probality of us becoming jesus and or thinking about religion and or a creator.

Animals as far as i'm aware will never go that far; in that case, they are not "consciousness" acording to you; Which would mean you are now contradicating all arguments you've laid out, no?

[loud sonnet]

they are conscious but not as conscious as of Jesus.

[pallid surge]

Okay, so what is consciousness? Is it being aware? to be able to reason? What does this word mean to you

[loud sonnet]

and no i am not contradiciting any of my statement.
maybe read again.

[pallid surge]

You have done so many times

[loud sonnet]

being aware is the work of our 5 senses.

[pallid surge]

Sid, man can you like give me an answer; like a defintion of the word you keep using "consciousness". You keep changing and backpedaling

[loud sonnet]

you may think i am contradicting
because you never read about philiosphy i am talking about.
it all started on creator and cosnciousness.

[loud sonnet]

i can give you book?

[pallid surge]

@loud sonnet do you accept this definition?

[loud sonnet]

Somewhat yes.

is still lacking the complete defination.

[white shard]

which is?

[loud sonnet]

would you like to watch a video over it?

[pallid surge]

I'm not going ahead; till you lay out a proper defination.

[white shard]

Not really

[pallid surge]

No, sid we are not reading an entire book or watching entire videos; to define a single word.

[white shard]

I have so many videos on my watchlist

it'd be too much

[pallid surge]

:)

[loud sonnet]

well, i can't define it in single word or line

[pallid surge]

Then, I shall end this here.

[white shard]

not IN a single word

[loud sonnet]

it will be a paragraph.

[white shard]

you can't define something IN a single word

[pallid surge]

Go ahead.

[white shard]

define A single word.

[pallid surge]

I'll wait.

[loud sonnet]

alright
I will type it and then mention you and john

and then we can talk/argue further.

[ashen comet]

why there is new delhi but no old delhi?
or new zeland but no old zeland
or new york but no old york?

[loud sonnet]

There is also old delhi

[ashen comet]

where

[loud sonnet]

near new delhi

[white shard]

@loud sonnet Do you believe that consciousness is the awareness of possibility of becoming like Jesus? Or is it the awareness of the possibility of the creator existing? Are atheists conscious? Animals can't talk, how do we know if they don't believe in a higher being?

[thorny steeple]

bcs old stereotype is bad for them lmao

[loud sonnet]

i will include the answer of all these question in the paragraph.

[loud sonnet]

You reading all the chat?

[thorny steeple]

i havent

[loud sonnet]

oh okie

[thorny steeple]

im not interested in conscusioness

[loud sonnet]

what the duck

[thorny steeple]

yeah its so mainstream even my brother know what is conscusioness

[white shard]

nobody really knows that it is

we just have this arbitrary definition

[thorny steeple]

exactly thats why its not interesting not much to argue about conscusion

[primal field]

.

[torpid stream]

[primal field]

hi, happy saturday.

[wintry mason]

Happy to u too

[primal field]

i'd like to discuss about the job opportunties.

because i'd lost my job recently,

and i'd like to start coding...

[devout shale]

Do you really like it?

[tawny crane]

hi guys

[primal field]

yep, i think i have some talent..

i am also interested in other online job opportunties...

but i am not sure, what can i do

[devout shale]

Cool, how old r u

[primal field]

30

i performed some engineering work in telekom branch,

and if i am serious, i think i am not late to start new work...

especially in another industry or field that i am less experienced...

[devout shale]

You can always start to learn coding, if you're passionate you will find it easier

[primal field]

thanks. and you can say that again,

[devout shale]

No problem

[thorny steeple]

all the best, bro

[primal field]

at the last position, i got some heady taste in gis working and programming, while i participated in telecom operation support system updates

and i believed this is my next choice

now i am jobless, and i 've to decide new way around my career

[primal field]

and how do you think about the online job opportunities?

[primal field]

how do you think about the online job opportunities?

[thorny steeple]

no clue man

[primal field]

and have you got fulltime or parttime job now?

[thorny steeple]

student

[primal field]

i majored in telekom engineering in the college, and i received some additional courses for data visualization and programming.
shall i know about your major?

[devout shale]

There are many possibilities, if you learn to code you can work as freelancer

[primal field]

correct, i've searched some freelancing platforms

[primal field]

but especially software dev jobs are turf and full of candidates.

i've checked upwork, peopleperhour, freelancer, but got same result: noth

how can i chew and overcome it?

[devout shale]

You may want to let you know by showing your work on github first, anyway I don't work as freelancer so don't know how that works in details, but I'm planning to try that also

[primal field]

thanks, correct. my repo is full of piece codes and incomplete programs, for years.

[primal field]

also i've been attaching some course lessons for it, but i am not sure how much it can help me to get programming jobs...

[devout shale]

Work on that

[devout shale]

What do you mean

[primal field]

because the online jobs are too complicated, but the lessons i got are about the basic concepts, still...

[devout shale]

You must study more then, but I suggest you to work on personal projects along with studying that's how you improve drastically 😊

[primal field]

thanks.

[devout shale]

You're welcome, if you need other help you can message me

[hybrid arch]

Hello
Can anyone tell me how should I improve my speaking from intermediate to advance (ENGLISH)

[mortal dove]

can someone help translate a 20 second youtube video?

[devout shale]

What language

[devout shale]

Listen and speak more

[hybrid arch]

I can't get the environment to speak more
U know any platform online which can help me with it

[mortal dove]

can anyone speak english well and tell me what is being said in the video? 20 seconds on youtube, video in english bro

[devout shale]

You can join discord vocal channels

[hybrid arch]

Great idea💡
Thanks for help✓

[mortal dove]

@devout shale english

[devout shale]

@mortal dove ok

[mortal dove]

can i write priv bro? @devout shale

[devout shale]

Yup

[mortal dove]

i wrote bro @devout shale

[lavish finch]

There is an old York. It’s in England.

[ornate siren]

There's Zealand or Zeeland, near Denmark.

And New Delhi was called Delhi centuries ago.

[lavish finch]

Hello

Nocturnal

Anyone else here?

What shall we talk seriously about today?

[lavish finch]

Sure. Give me the link.

[mortal dove]

Here or priv? @lavish finch

[lavish finch]

Here is OK for everyone

Because I’d like everyone to be able to follow along

[mortal dove]

can you tell me what words are spoken there?

[lavish finch]

It’s mostly a list of gamer names. Like rollcall. He’s mentioning the people who are playing the game.

Swag, KT, tomato, Smileyface etc

[mortal dove]

There is sad news or send nu**s? This hear very similar and i'm not sure @lavish finch

[lavish finch]

It’s hard to tell.

But yeah something like that

(leaving)

[gentle heath]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[dim token]

hello

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[devout shale]

Hello

[wet sparrow]

Hi everyone

[thorny steeple]

Hi

Hello

[tough gull]

Hi

[tranquil delta]

Alright

[tough gull]

Do you know how to identify a simple, compound or complex sentence?

[tranquil delta]

That's the main problem

i got some notes tho

[thorny steeple]

Send it here

[tranquil delta]

💀

Gotta find them

I rarely practice rules

[tough gull]

Ok

Here are some easy tricks you can follow

[tranquil delta]

Okay

[tough gull]

Do you know what finite and non-finite verbs are?

[thorny steeple]

Yup yup

[tough gull]

@tranquil delta

[thorny steeple]

Definitions I don't remember exactly

[tranquil delta]

Yes I do

[tough gull]

So the first thing you do is look for the finite verb(s)

[tranquil delta]

Okay

[tough gull]

If there's only 1 finite verb, it's a simple sentence

[tranquil delta]

Okay

[tough gull]

If there are more than 1 finite verb, it's either a compound or a complex sentence

[tranquil delta]

Okay

Got it

[tough gull]

Now to distinguish between a compound or complex sentence, you need to know about a set of conjunctions/connecting phrases.

[tranquil delta]

Yes I know that
Clauses right?

[tough gull]

For a compound sentence, you need to look for a coordinating conjunction.
Common coordinating conjunctions:
FANBOYS- For, And, Neither..nor, But, Either...or, Yet, So

Conjunctive adverbs also join the clauses in a compound sentence:
nevertheless, however, meanwhile, subsequently, etc.

[ornate siren]

Now that's... a mediocre nickname, in comparison to all the Greek names you kept.

[tough gull]

For a complex sentence, you need a subordinating conjunction.
Common subordinatibg conjunctions:
If, Since, Because, As, that, unless, though/although, before, after, once, so that, such that, etc.

Relative pronouns like who, where, what, etc., also connect subordinate clauses.
Phrases like 'as soon as', as long as, in contrast to, etc., connect two subordinate clauses.

[tough gull]

I usually pick a name suitable to my pfp

[tough gull]

@tranquil delta

[tough gull]

..

[tranquil delta]

Thank you so much brother

It’s like

Simple, complex, compound are the only rules that I find complicated

And just didnt practice as much

[tough gull]

Well

[tranquil delta]

That's why I'm weak in this topix

[tough gull]

Converting to a simple sentence is the hardest

[tranquil delta]

Topic*

[tough gull]

That's such an irony isn't it

[tranquil delta]

Yeah

💀

[tough gull]

Complex sentences are very easy to convert into... But converting to a simple sentence ain't that simple

[tranquil delta]

I was wondering
Weren’t you ssc 2022

[tranquil delta]

Irony to it’s highest 😂

[tranquil delta]

Um sorry
Wrong guy

💀

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[thorny steeple]

Hi

How are you?

[thorny steeple]

Im great and you

No bad

[thorny steeple]

Nice

Where are you from?

[prisma cipher]

Russia even tho no one ask me

[thorny steeple]

I'm from Canary Islands.

Russian Federation.Very big country.

[prisma cipher]

Where is it?

[thorny steeple]

What?

[tall skiff]

i think he/she is asking for more specific answer like example PART OF ASIA, KOREA , BUSAN something like this

[thorny steeple]

I don't know

[tall skiff]

ohhhh i seee canary Island from spain 🇪🇸

[thorny steeple]

Yes,it is.Territory of Spain.Near Africa.

[tall skiff]

good place but really hot weather ,wildfire

[thorny steeple]

Yes, this summer, very hot,also have a big fire in Tenerife Island...

[tall skiff]

oooh so sad to hear that

[prisma cipher]

Lol yes I asked about location

[tall skiff]

maybe he/she didnt understand the question, definitely not a english person but hes trying

[thorny steeple]

That is important,my english is not perfect,but I try so hard.

[tall skiff]

youre doing great 👏 dont worry youll get better soon

[thorny steeple]

Thank you so much.

[tall skiff]

[river stream]

an* English person 🙂

[tall skiff]

thanks for correcting me im asian, so im trying g to learn more about my mistakes

[river stream]

articles are very difficult

[plucky spade]

Just say they bro it’s easier

[tall skiff]

ohh coooll thankssssss

[plucky spade]

Np

[tall skiff]

its makes alot easier

[plucky spade]

Ikrrr

[thorny steeple]

The secret,practice every day.

[plucky spade]

Agree

And also don't be ashamed of making mistakes

[thorny steeple]

Practice all time...

[tall skiff]

well help each other

[plucky spade]

Lesgooooo

[thorny steeple]

Very good idea

We help each other

[plucky spade]

Yessir

[prisma cipher]

It's fine

[balmy dawn]

Hello

[scenic dew]

Hey

😫😫😫😫😫

[lavish finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZaLipDgFZQ

[thorny steeple]

[lavish finch]

Angelline

[thorny steeple]

Olá James!

[lavish finch]

Angelline

leaving

[thorny steeple]

My bad! I was washing dishes, lol

Leaving

[jaunty mesa]

Good morning...

[fair turret]

hi

[ornate siren]

Hello

[fair turret]

Am new here

[ornate siren]

Welcome to the server.

[fair turret]

Cool

[ornate siren]

Please introduce yourself.

[fair turret]

I did that

I am Emile

[ornate siren]

Where are you from?

[fair turret]

Washington Dc

[thorny steeple]

Hello!

[ornate siren]

Excellent. Here to discuss something REAL serious?

[ornate siren]

Hello to you too

[thorny steeple]

What will be the topic of the day?

[ornate siren]

Let @fair turret decide that.

[fair turret]

Lol

There's nothing serious.

[ornate siren]

For example, Oxford University is older than the Aztec Empire.

Anyone a supporter of empiricism?

[fair turret]

Uuum yeah

[ornate siren]

What do you know of empiricism?

[fair turret]

you asking me? huh?

Empiricism is a philosophical approach that emphasizes the importance of sensory experience and observation as the foundation of knowledge. According to empiricists, such as John Locke, George Berkeley, and David Hume, knowledge is primarily derived from direct experiences, like what we see, hear, touch, and feel. They believe that our senses are the main sources of information and that our understanding of the world is built upon these sensory perceptions.

Empiricists contrast with rationalists, who argue that reason and innate ideas are more significant in acquiring knowledge. Empiricism played a crucial role in shaping the development of modern science, as it promotes the idea that hypotheses and theories should be tested against real-world observations and experiments. This approach aims to ensure that our understanding of the world is grounded in concrete evidence rather than speculation or mere abstract reasoning.

[ornate siren]

Exactly. There's my person.

[fair turret]

or

[pallid surge]

bro gave the chatgpt answer

[ornate siren]

It's the serious chat, so you gotta use your brain here.

[ornate siren]

So it would seem.

[fair turret]

Empiricism is the belief that we gain knowledge by using our senses to interact with the world. This means that we understand things better when we can see, touch, or hear them. In science, this approach is significant because it urges us to verify ideas through actual experiences and observations.

[fair turret]

lol

[ornate siren]

I'd say, empiricism is the philosophical view that stresses upon the adage "seeing is believing".

[pallid surge]

So, do you experience it? Or precieve it?

[fair turret]

But what if i do not see but i believe?

[ornate siren]

We sense it. Experiencing and perceiving, both come under sensing. The proverb too, has this connotation.

[ornate siren]

Your thought may be a meme, or you'd have pursued deductive rationalism.

[pallid surge]

You said seeing is believing, right?

[fair turret]

For Example,<> I have never seen Jesus Christ but i believe in Him.

[pallid surge]

Do you believe in right and wrong? good and bad?

[ornate siren]

That's a meme.

[fair turret]

Did you just say a meme?

lol

[ornate siren]

Everyone has different opinions, and I also have one.

[ornate siren]

Of course. The thought of God can be considered a huge meme.

[pallid surge]

So, what you are saying is there isn't an objective right or wrong; Just opinions.

[fair turret]

So what is your opinion on that?

[ornate siren]

Yes. Logic doesn't partialize.

[pallid surge]

Rape isn't inherently wrong in your world view; neither is mass genocide.

[ornate siren]

No.

[pallid surge]

It wouldn't be objectivly wrong, right?

[ornate siren]

But the thought of rape being wrong has taken the form of a meme.

[pallid surge]

what

Since, you seem to disagree.

I'll ask you a simple question.

Do you think a man raping a women is objectivly wrong? Or is there nothing inherntly wrong with it?

[ornate siren]

"A man is indulging in coitus with a woman against her will."

This is a logical statement.

[pallid surge]

I asked you a question; the question was do you think it's objectivly wrong or not, it's a yes or no question

[ornate siren]

Whether it's wrong or right, that depends entirely on opinion.

[pallid surge]

No, opinions are opinions.

I'm not asking for what you prefer or do not prefer.

I'm asking you if you believe it's objectivly wrong or not.

If you do not believe in objective morality; That would imply you beleive a man taking a women by force is neither right or wrong.

[ornate siren]

In my personal opinion, it's wrong.

[pallid surge]

Which means you believe it's not objectivly wrong... You don't think the man has violated any natural laws nor rights; given there are none.

You simply do not prefer it; or like for such acts to happen.

But you do not find anything inherntly wrong with it, either.

would this be a correct observation of your stance on morality?

[ornate siren]

Raping is morally wrong.

I refer to human morality.

[pallid surge]

says who?

[ornate siren]

The majority of people in the world.

[ornate siren]

But it's logically and biologically neutral.

[pallid surge]

What authority does humans have to dictate right and wrong? why should anyone go with the majority?

[ornate siren]

I'm just stating.

That the majority considers raping morally wrong.

[pallid surge]

You stated raping is morally wrong; Why is it wrong? Because most human beings says it's wrong.

Now i ask you; Who has said morality is decided by majority of humans? Who dictated that?

[ornate siren]

Morality isn't decided by the majority.

[pallid surge]

If your beleif is just that there is no morality; and it's just opinions of what people prefer and not prefer for men to do

then say it as it is

[pallid surge]

In your world view there is no morality; You are simply using a word you don't subscribe to

[ornate siren]

Many, many, opinions have collectively taken the form of morality.

[pallid surge]

Define morality

cause you statements do not make any sense

let's first establish what these words mean to you; then we'll go further

[ornate siren]

Morality, simply put, is a collection of popular opinions on (mainly) culture that dictates what is right and what is wrong.

We'll discuss later. I haven't much time left.

[pallid surge]

So, essentially a faulty right and wrong; It's just preferences and privilege.

Is the majority of the entire globe? or cultures? or nations?

If the majority in india says women are not allowed to work; and if they do so it's bad.

and the entire world collectively says if you do not allow women to work it's bad

Who is right? or wrong? Or is no one right or wrong?

This entire framework of morality makes no sense; You do not believe in actual morality.

You are saying morality is based on consensus when that differs so much; moreover, that simply remains your opinion which we share with the likes of men like hitler.

You are redefining words in a strange way to present your world view in a fancy way.

If you believe there is no objective morality; that nothing is actually right or wrong; no good and bad. Just what we dictate for society to function, say it as it is; instead of being so contradictory.

[ornate siren]

I am actually saying it as it is.

Morality differs according to culture, societal status, worldview, socioeconomic development.

[pallid surge]

No, you are not.

In one sentence you said objective morality does not exist; Then said raping is morally wrong; and morality is decided by the majority; when asked who dictated morality ought to be decided by the majority, you had no answer.

[pallid surge]

So, then it is not morality.

It is simply privilege.

People do not have rights; they have privileges'.

[sharp plover]

for me right and wrong are just rules we force on others so we can blame others without looking selfish
or in another way, rules so that the society can continue working, things who are "wrong" does not benefit society
and when we realize it is actually beneficial for society we change the social norms so that that thing is "right"
(not rly good at expressing things hope you understand what i mean)

[ornate siren]

So it would seem.

[pallid surge]

You say it as it is; and I respect you for that.

I personally believe human beings have certain natural rights; which dictates right and wrong. Good and bad.

[sharp plover]

for me a society is formed because as gregarious animals, we tend to group together, so i somehow agree, because i see "society" a part of "human's nature"

[ornate siren]

Let me sum it up: Objective morality does not exist. Morality is subjective and differs from population to population (even person to person, based on cultures). In my opinion, raping is wrong. You asked for it.

[tough gull]

Tf is this....

[ornate siren]

What you take it for.

[lavish finch]

Good discussion

empiricism vs rationalism

[thorny steeple]

What do we have here?

[lavish finch]

Would you like to join a thoughtful discussion?

Taking the time to read and consider what others have written

And then helping the discussion deepen by adding your own relevant ideas

Because what we have here is a good thoughtful discussion.

[brisk cove]

I would like to add from reading a business communication textbook that morality, ethics, and the law are not on the same page.

Things you do can be not ethical but moral to the people such as sharing secrets wit your friends.

Maybe the person did something wrong with someone else?

So people deserve to know.

[lavish finch]

Indeed, morality and the law are different

[brisk cove]

What we really need is to be on the same page or come to a consensus about our values.

What traditions are good? Christmas was and still is a celebrated holiday even though it started off supposedly as a pagan holiday.

What about Martin Luther King Jr. Day? That guy was revolutionary in the way he spoke to people. He was born in Atlanta, GA. He represented his community really well and that influence and his March on Washington and his writing inspired a lot of people to follow him in his footsteps.

It's a federal holiday for a reason man. That guy sacrificed his rights and freedom (akin to Nelson Mandela's actions against apartheid). And as the vanguard of the Civil Rights Movement, he was the face of his community. That was how the Civil Rights Movement gained some steam.

[full river]

[brisk cove]

Think of Attack on Titan man.

We haven't seen the ending yet b/c we aren't ready until we see peace.

True peace.

Also there should be episodes being released on a schedule again to be honest, it'd make me happy to write about it and discuss it with people.

What I want people to do when making adaptations is to stay faithful to the source material and know their audience's background.

And also the fandom should stop making themselves look bad.

[lavish finch]

Quit while you’re ahead

[brisk cove]

yea lol

[thorny steeple]

I can spoil you what happen at the ending tho

[brisk cove]

nope

[river stream]

why is rap3 wrong, in your opinion? i agree, just asking for clarification.

[ornate siren]

It breaches the bodily autonomy of the victim, which is one of the most basic and important rights that anyone has.

[river stream]

so isnt that, by definition, an example of objective morality?

[ornate siren]

Bodily autonomy?

[river stream]

rap3 is wrong

[ornate siren]

Subjective it is.

[river stream]

so if someone rap3d a female member of your family, you would have no recourse against them because in their worldview, they subjectively dont see it as wrong

[ornate siren]

Everything I'm talking about right now is according to my personal opinion.

[ornate siren]

That would inevitably result in a debate and an argumentum ad populum.

[river stream]

so if enough people say rap3 isnt wrong, then it isnt? what about human trafficking? what about child rap3? what about slavery? what about murder? what about stealing?

[thorny steeple]

Well I think rape is wrong or not depends on what the victim feels about it, and rape every victim feels it's very bad so it's bad, it never depends on what the majority says

[loud sonnet]

So this topic is still incomplete?

[river stream]

you should be able to look around and see that this is not the case around the world. and one can try to maintain a consistent position in subjectivity, but when it hits you and someone comes to your home and claims it as their own, you arent just going to walk away. you will make an appeal outside of your subjectivity to defend your objective ownership of your home.

[ornate siren]

That's a fallacy, but it may be so, according to Goebbels. Popular opinion can change morality.

[river stream]

murder has and will always be wrong

[loud sonnet]

@pallid surge Hi man, before i start explaning further, I want to ask why you want to know the defination and all other stuff?
Is it to prove me wrong, or is it to understand more about Vedant and philiosphy of ancient India?
or is it just to pass the time?

[thorny steeple]

please define your 'wrong'

[river stream]

its not my wrong

[thorny steeple]

then whose is it?

[stiff raft]

Good evening!

[river stream]

right and wrong exist outside of us. thats objective morality, friend.

[thorny steeple]

and how would you prove this statement?

if I claim that objective morality does not exist

[lavish finch]

Following

[lavish finch]

Would you like to elaborate on what objective ownership is?

[river stream]

its not for me to prove anymore than gravity. it just is.
am i right that you are a materialistic naturalist?

[river stream]

what is this term?

[lavish finch]

It’s the term you used

[river stream]

where?

[lavish finch]

You spoke of objective ownership

[river stream]

i said objective morality...

[lavish finch]

Here

[river stream]

ah

[lavish finch]

“You will… defend your objective ownership of your home”

[thorny steeple]

so, as far as I'm concerned, you declare that something is the way it is and expect it to be true? I don't associate myself with any philosophical beliefs, as of now

[river stream]

the truth outside of my words and the intruders words that my home is mine

[river stream]

we all have presuppositions, friend

[lavish finch]

Try not to push on people

[river stream]

ive not pushed anything

[lavish finch]

talk about our presuppositions please, by all means

[thorny steeple]

yet realising that we do and trying to base them instead of asserting it as a fact are two different things

[lavish finch]

Try talking to the whole group

[river stream]

its all apart of having a conversation like this

[lavish finch]

I want both of you to try talking to the whole group

[river stream]

when two people debate, they talk to each other in earshot of those in the audience, who are free to insert comments/questions

[lavish finch]

If you don’t mind

[thorny steeple]

I would naturally do that if I knew how to

[lavish finch]

Are you willing to try something slightly different?

Talking to the audience in earshot of the person who disagrees with you.

[river stream]

im not a preacher

[lavish finch]

And looking for the people who agree with you

[lavish finch]

I’m not asking you to preach or be a preacher

[ornate siren]

It's amazing that I, started all this with just a question on empiricism, to familiarize a guy with the serious chat.

[lavish finch]

See how much you can accomplish when you’re serious nocturnal?

[river stream]

with respect, i cant say that im too interested in talking to these people that agree with me... thats kinda echo chamberish

[lavish finch]

With all due respect, it’s exactly not an echo chamber, you just don’t know it yet.

Also, with respect, responsibility and power to moderate this channel has been vested in me by the powers that be.

and along with that I have a desire to support conversations which are constructive

We can discuss what a constructive conversation is and you’re welcome to disagree with me

The reason it’s not an echo chamber…

[river stream]

moderate doesnt mean dictate

[lavish finch]

Is because people are welcome to disagree just not at the same time as another is presenting their views.

well to some extent moderate requires me to dictate.

Requires may be the wrong word. I see the value in establishing boundaries.

[ornate siren]

I'm the carrier of seemingly controversial opinions.

[lavish finch]

We’ll get to you soon enough, nocturnal.

[river stream]

cool. well, enjoy doing that.

sorry folks, we cant have a normal discussion. James is dictator of the channel and its his way or the highway.

i'll take the highway. ✌️

[lavish finch]

I am proposing very specific guidelines for the discussion of topics in which people disagree. I can see that you’re not willing to join with me on the guidelines I am using. That’s fine.

It’s true that I’m not allowing a normal discussion, if by normal discussion you mean pushing on people to talk.

My guidelines are specifically designed to facilitate discussions between disagreeing parties so as not to create an echo chamber.

Echo chambers are created by eliminating the opposing subgroup or faction in a discussion.

There are a number of ways to do that.

One is to silence the opponent.

Back to you.

Could you tell me what I said?

[ivory vale]

Hi

You are saying that it's ok for CmdrViper not to follow the guidelines you are proposing.

You do step in if someone pushes someone else to talk.

[lavish finch]

No

I'm saying that I plan to intervene when the debate begins to move in a direction that I consider to be problematic.

And one thing I see as problematic is pushing on other participants.

Attempting to apply pressure directly to a specific person to speak or change their mind.

I'm saying that it's fine to disagree, and to disagree by appealing to the group as a whole, not to someone with an opposing view.

[ivory vale]

You are setting boundaries for this channel if you see the debate being conducted in an unhealthy way.

[full river]

following

[ivory vale]

It's ok to disagree and seek agreement within all participants.

It's not ok to put pressure on an individual who has an opposing opinion.

[lavish finch]

I'm not prohibiting all direct interaction between people of differing viewpoints. But I'm watching those very carefully and when possible, putting some space between them so that the views can rise to the surface and personal issues can be put aside.

[ivory vale]

I'm planning to be here for another 30min.

[lavish finch]

In cases where you'd like to put pressure on a specific person, I'm inviting you to instead put pressure onto me or to appeal to the channel collectively.

Otherwise it's more likely to move away from the topic and towards personal animus.

[loud sonnet]

I agree with James.
Having debate means sharing and exchanging the knowledge
rather then asking other person illogical questions and showing dominance.
People here debate to feed their ego (that they know better and you are the dumb or your values and views on life are inferior)
having disagreement is totally different from insulting someone else point of view on things.

[lavish finch]

Thank you for your summary, Neli.

[ivory vale]

I support this kind of debate and am glad that James is maintaining this boundary.

I find that for me the biggest problem with keeping such a boundary in a debate on a topic I care for is the feelings that come up.

[full river]

(leaving)

[lavish finch]

The feelings that come up are likely not an issue.

More likely its the reaction to the feelings that creates difficulties.

When people disagree, it's natural to have some feeling, frustration or curiosity or whatever.

[ivory vale]

murderous hatred

[lavish finch]

easy cowboy

[ivory vale]

it can go to extremes for me

[lavish finch]

The more extreme, the less likely it has to do with the surrounding context.

You can ask yourself how it is that you're managing to make something so big out of something so small.

Disagreements come in all sizes.

If you're finding that your first response to any disagreement is murder, 99% of that reaction is whatever history you are carrying in.

Tell me what I said

[ivory vale]

You are saying that extreme emotions in a disagreement are not because of what just happened but because of experiencing disagreement over a long period of time?

[lavish finch]

No

You used the term murderous

that's not an emotion or a feeling

it's a frame or idea

one with a very specific charge

[ivory vale]

wanting to eliminate another opinion

[lavish finch]

no, it's not

it's wanting to eliminate another person

as if we are our beliefs

[ivory vale]

yes, eliminating the opinion via eliminating the person who defends it

[lavish finch]

No

[ivory vale]

the opinion will still exist

[lavish finch]

No

Do you notice that you have stopped trying to tell me what I said

and have instead starting pushing on me?

[ivory vale]

I agree that I have stopped trying to summarize what you said.

[lavish finch]

When did you notice that?

[ivory vale]

I don't perceive myself as pushing on you.

[ivory vale]

here

[lavish finch]

Let's wrap this up for the time being

[ivory vale]

I found it hard to grasp the concept of "murderous hatred" not being a feeling. I got frustrated with trying to understand a new idea.

ok

[lavish finch]

I don't see a reason to qualify our emotions with charged adjectives like "murderous"

if we're talking about the feeling and not the idea

[ivory vale]

Bye, good talking with all of you.

[lavish finch]

Bye

I'm leaving too.

[cursive estuary]

“In Kali-yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man’s good birth, proper behavior and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on the basis of one’s power. Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one’s expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brāhmaṇa just by his wearing a thread. A person’s spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols, and on that same basis people will change from one spiritual order to the next. A person’s propriety will be seriously questioned if he does not earn a good living. And one who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar."

[blazing dome]

how is all?

[ruby frigate]

I agree, they are hypocrites.

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[wooden cove]

Hi klaus

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[lavish finch]

Hi

Eisan, I'd like to understand what you wrote.

everyone plays by their own rules

and the weak will lose this game

we and this earth are insignificant

no different from animals

those who push will be ignored

What's the game?

Life? This conversation?

You also express a concern for honesty

[thorny steeple]

We are very different of other animals,more intelligent,but more bad...

[lavish finch]

Humans have a unique intelligence, just as many animals do.

More intelligent or less intelligent requires a more specific definition of intelligence.

Likewise, good and bad are distinct from intelligence. It's possible to be intelligent and bad, or unintelligent and good.

(leaving)

[ornate siren]

No.

[lavish finch]

Hi Nocturnal

I don't quite understand you again, Eisan.

Intelligence has nothing to do with what, exactly?

I think the ability to plan may be relevant in distinguishing the different kinds of intelligence present in different species.

But I don't quite follow the wagon analogy. What is meant to be separated from what?

[ivory vale]

I'd think that eisan compares thoughts to train wagons.

Thoughts of animals would be not connected through logical reasoning.

[lavish finch]

Since Eisan is not here to tell us, would you like to share your own thoughts?

[ivory vale]

I'm also curious about what eisan wants to tell us.

[lavish finch]

I see you're typing for about 5 min Neli

[ivory vale]

Eisan, the way I understand the first paragraph, "Exert pressure?...", is that you are talking about life in general.
If someone has an opposing opinion, in particular someone without power they won't be able to find support. A majority of people struggles to understand the perspective of a minority. And others just want to get rid of the uncomfortable opinions.

Yes. And I am also leaving soon.

Approaching my limit of 10pm for sleeping time.

[lavish finch]

ok

[ivory vale]

I enjoy reading the conversations here

[lavish finch]

Do you know what you enjoy about it?

[ivory vale]

I like the new concepts I learn.

Morality as a collection of opinions

Distinct from moral

Thinking about what happens in the world

[lavish finch]

The quality of conversations in this channel has been very high.

In my opinion, at least.

The kinds of conversations I'd like to be a part of.

[ivory vale]

Same

[lavish finch]

Covering a range of topics and including a range of participants

getting fairly deep and sophisticated at times

even without me being here

[ivory vale]

Yes indeed

I noticed that I usually prefer reading conversations with you participating. And I don't mind you being absent here.

[lavish finch]

I enjoy being here

[ivory vale]

Bye James

[lavish finch]

Bye, I'll leave too.

[cursive estuary]

to answer you this:

What reality are you talking about? What does "superintelligent" mean? You said there was nothing you could do about it, but then how do you explain your behavior? ask yourself what am I doing? focus on being crushed, crushed you will be Your Will is that intensely powerful

I know that you're referring to the principle of mentalism

so what is it that you're trying to convey

I've understood that what you're saying is humans live in this deplorable state (like any other animal) because they don't realize their true power

I don't know if I got you wrong

I don't think is only endowed to us per se, because I believe that there must be superior beings that also have a "supermind" superior than ours

is it because they want and is their conscious will , or is it because they're deceived to do so

and in their blindness they simply comply

By entities who feed from chaos and misery

[pearl condor]

Hello friend! Word of advice from a beginner Colombian English speaker: Native speakers never use the word "whom" outside of a formal academic setting! Cheers!

[cursive estuary]

To me conscious means to act in an analytical reflective way in accordance to ones beliefs, beliefs that also had to be previously questioned by oneself

What am I doing? Dying like everyone else, spending my days in insignificant ways

[thorny steeple]

Haaaaa! Caught teaching magic for kids! 🤣

Jk

[cursive estuary]

When you confront me with that question, I have to give you the reason, I'm like everyone else

Like any other human, who spends his days chasing the wind, waiting to die like a dog

[haughty bolt]

Helloo

What are you talking about?

I'm too lazy to look for it

[thorny steeple]

[cursive estuary]

I don't know what it is that I want to say, you confront me with questions and I give you answers of why I think that we are not like any other animal, yet I can not explain why we choose to act like them, instead of exercising our will

which I know to be extremely powerful

because when you say why I have to point inwards

Ok so what can be done

[pearl condor]

We do not "choose" to act like them, we are bound to our instincts. Your argument is flawed from the start because there is no "us" and "them", we ARE them.

[cursive estuary]

I knew it will end like this 😭

[cursive estuary]

I disagree with you, I don't believe that we are mere animals of instinct

[pearl condor]

There is no disagreeing with that, it is a fact

[cursive estuary]

no, is just that I knew you wouldn't give me an answer, it's always like that, "go search the answer"

[cursive estuary]

you're seeing this through a materialist prism, I don't share your view

[pearl condor]

Are you Orthodox?

[cursive estuary]

I can't say so, I have flaws in my reasoning because I'm not perfect, I don't exalt man for being subjective we are just another link in the chain, it just so happens that we have the ability of abstract thinking, which to me is already a differential factor

See you, thank you too

[haughty bolt]

Science says that reality depends on our perception of things

So, what is truly real?

I've read in internet that the way we see things influence on our mood and our position in life but I consider this more phycological than anything else

[crisp lake]

(on the internet — let me know if you mind corrections)

[haughty bolt]

Yes, I do. Thank you!!

[crisp lake]

Yes you do?

[crisp lake]

"Yes I mind corrections" = I mind that you're correcting me, don't correct me. "No I don't mind corrections" = You can totally correct me!

[lavish finch]

Does it?

[haughty bolt]

The second option. "No I don't mind corrections" = You can totally correct me!"

[crisp lake]

Some people yeah

[lavish finch]

Perception is often deceptive

[crisp lake]

Yes, that is what he was just saying

[lavish finch]

Which is exactly why scientific minded people interogate what they perceive

[crisp lake]

And that's a tangent

[lavish finch]

A tangent from what?

[crisp lake]

Idk. We should probably clear up space for the non-native people here or there's no point to the server

[lavish finch]

No

If you don't know what it's a tangent from, then it's the main idea.

[crisp lake]

Alright, fine

[haughty bolt]

Yes, but is there something that no depends on our perception? Mathematics, maybe?

[lavish finch]

You believe something is stopping the non native speakers from participating?

[crisp lake]

If we get into an argument, yeah it's just us two idiots yapping back and forth

And nobody else cares about it

[lavish finch]

Speak for yourself

But I think most non natives would like to talk to native speakers here.

Rather than that they remain silent.

That's what they say, overwhelmingly

[crisp lake]

Really? I'm surprised you know, talking over them so much

[lavish finch]

I am an expert

[crisp lake]

But since you asked, he was talking about "what is real," and then he turned it to "everything outside of us is not real because it's different for everyone" and the part where you jumped in said that scientific-minded people have minds that continuously assess what they're looking at to make sure it fits in the reality that they're studying. They're two different topics altogether

In which the latter has a reality that everyone agrees upon, and one makes sure that what they have fits in that

And the former is about how reality is extremely personal and there is no shared reality, or, shared experience of reality

[lavish finch]

So you do think it was a tangent after all

[crisp lake]

Yes... I wouldn't have said so if I didn't

[lavish finch]

Well, I asked and you said you didn't know what the topic was.

[crisp lake]

I backed down on it because, look, we're two idiots arguing with each other and nobody else has been entertained by it

[lavish finch]

I'm not arguing

[crisp lake]

If you were such an expert you'd know that "idk" is one way of backing down and moving forward

[lavish finch]

I'm genuinely interested in what you're talking about.

[crisp lake]

And I agree that I am being a pain

[lavish finch]

I don't think so

Not for me, at least

[crisp lake]

Well good, because I annoy myself expertly

Whatever you'd like to talk about

[lavish finch]

I wouldn't engage in this manner in all the channels in this server, but this is one channel it works.

[crisp lake]

Hard agree

[lavish finch]

Discussions tend to be highly sophisticated, including both natives and learners.

[crisp lake]

what are you arguing about

[haughty bolt]

I asked about what is real

[haughty bolt]

.

Yes

[crisp lake]

The noun of "to perceive"

[crisp lake]

"Our perception of reality" = What reality looks, feels, tastes, etc. like to us

What confuses you about it

In its best moments, yes

Where we get to be our most pretentious without being slapped

[haughty bolt]

I mean, science says the reality of oneself depends on the perceptions you have, so you've got a reality different from others

[crisp lake]

You'll get there! Keep at it :)

[haughty bolt]

Doesn't that concern you?

[crisp lake]

No

It's worked so far

[haughty bolt]

Why?

[crisp lake]

It's worked so far

"Thanks bud" sounds aggressive

Because of the "bud"

[lavish finch]

Blahboo, mind if I ask you some questions?

[crisp lake]

Sure, but I may not answer all of them depending on how much info I feel they reveal

Still kinda the same thing

[lavish finch]

Sure, let's give it a try.

You're a native speaker. Did you join this server out of curiosity? A desire to teach English?

[crisp lake]

No

[crisp lake]

I have tutored English for a long time for free as a hobby

[lavish finch]

Great. To esl students?

[crisp lake]

As far as I'm aware

[lavish finch]

You don't know if your students were esl?

[crisp lake]

Okay, there's a slight difference between the two. "Thanks buddy" can be friendly, but it can also be patronizing. "Thanks bud" can be friendly, but it can also be both patronizing and aggressive. It really depends on the tone of voice

[crisp lake]

I'm fine with sharing this information because it's been done in other parts of the internet. I've never met anyone irl

[lavish finch]

Oh, you've been tutoring online. I see.

[crisp lake]

I'm telling you because I know what you mean, I just don't want someone else to draw the wrong conclusion if they don't

[lavish finch]

What's a long time?

[crisp lake]

Why does it matter to you?

[lavish finch]

You don't want to say, no problem.

[crisp lake]

I don't think I could track it easily anyway

[lavish finch]

I'm really just genuinely curious. I work with English teachers, new, old, native, non native.

I like supporting English teachers.

[crisp lake]

Always an important job!

[lavish finch]

I teach here as a volunteer. But I also teach English full time.

[thorny steeple]

[lavish finch]

I started teaching English in 2002 in China.

[thorny steeple]

China, there is a country I'd like to meet one day!

[lavish finch]

Angelline, I heard that you like the bad boys, honey. Is that true?

[crisp lake]

Wut

[lavish finch]

Inside joke, sorry

[thorny steeple]

It's better than I ever even knew... they said that the world is built for two... 😹

[lavish finch]

Lyric from a song she was just singing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE6wxDqdOV0

[thorny steeple]

Thanks for being there listening!! 🥰

[lavish finch]

45

No?

How old do you think I am?

[thorny steeple]

Yesn't

[lavish finch]

#📷｜selfie

You thought I was 13 years old?

[thorny steeple]

James is just Discord creator.

The first member.

He comes from skype

😹

[haughty bolt]

You look like Martin Wallström

[lavish finch]

Even before Skype. I was using a program called "You See Me"

[thorny steeple]

I guess I never used Skype in my life.

I also don't have Facebook.

[lavish finch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CU-SeeMe

[thorny steeple]

I liked MSN

[thorny steeple]

It was similar to Discord?

[lavish finch]

Looked like this

2003

[thorny steeple]

OMG Very 2000's aesthetics, LOL

My childhood

Is Discord futuristic enough for you?

[lavish finch]

Gather round the computer, children, let grandpa tell you a story...

😂

At that time, youtube was just people making videos of themselves talking.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah I remember this time.

[lavish finch]

Like I would post a video of myself saying "I like philosophy and blah blah blah."

And someone would post a video response

And the chains would go on forever

They got rid of that feature

[thorny steeple]

OMG

I love Youtube, lol

[lavish finch]

I don't have children

[thorny steeple]

I remember in 2011 I was very afraid to do a channel.

There were a lot of haters, lol

Today is more chill, I guess.

[thorny steeple]

By option?

I'm not sure

[lavish finch]

personal much?

[thorny steeple]

What?

[lavish finch]

...

I mean, that's quite a personal question.

[thorny steeple]

Ohhh! Sorry!

Let's skip then.

[lavish finch]

I think there were fewer haters then.

[pearl condor]

yes

[thorny steeple]

Well, speaking about them, LOOOL

Bruh ahahaha

[lavish finch]

The animus on the internet now is just brutal.

[crisp lake]

Again, it's only philisophical in its best moments

[thorny steeple]

Why do you love to hate people online?

[lavish finch]

It's what people make it.

What do you want this chat to be?

[thorny steeple]

Now we're making it nostalgic.

[crisp lake]

Somethign about perception of reality oooo-oo-oooo-oooo

[haughty bolt]

Is anything of this real?

[lavish finch]

The difference between being and seeming is an age old philosophic distinction.

[crisp lake]

No

[lavish finch]

Are you succeeding?

[haughty bolt]

Why? 🤔

[lavish finch]

First I want to check that I understand.

You want to close this channel?

[crisp lake]

Why not?

Enough

[lavish finch]

What's philosophical about saying you want it to be "non"?

Well, I don't get it. But maybe someone else does.

We lose you @thorny steeple ?

ok, that's clearer

You're a nihilist. You don't believe in nothin'.

[thorny steeple]

[crisp lake]

I dunno, you're the nihilist

[lavish finch]

Exactly

An agnostic nihilist.

[crisp lake]

Hey

That was a reproachful hey

[lavish finch]

Hay is for horses.

[crisp lake]

מתחכם

There wasn't a single word that worked well in English so I relied on something else

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reproach

[lavish finch]

Blah has moved to general. Shall we join him there?

[crisp lake]

Her

[thorny steeple]

[crisp lake]

I am

[lavish finch]

her

[crisp lake]

I didn't say that I didn't know the word in English. I said that English didn't properly express what I wanted to express, and another language did

America

[lavish finch]

Angelline, where'd you go?

[thorny steeple]

I'll take a nap! I'll remember to type leaving nxt time, lol

[crisp lake]

You ask me to explain nicely

[lavish finch]

I would love that

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[lavish finch]

I will call it a night. Have a good night everyone.

[thorny steeple]

Good night everyoneee

[crisp lake]

The word חכם means "smart." To מתחכם means to pretend you're smarter than you are (and in Hebrew, the present tense can also be the person doing it. For example, עובד, "he works," can also be "a worker"). I could've used "pretentious," but I felt that this didn't fit well enough. Someone can be exactly as smart as they say they are and still be pretentioius

He said "Hay is for horses," which means, "Don't say hey because it's 'too colloquial'" or whatever, so I called him someone who pretends to be smarter than he is

You've taken it, I assume?

[lavish finch]

Don't call me uncle, cause that's rude.

[lavish finch]

And this is not what I meant.

[crisp lake]

Then I misunderstood

[lavish finch]

Also, I'm very smart.

[crisp lake]

I don't doubt it

[thorny steeple]

Do you learning Hebrew?@crisp lake

[lavish finch]

But when I translated the word, google gave me "joking" not "smart". And I was joking.

Now I'm leaving.

[crisp lake]

You can find a more thorough breakdown of the word here: https://www.pealim.com/search/?q=מתחכם

[crisp lake]

It was just a response to one sentence. Don't take it too hard

[crisp lake]

Yeah!

(also, Are you learning Hebrew)

[thorny steeple]

Sorry, my grammar is bruh nevermind.

Can I ask you something

[crisp lake]

That's why I'm here

What is that

[thorny steeple]

Do you think the origin of the word alpha comes from Hebrew or ancient Greek?

[crisp lake]

No idea, I'm not an etymologist, sorry

[thorny steeple]

I'm asking this cause ancient greek and Hebrew very impressed eachother ig

Thanks for answer.

[crisp lake]

But this might be helpful: https://www.etymonline.com/word/alpha#etymonline_v_26140

[crisp lake]

Pinging you since you may have stopped looking

[thorny steeple]

Ahhh probably greek, thanks for information that's my name

Elif *

[crisp lake]

Aw, cute!

[thorny steeple]

Aleph*

[crisp lake]

Well it's originally from Hebrew, it says

Alpha

[thorny steeple]

Make sense

[crisp lake]

But again, no language exists in a vacuum, Phonecian also played a hand as well

[thorny steeple]

That's mean, the name come from Anatolia probably

[crisp lake]

What's mean

[thorny steeple]

Yay

you said phonecian , that's why I said.

[crisp lake]

Today I learned that referencing the Phonecians is considered mean.

[thorny steeple]

Wot

How and why

[crisp lake]

It was sarcasm

[pearl condor]

leilif has a point.

[thorny steeple]

Just one minute. I didn't know the considered means

[torn vigil]

Let

[thorny steeple]

F... I'm confused

Cause the word is little bit weird

[crisp lake]

How does it look like it works to you?

Or, what's not clicking

[thorny steeple]

Considered means take into account right?

[near wadi]

yes

[thorny steeple]

My friend said that it had a different meaning in the sentence you used. i didn't understand what it means . is this a pattern?

[crisp lake]

I mean, not really, I think it just becomes adjective-like instead

[near wadi]

considered means like you have taken it into account and thought abt it

[crisp lake]

So, instead of someone considering something, it is considered by someone

[near wadi]

consider means you will think abt it and considering means your are thinking about it

[crisp lake]

"This is considered rude" can be reordered to say "People consider this to be rude"

@thorny steeple Does that clarify or is there something else about it?

[thorny steeple]

It's okay, thanks for information

[crisp lake]

"It's okay" or you understand it?

[thorny steeple]

I'm just trying to understand this sentence

Today I learned that referencing the Phonecians is considered mean.*

[crisp lake]

What's your native language?

[thorny steeple]

Turkish

[crisp lake]

I put it into a translator and got "Bugün öğrendim ki, Fonecilere atıfta bulunmak kaba olarak kabul edilir."

Maybe that will clarify something?

[thorny steeple]

Oh, it says there, it is considered rude to refer to the Phoenicians*

But in your first sentence don't have "rude" word

[crisp lake]

It expresses the same thing, it just rearranges the word order (which is Turkish's whole big thing)

[thorny steeple]

I see I see thanks for answer

Ah okay, the problem was "the mean" word. Okay okay. The pattern is this one

Yeah I'm clearly understand rn

Cause I remember the be mean, meaning

F. It's almost 5:30 am and bruh

My brain is giving error

Btw where are you from

[thorny steeple]

Cause I didn't sleep

Beautiful country

Same here, I have insomnia

And it's getting worse

I don't think so, cause I think it will be okay when I enter any job

I hope so

How old are you

Make sense, I'm 28.

I have kids and waiting my mother's entire

Thank you so much Dave

[torn vigil]

😏

[thorn island]

Wagwan mandem

[lavish finch]

Pretty sure it comes from the ancient Greek.

Speaking of the Phoenicians, they are some of the first Greeks to use written language around 1000 BC.

Using symbols taken from Egyptian hieroglyphics.

[ornate siren]

Phoenicians were Greeks?

[lavish finch]

I was reading a book today, and I’m pretty sure it referred to them as Greeks, but I see now they were not.

[thorny steeple]

Ohhh , thank you so much. i think it comes from greek and it is fascinating to me that such an old word lives on in many languages until today.

[thorny steeple]

Yep, kinda, actually they are Mediterranean-anatolian

[ornate siren]

Phoenicians are hypothesised to have been from North Africa and/or Anatolia, near modern-day Lebanon. Tyre used to be their trade capital.

[thorny steeple]

You're a mom and people asks why don't you work, omg! Isn't it work enough?! 😅

[ornate siren]

My mom is a high school teacher, though!

[thorny steeple]

But you're big kid already.

[ornate siren]

She had already become a teacher before I was born.

And my father an officer.

[lavish finch]

Hi

[ornate siren]

Hello, sir

[lavish finch]

What's that mean, Angelline

"I'm sleeping with the bot"

[thorny steeple]

A joke, lol

I'm married with @cursive bobcat now.

And I was supposed to be sleeping

Instead I'm cooking.

[lavish finch]

You have insomnia, don't you

[thorny steeple]

What's the subject here?

[lavish finch]

like me

[thorny steeple]

leaving, my dinner is ready

[lavish finch]

alright

though 3am seems a bit late for dinner

I'm doing what normal people do at 2am

I'm having a midnight snack

a little mozerella cheese, some sliced salami

a wedge of lime

you know, like normal people

[ornate siren]

I want to have some

*Mozzarella

[lavish finch]

Is that all you have to say for yourself, Nocturnal?

[ornate siren]

Nearly.

[lavish finch]

Mozzarella

leaving

[fickle echo]

hello everyone, I am new here

[stiff raft]

hi

[stiff raft]

how are you

[brisk cove]

You a night owl?

I just napped.

[thorny steeple]

hi im a new too

i would like to talk with someone in English because i want to speak english better

is anyone interested?

[ornate siren]

Where are you from?

[thorny steeple]

im from italy

[thorny steeple]

nevermind them

[shadow parrot]

ohhh not long ago i travel in italy

it's so hot in italy

[subtle swallow]

Hey there

I'm Dadi

[pliant mortar]

hi

[stiff raft]

hi

[pliant mortar]

i want to speak english

[inner torrent]

then speak english

[pliant mortar]

ok but how should i shart fist step of every day

[stiff raft]

Do you read English?

[pliant mortar]

ok

[inner torrent]

do you mean how should i start learning english more very day?

[stiff raft]

I usually read some English novels

[pliant mortar]

yes

[inner torrent]

then yeah you should read some books they help build vocabulary

[pliant mortar]

ok bro

[inner torrent]

or you could just watch youtube in english

[pliant mortar]

ok

[inner torrent]

or make anything you use alot in english which could help

[pliant mortar]

ok

[pliant mortar]

wher are u from

[inner torrent]

im indian but was born in america

[pliant mortar]

ok

[inner torrent]

what about you?

[pliant mortar]

i am from india maharastra

[inner torrent]

oh man im there right now for vacation

[pliant mortar]

but i cant speak english thas way i found this server

[pliant mortar]

where

[inner torrent]

near mumbai

[pliant mortar]

i am from shegaon vidharbh

[inner torrent]

you seem pretty good to me right now

[inner torrent]

i have no clue where that is but nice

[pliant mortar]

what is your real name

[tawdry agate]

Tu,ith,Kay,karu,rahila

[pliant mortar]

hahaha

[tawdry agate]

[pliant mortar]

wgho are u

[pliant mortar]

who are u

[tawdry agate]

I'm nerd

[inner torrent]

uh i dont wanna say it

nothing personal

[pliant mortar]

ok

[inner torrent]

this makes my brain hurt

ok i gtg

[tawdry agate]

Bro, it's vidharbh's Marathi accent

[pliant mortar]

yes

[inner torrent]

idk who that it

is*

[rose badger]

Is there synonyms for (as it has) I need precise word

[stiff raft]

🧐

[inner torrent]

uh can you use it in a sentance

depending on the context it would be a diffrent word

[wind niche]

yup

[lavish finch]

"All writing is a campaign against cliche. Not just cliches of the pen but cliches of the mind and cliches of the heart." ― Martin Amis

[tawdry agate]

You are from there too?

[wind niche]

Yes, It's not my mother language but I live in that state

[tawdry agate]

Oh okay,

[wind niche]

?define compact

[cursive bobcat]

Word: compact

Definition 1 (adjective): briefly giving the gist of something
Definition 2 (noun): a signed written agreement between two or more parties (nations) to perform some action
Definition 3 (noun): a small cosmetics case with a mirror; to be carried in a woman's purse

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by us3rnam3_n0t_f0und

[cursive estuary]

No animal can think as we do

Mate at this point your Socratic Questioning is just you in denial and it's becoming annoying, can animals do reflexive thinking can an animal use language to reflect about itself or distant objects can they do extensive contemplation of thoughts

I won't debate anymore because as I said excessive Socratic Questioning doesn't bring anything to our discussion, and is just pointlessly running in circles, have a good one.

Is not that I'm using terms I can not explain is that you want me to explain everything I say deviating from the main argument, do I really need to explain why animals don't think like humans? I am the one wasting my time having to explain to you such basic concepts

[lavish finch]

Play nice

No personal attacks

Try not to push on others to do work or talk.

Invite others but don’t force them.

[crisp lake]

Academics make do.

[thorny steeple]

Hey

WHat are you talking about

[thorny steeple]

hi

[pearl condor]

Except humans are animals, so we think like animals.

When we get hungry or thirsty we seek food & water. When we are faced with danger our "fight or flight" instinct takes over. We have an innate drive defend our territory, our resources, and our young. When humans are old enough the instinct to seek a mate practically takes over the brain.

Our behaviors are mirrored throughout the animal kingdom. Even what you believe to be our most complex behaviors can be seen in creatures such as Birds, Elephants, Primates, Porpoises, etc... Did you know that some groups of chimpanzees have religions? And that they wage war on each other? Many species of primate and porpoise have developed communication through language, and a cool fact is that some monkeys have learned to lie to one another to get what they want (which is VERY complex behavior). Cats and Dogs even have dreams & nightmares.

Yes, we are different. Every species differs from each other in many ways, but that does not make them more or less animal. An ant is still an animal in the same way a cat or a fish is, and these species could not be more different from one another.

[thorny steeple]

What is your english level

[pearl condor]

I am a beginner from Colombia 🇨🇴

However i have a deep understanding of the english language