🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

No comments on this topic

[lavish finch]

Necessary to define our terms, soul, god, nature, etc.

[thorny steeple]

Would you care to share an article or elaborate?

[scarlet stratus]

ok, to make it easier for you, i will give you scientific miracles from the quran (book of god), god surely will give us miracles as a proof that he is existed

[thorny steeple]

It depends on believe of every individual

[lavish finch]

Make it easier for me to what? To change my mind?

[thorny steeple]

I agree

[scarlet stratus]

no, change the believe

i can give you 3 miracles now

[lavish finch]

Ok

[thorny steeple]

https://youtu.be/y1ibfuRfRNI
If this help u can try

[lavish finch]

I suggest you talk about your arguments in words first, before offering original source material.

[thorny steeple]

Okay that's also good

[scarlet stratus]

starts with the first one which talks about the roman army, i don't remember the verse very well or the story but the summary of it is there were muslims army and roman army, roman army won a war , after that, god said in quran that they will lose after few years, and they lost after 9 years

[scarlet stratus]

note : god sent many messangers and prophets for us , with books

[lavish finch]

Those are more assertions

[scarlet stratus]

and last prophet was mohamed peace be upon him

[lavish finch]

Maklord, you believe in god.

And miracles, prophets and such.

[scarlet stratus]

@lavish finch ok, the second miracle is very good too, quran said from 1400 years that the earth will retrograde , which means the sun will rise from west , and scientists just discovered that march and many planets retrograded and eath will do in the future too, how can a human from 1400 years knows the future and the space ?

[scarlet stratus]

yes, also the magic and the jinns

[thorny steeple]

If in scientific way we see then it's not possible for anything to sustain without any life force , like for any being to have life inside it there must be something which is not available inside the non living things
For ex: we made robots which can move which can talk but we couldn't give them life energy and I believe that the life Energy inside Every living being is only soul

[junior depot]

Not rlly scientific but you can check Kantian philosophy and his argument for gods existence

After all, you cant really merge faith with science and facts

[scarlet stratus]

@lavish finch i will send you a video 10 sec

[lavish finch]

No thanks

I prefer to talk

[thorny steeple]

Well I disagree, I think science is for proving our faiths and beliefs

[thorny steeple]

Then you can't also claim that your faith is the truth without facts and proof

[lavish finch]

I'm interested in philosophy. Philosophy is the battle ground between religion and science.

[junior depot]

I think youre mistaking faith with hypothesis

[thorny steeple]

On a side note, I've a question: isn't a comma necessary after the 'no'?

[scarlet stratus]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hEMtCuxmFNw?feature=share

This is a verse in quran

[junior depot]

Faith is only true to the individual who believes in something. Not really collective like science, since it can be replicated

[scarlet stratus]

Ok

[lavish finch]

It's debatable.

[thorny steeple]

Why u are putting religion in middle of anything,you can debate and prove it yourself in a more friendly way!

[lavish finch]

Some religious arguments for the existence of god are serious and sophisticated and require acknowledgement.

[scarlet stratus]

@lavish finch question, if god is existed, he should give us proofs and miracles that he is existed correct?

[thorny steeple]

Alright, then

[lavish finch]

Not necessarily, no. It depends on the definition of god.

[thorny steeple]

What if someone is atheist and doesn't believe in miracles he might think it was a coincidence

[scarlet stratus]

There are many miracles, most of them cannot be a coincidence

However, there is the only thing that no one can deny, and it's magic and jinn

[thorny steeple]

But if I believe that everything happens to me is because of luck and due to my deeds then why would I believe in god

[lavish finch]

That's not true. Many people can and do deny those.

I deny them.

[thorny steeple]

Why should I believe magic exists when there is science and why should I believe in jinn when there are other explanations

[lavish finch]

Magic is just the old word for science.

[scarlet stratus]

If you never heared about Islam or didn't read about it so you will enter paradise God willing

[thorny steeple]

Or anything which is extraordinary and not proven by science is termed as magic

[scarlet stratus]

I mean, no one can deny them because thier proof is super big, the magic that I mentioned is not the magic that for example in harry potter and the other movies, the magic that I mentioned is made by jinn, do you know jinn?

[thorny steeple]

Why should I choose Islam I can also follow Jesus Christ

[scarlet stratus]

Bec they are existed bro, I will explain

[thorny steeple]

Where were the jinns when world was facing corona it was by the efforts of the scientists

Due to which we are alive

[lavish finch]

Yes

[scarlet stratus]

Actually Islam believes in Jesus and he is the christ

[thorny steeple]

I am waiting for an explanation!

[scarlet stratus]

But Islam doesn't believe that Jesus is god, he is prophet ,also Jesus said in bible that he is prophet and never said iam god or warship me

[thorny steeple]

But what if I believe he is god and pray him only or I believe forest to be my god then ?

[lavish finch]

There was a time in my life when I believed in magic. I don't anymore.

[lavish finch]

I have more to say about Christianity than Islam.

[scarlet stratus]

Ok, jinns are another living organisms like us, they were created to enter paradise, hell like us, but they are older than us, they are created of fire, so we can't see them, we can only see one type of jinns

[thorny steeple]

It's our personal belief and experiences some people believe on themselves and some belive their outcomes of hard work to be magic

[thorny steeple]

Who is he that I can see ?

[scarlet stratus]

Islam says that there is no God but only one God, many gods can't make sense, also in Christianity, Jesus was crucified and in bible it says he was cursed, can he be a god really?

[scarlet stratus]

Sure

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch only one help from u if u find any grammatical error then pls if u can help me in correcting it

[lavish finch]

I am a student of Bertrand Russell, the mathematician and author of the essay "Why I am not a Christian".

[thorny steeple]

But what if I believe that my paper next to me is real God and all other are dummy god's then would God curse me ?

[thorny steeple]

Wow who is he ???

[scarlet stratus]

Jinn of desert, he comes at night and be far from you, he is about a light , his goal is to make you follow him to make you lose your way, you can search on Google or YouTube, type " abo fanoos or jinn of desert "

[lavish finch]

He is one of my role models, a real hero.

https://users.drew.edu/~jlenz/whynot.html

[thorny steeple]

Can u tell more about him

[scarlet stratus]

Actually everything has a proof , if there is a religion is the right religion, so it will be very correct and the other religions have many errors

[thorny steeple]

I will definitely read this !

[lavish finch]

He wrote a book called A History of Western Philosophy.

Very good book.

There is a great deal of useful information on the history of religion there.

[thorny steeple]

Okay thx it will be very helpful for correcting my grammar and knowledge.

[scarlet stratus]

@lavish finch Christianity doesn't make sense, how can I warship a god who was crucified and his Bible says that he was cursed?

[thorny steeple]

It's a very sophisticated topic and a vast one for debating

[thorny steeple]

What if I say that u don't have full knowledge and u can't blame like this on any religion

And that's very rude to say Christianity doesn't makes sense

[lavish finch]

It's ok

There are many things in the world which don't make sense

to one person

and make sense to another

[thorny steeple]

Ya that's totally true

[scarlet stratus]

Sorry for that, but I read about Christianity, actually there is a problem and it's that bible doesn't allow the pig meat, but you guys eat it, however if it's allowed, scientists discovered that pug meat contains many parasites even if it was cooked well, this is why Islam forbidden it

[scarlet stratus]

Can god has a god and warship him? Bruh

Jesus has a god and warship him regarding to bible, what is that bro? He warships the father anyway, we say that he warships himself or he warships a god, and he is already a god

[thorny steeple]

First of all I am a Hindu by faith and believe, second I don't eat non veg , third u can't say religion is bad when some people don't follow strictly and fourth it's at the end choice of people

We can't force anyone

@scarlet stratus I believe religion is made for humans , humans are not made for religion

[scarlet stratus]

I don't already, Islam even says to not force anyone to be Muslim, I just share the religion

[thorny steeple]

Rules and regulations changes with time

[scarlet stratus]

That's correct

[thorny steeple]

Well u see today some people are atheist still they do things for humanity and humanity at the end is the only and biggest religion @scarlet stratus

[scarlet stratus]

That's true

[thorny steeple]

Yup so now thanks for ur time it was a very good debate I loved it

So okay now I need to go for sleep

@scarlet stratus @lavish finch bye good night

[lavish finch]

goodnight

[scarlet stratus]

Before the sister of my grandmother die, she saw two angels in the front of the hospital, they asked her to choose the path of mercy or forgiveness, she chose the mercy, she dead with cancer anyway.. and she was suffering for years

This is a miracle in our life

[scarlet stratus]

Good night man

[scarlet stratus]

You're welcome

[thorny steeple]

At the end belief is foundation!

[thorny steeple]

No, it wasn't me there, no! Maybe it was my brothers. 🤔🤭

[dire grove]

Hello every one KRISTINE here

[scarlet stratus]

Angelline what do you want 🙂

[thorny steeple]

Now?

A very iced orange juice.

[scarlet stratus]

Why wouldn't it be now 🤔

[thorny steeple]

idk, it it takes time, I could choose a full meal.

[scarlet stratus]

Regarding to me I want some water and sleeping 8 hours

[thorny steeple]

What's preventing you?

[scarlet stratus]

Hmm I don't know

I was setting alaram

Alarm*

[thorny steeple]

Discord?

[scarlet stratus]

No, mobile, to wake up at 9 am

It's 1:31 at my country now

[thorny steeple]

ooh

good night thenn

[scarlet stratus]

good night 🌛

[thorny steeple]

Good night

[cursive estuary]

[thorny steeple]

Oii miga ❤️

[thorny steeple]

Hii Hermess

[cursive estuary]

Hi mana Angelline, what have you been on?

[thorny steeple]

Heey broo! I'm good and you? I'm on/off all the time, lol!

[cursive estuary]

I was asking for what have you been doing lately

I'm glad that you're doing good

[thorny steeple]

Ohh, sorry!! Just working and being alive! And you?

[lavish finch]

General chat is too noisy and serious chat is too quiet.

[earnest mica]

Hello

[prisma bay]

hello i am french and i would like to learn to speak and understand english as soon as possible you will have advice i don't know where to start? (I use google translation)

[thorny steeple]

[lavish finch]

I love Dwight. I better save him for the right occasion.

[dire grove]

Good evening everyone

[river stream]

that was Old Testament law. Jesus gave the ok to eat pork and shellfish too, which i didnt see you mention for some reason

[river stream]

but it does say to kill the polytheists that dont believe it. At-Tauba 5

seems like there is some compulsion there

[stiff raft]

morning,guys

[haughty bolt]

Hi there

Do you guys believe there's a real self?

[stiff raft]

oh good question

but idk

[river stream]

what do you mean?

[haughty bolt]

I mean about who you are

[stiff raft]

likelihood free will？

[haughty bolt]

I read that the word "person" is derived from Greek or something like that and that its meaning is mask

[haughty bolt]

Not exactly

When we are born, our parents raise us and they introduce you thoughts, behaviors among other things

We're shaped by our environment, our friends, family, internet

So, all of that is "me"?

Or it's just a mask and there´s nothing at the end?

[thorny steeple]

I believe, yes! It's who you are when no one is seeing.
I believe that we adapt to the situations, but our character remains the same.
And this is the true self. 🥰

But I also believe it's a construction, it can be molded, evolve and be transformed by life experiences and learnings.

[river stream]

so... apart from all the outside influences?

[haughty bolt]

Exactly, the abyss inside you

[haughty bolt]

So, constantly you are destroying and reconstructing yourself

[thorny steeple]

I wouldn't say destroy. But to shape.

Destroy would be death, haha!

I guess we are always a work in progress...

We learn and grow and comes up to us to do something useful with what we learn, right.

[slate hull]

I think those external factors only shape and influence our personalities, not our character that one remains the same

[stiff raft]

I like your answer.😊

[thorny steeple]

We are all masterpieces and work in progress at the same time. 🥰

[haughty bolt]

I think the word shape is my favorite now lol

[thorny steeple]

[slate hull]

yeahh we’re perfectly imperfect 💕💕 that’s amazing

[earnest monolith]

💯

[thorny steeple]

[haughty bolt]

Another question

How would you change the world?

[stiff raft]

As a university student, I would like to volunteer in the community during my holidays, and I think it can help a lot of people

[thorny steeple]

I don't think it's possible. I guess we "normal" individuals can only change ourselves. And that's enough, tbh. If everyone do their best to be their best, we are already changing the world. But it's not an only person job...

And I personally think the world is constantly changing itself all the time. Maybe we expect for better things and I believe things are getting better, but I don't think it's plausible a world without its aftermaths and Darksides...

[haughty bolt]

That's great dude

[slate hull]

“change the world” seems like a big thing. if everyone is willing to contribute to the betterment of the world, then the world is changing gradually and steadily in different aspects. because it’s not something that can change immediately

[haughty bolt]

Interesting, it may requires sacrifice and pain, but at the end is worth it

[haughty bolt]

Yeah, we all have to contribute, I'll try to be my best

[slate hull]

you have good questions!! keep asking i’d love to discuss with you guys

[cursive estuary]

There's an old kinda cliché saying that goes like this "If you want to change the world you first have to change yourself"

I would like to be able to think by myself.

If we all did this maybe this world would be a better place

[merry orbit]

Question! what is normal?

[thorny steeple]

Here I am sleepless again, where's @full river lulluby?! 🥺

[full river]

Sleepless again 🥹

[thorny steeple]

Nargieee

[full river]

Here is the song that it reminded me of 🙃

https://youtu.be/vGJTaP6anOU

[thorny steeple]

Omg this song is so beautiful!!!

[full river]

Humming it right now

[thorny steeple]

I can't help falling in loveee with youuu

🥺🥰

Thank you!

[full river]

A pleasure 🥰❤️

🪷

[thorny steeple]

The comments in the video:

I am happy to see some examples that true love can still exist! 🥰✨

Makes me regain faith.

[full river]

It gives hope in true love

I believe you'll also find the one you're waiting for, the one you deserve ❤️

[thorny steeple]

I hope so! I want to share my life with someone and I wish to be able to find someone to be a lot of years together, like this. 🥰✨

I love the images in my mind, LOL

[full river]

They say we attrack what we think about. Let you thoughts and wished determine your future

[thorny steeple]

Oh, currently I am so sad about this. 🥺

But I'm getting better, related to this subject.

I am trying to help myself more.

[full river]

Because of negative predictions

[full river]

Glad you feel a little better

Leaving to check other messages 🙃

[thorny steeple]

Yes 🤣

Okok! Thanks for the song!

[pallid surge]

If love is conditional can it be called true love?

[thorny steeple]

Idk, what do you think?

[pallid surge]

Often times it's the call of one man that changes the fate and lives of millions

[pallid surge]

I do not think true love exists; for love is conditional.

Perhaps to your children..

We are attracted to an idea; an idea of a person. If such a person exists and we fall in "love" with them; Is that "true love"? Maybe. but if that person changes even slightly and you feel less attracted to them; what does that mean?

[thorny steeple]

Maybe it exist for some people and others don't.

I don't know, I guess I'm currently hopeless to talk about it, lol!

[pallid surge]

Same

I'm just pondering and asking the question myself, tbh.

[thorny steeple]

I guess it exist. I like to believe it does!

[pallid surge]

Your character is made up of two factors; Your cultural and biological influences.

Your environment; doesn't dictate a certain outcome. Elsewise it'd be same for all siblings, no? not all perceive an experience the same way.

do you think you perceive reason? or experience it?

[thorny steeple]

I honestly don't know, but I know that if/when I find it someday I hope to die first because wrost than the struggle to win this lottery is to lose it, even if it's for death. 😂

[pallid surge]

I feel you

[thorny steeple]

Hello

What's up

What's going?

[merry orbit]

Personally, I think so. Yes, it can be.
We as humans used to think that conditional love is a bad thing, and it always ends up painfully.
But if we truly try to get closer, we may see that it's a part of our humans nature.
For example, the love between the mother and her kids is also somehow conditional, and by that I don't mean that she wants the love of her kids to get back to her, it's just the feeling that she's a good mother and she absolutely cares about them who gives her the motherhood's power. In other words, it's something inside out, not necessarily the opposite

[thorny steeple]

I totally understand this feeling

[pallid surge]

What is true love then? Conditional love would imply it's based on conditions; a checklist of sorts. You are falling in love with the idea of a person; So, is that true love? Maybe. But, if this person changes and they are no longer fitting your idea; and you lose attraction to them. What does that mean? Is it no longer true love? or was it never?

[lavish finch]

Hello

[pallid surge]

With children, it's intresting.

For the most part; till a certain age I think most parents unconditionally love their children, especially daughters. Though, after a certain age there are expectations.

[merry orbit]

I totally understand you pov and it's really an interesting subject for me, and I want to discuss it more it you. However, I can't right now because I'm working, should we let it 2 hours later?

[pallid surge]

Sure

later 👋

[merry orbit]

Deal

[thorny steeple]

Here we go with the love debates again. 🤣

This subject is so cyclical here.

[brisk cove]

Ideally, love should be unconditional. You brought someone into a world that is overwhelming and overstimulating for them. For the first eighteen years, the child has to learn how the world works. But even when the child becomes an adult legally, they still do not have all the rights an "adult" that an adult are expected to be capable of doing at least in America, I cconsider it to be :

A person who can live on their own or with other people outside of the home or can contribute to the household income.

It's crazy to kick your kids outside of the home at eighteen just because reasons xyz. They aren't going to be prepared unless you really outsource a lot of the learning and coping with adulthood to other people in your support system. It really does take a village to raise a kid into an adult.

And yes, I'm talking from experience as a Vietnamese-American which is quite a strange fusion.

[thorny steeple]

I don't know what is love anymore. Maybe it's an unique experience for everyone having in common the XP of feeling good towards someone.

Maybe it's just a nature trap to make people have babies.

Maybe the only one is that one from our parents and all the rest are illusions.

Maybe it's a construction, a personal one.
Maybe it's nothing and we are all trying to define something impossible to define.

[brisk cove]

Being the eldest kid of the head of the family on the dad's side of the family is quite difficult to handle the pressure. My mom was the caregiver of her side of the family and she had to take care of her family very young.

[brisk cove]

It's subjective, you make of it what you feel about love. Some people expect a lot from their children and express it differently across cultures.

[loud sonnet]

Awww my dear baby girl.
You are so right here.
having babies and families are trap of nature.
the love we talk about is nothing more than the chemcial reaction in the brain
the more we gain experience the more we relaise it's trap.
And if you want to actually know what love is then you must know the realtion between Nature-human-consciousness-salvation(liberation)

[brisk cove]

The best people usually are molded like phoenixes. They are underdogs capable of being resilient and strong.

[thorny steeple]

Hi dad!! 🥰 ikr! Maybe it's all illusion. I don't know anymore. I hope I am wrong.

[loud sonnet]

why you hoping to be wrong?

[thorny steeple]

About love being only illusion.

[loud sonnet]

yeah and why you hoping about love being only illusion?
why not accept it?

[thorny steeple]

It's sad. Takes out all the fun.

[loud sonnet]

Well then you must learn the actual meaning of love.

then you will get away from the fake illusional love.

[thorny steeple]

I am the one who loves to talk about it so much because I don't have one. 😂

If I have I would be living it not talking it.

[loud sonnet]

we fantasie about things which we don't have.
but when we have it then only we know the truth about it.

[thorny steeple]

We love what we don't have right.

[loud sonnet]

That's not actually right.

[thorny steeple]

We can't lose what we never had.

Share your wisdom, dad. 🤣

[loud sonnet]

how can you love something which you don't have?
what if you never heard about it?
how can you love such thing?

Aight
i will share my wisdom
but first share your views on love, attraction, lust, relationships, human bonding, human love for nature(birds, pets, and flowers)

what type of love you actually want in your life?

[thorny steeple]

Omg that's a lot of topics, let's break it into parts! Hahaha

[loud sonnet]

Let's start with the defination of love.

[thorny steeple]

I guess we love the ideia, right! This makes things easier when you can't be with the person, for example.

[loud sonnet]

So you saying love is only when we have a person in our life and that person must be of opposite gender and can only be ours?

[thorny steeple]

Omg, I feel like I got reproved in an exam and I need to do the same exam again. 🤣

Last month it was this subject here, I even participated in a debate speaking.

"What is Love"

It's in James Green YouTube channel.

[loud sonnet]

hmmm this is not the debate this is the serious chatting about love.

[thorny steeple]

Recorded.

[loud sonnet]

July 30?

[thorny steeple]

Ok, so let's go. Give your definition.

[loud sonnet]

how can i give general defination?
When love hold different meaning for everyone

[thorny steeple]

I guess, yes.

[thorny steeple]

That's a good question.

[loud sonnet]

That's a deep question and i want deep answer.

[thorny steeple]

Hmmm, a love that doesn't makes me wondering if I ever matter in the first place. 🥰

That makes my life XP better, not worse.

Someone that appreciate my efforts.

[loud sonnet]

XP-experience?
or gaming health term XP?

[thorny steeple]

Experience, hahaha!

[loud sonnet]

okok

continue

[tough gull]

Hey chat

[thorny steeple]

I like dedication, you know. And I also love to be there for someone and make things for the person. I like these efforts are recognized.

Hey puppiee

[loud sonnet]

that's all?

[thorny steeple]

Do you want me to be here all day?

[loud sonnet]

if that's what bring you peace and solution?
then yes stay here for decades.

[thorny steeple]

🤣🤣🤣

You are so cool omg

[loud sonnet]

"Hmmm, a love that doesn't makes me wondering if I ever matter in the first place."

So you want approval of someone else?
Why? You are not enough in yourself? Why anyone else has to prove your existence? And why you even think that any other person is worthy enough to prove your existence? What if someone who is approving your existence, is not worthy enough to exist in the first place?

Ouch these are lot of questions you don't have to answer them just answer them inside your mind.

[thorny steeple]

This is not what I was talking about

🤣🤣🤣

[loud sonnet]

"Someone that appreciate my efforts."

Do you appericate your own efforts? Do you love yourself enough to give compliments to yourself?

[thorny steeple]

Oh Jesus here we go to the therapy again

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I do! You asked me what I wanted, why would I be with someone who doesn't appreciates me?

[loud sonnet]

"And I also love to be there for someone and make things for the person."

You are pure soul, and i really love when people make efforts for others.
And i agree with you here, when you make efforts for others they must notice it and apperciate it.

[thorny steeple]

Damn, this is very important for me. In my family, I was never appreciated. 😅

[loud sonnet]

That's how they can prove that YES you matter for me and your efforts are well noticed. Thanks for your efforts.

[ornate siren]

Baby don't hurt me (3x), no more.

[loud sonnet]

so you want to fulfill your past desires from the future person?

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

Of course, who don't?! 🤣

[loud sonnet]

and that person must be only your partner and no one else?

[thorny steeple]

At least I'm doing it consciously.

[thorny steeple]

I love to see you having sense of humor!!! Hahaha

[thorny steeple]

Nah, noooo!

[loud sonnet]

yeah everybody seek approvals, nothing wrong in that.
but the question is will you still do work for someone who may never notice your efforts?

[thorny steeple]

This conversation is becoming a mess. 🤣

[loud sonnet]

i love mess.

[thorny steeple]

No, I stop.

[devout shale]

[thorny steeple]

I guess nothing is better than the XP of loving someone soooo sosososososooo much and they loving you back sososososo much tooooo! Dats so cute! 🥰🥰✨

[loud sonnet]

dats cute yes.
but that's temorary as well

[thorny steeple]

But why we are always talking about me?

[thorny steeple]

I want one who's not temporary.

[devout shale]

That's life main quest

[loud sonnet]

Then you must love something which was never temporary.

[thorny steeple]

Yes!

Do you know those couples that stay together and happy for 50 years? I want this.

Let me highlight HAPPY

Hahahaha!!!

[loud sonnet]

soooooo, you want a male who will appericiate your work and always love you and stay with you for 50 years.
That's all you want?

[devout shale]

Everyone loves you

[thorny steeple]

Thank God because I love them too! 🥰✨

[thorny steeple]

Yes

And give me gifts because I wanna a princess life.

I want to be old and still be princess life 🥰🥰✨

[drowsy lance]

Are you capable of giving the prince treatment then?

[thorny steeple]

100%

[drowsy lance]

We woudn't mind gifting you then.

[thorny steeple]

Ok and what about you guys? I am always talking about me, it's becoming boring.

[drowsy lance]

What do you wanna listen?

[thorny steeple]

I don't know, what is important for you? In this topic? Maybe you would like to recall this chat a bit.

[loud sonnet]

That's a small list.
But full of innocence
so we are out stocl for such human

[drowsy lance]

Actually I'm new.

[loud sonnet]

let me share my point of view on love.

[thorny steeple]

Can you share your list with us???

I'm curious!!

anyone know about double slit experiment?

[thorny steeple]

Of course!!

[thorny steeple]

Welcomeeee then ✨🥰

[devout shale]

I do

[thorny steeple]

talk about physichs and boring is not part of your life anymore

[drowsy lance]

So warm.

[thorny steeple]

what is it?

[thorny steeple]

Let's talk about physics then! What do you think about quantum physics?

[devout shale]

Experiment on duality of particles

[thorny steeple]

quantum physics is so confusing but yet its so intuitive xD

[thorny steeple]

This is that effect about observation of a particle? When it's been observed it's one result. When it's not, it's another result?! Jesus I'm Terrible explaining this in English! 🤣

[drowsy lance]

Relativity is really interesting. You guys would also want to read the book by Stephen Hockins titled 'A brief history of time'

[earnest monolith]

[thorny steeple]

Feel free to share your thoughts too!

[thorny steeple]

I think it's so interesting!!

[thorny steeple]

yes its like something supernatural @devout shale why is the electron behave like that when observed and when didnt

[devout shale]

It demonstrates that light behaves like particles when it is observed and like waves when not

[loud sonnet]

so, when i was younger maybe 12 i guess i got to know about facebook, made account started adding random people, added one girl from philiphinese, got to know her, got into relationship (i didn't knew anything about realtionship back then, we just used to chat all day and used to say i love you.)
My phone broke and i lost contact.
Parents bought me new after 2 years- forgot the password of old account, made new, added new friends, added some indian girls, got into relationship again.
It was good, i was enjoying attention i was recieving.
this all happened till the age of 20, one day i refelected back on my life and relationship.
and realisation hit me, that these relationships and feelings are temporary and nothing unique in them no matter how many relationship i get into.
By the age of 20 i have almost 10 relationship - enjoy everyone of them.

[drowsy lance]

Yup

[thorny steeple]

girl be my friend please 🤣

[thorny steeple]

The Zeno effect.

[thorny steeple]

I am heree

[devout shale]

Also do you know the schrodinger cat thought experiment?

[earnest monolith]

What 10 ?

[thorny steeple]

i understand that zeno effect but its doesnt really explain why the particle behave differently when observed

[thorny steeple]

But it was all through internet, right! I did met my first bf through Facebook. How much I regret it! LOL

[devout shale]

I think that's one of the miseries of the universe

[thorny steeple]

yes i know its interesting but this double slit makes more sense to me than a poisoned cat in a gas chamber

[thorny steeple]

are you with einstein or with niels bohr?

[thorny steeple]

I guess it's the observer presence.

[thorny steeple]

hmmm so our thought and presence can effect reality? its like supernatural things to me not physics anymore xd

[thorny steeple]

The cat is alive or death? Or both?

[loud sonnet]

But nothing seems to work, not feeling peace, not having the sense of settlement and fulfillment.
And i was always interested in spirituality and philiosphy, then i asked my teacher about the love. (he is a spiritual teacher)
then he told me, love is something which is beyond the reach of human being, you must learn the actual meaning of love, he shared the story of a gardner and garden.
where gardner don't love specific flower more, but the whole garden which equal passionate and compassion.
You are thinking you are in love with some beautiful girl.
That's not love that's mere attraction.
Love is when you love the girl, the garden, the globe.

[earnest monolith]

Both

[loud sonnet]

6 of them online, 4 of them offline.

[thorny steeple]

50% 50% superposition xd

[thorny steeple]

100%!

[devout shale]

I think Einstein was limited by his beliefs, he didn't want to accept the consequences of the experiment, he said: "I don't think the moon is not there when I don't look at it"

[thorny steeple]

All the conception of physics exists due to the human existence in the first place so.......

[thorny steeple]

he said that superposition is the unability for human to measure quantum state, there is missing equations in quantum physics. its kinda impossible for particle to be in 2 state at the same time "god doesnt play dice with world"

[thorny steeple]

I guess this attraction is the first step, and then if it grows... It's love like a construction. However, I feel like 12yo is too young lol

[devout shale]

It's in a superposition, that means it's both until you observe it, but that's just an assumption, most scientists think you can't really apply quantum mechanics rules to macroscopic objects

[thorny steeple]

Not diminish of course.

[thorny steeple]

make sense xd

[thorny steeple]

Indeed.

[thorny steeple]

You're a very lived man. Haha!

[drowsy lance]

So, you wanna say, love comes when we love the whole universe. So does that mean one has to love all the girls?

[loud sonnet]

Okie, so me and my teacher had 2 hour talk on this topic.
where we literally discussed the birth of universe and essence of love beyond the earth, how and what was love where there were no human beings.
I still remember that discussion.

[thorny steeple]

its so weird that particle like have their own mind they know when someone observed and when dont. the particles go back in time and change their state

[thorny steeple]

I believe we can! We just can't prove it yet. (Personal opinion).

[thorny steeple]

yes you cannot

[loud sonnet]

it means when you really understand the love, you can't keep yourself from loving just one person, you love everyone equally.
Like mother love every child equally.
Like Sun give it's warmth to every living being equally.
Like this nature provide shelter and home to every living being equally.

[thorny steeple]

Good question!

[thorny steeple]

Sounds very interesting!!!

[thorny steeple]

It could be proven some kind of consciousness, right! If I'm using the right word.

[thorny steeple]

its false imo, love doesnt mean you have to love anything, love is special when you love everyone i think its not love anymore its more like a maniac and bigotry practices

[thorny steeple]

My romantic love is for only one man. 😤

[brisk cove]

Hey guys, I react just to react like a react channel.

[thorny steeple]

i understand your point but my logic is denying that our consciousness is related to physics its more related to theology

[brisk cove]

You guys like reading?

[loud sonnet]

It's so sad to see love mean sex and physical relationship.

[thorny steeple]

My perspective is that everything is happening at the same time.

[drowsy lance]

Then what is the context when two human beings care for each other and understand each other where as he doesn't understand other girl. Isn't this love

[thorny steeple]

We make those separations for convenience.

[devout shale]

That's a good point since time is relative

[thorny steeple]

physical relationship is part of love we cant deny that

[brisk cove]

Time goes faster when you're having fun, but time can go slower if you are on drugs.

[thorny steeple]

school is time machine

[loud sonnet]

taking care of someone is also love.
And you can't keep your partner exclusive of your care.
if someone else need your care you have to take care of them as well.
care is another name for love.

[thorny steeple]

Definitely! I can love a lot of people, but do these things I'll only do with my trustable partner! Period!

[drowsy lance]

Isn't that charity?

[thorny steeple]

Yes 🥰

[loud sonnet]

but not the main chapter.
If love is a book, then sex is just a paragraph some chapter.

[thorny steeple]

Yes! And the Theory of Relativeness (?) talks about it very well.

[thorny steeple]

agreed

[thorny steeple]

Let's put things this way: romantic love, ok! I can love my friends and don't want to sleep with them, lol!

[formal furnace]

If it was one way type of care yes it is charity and there is no need to waste your time on it. But it is not

[loud sonnet]

Doing charity once a while is good thing?
You gotta give back to the earth.
earth is taking care of every living being for free, and what we doing in exchange? Harming it with whatever we got?
So doing charity once in a while is a gesture of showing your appericiation to the mother earth and showing graditude is showing that you are human being.

[thorny steeple]

There are different kinds of love.

then what is love? i cant love people equally i think its humane right? imagine loving stranger equally like you love your mother

[thorny steeple]

Love is a book and this is a whole chapter! 🤣

[devout shale]

@thorny steeple what about parallel universes, that's one theoric consequence of double slit experiment

[frigid onyx]

true it your right

[devout shale]

Right

[thorny steeple]

its gonna be the greatest prodigy if theres a people can love everyone equally

I am laughing loud a lot here

[loud sonnet]

what is your questions again?

[drowsy lance]

Why

[loud sonnet]

sure make it whole chapter, but don't make it the book itself.

[thorny steeple]

Because this chat is so messy with love, physics, charity!

[thorny steeple]

name 10 books

[drowsy lance]

Love is complicated.

[loud sonnet]

It's not?

[devout shale]

Serious-mess

[frigid onyx]

.atomic habits

[loud sonnet]

it's complicated when we add conditions in it.

[thorny steeple]

IKRRR

[thorny steeple]

Agree 💯

[thorny steeple]

I have heard that before, so theres 2 possibilites from superposition for example you got result A so in the other universe you got the B result

[thorny steeple]

Maybe it's us that makes it complicated, right!

[thorny steeple]

name 10 books sid -matna

[devout shale]

Yea endless branches

[frigid onyx]

what is the difference between saying i like u or i love u???

[thorny steeple]

For me, love is stronger.

[drowsy lance]

Ya maybe. Thinking a lot upon love, I think love has not to be limited to one person.

[thorny steeple]

following

[devout shale]

In Italy we have a third option which is somewhat in the middle

[thorny steeple]

For me, depends on the type of love. Romantic love for me is limited to one person and it's very very different from other kinds of love. But it can be a personal view.

[drowsy lance]

Like means you think someone or some action is exciting to you but love is acceptance

[thorny steeple]

im a kind of person that doesnt believe if there is no factual stuff to search, thats why im more interested to find out about this observer effect first then move to multiverse maybe

[frigid onyx]

who is most stronger love, the love of your mom or the love of your girlfriend ?????????????????

[thorny steeple]

What is it?

[thorny steeple]

or it might just prooved that we are living in a simulation LMAO

[drowsy lance]

Love isn't comparable, you can rate the bonding

[devout shale]

"ti voglio bene"

[thorny steeple]

They are different, no "competition". It would be the same as ask "what about the love of your man x love of your father". It's pointless.

[drowsy lance]

You could always have another partner if you breakup with one.

[thorny steeple]

Awwwnnn thanks 🥰🥰✨

[devout shale]

Who knows, everything is possible

[loud sonnet]

Why love has to be just for a person?
You can love your work.(and you can only love when it hold deep meaning for you)
Love your self (take care of your body, mind and soul)
love your room (keep it clean and organized)
love your mom(take care of her health)
Love your friend(guide them for better future)
Love your wife (because she will be with you for life.)
Love your pet (because that pet is your responsiblity)
Love your car (because you bought it with so much passion)
Love your cloths (because they keep your warm)
love your hobbies (because they provide fun and memories in your life)
Love strangers (because maybe no one is loving them.)
Now you see- when you love one person more, you doing injustice to every other.
And when you love and take care of everything equally, you will feel more calm and in peace.
Love is gift from the creator, use it wisely.

[brisk cove]

Yea, I love reading too. Especially fiction books and I have some pretty good anime, but I want my subscriptions back in the morning, k thx, bai!

[thorny steeple]

you are not real brother

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I guess this ideia bothers me too. It kind of makes all of this meaningless, right. That's why I guess love is also about decision.

[devout shale]

I like to explore extreme ideas

[thorny steeple]

I told you there are different kinds of love! With different interactions, feelings, etc.

[thorny steeple]

love your messages because you write it so long with so much passion

[thorny steeple]

Haha! Byee

[thorny steeple]

that is extreme enough

[loud sonnet]

Feeling is same inside your heart, just the object changes.

[thorny steeple]

sid how to love a serial killer

[loud sonnet]

by killing them.

[thorny steeple]

nice

[thorny steeple]

No, the feeling I have for my work is way different than I have for my mom or friends, for example.

[thorny steeple]

Love me.

[loud sonnet]

because work may hold no deeper values to you.

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

I love everyone

like what sid say

[thorny steeple]

Of course it holds!!!

[devout shale]

If you think about it even black holes were considered an extreme idea

[loud sonnet]

and when you love doesn't mean you cant kill someone, if that's best for them then kill them.

[thorny steeple]

You asked, I answered. 💅🏻

[devout shale]

But now we know they exists

[thorny steeple]

nah for me its mainstream already, its just a general relativity casuality

[loud sonnet]

and ofcourse it will be different in general, But it is same deep inside.
And if you don't feel it, then you are not there yet.

[thorny steeple]

oh yeah they were xd

i love you sid and krmx

[loud sonnet]

I love you more.

[thorny steeple]

nah me more more

[loud sonnet]

and when you love, you don't start shouting it, you just smile.

[thorny steeple]

🙂

[loud sonnet]

then marry my daughter

[thorny steeple]

😭

[devout shale]

@thorny steeple 🥰

[thorny steeple]

I've been left outside 🥺

[drowsy lance]

I'm there

[devout shale]

No

[thorny steeple]

Me and Thirsty

[loud sonnet]

then drink water

[thorny steeple]

The unloved ones in the serious-mess.

[thorny steeple]

i love your daughter but im not affectionate to your daughter

I'm already doing it lol

[drowsy lance]

No worries, Elon Musk is preparing mars for us.

[thorny steeple]

Radhey radhey

[thorny steeple]

Let's goooo

[loud sonnet]

affection will be born when you two will start living with each other.
You will get used to her and you will miss her when she will be not around and that's how you will have affection.

[loud sonnet]

Radhey Radhey.

[thorny steeple]

Are you intermediate in English but I'm not

[loud sonnet]

I don't know?
maybe i am intermediate.

[thorny steeple]

You choose an intermediate role , see you profile

[loud sonnet]

then maybe i am 😂

[thorny steeple]

im in superposition between beginner and intermediate

[thorny steeple]

Yes you're

[loud sonnet]

You are intermediate as well, if you can write and understand what we talking about.

[loud sonnet]

do you know about string theory?

[thorny steeple]

yes i know

its part of quantum theory if im not mistaken

[loud sonnet]

so what you think?
how the universe was created?
by big bang of String theory?

[thorny steeple]

I understand but I can't speak properly and as well I can't type ....

[loud sonnet]

Then practice in voice channel.

[thorny steeple]

I actually write a script about creation of the universe and big bang is way more make sense for me since they told it pretty detail and have decent factual proof to backup their argument

[thorny steeple]

In this server there are all people who have different accents so it may be hard to understand

[loud sonnet]

that's what i meant by practice.
You will grapse their accent.

[loud sonnet]

have you ever read about string theory?

[thorny steeple]

😓

[thorny steeple]

I do its still doesnt make any sense for me they doesnt have any factual proof

Okie I'll try

[loud sonnet]

Hmmmmmmmm, let's discuss on big bang some day.

also do you consider the existence of creator while look at all those proofs?

[thorny steeple]

Im 100% believe in creator look at the sky and youll find the proof

[loud sonnet]

why sky, why not around you.

[thorny steeple]

yeah its not have to be sky, around you is already full of creator existence proof

[loud sonnet]

Aight, we can vibe together then.
You are man of culture as well.
Who love anything and everything.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah its doesnt make anysense for me if there is no god in the world

[loud sonnet]

So which religion you follow?

[thorny steeple]

Anything that make sense for me i follow

[loud sonnet]

which make more sense to you?

[thorny steeple]

I only believe there is one true god, there is cant be multiple god at the same time who is the most omnipotent one then?

[thorny steeple]

I dont know

[thorny steeple]

but this is what i believe at least

[loud sonnet]

what stopping you to speak?

[loud sonnet]

that's the right belief

[thorny steeple]

you just need to be certain about your belief if you believe there is 100 god then its fine xd

[loud sonnet]

there is not 100 gods.

there is just 1

[thorny steeple]

but i only believe there is only 1 omnipotent supreme being, one true champion that worth to worshipped

[loud sonnet]

ahahaha
you can't worship the creator.

[devout shale]

I think god doesn't need to get worshipped

[thorny steeple]

yeah god doesnt need us

but we need god

thats why worshipping word came to existence because we need god not because god need us

[loud sonnet]

Worshipping come into existence because people started seeking the powers of creators so that they can rule on others.

and if we don't have desires to rule then we don't need creator.
if we don't need it we don't worship
if we don't worship and care about creator then only we actually worship the creator.

[thorny steeple]

depends on what viewpoint are you seeking into

but youre not totally wrong yeah people need creators power so they can rule and have more power on the earth

but not everyone thirsty of powers imo

[devout shale]

Assuming it exists

[thorny steeple]

its not a god if needed something else

[loud sonnet]

if you are worshipping the creator then it's mean you are insulting him?
How? Because when you worship we worship to the idea, and if you are making idea of something which is infinite and beyond the time and physics laws then you are insulting him by thinking of him into the physical world and inside the time.
and if you really want to worship then just do your work without caring about his existence.

[thorny steeple]

then do we need to pray in your opinion?

like we want a good live, etc

[loud sonnet]

Good live come from the hard work
You cant have a good live seating on couch and praying to the god with your hand folded.
life become easy when your hand are always in action and not folded to some imaginary powers.

[thorny steeple]

agreed

but you cant get rich either without god power

[loud sonnet]

You can only talk about creator when you don't think about it.
It's strange but true

[loud sonnet]

to get rich
you have to be at the right place at the right time.

[thorny steeple]

yeah and its all depends on god, if god say no then you wouldnt be there

[loud sonnet]

People are rich by doing corruption, do you think they pray to god before doing corruption?

[thorny steeple]

nope

but god let them do corruption without god power they cannot do corruption

[loud sonnet]

to be honest, creator has nothing to do with us, and creator doesn't give a shit about us.
this earth is like bubble in time

and

it's a good thing

[thorny steeple]

what im going to tell is we have no freewill lmao

[loud sonnet]

we do have free will.

[thorny steeple]

do you believe that god is omniscience?

[loud sonnet]

Hmmmmm.
can i explain a bit about the Vedant teachings?

[thorny steeple]

sure

[loud sonnet]

according to Vedant.
there is creator{beyond matter} (the consiousness)
there is nature {matter} ( which has somewhat consciousness)
because nature is part of the creator but not the creator
And then we have human with the ego(ego of knowing we exists)
but because we are born inside the nature, we think of ourselves as nature, but our true nature is consciousness, beacuse we are consciouss.
and that's what vedant teach us about.
and that's why we suffer, we are living in the nature but we don't belong here, so we have uneasy in our lives all the time.
and when we feel uneasy, we try to find peace, and we name them love, partner, relationships and desires, passions etc.
but the true peace come when we become one with consciousness.
because becoming one with consciousness is in human nature.

[thorny steeple]

ah its hinduism right?

[loud sonnet]

and why i told all this?
because we choose to stay with nature and not with consciousness.
and if we had zero freewill, then either we would have been living without consciousness, or we would have become one with consciouness.

[loud sonnet]

it is actually from Geeta.

[thorny steeple]

is it a way of living or religion?

[loud sonnet]

becoming one with consiousness is the way of living.

you can be from any religion, but becoming one with the creator is the actual goal of human being.

[thorny steeple]

ah i understand

but is your creator omniscience?

[loud sonnet]

wait

you literally said, there is only one creator, now you are saying "your creator"?\

[thorny steeple]

yes i dont think we have the same idea about creator

[loud sonnet]

ideas can be different because they come from human.
but the creator is one.

😂

[thorny steeple]

ah i understand

what is the definition of creator in your opinion then?

[loud sonnet]

i literally told you.

who is consciouss.

you can call gravity the consciouss law.

[thorny steeple]

consiousness?

[loud sonnet]

you can call thermodynamics the conscious law.

do i have to define consciousness?

[thorny steeple]

so god according to you is not a being?

[thorny steeple]

yes pls im confused about your creator definition

[loud sonnet]

No.

he's not physical.

he's beyond the matter state.

he is beyond the time and space.

[thorny steeple]

yes being is not always physical

is he supernatural?

[loud sonnet]

supernatural also have meaning which we can relate to ghosts and spooky incidents.
then i won't use the word supernatural

[thorny steeple]

then what is he, is he created you to existence?

[loud sonnet]

i can't say a word.
because any word will be insult to the creator.
Like Buddha said.
we can't say anything about creator, we can only talk about it's creation.

[thorny steeple]

i understand

i want to know more tho

[loud sonnet]

if you want to know more then know about creation.

[thorny steeple]

like my surroundings?

surroundings is part of creator in verdant teaching right? is my bed room one of it? just asking tho purely curious

i started to understand

[loud sonnet]

the nature.
the animals.
the human beings.
Tree, rivers, rocks, mountains, clouds, sky, ocean.
You yourself.
The dream, the illusion.
The sleep and restless.
the fear and the pleasure.

[thorny steeple]

im enough with human beings tbh allot of them are so evil

[loud sonnet]

then read more about evil

[pallid surge]

we are talking about god?

[thorny steeple]

do you believe in afterlive?

[loud sonnet]

No.

[loud sonnet]

If you talking about killing the physical body and taking birth in heaven or hell?
then no i don't respect such ideas.

[loud sonnet]

but we talking about creator.

[thorny steeple]

i see yeah its similar to buddha teaching you believe in reincarnation right?

[pallid surge]

Which is esseaintly god; just that god would both be the creator and the universal authority.

[loud sonnet]

No, reincarnation is also not the teaching of buddha.
I mean yes he talked about reincarnation, but it's not as the world understand it has much more deeper meaning

[loud sonnet]

No, God and the creator both hold different meaning.

[thorny steeple]

i mean its the same as buddha teaching

[pallid surge]

What is the difference other than authority?

[loud sonnet]

hindu has talked about Reincarnation but it is misunderstood by people

[thorny steeple]

different meaning but its actually the same creator is your god, god is your creator

[thorny steeple]

Yes

[loud sonnet]

god shows authority on this universe.
creator don't give a damn about the universe.

[thorny steeple]

I see so you believe in creator but doesnt believe in god

[pallid surge]

Why would the creator not care about their own creation?

[loud sonnet]

SOOOOOOOOOO.
We have different idea of God.
We have DemiGod
We have God
And then we talked about Creator.

[thorny steeple]

you have power you can do anything, whatever god do is none of human business we cant say that god doesnt give a damn about universe or creator because we never know

[thorny steeple]

im started to confused again, i was started to understand b4

so your god is not your creator?

[pallid surge]

I agree;

[pallid surge]

I think he is trying to say; there are multiple gods;

[loud sonnet]

You won't be able to understand it without knowing what i am talking about.
Ofcourse he does care about it, but not the way we think.
when we say Creator care about its creation.
we talk about EVERY CREATION OF HIS. Not JUST HUMAN BEING.
That's the difference
and what we human being think when we say creator care about its creation mean he just care about us
Like the example of Lucifer, just because he is perfect doesn't mean he is the only one.

[thorny steeple]

God doesnt need human then why he created us? its merely for fun imo

[pallid surge]

Which i think is honestly contradicatory and will never function; nor can it be true. but that's just my opinion

[pallid surge]

So, he does care; just not about us. About everything, all his creations.

[loud sonnet]

Like i said
demigod
god and then creator.

In our history we use to help demi gods
and pray to the God.
But the creator, he is beyond our reach and that's who creator is

[thorny steeple]

sid in your teaching if you are a bad guy what are you gonna go after dead?

[loud sonnet]

yes. BUt it hurt our ego, knowing we are not in the centre.

[pallid surge]

I mean idk, i'm agnostic.

However, I like to believe in the existense of god; elsewise we won't have natural rights.

If we do not have natural rights, we do not have rights. There is no good or bad.

no right or wrong.

[loud sonnet]

he become soil.
but he is bad, the he's suffering every second.

[thorny steeple]

so you became suffering soil?

[loud sonnet]

Ahahahaha No.
I meant

[thorny steeple]

xD

[thorny steeple]

yeah i do believe we human doesnt have freewill

[pallid surge]

You think we don't have freewill?

[thorny steeple]

yes

[pallid surge]

What is you understanding of freewill?

[loud sonnet]

If someone is bad, then they are suffering throughout their life.
Like you can't say a monk and a rapist is living the same life with same mental peace.
same way bad person don't live the life of a good guy.
So if someone choose to become bad, their life start to take U turn and things will get worse.

[thorny steeple]

so after dead theres no more suffering?

[loud sonnet]

If there is no more sense of suffering then suffering ends as well.

[pallid surge]

Is your argument there is an objective "bad". Or mental suffering defines someone is bad

[thorny steeple]

free to choose anything that could happen in your life

[pallid surge]

because believe me there are tons of terrible people who are enjoying the pleasure of harming others.

[thorny steeple]

yeah agreed

[loud sonnet]

the defination of pleasure is wrong here.

[pallid surge]

Do you not think; you are able to do whatever you want? Do you feel restricted?

[thorny steeple]

no i dont feel restricted

[pallid surge]

So, what makes you think you do not have freewill

[thorny steeple]

god must be omniscience and god cant be wrong, god know all my future and my past and what my future is always according to god knowledge, if im gonna be good then thats what god knows about me i cant change that because god cant be wrong.

its like i dont feel restricted but actually what im doing is always according to god knowledge.

[pallid surge]

Or think about it this way; he could be seeing a million different outcomes

[thorny steeple]

then what is pleasure definition

[thorny steeple]

doesnt care trillion outcomes always ended in 1 outcome

[loud sonnet]

It's like saying
If i will throw a ball in the sky then it will come back.
that's the god doing.

No that's not true.
You yourself throws a ball first and then it fall back on earth.

it's simple phsyics
whenever their is action then their is reaction.

[thorny steeple]

for example i have a choice to use red shirt or blue shirt tomorrow, im gonne looks like a nitwit if im using both shirt at the same time, i have to choose one and my choice is always the same as god knowledge since the beginning of time

[pallid surge]

Your logic is faulty.

Your argument is god has to know a certain outcome; for otherwise he could be wrong.

The issue is there is no wrong or right. Only the creator, the universal authority could dictate what is right and wrong.

He can predict a million different outcomes; He does not need to know a singular outcome.

[devout shale]

what do you think the real meaning is

[thorny steeple]

no sid our understanding of god is totally different i want to know yours because its kinda interesting to me

[loud sonnet]

Pleasure is just one.
becoming one with creator.

[thorny steeple]

then what happen to people that enjoying doing bad stuff and doesnt ended up on becoming one with creator?

[loud sonnet]

You act on your own, then you will have the consiquences of your action.
It's karma.

[pallid surge]

In the afterlife?

[thorny steeple]

no god doesnt need to predict brother, god knows 100% about me already if god playing dice with my life it means god doesnt know me 100%

[loud sonnet]

you have to know the meaning of birth first.
The birth of body and the self realisation.

[pallid surge]

Because there have been many men over the years; that have done terrible crimes and died peacefully and lived a good life.

[brisk cove]

I think spirituality are interconnected with religion. Both can coexist at once. Just do not trust false prophets or take the words of people too seriously or too much too heart until they can flesh out it all and establish credibility.

[pallid surge]

God does not need to know you 100%.

It's your assumtion and beleif that he does, but he doesn't have to.

[thorny steeple]

yes how about people that doing bad stuff and died where they go? became soil and doesnt get any judgement for what they do in the live?

[thorny steeple]

it means god not omniscience

[brisk cove]

omniscience?

[loud sonnet]

That's what i am saying, we think ourselves the centre of everything.
Its always about we human.
If god know 100% about you then he also know 100% about your shirt, your pet life, your home life, your negibours, your city, your country, your planet.
like that he knows about everything, they why would he only care about you.
knowing doesn't meaning caring.
and that's why i said he doesn't give a shit about us.

[loud sonnet]

The judgment is there since the begining.

[brisk cove]

That's why no one should be put on a pedestal.

We all have to collectively humble ourselves and reconsider what it means to have faith in humanity.

[devout shale]

i know self realization is understanding oneness, and according to hindu we are born in the world because we were bored of being infinite and needed to limit ourself to discover our infinity once again

[brisk cove]

And how to restore that faith, but it takes a lot of trust and time.

Also, writing style does matter in your message. For good writing, it takes a lot of edits and thorough readings to go through it properly.

[loud sonnet]

becoming bored is human concept 😂
how come god become bored and gave birth to universe and become human on planet earth
cmon you can do much better

[thorny steeple]

creating us already means care imo

[devout shale]

i summed up, tell me your view

[thorny steeple]

agreed

[brisk cove]

By the way, you could take inspiration for writing from video games like Elden Ring. Their writing and dialogue is fantastic.

[loud sonnet]

i will be teaching this world about Buddha so that human can have the taste of infinte.

[thorny steeple]

or supermario is my favorite

[loud sonnet]

your parents created you

[thorny steeple]

who created my parents?

[loud sonnet]

if you go back on the tree of your ancestores then it will sum up to the ocean ameba.

[thorny steeple]

who create the ameba

[loud sonnet]

and if you go more back in time, then we all are star dust.

[pallid surge]

Astro question for you

[thorny steeple]

i know that calcium in our bones is from star dust, but who create star dust

[pallid surge]

how did god come to existense? Did someone create god?

[loud sonnet]

Star dust is there since infinity
because it's matter.

[pallid surge]

Where does he exist? is a sapce required? If so, who created such a space?

[brisk cove]

At whatever age you guys are at, you need to know that everyone's POV is different. Everyone has their own way of life and thinking. Everyone has their own things to take care of, but that doesn't mean we're not meant to come together. But it also means we should consider the hierarchial system we have put in our cultures, collectively, we have put up mostly patriarchial societies, but there were some matriarchial-dominated societies as well. Women in particular hold a lot of influence in the household and men fought, but that is a thing in the past. What we can learn from the past is the perspective of why they had to fight so god damn hard.

[thorny steeple]

no infinite time and infinite space

[devout shale]

you will become bored if you have everything you can conceive whenever you want

[thorny steeple]

no its not infinity if you learn physics in the end all gonna vanished

[pallid surge]

Who created time and space?

[loud sonnet]

That's so wrong.
want is like having desires.
and desires only come when we feel incomplete.
and if God feel incomplete then how come he is god

[thorny steeple]

law of conservation of energy

[loud sonnet]

Summer up in pin point.

[loud sonnet]

Physics and quantum physics both have different theory on the matter and universe.
And it's creation.
So who we should trust?
or whom we should question?

[thorny steeple]

no beginning and no end it means no one created it

[brisk cove]

We all can't be hyperresponsible for our actions when other people feel alarmed at the message. There are indeed authentic people out there who are passionate about what they talk about. It is not the irresponsibility that is the problem, but it is about addressing the root of the problem knowing where it came from and if there was actual malice involved.

That could explain why old people have to be so in touch with religion and be dedicated to their faith. It was because life in the 20th century was hell. Science was misused against the religious minorities and many people died because of scientific mishaps.

[thorny steeple]

no i think god created time god is not in the same timeline as ours

and god created space

[devout shale]

so how do you think it works

[thorny steeple]

if you believe in creator then the star dust is must be created lmao

[brisk cove]

Probably the most important thing to address in religion and politics is ethics and responsibilities. But not only that, there must be some idea of virtues put back into practice and the
It is important to address safety first, then security second, then the respect of societal figures third.

[loud sonnet]

Yes
and like i said earlier
matter born from the creator.

[thorny steeple]

agreed you have a good point here

[brisk cove]

Religion is still important to people much like the sciences and humanities are.

[loud sonnet]

i have to explain so much just to answer that question
let me know when you are avilable for VC

[brisk cove]

STEM is important to engineering and military science but is so much god damn work.

STEAM is the future of our media.

[thorny steeple]

ok so creator give a birth to the star dust = created it, stardust created amoeba, amoeba created humans, humans created my parents, my parents created me. in the end my creation is because creator gave birth to star dust

[brisk cove]

We really need to encourage more fiction writing and nonfiction reading & writing.

Maybe then we don't have to keep getting garbage books

[loud sonnet]

Yeah you are the creation of the creator.

[brisk cove]

I actually want to stay young so I don't get Alzheimer's. After all, our days are numbered.

[thorny steeple]

Not me

[thorny steeple]

it means creator care about us there is something on us

[loud sonnet]

Just because he creator doesn't mean he has to care.

and i am not denying the fact that he care about us.
Yes he does.

[brisk cove]

I don't believe in a god, but I believe in inner peace and living onward to the next life. It's a Buddhist philosophy kind of thing I want to study. I was raised Roman Catholic and it taught me to work hard and sacrifice for others in a responsible way.

[loud sonnet]

i am arguing on different point here.

[brisk cove]

im just talking

[loud sonnet]

Who are you?

i am talking to my man Duck

[brisk cove]

Just a dude from America?

[thorny steeple]

ok this enough it means creator care about us but some of them he doesnt give a f about it

[devout shale]

[thorny steeple]

yeah same with my understanding then

[brisk cove]

Honestly, you don't need religion or a god to find spirituality.

[loud sonnet]

Dude
we argued so much just to agree that we both have same understanding?
😂

[brisk cove]

If you're not spiritual and hate people, that just means you are a misanthrope lol

Honestly, religion is just a petty thing to argue about.

[loud sonnet]

its opposite.
if you are in search of God
You can never be spiritual.

[thorny steeple]

yes lmao i thought you said that god doesnt give a f 100% about hes creation

[thorny steeple]

yes you dont if you doesnt believe in god

[brisk cove]

Uhhh, that wouldn't apply to me because I feel more in touch with Buddhism. It's kind of complicated bc of my upbringing.

[loud sonnet]

NOOOOOOO.
He definetly give so much F about everyone.
but Not especially about us.
we are not the centre but yes we are there in the list.

[brisk cove]

I am bisexual and genderfluid so I don't think I would feel accepted in the Roman Catholic community esp by the elders.

[loud sonnet]

and Buddha denied the existence of God. 😂

[thorny steeple]

agreed

[thorny steeple]

yes buddhis is more like a way of live rather than a religion

[thorny steeple]

What

[brisk cove]

I don't recall Buddha denying the existence of God, citation needed.

[loud sonnet]

yeah.
he literally lived for 10000 years.

[brisk cove]

lmao

[loud sonnet]

do you want me to go into the scriptures and give you the exact line from his pali?

[thorny steeple]

You are accepted by meeee 🥰✨

but sid i still curious about what happen after you dead according to your teaching

[loud sonnet]

Your body become one with mother nature.

[devout shale]

catholicism is a joke

[devout shale]

you will too

[thorny steeple]

bad guy and good guy gonna be one with mother nature too?

[loud sonnet]

and when i say, he lived for 10 thousand years.
i didn't mean 10000 physical years.
i meant
his one day was actually euqal to one year.
He did one year of work in one day.

[loud sonnet]

they may have different grave but yes they will be in the graveyard, mixing with sand and becoming soil.

[brisk cove]

I will DM you when I can find it bc it's already late at night

if you want, you can add me so i can remember to give it to you

[thorny steeple]

no punishment for child molester?

[thorny steeple]

Of course

[loud sonnet]

Have a good night sleep my brother.

[loud sonnet]

Kill him.

[thorny steeple]

lets say no one killed him he live a happy live

[loud sonnet]

happy?
if he was happy he wouldn't have been a child molester.
if he was happy then he would have been a teacher.

[thorny steeple]

ye he like and enjoy to do child molester he genuinely enjoying it

[loud sonnet]

why we think?
He commited something because he is bad?
he became bad first then commited something bad.
there is big difference.

[pallid surge]

That's a nonsenical argument sid.

[devout shale]

@thorny steeple imagine eating pizza everyday for the rest of your life

[brisk cove]

uh what is this about child molesters? let the court do their due process

[pallid surge]

Wrong.

What makes someone a bad human being is the moment he violates someone's natural rights.

[thorny steeple]

actually the understanding of judgement is more suite for me despite its still unfair for me because i dont believe in freewill. but yeah it is what it is ill figure it out to understand freewill concept xd

[brisk cove]

Also, we cannot control other people or influence other people like that. That is very harmful.

It's wreckless to do things like that in chat.

[thorny steeple]

Why only pizza? Why not lasagna other day, then beans in the other? Then pasta? Then other kinds of food?

[pallid surge]

What are you talking about man

your statements never make sense with the topic

[loud sonnet]

Enjoying mean?
the rush of aderaline?
the dopamine?
the serotonin?
Preditor enjoy they prey crying.
that's in the nature of living beings.
Child molester is not something new ( it hold values to us because we think human are special beings)
when cat play with bird for fun then we call it natural?
when lion play with deer fawn so that his mother will save him and they can have bigger food then we call it natural?

[brisk cove]

i mean calling for a witch hunt against child molesters without due process

It sounds crazy.

[thorny steeple]

killing 1000 person like hitler do, even death sentence by court is not enough for it, thats what i mean there is judgement

[pallid surge]

I'll be honest there isn't anything objectivly wrong with killing child molesters; for they violate several natural rights.

However, If we allow people to witch hunt the issue is a lot of innocent people may lose their life in the process; hence why due process is required.

[brisk cove]

There isn't anything objectively wrong, but innocent people might get killed.

[pallid surge]

correct

[thorny steeple]

yes they enjoying that and no its not natural its evil thats why im asking enjoying that bad stuff eventough its not natural doesnt meant its a punishment in their live right?

[loud sonnet]

Well do we call someone bad if they eat chicken wings?
a chicken doesn't have right to live?
Nope we call it tasty.
we only cry when it's about human being.
Why we all think? human beings are very speical?

[pallid surge]

Because human beings have a natural right to life.

[loud sonnet]

so does every other living being?

[pallid surge]

No

[loud sonnet]

then you are ignorant.

[pallid surge]

It's natural law.

[loud sonnet]

then speak only when you compete with a tiger.

[pallid surge]

The world would not function if all beings had a right to life.

[loud sonnet]

world is not functioning anymore.
look at global warming.

[devout shale]

you could argue there are various level of consciosness and humans are at the top, not my view, just a consideration

[loud sonnet]

and climate change

[pallid surge]

The world functioning fine

the world goes through cycles; you are changing the argument.

Anyhow, do you think global warming is a threat?

[loud sonnet]

so the more consious the more we harm the nature?
God is the highest form of consicouness
he is harming the creation or taking care of it?

[thorny steeple]

why are we talking about global warming lmao

[loud sonnet]

Its a threat to the human being.

[pallid surge]

If so, for what reason? Higher temp? or icebergs melting and releasing more carbon that's trapped under?

[loud sonnet]

we have to know what punishment actually mean.

[devout shale]

no, i mean ants are not aware as we are, thats why we kill them with no remorse

[loud sonnet]

cuttin off the hand of thieve is justice to the robbery?

[pallid surge]

If the latter, we have plenty of time.

And much innovation is happening, I would not worry much.

[pallid surge]

awarness does not dictate right to life.

[loud sonnet]

check out the most populated and polluted cities of the world
you will know the suffering of people there

[pallid surge]

Why are they suffering sid?

and how are they suffering?

[devout shale]

i agree but thats the natural law

[loud sonnet]

Suffering with breathing and poor quality of life.
So many ashtma patient
and cancer becuase of bad food

[loud sonnet]

you gonna keep your eyes closed to the suffering of people just becuase you got comfortable life?

[pallid surge]

Do you not believe quality of life has increased drastically since the 19th century?

[loud sonnet]

That's not a good way to live the life

[loud sonnet]

only in the some part of the world

[pallid surge]

You do not know me; so if i were you i would not assume i have a comfortable life.

[pallid surge]

That's objectivly wrong.

[loud sonnet]

i am assuming you are from First world country.

[pallid surge]

In the 19th century; The world was literally on fire.

People lived under a cent a day; constant great wars; men didn't live long. Most children died.

[loud sonnet]

is it?
how please explain?
There is big difference between the life standard
or north america and south america itself.

[pallid surge]

It was horrible.

[loud sonnet]

the global north and global south.

[pallid surge]

No

[thorny steeple]

nope

i would say be responsible for bad thing you do in the world that what is punishment

[pallid surge]

The world has improved much further; people's lives all over the world is drastically better than that of the 19th century.

There is an argument to be made that people are less happy; but the argument quality of life has reduced when the reality is that it's drastically increased

[loud sonnet]

so we gonna comare the cent of 19th century to the dollar of 21st century

with the living standard of life we have increasing bills as well.
sure everyone has food and clothe on their plate and body.
But does that end suffering of human beings?
and that too is not availble to every country.

[loud sonnet]

be responsible?
how?

[loud sonnet]

yeah i agree with that.
surly economics has performed much better in 21st century.
but whats your point?

[white shard]

Compared to the 19th century, the standard of living has risen a lot. However, compared to a few decades before (before today, i.e 1980s or 1990s) , people are worse off today

[pallid surge]

It's accounted for inflation. Also, i meant to dollar; wrong word, mb.

The biggest struggle for people in the 19th century was having warm clothes; a roof over their head and most importantly food; See how you brush it off as nothing? You take it for granted; cause it's the bare minimum today. Whereas back then it was a privilege.

[pallid surge]

I agree

[pallid surge]

My point is quality of life has improved; It's nonsenical to claim otherwise.

There is an argument for human happiness being lower; That's a fair and reasonable argument that is in line with reality.

[loud sonnet]

I brushed if off?
we were talking about the bad and good guy?
you dragged me into economics
how i am gonna make good point while we were talking about spirituality.

[pallid surge]

but to sit here and pretend your great grandparents had it better of than you; is frankly being ignorant by choice.

[loud sonnet]

i never said it?
stop putting words in my mouth?

[pallid surge]

You literally brought up the point of quality of life, no?

[loud sonnet]

No?

[pallid surge]

??

[loud sonnet]

maybe metaphorically?
but not literally.

[white shard]

well, my grand grandfather owned a factory, so

[pallid surge]

Okay then; what is your point.

[loud sonnet]

yes it very much visible
21st century is much better to live in compared to the any other century.
when did i disagree with this statement?

[thorny steeple]

why not? cause and effect, you do something you have to be responsible for the crime that you do, for example hitler that killed 6 million people even death sentence is not enough to pay his crime, thats why after live judgement is needed to make the world fair and balance

[pallid surge]

I today live a better life than that of a king in 50 bc

[loud sonnet]

we were talking about spirituality and karma and justice.

[pallid surge]

okay go on;

[thorny steeple]

afking lads ill check all your msg after

[loud sonnet]

Man so much warm up just to tell me go on with your topic 😂 What the duck

[wide sinew]

hi

[loud sonnet]

Hilter example
very well.
i have to write way too much for this one.

[pallid surge]

I made my disgarements with your argument for morality a while ago; I do not want to spam this chat with my arguments; I'll hear your and respond

[loud sonnet]

and you disagreed on something which was metaphorical.

[pallid surge]

No, I disagreed on various things. One was natural rights regarding to human beings; other being what makes a human "bad" or what makes a wrong wrong.

[loud sonnet]

Yeah you disagreed on the thing that chicken don't have right to live.

and i don;t know how it turned into economics.

[pallid surge]

Your argument was always people's happiness could be used a metric to decide if they were "bad".

[pallid surge]

You talked about human suffering; and how the world is doing worse now.

[loud sonnet]

it was actually duck agrument

[pallid surge]

Hence, why i had to mention that we are better of now than ever before in history

[loud sonnet]

so the world mean economics?

that's a material view of seeing things.

be more compassionate towards the world

[pallid surge]

Qualtiy of life is directly linked with economy; So, yes.

[pallid surge]

A realistic way of viewing things; No? The great depression indirectly led to the rise of the nazi party; which led to WW2

I can't imagine any other event in human history that caused more suffering than WW2.

[thorny steeple]

yeah and i believe god, creator doesnt like hitler doing destruction. and just letting him being soil after doing such a crime, i think its a luxurious traits yet still its unfair

[pallid surge]

And, it was a direct consequence of the economic burdens placed on Germany.

[loud sonnet]

your view is only about human being.
You are ignorant about other living beings.
when you can't even consider the suffering of other living being then only your suffering will be the most special and big.

[pallid surge]

I care about other beings; and am compassionate towards them.

Only difference is; I do believe any other beings have a natural right to life.

[loud sonnet]

how you care about them?

[pallid surge]

If they did, the world would not function; It would be contradictory

It's simply logically not sound to claim all beings have a natural right to life.

[thorny steeple]

what is the topic right now xd

[loud sonnet]

or maybe too egoistic to even consider the life of other being.

[pallid surge]

Sid, it's not about ego.

[loud sonnet]

i don't see anything else here?

[pallid surge]

Like logically; think about it. The world would not function as intented if all living beings had a right to life

[loud sonnet]

it will function more effcielty

[pallid surge]

How will beings live?

[thorny steeple]

wdym by had a right to life condha

[pallid surge]

Where do they get the food required; to live?

[thorny steeple]

everyone have right to live and everyone had right to kill

[loud sonnet]

From the farming.

[pallid surge]

No, Human beings have a right to life

[thorny steeple]

thats why i dont trust freewill the cow that live doesnt choose to be a cow nor me choosed to be a human. i mean who want to be a smelly pig xd

[pallid surge]

Do you realize how many insects you have to kill for farming to work? You have to kill a ton of animals for farming to actually function; moreover, are plants not living beings to you?

[loud sonnet]

Condha do you know, a chicken has to eat 10 KG of grains to gain 1 KG of mass?
so that you can eat that one kg of Mass?
You would be competely fine and healthy if you eat 1 kg of grain.
but you choose to eat 1 KG of mass.
So you choose to destroy total 10KG of grain.

[pallid surge]

I'm not going to get into a protein argument with you; but one thing to note is we absorb animal protein more than we absorb plant protein. Anyway, i don't know enough about protein and whatnot to debate.

[loud sonnet]

If we have to survive, then we have to kill.
Killing plants and insects is also sin.
But killing Chicken and cow is much bigger sin.
ofcourse we all have freewill
either kill cow, or plant or in human being no one will stop you.
but be considerate of other life as well.

[pallid surge]

Wait.

So, you are not saying some beings are of lesser value?

[loud sonnet]

That's would be out of focus then, let's not get into protein and nutrients.

[pallid surge]

Some, you are allowed to kill? or more allowed to?

None of thise makes sense, man

[loud sonnet]

less in consciousness*

[pallid surge]

consciousness does not dictate right to life.

[loud sonnet]

it does.

[pallid surge]

So, you think a human newborn baby has less of a right to life than that of a matured horse?

[loud sonnet]

i never said it?

[pallid surge]

I'm asking you

[loud sonnet]

let me cross question.
Which one has more consciousness?

[pallid surge]

The matured horse

[loud sonnet]

no

[pallid surge]

It actually does.

Many animals have a higher IQ than that of a newborn baby

[loud sonnet]

IQ define the consciousness?

[pallid surge]

and are much more aware, as well

[pallid surge]

indirectly, yes.

[loud sonnet]

no.

[pallid surge]

What other metric would you use?

define it then

Is it rembering patterns?

Being able to solve patterns?
Regnozing voices?
Being able to perform task?

what makes us more aware? or higher in consciousness

[loud sonnet]

Well, consciousness is completely free of the mertic unit.
consciousness is possibilty of becoming the absolute.
does horse has it?
or does the human being new borh has it?

[pallid surge]

You keep asking answering a question; with a question.

[loud sonnet]

that's how i will take you to the core.
You are still on the surfave of water.
and i want to take you to the deapth of ocean.

[pallid surge]

I've alrd laid you reasonable definitions and or questions for consciousness; pick one and we can branch of from there.

[pallid surge]

Okay, then define consciousness.

[loud sonnet]

so you are giving me multiplte choice answer to your question.
then how it's my answer it's still yours?
then we will always be in loop hole

[pallid surge]

go ahead; give your own answer

[loud sonnet]

consciousness is the possiblity of becoming the Jesus, buddha, Prophet Muhmad and Krishna.
can horse become Jesus?

[pallid surge]

dude what

[loud sonnet]

that's what it is about?

did horse come up with the idea of creator ?
or human being?

mature horse maybe aware or has higher IQ
but did any of those horse become jesus?

[pallid surge]

does a new born baby?

[loud sonnet]

it has possiblity of becoming one.

even if its 1%

[white shard]

first humans believed in spirits, not in the heavenly father

[loud sonnet]

or 0.00001%