🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

I think here it should be (a) in place of the

[dawn karma]

only kiss from a true love can change everything

[ornate siren]

There will be no article.

[thorny steeple]

But it's like indicating to a magic and without article it doesn't sounds good

[ornate siren]

*sound

[lavish finch]

Only a quick scan

[ornate siren]

*indicating a magic, or indicating magic

[dawn karma]

please kiss me and we can live happily ever after, i'll give you everything

Theb, do you know how the beggar replied, frog?

[thorny steeple]

Okay!!! But why no article should be used there ?

[ornate siren]

What are your thoughts on the Philosopher's Lamp?

[prisma cipher]

What

[ornate siren]

*should no article

[dawn karma]

he said to her, "I prefer speaking frog than a princess!"

[lavish finch]

One conversation

I prefer to have one conversation

[prisma cipher]

Is it the end of the story?

[thorny steeple]

What's one conversation??

[dawn karma]

yup

[prisma cipher]

Nice

[thorny steeple]

Why don't u write full story in one msg only

[lavish finch]

Well, I imagine a conversation like a boat

[dawn karma]

what do you think about his thought?

[lavish finch]

with multiple people rowing

in coordination

[prisma cipher]

He is pervert no other explanation@dawn karma

[thorny steeple]

interesting

Would you like to give a piece of advice for how I can improve my english and essay skills

[ornate siren]

Chiefly because "magic" is an uncountable noun.

[dawn karma]

I think he is just a beggar due to shortage of thinking

[lyric geode]

Love your profile picture

[dawn karma]

he don't know how to choose big rather than small

[thorny steeple]

Okay I got it

[ornate siren]

*doesn't

[dawn karma]

just decide emotionally

[prisma cipher]

He perv for sure. The frog said straight away she can be beautiful princess. But he choose frog

[dawn karma]

thanks

[ornate siren]

Who, me?

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch Would you like to give a piece of advice for how I can improve my english and essay skills

[thorny steeple]

Ya u can also if u have any advice

[lavish finch]

Sure. Let people know what you heard them say.

[dawn karma]

You have a point

[ornate siren]

I dissected a frog today

I held its innards

[thorny steeple]

Can u explain ?

[lyric geode]

Hello can you help me with analogies

[ornate siren]

An analogy regarding...?

[lyric geode]

Like general ISEE analogies

or SSAT ones

[lavish finch]

Perhaps another time. It's difficult to pull myself away from this very engaging conversation. But I have another appointment. Have a wonderful day everyone. Bye.

[dawn karma]

start again?

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[ornate siren]

Farewell, Mr. Green

[dawn karma]

it's your turn!

[prisma cipher]

Than no

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch bye

[ornate siren]

Do you know what an analogy is?

[thorny steeple]

@ornate siren do u have any advice?

[ornate siren]

In DMs

[lyric geode]

Like I). Sullen is to smile as
a). Gleeful is to joy
b). Reluctant is to willingness
c). Respectful is to courtesy
d). Evasive is to fear
e). Composure is to conscience

I’m not sure how to like

[thorny steeple]

Sure

[lyric geode]

Yeah I do but I’m not proficient with it

[ornate siren]

Sullen is the opposite of smiling and/or joyous

[ornate siren]

Define "analogy" for me.

[lyric geode]

Like how you compare or abridge something to something?

[ornate siren]

Kind of

[dawn karma]

frog, just a minute

[lyric geode]

It’s like juxtaposing something to another

Right?

[ornate siren]

Analogies are used to simplify explanations.

[lyric geode]

I see

But then how do I find the connection between one word to another even if it’s entirely unrelated

[ornate siren]

Read the dictionary regularly.

Read the thesaurus regularly.

Find out the synonyms of a word.

[lyric geode]

Oh and what’s an oxymoron lol

I forgot

[ornate siren]

There are 3 confusing ideas: an oxymoron, an antithesis, and a paradox.

[lyric geode]

What are the differences?

[thorny steeple]

hello

the chat sure seems serious

[ornate siren]

An oxymoron is a figure of speech that involves 2 words of opposite meaning, and makes the sentence incongrous.

An antithesis involves 2 opposite ideas, but it doesn't destroy the congruity of the sentence.

A paradox involves 2 opposite ideas, and it also makes the sentence incongruous.

[lyric geode]

So then what’s the difference between a paradox and an oxymoron?

[prisma cipher]

@dawn karma

[ornate siren]

Paradoxes involve ideas, oxymorons involve words.

"He is conspicuous by his absence."

[dawn karma]

i am here, frog!

hey, frog!

[prisma cipher]

Sup

[dawn karma]

want another one?

[prisma cipher]

You don't look like a Canadian

Yes

[dawn karma]

you are right, but you seems like real frog

[thorny steeple]

The antithesis is the thesis about refuting the thesis on the other side. The oxymoron is the harmony created by combining two dissonances. paradox is a philosophical term and its meaning is very different from the others.

[ornate siren]

I meant paradox in the tropal sense. And you need to know about the thesis to understand the contrast it makes with the antithesis.

[thorny steeple]

The antithesis and the oxymoron have an ending, while the paradox has no ending.

[dawn karma]

just a minute frog

[ornate siren]

That is true.

[thorny steeple]

[fossil basin]

Its beautiful like heaven

[ornate siren]

Yes I know that you love us all

[fossil basin]

Yep I love you :3

[ornate siren]

You look like you're interested in tropal analysis and figures of speech?

[shadow parrot]

you have the roccat logo??

hello everyone

[thorny steeple]

i just love language terminology and philosphy. just this but i'm not a very knowledgeable person

[ornate siren]

I do, why?

[ornate siren]

Alright

[shadow parrot]

i just wanted to know because i have a Roccat setup gaming

[ornate siren]

Excellent, game on 🙂

[shadow parrot]

i have one vucan aimo and kone aimo

[dawn karma]

i am here, frog

[ornate siren]

Do you love frogs so much?

[dawn karma]

no, just frog1

[ornate siren]

You love frog1 so much?

[dawn karma]

i am not a gay

just like him

[ornate siren]

Exactly.

[dawn karma]

who want to listen my another humor?

[ornate siren]

You're probably French?

[dawn karma]

why is that?

[thorny steeple]

why are you think like that

[ornate siren]

I mean, you probably speak French?

French is the main language of Canada.

[thorny steeple]

idk, is he canadian? his writing stile* look like european

[dawn karma]

je peux parler un peu français

[shadow parrot]

personally i speak french

[ornate siren]

What's your mothertongue?

[ornate siren]

How come your English has degraded so quickly?

[thorny steeple]

my english is not good also

and im in pc rn

[dawn karma]

I am a martian

[ornate siren]

It was spot-on when you were describing paradoxes.

[thorny steeple]

don't have autocorrect

[ornate siren]

Ridley Scott your friend?

[dawn karma]

how do you know him?

[ornate siren]

One of my favourite directors.

[thorny steeple]

sometimes i correct my sentences in translate for understandble. especially for serious topics.

[ornate siren]

I see.

[thorny steeple]

so, you can see, i have a beginner role

[ornate siren]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

btw nocturnal where are you from?

[ornate siren]

India

[thorny steeple]

ah beautiful culture. From turkiye, nice to meet you

[ornate siren]

It's my pleasure.

[ornate siren]

Though the culture has degraded to trash now. India is a decadent state of fools.

[shadow parrot]

why he has degraded

[dawn karma]

How can u say like that, Nocturnal, it's your country!

[thorny steeple]

hey

[ornate siren]

I don't say that the country is trash. The countrymen are.

[ornate siren]

Don't know, because of the fools.

[shut iris]

Only in Quebec, the rest use English

[thorny steeple]

that is insulting to the people

[shut iris]

I’m from Ontario

[ornate siren]

I meant Canada as a whole.

[thorny steeple]

i would like you to state a strong reason for calling us that

[shut iris]

I also meant Canada as a whole

I’m Canadian

[ornate siren]

Good

[thorny steeple]

Ah, this is understandble situation, india have so much population more than they candle. and another things too

[shut iris]

Even though the official languages are English and French, French is basically dead outside of Quebec

[ornate siren]

No, not that. It's the land of corruption and immoral politics.

[thorny steeple]

same here actually. many countries have this problems.

[thorny steeple]

politics is too wound up with the religion, so if anyone who is a fool in india, it is the politicians

[ornate siren]

Yes. The politicians drive the nation. They have twisted the mindsets of the people to suit themselves, and destroyed the education system and economy. The dumb blokes are sending satellites into space and forgetting that 1 Euro still equals at least 92 rupees (and increasing).

[dawn karma]

I dont care about politics much, I like business

hey, frog1

where are you,

[lethal sparrow]

politics and business are a revolving door full of golden handshakes and golden parachutes

[dawn karma]

u r right, but just complaining doesn't make any difference

[lethal sparrow]

that's why i agitate for a social revolution to destroy capitalism :)

see? it's easy

[dawn karma]

headache!

hey, frog1!

[loud sonnet]

man i typed such an awesome answer and reply but these damn bot said i am spaming.

[true bluff]

Hi all

[thorny steeple]

hi tsend

[loud sonnet]

who want to talk about the creator of universe(dont pariticipate if your idea of creator is god from your holy scriptures) lets discuss beyond what we have been told.

[thorny steeple]

I'm an agnostic. So, we don't know, we can't know

[loud sonnet]

agnostic is such a beautiful word to be honest.
it define and say something which is beyond our reach.
but we can still talk about the idea itself.
why we even think about creator?

[sonic lion]

Why do you think so?

There’s so many answers

On a individual level, I think we just need to believe in something

Because we can’t conceive the universe as something absurd

[loud sonnet]

hmmmmmmmm.
why believe in something.
why not first question it and then only believe in it?
and universe is actually super conscious not some random big bang.
and if universe can be super conscious, why cant we?
and if we are not super conscious then why not?
whats stopping us?

is it because we actually believe in something/anything and lose the chance of knowing secrets of becoming super conscious.
or someone actually stopping us from being super conscious (govt? Businessman? or our animal nature?)

[sonic lion]

So many questions damn

[loud sonnet]

i am sorry.
i just got curious mind.

[sonic lion]

Okay, let’s organize this thought is mine

There’s a huge difference between contemporary beliefs and modern/ancient ones

But let’s focus on contemporary

I don’t believe in atheism

Atheism in the sense of ‘I don’t believe in anything’

Not in the sense that denial religion

I think everyone venerates something, either themselves for beauty or intelligence, such as for materiel or a religion

[loud sonnet]

thanks, i was about to ask "define atheism"😂 but you answered before question.

[sonic lion]

Yeah hahah

Anyway

The question is

What in religion is specifically there to believe and be so crucial to mankind?

I think we need to make a class cut talk here

Feurbach believe that religion was the reflection of the man itself

He proposes that once our world is not perfect, we have to imagine one

Where relies justice, equality etc

I think poor people, who are exploited, need to believe that this is not the end

And I’m talking about Christianity or any religion that proposes a after life

And also, there’s a sense of purpose, as Nietzsche says in the antichrist that by the religious live by denying life itself

We need to see meaning in pain, he says

So we can suffer as long as it’s meaningful

[loud sonnet]

do you study philiosphy?

[sonic lion]

Just for fun and I am not very good at it haha

[loud sonnet]

hmmmmm.
please continue.

i would love to read more from you.

[sonic lion]

I want to hear you too

I mean, do you agree with me? What else do you think?

Also, for most people religion offer a sense of community and support

[loud sonnet]

"we can only suffer as long as it has some meaning."
well, we humans can give false hopes and false meaning to our sufferings, so that we can justify our sufferings.
but again question rise why we need to justify our sufferings?
becasue we are the only being on this planet with the power to choose.
and if we choose something which can cause suffering then we ourselves will be responsible for that suffering.
and to stop hurting our ego(which think that i always make right deicion).
Maybe thats why we find meanings in our sufferings.

also my thoughts and explanations will be based on advait teachings (its a philosphy school of Indian spirituality.)

[sonic lion]

That’s a wonderful question, but for me it’s a mystery. There’s this book called ‘Man search’s for meaning) by this jewish man who was in a concentration camp. He says that the people who gave their bread (which was practically their only meal) lived longer than the ones who didn’t, precisely because they found on it a sense of meaning. Isn’t it interesting?

Also, people with a certain mental condition tende to base their personality on it, so they see themselves as the condition. So it’s incredibly hard for them to heal

Their condition is a part of them

[loud sonnet]

i wonder how many people will still follow those religion ehich talk about life after death.
If such concept wouldn't have existed in the first place.

[sonic lion]

As Dostoevsky said, “sometimes, man is extraordinary, passionately, in love with their meaning”

[sonic lion]

I think it started when classes wore defined for the rest of the life of people

Imagine you’ve been born a slave

And there’s no way of changing it

[loud sonnet]

when people sacrifice themselves for other, or sacrifice their survival for other then only those have right to live(thats what i think)
and only those live the life of joy.
and joy brind extra years in your life.
interesting.

[sonic lion]

So the dominant class at the time would say “No worry, don’t rebel, in the next life, you’ll be rich and never work again” or some bullshit like that

It’s a instrument of control

[sonic lion]

I find that fascinating, meaning is our fuel

[loud sonnet]

die fighting for freedom.
so many countries have been slaved.
and they fought for freedom rather than beliving in after life.
imagine being slave and being treated like shit and still thinking about afterlife good food.
i think the concept of afterlife came only when people had comfortable life.
those who suffered never dreamed about luxury.
i mean there are exception(who are weak)
but those who fought for their freedom, cant speak for afterlife, can they?

[loud sonnet]

ah i didnt read this one.
damn we got similar points

haha

[sonic lion]

You’re right, I was going to add that. They want us to believe that people never rebelled, which is completely false since our history is based on class confrontation. But I only said that it was an instrument of control by the dominant class

[loud sonnet]

can these meaning be meaningless after certain realization?
is there some point in wisdom where every meaning become meaningless and you either become infinte inside you, or zero inside you.
and maybe then only the ultimate joy of universe flow through you.
hmmmmmmmmmmmm thats such a nice way to put the nirvana state(liberation).

[sonic lion]

That’s why christianity was so important to understand the transition between the ancient and the medieval. Since then, religion was always aristocratic, it was always for the rich and mainly for the imperator. Then, a poor guy who’s father was a carpenter says that he is the god’s son

But soon they appropriate it and made it an instrument of control again

[loud sonnet]

but 70% of the population on earth still believe the same old bed time stories of after life.
what are your thoughts on that?

[sonic lion]

But the believe in nothing is still a believe. I think if we all were just skeptical and more curious with nature, we would be so much better. And of course, kindness is an important value to have as a society

[sonic lion]

I simply don’t. Honestly, imagine being stuck in hell with all those crazy religious people lmao

Heaven*

Hell would be interesting tho

[loud sonnet]

i didnt said nothing, i said meaningless.
meaing is fuel to our journey.(thats your point right)
but what about the fuel without meanings?

[sonic lion]

I don’t know how people can hear that heaven and hell existis and believe in it. I mean, you think kids are naïve for believing in santa? You believe in a heaven

[sonic lion]

Do you know Albert Camus? That’s his theory basically, the absurd. When you don’t need a meaning to live. I think I live by that, by only experiencing

[loud sonnet]

well you already said it.
hanging out with wrong group is hell.
and hanging out with right group is heaven.
in our case it would be heaven if we hang out with human who read philiosphy.
and it would be hell if we hang out with radical belivers.(No hate to anyone)

[loud sonnet]

no i am not actually good with names.
i just remember what people said, never their name.

[sonic lion]

I think I have an unpopular opinion, but I just can’t handle groups. I prefer individuals

I think people are not really themselves in groups

[loud sonnet]

individuals(small group)😂

[sonic lion]

Not really tho

Idk haha

[loud sonnet]

hanging out with yourself.
hmmmm i can sense an introvert.

[sonic lion]

I just think people are more interesting on their own

[sonic lion]

I have to say that I really enjoy my own company

There’s so many things to do

[loud sonnet]

well thats actually my question.
why need to behave differently while being in group?
why we have to act according to situation, class, time and people.
why not be myself, and i will be like this infront of beggar and even in front of billionare.
who give a damn about other people.

[sonic lion]

Also, people became very stupid in friend groups. Which means that they’re stupid since you can’t join a group you don’t identify with

I remember listening to what boys would talk in class

And I would be disgusted

[sonic lion]

You’re so rare and that’s the people I would like to be friends with

[loud sonnet]

i find this thing common in people who love philiosphy, they want to learn so many things and want to explore so many new things.
their soul nourish it like that😂
and they only care about their soul and not anything else.
aahh i love such humans

[sonic lion]

People would shape their whole personality to fit a group, just cause they fear judgment or don’t like their own company

Which is embarrassing tbh I would never

[loud sonnet]

why are people scared or being judged, when you can influcence them with your unshakeable personality.
being comfortable in my own skin is next level charm😂

[sonic lion]

As Nietzsche said ‘I hate who steals my solitude without, in exchange, offering me a good company.” If you’re not intellectually stimulating is a huge turn off for me, you gotta be a thinker

[sonic lion]

Right? They feel so intimidated. Being different - even if you’re judged - is good. I mean, most people are just boring anyway, don’t expect them to understand you

Oh god

[loud sonnet]

if someone is intellectually then he/she will be intellectual in everyway possible.
music
dance.
mathematics.
economics.
politics.
psychology.

[sonic lion]

The best thing for your brain is to read about everything, every area of study you find interesting

And that’s what I do

[loud sonnet]

i mean why would you even care about someone opinion about yourself?
its like seeking validation.
only insecure will do such things.
not someone who is beyond the hunger of validation and approvals.

[loud sonnet]

well well well.
then discussion can go forever with you😂
what else is your favourite topic?

[sonic lion]

Right? Most people don’t analyses neither improve themselves. I used to be told that I was very arrogant just because I was unsmiling and quiet. I forced myself to be nice for a long time just to please people. Results: people not only don’t respect you, they’ll treat you like shit in the first opportunity

[loud sonnet]

i can relate.

[sonic lion]

So I simply decided to embrace who I really am. I mean, if you’re bothered by quietness or hard behavior you’re just weak

[loud sonnet]

there is this beautiful quote from
Rumi:
i wanted to change the world when i was clever, now that i am wise i am changing myself.
(you change yourself because now you want to grow, you want to be a better person in every aspect of life and not someone who give damn about the people.)

[sonic lion]

I really like art (cinema, literature, music, painting, photography). Also just humanities in general, specially sociology, history and psychology. And in STEM, I love astronomy, mathematics and some physics

And not very good at any of these but I just do it for fun

I plan to master math and history

The rest is just for pleasure

[loud sonnet]

thats the beauty of life.
jack of all trade master of none.
have taste of every dimension, why just explore one for thoudand hours when you can explore thousands for one hour.

[sonic lion]

That’s true meaning. I know some people see a lot of problem with individualism, but if all your aspirations come from inside of you and only for you, you got it

[sonic lion]

Seeing life this way was the best philosophy I ever could have

[loud sonnet]

meet someone for the first time, who take pride in exploring the life and taking pleasure in it

[sonic lion]

Same with u

I don’t even use social media anymore (except this now). Books are just so much more interesting

[loud sonnet]

every human being live by some kind of philiosphy, consciously or subcosnciouly.
i am glad you knows yours.
mostly people die without knowing on what philiopshy the lived upon.

[sonic lion]

That’s true

[loud sonnet]

well.
i love ebooks(i am just enviroment conscious)

but reading a hardcopy is so much better

[sonic lion]

I understand you. I like to collect so I thrift most of mine

[sonic lion]

Omg yes

[loud sonnet]

man i can relate with you.
i would love to see your collection.

[sonic lion]

It’s all in portuguese

I can send to you

Even tho I hate my shelf

[loud sonnet]

please send with translation.

[sonic lion]

It would take me a lifetime

For learning I have a few

I have most fiction

[loud sonnet]

life is so unpredictable, i was expecting @thorny steeple to answer my question, but @sonic lion made my neurons happy😂
ah its so refershing when you talk to someone who can simulate your brain's curious neurons

[loud sonnet]

atleast you can say "it was all worth it" on your death bed.

and that is all that matter.

[sonic lion]

I couldn’t resist talking about philosophy haha it’s so difficult to find someone like you

Most people are either idealistic or just don’t like to talk about ideas

[loud sonnet]

there are endless possiblities, then why only stick to one throughout your entire life?

[thorny steeple]

Nevermore I'll find someone like yoooooou 🎵

[loud sonnet]

we missed you presence O'dear Angelline

[thorny steeple]

Me?

You guys are on fireee 🔥✨🥰

[loud sonnet]

you forgot to pray to our lord pepe.

[thorny steeple]

[loud sonnet]

be a good girl and pray right away.

[thorny steeple]

I'll sing for our pepeople

[loud sonnet]

invite us all

[devout shale]

[thorny steeple]

sorry, i was busy

[thorny steeple]

What?

[dusky island]

2+2=????

[thorny steeple]

22! 🥰🤣

[devout shale]

Do you really want to sing

[dusky island]

no but you are a GENIUS

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[thorny steeple]

Sarcasm 😭

[devout shale]

Cmon that's basic math

[dusky island]

Noo,i was serious!

[dusky island]

√9=???

[thorny steeple]

Of course, I'll do a memorable event for the pepeople

[thorny steeple]

Faith is a need. Human is a conscious animal. Being conscious is a painful process. If they thinks there is no God, being in this world will seem meaningless to them.There must be some meaning to human, because that's how the human brain works.

[thorny steeple]

Three plants! 🌱

[dusky island]

YEAAHHH PUAAHAHHAHA

[devout shale]

[thorny steeple]

Ok let me stop mess the serious chat LOL

[dusky island]

No

Sooo

3×3=???

[loud sonnet]

why settle for faith when you can have truth, why settle for meanings when you can have purpose?

[thorny steeple]

Faith is necessary when you don't have anything else to move forward. If you know where you're going, you already know it, you don't necessarily need faith.

[thorny steeple]

Is there such a thing as truth? that's the real question actually.

[loud sonnet]

what if i tell you, there is such thing as truth.

[devout shale]

How much is the ticket

[loud sonnet]

how to evaluvate the direction and faith connection?

when it will known that we dont need faith we already on right path?

[thorny steeple]

Depends on the pathway you're walking in your life, your own life purposes and missions. It's personal.

[thorny steeple]

That's the point, you will know it when you're walking it.

[loud sonnet]

how can it be personal when we human suffer together?

[devout shale]

Faith excludes truth by definition

[thorny steeple]

Not always.

At least, I don't believe in this.

[thorny steeple]

there is no such thing as truth. Everyone has their own truth.

[thorny steeple]

This is a generalization.

At the same time we are together, we are separate being, with our own lifes and perspectives.

[devout shale]

I'm not in the mood for serious chat tonight

[loud sonnet]

everyone has something in common and this is suffering, pain, depression, hard time.
then how come truth is different for everyone.

[loud sonnet]

hmmmmmmmm.
so life is what we live on individual level?
and not on social level?
or the combination of both?

[loud sonnet]

also what if i am walking on the wrong one and never realise it?

[thorny steeple]

Both, it happens at the same time.

[thorny steeple]

In my perspective, there's no right and wrong, what its important is what you choose for yourself. (Wrong one would be something that can hurt you or hurt others, for obvious reasons).

And it's also related to your outcomes.

[loud sonnet]

so we are together and alone at the same time.
so by that statement, we suffer when we are together and we also suffer when we are alone.

[thorny steeple]

I remember Elon Musk saying something that made me reflect deeply in his words:

He said something like "don't spend too much energy on something that's not producing any outcome for yourself. If you're putting too much effort in something and it's not working, it's probably not the right way". Well, not with this words, but this was the idea.

[thorny steeple]

It's not a rule, lol!

[lavish finch]

(following)

[devout shale]

So what if something makes you happy but doesn't have outcomes

[thorny steeple]

The outcome is happiness.

[devout shale]

Right

[thorny steeple]

You can do things only for enjoyment.

[loud sonnet]

he's business man and his ideas will be bias towards the performance and outcomes.
and my question is why we even need such thing in the first place?
why we need outcome to be happy, why cant we simply exists and be happy because we exists?

[thorny steeple]

well, since we're getting into this topic, then this is going to take a while. What we call reality and truth are very different things, we need to understand this first. Is it possible for us to reach reality? we don't know. Truth, on the other hand, is the interpretation of your brain, your culture, your environment and everything you are affected by. If painful is a * reality, the way you suffer is truth. This means your own truth.

[lavish finch]

Hello krmx, Angelline, Sid, Leilif

[thorny steeple]

hi sir.

Hello sir!!

[devout shale]

Hey there

[thorny steeple]

Well, you don't need the outcome to be happy, as I said, you're the one choosing. I just don't get why suffer if you can choose something that can be useful for your life and others + be happy too. This is a personal choice.

[loud sonnet]

its honor for us that you are following our conversation Sir.
Accept my good wishes for you.

[thorny steeple]

(Talking specifically about life purpose and mission).

[lavish finch]

Life purpose, I see

And whether suffering is a choice

[loud sonnet]

thats the right choice*

[thorny steeple]

Note: you can be happy because you simply exist. Such ideias is just not given too much credit for. And now we enter the realm of gratitude.

[lavish finch]

Thank you. It's my pleasure to be here.

[loud sonnet]

hmmmm, well i always say(the indian philiopshy said it first) that everything is illusion.

[thorny steeple]

Are you happy because you have internet to speak with us?
Are you happy that you have food in your table?
Are you happy because you're here alive and breathing to be able to even question your own existence?

[thorny steeple]

Happiness is not always a personal choice. we cannot say that. if ywe say this ,we need to ignore science

[loud sonnet]

your existence itself is illusion.
you cant even prove your existence.
but the idea about truth is actually worth exploring.

[lavish finch]

What is real and what is illusion, and is there anything that is real or is everything just illusion.

[thorny steeple]

In the context I was applying this, it is! I'm referring as his previous question about purpose in life.

At least this is what I believe.

[loud sonnet]

i am greatful for all these things, and about being happy, well happiness hold different meaning for me.

[thorny steeple]

we cant know maybe, maybe not

[loud sonnet]

i go with the later statement: everything is just illusion.

[lavish finch]

Do you have any reason for believing that everything is an illusion?

[thorny steeple]

It's different for everyone, I mentioned that because you told about "just be happy because we exist".

Why do you think everything is just an illusion?

[loud sonnet]

That's the irony, how can someone prove illusions?
because they don't exists in the first place.
it's like saying prove your magic trick?
but how can you prove magic trick when it's mere illusion of eye and perfection of practice

[devout shale]

Actually the only thing you can prove is your very existence

[thorny steeple]

You seem like needing proof of everything. 🤣

[devout shale]

As Descartes said

[thorny steeple]

Life is going to be hard since the only certainty we have is about our physical deaths.

[lavish finch]

Anything that can be said without reasons can be ignored without reasons too.

[loud sonnet]

And why would i not believe that?
i mean i can't prove you exists( not you in particluar but anyone)
because it's only me who is confirming everything with my own 5 senses.

[thorny steeple]

[loud sonnet]

yessssssss, that's the point. I can only be sure about myself.
i can't be sure of angelline maybe it's the character i developed in my mind.

[thorny steeple]

For me (Angelline) our physical reality can be interpreted as an illusion, but I think it's different than the way you're proposing here.

[thorny steeple]

Hey, who allowed you to use my image for your own mental movies? I'd copyright claim that!

(everyone has a version created by themselves in their minds, it's based in their own beliefs of world)

[devout shale]

You created a quite funny character then 😄

[thorny steeple]

I guess it's quite inevitable.

[loud sonnet]

there is always reasons behind everything we( normal and healthy human) say

[thorny steeple]

Imagine here on Discord where I don't even know who you guys are physically speaking. I know you all through the personality you project onto the internet only. Another image construction.

[devout shale]

Anyway I could say same thing about you

[thorny steeple]

All this construction is an object and as an object is open to personal interpretations

[thorny steeple]

Hahaha! James and I we're brave to show our faces here! 😹

I guess Leilif is using her real picture as well.

But most of people don't.

[devout shale]

I am too

[thorny steeple]

It's a beautiful belief, but happiness is not something that can last forever. And in fact, most of the emotions we feel are purely hormonal reasons. But I understand what you're trying to say. If we consider it through love, while love is a completely hormonal situation, commitment, loyalty, being able to continue love is a process that includes thoughts as well as hormones. What I mean is that people whose brains are not working properly or who have suffered serious damage due to reasons beyond their control, or people who cannot be happy with other events for other reasons, are generally not their own choice to be unhappy.

[thorny steeple]

yep

[devout shale]

Cogito ergo sum

[loud sonnet]

there are plently of examples where love has much higher meaning than just being hormonal or chemical reaction.

[loud sonnet]

I am not denying the exitence of you guys.
it was a metaphorical way of explaning other approach.

[thorny steeple]

I got it, it's different than I was saying and I agree with you, yes. These things, for me, it's beyond my comprehension.

[devout shale]

Got it

Another way of saying it would be we are one thing

[thorny steeple]

Where is @lavish finch

[dusky island]

my favorite cartoon character!!!!! @loud sonnet

[lavish finch]

What

I'm right here

[loud sonnet]

thanks man i will take it as compliment.

[thorny steeple]

You just dropped your selfie and left.

🤣

[thorny steeple]

I'm not sure you understood what I wrote. Scientifically, love is a purely chemical and hormonal reaction. What you are talking about is love that is transformed and sustained.

[dusky island]

https://tenor.com/view/sid-sakin-ol-relax-gif-22785100

[lavish finch]

You mean I stopped writing. I didn't leave.

I'm following.

Until I say I left.

[dusky island]

yes that was a compliment

I hope you didn't misunderstand

[thorny steeple]

I guess we as humans always find a way to give meanings to things and for me, this is what makes us human. Imagine to think things are only "as it is". Almost like a world without art, just functioning.

[loud sonnet]

i think i should use another word for the love i am talking about.
sure love is purely chemical
but the love jesus did to everyone.
The love buddha did
and the love Rumi and sufis did
it's not the same with the love we know today

[lavish finch]

Is anyone else following along, reading along?

[thorny steeple]

Me!

[thorny steeple]

yeah, we need dance, especially tango, darling

[loud sonnet]

You can be creative without giving meanings?

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

Sid, it will have meanings regardless.

The meaning can be the interpretation, a personal or a social one.

[loud sonnet]

how?
why everything always have to be meaningful, just for the sake it to exists?
i mean what meaning does this universe have in its existence?
it's meaningless.
it just exists.

[thorny steeple]

What do you guys do in your lives that you can consider as "meaningless"?

And if we can live without be happy, what would be the opposite? And why?

[thorny steeple]

Why it's meaningless?

[loud sonnet]

a lot of things.
like learning how to ride a bicycle even tho i know how to ride it.
singing a song without lyrics.
dancing without beats or moves.

[thorny steeple]

?define meaning

[cursive bobcat]

Word: meaning

Definition 1 (adjective): rich in significance or implication
Definition 2 (noun): the message that is intended or expressed or signified
Definition 3 (noun): the idea that is intended

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by blackstellar

[loud sonnet]

does any of it implies on universe?

[thorny steeple]

You have to understand that no one will love you the way you create it in your own brain and blend it with your own thoughts and turn it into desire. The men in the stories told, on the other hand, are the idealized and romanticized men who have been distanced from reality by the people.

[thorny steeple]

But why would you be doing this in the first place, if it's meaningless? (Because if you're having fun even if you don't have the best moves, it's still meaningful) 🤣

[lavish finch]

It's definitely possible to do things which are meaningless.

[loud sonnet]

why would i expect anything in return?
and yeah that would be called love if you expect anything in return?

[loud sonnet]

it's you who giving meaning to my dance moves.
not me.
i just do it without thinking aboyt any outcome.

[thorny steeple]

Let's put the same as women in some other contexts as well.

[lavish finch]

We have the ability to give things meaning. Which seems to mean that before we do so, it had no meaning or a different meaning.

[full river]

Oh yes. I come to read although not fully here

[lavish finch]

In that case, I won't fully reply.

[thorny steeple]

But you're doing it because you're having fun, right? Or just to exercise, idk.

Ok, guys, give us examples of meaningless things you do.

[loud sonnet]

and why we give meanings?
because we seeking outcomes.
And what will outcome do for us?
it can help us achieve many things in life, society, career.
but if someone has nothing to do with any of such things,
then he can do things without meaning.

[thorny steeple]

Because everything in my life is poetic 💅🏻

🤣

[full river]

The chat is so interesting. With Nocturnal about art and now these talks about beliefs, philosophy and everything.

[lavish finch]

I want to tell you...

[full river]

Enjoy reading you all 💫

[devout shale]

Maybe nothing is meaningless

[loud sonnet]

i am a programmer, i have nothing to do with pens (for most part of it.)
and i love writing sanskrit ( even tho it's ancient language and has no use in today's world) i still write it on daily basis without expecting anything in return.

[thorny steeple]

this is your own truth. In medicine, it's called toxic love. Although philosophy defines it as true love, it says: Love is man's desire to reach God. Ancient Greek philosophy has many definitions on this subject. As a result, there is a difference between your definition of love and the science's definition of love. And your truth is about how you think and how you define it. and in that case you could say, I think that's what love is. I think that's how love should be. and thats your own personal view

[loud sonnet]

to be honest i feel embarrased after dance, so definetly not the fun for me.

[thorny steeple]

Guys, just in case no one told you today. We are all virtual, but I appreciate you all! ❤️

[thorny steeple]

yeah, For example, I romanticize tango

[lavish finch]

Facts themselves are not meaningful. We imbue them with meaning.

[thorny steeple]

Why do you do these things?

[lavish finch]

And they will easily and often have different meanings for different people.

[thorny steeple]

[loud sonnet]

yaaayyy, even if you question my action then maybe you found it meaningless.
🤣

[loud sonnet]

and i don't have to give reason.
because i don't have any.

[thorny steeple]

In a few weeks you will find your Antonio Banderas, miga! I believe in that! 😹

[lavish finch]

For example what does a photo of my face mean? It doesn’t have a set meaning.

[thorny steeple]

ahahah yeah sure

[thorny steeple]

Yes, let's say the opposite is indifference?!

[devout shale]

Me too?

[lavish finch]

Different people can look at my face and come away with different interpretations.

They won’t be wrong.

They’ll just be different

[loud sonnet]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
so you really view life from the lense of science?
then everything got meaning and different truth.

[thorny steeple]

NOOO, I found it funny! And I'd probably dance with you if I see it. 🤣

[thorny steeple]

Reason is different than meaning.

[loud sonnet]

doing things without meaning is actually funny and enjoyable.
you will find more joy in life without meaning 😂

[loud sonnet]

i have no meaning as well.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, but just a bit

[lavish finch]

I don’t think so.

[thorny steeple]

But they can.

[lavish finch]

Our feelings are what give meaning.

[thorny steeple]

But the meaning is to have fun! LOL

[loud sonnet]

see i actually believe in buddha teachings.
and his teachings are about sacrifice.

and renunciation.

[thorny steeple]

Yess

[devout shale]

I don't think that's his main teaching

[loud sonnet]

Nope, that joy is there because it is meaningless.

[thorny steeple]

Sid. I hope you don't sacrifice yourself with meaningless life journeys just by the sake of sacrifice once you yourself has options to choose.

[lavish finch]

What do you want to sacrifice?

[thorny steeple]

Hi what are we talking about?

[thorny steeple]

Omg heyyy

[loud sonnet]

he gave away his empire and lived his life as monk.
what do you think his teachings are?

[lavish finch]

What do you want to sacrifice?

[thorny steeple]

Hey What’s up ☺️

[thorny steeple]

In order for me to see life from the truth of science, I must have no hormones, no emotions, no meanings. this is not possible. Even sociopaths are beings who have feelings at some point. No conscious person can look at life 100 percent scientifically. I'm not just ignoring science.

[loud sonnet]

i have option to choose and i choose to live the way it is.

[thorny steeple]

Everytime cutie potato say this in chat I feel like he is seeing someone sooooo cool that he can't stand but announce: " OMG HEYY"

[devout shale]

If I'm right he was initially searching meaning through sacrifice but then found out that was not the way

[thorny steeple]

Ohh

[loud sonnet]

But there come a point when things are beyond the reach of science.

[lavish finch]

Yes. Most of the most interesting questions are beyond the reach of science.

[thorny steeple]

thats why im an agnostic.

[thorny steeple]

With sacrifice and aaaaall of those boring stuffs. 😂🤭

[loud sonnet]

he got to know that being alive means suffering, then he started teaching the way of sacrifice.

[thorny steeple]

Mano, I prefer be happi. At least it's a more pleasurable delusion if I have to choose one.

[loud sonnet]

i want to sacrifice the social programing of my mind.

for now.

[lavish finch]

Great. Any examples of social programming you’d like to give up?

[devout shale]

He teached how to be free from suffering by giving up desire

[loud sonnet]

the social struture itself, the rat race, the typical planning from taking birth to the death.

[lavish finch]

What are you going to replace the rat race with?

[thorny steeple]

Dude wants to overcome Death at this point.

[loud sonnet]

giving up is also called sacrifice.
Sacrifice your desired.

[lavish finch]

It’s a common fantasy.

[thorny steeple]

Defeating God? He's almost there.

[loud sonnet]

i already replaced it with my intrusive thoughts.

[thorny steeple]

,,🤣

[loud sonnet]

no i want to die as soon as possible.

[lavish finch]

I mean what do you want to replace it with.

[thorny steeple]

What do you think about it?

[lavish finch]

I don’t believe you

[lavish finch]

It’s not possible.

Death is one of life’s guarantees.

[devout shale]

That will lead to happiness

[thorny steeple]

I think part of us already overcame it.

[lavish finch]

if you think about all of the people that could have been alive but never were, we are the rare ones that had a chance to live.

[loud sonnet]

whatever i want to do.
like i said, i practice sanskrit.
i wake up at 2 AM and go swiming.
I make dinner at 4AM.
i am learning things which i dreamed about.

[loud sonnet]

i won't call it happniess.
Because happniess would be the smallest unit to measure the achievment after the sacrifice buddha made.

[devout shale]

Peace maybe

[loud sonnet]

Trust me.
i want to die as soon as possible, but not the coward way.

[thorny steeple]

this reminds me of oslo august 31st ,

[loud sonnet]

not even peace.

he himself gave the word "Nirvana"

[thorny steeple]

I am swimming against it too somehow, in a world where women are banished to want to love a man, I want to get married for love. 😂

"Girlll, you should focus in your carrer, men worths nothing" "men are bad" "love don't exist".

But what can I do right?! 😂
Maybe I'm choosing my own illusion.

[loud sonnet]

and that's what i want to achieve as well Nirvana which is against society norms.

[thorny steeple]

[devout shale]

Yes I know that, what do you think nirvana is about

[loud sonnet]

Liberation.
being one with the truth.
the same truth science can't answer

[thorny steeple]

Sweet dreams are made of thissss

Who I am to disagreeeeeee

[lavish finch]

You are a mystic

[thorny steeple]

Everybody is looking for somethingggg

🎵🎵🎵

[lavish finch]

You would like to apprehend all knowledge

[devout shale]

Right, I think everyone will experience that upon death

[loud sonnet]

she always has lyrics for every scenrio

[lavish finch]

Knowledge which is timeless and cannot be communicated

[thorny steeple]

Of course! This is what makes me a good musician right 🤣

[loud sonnet]

and by death you mean the death of physical body?

[thorny steeple]

[devout shale]

Yes, but there are people who experience it when they are still physically alive, like Buddha

[loud sonnet]

only knowledge which is timeless is the creator itself.
and whatever is inside the time, is inside the illusion.

[lavish finch]

If you say so

[loud sonnet]

and buddha himself said, there is nothing after death.

[loud sonnet]

oh no no, not my words.
just the philiosphy school i am learning from (advait school of philiosphy)

do you guys know about Osho?

[lavish finch]

Cult Leader. Loved sex.

[loud sonnet]

Exactly the same guy.

i love him & his teachings.

[lavish finch]

I was a member of a sex cult before you were even born.

[loud sonnet]

i am sure about it.

[thorny steeple]

im sure it was funny.

[loud sonnet]

i am actually very young.

[thorny steeple]

Some of his books are very good!

[thorny steeple]

17?

[loud sonnet]

...

ah that's what you consider very young?

[thorny steeple]

[loud sonnet]

then i am a little older.

[thorny steeple]

How old?

[loud sonnet]

23

[thorny steeple]

Ohhhh ok!

[loud sonnet]

I am sure it was.
and for me it was like a punch line 😂

[loud sonnet]

would you like to read something realted to his work?
not his but realted to his teachings?

[thorny steeple]

wdym

[loud sonnet]

"I was a member of a sex cult before you were even born." talking about this.
knowing the context, it sounds even more funny.

[thorny steeple]

What it means to be a member of a sex cult? James are into some occultist practices envolving sexual activities?

[lavish finch]

No secondhand sex cult propaganda please. If you’re going to try to recruit us into your cult I prefer you use your own personal propaganda appeal.

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

I said this because I thought it was really fun, not to make fun of it. so, free sex

[loud sonnet]

Would you like to pitch it for me dear Sir?
we can share the profit 60:40
i will take the 40.

[loud sonnet]

oooo, no no no
sorry.

[thorny steeple]

👀

[thorny steeple]

calm.

[lavish finch]

You guys think I'm joking.

[loud sonnet]

-breathe in-
-breathe out-
i am calm

[loud sonnet]

not even 1%
why would we take it as joke?

[thorny steeple]

I was 👀

It's not so wrong for people to join sex cults. But the cults themselves can be wrong, of course.

[loud sonnet]

oh for the pitch part?
i was joking too. 😂

[lavish finch]

I joined this cult in 1999. It was great.

https://www.documentarytube.com/articles/sri-chinmoy-founder-of-peace-run-or-sex-criminal/

[loud sonnet]

why it would be wrong?

our pepe lord once said
"Out beyond idea of wrong-doing and right-doing there is a field(land). I'll meet you there."

[lavish finch]

The internet made it harder to run a cult.

It was too easy for people to get info on the group.

So it fell apart.

[thorny steeple]

?define cult

[cursive bobcat]

Word: cult

Definition 1 (noun): an interest followed with exaggerated zeal
Definition 2 (noun): a system of religious beliefs and rituals
Definition 3 (noun): a religion or sect that is generally considered to be unorthodox, extremist, or false

Other definitions can be found here

Definition requested by blackstellar

[loud sonnet]

Having sex cult is against the society norms.
and i want to go against society norms so bad.
😂

[lavish finch]

Soceity is terrified by sex.

[thorny steeple]

Ok, looks like your cult gained another member LOL

[thorny steeple]

because cults can use people. Isn't that obvious?

I guess sex is terrified by society.

[lavish finch]

I need to leave. My next class starts in 5 min. Happy to continue this conversation another time.

[thorny steeple]

Good luck

[loud sonnet]

yeah
monogamy is such a joke from society. ( i don't oppose it, i don't support it)
it's just some elite people made rules and now normal people have to follow it.
Why?
Why we follow anything you have to say.
We doing no harm to people, we doing no harm to enviorment.
then also they hate such people.
and that was the idea of going against society

[thorny steeple]

Something so cute is used to: manipulate, harm, offend, sell stuffs, people trafficking, etc.

[sand nebula]

hey?

[devout shale]

Hi?

[loud sonnet]

see people surly can use other people in cult.
but not when someone is like osho.
not when someone is like Rumi.
not when someone is like Jesus.

[thorny steeple]

Dude, I barely hug a person I'm not close enough, imagine being polygamous.

[sand nebula]

how are u

[thorny steeple]

😂

[loud sonnet]

Fear fear everywhere.
i am not even supporting polygamous.
I am just saying why i have to follow only monogamy.

[devout shale]

Good, wbu

[sand nebula]

not bad .what are u doing

[thorny steeple]

Sid you look so avid of freedom.

So so hungry of freedom

[loud sonnet]

@thorny steeple i am talking non stop here, without the intension of proving my point.
so this is meaningless as well.

[thorny steeple]

Like you're deeeeeply trapped

And have nowhere to run

[devout shale]

Chatting

[loud sonnet]

that's true

[thorny steeple]

And I guess you're the only one doing it to yourself.
You're trapped in your own mind.

😂

[loud sonnet]

hmmmmmmmmm.
i dont support the last statement.

[thorny steeple]

🤣

It's ok it's ok

Well, guys, this chat is very interesting.
I have to eat something, I always forget to eat.

[sand nebula]

guys my laptop is not working normally and its tooo much slow coming up and restarting whats the problem u know?

[loud sonnet]

you can't hug stranger.
i can laugh with them, share beer with them and have good memories.
that's what i am after.(somewhat there)

[thorny steeple]

Have a nice chat there! 🥰

[loud sonnet]

i am hungry too

[devout shale]

How old is it

[loud sonnet]

maybe it need some washing

[sand nebula]

9 i guess

[sand nebula]

probably

[thorny steeple]

I dont have a laptop so i have not that problem

[loud sonnet]

9 Days.
9 Months
9 years?

[sand nebula]

last one check

[loud sonnet]

9 YEARS?

[devout shale]

@sand nebula try disabling useless programs running in background

[loud sonnet]

Mam, you need to give it to your nearest museum.

[sand nebula]

lucky you then

[thorny steeple]

Yea

[sand nebula]

howww

[devout shale]

👋

[sand nebula]

thats not wise, its asus and its still a laptop

[thorny steeple]

My pc have a i9 11 gen and 128 gb ram and a rtx 3090 24 gb

[sand nebula]

okay

[loud sonnet]

@thorny steeple @thorny steeple @devout shale Thank you so much for your time and efforts to keep this conversation so insightful.
@lavish finch I would love to talk more with you Sir, about your cult expiernce and about life experience as well, and thank you so much for your time as well.

[sand nebula]

btw windows is updated

[loud sonnet]

Bro what are you planning with that desktop?
hack satellite?

[devout shale]

First thing open task manager to see what programs are running that use cpu and ram the most

@loud sonnet youre welcome, see you 👋

[thorny steeple]

Nope only gaming in highest settings

[sand nebula]

thx got it

[thorny steeple]

i dont think so. I don't know about osho but one of the guys you mentioned is a political figure to me and the other is not a very good example.

[devout shale]

@sand nebula then go to settings and disable them at startup

[thorny steeple]

Goodnight ☺️

[thorny steeple]

you're welcome and thanks to you too.

[sand nebula]

and another thing to say

no nothing

byee

[devout shale]

🤔

Bye

[devout shale]

Yw

[thorny steeple]

There is this truth inside of yooou, It lieees deeeeep inside your heart ❤️ and it's calling so you can feel it and it's calling so you can beeeeee 🎵🎵

[tropic basin]

Hello guys

[fading ice]

Hello

[fading ice]

where are you from?

[jaunty mesa]

There is a question that makes me really uncomfortable. Does people live to die? What if there isn't any heaven or hell. What if nothing happens? Maybe nothing will happen, maybe we'll reborn. I just can't stop thinking about it.

What is suicide, what will happen? Is there a creator of this universe? Will the creator punish me for that? I mean, if somebody doesn't like his or her appearance, isn't committing suicide a hope?

We'll all die at the end, we're living to die one day. I'm thinking about it for a few days. What if we do dangerous stuff to die?

[thorny steeple]

What if heaven or hell is just here and we are the ones who creates it?

What if the meaning of life from the start to end is just you who gets to choose?

I love those topics!

[thorny steeple]

The question is: why would you want to do it?

[jaunty mesa]

that makes my head hurt, now.

[thorny steeple]

And of course, BORAAA YOU'RE BACKKK! 🥰

[jaunty mesa]

I am

[thorny steeple]

Why hurt?

It was supposed to be fun! LOL

Imagine if you couldn't even choose!

[jaunty mesa]

there is so much going on

[sonic lion]

Please go watch synecdoche, new york!

[jaunty mesa]

I've been through this a few times.

I will

[sonic lion]

It’s a movie about that question

[jaunty mesa]

Is it on Netflix?

[sonic lion]

No

At least not in brazilian netflix

[jaunty mesa]

I only have Netflix

[jaunty mesa]

where can I find it?

prime video...

[sonic lion]

I watched illegally

on stremio

[jaunty mesa]

which site?

[sonic lion]

Stremio!

This is screenwriter and director Charlie Kaufman’s masterpiece, I hope you’ll like it

[jaunty mesa]

I hope

[sonic lion]

It has a complex narrative but don’t give up, the ending is great

[jaunty mesa]

I'll watch it now

[sonic lion]

Oh god, that never happened before

Someone actually watching my silly little movies

[jaunty mesa]

I looked it up on 'ekşi sözlük', a local platform people writes about different topics and talks without heavy rules. They liked it, I'll watch it.

[thorny steeple]

Damn this one was fast!

[sonic lion]

Do you ever watched eternal sunshine of a spotless mind?

It’s from the same screenwriter

But this time he is also directing

[jaunty mesa]

nope

how can I watch it?

It says Install Addons

[sonic lion]

You don’t have too

Just click on the player

Wait

[jaunty mesa]

how

[sonic lion]

click in any of those

[sonic lion]

I think it only work for tablet or notebooks

Idk

[thorny steeple]

@sonic lion I'll answer here, LOL! Let's leave general chat alone. In a general way of speaking, my type is someone who makes my life better and not worse, and it has to do with a lot of things, not about being cute, y'know. A man who I can truly trust and is really a honorable person.

[sonic lion]

that’s realistic

[jaunty mesa]

watching it rn

take care

[sonic lion]

have a good experience!

I’m afraid the movie will make you worse

it hit me so hard I cried myself to sleep

and the other day I adopted a kitten

[thorny steeple]

There are a lot of ways someone can make your life better and worse.

[sonic lion]

love does both

[thorny steeple]

Like: he makes me wonder more than be sure about his love = worse.
He makes me sure about his intentions and love = better.

[sonic lion]

true

[thorny steeple]

He tries to understand me and recognize my efforts = better.
He avoids conflicts and don't see my efforts = worse.

[sonic lion]

I’m actually unable to like someone who doesn’t like me back

[thorny steeple]

He loves my cakes = better.
He don't love my cakes = worse.

[ebon comet]

what site is this?

[sonic lion]

Stremio

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

PERFECTION, me too!

[sonic lion]

You’re cooking for him that’s cute

[thorny steeple]

I'm not a good cooker, LOL

But I like to do it when I'm feeling to, so:

He let me cook whenever I'm feeling like cooking and love it = better.
He forces me to cook when I'm not into it and complains about it = worse.

[jaunty mesa]

It doesn't start

[sonic lion]

Shit

[jaunty mesa]

It gave network error 2 times

[thorny steeple]

He makes fun jokes for me to laugh = better.
Makes fun of me and makes me feel bad about myself = worse and I'll kill him back making him feel even worse, because I'm not a punch sac to be treated badly.

[jaunty mesa]

720p

[sonic lion]

Try the Torrenti ones

[thorny steeple]

[jaunty mesa]

My internet is <1mbps download and 0.01 upload

[sonic lion]

Damn

Okay let’s just talk about life so, you don’t need to watch the film

[jaunty mesa]

Sometimes upload reaches up to 0.5

[sonic lion]

What bothers you?

[jaunty mesa]

Everything

[ebon comet]

bruh

[jaunty mesa]

Parents, exams, ill be in high school this year, my old job

[ebon comet]

australia?

[sonic lion]

I had male friends who made me feel so bad about myself. When I tried to be humorist they would sarcastically laugh and things like that

I wasn’t even trying to be funny but they’ll made me want to never joke again

Most man that I know are like that

They only like other man

So yeah, it’s a good standard

[thorny steeple]

Time to switch those """"""""""friends"""""""""".

The hard truth is: they're not your friends.

[sonic lion]

I thought you were thinking about death

This is nothing

Highschool will be over before you even realize

[jaunty mesa]

Why nothing?

Why?

[sonic lion]

Because it’s the same

You think everything will be different

But it’s not

[jaunty mesa]

University?

[sonic lion]

Well, it’s harder

Way harder

[jaunty mesa]

No, high school is prep for university

Exam

[sonic lion]

Yea but it’s easy

[jaunty mesa]

Not in Turkey

[sonic lion]

Exactly

[sonic lion]

So study hard

Your academic future is more important then trying to fit in, remember

[jaunty mesa]

I got fired from my job a few months ago, that hit me so hard.

[sonic lion]

I like university more than I liked high school but idk it’s different for everyone

[sonic lion]

That’s my favorite topic

Man i read TIRED

sorry

[thorny steeple]

Emma, I've to go now. However, everything will be fine!

Life's good in bringing good people for us and taking out the bad ones

We just need to detach from those who's not meant for us and recognize the good ones.

Good luck girl ❤️ You're very young, there is a lot of time ahead! 🥰

[sonic lion]

Well, I know it’s really hard. But it’s literally a common thing in capitalism, in fact, the system needs to fire people in order to remain cheap labor

[jaunty mesa]

I was cheap labor

3K salary

[sonic lion]

Bye Angelline, see you tomorrow! And I wish every good thing for you, you deserve the world

[jaunty mesa]

Min payment is 4 times higher than that

[sonic lion]

Yep. People here have pHd and can’t get a job

[jaunty mesa]

That makes less than a 100 euros

Im 14

[sonic lion]

If you don’t need to work, focus on your studies

[ebon comet]

phd in what? gender studies?

[sonic lion]

Do you know what you want to do?

[sonic lion]

Lol no. STEM

[jaunty mesa]

Im a professional windsurfer and hourly rental is >500₺ here. I could do it for free

[ebon comet]

oh no. what do you do?

[thorny steeple]

Guys, how block here works? If I block someone they can still see me?

Idk why I keep seeing them.

[ebon comet]

yes

[lavish finch]

What do you want to block?

[thorny steeple]

A person.

[jaunty mesa]

Yep

[lavish finch]

Let's do an experiment, Angelline.

Block me and I'll tell you if I can see you.

[thorny steeple]

Ok

Blocked!

[lavish finch]

Ok

I can still see you.

[thorny steeple]

It's like 1 blocked message.

[jaunty mesa]

You can see him if you click

[thorny steeple]

2 blocked messages, lol!

[lavish finch]

Can you still see me?

[thorny steeple]

But I still can see him there in CREWMATE

[lavish finch]

Or it's only what I write now after you blocked me.

[sonic lion]

I study psychology, you basically can’t get any job if you don’t have at least a masters. That’s crazy, I mean, in old times if you had only a college degree you would be payed high

[thorny steeple]

And I can see him typing...

[lavish finch]

I can see everything you write.

[thorny steeple]

I will unblock!

Ohh!

I sent another friend request, the block removed it.

[ebon comet]

nah, you just needed to wear a tie.

[sonic lion]

a girl wearing a tie?

[earnest monolith]

[sonic lion]

https://tenor.com/view/avril-lavigne-gif-9619884

its givin Avril Lavigne

[lavish finch]

Well, that's a good question.

[thorny steeple]

I sang this song yesterday here, LOL

[lavish finch]

There's plenty of work that needs doing.

[ebon comet]

why not

[lavish finch]

And there's plenty of money.

[sonic lion]

it’s an anthem

[thorny steeple]

Thanks Jamesss

[lavish finch]

Sure

[sonic lion]

apparently the world don’t need more psychologists

[lavish finch]

Actually the world is in desperate need of more psychologists.

And other professions

[thorny steeple]

I think I would be a good one, LOL

[jaunty mesa]

World needs quality psychiatrist

[sonic lion]

they need shrinks

clinical psychologists are just not necessary

[lavish finch]

Based on what? Low demand?

[sonic lion]

AI can do it

and also there’s no jobs here

and I don’t even want to be clinical

i wanted to do research

[jaunty mesa]

I talked with Discord's AI. It made me worse 😭

[sonic lion]

the AI is good

shoutout to my pessimistic AI’s

gotta love them

[lavish finch]

You can't always get what you want.

[sonic lion]

but if you try sometimes

you may find

you get what you need

[lavish finch]

This is the serious chat. Dial back the playfulness.

[sonic lion]

lmao

[lavish finch]

If you don't know how, just imagine you're in a Werner Herzog
documentary about graduate students who finished school feeling disillusioned with their career prospects.

[sonic lion]

it was just a rolling stones song man chill

[ebon comet]

you usually need a phd for that

[sonic lion]

that’s the story of student

[sonic lion]

yes

i’m only in my first year

of uni

but im afraid i’ll get no programs

brazil is just awful to pursue science

[lavish finch]

If you want, we can do a fundraiser to purchase you a custom t-shirt that says "I graduated with a Ph.D in psychology and all I got was this lousy Discord channel."

[sonic lion]

This is the serious chat. Dial back the playfulness.

[lavish finch]

Imitation. It's the sincerest form of flattery.

[sonic lion]

I would never flatter a american

[lavish finch]

Emma, you know I'm just playing, right?

[sonic lion]

Idk you kinda sound like a robot

[dire grove]

[dire grove]

hello, everyone

[lavish finch]

Hi kristine

[sonic lion]

hello

[dire grove]

cool how are you doing

[lavish finch]

The world has a love/hate relationship with America.

[sonic lion]

it was just a joke, but yeah

it has given many great things, but you know

anyone that studied history gotta be pissed with the country

[jaunty mesa]

Good night, I'm leaving. It's 4:50AM here already 👋

[lavish finch]

Goodnight Bora

[static pivot]

Youre liking discord so far?

Nights bora and morning james

[lavish finch]

Hey, hey, hey

[ornate siren]

Hello

[lavish finch]

Hello Nocturnal

I'm watching a roundtable on censorship.

[lavish finch]

It's true. But at least we have a 1st amendment. Other countries are truly draconian in their repression of speech and thought.

[lavish finch]

(leaving)

[sonic lion]

What is draconian

[ornate siren]

Here, it means harsh and retributive.

[sonic lion]

Lmao

Usa is not only draconian is speech

They’re harsh on every nation they got their hands in it

Uncle Sam robbed and destroyed every country they could

And still do it

[sonic lion]

Thank you. I only knew that name from a metal band

[ornate siren]

I may tell you about that more, yet.

[sonic lion]

Nocturnal, you like history, tell him how the USA used the big stick politics

[ornate siren]

Not now, studies!

[sonic lion]

Oh okay

I should do that too

[thorny steeple]

There is not a single innocent country in the world. all countries past and present are full of filth. America is just the most powerful empire today, that's all.

[sonic lion]

That’s correct, but americans seemed to forget about imperialism and how detrimental their country made others

They’re delusional sometimes

[toxic plover]

We can all hate country x but we should never discredit them for what they've done as well, the goods that they have done, the inventions that helped other countries, etc

Everyone is bad, we are flawed species filled with imperfections, we compensate that by trying to do more good than bad, we create balance, we live to repair and fix inconsistencies.

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from??

[toxic plover]

https://tenor.com/view/undercover-sneaky-shh-gif-18879421

[thorny steeple]

[true aspen]

Hey

[thorny steeple]

Okok! I'll not ask anymore!!

Okok, habibi 🥰

[toxic plover]

[thorny steeple]

@toxic plover I heard that it's a beautiful place. I asked because I saw your comment there, lol! Thanx anyways for sharingg!

[loud sonnet]

i will stand for India on this.
by inncoent you mean who never harmed others Right?
then i stand for india.

[thorny steeple]

Sid Sid Sidd

[loud sonnet]

hello pepe priestess

[thorny steeple]

[loud sonnet]

[thorny steeple]

[loud sonnet]

aye
this is sus

[thorny steeple]

Whyy

It's so cute 🥰

[loud sonnet]

evil pepe priestess?
hmmm sounds cute.!

[thorny steeple]

🤣

[loud sonnet]

are you drunk @thorny steeple ?

[thorny steeple]

No, why?

[loud sonnet]

oh, nothing.
just guessing. 😂

[thorny steeple]

I'm upset right now.

[loud sonnet]

do you want to confess?
Pepe is listening to us right now.

[thorny steeple]

It's not something bad, I'm just upset that I was in a good deep sleep and I woke up out of nowhere, now I can't sleep.

[loud sonnet]

awwww that's sooooo sad.

[thorny steeple]

😭

[loud sonnet]

let me sing you lullaby.

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[loud sonnet]

too bad i don't know any

[thorny steeple]

I don't think so Sid

[full river]

Heeey

Woke up and came to read the chat again

It is my favourite thing these days 🙃

[full river]

What's going on? 😶❤️

[thorny steeple]

I'm good, just upset that I woke up from a deep sleep and can't go back to it. 😔🤣