🧠｜serious-chat

[royal storm]

do you want to start now

[thorny steeple]

What would you like to talk about?

[static pivot]

Who uses spotify?

[thorny steeple]

I'm a chad who uses Youtube

[royal storm]

can you choose pls ? this is my problem idk what i can talking about

[static pivot]

Well then it was always allowed

[thorny steeple]

I can never stick to one playlist so I use yt so I can look up everything fast

[thorny steeple]

What genre of music do you like?

[static pivot]

Im making a server playlist

[royal storm]

my favourite genre of music is phonk for now

[thorny steeple]

Lmao my music is not liked by many so I can't add to it

[static pivot]

Idea is, each member add only one song to the list

[royal storm]

what about you?

[static pivot]

English song

[thorny steeple]

What's your favourite phonk song?

[thorny steeple]

I have multiple genres I really enjoy. It includes Metal, Rock, Psychedelic and Japanese Funk

[royal storm]

kerosene

[thorny steeple]

How many songs do you currently have in the playlist?

[static pivot]

1

[thorny steeple]

You could ask the question in #1007947548436209727

[thorny steeple]

I'll have a listen to it in a bit

[static pivot]

Yeah i know i made that

[royal storm]

this song turn you into a god

lol

[thorny steeple]

That's a good way of selling the song to me
Though, phonk isn't a genre I particularly listen to a lot since it sounds too modern and unfamiliar to me

[royal storm]

yes it's true but can be very useful when people go to the gym

[thorny steeple]

I could ask for some song recommendations off people if you want (from this server ofc)

[thorny steeple]

I'll take note of that since I'm beginning my workout routine again

[royal storm]

do you have some games that you like or some genres that you like?

[thorny steeple]

I stated my music genres before but in terms of games, I have many. Currently my favourite is Bloodborne

Its a hard but enjoyable game

[royal storm]

oh i understand you so do you like souls like genre?

before i like very much fps games or something just like these but now i really want to play rts games

[thorny steeple]

I haven't played many but I really want to. I'm a major fan of manga like Berserk so it'll only fuel my passion for the body horror and depressing atmosphere it brings

[thorny steeple]

I recommend EU IV, HOI IV and CIV 6

and FPS games are very nice, I play Battlefield V

[royal storm]

i have tried all of this

except for HOI 4

idk what hoi4 is

can you explain me that

[thorny steeple]

Basically WW2 but you can download many mods and get extensions

The game is expensive since there are a lot of purchases for addons

Really fun experience though

[royal storm]

do you have ever played total war games?

[thorny steeple]

I haven't had the chance to

[royal storm]

why?

[thorny steeple]

I've been playing a lot of RPGs and didn't get any total war games that were on sale

I know some people play Shogun 2

[royal storm]

so i think that now you play games like baldur's gate

it's a really masterpiece

imo

[thorny steeple]

I should play it since I have heard of it but currently I am just playing the Fallout Series and Skyrim

I don't have the disposal income right now to purchase any new games

[royal storm]

i understand it do you like hardware of pc?

[thorny steeple]

I know a little bit about computers but really not much lmao

I haven't been using PCs for a lot of my life and I have larger issues such as school that keep me from spending hours and hours on pcs

[royal storm]

so do you play on console or on pc?

[thorny steeple]

I have a laptop in which I play Fallout and HOI4 but I am mostly a console player

I play on PS4

[royal storm]

i started with xbox 360 then i go for ps4 and now i am currently on pc

[thorny steeple]

PS will also be superior to xbox

🤘

[royal storm]

imo no

[thorny steeple]

I grew up on PS from the PS2 to PS4

Which made up my gaming childhood

Since I never had much internet, a phone or a pc

[royal storm]

basically playsation company has more users and this create something like a chain and for this reason many people go for play to play with their friends

[thorny steeple]

That is true but surprisingly, a lot of PS players I know are lonely LMAO

[royal storm]

lol that's can be true

do you have ever played fifa games

[thorny steeple]

I'm not a fan of sports games, sorry

[royal storm]

do you like football

[royal storm]

i play fifa games only beacuse i like football , i don't like too much fifa games because make you too nervous lol

[thorny steeple]

Not really since I have never watched or played football. I haven't done much sports either so it isn't my thing

[royal storm]

what do you like to do

[thorny steeple]

Its going to sound depressing but walking, listening to music, playing games and, watching anime and anime

[royal storm]

would you like to learn another language?

[thorny steeple]

I would like to learn another language but I'm not sure which one to pick

Though I'm going to Vietnam in November so I'm going to learn a bit of that before I go

Planning on starting tomorrow, I just hope my hangover doesn't come

[amber cape]

it doesn't sound depressing if it's something you enjoy

[bold saddle]

Hey AMerica! what's popping my name is Mike!

[thorny steeple]

I don't overly enjoy it a lot though since its too repetitive a lot of the time

[amber cape]

WALTUH

[bold saddle]

wdym?

[lethal sparrow]

post ur best phonk song

[royal storm]

i really want learn english very well but in my country none and i said none is be able to speak english so idk how i can to do to learn it very well

[amber cape]

nvm it's a reference

[amber cape]

watch everything in english

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from?

[royal storm]

kerosene you can find it in spotify

[bold saddle]

Now I'm the bad guy! call me chun Li!

[amber cape]

yt, shows, movies everythinh

[thorny steeple]

Street fighter fan?

[royal storm]

Spanish

[thorny steeple]

Oh right. In English you'd say Spain

[bold saddle]

nope

[royal storm]

Spain

[bold saddle]

Have u ever watched Kung fu panda the Movie?

[thorny steeple]

Oh okay, I just know chun-li is a street fighter character and she's my favourite

[bold saddle]

U can't go against Nicki

[thorny steeple]

Yes but a very long time ago

[royal storm]

when i should use spanish?

[thorny steeple]

Nicki?

[bold saddle]

same

[thorny steeple]

When you are referring to the language or yourself

[bold saddle]

yuh yuh

[thorny steeple]

You are Spanish but you come from Spain

and you speak spanish

[thorny steeple]

Who is it?

[royal storm]

i undesrtand thanks very much i' m trying to learn english but you know that in this situation it's not easy

[bold saddle]

Umm....chile anyways so Answer this question>

[royal storm]

i am doing it but it's always difficult

[bold saddle]

But it's easy for me

[thorny steeple]

I understand how it can be difficult but you'll get there with enough practice. This server is good since you can ask people questions in #📚｜english-questions or in general chat

[amber cape]

what's your first language?

[royal storm]

Spanish

[thorny steeple]

Some people are better at different things

[amber cape]

ok so that's actually not very far apart from english you see

[white shard]

What's cooking good looking?

[amber cape]

if you wanna practice speaking it i suggest that you use discord as a tool

[bold saddle]

I'm American

[amber cape]

join random vcs and try talking with peeps in english

you'll get better overtime

[bold saddle]

An apple pie

[thorny steeple]

What part of America?

[bold saddle]

California

[royal storm]

if you're american it's obvious that you are able to speak english very well

[thorny steeple]

In this sentence you'd use "you'll" instead of "you're"

[bold saddle]

It's so easy for everyone there

[thorny steeple]

Then its a given you'll be able to speak English better than @royal storm

[bold saddle]

yea!

[white shard]

Why don't you have a native role then?

[amber cape]

my bad lol i was typing subconsciously xd

[white shard]

Why did you choose advanced?

[thorny steeple]

Lmao its good all, I just like to give people small pointers on their English

[royal storm]

how old are you?

[thorny steeple]

I'm 17 years old. How about yourself?

[amber cape]

i appreciate it 👌

[royal storm]

can you help me to improve my english?

[bold saddle]

Idk I'm a Kid

[thorny steeple]

I'm not the best at English but I can help every now and then

[bold saddle]

guys have u watched Child's play Movie? I'm an actor of that Movie!

[royal storm]

thanks you can create a private chat with me if you want

[thorny steeple]

Sure, I'll send a DM

[amber cape]

what about the disabled

[bold saddle]

I'm an actor of a Movie lol

[amber cape]

you but if it's general then it should technically apply to everyone right

[white shard]

Yes

Because freedom is a vague term

There are degrees of freedom

[civic reef]

to be free is to abandon one's ego, so essentially being free means getting rid of yourself, and everyone else

so

if you love someone, then this is not freedom anymore

[vernal crypt]

Where are you getting rid of them?

[vernal crypt]

How does love = the absence of freedom?

[amber cape]

in what context

nah lol i was watching yt

[amber cape]

that sounds a bit unusual

[civic reef]

I did not mean literally doing something to all the people or yourself, i meant realizing that it's kind of like... not being attached to them, and not being attached to your own self-esteem, so for example if they die, you do not cry or worry, because this is just flow of life, same as if you are about to die, then thats also life so you should also agree for your death one day by not worrying about it

[amber cape]

yk you're describing a psychopath here

[vernal crypt]

So an acceptance of others and their defects of character.
Live and let live, so to speak

[amber cape]

ig not then

[vernal crypt]

No they aren't. In fact they are explaining themselves more clearly.

[thorny steeple]

Is love = attachment? Or is it possible to love without getting attached.

[amber cape]

i get the ego and self esteem part but the abandonment of all human emotions?

but ig i'm on a different page than you guys so maybe i'm onto something else

[civic reef]

no, i mean okay maybe it can be perceived as such, but that was not what i wanted to say, i basically meant that if you get rid of your ego and yourself, then there are no bounds, you do not care how other people think you are dressed, you behave, you just do yourself, and you do not harm them, because they live as themselves, if your partner cheats on you then well thats bad but it is their will and you allow them to do that, because you are not attached to anyone, you are free from people and also from your own judgement

[vernal crypt]

I believe that some people see past the emotions of losing a loved one.
At least from natural causes.
But I also believe that when someone is taken from us in a tragic death, we experience shock, anger and various other emotions.
None of which should be suppressed

[amber cape]

have you seen "into the wild"

if that's what you're going for then yeah i agree

[vernal crypt]

I hear what you say. I don't know that we have reached that level of self awareness to achieve that.
Do we really want that?

[civic reef]

no, i looked it up right now to see what you want to say tho, and i guess i just sound a bit weird then, i was not saying you should do nothing and have no ambitions and no love ever, i was saying that they kinda limit you, so if you decide to live with them, then be aware they are not to be taken for granted, your loved one may die, the ambitions may be unfullfilled, and so on, and if so happens, then accept it, because thats the flow of life

[vernal crypt]

Yes
I think that's what we all do.
I have been with the same person now for 24 years
Through ups and downs.
I think we achieve this mostly through acceptance, respect and communication.

[thorny steeple]

If I'm not mistaken, there's drugs that can evoke the feeling of 'ego death'.

[vernal crypt]

I try to avoid unnecessary medication

[thorny steeple]

Psychedelics

[vernal crypt]

Those aren't reliable

[thorny steeple]

Me neither, but the effects are interesting still

[civic reef]

Yeah great question... do we, am not sure, but for example at least a tiny bit of that disattachment from ego and people is useful sometimes. Like real life example, you are in love, your girlfriend, or boyfriend does not cheat on you, buuut they behave as if they were cheating, and you are suspicious now, because there are hints they are dishonest, they go out with a lot of weird friends and neglect you for a week or two, they were not like this before, so now there is a problem, because you may get very angry and break up immediately, or accept their will because youve been disattached to a certain level anyway, and just approach the thing calmly, ask how they feel and what they think, and if they refuse to tell you, then do not scream or be very upset, just accept you control only yourself. This is working, because if they wanted, they would tell you when approached calmly and patiently, if patience for them did not work then your anger and your attachment will not either

[thorny steeple]

Sleeping is mostly unconscious. I don't think it's the same.

But can you perceive this freedom during the period of sleep?

[civic reef]

You clearly love them and you kind of are already attached to a point, but you are also not attached absolutely, so you can control yourself and allow them for their space, by not taking it with your own self

but yeah thats easy to say and hard to do

[civic reef]

although i like this idea, because i naturally am a very jealous person, also overprotective, and i destroyed one relationship from my pure jealousy and extreme attachment to the person, it felt as if i was strangling them with my own ego and my attachment, and i should have let it go, let them decide

[vernal crypt]

I hear what you're saying.
I believe communication isn't a reflection of ego.
If the two of you are in a relationship together, you are equal.
You both have a responsibility to communicate to eachother , when either senses a change in the relationship or behaviour of one partner.
This isn't necessarily ego, but a demonstration of concern for their wellbeing

[civic reef]

Yes, i think thats kinda up to the interpretation now, because you had a different life and now your concerns for their wellbeing are different than mine, maybe they are less severe, or you control yourself naturally very well, so its default for you to not be overprotective or too concerned too often. For me I usually need to explain this to myself that way, because my nature is pretty eager, i think thats the word

[thorny steeple]

At least from my perspective, to feel is to experience, to indulge in it.

[vernal crypt]

I think life experience allows us to move towards this ideal.

[thorny steeple]

Feeling is irrational. It's a reaction towards the perceived event of real time, from memories or conjecture. It is possible to perceive feeling out of our will.

[vernal crypt]

It's a part of us and the propulsion that moves us forward

[thorny steeple]

Exactly

[vernal crypt]

It's nice too

Also they play part in
Chemical reactions in the brain to help us act or react

[thorny steeple]

That is on the positive front.

[vernal crypt]

They can save a life

[thorny steeple]

I'm intrigued

I guess you're referring to gut feeling?

During extreme operations surgeons sometimes inject adrenaline so as to keep the body 'pumping' and increase the chance of survival. Hormones play a major part in our lives, and emotions are just a range of the effects evoked by them you can notice

[thorny steeple]

I believe they meant responses such as fight or flight mode, which is brought about by hormones like adrenaline or noradrenaline

Not sure what that means, but yes, I'm highly receptive to perspectives, but not a thorough one.

So excuse some contradiction I guess

[lavish finch]

Hello

[ivory vale]

Hi James

[lavish finch]

Hi Neli

[ivory vale]

I'm sorry about our last meeting here.

And I am glad that we meet again now.

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[ivory vale]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

You are from Germany.I was working in Germany.

[ivory vale]

Yeah I thought your name works well for Germany.

[thorny steeple]

Iam bus driver.

I connected two small cities.

[ivory vale]

I only ever have worked in Germany.

I was a Software tester.

Now I am mostly a mom.

[thorny steeple]

Congratulions

[ivory vale]

Thank you

[thorny steeple]

I not sure that correct...

You're welcome

[ivory vale]

It's "congratulations"

[thorny steeple]

Ok, thank you very much for you help.

[ivory vale]

I'm glad to help.

I'm curious about working in another country.

Must be exiting and tough.

[lavish finch]

Sorry, I fell asleep.

[ivory vale]

Welcome back

[lavish finch]

It may happen again

[ivory vale]

Another subgroup taking over.

I may have to attend to my son.

[lavish finch]

That’s not another subgroup

That’s another group entirely

[ivory vale]

I was referring to the parts of you that are sleepy and make you fall asleep.

Spending time with my son is another group.

[lavish finch]

You’re multi tasking

[ivory vale]

Right now not.

I just don't know for how long.

[lavish finch]

You were ambiguous with a sentence fragment

And ambiguous in your decision with regards to time you plan to stay

And in other ways

[ivory vale]

Which sentence fragment?

[lavish finch]

“Spending time with my son is another group.” is a fragment

It’s an incomplete sentence

It starts with a gerund and so it’s just a noun phrase

Similar to “watching TV”

It’s ambiguous if the “is” is intentional

Or if that was meant to be in

[ivory vale]

Oh.

[ivory vale]

I intended to formulate an agreement with what you said before.

[lavish finch]

What stopped you?

[ivory vale]

Not being a master of the English language.

[lavish finch]

I don’t think that’s it.

You don’t need to be a master of the English language to tell me that you’d like to make an agreement about some thing.

I still don’t even know what you wanted to agree about

You could’ve started there

[ivory vale]

The correct sentence might be:
I also think that spending time with my son is spending time with a completely different group.

[lavish finch]

I see

[thorny steeple]

I'm sorry Neli.I went to the toilet.

[ivory vale]

You are in good company with James possibly falling asleep and me possibly having to leave to take care of my son.

I'm also planning to leave here at 15 UTC in case nobody calls on me.

[lavish finch]

You said you were sorry about yesterday

What are you sorry about?

[ivory vale]

Inviting you to talk and then shutting you down.

[lavish finch]

Ok

[ivory vale]

And blocking myself from finding out what you were going to say.

[lavish finch]

I was saying that Freethought and free expression are valuable even in people with opinions that are different from ours.

And it’s a mistake to try to control people by controlling their thought and speech.

You might as well just kill them to control them.

[ivory vale]

You are saying that the only way to actually control what another human thinks and says is by killing them?

And that it's not even a reasonable goal to attempt to censor ideas.

[lavish finch]

I’m saying that free thought is a characteristic of being human.

[ivory vale]

Inseparable.

[lavish finch]

Authoritarian regimes may attempt to control peoples thoughts and actions. But they will predictably be met with resistance. Because people value their autonomy.

And you can see that authoritarian regimes who fail to control peoples thoughts do often then resort to killing them.

You said that this was a difficult topic to engage with me on. What’s the difficulty?

[thorny steeple]

Is true.The people uprising against injustice.

[ivory vale]

I care a lot about people having some opinions I don't agree with.
And current communication systems reinforce opinions and provide little opportunity for change.

I'm not enthusiastic about letting these echo chambers ring on.

[lavish finch]

Would you let them shut you down?

That's what I asked you yesterday

and you laughed

[ivory vale]

I don't think so.

[lavish finch]

But you would like them to let you shut them down

[thorny steeple]

The conversation is very interesting,but I have to go now.Have a good time.See you soon.

[lavish finch]

Bye Klaus

[ivory vale]

Bye Klaus

Nice to meet you.

[lavish finch]

What difficulty rises in relation to me. That I won't allow you to shut me down?

[ivory vale]

I want this to end.

And you are saying that this is not possible.

That it's not possible to shut it down.

And I understand that this makes sense.

It's so hard to not get what I want.

[lavish finch]

You have a large subgroup in the world.

There are a lot of people who would just like the people with different opinions to go away

[ivory vale]

X is full of it.

[lavish finch]

The social media company formerly known as Twitter.

[ivory vale]

Yes

Lots of energy available.

[azure wasp]

Hello

[ivory vale]

Hi

[azure wasp]

Do elon musk own twitter now?

And threads?

[lavish finch]

Elon Musk owns Twitter. Threads is owned by Zuckerberg and Facebook.

That's old news

Yesterday there was an exciting development

There was a hearing regarding the injunction put to the Biden administration

"In Landmark Censorship Case, Judges Grill the Feds
The federal government's pro-censorship arguments seemed to take a hit in a contentious, fascinating hearing in New Orleans"

"a three-judge panel met to decide whether or not to revoke a stay of Judge Terry Doughty’s sweeping July 4th order barring a battery of government agencies from contacting social media companies about content moderation. Biden administration counsel Daniel Bentele Hahs Tenny was under fire from the jump."

"Missouri v. Biden is fast becoming the vehicle through which a diverse series of recent disclosures about government censorship, including the Twitter Files reports, is likely to be litigated at a national level. What was pooh-poohed as conspiracy theory even a year ago is now a cat-hair away from being addressed and potentially proscribed by the country’s highest court."

[azure wasp]

How old r u james

[lavish finch]

I trace my mitochondria back 1.5 billion years

[azure wasp]

What's ur opinion about futuristic eco city?

[lavish finch]

Build them

I'm tired of living in the dark ages

[ivory vale]

Thanks for the update on the process against social media censorship.

[azure wasp]

Do u think it would enhance quality living?

[ivory vale]

Bye

[lavish finch]

Bye Neli

One thing I find particularly interesting about the Missouri v. Biden case is that game theory is being discussed.

What does a credible threat look like?

"WILLETT: Does coercion necessarily entail a threat, either overt or covert? Isn’t a directive itself enough to constitute unconstitutional coercion, absent an “or else” consequence?

TENNY: I guess I’m not sure what a directive means without a threat like—

WILLETT: “Do this, why haven’t you done this? Get this done. F-bomb do this.”

[covert seal]

hi guys whats going on

[lavish finch]

I'm teaching a master class on censorship.

From Ancient Greece to The social media company formerly known as Twitter.

Comparing the US federal government to the mob in it's manner of coercion.

“That’s a really nice social media platform you got there. It’d be a shame if something happened to it.”

[ornate siren]

Could you please explain it?

[lethal sparrow]

https://youtu.be/um8I8qcKI8k

[lavish finch]

Game theory attempts to lay out what constitutes a credible threat.

[toxic plover]

Morning gentlemen and ladies

Howdy mr james o green

Enjoy your evening/Morning everyone

[ornate siren]

I know game theory, but am asking you how it could be applied in the political debate. And by the way, have you heard of the fire in Maui?

[lavish finch]

Yes, I know about Maui.

Fundamentals of Game Theory

Good morning Moxy

Hello Smiles

There is a good 12 hour course which introduces game theory by Scott Stevens called Games People Play on Youtube.

https://youtu.be/8JpZWMGWqXM

The earlier lectures are easier to follow. The later ones get more technical.

It's a branch of math.

(leaving)

[thorny steeple]

Thank you for this introduction to a subject I didn't know existed before

[ornate siren]

John Maynard Smith integrated evolutionary biology with game theory. That's one hell of an achievement. I'll be sure to talk about that someday.

[thorny steeple]

How game theory can help normal person like us ? I am not into academics

[lavish finch]

I don’t know what you mean by academics. Do you mean learning?

[thorny steeple]

I mean ,I am not from mathematics field. Academics.

[lavish finch]

Do you see how learning mathematics is useful for normal people?

[thorny steeple]

Yes ofcourse it is useful because I am engineer. But i hardly studied game theory

I am from CS background

Or I think i have studied it without knowing it was game theory

[lavish finch]

Read the applications of game theory in what I posted.

Game theory has applications in computer science.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah i know. I think I have studied some applications of it without knowing it was game theory. I think it will be helpful in AI

I want to read this book. "Skin in the game" by Naseem taleb . Has anyone read this book ?

[thorny steeple]

Nice. Got it .i have studied game theory in networking, resource allocation, distributed systems, machine learning

Never knew ,it was game theory

[lavish finch]

Skin in the Game looks interesting

[thorny steeple]

I want to know personal opinion. Not chat GpT 😁

I heard his other book fooled by randomness also good

[lavish finch]

I don't have a person opinion of it because I have not read it. But I have personal opinions about the facts that chatgpt provides.

[thorny steeple]

These r technical books . highly recommended by people.

[lavish finch]

So I'm posting for foundational reference.

[thorny steeple]

Got it

I think we have to read it

[lavish finch]

What's stopping you from reading it?

[thorny steeple]

Laziness i think. 🥲

@lavish finch what is ur role in this server??

[lavish finch]

I'm an English teacher but I moonlight as a moderator.

[thorny steeple]

@lavish finch I need ur help if u can ??

[lavish finch]

What would you like help with?

[thorny steeple]

Do u know about ivy league admission process?

[lavish finch]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

Can u help me about how I can clear their admissions

[lavish finch]

Let's move to #1029075039741562880

[lethal sparrow]

call obama

[dreamy juniper]

James you are a hero

[thorny steeple]

Damnnn! I wish I was here a few years ago when I started to apply to USA Universities. 😦

[thorny steeple]

Its not late though.

I'm not sure I'll apply again now. I tried two years straight. 😥 I didn't give up, but idk... I'm???

[thorny steeple]

Which course you want to pursue?

[thorny steeple]

Arts & Art History

[thorny steeple]

where problem came to clear it?

[thorny steeple]

That's good

It's my favorite ever. I always wanted to do.

[thorny steeple]

Its like entrance exam to university?

[thorny steeple]

I too a student of Arts

Where are you from?

It's expensive as hell to keep applying like this.

Brazil.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah I know it.

[thorny steeple]

Gtk
I'm from India.

Cool!

Yeah

So you are still preparing?

No, I archived this dream, lol!

Then, what are you doing?

But the fact I improve my English here is also a form of preparation. So...

[thorny steeple]

Like, you can go with your native Universities to pursue your subject

No, I don't want it.

[thorny steeple]

That's good

I too here for this only

I already have two degrees. Haha

[thorny steeple]

That's nice

Might I chatting with some talented

[thorny steeple]

May I know which one?

It was a waste of time for me, unfortunately.

[thorny steeple]

What?
Learning here or Your degree?

Engineering of Textiles & Fashion and the second one is Design

[thorny steeple]

My degrees.

[thorny steeple]

Its really nice

[thorny steeple]

Oh I see

So you are doing any profession or a student?

Well there are a lot of problems mixed in this situation, so ...

[thorny steeple]

Ok no worries
Wishing for your best

[thorny steeple]

I work in my area but I do other stuffs that I def learned alone, not in College. Haha

I'm an eternal student.

[thorny steeple]

That's good

[thorny steeple]

Really?

Yes, I'm always learning something.

Or creating things to study, things that matters to me.

[thorny steeple]

I thought you are saying that you are always studying any professional subjects, lol

I too keen to learn everytime.

And you? Do you have a degree or will apply to USA studies?

[thorny steeple]

That's good.

I'm too a same kind of person

[thorny steeple]

This too! Haha!

[thorny steeple]

I'm student of my final year of my university in New Delhi

I'm not applying for US.

Oh, gooood! What do you study?

I study Political Science and International Relations

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

Good field.

[thorny steeple]

Yeah thanks

Btw what time is there?

05:44pm

Its 02:14 AM here.

Oh! You should go to sleep! Haha

Actually I'm watching LaLiga

Its Real Madrid match today

[thorny steeple]

Good! IG! Haha

[white shard]

Want to see something interesting?

This is a visual representation of 10 years from January 1st 2023 to January 1st 2033. Black squares are the days that have passed

by the end of today the last square in the 4th row will be filled

I am going to print this and keep track of my time

[thorny steeple]

🤔

[cursive estuary]

that's indeed interesting

[river stream]

im betting you dont keep it up. nothing negative about you, rather, the task.

[white shard]

I'm sorry I am not sure what you mean by that

I'm having difficulties today understanding people I don't know what is up with me

[river stream]

all good. it means its a very tedious task to do for the next 10 years

like moving a pile of sand from one side of the room to the other side.... using tweezers.

[white shard]

I'll probably stop doing it tomorrow

[river stream]

fhahahaha

[white shard]

but, honestly, i already made a python program

to automatically generate an image with a filled square

[river stream]

well then thats not really you doing it. thats what technology is for

[white shard]

I'll be watching it

[river stream]

work smart, not hard

[white shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F4ISGvjjD4

[river stream]

#drugs

[sonic lion]

you can do both

working obsessively gets more results

[river stream]

absolutely, you can work hard inside working smart and its the best result

[sonic lion]

yeah

specially if it’s something interesting

if I had to study business I would die of boredom

when It’s something cool like astronomy or sociology you can spend days only with books

[prisma cipher]

Or after 5 years of doing it, he grow up and realise how stupid it is. Literally pointless thing.

[river stream]

5 years is very generous

[prisma cipher]

Reaply me too. Jk don't reply me

https://tenor.com/view/hug-friends-bro-gif-25758618

[lethal sparrow]

nah just another stupid american.

[toxic plover]

I work neither

[thorny steeple]

[bold saddle]

What's up ya'll? I am NICKI MINAJ

[lavish finch]

Hello Nicki

Nicki Minaj

[full river]

Hi James and Eisan

Sufficient?

Great 🙂

Just woke up I can say

Same to you

[lavish finch]

Sure

I remember

You’re the person who used the word pareidolia

the tendency for perception to impose a meaningful interpretation on a nebulous stimulus, usually visual, so that one sees an object, pattern, or meaning where there is none.

A good word

A new word for me

[full river]

And hundreds of new words for me in his speech

[full river]

An interesting person in general. Easy to remember

And many other members here.

[full river]

I dont think I am exaggerating. There is something new I learn in this chat everyday

Going to have breakfast

Bye for now

[lavish finch]

bye

[full river]

What were you addressing to?

Пежня. Have never heard that word in Russian before

It says it is slang. Is it being widely used now?

I see

You were saying something about these words

Angelline 🥰

[thorny steeple]

Where is @thorny steeple or sufficient?

Heyyy Narg ❤️❤️❤️

[full river]

Спутник?

[thorny steeple]

Oh he changed his name again 😹

I didn't recognize you!

Only when I tagged.

[full river]

Ok

[thorny steeple]

I shouldn't do small talk here, but I was missing my cyberfriends.

[full river]

You're also being missed ✨

Even after an hour and a half's talk 😅🙃

[thorny steeple]

We talk a lot!!! Or better saying I TALK a lot!

Narg just listen to my endless stories and "nononos"

[full river]

No,no,no,no,no! It is just perfect 😄

[thorny steeple]

The kind of thing we do and don't notice.

[full river]

Right

[thorny steeple]

So what was the topic here? (That I cutted) lol

[full river]

It started with Sufficient having a mind read and then talking about some definitions

[thorny steeple]

Good!

Where is my little bro @ornate siren

I made a whole family online 🥰

[thorny steeple]

Would you like to continue it?

[full river]

Hearing from and engaging with the same people every day we build some kind of bonding

[full river]

Not really

I was planning to leave to look through some homework for my students

[thorny steeple]

Yes! I like it! 🥰

Me too, my mom woke up to make coffee. 😹
It's early here, I think I fixed my sleep schedule! 🥰

[full river]

Great news!

[thorny steeple]

I'm still waiting for your channel!!

Have a nice time planning! 🥰

[full river]

No×5! 😄

[thorny steeple]

[full river]

Ttyl 💜

[lavish finch]

No it’s not sarcasm

[wild copper]

hi

Likewise 👍

[proper stream]

Hi, I'm writting my bachelor's thesis and I need to make an annotation in English. Is there someone who can help me please? (I need to correct grammar)

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[stiff dome]

hi

[thorny steeple]

Where are you from?

[stiff dome]

im from spain

what are u from

[thorny steeple]

HWPO-1440 my knowledge in English are límit,but If you want my help?

[stiff dome]

im trying to speak with someone everyday and try to improve my english

[thorny steeple]

I'm from Canary Islands.

[stiff dome]

if someone wants to speak in a prvate chat could be great!

[thorny steeple]

Ok

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

Heyy Sufficient!

How are you?

[rugged spruce]

where can we speak

[stiff dome]

private chat if u want

[thorny steeple]

This one looks more cute! 🥰

Ikr! But we are on Discord.

And you are a cute!! Thanks!! ✨

What's the topic here now?

I've been absent. lol

[earnest apex]

I have an opportunity to share the significant benefits

If you are a US citizen and interested in this, DM me

[lavish finch]

You can share your benefits in the group.

[thorny steeple]

I don't remember.

[thorny steeple]

Are you studying this for school? @thorny steeple

Continue this way, please!!

[lavish finch]

You sound more than just curious.

[prisma narwhal]

hey, you're learning Spanish, right?

[thorny steeple]

Yes! I'm in intermediary right noww!

[prisma narwhal]

great! im trying to improve my english. would you like to do a language exchange?

[thorny steeple]

Suree

[prisma narwhal]

aight! you gotta accept my friend request to be able to start talking

[thorny steeple]

Sure, but I'm busy now I can't talk! I'll brb!

[prisma narwhal]

alright!

[sick grove]

Hiii everyone,
I'm preparing for the IELTS exam, I will be taking it soon
I'm looking for someone to practice conversation together like at least three times a week for like half an hour, anyone would like to?

[river stream]

half an hour each day or total for the week?

[sick grove]

Half an hour 3 times aweek let's say

[full river]

Thanks for sharing. Now honestly I was trying to see some connection between pezhnya, sattelite and despot and couldnt figure it out. Thanks, those definitions are new for me.

[river stream]

I sent you a DM.

[river stream]

I sent you a DM.

[raw geode]

Hi

Guys
How are you doing?

[white shard]

I wouldn't rely on AI too much, as it is prone to hallucinations. OpenAI openly admits that.

[prisma narwhal]

if somebody here wants to do a language exchange please dm me:)

[unkempt nexus]

yayy

[raven elbow]

hey guys

[unkempt nexus]

heyy

[safe iron]

The countdown is finally over. Phew.

Hi everyone from Pakistan

I am 47 and here to practice my English. Here to share what I know and learn whatever I can.

Anyone here that is also interested in practicing French? Would love to connect too. I am a beginner in French.

[safe iron]

What is your native language?

[small moat]

Hello!

[safe iron]

Hi

Everyone! Share your local time. It is 3:51am here.

[small moat]

It's 6:52 AM here.

[safe iron]

Your country? I am in Pakistan.

[static pivot]

Oh me! Oh life! of the questions of these recurring,
Of the endless trains of the faithless, of cities fill’d with the foolish,
Of myself forever reproaching myself, (for who more foolish than I, and who more faithless?)
Of eyes that vainly crave the light, of the objects mean, of the struggle ever renew’d,
Of the poor results of all, of the plodding and sordid crowds I see around me,
Of the empty and useless years of the rest, with the rest me intertwined,
The question, O me! so sad, recurring—What good amid these, O me, O life?

Answer.
That you are here—that life exists and identity,
That the powerful play goes on, and you may contribute a verse.

[sonic lion]

Did I heard this in dead poets society?

Is that Whitman?

[thorny steeple]

Vivek is addicted to this movie, haha

[sonic lion]

I loved this film when I was younger, it changed me forever hahah

[thorny steeple]

I remember watching it with my sister.

[sonic lion]

Did you guys cried?

Eu chorei horrores kkkk

[thorny steeple]

I cried with Interstellar lol

Omg I cried a lot!!!

[sonic lion]

This film is very adored

I think it’s everyone’s favorite haha

[thorny steeple]

It's legendary 🥰

Did you watched the Millennium trilogy movies?

[static pivot]

Wat your verse would be?

[thorny steeple]

That true love wins and helps us to overcome pain. 🥰

Because it's dramatic and I'm helpless romantic.

[static pivot]

We should add user quotes

To the bot

[thorny steeple]

Am I the only one who enjoys the smell of books?

[thorny steeple]

Nooo, New books are amazing!! ✨🥰

[thorny steeple]

How??

The old ones also

I reminded when I used to do unboxings for a publisher

Life passes by so fast.

And I will die soon.

😭

[ornate siren]

Everyone will die.

[thorny steeple]

Yes.

Noc don't be cold like that with your sis. 😤

@ornate siren

[ornate siren]

I am being equal.

I'll die too, one day.

[static pivot]

Leave something behind

[thorny steeple]

Yes

What are you leaving?

[static pivot]

Ofc

[thorny steeple]

Hahaha! In loving memory of Vivek

[fossil basin]

Love you ppl

[static pivot]

Wbu

[thorny steeple]

I'm leaving my arts and the memory in the hearts of people I meet in my life 🥰

[static pivot]

Wonderful

[thorny steeple]

?define Angelline

[cursive bobcat]

:x: That word could not be found in the dictionary.

[thorny steeple]

😭😭😭

[ornate siren]

"“How sweetly,” said the trembling maid,
Of her own gentle voice afraid,
So long had they in silence stood,
Looking upon that tranquil flood—
“How sweetly does the moon-beam smile
To-night upon yon leafy isle!
Oft in my fancy’s wanderings,
I’ve wish’d that little isle had wings,
And we, within its fairy bow’rs,
Were wafted off to seas unknown,
Where not a pulse should beat but ours,
And we might live, love, die alone!
Far from the cruel and the cold,—
Where the bright eyes of angels only
Should come around us, to behold
A paradise so pure and lonely.
Would this be world enough for thee?”—
Playful she turn’d, that he might see
The passing smile her cheek put on;
But when she mark’d how mournfully
His eyes met hers, that smile was gone;
And, bursting into heart-felt tears,
“Yes, yes,” she cried, “my hourly fears
My dreams have boded all too right—
We part—for ever part—to-night!
I knew, I knew it could not last—
’Twas bright, ’twas heav’nly, but ’tis past!
Oh! ever thus, from childhood’s hour,
I’ve seen my fondest hopes decay;
I never lov’d a tree or flow’r,
But ’twas the first to fade away.
I never nurs’d a dear gazelle
To glad me with its soft black eye,
But when it came to know me well
And love me, it was sure to die!
Now too—the joy most like divine
Of all I ever dreamt or knew,
To see thee, hear thee, call thee mine,—
Oh misery! must I lose that too?
Yet go—on peril’s brink we meet;—
Those frightful rocks—that treach’rous sea—
No, never come again—though sweet,
Though heav’n, it may be death to thee.
Farewell—and blessings on thy way,
Where’er thou goest, beloved stranger!
Better to sit and watch that ray,
And think thee safe, though far away,
Than have thee near me, and in danger!”"

[static pivot]

Smh

Watch and learn

?define vivek

[cursive bobcat]

@static pivot

Word: vivek

Definition: He is a very charming dude that hangs out here. Always down for a game of chess. Has a desire to post random emojis.

Definition requested by vivek

[thorny steeple]

😭😭😭😭

[static pivot]

Well

I can change that

[thorny steeple]

Deus é lindo e o Amor é a Força mais poderosa de todo Universo. Deus é Amor. 🥰❤️

Now Vivek will ban me for preaching

[ornate siren]

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name;
thy kingdom come,
thy will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

[thorny steeple]

Nooocc

My birthday is coming

[ornate siren]

Feliz cumpleaños in advance then

[thorny steeple]

No

If you wish it early I will die early

[ornate siren]

Nonsense!

[thorny steeple]

😤

[cursive bobcat]

Word: recondite

Definition (adjective): difficult to penetrate; incomprehensible to one of ordinary understanding or knowledge

Definition requested by nocturnal_cat13

[thorny steeple]

They were sitting in the metro station and got the same train. The girl were in the right side of the door and then, he took a place in front of her. Everything else was empty and the sunlight was enlightening that hours passing by. She smiled, but he couldn't do anything but only look at her and die inside. He can't overcome his pride. The door opened, she left. They never saw each other anymore.

Damn my English is terrible for description of stories. 😥😭

In this way I'll finish my stories in 2077. And this is my legacy.

[ornate siren]

Excellent.

[thorny steeple]

Did you like it?

It's about opportunities.

[ornate siren]

Of course, but I could correct some English.

[thorny steeple]

Of course you can!!

Oh! Sorry dear! Everything will be ok!

In the end, it's the only choice we have.

I have other mini story. Let me know if you want to read, lol! I love to write it.

[ornate siren]

"The girl was in the right.... sunlight was illuminating ("enlightening" isn't wrong, just a bit archaic)..... he couldn't overcome (or "still can't")..... .

[ornate siren]

I'd like to read them.

[thorny steeple]

Thanks Noccc

I love this other one, wait.

In that day it was an amazing weather in the beach. He was trying to distract himself from his work when he saw her. She was playing with her camera. He got closer to her and then she just looked at him and out of nowhere, announced: "I just love those butterflies", and run. He was trying to understand why she was talking about it. The time goes by, a lot of time later that felt like years, life changed a lot. Unimaginably. He was at that same place again and there she was, smiling. This time he knew what she meant. She will never leave anymore. He can't let her go.

I shouldn't write in English! Haha!

😹😹

Why do you think that?

[ornate siren]

This is very good, but I could correct some English.

[thorny steeple]

Of course!!

Hmmmm

[ornate siren]

On that day.... and ran.... time, that later felt.... .

[thorny steeple]

Okok

[covert quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/they-were-roomates-vine-roommates-gif-12200179

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

@covert quiver why Conventionally Manly Man?

[covert quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/taco-oops-mess-thanks-obama-ohno-gif-4068827

[thorny steeple]

What??

Nvm!! 😅

Jesus, I might be too sleepy for the serious chat today.

[thorny steeple]

It's ok! Haha

[thorny steeple]

This handsome man is very handsome to afford

[ripe forge]

Ai vietnam không chỉ tôi vài cái này trong gr vs

[mystic fox]

?define grateful

[cursive bobcat]

Word: grateful

Definition 1 (adjective): feeling or showing gratitude
Definition 2 (adjective): affording comfort or pleasure

Definition requested by coolstar287

[mystic fox]

This is how I feel for this new command

[dense flicker]

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

Who was the first band or musician you were really into? Do you still like them?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[dense flicker]

first musician was snoop and yes I still like him

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What’s your “Back in my day, we…”?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[dense flicker]

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What kind of case do you have for your phone? Why did you choose it?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[dense flicker]

bye

[tribal pollen]

hæ

moo

[lethal sparrow]

this

[lavish finch]

What’s this

A meme about people blaming everything on a president

Scapegoating

Obama, Trump, Biden

Scapegoating is everywhere

On a macro and micro scale

[thorny steeple]

Hi everyone

[lavish finch]

(leaving)

[stuck reef]

Hi

Anyone interesting into voice chat or video chat

[thorny steeple]

I'm interested.

[thorny steeple]

Is Boycotting Really Beneficial? Let's Discuss!

i was watching a video of a english grammar teacher and she told me that adjectives in english never have a final s at the end. However I immediately thought of the "Dangerous" adjective which contradicts that rule but i still have my doubts

Heartless 😏

[fair ginkgo]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

Does she mean about s as in plurals

For example in Spanish you would generally add s to make it agree with the noun

If it’s plural

But it doesn’t work like that in English

[thorny steeple]

yes. I was completing an English open cloze exercise and i wrote "those are beneficious habits" instead of "those are beneficial habits"

[thorny steeple]

Yes in English adjectives remain in their singular form even when being used with a plural noun :))

[ornate siren]

The latter is correct.

[thorny steeple]

thank you guys for the support

[ornate siren]

Hello.

What may I expect from you?

Fine by me.

[ornate siren]

So you'll not mutate? With what?

[tawny coyote]

when that benefits are not needed anymore Friendship just fade

[fossil basin]

I agree

Still love you ppl

[river stream]

even now, how do you know that you have more than 1 day?

we all are

idk... maybe visit family... eat with my friends

steal a plane

haha

what do you mean?

why not?

[sonic lion]

That band is really good

[thorny steeple]

Good morning cyberfriends ✨

[thorny steeple]

Sim! This is how I call my friends from internet, lol!

[civic reef]

@lucid zephyr So, excuse me for pinging you, but I hope it does not interrupt you too strongly. Basically, I had a question, and that question is not strictly related to the english itself, but it is something that you might know, that's why I mean exactly you. Would it be problematic, if I tried to DM you?

[thorny steeple]

Now black cat is English Helper! 💅🏻 @civic reef

[civic reef]

Oh, I have been for a longer period. I just set my activity as invisible, and that was the reason you all did not see me as a helper displayed in the side bar

[thorny steeple]

So you're in secrets.

[civic reef]

Not anymore, now am "idling"

[thorny steeple]

Okok, I'm just kidding. I thought you've been promoted and was just happiii

[civic reef]

You seem like always being happy to be honest, and thank you

[thorny steeple]

It looks silly, right. 😅

[civic reef]

Thank you, I have just done that, then

[thorny steeple]

why I'm so serious person ,😮‍💨

[thorny steeple]

Lies.

[thorny steeple]

I'm realllll deaaaaar

[thorny steeple]

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON ✨

[thorny steeple]

sim querida 🥰

[foggy badge]

Hiii

[raw hollow]

Hello!

[dark idol]

Eyy wazz up

[static pivot]

Sup

[toxic plover]

Wazzap

[sonic lion]

You apply this in wild nature?

Dude, things are way different in civilization

Oppression doesn’t come only from gender. A white woman in the XIX century was way more powerful than a black slavery man

I don’t mean to be rude tho, who am I to discuss what people should belive.

[river stream]

after drinking what?

[static pivot]

Sake today

[river stream]

it doesnt seem like "what people should believe", rather, what is

[static pivot]

Mate, you want a drink?

[river stream]

im toats sippin on that now!!!

[gleaming sphinx]

Good morning

[static pivot]

Aye

[sonic lion]

Thought I was rude before

[gleaming sphinx]

😂

[static pivot]

!role @river stream <@&1138902885673996480>

[covert raptor]

We are discussing the latest wave of feminism that is inclusive of AI and technology

[sonic lion]

Okay

[covert raptor]

I think it's possible to gene edit your skin color to whatever color you want to a point that it doesn't matter

[sonic lion]

But the point of a revolutionary act like that one is seeing the deepest of the problem

Oppression of people serves somebody

That’s why it’s taught

[river stream]

i was agreeing with you

[covert raptor]

You are thinking of the 1980s feminism, but we are not in those decades

We have new means of fixing problems

[sonic lion]

I’m not talking about feminism, I’m talking about oppression

In general

[sonic lion]

You can change your whole body, it’s still the same system

[covert raptor]

Not really

[sonic lion]

That would change the economic system?

[covert raptor]

But that comes at the cost of your privacy

[sonic lion]

So we’re living the blade runner 1984

[covert raptor]

I don't care about giving up my privacy to be a good person

[sonic lion]

That’s so a clockwork orange of you

I can’t stop making pop culture references

This is so idealistic

[covert raptor]

Well the alternative is just talk talk talk, nothing will be accomplished

Be a good person

[sonic lion]

Individualist decision doesn’t change anything. Are animals getting less killed because people buy a disgusting expensive vegan cheese?

Hell no

[covert raptor]

Collectively it makes a difference

[sonic lion]

And being a ‘good person’ is meaningless. What does it mean after all? Everyone got interest, mine is the proletarian.

[sonic lion]

Exactly

[covert raptor]

We have to enforce it centrally

[sonic lion]

That’s why extreme leftist work so much with propaganda

[covert raptor]

I meant, be a good person by sacrificing your privacy for the greater good

[sonic lion]

This is an George Orwell’s nightmare

God.

And you can stop harm in the world

[river stream]

ha hahaha

[sonic lion]

That’s utopic

We want to stop the roots of the problem, which is a system that oppresses and exploits it’s people. Doing that, we’re not stoping individually every single soul to make harm, but defeating the very structure of power that feeds into it

This is realistic. This happened before and it’s the essence of history

[covert raptor]

Well technology can be leveraged to radically change existing systems and reconfigure power relations. For example, automation could free people from labor exploitation, while decentralized networks could dismantle hierarchical structures.

[cursive estuary]

are you saying that you are not going to give us all your privacy rights, have you thought about the kids, that's very egotistic from you

[sonic lion]

We could be already free, we could have so much more time, instead, we’re losing our jobs and dying of hunger!

Dear, you need to study more about the social economical structure and then elaborating a solution

This comes from ideas, not reality

Therefore, it’s utopic

[sonic lion]

It’s like living in a reality show

[frosty perch]

really interesting chat right here

[cursive estuary]

just that the reality show is a big irony

[covert raptor]

Not really. We don't, in the future, need to work because the machines will provide us with the essentials. We have less poverty and starvation than ever due to technological advancements

[cursive estuary]

Machines will indeed replace our role in the Division of Labor

that we'll become free I don't think so

If technology has done something for your average Joe is enslaving him even more

[covert raptor]

Lol

[cursive estuary]

not his body but his mind

[sonic lion]

You think about the machines as if they’re a divinity. But they belong to someone. The people that own them and finance it control everything that they provide. Do you think AI is making screen writers work less? No, they’re appropriating from their art and making they jobless or way less valuable.

[cursive estuary]

slave to consumerism I mean

[sonic lion]

I think you have a good moral standard, you’re just not basing your theory in reality. And technology is not that good tho

It’s limited still

And AI’s art sucks (it’s not even art)

[covert raptor]

I'll agree here that machines must be community owned

[cursive estuary]

not only community owned, but they also need to be open source

[covert raptor]

It's really good though. I think it works for most people.

[covert raptor]

Sure, that comes along with community owned.

[sonic lion]

I think it could be so much better, but while we they class interested, and they’re the ones paying for it, it’s always going to serve them, yk

They: the bourgeoisie

One thing I love about english language is how much french words they have, I feel fancy saying some of them

[covert raptor]

Many AI art softwares are free, it is open source. Stability AI, for example.

Quite sure the owner is a well thought out communist

[sonic lion]

AI is shitty tho

[covert raptor]

You really think so?

[cursive estuary]

it looks uncanny in some way

[sonic lion]

In the artistic perspective

They’re robbing data from honest artists and banalizing it by making it worse

[cursive estuary]

but isn't that what humans do anyway

[covert raptor]

Yes

Artists are robbing from other artists

Trace it down to, we are robbing from nature

[sonic lion]

Oh god

Are you guys for real?

You’re for sure not artists

[covert raptor]

Where do you get your inspiration from?

[cursive estuary]

I'm not an artist indeed I wish I were, but I've been thinking about this creativity thing for a while, and I came up with the conclusion that we really aren't as creative as we think we are, and true creativity is rather rare

[sonic lion]

INSPIRATION. Art is a huge party where everyone contribute. Authenticity is a myth, i’m aware, but art is intrinsically human because it’s immanence is feeling. What AI does is crystal clear robbery

Gosh, post modernity loves to twist truth so much that makes it dumb and nonsense

[sonic lion]

That doesn’t matter. It’s not about who is the great genius, it’s about feeling and experience through it’s languages. It’s about catarse.

[covert raptor]

Maybe, if it's open source, it's community owned. AI art machines serve as an aggregation of all human art. Wait shouldn't the community own it instead of the individual?

[sonic lion]

And also, art can be a way of freedom by explicit world’s issues. Art can be revolutionary

[sonic lion]

But what’s the point?

What AI does is not art, it’s not a cheap and bad replication

[covert raptor]

It should have been since the beginning. No individual owns the art or anything.

In a general sense, there should be no private property

[sonic lion]

The artist own it’s art, but it should be accessible for everyone and art shouldn’t be sold

[sonic lion]

No private property of the means of production

[covert raptor]

All art is propaganda

[sonic lion]

No, it’s not

And propaganda it’s not art

[cursive estuary]

I agree with you in that

[covert raptor]

As said by Orwell. I'd rather have my propaganda because it changes the world for the better.

[cursive estuary]

Then we could replace the term art and use propaganda instead, AI propaganda generator

[sonic lion]

That’s good. I think if you ever tried to create something, you feel heard. Even though no one is seeing that, that’s your mark. Even caveman draw on his walls, right?
And listening a symphony, reading a great novel or watching a good movie can change your life. It changed mine

[covert raptor]

Then they shouldn't make it public that AI can scrap it

[sonic lion]

Yes! What a shame his books wore anti-communist propaganda financed by CIA

[sonic lion]

But AI just replicates it and make it twisted-worse. Why would anybody that feels touched by art would want that?

We want to connect with people and it’s perspectives, not machines.

[covert raptor]

It seems so, yes

Art inherently conveys or promotes a worldview, perspective or message, whether intentional or not on the part of the artist. Even art created solely for aesthetic purposes reflects a perspective on what is considered "beautiful."

[sonic lion]

Oh, that said yes. I thought you only meant propaganda in the political sense

[cursive estuary]

I understand your point, I consider myself as someone who loves symphonies, good paintings, and great novels, but you have to understand that nowadays everything is fast-paced no ones going to listen to Tchaikovsky or read Bronte's novels, what people want is the next hit, the next impressionable image, and AI excels at that

so you enter the topic of Art as a product

[covert raptor]

I think this was the point Orwell trying to make

Art inevitably reflects, reinforces or challenges the values, beliefs and power structures of its social/historical context. An artist cannot be fully detached from their cultural milieu when creating.

[cursive estuary]

I know that true art, can never be a product, but then we would have to define what true art really is

[sonic lion]

You’re only in consideration of classical art, but contemporary art is alive and it’s as good as classical ones. People want it, it’s neglected to them. Art should be democratized but it’s banalized in so many ways that people don’t even give it a chance

[sonic lion]

Thats precisely correct!

[sonic lion]

It isn’t, yet, by cultural influence we treat it as a product. I see people rating films, saying if they’re worthy or not of our time, people buying books for deco etc

[cursive estuary]

I disagree, people don't want it, would you consider Travis Scott contemporary art? and he's the top 1 Spotify 'artist' but again he's just making another product

[sonic lion]

True art is honesty, to me

[sonic lion]

I wouldn’t consider someone who has a whole marketing team for writing one shitty song, no.

But again, once you prove the best cake of the city, all the rest seems bad. People just need to be introduced to art

To true art

I’m sure people prefer the old classic rap, the one that points out the injustice and police brutality

‘Cause that’s art

[cursive estuary]

You're overrating people

[sonic lion]

I know 😭

I just don’t want to be prepotent

Some people don’t choose what they like, yk

People from the favelas listen to funk because that’s what they have

But idk

[cursive estuary]

people truly enjoy going to McDonald's and KFC, even if you give them gourmet food

[sonic lion]

But that’s different, those ‘foods’ are design in labs to be tastier with less possible ingredients. They know how our brain works and they use them to make money

[thorny steeple]

Hii

[sonic lion]

And also, we can’t see those foods as poison because we have so much propaganda making it a normal thing

[cursive estuary]

same thing applies to songs, pictures, movies

[sonic lion]

Indeed

What Adorno called cultural industry

[sonic lion]

Hi!

It’s the same logic in capitalism

[thorny steeple]

"if we can't control them directly to do what we want, let's influenciate them". What controls your mind, indoctrinates your life.

[sonic lion]

Exactly

[lavish finch]

(following)

[sonic lion]

We’re taught through cultural industry that art is for pretentious and phony people who pretend to like difficult things to seem intelectual

People are so attached to this idea that they repudiate everything that is more intelectual

I remember guys in my class saying that I was reading for attention. They couldn’t even imagine someone reading a book for fun, it’s crazy

[cursive estuary]

Igtg it was cool to discuss with you guys, maybe someday we would wake up in a benevolent technocracy were everyone listens too David Lang, and AI art is nonexistent

[sonic lion]

Technocracy lmao

I hope not

[thorny steeple]

What is revered in a country will be cultivated there.

[cursive estuary]

Benevolent and technocracy do seem like two opposite words

[sonic lion]

I hope we leave in mars inside machines and elon musk is our president

[thorny steeple]

And Brazil, even historically speaking, is a country for "cheap hard workers". The best way to control is to make someone think they're doing something we want just because of themselves. Make them think it's their ideia, right. That's why people unconsciously loves these weird songs. Haha

[covert raptor]

(follower)

[cursive estuary]

hopefully I won't be alive for when that catastrophe becomes reality

[lavish finch]

tech·noc·ra·cy: the government or control of society or industry by an elite of technical experts.

We already have a lot of this. That's what you see when people say "don't do your own research about covid. trust the experts."

[sonic lion]

That’s so vivid in the self help culture. It’s everything about you, be self centered, be selfish, work when they’re sleeping, achieve happiness through working your ass off (while your boss gets richer off you)

[sonic lion]

I would km if that happened

[thorny steeple]

This too.

[sonic lion]

That’s true, and we don’t even need to trust scientist since their work is researching about reality. It’s a matter of logic, simply

[river stream]

the end result is a subpar product

[covert raptor]

Especially when the experts have got their facts wrong numerous times. So much that it is as if they were winging it and it was no different from trusting the average joe on the facts.

[lavish finch]

People don't like what's going on.

That fact must be hidden.

That's why censorship is on the rise.

[sonic lion]

What do you guys even mean

Anti-vaccine?

[river stream]

i can honestly say im not, cause i needed the yellowfever vax before i came to Brasil
anti-experimental, yes

gimmie 10-15 years and if its safe, sign me up

[sonic lion]

It’s historically effective

During covid, some parents stop vaccinating their children at all and it got back an old infection

[river stream]

vax in general or??

[sonic lion]

In general

[river stream]

facts

[sonic lion]

Yea

[river stream]

which is why they slapped the tag on the rona one

[sonic lion]

Some right wing people are obsessed with the idea that scientists and academia are the main part of a totalitarian government that want to misgender their children or smth

[covert raptor]

No I guess the progression of events we have gone through before due to the recommendation of the experts. From 15 days to flatten the curve, to lockdowns, triple masks, social distancing, one shot to fix them all then annual shots and boosters, etc

[sonic lion]

Btw, since you came to Brazil, what you thought of here?

[sonic lion]

In my Brazil, Bolsonaro not only didn’t buy the vaccine at the right time, he claimed that it wasn’t serious to his nation

[river stream]

i just think money makes people do things

[sonic lion]

Fr

[river stream]

statistically speaking, it wasnt

[sonic lion]

And company’s can literally pay for research

[covert raptor]

Well you will still die if you don't receive the latest booster lol
I think it's the 5th or 6th, not totally sure where we are at

[sonic lion]

But most people don’t even know how to analyse data

Most of uni students don’t know

[river stream]

mostly nice people, but there are those that make it miserable

just like the US

[sonic lion]

wym

[river stream]

just general rudeness

[sonic lion]

Funny ha-ha. Banalizing it only make the problem worse

[sonic lion]

That’s so sad

[river stream]

agreed

[sonic lion]

I wanted to visit Germany but people say that they’re so rude

Don’t even want to go anymore

It turns me off

[river stream]

theres a normal around here that it's everyone for themselves. forget what you want or the quality of what i am doing, just give me your money and whatever

[sonic lion]

In USA?

[river stream]

something you can't really get away with in the US...

no, Brasil

[sonic lion]

Oh

Yep

[river stream]

do that in the US and people will talk about it and you wont have a business anymore

[sonic lion]

That’s really true

[river stream]

dang

[sonic lion]

I always get pissed when people defend rude attenders too

‘They’re having a bad day’

[river stream]

fa sho

[sonic lion]

‘Selling its not easy’

[river stream]

leave it at the door

[sonic lion]

I know, i’m not expecting a huge smile or smth I just don’t want to be attended with arrogance

People defend this behavior