🧠｜serious-chat

[thorny steeple]

Are you saying, then, that someone who's just born has knowledge on language?

[lavish finch]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

How so?

One cannot speak unless taught to

[junior dune]

Yeah, thats kinda wrong

Indeed

[lavish finch]

Ok, teach me about language.

[thorny steeple]

Whatever do you mean?

[lavish finch]

You just told me that I'm wrong. So teach me. Please.

I've got lots of questions.

[thorny steeple]

Please do not get irritated and let's go through your statement again

[lavish finch]

You think I'm irritated.

[thorny steeple]

You said there's innate knowledge, right?

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I get such an impression

[lavish finch]

I'm not irritated

Do you believe me?

[thorny steeple]

Alright

Belief is subjective

[lavish finch]

Do you subjectively believe me?

[thorny steeple]

It's not a matter of whether I believe you or not

[lavish finch]

I disagree

[thorny steeple]

What should it change?

[lavish finch]

Might change your map of me

since I gave you information about me

that differs from the map you were creating

[thorny steeple]

I don't choose to believe you or not, as it - seemingly to me - doesn't make much of a difference

Back to innate knowledge, if that's alright with you

What do you mean by innate?

Because I think of it as something that one knows from birth

[lavish finch]

I understand that your belief may not be a choice.

But it's still relevant.

Happy to move back to the topic of knowledge.

By innate I mean encoded in human dna.

[thorny steeple]

F. i., how to breathe, swallow, sneeze, and other unconditional reflexes. That I imagine as innate knowledge

[lavish finch]

Humans are the only species with the ability to acquire (not learn) language.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, that

[thorny steeple]

That language is encoded into our DNA, I'm really not sure of, but I believe (oh, beliefs again, meaningless) this statement to be false

[thorny steeple]

That, subsequently, I am wary of as well

[lavish finch]

Your beliefs are strong.

Are you curious about my beliefs? Or would you like to stick with yours right now?

[thorny steeple]

Sure, please share what you believe with me

[thorny steeple]

In what way?

[steep apex]

God Im so serious wbu guys

[junior dune]

Me too

I'm very serious person

[lavish finch]

(I love the peanut gallery)

[steep apex]

Are you dedicate person as well ?

[junior dune]

Well, yeah i am.

[steep apex]

Omg you are awesome

[junior dune]

You too homie

[lavish finch]

@thorny steeple let's move to #1029075039741562880 to continue without disruption.

[steep apex]

Are you wolf ?

[thorny steeple]

Very well

[junior dune]

Si.

[steep apex]

You are boz wolf aren't you?

[junior dune]

Boz? Um... Ye

[steep apex]

I mean like euuuuuuuuu eeuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[hot wyvern]

What is conditional sentence

[thorny steeple]

I can give you an example

If it rains tomorrow, I won't go running

If ..., ...

I should really practice conditional sentences more

[honest hound]

Hi , I am new.

[earnest monolith]

Hi

Mee to new

[honest hound]

Welcome!

So, what's up everybody

[graceful turret]

I can write some of my teacher's notes here if you would like that, It might be confusing a little, but you can look at the sentences that could help i guess?

[graceful turret]

Not much, what's up with you?

[honest hound]

Same

[hot wyvern]

Sure

[honest hound]

I guess you have an amazing teacher . Unfortunately, I am still stumbling to find a good English teacher for me.

[graceful turret]

oh, thanks she really is a great teacher. she works in the public school we are going. so I am kinda lucky 😅 I hope you'll find a one that help you anytime

[graceful turret]

is it okay to send in this chat

There are some ways to use it,
In class we learned about -- 4 If Clause Types

for Type 0
I mean it can be used for scientific facts, typical behaviour or imperative like:

• Serve the cookies if they turn golden brown.

• If you heat ice, it melts 😅

for Type 1
Real or probable situations in the Present or future.

• If you are still staying at home, I can come to you.

for Type 2
imaginary, unlikely or unreal situations in the present or future
I might consider moving abroad IF I could get a better job.
and we use If I were you kind of sentences here.

• If I were you, I wouldn't buy that second hand car.

for the last one
Type 3
Imaginary situations in the PAST or regret, criticise.

• If you had invited me to your party, I would certainly have come.

[graceful turret]

ta daa! I've write it down some of it

Hope it helps

[hot wyvern]

@graceful turret from which country

[graceful turret]

Turkey

[hot wyvern]

Gender

[graceful turret]

female

[hot wyvern]

Why do we use model verbs

[graceful turret]

I mean I could say that it helps to indicate consequences, possibilities. I guess..
for example i can say:

• If she had studied for the exam, she would've pass the class.
  It is showing the consequences if it was that way.

sorry for not being able to explain much more detailed about it, I am bad at explanations

[honest hound]

Need friends

[reef rampart]

,guys I'm a university student ,I want learn English with you. Do you like to help me?

[honest hound]

sure

[reef rampart]

thank you How should i start

[late tangle]

Try to introduce your hobbies firstly?

[ornate siren]

No

Later

[thorny steeple]

Hello Nocturnal_cat

I have a question for you

I think it's a question

😆

I just want to know how could I build a more profound vocabulary

Mainly for fun

and future essays

I would

[ornate siren]

And what is it?

[thorny steeple]

Ohh

[ornate siren]

Meta-question

[thorny steeple]

You gave me a reason to think about it thoroughly

[ornate siren]

What question?

[ornate siren]

Why the hell do you people keep ignoring me?!

[thorny steeple]

I asked the question

[thorny steeple]

This one

[ornate siren]

I'll DM you later

I'm out

[thorny steeple]

Well, what do death kisses feel like?

[ornate siren]

And Mr. Green

[thorny steeple]

No one ignores you

[full river]

The one ignored here seems to be this person. (Your name is a bit complicated 🙂)

[full river]

As you see everyone started replying to you immediately

[ornate siren]

He is my friend and I don't ignore him

He's fine

[full river]

It is the way Midjourney imagines

[full river]

That's good

[thorny steeple]

Oh, thank you for noticing! My name is written in German, so no wonder it's quite hard:Dd

[thorny steeple]

Looks cliche

I imagined something more artistic and expressed linguistically

[thorny steeple]

Why, thank you very much, good sir

[full river]

Would you like to give an artistic maybe somewhat poetic description yourself. I'd love to use it as a prompt for midjourney

Maybe it will get more creative then 🙂

[thorny steeple]

Oh, I surely would!

But could I send it a bit later as I cannot write it right now?

[full river]

Whenever you feel like 👍🏻

[thorny steeple]

Wonderful

[full river]

Guess the prompt 🙂

[dull violet]

amazing

[thorny steeple]

Mystical forest?

[thorny steeple]

Two world entwine, and time draws nigh. Lips brush the veil of life’s embrace, as bitter fingers grace a cheek. A final kiss to numb the pain. And I hush you farewell, for you won’t wait for me anymore.

let's say so

it's quite random, I'd say, but sure

[ornate siren]

Why, man, aren't you well-versed!

[ornate siren]

Never would have the replies to me arisen, if not for my breakout.

[ivory vale]

"Flüsternde Weiden" is German for "whispering willows".

[thorny steeple]

yes

[thorny steeple]

oh, it's nothing

[loud sonnet]

woah woah woah.
whats going on here

[full river]

Nope. Whispering willows 🙃

[rough helm]

hey guys, icant see any profile picture in any chat... do you know why?

[full river]

Good that you did then

[full river]

willow is a name of tree right? Or is there any other meaning as well

[white shard]

you might have the compact mode turned on

[full river]

The kiss of death so bitter and sweet,
To a misty mind commanding, “Obey!”
I’ll eagerly put down the armor and let
my soul fly and embrace the infinite stay.

[thorny steeple]

beautiful!

[thorny steeple]

perhaps one could use a metaphor with 'willow', but it is mainly used as a tree

a shrub as well, I hear

[thorny steeple]

that doesn't differ from what the other person said, does it?

[thorny steeple]

Neli, are you German?

[full river]

You mean Neli? No, it doesnt. Probably because translation is the same for everyone 🙂 I looked it up and used as a prompt for Midjourney. You saw the result above

[thorny steeple]

ohhh

that surely fits the aesthetic I imagined

should perhaps be a little darker, but that trivial

[ivory vale]

Yes

If I remember right you live in Latvia. Is there a German community in Latvia?

[thorny steeple]

oh, that's cool! I myself am learning German

[thorny steeple]

I do and it's pretty hard to answer - it depends on what you mean by community

German is taught in most schools as a second foreign language, but most pupils (from my experience) choose to learn Russian

[ivory vale]

Maybe something like Siebenbürgen in Romania?

[thorny steeple]

as for the Germans living there, I haven't encountered any yet

[ivory vale]

I see

[thorny steeple]

not really, no

more than half of Latvians are Russians by origin

is there a Latvian community in Germany?:Dd

[ivory vale]

We can usually choose between French or Latin (and sometimes Spanish or Italian) as a second language at school.

I'm not aware of one.

[thorny steeple]

oh, Latin as a choice, interesting!

I'd love to learn it one day

and you're a teacher, is that right?

[ivory vale]

It is supposed to be useful as basis for learning other romanian languages. And useful for medicine.

Yes, I am a teacher in this group.

And in one other English Online group.

[white shard]

do you also have to use chisels and marble plates to write in Latin class?

[ivory vale]

Lol

I never heard of that.

[thorny steeple]

yes, that is true. The nomenclature system of biology is based on Latin, after all

[ivory vale]

Yeah. I still don't feel enthusiastic about learning a language spoken by none.

[thorny steeple]

that's interesting, I thought you were a teacher of German:D

[ivory vale]

No, certainly not. German was one of my worst subjects at school.

[thorny steeple]

oh, but it helps reading ancient Roman times literature, as in Horace, Vergil, Livius, etc.

I, for one, would like to learn Latin just for the sole reason of being able to read such works

[thorny steeple]

I take it German is hard even for native speakers?

[ivory vale]

Sure. I never tried to read even translations of those.

[ivory vale]

I didn't find expressing myself in my language hard but rather the tasks assigned by teachers were sometimes difficult for me.

Writing poetry or essays

[thorny steeple]

well, I'm sure you'd find literal (straight from Latin) translations in German if the mood ever struck you to read them

[ivory vale]

And then the grading depends on the opinions and preferences of the teacher.

[thorny steeple]

the problem with being Latvian is that most of those works are translated from either Russian or German translations of it, as there aren't many people who speak Latin in my country due to it's relatively low population

[ivory vale]

Yeah that makes sense.

[thorny steeple]

well, that surely is understandable

poetry and every other literary subject is intricate in its own way

[thorny steeple]

that's fair

as you are German, I can't refrain myself from asking you - from your experience/in your opinion, how does the young generation feel about the not-so-great part of Germany's history?

should the question bother you in any way, you may not reply as well

[ivory vale]

Meaning those who have no memories of ww2?

[thorny steeple]

I am asking only out of curiosity

[thorny steeple]

yes

or, to be more exact, people born after the fall of the Berlin wall

[ivory vale]

Oh

[thorny steeple]

because children of people who do have memories of it do tend to have similar or, let's say, passed down opinions on sth

[ivory vale]

1990s

[thorny steeple]

yeah

[ivory vale]

I'm 1980s

It's difficult to talk for a group of people

[thorny steeple]

well, it's an approximate timeline

you can speak for your age group

as I'm sure you were taught about such thing as well

[ivory vale]

Yeah

Speaking for myself, having seen the concentration camps and hearing about society giving up part of their community to torture and murder is pretty horrible.

[thorny steeple]

fair

[ivory vale]

I always wondered about things that are happening now which are atrocious and to which people today are not standing up to.

[thorny steeple]

most of them do not concern the West, that's why, I believe

[ivory vale]

It's conveniently detached

Both in space and time

[thorny steeple]

there was a ghastly civil war relatively recently persisting in Tigray, yet very few to none people knew about it and had concerns about it

it's estimated that more than 400 000 people have died and there were 120 000 victims of rape

however, this conflict doesn't perturb and is of little importance in the western countries, so it's no wonder main media platforms weren't spreading the news about it

[ivory vale]

I'm most curious about how what I am choosing to do has an effect on other human's livelihood.

[thorny steeple]

well, at least you are/try to be aware of that

most people don't bother themselves with such thoughts

[ivory vale]

I don't think I am aware of much.

[thorny steeple]

you could start by learning where your clothes are coming from

[ivory vale]

Doesn't matter much as long as most people don't care

[thorny steeple]

because most of them are made in third world countries, where the development is very poor, the workers are often underpaid and massive poverty spreads throughout land in times of crop failure

[white shard]

and then what do you do? Walk naked in protest of child labor?

[ivory vale]

Buy used clothes

Or expensive eco socially responsible clothing

[white shard]

have you?

[thorny steeple]

becoming aware of such things and their importance brings you the possibility to enlighten others on such problems

and then, when such issues are brought to the light of day, solutions can be found and impact is much more likely to happen

[white shard]

If you're so sure then I might suggest MIT

[thorny steeple]

raise awareness to the society

[white shard]

How are you so sure?

[thorny steeple]

the first step is to become acquainted with the problem, otherwise a solution is very improbable to be obtained

is such a belief ample in Russia?

[white shard]

all right, tell me why should I worry about it?

[white shard]

russians pretty much believe every country but themselves is a failing society

[thorny steeple]

because, in this specific case, failing to help third world countries and the line between the rich and the poor becoming much more starker will lead them to fail

and the economy of most western countries will cease to exist, dare I say, as well

and it will definitely affect you too

that's for the practical part of it, if you're a person who doesn't care for the fate of others

[thorny steeple]

true

[ivory vale]

Would you say Russia's society is healthy?

[white shard]

specifically? You live in Russia, turn on the TV.

[thorny steeple]

define healthy firstly

[white shard]

I'd speculate the majority of people older than 35 believe the TV nonsense

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? My curiosity is killing me

Of course

I called it in my head

While I don't know you at all I think you might need a reality check for your overconfidence

[thorny steeple]

for many years, Russia has tried to bring down other countries that were/ are a threat to it by emphasising that Russia is the supreme country, and all other western countries (mostly America) are blundered

would you like an example?

which has proven to be quite relevant today

please do not be bothered. We are solely discussing

[white shard]

Well, for you that might be stupid. However, you fail to realize that the people in the age range I described are the majority

look at this graph:

it's mostly them that consume information from the TV screen

and they repeat the same thing they're told

I can't see how this is even arguable

[thorny steeple]

a lot of people do believe that the invasion of Ukraine is rightful and even a miracle for the Russians themselves

[white shard]

I personally know people who believe that Ukrainians were planning to launch a "dirty nuke" on Russia

[thorny steeple]

for they are "rescuing the martyrs Russians which are suffering from the discrimination of Ukrainians"

[thorny steeple]

that one I haven't heard of

[white shard]

have you heard of the bioweapons claims?

[thorny steeple]

I was watching some guy on the internet interview Russians on this specific matter and most of the people said something along the lines of

[white shard]

the Ukrainians used the opportunity to make jokes about how they are going to send an airborne unit of genetically modified worms to contaminate the soil near Moscow

[thorny steeple]

"no, no, it's not us, it's them who started the war"

[thorny steeple]

oh, that I did hear of

[ivory vale]

Same story different war.
Weapons of mass destruction.
Iraq.

[thorny steeple]

but I don't usually watch channels that promote war propaganda

[thorny steeple]

would you care to elaborate?

[ivory vale]

Well I remember the US justifying the war they had with Iraq because of the threat of weapons of mass destruction.

[white shard]

I mean, that's BS, but Iraq refused to extradite Osama Bin Laden

[thorny steeple]

there's this channel, current time, if you want to watch news in Russian

[thorny steeple]

well, I'm not really familiar with the invasion of Iraq, can't make comments on it

[ivory vale]

Seems like something people accept as a reason for letting their country go to war.

[thorny steeple]

but war advocacy/reasoning has existed for a very long period of time

[white shard]

I mean, just my opinion, but I believe that if your country refuses to arrest the guy who launched terrorist attacks on your citizens and basically protects him, that pretty much justifies the response

[ivory vale]

You find it a useful response to start a war with a country that shelters an individual who is trying to harm your country?

[white shard]

Honestly, I don't think I could've found a better response. What would be your way of dealing with it? Organize a coup? Just ignore the fact that it virtually is a call to war?

Do you think people also should've ignored Pearl Harbor? (I realize that it is not exactly the same, because the japanese used their actual military, however it was still a terrorist attack)

[ivory vale]

I haven't thought much about this yet.

Just know that I don't like participating in a war.

Time to leave for me.
Goodbye

[thorny steeple]

💬 Do you think we can choose who we love? ✨

[thorny steeple]

Interesting

[lyric nymph]

I feel this chat for chads lol

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[devout shale]

Nope

[white shard]

yes.

it depends on which love you mean by that - platonic or romantic

[devout shale]

I think there is no difference

[mild skiff]

heyy

[white shard]

but there is

platonic love encompasses everything - from love to your pet, friend or a family member to the person whom you'd call your partner

[thorny steeple]

This chat is literally love and war. 😹

[white shard]

romantic love is typified by presence of physical attraction

[devout shale]

I'm mean love is not a choice in both types of love, that's what I mean when I say there's no difference

[white shard]

oh

[devout shale]

For me

@thorny steeple what do you think

[white shard]

you're free to be alone

[thorny steeple]

I think it's a subconscious process. We love in others what we love in ourselves (or what we would love to but for some reason don't have) and the same about hate. Of course it's a generalization.

It's like being friends. How could you befriend someone without having nothing in common?

Any interests, anything?

I am talking about friendship, not social relationships (like a funcional relationship).

You don't need to have a reason to have a friendship for example. This is what I meant. LoL

[thorny steeple]

I agree! I think this is what differentiates.

[white shard]

you are very cynical

[thorny steeple]

Choose like choosing. "I'm going to love that x person" haha!

[thorny steeple]

I think he was talking about pointless to differentiate platonic from romantic love, right?! @thorny steeple

[devout shale]

I think the main "profit" from healthy relationships is mutual growth

[white shard]

lets see if you are full of shit:

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
cynical
adjective
1.
believing that people are motivated purely by self-interest; distrustful of human sincerity or integrity.
"he was brutally cynical and hardened to every sob story under the sun"

whoopsie, you are

[thorny steeple]

I think it's the chaos of Discord. 😹

[white shard]

I'll be ignoring you from now on, you are very unpleasant to talk to

[thorny steeple]

[devout shale]

What do you mean by reflection

[white shard]

good luck in your endeavors

[thorny steeple]

STOP FIGHTING

😭

! Ban @ everyone here to the no fighting club.

(Leaving as my topic has been ruined)

It's ok!! I think sometimes the way you phrase yourself sounds like this. I think it might not be intentional. ?!

[devout shale]

I think the answer to your topic was pretty obvious ngl 😛

[thorny steeple]

I was trying to keep a most lightly topic here for discussion tbh. 😹

I got it Suffi but look, the way you type it, it looks like "f it idc about what you're saying", you know? 😂

It's a subtle communication, I rather say.

[devout shale]

I see, I appreciated

[thorny steeple]

I think you might doing it unconsciously.
But not everyone tries to understand it. Idk!!

Nooooo, haha! You're not! We can see that you're smart, you just need to refine the way you express yourself. And please don't take it as criticism, I'm not one to be in this position. It's just a friendly hint for you to be better! 🥰

I think a discussion by writing has these issues in communication. A lot has been left aside through this.

[thorny steeple]

Thanks! Bring more topics toooo 😹

Hey come back here

[devout shale]

Your welcome, let me think 🤔

What do you think of AI art?

Can it be called art?

[thorny steeple]

Omg, that's a great topic! Yesterday I was trying to answer this question here in creativity. Let me get the image.

Do you think we are in another huge transformation like photography was for traditional painting back in time?

[devout shale]

Transformation for sure, but I think like every major advance in technology there will be good and bad uses, and I think people will realize we can't go back, and we should deal with it, like it or not.

Regarding art, I think the humans maybe will turn to different ways to express their art

After all art is not just images

[thorny steeple]

I think the embodiment will be the key!

Just like writers are facing the IA thing as well. What makes someone really good? The hability to create or replicate?

I think it's a good opportunity to stand out ourselves with authenticity. Nothing can replace that (at least for me).

[thorny steeple]

This too!!

[devout shale]

I recently read a book called "to be a machine" on the topic of transhumanism, very interesting

After all machines aren't bad or good, they are like knifes, they can be useful or dangerous depending on the person who uses it

But if it's there something I'm convinced about is that machines will never be able to attain consciousness, not in the true sense of the word

[thorny steeple]

I love this topic of transhumanism, as someone who loves sci-fi alot!! I personally think it's not possible too!! We human have something unique that can't be never taken from us. ✨

[thorny steeple]

Perfect point!!

[prisma narwhal]

does anybody here want to do a language exchange?

[sour marlin]

Is that possible?

[prisma narwhal]

Yep! Would you like to do a language exchange?

[sour marlin]

Yesss

But how?

[thorny steeple]

UwU

[devout shale]

What do you mean by that

[prisma narwhal]

like you teach me english and i teach you spanish.

[devout shale]

Oh i see

I'm not a native English speaker tho

[thorny steeple]

I thought they were talking about travel, LOL!

[prisma narwhal]

oh no hahaha

[pure hatch]

im very serious

[flat shale]

Mmmm me too

[wooden field]

but why ?

is there's any zoom channel for this discord group ?

[covert raptor]

We thought ai text and images weren't possible, but here we are today

[covert raptor]

What is consciousness. We don't fully know ourselves

[thorny steeple]

Do you think we would be able to replicate humans 100% accurately one day?

[covert raptor]

Why do we need to when AI can go way beyond human

[thorny steeple]

🤔

[prisma cipher]

Yes ai will never work like human. I mean never say never but I doubt it.

[thorny steeple]

I doubt that too!

[prisma cipher]

the main problem ai it will never have it's own will. it will be a thing that obeys human commands

[last geyser]

Hi

[prisma cipher]

A lot animals show more kinda human behavior than ai. nobody wondered why? just being very smart and having an it's own will are two different things.

[torpid stream]

What if they had consciousness like humans ?

[prisma cipher]

Who, animals?

[torpid stream]

AI

[prisma cipher]

No it's not

We can teach it make a movie or something, but still it's wont work on its own. without command

all the fantastic films made on this topic. are utter nonsense, they show robots that are aware of themselves and they become afraid to die. that's bullshit. this won't happen. the robot does not have a sense of fear, like any feelings. because these feelings are not related to the mind, they are in people and in animals. but robots don’t have them, and no matter how smart they become, they won’t be.

[ornate siren]

Besides electricity and their power supply is in our hands and we can turn them off whenever we want

[thorny steeple]

The current AI does not have a conscience or, quote, 'it's own will', however, artificial general intelligence, which is a hypothetical type of AI (not yet created), might as well even exceed humans in any (or a vast majority) of tasks they can accomplish and have their own will

[prisma cipher]

It doesn't matter

Smartness and consciousness are unrelated

both a stupid person and a smart person have consciousness.

Ai doesn't

No matter how smart it will be

[thorny steeple]

What do you mean? Scientists anticipate AGI to be designed in a few years, that to me sounds of a relevant matter

[thorny steeple]

Yet. As I have previously mentioned, AGI is a type of artificial intelligence which will have a conscience

[prisma cipher]

ai will never want anything beyond the order. because it's not alive. Feelings are functions of our body and not the mind.

[thorny steeple]

They absolutely are. When one is very 'smart', as you say, yet doesn't have a conscience, one does not have the 'mind' or, let us say, motivation to do anything it's - in this case - not ordered to; nonetheless, when one is smart, and does have a conscience, the problem arises, what will one, having its own will, do or strike to do

[prisma cipher]

Read about evolution

[thorny steeple]

I was never talking about feelings. Imagine it more like as a car run by AI, which can maintain chosen speed as per order. Current AI, when commanded to maintain a certain speed, will do so without 'wavering'. However, AGI might just press that speed pedal more...

[prisma cipher]

Yes command might be complex

Don't change anything

[thorny steeple]

How about you thoroughly explain it to me instead of spouting such an abstract term and telling me to research it?

[prisma cipher]

Like you give command to ai learn something new he will learn it and nothing beyond it

I won’t even be surprised if it’s will be impossible to distinguish a living person from ai

[thorny steeple]

Define 'alive'. What even is life? How can you argue that artificial intelligence one day cannot reach the point where our understanding of the difference between life and 'non-life' will fuse

[prisma cipher]

Alive, I mean feeling

[thorny steeple]

Define 'feeling', then

[thorny steeple]

current AI doesn't.

[thorny steeple]

current AI won't.

[prisma cipher]

What in your mind make you think something change in the future?

I can't imagine how it will happen

It will be smarter than any human but will not have feelings

[thorny steeple]

Oh, please. A myriad of scientists working on this specific field believe so

[thorny steeple]

Once again, I'm not talking about feelings. I'm talking about consciousness, which, naturally, will differ from consciousness we ourselves defined and have, nevertheless, still - a conscious mind

[royal stratus]

Has anyone watched Oppenheimer?

[thorny steeple]

I have

[royal stratus]

What did you think?

[thorny steeple]

How can you say never when you don't really know what will happen and, as I have got the feeling, are not really well informed on this topic?

[prisma cipher]

I dont

[prisma cipher]

If you don't understand why, than I can nothing to tell you. I mean I can repeat the same over and over.

Don't want to

[thorny steeple]

I believe Oppenheimer was a great movie, at least in comparison with Barbie (I could rant hours about the nonsense, imo, in that movie), probably lacking some strong historical and scientific undertones, but I deem it to be really great, tbh

[royal stratus]

Do you think the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified?

[thorny steeple]

Why should you repeat what you've been saying when I've proved you wrong several times? Additionally, one should expect to change their explanation tactics if one feels that the other person doesn't get one's point

[thorny steeple]

I'm really not the right person to ask, as I am (still) unfamiliar with all of the predispositions leading to this, as it was shown, inevitable event

What about you? Do you think that Americans should have bombed Japan?

[royal stratus]

I see.

[thorny steeple]

You're contradicting yourself there, buddy

[prisma cipher]

I will repeat to you again. Consciousness is in both stupid people and smart people. You don't have to be very smart to have consciousness.

Can you understand that?

But you waiting when ai will besmart enough to have it

[thorny steeple]

What would you do when a research team discovers AGI and sells it to, f. i., China and you won't really be able to sway their mood on how to utilise it?

[royal stratus]

It seems that at the time, the Japanese weren’t going to surrender, which is pretty bad, unless under complete subjugation. Therefore, if we weren’t going to use the bomb, there would need to be a full scale invasion of Japanese territory, where countless of lives on both sides would be lost. Ergo, one could argue that the bomb was a more pragmatic solutions, specially if you had family, friends and loved ones in the war effort.

[thorny steeple]

While that does apply to humans, to the AI, as per speculations, it yet doesn't

[prisma cipher]

It is already smarter than most of human

You don't understand how it works

[thorny steeple]

You're not waiting until AI is 'smart enough to have consciousness', you're waiting for someone to create it

[prisma cipher]

Most likely animals have consciousness.

It's not about brain or being smart

[thorny steeple]

You dare make such an assumption? I am, at least, familiar with the fundamental algorithms of AI, specifically, chat gpt

[prisma cipher]

Yes. Because we talk a while

[thorny steeple]

Are you aware of how chat gpt operates and generates responses?

[prisma cipher]

I never try chat gpt

[thorny steeple]

I believe your impudence to be quite great

[prisma cipher]

Not interested

[thorny steeple]

Why, exactly

And it is one of the best AI tools out there

[thorny steeple]

That's fair enough, you have your arguments

[thorny steeple]

Once again, what is consciousness?

Also, I've terribly misused the word conscience, mistaking it for a synonym of consciousness, please do disregard it, I have now learned the meaning of both

[prisma cipher]

this is when the thing is aware of itself in space. the simplest test is an experiment with a mirror

[thorny steeple]

@prisma cipher, would you like to continue this discussion any other time? I feel it is lacking strong arguments from not-to-be-mentioned side and I, indefinitely, am lacking time

[prisma cipher]

No

It's annoying as f

[thorny steeple]

That's how you resolve the problem of what consciousness is based on our understanding. What if it's more than that, a much wider spectre you're not yet familiar with?

I could give some examples, but I really need to go

[thorny steeple]

Is it because you're utterly and completely defeated?

[prisma cipher]

I can repeat 5 times. very stupid people have consciousness

Ai doesn't

Think about it

[thorny steeple]

What's your point?

[thorny steeple]

yet

[prisma cipher]

if it were possible, but it is not possible. artificial intelligence would have existed for 30 years

[thorny steeple]

I'm out, please do involve me whenever you're discussing AI

[thorny steeple]

Everything is possible

[prisma cipher]

@thorny steeple yes but I doubt about ai chances

[thorny steeple]

You can doubt all you want

[devout shale]

I think consciousness is the ability to comprehend you are a living being and reflect on your existence.

I also like to think about hindu teachings about how all there is is a one and only consciousness which is shared among all living beings, another interesting and somewhat related topic

[grizzled sparrow]

What was first the egg or the chicken

[thorny steeple]

ur mum

[devout shale]

I think AI will imitate life to a point we will not be able to distinguish it from real life, but the key point is the word 'imitate'. Ai will not be able to feel anything. It's just a process running on hardware. That's my opinion

[ornate siren]

Stop this, man 🤯

[ornate siren]

Well, I'm just one person.

[thorny steeple]

chicken, cause there is a protein present in egg that can only exist in chicken ovaries

[tough gull]

@thorny steeple i forgot to explain yesterday

So there's a thing in chemistry

Whenever something is not in accordance with a general rule, we call them an exception

Funnily, people think that Chemistry is all about exceptions( that is because in exams, many questions are asked just on the exceptions cuz why ask about the general trend lol)

[thorny steeple]

our teacher used to say "exceptions are always there" as a joke

[tough gull]

However many standard and good chemistry books and their writers beg to differ. They say that they are not exceptions

They say that these elements or whatever simply exist in the way they are... In the way they are supposed to be

Wait i wanna say more

But I'm in class

I haven't even come to the main point

[thorny steeple]

That was a rhetorical question:)

[thorny steeple]

It will probably not be able to feel, at least in the same fashion as we do

But to perceive such things as consciousness, feelings, awareness you need to have a starting point, which is very subjective

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I'd like to hear more, specifically about examples of such exceptions

I'm not really sure what you mean by that, but I meant to say that every perception is subjective

I didn't mean anything absolute, that's the point. One can't define what it's like to 'feel' or to 'be aware' objectively because it is subjective

That's what I said?

I'm not really sure why you're arguing with me

We mean the same thing

No?

I honestly don't know why you're disagreeing with me rn

By starting point I meant a subjective perception

You can't judge anything without it

What

Truthfully, I have not the slightest clue of what you're referring to

[random depot]

Hi guys

[thorny steeple]

The way one perceives (=understands, recognises) one's surroundings

It depends on the viewpoint

What is 'that'?

[ornate siren]

I don't understand "defanizing".

[lavish finch]

Hello

[spiral wave]

Hey

[lavish finch]

Hi Jowey

This is what I call pomo.

post modernism

the use of many complex multi syllable words to say nothing much

a kind of gibberish

[spiral wave]

What are you people talking about ? 🥴

[lavish finch]

If you want to know, read it

gibberish; unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.

[spiral wave]

New word added to my list 👍🏻

[lavish finch]

It's not strange at all that many people cannot understand gibberish.

With a sentence such as "From the point of view of banal erudition, every individual who critically motivates abstraction cannot ignore the criteria of utopian subjectivism, conceptually interpreting the generally accepted defanizing polarizers" there's really nothing to ask.

"a person who is able to think abstractly" can be simplied to "a person" since any person can think abstractly.

Pomo is word salad that is dressed up as if it says something complex and profound, but doesn't.

If you're going to speak that way, expect to be called to task for it.

There is no such thing as a "defanizing polarizer"

Postmodernism is a kind of intellectual cult.

Be wary of writing that is structured in a manner that is clearly meant to obfuscate meaning rather than clarify.

Use plain language.

No. Speaking plainly and clearly has nothing to do with being a child.

It's a matter of being intellectually honest vs posturing.

Just restate your ideas in plain words.

[thorny steeple]

Hey, what's the topic of the day?

Hii Suffi!

Ok, let's see then

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

What did you Google last?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[thorny steeple]

😓

?topic

[cursive bobcat]

Topic

Is it better to live where there are four seasons or where one season takes up most of the year?

The English Hub - Source: yagpdb topic command + other sources

[thorny steeple]

Four seasons.

I wish there were something like this for serious-chats.

[glass finch]

people are like to live a colorful life

[thorny steeple]

Don't worry!! Have a nice dayy ✨

[thorny steeple]

Hii, what do you mean?

[ornate siren]

Affectation is the word you used for me, I think.

[glass finch]

hi. i mean that people are always like to live a colorful life, so i agreed with you that four seasons are better than one season

[lavish finch]

You've improved

You no longer use that affectation

And you say that I ignore you...

[ornate siren]

You have for some days

[lavish finch]

How have I ignored you?

[thorny steeple]

I think in this too! I like the color of flowers in spring and the warm sun in summer ... The cold in winter and that fall of 🍂 in autumn!!

[thorny steeple]

How can you don't be affected too much when someone is heavily rude with you without reasons? Even understanding, sometimes is hard. 🤔

[lavish finch]

There's always a reason.

But the reason is not what matters.

It helps to see the bigger picture.

When someone is rude, it says more about them and their experience than it does about us.

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I got this part. But how can you not react?

[lavish finch]

Freedom is the space between trigger and response.

I create space for myself.

[thorny steeple]

Good ideia!

[ornate siren]

Thanks, but I don't think so.

[lavish finch]

Ok

Use any affectation you like

I think it's a bad idea. But don't take my word for it. Make up your own mind.

[ornate siren]

I will not, it's a bad idea

[lavish finch]

Did you not answer my question on purpose, Nocturnal?

How have I ignored you?

We've had a number of conversations recently

and I may not have responded to every tag or question or comment you put to me

I don't consider that to be the same as ignoring

If something is dropped, I'd like you to find a way to raise it again

(leaving)

[slim fjord]

[thorny steeple]

What happened?

Suffi you're so crazy!!!

I don't hate you! I am here talking with youu! ✨

Can you ignore them? Is it possible?

[devout shale]

Why you think so

[devout shale]

What do you mean by "designed"

Anyway, if you don't feel comfortable with the ppl around you, you should try to know new ppl.

Maybe it's hard but worth it

[thorny steeple]

Don't you have anyone in your real world that you can trust??

[devout shale]

@thorny steeple how old are you

Your still very young, your feelings albeit deep may be only temporary

[thorny steeple]

I am too. And I've been like this since my teenager years. Maybe that's why I understand you. 😹

[devout shale]

Life's always changing

[thorny steeple]

Definitely!

I like to be alone, is so peaceful.

[earnest monolith]

No

[devout shale]

Yea it can be sometimes, but different people have different feelings about solitude

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I know. It's fine too.

[earnest monolith]

You can add me as a friend

🙂

[devout shale]

Like you know, the difference between extroverted and introverted is based on how do you recharge your "batteries", with people or without

[earnest monolith]

Every person go through these situations in their life especially in teen age.

[devout shale]

And both ways are completely fine

[thorny steeple]

Yes, both ways are fine. I like balance. 🥰

This is what cyberfriends are forr 🥰✨

My friendships are usually few and looooooooong time like years and years. But I know I can really trust and count with them and they with me too!

I prefer this way.

[zealous lagoon]

Who has read reverend insanity

[earnest monolith]

Bro, concentrate your study.
Fix a career goal .and work for it.
And try to make new good friends, talk to them and Keep interacting

[thorny steeple]

I think this is a risk for everyone. Haha!
It's hard to find trustworthy people.

It's good to know if we are trustworthy ourselves as well.

Well, I'll take my early nap. (Leaving).

[devout shale]

See you

[earnest monolith]

It's a normal thing , may be they change their priorities.
Don't stuck with memories. Try to find new friends. And try to create new memories

❤️

[devout shale]

They didn't deserve you

[thorny steeple]

I think it's also important to distinguish between friends and acquaintances. Real friends are actually very rare, if it exists at all.

[ornate siren]

That's alright, I allow that you have accidentally missed noticing many of my comments. I was just hinting at(lately) inactivity in the serious-chat. Let's forget this altercation and get back to debate, discussion, and dialectic again?

[thorny steeple]

This is definitely the destiny no one can escape.

With how many friends you'll have, you'll still die alone.

[devout shale]

Who said death is the end

Maybe it's the start

[thorny steeple]

I like your optimism

[thorny steeple]

no its true because after death there will be another world we'll be livin in

this earth is just temporary

[thorny steeple]

Even then, can you still make amends in the next world, or is your final destination are decided in this temporary world?

[white shard]

I think after you die your soul goes to the nearest McDonalds and haunts it until the business stops existing

[thorny steeple]

you can't make amends in the next world, and final destination is NOT in this temporary world

[white shard]

In all seriousness, what do you think about the idea of reincarnation? Not another world, but rather another being?

[thorny steeple]

well im not really sure for incarnation

[white shard]

I find the idea beautiful

[thorny steeple]

You seem to be unwavering in your belief. You'll be just fine.

[thorny steeple]

nahh,,, die in peace 🙂

[thorny steeple]

So Buddhism?

[thorny steeple]

thats what i read 🙂

[white shard]

I guess, but not exclusively

evil is a very vague word

[thorny steeple]

absolutely

[devout shale]

Hindu teachings say that we are one entity who chose to split itself in uncountable entities limiting itself and experiencing this world. It has done that because being infinite is exhausting in the long run, and when we die we will return to this infinite state and can choose to reincarnate again to experience life once again. If that makes sense

[thorny steeple]

It's an interesting thought. What do you personally want to be in the next life?

[thorny steeple]

So you are me, and I am you? 🤔

[white shard]

I don't know. If I were to distill my desires, it'd be living a stereotypical life of a patriot in any country.

[thorny steeple]

Life filled with purpose is always worth it.

[devout shale]

In a sense, yes, if you believe it

[white shard]

Well, you might have a purpose, but if you don't try to do anything to achieve it, it's worthless

[thorny steeple]

I didn't believe it, but it's interesting.

[white shard]

I have no idea what you are saying

both messages you've sent so far make no sense to me

And you're not even trying to make yourself more clear

[lavish finch]

Here

Hey

[white shard]

"It won't happen. You will always feel." So much detail.
"By "doing evil" I mean the omissions that are accumulated in the course of life." Very clear, sure.
That's why people move away from you. Your way of communication is condescending

[thorny steeple]

Hello Mr. Green

[lavish finch]

What do you think?

(I’m reading but I can’t reply at the moment, sorry.)

[white shard]

are you even talking to me? That's not at all what I am saying

you're just putting words in my mouth

I am taking a walk right now, so I cant chat much

the first sentence you wrote is wrong

should i really address anything else?

[lavish finch]

I have a suggestion

[plucky kernel]

hi everyone, I have a question. What are the common tenses used in conversation?

[white shard]

look, I'm outside

[lavish finch]

Nice

[lavish finch]

#📚｜english-questions

My suggestion is that you try talking to the whole group, not just to each other individually.

[white shard]

im curious, why put quotation marks if you dont put what i said verbatim?

[lavish finch]

Right now you’re talking past each other.

You’re both misunderstanding each other.

You’re both pushing each other.

[white shard]

and you're the one that understands us both?

[lavish finch]

check where that question is coming from.

You’re absolutely pushing on each other

[white shard]

I found a log

I can sit and chat

what exactly is that you are trying to get from me?

[lavish finch]

Bad start

Instead of pushing on him again I suggest you figure out what it is that you’d like to try to get here.

[white shard]

I want myself not to be misrepresented

[lavish finch]

OK then I’d like you to think about what you’re doing that’s making it possible for you to get misrepresented.

Hello Karton

[white shard]

no idea, the sentence I wrote is perfectly fine. It is simple and concise. "Well, you might have a purpose, but if you don't try to do anything to achieve it, it's worthless"

somehow it got turned into trying everything to achieve a goal (purpose)

I also dont understand what target he is referring to

what responsibility? I am sure it is common sense that if you are not putting any effort to try and achieve your goals, the goal is worthless to you

[lavish finch]

John, you're taking being misunderstood just personally.

What you said is quite easy to understand for me.

But maybe not for everyone.

[white shard]

being misunderstood and claiming that I said something else is completely different

[lavish finch]

Then you're taking being misrepresented just personally too.

[white shard]

I think that sufficient is smart, so I assumed that it was purposefully done.

[lavish finch]

It's not about sufficient. That's what you don't see.

[white shard]

lets get back to what they wrote

" This is not a criticism

Saying "we have a goal, and we must do everything to achieve it" You do not take responsibility for these words, right? In that case, what do you mean by "target" It can be anything? We do not exclude the possibility of a negative impact on her "

[lavish finch]

Sufficient, I'd like you to step back for now.

Just follow along silently.

The two of you are in a role lock.

You're both talking at the same time, often.

And not listening to the other.

Stop

[white shard]

you're not really helping

you're just commenting about how we dont understand each other

[lavish finch]

You can focus your attacks on me, but that may create a bigger problem for you.

[white shard]

suddenly I am attacking you

you just keep saying the same thing

and dont try to clear our misunderstanding

[lavish finch]

If you're not going to follow my lead, and you want to continue talking past each other, then I'm wasting my time here.

If you'd like to talk with me, I'd be happy to do so in #1029075039741562880

Goodbye

[white shard]

There was no valuable insight ftom him either way. I wanted to hear his explanation of what we might be missing

[thorny steeple]

Tomorrow's problem is my tomorrow's self responsibility.

[white shard]

I think you are responsible for what you say, but not always responsible for what what other people do. The fact that the purpose should be positive (bringing no harm to others) is common sense

[humble pewter]

At dawn, when you have trouble getting out of bed, tell yourself: "I have to go to work — as a human being. What do I have to complain of, if I’m going to do what I was born for — the things I was brought into the world to do? Or is this what I was created for? To huddle under the blankets and stay warm" - Marcus Aurelius

[devout shale]

what is life without a little drama

[ornate siren]

Touche! He was as good a Roman Emperor as he was a Stoic.

[humble pewter]

yep, the resurgence of stoic ideas is great, his works are once again being brought into the spotlight. Being a stoic was essential for him to become a great leader

but tbh it is hard for me to follow the stoic principles

of course I apply some of them into my life but becoming a full on stoic demands from one to sacrifice one's current way of living

and I'm not really ready for that yet

well according to the stoic principles, you should behave virtuously and one should strive to perfect the art of self-control, that means judging which things are worth doing and which are not and behaving accordingly to your judgement. If you know you have something to do. How would you jugde the matter? I think that the answer is rather obvious.

[humble pewter]

yeah and this quote poses the "why should I?"

but you have taken up responsibility to perform a certain task, therefore you are now responsible to do it

what didn't you designate

I gave a quote, that refers to procrastination. If you have nothing to procrastinate then you can do your thing and lay in bed

[thorny steeple]

Of course there could be one

[thorny steeple]

There could be a massive black hole in the middle of a young galaxy

I am aware of that

I believe (super)massive black holes can cause the evolution of galaxies, as they, seemingly, are undoubtedly very heavy and bend the spacetime continuum, which, subsequently, causes matter, gas, stars to 'fall into it'?

[devout shale]

"Black holes and revelations"

Space-time is relative

What if the universe is an organism

Yep

Well we still know very little about our universe, so we can't be sure about many things

[ornate siren]

There's the Gaia hypothesis for a start

[devout shale]

What is that about

[random depot]

Wow, guys. Great topic to discuss

[ornate siren]

Search it

[random depot]

How are you ?

[ornate siren]

So-so

And you?

[devout shale]

Like what

Go ahead

[ornate siren]

Everyone has. Even me.

[devout shale]

That's interesting

I read on a recent article that some scientist proposed the idea of dark energy as an error in our calculations, like the universe is not really expanding, but appears so

[lavish finch]

I’m sure we all do

[random depot]

Me too)

Have a day off 2day

And I am still in the university )

I am here every day from morning till night

[devout shale]

It's just a theory

[lavish finch]

A common myth about Newton is that he exorcised the ghost in the machine. In fact he exorcised the machine. He left the ghost.

[devout shale]

But is based on some observations

[random depot]

How guys do you think ? How much time the ecology will stay safe? For example, in my country, Ukraine, it is about 40 °C . It is unormal

[lavish finch]

How about you answer your own question first

How do you feel about Russians, sufficient?

[random depot]

Strange question. Of course, negatively. All the nation supports the war. And it is not a secret that Russia is a terrorist state which interferes to another states

You are wrong. It is your opinion, but you can't strong believe in it cause you didn't see the full picture of the situation and you don't live in this ambience

Nope, I am not interested it their childs

[lavish finch]

You’ve created another role lock sufficient.

[random depot]

I will tell

[lavish finch]

Good

[random depot]

Great. It seems that you also support the war

I will look at you when they come to you and your family and you will run over the world

[lavish finch]

We create role locks to manage frustration. They have nothing to do with the content of our conversations.

[random depot]

Man, you said that Russians are normal people as we all. So you equaled them to us. And I am extremely against this statement

[lavish finch]

You set yourself up for that misattribution.

Hi M

[random depot]

Hi

[lavish finch]

I am also Ukrainian

[random depot]

I see)

[lavish finch]

my family is from Zhitomir

[random depot]

Nice, it is near me

[lavish finch]

oh!

[random depot]

I am from Kiev

[lavish finch]

Aha

I was born in the US

So I don’t speak Ukrainian

[random depot]

US is a great country. It is my dream to visit it

[lavish finch]

My grandparents came here in the 1950s after the war.

[random depot]

I see

[lavish finch]

I visited Ukraine once

And I am still in contact with my relatives there

[random depot]

Which city did you visit ?

[lavish finch]

I also teach English to Ukrainian refugees in New York

[random depot]

Respect

[lavish finch]

I visted Kiev and Zhitomir

[random depot]

Not that emoji 😁

Well

How about to go to private messages ?

[runic blade]

Y

[lavish finch]

I have two second cousins who are in their early 20s, men.

[lavish finch]

You can send me private messages if you like. But I prefer to talk in the group as a teacher.

[random depot]

Wow. And they are in Ukraine ?

[lavish finch]

Oh yes

[random depot]

Ok, no problem

@runic blade typical russian, you are recognized even in the internet

[runic blade]

I'm not russia

[lavish finch]

I host debate club in the group occasionally. And for a while I have wanted to hold a debate club on the topic of the Ukraine Russia war.

[random depot]

Wow, sounds interesting

I will join if you don't mind

[lavish finch]

I have been following the politics there for a long time. For the last 10 years at least

[random depot]

👍👍👍

[lavish finch]

And talking with my relatives about it

[random depot]

I see

[lavish finch]

It’s all very tragic

[random depot]

So do you arrange any voice channels clubs ?

[lavish finch]

yes

At least once a week if not more

[random depot]

Surely. It is not admitted in the 21 century to give the world such problems and make such risks

[lavish finch]

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[random depot]

What's it ?

[lavish finch]

I am having a technical problem posting the link to my event for some reason. But if you look in the events channel you’ll see my classes.

[random depot]

Oks, I will find it

[lavish finch]

You’re new to this group

And so are you Vladimir

welcome to both of you

[full river]

I love this server. Interesting conversations going on in the serious chat with James. Writer and @frail wolf talking in the Class stage room, @forest raptor helping with pronunciation in another voice room. So many helpful and interesting people. Sadly, I'm busy and not able to join any of them. Just wanted to share my appreciation 🤍

[frail wolf]

i am more than happy nargiz, same here as well

[lavish finch]

I am eager to discuss the indictment of Trump in the United States.

Anyone else?

[thorny steeple]

I'd love to, but I am tragically uninformed of this matter

[random depot]

I am here again

[random depot]

I don't want to talk to you. You are not interesting for me.

You talk shit. To start with, where are you from ?

And yes, I am against all russians. Because all the nation support regular dies of civilians and militaries in my country

It matters

All

Not in this case

About 80% of the country support the war

Clever and free people leave the country, others stay there and support the damage of the independent state

[cerulean sentinel]

Are you guys literally gonna argue about being from country that started, on the whole, a war? Like I think there are many different topics you can allude to instead.

[random depot]

It is a fact

[cerulean sentinel]

Stop lol

Nobody really cares about your opinion, just let them live, stop arguing or start doing it privately since not all the members want to listen up to it

[random depot]

Some people support us, some not. I understand that some make mistakes. I am a militarian, so you waste your time while arguing with me. If you like Russia so go there and look how people live there and what zombies they are

[cerulean sentinel]

I'm good thanks, if you want to conversate then #💭｜general, this chat is used for more serious conversations.

[random depot]

Lol

You started this topic

[cerulean sentinel]

For instance I'd love to go to Moscow one day because it's a country full of history, nobody says whether they like Russia or not, I think it's someone's private thing that shouldn't be discussed in here.

[cerulean sentinel]

Especially during this war thing, thanks.

[random depot]

Hhahahaha

Lol

[cerulean sentinel]

[full river]

Reading this chat and imagining possible debate on this topic. I'm clearly having negative prediction that there would be a lot of tension and conflicting sides. With members stereotyping, blaming, accusing one another and not open to differences.

It was sad to read the messages

[lavish finch]

It was sad to read what messages?

[full river]

Sad to witness the tension between @random depot and @thorny steeple The tension caused by the war which is sad in general

Also surprised that Baka deleted his/her message

It was not my impression. I had a mind read you were sad and disappointed with the conversation

[lavish finch]

I see

That was much earlier in the conversation.

[devout shale]

Sooo what's the topic

Which one

I'm proposing a new topic

Or requesting

What do you propose

Do you think humans will ever become an interplanetary specie?

[vernal crypt]

I think it's possible, if we manage to save ourselves from our self-destructive tendencies.
We don't seem to have the ability of looking to the future much these days.
We also have a habit of not accepting responsibility for much.
But I do hope we get there.

[thorny steeple]

[devout shale]

@thorny steeple hey

[devout shale]

I agree

[thorny steeple]

Helloo ✨

[devout shale]

Maybe humans are just an accident and the real interplanetary specie should have been dinosaurs descendents if they would not have been wiped away lol

[devout shale]

What is up

[devout shale]

Dinos on mars

Can you imagine

[thorny steeple]

Hey

[thorny steeple]

Are you ok today? 😹

[thorny steeple]

Hii

Wassup

How are you

I am good and you?

Me too

Seems like you are from Brazil

I amm

How old are you

Nice to meet you

[devout shale]

Not completely sure lol

[thorny steeple]

Thanks 🥰

Shall we talk in pm?

[thorny steeple]

Remember to breath and drink water, ok! 😂😂

[thorny steeple]

About what? 😊😊

[devout shale]

I will 😛

[regal willow]

moooo

[thorny steeple]

Hii, I'm at work, sorry the delay! lol!

[lavish finch]

I’m looking at you Sandeep.

[thorny steeple]

😹

[eternal galleon]

I need help from a mod, I can't speak or hear anything while being in a vc

[tall bridge]

has 10 minute

[thorny steeple]

[vernal crypt]

T-rex's arms were to short to fly a space skip😂

[bold saddle]

HEY AMERICA WHAT'S POPPING MY NAME IS CARIDE B?

[thorny steeple]

Hello! Someone alive in the serious-chat?!

[dire comet]

Yes

Hru

[thorny steeple]

Hey everyone, of anyone here wants to practice English speaking, then he/she may dm me.

Here most of them are for time pass

[thorny steeple]

Yeah

[magic drift]

Have you tried checking your input/output settings ?

I can explain if you want :)

[thorny steeple]

Thanks!

Heyy Suffi

I believe we can predict some things.
However, there's always a choice.

But we're not only empirical data. 😹

But ok, I took it out of the context.

What you all were talking about?

No, it's ok! Tell me more.

If it's possible to predict the future.

I'm here.

I am thinking.

I believe in predictions, but I also believe we have the power to change.

[vernal crypt]

You stand by it?

[thorny steeple]

We're like on its way to it, right!

LOL! I loved Astrophysics in school. One of the subjects I used to have full grades. 🥰

I think I'm good with abstract thinking.

https://tenor.com/view/warp-hyperdrive-star-wars-ship-gif-17696524

It's ok, we don't need it yet.

[vernal crypt]

Yes.. the expression is

I stand by it.

To support something or an idea

[thorny steeple]

We need everyone into computer science now.

[vernal crypt]

We don't actually.
We need to try and fix the mess we've made of this planet.
We can do both, but in order to advance, we must care for our home as well

Exactly. That's unfortunately the human downfall
We want to advance, but are surrounded by devolution and people in power, which find it necessary to bully and fight rather than work together.

The idea that we still have borders is beyond me.

Leaders seem older and older
From long ago times and old ideas that make no sense now

I won't get too political.
I don't like stepping on toes

[thorny steeple]

Yes, I was thinking inside the subject of that conversation. About advancements in tech.

[vernal crypt]

Yeah
I was reading.
Advancements make sense as long as it's for the good.
Unfortunately it seems that every advancement we've made has gone to war

[thorny steeple]

You're right and that's sad.

[stable nacelle]

Hi. It seems very hard to understand. I hope you know that stuff as well

I hope it wasn't rude 😅 Tell me if I'm wrong

I don't have question. I just wanted to say it's kinda difficult for me. But maybe that's not. How long have you been learning this?

[thorny steeple]

@thorny steeple you could go deep and study Astrophysics!! I guess you would love it!

[static pivot]

Oh hey kid

[thorny steeple]

Vivek age reveal when

Let’s see who’s kid

[static pivot]

I shall remain mysterious

[thorny steeple]

celeb lowkey life

[slim fjord]

[thorny steeple]

I meant in like a degree or something like this.

💅🏻💅🏻💅🏻

[thorny steeple]

I read in the way that's appropriate for the context and mostly to myself. No one asked, I answered.

[devout shale]

I read fast on the internet, slow on books

way too fast on the internet, just skim entire paragraphs lol

[devout shale]

maybe they would have been evolved by now 😄

[vernal crypt]

Had they survived....

[royal storm]

does anyone want to speak to me in English?

write not speak

[devout shale]

thats what we do here

[royal storm]

thanks can you correct me if i make mistakes?

[devout shale]

sure, i am not native though

[royal storm]

thanks

in your opinion what are the best methods to learn English i try to practice very much listening and reading

[spring valve]

the best thing is to be constantly exposed to the language. watch english movies (with subtitles) ; talk in English with others ; switch your phone and computer languages to English, etc

it's the most efficient method

[royal storm]

i know it but there are many problems because i can't speak english to anyone

[devout shale]

i think it depends on your level, but i think writing and speaking are even more useful than listening and reading

[royal storm]

it's true but i believe in the start can be more useful to build a good knowledge of words and to build up a big vocabulary( idk if i write this sentence correct)

[devout shale]

i also need to improve on the speaking part

[devout shale]

true, i suggest you some spaced repetition software like anki

[thorny steeple]

Read books and highlight the words you didn't know. When you write via journaling/texting try to implement the words you just learnt.

[royal storm]

yes i used it but to research the words it's essential to use books and videos

[spring valve]

here is something you can do: whenever you watch a movie, read a book or play a game in your native language, you can read/watch/play it again in English. that will allow you to identify words you are familiar with

[devout shale]

also there is a chrome extension named ejoy that automatically provides subtitles with translations on youtube videos

[royal storm]

this could be very useful

but my main problem is one

when i learn or read something in english for too much time for instance 3h in a row i feel very tired

[devout shale]

also i suggest you to engage in some activity you find interesting, like dont just read in english but read something you like and really want to understand

[devout shale]

take it slowly and make pauses

[royal storm]

yes it's true i has been trying to do that but the videos i want to listen use too much abbreviation and slang

and i don't understand so much so i'm forced to learn with books

[devout shale]

you could watch documentaries on some topic that interests you

[royal storm]

another thing i hate is when i read or listen something in which i don't know very much words and for this reason i'm forced to stop every 2 seconds to understand the content

[devout shale]

the extension i suggested to you automatically pauses video when you hover with mouse on words and gives you meaning in your language

try it 🙂

[royal storm]

is this extension able to translate the entire sentence aswell?

[devout shale]

yep

[royal storm]

it's so good i must try it

[devout shale]

you also can save words for repetition

[royal storm]

maybe can be better than lingq

it was a pleasure talking with you i hope i can write with you another times in the future thanks a lot for the advice see you soon

[devout shale]

you're welcome 🙂

[royal storm]

hi

i'm fine now

yes

my main hobby is play football

maybe in that sentence is better my main hobby is playing football

can you confirm me?

idk if in the sentence my main hobby is play football it's better if i use playing in the place of play

so what about you?

????

i don't understand

[devout shale]

Playing is correct

[royal storm]

thanks

[thorny steeple]

I have a serious question for serious chat. How to be more unserious in life? Do you think being unserious is important? I promise that this is a serious question.

[royal storm]

lol

[thorny steeple]

It's not a joke 😒