🧠｜serious-chat

[brittle eagle]

Thanks

[ornate siren]

I was and am a connoisseur of knowledge, by the way.

[wheat ingot]

How y'all doing today

[thorny steeple]

I am just Angelline 🥰

[wheat ingot]

Hello how have you been

[thorny steeple]

When I stay in, seeing people on social media, I want to go out. But when I went out, I wished to stay in instead. Does anyone know the science behind that lol?

[finite tulip]

I don't think it's related to science.

[thorny steeple]

It might not be your usual textbook science, but science is in everything my man.

[finite tulip]

so, you can't focus on one thing, Your brain is easily attracted to other things.

[thorny steeple]

That's pretty accurate lol. Focus is hard.

[finite tulip]

I only can give you advice that is Relax, exercise appropriately, sleep regularly, and maintain sufficient sleep.

[thorny steeple]

Thanks man, appreciate the advice. I do have sleeping problems.

[vernal crypt]

Don't look at the big picture.
Spend thirty minutes on your studies/work.
Take a 5 minute break doing something you love (especially socialising with others)
Then back to it, repeat.
It 30 Min is too much
Try 15.

[alpine summit]

Doing exercise is a very useful meting.

It had changed my sleeping quality.

from 2am-11am to 12pm-8am

I do exercise like pull-up and push-up.

And it is helpful to you to focus on doing everything

trust me pls

[thorny steeple]

Good!

[ornate siren]

Now that's special

[thorny steeple]

I exercise everyday, but sometimes I still end up going past my bedtime. 😝

I think I should stay away from social media altogether

I always try to fix my schedule, but ... 😹

[last geyser]

Hi seious chat

[vagrant oyster]

Hi

[noble stone]

Good morning

Guys

Hopefully you doing well

[royal stratus]

Why would I fell guilt? I’m not Oppenheimer, nor the people who dropped the bomb.

[hot wyvern]

Are you the same person

[royal stratus]

As Oppie? No.

[hot wyvern]

From which country

[royal stratus]

Me? Brazil.

[hot wyvern]

Gender

[royal stratus]

Male.

[civic reef]

yes

[royal stratus]

Support.

[civic reef]

i mean as much as i love japanese culture and as much as am sure it was a tremendous loss, especially knowing how many innocent people lost their lives, and i do not wish anyone fate like this, but this is like a deep problem, because what was happening is japanese army was literally comitting war crimes, a lot of them, on civilans, i think i dont even need to mention who Comfort Women were

[civic reef]

in case i actually do, then these were sexual slaves controlled by japanese soldiers, usually korean women on korean peninsula (that time north and south korea were one single country), but also chinese women in Manchuria, sometimes even thai or pinay women

and it was only a tiny bit of the destruction that japanese made, these women were silenced and only recently some of them spoke out, "Spirit's homecoming" is a great movie about this if someone's interested

Like this is trying to douse a fire with another fire, very bad idea, but what else could have been done? If no one stopped these people then they would continue and even more women would lose their lives (they were killed if soldiers decided they are not attractive enough, if they developed veneral diseases, etc), and men the same, children too, that war machine would not stop by itself

[thorny steeple]

Can you recommend a book or some source for a beginner about Indian Mythology? It seems so interneting

[tough gull]

You could start off reading comic books

[thorny steeple]

Any recommended one?

[tough gull]

Amar Chitra Katha isn't bad. It's mostly correct

[thorny steeple]

Thanks 👍

[lone gulch]

Good Morning!

[ornate siren]

Morning

But it's evening around my place

[lone gulch]

Oooh dhuawhduashduaw Brazil here mate!

the birds are chanting 🙂

[ornate siren]

Fine.

[lone gulch]

Asian nocturnal?

where u from ?

[quasi scaffold]

hello

gymss

[lone gulch]

So you are english native? why are you on english classes group? dhusadhuawdh

[quasi scaffold]

i dont have friendS

[lone gulch]

Nooo Brazil is shittier than India, I can assure you dusadhuaw

[slim fjord]

Insulting your country by yourself

[lone gulch]

Ooo, I think there is an misconception about friendship in the tech era, you probably defining it by something that you parents and the capitalist society inputs in you

Look for more liquid relations, you are probably young, and this "stereotyped" relations are going to develop on you later ages, the youth sense of friendship changes too much on the lates 2000's

[ornate siren]

Well, it's simple. If you want to have 'em, make 'em.

[ornate siren]

Are you asking me, or not?

[ornate siren]

Cut out the gibberish at the end of most comments

[lone gulch]

Wish it's simple

[lone gulch]

Yep

[lone gulch]

Sorry mate it's like laughs in my region

[lone gulch]

or you are hindi native? Sorry I don't know how the language goes by on india

[tiny sedge]

halo

hey

it takes so long to chat

[lone gulch]

Hello dude!

Beginner's room seens more spicy

[tiny sedge]

i have best background

its a raccon

and a cat

[lone gulch]

Wow love then both

[tiny sedge]

i think

i love rabbit

[lone gulch]

I assume that rabbits and raccons can be friends 🙂

cats... unn not even with their's own hahaha

[ornate siren]

I am

[ornate siren]

For no one really is online right now, in the channel.

[lone gulch]

So there are many other languages by region?

[tiny sedge]

so

how is everyone

my laptop just turned off

[lone gulch]

it's fine and you?

A little headache but it's fine, ooo too much time on pc

excel sheets just get us mad hahahaha

At work too Mythic?

[ornate siren]

at least 620

[willow oracle]

How Should I call my boss in company ?

[young oriole]

Hello

[lone gulch]

Wow but it's like dialects? languages there are much less so?

[willow oracle]

He is billionaire and I'm a junior researcher

[ornate siren]

At least 1500 dialects

[vernal crypt]

Hi. How are you

[lone gulch]

I'm on the same bias

[young oriole]

I'm fine thanks for asking. I actually came across this server and decided to join it since I want to improve in my English vocabulary !

[lone gulch]

ooooo boy it's too muchhhh

[lone gulch]

wich segment mate?

[vernal crypt]

It's a pretty cool server mostly.
I think this channel is best for improving your skills
@ornate siren is Extremely versed in the English language
He can definitely help you!

[young oriole]

Ah I see

[willow oracle]

Finance

[vernal crypt]

Reading is another way to build vocabulary
Choose books based on their time period comparing that to the vocabulary you're most interested in

[lone gulch]

Wow like investment funds?

[willow oracle]

Unfortunately Yes

I'm working in the same room with the guy who has billions

[ornate siren]

@vernal crypt Hello again

[young oriole]

Hi !

[ornate siren]

Finally got my keyboard back

[lone gulch]

oooo boy..... so you are investing on wich segment?

[ornate siren]

Thanks very much, though I don't value it that much

[willow oracle]

Don't know yet but we are screening all NASDAQ and NYSE stocks

[young oriole]

Oh?

[ornate siren]

What's up?

[lone gulch]

But don't put your work and your efforts down, money is just money, foccus on personal things, treat him like an human not as a cash pillow

Everyone is a good person if you pressure the right buttons

[lone gulch]

I'm on the logistics sector, if you wanna put some money on us hahahha you are pretty welcome

[willow oracle]

our billionaire tech stock freak

[young oriole]

Nothing. Just wondering why you don't value your language skills. 😭

[lone gulch]

Oooo if you've some space on private equity shares, there is some good oportunities on agribusiness tech sector in brazil

[willow oracle]

It's hard when you are not confident with your english level

[lone gulch]

Soo how long you been there?

[willow oracle]

I'm starting next week

[lone gulch]

Yep it's my main problem with comm's too

Holy mother dude

[willow oracle]

I graduated from university last month and now working for a billionaire

[lone gulch]

You're economist or something like that?

financials?

[willow oracle]

I have a Business Administration major and 5 years experience in Forex, Crypto and stock trading

[lone gulch]

Wow shocking

So you are unconfident with....? hahaha

[ornate siren]

I value knowledge, waaay more.

[lone gulch]

Trust yourself dude

[willow oracle]

I'm unconfident about my communication skills

[lone gulch]

Research is more like.... diving into PDF's and excel sheets almost the time

[willow oracle]

Yeah but in the end I need to talk with my boss and do presentation etc

[lone gulch]

I see

I'm on the business intelligence sector here

And I've the same problem

[willow oracle]

oh

[lone gulch]

10 yrs experience on agribusiness logistics, but I'm too scary to start an presentation or an full english workday seems too harsh

[willow oracle]

[lone gulch]

When you've some good guidelines it's more solid to develop your work, but I know, research are too wide

You get lost too easy, and there is too much space in an meeting to go around with too many points

Shock therapy? Discord? hahahha

[willow oracle]

I'm trying

I need to fix my communication problem because once I do it will significantly expand my network.

[lone gulch]

Yeppp

I'm on the same sage

[willow oracle]

I'm a fresh grad and I have a chance to network with billionaires, but I feel stuck due to my English proficiency

[lone gulch]

hahaha you got the best way out mate hahahaha

[willow oracle]

if they don't fire me, I will work on improving my English

[lone gulch]

I've a meeting now, add me dude, we can dive into your "work pallet" and help each other, really really I'm on an very similar situation

I love technical and fundamental/macro analisys

[willow oracle]

🤝

Now English has become a matter of survival for me.

[ornate siren]

I wish you all luck.

[willow oracle]

Thanks.

[last canyon]

Yeah English is important a lot this days

[old surge]

Hello everyone

I'm happy to find a "serious chat" here

[last canyon]

Sometimes people need to have important conversation in my opinion as well

[ornate siren]

@lavish finch

[lavish finch]

Yes

[ornate siren]

Hello

[lavish finch]

Hi Nocturnal

[ornate siren]

Let's start a conversation.

Everything seems empty. What do you say?

[lavish finch]

Sorry not right now. ✨ I have some work I want to finish.

[ornate siren]

Well then. Please complete your work.

[tepid hound]

Hello there, I am an Asian and wanted to improve my English level properly. Should I rather choose American or British English?

[thorny steeple]

Any of them would do I guess
There's no big difference between them
Also American is more common
So I guess American

But again any of them would do

[karmic heath]

It's up to you.."in my opinion British accent is way more difficult than American accent"

[tepid hound]

Hmm I see, that is make sense. Thank you for the opinion. Which English do you personally use?

[molten holly]

Magma

[tepid hound]

Yeah I agree. Is there any more big differences between them beside the accent?

[thorny steeple]

american

[karmic heath]

the usages are little bit different eg (lolly - candy)but there's no problems

[tepid hound]

Cool, thank you!

[tiny sedge]

back

bro my brother

so annoying

doesent let me go to the pool

[thorny steeple]

I hope he won't throw me in tartarus after hearing my accent 🥲

[ornate siren]

The REAL English is British English.

[thorny steeple]

really ? **

HAHAHA I love your advice

[willow oracle]

How do people create voice channels ?

Which role do I need to have in order to create one ?

[thorny steeple]

Hello, simply click on - https://discord.com/channels/801609515391778826/1023525046804807751

The use the settings in #interface to adjust the settings to set up the room

[willow oracle]

[thorny steeple]

You asked for motivation!! 🤭

[thorny steeple]

Aaaah! Now I know how to not leave it with my own name lol

[vernal crypt]

It depends on your goals in the future.
I would suggest multiple teachers from various native speaking countries.

[trail depot]

Anyone living in Canada?

[thorny steeple]

What serious going on

[vernal crypt]

Not I
Why
What's happening there?

[trail depot]

I need to consult about something.

[vernal crypt]

Sure. Just post here and I would be happy to help

[trail depot]

I want to know if Toronto has a mail rental service for important documents.

[lavish finch]

I don't know what "real" English is. But in a sense, American English is older than British English.

"Is American English older than English?
In some ways, however, modern American English is older than modern British English. It's all down to an R. When the first English settlers arrived in America, they used rhotic speech where 'r' is pronounced in words, whereas in Britain, the soft 'r' of received pronunciation was being born."

So the Americans have preserved the English that used to be spoken in England.

[vernal crypt]

You mean like FedEx or DHL?

[trail depot]

No, temporary address rental.

For important documents.

[winter pawn]

Who looked serial Extra?

[vernal crypt]

Maybe you could look it up online

[trail depot]

I searched a lot on the internet and couldn't find the right information, so I want to consult someone living in Toronto.

[vernal crypt]

I see

https://www.intelligentoffice.ca/ontario/vaughan-the-deloitte-building/virtual-address

[vernal crypt]

Try this?

https://www.theupsstore.ca/10/services/mailboxes/

This for Toronto

[trail depot]

Thank you very much. I searched so much on Google but I couldn't find it, I guess because of location and language.

[trail depot]

I need a physical address, not a virtual one, but you already sent it in the next link.

And the 6-month price seems very affordable.

[vernal crypt]

You're welcome ☺️

[dawn juniper]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[thorny steeple]

Heyy @lavish finch I have a kind of silly questionn! In internet, we usually use flags to refear to an idiom, right! So which flag should we use to refear to english language? The USA flag or UK? Is this even an important thing? 🤔

[civic reef]

yeah it comes down to very deep nature of humans i think, we developed the civilization due to the cooperation, there is not any other species on this planet which is able to cooperate so well together, and yet, some of us are destroying this capability of essentially creating harmony, in a way

[full river]

I'm not sure what terms you're talking about. What I remember is, there were members who didnt want to listen to you and those who were interested. You cant make everyone listen to you, but you are the one to decide whether to talk or not.

[prisma cipher]

[lost totem]

Damnnn this chat is so serious

[royal stratus]

Has anyone watched Oppenheimer?

[royal stratus]

That’s the point.

[river stream]

yea

[west nest]

KV3P

[livid hawk]

I did and rly like it

[royal stratus]

Did you think that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was justified?

[livid hawk]

You have asked about it yesterday and I answered

[royal stratus]

Oh crap.

I’m sorry, I forgot.

[livid hawk]

No problem 😉

I think nothing can justify such a crime like this

[dire olive]

I haven't but I really want to

[dire olive]

It's not too important. Only difference is that UK English has some different phrases or words for things than American English. Personally, when I think of English, I think of the U.S flag

[ember musk]

real english has this flag: 🇬🇧

[thorny steeple]

Thanksss

[thorny steeple]

i like serious

[thorny steeple]

England = English 🤷‍♂️

[lone gulch]

Hello!!

[thorny steeple]

Hello

[lone gulch]

How you doing!?

You on that pic? 😬

[thorny steeple]

Hi

[open plover]

Preferably the USA flag

It is important for many reasons

[open plover]

Yes, I agree. The problem is that Sterling Pound is not as powerful as US Dollar

[thorny steeple]

I was asking this because I wanted to mark one of my channels as my content in English without use a huge word so I didn't know which one could be the best. 😹

[prime mirage]

this one honestly

[tough gull]

If anything, then definitely the English flag

[thorny steeple]

Perfect!!! Thank you guysss ✨✨🥰

[ornate siren]

Refer to, not "refear to"

[thorny steeple]

Ok boii are you good today? 🥰✨

[ornate siren]

I agree, it's a fairly bold assumption. Even so, as much as your comment is true, sir, you can consider the English branch of the West Germanic language family as somewhat polyphyletic (biological term - here signifying that English is descended from more than one common ancestor or ancestral language), and its evolution took place in chiefly England. You can see that I'm speaking in a historical context. You can think of British English as the old father, and American English his matured, ascetic son. Both mind their own business, but it doesn't change the fact that the the son was born of his father when he was different from what he is now and relatively young (hence the respect). Languages are ever changing, like different people. In this context, the first CHIEF English settlers (The Pilgrim Fathers) used Early Modern English, which has since become the monophyletic ancestor of both Modern American and British English. You can say, from a biological viewpoint, the two evolved and speciated allopatrically.

[ornate siren]

Never felt better. And you?

[vernal crypt]

I'm gonna use the Welsh flag

Hi Noc💙

[ornate siren]

Hello

[thorny steeple]

Very happiiii 🥰

[ornate siren]

Everyone

[vernal crypt]

Morning Angeline!

[ornate siren]

Hail Cymru

[thorny steeple]

Hello another dayyy ✨🥰

[vernal crypt]

I've had the same song on replay for ... 30 minutes.

[ornate siren]

Bohemian Rhapsody?

LOL

[vernal crypt]

Verbatim

It's a good song

[ornate siren]

Okay

[ornate siren]

Yeah, you wish.

[ornate siren]

Exactly, not the US flag.

[tough gull]

Obviously

[thorny steeple]

Heyy How are you?

It's life, right.

Everything is temporary. Even life itself.

[full loom]

So philosophical

[thorny steeple]

Will you be the next Tesla?

This too...

[crisp pewter]

i want to chat seriously too

what are we talking about?

I doth aspire to partake in these routine and solemn discussions.

With fervent heart and eager mind, I seek to join this gathering of weighty discourse.

allow me entrance to this realm of serious deliberation, where wisdom and knowledge floweth like a tranquil stream 'pon yon meadow.

[thorny steeple]

Fryday joined this chat just like The Cure song!!

It's Friday and I'm in love! 🥰✨

[crisp pewter]

[crisp pewter]

with eager heart and keen anticipation, I doth yearn to join this fellowship, wherein I shall find kinship and camaraderie.

i am happy to become part of this family then

[crisp pewter]

i get it

what is most important we should understand that this acceleration is going to be constant after sometime and also when to take break and slow down

[crisp pewter]

loss, u just need to learn the art of acceptance

[tawny hinge]

Is anyone into designing / drawing?

I'm making a game, it'll be small and very much probably free, although maybe we'll accept donations, idk, money isn't my priority rn

I want to make a game that's fun, but also focused on helping people to learn English / other langs

It won't be a game that helps people learn English and it's fun, it'll be a game that's fun, accessible and helps people to learned other languages

Maybe not the best place to seek for people that might be interested, but I don't lose anything

[crisp pewter]

read letters from a stoic by seneca

oki

[crisp pewter]

well i have many unfortunately

[thorny steeple]

my english is not enough here lol

[thorny steeple]

same

[shut junco]

Not enough for what?

[calm hedge]

don't worry. I'm begginer and I not understand all

[ember musk]

Pound Sterling is more valuable than US Dollar

[calm hedge]

is more valuable but for example in my country there aren't houses where I can change Pound Sterling

in the other hand, dollar is ... "mundial"

https://tenor.com/view/snowangel-sneeuwengel-gif-13335102

[ornate siren]

What the hell is pyroronism?

[lavish finch]

The first?

[ornate siren]

Who the hell is Pirun?

[lavish finch]

Do you mean Pyrrho of Elis?

[ornate siren]

I also suspect that

[lavish finch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhonism

[ornate siren]

And the school he's talking about, to be Pyrrhonism

[lavish finch]

"rejects dogma"

[ornate siren]

@lavish finch

[lavish finch]

(Sorry, leaving again. I'll come back to this...)

[ornate siren]

Okay

West

Nothing really comes to mind

Come to DMs

What is what? @thorny steeple

Okay then

[slim fjord]

[ornate siren]

Here thou, fair Aergia! Whom hours doth obey,
Dost sometimes spirit take, to stretch th' weary day.

[open plover]

But Pound Sterling is NOT used worldwide as US Dollar

[prisma cipher]

I disagree. It's original English. In my opinion British English is pointless.

English language is just a tool to communicate, it's not something special. Just an instrumen.

[open plover]

Absolutely. Let's consider, for example, the passport - US passport is more powerful than British

[thorny steeple]

for the serious chat

[ornate siren]

And how is it pointless?

[ornate siren]

You wish. I think you meant the "dollar" and not the US Dollar.

[lavish finch]

Here

[ornate siren]

And there

Hello

[lavish finch]

The reduction of dogmatic thinking is a worthy goal

[ornate siren]

A sporadic message?

[lavish finch]

I was returning to the invocation of Pyrrhonism

[ornate siren]

He cometh, and he goeth. Sirrah James Green, the transitory being.

[swift roost]

[lavish finch]

Is that your way of saying you want to hear more from me?

Hello Hamood

Remember this?

Did you see my reply?

#1029075039741562880 message

Doubt is useful but it can also be taken too far and turn into dogmatic skepticism.

[prisma cipher]

Because it useless.

[lavish finch]

What's your goal?

Pointlessness implies a goal

[thorny steeple]

This is how I feel when I'm here, a family that I didn't had.

[thorny steeple]

What do you need?

[thorny steeple]

Guess who's back!

[sharp zinc]

[ornate siren]

Of course I do. And I don't want you to ignore my messages addressed to YOU, also.

[ornate siren]

And how is it useless?

[thorny steeple]

hello

[thorny steeple]

He's the professor, imagine the amount of people pinging him? Maybe he's busy. 🤔

[prisma cipher]

American English wide spread British isn't. So it's pretty much useless.

Original doesn't mean better

Russian language in ussr sounds a bit different, and what? It just a language, it changed by time. Those two English language were separated and changed separately. I'm pretty sure original British back then doesn't sounds like modern one. So it pointless to learn this accent. Unless you just like how it sounds.

[ornate siren]

Both are still English, though. The pervasive American communication systems and Hollywood have contributed to the widespread distribution of American English.

[ornate siren]

I treat both equally.

[ornate siren]

Keeping that in mind.

[tough gull]

Not unless you want to sound classy and posh ; p

[ornate siren]

Patroclus to Branchus, the royal homosexual?

[tough gull]

[prisma cipher]

But you doesn't

[ornate siren]

*don't

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[tough gull]

I sound annoyingly posh for a non-British accent : p

[ornate siren]

Dat Oriental swag tho

[tough gull]

I'd rather fan myself in the meanwhile

[prisma cipher]

Cool

For me you sound just annoying ngl

[tough gull]

Hahaha touche

[prisma cipher]

[sharp zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSeuq6HAJnI

all going according to the old plan

[tough gull]

Let's vc sometime

[prisma cipher]

Not interested

[ornate siren]

Befriend the aliens, please.

[thorny steeple]

@sharp zinc what do you think of Annunakis?

[prisma cipher]

Last thing I want to hear is how someone try to speak right in English

[sharp zinc]

Unsurprisingly, the hearing generated huge interest in the US and around the world as it heard from three key witnesses, including David Grusch, a whistleblower former intelligence official who in June claimed the US has possession of “intact and partially intact” alien vehicles.

lol

[prisma cipher]

Like I said it just a tool to communicate

[sharp zinc]

From a Jewish or Christian theological point of view these are the Nephilims or what they call: the fallen ones!.. and it's Not true.

@thorny steeple"Zecharia Sitchin" is very debatable

[ornate siren]

Deities in Sumerian mythology.

[sharp zinc]

@thorny steeplehe was referring to: "Zecharia Sitchin

not at all.. actually thanks for ur input "Azathoth"

this CNN broadcast hearing is soooooo amusing!! "sarcastically"

There Are Over 200 Earth-like Planets Beyond Our Solar System: NASA. NASA says that among over 5,000 identified extraterrestrial planets, over 200 could be similar to Earth.

so, if that's so.. and we're that small ball hovering in space.. with that's above is "claimed" and only humans on earth and Angels in heavens and theologically "Judaism and Christianity" there is only these: "Nephilims or what's called: the fallen ones or fallen Angels" those who followed Lucifer "the Devil" then all is ok to have other planets hosting some kind of Alien races visiting us and later on "According to the Hidden Agenda" we're going to be invaded somehow " 😅 "

truth which is hard to be believed is Answered in another religion "Islam" where there is a 3rd Race called: "Jinn - جن" and among those there those who follow all kind of religions as us Humans.. but also.. some of them are just following the Devil and in his Army... those Oppressors, the Evil ones type who seeks destruction in our Human world.

so, it's very complicated to explain the whole thing in text.. at least for me with my poor English 🙂

but hold on... for me this is BS in total! lol

@thorny steepleI'm not confused at all about COSMOGONY!

so, to clear my point: all governments including USA knows about "Jinn" specially those evil ones and they have agreements with them.. because they can shape-shift into almost anything... including these what's called: UFOs

[prisma cipher]

And they all might be dead.

[sharp zinc]

its a myth... nothing died

pseudoscience

NASA = Pseudoscience

[prisma cipher]

It's philosophy. Philosophy is bulshit. Just my opinion

[sharp zinc]

same was my reply buddy.. with all due respect.. I wasn't criticizing u!

[prisma cipher]

Boring.

[white shard]

jesus I thought this channel was reserved for serious discussions, all I see is madness

[prisma cipher]

You

@thorny steeple if there is thousands planets like earth it doesn't mean anything, they can be all dead. When I mean dead I'm talking about no live microorganisms or something.

There will be chemical elements rock metals even wather

[sharp zinc]

@white shardaccording to the Jerusalem tradition in philosophy Jesus is a Mythos! 🙂

[white shard]

you're a crazy person to me so I don't care

[prisma cipher]

We have just one example of live. It might be super unique thing

[white shard]

I honestly think you should stop spending time on reddit, especially in the r/conspiracy community

[sharp zinc]

@white shardthere r the western tradition and the Jerusalem tradition in philosophy... I'm just saying.. maybe u're not following! 🙂 and thanks for ur input about my craziness!

[white shard]

look, I am not talking about philosophy here

my main concern is the outlandish claim that NASA is somehow engaged in pseudoscience

[sharp zinc]

oh then accept my apology then... Hail NASA for JOHN!

[prisma cipher]

Jesus might be real person. It doesn't mean he is supernatural or something, just human

[white shard]

okay, that just goes to show that people shouldn't take you seriously

is that the impression you were going for?

I don't understand what you're trying to say

the wording is not the most lucid

who's he?

[sharp zinc]

he's REAL... my friend... what I mentioned is something else

[white shard]

Either way, you do you, I guess

All right, that makes more sense

[prisma cipher]

Yea might be real like any people real who make new religion today

we have some written sources from those times. but there is no mention of the miracles of Jesus anywhere, why don't people who lived at that time don't write about the miracles of Jesus?

I don't mean Holly bible

[sharp zinc]

ok, I'm S.T.A.R.S™ and the religion I'm creating is : NASA is "mostly" a Hocus Pocus Agency. that's how easy u create a new religion!

[prisma cipher]

Like when a solar eclipse occurs. many people write about it

[sharp zinc]

to make people believe ur lies, u never that stupid not to mention some facts in them. but still... the conclusions is: Lies mostly!

[prisma cipher]

when the super nova exploded. people wrote about it a thousand years ago

But no one write about jesus

[ornate siren]

Hello

[sharp zinc]

1400+ years ago Quran the Muslims Holly book wrote about Jesus and his Miracles.

[ornate siren]

Is a religious discussion about here?

[sharp zinc]

True

[ornate siren]

I'm not that much of a religious person. So I'll just get.

[prisma cipher]

Same

[ornate siren]

Still I have knowledge of religion. But we'll just get

[sharp zinc]

I once mentioned this!

so, no need to be into religion once u scientifically researching it's authenticity!

[white shard]

Jesus is not considered a god, he is considered the savior of humanity. He said himself that he is the son of god

[sharp zinc]

@thorny steeplenot the best translation... but yes..

[fallen lily]

very nice i am a Muslim and i believe in this fr

[fallen lily]

yeb

[white shard]

you want a good atheist channel that would explain to you in detail those superstitions? Try AaronRa

Then why are you here participating in the discussion?

[prisma cipher]

Agree. Pointless thing. If you need believe you believe, if you don't feel that, you don't. Why should people try to prove something.

[sharp zinc]

ATHEISM is the result of confusion

[white shard]

so anything that is viewed through the rational lens is stupid for you?

[prisma cipher]

You can't scientifically prove that God doesn't exist.

[white shard]

neither can you prove that he does

[fallen lily]

thats not true who made the universe can you tell me ????

[prisma cipher]

And I don't want to

[vernal crypt]

That is where the concept of belief comes in play

[fallen lily]

so that you are saying anything

[prisma cipher]

If you don't understand something it doesn't mean there is God behind it.

[white shard]

I don't understand what you're trying to get from me

[prisma cipher]

We have some good theory. Like big bang theory

It not explosion actually

It just a name

[fallen lily]

big bang theory is not true

[prisma cipher]

We have some independent resources that say it is happened

[white shard]

well, the evidence supports it. However, recently I've heard that something new was discovered that in some way does not correlate with the theory, so it needs to be revised. That's the good thing about science and theories, they evolve to get us a better picture of the real world

[vernal crypt]

It's ok for you not to believe

[white shard]

it's not a static source like those religious texts

you cannot amend them, only change the interpretation

[fallen lily]

okay

[vernal crypt]

I like porridge 😂

[white shard]

what if that's gruel?

[sharp zinc]

a follow up to something I wanted to say:

Christianity, scientifically and according to the linguistic root of the word itself, is not a religion. Rather, it is a way of following this person called Christ. And who is Jesus, who is originally a Jew. Even he himself said in the Bible literally: Matthew 15:24 : I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. But what happened after that is that those who came more than a hundred years after him called themselves Christians because they hated to belong to the Jewish group that conspired with the Romans to kill Christ! So they separated themselves from them, and now we have what is called: Christianity!

and remember: Scientifically talking, not to mention historically as well! without emotional influence!

[prisma cipher]

I don't hear about something new, tho

[white shard]

1. there is no evidence that person actually ever existed
2. According to that definition it would make it a cult

I'd stick to religion

[vernal crypt]

Maybe I'll like it

[sharp zinc]

1- not true
2- would be considered true

[white shard]

All right, I am not a religious scholar by any means so I might be uninformed, so could you be of some assistance and post here some reliable historical records or any other significant evidence?

[vernal crypt]

Either way
I work with religious people, though I'm not religious.
I understand their concepts, in a sense they offer a sense of order and direction in life.
I don't have to agree nor will I argue.
Each to his own.
Live and let live.

[prisma cipher]

Yes

[white shard]

I think the argument should be held, because education is a very serious issue, and even though it is a minority of science-denying extremists that we must worry about, they're quite vocal

Denying evolution, claiming that physics is a hoax

flat eath conspiracy as well

[prisma cipher]

Hollow Earth

[white shard]

lizard people, population control, etc

[fallen lily]

guys lets change the subject who knows about the illuminati??

[prisma cipher]

Den brown

[sharp zinc]

my best enemy friends lol

[vernal crypt]

Funnily enough
In Italy part of the curriculum is evolution
Prehistory...
In my program, I always bring in a few fossils I dug with my dad , as a kid, and we talk about them.
It's fun

[fallen lily]

lol

[vernal crypt]

There will always be extremists, unfortunately

[prisma cipher]

There isn't easy way to prove earth not flat

[vernal crypt]

People seek religious fundamentalism when they are frightened or lonely
That's my experience.
But one can believe in God and science

The Catholic church believes

[sharp zinc]

swimming poooooooool time for me guys... those who feels hot.. please don't Envy me! 🥳

[vernal crypt]

Have fun

[white shard]

I don't know much physics, and know nothing about the quantum realm, so I cannot discuss it. If you disagree with it and want to discuss it, there is a discord server called Physics. You could engage in debates there. Also, if you are very smart, you could try to disprove the current theories

Why don't you do it?

[prisma cipher]

Bushit

[white shard]

If you don't know something, why don't you go and ask professionals?

[prisma cipher]

Bulshit

Wrong logic

[white shard]

you're asking how and why and if, but you don't do anything to reduce your ignorance

[prisma cipher]

It's bulshit

[white shard]

what do you mean by "new physics"?

[prisma cipher]

Black hole is still theory. Even though they make a pic of its shadow. And you try to prove something use black hole like and argument

Broken logic

[white shard]

You're the type of a person that doesn't trust anyone and is skeptic about everything, yet doesn't do anything about it

@thorny steeple Are you reading all of this? Could you reply?

[prisma cipher]

It's trace off lighting elements that fall on black hole

[white shard]

Why?

[prisma cipher]

They are lighting because of temperature

[white shard]

I can guarantee you that you could find scholars to discuss things with. Ramanujan did it

[prisma cipher]

We can't see black hole, it like see black cat in dark room

[white shard]

no, it's like trying to figure out if the window is made out of glass, but you cannot move

black holes are invisible essentially

the only thing visible is the light they bend

https://tenor.com/view/black-hole-gif-black-holes-space-universe-stars-gif-24154051

[prisma cipher]

Lol

Farting black hole

Yeah

[white shard]

I knew all of that except the ergosphere. I might know it with a different name, but I am not sure

[prisma cipher]

Round for sure. Whatever it is it round

[white shard]

by the way, it wouldn't be INSTANTLY sucked in, but nobody said that the gravity pull does not exist

[prisma cipher]

We don't have big mass objects that isn't round

[white shard]

really depends on the distance

[white shard]

asteroids?

[prisma cipher]

Piece of rock.

[white shard]

I am not asking what it is

[prisma cipher]

I'm talking about massive objects

[white shard]

I am telling you an example of high mass objects that aren't necessarily round

well "massive" is very ambiguous

compared to what?

[prisma cipher]

Just stop right here

[white shard]

I actually don't know how to express my weight in newtons

[prisma cipher]

You can google it. Any objects try to be round if it big enough

[white shard]

yes, sure

[prisma cipher]

Neutron planet super round

Because highg mass

[white shard]

does the scale translate your weight into mass?

I honestly don't remember anything about it

[prisma cipher]

@white shard there is a video on YouTube, what will happen if earth was square shape.

[white shard]

okay

I actually want to leave the discussion

I am not enjoying it

[junior depot]

w = m.g so thats your mass multiplied by gravity, u can always just use 10 since its rounded

[white shard]

what you're telling me is Newton's 2nd law, F=ma

I don't care, please leave me be

[junior depot]

ill let you be but its not the same

[white shard]

it is exactly the same

the gravity pull your body towards the center of the earth

and you create a force

you're basically pushing the ground

[junior depot]

so are we pushing or being pulled? you seem to have a misconception

[white shard]

oh my god I swear to god I will block you and this channel if you won't leave me alone

[white shard]

are you that dumb?

[junior depot]

then stop typing

[white shard]

I am sorry I just don't like when people say stupid shit

and bother me

[junior depot]

how do you calculate weight in newtons then

[white shard]

you just wrote it, I gave you the general formula and you're disagreeing with me

of course you're russian...

I don't like the 90% of russians online

even though you are much better than most, still you are behaving in a very peculiar manner

you know my criteria

you're not a jerk

because they're pseudointellectual children that will start insulting you and tell you that you have no arguments if you try to protect yourself

by far I had the most encounters with russians

I might've heard of lezgins before

but I know nothing about it

[lavish finch]

Who?

Hello

[white shard]

by the way, I am kind of curious, do you use dictionaries to write your sentences? You use some obscure vocabulary at times

[lavish finch]

(Sorry, I'm only here for 10 min, and then I'm leaving to teach)

Glad to see this channel has lit up today. Sad I've been unavailable to participate.

[white shard]

huh?

are you giving me an example of a word I'd deem obscure?

[thorny steeple]

Professor Yellow 💛

[lavish finch]

What did I miss?

Give me the "sitrep"

Situational report

[thorny steeple]

@ornate siren make a resume for us.

[white shard]

I understand everything, but the word you used "eclectic"

threw me off guard a bit

[lavish finch]

not quite.

[white shard]

I have dictionaries at my disposal if I ever was confused about a word

[lavish finch]

eclectic; ideas, style, or taste from a broad and diverse range of sources.

[white shard]

would you say that it is barely used?

[lavish finch]

No

[white shard]

really?

[thorny steeple]

Heyy! I'm good! Thanks for asking! And you?

[white shard]

Well, perhaps I don't hang around people who use it often

[lavish finch]

If you want a tool for investigating the frequency of words, you can learn how to use Google's Ngram viewr.

Here's a graph of the use of "eclectic" over the past 100 years.

Frequency of word use varies greatly depending upon context

So you need to really think about what you're asking

But it's a word that the average educated English speaker knows.

[white shard]

I don't think I could answer that, because don't use those words either.

those are obscure words that are only used in philosophical discussions as far as I know

but I think transcendental is a property of an object while transcendence is an event

I don't claim to be right though

that's just what I think I remember

[static pivot]

Eclectic

Welcome to a world of eclectic English learning. Chat with fellow members, share resources. Improve your skills through our English classes and active voice channels.

It's servers description.

[white shard]

where did you find that?

[tawny iris]

Hi

[static pivot]

We made this

[tawny iris]

Guys

I am new here

[static pivot]

With bowtie

[tawny iris]

How are you doing?

[white shard]

you make me feel inferior

[tawny iris]

Cool

[white shard]

not your fault, just my inecurities

Vivek and you

[tawny iris]

Hello

[subtle portal]

does anyone here go to university in the US?

[tawny iris]

What games are you playing here

[white shard]

ah, I wish I did

[lavish finch]

transcend; (verb) to go beyond the limits
transcendence (noun)
transcendental (adjective)

[white shard]

I was rather close in my head

No, I'll just feel worse that I can't give a definition

I told you I don't feel okay

[iron kindle]

“Sometimes you don’t realize the beauty of the moment until it becomes a memory”.

Do you agree with that? (IMO, It’s true)

[thorny steeple]

I wish I could answer me, but I only got close. 🥺

[white shard]

you don't understand the situation

I am not depressed at all

Nope

[iron kindle]

You are right

Thank you

Thanks for your opinion

I just wanted to hear another people’s opinions

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

[thorny steeple]

Definitely! Specially when we are young.

Did you do that art?

[iron kindle]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts

[thorny steeple]

Why everyone is so silent here.

[tame bay]

Sup yall

I am new here

[thorny steeple]

Hi!

[slim fjord]

Helo ☺️

[thorny steeple]

Hello ..

[slim fjord]

How you are

[thorny steeple]

I'm in good spirits... 😁 how about you @slim fjord?

[slim fjord]

I'm find thanks 😀

[thorny steeple]

@slim fjord what are you doing now?

[slim fjord]

Not do anything now ☺️chat only

What you do @thorny steeple

[thorny steeple]

In addition to chat.. I'm listening to some podcasts @slim fjord

[slim fjord]

Ohk welcome 😊

[thorny steeple]

Mmm are you also listening to podcasts ? 🤔 @slim fjord

[slim fjord]

No thaks 🙂

[thorny steeple]

Im sorry... I understood something else 😁

[slim fjord]

No sorry 😇

[hazy quail]

why everyone is silent here?

[slim fjord]

Serius chat 😊

[dire olive]

Hello

[ornate siren]

Hello

[dire olive]

Hru

[ornate siren]

Fine, and you?

[dire olive]

I'm good

[ornate siren]

This is not the place for casual introductions.

[dire olive]

Oh

I didn't know that

[slim fjord]

😊serius

[thorny steeple]

Everyday is a new day to start writing a new story in our lives. Everything that doesn't fits us anymore must leave and open space for the good things that wants to come and stay. Sometimes is hard to leave some stuffs behind but life itself helps us in it own ways. And then we woke up one day feeling like a completely new person and see the results of our own actions. 🤍

I wish the deeeeeepest peace in everyone's heart here. Nothing replaces that! 🤍✨

Life is built in choices.

Oh, and true love wins! 🥰✨

[tawny hinge]

Is the suggestion channel gone?

[teal grove]

everyone engineers her?

[ornate siren]

LMFAO

[lavish finch]

[turbid dirge]

what is the meaning of life 🤨

[lavish finch]

What is the meaning of your life?

[turbid dirge]

i dont quite know

maybe i need to find out

[lavish finch]

Are you curious?

[turbid dirge]

yeah

i'd say so

[thorny steeple]

The meaning of my life is to be happy in this little blue planet. As much as I can. 🥰✨

And when I'm not able, I must appreciate it too.

To love, live, grow and learn until I die.

And after I die, become a legend. 😤😹

#jk

[thorny steeple]

What's the meaning of your life?

[thorny steeple]

Maybe you need to choose!

[turbid dirge]

yeah

you're right

[thorny steeple]

Of course 💅🏻

😹

Either you want to find out life or to do life, life will still leave us.

That doesn't sound as deep as I thought.

Trying to find the meaning of life is unnecessary because if there was one then we would have known it from birth, but we don't because we are supposed to create our own unique reason to live.

[lavish finch]

hmm

[lavish finch]

Having conversations with you and others here.

[thorny steeple]

Be a legendary teacher in the English cyberspacesss ✨

That one everyone reminds!!! Haha

[thorny steeple]

But meanwhile......

[thorny steeple]

It's a deep thinking... I think we all have one, create too... It can be chosen or someone will do it for you.

[lavish finch]

Nil is right. We create our own meaning.

And we discover it as we discover ourselves.

Discover what matters to us.

[thorny steeple]

I agreeee

We discover, create, choooose

But I also think it's been given to us

But this is another topic.

[thorny steeple]

For some people, what matters is the next life. This life is merely a distraction. I guess in some way there's a meaning behind that too.

[lavish finch]

Is that true for you?

[thorny steeple]

I'm not entirely sure myself. That's what is expected of me.

[thorny steeple]

im muslim so i agree to this

i believe that life is only a test and the actual eternal life comes if u pass that test

[thorny steeple]

But if we keep thinking like this, there will always be a next, right.

[lavish finch]

That's what I call a "yes, but..."

[thorny steeple]

I think both now and next are important, just like present and future.

If we don't focus in the present we hardly build a good future. And if we only focus in the present without thinking in the future.... Same.

[thorny steeple]

In some beliefs, usually after the threshold of 'death', it's already too late. So all bets are in the now.

So yeah I guess your point still stands in a way.

In all the ways the only thing that exists is the present moment. 😹

When death is... We are not anymore.

[lavish finch]

I have a time-space-reality map. And it includes the past and future.

[thorny steeple]

The past is gone but I like to create my life like: be proud of what I did, do and will do. Even if it's not perfect, be it the best I can do.

It helps me to create good memories and experiences.

[lavish finch]

Hi Hamood. I've been messaging you but not getting any response.

"Hello there, Sir @James Green (United States) I would like to donate you $1000 if you have paypal or bitcoin wallet just let me know after this class this is as a gift for teaching the community english."

[thorny steeple]

That's a good strategy to live life devoid of pain.

[thorny steeple]

I don't think it makes me free of pain.
But I do believe I suffer way less.

Sometimes a certain level of delusion is necessary to keep going I guess.

[lavish finch]

What delusion is necessary?

[thorny steeple]

If you think this is delusion, to be drowned in sadness and the "harsh" reality wouldn't be some kind of delusion as well?!

Because the ultimate reality it is what it is... We are the ones attributing meaning for it... As the ones who chose the meanings of our lives as it has been told here earlier, right!

[thorny steeple]

Depends on your own source of truth. If you garner is from societal expectation, and you can't deliver, then deluding that you are just fine the way you are.

[thorny steeple]

This looks like scam. 👁️

[lavish finch]

Yes, it does

[thorny steeple]

What is your point?

Ya bro, that's cool, so go spend your money a lot or donate to charity and let us discover the meaning of our lives here.

[lavish finch]

What's with all these drop shipping scammers dropping in suddenly.

[thorny steeple]

I see. I didn't say that you're wrong. But if a person can attribute meanings as they want it, I believe it can lead to a destination that they wouldn't love to be in. I didn't know how to articulate it better.

I agree with this! To live in expectations is not to loive at all! Or make things just for the sake or earning something!!

[thorny steeple]

Don't worry, I got it. It's not a matter of being wrong or right, but understand our ideias!!

No, be mean a bit is ok 💅🏻😹 (jk)

We can't be naive or people will take advantage of you.

Be good but don't be fool.

[ornate siren]

Well, anything serious going on?

[teal grove]

hello everyone

any girls her

?

[thorny steeple]

Nocturnal beingggg

[lavish finch]

I could roleplay a girl if you wish.

[tough gull]

[lavish finch]

"Hi. My name is Sarah."

Does that help?

[thorny steeple]

HAHAHAHA MORRI

[teal grove]

i am not fool your pics is man

[tough gull]

Hello Sarah

[thorny steeple]

Sarah Green 🍏

[tough gull]

Why do u want a girl?

[thorny steeple]

Don't trust pictures, I am a man

[lavish finch]

Use your imagination.

[thorny steeple]

Dangerous, right. He might want to kidnap them for something bad.

[teal grove]

i not want a girl but i talk to girls

[thorny steeple]

Hello everyone!

[thorny steeple]

THIS IS TRUE ART

IN THE SERIOUS CHAT

Hahahaha

[thorny steeple]

I must admit, that is the most feminine girl I have seen in my life

[thorny steeple]

Why not boys?

[teal grove]

what you seen her

[tough gull]

Don't be a sexist. Talk to men as well

[thorny steeple]

I think it look like me, with the eyeliner and red lipstick 😍

[thorny steeple]

I can confirm that she's a girl.

Truly, by all nature of it

[teal grove]

you are very wrong mind person bro

[tough gull]

I literally come to discord to talk to guys.... Cuz i don't get to talk to guys much irl.... And i am a guy myself

[thorny steeple]

You're the Barbi mann

[teal grove]

hahahah very funny

[tough gull]

Yeah and i don't get to talk to other men....... My friend group has only one guy and that's me... Rest all are girls

[thorny steeple]

Why should that be a problem?

[teal grove]

hey its ok just a joke bro

[thorny steeple]

You're probably fun to talk with thennn

[tough gull]

I want to talk to other guys as well.......

[thorny steeple]

Well, you could easily strike up a conversation with a boy then

[tough gull]

I annoy the hell out of them... But they still pamper me a lot

[thorny steeple]

😹

[tough gull]

I wish but they only do casual talk. They don't become my friend.

[teal grove]

don't cry bro its ok i am just a joke not serious

[thorny steeple]

Most of my friends are male, but I have girls as friends as well. I love them all 🥰

[slim fjord]

You are just a joke

[thorny steeple]

See you're here just to make men cry.

[slim fjord]

[teal grove]

yes

[lavish finch]

I love crying.

[teal grove]

why you love crying?

[tough gull]

My grandmother says that crying is necessary. It lightens your heart and maybe even fill the wounds

[thorny steeple]

She's right!!

[thorny steeple]

In that scenario, you should find people (boys or girls, whichever you prefer), with whom you find easy to bond, and eventually you will have both fe/and-male friends

[lavish finch]

Ask not why I love to cry
I cry for thee

[slim fjord]

True true

[thorny steeple]

When I have a husband I'll make him cry. 😭

[tough gull]

She's a typical Indian grandmother but she is so against the stereotype that boys don't cry

[tough gull]

Awwww don't go harsh on them please

[thorny steeple]

I am against it too!! I think our emotions are our friends.

[brazen crypt]

There are many things in the world that are present but we don't know them

According to some people,
Responsibility gives life meaning.

I am not into philosophy currently
Just sharing what I know

[thorny steeple]

Crying biologically means getting rid of the excess of endorphins. But I believe that one should acquire the skill of being able to control oneself so as not to cry in certain situations

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

That's the whole point

[tough gull]

Biology doesn't govern human emotions. They simply run wild and know no limits

[teal grove]

ok guys i am going

[thorny steeple]

Whyy

[thorny steeple]

They actually do 😀 Everything we feel (emotionally) is merely the release of specific hormones

[lavish finch]

I don't actually know why we cry.

[tough gull]

Biology is merely an explanation duh

[thorny steeple]

Are you a bot?

English Bot

[lavish finch]

GreenGPT

[tough gull]

Whatever goes on follows only mother Nature's rules

[thorny steeple]

Crying is a response to various stimuli

[thorny steeple]

[teal grove]

that is work time brake time is off

[thorny steeple]

[thorny steeple]

It's a self-soothing action to release oxytocin and reduce the amount of endorphins

[thorny steeple]

That's a very abstract subject

I cry when I am sad or happii

Or when I listen a beautiful song

[tough gull]

Do you know about exceptions in chemistry?

[lavish finch]

That sounds like only part of the story. Why do we release water from our eyes to regulate our brain. There's more going on.

[thorny steeple]

Or very angry

Mother nature isn't a scientific explanation as to why does sth (not) happens

[thorny steeple]

Ok good work broo 🤙🏻

[thorny steeple]

What more are you talking about? The water 'carries' the excess out

[thorny steeple]

Of course is to fake rain

[thorny steeple]

Please do enlighten me

[thorny steeple]

Not sure what you're talking about

[lavish finch]

The body creates many waste products, but they are usually not released through the eyes.

[thorny steeple]

Ignore it's "Angellinice" 😹

[thorny steeple]

Perhaps the glands of eyes are nearest to the brain, which produces most of the hormones (or, at least, controls the release of them)

But I that's speculation, I should probably check if it's actually true

[lavish finch]

I cry when I think of my dad.

I miss him.

[thorny steeple]

I'm sorry for your loss then

I hope that one day the memories of your father brings only positive emotion

[lavish finch]

I know what you mean. But I don't consider sadness or crying to be negative.

[thorny steeple]

I agree with you

[lavish finch]

I want to be open to the full range of feelings.

[thorny steeple]

Me too.

Well, in that case, I hope you are or will be

But I hate when I'm angry.

It feels like is not me.

[lavish finch]

I consider openness to feelings a revolutionary act. It upsets the social order.

[thorny steeple]

Definitely.

[lavish finch]

People are more difficult to control when they know how they feel.

[thorny steeple]

Elaborate more.

[thorny steeple]

That I agree with

[lavish finch]

When people submit to being controlled, what I call compliance, it comes from dropping themselves and what matters to them. They give up on themselves in an attempt to survive.

But it causes more problems than it solves.

[thorny steeple]

The social order declares rather not to act on one's emotions, not to be untrue to your genuine feelings

[lavish finch]

Social order is made by everyone staying in their place. Doing what they are "supposed" to do.

[tender cobalt]

hello eve

[thorny steeple]

When a whole nation of people define themselves as revolutionary to oppression, that may have some chances of change, yet in most cases very few people rise against it, which is utterly ineffective

[lavish finch]

When you close the door on reality it has a tendency to come in through the windows.

[thorny steeple]

Single people won't change it, for it has been established over a very long period of time. Sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better, but it surely is great to have order in lieu of chaos

[thorny steeple]

Please explain what you mean by that

[lavish finch]

Order and chaos are both always present to varying degrees. They are two ends of a spectrum. The more you increase one, the more inevitable it is that you'll swing to the other extreme.

[lavish finch]

I mean that if a car is about to run you over, it doesn't save you to close your eyes. Ignoring reality does not make it go away.

[thorny steeple]

would you kindly give examples of that? Mere thoughts are not to be taken as an actuality

[lavish finch]

That's true. Thoughts are a kind of secondary reality. One step removed.

[thorny steeple]

would the person sitting behind the wheel swerve if they realised what they were doing? In most cases, probably not

[lavish finch]

But it's also possible to have true thoughts.

[full river]

A lot going on here..

[lavish finch]

Welcome, Nargiz

[full river]

I'll catch up with the messages later 😶

Hi James and everyone

[thorny steeple]

one must make a great change and have great motivations to do so as to actually render the development of something so large as a community

[lavish finch]

The relationship between reality and "truth" is a bit complicated. But for our purposes, what I'm saying is just common sense.

[thorny steeple]

hello!

[thorny steeple]

naturally, but does your mind correlate to the world? In other words, does it make reality shift to something else?

[lavish finch]

I use my mind to create maps of the world.

And it's also part of reality and I'm able to impact reality.

[thorny steeple]

well, once again - what is common sense? It is very subjective and, while some people do agree on primary 'common sense' things, there are subjects to be disputed about for a long time, because the so-called 'common' sense isn't so common after all

[thorny steeple]

it is. But do the most remote of thoughts ever reach the part which we call reality? Like, if I dream of travelling at a speed which is greater than light's, will I ever do that?

[lavish finch]

No

You won't travel at speeds greater than the speed of light because as you approach the speed of light your mass inscreases and you will slow down.

But you can imagine it.

Because it's possible to have untrue thoughts.

[thorny steeple]

exactly, accordingly to the laws of current physics, which is, as one would expect, changeable

[ivory vessel]

Hello

[lavish finch]

Laws are not changeable. Your understanding of what the laws are is changeable.

[thorny steeple]

of course, but how do those thoughts impact your reality. I (personally) deem them to be futile

[thorny steeple]

physics is changeable

the universe was thought to be ultimate before Einstein

[lavish finch]

You're describing the change in our understanding.

That's our understanding changing. Not physics changing.

[thorny steeple]

oh, well, yes

I was talking in the theoretical sense, sorry

didn't get what you mean at first

[lavish finch]

We had a map. It was our best map. Then we changed our map when we discovered that it didn't match the territory.

[thorny steeple]

yes

[lavish finch]

Both our old map and our newer map would of course impact us because we use maps to interact with reality.

[thorny steeple]

I do agree with that

[lavish finch]

And we can test reality to create better maps.

[thorny steeple]

that is true

what are you getting at then?

[lavish finch]

I'm answering your questions.

[ornate siren]

And we can hypothesize on the structure of the terrain.

[thorny steeple]

how is testing related to thoughts which cannot be brought to the day of light?

unless you're talking about ideas

[lavish finch]

What thoughts cannot be brought to the light of day?

[thorny steeple]

such which are impossible to be proven true

[lavish finch]

For example?

[thorny steeple]

all of theoretic physics

[lavish finch]

3+1=5 is a thought that cannot be proven to be true, and I've brought it to the light of day.

[ornate siren]

Man.

[thorny steeple]

by that I mean that this thought would somehow alter reality

[ornate siren]

He means the proofs of such thoughts, I think.

[lavish finch]

Now I'm not sure I know what you mean by reality.

[thorny steeple]

should 3+1=5 be proven true, it would change our understanding of mathematics, wouldn't it?

[lavish finch]

We are altering reality all the time.

[lavish finch]

yes

[thorny steeple]

yet it cannot be proven true, so it doesn't change our understanding, right?

scratch that, it can be proven true

everything is possible, after all

[lavish finch]

I don't agree

[thorny steeple]

why not?

[lavish finch]

How is everything possible?

[thorny steeple]

we do live in a universe of chances

[lavish finch]

How is it possible for 3+1=5?

[thorny steeple]

there's a chance, albeit very, very, madly minute, that I will turn into a pig today

[ornate siren]

Acceptable.

[thorny steeple]

this chance is too small to be taken as something worth thinking about, yet it still exists

[thorny steeple]

I don't know, but it is

I'm, unfortunately, not a mathematician

but I did hear of some mathematician who has gone crazy after proving (to himself or to the world, not really much of a matter) that 1 equals 0

[lavish finch]

You know, but you don't know.

Maybe you just want it to be true.

[thorny steeple]

can you prove Einstein's theory of relativity?

probably not. But is it still appliable? yes

[lavish finch]

relevance?

[thorny steeple]

oh, sorry

[thorny steeple]

I was talking about this

I'm not sophisticated enough to be able to prove such things

and I'm talking about chances here

[lavish finch]

You have a hypothesis that anything is possible.

[thorny steeple]

I do not know how we went from discussing crying to talking about chances, but I surely can say not to take my word for a penny (I made this expression up), as talking about such things requires quite the knowledge and skills not to interpret the conversation incorrectly

the knowledge which I, alas, do not really have, for I'm only rephrasing what I can remember from read studies and heard talks

[thorny steeple]

that is probably correct

[lavish finch]

Let's separate out the fact that you have a hypothesis from whether or not your hypothesis is correct.

So far, the only reason you've given for the truth of your hypothesis is that someone said it was true.

[thorny steeple]

not entirely correct

[lavish finch]

correct me

[thorny steeple]

as I said, I should probably do more research on this to continue talking

[thorny steeple]

I also read it somewhere;Dd

[lavish finch]

You read it.

Are you done correcting me? Or is there any other reason you can think of to support your hypothesis?

That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

[ornate siren]

And also, we should remember that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

[thorny steeple]

Oh, please, I was joking

And introducing a theory that everything is possible

Let's try the reverse method of proofing - proving that it is not true

[lavish finch]

Sure.
Here's another hypthesis.
Nothing is possible.

[thorny steeple]

Could you prove to me that anything can't happen?

[lavish finch]

The onus of proof is with the one making a claim.

[thorny steeple]

That can easily be proven wrong

I say it's impossible for me to jump

I just did

Shouldn't that mean your theory is incorrect?

[lavish finch]

By that reasoning, your hypothesis that anything could happen is false if there is one thing I name which has not happened.

[thorny steeple]

Well, sadly then, I cannot prove it to you. Most I can do is carry out a research and then present it to you

[thorny steeple]

Is stating a fact and could stating a chance - the difference between our hypotheses

[lavish finch]

Possibly

[thorny steeple]

Was that a statement?

[lavish finch]

Yes

[thorny steeple]

Also, isn't everything we're talking about heard or read from someone? Unless you're a mathematician skilled in this specific field, then I am apologizing for my impudence and bowing my head to you

And, as I understood/half interpreted, you base your side solely on your opinion

[lavish finch]

That's an interesting question. My answer is no. We have the ability to create knowledge and there is also innate knowledge.

It's both my opinion that 2+2=4 and also a fact that 2+2=4.

[junior dune]

But why 9+10=21 then?

[thorny steeple]

For now, sure. I'm saying it's possible to prove that 2+2=5

[lavish finch]

We can agree to disagree then.

[thorny steeple]

What innate knowledge are you referring to?

[lavish finch]

Language is an example of innate knowledge.